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Brandon Lemay of Rights & Democracy Project | Matt Connarton Unleashed
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Speaker 2: the chat room. But Brandon, so your first time on
Speaker 2: the show. Jenny and I of course have known you
Speaker 2: for for a bit now, at least a couple of years, right,
Speaker 2: especially you know, Jenny of course knows you better than
Speaker 2: I do. But it's been how how long has it been?
Speaker 2: It's been at least a few years, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it definitely has been, Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: met Jen through my work as an organizer for rights
Speaker 1: and democracy, Okay, yeah, and you know it feels like
Speaker 1: I've known Jen for a while, but also not that
Speaker 1: long either.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So so Brandon, who are you and what do
Speaker 2: you do? Let's let's uh give the give our our
Speaker 2: listeners and viewers some background on you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So you know, I was born and raised
Speaker 1: here in Manchester, New Hampshire. You know, I am a
Speaker 1: product of the public school system here. I went to
Speaker 1: Plymouth State University, where I studied political science and minored
Speaker 1: in French. And that's about that time that I got
Speaker 1: involved in politics because at the time, this is around
Speaker 1: like twenty ten actually sorry, twenty twelve now at this
Speaker 1: point twenty eleven, and there was a huge effort to
Speaker 1: defund the university system, and I don't know if either
Speaker 1: of you are aware of this, but New Hampshire College
Speaker 1: students graduate with some of the most debt at public
Speaker 1: universities in the country.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that, but it doesn't it doesn't actually
Speaker 2: surprise me either.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we are like routinely like forty eight, forty nine,
Speaker 1: fiftieth in terms of like average student debt. And a
Speaker 1: lot of that is because we just don't fund public
Speaker 1: institutions in the state like we do in a lot
Speaker 1: of our surrounding states as well. So, you know, I was,
Speaker 1: I was political before that. I grew up in a
Speaker 1: union household. You know, my first direct action was standing
Speaker 1: at a picket line and when I was four years old,
Speaker 1: and actually Bernie Sanders was huge in helping to end
Speaker 1: that strike at the time. So my dad was part
Speaker 1: of the ib W twenty three twenty. They had a
Speaker 1: bunch of members in named Hampshire Vermont and so like,
Speaker 1: that's what I really learned about the value of leveraging,
Speaker 1: you know, the power that elected officials have. And in
Speaker 1: that case, you know, Bernie Sanders was using his soft
Speaker 1: power as as a senator. Actually I think he's being
Speaker 1: centered at that time, but anyway. But anyway, as as
Speaker 1: a public elected official, you know, Bernie Sanders was able
Speaker 1: to you know, use his leverage because the unions had
Speaker 1: backed Bernie and now it was time for Bernie's to
Speaker 1: back the union, and you know, he was able to
Speaker 1: help put pressure and to have management and sign the
Speaker 1: contract that you know led me and my family to
Speaker 1: have all the things that we need in life. So,
Speaker 1: you know, I learned some early political lessons, you know,
Speaker 1: as a kid, but again became really charged in college
Speaker 1: because then, you know, my own well being was at
Speaker 1: stake here because you know, I was working thirty hours
Speaker 1: a week. We're gonna at the grocery store, and I
Speaker 1: still graduated with tens of thousands of dollars in debt,
Speaker 1: and it was clear to me that we needed to
Speaker 1: invest more in our university systems, not less. So you know,
Speaker 1: it became involved, you know, with the College Democrats at
Speaker 1: the time, I became an organizer. I'm the Manhasion Democratic
Speaker 1: coordinated campaign. And then I would say more recently in
Speaker 1: my career, I've gone more towards like the nonpartisan issue
Speaker 1: advocacy groups, and I kind of good that work a
Speaker 1: lot more fulfilling.
Speaker 2: So where are you now in terms of what you're
Speaker 2: doing and your your activism, your advocacy and groups that
Speaker 2: you're involved in, and and and the causes that you're
Speaker 2: involved in that matter the most to you, and that
Speaker 2: and that you feel are the most pressing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, like in my time as an organizer, writes
Speaker 1: in Democracy, I originally had started in housing issues. You know,
Speaker 1: I was actual knocking doors not too far you know,
Speaker 1: from your neighborhood actually, because there were out of state
Speaker 1: landlords coming in buying up you know, these multi family
Speaker 1: homes from you know these previously, you know, you'd have
Speaker 1: like a mom path you know on the first floor,
Speaker 1: rent out, you know, second third floor. Now they start
Speaker 1: to retire and they want to cash in on their investment.
Speaker 1: So there was this guy who was basically coming in
Speaker 1: with all this money that was financed in New York City.
Speaker 1: They were looking at places where they the landlord said this,
Speaker 1: by the way, quote unquote, where landlords are undercharging their
Speaker 1: tenants for rent because a mom pod landlord, they usually
Speaker 1: just want to charge, you know, to pay for the mortgage,
Speaker 1: the property taxes, and you know, whatever repairs and stuff
Speaker 1: are needed over the life of a building. But it
Speaker 1: was obvious to me and some of our leaders that
Speaker 1: like we needed to talk to these tenants to be
Speaker 1: able to talk to each other and to either resist
Speaker 1: these rent hikes a lot of these people. We're also
Speaker 1: facing renovation evictions in the Hampshire. If the landlord wants
Speaker 1: to renovate, they can just say get out in thirty days,
Speaker 1: and there's no legal definition of what our renovation is.
Speaker 1: So like we've seen times where like a landlord like
Speaker 1: literally just repainted and that was considered we called a renoviction.
Speaker 1: And so seeing a lot of these injustices, you know,
Speaker 1: has really kind of just even charged me even more.
Speaker 1: And the housing crisis has not gotten any better in
Speaker 1: that time. But also, you know, in my time at
Speaker 1: Writes and Democracy, now you know, I've opened up a
Speaker 1: little bit more into issue areas, particularly working with Gen
Speaker 1: on like healthcare and how terrible this system is. And
Speaker 1: before meeting Gen, I knew that our healthcare system was terrible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, after knowing Gen, I can specifically articulate
Speaker 1: why in in depth, and so you know, like like
Speaker 1: issues that are really important to me and important to
Speaker 1: the organization I work for. Rights in Democracy is really
Speaker 1: giving access to things that you need to survive, Like
Speaker 1: you can't just get by with less housing to a
Speaker 1: certain extent, right, Like, sure you can downsize your home,
Speaker 1: but once you're a renter, I mean, your choices are
Speaker 1: pretty slim and you're either, you know, faced with either
Speaker 1: paying more money in rent or you go homeless. I
Speaker 1: also got to see the same similarity with healthcare, Like
Speaker 1: you can't go with less health care. You can't, you know,
Speaker 1: go with less blood pressure medication. You can't you know,
Speaker 1: just have a good quality of life. And then you know,
Speaker 1: go so long between like confusions that you might need.
Speaker 1: So I see the profit incentive really ruining the lives
Speaker 1: of working class people. And now particularly kind of talking
Speaker 1: more like today at Rights in Democracy, we put on
Speaker 1: a summer training series. We're gonna be doing the same
Speaker 1: series again this fall, and really the point is is
Speaker 1: that we want to help people to identify the problem,
Speaker 1: to be able to use the same language to identify
Speaker 1: the problem, and then to be able to talk about
Speaker 1: the solutions. One thing that I've kind of noticed in
Speaker 1: my lifetime, and I'm not the first person to make
Speaker 1: this observation, is that it feels like the right wing
Speaker 1: is really good at messaging. I was just listening to
Speaker 1: a podcast about Bill Clinton. It's called the Dolla. I
Speaker 1: absolutely love it, and I forget what the actual thing was,
Speaker 1: but like Bill Clinton said something silly, all right, and
Speaker 1: Rush Limbaugh had bumper stickers of that printed out like
Speaker 1: the next day, like yeah, this is like pre internet here,
Speaker 1: So like, you know, and I see this too a
Speaker 1: lot on social media. I'll hear it when I go
Speaker 1: to the Borderman and Alderman and I hear public testimony.
Speaker 1: Conservatives are on point with their messaging. Yes, like one
Speaker 1: of their leaders says something and they are saying the
Speaker 1: same thing over and over again, now heavily with what
Speaker 1: they're saying. I'm a little jealous of that, of how
Speaker 1: well they stay on message. I think sometimes problem with
Speaker 1: like the left is that we're a bit more I
Speaker 1: think diversified. We have different reasons, you know, like why
Speaker 1: we're involved with this. We have our own unique perspectives.
Speaker 1: We cherish unique perspectives, but it doesn't quite always lead
Speaker 1: to good messaging or using terms that people don't quite understand.
Speaker 1: So really like a huge point of this is kind
Speaker 1: of just getting our messaging, you know, And like the
Speaker 1: messaging of like our leaders, our members on point and
Speaker 1: then we are launching conversation pods with people who attend
Speaker 1: the training. So what we want to do in this
Speaker 1: is to create a space for like minded people to
Speaker 1: be able to talk about, you know, the difficult conversations
Speaker 1: they're trying to have with their family members, with their neighbors,
Speaker 1: with their community members, and kind of like work through,
Speaker 1: like some of the problems that people are having and communicating.
Speaker 1: A huge point of our summer training series is just
Speaker 1: how to talk to somebody who might disagree with you politically.
Speaker 1: And I can give you a little bit of an
Speaker 1: example of kind of what we focused on you like here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and before you do that, I mean just interject,
Speaker 2: I do want to say that, you know, and and
Speaker 2: we we talk about this on uh also do you
Speaker 2: know the Hanging Left podcast with Todd Air and and
Speaker 2: I kind of went on a rant on one of
Speaker 2: our shows on there, and I've probably I'm sure I've
Speaker 2: said it at some point on here too, that you know,
Speaker 2: one of the things that frustrates me so much as
Speaker 2: a registered Democrat about the Democratic Party is I I think,
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, I I'll even go I'll speak
Speaker 2: a little further and stronger on it. I my personal
Speaker 2: opinion is that Democrats are generally horrendous at messaging, absolutely
Speaker 2: horrendous that, you know.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And and on the shooting their own what's that, they're
Speaker 3: really good at shooting their own. They're really good. Can
Speaker 3: you hear me?
Speaker 2: Okay, it's it's a little choppy say that again, They're
Speaker 2: really good at what.
Speaker 4: They're really good at shooting their own, especially here in
Speaker 4: New Hampshire. You know, prime example being this is primary seasons,
Speaker 4: people starting to run for different offices, but the party
Speaker 4: is already trying to pick their favorites and tell people
Speaker 4: not to run, which is absolutely wrong. The party back
Speaker 4: the candidate after the primary, but when it comes to
Speaker 4: the primary, they shouldn't be stepping in. They shouldn't be
Speaker 4: telling anybody whether they should run or not. The people
Speaker 4: make that decision when they go in and vote at
Speaker 4: the primary.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just though I think there's a broader just
Speaker 2: problem with Democrats having so much difficulty communicating. And I
Speaker 2: always like to give this example. You know, on the
Speaker 2: rare occasion that a Democrat comes along who actually doesn't
Speaker 2: know how to communicate, well, they wind up serving two
Speaker 2: terms as president. You know, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, you
Speaker 2: know Democrats who actually understood how to talk to people
Speaker 2: about the issues that matter to them. But I feel
Speaker 2: like that's such a rare thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also to I was just talking about this
Speaker 1: with one of our leaders at RANS and Democracy Today,
Speaker 1: is that I take Trump as an example. The party
Speaker 1: establishment didn't really like Trump, especially like twenty fifteen around
Speaker 1: the era, Trump is really really popular with the Republican base,
Speaker 1: and once the party realized that, like, oh Trump is
Speaker 1: going to be the nominee very likely, and he's really
Speaker 1: popular with our base, then they acquiesced to him. And then,
Speaker 1: as use the example of Bernie Sanders on the side
Speaker 1: of the Democrats, and what did they do. You know,
Speaker 1: they saw Bernie was especially in twenty twenty, they saw
Speaker 1: Bernie gaining momentum, and then what happens. You know, Pete
Speaker 1: Boutage Edge drops out, endorses Biden. You know, all the
Speaker 1: others drop out, endorse Biden. Biden gets enough to win
Speaker 1: the primary, and you know, here we are today and
Speaker 1: now we have a second Trump term. Obviously Biden won
Speaker 1: that race, but what good did that do to only
Speaker 1: have the white House for four years. So I really
Speaker 1: see that, like the Republican nurture their base, and it
Speaker 1: seems like Democrats fight their base quite a bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that goes to what that goes to the point
Speaker 2: Jenny was making about shooting their own.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, now you're right, literally, the Conservatives are better
Speaker 1: at shooting each other.
Speaker 2: Well, that's uh, obviously obviously obviously, Brandon, because we don't
Speaker 2: want to get canceled. Obviously you're referring to former Vice
Speaker 2: President Dick Cheney, uh shooting his lawyers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. And also the two.
Speaker 3: Guys that was a funny one, you.
Speaker 1: Know, also conservatives. Also the guy actually, you know what,
Speaker 1: I want to say this. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: also saw, but some guy was arrested for threatening Kelly
Speaker 1: a I our governor here, and I saw the committee
Speaker 1: to elect House Republicans try to claim this guy as
Speaker 1: a leftist. Now, I'm not going to try to claim
Speaker 1: this guy was a conservative. A lot of these people
Speaker 1: are often they have incomprehensible politics.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: But he was also mentioning like how he wanted to like,
Speaker 1: you know, fight the like Jewish controlled FEDS. Doesn't really
Speaker 1: quite sound like a leftist to me. But again, like
Speaker 1: the right is really violent, and I find it really
Speaker 1: hilarious how they try to pinnle a lot of this
Speaker 1: violence on the left, even though most domestic terrorism in
Speaker 1: the past fifty years, like I'm talking, like like for
Speaker 1: every one incident of leftist terrorism in that time, there
Speaker 1: have been three instances of right wing terrorism.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I hear, I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 4: But I'm going to interject into saying that I would
Speaker 4: like to see us get away from all of that
Speaker 4: because in every instance where a murder has taken place,
Speaker 4: where somebody has done harmed to somebody else, there's something
Speaker 4: wrong with that individual, not right, not left. There's something
Speaker 4: mentally ill wrong with them, or something wrong that enables
Speaker 4: them the ability to take another human life. And that's
Speaker 4: what we should be talking about as a society, not
Speaker 4: the it's a left person, it's a right person. It's
Speaker 4: a grant we all can see there, you know. But
Speaker 4: when you get down to the the the crux of it,
Speaker 4: these people have an illness about them that something about
Speaker 4: them in their brain told them that murdering somebody was okay, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: So for me, so I wish that was more the conversation.
Speaker 4: And hey, guess what, we don't do good in mental
Speaker 4: health care at all. You know, we could talk about that, right,
Speaker 4: It's how many of these people who fell out of
Speaker 4: the system or were missed by the system, who were
Speaker 4: exhibiting signs beforehand, and people missed it, right, just like
Speaker 4: we do when somebody takes their own life. We miss
Speaker 4: those signs as a as a society. But we're in
Speaker 4: this point now. It's really scary because there's so much
Speaker 4: hate and vitrioll out there that it is giving people
Speaker 4: almost a permission to be harmful to one another. Right,
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, and that's terrifying in and of itself.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 1: I also think too that we just have a deeply
Speaker 1: violent culture. So you know, I was making some jokes
Speaker 1: here about like right wing violence here, but I do
Speaker 1: want to state that, like Americans as a whole, left,
Speaker 1: right center whatever, we are a violent bunch. We love violence.
Speaker 1: Our foreign policy is violent, our domestic policy is violent.
Speaker 3: Violence, our sports are violence.
Speaker 4: What do we entertain ourselves with violence of a sort?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well that's a human thing. That's a human thing.
Speaker 4: But in America we go too far in that. Now
Speaker 4: it seems like, especially in the last decade we have,
Speaker 4: we're etching more and more into the society.
Speaker 3: We're going backwards.
Speaker 4: It's okay to be a racist out front now, it's
Speaker 4: okay to be a white supremacist.
Speaker 3: Now you're defended for being that.
Speaker 2: I can't I can't recall a point in a moment
Speaker 2: in my lifetime up to now where it's been as
Speaker 2: cool to be openly racist and anti Semitic and and
Speaker 2: all of it and anti immigrant than it is right now.
Speaker 2: Like it seems like it seems like all the cool kids,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, they're they're open about it.
Speaker 2: They're you know, the the the Maga bros. They're they're proud,
Speaker 2: They're loud and proud, and they think it's great. And
Speaker 2: they they they're really uh, they're they're enjoying themselves. They're
Speaker 2: having a good time.
Speaker 1: They're having fun. They are ye no but no, But seriously, though,
Speaker 1: I I okay. So I'm on TikTok a lot, and
Speaker 1: I really respect us. Name's Jammel Bowie. He's also a
Speaker 1: columnist for The New York Times. Not a great big
Speaker 1: fan of his publication of these days and we're a
Speaker 1: very big fan of him the individual, and he pointed
Speaker 1: out something that has made me think quite a bit
Speaker 1: in one of his tiktoks, which is, we are returning
Speaker 1: to a level of political violence not since seeing, not
Speaker 1: seen since the nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies. You know,
Speaker 1: I mean, think about all the leaders that we lost
Speaker 1: in that time. I mean JFK, Martin, Luther King Junior,
Speaker 1: you know, Fred Hampton. You know, like we've had a
Speaker 1: lot of prominent political figures assassinated in that timeframe. And
Speaker 1: you know, in his opinion, yeah, we are regressing back
Speaker 1: to that.
Speaker 3: I feel like we are too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, no, no, it's a it's a really
Speaker 1: scary time. And you know, violence doesn't it's like it's
Speaker 1: especially like to have violence we're seeing today. It doesn't
Speaker 1: accomplish anything, if anything, Like I mean, it's really sad.
Speaker 1: But like when I hear that, like you know, a
Speaker 1: public figure, especially on the right, you know, is attacked
Speaker 1: or there's an attack that's barted, my first thought is like,
Speaker 1: please don't let this guy be a leftist. Please don't
Speaker 1: let this guy be a leftist, like, because it's only
Speaker 1: going to give the right more justification for reprisals.
Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't matter. Though. It doesn't matter, though, Brandon,
Speaker 2: because even no matter what his political no matter what
Speaker 2: the shooters political proclivities may be, the right is going
Speaker 2: to call them a leftist. They'll just lie about it.
Speaker 2: It does, so it doesn't even matter.
Speaker 3: They'll go back on in time to do that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Timothy.
Speaker 4: McVay, Yeah, what would they say, Oh, Timothy mcveay, Right,
Speaker 4: they'll that all must be must be woke. You know,
Speaker 4: if that's and it's and that that just speaks to
Speaker 4: the degregation of our society the way it used to
Speaker 4: be is Democrats or Republicans. You could give a disagreement
Speaker 4: with something like Reagan would say, I can disagree with you,
Speaker 4: but I can get a but we can work together
Speaker 4: on the things that we do agree on, Like you know,
Speaker 4: maybe eighty percent of the things I agree with you on,
Speaker 4: but twenty percent we don't. Well, eighty percent, I'll work
Speaker 4: with you on that twenty percent. And when I served
Speaker 4: in the House, you know, I could be on opposite
Speaker 4: sides of the PODi having a debate with somebody on
Speaker 4: one thing, and then on the next thing we're on
Speaker 4: the same side, working together. On it, and it feels
Speaker 4: like that doesn't exist anymore. There's no coming together anymore.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: The President of the United States used to say, immediately
Speaker 4: after taking the oath, I am the President for all Americans.
Speaker 4: And now we have a president who says, I am
Speaker 4: the President for Republicans. But the left are demons, and
Speaker 4: the left are bad and evil and dehumanizing.
Speaker 3: And the country and hate America.
Speaker 2: That's the part that just makes me the angriest when
Speaker 2: I hear that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because there's a whole lot of people serving in
Speaker 4: this military that fall on the left side of the
Speaker 4: political spectrum that would be really offended by that, not
Speaker 4: to mention a whole lot of the rest of us.
Speaker 4: You know, I consider myself a patriot. I've always considered
Speaker 4: myself a patriot. I was a proud first responder. One
Speaker 4: of the proudest things I ever got to do was
Speaker 4: so the America can flag onto my jackets. I like
Speaker 4: that is a memory that was etched in me, getting
Speaker 4: to sew the flag on my shoulders, when I got
Speaker 4: my bunker jacket, when I you know, got my gear,
Speaker 4: and to have anybody tell me that I'm not a patriot,
Speaker 4: My grandfather's name is inscribed on harmon wall at Norwich
Speaker 4: University after thirty years in the marine.
Speaker 3: Screw you.
Speaker 4: My family knows plenty about this country, and we're very proud,
Speaker 4: and we're very patriotic.
Speaker 3: And how dare you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's more patriotic than being able to debate with
Speaker 4: one another?
Speaker 1: Well that's what they claim. But the thing about it
Speaker 1: is they don't really want you know, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to do leg a left right thing here, but
Speaker 1: like I do just have a lot of this on
Speaker 1: my mind right now, considering, you know, the assassination of
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk, you know, eight days ago. You know, like
Speaker 1: we're seeing like Jimmy Kimmel get you know, indefinitely suspected
Speaker 1: did from you know, his talk show for not even
Speaker 1: making fun of Charlie Kirk. He was making fun of
Speaker 1: trust to Charlie Kirk. You know, I think Stephen Colbert,
Speaker 1: the highest rated uh you know, nighttime show, gets canceled
Speaker 1: for his jokes. Literally, He's literally got canceled for jokes
Speaker 1: about Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: And that's what just happened here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and just and maybe I'm spending a
Speaker 1: little too much time on social media here, but like
Speaker 1: I I really like to follow the right quite a bit.
Speaker 1: Like I'm still on Twitter, I'm never calling it X.
Speaker 1: And I've been seeing a lot of like the rhetoric
Speaker 1: that's been that's been kind of coming out here. And
Speaker 1: I mean, these people just went from like you know,
Speaker 1: like six months ago, being like I should have a
Speaker 1: right to say that black people have a lower IQ.
Speaker 1: And these are the same people that are now saying like,
Speaker 1: you're not mourning Charlie Murk, Charlie Kirk sufficiently, you know,
Speaker 1: and like what I want to say, he did not
Speaker 1: deserve to be to be killed. He did not deserved
Speaker 1: to be murdered. But also I got it didn't sit
Speaker 1: right with me how much the media has kind of
Speaker 1: whitewashed what he said, like, oh, he just wanted you know,
Speaker 1: the spirit of debate. It's like, now this guy would just.
Speaker 4: Spirit of debate is not complaining about Jewish money and things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And like going to campus and talking
Speaker 1: to some like high eighteen year old and then like
Speaker 1: finding like you know, like the dumbest clip and then
Speaker 1: posting that online Like that's not really good faith debate.
Speaker 1: That's not really like listening to each other, like he
Speaker 1: was just trying to get slammed dunks and he had
Speaker 1: a radical agenda that was incredibly hateful. So I think
Speaker 1: sometimes when I point that out, people say, like, what
Speaker 1: you think he deserved to die? And like, but also
Speaker 1: I'm not going to whitewash his legacy either, Like he
Speaker 1: believed really hateful things, right, he.
Speaker 4: Said that if he saw a black pilot, he'd be
Speaker 4: really worried.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'd literally you know, like that's how.
Speaker 3: We would do. So what would he say?
Speaker 4: I wonder what his opinion was for a female pilot,
Speaker 4: because we all know that he thinks a woman's place
Speaker 4: is in the home, in giving birth, and it's that
Speaker 4: kind of thinking that puts a lot of women in
Speaker 4: bad places. And I could speak from that personally. Did
Speaker 4: the man deserve to be murdered? No, nobody deserves to
Speaker 4: be murdered. I'm anti death penalty for any you know, period.
Speaker 4: And you know, he had every right to spew whatever
Speaker 4: he wanted to spew and to debate people on that.
Speaker 4: We might I don't necessarily agree with how or what
Speaker 4: he might say, but that doesn't give anybody the right
Speaker 4: to take him away from this.
Speaker 3: For them, there are two children that.
Speaker 4: Are going to grow up and they're not even gonna
Speaker 4: have a memory of their father because they're too young
Speaker 4: that they will have no memory of their dad. And
Speaker 4: that's super awful, horrible, And Jimmy Kimmel didn't say anything
Speaker 4: to the contrary of that. He didn't say that murder
Speaker 4: was correct at all. He was Trump was literally asked
Speaker 4: about the guy's murder, and he flipped the conversation to
Speaker 4: his ballroom, like, go watch what Jimmy Kendall actually said
Speaker 4: and what he was playing, and he was picking on Trump.
Speaker 4: Because Trump didn't go, gee, you know, sorry, yes, I'm
Speaker 4: very sad. He immediately changed the conversation to check out
Speaker 4: all this equipment over here. We're building the ballroom they've
Speaker 4: wanted for the last one hundred and fifty years, because
Speaker 4: you know, for the last one hundred and fifty years,
Speaker 4: the Americans have been complaining about not having a ballroom
Speaker 4: in the White House, not about not having chemo for
Speaker 4: their children.
Speaker 2: Carolyn Poole put in a comment that's worth reading because
Speaker 2: it's on this subject read earlier, that they want Kimmel
Speaker 2: to apologize and give a substantial donation to the family
Speaker 2: and his Foundation. By the way, there is there is something,
Speaker 2: there's another element to this whole thing. There's a common
Speaker 2: thread between what happened to Colbert and what has happened
Speaker 2: to Jimmy Kimmel is that in both instances, there is
Speaker 2: a merger that someone wants to get approved. So they
Speaker 2: that's why they So that's why Colbert is his contract
Speaker 2: does not be He's still on, but his contract is
Speaker 2: not being renewed. And that's I think the real reason
Speaker 2: they've done this to Jimmy Kimmel. They want to make
Speaker 2: sure that that these mergers that are happening behind the
Speaker 2: scenes get approved. And that's the real reason they're acquiescing
Speaker 2: to Trump is is uh is money folly? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Also also full full transparency here. You know, I am
Speaker 1: an anti capitalist, I am a socialist, and I think
Speaker 1: that this is a great example about how capital conspires
Speaker 1: with bascists. See what is it viacom? And then what
Speaker 1: is it? Is it? Uh? What's the name of the
Speaker 1: bachel parent company? Was it Byte Dance or something like that? Oh? Uh,
Speaker 1: sky Dance, sky Dance, yeah, whatever.
Speaker 2: Dance is TikTok yeah, skydance Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So here's the thing. The the interest of Viacom
Speaker 1: and sky Dance is only to make money and they
Speaker 1: do not care about you know, like the concept of
Speaker 1: free speech. They don't care about democracy. Their only job
Speaker 1: is to make money for their shareholders or whoever. And
Speaker 1: by the way, this is a problem in healthcare and
Speaker 1: housing as well too. There's no regard for human rights.
Speaker 1: There's no regard for any of this except for making money.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that this is really like
Speaker 1: a canary in the coal mine here. If you've looked
Speaker 1: at how like authoritarian governments have risen in any part
Speaker 1: of the world. The media, the comedians are usually the
Speaker 1: first targets because they are the most visible targets, right
Speaker 1: And I think that's exactly what's happening right here, Like
Speaker 1: we don't have freedom of speech, Like go ahead and
Speaker 1: say your true thoughts about who Charlie Kirk was, say
Speaker 1: your true thoughts about you know, Israel committing a genocide,
Speaker 1: you know, say your true thoughts.
Speaker 3: You know, people are losing their jobs with Donald Trumps.
Speaker 4: They say something negative about Charlie Kirk, they're losing their
Speaker 4: jobs if they disagreed with his opinion. And a lot
Speaker 4: of these people have said nothing that supports a murder
Speaker 4: or what happened to this man, because it's horrible. Yeah,
Speaker 4: none of us, and none of these people are saying, oh,
Speaker 4: he deserved it, because nobody deserves to have their life
Speaker 4: taken from them.
Speaker 3: That's just no.
Speaker 2: I mean, just for the record, I think he was
Speaker 2: a bad guy. I think you put a lot of
Speaker 2: really toxic things out into the universe in terms of
Speaker 2: his politics. But that being said, I'm absolutely horrified. But
Speaker 2: what happened to this man, my god, And that's I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's chilling. I think it's horrible and and
Speaker 2: I could if it can happen to him, it could
Speaker 2: happen to any of us.
Speaker 4: But going beyond that, though, let's expand this a little bit,
Speaker 4: because what's really bothering me is the assault on the
Speaker 4: press period. Not just that these guys are getting taken
Speaker 4: off the air, but the press in general is being assaulted.
Speaker 4: People are losing their jobs in that regard. And if
Speaker 4: you look at like I was watching a video earlier
Speaker 4: from one of the press guys who were in la
Speaker 4: during with Ice trying to stand up with Ice and
Speaker 4: them literally being targeted and shot at with these less
Speaker 4: than lethal like the guy had to have emergency surgery.
Speaker 4: They had to take this thing out of his leg.
Speaker 4: It was really bad. But the press are being assaulted intentionally,
Speaker 4: Like they're very obviously press, but they're they're being targeted.
Speaker 4: And the only reason to target the press is to
Speaker 4: silence them so that people don't know what's going on.
Speaker 4: Why else do you target the press exactly, and to
Speaker 4: control the message. So if we're attacking the press, if
Speaker 4: we're attacking people and costing them their jobs, if they
Speaker 4: say it's something you don't like, we're what free speech?
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean well also too. It's kind of
Speaker 1: complicated here because in some ways I also do blame
Speaker 1: the press for normalizing Trump, especially like what they're doing today.
Speaker 1: I just don't think that they have done a good job,
Speaker 1: Like they're kind of in this weird middle position where
Speaker 1: they don't want to lose their access to Trump and
Speaker 1: other Republicans. And by way, this is true of any
Speaker 1: like this even applies to Democrats to as well, but
Speaker 1: I think it's incredibly worse on the on the right here.
Speaker 1: But like they they normalize Trump, they you know, like
Speaker 1: ABC again, like they cowed down to Trump, you know,
Speaker 1: in this very instance, with Jimmy Kimmel right here. So
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, they're being attacked for you know,
Speaker 1: opposing Trump or having one of their employees opposed Trump.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like a lot of media,
Speaker 1: like executives and media owners, they are in lockstep. They
Speaker 1: love Trump, tax cuts, they love a lot, they love
Speaker 1: the bill. So it's always kind of this weird balancing act.
Speaker 1: But the press always ends up getting burned anyways, Like
Speaker 1: anytime you try to appeal to a fascist, you're going
Speaker 1: to get burned.
Speaker 2: True, true, Well, loyalty when it comes to Trump only
Speaker 2: goes one way ultimately.
Speaker 1: Oh well yeah, well, I mean yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's a losing game and I feel like we're
Speaker 1: all paying the price for it, you.
Speaker 2: Know, mm hmmmm hmm.
Speaker 1: I think it should be a little bit more optimistic though.
Speaker 2: So let's kind of circle back to the part about messaging,
Speaker 2: because you know, we've talked about a lot about again,
Speaker 2: these are these are examples, right because you mentioned how
Speaker 2: the right is so much better at messaging, and and
Speaker 2: here here we are we've been talking about. This is
Speaker 2: how they control the message. Here's an example. You know,
Speaker 2: what's happening right now, so so what what is the solution,
Speaker 2: because you started to talk about earlier Brandon solutions as
Speaker 2: far as how democrats can get better, because, like I say,
Speaker 2: by the way, I'll just give you a quick example
Speaker 2: of how I feel democrats are horrendous at messaging and
Speaker 2: and and maybe maybe you can maybe you have an
Speaker 2: idea of how to fix us. This is a rant
Speaker 2: I'm sure as Jenny's heard me say this before. During
Speaker 2: the Biden administration, when uh, the economy was actually doing
Speaker 2: extraordinarily well coming out of COVID and except for inflation,
Speaker 2: that was like the one major problem that everyone was
Speaker 2: complaining about. But we actually we were doing better on
Speaker 2: inflation than the entire rest of the industrialized world. Coming
Speaker 2: out of inflation. We actually had the lowest inflation of anybody.
Speaker 2: But we had a president who couldn't manage to put
Speaker 2: these sentences together to explain to the American people, Yes,
Speaker 2: we understand prices are too high, I know, but we're
Speaker 2: actually doing better than the rest of the world and
Speaker 2: this will get better. To just hang in there, because
Speaker 2: the fundamentals of the economy are actually extraordinarily strong, record
Speaker 2: low unemployment. You know, all everything else about the economy
Speaker 2: is great. We have this one problem, but we'll get
Speaker 2: through it. But we are doing better than everyone else
Speaker 2: we had. We had a you know, at that point,
Speaker 2: a near octagenarian president who who couldn't I mean we
Speaker 2: all saw the debate. I mean Biden could barely you know,
Speaker 2: he was not the messenger he was at one time.
Speaker 2: And and but unfortunately, because the Democrats are so bad
Speaker 2: at messaging, there really wasn't anybody else in the Democratic
Speaker 2: Party who could explain what I just did either. So
Speaker 2: this is this is an example of where that's That's
Speaker 2: an example of where I'm coming from, where something should
Speaker 2: be very, very easy and simple to explain. I'm not
Speaker 2: an economist, I'm not even good at math, but I
Speaker 2: understood and I can and I can explain it, but nobody.
Speaker 2: It's like once Democrats get elected, it's like they forget
Speaker 2: how to explain anything to people. It's really strange. But
Speaker 2: but how do we fix that? Well?
Speaker 1: I do want to push back a little bit here
Speaker 1: because I don't think actually the economy was that good though,
Speaker 1: because I mean, you did explain inflation, but I believe
Speaker 1: that like they could have talked about well, they talked
Speaker 1: a little bit about corporate greed depending on like who
Speaker 1: you were listening to. Yeah, but there's this weird balancing
Speaker 1: act that Biden had to make was that like, listen,
Speaker 1: the economy is really good right now, and don't talk
Speaker 1: about inflation at all. Like look at the stock market,
Speaker 1: look at you know, like, hey, we have like you know,
Speaker 1: we're routing jobs. But it's like, you know, are people
Speaker 1: going from working in a factory to going to work
Speaker 1: out like RB's you know, for like considerably less. So
Speaker 1: I think also it's really important about messaging is actually
Speaker 1: having a good policy, having a good plate of policies.
Speaker 3: Agreed.
Speaker 1: I can't really tell you what, like Harris's plan was
Speaker 1: on healthcare. I couldn't really tell you like what like
Speaker 1: like she had like a housing plan that was going
Speaker 1: to give first time home buyers twenty thousand dollars. But
Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now, I make the medium wage
Speaker 1: in Manchester. Throwing that twenty thousand dollars help throw in
Speaker 1: an extra hundred thousand dollars, I'm still not qualifying for
Speaker 1: a mortgage anywhere in the city. The city that I
Speaker 1: grew up in, and that was you know, working, It
Speaker 1: was a working class town. And it's harder and harder
Speaker 1: for folks, and they never really acknowledged, you know, like
Speaker 1: the the like they'll play a lip service like, oh,
Speaker 1: housing's really expensive. We're gonna you know, get more horrible housing.
Speaker 1: How are you gonna do that?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm not seeing you know, any prominent
Speaker 1: Democrats maybe outside of like like the Bernie Sanders you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, the Corey Bushes or yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know she did to leave as well, Like
Speaker 1: you're not seeing like, hey, we need to invest in
Speaker 1: public housing. We need to repeal the Faircloth Amendment, which
Speaker 1: prevents us from adding new housing units without destroying existing
Speaker 1: housing units. A lot of these solutions are private markettions
Speaker 1: that are making developers wealthy, and they're leaving you know,
Speaker 1: the poor and working class. Well there's really only the
Speaker 1: working class. Uh, you know they're leaving this you know,
Speaker 1: basic human need to be unaccessible. So I think like, like,
Speaker 1: like a really good first point of good messaging is
Speaker 1: we actually need something to.
Speaker 2: Message, have a policy that you can articulate. Yeah yeah, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and here's the thing I'm not I I
Speaker 1: have critiques of Bernie Sanders, even though I did just
Speaker 1: praise him quite a bit year, but I would say
Speaker 1: he was probably one of the best messengers that the
Speaker 1: party has ever seen, Like you like what he actually supported,
Speaker 1: Like what's Bernie gonna do about, you know, skyrocketing health
Speaker 1: care costs? Oh Medicare for All, Like these are like
Speaker 1: solid policies that you can go out and communicate to them.
Speaker 1: So I tend to believe that, you know, our future
Speaker 1: presidents should be current aldermen or city councilors or state
Speaker 1: senators at this time. So I really think that focusing
Speaker 1: as local as we can, it's where you have the
Speaker 1: most control. I say that, like we need to be
Speaker 1: holding our local uh you know, I mean really any
Speaker 1: level too, but holding our elected officials accountable, demanding that
Speaker 1: they actually have solid policies that we can go out
Speaker 1: and communicate. And I think also what's really important as
Speaker 1: well too, is like, you know, being present in your community.
Speaker 1: You know, I recommend to anybody here, like go to
Speaker 1: your like your city hall, go to a Bordemar and
Speaker 1: Algrin meeting, go to like, you know, a committee meeting
Speaker 1: up at the state House. If you can spend some
Speaker 1: time and conquered, you really see how like what's going
Speaker 1: on and communicating you know, whether it's a podcast, whether
Speaker 1: you know, it's a coffee hour that you want to
Speaker 1: do with some friends where you kind of like discuss everything.
Speaker 1: But then also I think it's really good that like
Speaker 1: we're that we need to be like recruiting people to
Speaker 1: run for these positions, supporting them to get elected, and
Speaker 1: then also working with them while they're in powered or
Speaker 1: you know, the work doesn't stop as soon as the
Speaker 1: election's over, that's when the work really just begins. So
Speaker 1: I really value you know, getting friends together, getting a
Speaker 1: group and trying to make as much change as you can,
Speaker 1: even if it's just like a little bit like maybe
Speaker 1: it's making you know, the zone and codes in your
Speaker 1: city like more lax. Maybe it's you know, advocating for
Speaker 1: universal childcare and you know, the state house. But I
Speaker 1: really think that like the core there is like we
Speaker 1: need good candidates that actually stand for stuff. And also,
Speaker 1: mind you too, I'm not I'm not an elected I'm
Speaker 1: not a Democrat anymore. You know, I work for a
Speaker 1: non partisan organization, and I think that if you're really
Speaker 1: frustrated with the Democratic Party, we really need to be
Speaker 1: decentering the Democratic Party. They are not going to save us.
Speaker 1: They do not want to listen to us. They do
Speaker 1: not want to hear what we have to say. They
Speaker 1: want to stick you know, their fingers in their ears
Speaker 1: and say like, let's send out like another like fourteen postcards,
Speaker 1: you know, two weeks before election. You know, they're not
Speaker 1: expanding their base at all, you know, Like I've knocked
Speaker 1: a lot of doors for various Democrats in my time,
Speaker 1: specifically here in Manchester, and I can tell you I've
Speaker 1: noticed that the doors are getting further and further apart.
Speaker 1: The party is not adding new people, especially compared to
Speaker 1: Republicans and independents. It really tells me something that, you know,
Speaker 1: when a plurality of the people here in Manchester are
Speaker 1: choosing to register as independence, it would make me think
Speaker 1: if I were a party leader, like why are people opting,
Speaker 1: you know, not to associate with my party? Now? Maybe
Speaker 1: they want to vote both primaries, right, but the mythod
Speaker 1: like a true independent is not real. Like most independents
Speaker 1: vote one way most of the time, right right, There
Speaker 1: are like split ticket voters here and there, But people
Speaker 1: don't want to associate with the brand of the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party because what does the Democratic already actually stand for?
Speaker 1: So I personally have tried to change the party within.
Speaker 1: I'm I got really tired of that, so I do
Speaker 1: my issue advocacy. I like to say I help any
Speaker 1: good person running for office here, if they happen to
Speaker 1: be a Democrat, then great. But I really don't think
Speaker 1: that the party is going to be the basis of
Speaker 1: our salvation. It's going to be people that are forming groups,
Speaker 1: people that are working together, building their own power, and
Speaker 1: then having the party come to you, Like we need
Speaker 1: to have like a strong group of people here in
Speaker 1: New Hampshire that are just advocating for medicare for all.
Speaker 1: And these people are willing to knock on doors, They're
Speaker 1: willing to make phone calls, they're willing to camp paign
Speaker 1: for a candidate if they support this one issue, Like
Speaker 1: you know, I mentioned Medicare for alls as an example.
Speaker 1: I think that's really the only way. Like we can't
Speaker 1: ask the Democratic Party to, you know, drop their corporate donors,
Speaker 1: like they are going to have to realize that they
Speaker 1: don't have a big support anymore. But we overhear you
Speaker 1: and we will help you. But here are conditions. I
Speaker 1: don't really I don't really see any any better way,
Speaker 1: if I'm being honest with you.
Speaker 2: But well, you know, for a long time I called
Speaker 2: myself an independent because I didn't want to be associated
Speaker 2: with either party, either of the two major parties, and
Speaker 2: I kind of still don't. But then, you know, I
Speaker 2: sort of gave in, I guess you could say, and said,
Speaker 2: I'll just start calling myself a Democrat again because I'm
Speaker 2: not changing my registrate. You know, I don't bother to
Speaker 2: change my registration back and forth. And at this point,
Speaker 2: I think there's I mean, unless something drastic changes on
Speaker 2: the right, I don't think I'll ever vote for another Republican,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, most of my most of my
Speaker 2: votes over the years have been for Democrats anyway, but
Speaker 2: I have voted for independence at certain times, and and
Speaker 2: I have voted for Republicans a couple of times, usually
Speaker 2: just if it happened to be in a local election
Speaker 2: and there was a Republican on the ballot who I
Speaker 2: knew personally and who I felt was someone of integrity.
Speaker 2: Even if I didn't necessarily agree with them on everything,
Speaker 2: I might I might vote for them, and I will
Speaker 2: publicly acknowledge and Jenny knows this about me, I did.
Speaker 2: I kind of regret it in hindsight, but I did
Speaker 2: vote for Kristan Nunu a couple of times. Ideologically the
Speaker 2: kind of here, this is how low the bar is for,
Speaker 2: you know, the type of Republican I would accept. But
Speaker 2: ideologically Kristan Nunu uh, always seemed to me that the
Speaker 2: kind of of Republican who does not entirely terrify me,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like a like a Northeastern
Speaker 2: moderate Republican who I don't think is totally evil. So yeah,
Speaker 2: in hindsight, I regret it because as soon as it
Speaker 2: became inconvenient to him to continue to oppost Trump, he
Speaker 2: just completely gave in and got right back on the
Speaker 2: Trump train. So now I regret it because I don't
Speaker 2: think he has any character.
Speaker 1: But uh, I don't think. I don't. I don't really
Speaker 1: think Snonia stands for really anything other than maybe his
Speaker 1: family's legacy, you know, but definitely yeah, like he he's
Speaker 1: not you know, he's not like the the Laura Lumer
Speaker 1: type of conservative. You know that's saying like florides, turning
Speaker 1: your kids trends or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, but he's if anything, it's more kind of
Speaker 1: like a dangerous like I think it's more dangerous, you know,
Speaker 1: like he's affable, like the media in New Hampshire loves
Speaker 1: to New New Yes, you know, I actually used to
Speaker 1: be his tracker. I used to used to film him
Speaker 1: giving speeches and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: I can tell you every reporter that he bumped into
Speaker 1: like instant pals with them. You know. He's just yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he and he kind of has a tendency to
Speaker 1: say yes to like the last person that he talked to, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is honestly sometimes a huge plus in politics, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of saying oh yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds great to me. You know, like he said,
Speaker 1: he said like things about like not wanting to change
Speaker 1: the abortion laws in New Hampshire, ends up signing a
Speaker 1: bill doing that anyway.
Speaker 3: So you know he and that they buried it inside
Speaker 3: the budget.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it's like and that's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's calculated, and I gotta respect.
Speaker 3: That utilized rate by medical instrumentation.
Speaker 2: But he could but he so but speaking of that too,
Speaker 2: so Sanudu also could just blatantly there was Jenny and I, Uh,
Speaker 2: this was a number of years ago now, but there
Speaker 2: was a podcast that Jenny and I became aware of.
Speaker 2: I don't remember what show was on, but Sonunu was
Speaker 2: on this right wing podcast. And Sanuduo had always portrayed
Speaker 2: himself publicly as being as being a pro choice Republican
Speaker 2: and it consistently pro choice, and that was something he
Speaker 2: was never going to budge on on this podcast. The
Speaker 2: podcaster kind of asks him about that, and Sanudu actually said, well,
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a I don't think you'll find
Speaker 2: a more pro life governor in the entire country. I've
Speaker 2: I've been consistently pro life.
Speaker 4: Like he just blatantly lies in front of a right
Speaker 4: wing reporter and his whole lingo changed.
Speaker 3: I liked that man. I liked that man. I voted
Speaker 3: for that man.
Speaker 4: But what he signed that budget into law knowing farewell
Speaker 4: that there was a mandate in there that would force
Speaker 4: rape by medical instrumentation, which when I say that, that
Speaker 4: means forcing a transvaginal ultrasound on anyone prior to them
Speaker 4: being allowed to have an abortion, regardless of siety of
Speaker 4: circumstances of what have you. I was done that. That's
Speaker 4: just disgusting, beyond disgusting. Yeah, there's no coming back from
Speaker 4: signing something like that. You should have said, nope, go
Speaker 4: fix it, take that out, not going to do this.
Speaker 4: And later, but not until after it had been law
Speaker 4: for a year in this state. And I have no
Speaker 4: idea how many women or young girls were put through
Speaker 4: something that they should have never been forced to go through.
Speaker 4: That there was one should be forced to go through
Speaker 4: prior to an abortion. It was law for a year.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was ever enforced him anyway,
Speaker 2: because I don't know if most people even realize it
Speaker 2: was there.
Speaker 4: Do you think that the medical community goes against the law,
Speaker 4: You're crazy because they lose their licenses to practice if
Speaker 4: the law says you must do this.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm in a terrible situation.
Speaker 2: No, I know, I'm just I'm just saying I think.
Speaker 4: It happened to one person. That's one person too, I agree,
Speaker 4: But nothing like that should ever be in law. That
Speaker 4: should never be in law. But of course I'm taking
Speaker 4: this a little up. But he was supposedly pro choice and.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, and if I'm going to tie this back
Speaker 1: in though, this is because like no one's really held
Speaker 1: new accountable for anything. The media in New Hampshire absolutely
Speaker 1: has not, and part of that has been because local
Speaker 1: journalism has been so gutted. A lot of like the
Speaker 1: people that I've been and conquered, you know, for decades,
Speaker 1: have told me like every like you know, major for
Speaker 1: New Hampshire publication would have their own state House reporter.
Speaker 1: And now when I talk to like reporters from like NHPR,
Speaker 1: Union Leader, Conquered Monitor, you're seeing them having to cover
Speaker 1: the state House and a bunch of other stuff too,
Speaker 1: So like there's not really a lot of attention necessarily
Speaker 1: paid to what's actually going on. And also to like
Speaker 1: these reporters don't want to lose their access to the politicians,
Speaker 1: holding them accountable is again kind of like a balancing act.
Speaker 1: So I really think that's kind of where like citizens
Speaker 1: kind of have to fill that void. We shouldn't have
Speaker 1: to necessarily, But I really think that like we really
Speaker 1: should be drawing more attention and talking about the things
Speaker 1: that we're seeing a conquered or like our local city
Speaker 1: hall or or really.
Speaker 3: Don't suppressed challenges at all, No, not at all, Like
Speaker 3: you know, a lot if anything they they.
Speaker 4: I don't, for lack of a better term, they whitewashed stuff. Okay,
Speaker 4: when the Nazis were in conquered and they did a
Speaker 4: Nazi match salute down the street, WMUR.
Speaker 3: Reported they were walking.
Speaker 4: They walked down the street. They did not walk down
Speaker 4: the street. We were there, We saw it, We videotaped it.
Speaker 4: They were watching and doing the tittle hitler thing. And
Speaker 4: when they said that, I was so angry by the
Speaker 4: way that they said it and made it sound like
Speaker 4: to me, it was like they were saying the person
Speaker 4: that they assaulted it was their fault, that it was
Speaker 4: the person's fault they got assaulted by these people just
Speaker 4: walking down the street.
Speaker 2: I think they refused. They didn't even call them Nazis,
Speaker 2: and they they kind of made it sound like they
Speaker 2: were just out for a summer stroll and somebody got
Speaker 2: in their way or something. NBC News ten in Boston
Speaker 2: did a much better job. Yeah, they also saw their
Speaker 2: report and they did a really good job, and they
Speaker 2: called them neo Nazis and they were and and they
Speaker 2: they covered exactly what happened. But Channel nine just really
Speaker 2: was like, like.
Speaker 3: Those call themselves Nazis, they're very proud of who they are.
Speaker 4: They carry the Nazi flag, they did the Hail Hitler salute,
Speaker 4: they were saying Ale Hitler. They I mean, they're not
Speaker 4: quiet about being Nazis. The fact that the media doesn't
Speaker 4: have enough courage to call them that is alarming because
Speaker 4: that's how the media has gotten.
Speaker 2: Some of the media, Like I said, NBC town out
Speaker 2: of Boston.
Speaker 3: Maybe, yes, they did do a much better Dan, Yes
Speaker 3: they did it.
Speaker 1: Funny though that like a Boston a Boston media organization
Speaker 1: like covers New Hampshire better than New Hampshire media like has. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's absolutely wild to me. And I will say, like
Speaker 1: they are in Bolden because Trump is in office. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot between twenty sixteen twenty twenties here in Manchester
Speaker 1: and you know, the four years that you know that
Speaker 1: Biden was president, you know they were they were sad,
Speaker 1: they were sad. But as soon as Trump got reelected,
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen my friends and I have seen
Speaker 1: an increase in Nazi stickers being posted all over Manchester
Speaker 1: seeing we're seeing these people that are proud to be marching.
Speaker 1: And then we have a.
Speaker 4: Business Downstown that was assaulted. There was a bit of
Speaker 4: a street that had a swastika painted on their window.
Speaker 4: And there was also last weekend at the Mosaic, not
Speaker 4: in the Mosaic or collective itself, but the bathroom just
Speaker 4: outside of it, the men's bathroom.
Speaker 3: There was something put there that was racial.
Speaker 4: That actually, uh, which is why they're doing a fundraiser
Speaker 4: right now for Black Lives Matter because of what was
Speaker 4: written in that bathroom.
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what was said, I just know
Speaker 3: that it was bad enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, As kind of going back to the media, So
Speaker 1: what's been really frustrating is a lot of ridiculous stuff
Speaker 1: gets said, specifically in the inter State House, and w
Speaker 1: WR does not cover it. The UNI Leader does not
Speaker 1: cover it. And somebody from WMR has told a friend
Speaker 1: of mine that WMR does not cover anything in the
Speaker 1: New Hampshire State House unless it gets regional media attention.
Speaker 1: They are so afraid to actually call anything out, and
Speaker 1: so they're not really doing their due diligence to inform
Speaker 1: the citizenry, like wm R if you want to know
Speaker 1: what happened during the legislative session, Like they don't cover
Speaker 1: anything really, So it's like there's not really a lot
Speaker 1: of good sources of information and these processes, like you know,
Speaker 1: the process as genos like passing a bill, you know,
Speaker 1: to somebody that doesn't really know the legislative process, it's
Speaker 1: really complex. Like you need people that know, you know
Speaker 1: something about the process. You need to know, you know
Speaker 1: what an executive you know what an executive session is
Speaker 1: on a committee. You know, they need to know, like
Speaker 1: what does an expedient to legislate actually mean. It's really
Speaker 1: difficult for the average person who's busy with a lot
Speaker 1: of things to be able to kind of discern that.
Speaker 1: So again, I think that's kind of where like you know,
Speaker 1: like we and I think you're doing this yere at
Speaker 1: your show, is you know, showing people like what is
Speaker 1: actually going on, to talk about it and to maybe
Speaker 1: actually do something about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yes, indeed, Like I always say, you may
Speaker 4: not get into politics, but politics gets in there the
Speaker 4: aspect of your life.
Speaker 3: Everything that you do, breathe, eat, drink, think about has
Speaker 3: got some level of government involved in it. So you
Speaker 3: should be a little more concerned with what those critters
Speaker 3: are doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you don't care about politics, your boss, your landlord,
Speaker 1: and your insurance companies certainly do.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, absolutely, absolutely, Well, we've been on
Speaker 2: for almost an hour. Is there a we can start
Speaker 2: to wind this down? But I mean, I mean, is
Speaker 2: there anything we didn't discuss? I mean we're not on
Speaker 2: a you know, on the podcast here, We're not on
Speaker 2: a particular schedule or anything. So if there's anything we
Speaker 2: didn't get into that that either of you want to
Speaker 2: touch on, we certainly can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just kind of one thing that's been kind of
Speaker 1: on my mind, kind of keeping it local here in
Speaker 1: New Hampshire. So, as a community organizer, I like to
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time in the field. I like
Speaker 1: to leave the house. I like to go all over
Speaker 1: the state talk to as many people as I can.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm a chatty person. I'm an organizer
Speaker 1: and a leader of ours. At rad invited me out
Speaker 1: to the Antrim Home and Harvest Festival this weekend and
Speaker 1: you know, they had like a bunch of table set
Speaker 1: up on Main Street. I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 1: been to Antrim, it's cute as hell. I love it.
Speaker 1: That's a very cute downtown and so like I was
Speaker 1: just like striking up conversations with people and kind of
Speaker 1: asking them them like so like you know, I'm just
Speaker 1: stopping it from Manchester, like what are like the issues
Speaker 1: like out here, Like what problems are people facing? And
Speaker 1: virtually everyone I talked to said, like the school funding,
Speaker 1: you know, like our school budget is raising our property taxes.
Speaker 1: And when I go all over the state, it's pretty
Speaker 1: much a similar story. Our property taxes are through the
Speaker 1: roof here and a lot of this and a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't realize this is like this is tied
Speaker 1: directly because the state is not providing municipalities, you know,
Speaker 1: with like adequate education funding. We've slashed the interest in
Speaker 1: dividends tax, which I like to call it the millionaire's tax,
Speaker 1: and then that burden is following more heavily on the
Speaker 1: working class here in New Hampshire. You know, property taxes
Speaker 1: are really regressive. And actually, my friend John Kuiper did
Speaker 1: really good TikTok about this where he compared a home
Speaker 1: and I want to say it was just not a
Speaker 1: Portsmouth that was like one of those surrounding towns. It
Speaker 1: was a home that was about six hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: out there, and he did the property tax assessment on it,
Speaker 1: and their property taxes for the year. I think we're
Speaker 1: something like, you know, like nine thousand bucks, and then
Speaker 1: he finds a house half the cost and new market
Speaker 1: and which is much more work in class, and did
Speaker 1: the property tax calculation, and the tax bill was the same.
Speaker 1: So when we have a system that relies so heavily
Speaker 1: on property taxes, the people that can afford it the
Speaker 1: least end up paying a higher share of what they're
Speaker 1: actually taking in what their homes are worth. And we're
Speaker 1: not really considering, like, how else could we be raising
Speaker 1: revenue in this state. And I think that a lot
Speaker 1: of particularly Democrats, are really afraid to talk about things like,
Speaker 1: you know, like not even just reinstating the millionaire's tax,
Speaker 1: but even upping it. I think that we need some
Speaker 1: sort of progressive income tax in the state to invest
Speaker 1: in things like education so that the students here don't
Speaker 1: graduate with some of the highest amount of debt in
Speaker 1: the country. That we need to be investing in rural hospitals.
Speaker 1: There is a hospital in Franklin that's closing down soon
Speaker 1: and people in the North Country hospital.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't conquered bought that Franklin hospital, the only
Speaker 4: one that I know of that's in Franklin, which would
Speaker 4: mean that means all of those patients will either have
Speaker 4: to be going to Lakes Region, Dartmouth or Conquered Hospital.
Speaker 3: And that's that's that's that's not cool. That's I.
Speaker 1: Was just talking to somebody in Gilmington today, one of
Speaker 1: one of our tendees of our training series. You're saying
Speaker 1: that paramedics are actually training on how to give birth
Speaker 1: in a car or an ambulance.
Speaker 2: Wow, we already do that.
Speaker 3: They already do that. But they already do that.
Speaker 1: They've had six berths in the ambulance in the past years. Shoot, yeah, because.
Speaker 3: Oh, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because there's no there's no well New London Hospital
Speaker 4: closed their obstructors a long time ago. Franklin closers. If
Speaker 4: you go here in Manchester CMC closed, there's years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's nowhere to have a baby.
Speaker 4: You can have a baby a Conquered Hospital at Dartmouth,
Speaker 4: I think, Lakes Region and Elliott.
Speaker 3: But that's not a lot used to be every hospital
Speaker 3: delivery not anymore. And that's the thing about there's gonna
Speaker 3: be a lot of stork pins going on.
Speaker 4: But you know that's scary because that's that's a lot
Speaker 4: of risk when you're you know, something goes wrong and
Speaker 4: they bleed out.
Speaker 3: There's yeah, there's a lot of things that can go wrong.
Speaker 4: It's better to be in a controlled environment or at
Speaker 4: least in a in a in a midwiffery.
Speaker 3: Situation where you've got.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's The next thing gonna tell me is the
Speaker 4: cops are going to be training to deliver because they
Speaker 4: make it to the scene sometimes first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I think that I don't see enough
Speaker 1: of this on the left, I think particularly, you know,
Speaker 1: unfortunately Democrats are the main you know, party of power
Speaker 1: on the left, but I'm not really seeing a lot
Speaker 1: of messaging, particularly from the newancial Democrats about like how like,
Speaker 1: you know, these things are not just costs to a community,
Speaker 1: They're an investment in a community. Like why would you
Speaker 1: want to move into a community where if you're going
Speaker 1: to start a family, you know it's going to be
Speaker 1: forty five minutes at like the quickest to be able
Speaker 1: to get to a maternity ward. No, that's scary, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, like if we're not putting money into these
Speaker 1: basic things, like these are services, they're not supposed to
Speaker 1: be making money, Like highways don't make money.
Speaker 4: It's not just not too The other side of that
Speaker 4: coin is when that ambulance is traveling that much farther
Speaker 4: another twenty minutes to get to the next closest hospital,
Speaker 4: that's your crew and your ambulance that's out of town.
Speaker 4: So if you're an andover New Hampshire and used to
Speaker 4: bring your patient to Franklin, now you're bringing your patient
Speaker 4: to Conquered, that's a twenty minute additional run there and back.
Speaker 4: There's the ambulance is no longer in town, So you're
Speaker 4: hoping that the next towns are going to cover your
Speaker 4: town if another call happens, because you can't get a
Speaker 4: quicker turn not turning around quicker. I mean I used
Speaker 4: to work there. I used to bring people there, and
Speaker 4: at least in Franklin you could like run back kind of.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you can't. There's no note. You can't do that.
Speaker 3: You can't do that from Conquered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just want to say, this is not
Speaker 1: an accident like this just didn't. It's not an unfortunate
Speaker 1: series of events that have led us here. It has
Speaker 1: been an intentional disinvestment in public good. In the public good,
Speaker 1: whether it's hospitals, whether it's an EMS service, you know again, education,
Speaker 1: you know, Like, these are all problems that are fixable,
Speaker 1: but the people in power in our state government right
Speaker 1: now don't want to fix that. They personally don't want
Speaker 1: they don't want these things.
Speaker 4: I feel like Americans are just ignorant because if we
Speaker 4: were smart, we would want our children to be the
Speaker 4: best doctors, the best paramedics, have the best equipment.
Speaker 3: You would want the best.
Speaker 4: So then when your ass is old and it's you
Speaker 4: they're picking up, they got the best, and you've got
Speaker 4: the best taking care. Instead, we make med school so
Speaker 4: freaking difficult that we don't have enough neurosurgeons. We can't
Speaker 4: have a level trauma one center or a level true
Speaker 4: center even in most places, because we don't have the
Speaker 4: providers necessary to provide that care, which often is talking
Speaker 4: about pediatric emergency medicine.
Speaker 3: I mean, we don't have that. You can't get to
Speaker 3: that trauma center.
Speaker 4: Right. This is what we're denying ourselves is the very
Speaker 4: best because we're too chinsey to want to invest in it,
Speaker 4: and we're gonna nickel and diamond bitch about everything.
Speaker 3: Why should I pay for this? Why should I pay
Speaker 3: for that? Well, so you live longer, so.
Speaker 4: You live better, right, so you live in a better, cleaner,
Speaker 4: happier world. And instead we're going freaking backwards in this country.
Speaker 4: There's more hate, there's more vitual, there's more nastiness. We
Speaker 4: don't want to invest in anything where New Hampshire just
Speaker 4: lost funding so students like kiddos who like come out
Speaker 4: of foster care and don't have anything can go to
Speaker 4: school that come from low income families can go to
Speaker 4: school that that funding just got pulled by the FEDS
Speaker 4: to thank you Trump. The money that's supposed to be
Speaker 4: going to these rural hospitals we have in the North Country,
Speaker 4: we have in limited access areas are going to close
Speaker 4: because that money has now been cut off and people
Speaker 4: think it's only gone, it's not going to affect them,
Speaker 4: and by the time it.
Speaker 3: Does, it's going to be too little, too late. Then
Speaker 3: what But we're letting this happen. People are so.
Speaker 4: Angry and pissy and so nasty in their view they
Speaker 4: can't see through their own hate to realizing they're screwing themselves.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, No, we're shooting ourselves in the
Speaker 1: foot here. Again. It's because we view these things as
Speaker 1: costs we view these things as a waste of tax
Speaker 1: payer money, and we're not really viewing them for what
Speaker 1: they are, which is an investment back into us. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I always find a line of like why
Speaker 1: should I pay for the school district? You know, I
Speaker 1: don't have any kids in this school, But it's like
Speaker 1: did you go to school at any point in your life?
Speaker 1: Do you want? You know, in you know, a doctor
Speaker 1: that knows how to read when you go to the hospital.
Speaker 1: But again, I think a lot of this ties back
Speaker 1: into like we are so individualistic as a culture that
Speaker 1: we don't really see a lot of these like these
Speaker 1: publicly funded programs as like an investment of themselves. They
Speaker 1: view it as like, oh, we're giving money to somebody
Speaker 1: who doesn't deserve it. And you know, I've even seen
Speaker 1: this kind of line of thinking even that, like with
Speaker 1: local democrats here, like they think that these services will
Speaker 1: make us lazy and not want to work anymore, when
Speaker 1: in reality, it's like no one wants to work right
Speaker 1: now because you can't afford to live.
Speaker 4: You can't afford to work, Like I think a lot
Speaker 4: to be able to work one job and afford to live,
Speaker 4: but people are working two in three jobs and they
Speaker 4: still can't afford to live.
Speaker 3: And the way our society is now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was gonna say, like, I'm a comfortable
Speaker 1: man without any kids right now, and I can't qualify
Speaker 1: for a mortgage anywhere in Manchester.
Speaker 4: The grocery bill has gone up like fifty bucks in
Speaker 4: the last few months and there's no sign of it
Speaker 4: going down. Like I'm even able to buy some stuff
Speaker 4: off at Amazon because it's cheaper than my local discounted
Speaker 4: grocery store, which is really bizarre.
Speaker 3: But yeah, everything is. The prices are insane. I can't
Speaker 3: I don't buy. I don't know anybody everybody I.
Speaker 4: Talked to who's not buying as much meat as they
Speaker 4: used to because they just can't afford it.
Speaker 3: They're cutting back, they're.
Speaker 4: Making pastas, they're making more giant meals that will last
Speaker 4: a little bit longer or stretch it a little father,
Speaker 4: Like you know, if you put a chili together, you
Speaker 4: can get away with a little less meat in it
Speaker 4: and more bean to kind of fill it up, and
Speaker 4: you know, ways to cut corners because it's.
Speaker 2: Just although in fairness, I mean, Trump did warn us
Speaker 2: that this was going to be happening. Remember he said
Speaker 2: that at Christmas time, instead of buying your daughter ten dollars,
Speaker 2: maybe you just buy her one or two dolls and
Speaker 2: that would be good enough.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, could you imagine who like Obama or
Speaker 1: Biden said that, you know, like like like how like
Speaker 1: you know, the entire right wing, like like you know,
Speaker 1: environment there would be like fropping at the mouths.
Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah if I did any of the things
Speaker 3: that he's doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like That's one thing that frustrates me is that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, we had hyperinflation one maybe not hyper inflation.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the actual term is here, but
Speaker 1: like because of COVID right, like production was down, man
Speaker 1: demand was still pretty steady, that's conlation. But now we're
Speaker 1: seeing inflation that is completely man made. Like these are tarriffs, yeah,
Speaker 1: one by one tyrant here. I don't know why we
Speaker 1: even allow the president to impose tariffs that's not supposed
Speaker 1: to it's.
Speaker 4: It's nothing he's doing is supposed to be legal, but
Speaker 4: he's doing it anyway because he knows it's going to
Speaker 4: get tied up in court.
Speaker 3: He doesn't give two ships about the law.
Speaker 2: Trump has done so many things by executive order that
Speaker 2: that no one has ever attempted to do by it.
Speaker 2: He just does it. He just does it, and he
Speaker 2: gets away with it. He has a compliant Congress and
Speaker 2: a compliant Supreme Court.
Speaker 3: He's wanting to shut him down, nobody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really can act as a as a monarch.
Speaker 4: And when you are acting above the law, as the
Speaker 4: nation's number one law enforcement person in charge of everything,
Speaker 4: who's going to stop you? If Congress isn't willing to
Speaker 4: stand up to you and say no, if lawmakers not
Speaker 4: just lawmakers, but if if law enforcement is willing to
Speaker 4: go along to get along when you I mean, somebody
Speaker 4: posted in the chat room earlier that in Massachusetts they're
Speaker 4: just dangling money over people's heads.
Speaker 3: Hey you get a twenty five thousand dollars sign on bonus.
Speaker 2: I'll put that comment back up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we're people are people are apparently in American
Speaker 4: are very cheap with their to give up their morals
Speaker 4: or their values. You know, they'll sell their souls for
Speaker 4: a few extra bucks. You know, we we we in
Speaker 4: this country said it's illegal for law enforcement to profile,
Speaker 4: it's illegal for law enforcement to do quotas because we
Speaker 4: saw all the bad things that that happened, innocent people
Speaker 4: being captured to make those numbers. And now here we are,
Speaker 4: law enforcement is allowed and an't even encouraged to profile.
Speaker 4: They're encouraged to grab everybody. How many bodies did you
Speaker 4: get today? They want that three thousand body count of day.
Speaker 4: They don't care if you're legally legal or whatever. We
Speaker 4: watched how many American citizens have we seen beaten, being
Speaker 4: told they have no rights, being taken into custody, held
Speaker 4: for hours or even days. And there are American citizens.
Speaker 3: And this is happening.
Speaker 1: One thing I think a lot about, you know that meme,
Speaker 1: how like men think about the Roman Empire every day
Speaker 1: or I don't know if you've heard that or not. Well,
Speaker 1: I think about the Roman Republic more so. And one
Speaker 1: thing that's really interesting to me is that even after
Speaker 1: the republic fell and we started to see like you know,
Speaker 1: like like emperors didn't really comm emperors at the time, though,
Speaker 1: but they still kept a lot of the aesthetics of
Speaker 1: a republic. You know, they still had senators, they still
Speaker 1: had you know, like some like you know, like like
Speaker 1: elections to I think they were like the tribunals or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a little rusty now on that. But I
Speaker 1: really fear that we are kind of in this state
Speaker 1: right now. I feel like we look like the republic,
Speaker 1: but we have really moved towards autocracy. And I have
Speaker 1: one fear in one hope and then maybe I can
Speaker 1: shut up here. Which is my one fear is that like,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's probably gonna be Democrats to take power,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe again soon, and that they're just gonna
Speaker 1: kind of forget that eight years of Trump happened, and
Speaker 1: then they're just going to be so.
Speaker 3: Well, my hope is that they won't do anything to
Speaker 3: prevent it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we really need, I we we need something
Speaker 1: to save this democracy here, Like we need radical reforms.
Speaker 1: We need to really curb the power of the executive.
Speaker 1: We really need to make sure that like we can't
Speaker 1: have federal agents going like completely masked up, no bad
Speaker 1: showing in, kidnapping people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not having to identify themselves at all, Like that's
Speaker 4: never been It's always law enforcement is supposed to identify themselves.
Speaker 4: That's how you know they're really law enforcement. We've spent
Speaker 4: years and years and years pounding it into women's heads.
Speaker 4: If it doesn't look like it's a cop cock called
Speaker 4: nine one one and don't you know, and to be
Speaker 4: careful and people pretending and now they're just doing it.
Speaker 2: Well, law enforcement too tends to skew conservative. So for them,
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a great.
Speaker 3: Some law enforcement. This is great because yeah, they can
Speaker 3: do whatever they want and look at those accountable for
Speaker 3: the abuses that look at.
Speaker 2: The cops and conquered who let those They let the
Speaker 2: Nazis just get in their trucks and drive off.
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, they didn't drive off, No no, no,
Speaker 4: they climbed in the back of a uquaw, sat down
Speaker 4: and drove off. I'm sorry, I'm gonna say that. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna say the quiet pad out loud. If that color
Speaker 4: or the skin have been different, do you think they
Speaker 4: would have allowed them to pile in the back of
Speaker 4: a U haul and drive off, because that's what.
Speaker 2: Would have been beaten with clubs.
Speaker 1: Photop enhanceshur state troop or fiz pumping a proud boy
Speaker 1: like they are at the very least sympathetic to their causes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think also too, as we're disinvesting in things
Speaker 1: like education, healthcare, housing, we're seeing an increase in law
Speaker 1: enforcement at a time when crime is at an historic low.
Speaker 1: It's spiked during COVID, but crimates have returned in the
Speaker 1: general trend that they were going. So like my fear
Speaker 1: is that like as schools are being defunded, you know,
Speaker 1: like we we are adding to police departments, and we
Speaker 1: see this in like the federal level too, like we're
Speaker 1: cutting education funding for more ice agents. We are, you know,
Speaker 1: we're getting more and more money into the into these
Speaker 1: systems and again like ice, like ice agents are making
Speaker 1: more money than teachers.
Speaker 4: And they're talking about taking special education students out of
Speaker 4: the public class room and putting them into an institution again,
Speaker 4: a special building just for them. I mean, centuries of
Speaker 4: progress is being undone in a matter of months, and
Speaker 4: it's getting and people are stepping back and allowing it
Speaker 4: to happen. And that is just mind boggling to me.
Speaker 4: Like I thought we wanted our kids to be better, right,
Speaker 4: have a better world than us.
Speaker 1: Well, going back, we need to demand that our leaders
Speaker 1: can express a bold vision of how they're going to
Speaker 1: reverse the damage that has been done. And like we
Speaker 1: can't just keep having and I say we I again,
Speaker 1: I'm not a Democrat anymore, but I acknowledge I'm in
Speaker 1: a reluctant coalition with Democrats right because I am on
Speaker 1: the left here. But like, we can't just be saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: Republicans are so terrible, like we're going to undo what
Speaker 1: Trump did, which is what they do need to do,
Speaker 1: but they also need to start stating, like what do
Speaker 1: you actually believe? Like what are your solutions on healthcare?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like what are what are your solutions?
Speaker 3: Yet all the time in office? Why do you do
Speaker 3: something more for it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly. So I think that we need on the
Speaker 1: left really need to hold you know, the candidates that
Speaker 1: we support more accountable. Like we can't just have them,
Speaker 1: you know, voting and then receiving absolutely no feedback, no
Speaker 1: consequences from us. And I think that like, you know,
Speaker 1: we we we should be a little bit rude to
Speaker 1: them in my opinion when when called for Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like we can't just let we can't let the Democrats,
Speaker 1: you know, just return to the status quo. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of privilege, more wealthy, more white Democrats just
Speaker 1: kind of wish that we could return to two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight right now. Two thousand and eight wasn't working
Speaker 1: for a lot of Americans, right, you know, like the
Speaker 1: inability of this country to recover from the Great Recession
Speaker 1: is why we have Trump in the first place. And
Speaker 1: you know, like all these things that received bipartisan support,
Speaker 1: like NAFTA, I mean, those gutted industrial jobs and in
Speaker 1: those regions, that's where Trump really got his base of
Speaker 1: support right there, because both Democrats and Republicans sold out
Speaker 1: those union workers to ship those jobs to non union
Speaker 1: workers overseas, and Trump all he had to do is
Speaker 1: just occasionally refer to that fact. Now he he hasn't
Speaker 1: done anything really to rectify that at all. He really
Speaker 1: just kind of renamed after I forget what's even called
Speaker 1: at this point. But you know, like I think Americans
Speaker 1: are just like they're they're craving some sort of recognition
Speaker 1: of the harm that's going on. And I think they
Speaker 1: see that in Trump. I believe they saw that in Bernie,
Speaker 1: but they're not really seeing that like a whole lot
Speaker 1: of and a whole lot of other places. But do
Speaker 1: I say, like, we do have some good local candidates
Speaker 1: and even some people running for you know, CV one
Speaker 1: that like are talking about that. So like I don't
Speaker 1: want to be all doom in gloom like there there
Speaker 1: is hope. But you know, these folks, you know, are
Speaker 1: going to face a lot of opposition from the party itself.
Speaker 1: They have their chosen candidates that they want to win,
Speaker 1: who are.
Speaker 3: Not really that popular, and that's that's the problem.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, good, you got to get these old people,
Speaker 2: not to be ageists, but no way to avoid it.
Speaker 2: You got to get these old people out of there,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, you know, like like Chuck Schumer
Speaker 2: and you know, just just people who are who are
Speaker 2: past their uh. I mean, look what they did did
Speaker 2: with Diane Feinstein. I mean, she was she was non compassmentus.
Speaker 2: I mean, she was gone, and they wheeled her in.
Speaker 2: It was like weekend at Bernie's, right, They they wheeled
Speaker 2: her into vote. I mean, and it was elder abuse
Speaker 2: what they did to her. But I mean, but that's
Speaker 2: so emblematic of the Democratic Party, you know, and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, and Biden not to keep going back to that,
Speaker 2: but another example, there.
Speaker 4: Needs to be some new blood at the top to
Speaker 4: attract people, and especially here in New Hampshire.
Speaker 1: So so I was just talking to a member. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not gonna, like you know, out them
Speaker 1: here but you know, they are part of a Democratic
Speaker 1: committee here in New Hampshire in like a red rural area,
Speaker 1: and like they were thinking, like how do we get like,
Speaker 1: you know, like younger families involved with the party. And
Speaker 1: somebody had the idea of like, oh, what if like
Speaker 1: we have somebody like we pay like somebody's daughter granddaughter
Speaker 1: to like watch over some like kids. We'll have like
Speaker 1: a little play area where like we'll be in the
Speaker 1: same room but we'll be having the meeting. And the
Speaker 1: State Party said, legally we cannot provide childcare. Uh, don't
Speaker 1: do it. It's like you want new people to come in.
Speaker 1: You want like if you're talking about younger people. I
Speaker 1: know people think of like eighteen and twenty year olds,
Speaker 1: but like think about the people like you.
Speaker 3: Get people to show up at church. There's a daycare
Speaker 3: at the church. They're just volunteers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so here's the thing. Add add in like a
Speaker 1: few like thirty year old couples with kids to a
Speaker 1: Democratic Committee meeting and you will lower the average age. Right,
Speaker 1: You're bringing younger people in. But there seems to be
Speaker 1: like a resistance to change. Kah. I think again, it's
Speaker 1: because a lot of people that have power within the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party, are comfortable like they are wealthier, they are
Speaker 1: more white, and anything that's kind of like a threat
Speaker 1: to that power. I like to joke that progressives actually
Speaker 1: pose a bigger threat to the power of the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party than Republicans do, because if you're party chair of
Speaker 1: the hand your Democratic Party and you get absolutely wiped
Speaker 1: out by Republicans in the election, well, guess what, You're
Speaker 1: still party chair. You still get to put on all
Speaker 1: these fundraisers. Now if a progressive challenges you for your
Speaker 1: party seat right there, Oh, you don't have the access
Speaker 1: that you did. Right, So a lot of it is
Speaker 1: it's it's it's self preservation and an inability to change
Speaker 1: its obstinates.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, one hundred percent, I agree. I agree, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I agree. Well, I think on that note, we should
Speaker 2: we should start to wrap this one up. I think
Speaker 2: it's been a really good show, and of course we'll
Speaker 2: we'll do more of these, but anything else.
Speaker 3: Yes, check out the Union Leader tomorrow.
Speaker 4: There will be an op ed by yours truly regarding
Speaker 4: transportation issues.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, tomorrow and the Manchester Union Leader.
Speaker 1: Please send me a link once it's hosted.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely very good, very good. And of course Jenny,
Speaker 2: you can people can follow all of your everything that
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Speaker 4: I may or may not be getting into here or
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Speaker 2: And of course people can follow me at my website.
Speaker 2: Matt Connorton dot com and Brandon for people who want
Speaker 2: to know, this has been wonderful, thank you for joining us,
Speaker 2: and for people for people who want to know how
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Speaker 1: you know, basic necessities to those who are housing insecure
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Speaker 1: I'd recommend if you don't know what to do, go
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Speaker 2: Yeah, excellent, that sounds that sounds fantastic. Well, thank you
Speaker 2: Brandon and everyone who joined us on the live stream.
Speaker 2: Thank you, and of course everyone else who gets this
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Speaker 2: So Brandon, thank you, and Jenny, thank you and we'll
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