Charles Richardson | Matt Connarton Unleashed

0:00 Speaker 1: And joining us online right now. Charles Richardson from The

0:05 Speaker 1: Charles Richardson Show, Charles, are you there?

0:08 Speaker 2: Yes? Also president accounted for yes, yes.

0:12 Speaker 3: Wo wow, you brought a crowd. I love it. A

0:14 Speaker 3: studio audience. How are you, man? How are you?

0:18 Speaker 2: Absolutely? This has been this is being recorded in front

0:21 Speaker 2: of a live studio audience.

0:22 Speaker 3: That's amazing.

0:23 Speaker 2: But not really.

0:24 Speaker 3: Oh okay, I was gonna say.

0:26 Speaker 2: I'm listening to I was listening to the intro. I

0:29 Speaker 2: was just coming out and said, listen. Even Will Ferrell's

0:32 Speaker 2: movies have a only a significant number of outtakes. I

0:37 Speaker 2: mean that was just that was that was brutal. So

0:40 Speaker 2: I'm glad they could get done. Yeah it.

0:44 Speaker 3: It just took a little bit. But I love outtakes.

0:49 Speaker 2: So now things are right down here. It's not ninety

0:53 Speaker 2: eight and sweating, so but it is what it is

0:55 Speaker 2: in Florida.

0:56 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

0:57 Speaker 1: I always get a little bit because here, you know,

1:01 Speaker 1: you get to this point in August it starts to

1:03 Speaker 1: cool off, and I get a little melancholy about it

1:06 Speaker 1: because summer is my favorite time of year. I love summer,

1:08 Speaker 1: and when it starts slipping away, it's like I don't

1:12 Speaker 1: like it. I don't mind the heat, you know, so,

1:16 Speaker 1: but it's humid where you.

1:17 Speaker 2: Are, right, Yeah?

1:20 Speaker 3: Most people, most people think I'm strange.

1:21 Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of winter, So whenever it starts

1:24 Speaker 1: to feel too hot to me, I just think about

1:26 Speaker 1: winter and how much I don't like the cold, and

1:28 Speaker 1: then I'm fine. I can live with it pretty easily.

1:33 Speaker 2: Then you, you and I need to like trade place,

1:36 Speaker 2: get back up the mine down here where where you're comfortable?

1:40 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so?

1:42 Speaker 2: Uh now how would how would Jenny? How would Jenny

1:46 Speaker 2: treat the heat down here?

1:48 Speaker 4: I actually spent a lot of my childhood in Florida.

1:51 Speaker 4: Nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.

1:53 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, Jenny does not do well in humidity, right, Jenny, no.

2:00 Speaker 5: Ramps up symptoms, so I end up stuck in the

2:03 Speaker 5: air conditioning.

2:04 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so, which I never used to.

2:07 Speaker 4: Be one for air conditioning, right, Likes what is it

2:10 Speaker 4: hot a week in the summer?

2:11 Speaker 3: Yeah? We don't need that right now?

2:13 Speaker 5: It's like, is there ever a week I'm not running it?

2:16 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah.

2:17 Speaker 1: It's gonna be about eighty six today, so not not bad.

2:21 Speaker 1: But yeah when it gets up above ninety, yeah, then

2:24 Speaker 1: Jenny's usually ready for the air conditioning. But so, now,

2:29 Speaker 1: do you want to give us any before we I

2:31 Speaker 1: know we're going to talk some wrestling and and I

2:34 Speaker 1: don't know if you've been listening to the Tough Pumps

2:37 Speaker 1: podcast Eric Pilch and I do. And by the way,

2:39 Speaker 1: I did invite Eric to join us if you wanted,

2:41 Speaker 1: but I know with his schedule it might not be

2:43 Speaker 1: possible for him.

2:43 Speaker 3: So but if not, he'll hear this later.

2:45 Speaker 1: But do you want to give us a do you

2:47 Speaker 1: want to talk at all about the Charles Richardson Show?

2:49 Speaker 1: For because longtime listeners of this program are familiar with

2:53 Speaker 1: you and with the Charles Richardson Show, of course, but

2:54 Speaker 1: you haven't been on with us in a while, so

2:56 Speaker 1: newer listeners might not know. So for the uninitiated, do

2:59 Speaker 1: you want to tell us about about your show?

3:03 Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, it's a it's a very lame comparison to

3:06 Speaker 2: your show, Don't do so. It is basically a hodgepodge

3:14 Speaker 2: of topics that were just throwing together, uh, some humorous,

3:17 Speaker 2: some serious. Uh. Me and my wife usually do it.

3:20 Speaker 2: We do have a couple of other co hosts have

3:23 Speaker 2: recently joined us. That kind of pop in and out

3:25 Speaker 2: every now and then. So I'm getting back to a

3:29 Speaker 2: formula where it's gonna be more fun. We uh, I

3:32 Speaker 2: think Monday's show we had not Monday, it's the last

3:35 Speaker 2: Wednesday show. We had everybody join us. So with those

3:39 Speaker 2: like four co hosts on there, so I was able

3:42 Speaker 2: to run Jeopardy. Uh So it was actually it was

3:45 Speaker 2: actually pretty cool the first time I had.

3:46 Speaker 3: A game on.

3:47 Speaker 2: Oh in so long, and it was so much fun

3:51 Speaker 2: it and time flow. It was just like, man, we

3:54 Speaker 2: gotta go already. Yeah, so it was a lot of

3:57 Speaker 2: fun to have a whole bunch of people on.

3:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, No doubt. And what's the schedule for

4:02 Speaker 1: the show?

4:02 Speaker 3: When are you on?

4:06 Speaker 2: Whenever I feel like it? No, So it's Monday and

4:08 Speaker 2: Monday and Wednesday is the scheduled days eight pm to

4:11 Speaker 2: ten pm Eastern Time. And we're on primarily Facebook and YouTube.

4:18 Speaker 2: And my flagship station now is a music station, no

4:22 Speaker 2: competitive to yours. It's called Power one Radio. It's the

4:27 Speaker 2: number one and we primarily played twenty four to seven,

4:31 Speaker 2: with the exception of the show eighties and nineties dancing

4:34 Speaker 2: Oh okay, tempo high energy. If you ever do that, that.

4:38 Speaker 2: That's awesome and Christian. If you still want to DJ,

4:41 Speaker 2: you're welcome to if you want.

4:42 Speaker 1: Oh interesting, interesting? What are they looking for or are you?

4:47 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how much involvement you

4:50 Speaker 1: have in that station, Like is the station looking for DJs?

4:55 Speaker 2: It's it's it's my it's my personal creation, and.

4:57 Speaker 3: It is Oh so you are, oh very cool.

5:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't have a lot of like

5:06 Speaker 2: involvement right now. I'm just kind of like overshadowing. I'm

5:09 Speaker 2: like a silent partner to my own partner, okay.

5:11 Speaker 3: To me.

5:13 Speaker 2: So it's it's like I make sure the station is running,

5:17 Speaker 2: and I have the the the sweepers and everything that

5:21 Speaker 2: are running through, and I make sure the bills are paid.

5:24 Speaker 2: But as far as getting a lineup going, it wasn't

5:29 Speaker 2: like it used to be like around five six years ago,

5:31 Speaker 2: where I actually had a weekend lineup, hip hop lineup

5:35 Speaker 2: on Wednesday, Monday, we had a techno lineup, so it

5:39 Speaker 2: was it was pretty interactive back then. But eventually, when

5:44 Speaker 2: I go ahead and get a little bit more time,

5:45 Speaker 2: I'll go ahead and ramp it up. But yeah, that's

5:48 Speaker 2: primarily where the show runs Facebook, YouTube and that station

5:53 Speaker 2: just searched the Charles Richardson Show for all my Facebook

5:57 Speaker 2: crap and YouTube crap.

5:59 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah uh.

6:00 Speaker 1: And of course people can google it to You're very

6:03 Speaker 1: googleable if you're looking for the show. You know, it's

6:06 Speaker 1: funny you mentioned you mentioned about you know, not always

6:10 Speaker 1: necessarily being consistent with with when it's on. I've been

6:13 Speaker 1: having conversations with people recently about because you know, obviously,

6:18 Speaker 1: when you're doing a show on FM radio, you know,

6:21 Speaker 1: we're we're in a set time, you know, every week.

6:23 Speaker 1: But with the podcasting, because I have a couple of

6:27 Speaker 1: different podcasts that I'm involved in, like Tough Bumps that

6:30 Speaker 1: I do with Eric, and there's another there's a political

6:33 Speaker 1: podcast that I'm doing now called Hanging Left with Todd Air.

6:36 Speaker 1: And we've even brought back the podcast version of this

6:41 Speaker 1: show for you know, conversations and things that we want

6:43 Speaker 1: to do that are not that do not fit the

6:45 Speaker 1: current format of the radio version of the show.

6:48 Speaker 3: But we haven't been doing those.

6:50 Speaker 1: None of the podcasts that I'm currently doing are on

6:52 Speaker 1: any particular schedule. Because I've noticed over the past few years,

6:58 Speaker 1: especially that a lot of and this is something I

7:02 Speaker 1: talk about with Todd about the political podcast that we do,

7:06 Speaker 1: because I use as an example a lot of the

7:08 Speaker 1: political streamers now, like the ones you see, especially the

7:10 Speaker 1: ones you see on Twitch. There's a lot of political

7:12 Speaker 1: streamers on Twitch, but then they also stream on YouTube.

7:16 Speaker 1: They're not really on a set schedule. They're using more

7:19 Speaker 1: of the it's on when it's on approach, but they

7:22 Speaker 1: have a lot of success with it because what they

7:23 Speaker 1: do is, you know, they really build up their social

7:27 Speaker 1: media accounts, They get as many people as they can

7:29 Speaker 1: on social media, and then when they're going live, a

7:32 Speaker 1: notification goes out I'm live, and then people see the

7:35 Speaker 1: notifications and they either join the show or they just

7:38 Speaker 1: get it later, right, because that's that's one of the

7:40 Speaker 1: great things about a podcast. You can access it whenever

7:43 Speaker 1: you want to, and that formula seems to be working

7:46 Speaker 1: really well. There's a lot of successful streamers that they're

7:48 Speaker 1: not on a set schedule.

7:50 Speaker 3: They it's on when it's on.

7:52 Speaker 1: If you see it live, great, you see the notification

7:54 Speaker 1: you click in live great, If not, you get it later.

7:57 Speaker 1: You know it's going out on all the podcasting platforms anyway,

8:00 Speaker 1: so it almost doesn't matter and I feel like that's

8:02 Speaker 1: the way things are going. I mean, what's your thought

8:06 Speaker 1: on that?

8:08 Speaker 2: My thought is that is a great way. If you're

8:11 Speaker 2: a social media mongol like that and you can market

8:16 Speaker 2: and you can do all that stuff, that's a great

8:18 Speaker 2: way to do it. Me. I've been dreaming of being

8:22 Speaker 2: a radio announcer since I was ten. Yeah, I got

8:26 Speaker 2: I got my my itch when I heard a talk

8:29 Speaker 2: show and this guy was just being edgy. I'm thinking,

8:32 Speaker 2: that's who I want to be. I want to do

8:34 Speaker 2: that that. I want to be heard on multiple stations

8:37 Speaker 2: all over the country. I want to be that. And

8:40 Speaker 2: it wasn't how it's turned. It was a local dude

8:42 Speaker 2: in Miami. But that's who I want to be. Yeah,

8:45 Speaker 2: And ever since then, that's kind of what I have

8:49 Speaker 2: this show done for. It's yes, I'm not making any

8:53 Speaker 2: money on it. I don't. I do it for the

8:55 Speaker 2: love of it because this is what I've always dreamed

8:57 Speaker 2: of want to be. It's something I have a drive

8:59 Speaker 2: for or thirty plus years, I'm still I'm still gunning

9:04 Speaker 2: with the microphone. Hell transforming my garage now we're actually

9:09 Speaker 2: finally got the money to transform it, building it into

9:12 Speaker 2: a studio slash art area for my wife and this

9:16 Speaker 2: this this, this separate bedroom where I'm in right now

9:21 Speaker 2: is going to be now my kids play area. But

9:25 Speaker 2: still with the idea of doing a show, expanding it,

9:29 Speaker 2: not making any money on it. That just shows you,

9:32 Speaker 2: like kind of like in depth of how I want

9:35 Speaker 2: to be. And yes, you're right, it's whenever I can.

9:38 Speaker 2: But I want to fit a schedule. I do want

9:41 Speaker 2: to keep a schedule, like I'm on that FM radio

9:44 Speaker 2: or on radio. I want to keep that type of

9:46 Speaker 2: schedule because I like doing live. I think if I

9:50 Speaker 2: had the reach, If I had the reach, I'd be better.

9:53 Speaker 2: Interactive live podcast is like I mean, it's a certain

10:00 Speaker 2: niche for certain people. I mean, if you have my

10:04 Speaker 2: one good friend who does a wrestling podcast which I'm

10:06 Speaker 2: on now, he actually does his recordings usually one or

10:11 Speaker 2: two days a week, depending on how he feels, and

10:13 Speaker 2: he records it and drops it, and he's able to

10:16 Speaker 2: be successful with he's market it and advertise it. I'm

10:20 Speaker 2: not a marketing guy, so that's where I lack. If

10:23 Speaker 2: I was a marketing guy, I'd probably be as popular

10:25 Speaker 2: as Logan Paul or Joe Rogan right, right, I'd be

10:28 Speaker 2: I'd be raking at the dollars, but unfortunately that's not me.

10:34 Speaker 1: So, what's the podcast that you're doing? Tell us about it?

10:38 Speaker 1: The wrestling podcast.

10:39 Speaker 2: So the podcast is the podcast that's called the Josh

10:43 Speaker 2: Zodiac Podcast. It stars him his brother called the Psycho Nerd.

10:49 Speaker 2: Don't even ask me and and myself. So, and there's

10:56 Speaker 2: a there's another co host that he's that he's brought

10:59 Speaker 2: on and she's pretty good too. She's very knowledgeable. And

11:02 Speaker 2: when we were doing the the live pl e's I

11:05 Speaker 2: do the live recording. He does the podcast. So when

11:08 Speaker 2: there's a live pl E a big one, I'm usually

11:12 Speaker 2: the one that does it through my channel and he

11:14 Speaker 2: joins in with with everybody and you know, we cover

11:17 Speaker 2: the matches. Yeah, but but he does this it's like

11:21 Speaker 2: an hour. It's it's an hour podcast and discuss various

11:24 Speaker 2: different topics, usually about Ross SmackDown and what's going on

11:28 Speaker 2: with the next ple e or other wrestling rumors, like

11:32 Speaker 2: we talked about Hogan, we talked about Carrying Cross and

11:36 Speaker 2: Scarlett not being re signed. We talked about how bad

11:40 Speaker 2: they are. It's just it's just completely uh all over

11:46 Speaker 2: the place wrestling. So it's like, you know, we don't

11:48 Speaker 2: discuss because I know, Tough Bumps, you focused on one

11:51 Speaker 2: topic and you guys go on it for for however

11:53 Speaker 2: long the show is maybe two. Not well you talk

11:56 Speaker 2: about several topics.

11:58 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we actually do. We actually do several topics

12:01 Speaker 1: on on Tough Bumps. What we do is so we

12:03 Speaker 1: have the main event. Every week, we pick a subject

12:06 Speaker 1: that we're going to cover in depth, and then but

12:08 Speaker 1: we also have the undercard, and the undercard is usually

12:11 Speaker 1: two or three subjects that we're we cover kind of

12:15 Speaker 1: a short we have briefer conversations about leading up to

12:18 Speaker 1: the main event.

12:18 Speaker 3: So then the main event.

12:19 Speaker 1: Will be whatever it is, like, uh like this past weekend,

12:23 Speaker 1: the main event was AW kind of the history of

12:25 Speaker 1: ae W. So we kinda we kind of do it

12:29 Speaker 1: that way. But I mean that's but that's another great

12:32 Speaker 1: thing about podcasting too, is you know you can do

12:34 Speaker 1: it anyway.

12:34 Speaker 3: You want to.

12:35 Speaker 1: There's no there's no rules, there's no format to follow.

12:39 Speaker 1: You know, you can it can change, it can evolve,

12:41 Speaker 1: it can devolve, it can you know however you want to,

12:44 Speaker 1: however you want to do it. I feel like you've

12:47 Speaker 1: have you worked with Josh Zodiac before. The reason I

12:50 Speaker 1: ask is I've heard that name and I think I've

12:51 Speaker 1: heard you mentioned the name before Josh Zodiac.

12:55 Speaker 2: No, I've actually just recently come on to his UH

13:00 Speaker 2: podcast UH as an official co host. He had me

13:04 Speaker 2: on a guest a couple of times. But it's like, hey, listen,

13:07 Speaker 2: you're really good. I like you the interaction that we have.

13:10 Speaker 2: So it's like, I want to do a code something,

13:12 Speaker 2: sure if you want, absolutely, so Okay, Usually every Saturday

13:15 Speaker 2: we do we do a show or he records and uh,

13:19 Speaker 2: but no, it's it's only been for a few months now.

13:21 Speaker 1: Oh cool, Okay, I may I may have heard of

13:22 Speaker 1: him elsewhere then I might have U, I might have

13:25 Speaker 1: seen something of Eric, might even know him.

13:27 Speaker 3: I don't know. No, that's very cool. That's very cool.

13:29 Speaker 1: And and and then so when of the wheer the

13:31 Speaker 1: new episodes come out? When should people look for him?

13:34 Speaker 2: Is it two a week Sunday? Usually it's it's just

13:38 Speaker 2: it's just one a week. Usually they drop on Sunday.

13:41 Speaker 3: Okay, he is.

13:44 Speaker 2: We're taking September off and then we're gonna ramp up

13:47 Speaker 2: afterwards to get ready for or after Survivor series and

13:52 Speaker 2: then we'll go ahead and jump back into it. But

13:54 Speaker 2: I may I may do Survivor series on my end,

13:58 Speaker 2: because I know I think that what that's two nights

14:00 Speaker 2: now again.

14:01 Speaker 3: The Survivor series two nights and one night.

14:03 Speaker 2: I figure, yeah, I don't know. I think they're all

14:06 Speaker 2: going to two nights for crying out loud. That's what

14:10 Speaker 2: WW is all about right now, is that they're all

14:12 Speaker 2: about making money. And it's just really sad of how

14:16 Speaker 2: how downtry it is with the new ESPN deal going on.

14:19 Speaker 2: It's like, gee, whiz, guys. I mean, listen, you're already

14:22 Speaker 2: you're already firing up and everything. How about giving the

14:25 Speaker 2: fans a break?

14:26 Speaker 3: Huh yeah, it is.

14:27 Speaker 2: Uh, it's just crazy.

14:29 Speaker 5: I am not buying ESPN. No, I am not buying it.

14:32 Speaker 5: They can pound Sand.

14:34 Speaker 3: I'm done.

14:34 Speaker 5: Well, I already have.

14:36 Speaker 4: I got I got Netflix to watch raw, I got

14:39 Speaker 4: Peacock to watch PL's, I got you know, I gotta

14:43 Speaker 4: go to empty different places to watch.

14:45 Speaker 5: Stuff to begin with. I'm done. I'm not chasing them

14:48 Speaker 5: to ESPN Pound Sand.

14:51 Speaker 2: Well. So I heard that if you already subscribe to ESPN,

14:55 Speaker 2: do your linear cable subscription. I think you're covered. Yeah

15:01 Speaker 2: to go.

15:01 Speaker 5: No, I don't do cable.

15:02 Speaker 1: We cut the We cut the court a long time ago. Yeah,

15:05 Speaker 1: we don't have cable. We cut the court a long

15:07 Speaker 1: time ago.

15:08 Speaker 5: Ridiculous costs.

15:09 Speaker 3: It won't do it.

15:10 Speaker 1: It's so expensive for But now in terms of though,

15:13 Speaker 1: and this is a conversation that I had with Eric

15:15 Speaker 1: on Tough Bumps, the easy workaround is you just get

15:18 Speaker 1: a you know, you can get a VPN for like

15:20 Speaker 1: six bucks a month and connect to it because the

15:22 Speaker 1: pols will still be available internationally on Netflix, just not

15:26 Speaker 1: in the US. So you just get a you just

15:28 Speaker 1: get a VPN. Netflix doesn't know where you're connecting from.

15:32 Speaker 1: You can have access to everything.

15:34 Speaker 2: I mean really or just or just or just contact

15:38 Speaker 2: me after the show and I'll go ahead and give

15:40 Speaker 2: you information about you know, adding you on to my

15:42 Speaker 2: family subscription on YouTube TV.

15:44 Speaker 4: Ooh, well, I I agree with what you were saying before,

15:50 Speaker 4: and now it just went out of my head.

15:52 Speaker 3: Oh about it it being so expensive now to be

15:54 Speaker 3: a fan? Yeah, right, it's really.

15:56 Speaker 4: It really gives something back to the fans, hih. I

15:58 Speaker 4: mean we spend enough money by and i'mpting different subscriptions

16:01 Speaker 4: to watch I'm doing different things, and you know, but

16:04 Speaker 4: I agree with you one hundred percent, and I hate

16:06 Speaker 4: the direction they're going in. I don't like the way

16:09 Speaker 4: they're treating talent, especially truth that.

16:16 Speaker 2: Yeah right, I think talent's being treated a lot better

16:19 Speaker 2: than they were with Vince. To be honest with you,

16:21 Speaker 2: there may be some one offs, yes, for for talent

16:24 Speaker 2: that I think. I think Truth was brought back based

16:28 Speaker 2: on fan pressure, which if you think about it, wouldn't

16:32 Speaker 2: have not affected Vince one bit. But because the fans

16:36 Speaker 2: are calling out for names, Triple H is listening to

16:40 Speaker 2: the fans. So I think the talent is treated a

16:44 Speaker 2: lot better nowadays.

16:45 Speaker 5: I agree, Well maybe a little bit in that regard.

16:48 Speaker 4: But to drop somebody with no notice, no nothing, just ah,

16:53 Speaker 4: yeah we've been with us for decades, but goodbye, see

16:55 Speaker 4: it hour get out. That's the way that they've dropped people,

17:00 Speaker 4: you know, is awful. They don't have discussions with them.

17:03 Speaker 4: They just wait till the end and then go, oh,

17:04 Speaker 4: yeah you're gone.

17:06 Speaker 5: And people have been with them, people their lives are invested.

17:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how you treat.

17:11 Speaker 2: People before, Jenny, they they've they've they've done massive cuts

17:16 Speaker 2: before just to save mine. They've done that way before.

17:20 Speaker 2: The truth. Yeah, it's just the fact of the matter

17:22 Speaker 2: that Truth is such a such is so beloved. Yeah,

17:27 Speaker 2: he's such a he's basically and I guarantee you when

17:31 Speaker 2: he retires, he finally hangs up his boots, I guarantee you,

17:34 Speaker 2: he's going to be an ambassador.

17:36 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he'll always have some sort of a connection

17:38 Speaker 3: to the company. I'm sure. Yeah, regardless, but uh not.

17:41 Speaker 4: The only one though that they just drop like that. Well, yeah,

17:45 Speaker 4: been around forever and it's just you're gone.

17:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think. I do think though, with with

17:50 Speaker 1: some people. I mean, if you reach a point where

17:51 Speaker 1: you don't think you can, you know, then have a.

17:54 Speaker 5: Discussion with him. Be honest, don't be like Cross all

17:57 Speaker 5: the get to hear.

17:58 Speaker 1: Well, they carrying Cross seems like a unique situation.

18:02 Speaker 3: Did you watch did you watch him? Excuse me, I'm

18:05 Speaker 3: losing my voice, Charles? Did you watch?

18:07 Speaker 1: Jenny and I watched both the documentary The Killer Cross

18:11 Speaker 1: Part two slash My Contract Just Ended or whatever it's called.

18:15 Speaker 1: And we watched the Ariel Helwane interview where Carrion Cross

18:20 Speaker 1: to me comes across no pun intended really well and

18:24 Speaker 1: in the documentary, both he and Scarlett come across really well,

18:27 Speaker 1: and it's easy to have a lot of sympathy for them.

18:30 Speaker 3: Did you watch either of those or both of those?

18:34 Speaker 2: No? Unfortunately I can't say I have. Yeah, but here's

18:37 Speaker 2: my take on Carrion's I'm gonna be honest with you,

18:40 Speaker 2: and this is just what I see. Either Creative has

18:44 Speaker 2: dropped the ball massively, yes, or Carrion just does not

18:49 Speaker 2: get over with the fans at all. I mean he

18:52 Speaker 2: number one. If you take a look at in ring work,

18:55 Speaker 2: I can see why the guy only wrestles one time

18:58 Speaker 2: a year. The guy's dan dress. You think that that match,

19:03 Speaker 2: that match is nami zaye. Literally I saw one or

19:07 Speaker 2: two inches where he could be paralyzed. The Yeah, it was.

19:15 Speaker 2: It was some scary stuff. Me, me and Joshua We're

19:18 Speaker 2: talking about that match, and it's like, yeah, he is unsafe.

19:22 Speaker 2: He is unsafe. It's it's not a good performance at all.

19:27 Speaker 2: His character is lackluster at best. I loved it when

19:32 Speaker 2: he was with AOP and had the final testament. That

19:38 Speaker 2: was where he That is where I think he should.

19:43 Speaker 2: He needs to be surrounded by talent. He cannot hold

19:46 Speaker 2: himself with his character, he cannot. So either creative is

19:52 Speaker 2: dropping the ball finding nothing legitimate that he can do well,

19:57 Speaker 2: or he just excuse French sucks and he just needs

20:03 Speaker 2: to go.

20:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would.

20:04 Speaker 1: I would definitely put it on creative because you know,

20:08 Speaker 1: just hearing the guy talk, even in see I've always

20:10 Speaker 1: been impressed with him in in interviews, various podcast interviews

20:16 Speaker 1: I've seen with him over the years and whatnot. He's

20:18 Speaker 1: so articulate and so interesting. It's like, how do you

20:21 Speaker 1: not find something to do with this guy? And then

20:24 Speaker 1: in recent days when he did that that promo that

20:27 Speaker 1: was like a worked shoot where you know he did

20:30 Speaker 1: he did that that promo after WrestleMania where he was

20:32 Speaker 1: complaining about not being on the show and and he

20:34 Speaker 1: threw down the microphone and said that's killer cross and everything.

20:38 Speaker 1: And then people really got behind him after that, and

20:41 Speaker 1: apparently his merchandise sales through WWE dot com spiked massively,

20:47 Speaker 1: and his book, his new book that just came out,

20:50 Speaker 1: Life is Fighting, is doing very well. So there's clearly

20:53 Speaker 1: the fans want him, they want to get behind him.

20:56 Speaker 1: I put it all on creative. How do you not

20:58 Speaker 1: make money with this guy? And I've always felt that

21:01 Speaker 1: like they they they did well with him in NXT

21:03 Speaker 1: when Triple H was running NXT, but then you know,

21:06 Speaker 1: they brought him up to the main roster, Vince was

21:08 Speaker 1: still in charge, so Vince immediately ruined him. They released him,

21:12 Speaker 1: they brought him back, and then they's like they can't

21:13 Speaker 1: figure out what to do with him, and it's like,

21:15 Speaker 1: how do you not find something for this guy to do?

21:18 Speaker 3: You know, I don't know, I.

21:22 Speaker 2: Not not every NXT champion or or somebody that's rising

21:29 Speaker 2: up from NXT goes to the main roster and succeeds.

21:32 Speaker 2: It's it's just not that. And also there may be

21:35 Speaker 2: other works behind the scenes. There could be some back back, Uh,

21:40 Speaker 2: there could be some drama going on backstage. There could

21:43 Speaker 2: be some obviously creative differences, I'm sure backstage. But the

21:50 Speaker 2: thing is, though, just just seeing what I've seen on camera,

21:55 Speaker 2: it's very bland. It's it's it's not it's not entertaining

22:00 Speaker 2: for me at least. I mean again, it sounds like

22:02 Speaker 2: you and Jenny feel differently, but it's not entertaining for me.

22:06 Speaker 2: And and and I find his wrestling style is very dangerous.

22:12 Speaker 1: I will say, I don't think his ring work. I've

22:14 Speaker 1: never noticed the dangerous aspect of that, but I would

22:18 Speaker 1: be curious. Like Jenny said, you know, maybe we'll go

22:20 Speaker 1: back and watch that match. But I will say I've

22:24 Speaker 1: never found his ringwork to be particularly spectacular. Like I

22:27 Speaker 1: don't expect to hear a this is awesome chant during

22:30 Speaker 1: a Carrion cross match.

22:31 Speaker 3: No, but but again, it's it's it's it's.

22:34 Speaker 2: Far but it's it's far from spectacularly. It's down it's

22:38 Speaker 2: downright bad. It really is the the I don't know,

22:43 Speaker 2: because listen, when you take a look and you're inside

22:45 Speaker 2: that ring, you are dancing with your dance partner. I mean, yes,

22:50 Speaker 2: it's kind of sad to say because they're wearing tight

22:52 Speaker 2: tight shorts and everything like that, and you know, it's

22:55 Speaker 2: just you just think about that. It's just like, Okay,

22:58 Speaker 2: you're dancing with the dude, all right, whatever, But they're

23:00 Speaker 2: dancing your dance partner. Somebody has to lead, somebody has

23:04 Speaker 2: to Communication is always a spot, Sammy Zain, whether it

23:10 Speaker 2: be with Jay Usso, whether it be with the Bloodline,

23:14 Speaker 2: whether it be with Kevin Owens, Sammy Zaine's beautiful, he's

23:19 Speaker 2: he he twinkled, toes around that ring like nobody ever. Sure, great,

23:25 Speaker 2: I Seemy carrying crussing, and I'm almost ready to cry

23:29 Speaker 2: because there is no twinkle toes. Something's off and it's

23:33 Speaker 2: can't be Sammy because I've seen Sammy interact with other

23:36 Speaker 2: wrestlers and he is just beautiful. It's great. It's artwork.

23:40 Speaker 2: It's not art, it's it's just it's maybe it's not dangerous,

23:45 Speaker 2: but it's just not good.

23:47 Speaker 1: I do think they had a good match at SummerSlam.

23:49 Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought it was very good.

23:52 Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, I didn't have any complaints

23:54 Speaker 1: about it, certainly.

23:57 Speaker 2: But I think the I think the drum and the interaction,

24:01 Speaker 2: the interference with Scarlet with the bar, Yeah, I like that.

24:06 Speaker 2: But there was a couple of bumps there where I

24:08 Speaker 2: was like, please get up, Sammy, please get up, Please

24:10 Speaker 2: don't do the referee, don't do the x uh. It's

24:14 Speaker 2: just it's there's there's some of the bumps that I

24:16 Speaker 2: just taught like, I mean, okay, that didn't look that

24:19 Speaker 2: didn't look good.

24:20 Speaker 3: I do have to acknowledge.

24:21 Speaker 1: My favorite part of any carrying cross match has always

24:23 Speaker 1: been the entrance. I think the entrance is incredible. I

24:27 Speaker 1: think I think that I think that's the whole thing

24:29 Speaker 1: is really good. But but he also said.

24:32 Speaker 2: It is the best part of carrying cross is the entrance.

24:36 Speaker 2: You're absolutely right.

24:37 Speaker 1: He did say during the uh the Ariel hill Wana

24:40 Speaker 1: interview too that uh they so you said you didn't

24:44 Speaker 1: watch it, correct, He said that, uh No, He said

24:48 Speaker 1: that it's it's really it's really good. But he said

24:51 Speaker 1: that they they did make him an offer. It's not

24:54 Speaker 1: that they didn't make him an offer. They did make

24:56 Speaker 1: him an offer. But there were two things that there

24:59 Speaker 1: were a problem. One is he wanted to know how

25:00 Speaker 1: they arrived at that number. So I assume it was

25:02 Speaker 1: a low number because he again, there's been a just recently,

25:07 Speaker 1: there was a pretty big spike in his merchandise sales apparently,

25:09 Speaker 1: so they wanted to know how they arrived at number

25:11 Speaker 1: at that number. He didn't say no, He just said,

25:14 Speaker 1: you know, let's continue the conversation. And the other sticking

25:16 Speaker 1: point was they did not offer her Scarlet anything. They

25:19 Speaker 1: offered him a new deal. They did not offer Scarlet

25:21 Speaker 1: a new deal. And he says that what they told

25:23 Speaker 1: him was that they would sign him. Let's get your

25:28 Speaker 1: deal locked in and then we'll we'll figure out Scarlet,

25:31 Speaker 1: which I can understand him being very concerned about that

25:35 Speaker 1: for two reasons. Number One, she's a huge part of

25:37 Speaker 1: the act. You know, it's hard to imagine him without her.

25:41 Speaker 1: But also I would be worried about Okay, so you

25:44 Speaker 1: want to sign me, You want me to hurry up

25:46 Speaker 1: and sign this deal and then we'll and then we'll

25:49 Speaker 1: deal with Scarlet afterward. I'm worried that there's not going

25:53 Speaker 1: to be a follow through there. Okay, I'm going to

25:54 Speaker 1: sign this deal that you, for some reason, are in

25:57 Speaker 1: such a hurry for me to go ahead and sign,

25:58 Speaker 1: because you're telling me, if I don't sign it in

26:00 Speaker 1: twenty four hours, you're rescinding the offer. No ongoing contract negotiations.

26:04 Speaker 1: I either signed this or you resinned, and then I'm

26:06 Speaker 1: supposed to just trust you that then you're going to

26:10 Speaker 1: talk to Scarlet or we're going to sit down and

26:13 Speaker 1: negotiate something for Scarlett as well. That that is. That

26:16 Speaker 1: sounded pretty sketchy to me, So I don't blame him

26:20 Speaker 1: for saying no, agreed.

26:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, because listen, what does my

26:25 Speaker 2: deal have to do with Scarlett? Scarlett has her own deal.

26:28 Speaker 2: How about we get Scarlett on board first, Yeah, and

26:32 Speaker 2: then talk to me. I think, honestly, it's a way

26:34 Speaker 2: to go ahead and break this two apart. Because number one,

26:37 Speaker 2: Scarlet's not a wrestler. She has not wrestled. She is

26:40 Speaker 2: a valet. I think she hasn't she has, Unfortunately, I think, you.

26:44 Speaker 3: Know, I thought she had wrestled in the net to.

26:47 Speaker 2: My recollection, if she had had a long time.

26:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, probably been a long time. But I mean, I

26:52 Speaker 1: know she takes bumps and everything. I thought she had

26:54 Speaker 1: wrestled at one time. I'm looking it up now.

26:56 Speaker 2: Yes, she she probably has trained before. Yeah, definitely look

27:01 Speaker 2: it up. Yeah, but she's probably trained before to go

27:04 Speaker 2: ahead and said bumps. But she's primarily of VLA, and

27:07 Speaker 2: I don't think WWE, especially with them cracking down on

27:11 Speaker 2: salary and everything like that, I don't think they're gonna

27:13 Speaker 2: go ahead and pay a VLA, which is weird. You're

27:16 Speaker 2: going ahead and bumping up to ESPN for thirty dollars

27:19 Speaker 2: a month. You're already telling people to pay for Netflix

27:22 Speaker 2: for raw, and you're cutting salary really okay, I mean

27:28 Speaker 2: you know, I don't get it.

27:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking on Wikipedia, it looks like for the Yeah.

27:37 Speaker 2: And Rosso and they're also bumping up because they said

27:42 Speaker 2: when they signed this deal with ESPN that their first

27:45 Speaker 2: pl e was gonna be wrestle Mania next year. They're

27:49 Speaker 2: bumping it up to like, yep, something called Russell Polluta

27:52 Speaker 2: yep for in September yep, y she with.

27:58 Speaker 4: I think their money. I think they're greedy as heck.

28:02 Speaker 4: They got that company's got so much money now then

28:05 Speaker 4: Nicol and Diamond, the artists who are contracted, they don't

28:09 Speaker 4: get healthcare. They got to pay their own healthcare everything else. Right,

28:13 Speaker 4: That's why I think people don't understand that sometimes too,

28:15 Speaker 4: because they think they're employees, right, They're non employees. They're

28:19 Speaker 4: independent contractor yep. They got to work around from the

28:23 Speaker 4: government basically, and it stuck.

28:27 Speaker 2: They yeah, they're I mean, obviously there's there's another wrestling

28:32 Speaker 2: promotion out there. If you don't wake it a WWE

28:34 Speaker 2: go over to AWE. What they can do. You got

28:37 Speaker 2: full creative control. You have another con and debt that's

28:41 Speaker 2: in charge. So you go from Tony to Neck or

28:44 Speaker 2: Nick to Tony. I don't know, I forgot whose con

28:46 Speaker 2: is open.

28:47 Speaker 3: They're both cons Sorry, I had to do it.

28:54 Speaker 2: God, I can't go over to the AW there. You

28:59 Speaker 2: know they did you know that they're they're thriving as well.

29:02 Speaker 2: I mean, look how awesome they are. I mean look,

29:05 Speaker 2: I mean just just think about it. Chris Jericho went

29:08 Speaker 2: from w w E to a W possibly back.

29:10 Speaker 3: To w WE most likely.

29:11 Speaker 2: I thought that, Come on, now, Tody Rhoades goes ahead

29:15 Speaker 2: and flicks off w w E when he goes to AW.

29:18 Speaker 2: Now it's back to w w E. Yeah, what's going on?

29:21 Speaker 2: How come eight? You can't keep their talent, talent that

29:25 Speaker 2: they take from w w E. Well, it's not working out.

29:28 Speaker 2: Next thing, you know, we're getting Dean Ambrose back, right,

29:31 Speaker 2: Is that what's gonna happen next? Oh?

29:32 Speaker 1: I hope, so, I hope. So that was something that

29:36 Speaker 1: Eric and I talked about too on Tough Bumps. So,

29:37 Speaker 1: by the way, if you're just joining us, we have

29:38 Speaker 1: Charles Richardson from the Charles Richardson Show on the line

29:41 Speaker 1: with us, and and uh oh, and of course the

29:45 Speaker 1: pot what's the name of the wrestling podcast? Is it

29:47 Speaker 1: the Josh Zodiac Show?

29:50 Speaker 2: Yes, there's the Josh Zodiac Podcast, The.

29:53 Speaker 3: Josh Sodiac Podcast. I want to make sure I get

29:55 Speaker 3: it right when uh when when we did? Uh Yeah.

29:59 Speaker 1: This past Sunday, on the newest edition of Tough Bumps,

30:01 Speaker 1: it was a history of AEW and Eric and I

30:03 Speaker 1: talked a lot about how the worst thing that happened

30:07 Speaker 1: to AW was And Eric and I disagree on a

30:11 Speaker 1: lot of things, but on this I think we agreed

30:13 Speaker 1: is that when Vince ended up having to permanently leave

30:18 Speaker 1: WWE because with Triple H in charge of creative because

30:22 Speaker 1: the whole reason that AEW was so successful in the

30:26 Speaker 1: beginning and to a large extent still is I mean,

30:28 Speaker 1: doing thirty thousand people in a stadium in Texas is

30:32 Speaker 1: pretty impressive. But the reason they were so successful initially

30:36 Speaker 1: was because they were offering an alternative to what had

30:38 Speaker 1: become very very stale, a very stale product under Vince.

30:42 Speaker 1: I was saying to Eric, you know, for years, I

30:46 Speaker 1: didn't even sit down. I wouldn't even sit down and

30:48 Speaker 1: sit through an episode of Raw or SmackDown. I would

30:50 Speaker 1: just go on YouTube and find find out whatever happened,

30:53 Speaker 1: and just watch whatever clips looked interesting to me. And

30:56 Speaker 1: that was it. So I never fully disengaged from the product,

30:59 Speaker 1: but so you know, so ae W was filling that

31:02 Speaker 1: void and then of course Triple H, who I wasn't

31:05 Speaker 1: surprised because I was watching NXT because when Triple H

31:08 Speaker 1: was in charge of NXT, NX was phenomenal.

31:12 Speaker 3: And uh, you know, so when.

31:14 Speaker 1: Triple H got to take over full creative, on the

31:16 Speaker 1: full roster, on the main roster, you know, that was

31:19 Speaker 1: all of a sudden ae W. It's kind of like,

31:22 Speaker 1: don't really need it after all now that WWE is

31:25 Speaker 1: running on all cylinders again for the first time in

31:27 Speaker 1: a long time. But that's but I do think that

31:31 Speaker 1: ae W is a net positive for the business. I

31:34 Speaker 1: think that the wrestling business always thrives when you have

31:37 Speaker 1: competitive forces within it. The more promotions that are successful,

31:40 Speaker 1: the better, because a high tide raises all ships interests

31:44 Speaker 1: in wrestling. You know, it's it's so strong right now.

31:47 Speaker 1: Even TNA, Jenny and I were watching a little bit

31:49 Speaker 1: of Slammiversary, they were that was their biggest North American

31:53 Speaker 1: crowd for Slammiversary, almost eight thousand people. I think their

31:57 Speaker 1: partnership with WWE helps drive that. But I do think

32:00 Speaker 1: AEW holds an important place in the market, and I

32:04 Speaker 1: think they're I think it's in that positive that they're around.

32:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's definitely going to be a net positive

32:10 Speaker 2: for AW no matter what, because it's an alternative. And

32:14 Speaker 2: when you can go ahead and finally get your creative

32:16 Speaker 2: brains intact and actually bump heads literally sometimes and you

32:22 Speaker 2: go ahead and get Edge and Christian back together, that's

32:26 Speaker 2: going to generate some interests like, hmm, how's this rated

32:30 Speaker 2: R superstar Adam Copeland gonna do with Christian Cage now

32:35 Speaker 2: that they're reunited. Hmmm, interesting storyline. It drove me interest

32:41 Speaker 2: in ae W because I want to see what these

32:44 Speaker 2: two are gonna go at, right, and that was the

32:47 Speaker 2: first time I heard of Spike apparently with that back

32:50 Speaker 2: and just oh gruesome. Yeah.

32:52 Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm like, I'm like, you.

32:57 Speaker 2: Know what, let's see what happens. Let's see where they

33:00 Speaker 2: go from here, because they're taking a definite tag team,

33:04 Speaker 2: a formidable tag team, hall of Fame tag team, and

33:09 Speaker 2: they're bringing it to their forefront. Now let's see how

33:12 Speaker 2: they do.

33:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think, uh so, we don't. We don't

33:17 Speaker 3: watch much a w uh.

33:19 Speaker 1: Basically, if there's a you know, if they have a

33:21 Speaker 1: a big event or something, there's a website Toki video

33:24 Speaker 1: dot com that posts, uh, the individual matches from their

33:27 Speaker 1: pay per views, you know, usually a week or two

33:29 Speaker 1: after they happen.

33:30 Speaker 3: But but yeah, I think I think you know, are

33:33 Speaker 3: they not?

33:33 Speaker 2: Are they not? Are they not streaming on Max? There

33:36 Speaker 2: are there their pay per views? I know they're streaming

33:38 Speaker 2: like Dynamite in oh yeah Vision on Max Max.

33:42 Speaker 3: Yeah, we have Max Max.

33:44 Speaker 1: We've we've actually watched one of the shows on Max.

33:47 Speaker 1: We've never watched any of their pls on Max. But

33:49 Speaker 1: I think you're right. Yeah, with all the streaming services,

33:52 Speaker 1: it gets confusing. It's hard to keep up with it all.

33:54 Speaker 5: I'm ready to dump them.

33:56 Speaker 3: But but part of why.

34:01 Speaker 2: It's amazing, Mat, it's it's it's amazing, Mat. The cord. Yeah,

34:09 Speaker 2: cut the cord, everybody, cut the streaming. You're spending more

34:12 Speaker 2: now on streaming than you did.

34:13 Speaker 3: I'm not.

34:14 Speaker 4: I'm actually not spending more on streaming than I was

34:17 Speaker 4: paying the cable because it was.

34:20 Speaker 5: Expensive.

34:21 Speaker 2: People are a lot of people are though cable.

34:25 Speaker 3: Cable is far from dead, that's for sure.

34:29 Speaker 2: Yeah.

34:29 Speaker 4: I Uh.

34:30 Speaker 1: Part of why we were having that conversation on Tough

34:32 Speaker 1: Bumps was Eric is Eric is much more negative on

34:36 Speaker 1: a W than I am. Like I said, I think,

34:39 Speaker 1: I think uh. I think Cody Rhads his return to

34:44 Speaker 1: w w E UH would not have been nearly as

34:48 Speaker 1: important and as big a deal had it not been

34:50 Speaker 1: for a W even CM punk, you know, I mean,

34:55 Speaker 1: it still would have been a big deal him returning

34:57 Speaker 1: to w W E. His surprise appearance had survived series

35:01 Speaker 1: UH when he returned. But again, had it had it

35:03 Speaker 1: not been for his UH, had it not been for

35:06 Speaker 1: ae W getting him back into the game first, I

35:09 Speaker 1: don't think it would have meant as much. You know,

35:11 Speaker 1: I think AW. I think AW has directly benefited WWE

35:15 Speaker 1: in some ways.

35:16 Speaker 3: I really do.

35:19 Speaker 2: I agree, and then I disagree because Cody Rhodes developed

35:23 Speaker 2: himself in the Indies BEFOREAW even took place. That was

35:27 Speaker 2: Eric's reinventive, That the American Nightmare persona theme song and

35:33 Speaker 2: everything was before AW right, So he actually went ahead

35:37 Speaker 2: and created himself before then he was able to make

35:40 Speaker 2: a stage on AW. So I agreed to that point.

35:44 Speaker 2: I agreed to that point that Cody went ahead and

35:47 Speaker 2: turned some heads like, Wow, this guy can actually perform.

35:50 Speaker 2: You don't have to put him in a goofy gold

35:52 Speaker 2: out and called Stardust, Right, that's great, see them punk

35:56 Speaker 2: on the other hand, seem punk on the other hand,

35:58 Speaker 2: he had to try another promotion because of his experience

36:03 Speaker 2: with w W E, his negative experience with w W

36:06 Speaker 2: and at the time he went to a w Vincent

36:10 Speaker 2: Stone charge anyway, so why would he go back to

36:12 Speaker 2: a toxic relationship with that, right And of course if

36:16 Speaker 2: you haven't seen Unreal, we watched you to know that. Yeah,

36:22 Speaker 2: it's it's that. That's freaking great, it really is. But

36:25 Speaker 2: that right there not even unreal, just just a hole

36:29 Speaker 2: behind the scenes of how Sam Punk got back. It

36:32 Speaker 2: was the last minute deal. This thing wasn't like etchton

36:35 Speaker 2: Stone before a Survivor series hit. Nobody knew except three people,

36:39 Speaker 2: and one of them was aj So he he and

36:43 Speaker 2: he was hidden behind everything. He got into Gorilla Formation

36:46 Speaker 2: and like wow, seampunk is here. Yep, yeah, it's just

36:51 Speaker 2: he literally signed that contract like ten minutes before. So

36:55 Speaker 2: there was a coming to Jesus moment with Triple H

36:58 Speaker 2: saying listen, we know we messed up. We know this

37:02 Speaker 2: hap happened. We know that happened. This is how it

37:06 Speaker 2: is now. We know there's a lot of wrongs that

37:09 Speaker 2: have been righted and and this is this is what

37:11 Speaker 2: we can offer you. And I think Sampunk came back,

37:13 Speaker 2: but I think he had to try another promotion to

37:17 Speaker 2: see what exactly what it's like outside of w w

37:21 Speaker 2: E before he came back.

37:23 Speaker 3: Right right.

37:25 Speaker 1: I also have a theory, you know that you know

37:27 Speaker 1: that show that CM Punk showed up at. This was

37:31 Speaker 1: when he was on the outs with ae W. He

37:32 Speaker 1: was still under contract, but he he was out with

37:36 Speaker 1: his with his injury.

37:37 Speaker 3: Poor guy, He's had a lot of injuries.

37:39 Speaker 1: But so he was he was away from the promotion

37:42 Speaker 1: and and of course it was an ongoing story that

37:44 Speaker 1: he was at odds with some of the people there

37:47 Speaker 1: and like Jack Perry, and his relationship with Tony Cohn

37:50 Speaker 1: was pretty strange. And then there was that WWE show

37:52 Speaker 1: that he showed up at just to say hi to

37:54 Speaker 1: some people backstage, and yep, and and Vince Scott went

37:59 Speaker 1: and Vince got wind of it and kicked him out.

38:01 Speaker 1: And and by the way, Vince I think was probably

38:04 Speaker 1: right to do that, because Vince does not want to

38:06 Speaker 1: be sued for contract hampering, you know, because if he's

38:09 Speaker 1: aware of the situation, he knows assuming he was aware

38:12 Speaker 1: he knew that cmpunk was still under contract with AEW

38:15 Speaker 1: but having problems, So it's not necessarily a great look that,

38:18 Speaker 1: you know, while still under contract with AEW, Cmpunk is

38:21 Speaker 1: just showing up at a show. But that night, apparently

38:24 Speaker 1: before before Vince gave word that no, you got to

38:29 Speaker 1: get him out of here. We can't have him in

38:31 Speaker 1: the building. Kick him out, he did have a brief

38:34 Speaker 1: interaction with Triple H. I just wonder how that interaction went,

38:39 Speaker 1: because I have this, I have a theory. It's just

38:42 Speaker 1: a theory, I you know, can't base it on anything,

38:45 Speaker 1: But is it possible that part of that introduction Apparently

38:47 Speaker 1: it was very very brief, just kind of saying hello

38:50 Speaker 1: to each other. But I wonder if Punk said something like,

38:55 Speaker 1: you know, to Triple H, hey, you know, someday, when

38:58 Speaker 1: I'm not under contract somewhere else, I'm I like to

39:00 Speaker 1: come back here, you know, just kind of throwing that

39:02 Speaker 1: out there in Triple H may have said something like, hey,

39:05 Speaker 1: you know, if you weren't under contract, we'd love to

39:08 Speaker 1: have you back. Who knows what the future, you know,

39:09 Speaker 1: just something just a brief interaction like that, and they'll

39:13 Speaker 1: know And if that conversation did take place. They'll never

39:16 Speaker 1: admit it, but I just know. But I can't help

39:19 Speaker 1: but wonder if it did.

39:21 Speaker 2: You know, I have my own theory and it's it's

39:26 Speaker 2: it's definitely not wrestling related. So my theory is damn

39:30 Speaker 2: punk walks up to Triple H and it's like, hey,

39:33 Speaker 2: how are you and Stephanie doing? Yeah, we're doing great,

39:37 Speaker 2: and me, you're doing great. Won't get together and have

39:39 Speaker 2: a foursome?

39:42 Speaker 3: Really that's your theory?

39:45 Speaker 1: And yeah, so well, Charles, I mean you're definitely thinking

39:51 Speaker 1: outside the box because I can honestly tell you with

39:54 Speaker 1: all those sincerity that never occurred to me.

40:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure.

40:06 Speaker 3: Yeah. So, uh, what do you watch any a W now?

40:10 Speaker 3: Or do you only watch w W E?

40:14 Speaker 2: It's it's mainly w w E. But you know, I

40:17 Speaker 2: kind of keep tabs on stuff with ae W like

40:20 Speaker 2: I you know, I wouldn't have known about edging Christian.

40:22 Speaker 2: I knew they were feuding with you with with with

40:24 Speaker 2: each other. I think, yeah there was one time Christian

40:27 Speaker 2: hug edge until you know f oh yeah yeah and

40:30 Speaker 2: that's okay, wow, Yeah, but you know, no, I I

40:35 Speaker 2: I kind of keep tabs, like you know, apparently they

40:38 Speaker 2: got something going now, which okay, maybe I might tune

40:41 Speaker 2: in to see what's going on if they're advertised, uh,

40:44 Speaker 2: and and see what what's doing, but I'm I'm primarily

40:47 Speaker 2: w W.

40:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll watch any Will Osprey match. Uh and he

40:52 Speaker 1: of course, you know an a W and you know,

40:54 Speaker 1: a big fan of MJF. Haven't kept up, haven't kept

40:57 Speaker 1: up with what they've been doing. But boy, there's so much.

41:00 Speaker 1: There's just so much content now, I mean, and WWE

41:03 Speaker 1: is pumping out more content than ever.

41:06 Speaker 2: Is MJF like part of the hurt cyndykit now with

41:10 Speaker 2: lash Lee in the MVP.

41:13 Speaker 1: From what I saw online, he was, but now he's out.

41:15 Speaker 1: They kicked him out or something, so I don't know,

41:18 Speaker 1: I haven't but that's you know, it's hard though. See

41:22 Speaker 1: that's the other thing with AEW. And this is something

41:24 Speaker 1: where I think Tony Kahn probably has something in common

41:27 Speaker 1: with Vince McMahon that wanting to have full control over

41:31 Speaker 1: creative to the point where you know nothing's being delegated

41:34 Speaker 1: or if it is being well. Obviously in WW events

41:37 Speaker 1: was delegating because he had a full writing team, but

41:39 Speaker 1: then you know he'd end up tearing up the script

41:41 Speaker 1: and rewriting it himself anyway. And I think that you

41:43 Speaker 1: know what aw needs, what Tony Kahn needs is somebody

41:47 Speaker 1: or a team of people who can do what Triple

41:49 Speaker 1: H has done. Recommit to long term, logical storytelling where

41:53 Speaker 1: you can get really invested in these characters, because that's

41:55 Speaker 1: the most important thing. That's what makes w WE, in

41:58 Speaker 1: my opinion, so successful.

42:00 Speaker 3: Now.

42:01 Speaker 1: I've argued to Eric that to me, wrestling is better

42:04 Speaker 1: than it's ever been because there's more, there's more of

42:08 Speaker 1: a focus on long term storytelling. There's surprises, but everything

42:12 Speaker 1: is logical, but also character development. I can't remember ever,

42:15 Speaker 1: and I've been watching since I was a kid, I

42:16 Speaker 1: can't remember ever a time when there was as much

42:18 Speaker 1: character development as we see now and a willingness to

42:21 Speaker 1: make these characters complex and you know they've got levels

42:25 Speaker 1: to them. That's why now you'll see babyfaces fighting with

42:28 Speaker 1: other babyfaces that used to be never a thing, but

42:31 Speaker 1: now you know you can have that, or heels fighting

42:34 Speaker 1: with other heels because the audience has been conditioned to

42:37 Speaker 1: accept these are complex characters and not everything is black

42:40 Speaker 1: and white, and people who are you know, good guys

42:43 Speaker 1: can actually fight with other good guys, and bad guys

42:45 Speaker 1: can actually fight with other bad guys, because you know

42:49 Speaker 1: sometimes in real life that happens, right, So I think aew,

42:53 Speaker 1: if Tony Kahn would just allow somebody who really has

42:57 Speaker 1: a good creative mind, who can do what Triple Ah

42:59 Speaker 1: is done, coming to aw and recommit to long term storytelling,

43:04 Speaker 1: I think they'd be a lot more successful. And they're

43:06 Speaker 1: already pretty successful, let's be honest, but I think they'd

43:08 Speaker 1: be a lot more successful.

43:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, they still have a long way to go. They're

43:12 Speaker 2: still in the baby's, the d the infant stages, maybe

43:15 Speaker 2: even the Toddless stages, but definitely, definitely. I do have

43:20 Speaker 2: a couple of questions because I know we're running out

43:22 Speaker 2: of time here, so I want to I have a

43:23 Speaker 2: couple of questions. Number one, and please assume that I

43:26 Speaker 2: have not heard this on Tough Bumps. Okay, but tell

43:30 Speaker 2: me what was your reaction to Hogan's death.

43:34 Speaker 1: So we tried on Tough Bumps, we tried to present

43:37 Speaker 1: kind of a measured, fair assessment. I mean, I can

43:41 Speaker 1: tell you my personal reaction. When I saw the news

43:44 Speaker 1: alert on my phone, I was kind of numb. It

43:46 Speaker 1: was like Wow, you know, because on one hand, a

43:50 Speaker 1: huge part of my childhood and obviously Hogan a huge

43:53 Speaker 1: part of professional wrestling, something that I'm I'm passionate about,

43:57 Speaker 1: So so it was like, wow, is kind of stunning,

44:01 Speaker 1: But it's also hard to get past because I don't

44:05 Speaker 1: think he ever effectively dealt with it. You know, his

44:08 Speaker 1: racist comments that were recorded during that encounter with Bubba

44:12 Speaker 1: the love Sponges wife, which is still even weird to say,

44:16 Speaker 1: but you know, the just objectively extraordinarily racist, shockingly racist

44:23 Speaker 1: things that he said during that conversation that was recorded,

44:26 Speaker 1: which yeah, he did the whole apology tour and everything,

44:28 Speaker 1: but he never really dealt with the central His comments

44:33 Speaker 1: were very specific and he never dealt with specifically what

44:38 Speaker 1: he was wrestling with no pun intended when expressing himself

44:43 Speaker 1: during that conversation. He never dealt with that specifically, at

44:47 Speaker 1: least not publicly, and a lot of people felt like

44:50 Speaker 1: his apologies were half hearted and insufficient, and he never

44:54 Speaker 1: fully recovered from that, obviously, so we tried to so

44:58 Speaker 1: we tried to be very fair about it, and.

45:02 Speaker 2: To be honest with you, he was apparently, in his

45:06 Speaker 2: private life a very manipulative person because Brooke Hogan, his daughter,

45:12 Speaker 2: called in on Bubba and they haven't spoken in years

45:16 Speaker 2: because of the fallout between Hogan and Bubba. Yeah, and

45:20 Speaker 2: Brooke even said that, hey, my dad told me about

45:24 Speaker 2: the tape and he knew you didn't have anything to

45:26 Speaker 2: do with it. Even though Bubba lost his home, he

45:30 Speaker 2: got fired, everything that laid down, Hogan never came to

45:33 Speaker 2: his defense, even though he admitted to Brooke that, yeah,

45:38 Speaker 2: I know Bubba had nothing to do with it, right, So,

45:41 Speaker 2: just on that alone, I think he was not a

45:46 Speaker 2: good human being. Let's put it that way. Now. Is

45:49 Speaker 2: that justified to say, like, well, thank god he's dead, No,

45:52 Speaker 2: of course not. I mean I think the way he died,

45:54 Speaker 2: there's actually a criminal investigation going on that he may

45:59 Speaker 2: have been murdered.

46:00 Speaker 3: Jenny and I were talking about that earlier.

46:01 Speaker 5: Not murdered, there may be a medical medical.

46:04 Speaker 1: Malpractice yeah, yeah, okay, okay, yeah.

46:09 Speaker 5: Question during a surgery.

46:12 Speaker 4: He had a surgery apparently recently, and there's question as

46:15 Speaker 4: to whether or not his frontic nerve was damaged or

46:19 Speaker 4: severed and restitched or something. And he also had a

46:22 Speaker 4: fib so I guess the combo wasn't too good. And

46:25 Speaker 4: they think that might have actually been what caused his death,

46:28 Speaker 4: in which case it would be a medical practice.

46:32 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know. There was a police investigation going on.

46:37 Speaker 2: I think it's still going on.

46:39 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's still it's still going on. It's still

46:42 Speaker 4: going on. Yeah, could be wrongful death, who knows.

46:48 Speaker 2: Another question, Matt, how do you feel of Sina's so

46:52 Speaker 2: called heel turn versus face turn? It was that a

46:57 Speaker 2: flop or is that you think was successful?

47:00 Speaker 1: I so, I'm I'm I know, I'm very much in

47:03 Speaker 1: the minority when I say this. I loved, first of all,

47:07 Speaker 1: the heel turn itself was amazing, and I think most

47:10 Speaker 1: people would agree on that. The actual heel turn itself

47:12 Speaker 1: was fantastic. It was so so, so well done. The

47:16 Speaker 1: subsequent him as a heel, the heel version of John Cena. Again,

47:20 Speaker 1: I know, I'm in the minority. I was really enjoying it.

47:24 Speaker 1: I understand why people didn't like that he I think

47:27 Speaker 1: people a lot of people wanted him to be more

47:29 Speaker 1: overtly evil and whatnot, where he actually underplayed it. But

47:34 Speaker 1: I liked it. I thought it was cool. I thought

47:36 Speaker 1: it was very intriguing. I really enjoyed it, and I

47:39 Speaker 1: thought the face turn back seemed a little rushed.

47:42 Speaker 3: What were you gonna say? Oh, yeah, that was so funny.

47:45 Speaker 3: Yeah when he's like, I'm going to ruin wrestling.

47:48 Speaker 5: I loved that.

47:48 Speaker 3: I loved that too.

47:49 Speaker 1: I thought it was cool. I really enjoyed heel John Cena,

47:52 Speaker 1: what did you think?

47:55 Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. I really enjoyed his promos, But it

47:59 Speaker 2: started to get a little repetitive, like he didn't have

48:03 Speaker 2: anything new coming out. It's just kept saying the same

48:06 Speaker 2: thing over and over again. It's just it kind of

48:10 Speaker 2: got repetitive. So I think when Cody finally because you're right,

48:14 Speaker 2: it did feel rushed a little bit. But you saw

48:17 Speaker 2: bits and pieces of good Sena coming out the past

48:22 Speaker 2: few weeks before that, and I think I think they

48:25 Speaker 2: were trying to lead up to it, but obviously they

48:27 Speaker 2: wanted to take the belt off him and put on Cody. So, uh,

48:31 Speaker 2: mister Lesnar can go ahead and a big introduction.

48:35 Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you think about that one coming back?

48:40 Speaker 5: What do you think about Lesner coming back?

48:43 Speaker 2: I love it, I love it. I know I know

48:45 Speaker 2: it was basically it was basically John's wish to go

48:49 Speaker 2: ahead and wrestle Lesnar. That's why he's back. It's it

48:51 Speaker 2: has nothing to do with well, he's gonna draw big

48:54 Speaker 2: money and no, no, he'll he'll draw big money. But

48:57 Speaker 2: that was a request from Sena. Sina wants to get

49:00 Speaker 2: all his adversaries. Yes, it was reported Scena requested Lesna. Yeah,

49:07 Speaker 2: so he wants to fight lesno one more so this

49:11 Speaker 2: retirement tour is basically to get all. If you ever

49:15 Speaker 2: seen Rocky five where it's like, listen, I got to

49:17 Speaker 2: get the beast out of me. I can't hold on.

49:19 Speaker 2: He's trying to get the beast out of literally in

49:22 Speaker 2: this case, he's trying to get the beast.

49:24 Speaker 3: Yeah.

49:25 Speaker 2: But yeah, she should take care of everybody that he

49:28 Speaker 2: needs one more time.

49:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense, which I

49:32 Speaker 1: don't agree.

49:33 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't agree with Logan Paul. Why would

49:35 Speaker 2: he be on that list? I don't. I don't understand

49:37 Speaker 2: that that storyline with one bit.

49:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, Charles, we are approaching the top of the hour,

49:43 Speaker 1: so we got to begin to wrap up.

49:44 Speaker 3: The time goes so quickly.

49:45 Speaker 1: But we should definitely do this more often, my friend,

49:48 Speaker 1: because uh, I always enjoy having you on and uh

49:51 Speaker 1: you know, and anytime you want me to have be

49:53 Speaker 1: on your show, I'd love to do that as well.

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49:58 Speaker 1: people go to find not only your show well, but

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50:07 Speaker 2: So my show Search the Charles Richardson Show on Facebook

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50:33 Speaker 2: Richardson Show. I have a channel with so many subscribers, kidding,

50:39 Speaker 2: but so many subscribers that you can go ahead and

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50:43 Speaker 2: gonna be twenty nine ninety five. I'm launching my own

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51:09 Speaker 1: Fantastic fantastic. Well, Charles, thank you so much, my friend.

51:12 Speaker 1: Like I said, we must do this more often. And

51:14 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you, appreciate you joining us today, and

51:16 Speaker 1: we'll we'll talk again soon, I'm sure.

51:19 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Just have Jenny get in contact with me. I'm

51:21 Speaker 2: able to do it, all right.

51:22 Speaker 1: Sounds great, All right, Charles, try to try to stay

51:25 Speaker 1: cool down there.

51:25 Speaker 3: I know it's hot, so.

51:28 Speaker 1: And we'll talk to you all right, You got it, Thanks,

51:31 Speaker 1: take care all right. That was Charles Richardson from The

51:34 Speaker 1: Charles Richardson Show, and I always love talking to Charles