Brandon Lemay of Rights & Democracy Project | Matt Connarton Unleashed

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0:34 Speaker 2: Brandon Lemaye is here. Hi, Brandon Hobby, so welcome, and

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1:11 Speaker 2: the chat room. But Brandon, so your first time on

1:15 Speaker 2: the show. Jenny and I of course have known you

1:17 Speaker 2: for for a bit now, at least a couple of years, right,

1:21 Speaker 2: especially you know, Jenny of course knows you better than

1:23 Speaker 2: I do. But it's been how how long has it been?

1:26 Speaker 2: It's been at least a few years, right.

1:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it definitely has been, Yeah, because I

1:32 Speaker 1: met Jen through my work as an organizer for rights

1:35 Speaker 1: and democracy, Okay, yeah, and you know it feels like

1:40 Speaker 1: I've known Jen for a while, but also not that

1:42 Speaker 1: long either.

1:43 Speaker 3: You know.

1:43 Speaker 1: Yeah.

1:44 Speaker 2: Yeah. So so Brandon, who are you and what do

1:48 Speaker 2: you do? Let's let's uh give the give our our

1:51 Speaker 2: listeners and viewers some background on you.

1:53 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So you know, I was born and raised

1:56 Speaker 1: here in Manchester, New Hampshire. You know, I am a

2:00 Speaker 1: product of the public school system here. I went to

2:03 Speaker 1: Plymouth State University, where I studied political science and minored

2:07 Speaker 1: in French. And that's about that time that I got

2:10 Speaker 1: involved in politics because at the time, this is around

2:15 Speaker 1: like twenty ten actually sorry, twenty twelve now at this

2:17 Speaker 1: point twenty eleven, and there was a huge effort to

2:23 Speaker 1: defund the university system, and I don't know if either

2:26 Speaker 1: of you are aware of this, but New Hampshire College

2:29 Speaker 1: students graduate with some of the most debt at public

2:32 Speaker 1: universities in the country.

2:34 Speaker 2: I didn't know that, but it doesn't it doesn't actually

2:37 Speaker 2: surprise me either.

2:38 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we are like routinely like forty eight, forty nine,

2:42 Speaker 1: fiftieth in terms of like average student debt. And a

2:46 Speaker 1: lot of that is because we just don't fund public

2:48 Speaker 1: institutions in the state like we do in a lot

2:51 Speaker 1: of our surrounding states as well. So, you know, I was,

2:54 Speaker 1: I was political before that. I grew up in a

2:56 Speaker 1: union household. You know, my first direct action was standing

2:59 Speaker 1: at a picket line and when I was four years old,

3:03 Speaker 1: and actually Bernie Sanders was huge in helping to end

3:05 Speaker 1: that strike at the time. So my dad was part

3:09 Speaker 1: of the ib W twenty three twenty. They had a

3:12 Speaker 1: bunch of members in named Hampshire Vermont and so like,

3:15 Speaker 1: that's what I really learned about the value of leveraging,

3:19 Speaker 1: you know, the power that elected officials have. And in

3:22 Speaker 1: that case, you know, Bernie Sanders was using his soft

3:25 Speaker 1: power as as a senator. Actually I think he's being

3:29 Speaker 1: centered at that time, but anyway. But anyway, as as

3:32 Speaker 1: a public elected official, you know, Bernie Sanders was able

3:35 Speaker 1: to you know, use his leverage because the unions had

3:38 Speaker 1: backed Bernie and now it was time for Bernie's to

3:40 Speaker 1: back the union, and you know, he was able to

3:43 Speaker 1: help put pressure and to have management and sign the

3:46 Speaker 1: contract that you know led me and my family to

3:49 Speaker 1: have all the things that we need in life. So,

3:52 Speaker 1: you know, I learned some early political lessons, you know,

3:55 Speaker 1: as a kid, but again became really charged in college

4:00 Speaker 1: because then, you know, my own well being was at

4:02 Speaker 1: stake here because you know, I was working thirty hours

4:05 Speaker 1: a week. We're gonna at the grocery store, and I

4:07 Speaker 1: still graduated with tens of thousands of dollars in debt,

4:11 Speaker 1: and it was clear to me that we needed to

4:13 Speaker 1: invest more in our university systems, not less. So you know,

4:17 Speaker 1: it became involved, you know, with the College Democrats at

4:20 Speaker 1: the time, I became an organizer. I'm the Manhasion Democratic

4:24 Speaker 1: coordinated campaign. And then I would say more recently in

4:28 Speaker 1: my career, I've gone more towards like the nonpartisan issue

4:31 Speaker 1: advocacy groups, and I kind of good that work a

4:34 Speaker 1: lot more fulfilling.

4:36 Speaker 2: So where are you now in terms of what you're

4:38 Speaker 2: doing and your your activism, your advocacy and groups that

4:42 Speaker 2: you're involved in, and and and the causes that you're

4:45 Speaker 2: involved in that matter the most to you, and that

4:49 Speaker 2: and that you feel are the most pressing.

4:51 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, like in my time as an organizer, writes

4:55 Speaker 1: in Democracy, I originally had started in housing issues. You know,

4:59 Speaker 1: I was actual knocking doors not too far you know,

5:02 Speaker 1: from your neighborhood actually, because there were out of state

5:05 Speaker 1: landlords coming in buying up you know, these multi family

5:09 Speaker 1: homes from you know these previously, you know, you'd have

5:11 Speaker 1: like a mom path you know on the first floor,

5:13 Speaker 1: rent out, you know, second third floor. Now they start

5:16 Speaker 1: to retire and they want to cash in on their investment.

5:20 Speaker 1: So there was this guy who was basically coming in

5:24 Speaker 1: with all this money that was financed in New York City.

5:27 Speaker 1: They were looking at places where they the landlord said this,

5:32 Speaker 1: by the way, quote unquote, where landlords are undercharging their

5:35 Speaker 1: tenants for rent because a mom pod landlord, they usually

5:38 Speaker 1: just want to charge, you know, to pay for the mortgage,

5:40 Speaker 1: the property taxes, and you know, whatever repairs and stuff

5:44 Speaker 1: are needed over the life of a building. But it

5:47 Speaker 1: was obvious to me and some of our leaders that

5:51 Speaker 1: like we needed to talk to these tenants to be

5:54 Speaker 1: able to talk to each other and to either resist

5:58 Speaker 1: these rent hikes a lot of these people. We're also

6:00 Speaker 1: facing renovation evictions in the Hampshire. If the landlord wants

6:04 Speaker 1: to renovate, they can just say get out in thirty days,

6:08 Speaker 1: and there's no legal definition of what our renovation is.

6:12 Speaker 1: So like we've seen times where like a landlord like

6:15 Speaker 1: literally just repainted and that was considered we called a renoviction.

6:21 Speaker 1: And so seeing a lot of these injustices, you know,

6:24 Speaker 1: has really kind of just even charged me even more.

6:27 Speaker 1: And the housing crisis has not gotten any better in

6:30 Speaker 1: that time. But also, you know, in my time at

6:33 Speaker 1: Writes and Democracy, now you know, I've opened up a

6:36 Speaker 1: little bit more into issue areas, particularly working with Gen

6:39 Speaker 1: on like healthcare and how terrible this system is. And

6:44 Speaker 1: before meeting Gen, I knew that our healthcare system was terrible. Yeah,

6:48 Speaker 1: and you know, after knowing Gen, I can specifically articulate

6:52 Speaker 1: why in in depth, and so you know, like like

6:58 Speaker 1: issues that are really important to me and important to

7:00 Speaker 1: the organization I work for. Rights in Democracy is really

7:03 Speaker 1: giving access to things that you need to survive, Like

7:07 Speaker 1: you can't just get by with less housing to a

7:10 Speaker 1: certain extent, right, Like, sure you can downsize your home,

7:13 Speaker 1: but once you're a renter, I mean, your choices are

7:15 Speaker 1: pretty slim and you're either, you know, faced with either

7:19 Speaker 1: paying more money in rent or you go homeless. I

7:22 Speaker 1: also got to see the same similarity with healthcare, Like

7:25 Speaker 1: you can't go with less health care. You can't, you know,

7:28 Speaker 1: go with less blood pressure medication. You can't you know,

7:31 Speaker 1: just have a good quality of life. And then you know,

7:33 Speaker 1: go so long between like confusions that you might need.

7:39 Speaker 1: So I see the profit incentive really ruining the lives

7:42 Speaker 1: of working class people. And now particularly kind of talking

7:46 Speaker 1: more like today at Rights in Democracy, we put on

7:50 Speaker 1: a summer training series. We're gonna be doing the same

7:52 Speaker 1: series again this fall, and really the point is is

7:56 Speaker 1: that we want to help people to identify the problem,

7:59 Speaker 1: to be able to use the same language to identify

8:02 Speaker 1: the problem, and then to be able to talk about

8:04 Speaker 1: the solutions. One thing that I've kind of noticed in

8:08 Speaker 1: my lifetime, and I'm not the first person to make

8:09 Speaker 1: this observation, is that it feels like the right wing

8:14 Speaker 1: is really good at messaging. I was just listening to

8:18 Speaker 1: a podcast about Bill Clinton. It's called the Dolla. I

8:21 Speaker 1: absolutely love it, and I forget what the actual thing was,

8:24 Speaker 1: but like Bill Clinton said something silly, all right, and

8:27 Speaker 1: Rush Limbaugh had bumper stickers of that printed out like

8:30 Speaker 1: the next day, like yeah, this is like pre internet here,

8:35 Speaker 1: So like, you know, and I see this too a

8:36 Speaker 1: lot on social media. I'll hear it when I go

8:39 Speaker 1: to the Borderman and Alderman and I hear public testimony.

8:42 Speaker 1: Conservatives are on point with their messaging. Yes, like one

8:45 Speaker 1: of their leaders says something and they are saying the

8:48 Speaker 1: same thing over and over again, now heavily with what

8:51 Speaker 1: they're saying. I'm a little jealous of that, of how

8:56 Speaker 1: well they stay on message. I think sometimes problem with

9:00 Speaker 1: like the left is that we're a bit more I

9:03 Speaker 1: think diversified. We have different reasons, you know, like why

9:06 Speaker 1: we're involved with this. We have our own unique perspectives.

9:08 Speaker 1: We cherish unique perspectives, but it doesn't quite always lead

9:13 Speaker 1: to good messaging or using terms that people don't quite understand.

9:19 Speaker 1: So really like a huge point of this is kind

9:21 Speaker 1: of just getting our messaging, you know, And like the

9:23 Speaker 1: messaging of like our leaders, our members on point and

9:27 Speaker 1: then we are launching conversation pods with people who attend

9:31 Speaker 1: the training. So what we want to do in this

9:33 Speaker 1: is to create a space for like minded people to

9:37 Speaker 1: be able to talk about, you know, the difficult conversations

9:40 Speaker 1: they're trying to have with their family members, with their neighbors,

9:43 Speaker 1: with their community members, and kind of like work through,

9:46 Speaker 1: like some of the problems that people are having and communicating.

9:50 Speaker 1: A huge point of our summer training series is just

9:52 Speaker 1: how to talk to somebody who might disagree with you politically.

9:56 Speaker 1: And I can give you a little bit of an

9:57 Speaker 1: example of kind of what we focused on you like here.

10:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, and before you do that, I mean just interject,

10:04 Speaker 2: I do want to say that, you know, and and

10:06 Speaker 2: we we talk about this on uh also do you

10:10 Speaker 2: know the Hanging Left podcast with Todd Air and and

10:13 Speaker 2: I kind of went on a rant on one of

10:15 Speaker 2: our shows on there, and I've probably I'm sure I've

10:17 Speaker 2: said it at some point on here too, that you know,

10:20 Speaker 2: one of the things that frustrates me so much as

10:22 Speaker 2: a registered Democrat about the Democratic Party is I I think,

10:25 Speaker 2: I think, I mean, I I'll even go I'll speak

10:28 Speaker 2: a little further and stronger on it. I my personal

10:31 Speaker 2: opinion is that Democrats are generally horrendous at messaging, absolutely

10:39 Speaker 2: horrendous that, you know.

10:40 Speaker 1: Uh.

10:41 Speaker 3: And and on the shooting their own what's that, they're

10:45 Speaker 3: really good at shooting their own. They're really good. Can

10:50 Speaker 3: you hear me?

10:51 Speaker 2: Okay, it's it's a little choppy say that again, They're

10:54 Speaker 2: really good at what.

10:55 Speaker 4: They're really good at shooting their own, especially here in

10:59 Speaker 4: New Hampshire. You know, prime example being this is primary seasons,

11:04 Speaker 4: people starting to run for different offices, but the party

11:07 Speaker 4: is already trying to pick their favorites and tell people

11:10 Speaker 4: not to run, which is absolutely wrong. The party back

11:15 Speaker 4: the candidate after the primary, but when it comes to

11:18 Speaker 4: the primary, they shouldn't be stepping in. They shouldn't be

11:22 Speaker 4: telling anybody whether they should run or not. The people

11:26 Speaker 4: make that decision when they go in and vote at

11:28 Speaker 4: the primary.

11:29 Speaker 2: Yeah. I just though I think there's a broader just

11:32 Speaker 2: problem with Democrats having so much difficulty communicating. And I

11:37 Speaker 2: always like to give this example. You know, on the

11:40 Speaker 2: rare occasion that a Democrat comes along who actually doesn't

11:42 Speaker 2: know how to communicate, well, they wind up serving two

11:45 Speaker 2: terms as president. You know, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, you

11:49 Speaker 2: know Democrats who actually understood how to talk to people

11:53 Speaker 2: about the issues that matter to them. But I feel

11:55 Speaker 2: like that's such a rare thing.

11:58 Speaker 1: Yeah. And also to I was just talking about this

12:00 Speaker 1: with one of our leaders at RANS and Democracy Today,

12:06 Speaker 1: is that I take Trump as an example. The party

12:10 Speaker 1: establishment didn't really like Trump, especially like twenty fifteen around

12:14 Speaker 1: the era, Trump is really really popular with the Republican base,

12:19 Speaker 1: and once the party realized that, like, oh Trump is

12:21 Speaker 1: going to be the nominee very likely, and he's really

12:24 Speaker 1: popular with our base, then they acquiesced to him. And then,

12:28 Speaker 1: as use the example of Bernie Sanders on the side

12:31 Speaker 1: of the Democrats, and what did they do. You know,

12:35 Speaker 1: they saw Bernie was especially in twenty twenty, they saw

12:37 Speaker 1: Bernie gaining momentum, and then what happens. You know, Pete

12:41 Speaker 1: Boutage Edge drops out, endorses Biden. You know, all the

12:44 Speaker 1: others drop out, endorse Biden. Biden gets enough to win

12:48 Speaker 1: the primary, and you know, here we are today and

12:50 Speaker 1: now we have a second Trump term. Obviously Biden won

12:53 Speaker 1: that race, but what good did that do to only

12:55 Speaker 1: have the white House for four years. So I really

12:58 Speaker 1: see that, like the Republican nurture their base, and it

13:02 Speaker 1: seems like Democrats fight their base quite a bit.

13:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, that goes to what that goes to the point

13:07 Speaker 2: Jenny was making about shooting their own.

13:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, now you're right, literally, the Conservatives are better

13:13 Speaker 1: at shooting each other.

13:16 Speaker 2: Well, that's uh, obviously obviously obviously, Brandon, because we don't

13:22 Speaker 2: want to get canceled. Obviously you're referring to former Vice

13:26 Speaker 2: President Dick Cheney, uh shooting his lawyers.

13:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. And also the two.

13:32 Speaker 3: Guys that was a funny one, you.

13:34 Speaker 1: Know, also conservatives. Also the guy actually, you know what,

13:38 Speaker 1: I want to say this. I don't know if you

13:39 Speaker 1: also saw, but some guy was arrested for threatening Kelly

13:43 Speaker 1: a I our governor here, and I saw the committee

13:46 Speaker 1: to elect House Republicans try to claim this guy as

13:48 Speaker 1: a leftist. Now, I'm not going to try to claim

13:50 Speaker 1: this guy was a conservative. A lot of these people

13:54 Speaker 1: are often they have incomprehensible politics.

13:58 Speaker 2: That's true.

13:59 Speaker 1: But he was also mentioning like how he wanted to like,

14:02 Speaker 1: you know, fight the like Jewish controlled FEDS. Doesn't really

14:07 Speaker 1: quite sound like a leftist to me. But again, like

14:11 Speaker 1: the right is really violent, and I find it really

14:14 Speaker 1: hilarious how they try to pinnle a lot of this

14:15 Speaker 1: violence on the left, even though most domestic terrorism in

14:19 Speaker 1: the past fifty years, like I'm talking, like like for

14:22 Speaker 1: every one incident of leftist terrorism in that time, there

14:25 Speaker 1: have been three instances of right wing terrorism.

14:28 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I hear, I hear what you're saying.

14:32 Speaker 4: But I'm going to interject into saying that I would

14:35 Speaker 4: like to see us get away from all of that

14:38 Speaker 4: because in every instance where a murder has taken place,

14:42 Speaker 4: where somebody has done harmed to somebody else, there's something

14:46 Speaker 4: wrong with that individual, not right, not left. There's something

14:51 Speaker 4: mentally ill wrong with them, or something wrong that enables

14:56 Speaker 4: them the ability to take another human life. And that's

15:00 Speaker 4: what we should be talking about as a society, not

15:03 Speaker 4: the it's a left person, it's a right person. It's

15:06 Speaker 4: a grant we all can see there, you know. But

15:09 Speaker 4: when you get down to the the the crux of it,

15:13 Speaker 4: these people have an illness about them that something about

15:17 Speaker 4: them in their brain told them that murdering somebody was okay, right, yeah,

15:22 Speaker 4: So for me, so I wish that was more the conversation.

15:26 Speaker 4: And hey, guess what, we don't do good in mental

15:29 Speaker 4: health care at all. You know, we could talk about that, right,

15:34 Speaker 4: It's how many of these people who fell out of

15:37 Speaker 4: the system or were missed by the system, who were

15:41 Speaker 4: exhibiting signs beforehand, and people missed it, right, just like

15:46 Speaker 4: we do when somebody takes their own life. We miss

15:51 Speaker 4: those signs as a as a society. But we're in

15:55 Speaker 4: this point now. It's really scary because there's so much

15:59 Speaker 4: hate and vitrioll out there that it is giving people

16:04 Speaker 4: almost a permission to be harmful to one another. Right,

16:08 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, and that's terrifying in and of itself.

16:12 Speaker 3: Sorry.

16:13 Speaker 1: I also think too that we just have a deeply

16:14 Speaker 1: violent culture. So you know, I was making some jokes

16:17 Speaker 1: here about like right wing violence here, but I do

16:20 Speaker 1: want to state that, like Americans as a whole, left,

16:23 Speaker 1: right center whatever, we are a violent bunch. We love violence.

16:29 Speaker 1: Our foreign policy is violent, our domestic policy is violent.

16:33 Speaker 3: Violence, our sports are violence.

16:36 Speaker 4: What do we entertain ourselves with violence of a sort?

16:41 Speaker 3: Right?

16:41 Speaker 1: Yeah?

16:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well that's a human thing. That's a human thing.

16:44 Speaker 4: But in America we go too far in that. Now

16:48 Speaker 4: it seems like, especially in the last decade we have,

16:51 Speaker 4: we're etching more and more into the society.

16:53 Speaker 3: We're going backwards.

16:54 Speaker 4: It's okay to be a racist out front now, it's

16:58 Speaker 4: okay to be a white supremacist.

17:00 Speaker 3: Now you're defended for being that.

17:03 Speaker 2: I can't I can't recall a point in a moment

17:06 Speaker 2: in my lifetime up to now where it's been as

17:09 Speaker 2: cool to be openly racist and anti Semitic and and

17:15 Speaker 2: all of it and anti immigrant than it is right now.

17:17 Speaker 2: Like it seems like it seems like all the cool kids,

17:21 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, they're they're open about it.

17:23 Speaker 2: They're you know, the the the Maga bros. They're they're proud,

17:27 Speaker 2: They're loud and proud, and they think it's great. And

17:30 Speaker 2: they they they're really uh, they're they're enjoying themselves. They're

17:34 Speaker 2: having a good time.

17:35 Speaker 1: They're having fun. They are ye no but no, But seriously, though,

17:39 Speaker 1: I I okay. So I'm on TikTok a lot, and

17:43 Speaker 1: I really respect us. Name's Jammel Bowie. He's also a

17:46 Speaker 1: columnist for The New York Times. Not a great big

17:49 Speaker 1: fan of his publication of these days and we're a

17:51 Speaker 1: very big fan of him the individual, and he pointed

17:55 Speaker 1: out something that has made me think quite a bit

17:58 Speaker 1: in one of his tiktoks, which is, we are returning

18:01 Speaker 1: to a level of political violence not since seeing, not

18:04 Speaker 1: seen since the nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies. You know,

18:08 Speaker 1: I mean, think about all the leaders that we lost

18:11 Speaker 1: in that time. I mean JFK, Martin, Luther King Junior,

18:15 Speaker 1: you know, Fred Hampton. You know, like we've had a

18:18 Speaker 1: lot of prominent political figures assassinated in that timeframe. And

18:22 Speaker 1: you know, in his opinion, yeah, we are regressing back

18:25 Speaker 1: to that.

18:27 Speaker 3: I feel like we are too.

18:29 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, no, no, it's a it's a really

18:30 Speaker 1: scary time. And you know, violence doesn't it's like it's

18:36 Speaker 1: especially like to have violence we're seeing today. It doesn't

18:39 Speaker 1: accomplish anything, if anything, Like I mean, it's really sad.

18:43 Speaker 1: But like when I hear that, like you know, a

18:46 Speaker 1: public figure, especially on the right, you know, is attacked

18:49 Speaker 1: or there's an attack that's barted, my first thought is like,

18:52 Speaker 1: please don't let this guy be a leftist. Please don't

18:53 Speaker 1: let this guy be a leftist, like, because it's only

18:56 Speaker 1: going to give the right more justification for reprisals.

19:01 Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't matter. Though. It doesn't matter, though, Brandon,

19:03 Speaker 2: because even no matter what his political no matter what

19:08 Speaker 2: the shooters political proclivities may be, the right is going

19:11 Speaker 2: to call them a leftist. They'll just lie about it.

19:14 Speaker 2: It does, so it doesn't even matter.

19:15 Speaker 3: They'll go back on in time to do that.

19:18 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Timothy.

19:19 Speaker 4: McVay, Yeah, what would they say, Oh, Timothy mcveay, Right,

19:24 Speaker 4: they'll that all must be must be woke. You know,

19:27 Speaker 4: if that's and it's and that that just speaks to

19:31 Speaker 4: the degregation of our society the way it used to

19:33 Speaker 4: be is Democrats or Republicans. You could give a disagreement

19:37 Speaker 4: with something like Reagan would say, I can disagree with you,

19:43 Speaker 4: but I can get a but we can work together

19:45 Speaker 4: on the things that we do agree on, Like you know,

19:47 Speaker 4: maybe eighty percent of the things I agree with you on,

19:49 Speaker 4: but twenty percent we don't. Well, eighty percent, I'll work

19:52 Speaker 4: with you on that twenty percent. And when I served

19:55 Speaker 4: in the House, you know, I could be on opposite

19:58 Speaker 4: sides of the PODi having a debate with somebody on

20:03 Speaker 4: one thing, and then on the next thing we're on

20:06 Speaker 4: the same side, working together. On it, and it feels

20:09 Speaker 4: like that doesn't exist anymore. There's no coming together anymore.

20:13 Speaker 3: You know.

20:13 Speaker 4: The President of the United States used to say, immediately

20:16 Speaker 4: after taking the oath, I am the President for all Americans.

20:21 Speaker 4: And now we have a president who says, I am

20:23 Speaker 4: the President for Republicans. But the left are demons, and

20:28 Speaker 4: the left are bad and evil and dehumanizing.

20:33 Speaker 3: And the country and hate America.

20:36 Speaker 2: That's the part that just makes me the angriest when

20:39 Speaker 2: I hear that.

20:40 Speaker 4: Yeah, because there's a whole lot of people serving in

20:42 Speaker 4: this military that fall on the left side of the

20:45 Speaker 4: political spectrum that would be really offended by that, not

20:48 Speaker 4: to mention a whole lot of the rest of us.

20:49 Speaker 4: You know, I consider myself a patriot. I've always considered

20:54 Speaker 4: myself a patriot. I was a proud first responder. One

20:57 Speaker 4: of the proudest things I ever got to do was

20:59 Speaker 4: so the America can flag onto my jackets. I like

21:03 Speaker 4: that is a memory that was etched in me, getting

21:07 Speaker 4: to sew the flag on my shoulders, when I got

21:11 Speaker 4: my bunker jacket, when I you know, got my gear,

21:15 Speaker 4: and to have anybody tell me that I'm not a patriot,

21:19 Speaker 4: My grandfather's name is inscribed on harmon wall at Norwich

21:22 Speaker 4: University after thirty years in the marine.

21:25 Speaker 3: Screw you.

21:27 Speaker 4: My family knows plenty about this country, and we're very proud,

21:31 Speaker 4: and we're very patriotic.

21:32 Speaker 3: And how dare you?

21:34 Speaker 4: Yeah, what's more patriotic than being able to debate with

21:37 Speaker 4: one another?

21:39 Speaker 1: Well that's what they claim. But the thing about it

21:41 Speaker 1: is they don't really want you know, and I don't

21:44 Speaker 1: want to do leg a left right thing here, but

21:46 Speaker 1: like I do just have a lot of this on

21:50 Speaker 1: my mind right now, considering, you know, the assassination of

21:53 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk, you know, eight days ago. You know, like

21:56 Speaker 1: we're seeing like Jimmy Kimmel get you know, indefinitely suspected

22:00 Speaker 1: did from you know, his talk show for not even

22:03 Speaker 1: making fun of Charlie Kirk. He was making fun of

22:05 Speaker 1: trust to Charlie Kirk. You know, I think Stephen Colbert,

22:09 Speaker 1: the highest rated uh you know, nighttime show, gets canceled

22:13 Speaker 1: for his jokes. Literally, He's literally got canceled for jokes

22:18 Speaker 1: about Donald Trump.

22:19 Speaker 3: And that's what just happened here.

22:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and just and maybe I'm spending a

22:25 Speaker 1: little too much time on social media here, but like

22:28 Speaker 1: I I really like to follow the right quite a bit.

22:32 Speaker 1: Like I'm still on Twitter, I'm never calling it X.

22:34 Speaker 1: And I've been seeing a lot of like the rhetoric

22:36 Speaker 1: that's been that's been kind of coming out here. And

22:39 Speaker 1: I mean, these people just went from like you know,

22:42 Speaker 1: like six months ago, being like I should have a

22:45 Speaker 1: right to say that black people have a lower IQ.

22:48 Speaker 1: And these are the same people that are now saying like,

22:50 Speaker 1: you're not mourning Charlie Murk, Charlie Kirk sufficiently, you know,

22:54 Speaker 1: and like what I want to say, he did not

22:56 Speaker 1: deserve to be to be killed. He did not deserved

22:58 Speaker 1: to be murdered. But also I got it didn't sit

23:02 Speaker 1: right with me how much the media has kind of

23:04 Speaker 1: whitewashed what he said, like, oh, he just wanted you know,

23:07 Speaker 1: the spirit of debate. It's like, now this guy would just.

23:10 Speaker 4: Spirit of debate is not complaining about Jewish money and things.

23:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And like going to campus and talking

23:17 Speaker 1: to some like high eighteen year old and then like

23:20 Speaker 1: finding like you know, like the dumbest clip and then

23:22 Speaker 1: posting that online Like that's not really good faith debate.

23:26 Speaker 1: That's not really like listening to each other, like he

23:28 Speaker 1: was just trying to get slammed dunks and he had

23:31 Speaker 1: a radical agenda that was incredibly hateful. So I think

23:35 Speaker 1: sometimes when I point that out, people say, like, what

23:38 Speaker 1: you think he deserved to die? And like, but also

23:42 Speaker 1: I'm not going to whitewash his legacy either, Like he

23:45 Speaker 1: believed really hateful things, right, he.

23:48 Speaker 4: Said that if he saw a black pilot, he'd be

23:50 Speaker 4: really worried.

23:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, he'd literally you know, like that's how.

23:55 Speaker 3: We would do. So what would he say?

23:56 Speaker 4: I wonder what his opinion was for a female pilot,

23:59 Speaker 4: because we all know that he thinks a woman's place

24:01 Speaker 4: is in the home, in giving birth, and it's that

24:04 Speaker 4: kind of thinking that puts a lot of women in

24:07 Speaker 4: bad places. And I could speak from that personally. Did

24:11 Speaker 4: the man deserve to be murdered? No, nobody deserves to

24:13 Speaker 4: be murdered. I'm anti death penalty for any you know, period.

24:17 Speaker 4: And you know, he had every right to spew whatever

24:21 Speaker 4: he wanted to spew and to debate people on that.

24:24 Speaker 4: We might I don't necessarily agree with how or what

24:27 Speaker 4: he might say, but that doesn't give anybody the right

24:31 Speaker 4: to take him away from this.

24:32 Speaker 3: For them, there are two children that.

24:34 Speaker 4: Are going to grow up and they're not even gonna

24:36 Speaker 4: have a memory of their father because they're too young

24:39 Speaker 4: that they will have no memory of their dad. And

24:41 Speaker 4: that's super awful, horrible, And Jimmy Kimmel didn't say anything

24:47 Speaker 4: to the contrary of that. He didn't say that murder

24:50 Speaker 4: was correct at all. He was Trump was literally asked

24:53 Speaker 4: about the guy's murder, and he flipped the conversation to

24:56 Speaker 4: his ballroom, like, go watch what Jimmy Kendall actually said

25:00 Speaker 4: and what he was playing, and he was picking on Trump.

25:04 Speaker 4: Because Trump didn't go, gee, you know, sorry, yes, I'm

25:07 Speaker 4: very sad. He immediately changed the conversation to check out

25:10 Speaker 4: all this equipment over here. We're building the ballroom they've

25:14 Speaker 4: wanted for the last one hundred and fifty years, because

25:16 Speaker 4: you know, for the last one hundred and fifty years,

25:18 Speaker 4: the Americans have been complaining about not having a ballroom

25:21 Speaker 4: in the White House, not about not having chemo for

25:24 Speaker 4: their children.

25:25 Speaker 2: Carolyn Poole put in a comment that's worth reading because

25:28 Speaker 2: it's on this subject read earlier, that they want Kimmel

25:31 Speaker 2: to apologize and give a substantial donation to the family

25:35 Speaker 2: and his Foundation. By the way, there is there is something,

25:38 Speaker 2: there's another element to this whole thing. There's a common

25:41 Speaker 2: thread between what happened to Colbert and what has happened

25:45 Speaker 2: to Jimmy Kimmel is that in both instances, there is

25:48 Speaker 2: a merger that someone wants to get approved. So they

25:54 Speaker 2: that's why they So that's why Colbert is his contract

25:59 Speaker 2: does not be He's still on, but his contract is

26:01 Speaker 2: not being renewed. And that's I think the real reason

26:03 Speaker 2: they've done this to Jimmy Kimmel. They want to make

26:05 Speaker 2: sure that that these mergers that are happening behind the

26:07 Speaker 2: scenes get approved. And that's the real reason they're acquiescing

26:11 Speaker 2: to Trump is is uh is money folly? Yeah?

26:16 Speaker 1: Also also full full transparency here. You know, I am

26:20 Speaker 1: an anti capitalist, I am a socialist, and I think

26:22 Speaker 1: that this is a great example about how capital conspires

26:26 Speaker 1: with bascists. See what is it viacom? And then what

26:30 Speaker 1: is it? Is it? Uh? What's the name of the

26:31 Speaker 1: bachel parent company? Was it Byte Dance or something like that? Oh? Uh,

26:35 Speaker 1: sky Dance, sky Dance, yeah, whatever.

26:38 Speaker 2: Dance is TikTok yeah, skydance Yeah.

26:42 Speaker 1: Yeah. So here's the thing. The the interest of Viacom

26:45 Speaker 1: and sky Dance is only to make money and they

26:47 Speaker 1: do not care about you know, like the concept of

26:51 Speaker 1: free speech. They don't care about democracy. Their only job

26:55 Speaker 1: is to make money for their shareholders or whoever. And

26:57 Speaker 1: by the way, this is a problem in healthcare and

26:59 Speaker 1: housing as well too. There's no regard for human rights.

27:03 Speaker 1: There's no regard for any of this except for making money.

27:05 Speaker 1: And you know, I think that this is really like

27:09 Speaker 1: a canary in the coal mine here. If you've looked

27:12 Speaker 1: at how like authoritarian governments have risen in any part

27:16 Speaker 1: of the world. The media, the comedians are usually the

27:20 Speaker 1: first targets because they are the most visible targets, right

27:23 Speaker 1: And I think that's exactly what's happening right here, Like

27:26 Speaker 1: we don't have freedom of speech, Like go ahead and

27:29 Speaker 1: say your true thoughts about who Charlie Kirk was, say

27:32 Speaker 1: your true thoughts about you know, Israel committing a genocide,

27:36 Speaker 1: you know, say your true thoughts.

27:37 Speaker 3: You know, people are losing their jobs with Donald Trumps.

27:41 Speaker 4: They say something negative about Charlie Kirk, they're losing their

27:44 Speaker 4: jobs if they disagreed with his opinion. And a lot

27:48 Speaker 4: of these people have said nothing that supports a murder

27:51 Speaker 4: or what happened to this man, because it's horrible. Yeah,

27:55 Speaker 4: none of us, and none of these people are saying, oh,

27:58 Speaker 4: he deserved it, because nobody deserves to have their life

28:01 Speaker 4: taken from them.

28:02 Speaker 3: That's just no.

28:03 Speaker 2: I mean, just for the record, I think he was

28:05 Speaker 2: a bad guy. I think you put a lot of

28:07 Speaker 2: really toxic things out into the universe in terms of

28:11 Speaker 2: his politics. But that being said, I'm absolutely horrified. But

28:16 Speaker 2: what happened to this man, my god, And that's I mean,

28:19 Speaker 2: I mean, it's chilling. I think it's horrible and and

28:21 Speaker 2: I could if it can happen to him, it could

28:23 Speaker 2: happen to any of us.

28:24 Speaker 4: But going beyond that, though, let's expand this a little bit,

28:27 Speaker 4: because what's really bothering me is the assault on the

28:30 Speaker 4: press period. Not just that these guys are getting taken

28:33 Speaker 4: off the air, but the press in general is being assaulted.

28:37 Speaker 4: People are losing their jobs in that regard. And if

28:39 Speaker 4: you look at like I was watching a video earlier

28:42 Speaker 4: from one of the press guys who were in la

28:45 Speaker 4: during with Ice trying to stand up with Ice and

28:50 Speaker 4: them literally being targeted and shot at with these less

28:54 Speaker 4: than lethal like the guy had to have emergency surgery.

28:57 Speaker 4: They had to take this thing out of his leg.

29:00 Speaker 4: It was really bad. But the press are being assaulted intentionally,

29:05 Speaker 4: Like they're very obviously press, but they're they're being targeted.

29:09 Speaker 4: And the only reason to target the press is to

29:11 Speaker 4: silence them so that people don't know what's going on.

29:14 Speaker 4: Why else do you target the press exactly, and to

29:17 Speaker 4: control the message. So if we're attacking the press, if

29:20 Speaker 4: we're attacking people and costing them their jobs, if they

29:23 Speaker 4: say it's something you don't like, we're what free speech?

29:29 Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean well also too. It's kind of

29:33 Speaker 1: complicated here because in some ways I also do blame

29:36 Speaker 1: the press for normalizing Trump, especially like what they're doing today.

29:42 Speaker 1: I just don't think that they have done a good job,

29:45 Speaker 1: Like they're kind of in this weird middle position where

29:48 Speaker 1: they don't want to lose their access to Trump and

29:51 Speaker 1: other Republicans. And by way, this is true of any

29:53 Speaker 1: like this even applies to Democrats to as well, but

29:56 Speaker 1: I think it's incredibly worse on the on the right here.

30:00 Speaker 1: But like they they normalize Trump, they you know, like

30:05 Speaker 1: ABC again, like they cowed down to Trump, you know,

30:10 Speaker 1: in this very instance, with Jimmy Kimmel right here. So

30:12 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, they're being attacked for you know,

30:16 Speaker 1: opposing Trump or having one of their employees opposed Trump.

30:19 Speaker 1: But at the same time, like a lot of media,

30:22 Speaker 1: like executives and media owners, they are in lockstep. They

30:25 Speaker 1: love Trump, tax cuts, they love a lot, they love

30:29 Speaker 1: the bill. So it's always kind of this weird balancing act.

30:33 Speaker 1: But the press always ends up getting burned anyways, Like

30:35 Speaker 1: anytime you try to appeal to a fascist, you're going

30:37 Speaker 1: to get burned.

30:40 Speaker 2: True, true, Well, loyalty when it comes to Trump only

30:44 Speaker 2: goes one way ultimately.

30:45 Speaker 1: Oh well yeah, well, I mean yeah, exactly.

30:48 Speaker 2: Yeah.

30:49 Speaker 1: So it's a losing game and I feel like we're

30:51 Speaker 1: all paying the price for it, you.

30:52 Speaker 2: Know, mm hmmmm hmm.

30:54 Speaker 1: I think it should be a little bit more optimistic though.

30:58 Speaker 2: So let's kind of circle back to the part about messaging,

31:02 Speaker 2: because you know, we've talked about a lot about again,

31:07 Speaker 2: these are these are examples, right because you mentioned how

31:09 Speaker 2: the right is so much better at messaging, and and

31:12 Speaker 2: here here we are we've been talking about. This is

31:15 Speaker 2: how they control the message. Here's an example. You know,

31:18 Speaker 2: what's happening right now, so so what what is the solution,

31:21 Speaker 2: because you started to talk about earlier Brandon solutions as

31:25 Speaker 2: far as how democrats can get better, because, like I say,

31:29 Speaker 2: by the way, I'll just give you a quick example

31:30 Speaker 2: of how I feel democrats are horrendous at messaging and

31:33 Speaker 2: and and maybe maybe you can maybe you have an

31:35 Speaker 2: idea of how to fix us. This is a rant

31:37 Speaker 2: I'm sure as Jenny's heard me say this before. During

31:40 Speaker 2: the Biden administration, when uh, the economy was actually doing

31:45 Speaker 2: extraordinarily well coming out of COVID and except for inflation,

31:50 Speaker 2: that was like the one major problem that everyone was

31:53 Speaker 2: complaining about. But we actually we were doing better on

31:55 Speaker 2: inflation than the entire rest of the industrialized world. Coming

31:59 Speaker 2: out of inflation. We actually had the lowest inflation of anybody.

32:02 Speaker 2: But we had a president who couldn't manage to put

32:04 Speaker 2: these sentences together to explain to the American people, Yes,

32:07 Speaker 2: we understand prices are too high, I know, but we're

32:10 Speaker 2: actually doing better than the rest of the world and

32:13 Speaker 2: this will get better. To just hang in there, because

32:15 Speaker 2: the fundamentals of the economy are actually extraordinarily strong, record

32:18 Speaker 2: low unemployment. You know, all everything else about the economy

32:21 Speaker 2: is great. We have this one problem, but we'll get

32:23 Speaker 2: through it. But we are doing better than everyone else

32:25 Speaker 2: we had. We had a you know, at that point,

32:28 Speaker 2: a near octagenarian president who who couldn't I mean we

32:32 Speaker 2: all saw the debate. I mean Biden could barely you know,

32:34 Speaker 2: he was not the messenger he was at one time.

32:37 Speaker 2: And and but unfortunately, because the Democrats are so bad

32:40 Speaker 2: at messaging, there really wasn't anybody else in the Democratic

32:42 Speaker 2: Party who could explain what I just did either. So

32:46 Speaker 2: this is this is an example of where that's That's

32:49 Speaker 2: an example of where I'm coming from, where something should

32:52 Speaker 2: be very, very easy and simple to explain. I'm not

32:55 Speaker 2: an economist, I'm not even good at math, but I

32:57 Speaker 2: understood and I can and I can explain it, but nobody.

33:02 Speaker 2: It's like once Democrats get elected, it's like they forget

33:04 Speaker 2: how to explain anything to people. It's really strange. But

33:09 Speaker 2: but how do we fix that? Well?

33:11 Speaker 1: I do want to push back a little bit here

33:13 Speaker 1: because I don't think actually the economy was that good though,

33:16 Speaker 1: because I mean, you did explain inflation, but I believe

33:20 Speaker 1: that like they could have talked about well, they talked

33:22 Speaker 1: a little bit about corporate greed depending on like who

33:24 Speaker 1: you were listening to. Yeah, but there's this weird balancing

33:27 Speaker 1: act that Biden had to make was that like, listen,

33:30 Speaker 1: the economy is really good right now, and don't talk

33:32 Speaker 1: about inflation at all. Like look at the stock market,

33:35 Speaker 1: look at you know, like, hey, we have like you know,

33:38 Speaker 1: we're routing jobs. But it's like, you know, are people

33:41 Speaker 1: going from working in a factory to going to work

33:43 Speaker 1: out like RB's you know, for like considerably less. So

33:47 Speaker 1: I think also it's really important about messaging is actually

33:49 Speaker 1: having a good policy, having a good plate of policies.

33:52 Speaker 3: Agreed.

33:53 Speaker 1: I can't really tell you what, like Harris's plan was

33:57 Speaker 1: on healthcare. I couldn't really tell you like what like

34:01 Speaker 1: like she had like a housing plan that was going

34:03 Speaker 1: to give first time home buyers twenty thousand dollars. But

34:06 Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now, I make the medium wage

34:08 Speaker 1: in Manchester. Throwing that twenty thousand dollars help throw in

34:12 Speaker 1: an extra hundred thousand dollars, I'm still not qualifying for

34:14 Speaker 1: a mortgage anywhere in the city. The city that I

34:16 Speaker 1: grew up in, and that was you know, working, It

34:18 Speaker 1: was a working class town. And it's harder and harder

34:21 Speaker 1: for folks, and they never really acknowledged, you know, like

34:24 Speaker 1: the the like they'll play a lip service like, oh,

34:27 Speaker 1: housing's really expensive. We're gonna you know, get more horrible housing.

34:31 Speaker 1: How are you gonna do that?

34:32 Speaker 3: Right?

34:33 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm not seeing you know, any prominent

34:35 Speaker 1: Democrats maybe outside of like like the Bernie Sanders you know,

34:39 Speaker 1: you know, you know, the Corey Bushes or yeah, yeah,

34:42 Speaker 1: but you know she did to leave as well, Like

34:45 Speaker 1: you're not seeing like, hey, we need to invest in

34:48 Speaker 1: public housing. We need to repeal the Faircloth Amendment, which

34:51 Speaker 1: prevents us from adding new housing units without destroying existing

34:55 Speaker 1: housing units. A lot of these solutions are private markettions

35:00 Speaker 1: that are making developers wealthy, and they're leaving you know,

35:04 Speaker 1: the poor and working class. Well there's really only the

35:05 Speaker 1: working class. Uh, you know they're leaving this you know,

35:08 Speaker 1: basic human need to be unaccessible. So I think like, like,

35:12 Speaker 1: like a really good first point of good messaging is

35:17 Speaker 1: we actually need something to.

35:18 Speaker 2: Message, have a policy that you can articulate. Yeah yeah, right.

35:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, And and here's the thing I'm not I I

35:25 Speaker 1: have critiques of Bernie Sanders, even though I did just

35:27 Speaker 1: praise him quite a bit year, but I would say

35:30 Speaker 1: he was probably one of the best messengers that the

35:32 Speaker 1: party has ever seen, Like you like what he actually supported,

35:38 Speaker 1: Like what's Bernie gonna do about, you know, skyrocketing health

35:41 Speaker 1: care costs? Oh Medicare for All, Like these are like

35:45 Speaker 1: solid policies that you can go out and communicate to them.

35:49 Speaker 1: So I tend to believe that, you know, our future

35:52 Speaker 1: presidents should be current aldermen or city councilors or state

35:58 Speaker 1: senators at this time. So I really think that focusing

36:02 Speaker 1: as local as we can, it's where you have the

36:04 Speaker 1: most control. I say that, like we need to be

36:08 Speaker 1: holding our local uh you know, I mean really any

36:11 Speaker 1: level too, but holding our elected officials accountable, demanding that

36:14 Speaker 1: they actually have solid policies that we can go out

36:17 Speaker 1: and communicate. And I think also what's really important as

36:21 Speaker 1: well too, is like, you know, being present in your community.

36:26 Speaker 1: You know, I recommend to anybody here, like go to

36:28 Speaker 1: your like your city hall, go to a Bordemar and

36:31 Speaker 1: Algrin meeting, go to like, you know, a committee meeting

36:34 Speaker 1: up at the state House. If you can spend some

36:36 Speaker 1: time and conquered, you really see how like what's going

36:39 Speaker 1: on and communicating you know, whether it's a podcast, whether

36:44 Speaker 1: you know, it's a coffee hour that you want to

36:45 Speaker 1: do with some friends where you kind of like discuss everything.

36:49 Speaker 1: But then also I think it's really good that like

36:51 Speaker 1: we're that we need to be like recruiting people to

36:53 Speaker 1: run for these positions, supporting them to get elected, and

36:57 Speaker 1: then also working with them while they're in powered or

37:01 Speaker 1: you know, the work doesn't stop as soon as the

37:03 Speaker 1: election's over, that's when the work really just begins. So

37:07 Speaker 1: I really value you know, getting friends together, getting a

37:12 Speaker 1: group and trying to make as much change as you can,

37:16 Speaker 1: even if it's just like a little bit like maybe

37:18 Speaker 1: it's making you know, the zone and codes in your

37:21 Speaker 1: city like more lax. Maybe it's you know, advocating for

37:25 Speaker 1: universal childcare and you know, the state house. But I

37:30 Speaker 1: really think that like the core there is like we

37:33 Speaker 1: need good candidates that actually stand for stuff. And also,

37:37 Speaker 1: mind you too, I'm not I'm not an elected I'm

37:40 Speaker 1: not a Democrat anymore. You know, I work for a

37:42 Speaker 1: non partisan organization, and I think that if you're really

37:46 Speaker 1: frustrated with the Democratic Party, we really need to be

37:49 Speaker 1: decentering the Democratic Party. They are not going to save us.

37:53 Speaker 1: They do not want to listen to us. They do

37:55 Speaker 1: not want to hear what we have to say. They

37:57 Speaker 1: want to stick you know, their fingers in their ears

38:00 Speaker 1: and say like, let's send out like another like fourteen postcards,

38:03 Speaker 1: you know, two weeks before election. You know, they're not

38:07 Speaker 1: expanding their base at all, you know, Like I've knocked

38:10 Speaker 1: a lot of doors for various Democrats in my time,

38:13 Speaker 1: specifically here in Manchester, and I can tell you I've

38:16 Speaker 1: noticed that the doors are getting further and further apart.

38:19 Speaker 1: The party is not adding new people, especially compared to

38:23 Speaker 1: Republicans and independents. It really tells me something that, you know,

38:28 Speaker 1: when a plurality of the people here in Manchester are

38:31 Speaker 1: choosing to register as independence, it would make me think

38:34 Speaker 1: if I were a party leader, like why are people opting,

38:37 Speaker 1: you know, not to associate with my party? Now? Maybe

38:40 Speaker 1: they want to vote both primaries, right, but the mythod

38:43 Speaker 1: like a true independent is not real. Like most independents

38:48 Speaker 1: vote one way most of the time, right right, There

38:52 Speaker 1: are like split ticket voters here and there, But people

38:55 Speaker 1: don't want to associate with the brand of the Democratic

38:57 Speaker 1: Party because what does the Democratic already actually stand for?

39:02 Speaker 1: So I personally have tried to change the party within.

39:05 Speaker 1: I'm I got really tired of that, so I do

39:08 Speaker 1: my issue advocacy. I like to say I help any

39:11 Speaker 1: good person running for office here, if they happen to

39:14 Speaker 1: be a Democrat, then great. But I really don't think

39:18 Speaker 1: that the party is going to be the basis of

39:21 Speaker 1: our salvation. It's going to be people that are forming groups,

39:26 Speaker 1: people that are working together, building their own power, and

39:29 Speaker 1: then having the party come to you, Like we need

39:31 Speaker 1: to have like a strong group of people here in

39:34 Speaker 1: New Hampshire that are just advocating for medicare for all.

39:38 Speaker 1: And these people are willing to knock on doors, They're

39:40 Speaker 1: willing to make phone calls, they're willing to camp paign

39:42 Speaker 1: for a candidate if they support this one issue, Like

39:46 Speaker 1: you know, I mentioned Medicare for alls as an example.

39:49 Speaker 1: I think that's really the only way. Like we can't

39:51 Speaker 1: ask the Democratic Party to, you know, drop their corporate donors,

39:56 Speaker 1: like they are going to have to realize that they

39:59 Speaker 1: don't have a big support anymore. But we overhear you

40:03 Speaker 1: and we will help you. But here are conditions. I

40:06 Speaker 1: don't really I don't really see any any better way,

40:08 Speaker 1: if I'm being honest with you.

40:10 Speaker 2: But well, you know, for a long time I called

40:13 Speaker 2: myself an independent because I didn't want to be associated

40:16 Speaker 2: with either party, either of the two major parties, and

40:19 Speaker 2: I kind of still don't. But then, you know, I

40:21 Speaker 2: sort of gave in, I guess you could say, and said,

40:23 Speaker 2: I'll just start calling myself a Democrat again because I'm

40:26 Speaker 2: not changing my registrate. You know, I don't bother to

40:28 Speaker 2: change my registration back and forth. And at this point,

40:31 Speaker 2: I think there's I mean, unless something drastic changes on

40:35 Speaker 2: the right, I don't think I'll ever vote for another Republican,

40:39 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, most of my most of my

40:41 Speaker 2: votes over the years have been for Democrats anyway, but

40:44 Speaker 2: I have voted for independence at certain times, and and

40:46 Speaker 2: I have voted for Republicans a couple of times, usually

40:50 Speaker 2: just if it happened to be in a local election

40:52 Speaker 2: and there was a Republican on the ballot who I

40:54 Speaker 2: knew personally and who I felt was someone of integrity.

40:57 Speaker 2: Even if I didn't necessarily agree with them on everything,

41:00 Speaker 2: I might I might vote for them, and I will

41:03 Speaker 2: publicly acknowledge and Jenny knows this about me, I did.

41:06 Speaker 2: I kind of regret it in hindsight, but I did

41:08 Speaker 2: vote for Kristan Nunu a couple of times. Ideologically the

41:12 Speaker 2: kind of here, this is how low the bar is for,

41:15 Speaker 2: you know, the type of Republican I would accept. But

41:17 Speaker 2: ideologically Kristan Nunu uh, always seemed to me that the

41:22 Speaker 2: kind of of Republican who does not entirely terrify me,

41:27 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like a like a Northeastern

41:31 Speaker 2: moderate Republican who I don't think is totally evil. So yeah,

41:38 Speaker 2: in hindsight, I regret it because as soon as it

41:40 Speaker 2: became inconvenient to him to continue to oppost Trump, he

41:44 Speaker 2: just completely gave in and got right back on the

41:46 Speaker 2: Trump train. So now I regret it because I don't

41:49 Speaker 2: think he has any character.

41:52 Speaker 1: But uh, I don't think. I don't. I don't really

41:55 Speaker 1: think Snonia stands for really anything other than maybe his

41:58 Speaker 1: family's legacy, you know, but definitely yeah, like he he's

42:03 Speaker 1: not you know, he's not like the the Laura Lumer

42:06 Speaker 1: type of conservative. You know that's saying like florides, turning

42:10 Speaker 1: your kids trends or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

42:14 Speaker 1: you know, but he's if anything, it's more kind of

42:16 Speaker 1: like a dangerous like I think it's more dangerous, you know,

42:18 Speaker 1: like he's affable, like the media in New Hampshire loves

42:22 Speaker 1: to New New Yes, you know, I actually used to

42:25 Speaker 1: be his tracker. I used to used to film him

42:26 Speaker 1: giving speeches and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And

42:30 Speaker 1: I can tell you every reporter that he bumped into

42:32 Speaker 1: like instant pals with them. You know. He's just yeah, yeah,

42:38 Speaker 1: and he and he kind of has a tendency to

42:40 Speaker 1: say yes to like the last person that he talked to, yeah,

42:43 Speaker 1: which is honestly sometimes a huge plus in politics, you know, uh,

42:48 Speaker 1: you know, just kind of saying oh yeah, oh yeah,

42:50 Speaker 1: that sounds great to me. You know, like he said,

42:52 Speaker 1: he said like things about like not wanting to change

42:54 Speaker 1: the abortion laws in New Hampshire, ends up signing a

42:56 Speaker 1: bill doing that anyway.

42:59 Speaker 3: So you know he and that they buried it inside

43:01 Speaker 3: the budget.

43:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it's like and that's I mean,

43:07 Speaker 1: it's calculated, and I gotta respect.

43:08 Speaker 3: That utilized rate by medical instrumentation.

43:12 Speaker 2: But he could but he so but speaking of that too,

43:16 Speaker 2: so Sanudu also could just blatantly there was Jenny and I, Uh,

43:22 Speaker 2: this was a number of years ago now, but there

43:24 Speaker 2: was a podcast that Jenny and I became aware of.

43:27 Speaker 2: I don't remember what show was on, but Sonunu was

43:28 Speaker 2: on this right wing podcast. And Sanuduo had always portrayed

43:31 Speaker 2: himself publicly as being as being a pro choice Republican

43:35 Speaker 2: and it consistently pro choice, and that was something he

43:37 Speaker 2: was never going to budge on on this podcast. The

43:41 Speaker 2: podcaster kind of asks him about that, and Sanudu actually said, well,

43:46 Speaker 2: I don't think there's a I don't think you'll find

43:48 Speaker 2: a more pro life governor in the entire country. I've

43:52 Speaker 2: I've been consistently pro life.

43:53 Speaker 4: Like he just blatantly lies in front of a right

43:57 Speaker 4: wing reporter and his whole lingo changed.

44:00 Speaker 3: I liked that man. I liked that man. I voted

44:04 Speaker 3: for that man.

44:05 Speaker 4: But what he signed that budget into law knowing farewell

44:10 Speaker 4: that there was a mandate in there that would force

44:14 Speaker 4: rape by medical instrumentation, which when I say that, that

44:17 Speaker 4: means forcing a transvaginal ultrasound on anyone prior to them

44:22 Speaker 4: being allowed to have an abortion, regardless of siety of

44:26 Speaker 4: circumstances of what have you. I was done that. That's

44:30 Speaker 4: just disgusting, beyond disgusting. Yeah, there's no coming back from

44:36 Speaker 4: signing something like that. You should have said, nope, go

44:40 Speaker 4: fix it, take that out, not going to do this.

44:43 Speaker 4: And later, but not until after it had been law

44:49 Speaker 4: for a year in this state. And I have no

44:52 Speaker 4: idea how many women or young girls were put through

44:56 Speaker 4: something that they should have never been forced to go through.

45:00 Speaker 4: That there was one should be forced to go through

45:04 Speaker 4: prior to an abortion. It was law for a year.

45:07 Speaker 2: I don't know if it was ever enforced him anyway,

45:09 Speaker 2: because I don't know if most people even realize it

45:11 Speaker 2: was there.

45:11 Speaker 4: Do you think that the medical community goes against the law,

45:15 Speaker 4: You're crazy because they lose their licenses to practice if

45:19 Speaker 4: the law says you must do this.

45:22 Speaker 3: I'm I'm in a terrible situation.

45:25 Speaker 2: No, I know, I'm just I'm just saying I think.

45:27 Speaker 4: It happened to one person. That's one person too, I agree,

45:33 Speaker 4: But nothing like that should ever be in law. That

45:35 Speaker 4: should never be in law. But of course I'm taking

45:38 Speaker 4: this a little up. But he was supposedly pro choice and.

45:45 Speaker 1: Then yeah, and if I'm going to tie this back

45:47 Speaker 1: in though, this is because like no one's really held

45:52 Speaker 1: new accountable for anything. The media in New Hampshire absolutely

45:55 Speaker 1: has not, and part of that has been because local

45:59 Speaker 1: journalism has been so gutted. A lot of like the

46:02 Speaker 1: people that I've been and conquered, you know, for decades,

46:05 Speaker 1: have told me like every like you know, major for

46:07 Speaker 1: New Hampshire publication would have their own state House reporter.

46:12 Speaker 1: And now when I talk to like reporters from like NHPR,

46:15 Speaker 1: Union Leader, Conquered Monitor, you're seeing them having to cover

46:19 Speaker 1: the state House and a bunch of other stuff too,

46:23 Speaker 1: So like there's not really a lot of attention necessarily

46:26 Speaker 1: paid to what's actually going on. And also to like

46:29 Speaker 1: these reporters don't want to lose their access to the politicians,

46:33 Speaker 1: holding them accountable is again kind of like a balancing act.

46:36 Speaker 1: So I really think that's kind of where like citizens

46:37 Speaker 1: kind of have to fill that void. We shouldn't have

46:40 Speaker 1: to necessarily, But I really think that like we really

46:44 Speaker 1: should be drawing more attention and talking about the things

46:47 Speaker 1: that we're seeing a conquered or like our local city

46:49 Speaker 1: hall or or really.

46:51 Speaker 3: Don't suppressed challenges at all, No, not at all, Like

46:55 Speaker 3: you know, a lot if anything they they.

47:00 Speaker 4: I don't, for lack of a better term, they whitewashed stuff. Okay,

47:03 Speaker 4: when the Nazis were in conquered and they did a

47:07 Speaker 4: Nazi match salute down the street, WMUR.

47:12 Speaker 3: Reported they were walking.

47:13 Speaker 4: They walked down the street. They did not walk down

47:16 Speaker 4: the street. We were there, We saw it, We videotaped it.

47:19 Speaker 4: They were watching and doing the tittle hitler thing. And

47:24 Speaker 4: when they said that, I was so angry by the

47:27 Speaker 4: way that they said it and made it sound like

47:30 Speaker 4: to me, it was like they were saying the person

47:32 Speaker 4: that they assaulted it was their fault, that it was

47:35 Speaker 4: the person's fault they got assaulted by these people just

47:40 Speaker 4: walking down the street.

47:41 Speaker 2: I think they refused. They didn't even call them Nazis,

47:44 Speaker 2: and they they kind of made it sound like they

47:45 Speaker 2: were just out for a summer stroll and somebody got

47:49 Speaker 2: in their way or something. NBC News ten in Boston

47:52 Speaker 2: did a much better job. Yeah, they also saw their

47:55 Speaker 2: report and they did a really good job, and they

47:57 Speaker 2: called them neo Nazis and they were and and they

48:00 Speaker 2: they covered exactly what happened. But Channel nine just really

48:05 Speaker 2: was like, like.

48:05 Speaker 3: Those call themselves Nazis, they're very proud of who they are.

48:09 Speaker 4: They carry the Nazi flag, they did the Hail Hitler salute,

48:12 Speaker 4: they were saying Ale Hitler. They I mean, they're not

48:16 Speaker 4: quiet about being Nazis. The fact that the media doesn't

48:19 Speaker 4: have enough courage to call them that is alarming because

48:23 Speaker 4: that's how the media has gotten.

48:25 Speaker 2: Some of the media, Like I said, NBC town out

48:27 Speaker 2: of Boston.

48:27 Speaker 3: Maybe, yes, they did do a much better Dan, Yes

48:30 Speaker 3: they did it.

48:31 Speaker 1: Funny though that like a Boston a Boston media organization

48:36 Speaker 1: like covers New Hampshire better than New Hampshire media like has. Yeah,

48:42 Speaker 1: it's absolutely wild to me. And I will say, like

48:45 Speaker 1: they are in Bolden because Trump is in office. Oh yeah,

48:49 Speaker 1: a lot between twenty sixteen twenty twenties here in Manchester

48:53 Speaker 1: and you know, the four years that you know that

48:55 Speaker 1: Biden was president, you know they were they were sad,

48:57 Speaker 1: they were sad. But as soon as Trump got reelected,

49:00 Speaker 1: you know, I've seen my friends and I have seen

49:02 Speaker 1: an increase in Nazi stickers being posted all over Manchester

49:06 Speaker 1: seeing we're seeing these people that are proud to be marching.

49:09 Speaker 1: And then we have a.

49:11 Speaker 4: Business Downstown that was assaulted. There was a bit of

49:14 Speaker 4: a street that had a swastika painted on their window.

49:19 Speaker 4: And there was also last weekend at the Mosaic, not

49:24 Speaker 4: in the Mosaic or collective itself, but the bathroom just

49:27 Speaker 4: outside of it, the men's bathroom.

49:30 Speaker 3: There was something put there that was racial.

49:34 Speaker 4: That actually, uh, which is why they're doing a fundraiser

49:37 Speaker 4: right now for Black Lives Matter because of what was

49:39 Speaker 4: written in that bathroom.

49:41 Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what was said, I just know

49:44 Speaker 3: that it was bad enough.

49:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, As kind of going back to the media, So

49:49 Speaker 1: what's been really frustrating is a lot of ridiculous stuff

49:52 Speaker 1: gets said, specifically in the inter State House, and w

49:56 Speaker 1: WR does not cover it. The UNI Leader does not

49:59 Speaker 1: cover it. And somebody from WMR has told a friend

50:02 Speaker 1: of mine that WMR does not cover anything in the

50:08 Speaker 1: New Hampshire State House unless it gets regional media attention.

50:12 Speaker 1: They are so afraid to actually call anything out, and

50:15 Speaker 1: so they're not really doing their due diligence to inform

50:18 Speaker 1: the citizenry, like wm R if you want to know

50:22 Speaker 1: what happened during the legislative session, Like they don't cover

50:25 Speaker 1: anything really, So it's like there's not really a lot

50:28 Speaker 1: of good sources of information and these processes, like you know,

50:33 Speaker 1: the process as genos like passing a bill, you know,

50:36 Speaker 1: to somebody that doesn't really know the legislative process, it's

50:38 Speaker 1: really complex. Like you need people that know, you know

50:42 Speaker 1: something about the process. You need to know, you know

50:44 Speaker 1: what an executive you know what an executive session is

50:47 Speaker 1: on a committee. You know, they need to know, like

50:49 Speaker 1: what does an expedient to legislate actually mean. It's really

50:53 Speaker 1: difficult for the average person who's busy with a lot

50:55 Speaker 1: of things to be able to kind of discern that.

50:58 Speaker 1: So again, I think that's kind of where like you know,

50:59 Speaker 1: like we and I think you're doing this yere at

51:01 Speaker 1: your show, is you know, showing people like what is

51:04 Speaker 1: actually going on, to talk about it and to maybe

51:09 Speaker 1: actually do something about it.

51:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yes, indeed, Like I always say, you may

51:15 Speaker 4: not get into politics, but politics gets in there the

51:18 Speaker 4: aspect of your life.

51:20 Speaker 3: Everything that you do, breathe, eat, drink, think about has

51:24 Speaker 3: got some level of government involved in it. So you

51:27 Speaker 3: should be a little more concerned with what those critters

51:31 Speaker 3: are doing.

51:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you don't care about politics, your boss, your landlord,

51:35 Speaker 1: and your insurance companies certainly do.

51:38 Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, absolutely, absolutely, Well, we've been on

51:42 Speaker 2: for almost an hour. Is there a we can start

51:45 Speaker 2: to wind this down? But I mean, I mean, is

51:47 Speaker 2: there anything we didn't discuss? I mean we're not on

51:49 Speaker 2: a you know, on the podcast here, We're not on

51:52 Speaker 2: a particular schedule or anything. So if there's anything we

51:54 Speaker 2: didn't get into that that either of you want to

51:56 Speaker 2: touch on, we certainly can.

52:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, just kind of one thing that's been kind of

52:03 Speaker 1: on my mind, kind of keeping it local here in

52:06 Speaker 1: New Hampshire. So, as a community organizer, I like to

52:11 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time in the field. I like

52:13 Speaker 1: to leave the house. I like to go all over

52:15 Speaker 1: the state talk to as many people as I can.

52:19 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm a chatty person. I'm an organizer

52:22 Speaker 1: and a leader of ours. At rad invited me out

52:26 Speaker 1: to the Antrim Home and Harvest Festival this weekend and

52:30 Speaker 1: you know, they had like a bunch of table set

52:32 Speaker 1: up on Main Street. I don't know if you've ever

52:33 Speaker 1: been to Antrim, it's cute as hell. I love it.

52:36 Speaker 1: That's a very cute downtown and so like I was

52:40 Speaker 1: just like striking up conversations with people and kind of

52:42 Speaker 1: asking them them like so like you know, I'm just

52:44 Speaker 1: stopping it from Manchester, like what are like the issues

52:47 Speaker 1: like out here, Like what problems are people facing? And

52:50 Speaker 1: virtually everyone I talked to said, like the school funding,

52:54 Speaker 1: you know, like our school budget is raising our property taxes.

52:58 Speaker 1: And when I go all over the state, it's pretty

53:01 Speaker 1: much a similar story. Our property taxes are through the

53:04 Speaker 1: roof here and a lot of this and a lot

53:06 Speaker 1: of people don't realize this is like this is tied

53:08 Speaker 1: directly because the state is not providing municipalities, you know,

53:14 Speaker 1: with like adequate education funding. We've slashed the interest in

53:18 Speaker 1: dividends tax, which I like to call it the millionaire's tax,

53:22 Speaker 1: and then that burden is following more heavily on the

53:25 Speaker 1: working class here in New Hampshire. You know, property taxes

53:29 Speaker 1: are really regressive. And actually, my friend John Kuiper did

53:32 Speaker 1: really good TikTok about this where he compared a home

53:35 Speaker 1: and I want to say it was just not a

53:39 Speaker 1: Portsmouth that was like one of those surrounding towns. It

53:41 Speaker 1: was a home that was about six hundred thousand dollars

53:46 Speaker 1: out there, and he did the property tax assessment on it,

53:50 Speaker 1: and their property taxes for the year. I think we're

53:52 Speaker 1: something like, you know, like nine thousand bucks, and then

53:54 Speaker 1: he finds a house half the cost and new market

53:58 Speaker 1: and which is much more work in class, and did

54:01 Speaker 1: the property tax calculation, and the tax bill was the same.

54:06 Speaker 1: So when we have a system that relies so heavily

54:09 Speaker 1: on property taxes, the people that can afford it the

54:12 Speaker 1: least end up paying a higher share of what they're

54:15 Speaker 1: actually taking in what their homes are worth. And we're

54:18 Speaker 1: not really considering, like, how else could we be raising

54:21 Speaker 1: revenue in this state. And I think that a lot

54:24 Speaker 1: of particularly Democrats, are really afraid to talk about things like,

54:29 Speaker 1: you know, like not even just reinstating the millionaire's tax,

54:32 Speaker 1: but even upping it. I think that we need some

54:36 Speaker 1: sort of progressive income tax in the state to invest

54:39 Speaker 1: in things like education so that the students here don't

54:42 Speaker 1: graduate with some of the highest amount of debt in

54:43 Speaker 1: the country. That we need to be investing in rural hospitals.

54:47 Speaker 1: There is a hospital in Franklin that's closing down soon

54:51 Speaker 1: and people in the North Country hospital.

54:54 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't conquered bought that Franklin hospital, the only

55:01 Speaker 4: one that I know of that's in Franklin, which would

55:04 Speaker 4: mean that means all of those patients will either have

55:07 Speaker 4: to be going to Lakes Region, Dartmouth or Conquered Hospital.

55:13 Speaker 3: And that's that's that's that's not cool. That's I.

55:20 Speaker 1: Was just talking to somebody in Gilmington today, one of

55:23 Speaker 1: one of our tendees of our training series. You're saying

55:25 Speaker 1: that paramedics are actually training on how to give birth

55:29 Speaker 1: in a car or an ambulance.

55:31 Speaker 2: Wow, we already do that.

55:32 Speaker 3: They already do that. But they already do that.

55:35 Speaker 1: They've had six berths in the ambulance in the past years. Shoot, yeah, because.

55:41 Speaker 3: Oh, I get what you're saying.

55:43 Speaker 4: Yeah, because there's no there's no well New London Hospital

55:46 Speaker 4: closed their obstructors a long time ago. Franklin closers. If

55:50 Speaker 4: you go here in Manchester CMC closed, there's years ago.

55:55 Speaker 1: Yeah.

55:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's nowhere to have a baby.

55:58 Speaker 4: You can have a baby a Conquered Hospital at Dartmouth,

56:01 Speaker 4: I think, Lakes Region and Elliott.

56:06 Speaker 3: But that's not a lot used to be every hospital

56:09 Speaker 3: delivery not anymore. And that's the thing about there's gonna

56:12 Speaker 3: be a lot of stork pins going on.

56:14 Speaker 4: But you know that's scary because that's that's a lot

56:16 Speaker 4: of risk when you're you know, something goes wrong and

56:19 Speaker 4: they bleed out.

56:20 Speaker 3: There's yeah, there's a lot of things that can go wrong.

56:24 Speaker 4: It's better to be in a controlled environment or at

56:27 Speaker 4: least in a in a in a midwiffery.

56:29 Speaker 3: Situation where you've got.

56:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's The next thing gonna tell me is the

56:35 Speaker 4: cops are going to be training to deliver because they

56:38 Speaker 4: make it to the scene sometimes first.

56:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I think that I don't see enough

56:44 Speaker 1: of this on the left, I think particularly, you know,

56:48 Speaker 1: unfortunately Democrats are the main you know, party of power

56:50 Speaker 1: on the left, but I'm not really seeing a lot

56:53 Speaker 1: of messaging, particularly from the newancial Democrats about like how like,

56:58 Speaker 1: you know, these things are not just costs to a community,

57:00 Speaker 1: They're an investment in a community. Like why would you

57:03 Speaker 1: want to move into a community where if you're going

57:05 Speaker 1: to start a family, you know it's going to be

57:07 Speaker 1: forty five minutes at like the quickest to be able

57:09 Speaker 1: to get to a maternity ward. No, that's scary, you know,

57:12 Speaker 1: you know, like if we're not putting money into these

57:14 Speaker 1: basic things, like these are services, they're not supposed to

57:18 Speaker 1: be making money, Like highways don't make money.

57:21 Speaker 4: It's not just not too The other side of that

57:24 Speaker 4: coin is when that ambulance is traveling that much farther

57:27 Speaker 4: another twenty minutes to get to the next closest hospital,

57:31 Speaker 4: that's your crew and your ambulance that's out of town.

57:34 Speaker 4: So if you're an andover New Hampshire and used to

57:36 Speaker 4: bring your patient to Franklin, now you're bringing your patient

57:40 Speaker 4: to Conquered, that's a twenty minute additional run there and back.

57:46 Speaker 4: There's the ambulance is no longer in town, So you're

57:50 Speaker 4: hoping that the next towns are going to cover your

57:53 Speaker 4: town if another call happens, because you can't get a

57:57 Speaker 4: quicker turn not turning around quicker. I mean I used

58:01 Speaker 4: to work there. I used to bring people there, and

58:04 Speaker 4: at least in Franklin you could like run back kind of.

58:07 Speaker 3: But yeah, you can't. There's no note. You can't do that.

58:10 Speaker 3: You can't do that from Conquered.

58:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just want to say, this is not

58:13 Speaker 1: an accident like this just didn't. It's not an unfortunate

58:17 Speaker 1: series of events that have led us here. It has

58:19 Speaker 1: been an intentional disinvestment in public good. In the public good,

58:24 Speaker 1: whether it's hospitals, whether it's an EMS service, you know again, education,

58:31 Speaker 1: you know, Like, these are all problems that are fixable,

58:34 Speaker 1: but the people in power in our state government right

58:36 Speaker 1: now don't want to fix that. They personally don't want

58:39 Speaker 1: they don't want these things.

58:42 Speaker 4: I feel like Americans are just ignorant because if we

58:45 Speaker 4: were smart, we would want our children to be the

58:49 Speaker 4: best doctors, the best paramedics, have the best equipment.

58:52 Speaker 3: You would want the best.

58:53 Speaker 4: So then when your ass is old and it's you

58:56 Speaker 4: they're picking up, they got the best, and you've got

58:59 Speaker 4: the best taking care. Instead, we make med school so

59:02 Speaker 4: freaking difficult that we don't have enough neurosurgeons. We can't

59:06 Speaker 4: have a level trauma one center or a level true

59:09 Speaker 4: center even in most places, because we don't have the

59:12 Speaker 4: providers necessary to provide that care, which often is talking

59:16 Speaker 4: about pediatric emergency medicine.

59:19 Speaker 3: I mean, we don't have that. You can't get to

59:22 Speaker 3: that trauma center.

59:23 Speaker 4: Right. This is what we're denying ourselves is the very

59:28 Speaker 4: best because we're too chinsey to want to invest in it,

59:33 Speaker 4: and we're gonna nickel and diamond bitch about everything.

59:35 Speaker 3: Why should I pay for this? Why should I pay

59:37 Speaker 3: for that? Well, so you live longer, so.

59:40 Speaker 4: You live better, right, so you live in a better, cleaner,

59:43 Speaker 4: happier world. And instead we're going freaking backwards in this country.

59:48 Speaker 4: There's more hate, there's more vitual, there's more nastiness. We

59:51 Speaker 4: don't want to invest in anything where New Hampshire just

59:54 Speaker 4: lost funding so students like kiddos who like come out

59:59 Speaker 4: of foster care and don't have anything can go to

1:00:01 Speaker 4: school that come from low income families can go to

1:00:04 Speaker 4: school that that funding just got pulled by the FEDS

1:00:07 Speaker 4: to thank you Trump. The money that's supposed to be

1:00:10 Speaker 4: going to these rural hospitals we have in the North Country,

1:00:14 Speaker 4: we have in limited access areas are going to close

1:00:17 Speaker 4: because that money has now been cut off and people

1:00:21 Speaker 4: think it's only gone, it's not going to affect them,

1:00:24 Speaker 4: and by the time it.

1:00:25 Speaker 3: Does, it's going to be too little, too late. Then

1:00:26 Speaker 3: what But we're letting this happen. People are so.

1:00:29 Speaker 4: Angry and pissy and so nasty in their view they

1:00:33 Speaker 4: can't see through their own hate to realizing they're screwing themselves.

1:00:38 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, No, we're shooting ourselves in the

1:00:40 Speaker 1: foot here. Again. It's because we view these things as

1:00:43 Speaker 1: costs we view these things as a waste of tax

1:00:46 Speaker 1: payer money, and we're not really viewing them for what

1:00:48 Speaker 1: they are, which is an investment back into us. Like,

1:00:51 Speaker 1: you know, I always find a line of like why

1:00:53 Speaker 1: should I pay for the school district? You know, I

1:00:55 Speaker 1: don't have any kids in this school, But it's like

1:00:58 Speaker 1: did you go to school at any point in your life?

1:01:01 Speaker 1: Do you want? You know, in you know, a doctor

1:01:04 Speaker 1: that knows how to read when you go to the hospital.

1:01:07 Speaker 1: But again, I think a lot of this ties back

1:01:08 Speaker 1: into like we are so individualistic as a culture that

1:01:12 Speaker 1: we don't really see a lot of these like these

1:01:15 Speaker 1: publicly funded programs as like an investment of themselves. They

1:01:19 Speaker 1: view it as like, oh, we're giving money to somebody

1:01:21 Speaker 1: who doesn't deserve it. And you know, I've even seen

1:01:24 Speaker 1: this kind of line of thinking even that, like with

1:01:25 Speaker 1: local democrats here, like they think that these services will

1:01:29 Speaker 1: make us lazy and not want to work anymore, when

1:01:31 Speaker 1: in reality, it's like no one wants to work right

1:01:34 Speaker 1: now because you can't afford to live.

1:01:35 Speaker 4: You can't afford to work, Like I think a lot

1:01:37 Speaker 4: to be able to work one job and afford to live,

1:01:41 Speaker 4: but people are working two in three jobs and they

1:01:43 Speaker 4: still can't afford to live.

1:01:45 Speaker 3: And the way our society is now.

1:01:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was gonna say, like, I'm a comfortable

1:01:49 Speaker 1: man without any kids right now, and I can't qualify

1:01:52 Speaker 1: for a mortgage anywhere in Manchester.

1:01:54 Speaker 4: The grocery bill has gone up like fifty bucks in

1:01:56 Speaker 4: the last few months and there's no sign of it

1:01:59 Speaker 4: going down. Like I'm even able to buy some stuff

1:02:01 Speaker 4: off at Amazon because it's cheaper than my local discounted

1:02:05 Speaker 4: grocery store, which is really bizarre.

1:02:08 Speaker 3: But yeah, everything is. The prices are insane. I can't

1:02:12 Speaker 3: I don't buy. I don't know anybody everybody I.

1:02:14 Speaker 4: Talked to who's not buying as much meat as they

1:02:16 Speaker 4: used to because they just can't afford it.

1:02:18 Speaker 3: They're cutting back, they're.

1:02:19 Speaker 4: Making pastas, they're making more giant meals that will last

1:02:25 Speaker 4: a little bit longer or stretch it a little father,

1:02:28 Speaker 4: Like you know, if you put a chili together, you

1:02:30 Speaker 4: can get away with a little less meat in it

1:02:33 Speaker 4: and more bean to kind of fill it up, and

1:02:35 Speaker 4: you know, ways to cut corners because it's.

1:02:38 Speaker 2: Just although in fairness, I mean, Trump did warn us

1:02:41 Speaker 2: that this was going to be happening. Remember he said

1:02:43 Speaker 2: that at Christmas time, instead of buying your daughter ten dollars,

1:02:47 Speaker 2: maybe you just buy her one or two dolls and

1:02:49 Speaker 2: that would be good enough.

1:02:51 Speaker 1: Oh my god, could you imagine who like Obama or

1:02:53 Speaker 1: Biden said that, you know, like like like how like

1:02:56 Speaker 1: you know, the entire right wing, like like you know,

1:02:59 Speaker 1: environment there would be like fropping at the mouths.

1:03:01 Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah if I did any of the things

1:03:05 Speaker 3: that he's doing.

1:03:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like That's one thing that frustrates me is that, like,

1:03:09 Speaker 1: you know, we had hyperinflation one maybe not hyper inflation.

1:03:11 Speaker 1: I don't know what the actual term is here, but

1:03:13 Speaker 1: like because of COVID right, like production was down, man

1:03:16 Speaker 1: demand was still pretty steady, that's conlation. But now we're

1:03:20 Speaker 1: seeing inflation that is completely man made. Like these are tarriffs, yeah,

1:03:26 Speaker 1: one by one tyrant here. I don't know why we

1:03:29 Speaker 1: even allow the president to impose tariffs that's not supposed

1:03:32 Speaker 1: to it's.

1:03:33 Speaker 4: It's nothing he's doing is supposed to be legal, but

1:03:35 Speaker 4: he's doing it anyway because he knows it's going to

1:03:38 Speaker 4: get tied up in court.

1:03:39 Speaker 3: He doesn't give two ships about the law.

1:03:42 Speaker 2: Trump has done so many things by executive order that

1:03:45 Speaker 2: that no one has ever attempted to do by it.

1:03:49 Speaker 2: He just does it. He just does it, and he

1:03:50 Speaker 2: gets away with it. He has a compliant Congress and

1:03:53 Speaker 2: a compliant Supreme Court.

1:03:54 Speaker 3: He's wanting to shut him down, nobody.

1:03:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, he really can act as a as a monarch.

1:03:59 Speaker 4: And when you are acting above the law, as the

1:04:02 Speaker 4: nation's number one law enforcement person in charge of everything,

1:04:07 Speaker 4: who's going to stop you? If Congress isn't willing to

1:04:10 Speaker 4: stand up to you and say no, if lawmakers not

1:04:15 Speaker 4: just lawmakers, but if if law enforcement is willing to

1:04:18 Speaker 4: go along to get along when you I mean, somebody

1:04:21 Speaker 4: posted in the chat room earlier that in Massachusetts they're

1:04:26 Speaker 4: just dangling money over people's heads.

1:04:27 Speaker 3: Hey you get a twenty five thousand dollars sign on bonus.

1:04:30 Speaker 2: I'll put that comment back up.

1:04:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we're people are people are apparently in American

1:04:38 Speaker 4: are very cheap with their to give up their morals

1:04:40 Speaker 4: or their values. You know, they'll sell their souls for

1:04:43 Speaker 4: a few extra bucks. You know, we we we in

1:04:47 Speaker 4: this country said it's illegal for law enforcement to profile,

1:04:51 Speaker 4: it's illegal for law enforcement to do quotas because we

1:04:55 Speaker 4: saw all the bad things that that happened, innocent people

1:04:58 Speaker 4: being captured to make those numbers. And now here we are,

1:05:01 Speaker 4: law enforcement is allowed and an't even encouraged to profile.

1:05:07 Speaker 4: They're encouraged to grab everybody. How many bodies did you

1:05:12 Speaker 4: get today? They want that three thousand body count of day.

1:05:17 Speaker 4: They don't care if you're legally legal or whatever. We

1:05:19 Speaker 4: watched how many American citizens have we seen beaten, being

1:05:24 Speaker 4: told they have no rights, being taken into custody, held

1:05:27 Speaker 4: for hours or even days. And there are American citizens.

1:05:33 Speaker 3: And this is happening.

1:05:35 Speaker 1: One thing I think a lot about, you know that meme,

1:05:37 Speaker 1: how like men think about the Roman Empire every day

1:05:40 Speaker 1: or I don't know if you've heard that or not. Well,

1:05:43 Speaker 1: I think about the Roman Republic more so. And one

1:05:49 Speaker 1: thing that's really interesting to me is that even after

1:05:53 Speaker 1: the republic fell and we started to see like you know,

1:05:56 Speaker 1: like like emperors didn't really comm emperors at the time, though,

1:06:00 Speaker 1: but they still kept a lot of the aesthetics of

1:06:03 Speaker 1: a republic. You know, they still had senators, they still

1:06:06 Speaker 1: had you know, like some like you know, like like

1:06:09 Speaker 1: elections to I think they were like the tribunals or whatever.

1:06:13 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a little rusty now on that. But I

1:06:16 Speaker 1: really fear that we are kind of in this state

1:06:18 Speaker 1: right now. I feel like we look like the republic,

1:06:21 Speaker 1: but we have really moved towards autocracy. And I have

1:06:25 Speaker 1: one fear in one hope and then maybe I can

1:06:27 Speaker 1: shut up here. Which is my one fear is that like,

1:06:31 Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's probably gonna be Democrats to take power,

1:06:34 Speaker 1: you know, maybe again soon, and that they're just gonna

1:06:37 Speaker 1: kind of forget that eight years of Trump happened, and

1:06:40 Speaker 1: then they're just going to be so.

1:06:41 Speaker 3: Well, my hope is that they won't do anything to

1:06:44 Speaker 3: prevent it.

1:06:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we really need, I we we need something

1:06:48 Speaker 1: to save this democracy here, Like we need radical reforms.

1:06:52 Speaker 1: We need to really curb the power of the executive.

1:06:56 Speaker 1: We really need to make sure that like we can't

1:06:58 Speaker 1: have federal agents going like completely masked up, no bad

1:07:02 Speaker 1: showing in, kidnapping people.

1:07:04 Speaker 4: Yeah, not having to identify themselves at all, Like that's

1:07:08 Speaker 4: never been It's always law enforcement is supposed to identify themselves.

1:07:11 Speaker 4: That's how you know they're really law enforcement. We've spent

1:07:15 Speaker 4: years and years and years pounding it into women's heads.

1:07:18 Speaker 4: If it doesn't look like it's a cop cock called

1:07:20 Speaker 4: nine one one and don't you know, and to be

1:07:23 Speaker 4: careful and people pretending and now they're just doing it.

1:07:29 Speaker 2: Well, law enforcement too tends to skew conservative. So for them,

1:07:35 Speaker 2: I mean, this is a great.

1:07:36 Speaker 3: Some law enforcement. This is great because yeah, they can

1:07:39 Speaker 3: do whatever they want and look at those accountable for

1:07:42 Speaker 3: the abuses that look at.

1:07:44 Speaker 2: The cops and conquered who let those They let the

1:07:46 Speaker 2: Nazis just get in their trucks and drive off.

1:07:48 Speaker 4: Oh no, no, they didn't drive off, No no, no,

1:07:50 Speaker 4: they climbed in the back of a uquaw, sat down

1:07:54 Speaker 4: and drove off. I'm sorry, I'm gonna say that. I'm

1:07:58 Speaker 4: gonna say the quiet pad out loud. If that color

1:08:00 Speaker 4: or the skin have been different, do you think they

1:08:02 Speaker 4: would have allowed them to pile in the back of

1:08:04 Speaker 4: a U haul and drive off, because that's what.

1:08:07 Speaker 2: Would have been beaten with clubs.

1:08:10 Speaker 1: Photop enhanceshur state troop or fiz pumping a proud boy

1:08:13 Speaker 1: like they are at the very least sympathetic to their causes.

1:08:17 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:08:17 Speaker 1: And I think also too, as we're disinvesting in things

1:08:20 Speaker 1: like education, healthcare, housing, we're seeing an increase in law

1:08:25 Speaker 1: enforcement at a time when crime is at an historic low.

1:08:29 Speaker 1: It's spiked during COVID, but crimates have returned in the

1:08:33 Speaker 1: general trend that they were going. So like my fear

1:08:35 Speaker 1: is that like as schools are being defunded, you know,

1:08:38 Speaker 1: like we we are adding to police departments, and we

1:08:42 Speaker 1: see this in like the federal level too, like we're

1:08:44 Speaker 1: cutting education funding for more ice agents. We are, you know,

1:08:48 Speaker 1: we're getting more and more money into the into these

1:08:51 Speaker 1: systems and again like ice, like ice agents are making

1:08:54 Speaker 1: more money than teachers.

1:08:56 Speaker 4: And they're talking about taking special education students out of

1:08:59 Speaker 4: the public class room and putting them into an institution again,

1:09:02 Speaker 4: a special building just for them. I mean, centuries of

1:09:07 Speaker 4: progress is being undone in a matter of months, and

1:09:12 Speaker 4: it's getting and people are stepping back and allowing it

1:09:15 Speaker 4: to happen. And that is just mind boggling to me.

1:09:19 Speaker 4: Like I thought we wanted our kids to be better, right,

1:09:22 Speaker 4: have a better world than us.

1:09:24 Speaker 1: Well, going back, we need to demand that our leaders

1:09:29 Speaker 1: can express a bold vision of how they're going to

1:09:32 Speaker 1: reverse the damage that has been done. And like we

1:09:36 Speaker 1: can't just keep having and I say we I again,

1:09:39 Speaker 1: I'm not a Democrat anymore, but I acknowledge I'm in

1:09:41 Speaker 1: a reluctant coalition with Democrats right because I am on

1:09:44 Speaker 1: the left here. But like, we can't just be saying like, oh,

1:09:47 Speaker 1: Republicans are so terrible, like we're going to undo what

1:09:50 Speaker 1: Trump did, which is what they do need to do,

1:09:52 Speaker 1: but they also need to start stating, like what do

1:09:54 Speaker 1: you actually believe? Like what are your solutions on healthcare?

1:09:57 Speaker 3: Yeah?

1:09:57 Speaker 1: Like what are what are your solutions?

1:10:00 Speaker 3: Yet all the time in office? Why do you do

1:10:02 Speaker 3: something more for it?

1:10:03 Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly. So I think that we need on the

1:10:06 Speaker 1: left really need to hold you know, the candidates that

1:10:10 Speaker 1: we support more accountable. Like we can't just have them,

1:10:13 Speaker 1: you know, voting and then receiving absolutely no feedback, no

1:10:16 Speaker 1: consequences from us. And I think that like, you know,

1:10:20 Speaker 1: we we we should be a little bit rude to

1:10:22 Speaker 1: them in my opinion when when called for Yeah, you know,

1:10:26 Speaker 1: like we can't just let we can't let the Democrats,

1:10:29 Speaker 1: you know, just return to the status quo. I think

1:10:31 Speaker 1: a lot of privilege, more wealthy, more white Democrats just

1:10:34 Speaker 1: kind of wish that we could return to two thousand

1:10:36 Speaker 1: and eight right now. Two thousand and eight wasn't working

1:10:39 Speaker 1: for a lot of Americans, right, you know, like the

1:10:42 Speaker 1: inability of this country to recover from the Great Recession

1:10:45 Speaker 1: is why we have Trump in the first place. And

1:10:48 Speaker 1: you know, like all these things that received bipartisan support,

1:10:51 Speaker 1: like NAFTA, I mean, those gutted industrial jobs and in

1:10:55 Speaker 1: those regions, that's where Trump really got his base of

1:10:57 Speaker 1: support right there, because both Democrats and Republicans sold out

1:11:01 Speaker 1: those union workers to ship those jobs to non union

1:11:05 Speaker 1: workers overseas, and Trump all he had to do is

1:11:08 Speaker 1: just occasionally refer to that fact. Now he he hasn't

1:11:12 Speaker 1: done anything really to rectify that at all. He really

1:11:15 Speaker 1: just kind of renamed after I forget what's even called

1:11:17 Speaker 1: at this point. But you know, like I think Americans

1:11:21 Speaker 1: are just like they're they're craving some sort of recognition

1:11:24 Speaker 1: of the harm that's going on. And I think they

1:11:27 Speaker 1: see that in Trump. I believe they saw that in Bernie,

1:11:30 Speaker 1: but they're not really seeing that like a whole lot

1:11:32 Speaker 1: of and a whole lot of other places. But do

1:11:34 Speaker 1: I say, like, we do have some good local candidates

1:11:36 Speaker 1: and even some people running for you know, CV one

1:11:38 Speaker 1: that like are talking about that. So like I don't

1:11:40 Speaker 1: want to be all doom in gloom like there there

1:11:42 Speaker 1: is hope. But you know, these folks, you know, are

1:11:46 Speaker 1: going to face a lot of opposition from the party itself.

1:11:49 Speaker 1: They have their chosen candidates that they want to win,

1:11:52 Speaker 1: who are.

1:11:53 Speaker 3: Not really that popular, and that's that's the problem.

1:11:58 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, good, you got to get these old people,

1:12:01 Speaker 2: not to be ageists, but no way to avoid it.

1:12:03 Speaker 2: You got to get these old people out of there,

1:12:05 Speaker 2: you know. I mean, you know, like like Chuck Schumer

1:12:08 Speaker 2: and you know, just just people who are who are

1:12:12 Speaker 2: past their uh. I mean, look what they did did

1:12:15 Speaker 2: with Diane Feinstein. I mean, she was she was non compassmentus.

1:12:19 Speaker 2: I mean, she was gone, and they wheeled her in.

1:12:22 Speaker 2: It was like weekend at Bernie's, right, They they wheeled

1:12:25 Speaker 2: her into vote. I mean, and it was elder abuse

1:12:27 Speaker 2: what they did to her. But I mean, but that's

1:12:30 Speaker 2: so emblematic of the Democratic Party, you know, and uh,

1:12:34 Speaker 2: you know, and Biden not to keep going back to that,

1:12:36 Speaker 2: but another example, there.

1:12:39 Speaker 4: Needs to be some new blood at the top to

1:12:41 Speaker 4: attract people, and especially here in New Hampshire.

1:12:46 Speaker 1: So so I was just talking to a member. I'm

1:12:49 Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not gonna, like you know, out them

1:12:51 Speaker 1: here but you know, they are part of a Democratic

1:12:54 Speaker 1: committee here in New Hampshire in like a red rural area,

1:12:58 Speaker 1: and like they were thinking, like how do we get like,

1:13:00 Speaker 1: you know, like younger families involved with the party. And

1:13:04 Speaker 1: somebody had the idea of like, oh, what if like

1:13:06 Speaker 1: we have somebody like we pay like somebody's daughter granddaughter

1:13:10 Speaker 1: to like watch over some like kids. We'll have like

1:13:13 Speaker 1: a little play area where like we'll be in the

1:13:15 Speaker 1: same room but we'll be having the meeting. And the

1:13:18 Speaker 1: State Party said, legally we cannot provide childcare. Uh, don't

1:13:21 Speaker 1: do it. It's like you want new people to come in.

1:13:25 Speaker 1: You want like if you're talking about younger people. I

1:13:27 Speaker 1: know people think of like eighteen and twenty year olds,

1:13:29 Speaker 1: but like think about the people like you.

1:13:31 Speaker 3: Get people to show up at church. There's a daycare

1:13:35 Speaker 3: at the church. They're just volunteers.

1:13:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, so here's the thing. Add add in like a

1:13:41 Speaker 1: few like thirty year old couples with kids to a

1:13:43 Speaker 1: Democratic Committee meeting and you will lower the average age. Right,

1:13:48 Speaker 1: You're bringing younger people in. But there seems to be

1:13:50 Speaker 1: like a resistance to change. Kah. I think again, it's

1:13:53 Speaker 1: because a lot of people that have power within the

1:13:54 Speaker 1: Democratic Party, are comfortable like they are wealthier, they are

1:13:58 Speaker 1: more white, and anything that's kind of like a threat

1:14:01 Speaker 1: to that power. I like to joke that progressives actually

1:14:05 Speaker 1: pose a bigger threat to the power of the Democratic

1:14:07 Speaker 1: Party than Republicans do, because if you're party chair of

1:14:10 Speaker 1: the hand your Democratic Party and you get absolutely wiped

1:14:13 Speaker 1: out by Republicans in the election, well, guess what, You're

1:14:16 Speaker 1: still party chair. You still get to put on all

1:14:18 Speaker 1: these fundraisers. Now if a progressive challenges you for your

1:14:21 Speaker 1: party seat right there, Oh, you don't have the access

1:14:24 Speaker 1: that you did. Right, So a lot of it is

1:14:26 Speaker 1: it's it's it's self preservation and an inability to change

1:14:29 Speaker 1: its obstinates.

1:14:31 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, one hundred percent, I agree. I agree, Yeah,

1:14:35 Speaker 2: I agree. Well, I think on that note, we should

1:14:38 Speaker 2: we should start to wrap this one up. I think

1:14:40 Speaker 2: it's been a really good show, and of course we'll

1:14:42 Speaker 2: we'll do more of these, but anything else.

1:14:48 Speaker 3: Yes, check out the Union Leader tomorrow.

1:14:51 Speaker 4: There will be an op ed by yours truly regarding

1:14:54 Speaker 4: transportation issues.

1:14:56 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, tomorrow and the Manchester Union Leader.

1:15:00 Speaker 1: Please send me a link once it's hosted.

1:15:04 Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely very good, very good. And of course Jenny,

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1:16:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, excellent, that sounds that sounds fantastic. Well, thank you

1:16:52 Speaker 2: Brandon and everyone who joined us on the live stream.

1:16:55 Speaker 2: Thank you, and of course everyone else who gets this

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