Harley Flanagan | Matt Connarton Unleashed

0:00 Speaker 1: Hard times. Indeed, if that doesn't get the adrenaline, go

0:02 Speaker 1: and check your pulse, you might be dead. As I

0:04 Speaker 1: like to say, Let's see, so I see him, he

0:06 Speaker 1: is on the line with us. Let's see if we

0:07 Speaker 1: can hear him. Harley Flanagan, Are you there, sir?

0:10 Speaker 2: Can you hear me? I?

0:11 Speaker 1: Can can you hear me? Okay?

0:13 Speaker 2: I can you hear you? Oh?

0:14 Speaker 1: Awesome, Welcome to the program. I am very excited to

0:17 Speaker 1: speak with you because so I've always been aware of

0:20 Speaker 1: you and certainly aware of the Cromags. I did not

0:22 Speaker 1: know much about your backstory, so I've kind of taken

0:27 Speaker 1: a crash course in the last couple of days on

0:30 Speaker 1: Harley Flannagan and you have had had quite a life.

0:33 Speaker 1: And by the way, I did check out the trailer

0:34 Speaker 1: two for Wired for Chaos. I am dying to see that.

0:38 Speaker 1: That looks that looks fascinating. But that's not out yet. Correct?

0:43 Speaker 1: Is it coming out soon?

0:45 Speaker 2: Actually, it's going to be airing about airing. It's going

0:51 Speaker 2: to be in theaters starting June fifteenth. They are having

0:56 Speaker 2: four They're showing it four times here in New York

1:00 Speaker 2: at the Roxy Cinema. I'm going to be there Q

1:03 Speaker 2: and A, And it's also going to be showing in

1:07 Speaker 2: La San Francisco, Chicago, Philly, Boston, Seattle, Portland, Minneapolis, Austin,

1:14 Speaker 2: and there's a bunch of other places getting lined up

1:17 Speaker 2: and over between now and July, I'm going to be

1:23 Speaker 2: flying all over the place doing like Q and AS

1:25 Speaker 2: at these showings.

1:28 Speaker 1: Oh fantastic.

1:30 Speaker 2: Yeah. And then I think I've heard that in August

1:33 Speaker 2: it's going to be doing a pay per view type

1:37 Speaker 2: of event following the release on DVD and stuff like that.

1:40 Speaker 2: So it's so pretty cool.

1:42 Speaker 1: Oh, that is really cool.

1:43 Speaker 3: What is that like?

1:44 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, obviously, have you have you sat

1:47 Speaker 1: down and actually watched it? Have you watched it from

1:49 Speaker 1: beginning to end? That might sound like a strange question,

1:51 Speaker 1: but I've heard other people say, particularly people who are

1:54 Speaker 1: the subjects of documentary films. They'll tell you, oh, no,

1:57 Speaker 1: I haven't watched it. I can't bring myself to watch it.

1:59 Speaker 1: I mean, if you sat down and watched the whole thing.

2:03 Speaker 2: I actually did not see it until they were done,

2:07 Speaker 2: so I have seen it, but it was definitely a

2:13 Speaker 2: nerve wracking process because I didn't get to see anything

2:17 Speaker 2: until it was finished, and I was not privy or

2:20 Speaker 2: part of the editing process, so you know, I was

2:27 Speaker 2: a little nervous, but I think they I think they

2:32 Speaker 2: did a pretty good job. I mean it's really hard

2:34 Speaker 2: to tell, you know, an entire life in you know,

2:39 Speaker 2: an hour and change, but they managed to do a

2:43 Speaker 2: pretty good job.

2:43 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, oh, that's fantastic. Yeah. I look forward

2:47 Speaker 1: to seeing it. I assume after, you know, after the

2:49 Speaker 1: run in theaters, it'll be on do you know where

2:50 Speaker 1: it's going to be. I assume it'll be on a

2:52 Speaker 1: streaming service like Netflix or something like that.

2:54 Speaker 2: I don't know. I really don't know, you know, because

2:59 Speaker 2: I'm actually not so involved with this. I mean, I'm

3:03 Speaker 2: the subject of it, but you know, my thing is

3:06 Speaker 2: still music, and I'm you know, I'm I'm going on

3:09 Speaker 2: tour Monday, I'm flying to Europe. So I mean, well,

3:12 Speaker 2: I am you know, I'm concentrating on my job. You know,

3:16 Speaker 2: I let them handled that.

3:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, your story is fascinating to

3:22 Speaker 1: me because you're an example of someone who really overcame

3:25 Speaker 1: a lot your childhood. Uh, from what I've heard you

3:29 Speaker 1: describe in some interviews that I that I listened to

3:31 Speaker 1: and watched and read pretty uh, pretty hellish existence compared

3:35 Speaker 1: to what most people are used to growing up in

3:37 Speaker 1: New York City in a time where you know, sort

3:40 Speaker 1: of a pre gentrification or however you want to talk

3:43 Speaker 1: about it. But you're you're a real New Yorker. That's

3:46 Speaker 1: where you grew up and and and and what you

3:49 Speaker 1: went through. Uh, growing up was was pretty rough, which

3:53 Speaker 1: I assume shapes a lot of your your music, right,

3:58 Speaker 1: sort of that aggression, and it's a subject that comes

4:01 Speaker 1: out a lot on the show, you know, creating art

4:03 Speaker 1: from trauma.

4:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I think that's one of the one of

4:09 Speaker 2: the few good things that can come from it. Yeah,

4:14 Speaker 2: but yeah, you know, I definitely have had an interesting

4:17 Speaker 2: journey obviously, or they would not have made a film.

4:21 Speaker 2: But yeah, man, you know, I'm actually I'm living my

4:27 Speaker 2: best life now.

4:28 Speaker 4: Man.

4:28 Speaker 2: You know, I'm just lucky I made it through all

4:31 Speaker 2: of that and that I came out the other side

4:34 Speaker 2: more or less in one piece. And you know, I

4:37 Speaker 2: mean things are going great for me. You know, Like

4:41 Speaker 2: I said, I'm leaving on Monday when I get back

4:44 Speaker 2: from this tour. I literally I land at the airport

4:47 Speaker 2: and I go to the first showing of the film

4:50 Speaker 2: this day, Like, I'm putting down Baggs and I'm going

4:52 Speaker 2: to A Q and A and I'm going to be

4:55 Speaker 2: pretty much hitting the ground running from now from from

4:59 Speaker 2: Monday until the end of the summer at least.

5:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's incredible. One of the things that I think

5:06 Speaker 1: is really interesting about your story is and this is

5:09 Speaker 1: something that casual fans of you or of the Cromags

5:13 Speaker 1: or anything that you've done might not even know this,

5:15 Speaker 1: but obviously people who pay attention know. And I've been

5:18 Speaker 1: learning about it jiu jitsu and the role that that

5:22 Speaker 1: has played in your life. And I was particularly interested

5:24 Speaker 1: in that too, because I don't do it anymore, but

5:26 Speaker 1: I used to do gcundo and I and I've seen

5:29 Speaker 1: up close, you know, I mean, I've for it. I've

5:31 Speaker 1: been lucky in life. I've had a pretty normal existence overall,

5:35 Speaker 1: and I certainly didn't have the kind of upbringing that

5:37 Speaker 1: you did, but so I didn't necessarily have any any

5:41 Speaker 1: particular thing that I was trying to overcome or work through.

5:44 Speaker 1: But I've I've certainly met my share of people who

5:47 Speaker 1: have and I'd love to get your thoughts on how

5:50 Speaker 1: on how you feel that that has helped you and

5:54 Speaker 1: really shaped you. That experience of getting into jiu jitsu,

5:57 Speaker 1: which you got into at a pretty young age, right,

5:59 Speaker 1: you were still a teenage I think.

6:01 Speaker 2: Well, actually that got into it kind of late. I

6:03 Speaker 2: was almost I was like around thirty I started training. Yeah. No,

6:08 Speaker 2: I started training jiu jitsu in ninety six, which is

6:12 Speaker 2: you know, so in one way, I was definitely the

6:16 Speaker 2: first generation of Americans that was training under any of

6:21 Speaker 2: the Brazilian Black belts.

6:22 Speaker 1: Yeah.

6:22 Speaker 2: You know, Master hands Up is my master and my

6:26 Speaker 2: mentor and close friend and more like a brother to

6:30 Speaker 2: me than anything else. And you know, I was just

6:34 Speaker 2: really lucky. You know, I saw UFC one and two.

6:38 Speaker 2: I actually got them at Blockbusters on VHS whether they

6:42 Speaker 2: were first available. This was like in you know, early

6:45 Speaker 2: nineties ninety three, and I pretty much made up my

6:51 Speaker 2: mind then that if I ever had the opportunity to

6:53 Speaker 2: train with any of the Graciers, that I was going

6:55 Speaker 2: to take advantage of it.

6:56 Speaker 1: Yeah.

6:57 Speaker 2: And you know, I mean I have you know, I've

6:59 Speaker 2: had my share of excuse me, I've had my share

7:04 Speaker 2: of fights in my life, and I had never seen

7:07 Speaker 2: anything like like an arm bar or any of these techniques.

7:12 Speaker 2: I was just like, what is he doing? You know

7:14 Speaker 2: all these you know, different joint locks and so on

7:16 Speaker 2: and so forth, and I was just like, I got

7:19 Speaker 2: to learn this stuff. Man, this is really fascinating. And that,

7:24 Speaker 2: you know, that was a long time ago. I still

7:26 Speaker 2: trained pretty pretty religiously.

7:28 Speaker 5: Man.

7:29 Speaker 2: I'm at the academy like at least a couple of

7:32 Speaker 2: times a week, sometimes three four times a week when

7:34 Speaker 2: I'm not on tour. I you know, I exercise every day,

7:39 Speaker 2: and you know, jiu jitsu really keeps me together, keeps

7:43 Speaker 2: my head on straight, gives me a place to, you know,

7:46 Speaker 2: let the steam off and get normal.

7:50 Speaker 1: Sure. Sure, when you first got into it, did you know?

7:53 Speaker 1: I mean obviously you had an interest, you know, and

7:56 Speaker 1: you talked about, you know, watching UFC on I remember

7:59 Speaker 1: those days, of course Blockbuster VHS, renting a Blockbuster.

8:05 Speaker 2: But uh, I know it's young. People are gonna be like,

8:07 Speaker 2: what are they talking about?

8:09 Speaker 1: I know it seems like another lifetime, doesn't it, But uh,

8:12 Speaker 1: I know it doesn't.

8:14 Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like that long ago. But at the

8:16 Speaker 2: same time, it's like when the hell was that?

8:18 Speaker 1: I know, it's wild, but uh, when you first got

8:22 Speaker 1: into it, when you first started training, were you surprised

8:26 Speaker 1: at how it helped you? Obviously, it was helpful physically,

8:29 Speaker 1: and and you learn how to defend yourself and all

8:32 Speaker 1: this is that there's those immediate practical applications that are obvious,

8:36 Speaker 1: But were you surprised at how it also helped you mentally?

8:39 Speaker 1: And and really kind of you know, I this is

8:43 Speaker 1: kind of the way I think of it. You're kind

8:44 Speaker 1: of organizing your brain in a way that's that's positive

8:48 Speaker 1: and helpful and obviously too, you know, you get those

8:52 Speaker 1: endorphins going and everything, and that helps you emotionally. And

8:55 Speaker 1: were you surprised by those other ways that it helped

8:58 Speaker 1: you aside from just the obvious or did you kind

9:01 Speaker 1: of think that might happen.

9:03 Speaker 2: I can't say I was surprised, but it was not

9:09 Speaker 2: the reason I started training. Yeah, I mean I started

9:12 Speaker 2: training because I was always you know, I've been a

9:16 Speaker 2: fighter my whole life. You know, I've been fighting, you know,

9:19 Speaker 2: on the streets and you know, since I was a kid. Yeah,

9:23 Speaker 2: and I just wanted to learn something new and I

9:29 Speaker 2: fell in love with it. And you know, honestly, I

9:32 Speaker 2: started because of the fighting aspects of it. But I

9:36 Speaker 2: stayed with it all these years because of the love.

9:38 Speaker 2: You know, I fell in love not just with the art,

9:41 Speaker 2: but the community. You know, I've made some of the

9:45 Speaker 2: best friends of my life through jiu jitsu. I think

9:50 Speaker 2: it attracts you know, intelligent people, you know people you

9:55 Speaker 2: think that combat athletes are just you know, fighters are

9:58 Speaker 2: like knuckleheads and you know, not too smart. They just

10:03 Speaker 2: know how to smash each other or whatever. But I'll

10:05 Speaker 2: tell you, man, jiu jitsu is really technical, and it's

10:08 Speaker 2: really it's like playing chess, like physical chess. Sure who

10:15 Speaker 2: stick with it and gravitate towards it or you know,

10:18 Speaker 2: really really sharp, man. And it changed my life for

10:24 Speaker 2: the better in so many ways. Like I literally, you know,

10:28 Speaker 2: if it was only about fighting or only about the

10:31 Speaker 2: combat or the violence or whatever, there's no way I'd

10:34 Speaker 2: still be doing it this many years later, you know,

10:37 Speaker 2: I mean started in ninety six. Man, it's you know, yeah,

10:43 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, I'm still rolling, still loving it, and

10:47 Speaker 2: it's my community. It's where I that's where I go.

10:51 Speaker 2: You know, I really don't do much else when I'm

10:54 Speaker 2: not on tour. Yeah, you know, that's that's my social life,

10:59 Speaker 2: that's my that's where my friends are. Yeah, and I'm

11:05 Speaker 2: just really lucky that that this came to me, to me, you.

11:10 Speaker 6: Know, absolutely, thank God for you.

11:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding, huh. And I'm glad you said what

11:15 Speaker 1: you said too about you know, intelligent people. This is

11:18 Speaker 1: something that they do because You're right, there is a misconception,

11:21 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you run into it. I'm sure you

11:23 Speaker 1: run into it constantly. Still, you know that that people

11:26 Speaker 1: who do this are just you know, muscleheads who want

11:28 Speaker 1: to smash each other, and they don't understand that. No,

11:30 Speaker 1: it is much deeper than that, and it is complicated.

11:36 Speaker 2: To be fair. In the old days, you know, it

11:38 Speaker 2: was a little different. You know, when I first started training,

11:42 Speaker 2: it wasn't really as family friendly and there were not

11:46 Speaker 2: many women involved in the sport. You know those early

11:50 Speaker 2: days that people who got into it were pretty much

11:52 Speaker 2: people who either you know, we were bouncers, or people

11:58 Speaker 2: who were pursuing M m A as a career, or

12:01 Speaker 2: people who just liked to fight. It did initially attract

12:07 Speaker 2: a lot of knuckleheads, but they get weeded out pretty

12:13 Speaker 2: quick because you really can't be in that world too

12:19 Speaker 2: long because sooner or later you're gonna meet somebody that's

12:23 Speaker 2: gonna submit you, and you're gonna learn some humility or

12:27 Speaker 2: you're gonna leave, right. You know, if you can't, if

12:31 Speaker 2: you can't handle defeat with grace, you're not gonna last. Yeah,

12:39 Speaker 2: you know, because people people who can't handle losing and

12:43 Speaker 2: and and and still respecting your opponent, shaking their hand,

12:47 Speaker 2: giving them a hug. If you can't handle that, you're

12:50 Speaker 2: never gonna last in this sport. Because you know, you

12:53 Speaker 2: have to. I mean, you do need a certain amount

12:55 Speaker 2: of pride. You do need to have a certain amount

12:57 Speaker 2: of you know, belief in yourself, and you have you know,

13:02 Speaker 2: any combat situation you have to go in like, yeah,

13:04 Speaker 2: I'm gonna you out. But at the same time, you know.

13:09 Speaker 1: Harley, Harley, not not to interrupt, but I just have

13:12 Speaker 1: to remind you we are on FM radio.

13:14 Speaker 2: So I'm sorry totally.

13:17 Speaker 7: Bro.

13:17 Speaker 8: You know what, I have been doing some podcasts and

13:20 Speaker 8: videos the last few days. I've lost It's okay, I

13:23 Speaker 8: forget no, no, but I hope you can out.

13:28 Speaker 1: No no worries, my friend. We're we're, we're that's okay.

13:33 Speaker 1: We're on an eight second delay, so I was able

13:36 Speaker 1: to catch it. So no big deal. Don't don't even

13:38 Speaker 1: smid it. Don't even swid it.

13:40 Speaker 8: That's my natural New York. It just slips out. You mean,

13:44 Speaker 8: it's one of the Yeah, it was not easy. When

13:48 Speaker 8: I was teaching the kids class, I.

13:51 Speaker 1: Can imagine no, no, no, that's cold.

13:55 Speaker 2: And the parents did too, so excellent.

13:58 Speaker 1: Well that's what counts. That's what counts. Absolutely. That must be.

14:02 Speaker 2: Little parents how to be you know, tough. So I

14:04 Speaker 2: think your parents appreciated it.

14:06 Speaker 1: Well, that must be so rewarding too, to be able

14:09 Speaker 1: to teach young people who are getting into it. Yeah,

14:12 Speaker 1: that must be. So.

14:14 Speaker 2: I was constructor and I was running that program for

14:17 Speaker 2: like ten years, but I had to stop working at

14:22 Speaker 2: the Academy because I started touring so much again. Yeah,

14:26 Speaker 2: you know, when when my kids were younger, I took

14:29 Speaker 2: a break from touring for a while and I was

14:31 Speaker 2: really just focusing on being dad. And you know, I

14:36 Speaker 2: it was awesome. It was some of the best some

14:38 Speaker 2: of the best experiences and times of my life were

14:40 Speaker 2: just being dad.

14:42 Speaker 7: Yeah.

14:42 Speaker 2: But you know, once they got a little older, and

14:47 Speaker 2: you know, it's time for me to get back to work.

14:49 Speaker 2: I mean, I I music is my life. It always

14:51 Speaker 2: has been martial arts is part of my life. But

14:56 Speaker 2: you know, I make a living playing music, and you know,

14:59 Speaker 2: it pays me better than you know, teaching jiu jitsu.

15:03 Speaker 2: And if I had to pick one or the other,

15:06 Speaker 2: I don't know if I really could, because I you know,

15:08 Speaker 2: it's they're both really a part of who I am.

15:13 Speaker 1: Absolutely so speak of music. So you got into I

15:18 Speaker 1: mean you were you were a teenager right when you

15:20 Speaker 1: started playing playing bass. I'm a bass player, by the way,

15:22 Speaker 1: so I'm I'm particularly interested in this, but I mean,

15:26 Speaker 1: how old were you when you started playing? You were

15:28 Speaker 1: pretty young, right.

15:30 Speaker 2: Well, I was. I did my first tour in a

15:34 Speaker 2: punk rock.

15:34 Speaker 1: Bandit can Oh my god. Wow.

15:37 Speaker 2: I put out my first record when I was twelve,

15:40 Speaker 2: and that was a pretty legendary forty five called loud

15:44 Speaker 2: Fast Rules. My old band the Stimulators, and we were,

15:49 Speaker 2: you know, we were a punk band, but we were

15:51 Speaker 2: kind of the forerunners of what would become the New

15:54 Speaker 2: York hardcore scene. Yeah, like all the basically we you know,

16:01 Speaker 2: we were more of a punk band, like I say,

16:03 Speaker 2: but all of our fans, the kids that were at

16:06 Speaker 2: our shows were pretty much the first generation of New

16:11 Speaker 2: York hardcore. Bands. Okay, you know, Agnostic Front was in

16:15 Speaker 2: our audience cause for Alarm, the Mob, Urban Wastes, like

16:21 Speaker 2: pretty much the entire first generation of New York hardcore

16:26 Speaker 2: bands came out of our audience. So although we were

16:31 Speaker 2: not a hardcore band, we were definitely very influential. You know,

16:40 Speaker 2: we really kind of created a space for those kids

16:46 Speaker 2: because well, I think also a lot of it had

16:48 Speaker 2: to do with the fact that I was so young,

16:50 Speaker 2: so you know, that attracted younger kids as opposed to

16:56 Speaker 2: like all of the throwback punk rockers that had been

16:59 Speaker 2: hanging out at me axes and CBS, who for the

17:02 Speaker 2: most part were all you know, messed up on drugs.

17:06 Speaker 2: A lot of them were junkies, and you know, it

17:08 Speaker 2: was a pretty it was a pretty grimy scene. You know.

17:13 Speaker 2: I mean the majority of the people that I knew

17:17 Speaker 2: when I was a kid, you know, they were in

17:19 Speaker 2: their early twenties and stuff. And many of the punk

17:24 Speaker 2: rockers back then we're you know, working in the in

17:26 Speaker 2: the sex shows on you know, in Times Square, you know,

17:29 Speaker 2: screwing on stage and stuff for their drug money, and

17:33 Speaker 2: a lot of the chicks were prostitutes and you know

17:36 Speaker 2: or you know, strippers, that stripping was nothing. You know,

17:39 Speaker 2: most of them literally were prostitutes and doing live sex

17:42 Speaker 2: shows to support their drug habits. And these were the

17:45 Speaker 2: people I hung out with when I was twelve, you know,

17:50 Speaker 2: so you know, really there's it's no wonder that by

17:53 Speaker 2: the time I was, you know, fifteen, I was already

17:55 Speaker 2: living on the streets and you know, shooting meth and

17:58 Speaker 2: smoking PCP and wow, you name it. Yeah, I definitely

18:03 Speaker 2: didn't have a normal upbringing. And you know when when

18:09 Speaker 2: everybody around you, is it when all the adults are

18:14 Speaker 2: pretty much well not all, but like ninety eight percent

18:18 Speaker 2: of them are a mess? Yeah, learned, you.

18:22 Speaker 1: Know exactly exactly. I'm curious to being so young in

18:28 Speaker 1: the punk scene. Were were you easily accepted or was

18:32 Speaker 1: there any resistance to that? Did some people look at

18:34 Speaker 1: you like, you know, who's this kid?

18:36 Speaker 2: He's because everybody who's this kid? But he was always

18:43 Speaker 2: I mean, look, my aunt was in the Stimulators that

18:45 Speaker 2: band formed before I came to New York. I was

18:49 Speaker 2: in Europe at the time, actually in England when they

18:51 Speaker 2: were playing. I was going to shows in England. I

18:54 Speaker 2: was going to punk shows there. I meant to like

18:56 Speaker 2: the one hundred Club and all those legendary places back then. Yeah,

19:01 Speaker 2: when I was ten, you know, so, but you know,

19:09 Speaker 2: I mean I get yeah, I definitely was a standout

19:12 Speaker 2: character on the scene because everybody else was an adult

19:16 Speaker 2: more or less. I mean, you had your you know,

19:19 Speaker 2: eighteen nineteen twenty year olds, you know, mostly young chicks.

19:24 Speaker 2: But you know, I was definitely uh, but they accepted me.

19:34 Speaker 2: I mean, how do you not accept the kid who

19:36 Speaker 2: was at the show? I mean, you know, I was

19:38 Speaker 2: just walking around bumming quarters and playing timball what well?

19:42 Speaker 1: Also too, I mean having a family member and that

19:44 Speaker 1: what was it your aunt who was in the band

19:46 Speaker 1: with you?

19:48 Speaker 2: Yeah?

19:49 Speaker 1: And yeah, no, go ahead, no, So is that how

19:54 Speaker 1: is that how you became a member of the band,

19:55 Speaker 1: Because I just wonder, like, if you didn't have a

19:57 Speaker 1: family member in the band, would people have been more

20:00 Speaker 1: would the other members have been more resistant to bringing

20:02 Speaker 1: you in because you were so young?

20:05 Speaker 5: Yeah?

20:05 Speaker 2: Possibly, But you know what it was, it was really circumstantial.

20:09 Speaker 2: Like they had they were gigging band. Yeah, they had

20:16 Speaker 2: their drummer, Bob Weier. They replaced him with Johnny Blitz

20:21 Speaker 2: from the Dead Boys, so he was playing them right

20:23 Speaker 2: before me and you know, I had been going to

20:27 Speaker 2: their shows. I'd seen them live a bunch of times,

20:29 Speaker 2: and I used to I actually would get up on

20:31 Speaker 2: stage with them once in a while and play a

20:33 Speaker 2: song or two. And you know, I used to go

20:37 Speaker 2: to their practices. I knew their material. And so what

20:40 Speaker 2: happened was Johnny Blitz bailed out on them one time

20:45 Speaker 2: the day of a show that I don't know if

20:46 Speaker 2: he was, like, you know, he might have been dope,

20:49 Speaker 2: sick or something, I don't know, but he did not

20:52 Speaker 2: show up and they couldn't find them, and they went

20:54 Speaker 2: to his house looking for him, and he was not

20:56 Speaker 2: answering his door, and this and that so and he's

20:59 Speaker 2: was like, guess what, Harley, your playing drum tonight? And

21:04 Speaker 2: I was like, all right, you know, and I remember

21:06 Speaker 2: the show actually was in Philadelphia, the first show I

21:11 Speaker 2: did with them, and I remember literally sitting in the

21:14 Speaker 2: back of the vand with a phone book and drumsticks,

21:18 Speaker 2: like playing the whole way up, just trying to, you know,

21:22 Speaker 2: remember all the parts to the songs. And that was it, man,

21:26 Speaker 2: that first show. The audience was so receptive and excited,

21:32 Speaker 2: and you know, they I think it was really we

21:35 Speaker 2: were probably one of the first New York punk bands

21:37 Speaker 2: to ever make it to you know, North Carolina and

21:40 Speaker 2: South Carolina and stuff like that. So they were super

21:43 Speaker 2: pumped and and people were blown away. I mean we

21:47 Speaker 2: had two chicks in the band and a little kid

21:49 Speaker 2: in this crazy little day dude on vocals. We were

21:51 Speaker 2: definitely you definitely interesting. You know, there was nothing else

21:56 Speaker 2: like us, that's for damn sure.

21:58 Speaker 7: Yeah.

21:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of how it started for me. And

22:04 Speaker 2: I mean I had already, I had been in a

22:06 Speaker 2: band already, I was already out doing stuff. I'd been

22:10 Speaker 2: on a tour already, and yeah, I mean this has

22:14 Speaker 2: been my whole life, dude. I've been literally playing music

22:17 Speaker 2: and going to show since before I can remember. I

22:19 Speaker 2: mean my mom was a hippie and used to bring

22:22 Speaker 2: me to concerts and clubs, and you know, before I remember.

22:29 Speaker 2: You know, if you see photos of like Jefferson Airplane

22:32 Speaker 2: and there's like all, you know, naked children running around

22:35 Speaker 2: in front of stage, I was one of them.

22:39 Speaker 5: Yeah.

22:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was no time before music in my life.

22:47 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

22:48 Speaker 1: And then so so then was there anything between the

22:51 Speaker 1: stimulators and the Cromags or was the Cromags the next band.

22:56 Speaker 2: I was in a band called Mode of Ignorance, Okay,

23:01 Speaker 2: and I was also a founding member of the band

23:03 Speaker 2: Murphy's Law. I actually came up with the name of

23:06 Speaker 2: that band. But you know, I think the most significant

23:09 Speaker 2: thing that I've done musically has been the Chrome Eggs.

23:13 Speaker 2: You know, we've we've been going now strong since our

23:17 Speaker 2: first record came out in eighty six. The first recordings

23:21 Speaker 2: that we did came out, we put them out in

23:23 Speaker 2: like eighty four on cassette, I believe it or not. Yeah,

23:27 Speaker 2: and we've been you know, I've been active ever since,

23:31 Speaker 2: you know, so yeah, pretty long run. Yeah, things are

23:35 Speaker 2: going well. I mean we're still out playing, out playing festivals,

23:39 Speaker 2: and you know, life is good. Man. You know, most

23:42 Speaker 2: bands don't last you know, five minutes, forget about forty

23:48 Speaker 2: plus years.

23:50 Speaker 1: No, it is remarkable. I mean, do you feel the

23:52 Speaker 1: weight of that legacy. I mean it's it's because you

23:56 Speaker 1: were at the forefront of so much, especially you know,

24:01 Speaker 1: the way the way you started out in New York

24:03 Speaker 1: and everything and the scene. I mean do you feel like, like,

24:07 Speaker 1: like do people talk to you and they tell you,

24:09 Speaker 1: oh man, You're like like, obviously you get a lot

24:11 Speaker 1: of credit for what you've done. I mean, is that

24:14 Speaker 1: ever overwhelming to you? Do you feel like a certain

24:17 Speaker 1: level of responsibility that that like you have to continue

24:20 Speaker 1: to to carry that flag, carry that banner and and

24:23 Speaker 1: and really represent or or are you just or are

24:26 Speaker 1: you comfortable with it all?

24:30 Speaker 2: Uh? That's a good question. You know, it's a little

24:34 Speaker 2: bit of both. I guess yeah, I mean, I I

24:37 Speaker 2: I'm comfortable with it because I have never known anything else. Yeah,

24:42 Speaker 2: you know, I've been on stage since I was, you know,

24:47 Speaker 2: a kid, so you know, I mean people have been

24:50 Speaker 2: taking pictures of me since I was a kid. You know,

24:52 Speaker 2: people have I've always uh treated me a little different,

24:58 Speaker 2: you know. Sure, But then again, you know this is

25:05 Speaker 2: the weird part. Okay, Like, so I grew up in

25:08 Speaker 2: music and playing and everything, but I also lived in

25:11 Speaker 2: like a really bad neighborhood. You know, Lower East Side

25:14 Speaker 2: was dangerous. It was pretty scary back then. A lot

25:16 Speaker 2: of gangs, a lot of drugs, and so like my

25:19 Speaker 2: day life was like I was getting pretty much picked on,

25:23 Speaker 2: you know, beat up or jumped or whatever, you know,

25:27 Speaker 2: messed with and life kind of sucked. And then you know,

25:31 Speaker 2: the sun goes down and I'm at the clubs and

25:34 Speaker 2: I'm like a happening almost celebrity type. So it was

25:39 Speaker 2: like definitely a weird, you know mix of you know,

25:45 Speaker 2: elements in my life. But I'm just lucky I had

25:51 Speaker 2: the music because you know, I fell into drugs pretty

25:53 Speaker 2: hard early. I go into a lot of crime. I was,

25:56 Speaker 2: you know, I was homeless for a lot of years.

25:58 Speaker 2: I moved out of my moms when I was like fifteen,

26:02 Speaker 2: fourteen fifteen, and yeah, I want you're hiking out to

26:06 Speaker 2: the West Coast, and I was, you know, living in

26:08 Speaker 2: a lot of squats. I lived in you know, abandoned

26:11 Speaker 2: I lived in an abandoned brewery. I was actually living

26:13 Speaker 2: in like an air vent for a while in it.

26:16 Speaker 2: And you know, you would just find someplace that you

26:18 Speaker 2: could be safe, you know, someplace where you weren't going

26:21 Speaker 2: to get you know, accosted or you know violated, you know,

26:25 Speaker 2: right in the night. You know, you'd find someplace where

26:28 Speaker 2: you can sleep. You have groups of friends that you know,

26:32 Speaker 2: you kind of where each other's support system. You know. Yeah,

26:36 Speaker 2: I really was, you know, shoplifting to eat, and you know,

26:40 Speaker 2: I went through a period where I was, you know,

26:42 Speaker 2: a bit of a criminal you know, I mean, I

26:45 Speaker 2: was robbing people. You know, I've done some things that

26:48 Speaker 2: are quite regrettable. But you know, when you're on the

26:52 Speaker 2: street and you're a kid, and you know, you you

26:56 Speaker 2: sometimes forced into situations that are not just awkward, but

27:01 Speaker 2: you know, sometimes you have to do things that you

27:04 Speaker 2: might not normally do if you were living a different life, you.

27:07 Speaker 1: Know, right right. One of the interviews that I watched,

27:11 Speaker 1: I'd like to give credit to whoever it was you

27:14 Speaker 1: were talking to, but now I can't remember because I

27:16 Speaker 1: watched several of them, but you were talking about this

27:18 Speaker 1: about how no matter how bad things get, you know,

27:21 Speaker 1: sometimes all it takes is one good thing to just

27:26 Speaker 1: kind of turn everything around for you, and then it

27:29 Speaker 1: makes everything that happened up to that point suddenly is

27:33 Speaker 1: not a big deal because you have that triumph of

27:35 Speaker 1: overcoming it all. And I've just found that really inspiring

27:38 Speaker 1: because it is true. You know, we've all been through

27:40 Speaker 1: those times where we're at our absolute lowest point and

27:44 Speaker 1: then you know, and then sometimes all it takes is

27:47 Speaker 1: one good thing, whether it's luck or whatever it is

27:50 Speaker 1: that they can really turn everything around for you. And

27:54 Speaker 1: that's why I find your story very inspiring.

27:59 Speaker 2: You know what I tell people all the time, you know,

28:02 Speaker 2: there was a period well, I mean there's been many

28:05 Speaker 2: times in my life where I actually probably should have

28:08 Speaker 2: given up or you know, but I just you know,

28:15 Speaker 2: many times I've felt that way. But you you know,

28:20 Speaker 2: your lungs are still going to fill with air. You're

28:24 Speaker 2: you know, you're still going to be sitting there. You know,

28:26 Speaker 2: you can mentally want to give up, but your body

28:29 Speaker 2: is still sitting there. And then okay, I give up. Okay,

28:33 Speaker 2: now what Okay? Now I need to eat, Now I

28:37 Speaker 2: need to sleep. Okay. So actually I don't really have

28:41 Speaker 2: the opera the choice of giving up. I'm just you know, emotionally,

28:45 Speaker 2: i feel like I'm giving up, but I'm still alive

28:48 Speaker 2: and I still have to exist and fight through this,

28:51 Speaker 2: you know, and uh yeah, you know I And what

28:55 Speaker 2: I tell people is, you know, like when my my

28:57 Speaker 2: life absolutely took a dive, like I, you know, I

29:03 Speaker 2: in twenty twelve, I was really I hit a wall.

29:06 Speaker 2: I like the mother of my kids split on me,

29:09 Speaker 2: took my kids. I got assaulted going through a promags

29:14 Speaker 2: show that I wasn't playing. It was like a fraudulent

29:18 Speaker 2: promags and like I got assaulted by like a bunch

29:21 Speaker 2: of gang members and wow in the hospital and Rikers Yeah,

29:25 Speaker 2: I put three dudes. I got jumped by like about

29:28 Speaker 2: six seven dudes. I got stabbed. I got like forty

29:31 Speaker 2: something stitches, but I put three of them in the hospital.

29:35 Speaker 2: They all walked away knowing that I'm definitely not someone

29:37 Speaker 2: to play with, right, you know, part of my reputation, Like,

29:42 Speaker 2: you know, my reputation increased that night because all these

29:46 Speaker 2: guys thought they were tough and they realized you don't

29:50 Speaker 2: corner a wild animal. You just don't. Yeah, and you know,

29:55 Speaker 2: so my life really took a turn for the worst.

29:58 Speaker 2: I was sitting in Rikers On, I'm like, oh my god, my,

30:01 Speaker 2: you know, the mother and my kids. I've been with

30:03 Speaker 2: her fourteen years. She just like ripped my heart out

30:06 Speaker 2: and threw it in the gutter, and she took my

30:08 Speaker 2: kids from me. The only good thing that I feel

30:10 Speaker 2: like I had ever really achieved was being you know,

30:12 Speaker 2: father to them. The music and all that other stuff

30:15 Speaker 2: didn't matter to me as much as you know, fixing

30:20 Speaker 2: my own childhood through being their father. You know, I

30:25 Speaker 2: was doing all the things that I didn't get to do.

30:27 Speaker 2: I was you know, going to playgrounds and going to

30:31 Speaker 2: museums and doing all the things that I should have

30:32 Speaker 2: been doing when I was a kid, but wasn't right.

30:35 Speaker 2: You know. I was finally lived that, and then all

30:37 Speaker 2: of a sudden, everything just got crushed and I really

30:42 Speaker 2: could have given up. You know, I was in the newspapers,

30:46 Speaker 2: not on the news. I was you know, I was

30:48 Speaker 2: in cab TV, you know, count Rockers, stabs, blah lah lah.

30:53 Speaker 2: You know, it was like this big, big drama. Yeah,

30:56 Speaker 2: and you know, fast forward and uh, I'm in the

31:01 Speaker 2: best place I've ever been in in my life. You know,

31:03 Speaker 2: if you would have told me that, then I would

31:06 Speaker 2: have said, you know, if you would have told me

31:08 Speaker 2: I was going to go through the next however, many years,

31:11 Speaker 2: you know, ten years before I would really feel, you know,

31:16 Speaker 2: like I was back on top of my game, I

31:18 Speaker 2: would have given up. I probably would have said, you

31:20 Speaker 2: know what, feel me now, because I don't think I

31:22 Speaker 2: can last that long feeling this way. Yeah, But you

31:25 Speaker 2: know now that I am on the other side of that,

31:29 Speaker 2: you know, it's it's in my rear view mirror. Man,

31:33 Speaker 2: it's another it's just another Yeah. It was rough. Yeah,

31:38 Speaker 2: it was tough. But you know what, I'm still here

31:40 Speaker 2: and I'm doing great. And that's why I say to

31:42 Speaker 2: people all the time, it doesn't matter how bad things

31:44 Speaker 2: are or what you're going through, something could change all

31:47 Speaker 2: of that, and you just you don't have the strength

31:52 Speaker 2: or the will to get to that point. You know,

31:55 Speaker 2: you're not going to know, right, you know, if you

31:57 Speaker 2: just if you your life or give up or whatever,

32:00 Speaker 2: you know, like you don't, you'll never know what could

32:05 Speaker 2: have happened, what good could have came to you. I mean,

32:08 Speaker 2: you know, death is inevitable. It's like the one thing

32:10 Speaker 2: we don't have to work for. It's coming, right, So

32:14 Speaker 2: why why run to it? Why run that direction? You're

32:19 Speaker 2: going to get there? Yeah, And if you just slow

32:22 Speaker 2: down your pace a little bit and try to enjoy

32:26 Speaker 2: the ride a little bit and like look around as

32:29 Speaker 2: you're moving, you know, life is actually pretty amazing, you know.

32:34 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's full of trauma, full of drama,

32:37 Speaker 2: full of pain, suffering and everything else. But that's not

32:40 Speaker 2: all there is.

32:41 Speaker 1: Right right, Well, very well said.

32:46 Speaker 2: You know.

32:47 Speaker 1: By the way, so when you when you went on

32:48 Speaker 1: through all that in twenty twelve, like what what did

32:50 Speaker 1: you what did you do to help help yourself get

32:53 Speaker 1: through it. I mean, did you did you just kind

32:54 Speaker 1: of lean more on the jiu jitsu or I mean, what,

32:58 Speaker 1: uh is there anything specifically you did to really help

33:01 Speaker 1: yourself pull through that?

33:04 Speaker 2: You know what? It was just a string of good fortune,

33:08 Speaker 2: you know.

33:09 Speaker 1: Yeah.

33:09 Speaker 2: I had been working on a book for a while

33:12 Speaker 2: and around that time I met the person that I

33:17 Speaker 2: eventually wound up marrying and she became my editor. She was,

33:23 Speaker 2: you know, she had a PhD. And you know she

33:26 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, has a PhD. She's you know, super smart,

33:29 Speaker 2: she's a lawyer, she's a CEO of her own company.

33:32 Speaker 2: She's really got her she's she's one of the most

33:38 Speaker 2: you know, inspiring and as kicking humans I've known. And

33:45 Speaker 2: you know, she had started working on editing my book

33:49 Speaker 2: with me right before all this happened, So she knew

33:56 Speaker 2: that what she was seeing in the news and everything

33:58 Speaker 2: was not true. Yeah, and she believed in me. She

34:03 Speaker 2: had she knew I wasn't this psycho who went on

34:07 Speaker 2: like a stabbing spree at a nightclub. She was like,

34:09 Speaker 2: I've seen him with his kids all the time. He's

34:11 Speaker 2: like a good guy. He's a good person. He's a

34:13 Speaker 2: great father, He's he does have a heart. He's not

34:16 Speaker 2: this crazy madman. So yeah, you know, we just got

34:21 Speaker 2: closer and closer. And I got to say that between her,

34:29 Speaker 2: between her and Henzo Gracie and having that the Academy,

34:33 Speaker 2: and you know that really gave me what I needed,

34:39 Speaker 2: just the support system to keep going. And and again,

34:44 Speaker 2: you know, one thing people need to know too, is like,

34:49 Speaker 2: you know, you can have your heart broken, you can

34:51 Speaker 2: have your spirit broken, but you know, the heart heals. Man,

34:54 Speaker 2: It's like one of the most resilient muscles in the body,

34:58 Speaker 2: you know. I mean, I I never thought I'd be

35:02 Speaker 2: able to love someone again, and I'm again, I'm I'm

35:07 Speaker 2: happier than I've ever been. I'm in the best relationship

35:10 Speaker 2: I've ever been in. And so I mean, I guess

35:16 Speaker 2: the moral of this is, no matter how bleak things seem,

35:20 Speaker 2: you really just can't give up. You know, you actually can't.

35:23 Speaker 2: You know, life is too beautiful to just throw in

35:26 Speaker 2: the towel. Man. You got to fight for what you want, man.

35:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And also too, I mean, you're you know,

35:33 Speaker 1: you're you've kept yourself an incredible physical shape. The most

35:36 Speaker 1: most men your age, I don't are not in the

35:39 Speaker 1: kind of physical shape that you're in. And you know,

35:42 Speaker 1: obviously how we take care of ourselves physically affects how

35:44 Speaker 1: we feel mentally and emotionally and all of that. So

35:47 Speaker 1: that's that's an important piece of this too. I think.

35:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I exercise every day. I do like

35:54 Speaker 2: an hour of cardio almost like, I do between forty

35:58 Speaker 2: minutes to an hour every day. And you know, I

36:02 Speaker 2: trained jiu jitsu in box, you know, at least a

36:05 Speaker 2: couple of times a week. I do at least thirty

36:08 Speaker 2: minutes of shadow boxing every day. I'm I'm i border

36:13 Speaker 2: I'm obsessed, you know. And but there's you know, reasons

36:17 Speaker 2: it starters it. I'm in great shape because of it. Yeah,

36:22 Speaker 2: it helps my It helps my mind, you know, it

36:25 Speaker 2: relieves stress. It keeps me a little bit you know,

36:28 Speaker 2: more grounded, and and you know, I take my job

36:33 Speaker 2: very serious, man. I want to go out on stage

36:35 Speaker 2: and kill it. So I do more cardio every day

36:40 Speaker 2: than I know I'm going to be on stage, right,

36:43 Speaker 2: I know I have an hour that I have to do.

36:46 Speaker 2: I make sure that I do an hour of cardio

36:48 Speaker 2: every day leading up to that tour. You know, the

36:51 Speaker 2: last tour we did. We only had a half hour

36:53 Speaker 2: set because we were opening up for Danzig, and I

36:57 Speaker 2: had so much energy. I was like, you know, my, my,

36:59 Speaker 2: my show would be over and I'd be like doing

37:02 Speaker 2: you know, a couple hundred push ups right as soon

37:05 Speaker 2: as I walk off the stage, just like, yeah, man,

37:07 Speaker 2: let's go. I'll go another forty minutes. Man, let's do this,

37:09 Speaker 2: you know. So yeah, I feel great, man, Yeah, I

37:13 Speaker 2: feel great. My wife said the other day. You know,

37:15 Speaker 2: I'm like, honey, I feel you know, I lost a

37:17 Speaker 2: little weight, you know, because I've been exercising differently. I'm

37:20 Speaker 2: not working for strength as much as as endurance right now.

37:25 Speaker 2: It's because I have to prioritize. I have this tour

37:28 Speaker 2: coming up, so I'm really working on just being able

37:31 Speaker 2: to go all out for an hour. That's my mission, right.

37:35 Speaker 2: So yeah, and she's like, she told me, you know, yeah,

37:39 Speaker 2: you got you lost a little bit of weight, but

37:42 Speaker 2: you look great. You look like you did when you

37:45 Speaker 2: were in your twenties. And she's met me in my twenties,

37:49 Speaker 2: so you know what, I'm almost I'm sorry, I think

37:52 Speaker 2: I almost said a bed word. I'm almost sixty, bro,

37:58 Speaker 2: I'm fifty eight years ago, and the fact that my wife,

38:02 Speaker 2: who knew me in my twenties, says I still look

38:04 Speaker 2: the same, like physically, you know, that says a lot.

38:07 Speaker 1: Man, it does.

38:10 Speaker 2: I got I got. I go between a six to

38:13 Speaker 2: an eight pack, depending on how many leglifts I do

38:15 Speaker 2: it right, I'm in shape, I got veins in my arms,

38:18 Speaker 2: I'm still cut, you know. Yeah, And it's important, man.

38:23 Speaker 2: You know, I see people half my aage who like

38:25 Speaker 2: struggle walking upstairs. You know. I see people who have

38:28 Speaker 2: like a hard time getting up off the couch, and

38:30 Speaker 2: I'm like, I see parents in the playground who are

38:33 Speaker 2: like so out of shape that they can't even keep

38:36 Speaker 2: up with their kids or play with them, right right, Like,

38:41 Speaker 2: I don't even see your point in breeding if you're

38:43 Speaker 2: going to be so out of shape that you're just

38:45 Speaker 2: going to raise more out of shape people like you know,

38:49 Speaker 2: do you know, if you're gonna have kids, get your

38:51 Speaker 2: life together, be healthy, set an example for them, you know. Yeah, people,

38:56 Speaker 2: I always let the idea of the dad bod. You

38:59 Speaker 2: know what, I had my kids, I started working out

39:02 Speaker 2: twice as hard. Yeah, you know, because I'm like I

39:05 Speaker 2: want to I want to set an example for them.

39:07 Speaker 2: I want them to know that health is wealth. Man.

39:10 Speaker 2: You know, you've got to work, You got to take

39:12 Speaker 2: care of yourself. You got to get in there and grind. Man.

39:15 Speaker 2: I used to bring their strollers to the gym with me,

39:18 Speaker 2: you know, and they'd sit there in their strollers while

39:20 Speaker 2: I was working out. You know. I started bringing them

39:22 Speaker 2: to the academy when they were like six months old.

39:25 Speaker 2: I wanted them to see, this is what men are

39:27 Speaker 2: supposed to do. They're supposed to be in shape, they're

39:29 Speaker 2: supposed to be active. You know.

39:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I've always said, well, I've always said too,

39:37 Speaker 1: there's a there's a weird thing culturally in the United States,

39:40 Speaker 1: and maybe this exists other places too. But you know, we, uh,

39:44 Speaker 1: we feed our I don't have any children on my own,

39:46 Speaker 1: but you know we feed our kids like almost right

39:48 Speaker 1: out of the shoot, all kinds of sugar and and

39:52 Speaker 1: you know, it's like, uh, you know, right right out

39:55 Speaker 1: of the gate. We teach our kids, you know, this

39:57 Speaker 1: is what this is what you should enjoy the most.

40:00 Speaker 1: His cake and candy and all this stuff. And then

40:03 Speaker 1: we raise generations of diabetics, you know, and and and

40:07 Speaker 1: and gee, I wonder why.

40:10 Speaker 2: You know badly. It's you know, all part of a

40:14 Speaker 2: bigger picture. I mean the you know, the they want

40:19 Speaker 2: to I say they I hate to turn into one

40:21 Speaker 2: of those people, but it's like basically if they you know,

40:26 Speaker 2: they want you as long as long as you could

40:28 Speaker 2: be part of the workforce, and then and then they

40:32 Speaker 2: just want you to pay medical bills. You know. It's

40:34 Speaker 2: just like how how can the system get the most

40:37 Speaker 2: out of you and give you the least and just

40:39 Speaker 2: keep you, you know, another little meaningless screw in the machine, right,

40:45 Speaker 2: you know, It's like work hard, get sick, and keep

40:49 Speaker 2: giving them money until you die, you know. Yeah, And

40:53 Speaker 2: you know, and I do think it's a I hate

40:56 Speaker 2: using the word conspiracy, but I do think that there

40:59 Speaker 2: is a little bit of a you know, throughout the

41:02 Speaker 2: history of this country, they've done a lot of you know,

41:04 Speaker 2: they really have polluted us. You know, there's a lot

41:08 Speaker 2: of foods in this country that are not even legal

41:11 Speaker 2: in other countries, like food colorings and different artificials, sweeteners,

41:17 Speaker 2: and various ingredients and chemicals that they use in our

41:20 Speaker 2: foods that are literally banned in other countries. Sure, what

41:24 Speaker 2: did all tell you that tells you that somebody's making

41:28 Speaker 2: money off of keeping us unhealthy. You know, I've been

41:32 Speaker 2: a vegetarian since nineteen eighty two. Oh yeah, and you

41:36 Speaker 2: know I was you know.

41:39 Speaker 1: I was surprised by that too. You mentioned that in

41:42 Speaker 1: one of the interviews that I watched, and that was

41:43 Speaker 1: interesting to me because I would imagine a lot of

41:47 Speaker 1: people you tell that too, are surprised because you know,

41:49 Speaker 1: you've got a lot of muscle on you, and I

41:51 Speaker 1: think there's a obviously it's a misconception because you're proof

41:54 Speaker 1: of this this idea that you can't you know that

41:57 Speaker 1: if you're a vegetarian, you can't build muscle, but you

42:00 Speaker 1: obviously have built muscle as a vegetarian, and as you said,

42:04 Speaker 1: you've been a vegetarian for a very long time.

42:07 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know what, there's a lot of myths

42:10 Speaker 2: in the health industry, you know. I mean, they do

42:15 Speaker 2: most of their research on rats, you know, I mean,

42:18 Speaker 2: and rats require a lot more protein than people. Yeah,

42:24 Speaker 2: but you know, and also people don't realize that there

42:27 Speaker 2: is actually protein and vegetables, you know, I mean, for

42:31 Speaker 2: you know, like all those fake burgers that they make now,

42:36 Speaker 2: like what they called.

42:39 Speaker 1: Impossible Burger.

42:41 Speaker 2: That stuff's made from like pea protein. You know, peas

42:44 Speaker 2: have protein, Broccoli has protein. You know. So and unless

42:51 Speaker 2: you're like trying to you don't be like a body builder.

42:55 Speaker 2: You don't really as much protein as people think. Yeah,

43:00 Speaker 2: you know. And so unless unless you're like literally trying to,

43:04 Speaker 2: you know, bulk up and you know, be like you know,

43:07 Speaker 2: Arnold Schwarzenegger or something, you don't need. You know, people

43:12 Speaker 2: always talking about you need one grand of protein for

43:14 Speaker 2: every you know, I don't. I don't know if all

43:16 Speaker 2: that's true.

43:16 Speaker 9: Man.

43:17 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I know, I'm in good shape.

43:22 Speaker 7: You know.

43:22 Speaker 2: My wife just put out a book book too, So

43:24 Speaker 2: I mean, if people are interested in what I eat

43:27 Speaker 2: for you know, to maintain uh, she put just Laurel Leaflanagan.

43:31 Speaker 2: She just put out a book called Hardcore Vegetarian. Oh

43:35 Speaker 2: and it's not it's not a book that like dashes

43:39 Speaker 2: meat eating or anything like that, you know, it's it's

43:42 Speaker 2: actually just a lot of recipes to try to bring

43:46 Speaker 2: more vegetables into your diet. Yeah, you know, it's not

43:50 Speaker 2: so much about it's just about you know, learning more

43:54 Speaker 2: about food and adding new things to your diet that

43:57 Speaker 2: you didn't know about and stuff and so for people

43:59 Speaker 2: who want to know what I do to stay in shape.

44:01 Speaker 2: Obviously I exercise a lot, but you know, what you

44:04 Speaker 2: put into your body is critical too.

44:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Harley, we're approaching.

44:12 Speaker 2: I know met leaders who are in great shape too.

44:15 Speaker 2: Everybody is different, so I also I also I'm not

44:18 Speaker 2: one of these like militant vegetarians who is like you know,

44:22 Speaker 2: I kind of used to be. But the fact is is,

44:27 Speaker 2: you know what, vegetables at plants are also alive, you know,

44:33 Speaker 2: so I can't judge people for eating meat. You know,

44:37 Speaker 2: my vegetables were alive, and if any if anything, I'm

44:43 Speaker 2: more against the you know, industrial uh industry of the

44:51 Speaker 2: meat industry, and like the way it like if people

44:53 Speaker 2: were still you know, hunter gatherers like we were, uh,

45:01 Speaker 2: you know, factory farming is really what what what is

45:04 Speaker 2: destroying not just our health but the planet, you know,

45:08 Speaker 2: Like the meat industry is really toxic, like the all

45:13 Speaker 2: the pollution that comes out of the waste and and

45:16 Speaker 2: you know how I mean, it goes on and on.

45:20 Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit here and like preach. Anybody

45:23 Speaker 2: can do the research. But you know, if you're gonna

45:28 Speaker 2: eat meat, I think you should eat you know, it

45:31 Speaker 2: should be healthy. It should be like you know, grass fed,

45:35 Speaker 2: you should or you should be hunting it yourself, or

45:38 Speaker 2: you know, there has to be some sort of respect

45:40 Speaker 2: for for nature, right, you know, right, you don't respect

45:45 Speaker 2: don't yourself. It's gonna go bad. It's just you know,

45:49 Speaker 2: we see the results.

45:51 Speaker 1: Oh no, well said well Harley, we are. The time

45:55 Speaker 1: goes quickly. We are approaching the top of the hour.

45:57 Speaker 1: But this has been incredible. I'm really glad you joined us.

45:59 Speaker 2: Today, man, thank you for having me.

46:02 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. We should remind people before we go. And

46:05 Speaker 1: by the way, in a moment we're going to I'm

46:07 Speaker 1: going to close out the segment with Life of my Own,

46:09 Speaker 1: another great track, but uh, we should remind people Wired

46:13 Speaker 1: for Chaos is coming out. It's gonna be in theaters

46:16 Speaker 1: middle of the month. I think you.

46:17 Speaker 2: Said, yeah, what's the date on that again? I think

46:24 Speaker 2: it's gonna be uh see.

46:28 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you said the fift.

46:31 Speaker 2: June fifteenth, that hits the theaters, okay, and uh doing

46:35 Speaker 2: like a theater tour with the film with Q and

46:39 Speaker 2: a's and and all that stuff. So it'll uh you know,

46:43 Speaker 2: and and then it will be available streaming and so

46:47 Speaker 2: on and so forth. So and you know, I think

46:50 Speaker 2: it's a it's a it's a it's a good story.

46:52 Speaker 2: It's a good film, even if you are not interested

46:56 Speaker 2: in you know, punk rock or hardcore music. Everybody who's

47:00 Speaker 2: seen this thing told me that they were able to

47:04 Speaker 2: really identify with the story, you know, because although I've

47:08 Speaker 2: had a unique experience, you know, my life has been

47:13 Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody else has lived a life

47:15 Speaker 2: exactly like mine, but we've all experienced trauma. We've all

47:21 Speaker 2: experienced you know, different types of you know, pain, stress,

47:30 Speaker 2: you know, everybody has suffered. Everybody's gone through things that

47:33 Speaker 2: were difficult. So I mean, I you know, whether it

47:35 Speaker 2: was you know, you're a broken family, your parents separating,

47:39 Speaker 2: whether it was you know, divorced, losing your kids, whether

47:42 Speaker 2: it was you know, getting arrested, whether it was struggling

47:45 Speaker 2: with drugs or this or that. There's a lot of

47:47 Speaker 2: things in this film that I think most humans can

47:51 Speaker 2: identify with because nobody has an easy ride, and I

47:57 Speaker 2: think it gives a little bit of hope maybe, you know,

48:01 Speaker 2: I mean, because if I have made it through the

48:03 Speaker 2: things I made it through, I think I think most

48:08 Speaker 2: people I think just about anybody, can you know what

48:10 Speaker 2: I mean? A lot of people out there have suffered

48:13 Speaker 2: harder than me, but you know a lot of people

48:16 Speaker 2: have suffered harder than me and done well right right,

48:20 Speaker 2: So that said, I just don't believe in giving up.

48:23 Speaker 2: And if I can give anybody just a little bit

48:26 Speaker 2: of hope or the strength to believe in yourself, then

48:29 Speaker 2: you know, then my time on this earth was not

48:32 Speaker 2: a waste.

48:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well said, well said. I agree. And by

48:36 Speaker 1: the way, too, I'll remind people you've got a great website,

48:38 Speaker 1: Harleyflanagan dot com for people who want to learn more

48:42 Speaker 1: about you and about the film. And you've got a

48:44 Speaker 1: tour coming up and coming up really.

48:46 Speaker 2: Fast, right, you're you're that Monday is.

48:52 Speaker 1: All right, very good Germany somewhere.

48:55 Speaker 2: On Tuesday or Wednesday, and the day I get home,

48:58 Speaker 2: I'm doing a Q and A. So yeah, let's do it.

49:01 Speaker 1: You gotta you got a full schedule. Well listen, So

49:04 Speaker 1: we'll close with this track Life of my Own and

49:07 Speaker 1: but we'll let you go, Harley flanagain, thank you so much.

49:10 Speaker 1: Let's let's do this again in the future. I could

49:12 Speaker 1: I could talk to you forever. Man. This has been fascinating,

49:14 Speaker 1: so I'm really glad you joined us this morning.

49:17 Speaker 2: This is fun and you can have me on anytime.

49:20 Speaker 2: It would be a pleasure to talk to you again.

49:22 Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome, all right Harley flanagain, thank you so much,

49:25 Speaker 1: my friend.

49:25 Speaker 2: Take care my pleasure, take care of men.

49:28 Speaker 1: All right, you got it? Bye bye, all right Harley

49:31 Speaker 1: Flanagan of the Crowmags, and I'm really looking forward to

49:33 Speaker 1: seeing the documentary Wired for Chaos, And we're gonna end

49:36 Speaker 1: with this track. This is another great song, Memories.

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50:21 Speaker 10: You well, that's the way enough to say.

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50:33 Speaker 11: You'll fight he's.

50:35 Speaker 4: A vile.

50:38 Speaker 12: You'll come.

50:39 Speaker 13: Tell us WHOA.

50:44 Speaker 3: Where the mother?

50:45 Speaker 11: The accept your soul?

50:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's fool.

50:54 Speaker 11: Where nothing excepting soul?

50:59 Speaker 7: What you want that? How you want it?

51:04 Speaker 3: Sounds like a.

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51:13 Speaker 14: What all the time?

51:14 Speaker 3: When you lay riss.

51:18 Speaker 13: Your time?

51:19 Speaker 3: Show us whoa.

51:23 Speaker 7: With mother?

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1:01:41 Speaker 1: That is a very very cool song. Everybody's changing. And

1:01:45 Speaker 1: let me get that mic up, and I'm going to

1:01:47 Speaker 1: ask I'm gonna ask him to so I don't screw

1:01:51 Speaker 1: up his last name. Welcome, how do you? Okay, go

1:01:55 Speaker 1: ahead and introduce yourself, Sarah. Let me get these make

1:01:58 Speaker 1: sure this mic is working here, go ahead and introduce yourself.

1:02:01 Speaker 6: My name is Stephen de Keir, Stephen de Cure, local

1:02:05 Speaker 6: musician from Nashua, New Hampshire. I played full time all

1:02:10 Speaker 6: around New Hampshire in the Massachusetts area. Tonight I'll be

1:02:14 Speaker 6: in a York Maine, York beach playing from seven to

1:02:17 Speaker 6: ten pm. Okay to the show.

1:02:20 Speaker 1: Very cool, very cool. Yeah, so Stephen de Kure, yes,

1:02:24 Speaker 1: as I say it, Okay, very good, very good. Because

1:02:26 Speaker 1: you're I'm curious if your name ever gets messed up

1:02:28 Speaker 1: on a poster.

1:02:29 Speaker 6: Like gets messed up all the time all the time.

1:02:33 Speaker 1: Yes that I'm gonna get this camera on you here

1:02:37 Speaker 1: so people can see who are watching online if you

1:02:39 Speaker 1: are just joining us. Matt Connorton Unleashed. We have entered

1:02:42 Speaker 1: our number two New Marrow dose here on this Saturday morning,

1:02:46 Speaker 1: and Stephen de Kere is with us, and he brought

1:02:48 Speaker 1: his guitar. He's gonna play, He's gonna play for us

1:02:51 Speaker 1: in just a moment. But I love that song. So

1:02:53 Speaker 1: where was that recorded? Where did you do that?

1:02:55 Speaker 6: So I've been recording with h Charlie Brusso over at

1:02:58 Speaker 6: Woodshot Productions in Atkinson, New Hampshire. Okay, He's worked with

1:03:03 Speaker 6: like God, Smack and run DMC over the years, some

1:03:07 Speaker 6: pretty prominent names. Yeah, he's good friends of mine, a

1:03:11 Speaker 6: few of my other friends. So I've been working with

1:03:13 Speaker 6: him and I've been working on this EP coming out

1:03:16 Speaker 6: now on almost two years now. I've been working on it.

1:03:19 Speaker 1: Oh wow, yep. Now, how did you? How did you

1:03:21 Speaker 1: come to work with him? Because obviously you know he's

1:03:22 Speaker 1: worked with some heavy hitters. I mean, how did that

1:03:24 Speaker 1: come about?

1:03:24 Speaker 6: So just mutual friends of my mom and dads and

1:03:29 Speaker 6: friend music friends of ours that I've known throughout the years. Uh,

1:03:33 Speaker 6: you know put me in touch with him, and I've

1:03:36 Speaker 6: been working with him ever since.

1:03:39 Speaker 1: How many are you putting out an EP or how many?

1:03:42 Speaker 6: Just an EP? It's my very first EP, so it'll

1:03:44 Speaker 6: be six songs.

1:03:45 Speaker 1: Oh wow, song EP, Very cool. Congratulations on that.

1:03:50 Speaker 5: Who else is on?

1:03:51 Speaker 1: Who else is working?

1:03:52 Speaker 2: Like?

1:03:52 Speaker 1: Is it all just you?

1:03:54 Speaker 6: It's mostly just me. I have obviously Charlie producing it.

1:03:57 Speaker 6: He's putting most of it together for me. But I

1:04:00 Speaker 6: also have Jeff McGinnis. He's one of my lead guitarists

1:04:04 Speaker 6: on the on the track on the album as well.

1:04:06 Speaker 6: He was guitarist on everybody's changing as well. Oh okay,

1:04:09 Speaker 6: and he's super super talented, super super talented guy. Really nice.

1:04:15 Speaker 6: He actually owns the Mojo's music.

1:04:17 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh very cool.

1:04:19 Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's what I'm working with on on that,

1:04:22 Speaker 6: and getting some other people in for bass and things

1:04:25 Speaker 6: like that, and usually I just do it myself though.

1:04:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, do you want to play something for us?

1:04:29 Speaker 1: You got your guitar, let me turn that, turn that guitar,

1:04:32 Speaker 1: apierro play. I've got the right. Oh that sounds nice.

1:04:36 Speaker 1: That sounds nice in the headphones.

1:04:37 Speaker 6: Yeah, all right. This one's called Quiet Moments. This is

1:04:41 Speaker 6: an original.

1:05:05 Speaker 29: Quiet Moments.

1:05:08 Speaker 3: All the long.

1:05:16 Speaker 12: Hours Friday, my been Lord.

1:05:27 Speaker 11: Fill these pages.

1:05:30 Speaker 15: And the stories, range them your homeway, sing.

1:05:42 Speaker 12: Them for me, looking at my window as.

1:05:50 Speaker 30: The sun creeks to day, birds of singing, clean tree

1:05:57 Speaker 30: zoo tree writing songs come suweesly, surrounded by n chs.

1:06:06 Speaker 28: Beaudy, play the skits.

1:06:25 Speaker 30: Are day in tunhide, create the fire high.

1:06:38 Speaker 7: I know you like.

1:06:46 Speaker 15: Fill these pages, stormble store homies, arrange them your home way.

1:07:00 Speaker 15: Sing for me.

1:07:07 Speaker 12: Looking out my window is two clowns over the day.

1:07:13 Speaker 12: Window is boring meaning song its way.

1:07:18 Speaker 15: Writing songs come sueezs me surrounded by niechous beudy quiet moments.

1:08:07 Speaker 3: All along.

1:08:14 Speaker 12: House is empty.

1:08:18 Speaker 7: No once.

1:08:25 Speaker 15: Fill these pages, flownly stor homies, arrange them your Hollway

1:08:39 Speaker 15: sing for me.

1:09:17 Speaker 6: Quite a Moment's a little rough, but you know a

1:09:19 Speaker 6: little rough, dude.

1:09:20 Speaker 1: That was beautiful. That was beautiful. Welcome everybody, if you

1:09:25 Speaker 1: are just joining us. We have Steven Dekiri here with us,

1:09:27 Speaker 1: alive in studio and that's that sounded fantastic.

1:09:31 Speaker 6: Thank you.

1:09:32 Speaker 1: How long have you been? How long have you been

1:09:33 Speaker 1: doing this? So have you been?

1:09:35 Speaker 9: No?

1:09:35 Speaker 6: I have been playing. So I started playing guitar when

1:09:38 Speaker 6: I was seven years old. Okay, my uncle got me

1:09:41 Speaker 6: an electric electric guitar, so I was playing you know Metallica,

1:09:45 Speaker 6: Iron Maiden, you know all the Megadeath, you know Green Day.

1:09:51 Speaker 6: And then when I was freshman in high school, I

1:09:54 Speaker 6: had to do a guitar class, so I had to

1:09:56 Speaker 6: get an acoustic guitar because I didn't have enough for

1:09:58 Speaker 6: all the kids. So sure, I had to go buy one,

1:10:00 Speaker 6: got one. Never looked back. Yeah, eleven plans since I

1:10:04 Speaker 6: was like seven, and I've been doing uh like full

1:10:07 Speaker 6: time gigging for about a little over ten years.

1:10:10 Speaker 1: Oh excellent, excellent.

1:10:11 Speaker 15: Wow.

1:10:11 Speaker 1: Where are you from?

1:10:12 Speaker 2: Uh?

1:10:12 Speaker 9: So?

1:10:13 Speaker 6: I was born in Lawrence, Massachusetts. Okay, moved to Nashville

1:10:15 Speaker 6: when I was about six years old. So I've been

1:10:18 Speaker 6: in Nasha since about two thousand and two thousand and one.

1:10:21 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Now, how did you how did you when

1:10:26 Speaker 1: when you were starting out? I mean, did you always

1:10:29 Speaker 1: do a solo acoustic thing or did you play a band?

1:10:31 Speaker 6: An I've always done solo acoustic.

1:10:33 Speaker 5: Yeah.

1:10:34 Speaker 6: Over the years now that I've you know, been doing

1:10:36 Speaker 6: it for a while, I've been trying to work more

1:10:38 Speaker 6: with like, you know, bands and like get up on

1:10:40 Speaker 6: stage with bands and as far as that goes. But yeah,

1:10:43 Speaker 6: I usually just do it solo.

1:10:45 Speaker 1: It's easier, right, I Mean it's you know, you don't

1:10:48 Speaker 1: depend on anybody else for yeah, their availability and in

1:10:52 Speaker 1: terms of rehearsing and playing shows and.

1:10:54 Speaker 6: All that, exactly exactly. It's it's a it's a little

1:10:57 Speaker 6: bit it's a little bit easier to go about a

1:11:00 Speaker 6: business wise.

1:11:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Do you do covers as well

1:11:04 Speaker 1: or I do do covers as well? Yeah?

1:11:06 Speaker 9: I do.

1:11:06 Speaker 6: I do mostly covers even at all my shows. Yeah,

1:11:09 Speaker 6: Like I said this, is the first EP I have

1:11:11 Speaker 6: coming out. So these are my first original songs that

1:11:13 Speaker 6: I have. Yeah, and so I mostly do covers and

1:11:17 Speaker 6: things like that.

1:11:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, how many originals do you have at this point?

1:11:20 Speaker 1: Would you say? I mean, can you even put a

1:11:22 Speaker 1: number on how many songs you have?

1:11:23 Speaker 6: I have about like six or seven okay, okay? I said,

1:11:27 Speaker 6: I raally just started writing about maybe a year or

1:11:30 Speaker 6: two ago, okay, and moved back into you know, my

1:11:34 Speaker 6: parents and stuff, and yeah, my dad's been helping me

1:11:36 Speaker 6: a lot with you know, the writing, and oh good,

1:11:39 Speaker 6: help me put together the music and things like that.

1:11:42 Speaker 1: What is it that motivated you to want to start writing?

1:11:45 Speaker 6: I'd really just want to get my own music out there.

1:11:47 Speaker 6: I mean, I play, I do all the covers, I

1:11:50 Speaker 6: play live full time, and you know the next step

1:11:54 Speaker 6: is to get onto my own stage. Yeah hopefully you

1:11:56 Speaker 6: know what I mean, and have people come see my music. Yeah,

1:11:59 Speaker 6: yeah exactly, you know, put music out there that you

1:12:02 Speaker 6: know can help people along the way. And yeah, the

1:12:04 Speaker 6: ways that music's held me along the way.

1:12:06 Speaker 1: You know you want to play another one?

1:12:08 Speaker 6: Yeah of course?

1:12:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if you're just joining us, Stephen the Cure

1:12:12 Speaker 1: am I saying it right? Is he is here with

1:12:14 Speaker 1: us in in studio sounding amazing?

1:12:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct, and hear another one?

1:12:19 Speaker 15: Does that?

1:12:19 Speaker 7: Ever?

1:12:19 Speaker 1: Does?

1:12:20 Speaker 31: Uh? I?

1:12:21 Speaker 1: I assume, like, what what's the I'm just curious, what's

1:12:24 Speaker 1: the most unusual, shall we say, pronunciation? You've heard of

1:12:28 Speaker 1: your name?

1:12:31 Speaker 6: I mean I've had, I've had, I've had the queer,

1:12:33 Speaker 6: I've had the choir, I've had, I've felt a lot. Yeah, declare,

1:12:39 Speaker 6: declare mind better?

1:12:41 Speaker 1: How did you say it? I don't remember?

1:12:42 Speaker 4: He is.

1:12:44 Speaker 31: Blue?

1:12:45 Speaker 1: Oh, yes, there you go. That sounds.

1:12:48 Speaker 6: I've had people put a queue in front of it.

1:12:50 Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, yeah, yeah, I can imagine. Sious. What

1:12:55 Speaker 1: are you gonna play for us next?

1:12:56 Speaker 6: I'm gonna do so. I'm actually gonna do a cover

1:12:58 Speaker 6: for you. This is Raylea Montanez empty.

1:13:00 Speaker 32: Nice, nice, shameless, skirt up two knees, walks through the

1:13:37 Speaker 32: garden rooms where the bed feel laugh, never learned to

1:13:45 Speaker 32: come up.

1:13:45 Speaker 30: This sings choosing stair too dwell in mass, walk on

1:13:56 Speaker 30: down the hill through the grasscon in rounds the sardsmounts

1:14:01 Speaker 30: to that go of life. Babe, I'm best busty back

1:14:07 Speaker 30: then holding rusty gotta like that sinks into this fields collecting.

1:14:14 Speaker 29: Ray Willow rays feel this way, so.

1:14:28 Speaker 33: See so Wes Strange.

1:14:42 Speaker 30: Enough these got dog busted sunset, these colding damn biden mornings.

1:14:48 Speaker 7: I used frown field.

1:14:53 Speaker 30: Through market and dusty, I'm still leaves, spoke these words

1:14:57 Speaker 30: down loud, no one here me feel blouse across the chair,

1:15:06 Speaker 30: bid four flowers from your hair and gets me with

1:15:10 Speaker 30: a country mouth sore plain matside the rain and stepping

1:15:17 Speaker 30: on leaves. To me, it sounds like they're blooding us.

1:15:21 Speaker 6: Quite love me.

1:15:25 Speaker 33: Will ways feel this way, soty, So Wess Strange, will

1:15:52 Speaker 33: love looks my team means in the stap in my chair.

1:15:56 Speaker 30: Said to your best to destroy me. You see, I've

1:16:03 Speaker 30: been the helling back so many times. I standing been

1:16:07 Speaker 30: kind of for me. There's a lot of things I

1:16:15 Speaker 30: can give the man. There's a lot of ways to die. Yes,

1:16:18 Speaker 30: since I'm already there to walk side me, and there's

1:16:24 Speaker 30: a whole lot of things. I don't understand why so

1:16:27 Speaker 30: many people lie. Let's not hurt you ifuse the firingside me.

1:16:35 Speaker 33: Willow always feel this way.

1:16:45 Speaker 2: So.

1:16:47 Speaker 33: See, so Wes Strange.

1:17:08 Speaker 1: Steven Dick Currer here with us live in studio that

1:17:11 Speaker 1: was amazing. That was a raal Lemming I can't say

1:17:16 Speaker 1: his name either song. That was gorgeous. Yeah, that was

1:17:21 Speaker 1: really a beautiful light. That was really good. That was

1:17:23 Speaker 1: really good.

1:17:24 Speaker 6: So much.

1:17:25 Speaker 1: Is there anyone that you covered that you found challenging

1:17:27 Speaker 1: to do, like vocally.

1:17:29 Speaker 6: Or Steely Dan Amy Winehouse really yeh Yeah. Vocally they're

1:17:35 Speaker 6: pretty challenging. I mean some of the new Benson Boone

1:17:39 Speaker 6: songs that I've been working on challenging as well.

1:17:42 Speaker 1: Now what is it about so somebody like I'm curious

1:17:44 Speaker 1: that somebody like seely Dan for example, What what is

1:17:46 Speaker 1: it that's that's challenging about that?

1:17:48 Speaker 6: Oh my god. They are such nerds when it comes

1:17:51 Speaker 6: to the musicality of it. Yeah, pronunciation of when when

1:17:55 Speaker 6: you know you're singing. And I mean Michael McDonald didn't

1:17:59 Speaker 6: injury about how when he was recording PEG with Donald

1:18:02 Speaker 6: Fagan and how he was very That's what I'm looking for.

1:18:10 Speaker 6: He wanted it perfectly. He wanted it perfectly every single time.

1:18:12 Speaker 6: So just pronunciation with his words, how he was pronunciating it,

1:18:16 Speaker 6: I was singing it everything. It took him like seventeen

1:18:18 Speaker 6: to eighteen takes. Can do the harmonies on peg or

1:18:21 Speaker 6: whatever he goes. It was one of the hardest things

1:18:22 Speaker 6: I've ever read to do.

1:18:23 Speaker 1: Oh wow wow. Yeah. Is it important to you when

1:18:26 Speaker 1: when you do these covers? Is it important to you

1:18:28 Speaker 1: to sing them as closely as possible to the original?

1:18:31 Speaker 6: I like to bring a justice but also make it

1:18:32 Speaker 6: my own. Yeah, give it my own twist on it

1:18:35 Speaker 6: in a way, so it's not oh hey, he's just

1:18:38 Speaker 6: you know, like the other everybody else the run of

1:18:40 Speaker 6: the mill, right right, Yeah, stand out a little bit.

1:18:43 Speaker 1: So yeah, no doubt, no doubt. What are do you

1:18:46 Speaker 1: have a favorite? Like, do you have a favorite cover

1:18:48 Speaker 1: that you do? Is there one that really kind of

1:18:51 Speaker 1: stands out as something to every show?

1:18:53 Speaker 6: Or I just I went over this, I get this question,

1:18:55 Speaker 6: actually asked a lot. Yeah, it's hard to say. I

1:18:59 Speaker 6: have like almost two hundred songs that I play off

1:19:01 Speaker 6: to on my head, so yeah, it's hard to like

1:19:03 Speaker 6: pick and choose. It's usually ones that like I'm like

1:19:06 Speaker 6: just learning or you know what I mean, just getting

1:19:08 Speaker 6: out there to play. Yeah, as of lately it's been

1:19:11 Speaker 6: Noah Kn's Dial drunk and really enjoying playing that one

1:19:15 Speaker 6: out lately.

1:19:16 Speaker 1: Yeah.

1:19:16 Speaker 6: Yeah, it kind of always fluctuates for me.

1:19:18 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, what's the longest show you've done?

1:19:22 Speaker 2: Oh?

1:19:22 Speaker 6: Man, the longest show I've done. I think was like

1:19:24 Speaker 6: seven and a half hours.

1:19:25 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Okay, tell me about it. Way seven

1:19:28 Speaker 1: and a half hours.

1:19:29 Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a private pool party.

1:19:31 Speaker 1: Because usually when I ask people this question, I'll get like, oh,

1:19:33 Speaker 1: you know we did a five hours like seven and

1:19:35 Speaker 1: a half yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:19:37 Speaker 6: So like I did like a lot of like the

1:19:38 Speaker 6: shows like l Street Tavern last year, and yeah, there

1:19:43 Speaker 6: was a couple of times like that. I had to

1:19:45 Speaker 6: do both of the shows because one of the guys canceled. Yeah,

1:19:49 Speaker 6: so I had to go in there early, play it

1:19:50 Speaker 6: from like three to three thirty to seven thirty, then

1:19:53 Speaker 6: play seven thirty to midnight or wow. Yeah it was

1:19:57 Speaker 6: it's rough. It's rough.

1:19:58 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but why we do it?

1:20:00 Speaker 6: You know what I mean?

1:20:01 Speaker 1: When you do something like that? Do you do anything

1:20:02 Speaker 1: special for your voice too?

1:20:04 Speaker 6: I really just drink tea and lemons. That's really all

1:20:07 Speaker 6: I do. Especially I didn't drink any today. I was

1:20:09 Speaker 6: running late this night.

1:20:10 Speaker 1: Oh you sound great, You sound great, and yeah, but

1:20:14 Speaker 1: pretty unusual to sing this early, probably right, it is

1:20:18 Speaker 1: for me.

1:20:18 Speaker 6: Usually usually I'm waking up at like three really yeah, yeah,

1:20:22 Speaker 6: getting ready to go to work at six.

1:20:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, there you go, yep. So and

1:20:28 Speaker 1: as far as playing, I mean, obviously with what you do,

1:20:31 Speaker 1: you're able to play. You know, you can play just

1:20:33 Speaker 1: about anywhere, but just about like do you get out

1:20:36 Speaker 1: of do you get out of New England much?

1:20:38 Speaker 6: Or do you kind of stick to I Actually I

1:20:40 Speaker 6: haven't played. I play in Massachusetts a lot. Yeah, do

1:20:43 Speaker 6: like Brownies Pub. I usually do Muddy Waters where's that

1:20:51 Speaker 6: that's in Methune as well. Oh okay, yep, and then

1:20:54 Speaker 6: a few other places that I've played, But other than that,

1:20:57 Speaker 6: I usually stay in New Hampshire.

1:20:59 Speaker 1: No kidding, Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, I mean it's remarkable

1:21:02 Speaker 1: with you do a lot of breweries. I assume I

1:21:04 Speaker 1: do a lot of breweries.

1:21:05 Speaker 9: I do.

1:21:05 Speaker 6: So I work with not so costly productions. Oh excellent, Dmitri.

1:21:09 Speaker 1: No wonder you're so busy? Yeah yeah, yeah, they do

1:21:12 Speaker 1: a great job.

1:21:12 Speaker 6: Yeah, so I work with them. I've been working with

1:21:14 Speaker 6: Paul Costley and dmitriy for over god probably about eight

1:21:20 Speaker 6: years now, no kidding, Yeah, I'm working with them for

1:21:22 Speaker 6: a long time.

1:21:22 Speaker 1: Outstanding.

1:21:23 Speaker 6: Yeah, They've been nothing but good to me, and they

1:21:25 Speaker 6: helped me out with shows and you know, and I

1:21:28 Speaker 6: booked myself as well and some other people or whatever

1:21:31 Speaker 6: that I know through the industry.

1:21:32 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it keeps me busy. Yeah no, that's fantastic.

1:21:35 Speaker 6: Out of trouble Yeah yeah, yeah.

1:21:38 Speaker 1: Do you want to play another one for us?

1:21:40 Speaker 5: Yeah?

1:21:40 Speaker 1: Of course, trying to hear you play another one selfishly

1:21:43 Speaker 1: if you're just joining us. We have Steven to cure

1:21:45 Speaker 1: here and he sounds sounds amazing. Yeah, level up on

1:21:51 Speaker 1: that guitar.

1:21:53 Speaker 6: What would you like to hear another cover?

1:21:55 Speaker 1: I'm going to leave that up to you. I'll leave

1:21:58 Speaker 1: that totally up to you.

1:22:00 Speaker 6: Let's do another original, all right? So this is this

1:22:05 Speaker 6: is the first single that I released off the EP,

1:22:08 Speaker 6: and I got it released on ninety two point five

1:22:10 Speaker 6: The River in Boston.

1:22:11 Speaker 1: Oh congratulations.

1:22:12 Speaker 6: Yeah. I was very excited about that. And it's called

1:22:14 Speaker 6: Towards the Sun Goes.

1:22:15 Speaker 1: I guess all right.

1:22:41 Speaker 15: It was so fil.

1:22:47 Speaker 3: We talked for was.

1:22:50 Speaker 12: Seeing nothing knows.

1:22:57 Speaker 30: Indo those stocks ready y Zack in bound things, sweet felt,

1:23:18 Speaker 30: sitting in on nacking sheep ship and stand from a

1:23:30 Speaker 30: cool glass shop. Zag wanna open towards the Sun. Sag

1:23:49 Speaker 30: wanna open bottom feron in live free time that we

1:24:17 Speaker 30: fall in not shoot a hand new car, You talk

1:24:34 Speaker 30: full Stan Street two mouthins nine at nine another slap

1:24:47 Speaker 30: in the face, and now we stand Mabie in your places.

1:25:00 Speaker 3: M h.

1:25:04 Speaker 12: I said he's a lone write his song in pain.

1:25:14 Speaker 30: Because I gown wanna oh bun it's sorts his son.

1:25:24 Speaker 12: Cauz I gown wanna open bottom fun.

1:25:34 Speaker 30: Cause I gown wanna old bye sordes son cauz I

1:25:45 Speaker 30: gown wanna open it's sorts of sound. H that gown

1:26:15 Speaker 30: wanna old bun swords of sun? Can that gown wanna

1:26:26 Speaker 30: old bun bowsome fun? Is that own wanna old bye

1:26:38 Speaker 30: sorts of sonnz gown wanna old.

1:26:47 Speaker 28: Bun sorts of sun.

1:26:54 Speaker 1: Towards the Sun? By Stephen Dick here Live in Studio. Fantastic, fantastic.

1:27:01 Speaker 2: What do you?

1:27:01 Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like your songs are pretty upbeat,

1:27:05 Speaker 1: Like what do you What do you like to write about?

1:27:07 Speaker 6: You know, I really like to write about, you know,

1:27:10 Speaker 6: things that people can relate to. Yeah, and they can

1:27:13 Speaker 6: you know, take from their own lives and you know,

1:27:16 Speaker 6: either use it to help them with whatever they have

1:27:18 Speaker 6: going on. I mean towards the sun for instances essentially

1:27:23 Speaker 6: about you know, no matter where you are in your

1:27:24 Speaker 6: life you're happy, down, sad, you know, depressed, whatever it is,

1:27:29 Speaker 6: there's always you know, look one eye towards the song.

1:27:31 Speaker 6: There's always something better. No matter where you are, if

1:27:33 Speaker 6: you're in a good spot, you can always be doing better. Yeah,

1:27:36 Speaker 6: you know what I mean. Just try and stay positive.

1:27:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, very good.

1:27:40 Speaker 6: Try and send out a positive vibe.

1:27:42 Speaker 1: I just noticed your shirt too. I didn't notice it first.

1:27:44 Speaker 1: Annie DiFranco. Yeah, I met her probably she Oh my god,

1:27:48 Speaker 1: it's more than twenty years ago now. She was playing

1:27:50 Speaker 1: at a show in Providence, okay, And at the time,

1:27:53 Speaker 1: I was working for a promoter, Joe Fletcher, who's he's

1:27:55 Speaker 1: not here. He's on the West Coast now, but he

1:27:57 Speaker 1: used to he used to have big world productions here

1:27:59 Speaker 1: in New Hamp'm sure, and so he was he was

1:28:02 Speaker 1: putting on shows around New England and he did a

1:28:04 Speaker 1: bunch of shows with her. But yeah, that's that's how

1:28:06 Speaker 1: I met her. And yeah, she was fantastic.

1:28:09 Speaker 6: She's absolutely incredible. So I just went and saw her

1:28:13 Speaker 6: first time I've ever seen her. I used to watch

1:28:14 Speaker 6: her show videos all the time. My mom got me

1:28:17 Speaker 6: into her. Yeah, I had front row seats with her,

1:28:20 Speaker 6: and I called out. I yelled out, shame play, shameless

1:28:24 Speaker 6: her whatever. And it happened to be the last song

1:28:27 Speaker 6: that she was going to.

1:28:27 Speaker 7: Play that night.

1:28:28 Speaker 1: Oh wow, she goes, Oh, you got lucky.

1:28:29 Speaker 6: I have I have a video of it. She handed

1:28:31 Speaker 6: me the set list. Oh okay, Yeah, it was really cool.

1:28:33 Speaker 1: Oh, very nice.

1:28:34 Speaker 6: Definitely awesome. She's incredible. Yeah, my favorites.

1:28:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. Was that recent or very recent?

1:28:40 Speaker 6: It was at the oh she's it was? It was

1:28:43 Speaker 6: in April nineteenth, Yeah, April nineteenth, I believe it was.

1:28:47 Speaker 1: Okay, where did you see her.

1:28:50 Speaker 6: In Summerville? Summerville was a Summerville theater.

1:28:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I haven't. I haven't kept up with her unfortunately,

1:28:55 Speaker 1: so but I assume she's still putting out. Uh she

1:28:58 Speaker 1: still her labeled you know, Righteous Babe? Is that still?

1:29:01 Speaker 6: Yeah? Register Records?

1:29:02 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's one of the cool things

1:29:04 Speaker 1: about her too, is you know, not only h did

1:29:07 Speaker 1: I always love her music? But I shouldn't say past

1:29:10 Speaker 1: tense because she's obviously still active. But but I always

1:29:14 Speaker 1: thought it was cool that, you know, she she started

1:29:17 Speaker 1: her own label. She started that indie label at a

1:29:19 Speaker 1: time where like, like today it's not even a big deal,

1:29:22 Speaker 1: right because of the Internet, anybody can can start a

1:29:25 Speaker 1: lay quote, right, but she but she did it at

1:29:29 Speaker 1: a time when it was unusual, and you know, I

1:29:33 Speaker 1: I know she's talked in interviews about how, you know,

1:29:35 Speaker 1: she faced a lot of headwinds doing that. People didn't

1:29:38 Speaker 1: necessarily believe in her, give her a chance.

1:29:40 Speaker 6: They were like, I think, uh, she's done a lot

1:29:42 Speaker 6: for the women of the you know.

1:29:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh totally absolutely, Yeah, yeah, because I remember one

1:29:48 Speaker 1: interview I read with her, she was saying, like, you know,

1:29:49 Speaker 1: people just looked at her like, who is this chick

1:29:52 Speaker 1: who thinks she can do this? You know, But but

1:29:54 Speaker 1: she was determined to do it, and she did it.

1:29:56 Speaker 6: Give somebody an opportunity, if they have the drive in

1:29:58 Speaker 6: the hunger, they'll they'll make it happened.

1:30:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one who So obviously she's a big inspiration

1:30:05 Speaker 1: to you.

1:30:06 Speaker 6: Yeah, very big inspiration.

1:30:08 Speaker 1: Like who else? Who else?

1:30:09 Speaker 6: You gotta throw the Beatles in there, Yeah, the Beatles

1:30:12 Speaker 6: are number one for me.

1:30:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, huge.

1:30:14 Speaker 6: Jim Crochey fan. Are you huge Jim Croach fan? I

1:30:17 Speaker 6: just saw his son play Croachy plays Croachy.

1:30:20 Speaker 1: Oh no, kid, see, I didn't even know that was

1:30:22 Speaker 1: the thing.

1:30:22 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he does it it too.

1:30:24 Speaker 1: What's the son's name? Oh interesting, looks.

1:30:28 Speaker 6: Just like it said. Oh yeah yeah. So I saw him.

1:30:32 Speaker 6: My front row tickets to that one too. My friend

1:30:34 Speaker 6: Liz also Scott does for me. Oh excellent, very nice

1:30:37 Speaker 6: to her, very nice her. Yeah, And so I met

1:30:39 Speaker 6: him after the show. Okay, talked to him. I always

1:30:42 Speaker 6: open up every show I usually do with h don't

1:30:44 Speaker 6: mess around with Jim.

1:30:45 Speaker 1: Oh really yeah.

1:30:46 Speaker 6: My dad always laughs at me for it. He's like,

1:30:47 Speaker 6: you gonna open up a tool mess around with. So

1:30:50 Speaker 6: I met him and talked to him for a few minutes,

1:30:53 Speaker 6: showed him my tattoo as much as dad.

1:30:56 Speaker 2: You know.

1:30:56 Speaker 6: It was a big inspiration to me, and I'm glad

1:30:58 Speaker 6: that he's carrying on his legacy.

1:31:00 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, that's extremely cool. That's extremely cool. Yeah.

1:31:03 Speaker 6: So you know the Croaches, Steely, Dan Simon and Garfunk Cole. Yep,

1:31:08 Speaker 6: I'm an old soul. Yeah, I really like the old school,

1:31:11 Speaker 6: the classics. Yeah, the music that lives on you know. Sure,

1:31:14 Speaker 6: that's meaning you know what I mean? Yeah, you can

1:31:15 Speaker 6: still relate to it nowadays.

1:31:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely. Do you want to play? Do

1:31:21 Speaker 1: you want to play one more? We have time to play.

1:31:23 Speaker 1: We'll play one more live on you if you're just

1:31:25 Speaker 1: joining us. Stephen dea curis here with us live in

1:31:27 Speaker 1: studio on this a Saturday morning, singing much earlier in

1:31:31 Speaker 1: the day that he's used to. But he sounds he

1:31:32 Speaker 1: sounds great.

1:31:35 Speaker 6: We'll try this one out.

1:31:36 Speaker 1: This is a cover, right, something's uh that's doing that

1:31:47 Speaker 1: chord might have been loose. Yeah, try that again. It's

1:31:50 Speaker 1: it's almost like I wonder if your arm was hitting

1:31:53 Speaker 1: the chord going into the guitar, it might have been

1:31:56 Speaker 1: what it was I was hearing. Yeah, I was hearing

1:31:59 Speaker 1: some thing like, uh, yeah, that's much better. Yeah cool.

1:32:09 Speaker 6: So goes like this.

1:32:12 Speaker 34: Miracle from the stupagat, you know, but it's raining from

1:32:19 Speaker 34: corn and John my Beds surrounding your perspective of screen

1:32:28 Speaker 34: seeking before.

1:32:31 Speaker 12: My audience. Still my happy man.

1:32:35 Speaker 7: I used to be.

1:32:37 Speaker 12: Doubting, I forget about it whatever, And it's all.

1:32:44 Speaker 30: The same many ways, And I eat back for too.

1:32:52 Speaker 30: Bunch that thrown.

1:32:55 Speaker 12: In the name of someone long and no four, she

1:33:00 Speaker 12: will be he young, junking alone, drap dancing his shins,

1:33:06 Speaker 12: being a radio. And now I don't knock you in,

1:33:10 Speaker 12: they do me in the corn heck, even name is

1:33:15 Speaker 12: my emergency phone call, honey, ringing.

1:33:19 Speaker 30: Ring, Even the cops ATCHI rover rainder and now time

1:33:25 Speaker 30: chunk outside chunk outside you.

1:33:30 Speaker 12: Montio and from pots to me and recognize from charming

1:33:37 Speaker 12: too alarming.

1:33:38 Speaker 30: In seconds, I'll be betrid and I met the pain matastasize,

1:33:45 Speaker 30: But next morning I'll forget it.

1:33:49 Speaker 3: In the time, it's all all all.

1:33:59 Speaker 12: And now you've all the punches that a throne win

1:34:04 Speaker 12: the name on someone now a long and nor for

1:34:09 Speaker 12: sheam w being young, junking alone, traffic lancing. This trends

1:34:15 Speaker 12: me in a radio. Now don't knock you in. They

1:34:20 Speaker 12: do me in the corner. I gave your name is.

1:34:24 Speaker 30: My emergency phone call, honey, ringing ring, even the cops

1:34:30 Speaker 30: that you over ringdow and now time chunk got time

1:34:35 Speaker 30: chunk out, time for.

1:34:37 Speaker 3: You and no time for you.

1:34:46 Speaker 30: Now big you surge, you stay in the car, lookive

1:34:49 Speaker 30: for you my blood alcohol all run on with the

1:34:52 Speaker 30: pronouncing self, and I'll change my feet up, pre it's

1:34:57 Speaker 30: a flag. This sweet a switch of come bag. Some

1:35:00 Speaker 30: of you danger to yourself. Help sir, just stay in

1:35:06 Speaker 30: the car to give you my food. I pulled our

1:35:09 Speaker 30: ride on with the announcing self and I've changed my

1:35:14 Speaker 30: faith out kiss the bads. It's sweet as fish.

1:35:17 Speaker 12: You call me bad? Somebody?

1:35:19 Speaker 28: Do you do this to yourself?

1:35:22 Speaker 12: And I said, and now ain't proud? Four two punches

1:35:26 Speaker 12: down the throne, win the name of someone now no

1:35:31 Speaker 12: longer know.

1:35:34 Speaker 30: For the shame of being young, junking alone, drave the

1:35:39 Speaker 30: lights in the strains the radio.

1:35:43 Speaker 12: And now I don't like you any to do me

1:35:46 Speaker 12: in the car.

1:35:48 Speaker 30: I gave your name is my emergency phone, Cale running

1:35:53 Speaker 30: rang and ring eving the cops that you over ringing

1:35:58 Speaker 30: now telling drunk home time.

1:36:00 Speaker 9: N you.

1:36:04 Speaker 1: Mmm, gorgeous, gorgeous, just gorgeous. Thank you, absolutely very nice,

1:36:13 Speaker 1: very nice. Stephen Deakira here with us live in studio,

1:36:18 Speaker 1: sounding amazing. We should remind people so so the do

1:36:22 Speaker 1: you know when the EP is going to be out?

1:36:24 Speaker 6: So I'm hoping the EP is going to be this July.

1:36:26 Speaker 6: That's what I'm hoping for. I go back into the

1:36:28 Speaker 6: studio on Father's Day, finish up the last song on there,

1:36:33 Speaker 6: and then I just want to add some finishing touches

1:36:35 Speaker 6: and make some mass of it, and yeah, get it

1:36:37 Speaker 6: out to the people. Man, it'll be a nice big

1:36:40 Speaker 6: weight off my shoulders.

1:36:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt about that.

1:36:43 Speaker 9: Huh.

1:36:44 Speaker 1: Very cool. And then where are you playing this weekend?

1:36:46 Speaker 1: Do you have anything to plug this weekend?

1:36:48 Speaker 6: Tonight I'll be York Beach, York, Maine end the York

1:36:52 Speaker 6: Beach in and then I'll be doing that from seven

1:36:54 Speaker 6: to ten pm.

1:36:55 Speaker 1: Okay.

1:36:55 Speaker 6: Then tomorrow afternoon I will be at the Portsmouth Gaslight

1:36:59 Speaker 6: Deck two to five pm.

1:37:00 Speaker 1: Okay, very good.

1:37:01 Speaker 6: Yeah, and then I have like a couple of days

1:37:03 Speaker 6: off and then back at it again.

1:37:05 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:37:07 Speaker 1: Sweet uh. And where is the best place to go

1:37:09 Speaker 1: online for people to keep this book?

1:37:11 Speaker 6: Is the best place to go online? And check me

1:37:12 Speaker 6: out Stephen d Kere. You can add my main profile page.

1:37:16 Speaker 6: You can add my music page of just Stephen de

1:37:18 Speaker 6: Cure music.

1:37:20 Speaker 1: We should probably tell people how to spell your name too.

1:37:22 Speaker 6: Yes, it's s T E p h e N. My

1:37:27 Speaker 6: last name is d E c U I r E yes. Yes,

1:37:31 Speaker 6: and you pronounce it d.

1:37:32 Speaker 1: Q d c yes. Excellent. Outstanding outstanding, I think. Uh so,

1:37:37 Speaker 1: another studio track that you sent us is this Quiet Moments.

1:37:40 Speaker 1: Yes that you didn't play this one.

1:37:41 Speaker 6: Right, I played that. That was the first one I played.

1:37:43 Speaker 1: Well, that was the first one you played. Maybe we

1:37:45 Speaker 1: should maybe we should replay the one we opened with

1:37:48 Speaker 1: the subscrict where yeah, well that's okay. Actually, now we'll

1:37:52 Speaker 1: let people hear the studio version of Quiet Moments. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1:37:56 Speaker 1: maybe I'll play the other one again afterwards, though, because

1:37:58 Speaker 1: I really like that. Everybody's changing that. I really like

1:38:00 Speaker 1: that one a lot.

1:38:01 Speaker 2: Thank you.

1:38:01 Speaker 1: That's excellent, outstanding, outstanding. So if you are listening live,

1:38:05 Speaker 1: by the way, is Katie here? She is in the

1:38:07 Speaker 1: billion Katie Dobbins is coming up in the third hour,

1:38:09 Speaker 1: so it'll be nice to see her and I get

1:38:11 Speaker 1: to hear her. And did she bring her guitar? Good? Okay,

1:38:17 Speaker 1: And we will close out this segment with this. This

1:38:20 Speaker 1: is called Quiet Moments. Stephen de Cure again, thank you

1:38:23 Speaker 1: so much.

1:38:24 Speaker 6: Thank you so much.

1:38:48 Speaker 35: Quiet Oh I was writing by fan and san.

1:39:11 Speaker 11: Fill these pages.

1:39:14 Speaker 35: With a Starries Rangel your way.

1:39:26 Speaker 15: Sing for me.

1:39:33 Speaker 30: Looking out my window as the sun reads the day,

1:39:39 Speaker 30: birds of singing playing tree to tree.

1:39:45 Speaker 23: Writing songs come Sweetz's writing by bes Beony.

1:40:10 Speaker 4: Play the skids a day until night, Create that by high.

1:40:25 Speaker 36: I know you lie.

1:40:33 Speaker 11: Fill these pages.

1:40:36 Speaker 35: With joy boat store horis.

1:40:44 Speaker 29: Arranging your way.

1:40:48 Speaker 35: Sing for me.

1:40:55 Speaker 11: Looking out my window.

1:40:57 Speaker 7: Is the cloudscoover of the day.

1:41:01 Speaker 12: Wind is going wring his song Nance Way.

1:41:07 Speaker 35: Writing songs come sweet.

1:41:12 Speaker 7: So writing by me, s.

1:41:14 Speaker 25: Beard quiet moments, old house is empty.

1:42:10 Speaker 15: No once on.

1:42:17 Speaker 11: Fill these pages.

1:42:21 Speaker 35: With long storhurries.

1:42:29 Speaker 7: Range of your home.

1:42:30 Speaker 22: Way, sing for me, sit in her hair in this

1:43:44 Speaker 22: chair thing again, want the wear hair.

1:43:56 Speaker 7: This world school socks of fool, horror.

1:44:10 Speaker 24: All the round, watch these buildings, grumbo to the raha.

1:44:31 Speaker 7: Ship back on these change and to them mon it's

1:44:39 Speaker 7: not the.

1:44:47 Speaker 10: Change, wady green Way, witty witty.

1:45:09 Speaker 7: See this he.

1:45:12 Speaker 23: Spreading through the crowd, affording boots.

1:45:25 Speaker 7: Are a long boom.

1:45:28 Speaker 11: No two parties sayst.

1:45:38 Speaker 7: Designed to them by friends and family. For she on Shi.

1:46:00 Speaker 10: Sybody, change.

1:46:13 Speaker 3: The eldest the change, very whitingly way. When we go.

1:47:15 Speaker 23: Balla tes shunts holding all those strings, we'll.

1:47:28 Speaker 35: Just ball bits in this bullet go rain.

1:47:40 Speaker 27: Lead with your hall. Heart loves well at all big games.

1:47:53 Speaker 27: Let's stand to gather and learn to love fuck.

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1:55:42 Speaker 13: You're this a loud.

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1:56:22 Speaker 7: I'm runny.

1:56:24 Speaker 26: I'm runny, I'm runny.

1:56:31 Speaker 3: I'm running, I'm running. I'm running. I'm running. I'm running.

1:56:43 Speaker 26: Because your love is wild.

1:56:51 Speaker 1: That is wild by Katie Dobbins. Katie is with us

1:56:54 Speaker 1: and we're gonna be talking with her in just a

1:56:56 Speaker 1: moment as she makes a return to the show. If

1:56:59 Speaker 1: you are just joining us, of course, on this Saturday morning,

1:57:02 Speaker 1: it is Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from

1:57:05 Speaker 1: the studios of WMNH ninety five point three FM. We

1:57:08 Speaker 1: have entered our number three on this June seven, twenty

1:57:13 Speaker 1: twenty five. Jenny is here, of course, at the news table.

1:57:16 Speaker 39: Presence on account of four my gosh, it's her voice.

1:57:19 Speaker 3: Amazing.

1:57:19 Speaker 29: Yes.

1:57:20 Speaker 1: Yes, By the way, I want to make sure we

1:57:22 Speaker 1: don't forget you had someone you wanted to shout out

1:57:25 Speaker 1: this morning.

1:57:26 Speaker 14: Not a someone my good nephew.

1:57:29 Speaker 39: No, today is an important day and that the Reflex

1:57:33 Speaker 39: Sympathetic District Ye Association is having an it's sixth annual

1:57:37 Speaker 39: Virtual CRPS Awareness Walk. You can look it up online.

1:57:42 Speaker 39: It's on Facebook, It's all over the place. The RCSA

1:57:45 Speaker 39: organization is the one that I love to support because

1:57:47 Speaker 39: they raise awareness and help support efforts to find treatments

1:57:51 Speaker 39: and cures for CRPS Complex regional pain syndrome so formerly

1:57:56 Speaker 39: known as reflect sympathetic distrophe.

1:57:58 Speaker 31: Don't you love when they just changed the names of things.

1:58:01 Speaker 1: Well, that's a someone, it's an association, but that's many something.

1:58:06 Speaker 31: Someone is a singular, yeah, not a not a plural.

1:58:09 Speaker 1: No goodness, Oh my goodness. I can't do it. So

1:58:13 Speaker 1: where where should people go to find out?

1:58:15 Speaker 2: Uh?

1:58:15 Speaker 1: So information?

1:58:17 Speaker 9: Ah?

1:58:18 Speaker 1: Is that so that's happening today?

1:58:20 Speaker 28: Yes, it's a.

1:58:21 Speaker 39: Virtual all across the country, actually around the world. I

1:58:26 Speaker 39: thought you were going to bring this up at the end.

1:58:28 Speaker 1: Oh, we'll mention it. We'll mention it again at the

1:58:30 Speaker 1: end too, But yeah, I just didn't want to forget.

1:58:32 Speaker 14: Yeah, well I'll give more info later.

1:58:35 Speaker 1: Okay, Oh very good, very good. And uh let's see,

1:58:37 Speaker 1: so Katie is here, let me get that make up, Katie.

1:58:40 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show.

1:58:42 Speaker 14: Hi, thanks, thanks for having me.

1:58:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked, Uh so we did talk a little bit.

1:58:47 Speaker 1: It was a couple of months. It was still during

1:58:49 Speaker 1: the winter or was the end of winter. It was

1:58:51 Speaker 1: like it was like it was like we thought winter

1:58:55 Speaker 1: was over and then woke up one morning to a

1:58:58 Speaker 1: winter wonderland that was wild. Yeah, that was that was

1:59:03 Speaker 1: so traveling was a bit difficult, but you did call in,

1:59:07 Speaker 1: so that was great. But it's great to see you

1:59:08 Speaker 1: in person. And the last time I saw you in

1:59:09 Speaker 1: person was of course on Rob as a Vetos show

1:59:11 Speaker 1: granted State of Mind, So that was a lot of fun.

1:59:14 Speaker 1: But welcome back. Thanks, And I know we talked about

1:59:17 Speaker 1: it on Rob show. But that song wild, that's you know,

1:59:19 Speaker 1: it's different for you, different than can you tell us

1:59:23 Speaker 1: again the story of how that came together in the

1:59:25 Speaker 1: studio for people who might maybe not have heard us

1:59:27 Speaker 1: talking about it before.

1:59:28 Speaker 14: Yeah, it was really cool because I was doing a

1:59:30 Speaker 14: collection of songs at Rockinghorse Studio and I went in

1:59:34 Speaker 14: one day just to lay the piano tracks because all

1:59:37 Speaker 14: three songs that I had chosen were piano based songs

1:59:40 Speaker 14: that I had written on that instrument, and so I

1:59:43 Speaker 14: laid the three songs and then I was like, you know,

1:59:45 Speaker 14: I do have another piano song that I could throw

1:59:48 Speaker 14: in here, but it was kind of a last minute

1:59:50 Speaker 14: let's try it. Let me just record the piano and

1:59:53 Speaker 14: let you guys hear it, and if down the road

1:59:55 Speaker 14: you feel it and we want to add anything to it,

1:59:57 Speaker 14: we will. And so I kind of it on a whim. Again,

2:00:01 Speaker 14: I had only been planning on doing three singles, and

2:00:04 Speaker 14: the guys in the studio they loved it, and I wasn't.

2:00:08 Speaker 14: I hadn't gone in with any idea of production or anything,

2:00:11 Speaker 14: so again wasn't planning on recording it. And so because

2:00:15 Speaker 14: of that, we had a lot of freedom to just

2:00:16 Speaker 14: try stuff, and the production ended up coming out really

2:00:20 Speaker 14: unique and different than anything I've done. So it was

2:00:23 Speaker 14: an exciting process and really fun. And my dad's actually

2:00:26 Speaker 14: on that track too. He did a speaking part that's

2:00:28 Speaker 14: kind of embedded in there, which is pretty neat.

2:00:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you approached him with that, what did he like?

2:00:35 Speaker 1: How did he react?

2:00:36 Speaker 29: A first?

2:00:36 Speaker 1: Was he was he into it? Was he skeptical? Was

2:00:38 Speaker 1: he like, what you want me to do?

2:00:39 Speaker 14: What I think he was like so excited, but he

2:00:43 Speaker 14: was also nervous, so both.

2:00:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, it came out great. Do you usually

2:00:51 Speaker 1: write on the piano. You mentioned the three tracks he recorded,

2:00:53 Speaker 1: there were all songs he wrote on the piano.

2:00:55 Speaker 14: I've been writing more on the piano. But a piano

2:00:58 Speaker 14: was actually my first instrument when I was younger. But

2:01:01 Speaker 14: I was I learned classically, so I was, you know,

2:01:04 Speaker 14: classically trained kind of, and so it took me a

2:01:08 Speaker 14: while to realize, oh, I could write on piano just

2:01:11 Speaker 14: like I write on guitar, because you know, you've heard

2:01:13 Speaker 14: guitar all you need is three chords in the truth.

2:01:16 Speaker 14: So once I learned three chords on guitar, it was like,

2:01:18 Speaker 14: oh my gosh, I was writing all these songs. I

2:01:19 Speaker 14: was in eighth grade, and I was just like, oh,

2:01:21 Speaker 14: I'm writing about my life. This is awesome. But it

2:01:24 Speaker 14: wasn't until much later that I kind of challenged myself

2:01:27 Speaker 14: to think, wait, I think I could create stuff on

2:01:30 Speaker 14: the piano as well. So yeah, I do. I do both.

2:01:33 Speaker 14: And sometimes I don't write on an instrument at all.

2:01:35 Speaker 14: I just I lyrics and melody comes first, and I

2:01:39 Speaker 14: do I'll write like a whole song with no instrument

2:01:42 Speaker 14: and then add things later.

2:01:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard a lot of a lot of instructors

2:01:46 Speaker 1: say that it's it's a good idea to learn at

2:01:50 Speaker 1: least no matter what instrument you're playing, to learn at

2:01:52 Speaker 1: least some basic keyboarding because it will help you with

2:01:55 Speaker 1: everything else, which, sadly I never bothered to do. I

2:01:58 Speaker 1: had to. I had one of those old, cheap cassio

2:02:01 Speaker 1: keyboards growing up, but I never really learned to play it.

2:02:03 Speaker 1: But yeah, but what do you play anything else? You

2:02:07 Speaker 1: play guitar, you play piano? Do you play anything else?

2:02:09 Speaker 14: Or every now and then, if someone lets me, I'll

2:02:13 Speaker 14: play khone really yeah, yeah, like on one of their

2:02:17 Speaker 14: songs or something. But just I don't. I haven't done

2:02:20 Speaker 14: anything technical with it. I have my dad has a

2:02:23 Speaker 14: bass guitar that he was learning how to play, and

2:02:26 Speaker 14: I've picked that up a couple of times and fiddled

2:02:28 Speaker 14: around with it. It's an instrument i'd like to learn.

2:02:30 Speaker 14: I just haven't dedicated enough time to it.

2:02:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can pick it up quick. I mean, if

2:02:35 Speaker 1: you're already played guitar, you can pick up the bass

2:02:36 Speaker 1: pretty quick.

2:02:37 Speaker 14: Yeah, It's it makes sense because it's frets and I

2:02:40 Speaker 14: tried to learn violin when I was younger, and I

2:02:42 Speaker 14: also attempted the saxophone both. I thought I was doing

2:02:46 Speaker 14: pretty good, but I think my family didn't agree.

2:02:50 Speaker 1: Right, right, Saxophone's loud instrument.

2:02:54 Speaker 14: Ye, no, they're so super supportive, but I think there

2:02:57 Speaker 14: are some instruments that, like, if it's not coming quickly

2:03:00 Speaker 14: and naturally, might be more painful to listen to.

2:03:02 Speaker 1: Them, right, No, that makes sense, That makes sense. Yeah, yeah,

2:03:06 Speaker 1: but I.

2:03:06 Speaker 14: Love the violin. I wish that I had fully learned

2:03:09 Speaker 14: it because it's just so beautiful.

2:03:11 Speaker 7: Yeah.

2:03:11 Speaker 17: Yeah.

2:03:12 Speaker 1: Now, do you have a busy summer or are you

2:03:13 Speaker 1: playing a lot? I would imagine you're playing out there.

2:03:15 Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, And I have some things I'm excited about.

2:03:18 Speaker 14: I I record with other instrumentalists and singers, like most

2:03:24 Speaker 14: of my music is recorded with a band and kind

2:03:26 Speaker 14: of bringing out that fuller production. But normally when I perform,

2:03:31 Speaker 14: I'm pretty much always solo. I haven't really done band

2:03:34 Speaker 14: shows since, you know, my different album release shows that

2:03:38 Speaker 14: I did years ago, and a couple other kind of

2:03:41 Speaker 14: special things. But this summer I have a full band

2:03:44 Speaker 14: show coming up at Bank in New Hampshire Pavilion on

2:03:46 Speaker 14: their side stage.

2:03:47 Speaker 1: Oh wow, So that'll be.

2:03:49 Speaker 14: Fun to bring the fullness back together again and perform

2:03:53 Speaker 14: with other people. And then I don't know if you

2:03:55 Speaker 14: know Chris Noise. He's a bass player. He played on

2:03:58 Speaker 14: these new singles.

2:03:59 Speaker 1: On and I don't think I know Chris. Is he

2:04:02 Speaker 1: related to Ron Noise? I don't know, because Ron Ron's

2:04:05 Speaker 1: a musician. I wonder if they're related. No, No, I

2:04:08 Speaker 1: don't think I know Chris.

2:04:09 Speaker 14: So he played bass on some of my studio tracks

2:04:12 Speaker 14: and he's playing with me up in Portsmouth at the

2:04:15 Speaker 14: Tuesdays on the terrace at Strawberry Bank Museum.

2:04:17 Speaker 1: Oh cool.

2:04:18 Speaker 14: So we've got that and a couple other kind of

2:04:20 Speaker 14: fun outdoor summer shows where I'm playing with him and

2:04:23 Speaker 14: another guy on drums. So it'll be fun to play

2:04:27 Speaker 14: with other people again and bring the songs to life

2:04:30 Speaker 14: in a different way.

2:04:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it doesn't sound like you have any any

2:04:33 Speaker 1: interest in doing like a permanent full band.

2:04:36 Speaker 14: We'll see see where things go. I'm never Before we

2:04:40 Speaker 14: went live on air, you guys were saying, like we

2:04:43 Speaker 14: go with the flow, like we're not really married to anything.

2:04:45 Speaker 14: That's kind of how I feel. I don't know, I

2:04:48 Speaker 14: have I have hopes, but I don't have like necessarily

2:04:52 Speaker 14: set in stone expectations that I want or don't want.

2:04:55 Speaker 14: So if it, if it came together naturally and it

2:04:58 Speaker 14: was like really fun and everybody holy jibed, I could

2:05:01 Speaker 14: see doing.

2:05:01 Speaker 1: More of it for sure. Yeah, no, that makes sense.

2:05:04 Speaker 1: And are you still are you still just putting out

2:05:06 Speaker 1: singles or do you have an EP or I don't.

2:05:09 Speaker 14: I was just shy of an EP when I recorded

2:05:11 Speaker 14: my four songs, Okay, I mean I suppose I could

2:05:14 Speaker 14: have turned it into a collection. I've thought about adding

2:05:17 Speaker 14: some songs and making it a full collection. I'm not

2:05:20 Speaker 14: there yet. I haven't. I actually have one kind of

2:05:24 Speaker 14: wintery song, not to bring snow back up, but I

2:05:30 Speaker 14: have one song that I'm working on recording. It's kind

2:05:34 Speaker 14: of a mix of I recorded some of it at

2:05:36 Speaker 14: home and some of it at Mike Moran's home studio.

2:05:40 Speaker 14: He is a drummer and a bass player and a guitarist,

2:05:42 Speaker 14: and we've played together a lot in the past, and

2:05:45 Speaker 14: we have some stuff coming up this summer, so we've

2:05:47 Speaker 14: been working on product producing that song together. So and

2:05:51 Speaker 14: then I have some other ideas, but nothing no like

2:05:55 Speaker 14: exciting release dates to share.

2:05:57 Speaker 1: Right now, You've worked with a number of different right,

2:06:00 Speaker 1: it seems like you've.

2:06:01 Speaker 14: Yeah, every project has been totally different. First record I

2:06:06 Speaker 14: recorded in New Hampshire with Ryan Ordway and yeah, yeah,

2:06:11 Speaker 14: and that was really fun. And then my second record

2:06:14 Speaker 14: I recorded on the South Shore in mass with Sean McLoughlin.

2:06:18 Speaker 14: And then this last collection I did with Brian Coombs

2:06:21 Speaker 14: at Rocking Horror Studios in Pittsfield, and then I've done

2:06:24 Speaker 14: a little bit tried to do a little bit of

2:06:26 Speaker 14: home recording too and kind of feeling that out. But

2:06:28 Speaker 14: it is a lot of work to record your own stuff.

2:06:31 Speaker 14: I mean, it's a lot of work to go to

2:06:32 Speaker 14: the studio too, but oh yeah, you have other hands

2:06:34 Speaker 14: and eyes and ears on it and they know what

2:06:37 Speaker 14: they're doing more than like, I'm sort of learning as

2:06:40 Speaker 14: I go. But it's fun. I like that part of

2:06:42 Speaker 14: it too.

2:06:42 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's the adventure of it. Yeah. Do

2:06:44 Speaker 1: you want to play something for us?

2:06:46 Speaker 3: Yeah?

2:06:46 Speaker 1: Sure, let me turn up that. Uh yeah, go and

2:06:52 Speaker 1: go and strum a little. I just want to make

2:06:53 Speaker 1: sure I get there. Oh yeah, that sounds good. Mad phones, Yeah, excellent,

2:06:59 Speaker 1: All right, cool.

2:07:01 Speaker 14: I'm going to play a brand new one for you,

2:07:02 Speaker 14: if that's okay.

2:07:03 Speaker 1: Absolutely.

2:07:05 Speaker 14: So, I've been trying to challenge myself. I think I

2:07:08 Speaker 14: mentioned this to you last time. I saw you challenge

2:07:11 Speaker 14: myself to make time for songwriting, which sounds like, well, duh,

2:07:15 Speaker 14: you're a songwriter, right, is that all you do? But

2:07:19 Speaker 14: sometimes the weeks just go by and I'm like, oh

2:07:21 Speaker 14: my gosh, like my creative need is just like being

2:07:26 Speaker 14: squished down. And so I've been trying to bring that

2:07:28 Speaker 14: more to the forefront. So and trying to write more songs,

2:07:30 Speaker 14: which if anyone's listening, I would like to follow along

2:07:33 Speaker 14: on my new songwriting journey. I've been sharing things, all

2:07:37 Speaker 14: the new stuff on Patreon, which is like a place

2:07:40 Speaker 14: online that you can support artists, and patreon dot com

2:07:44 Speaker 14: slash Katidobbins music. But this is one of the ones

2:07:46 Speaker 14: that I wrote for my almost song a week project,

2:07:51 Speaker 14: not quite a song a week but okay. It's called

2:07:55 Speaker 14: Coffee in the Morning, and it's about how when you

2:07:57 Speaker 14: fall in love and suddenly you're liking things and doing

2:08:01 Speaker 14: things that you never really cared about before, just because

2:08:04 Speaker 14: of that other person.

2:08:04 Speaker 37: You know, is it that wrangler or your rugged hands

2:08:18 Speaker 37: in my is it that open road or the smell

2:08:23 Speaker 37: of your cologne. Do I even like the challenge of

2:08:29 Speaker 37: a standard? It just the way you lie every time

2:08:35 Speaker 37: I stole it. I don't even know if I like

2:08:44 Speaker 37: coffee in the morning. Maybe there's just something about the

2:08:50 Speaker 37: way you pull reformed me as the sun lights up

2:08:54 Speaker 37: the kitchen were too early for my liking. But I

2:08:59 Speaker 37: like Kevin that quiet time with you. Is it that

2:09:08 Speaker 37: country song or the way you sing it for me?

2:09:13 Speaker 37: Is it that dance floor or the way you pull

2:09:17 Speaker 37: me clothes? Do I even like staying up past midnight?

2:09:25 Speaker 37: Or just the way you hold my hand walking in

2:09:29 Speaker 37: me home?

2:09:35 Speaker 40: I don't even know if I should like that whiskey bourbon.

2:09:41 Speaker 40: Maybe there's just something about the taste of it on

2:09:45 Speaker 40: your lips.

2:09:46 Speaker 37: As the moon lights up the kitchen ware too late

2:09:51 Speaker 37: for my liking. But I like talking into.

2:09:55 Speaker 31: The night with you.

2:10:00 Speaker 37: I don't even know if I like bike rides, a

2:10:04 Speaker 37: game nice using fireflies in a job.

2:10:12 Speaker 40: I don't think I even't need's a.

2:10:15 Speaker 37: Gold fishing or stay all night chasing stars.

2:10:22 Speaker 31: Unless it's where you are, unless it's.

2:10:29 Speaker 12: When you.

2:10:39 Speaker 37: Because I don't even know if I like coffee in

2:10:44 Speaker 37: the morning. Maybe there's just something in about the way

2:10:49 Speaker 37: you poor informed me as the soul in lights up

2:10:53 Speaker 37: the kitchen way too early for my liking.

2:10:58 Speaker 31: But I like heaven quiet time with you.

2:11:08 Speaker 37: I don't even know if I like coffee in the morning,

2:11:15 Speaker 37: but I know really.

2:11:17 Speaker 31: Like the way you pour it for me.

2:11:29 Speaker 1: Oh that's beautiful, thank you, very nice, very nice. So

2:11:34 Speaker 1: that's uh so that's new. That's that's very new.

2:11:37 Speaker 14: Then, right, Yeah, I wrote that a couple months ago.

2:11:40 Speaker 1: Now, very cool, very cool. If you're just joining us.

2:11:43 Speaker 1: Katie Dobbins is here with us, alive in studio and

2:11:46 Speaker 1: sounding amazing. So so you haven't Are you playing that

2:11:51 Speaker 1: one out curly or is that?

2:11:52 Speaker 2: Uh?

2:11:52 Speaker 4: Or have you not?

2:11:53 Speaker 31: Yeah?

2:11:53 Speaker 14: I played it a couple of times at live shows.

2:11:56 Speaker 1: Yeah.

2:11:56 Speaker 14: I think that was the radio debut.

2:11:58 Speaker 1: Okay, awesome, We Love That, We Love the We Love

2:12:01 Speaker 1: the World premieres here. Do you have any idea how

2:12:05 Speaker 1: many songs you've written at this point? Can you put

2:12:07 Speaker 1: like like like Is it in triple digits yet? Do

2:12:10 Speaker 1: you think?

2:12:10 Speaker 23: Or?

2:12:11 Speaker 7: Oh?

2:12:12 Speaker 14: I mean it probably depends on if I want to

2:12:16 Speaker 14: count every song I've ever written, probably yes, But if

2:12:19 Speaker 14: I just count the ones that I like, Yeah, I'm

2:12:23 Speaker 14: not sure.

2:12:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, do they? Do you have some that you've kind

2:12:27 Speaker 1: of retired? Like, are there some early ones that used

2:12:29 Speaker 1: to play that you don't play anymore?

2:12:30 Speaker 15: Yeah?

2:12:31 Speaker 14: I mean I I play the stuff from my first

2:12:34 Speaker 14: album still. I play several of those songs out, not

2:12:39 Speaker 14: all of them. And then there are some, Yeah, the

2:12:42 Speaker 14: some originals that I used to play, Like when you

2:12:45 Speaker 14: first write it and you're like, I really love this

2:12:47 Speaker 14: song because you wrote you just wrote it, so you're

2:12:49 Speaker 14: feeling real, like passionate and emotional about it because you.

2:12:53 Speaker 1: Know it just came from yours.

2:12:56 Speaker 14: And yeah, So I had some like that I've I

2:13:00 Speaker 14: felt really excited about in the moment and then kind

2:13:02 Speaker 14: of down the road was that sort of faded, you know,

2:13:04 Speaker 14: and they really got their full full moment in the sun,

2:13:08 Speaker 14: I guess.

2:13:08 Speaker 5: Yeah.

2:13:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've probably asked you this before, But do you

2:13:11 Speaker 1: remember the first song you ever wrote?

2:13:15 Speaker 14: The first song I wrote was a co write? Well,

2:13:19 Speaker 14: the first song I wrote was actually a cappella in

2:13:21 Speaker 14: like fifth grade, and I wrote it my best friend

2:13:25 Speaker 14: had moved to California and I was so sad, and

2:13:28 Speaker 14: so I wrote this song about you know, my I

2:13:30 Speaker 14: think it was called best friend. The first song I

2:13:32 Speaker 14: ever wrote on guitar was a co write. My friend

2:13:35 Speaker 14: Sarah Ellen had taught me a few chords on guitar

2:13:38 Speaker 14: and she had been writing songs. So we're like, let's

2:13:41 Speaker 14: write a song together. And we wrote a song about

2:13:43 Speaker 14: our grandfather's But if you asked me to play it,

2:13:46 Speaker 14: I truly don't remember how it goes. Yeah, yeah, but

2:13:49 Speaker 14: I remember thinking it was really good. I was so

2:13:52 Speaker 14: you know, we were so excited about it, and we

2:13:53 Speaker 14: played it at some open mics and things like that,

2:13:57 Speaker 14: which is like really really fun. Yeah, you know, you're

2:13:59 Speaker 14: in eighth grade on stage playing a duet that you

2:14:02 Speaker 14: wrote and you just feel like a rock star.

2:14:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, now I have you You've been doing this full

2:14:08 Speaker 1: time now for quite some time, right, a.

2:14:10 Speaker 14: Few years now.

2:14:11 Speaker 5: Yeah.

2:14:12 Speaker 14: I think I made the shift to full time in

2:14:14 Speaker 14: like spring of twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two, okay, Yeah,

2:14:20 Speaker 14: And it took it took a while to find my

2:14:22 Speaker 14: stride and still kind of, you know, figuring out balance.

2:14:25 Speaker 14: I feel like I talk about balance a lot, but

2:14:27 Speaker 14: it's hard. You wear so many hats when you're Oh, yeah,

2:14:30 Speaker 14: music is it's not just songwriting and performing, but you're

2:14:33 Speaker 14: I think of it as like you're running your own business.

2:14:35 Speaker 14: You know, you're booking, you're promoting, you're trying to make money,

2:14:38 Speaker 14: you're doing you know, recording all this stuff. Yeah, And

2:14:41 Speaker 14: so finding balance and a good rhythm is something I

2:14:44 Speaker 14: feel like I'm always like working on getting a little

2:14:49 Speaker 14: more honed in. But it's fun. I love it, and

2:14:52 Speaker 14: since making the decision to do it full time, I've

2:14:54 Speaker 14: never regretted it at all. But I will say it's

2:14:58 Speaker 14: not for everyone because I feel like whenever I tell

2:15:01 Speaker 14: another artist, oh, yeah, I do it full time, because

2:15:03 Speaker 14: they'll ask what do you do during the day. Yeah,

2:15:06 Speaker 14: And I feel like a lot of times people say, oh,

2:15:08 Speaker 14: like I want to.

2:15:09 Speaker 26: Do that too.

2:15:09 Speaker 14: I'm just I'm trying to get there, and almost from

2:15:12 Speaker 14: a place of like they feel like they're not doing

2:15:16 Speaker 14: it yet if they're not doing it full time or something,

2:15:18 Speaker 14: and it's like you really have to assess. I mean,

2:15:21 Speaker 14: it's it's it adds a sort of you have to

2:15:25 Speaker 14: really want to do it full time and know that

2:15:28 Speaker 14: there's going to be a period of like hardship that

2:15:30 Speaker 14: comes with that, and be okay with that. And also

2:15:33 Speaker 14: there's nothing wrong with having you know, a job that

2:15:36 Speaker 14: you're good at or that you like that you know,

2:15:39 Speaker 14: funds funds what you love too, and it gives you

2:15:43 Speaker 14: that like consistency. So I love doing it how I'm

2:15:46 Speaker 14: doing it, But I don't think it's for everybody. So

2:15:49 Speaker 14: when I say that, if you're an artist listening, don't

2:15:51 Speaker 14: feel pressured to like I need to do that too,

2:15:54 Speaker 14: you don't, you know, everybody does this so differently.

2:15:56 Speaker 1: So yeah, and I think too, you know, if you

2:16:00 Speaker 1: you can still call yourself a professional musician even if

2:16:02 Speaker 1: you're doing it part time. You know, the way I've

2:16:04 Speaker 1: always looked at it is, and really with any profession,

2:16:08 Speaker 1: you can call yourself a professional if you've ever been

2:16:10 Speaker 1: paid for what you do. True, That's how I look

2:16:12 Speaker 1: at it. So even if even if you you know,

2:16:14 Speaker 1: you've just gotten you know, thirty dollars, you know, playing

2:16:18 Speaker 1: a set somewhere, well, you're now a professional musician. If somebody,

2:16:21 Speaker 1: if somebody gave you money, you know, for that, then

2:16:23 Speaker 1: you're now a professional. And you know, I think I

2:16:27 Speaker 1: think sometimes, yeah, I think sometimes people get self conscious

2:16:30 Speaker 1: about it, you know, if they're if they're doing it

2:16:32 Speaker 1: part time, you know, but they're still working at something else.

2:16:35 Speaker 1: But but I think too part of the key is,

2:16:37 Speaker 1: and you kind of alluded to it, if you have

2:16:39 Speaker 1: if you have another job that you really love, then

2:16:42 Speaker 1: you know, because the important thing is to fill your life,

2:16:45 Speaker 1: I think with things that you love to do, you know,

2:16:48 Speaker 1: whether it's part time, full time, whether you're a full

2:16:51 Speaker 1: time musician or a part time musician and full time

2:16:54 Speaker 1: doing something else or whatever it is. You know, don't

2:16:56 Speaker 1: you don't want to no matter what. You don't want

2:16:58 Speaker 1: to waste your life do things you hate, which is

2:17:01 Speaker 1: what a lot of people do. You know, They work

2:17:04 Speaker 1: their whole lives at a job they don't like, and

2:17:05 Speaker 1: it's like, why find something you love?

2:17:09 Speaker 9: You know?

2:17:09 Speaker 14: You know definitely.

2:17:10 Speaker 1: Now, do you have any advice for people who are

2:17:13 Speaker 1: you know, because a lot of musicians listen to the

2:17:15 Speaker 1: show and a lot of industry people. Do you have

2:17:16 Speaker 1: any advice for someone who is really thinking about trying

2:17:20 Speaker 1: to do this full time but they're hesitant.

2:17:24 Speaker 14: Yeah, I would talk to people who are doing it

2:17:26 Speaker 14: full time. Yeah, that's what I did. I talked to

2:17:28 Speaker 14: several people that were doing it full time and I

2:17:30 Speaker 14: was like, what is this really like for you? How

2:17:33 Speaker 14: is this working? And I found out that most people

2:17:36 Speaker 14: that are doing it full time that you know, they

2:17:38 Speaker 14: are getting support in some way loved ones, or they're

2:17:42 Speaker 14: sacrificing something, you know, like my Manny Petticures I used

2:17:48 Speaker 14: to be able to get for myself on someone. I mean,

2:17:50 Speaker 14: that's a tiny sacrifice. I'm part kidding, but you know,

2:17:53 Speaker 14: you said you might sacrifice like some kind of lifestyle

2:17:55 Speaker 14: that you're used to in order to pursue this. And

2:17:58 Speaker 14: just I would talk to somebody who's doing it, or

2:18:00 Speaker 14: multiple people that are doing it, just to get like

2:18:02 Speaker 14: a full picture of what this actually is before you,

2:18:07 Speaker 14: you know, just put the pedal to the metal and

2:18:11 Speaker 14: you know, give up everything you know and and go

2:18:14 Speaker 14: in blindly. So that because it always sounds like such

2:18:19 Speaker 14: a dream, you know, but you really want to make

2:18:21 Speaker 14: an informed decision about and ask yourself, is this really

2:18:25 Speaker 14: what I want to do?

2:18:26 Speaker 5: Right?

2:18:26 Speaker 1: And nothing's as glamorous as it looks from the outside either,

2:18:30 Speaker 1: you know, And as you also mentioned, there's a lot

2:18:32 Speaker 1: of work. You know, it's not just creating music. It's

2:18:35 Speaker 1: all the business stuff you got to do, right, and

2:18:38 Speaker 1: keeping up with social media too, which some people enjoy

2:18:40 Speaker 1: and embrace and some people are just like I wish

2:18:42 Speaker 1: I didn't have to do that part, but you do

2:18:44 Speaker 1: have to do that part.

2:18:45 Speaker 14: Yeah, And I feel like it ebbs and flows too,

2:18:47 Speaker 14: like I have, and I used to get harder on myself,

2:18:51 Speaker 14: and I'm accepting this more and more. Like there are

2:18:54 Speaker 14: seasons where I'm doing a lot more stuff online social media,

2:18:58 Speaker 14: you know, posting videos, things like that, and there are

2:19:00 Speaker 14: seasons where I'm playing out a lot more so I

2:19:01 Speaker 14: don't have as much time to be present online. Then

2:19:04 Speaker 14: there are seasons where, oh it's a slower show season,

2:19:07 Speaker 14: so I'm songwriting or I'm in the studio. And I

2:19:10 Speaker 14: think at first I felt like I have to do

2:19:12 Speaker 14: all these things all the time, you know, like and

2:19:15 Speaker 14: I still feel that a little bit, but it's like

2:19:18 Speaker 14: being okay with the ebb and flow of what it

2:19:21 Speaker 14: means to be an art maker and performer, like distributor

2:19:26 Speaker 14: of that art. There's just you can't always do it

2:19:30 Speaker 14: all all the time or you totally burn.

2:19:32 Speaker 1: Out, right right, Yeah, no doubt. Oh do you want

2:19:35 Speaker 1: to play another one for us?

2:19:36 Speaker 14: Yeah, I'll play giants since you told me you like

2:19:41 Speaker 14: this one, do Yeah.

2:19:42 Speaker 1: So the first time I heard that was on Rob Show,

2:19:46 Speaker 1: that was the first time I'd heard that song, and yeah,

2:19:48 Speaker 1: I love this song. Yeah cool absolutely Haadie Dobbins live

2:19:51 Speaker 1: in studio.

2:19:53 Speaker 14: I feel like this is a good song to play

2:19:54 Speaker 14: right now too, because it's about doing things that feel

2:20:00 Speaker 14: hard and facing the things that feel impossible in your

2:20:02 Speaker 14: life and remembering that you are actually more powerful than

2:20:06 Speaker 14: you may realize. And the giants in your life they're

2:20:11 Speaker 14: just make believe, like those giants in your closet when

2:20:15 Speaker 14: you're a little kid. Your sweatshirt falling off my shoulder.

2:20:36 Speaker 14: It's too big, But then again, it only was when

2:20:42 Speaker 14: did I become so small? Living in your shadow?

2:20:47 Speaker 37: I don't fill the space shaddle feels like I've been swallowed.

2:20:57 Speaker 37: Don't take too much space, my mind said, shrink so

2:21:05 Speaker 37: I don't riskiny thing. They to be safe then to

2:21:14 Speaker 37: be sorry, Well I'm sorry. I don't feel safe. Fu

2:21:20 Speaker 37: frount shy. Maybe it's time I come outa hi day

2:21:30 Speaker 37: Aptain sawt just makes me good.

2:21:32 Speaker 13: I lie.

2:21:36 Speaker 3: Just so you could think that you're the child.

2:21:44 Speaker 40: Your colone rushing off my shoulder.

2:21:49 Speaker 37: It's over powering, But then again, it onlys was now

2:21:56 Speaker 37: that I am coming clean.

2:21:59 Speaker 26: Shutting everything but me.

2:22:02 Speaker 31: Doing all my skin. Tell me, are you panicking?

2:22:11 Speaker 3: Baby?

2:22:12 Speaker 31: Do you feelcy far round?

2:22:15 Speaker 3: Try?

2:22:17 Speaker 7: Because I think.

2:22:18 Speaker 40: It's time I come out of hiding.

2:22:23 Speaker 31: Acting smutch just makes me god.

2:22:26 Speaker 12: I lie in.

2:22:29 Speaker 3: Just so you could think that you're cho, but you're

2:22:38 Speaker 3: no cho.

2:22:44 Speaker 37: Don't take too much space, my mind said shrink, so

2:22:53 Speaker 37: I don't raise anything.

2:22:57 Speaker 31: Trying to pull takes me.

2:23:01 Speaker 6: But I know now.

2:23:05 Speaker 10: The giant Sarmake believe their make Bullie.

2:23:20 Speaker 36: So I don't feel the faid around no Chie, I

2:23:27 Speaker 36: know it's Timac Commuda.

2:23:31 Speaker 40: Hating hapting swages makes me con and.

2:23:41 Speaker 10: But you are no Chaiet. There are no Chi. Giant

2:23:55 Speaker 10: Sarmick believe their mag b.

2:24:09 Speaker 37: Acting small just makes me good. Lion, you are only

2:24:17 Speaker 37: giants in my mind. Acting small just makes me good.

2:24:25 Speaker 40: Lying you are only giant.

2:24:31 Speaker 31: In my mind.

2:24:34 Speaker 3: And giants sorchised make.

2:24:42 Speaker 31: Bullie.

2:24:50 Speaker 1: I love it, Katie Dobbins live in studio. Yeah, that

2:24:53 Speaker 1: is a great, great song. Oh I love it. Great song,

2:24:57 Speaker 1: great song that one's been out for a little while, right,

2:24:59 Speaker 1: But that is that is that kind.

2:25:00 Speaker 14: Of newer Yeah, that's like in my newer collection of

2:25:04 Speaker 14: singles recorded at Rocking Horse.

2:25:06 Speaker 1: Okay, okay and.

2:25:07 Speaker 14: That when I actually started writing on the electric guitar. Yeah,

2:25:11 Speaker 14: I have an electric guitar. I just I don't play

2:25:14 Speaker 14: it out. I would like to learn how to do

2:25:16 Speaker 14: cool stuff on it. Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah, I

2:25:21 Speaker 14: kind of had like a little riff going, and then

2:25:23 Speaker 14: I moved to acoustic guitar, and then I was like, no,

2:25:27 Speaker 14: this is a piano song.

2:25:28 Speaker 1: So, oh okay. Have you have you played electric guitar

2:25:31 Speaker 1: on any of your studio recordings so far?

2:25:35 Speaker 14: No other people have played my guitar.

2:25:39 Speaker 12: It's in there.

2:25:39 Speaker 7: Yeah.

2:25:40 Speaker 14: Yeah, actually that's not true. I recorded I have a

2:25:43 Speaker 14: single called Starlights that I recorded during the pandemic in

2:25:48 Speaker 14: my home studio. Oh okay, that I actually did do

2:25:52 Speaker 14: my own little electric guitar riff on. Oh really Yeah,

2:25:56 Speaker 14: you want to check out my electric guitar playing. You

2:26:00 Speaker 14: can check out Starlights.

2:26:02 Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, very cool, very cool. When you when

2:26:07 Speaker 1: you play out, I mean you must do some covers too, right,

2:26:09 Speaker 1: I assume you make some covers in Yeah.

2:26:11 Speaker 14: Yeah, it depends on the show. Yeah. If I'm doing

2:26:13 Speaker 14: like a three hour gig, for sure. Yeah, and then

2:26:16 Speaker 14: I have I have a bunch of shows coming out

2:26:18 Speaker 14: this summer that are like focused on original music that

2:26:20 Speaker 14: I'm really excited about. Yeah, but even when I do that,

2:26:23 Speaker 14: I'll throw in, you know, one or two just people

2:26:26 Speaker 14: kind of like something familiar.

2:26:27 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, and it's fun.

2:26:29 Speaker 14: It's fun to I always think, like, how cool it

2:26:32 Speaker 14: must be to be Taylor Swift or something and you

2:26:35 Speaker 14: look out and everyone's singing every lyric to your song, right,

2:26:38 Speaker 14: But that's that's fun about covers, is you know. Sometimes

2:26:41 Speaker 14: I'll transition into a cover song from an original. It's

2:26:43 Speaker 14: just fun to look out and see people bopping around

2:26:46 Speaker 14: and singing along with you, and yeah, fun moment.

2:26:49 Speaker 2: Do you have?

2:26:50 Speaker 1: Do you do any covers that you found particularly challenging

2:26:53 Speaker 1: to learn? Sometimes I get some surprising answers when I

2:26:56 Speaker 1: ask people this, So I'm just curious, like, is there

2:26:58 Speaker 1: anything you said I'm gonna learn that one? And then

2:27:00 Speaker 1: it turned out to be kind of challenging.

2:27:02 Speaker 14: I don't think so, But I don't learn traditionally, Like

2:27:06 Speaker 14: if I'm learning a new cover, I sort of just

2:27:10 Speaker 14: will look up the chords and then play it however

2:27:12 Speaker 14: feels good to me. Whereas some people are which would

2:27:16 Speaker 14: be good for me to do, some people are going

2:27:18 Speaker 14: on you know, YouTube and like watching a bunch of

2:27:20 Speaker 14: videos and learning how the actual original artist plays it.

2:27:23 Speaker 1: Sure.

2:27:24 Speaker 14: I sometimes when I learn to cover, I don't even

2:27:27 Speaker 14: know the song that well, like I kind of know it,

2:27:31 Speaker 14: and then I feel like it makes it easier to

2:27:32 Speaker 14: put my own twists on it because I kind of

2:27:36 Speaker 14: I'm learning it, but also like making it feel good

2:27:40 Speaker 14: to me because I only kind of know the song.

2:27:44 Speaker 1: Your own yea.

2:27:45 Speaker 14: But I I did learn Forever Young is a song

2:27:49 Speaker 14: I love playing by Bob Dylan, and Joni Mitchell has

2:27:54 Speaker 14: a version of that song. I'm sorry. Joan Biaz has

2:27:56 Speaker 14: a version of that song that's really beautiful. So I

2:27:59 Speaker 14: did learn and her guitar version to it, and it

2:28:03 Speaker 14: was a really pretty like I felt really fancy when

2:28:08 Speaker 14: I learned this, you know, yeah, and it's really pretty.

2:28:13 Speaker 21: Yeah.

2:28:13 Speaker 14: So that one I did learn traditionally because I was like,

2:28:16 Speaker 14: that's just so beautiful. I got to learn that part

2:28:19 Speaker 14: that makes sense, that makes sense.

2:28:21 Speaker 1: You want to play another live one? I yeah, we

2:28:24 Speaker 1: got we got time.

2:28:26 Speaker 31: Yeah.

2:28:27 Speaker 1: So selfishly I want to hear more. You just sound

2:28:29 Speaker 1: so great.

2:28:29 Speaker 14: Ah, that's so nice. I want to hear another new

2:28:31 Speaker 14: newer one, Yeah, that would be cool, that would be great.

2:28:34 Speaker 14: I have I have a single out. My newest single

2:28:37 Speaker 14: is called Grateful, and it's about gratitude. Yeah shocker uh.

2:28:44 Speaker 14: And so I'm not going to play that, but I

2:28:46 Speaker 14: will play another song that's sort of on the same theme.

2:28:50 Speaker 14: I feel like it's called miss these Days, because you

2:28:54 Speaker 14: know today, someday we're gonna be like that was the

2:28:57 Speaker 14: good old days. So you got to soak it in.

2:28:59 Speaker 37: Yep, Mama's calling from the kitchen on the other side

2:29:15 Speaker 37: of the house. I can't hear what she's saying. I

2:29:19 Speaker 37: just chuckle to myself, and the dog is going crazy

2:29:24 Speaker 37: about a squirrel outside the window, and Daddy's watching.

2:29:29 Speaker 31: News about what God only knows. It's a little bit.

2:29:34 Speaker 37: Of chaos on a quiet country road, in a humble,

2:29:39 Speaker 37: old brick house where we made ourselves a home. I

2:29:45 Speaker 37: don't know what tomorrow brings. I'm not sure of much,

2:29:50 Speaker 37: but I'm sure someday I'm gonna miss these days. I'm

2:29:56 Speaker 37: sure someday I'm gonna miss these days. So I'm living

2:30:05 Speaker 37: on hope and excite me for each day as it comes.

2:30:10 Speaker 40: Keep showing up for the journey where for ridden may lead.

2:30:16 Speaker 40: Life's father uncertainty.

2:30:21 Speaker 31: But all I wanna do is sulk it in case.

2:30:27 Speaker 37: I'm sure some day I'm gonna miss these days. I'm

2:30:33 Speaker 37: sure some day i'm gonna miss things daydays.

2:30:42 Speaker 31: I'm heading down.

2:30:43 Speaker 37: The long road on the way to another show, running

2:30:47 Speaker 37: on prayers and katheene, hoping my songs will touch your souls.

2:30:53 Speaker 31: And the car is packed so.

2:30:54 Speaker 37: High I can't see out my back window. I'm following

2:30:59 Speaker 37: my dreams and now some guy who's going so slow.

2:31:07 Speaker 37: I got a little bitter road rage on a quiet

2:31:11 Speaker 37: country road in a humble old Volkswagon where I made

2:31:16 Speaker 37: myself a home.

2:31:19 Speaker 31: I don't know what tomorrow brings.

2:31:22 Speaker 37: I'm not sure of much, but I'm sure some day

2:31:26 Speaker 37: i'm gonna miss Beeds days. I'm sure some day i'm

2:31:32 Speaker 37: gonna miss Beads Day. So I'm living on hope and

2:31:40 Speaker 37: excite me for each day as it comes.

2:31:44 Speaker 31: Keep showing up for the journey where the bridden.

2:31:49 Speaker 40: Maybe life is love hof uncertainty.

2:31:56 Speaker 31: But hed all one day is so getting.

2:32:01 Speaker 37: Because I'm sure someday I'm gonna miss thesedays. I'm sure

2:32:08 Speaker 37: someday I'm gonna miss the day.

2:32:16 Speaker 10: So take this day it be what dom true leaving

2:32:28 Speaker 10: I okeeve me for on this comas.

2:32:36 Speaker 3: Man, I got some day I'm gonna miss this day.

2:32:45 Speaker 40: I know someday I'm gonna miss It's.

2:32:53 Speaker 37: So I'm living on home and excite me for each

2:32:58 Speaker 37: day as it comes.

2:33:00 Speaker 26: Keep showing up for the journey.

2:33:05 Speaker 40: A HiPE is full of uncertainty.

2:33:12 Speaker 31: All I wanta do some kiddy.

2:33:17 Speaker 37: Because I'm sure someday I'm gonna miss these days. I

2:33:24 Speaker 37: know someday I'm gonna miss days day. Yeah, you know,

2:33:33 Speaker 37: someday we're gonna miss this day.

2:33:46 Speaker 1: I love it. Thank you. Katie Dobbins live in studio

2:33:49 Speaker 1: with us, and that was great. So that's another new one.

2:33:52 Speaker 1: Huh yeah, very cool, very cool. By the way, So

2:33:56 Speaker 1: you're getting some love here in the chat room. Eric

2:33:59 Speaker 1: and Power also known as Temple Mountain. He's been on

2:34:02 Speaker 1: the show a few times now. He says Katie is

2:34:05 Speaker 1: the best, So glad her name uh spells Katie with

2:34:10 Speaker 1: a K and not with a G. I don't know

2:34:13 Speaker 1: if there's an inside joke there.

2:34:15 Speaker 2: I don't.

2:34:15 Speaker 1: I don't get it. To ask him, yeah, I don't.

2:34:17 Speaker 1: I don't quite get it, but uh yes, I'm I'm

2:34:21 Speaker 1: also glad you spell Katie with a K and not

2:34:23 Speaker 1: a G. Me too.

2:34:25 Speaker 14: Hey, Eric, thanks for tuning in.

2:34:27 Speaker 1: He's amazing.

2:34:28 Speaker 14: He's amazing, awesome, super supportive too, like super supportive of

2:34:32 Speaker 14: you know, other musicians, ands and radio and he's just

2:34:35 Speaker 14: like always good, positive energy.

2:34:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's great. Yeah. He sends people to us, Oh yeah,

2:34:41 Speaker 1: oh yeah. Yeah. He's referred a bunch of really good,

2:34:43 Speaker 1: really good musicians to us. Also, good morning to Miriam

2:34:47 Speaker 1: who's in the chat room, and Rob Diyon who halts

2:34:52 Speaker 1: to show here through the stage door. He's part of

2:34:53 Speaker 1: the W M and H family. He said, I'm heading

2:34:56 Speaker 1: to a gig right now, but I just wanted to

2:34:57 Speaker 1: say Matt that the musicians you have on this morning

2:35:00 Speaker 1: really are amazing, very good, very good.

2:35:03 Speaker 14: It's so nice.

2:35:04 Speaker 1: Thanks absolutely so, Katie, what do you have this weekend?

2:35:07 Speaker 1: Do you have shows this weekend?

2:35:09 Speaker 14: Actually don't. I have a kind of a quiet weekend,

2:35:11 Speaker 14: which I'm very excited about. After I leave here today,

2:35:15 Speaker 14: I'm gonna head over to hang out with Chris Noise.

2:35:17 Speaker 14: The basis we're gonna do some practice in for our

2:35:20 Speaker 14: gig at Strawberry Bank later this month. Yeah, and then

2:35:24 Speaker 14: I do I'm part of I sing at my church,

2:35:27 Speaker 14: which meets on top of a mountain on Sunday morning,

2:35:29 Speaker 14: So tomorrow I'll be hike into that and doing that

2:35:31 Speaker 14: whole thing up at Gunstock Mountain. But other than that,

2:35:34 Speaker 14: my weekend's pretty quiet, and I've been very much on

2:35:38 Speaker 14: the go lately. I just got back two weeks ago

2:35:40 Speaker 14: from my first solo road trip tour down to Nashville, Tennessee.

2:35:46 Speaker 14: I was gone for a week and a half and

2:35:48 Speaker 14: I didn't really plan any transition time before or after

2:35:51 Speaker 14: the trip. I just said, I was like, yeah, I'll

2:35:53 Speaker 14: just like keep going one hundred miles an hour right

2:35:57 Speaker 14: up to it, and then I'll just come back and

2:35:59 Speaker 14: get right in the swing of So I'm definitely feeling

2:36:01 Speaker 14: the effects of that a little bit.

2:36:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt.

2:36:03 Speaker 14: So I'm kind of happy to have a quiet weekend

2:36:05 Speaker 14: and then things will pick up. I have shows next week.

2:36:09 Speaker 14: On Wednesday, I'm in Portsmouth, and then Thursday I have

2:36:12 Speaker 14: a cool I'm hosting a touring artist at hermit Wood's

2:36:14 Speaker 14: Winery in Meredith, New Hampshire. It's a listening room up there,

2:36:18 Speaker 14: So if you're up in the Lakes region or heading

2:36:20 Speaker 14: up that way, come hang out Thursday night and then

2:36:23 Speaker 14: I got shows like all weekend, so it'll be a

2:36:25 Speaker 14: nice little break leading into that.

2:36:28 Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent. How was your trip to Nashville?

2:36:31 Speaker 14: It was awesome. Yeah, it was there. You know, I

2:36:37 Speaker 14: felt like I was just really craving a different perspective

2:36:41 Speaker 14: and just being completely immersed in original music and just

2:36:46 Speaker 14: like seeing new people. And I've also been wanting to

2:36:49 Speaker 14: plan a little road trip toward in Nashville for a

2:36:51 Speaker 14: few years now, but I kept kind of coming up

2:36:55 Speaker 14: against some roadblocks and it just didn't felt. I never

2:36:58 Speaker 14: like it when it feels like I'm forcing something and

2:37:00 Speaker 14: it feels like, Okay, maybe this is not the right timing.

2:37:02 Speaker 14: So this finally came together in a really great way

2:37:06 Speaker 14: and I was able to do it, and I was

2:37:09 Speaker 14: down there for I was in I played a show

2:37:11 Speaker 14: in West Virginia on my way down and stayed with

2:37:13 Speaker 14: some friends, which was awesome, and then I was in

2:37:16 Speaker 14: Nashville for seven full days and I played almost every

2:37:20 Speaker 14: night that I was there. I had one or two

2:37:22 Speaker 14: writers round, so it was like I just met so

2:37:25 Speaker 14: many songwriters and I got to you get to hear them,

2:37:27 Speaker 14: because when you're playing a writer's round. You know, you

2:37:29 Speaker 14: play a little bit, and then you also get to

2:37:30 Speaker 14: hear like three other people playing in the round, and

2:37:33 Speaker 14: so it was very inspiring. And it's just so it

2:37:37 Speaker 14: fills your cup and inspires you to like be reminded.

2:37:40 Speaker 14: Oh yeah, there's so many people doing this and doing

2:37:43 Speaker 14: it you know successfully, and I just I And I

2:37:47 Speaker 14: also it's humbling. I left feeling like, yeah, I got

2:37:50 Speaker 14: to get better and to keep writing, you know, which

2:37:52 Speaker 14: is what kind of the kick in the butt that

2:37:54 Speaker 14: I wanted.

2:37:55 Speaker 1: So yeah, it was great. Yeah that's pressure. Yeah in Nashville. Yeah, absolutely, No,

2:38:00 Speaker 1: Well that's very cool. Yeah, that's very cool.

2:38:02 Speaker 14: Yeah, it scratched the itch for touring too. I'm like, yeah,

2:38:05 Speaker 14: let's get on the row. Let's go. I mean, I

2:38:08 Speaker 14: mean being a musician. I know, I talked about the

2:38:10 Speaker 14: hardships of doing it full time and stuff, but part

2:38:12 Speaker 14: of the reason I initially wanted to do it full

2:38:14 Speaker 14: time was well, I was just so hungry to do it,

2:38:17 Speaker 14: and I was like, if I don't try this, I'll

2:38:19 Speaker 14: never know if I could have made it happen, you know.

2:38:22 Speaker 1: So I just had to do it.

2:38:23 Speaker 14: And part of it was I wanted to do touring

2:38:26 Speaker 14: which I really am just kind of dipping my toe

2:38:28 Speaker 14: into at least beyond New England. I play all over

2:38:31 Speaker 14: New England, but I wanted to do more touring, and

2:38:34 Speaker 14: that's hard to do when you have a set work schedule.

2:38:36 Speaker 14: I was teaching, so oh yeah, you know, it's kind

2:38:39 Speaker 14: of hard to tour when you need to be in

2:38:41 Speaker 14: the classroom. So I that was part of what I

2:38:45 Speaker 14: wanted to do. So I'm kind of now just starting

2:38:47 Speaker 14: to be like, Okay, what how can this look? And

2:38:49 Speaker 14: how exciting to think of? Wow, I could actually go

2:38:52 Speaker 14: travel to places and see different places around the country

2:38:55 Speaker 14: and play music doing it, you know, I mean that's

2:38:57 Speaker 14: pretty that's pretty sick.

2:38:59 Speaker 4: Yeah.

2:38:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. Do you ever miss teaching or I mean,

2:39:03 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure I'm sure you.

2:39:04 Speaker 14: Miss if any of my old students are listening so much.

2:39:09 Speaker 14: I did love teaching, I really did. I really did.

2:39:11 Speaker 14: But I have to say it was the right decision. Yeah,

2:39:15 Speaker 14: I have never I've never felt like the desire to

2:39:20 Speaker 14: go back to teaching.

2:39:21 Speaker 3: Yeah.

2:39:22 Speaker 14: I think that it was really really good for the time.

2:39:25 Speaker 14: You know, it was a good a good season. I

2:39:28 Speaker 14: learned a lot and there's actually, weirdly a lot of

2:39:30 Speaker 14: overlap between managing a classroom and managing your business and

2:39:33 Speaker 14: also like teaching, standing in front of a class, teaching

2:39:37 Speaker 14: and engaging students, and also performing on stage and engaging

2:39:41 Speaker 14: an audience. It's weirdly similar. So like I'm very very

2:39:44 Speaker 14: grateful for my teaching.

2:39:46 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, that makes sense. Yeah, that totally makes sense.

2:39:49 Speaker 1: You ever hear from any of your students who have

2:39:51 Speaker 1: followed your your music career, so.

2:39:53 Speaker 14: They some of them do follow me in you know,

2:39:56 Speaker 14: social media, and they'll like like a post. And I

2:39:59 Speaker 14: have a student who will sometimes come when I play

2:40:01 Speaker 14: in Massachusetts. He'll come sometimes come to my showes, which

2:40:03 Speaker 14: is always really fun.

2:40:04 Speaker 1: That's cool. That's very cool. Yeah, yeah, that's excellent. Well,

2:40:08 Speaker 1: so we will begin to wrap up in a moment,

2:40:11 Speaker 1: but we'll probably play studio track.

2:40:16 Speaker 14: Whoops, I knew that was coming. It's usually me so

2:40:21 Speaker 14: thank you.

2:40:22 Speaker 1: Jenny and I are both clutches, so where the last

2:40:24 Speaker 1: people will ever judge you for dropping something.

2:40:28 Speaker 39: Almost hold onto anything for two days.

2:40:31 Speaker 3: Lately, I feel like.

2:40:32 Speaker 14: My clumsiness is getting worse, and it might just be

2:40:34 Speaker 14: the like I said, the aftermaths of the trip and

2:40:36 Speaker 14: not planning enough time to transition.

2:40:38 Speaker 31: To blame it on the humidity week.

2:40:40 Speaker 14: Maybe it's just you know, yeah, it got to us.

2:40:42 Speaker 15: That's problem.

2:40:43 Speaker 14: I am actually writing a song. It's like, well, I

2:40:46 Speaker 14: only have this so far.

2:40:48 Speaker 40: It's like I can be little clumsy, chipping over my

2:40:52 Speaker 40: own two feet.

2:40:53 Speaker 37: People think I'm funny, but I'm just trying to get

2:40:57 Speaker 37: uh yeah, a little something something. But the clusiest thing

2:41:03 Speaker 37: that I ever did was falling.

2:41:06 Speaker 9: For you.

2:41:11 Speaker 14: To hear it, maybe you can help me write the rest.

2:41:16 Speaker 1: There you go?

2:41:17 Speaker 12: Cool?

2:41:18 Speaker 1: What what what should we play to close the show?

2:41:21 Speaker 1: What's a studio track we should play?

2:41:23 Speaker 14: Either just because I can or Grateful depends if you

2:41:25 Speaker 14: want to play like a rocker track or a dreamy

2:41:28 Speaker 14: grateful track.

2:41:29 Speaker 1: Was Grateful the one that you said had some of

2:41:31 Speaker 1: your electric guitar playing in it.

2:41:32 Speaker 14: No, I don't think you have that song. I don't

2:41:35 Speaker 14: know if I ever sent that. Well, it's called Starlights.

2:41:39 Speaker 14: That was the one I recorded entirely in my home studio.

2:41:42 Speaker 14: I don't know if you have that one.

2:41:43 Speaker 1: It is because if it's online, I can find it.

2:41:47 Speaker 1: I found it.

2:41:48 Speaker 14: Okay, And now people in the comments can tell me

2:41:50 Speaker 14: what they think of this was. This was before I

2:41:52 Speaker 14: even had logic pro I produced this on Oh was

2:41:57 Speaker 14: it garage band?

2:41:59 Speaker 1: Might have been like, this will be very interesting, Okay, cool,

2:42:08 Speaker 1: cool and uh. And before we wrap up to Jenny,

2:42:11 Speaker 1: you want to mention the what's happening today the virtual event.

2:42:14 Speaker 39: Yes, today is the sixth annual Virtual Walk to support

2:42:19 Speaker 39: and raise awareness for c RPS Complex Regional pain syndrome.

2:42:23 Speaker 39: You can find out more information at r s d

2:42:26 Speaker 39: S dot org. R s d S dot org is

2:42:29 Speaker 39: the Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophe Association, which is what the disease

2:42:34 Speaker 39: used to be called. So if you want to find

2:42:36 Speaker 39: out more about complex VIE your pain syndrome, if you

2:42:39 Speaker 39: want to help us and donate to the walk, all

2:42:41 Speaker 39: the money and proceeds goes to help with awareness and

2:42:44 Speaker 39: helping folks out there that have it, both young and oult.

2:42:47 Speaker 39: So check out r s d S dot org and

2:42:50 Speaker 39: for more information on me, go to Gencoffee dot com.

2:42:53 Speaker 31: J E N N c O F f u I

2:42:55 Speaker 31: dot com.

2:42:56 Speaker 1: Very good, very good, And of course if you missed

2:42:58 Speaker 1: any part of today's show, it'll be up in just

2:43:00 Speaker 1: a little bit at w m hradio dot org and

2:43:02 Speaker 1: on my website. Matt connorton dot com and Katie Doobbins.

2:43:05 Speaker 1: Thank you again so much. Always nice to see you.

2:43:07 Speaker 14: Thank you so much for doing this and supporting so

2:43:09 Speaker 14: many local artists, not just oh you supported me from

2:43:12 Speaker 14: like the early days, and I appreciate you so much.

2:43:14 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, well, well, well we appreciate you. Oh did

2:43:18 Speaker 1: we mention your website?

2:43:19 Speaker 9: Is it?

2:43:19 Speaker 1: It's Katieobbins Music dot com.

2:43:21 Speaker 31: Is That's right?

2:43:22 Speaker 1: Everything is there? Absolutely and uh here's a so. This

2:43:25 Speaker 1: track features Katie on the electric guitar. Check this out.

2:43:29 Speaker 1: This is called Starlights.

2:43:34 Speaker 26: When night stor and quite.

2:43:40 Speaker 37: I you smiling your U remind me, boy, you're still shining.

2:43:53 Speaker 26: No matter where life takes us will be fine.

2:43:59 Speaker 3: Because your start.

2:44:08 Speaker 10: Shot from the side. He flight.

2:44:22 Speaker 26: My starlight.

2:44:37 Speaker 7: When my.

2:44:40 Speaker 37: Is doomed and fading. You speak to my heart, reminding

2:44:49 Speaker 37: me laid.

2:44:51 Speaker 3: Even a litle bit of lid can.

2:44:57 Speaker 26: Be enough to lie after.

2:45:03 Speaker 10: We are shine from the side, be both to. It's

2:45:20 Speaker 10: a lot.

2:45:26 Speaker 26: Starlight, starlight.

2:45:40 Speaker 40: To cover all your hungry hearts.

2:45:43 Speaker 31: Let's come alive tonight.

2:45:47 Speaker 3: Oh we need a lot alone and fiddle be alive.

2:45:53 Speaker 10: I get a whole lot, rider away and I feel

2:45:57 Speaker 10: your hands in mind.

2:46:00 Speaker 31: Join us see me, help me.

2:46:02 Speaker 40: Starting all us kit shine.

2:46:08 Speaker 3: We are stop shinte from the inside. We felt.

2:46:31 Speaker 26: We starlight, starlight, we starlight starlight, we starlight