Harley Flanagan | Matt Connarton Unleashed

0:00 Speaker 1: Hard times. Indeed, if that doesn't get the adrenaline, go and check your pulse, you might be dead. As I like to say, Let's see, so I see him, he is on the line with us. Let's see if we can hear him. Harley Flanagan, Are you there, sir?

0:10 Speaker 2: Can you hear me? I?

0:11 Speaker 1: Can can you hear me? Okay?

0:13 Speaker 2: I can you hear you? Oh?

0:14 Speaker 1: Awesome, Welcome to the program. I am very excited to speak with you because so I've always been aware of you and certainly aware of the Cromags. I did not know much about your backstory, so I've kind of taken a crash course in the last couple of days on Harley Flannagan and you have had had quite a life. And by the way, I did check out the trailer two for Wired for Chaos. I am dying to see that. That looks that looks fascinating. But that's not out yet. Correct? Is it coming out soon?

0:45 Speaker 2: Actually, it's going to be airing about airing. It's going to be in theaters starting June fifteenth. They are having four They're showing it four times here in New York at the Roxy Cinema. I'm going to be there Q and A, And it's also going to be showing in La San Francisco, Chicago, Philly, Boston, Seattle, Portland, Minneapolis, Austin, and there's a bunch of other places getting lined up and over between now and July, I'm going to be flying all over the place doing like Q and AS at these showings.

1:28 Speaker 1: Oh fantastic.

1:30 Speaker 2: Yeah. And then I think I've heard that in August it's going to be doing a pay per view type of event following the release on DVD and stuff like that. So it's so pretty cool.

1:42 Speaker 1: Oh, that is really cool.

1:43 Speaker 3: What is that like?

1:44 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, obviously, have you have you sat down and actually watched it? Have you watched it from beginning to end? That might sound like a strange question, but I've heard other people say, particularly people who are the subjects of documentary films. They'll tell you, oh, no, I haven't watched it. I can't bring myself to watch it. I mean, if you sat down and watched the whole thing.

2:03 Speaker 2: I actually did not see it until they were done, so I have seen it, but it was definitely a nerve wracking process because I didn't get to see anything until it was finished, and I was not privy or part of the editing process, so you know, I was a little nervous, but I think they I think they did a pretty good job. I mean it's really hard to tell, you know, an entire life in you know, an hour and change, but they managed to do a pretty good job.

2:43 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, oh, that's fantastic. Yeah. I look forward to seeing it. I assume after, you know, after the run in theaters, it'll be on do you know where it's going to be. I assume it'll be on a streaming service like Netflix or something like that.

2:54 Speaker 2: I don't know. I really don't know, you know, because I'm actually not so involved with this. I mean, I'm the subject of it, but you know, my thing is still music, and I'm you know, I'm I'm going on tour Monday, I'm flying to Europe. So I mean, well, I am you know, I'm concentrating on my job. You know, I let them handled that.

3:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, your story is fascinating to me because you're an example of someone who really overcame a lot your childhood. Uh, from what I've heard you describe in some interviews that I that I listened to and watched and read pretty uh, pretty hellish existence compared to what most people are used to growing up in New York City in a time where you know, sort of a pre gentrification or however you want to talk about it. But you're you're a real New Yorker. That's where you grew up and and and and what you went through.

3:50 Speaker 1: Uh, growing up was was pretty rough, which I assume shapes a lot of your your music, right, sort of that aggression, and it's a subject that comes out a lot on the show, you know, creating art from trauma.

4:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I think that's one of the one of the few good things that can come from it. Yeah, but yeah, you know, I definitely have had an interesting journey obviously, or they would not have made a film. But yeah, man, you know, I'm actually I'm living my best life now.

4:28 Speaker 4: Man.

4:28 Speaker 2: You know, I'm just lucky I made it through all of that and that I came out the other side more or less in one piece. And you know, I mean things are going great for me. You know, Like I said, I'm leaving on Monday when I get back from this tour. I literally I land at the airport and I go to the first showing of the film this day, Like, I'm putting down Baggs and I'm going to A Q and A and I'm going to be pretty much hitting the ground running from now from from Monday until the end of the summer at least.

5:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's incredible. One of the things that I think is really interesting about your story is and this is something that casual fans of you or of the Cromags or anything that you've done might not even know this, but obviously people who pay attention know. And I've been learning about it jiu jitsu and the role that that has played in your life. And I was particularly interested in that too, because I don't do it anymore, but I used to do gcundo and I and I've seen up close, you know, I mean, I've for it.

5:31 Speaker 1: I've been lucky in life. I've had a pretty normal existence overall, and I certainly didn't have the kind of upbringing that you did, but so I didn't necessarily have any any particular thing that I was trying to overcome or work through. But I've I've certainly met my share of people who have and I'd love to get your thoughts on how on how you feel that that has helped you and really shaped you. That experience of getting into jiu jitsu, which you got into at a pretty young age, right, you were still a teenage I think.

6:01 Speaker 2: Well, actually that got into it kind of late. I was almost I was like around thirty I started training. Yeah. No, I started training jiu jitsu in ninety six, which is you know, so in one way, I was definitely the first generation of Americans that was training under any of the Brazilian Black belts.

6:22 Speaker 1: Yeah.

6:22 Speaker 2: You know, Master hands Up is my master and my mentor and close friend and more like a brother to me than anything else. And you know, I was just really lucky. You know, I saw UFC one and two. I actually got them at Blockbusters on VHS whether they were first available. This was like in you know, early nineties ninety three, and I pretty much made up my mind then that if I ever had the opportunity to train with any of the Graciers, that I was going to take advantage of it.

6:56 Speaker 1: Yeah.

6:57 Speaker 2: And you know, I mean I have you know, I've had my share of excuse me, I've had my share of fights in my life, and I had never seen anything like like an arm bar or any of these techniques. I was just like, what is he doing? You know all these you know, different joint locks and so on and so forth, and I was just like, I got to learn this stuff. Man, this is really fascinating. And that, you know, that was a long time ago. I still trained pretty pretty religiously.

7:28 Speaker 5: Man.

7:29 Speaker 2: I'm at the academy like at least a couple of times a week, sometimes three four times a week when I'm not on tour. I you know, I exercise every day, and you know, jiu jitsu really keeps me together, keeps my head on straight, gives me a place to, you know, let the steam off and get normal.

7:50 Speaker 1: Sure. Sure, when you first got into it, did you know? I mean obviously you had an interest, you know, and you talked about, you know, watching UFC on I remember those days, of course Blockbuster VHS, renting a Blockbuster.

8:05 Speaker 2: But uh, I know it's young. People are gonna be like, what are they talking about?

8:09 Speaker 1: I know it seems like another lifetime, doesn't it, But uh, I know it doesn't.

8:14 Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like that long ago. But at the same time, it's like when the hell was that?

8:18 Speaker 1: I know, it's wild, but uh, when you first got into it, when you first started training, were you surprised at how it helped you? Obviously, it was helpful physically, and and you learn how to defend yourself and all this is that there's those immediate practical applications that are obvious, But were you surprised at how it also helped you mentally? And and really kind of you know, I this is kind of the way I think of it. You're kind of organizing your brain in a way that's that's positive and helpful and obviously too, you know, you get those endorphins going and everything, and that helps you emotionally.

8:55 Speaker 1: And were you surprised by those other ways that it helped you aside from just the obvious or did you kind of think that might happen.

9:03 Speaker 2: I can't say I was surprised, but it was not the reason I started training. Yeah, I mean I started training because I was always you know, I've been a fighter my whole life. You know, I've been fighting, you know, on the streets and you know, since I was a kid. Yeah, and I just wanted to learn something new and I fell in love with it. And you know, honestly, I started because of the fighting aspects of it. But I stayed with it all these years because of the love. You know, I fell in love not just with the art, but the community.

9:42 Speaker 2: You know, I've made some of the best friends of my life through jiu jitsu. I think it attracts you know, intelligent people, you know people you think that combat athletes are just you know, fighters are like knuckleheads and you know, not too smart. They just know how to smash each other or whatever. But I'll tell you, man, jiu jitsu is really technical, and it's really it's like playing chess, like physical chess. Sure who stick with it and gravitate towards it or you know, really really sharp, man.

10:21 Speaker 2: And it changed my life for the better in so many ways. Like I literally, you know, if it was only about fighting or only about the combat or the violence or whatever, there's no way I'd still be doing it this many years later, you know, I mean started in ninety six. Man, it's you know, yeah, twenty twenty five, I'm still rolling, still loving it, and it's my community. It's where I that's where I go. You know, I really don't do much else when I'm not on tour. Yeah, you know, that's that's my social life, that's my that's where my friends are.

11:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm just really lucky that that this came to me, to me, you.

11:10 Speaker 6: Know, absolutely, thank God for you.

11:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding, huh. And I'm glad you said what you said too about you know, intelligent people. This is something that they do because You're right, there is a misconception, and I'm sure you run into it. I'm sure you run into it constantly. Still, you know that that people who do this are just you know, muscleheads who want to smash each other, and they don't understand that. No, it is much deeper than that, and it is complicated.

11:36 Speaker 2: To be fair. In the old days, you know, it was a little different. You know, when I first started training, it wasn't really as family friendly and there were not many women involved in the sport. You know those early days that people who got into it were pretty much people who either you know, we were bouncers, or people who were pursuing M m A as a career, or people who just liked to fight. It did initially attract a lot of knuckleheads, but they get weeded out pretty quick because you really can't be in that world too long because sooner or later you're gonna meet somebody that's gonna submit you, and you're gonna learn some humility or you're gonna leave, right.

12:29 Speaker 2: You know, if you can't, if you can't handle defeat with grace, you're not gonna last. Yeah, you know, because people people who can't handle losing and and and and still respecting your opponent, shaking their hand, giving them a hug. If you can't handle that, you're never gonna last in this sport. Because you know, you have to. I mean, you do need a certain amount of pride. You do need to have a certain amount of you know, belief in yourself, and you have you know, any combat situation you have to go in like, yeah, I'm gonna you out.

13:05 Speaker 2: But at the same time, you know.

13:09 Speaker 1: Harley, Harley, not not to interrupt, but I just have to remind you we are on FM radio.

13:14 Speaker 2: So I'm sorry totally.

13:17 Speaker 7: Bro.

13:17 Speaker 8: You know what, I have been doing some podcasts and videos the last few days. I've lost It's okay, I forget no, no, but I hope you can out.

13:28 Speaker 1: No no worries, my friend. We're we're, we're that's okay. We're on an eight second delay, so I was able to catch it. So no big deal. Don't don't even smid it. Don't even swid it.

13:40 Speaker 8: That's my natural New York. It just slips out. You mean, it's one of the Yeah, it was not easy. When I was teaching the kids class, I.

13:51 Speaker 1: Can imagine no, no, no, that's cold.

13:55 Speaker 2: And the parents did too, so excellent.

13:58 Speaker 1: Well that's what counts. That's what counts. Absolutely. That must be.

14:02 Speaker 2: Little parents how to be you know, tough. So I think your parents appreciated it.

14:06 Speaker 1: Well, that must be so rewarding too, to be able to teach young people who are getting into it. Yeah, that must be. So.

14:14 Speaker 2: I was constructor and I was running that program for like ten years, but I had to stop working at the Academy because I started touring so much again. Yeah, you know, when when my kids were younger, I took a break from touring for a while and I was really just focusing on being dad. And you know, I it was awesome. It was some of the best some of the best experiences and times of my life were just being dad.

14:42 Speaker 7: Yeah.

14:42 Speaker 2: But you know, once they got a little older, and you know, it's time for me to get back to work. I mean, I I music is my life. It always has been martial arts is part of my life. But you know, I make a living playing music, and you know, it pays me better than you know, teaching jiu jitsu. And if I had to pick one or the other, I don't know if I really could, because I you know, it's they're both really a part of who I am.

15:13 Speaker 1: Absolutely so speak of music. So you got into I mean you were you were a teenager right when you started playing playing bass. I'm a bass player, by the way, so I'm I'm particularly interested in this, but I mean, how old were you when you started playing? You were pretty young, right.

15:30 Speaker 2: Well, I was. I did my first tour in a punk rock.

15:34 Speaker 1: Bandit can Oh my god. Wow.

15:37 Speaker 2: I put out my first record when I was twelve, and that was a pretty legendary forty five called loud Fast Rules. My old band the Stimulators, and we were, you know, we were a punk band, but we were kind of the forerunners of what would become the New York hardcore scene. Yeah, like all the basically we you know, we were more of a punk band, like I say, but all of our fans, the kids that were at our shows were pretty much the first generation of New York hardcore. Bands. Okay, you know, Agnostic Front was in our audience cause for Alarm, the Mob, Urban Wastes, like pretty much the entire first generation of New York hardcore bands came out of our audience.

16:29 Speaker 2: So although we were not a hardcore band, we were definitely very influential. You know, we really kind of created a space for those kids because well, I think also a lot of it had to do with the fact that I was so young, so you know, that attracted younger kids as opposed to like all of the throwback punk rockers that had been hanging out at me axes and CBS, who for the most part were all you know, messed up on drugs. A lot of them were junkies, and you know, it was a pretty it was a pretty grimy scene.

17:12 Speaker 2: You know. I mean the majority of the people that I knew when I was a kid, you know, they were in their early twenties and stuff. And many of the punk rockers back then we're you know, working in the in the sex shows on you know, in Times Square, you know, screwing on stage and stuff for their drug money, and a lot of the chicks were prostitutes and you know or you know, strippers, that stripping was nothing. You know, most of them literally were prostitutes and doing live sex shows to support their drug habits.

17:44 Speaker 2: And these were the people I hung out with when I was twelve, you know,

17:50 Speaker 2: so you know, really there's it's no wonder that by the time I was, you know, fifteen, I was already living on the streets and you know, shooting meth and smoking PCP and wow, you name it. Yeah, I definitely didn't have a normal upbringing. And you know when when everybody around you, is it when all the adults are pretty much well not all, but like ninety eight percent of them are a mess? Yeah, learned, you.

18:22 Speaker 1: Know exactly exactly. I'm curious to being so young in the punk scene. Were were you easily accepted or was there any resistance to that? Did some people look at you like, you know, who's this kid?

18:36 Speaker 2: He's because everybody who's this kid? But he was always I mean, look, my aunt was in the Stimulators that band formed before I came to New York. I was in Europe at the time, actually in England when they were playing. I was going to shows in England. I was going to punk shows there. I meant to like the one hundred Club and all those legendary places back then. Yeah, when I was ten, you know, so, but you know, I mean I get yeah, I definitely was a standout character on the scene because everybody else was an adult more or less.

19:16 Speaker 2: I mean, you had your you know, eighteen nineteen twenty year olds, you know, mostly young chicks. But you know, I was definitely uh, but they accepted me. I mean, how do you not accept the kid who was at the show? I mean, you know, I was just walking around bumming quarters and playing timball what well?

19:42 Speaker 1: Also too, I mean having a family member and that what was it your aunt who was in the band with you?

19:48 Speaker 2: Yeah?

19:49 Speaker 1: And yeah, no, go ahead, no, So is that how is that how you became a member of the band, Because I just wonder, like, if you didn't have a family member in the band, would people have been more would the other members have been more resistant to bringing you in because you were so young?

20:05 Speaker 5: Yeah?

20:05 Speaker 2: Possibly, But you know what it was, it was really circumstantial. Like they had they were gigging band. Yeah, they had their drummer, Bob Weier. They replaced him with Johnny Blitz from the Dead Boys, so he was playing them right before me and you know, I had been going to their shows. I'd seen them live a bunch of times, and I used to I actually would get up on stage with them once in a while and play a song or two. And you know, I used to go to their practices. I knew their material. And so what happened was Johnny Blitz bailed out on them one time the day of a show that I don't know if he was, like, you know, he might have been dope, sick or something, I don't know, but he did not show up and they couldn't find them, and they went to his house looking for him, and he was not answering his door, and this and that so and he's was like, guess what, Harley, your playing drum tonight?

21:03 Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, you know, and I remember the show actually was in Philadelphia, the first show I did with them, and I remember literally sitting in the back of the vand with a phone book and drumsticks, like playing the whole way up, just trying to, you know, remember all the parts to the songs. And that was it, man, that first show. The audience was so receptive and excited, and you know, they I think it was really we were probably one of the first New York punk bands to ever make it to you know, North Carolina and South Carolina and stuff like that.

21:42 Speaker 2: So they were super pumped and and people were blown away. I mean we had two chicks in the band and a little kid in this crazy little day dude on vocals. We were definitely you definitely interesting. You know, there was nothing else like us, that's for damn sure.

21:58 Speaker 7: Yeah.

21:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of how it started for me. And I mean I had already, I had been in a band already, I was already out doing stuff. I'd been on a tour already, and yeah, I mean this has been my whole life, dude. I've been literally playing music and going to show since before I can remember. I mean my mom was a hippie and used to bring me to concerts and clubs, and you know, before I remember. You know, if you see photos of like Jefferson Airplane and there's like all, you know, naked children running around in front of stage, I was one of them.

22:39 Speaker 5: Yeah.

22:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was no time before music in my life. Yeah yeah.

22:48 Speaker 1: And then so so then was there anything between the stimulators and the Cromags or was the Cromags the next band.

22:56 Speaker 2: I was in a band called Mode of Ignorance, Okay, and I was also a founding member of the band Murphy's Law. I actually came up with the name of that band. But you know, I think the most significant thing that I've done musically has been the Chrome Eggs. You know, we've we've been going now strong since our first record came out in eighty six. The first recordings that we did came out, we put them out in like eighty four on cassette, I believe it or not. Yeah, and we've been you know, I've been active ever since, you know, so yeah, pretty long run.

23:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, things are going well. I mean we're still out playing, out playing festivals, and you know, life is good. Man. You know, most bands don't last you know, five minutes, forget about forty plus years.

23:50 Speaker 1: No, it is remarkable. I mean, do you feel the weight of that legacy. I mean it's it's because you were at the forefront of so much, especially you know, the way the way you started out in New York and everything and the scene. I mean do you feel like, like, like do people talk to you and they tell you, oh man, You're like like, obviously you get a lot of credit for what you've done. I mean, is that ever overwhelming to you? Do you feel like a certain level of responsibility that that like you have to continue to to carry that flag, carry that banner and and and really represent or or are you just or are you comfortable with it all?

24:30 Speaker 2: Uh? That's a good question. You know, it's a little bit of both. I guess yeah, I mean, I I I'm comfortable with it because I have never known anything else. Yeah, you know, I've been on stage since I was, you know, a kid, so you know, I mean people have been taking pictures of me since I was a kid. You know, people have I've always uh treated me a little different, you know. Sure, But then again, you know this is the weird part. Okay, Like, so I grew up in music and playing and everything, but I also lived in like a really bad neighborhood.

25:12 Speaker 2: You know, Lower East Side was dangerous. It was pretty scary back then. A lot of gangs, a lot of drugs, and so like my day life was like I was getting pretty much picked on, you know, beat up or jumped or whatever, you know, messed with and life kind of sucked. And then you know, the sun goes down and I'm at the clubs and I'm like a happening almost celebrity type. So it was like definitely a weird, you know mix of you know, elements in my life. But I'm just lucky I had the music because you know, I fell into drugs pretty hard early.

25:53 Speaker 2: I go into a lot of crime. I was, you know, I was homeless for a lot of years. I moved out of my moms when I was like fifteen, fourteen fifteen, and yeah, I want you're hiking out to the West Coast, and I was, you know, living in a lot of squats. I lived in you know, abandoned I lived in an abandoned brewery. I was actually living in like an air vent for a while in it. And you know, you would just find someplace that you could be safe, you know, someplace where you weren't going to get you know, accosted or you know violated, you know, right in the night.

26:26 Speaker 2: You know, you'd find someplace where you can sleep. You have groups of friends that you know, you kind of where each other's support system. You know. Yeah, I really was, you know, shoplifting to eat, and you know, I went through a period where I was, you know, a bit of a criminal you know, I mean, I was robbing people. You know, I've done some things that are quite regrettable. But you know, when you're on the street and you're a kid, and you know, you you sometimes forced into situations that are not just awkward, but you know, sometimes you have to do things that you might not normally do if you were living a different life, you.

27:07 Speaker 1: Know, right right. One of the interviews that I watched, I'd like to give credit to whoever it was you were talking to, but now I can't remember because I watched several of them, but you were talking about this about how no matter how bad things get, you know, sometimes all it takes is one good thing to just kind of turn everything around for you, and then it makes everything that happened up to that point suddenly is not a big deal because you have that triumph of overcoming it all. And I've just found that really inspiring because it is true.

27:39 Speaker 1: You know, we've all been through those times where we're at our absolute lowest point and then you know, and then sometimes all it takes is one good thing, whether it's luck or whatever it is that they can really turn everything around for you. And that's why I find your story very inspiring.

27:59 Speaker 2: You know what I tell people all the time, you know, there was a period well, I mean there's been many times in my life where I actually probably should have given up or you know, but I just you know, many times I've felt that way. But you you know, your lungs are still going to fill with air. You're you know, you're still going to be sitting there. You know, you can mentally want to give up, but your body is still sitting there. And then okay, I give up. Okay, now what Okay? Now I need to eat, Now I need to sleep.

28:38 Speaker 2: Okay. So actually I don't really have the opera the choice of giving up. I'm just you know, emotionally, i feel like I'm giving up, but I'm still alive and I still have to exist and fight through this, you know, and uh yeah, you know I And what I tell people is, you know, like when my my life absolutely took a dive, like I, you know, I in twenty twelve, I was really I hit a wall. I like the mother of my kids split on me, took my kids. I got assaulted going through a promags show that I wasn't playing.

29:16 Speaker 2: It was like a fraudulent promags and like I got assaulted by like a bunch of gang members and wow in the hospital and Rikers Yeah, I put three dudes. I got jumped by like about six seven dudes. I got stabbed. I got like forty something stitches, but I put three of them in the hospital. They all walked away knowing that I'm definitely not someone to play with, right, you know, part of my reputation, Like, you know, my reputation increased that night because all these guys thought they were tough and they realized you don't corner a wild animal.

29:52 Speaker 2: You just don't. Yeah, and you know, so my life really took a turn for the worst. I was sitting in Rikers On, I'm like, oh my god, my, you know, the mother and my kids. I've been with her fourteen years. She just like ripped my heart out and threw it in the gutter, and she took my kids from me. The only good thing that I feel like I had ever really achieved was being you know, father to them. The music and all that other stuff didn't matter to me as much as you know, fixing my own childhood through being their father.

30:24 Speaker 2: You know, I was doing all the things that I didn't get to do. I was you know, going to playgrounds and going to museums and doing all the things that I should have been doing when I was a kid, but wasn't right. You know. I was finally lived that, and then all of a sudden, everything just got crushed and I really could have given up. You know, I was in the newspapers, not on the news. I was you know, I was in cab TV, you know, count Rockers, stabs, blah lah lah. You know, it was like this big, big drama.

30:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, fast forward and uh, I'm in the best place I've ever been in in my life. You know, if you would have told me that, then I would have said, you know, if you would have told me I was going to go through the next however, many years, you know, ten years before I would really feel, you know, like I was back on top of my game, I would have given up. I probably would have said, you know what, feel me now, because I don't think I can last that long feeling this way. Yeah, But you know now that I am on the other side of that, you know, it's it's in my rear view mirror.

31:32 Speaker 2: Man, it's another it's just another Yeah. It was rough. Yeah, it was tough. But you know what, I'm still here and I'm doing great. And that's why I say to people all the time, it doesn't matter how bad things are or what you're going through, something could change all of that, and you just you don't have the strength or the will to get to that point. You know, you're not going to know, right, you know, if you just if you your life or give up or whatever, you know, like you don't, you'll never know what could have happened, what good could have came to you.

32:07 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, death is inevitable. It's like the one thing we don't have to work for. It's coming, right, So why why run to it? Why run that direction? You're going to get there? Yeah, And if you just slow down your pace a little bit and try to enjoy the ride a little bit and like look around as you're moving, you know, life is actually pretty amazing, you know. I mean, yeah, it's full of trauma, full of drama, full of pain, suffering and everything else. But that's not all there is.

32:41 Speaker 1: Right right, Well, very well said.

32:46 Speaker 2: You know.

32:47 Speaker 1: By the way, so when you when you went on through all that in twenty twelve, like what what did you what did you do to help help yourself get through it. I mean, did you did you just kind of lean more on the jiu jitsu or I mean, what, uh is there anything specifically you did to really help yourself pull through that?

33:04 Speaker 2: You know what? It was just a string of good fortune, you know.

33:09 Speaker 1: Yeah.

33:09 Speaker 2: I had been working on a book for a while and around that time I met the person that I eventually wound up marrying and she became my editor. She was, you know, she had a PhD. And you know she I'm sorry, has a PhD. She's you know, super smart, she's a lawyer, she's a CEO of her own company. She's really got her she's she's one of the most you know, inspiring and as kicking humans I've known. And you know, she had started working on editing my book with me right before all this happened, So she knew that what she was seeing in the news and everything was not true.

33:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, and she believed in me. She had she knew I wasn't this psycho who went on like a stabbing spree at a nightclub. She was like, I've seen him with his kids all the time. He's like a good guy. He's a good person. He's a great father, He's he does have a heart. He's not this crazy madman. So yeah, you know, we just got closer and closer. And I got to say that between her, between her and Henzo Gracie and having that the Academy, and you know that really gave me what I needed, just the support system to keep going.

34:43 Speaker 2: And and again, you know, one thing people need to know too, is like, you know, you can have your heart broken, you can have your spirit broken, but you know, the heart heals. Man, It's like one of the most resilient muscles in the body, you know. I mean, I I never thought I'd be able to love someone again, and I'm again, I'm I'm happier than I've ever been. I'm in the best relationship I've ever been in. And so I mean, I guess the moral of this is, no matter how bleak things seem, you really just can't give up.

35:22 Speaker 2: You know, you actually can't. You know, life is too beautiful to just throw in the towel. Man. You got to fight for what you want, man.

35:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And also too, I mean, you're you know, you're you've kept yourself an incredible physical shape. The most most men your age, I don't are not in the kind of physical shape that you're in. And you know, obviously how we take care of ourselves physically affects how we feel mentally and emotionally and all of that. So that's that's an important piece of this too. I think.

35:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I exercise every day. I do like an hour of cardio almost like, I do between forty minutes to an hour every day. And you know, I trained jiu jitsu in box, you know, at least a couple of times a week. I do at least thirty minutes of shadow boxing every day. I'm I'm i border I'm obsessed, you know. And but there's you know, reasons it starters it. I'm in great shape because of it. Yeah, it helps my It helps my mind, you know, it relieves stress. It keeps me a little bit you know, more grounded, and and you know, I take my job very serious, man.

36:33 Speaker 2: I want to go out on stage and kill it. So I do more cardio every day than I know I'm going to be on stage, right, I know I have an hour that I have to do. I make sure that I do an hour of cardio every day leading up to that tour. You know, the last tour we did. We only had a half hour set because we were opening up for Danzig, and I had so much energy. I was like, you know, my, my, my show would be over and I'd be like doing you know, a couple hundred push ups right as soon as I walk off the stage, just like, yeah, man, let's go.

37:07 Speaker 2: I'll go another forty minutes. Man, let's do this, you know. So yeah, I feel great, man, Yeah, I feel great. My wife said the other day. You know, I'm like, honey, I feel you know, I lost a little weight, you know, because I've been exercising differently. I'm not working for strength as much as as endurance right now. It's because I have to prioritize. I have this tour coming up, so I'm really working on just being able to go all out for an hour. That's my mission, right. So yeah, and she's like, she told me, you know, yeah, you got you lost a little bit of weight, but you look great.

37:43 Speaker 2: You look like you did when you were in your twenties. And she's met me in my twenties, so you know what, I'm almost I'm sorry, I think I almost said a bed word. I'm almost sixty, bro, I'm fifty eight years ago, and the fact that my wife, who knew me in my twenties, says I still look the same, like physically, you know, that says a lot.

38:07 Speaker 1: Man, it does.

38:10 Speaker 2: I got I got. I go between a six to an eight pack, depending on how many leglifts I do it right, I'm in shape, I got veins in my arms, I'm still cut, you know. Yeah, And it's important, man. You know, I see people half my aage who like struggle walking upstairs. You know. I see people who have like a hard time getting up off the couch, and I'm like, I see parents in the playground who are like so out of shape that they can't even keep up with their kids or play with them, right right, Like, I don't even see your point in breeding if you're going to be so out of shape that you're just going to raise more out of shape people like you know, do you know, if you're gonna have kids, get your life together, be healthy, set an example for them, you know.

38:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, people, I always let the idea of the dad bod. You know what, I had my kids, I started working out twice as hard. Yeah, you know, because I'm like I want to I want to set an example for them. I want them to know that health is wealth. Man. You know, you've got to work, You got to take care of yourself. You got to get in there and grind. Man. I used to bring their strollers to the gym with me, you know, and they'd sit there in their strollers while I was working out. You know. I started bringing them to the academy when they were like six months old.

39:25 Speaker 2: I wanted them to see, this is what men are supposed to do. They're supposed to be in shape, they're supposed to be active. You know.

39:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I've always said, well, I've always said too, there's a there's a weird thing culturally in the United States, and maybe this exists other places too. But you know, we, uh, we feed our I don't have any children on my own, but you know we feed our kids like almost right out of the shoot, all kinds of sugar and and you know, it's like, uh, you know, right right out of the gate. We teach our kids, you know, this is what this is what you should enjoy the most. His cake and candy and all this stuff.

40:02 Speaker 1: And then we raise generations of diabetics, you know, and and and and gee, I wonder why.

40:10 Speaker 2: You know badly. It's you know, all part of a bigger picture. I mean the you know, the they want to I say they I hate to turn into one of those people, but it's like basically if they you know, they want you as long as long as you could be part of the workforce, and then and then they just want you to pay medical bills. You know. It's just like how how can the system get the most out of you and give you the least and just keep you, you know, another little meaningless screw in the machine, right, you know, It's like work hard, get sick, and keep giving them money until you die, you know.

40:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, and I do think it's a I hate using the word conspiracy, but I do think that there is a little bit of a you know, throughout the history of this country, they've done a lot of you know, they really have polluted us. You know, there's a lot of foods in this country that are not even legal in other countries, like food colorings and different artificials, sweeteners, and various ingredients and chemicals that they use in our foods that are literally banned in other countries. Sure, what did all tell you that tells you that somebody's making money off of keeping us unhealthy.

41:30 Speaker 2: You know, I've been a vegetarian since nineteen eighty two. Oh yeah, and you know I was you know.

41:39 Speaker 1: I was surprised by that too. You mentioned that in one of the interviews that I watched, and that was interesting to me because I would imagine a lot of people you tell that too, are surprised because you know, you've got a lot of muscle on you, and I think there's a obviously it's a misconception because you're proof of this this idea that you can't you know that if you're a vegetarian, you can't build muscle, but you obviously have built muscle as a vegetarian, and as you said, you've been a vegetarian for a very long time.

42:07 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know what, there's a lot of myths in the health industry, you know. I mean, they do most of their research on rats, you know, I mean, and rats require a lot more protein than people. Yeah, but you know, and also people don't realize that there is actually protein and vegetables, you know, I mean, for you know, like all those fake burgers that they make now, like what they called.

42:39 Speaker 1: Impossible Burger.

42:41 Speaker 2: That stuff's made from like pea protein. You know, peas have protein, Broccoli has protein. You know. So and unless you're like trying to you don't be like a body builder. You don't really as much protein as people think. Yeah, you know. And so unless unless you're like literally trying to, you know, bulk up and you know, be like you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger or something, you don't need. You know, people always talking about you need one grand of protein for every you know, I don't. I don't know if all that's true.

43:16 Speaker 9: Man.

43:17 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I know, I'm in good shape.

43:22 Speaker 7: You know.

43:22 Speaker 2: My wife just put out a book book too, So I mean, if people are interested in what I eat for you know, to maintain uh, she put just Laurel Leaflanagan. She just put out a book called Hardcore Vegetarian. Oh and it's not it's not a book that like dashes meat eating or anything like that, you know, it's it's actually just a lot of recipes to try to bring more vegetables into your diet. Yeah, you know, it's not so much about it's just about you know, learning more about food and adding new things to your diet that you didn't know about and stuff and so for people who want to know what I do to stay in shape.

44:01 Speaker 2: Obviously I exercise a lot, but you know, what you put into your body is critical too.

44:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Harley, we're approaching.

44:12 Speaker 2: I know met leaders who are in great shape too. Everybody is different, so I also I also I'm not one of these like militant vegetarians who is like you know, I kind of used to be. But the fact is is, you know what, vegetables at plants are also alive, you know, so I can't judge people for eating meat. You know, my vegetables were alive, and if any if anything, I'm more against the you know, industrial uh industry of the meat industry, and like the way it like if people were still you know, hunter gatherers like we were, uh, you know, factory farming is really what what what is destroying not just our health but the planet, you know, Like the meat industry is really toxic, like the all the pollution that comes out of the waste and and you know how I mean, it goes on and on.

45:20 Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit here and like preach. Anybody can do the research. But you know, if you're gonna eat meat, I think you should eat you know, it should be healthy. It should be like you know, grass fed, you should or you should be hunting it yourself, or you know, there has to be some sort of respect for for nature, right, you know, right, you don't respect don't yourself. It's gonna go bad. It's just you know, we see the results.

45:51 Speaker 1: Oh no, well said well Harley, we are. The time goes quickly. We are approaching the top of the hour. But this has been incredible. I'm really glad you joined us.

45:59 Speaker 2: Today, man, thank you for having me.

46:02 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. We should remind people before we go. And by the way, in a moment we're going to I'm going to close out the segment with Life of my Own, another great track, but uh, we should remind people Wired for Chaos is coming out. It's gonna be in theaters middle of the month. I think you.

46:17 Speaker 2: Said, yeah, what's the date on that again? I think it's gonna be uh see.

46:28 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you said the fift.

46:31 Speaker 2: June fifteenth, that hits the theaters, okay, and uh doing like a theater tour with the film with Q and a's and and all that stuff. So it'll uh you know, and and then it will be available streaming and so on and so forth. So and you know, I think it's a it's a it's a it's a good story. It's a good film, even if you are not interested in you know, punk rock or hardcore music. Everybody who's seen this thing told me that they were able to really identify with the story, you know, because although I've had a unique experience, you know, my life has been I don't know if anybody else has lived a life exactly like mine, but we've all experienced trauma.

47:20 Speaker 2: We've all experienced you know, different types of you know, pain, stress, you know, everybody has suffered. Everybody's gone through things that were difficult. So I mean, I you know, whether it was you know, you're a broken family, your parents separating, whether it was you know, divorced, losing your kids, whether it was you know, getting arrested, whether it was struggling with drugs or this or that. There's a lot of things in this film that I think most humans can identify with because nobody has an easy ride, and I think it gives a little bit of hope maybe, you know, I mean, because if I have made it through the things I made it through, I think I think most people I think just about anybody, can you know what I mean?

48:10 Speaker 2: A lot of people out there have suffered harder than me, but you know a lot of people have suffered harder than me and done well right right, So that said, I just don't believe in giving up. And if I can give anybody just a little bit of hope or the strength to believe in yourself, then you know, then my time on this earth was not a waste.

48:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well said, well said. I agree. And by the way, too, I'll remind people you've got a great website, Harleyflanagan dot com for people who want to learn more about you and about the film. And you've got a tour coming up and coming up really.

48:46 Speaker 2: Fast, right, you're you're that Monday is.

48:52 Speaker 1: All right, very good Germany somewhere.

48:55 Speaker 2: On Tuesday or Wednesday, and the day I get home, I'm doing a Q and A. So yeah, let's do it.

49:01 Speaker 1: You gotta you got a full schedule. Well listen, So we'll close with this track Life of my Own and but we'll let you go, Harley flanagain, thank you so much. Let's let's do this again in the future. I could I could talk to you forever. Man. This has been fascinating, so I'm really glad you joined us this morning.

49:17 Speaker 2: This is fun and you can have me on anytime. It would be a pleasure to talk to you again.

49:22 Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome, all right Harley flanagain, thank you so much, my friend.

49:25 Speaker 2: Take care my pleasure, take care of men.

49:28 Speaker 1: All right, you got it? Bye bye, all right Harley Flanagan of the Crowmags, and I'm really looking forward to seeing the documentary Wired for Chaos, And we're gonna end with this track. This is another great song, Memories.

50:20 Speaker 3: At the time.

50:21 Speaker 10: You well, that's the way enough to say.

50:25 Speaker 1: So you'll fight by your rights.

50:33 Speaker 11: You'll fight he's.

50:35 Speaker 4: A vile.

50:38 Speaker 12: You'll come.

50:39 Speaker 13: Tell us WHOA.

50:44 Speaker 3: Where the mother?

50:45 Speaker 11: The accept your soul?

50:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's fool.

50:54 Speaker 11: Where nothing excepting soul?

50:59 Speaker 7: What you want that? How you want it?

51:04 Speaker 3: Sounds like a.

51:08 Speaker 11: Please yourself people, look press.

51:13 Speaker 14: What all the time?

51:14 Speaker 3: When you lay riss.

51:18 Speaker 13: Your time?

51:19 Speaker 3: Show us whoa.

51:23 Speaker 7: With mother?

51:25 Speaker 1: That sucked yourself?

51:29 Speaker 12: Your lady?

51:30 Speaker 15: Wow?

51:34 Speaker 12: But the money that stuck yourself.

52:38 Speaker 16: In times of crisis. You need a law firm that stands by your side. With over forty years of experience, Craig and Getsulus is dedicated to fighting for your rights. As former state prosecutors, our attorneys have the knowledge and trial experience to provide an aggressive defense against any charge, from DUIs to homicides. If you've been injured, our compassionate team will assess your case and fight for the compensation you deserve. Serving all of New Hampshire. Craigan get Zulus is here when you need us most.

53:06 Speaker 16: Visit craig atzulis dot com for a free consultation. Craigan Getszulus, your advocates, your.

53:12 Speaker 17: Allies bring your kitchen to life with Queen Citycabinetry, located at eighty seven Elm Street in the historic Sunbeam Mall in Manchester, open Monday through Friday nine.

53:24 Speaker 5: Am to five thirty pm, in Saturdays ten.

53:27 Speaker 17: Am to two pm. They can be reached at six oh three two two two to zero zero seven or on the web at Queen citycabinatree NH dot com. Come see the possibility is Queen Citycabinetry, another proud sponsor of WMNH.

53:46 Speaker 5: Disneys Cafe is the place to put us. Smile on your face.

53:49 Speaker 18: Judy and the crew will take care of you, bring your appetite and treat your taste. Bus right Business Cafe is always a winning choice. Breakfast, lunch or supper is Cafe at eight sixty Elm Street in downtown Manchester. Dine in, take out or make a reservation call six O three six oh six two five three two, Eat, drink and be happy Dizz's Cafe.

54:15 Speaker 19: When it comes to keeping WMNH on the air and your own personal or business computer needs, trust growl In Computers, located on Elm Street in Manchester. Grollin handles computer repair, virus removal and custom built systems. Are you looking for budget friendly options, check out our selection of fully inspected used computers. We offer tailored on site solutions no unnecessary expenses here. Visit Grolind dot com or call Grolling Computers at six zero three six four five zero one zero one.

54:44 Speaker 5: Your tech, your way. Trust groll In Computers.

54:54 Speaker 9: Seven times out of ten. We listened to our music at nice Don title program.

55:04 Speaker 17: Late Night to Light with Dj Mitas right here on w MNH Manchester.

55:09 Speaker 2: Because Saturdays and Sunday nights midnight to four am.

55:15 Speaker 20: This hour on wm NH is sponsored by CGI Business Solutions, located at five Dartmouth Drive in Auburn. They serve all your business needs including employee benefits, planning, corporate design and business administration, investments and wealth management and customized business insurance solutions. Their phone number is eight sixty six eighty four to one forty six hundred, or on the web at CGI Business Solutions dot com.

55:47 Speaker 21: Behold the harmony of airwaves as you immerse yourself in the captivating frequencies of w m NHLP. Their sonic Cardbeats of Manchester is the transcending through the ether ninety five point three Mega hurts frequency modulation. Our transmissions EM and E from the zenith of one thousand Dolm Streets insur into the hearts of our creative realm at one nineteen Canal.

56:08 Speaker 5: Street, where innovation and sound collide.

56:11 Speaker 21: They're the impro moder of Manchester Public Television Service in the venerable City of.

56:16 Speaker 5: Manchester, New Hampshire, USA.

56:18 Speaker 21: Enrich your auditory journey with the depth of our license to wesidens you spent your missives to w m n H ninety five three at gmail dot com or traverse the virtual corridors of Wmnhradio dot org. Engage with our sonic vibrations by communing with us through the digital channel our radio beckons eager to enthrall you with its mesmerizing kittence and develop you with a symphony of boundless auditories.

56:42 Speaker 2: Won dude, wmn h.

56:48 Speaker 22: Rip the novels, sit in her hair, in this chair thing again, wander wear hair, this.

57:34 Speaker 23: World school socks of wool, horror, all low round, watch.

57:56 Speaker 24: These buildings, grumble to don't grab.

58:08 Speaker 25: Savery body, change.

58:14 Speaker 7: The true then its not.

58:20 Speaker 13: She has.

58:23 Speaker 7: This change.

58:26 Speaker 26: Wady m wading wady way.

58:46 Speaker 7: See this hay.

58:49 Speaker 23: Spreading through the crowd. Foldings are along two parties, says Sto. Designed to devin.

59:24 Speaker 11: Friends and family.

59:27 Speaker 7: But she on shibodies change the change.

59:55 Speaker 2: When when he.

59:57 Speaker 23: Rea balla chest shuts. Oh they all those strings. We'll just pop it in this bulletle go ry.

1:01:17 Speaker 27: Lead with your hall heart loves wear it all big games.

1:01:29 Speaker 7: Let's stand together.

1:01:33 Speaker 28: And learn to love Fugain.

1:01:41 Speaker 1: That is a very very cool song. Everybody's changing. And let me get that mic up, and I'm going to ask I'm gonna ask him to so I don't screw up his last name. Welcome, how do you? Okay, go ahead and introduce yourself, Sarah. Let me get these make sure this mic is working here, go ahead and introduce yourself.

1:02:01 Speaker 6: My name is Stephen de Keir, Stephen de Cure, local musician from Nashua, New Hampshire. I played full time all around New Hampshire in the Massachusetts area. Tonight I'll be in a York Maine, York beach playing from seven to ten pm. Okay to the show.

1:02:20 Speaker 1: Very cool, very cool. Yeah, so Stephen de Kure, yes, as I say it, Okay, very good, very good. Because you're I'm curious if your name ever gets messed up on a poster.

1:02:29 Speaker 6: Like gets messed up all the time all the time.

1:02:33 Speaker 1: Yes that I'm gonna get this camera on you here so people can see who are watching online if you are just joining us. Matt Connorton Unleashed. We have entered our number two New Marrow dose here on this Saturday morning, and Stephen de Kere is with us, and he brought his guitar. He's gonna play, He's gonna play for us in just a moment. But I love that song. So where was that recorded? Where did you do that?

1:02:55 Speaker 6: So I've been recording with h Charlie Brusso over at Woodshot Productions in Atkinson, New Hampshire. Okay, He's worked with like God, Smack and run DMC over the years, some pretty prominent names. Yeah, he's good friends of mine, a few of my other friends. So I've been working with him and I've been working on this EP coming out now on almost two years now. I've been working on it.

1:03:19 Speaker 1: Oh wow, yep. Now, how did you? How did you come to work with him? Because obviously you know he's worked with some heavy hitters. I mean, how did that come about?

1:03:24 Speaker 6: So just mutual friends of my mom and dads and friend music friends of ours that I've known throughout the years. Uh, you know put me in touch with him, and I've been working with him ever since.

1:03:39 Speaker 1: How many are you putting out an EP or how many?

1:03:42 Speaker 6: Just an EP? It's my very first EP, so it'll be six songs.

1:03:45 Speaker 1: Oh wow, song EP, Very cool. Congratulations on that.

1:03:50 Speaker 5: Who else is on?

1:03:51 Speaker 1: Who else is working?

1:03:52 Speaker 2: Like?

1:03:52 Speaker 1: Is it all just you?

1:03:54 Speaker 6: It's mostly just me. I have obviously Charlie producing it. He's putting most of it together for me. But I also have Jeff McGinnis. He's one of my lead guitarists on the on the track on the album as well. He was guitarist on everybody's changing as well. Oh okay, and he's super super talented, super super talented guy. Really nice. He actually owns the Mojo's music.

1:04:17 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh very cool.

1:04:19 Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's what I'm working with on on that, and getting some other people in for bass and things like that, and usually I just do it myself though.

1:04:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, do you want to play something for us? You got your guitar, let me turn that, turn that guitar, apierro play. I've got the right. Oh that sounds nice. That sounds nice in the headphones.

1:04:37 Speaker 6: Yeah, all right. This one's called Quiet Moments. This is an original.

1:05:05 Speaker 29: Quiet Moments.

1:05:08 Speaker 3: All the long.

1:05:16 Speaker 12: Hours Friday, my been Lord.

1:05:27 Speaker 11: Fill these pages.

1:05:30 Speaker 15: And the stories, range them your homeway, sing.

1:05:42 Speaker 12: Them for me, looking at my window as.

1:05:50 Speaker 30: The sun creeks to day, birds of singing, clean tree zoo tree writing songs come suweesly, surrounded by n chs.

1:06:06 Speaker 28: Beaudy, play the skits.

1:06:25 Speaker 30: Are day in tunhide, create the fire high.

1:06:38 Speaker 7: I know you like.

1:06:46 Speaker 15: Fill these pages, stormble store homies, arrange them your home way. Sing for me.

1:07:07 Speaker 12: Looking out my window is two clowns over the day. Window is boring meaning song its way.

1:07:18 Speaker 15: Writing songs come sueezs me surrounded by niechous beudy quiet moments.

1:08:07 Speaker 3: All along.

1:08:14 Speaker 12: House is empty.

1:08:18 Speaker 7: No once.

1:08:25 Speaker 15: Fill these pages, flownly stor homies, arrange them your Hollway

1:08:39 Speaker 15: sing for me.

1:09:17 Speaker 6: Quite a Moment's a little rough, but you know a little rough, dude.

1:09:20 Speaker 1: That was beautiful. That was beautiful. Welcome everybody, if you are just joining us. We have Steven Dekiri here with us, alive in studio and that's that sounded fantastic.

1:09:31 Speaker 6: Thank you.

1:09:32 Speaker 1: How long have you been? How long have you been doing this? So have you been?

1:09:35 Speaker 9: No?

1:09:35 Speaker 6: I have been playing. So I started playing guitar when I was seven years old. Okay, my uncle got me an electric electric guitar, so I was playing you know Metallica, Iron Maiden, you know all the Megadeath, you know Green Day. And then when I was freshman in high school, I had to do a guitar class, so I had to get an acoustic guitar because I didn't have enough for all the kids. So sure, I had to go buy one, got one. Never looked back. Yeah, eleven plans since I was like seven, and I've been doing uh like full time gigging for about a little over ten years.

1:10:10 Speaker 1: Oh excellent, excellent.

1:10:11 Speaker 15: Wow.

1:10:11 Speaker 1: Where are you from?

1:10:12 Speaker 2: Uh?

1:10:12 Speaker 9: So?

1:10:13 Speaker 6: I was born in Lawrence, Massachusetts. Okay, moved to Nashville when I was about six years old. So I've been in Nasha since about two thousand and two thousand and one.

1:10:21 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Now, how did you how did you when when you were starting out? I mean, did you always do a solo acoustic thing or did you play a band?

1:10:31 Speaker 6: An I've always done solo acoustic.

1:10:33 Speaker 5: Yeah.

1:10:34 Speaker 6: Over the years now that I've you know, been doing it for a while, I've been trying to work more with like, you know, bands and like get up on stage with bands and as far as that goes. But yeah, I usually just do it solo.

1:10:45 Speaker 1: It's easier, right, I Mean it's you know, you don't depend on anybody else for yeah, their availability and in terms of rehearsing and playing shows and.

1:10:54 Speaker 6: All that, exactly exactly. It's it's a it's a little bit it's a little bit easier to go about a business wise.

1:11:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Do you do covers as well or I do do covers as well? Yeah?

1:11:06 Speaker 9: I do.

1:11:06 Speaker 6: I do mostly covers even at all my shows. Yeah, Like I said this, is the first EP I have coming out. So these are my first original songs that I have. Yeah, and so I mostly do covers and things like that.

1:11:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, how many originals do you have at this point? Would you say? I mean, can you even put a number on how many songs you have?

1:11:23 Speaker 6: I have about like six or seven okay, okay? I said, I raally just started writing about maybe a year or two ago, okay, and moved back into you know, my parents and stuff, and yeah, my dad's been helping me a lot with you know, the writing, and oh good, help me put together the music and things like that.

1:11:42 Speaker 1: What is it that motivated you to want to start writing?

1:11:45 Speaker 6: I'd really just want to get my own music out there. I mean, I play, I do all the covers, I play live full time, and you know the next step is to get onto my own stage. Yeah hopefully you know what I mean, and have people come see my music. Yeah, yeah exactly, you know, put music out there that you know can help people along the way. And yeah, the ways that music's held me along the way.

1:12:06 Speaker 1: You know you want to play another one?

1:12:08 Speaker 6: Yeah of course?

1:12:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if you're just joining us, Stephen the Cure am I saying it right? Is he is here with us in in studio sounding amazing?

1:12:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct, and hear another one?

1:12:19 Speaker 15: Does that?

1:12:19 Speaker 7: Ever?

1:12:19 Speaker 1: Does?

1:12:20 Speaker 31: Uh? I?

1:12:21 Speaker 1: I assume, like, what what's the I'm just curious, what's the most unusual, shall we say, pronunciation? You've heard of your name?

1:12:31 Speaker 6: I mean I've had, I've had, I've had the queer, I've had the choir, I've had, I've felt a lot. Yeah, declare, declare mind better?

1:12:41 Speaker 1: How did you say it? I don't remember?

1:12:42 Speaker 4: He is.

1:12:44 Speaker 31: Blue?

1:12:45 Speaker 1: Oh, yes, there you go. That sounds.

1:12:48 Speaker 6: I've had people put a queue in front of it.

1:12:50 Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, yeah, yeah, I can imagine. Sious. What are you gonna play for us next?

1:12:56 Speaker 6: I'm gonna do so. I'm actually gonna do a cover for you. This is Raylea Montanez empty.

1:13:00 Speaker 32: Nice, nice, shameless, skirt up two knees, walks through the garden rooms where the bed feel laugh, never learned to come up.

1:13:45 Speaker 30: This sings choosing stair too dwell in mass, walk on down the hill through the grasscon in rounds the sardsmounts to that go of life. Babe, I'm best busty back then holding rusty gotta like that sinks into this fields collecting.

1:14:14 Speaker 29: Ray Willow rays feel this way, so.

1:14:28 Speaker 33: See so Wes Strange.

1:14:42 Speaker 30: Enough these got dog busted sunset, these colding damn biden mornings.

1:14:48 Speaker 7: I used frown field.

1:14:53 Speaker 30: Through market and dusty, I'm still leaves, spoke these words down loud, no one here me feel blouse across the chair, bid four flowers from your hair and gets me with a country mouth sore plain matside the rain and stepping on leaves. To me, it sounds like they're blooding us.

1:15:21 Speaker 6: Quite love me.

1:15:25 Speaker 33: Will ways feel this way, soty, So Wess Strange, will love looks my team means in the stap in my chair.

1:15:56 Speaker 30: Said to your best to destroy me. You see, I've been the helling back so many times. I standing been kind of for me. There's a lot of things I can give the man. There's a lot of ways to die. Yes, since I'm already there to walk side me, and there's a whole lot of things. I don't understand why so many people lie. Let's not hurt you ifuse the firingside me.

1:16:35 Speaker 33: Willow always feel this way.

1:16:45 Speaker 2: So.

1:16:47 Speaker 33: See, so Wes Strange.

1:17:08 Speaker 1: Steven Dick Currer here with us live in studio that was amazing. That was a raal Lemming I can't say his name either song. That was gorgeous. Yeah, that was really a beautiful light. That was really good. That was really good.

1:17:24 Speaker 6: So much.

1:17:25 Speaker 1: Is there anyone that you covered that you found challenging to do, like vocally.

1:17:29 Speaker 6: Or Steely Dan Amy Winehouse really yeh Yeah. Vocally they're pretty challenging. I mean some of the new Benson Boone songs that I've been working on challenging as well.

1:17:42 Speaker 1: Now what is it about so somebody like I'm curious that somebody like seely Dan for example, What what is it that's that's challenging about that?

1:17:48 Speaker 6: Oh my god. They are such nerds when it comes to the musicality of it. Yeah, pronunciation of when when you know you're singing. And I mean Michael McDonald didn't injury about how when he was recording PEG with Donald Fagan and how he was very That's what I'm looking for.

1:18:10 Speaker 6: He wanted it perfectly. He wanted it perfectly every single time. So just pronunciation with his words, how he was pronunciating it, I was singing it everything. It took him like seventeen to eighteen takes. Can do the harmonies on peg or whatever he goes. It was one of the hardest things I've ever read to do.

1:18:23 Speaker 1: Oh wow wow. Yeah. Is it important to you when when you do these covers? Is it important to you to sing them as closely as possible to the original?

1:18:31 Speaker 6: I like to bring a justice but also make it my own. Yeah, give it my own twist on it in a way, so it's not oh hey, he's just you know, like the other everybody else the run of the mill, right right, Yeah, stand out a little bit.

1:18:43 Speaker 1: So yeah, no doubt, no doubt. What are do you have a favorite? Like, do you have a favorite cover that you do? Is there one that really kind of stands out as something to every show?

1:18:53 Speaker 6: Or I just I went over this, I get this question, actually asked a lot. Yeah, it's hard to say. I have like almost two hundred songs that I play off to on my head, so yeah, it's hard to like pick and choose. It's usually ones that like I'm like just learning or you know what I mean, just getting out there to play. Yeah, as of lately it's been Noah Kn's Dial drunk and really enjoying playing that one out lately.

1:19:16 Speaker 1: Yeah.

1:19:16 Speaker 6: Yeah, it kind of always fluctuates for me.

1:19:18 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, what's the longest show you've done?

1:19:22 Speaker 2: Oh?

1:19:22 Speaker 6: Man, the longest show I've done. I think was like seven and a half hours.

1:19:25 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Okay, tell me about it. Way seven and a half hours.

1:19:29 Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a private pool party.

1:19:31 Speaker 1: Because usually when I ask people this question, I'll get like, oh, you know we did a five hours like seven and a half yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:19:37 Speaker 6: So like I did like a lot of like the shows like l Street Tavern last year, and yeah, there was a couple of times like that. I had to do both of the shows because one of the guys canceled. Yeah, so I had to go in there early, play it from like three to three thirty to seven thirty, then play seven thirty to midnight or wow. Yeah it was it's rough. It's rough.

1:19:58 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but why we do it?

1:20:00 Speaker 6: You know what I mean?

1:20:01 Speaker 1: When you do something like that? Do you do anything special for your voice too?

1:20:04 Speaker 6: I really just drink tea and lemons. That's really all I do. Especially I didn't drink any today. I was running late this night.

1:20:10 Speaker 1: Oh you sound great, You sound great, and yeah, but pretty unusual to sing this early, probably right, it is for me.

1:20:18 Speaker 6: Usually usually I'm waking up at like three really yeah, yeah, getting ready to go to work at six.

1:20:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, there you go, yep. So and as far as playing, I mean, obviously with what you do, you're able to play. You know, you can play just about anywhere, but just about like do you get out of do you get out of New England much?

1:20:38 Speaker 6: Or do you kind of stick to I Actually I haven't played. I play in Massachusetts a lot. Yeah, do like Brownies Pub. I usually do Muddy Waters where's that that's in Methune as well. Oh okay, yep, and then a few other places that I've played, But other than that, I usually stay in New Hampshire.

1:20:59 Speaker 1: No kidding, Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, I mean it's remarkable with you do a lot of breweries. I assume I do a lot of breweries.

1:21:05 Speaker 9: I do.

1:21:05 Speaker 6: So I work with not so costly productions. Oh excellent, Dmitri.

1:21:09 Speaker 1: No wonder you're so busy? Yeah yeah, yeah, they do a great job.

1:21:12 Speaker 6: Yeah, so I work with them. I've been working with Paul Costley and dmitriy for over god probably about eight years now, no kidding, Yeah, I'm working with them for a long time.

1:21:22 Speaker 1: Outstanding.

1:21:23 Speaker 6: Yeah, They've been nothing but good to me, and they helped me out with shows and you know, and I booked myself as well and some other people or whatever that I know through the industry.

1:21:32 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it keeps me busy. Yeah no, that's fantastic.

1:21:35 Speaker 6: Out of trouble Yeah yeah, yeah.

1:21:38 Speaker 1: Do you want to play another one for us?

1:21:40 Speaker 5: Yeah?

1:21:40 Speaker 1: Of course, trying to hear you play another one selfishly if you're just joining us. We have Steven to cure here and he sounds sounds amazing. Yeah, level up on that guitar.

1:21:53 Speaker 6: What would you like to hear another cover?

1:21:55 Speaker 1: I'm going to leave that up to you. I'll leave that totally up to you.

1:22:00 Speaker 6: Let's do another original, all right? So this is this is the first single that I released off the EP, and I got it released on ninety two point five The River in Boston.

1:22:11 Speaker 1: Oh congratulations.

1:22:12 Speaker 6: Yeah. I was very excited about that. And it's called Towards the Sun Goes.

1:22:15 Speaker 1: I guess all right.

1:22:41 Speaker 15: It was so fil.

1:22:47 Speaker 3: We talked for was.

1:22:50 Speaker 12: Seeing nothing knows.

1:22:57 Speaker 30: Indo those stocks ready y Zack in bound things, sweet felt,

1:23:18 Speaker 30: sitting in on nacking sheep ship and stand from a cool glass shop. Zag wanna open towards the Sun. Sag wanna open bottom feron in live free time that we fall in not shoot a hand new car, You talk full Stan Street two mouthins nine at nine another slap in the face, and now we stand Mabie in your places.

1:25:00 Speaker 3: M h.

1:25:04 Speaker 12: I said he's a lone write his song in pain.

1:25:14 Speaker 30: Because I gown wanna oh bun it's sorts his son.

1:25:24 Speaker 12: Cauz I gown wanna open bottom fun.

1:25:34 Speaker 30: Cause I gown wanna old bye sordes son cauz I gown wanna open it's sorts of sound. H that gown wanna old bun swords of sun? Can that gown wanna old bun bowsome fun? Is that own wanna old bye sorts of sonnz gown wanna old.

1:26:47 Speaker 28: Bun sorts of sun.

1:26:54 Speaker 1: Towards the Sun? By Stephen Dick here Live in Studio. Fantastic, fantastic.

1:27:01 Speaker 2: What do you?

1:27:01 Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like your songs are pretty upbeat, Like what do you What do you like to write about?

1:27:07 Speaker 6: You know, I really like to write about, you know, things that people can relate to. Yeah, and they can you know, take from their own lives and you know, either use it to help them with whatever they have going on. I mean towards the sun for instances essentially about you know, no matter where you are in your life you're happy, down, sad, you know, depressed, whatever it is, there's always you know, look one eye towards the song. There's always something better. No matter where you are, if you're in a good spot, you can always be doing better.

1:27:35 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I mean. Just try and stay positive.

1:27:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, very good.

1:27:40 Speaker 6: Try and send out a positive vibe.

1:27:42 Speaker 1: I just noticed your shirt too. I didn't notice it first. Annie DiFranco. Yeah, I met her probably she Oh my god, it's more than twenty years ago now. She was playing at a show in Providence, okay, And at the time, I was working for a promoter, Joe Fletcher, who's he's not here. He's on the West Coast now, but he used to he used to have big world productions here in New Hamp'm sure, and so he was he was putting on shows around New England and he did a bunch of shows with her. But yeah, that's that's how I met her.

1:28:07 Speaker 1: And yeah, she was fantastic.

1:28:09 Speaker 6: She's absolutely incredible. So I just went and saw her first time I've ever seen her. I used to watch her show videos all the time. My mom got me into her. Yeah, I had front row seats with her, and I called out. I yelled out, shame play, shameless her whatever. And it happened to be the last song that she was going to.

1:28:27 Speaker 7: Play that night.

1:28:28 Speaker 1: Oh wow, she goes, Oh, you got lucky.

1:28:29 Speaker 6: I have I have a video of it. She handed me the set list. Oh okay, Yeah, it was really cool.

1:28:33 Speaker 1: Oh, very nice.

1:28:34 Speaker 6: Definitely awesome. She's incredible. Yeah, my favorites.

1:28:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. Was that recent or very recent?

1:28:40 Speaker 6: It was at the oh she's it was? It was in April nineteenth, Yeah, April nineteenth, I believe it was.

1:28:47 Speaker 1: Okay, where did you see her.

1:28:50 Speaker 6: In Summerville? Summerville was a Summerville theater.

1:28:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I haven't. I haven't kept up with her unfortunately, so but I assume she's still putting out. Uh she still her labeled you know, Righteous Babe? Is that still?

1:29:01 Speaker 6: Yeah? Register Records?

1:29:02 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's one of the cool things about her too, is you know, not only h did I always love her music? But I shouldn't say past tense because she's obviously still active. But but I always thought it was cool that, you know, she she started her own label. She started that indie label at a time where like, like today it's not even a big deal, right because of the Internet, anybody can can start a lay quote, right, but she but she did it at a time when it was unusual, and you know, I I know she's talked in interviews about how, you know, she faced a lot of headwinds doing that.

1:29:37 Speaker 1: People didn't necessarily believe in her, give her a chance.

1:29:40 Speaker 6: They were like, I think, uh, she's done a lot for the women of the you know.

1:29:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh totally absolutely, Yeah, yeah, because I remember one interview I read with her, she was saying, like, you know, people just looked at her like, who is this chick who thinks she can do this? You know, But but she was determined to do it, and she did it.

1:29:56 Speaker 6: Give somebody an opportunity, if they have the drive in the hunger, they'll they'll make it happened.

1:30:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one who So obviously she's a big inspiration to you.

1:30:06 Speaker 6: Yeah, very big inspiration.

1:30:08 Speaker 1: Like who else? Who else?

1:30:09 Speaker 6: You gotta throw the Beatles in there, Yeah, the Beatles are number one for me.

1:30:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, huge.

1:30:14 Speaker 6: Jim Crochey fan. Are you huge Jim Croach fan? I just saw his son play Croachy plays Croachy.

1:30:20 Speaker 1: Oh no, kid, see, I didn't even know that was the thing.

1:30:22 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he does it it too.

1:30:24 Speaker 1: What's the son's name? Oh interesting, looks.

1:30:28 Speaker 6: Just like it said. Oh yeah yeah. So I saw him. My front row tickets to that one too. My friend Liz also Scott does for me. Oh excellent, very nice to her, very nice her. Yeah, And so I met him after the show. Okay, talked to him. I always open up every show I usually do with h don't mess around with Jim.

1:30:45 Speaker 1: Oh really yeah.

1:30:46 Speaker 6: My dad always laughs at me for it. He's like, you gonna open up a tool mess around with. So I met him and talked to him for a few minutes, showed him my tattoo as much as dad.

1:30:56 Speaker 2: You know.

1:30:56 Speaker 6: It was a big inspiration to me, and I'm glad that he's carrying on his legacy.

1:31:00 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, that's extremely cool. That's extremely cool. Yeah.

1:31:03 Speaker 6: So you know the Croaches, Steely, Dan Simon and Garfunk Cole. Yep, I'm an old soul. Yeah, I really like the old school, the classics. Yeah, the music that lives on you know. Sure, that's meaning you know what I mean? Yeah, you can still relate to it nowadays.

1:31:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely. Do you want to play? Do you want to play one more? We have time to play. We'll play one more live on you if you're just joining us. Stephen dea curis here with us live in studio on this a Saturday morning, singing much earlier in the day that he's used to. But he sounds he sounds great.

1:31:35 Speaker 6: We'll try this one out.

1:31:36 Speaker 1: This is a cover, right, something's uh that's doing that

1:31:47 Speaker 1: chord might have been loose. Yeah, try that again. It's it's almost like I wonder if your arm was hitting the chord going into the guitar, it might have been what it was I was hearing. Yeah, I was hearing some thing like, uh, yeah, that's much better. Yeah cool.

1:32:09 Speaker 6: So goes like this.

1:32:12 Speaker 34: Miracle from the stupagat, you know, but it's raining from corn and John my Beds surrounding your perspective of screen seeking before.

1:32:31 Speaker 12: My audience. Still my happy man.

1:32:35 Speaker 7: I used to be.

1:32:37 Speaker 12: Doubting, I forget about it whatever, And it's all.

1:32:44 Speaker 30: The same many ways, And I eat back for too. Bunch that thrown.

1:32:55 Speaker 12: In the name of someone long and no four, she will be he young, junking alone, drap dancing his shins, being a radio. And now I don't knock you in, they do me in the corn heck, even name is my emergency phone call, honey, ringing.

1:33:19 Speaker 30: Ring, Even the cops ATCHI rover rainder and now time chunk outside chunk outside you.

1:33:30 Speaker 12: Montio and from pots to me and recognize from charming too alarming.

1:33:38 Speaker 30: In seconds, I'll be betrid and I met the pain matastasize, But next morning I'll forget it.

1:33:49 Speaker 3: In the time, it's all all all.

1:33:59 Speaker 12: And now you've all the punches that a throne win the name on someone now a long and nor for sheam w being young, junking alone, traffic lancing. This trends me in a radio. Now don't knock you in. They do me in the corner. I gave your name is.

1:34:24 Speaker 30: My emergency phone call, honey, ringing ring, even the cops that you over ringdow and now time chunk got time chunk out, time for.

1:34:37 Speaker 3: You and no time for you.

1:34:46 Speaker 30: Now big you surge, you stay in the car, lookive for you my blood alcohol all run on with the pronouncing self, and I'll change my feet up, pre it's a flag. This sweet a switch of come bag. Some of you danger to yourself. Help sir, just stay in the car to give you my food. I pulled our ride on with the announcing self and I've changed my faith out kiss the bads. It's sweet as fish.

1:35:17 Speaker 12: You call me bad? Somebody?

1:35:19 Speaker 28: Do you do this to yourself?

1:35:22 Speaker 12: And I said, and now ain't proud? Four two punches down the throne, win the name of someone now no longer know.

1:35:34 Speaker 30: For the shame of being young, junking alone, drave the lights in the strains the radio.

1:35:43 Speaker 12: And now I don't like you any to do me in the car.

1:35:48 Speaker 30: I gave your name is my emergency phone, Cale running rang and ring eving the cops that you over ringing now telling drunk home time.

1:36:00 Speaker 9: N you.

1:36:04 Speaker 1: Mmm, gorgeous, gorgeous, just gorgeous. Thank you, absolutely very nice, very nice. Stephen Deakira here with us live in studio, sounding amazing. We should remind people so so the do you know when the EP is going to be out?

1:36:24 Speaker 6: So I'm hoping the EP is going to be this July. That's what I'm hoping for. I go back into the studio on Father's Day, finish up the last song on there, and then I just want to add some finishing touches and make some mass of it, and yeah, get it out to the people. Man, it'll be a nice big weight off my shoulders.

1:36:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt about that.

1:36:43 Speaker 9: Huh.

1:36:44 Speaker 1: Very cool. And then where are you playing this weekend? Do you have anything to plug this weekend?

1:36:48 Speaker 6: Tonight I'll be York Beach, York, Maine end the York Beach in and then I'll be doing that from seven to ten pm.

1:36:55 Speaker 1: Okay.

1:36:55 Speaker 6: Then tomorrow afternoon I will be at the Portsmouth Gaslight Deck two to five pm.

1:37:00 Speaker 1: Okay, very good.

1:37:01 Speaker 6: Yeah, and then I have like a couple of days off and then back at it again.

1:37:05 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:37:07 Speaker 1: Sweet uh. And where is the best place to go online for people to keep this book?

1:37:11 Speaker 6: Is the best place to go online? And check me out Stephen d Kere. You can add my main profile page. You can add my music page of just Stephen de Cure music.

1:37:20 Speaker 1: We should probably tell people how to spell your name too.

1:37:22 Speaker 6: Yes, it's s T E p h e N. My last name is d E c U I r E yes. Yes, and you pronounce it d.

1:37:32 Speaker 1: Q d c yes. Excellent. Outstanding outstanding, I think. Uh so, another studio track that you sent us is this Quiet Moments. Yes that you didn't play this one.

1:37:41 Speaker 6: Right, I played that. That was the first one I played.

1:37:43 Speaker 1: Well, that was the first one you played. Maybe we should maybe we should replay the one we opened with the subscrict where yeah, well that's okay. Actually, now we'll let people hear the studio version of Quiet Moments. Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe I'll play the other one again afterwards, though, because I really like that. Everybody's changing that. I really like that one a lot.

1:38:01 Speaker 2: Thank you.

1:38:01 Speaker 1: That's excellent, outstanding, outstanding. So if you are listening live, by the way, is Katie here? She is in the billion Katie Dobbins is coming up in the third hour, so it'll be nice to see her and I get to hear her. And did she bring her guitar? Good? Okay, And we will close out this segment with this. This is called Quiet Moments. Stephen de Cure again, thank you so much.

1:38:24 Speaker 6: Thank you so much.

1:38:48 Speaker 35: Quiet Oh I was writing by fan and san.

1:39:11 Speaker 11: Fill these pages.

1:39:14 Speaker 35: With a Starries Rangel your way.

1:39:26 Speaker 15: Sing for me.

1:39:33 Speaker 30: Looking out my window as the sun reads the day,

1:39:39 Speaker 30: birds of singing playing tree to tree.

1:39:45 Speaker 23: Writing songs come Sweetz's writing by bes Beony.

1:40:10 Speaker 4: Play the skids a day until night, Create that by high.

1:40:25 Speaker 36: I know you lie.

1:40:33 Speaker 11: Fill these pages.

1:40:36 Speaker 35: With joy boat store horis.

1:40:44 Speaker 29: Arranging your way.

1:40:48 Speaker 35: Sing for me.

1:40:55 Speaker 11: Looking out my window.

1:40:57 Speaker 7: Is the cloudscoover of the day.

1:41:01 Speaker 12: Wind is going wring his song Nance Way.

1:41:07 Speaker 35: Writing songs come sweet.

1:41:12 Speaker 7: So writing by me, s.

1:41:14 Speaker 25: Beard quiet moments, old house is empty.

1:42:10 Speaker 15: No once on.

1:42:17 Speaker 11: Fill these pages.

1:42:21 Speaker 35: With long storhurries.

1:42:29 Speaker 7: Range of your home.

1:42:30 Speaker 22: Way, sing for me, sit in her hair in this chair thing again, want the wear hair.

1:43:56 Speaker 7: This world school socks of fool, horror.

1:44:10 Speaker 24: All the round, watch these buildings, grumbo to the raha.

1:44:31 Speaker 7: Ship back on these change and to them mon it's not the.

1:44:47 Speaker 10: Change, wady green Way, witty witty.

1:45:09 Speaker 7: See this he.

1:45:12 Speaker 23: Spreading through the crowd, affording boots.

1:45:25 Speaker 7: Are a long boom.

1:45:28 Speaker 11: No two parties sayst.

1:45:38 Speaker 7: Designed to them by friends and family. For she on Shi.

1:46:00 Speaker 10: Sybody, change.

1:46:13 Speaker 3: The eldest the change, very whitingly way. When we go.

1:47:15 Speaker 23: Balla tes shunts holding all those strings, we'll.

1:47:28 Speaker 35: Just ball bits in this bullet go rain.

1:47:40 Speaker 27: Lead with your hall. Heart loves well at all big games.

1:47:53 Speaker 27: Let's stand to gather and learn to love fuck.

1:48:05 Speaker 16: In times of crisis, you need a law firm that stands by your side. With over forty years of experience, Craigan Getsulis is dedicated to fighting for your rights. As former state prosecutors, our attorneys have the knowledge and trial experience to provide an aggressive defense against any charge, from DUIs to homicides. If you've been injured, our compassionate team will assess your case and fight for the compensation you deserve. Serving all of New Hampshire, Craigan Getzulis is here when you need us most.

1:48:33 Speaker 16: Visit Craigatzulis dot com for a free consultation. Craigan getsulus, your advocates, your allies.

1:48:40 Speaker 17: Bring your kitchen to life with Queen City Cabinetry, located at eighty seven Elm Street in the historic Sunbeam Law in Manchester, open Monday through Friday nine am to five thirty pm, in Saturdays ten am to two pm. They can be reached at six ZH three two two two zero zero seven. We're on the web at Queen Citycabinetree NH dot com. Come see the possibilities Queen City cabinat Tree. Another CROWND sponsor of WMNH. Disney's Cafe is the place to put a smile on your face. Judy and the crew will take care of you, bring your appetite and treat your taste buds right.

1:49:21 Speaker 18: Disney's Cafe is always a winning choice. Breakfast, lunch or supper Dizze's Cafe at eight sixty Elm Street in downtown Manchester. Dine in, take out or make a reservation call six oh three six h six two five three two, Eat, drink and be happy Dizzney's Cafe.

1:49:41 Speaker 19: When it comes to keeping WMNH on the air and your own personal or business computer needs, trust Roland Computers, located on Elm Street in Manchester. Roland handles computer repair, virus removal and custom built systems. Are you looking for budget friendly options, check out our selection of fully inspected used computers. Offer tailored on site solutions. No unnecessary expenses here. Visit Groland dot com or called Grolling Computers at six zero three six four five zero one zero one, Your tech, your way.

1:50:11 Speaker 5: Trust groll In Computers.

1:50:21 Speaker 9: Seven times out of ten. We listened to our music at night. That's the titled businessess program.

1:50:31 Speaker 17: Late Night to Light with DJ Miidas Right here on WMNH, Manchester.

1:50:35 Speaker 7: Do you want to know?

1:50:36 Speaker 17: Because Saturdays and Sunday nights midnight to four am.

1:50:42 Speaker 20: This hour on WMNH is sponsored by CGI Business Solutions, located at five Dartmouth Drive in Auburn. They serve all your business needs including employee benefits, planning, corporate design and business administration, investments and wealth management and customize business insurance solutions. Their phone number is eight sixty six eight four one forty six hundred or on the web at CGI business Solutions dot com.

1:51:14 Speaker 21: Behold the harmony of airwaves as you immerse yourself in the captivating frequencies of w m NHLP. The sonic heartbeats of Manchester is transcending through the ether at ninety five point three megahertz. Frequency modulation or transmissions emanate from the zenith of one thousand Elm Street to insure into the hearts of our creative realm at one nineteen Canal Street, where innovation in sound coluge. They're the improm moter of Manchester Public Television Service in the venerable City of.

1:51:42 Speaker 5: Manchester, New Hampshire, USA.

1:51:44 Speaker 21: Enrich your auditory journey with the depth of our license to wesdos spent your missives. Do WMNH ninety five three at gmail dot com, or traverse the virtual corridors of wmnhradio dot org. Engage with our sonic vibrations by commuting with us through the digital channels. Your video records eager to enthrall you with its mesmerizing cadence and envelop you would have so many have foundless all its horns wonder.

1:52:13 Speaker 2: W m n H ripped the novels.

1:52:29 Speaker 26: Like a way crushing on the shore, Your.

1:52:34 Speaker 37: Breaking walls down around my heart like rushing wind. You come in it, our painting it with colors I've never seen before.

1:52:54 Speaker 13: You Your love is a love can Annie.

1:53:05 Speaker 3: Sound twenty you send my art, Bronny like.

1:53:22 Speaker 15: I think I'm d like you.

1:53:37 Speaker 26: I hear your voice whispering my mind.

1:53:42 Speaker 37: You're telling me leave the sure be heights, greater things than I can see on my noise. There's something about you that makes me want to go.

1:54:03 Speaker 10: You your hoys a loud, didn't any sound to any

1:54:22 Speaker 10: sent my heart, Ronny co. I think I'm wild you, Yeah, I'm wild. Like show me probleble in pos I want to see avery thing from me? He spating How long to place says beyond reality.

1:55:15 Speaker 3: Let's go where the clouds meet.

1:55:19 Speaker 10: Say, there are no limits to.

1:55:27 Speaker 3: My heart has been said for Because you're.

1:55:42 Speaker 13: You're this a loud.

1:55:46 Speaker 38: Any sound winning. You sent my heart of homard in like.

1:56:04 Speaker 3: I think.

1:56:05 Speaker 10: I'm wild like you.

1:56:11 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a wild like you. I'm runny, I'm runny.

1:56:22 Speaker 7: I'm runny.

1:56:24 Speaker 26: I'm runny, I'm runny.

1:56:31 Speaker 3: I'm running, I'm running. I'm running. I'm running. I'm running.

1:56:43 Speaker 26: Because your love is wild.

1:56:51 Speaker 1: That is wild by Katie Dobbins. Katie is with us and we're gonna be talking with her in just a moment as she makes a return to the show. If you are just joining us, of course, on this Saturday morning, it is Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from the studios of WMNH ninety five point three FM. We have entered our number three on this June seven, twenty twenty five. Jenny is here, of course, at the news table.

1:57:16 Speaker 39: Presence on account of four my gosh, it's her voice.

1:57:19 Speaker 3: Amazing.

1:57:19 Speaker 29: Yes.

1:57:20 Speaker 1: Yes, By the way, I want to make sure we don't forget you had someone you wanted to shout out this morning.

1:57:26 Speaker 14: Not a someone my good nephew.

1:57:29 Speaker 39: No, today is an important day and that the Reflex Sympathetic District Ye Association is having an it's sixth annual Virtual CRPS Awareness Walk. You can look it up online. It's on Facebook, It's all over the place. The RCSA organization is the one that I love to support because they raise awareness and help support efforts to find treatments and cures for CRPS Complex regional pain syndrome so formerly known as reflect sympathetic distrophe.

1:57:58 Speaker 31: Don't you love when they just changed the names of things.

1:58:01 Speaker 1: Well, that's a someone, it's an association, but that's many something.

1:58:06 Speaker 31: Someone is a singular, yeah, not a not a plural.

1:58:09 Speaker 1: No goodness, Oh my goodness. I can't do it. So where where should people go to find out?

1:58:15 Speaker 2: Uh?

1:58:15 Speaker 1: So information?

1:58:17 Speaker 9: Ah?

1:58:18 Speaker 1: Is that so that's happening today?

1:58:20 Speaker 28: Yes, it's a.

1:58:21 Speaker 39: Virtual all across the country, actually around the world. I thought you were going to bring this up at the end.

1:58:28 Speaker 1: Oh, we'll mention it. We'll mention it again at the end too, But yeah, I just didn't want to forget.

1:58:32 Speaker 14: Yeah, well I'll give more info later.

1:58:35 Speaker 1: Okay, Oh very good, very good. And uh let's see, so Katie is here, let me get that make up, Katie. Welcome back to the show.

1:58:42 Speaker 14: Hi, thanks, thanks for having me.

1:58:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked, Uh so we did talk a little bit. It was a couple of months. It was still during the winter or was the end of winter. It was like it was like it was like we thought winter was over and then woke up one morning to a winter wonderland that was wild. Yeah, that was that was so traveling was a bit difficult, but you did call in, so that was great. But it's great to see you in person. And the last time I saw you in person was of course on Rob as a Vetos show granted State of Mind, So that was a lot of fun.

1:59:14 Speaker 1: But welcome back. Thanks, And I know we talked about it on Rob show. But that song wild, that's you know, it's different for you, different than can you tell us again the story of how that came together in the studio for people who might maybe not have heard us talking about it before.

1:59:28 Speaker 14: Yeah, it was really cool because I was doing a collection of songs at Rockinghorse Studio and I went in one day just to lay the piano tracks because all three songs that I had chosen were piano based songs that I had written on that instrument, and so I laid the three songs and then I was like, you know, I do have another piano song that I could throw in here, but it was kind of a last minute let's try it. Let me just record the piano and let you guys hear it, and if down the road you feel it and we want to add anything to it, we will.

1:59:58 Speaker 14: And so I kind of it on a whim. Again, I had only been planning on doing three singles, and the guys in the studio they loved it, and I wasn't. I hadn't gone in with any idea of production or anything, so again wasn't planning on recording it. And so because of that, we had a lot of freedom to just try stuff, and the production ended up coming out really unique and different than anything I've done. So it was an exciting process and really fun. And my dad's actually on that track too. He did a speaking part that's kind of embedded in there, which is pretty neat.

2:00:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you approached him with that, what did he like? How did he react?

2:00:36 Speaker 29: A first?

2:00:36 Speaker 1: Was he was he into it? Was he skeptical? Was he like, what you want me to do?

2:00:39 Speaker 14: What I think he was like so excited, but he was also nervous, so both.

2:00:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, it came out great. Do you usually write on the piano. You mentioned the three tracks he recorded, there were all songs he wrote on the piano.

2:00:55 Speaker 14: I've been writing more on the piano. But a piano was actually my first instrument when I was younger. But I was I learned classically, so I was, you know, classically trained kind of, and so it took me a while to realize, oh, I could write on piano just like I write on guitar, because you know, you've heard guitar all you need is three chords in the truth. So once I learned three chords on guitar, it was like, oh my gosh, I was writing all these songs. I was in eighth grade, and I was just like, oh, I'm writing about my life.

2:01:23 Speaker 14: This is awesome. But it wasn't until much later that I kind of challenged myself to think, wait, I think I could create stuff on the piano as well. So yeah, I do. I do both. And sometimes I don't write on an instrument at all. I just I lyrics and melody comes first, and I do I'll write like a whole song with no instrument and then add things later.

2:01:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard a lot of a lot of instructors say that it's it's a good idea to learn at least no matter what instrument you're playing, to learn at least some basic keyboarding because it will help you with everything else, which, sadly I never bothered to do. I had to. I had one of those old, cheap cassio keyboards growing up, but I never really learned to play it. But yeah, but what do you play anything else? You play guitar, you play piano? Do you play anything else?

2:02:09 Speaker 14: Or every now and then, if someone lets me, I'll play khone really yeah, yeah, like on one of their songs or something. But just I don't. I haven't done anything technical with it. I have my dad has a bass guitar that he was learning how to play, and I've picked that up a couple of times and fiddled around with it. It's an instrument i'd like to learn. I just haven't dedicated enough time to it.

2:02:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can pick it up quick. I mean, if you're already played guitar, you can pick up the bass pretty quick.

2:02:37 Speaker 14: Yeah, It's it makes sense because it's frets and I tried to learn violin when I was younger, and I also attempted the saxophone both. I thought I was doing pretty good, but I think my family didn't agree.

2:02:50 Speaker 1: Right, right, Saxophone's loud instrument.

2:02:54 Speaker 14: Ye, no, they're so super supportive, but I think there are some instruments that, like, if it's not coming quickly and naturally, might be more painful to listen to.

2:03:02 Speaker 1: Them, right, No, that makes sense, That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, but I.

2:03:06 Speaker 14: Love the violin. I wish that I had fully learned it because it's just so beautiful.

2:03:11 Speaker 7: Yeah.

2:03:11 Speaker 17: Yeah.

2:03:12 Speaker 1: Now, do you have a busy summer or are you playing a lot? I would imagine you're playing out there.

2:03:15 Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, And I have some things I'm excited about. I I record with other instrumentalists and singers, like most of my music is recorded with a band and kind of bringing out that fuller production. But normally when I perform, I'm pretty much always solo. I haven't really done band shows since, you know, my different album release shows that I did years ago, and a couple other kind of special things. But this summer I have a full band show coming up at Bank in New Hampshire Pavilion on their side stage.

2:03:47 Speaker 1: Oh wow, So that'll be.

2:03:49 Speaker 14: Fun to bring the fullness back together again and perform with other people. And then I don't know if you know Chris Noise. He's a bass player. He played on these new singles.

2:03:59 Speaker 1: On and I don't think I know Chris. Is he related to Ron Noise? I don't know, because Ron Ron's a musician. I wonder if they're related. No, No, I don't think I know Chris.

2:04:09 Speaker 14: So he played bass on some of my studio tracks and he's playing with me up in Portsmouth at the Tuesdays on the terrace at Strawberry Bank Museum.

2:04:17 Speaker 1: Oh cool.

2:04:18 Speaker 14: So we've got that and a couple other kind of fun outdoor summer shows where I'm playing with him and another guy on drums. So it'll be fun to play with other people again and bring the songs to life in a different way.

2:04:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it doesn't sound like you have any any interest in doing like a permanent full band.

2:04:36 Speaker 14: We'll see see where things go. I'm never Before we went live on air, you guys were saying, like we go with the flow, like we're not really married to anything. That's kind of how I feel. I don't know, I have I have hopes, but I don't have like necessarily set in stone expectations that I want or don't want. So if it, if it came together naturally and it was like really fun and everybody holy jibed, I could see doing.

2:05:01 Speaker 1: More of it for sure. Yeah, no, that makes sense. And are you still are you still just putting out singles or do you have an EP or I don't.

2:05:09 Speaker 14: I was just shy of an EP when I recorded my four songs, Okay, I mean I suppose I could have turned it into a collection. I've thought about adding some songs and making it a full collection. I'm not there yet. I haven't. I actually have one kind of wintery song, not to bring snow back up, but I have one song that I'm working on recording. It's kind of a mix of I recorded some of it at home and some of it at Mike Moran's home studio. He is a drummer and a bass player and a guitarist, and we've played together a lot in the past, and we have some stuff coming up this summer, so we've been working on product producing that song together.

2:05:51 Speaker 14: So and then I have some other ideas, but nothing no like exciting release dates to share.

2:05:57 Speaker 1: Right now, You've worked with a number of different right, it seems like you've.

2:06:01 Speaker 14: Yeah, every project has been totally different. First record I recorded in New Hampshire with Ryan Ordway and yeah, yeah, and that was really fun. And then my second record I recorded on the South Shore in mass with Sean McLoughlin. And then this last collection I did with Brian Coombs at Rocking Horror Studios in Pittsfield, and then I've done a little bit tried to do a little bit of home recording too and kind of feeling that out. But it is a lot of work to record your own stuff. I mean, it's a lot of work to go to the studio too, but oh yeah, you have other hands and eyes and ears on it and they know what they're doing more than like, I'm sort of learning as I go.

2:06:40 Speaker 14: But it's fun. I like that part of it too.

2:06:42 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's the adventure of it. Yeah. Do you want to play something for us?

2:06:46 Speaker 3: Yeah?

2:06:46 Speaker 1: Sure, let me turn up that. Uh yeah, go and go and strum a little. I just want to make sure I get there. Oh yeah, that sounds good. Mad phones, Yeah, excellent, All right, cool.

2:07:01 Speaker 14: I'm going to play a brand new one for you, if that's okay.

2:07:03 Speaker 1: Absolutely.

2:07:05 Speaker 14: So, I've been trying to challenge myself. I think I mentioned this to you last time. I saw you challenge myself to make time for songwriting, which sounds like, well, duh, you're a songwriter, right, is that all you do? But sometimes the weeks just go by and I'm like, oh my gosh, like my creative need is just like being squished down. And so I've been trying to bring that more to the forefront. So and trying to write more songs, which if anyone's listening, I would like to follow along on my new songwriting journey.

2:07:35 Speaker 14: I've been sharing things, all the new stuff on Patreon, which is like a place online that you can support artists, and patreon dot com slash Katidobbins music. But this is one of the ones that I wrote for my almost song a week project, not quite a song a week but okay. It's called Coffee in the Morning, and it's about how when you fall in love and suddenly you're liking things and doing things that you never really cared about before, just because of that other person.

2:08:04 Speaker 37: You know, is it that wrangler or your rugged hands in my is it that open road or the smell of your cologne. Do I even like the challenge of a standard? It just the way you lie every time I stole it. I don't even know if I like coffee in the morning. Maybe there's just something about the way you pull reformed me as the sun lights up the kitchen were too early for my liking. But I like Kevin that quiet time with you. Is it that country song or the way you sing it for me? Is it that dance floor or the way you pull me clothes?

2:09:18 Speaker 37: Do I even like staying up past midnight? Or just the way you hold my hand walking in me home?

2:09:35 Speaker 40: I don't even know if I should like that whiskey bourbon. Maybe there's just something about the taste of it on your lips.

2:09:46 Speaker 37: As the moon lights up the kitchen ware too late for my liking. But I like talking into.

2:09:55 Speaker 31: The night with you.

2:10:00 Speaker 37: I don't even know if I like bike rides, a game nice using fireflies in a job.

2:10:12 Speaker 40: I don't think I even't need's a.

2:10:15 Speaker 37: Gold fishing or stay all night chasing stars.

2:10:22 Speaker 31: Unless it's where you are, unless it's.

2:10:29 Speaker 12: When you.

2:10:39 Speaker 37: Because I don't even know if I like coffee in the morning. Maybe there's just something in about the way you poor informed me as the soul in lights up the kitchen way too early for my liking.

2:10:58 Speaker 31: But I like heaven quiet time with you.

2:11:08 Speaker 37: I don't even know if I like coffee in the morning, but I know really.

2:11:17 Speaker 31: Like the way you pour it for me.

2:11:29 Speaker 1: Oh that's beautiful, thank you, very nice, very nice. So that's uh so that's new. That's that's very new.

2:11:37 Speaker 14: Then, right, Yeah, I wrote that a couple months ago.

2:11:40 Speaker 1: Now, very cool, very cool. If you're just joining us. Katie Dobbins is here with us, alive in studio and sounding amazing. So so you haven't Are you playing that one out curly or is that?

2:11:52 Speaker 2: Uh?

2:11:52 Speaker 4: Or have you not?

2:11:53 Speaker 31: Yeah?

2:11:53 Speaker 14: I played it a couple of times at live shows.

2:11:56 Speaker 1: Yeah.

2:11:56 Speaker 14: I think that was the radio debut.

2:11:58 Speaker 1: Okay, awesome, We Love That, We Love the We Love the World premieres here. Do you have any idea how many songs you've written at this point? Can you put like like like Is it in triple digits yet? Do you think?

2:12:10 Speaker 23: Or?

2:12:11 Speaker 7: Oh?

2:12:12 Speaker 14: I mean it probably depends on if I want to count every song I've ever written, probably yes, But if I just count the ones that I like, Yeah, I'm not sure.

2:12:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, do they? Do you have some that you've kind of retired? Like, are there some early ones that used to play that you don't play anymore?

2:12:30 Speaker 15: Yeah?

2:12:31 Speaker 14: I mean I I play the stuff from my first album still. I play several of those songs out, not all of them. And then there are some, Yeah, the some originals that I used to play, Like when you first write it and you're like, I really love this song because you wrote you just wrote it, so you're feeling real, like passionate and emotional about it because you.

2:12:53 Speaker 1: Know it just came from yours.

2:12:56 Speaker 14: And yeah, So I had some like that I've I felt really excited about in the moment and then kind of down the road was that sort of faded, you know, and they really got their full full moment in the sun, I guess.

2:13:08 Speaker 5: Yeah.

2:13:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've probably asked you this before, But do you remember the first song you ever wrote?

2:13:15 Speaker 14: The first song I wrote was a co write? Well, the first song I wrote was actually a cappella in like fifth grade, and I wrote it my best friend had moved to California and I was so sad, and so I wrote this song about you know, my I think it was called best friend. The first song I ever wrote on guitar was a co write. My friend Sarah Ellen had taught me a few chords on guitar and she had been writing songs. So we're like, let's write a song together. And we wrote a song about our grandfather's But if you asked me to play it, I truly don't remember how it goes.

2:13:48 Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, but I remember thinking it was really good. I was so you know, we were so excited about it, and we played it at some open mics and things like that, which is like really really fun. Yeah, you know, you're in eighth grade on stage playing a duet that you wrote and you just feel like a rock star.

2:14:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, now I have you You've been doing this full time now for quite some time, right, a.

2:14:10 Speaker 14: Few years now.

2:14:11 Speaker 5: Yeah.

2:14:12 Speaker 14: I think I made the shift to full time in like spring of twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two, okay, Yeah, And it took it took a while to find my stride and still kind of, you know, figuring out balance. I feel like I talk about balance a lot, but it's hard. You wear so many hats when you're Oh, yeah, music is it's not just songwriting and performing, but you're I think of it as like you're running your own business. You know, you're booking, you're promoting, you're trying to make money, you're doing you know, recording all this stuff.

2:14:41 Speaker 14: Yeah, And so finding balance and a good rhythm is something I feel like I'm always like working on getting a little more honed in. But it's fun. I love it, and since making the decision to do it full time, I've never regretted it at all. But I will say it's not for everyone because I feel like whenever I tell another artist, oh, yeah, I do it full time, because they'll ask what do you do during the day. Yeah, And I feel like a lot of times people say, oh, like I want to.

2:15:09 Speaker 26: Do that too.

2:15:09 Speaker 14: I'm just I'm trying to get there, and almost from a place of like they feel like they're not doing it yet if they're not doing it full time or something, and it's like you really have to assess. I mean, it's it's it adds a sort of you have to really want to do it full time and know that there's going to be a period of like hardship that comes with that, and be okay with that. And also there's nothing wrong with having you know, a job that you're good at or that you like that you know, funds funds what you love too, and it gives you that like consistency.

2:15:44 Speaker 14: So I love doing it how I'm doing it, But I don't think it's for everybody. So when I say that, if you're an artist listening, don't feel pressured to like I need to do that too, you don't, you know, everybody does this so differently.

2:15:56 Speaker 1: So yeah, and I think too, you know, if you you can still call yourself a professional musician even if you're doing it part time. You know, the way I've always looked at it is, and really with any profession, you can call yourself a professional if you've ever been paid for what you do. True, That's how I look at it. So even if even if you you know, you've just gotten you know, thirty dollars, you know, playing a set somewhere, well, you're now a professional musician. If somebody, if somebody gave you money, you know, for that, then you're now a professional.

2:16:25 Speaker 1: And you know, I think I think sometimes, yeah, I think sometimes people get self conscious about it, you know, if they're if they're doing it part time, you know, but they're still working at something else. But but I think too part of the key is, and you kind of alluded to it, if you have if you have another job that you really love, then you know, because the important thing is to fill your life, I think with things that you love to do, you know, whether it's part time, full time, whether you're a full time musician or a part time musician and full time doing something else or whatever it is.

2:16:56 Speaker 1: You know, don't you don't want to no matter what. You don't want to waste your life do things you hate, which is what a lot of people do. You know, They work their whole lives at a job they don't like, and it's like, why find something you love?

2:17:09 Speaker 9: You know?

2:17:09 Speaker 14: You know definitely.

2:17:10 Speaker 1: Now, do you have any advice for people who are you know, because a lot of musicians listen to the show and a lot of industry people. Do you have any advice for someone who is really thinking about trying to do this full time but they're hesitant.

2:17:24 Speaker 14: Yeah, I would talk to people who are doing it full time. Yeah, that's what I did. I talked to several people that were doing it full time and I was like, what is this really like for you? How is this working? And I found out that most people that are doing it full time that you know, they are getting support in some way loved ones, or they're sacrificing something, you know, like my Manny Petticures I used to be able to get for myself on someone. I mean, that's a tiny sacrifice. I'm part kidding, but you know, you said you might sacrifice like some kind of lifestyle that you're used to in order to pursue this.

2:17:57 Speaker 14: And just I would talk to somebody who's doing it, or multiple people that are doing it, just to get like a full picture of what this actually is before you, you know, just put the pedal to the metal and you know, give up everything you know and and go in blindly. So that because it always sounds like such a dream, you know, but you really want to make an informed decision about and ask yourself, is this really what I want to do?

2:18:26 Speaker 5: Right?

2:18:26 Speaker 1: And nothing's as glamorous as it looks from the outside either, you know, And as you also mentioned, there's a lot of work. You know, it's not just creating music. It's all the business stuff you got to do, right, and keeping up with social media too, which some people enjoy and embrace and some people are just like I wish I didn't have to do that part, but you do have to do that part.

2:18:45 Speaker 14: Yeah, And I feel like it ebbs and flows too, like I have, and I used to get harder on myself, and I'm accepting this more and more. Like there are seasons where I'm doing a lot more stuff online social media, you know, posting videos, things like that, and there are seasons where I'm playing out a lot more so I don't have as much time to be present online. Then there are seasons where, oh it's a slower show season, so I'm songwriting or I'm in the studio. And I think at first I felt like I have to do all these things all the time, you know, like and I still feel that a little bit, but it's like being okay with the ebb and flow of what it means to be an art maker and performer, like distributor of that art.

2:19:27 Speaker 14: There's just you can't always do it all all the time or you totally burn.

2:19:32 Speaker 1: Out, right right, Yeah, no doubt. Oh do you want to play another one for us?

2:19:36 Speaker 14: Yeah, I'll play giants since you told me you like this one, do Yeah.

2:19:42 Speaker 1: So the first time I heard that was on Rob Show, that was the first time I'd heard that song, and yeah, I love this song. Yeah cool absolutely Haadie Dobbins live in studio.

2:19:53 Speaker 14: I feel like this is a good song to play right now too, because it's about doing things that feel hard and facing the things that feel impossible in your life and remembering that you are actually more powerful than you may realize. And the giants in your life they're just make believe, like those giants in your closet when you're a little kid. Your sweatshirt falling off my shoulder.

2:20:36 Speaker 14: It's too big, But then again, it only was when did I become so small? Living in your shadow?

2:20:47 Speaker 37: I don't fill the space shaddle feels like I've been swallowed.

2:20:57 Speaker 37: Don't take too much space, my mind said, shrink so I don't riskiny thing. They to be safe then to be sorry, Well I'm sorry. I don't feel safe. Fu frount shy. Maybe it's time I come outa hi day Aptain sawt just makes me good.

2:21:32 Speaker 13: I lie.

2:21:36 Speaker 3: Just so you could think that you're the child.

2:21:44 Speaker 40: Your colone rushing off my shoulder.

2:21:49 Speaker 37: It's over powering, But then again, it onlys was now that I am coming clean.

2:21:59 Speaker 26: Shutting everything but me.

2:22:02 Speaker 31: Doing all my skin. Tell me, are you panicking?

2:22:11 Speaker 3: Baby?

2:22:12 Speaker 31: Do you feelcy far round?

2:22:15 Speaker 3: Try?

2:22:17 Speaker 7: Because I think.

2:22:18 Speaker 40: It's time I come out of hiding.

2:22:23 Speaker 31: Acting smutch just makes me god.

2:22:26 Speaker 12: I lie in.

2:22:29 Speaker 3: Just so you could think that you're cho, but you're no cho.

2:22:44 Speaker 37: Don't take too much space, my mind said shrink, so I don't raise anything.

2:22:57 Speaker 31: Trying to pull takes me.

2:23:01 Speaker 6: But I know now.

2:23:05 Speaker 10: The giant Sarmake believe their make Bullie.

2:23:20 Speaker 36: So I don't feel the faid around no Chie, I know it's Timac Commuda.

2:23:31 Speaker 40: Hating hapting swages makes me con and.

2:23:41 Speaker 10: But you are no Chaiet. There are no Chi. Giant Sarmick believe their mag b.

2:24:09 Speaker 37: Acting small just makes me good. Lion, you are only giants in my mind. Acting small just makes me good.

2:24:25 Speaker 40: Lying you are only giant.

2:24:31 Speaker 31: In my mind.

2:24:34 Speaker 3: And giants sorchised make.

2:24:42 Speaker 31: Bullie.

2:24:50 Speaker 1: I love it, Katie Dobbins live in studio. Yeah, that is a great, great song. Oh I love it. Great song, great song that one's been out for a little while, right, But that is that is that kind.

2:25:00 Speaker 14: Of newer Yeah, that's like in my newer collection of singles recorded at Rocking Horse.

2:25:06 Speaker 1: Okay, okay and.

2:25:07 Speaker 14: That when I actually started writing on the electric guitar. Yeah, I have an electric guitar. I just I don't play it out. I would like to learn how to do cool stuff on it. Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah, I kind of had like a little riff going, and then I moved to acoustic guitar, and then I was like, no, this is a piano song.

2:25:28 Speaker 1: So, oh okay. Have you have you played electric guitar on any of your studio recordings so far?

2:25:35 Speaker 14: No other people have played my guitar.

2:25:39 Speaker 12: It's in there.

2:25:39 Speaker 7: Yeah.

2:25:40 Speaker 14: Yeah, actually that's not true. I recorded I have a single called Starlights that I recorded during the pandemic in my home studio. Oh okay, that I actually did do my own little electric guitar riff on. Oh really Yeah, you want to check out my electric guitar playing. You can check out Starlights.

2:26:02 Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, very cool, very cool. When you when you play out, I mean you must do some covers too, right, I assume you make some covers in Yeah.

2:26:11 Speaker 14: Yeah, it depends on the show. Yeah. If I'm doing like a three hour gig, for sure. Yeah, and then I have I have a bunch of shows coming out this summer that are like focused on original music that I'm really excited about. Yeah, but even when I do that, I'll throw in, you know, one or two just people kind of like something familiar.

2:26:27 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, and it's fun.

2:26:29 Speaker 14: It's fun to I always think, like, how cool it must be to be Taylor Swift or something and you look out and everyone's singing every lyric to your song, right, But that's that's fun about covers, is you know. Sometimes I'll transition into a cover song from an original. It's just fun to look out and see people bopping around and singing along with you, and yeah, fun moment.

2:26:49 Speaker 2: Do you have?

2:26:50 Speaker 1: Do you do any covers that you found particularly challenging to learn? Sometimes I get some surprising answers when I ask people this, So I'm just curious, like, is there anything you said I'm gonna learn that one? And then it turned out to be kind of challenging.

2:27:02 Speaker 14: I don't think so, But I don't learn traditionally, Like if I'm learning a new cover, I sort of just will look up the chords and then play it however feels good to me. Whereas some people are which would be good for me to do, some people are going on you know, YouTube and like watching a bunch of videos and learning how the actual original artist plays it.

2:27:23 Speaker 1: Sure.

2:27:24 Speaker 14: I sometimes when I learn to cover, I don't even know the song that well, like I kind of know it, and then I feel like it makes it easier to put my own twists on it because I kind of I'm learning it, but also like making it feel good to me because I only kind of know the song.

2:27:44 Speaker 1: Your own yea.

2:27:45 Speaker 14: But I I did learn Forever Young is a song I love playing by Bob Dylan, and Joni Mitchell has a version of that song. I'm sorry. Joan Biaz has a version of that song that's really beautiful. So I did learn and her guitar version to it, and it was a really pretty like I felt really fancy when I learned this, you know, yeah, and it's really pretty.

2:28:13 Speaker 21: Yeah.

2:28:13 Speaker 14: So that one I did learn traditionally because I was like, that's just so beautiful. I got to learn that part that makes sense, that makes sense.

2:28:21 Speaker 1: You want to play another live one? I yeah, we got we got time.

2:28:26 Speaker 31: Yeah.

2:28:27 Speaker 1: So selfishly I want to hear more. You just sound so great.

2:28:29 Speaker 14: Ah, that's so nice. I want to hear another new newer one, Yeah, that would be cool, that would be great. I have I have a single out. My newest single is called Grateful, and it's about gratitude. Yeah shocker uh. And so I'm not going to play that, but I will play another song that's sort of on the same theme. I feel like it's called miss these Days, because you know today, someday we're gonna be like that was the good old days. So you got to soak it in.

2:28:59 Speaker 37: Yep, Mama's calling from the kitchen on the other side of the house. I can't hear what she's saying. I just chuckle to myself, and the dog is going crazy about a squirrel outside the window, and Daddy's watching.

2:29:29 Speaker 31: News about what God only knows. It's a little bit.

2:29:34 Speaker 37: Of chaos on a quiet country road, in a humble, old brick house where we made ourselves a home. I don't know what tomorrow brings. I'm not sure of much, but I'm sure someday I'm gonna miss these days. I'm sure someday I'm gonna miss these days. So I'm living on hope and excite me for each day as it comes.

2:30:10 Speaker 40: Keep showing up for the journey where for ridden may lead. Life's father uncertainty.

2:30:21 Speaker 31: But all I wanna do is sulk it in case.

2:30:27 Speaker 37: I'm sure some day I'm gonna miss these days. I'm sure some day i'm gonna miss things daydays.

2:30:42 Speaker 31: I'm heading down.

2:30:43 Speaker 37: The long road on the way to another show, running on prayers and katheene, hoping my songs will touch your souls.

2:30:53 Speaker 31: And the car is packed so.

2:30:54 Speaker 37: High I can't see out my back window. I'm following my dreams and now some guy who's going so slow.

2:31:07 Speaker 37: I got a little bitter road rage on a quiet country road in a humble old Volkswagon where I made myself a home.

2:31:19 Speaker 31: I don't know what tomorrow brings.

2:31:22 Speaker 37: I'm not sure of much, but I'm sure some day i'm gonna miss Beeds days. I'm sure some day i'm gonna miss Beads Day. So I'm living on hope and excite me for each day as it comes.

2:31:44 Speaker 31: Keep showing up for the journey where the bridden.

2:31:49 Speaker 40: Maybe life is love hof uncertainty.

2:31:56 Speaker 31: But hed all one day is so getting.

2:32:01 Speaker 37: Because I'm sure someday I'm gonna miss thesedays. I'm sure someday I'm gonna miss the day.

2:32:16 Speaker 10: So take this day it be what dom true leaving I okeeve me for on this comas.

2:32:36 Speaker 3: Man, I got some day I'm gonna miss this day.

2:32:45 Speaker 40: I know someday I'm gonna miss It's.

2:32:53 Speaker 37: So I'm living on home and excite me for each day as it comes.

2:33:00 Speaker 26: Keep showing up for the journey.

2:33:05 Speaker 40: A HiPE is full of uncertainty.

2:33:12 Speaker 31: All I wanta do some kiddy.

2:33:17 Speaker 37: Because I'm sure someday I'm gonna miss these days. I know someday I'm gonna miss days day. Yeah, you know, someday we're gonna miss this day.

2:33:46 Speaker 1: I love it. Thank you. Katie Dobbins live in studio with us, and that was great. So that's another new one. Huh yeah, very cool, very cool. By the way, So you're getting some love here in the chat room. Eric and Power also known as Temple Mountain. He's been on the show a few times now. He says Katie is the best, So glad her name uh spells Katie with a K and not with a G. I don't know if there's an inside joke there.

2:34:15 Speaker 2: I don't.

2:34:15 Speaker 1: I don't get it. To ask him, yeah, I don't. I don't quite get it, but uh yes, I'm I'm also glad you spell Katie with a K and not a G. Me too.

2:34:25 Speaker 14: Hey, Eric, thanks for tuning in.

2:34:27 Speaker 1: He's amazing.

2:34:28 Speaker 14: He's amazing, awesome, super supportive too, like super supportive of you know, other musicians, ands and radio and he's just like always good, positive energy.

2:34:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's great. Yeah. He sends people to us, Oh yeah, oh yeah. Yeah. He's referred a bunch of really good, really good musicians to us. Also, good morning to Miriam who's in the chat room, and Rob Diyon who halts to show here through the stage door. He's part of the W M and H family. He said, I'm heading to a gig right now, but I just wanted to say Matt that the musicians you have on this morning really are amazing, very good, very good.

2:35:03 Speaker 14: It's so nice.

2:35:04 Speaker 1: Thanks absolutely so, Katie, what do you have this weekend? Do you have shows this weekend?

2:35:09 Speaker 14: Actually don't. I have a kind of a quiet weekend, which I'm very excited about. After I leave here today, I'm gonna head over to hang out with Chris Noise. The basis we're gonna do some practice in for our gig at Strawberry Bank later this month. Yeah, and then I do I'm part of I sing at my church, which meets on top of a mountain on Sunday morning, So tomorrow I'll be hike into that and doing that whole thing up at Gunstock Mountain. But other than that, my weekend's pretty quiet, and I've been very much on the go lately.

2:35:38 Speaker 14: I just got back two weeks ago from my first solo road trip tour down to Nashville, Tennessee. I was gone for a week and a half and I didn't really plan any transition time before or after the trip. I just said, I was like, yeah, I'll just like keep going one hundred miles an hour right up to it, and then I'll just come back and get right in the swing of So I'm definitely feeling the effects of that a little bit.

2:36:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt.

2:36:03 Speaker 14: So I'm kind of happy to have a quiet weekend and then things will pick up. I have shows next week. On Wednesday, I'm in Portsmouth, and then Thursday I have a cool I'm hosting a touring artist at hermit Wood's Winery in Meredith, New Hampshire. It's a listening room up there, So if you're up in the Lakes region or heading up that way, come hang out Thursday night and then I got shows like all weekend, so it'll be a nice little break leading into that.

2:36:28 Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent. How was your trip to Nashville?

2:36:31 Speaker 14: It was awesome. Yeah, it was there. You know, I felt like I was just really craving a different perspective and just being completely immersed in original music and just like seeing new people. And I've also been wanting to plan a little road trip toward in Nashville for a few years now, but I kept kind of coming up against some roadblocks and it just didn't felt. I never like it when it feels like I'm forcing something and it feels like, Okay, maybe this is not the right timing. So this finally came together in a really great way and I was able to do it, and I was down there for I was in I played a show in West Virginia on my way down and stayed with some friends, which was awesome, and then I was in Nashville for seven full days and I played almost every night that I was there.

2:37:21 Speaker 14: I had one or two writers round, so it was like I just met so many songwriters and I got to you get to hear them, because when you're playing a writer's round. You know, you play a little bit, and then you also get to hear like three other people playing in the round, and so it was very inspiring. And it's just so it fills your cup and inspires you to like be reminded. Oh yeah, there's so many people doing this and doing it you know successfully, and I just I And I also it's humbling. I left feeling like, yeah, I got to get better and to keep writing, you know, which is what kind of the kick in the butt that I wanted.

2:37:55 Speaker 1: So yeah, it was great. Yeah that's pressure. Yeah in Nashville. Yeah, absolutely, No, Well that's very cool. Yeah, that's very cool.

2:38:02 Speaker 14: Yeah, it scratched the itch for touring too. I'm like, yeah, let's get on the row. Let's go. I mean, I mean being a musician. I know, I talked about the hardships of doing it full time and stuff, but part of the reason I initially wanted to do it full time was well, I was just so hungry to do it, and I was like, if I don't try this, I'll never know if I could have made it happen, you know.

2:38:22 Speaker 1: So I just had to do it.

2:38:23 Speaker 14: And part of it was I wanted to do touring which I really am just kind of dipping my toe into at least beyond New England. I play all over New England, but I wanted to do more touring, and that's hard to do when you have a set work schedule. I was teaching, so oh yeah, you know, it's kind of hard to tour when you need to be in the classroom. So I that was part of what I wanted to do. So I'm kind of now just starting to be like, Okay, what how can this look? And how exciting to think of? Wow, I could actually go travel to places and see different places around the country and play music doing it, you know, I mean that's pretty that's pretty sick.

2:38:59 Speaker 4: Yeah.

2:38:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. Do you ever miss teaching or I mean, I mean, I'm sure I'm sure you.

2:39:04 Speaker 14: Miss if any of my old students are listening so much. I did love teaching, I really did. I really did. But I have to say it was the right decision. Yeah, I have never I've never felt like the desire to go back to teaching.

2:39:21 Speaker 3: Yeah.

2:39:22 Speaker 14: I think that it was really really good for the time. You know, it was a good a good season. I learned a lot and there's actually, weirdly a lot of overlap between managing a classroom and managing your business and also like teaching, standing in front of a class, teaching and engaging students, and also performing on stage and engaging an audience. It's weirdly similar. So like I'm very very grateful for my teaching.

2:39:46 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, that makes sense. Yeah, that totally makes sense. You ever hear from any of your students who have followed your your music career, so.

2:39:53 Speaker 14: They some of them do follow me in you know, social media, and they'll like like a post. And I have a student who will sometimes come when I play in Massachusetts. He'll come sometimes come to my showes, which is always really fun.

2:40:04 Speaker 1: That's cool. That's very cool. Yeah, yeah, that's excellent. Well, so we will begin to wrap up in a moment, but we'll probably play studio track.

2:40:16 Speaker 14: Whoops, I knew that was coming. It's usually me so thank you.

2:40:22 Speaker 1: Jenny and I are both clutches, so where the last people will ever judge you for dropping something.

2:40:28 Speaker 39: Almost hold onto anything for two days.

2:40:31 Speaker 3: Lately, I feel like.

2:40:32 Speaker 14: My clumsiness is getting worse, and it might just be the like I said, the aftermaths of the trip and not planning enough time to transition.

2:40:38 Speaker 31: To blame it on the humidity week.

2:40:40 Speaker 14: Maybe it's just you know, yeah, it got to us.

2:40:42 Speaker 15: That's problem.

2:40:43 Speaker 14: I am actually writing a song. It's like, well, I only have this so far.

2:40:48 Speaker 40: It's like I can be little clumsy, chipping over my own two feet.

2:40:53 Speaker 37: People think I'm funny, but I'm just trying to get uh yeah, a little something something. But the clusiest thing that I ever did was falling.

2:41:06 Speaker 9: For you.

2:41:11 Speaker 14: To hear it, maybe you can help me write the rest.

2:41:16 Speaker 1: There you go?

2:41:17 Speaker 12: Cool?

2:41:18 Speaker 1: What what what should we play to close the show? What's a studio track we should play?

2:41:23 Speaker 14: Either just because I can or Grateful depends if you want to play like a rocker track or a dreamy grateful track.

2:41:29 Speaker 1: Was Grateful the one that you said had some of your electric guitar playing in it.

2:41:32 Speaker 14: No, I don't think you have that song. I don't know if I ever sent that. Well, it's called Starlights. That was the one I recorded entirely in my home studio. I don't know if you have that one.

2:41:43 Speaker 1: It is because if it's online, I can find it. I found it.

2:41:48 Speaker 14: Okay, And now people in the comments can tell me what they think of this was. This was before I even had logic pro I produced this on Oh was it garage band?

2:41:59 Speaker 1: Might have been like, this will be very interesting, Okay, cool, cool and uh. And before we wrap up to Jenny, you want to mention the what's happening today the virtual event.

2:42:14 Speaker 39: Yes, today is the sixth annual Virtual Walk to support and raise awareness for c RPS Complex Regional pain syndrome. You can find out more information at r s d S dot org. R s d S dot org is the Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophe Association, which is what the disease used to be called. So if you want to find out more about complex VIE your pain syndrome, if you want to help us and donate to the walk, all the money and proceeds goes to help with awareness and helping folks out there that have it, both young and oult.

2:42:47 Speaker 39: So check out r s d S dot org and for more information on me, go to Gencoffee dot com.

2:42:53 Speaker 31: J E N N c O F f u I dot com.

2:42:56 Speaker 1: Very good, very good, And of course if you missed any part of today's show, it'll be up in just a little bit at w m hradio dot org and on my website. Matt connorton dot com and Katie Doobbins. Thank you again so much. Always nice to see you.

2:43:07 Speaker 14: Thank you so much for doing this and supporting so many local artists, not just oh you supported me from like the early days, and I appreciate you so much.

2:43:14 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, well, well, well we appreciate you. Oh did we mention your website?

2:43:19 Speaker 9: Is it?

2:43:19 Speaker 1: It's Katieobbins Music dot com.

2:43:21 Speaker 31: Is That's right?

2:43:22 Speaker 1: Everything is there? Absolutely and uh here's a so. This track features Katie on the electric guitar. Check this out. This is called Starlights.

2:43:34 Speaker 26: When night stor and quite.

2:43:40 Speaker 37: I you smiling your U remind me, boy, you're still shining.

2:43:53 Speaker 26: No matter where life takes us will be fine.

2:43:59 Speaker 3: Because your start.

2:44:08 Speaker 10: Shot from the side. He flight.

2:44:22 Speaker 26: My starlight.

2:44:37 Speaker 7: When my.

2:44:40 Speaker 37: Is doomed and fading. You speak to my heart, reminding me laid.

2:44:51 Speaker 3: Even a litle bit of lid can.

2:44:57 Speaker 26: Be enough to lie after.

2:45:03 Speaker 10: We are shine from the side, be both to. It's a lot.

2:45:26 Speaker 26: Starlight, starlight.

2:45:40 Speaker 40: To cover all your hungry hearts.

2:45:43 Speaker 31: Let's come alive tonight.

2:45:47 Speaker 3: Oh we need a lot alone and fiddle be alive.

2:45:53 Speaker 10: I get a whole lot, rider away and I feel your hands in mind.

2:46:00 Speaker 31: Join us see me, help me.

2:46:02 Speaker 40: Starting all us kit shine.

2:46:08 Speaker 3: We are stop shinte from the inside. We felt.

2:46:31 Speaker 26: We starlight, starlight, we starlight starlight, we starlight