Jesse Rutstein and Caleb Dyer | Matt Connarton Unleashed

0:00 Speaker 1: Right now joining us. So let me get these mics

0:02 Speaker 1: up here. We have so Magan his return, well technically

0:05 Speaker 1: they're both making returns to the show, but we do

0:07 Speaker 1: have Jesse Rotstein here. Hello, Jesse, Hello, welcome, Thank you

0:11 Speaker 1: for having me. Anxious to talk to you about the

0:13 Speaker 1: new EP, anxious to talk about it and share some

0:16 Speaker 1: share some tunes from it, and uh and get into it.

0:18 Speaker 1: This is your Is this your second.

0:20 Speaker 2: Time on the show? This is my second time on

0:22 Speaker 2: the show.

0:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And you have with you so you brought

0:25 Speaker 1: Caleb Caleb Diris here. Hello, Caleb, Hello, Hello, Now this

0:28 Speaker 1: is your I think this is your second time on

0:30 Speaker 1: the show, but you don't correct, you don't remember the

0:33 Speaker 1: original time. But that's okay.

0:34 Speaker 3: I recall being on TV, yeah, on the Public Access

0:38 Speaker 3: TV with with fellow representative Gary Gary Hopper, Gary Hopper Lake,

0:43 Speaker 3: Gary Hopper Lake, Carrie Hopper. Yes, and uh, I so

0:47 Speaker 3: you tell me immediately thereafter or something to that effect, Right.

0:52 Speaker 1: It was, it was before, it was just before, it

0:54 Speaker 1: was right before.

0:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, that that makes sense as well, that I was

0:58 Speaker 3: on your show. And I fully accept that because I

1:01 Speaker 3: did a few different radio I did radio. I think

1:03 Speaker 3: in Texas in a couple other state Michigan as well.

1:08 Speaker 3: Yeah for stuff all around that time.

1:10 Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yeah, that day you you were on with

1:12 Speaker 1: Brandon Finnie and I think you guys were both state

1:15 Speaker 1: reps at the time of front indeed.

1:17 Speaker 3: Much like the honorable jenk Coffee, except we were in

1:20 Speaker 3: the legislature right after you left, right.

1:24 Speaker 1: Yes, I left in twenty twelve.

1:26 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so one separated by one term in between

1:29 Speaker 3: the Yeah.

1:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yep. And Brandon's been on the show with Vigil.

1:34 Speaker 1: Oh excellent, yea, yeah, excellent.

1:35 Speaker 3: I'm so glad all of that former state reps doing music.

1:38 Speaker 3: So much more productive and beautiful, no kidding, much healthier

1:44 Speaker 3: for the song indeed, Yes.

1:46 Speaker 1: And I love Brandon's band. Vigil is absolutely amazing.

1:49 Speaker 4: They're very good, absolutely heavy.

1:51 Speaker 1: But so Jesse. When you were on with us, before

1:54 Speaker 1: I think you you had released you had released a

1:57 Speaker 1: couple of songs I think as singles or refreshed my memory.

2:00 Speaker 2: So this entire project is being produced by myself and Caleb,

2:06 Speaker 2: and I had released two singles basically to just work

2:10 Speaker 2: out the kinks leading up to the EP, because I

2:14 Speaker 2: didn't know what I was doing now I'm my own

2:18 Speaker 2: record producer in addition, in addition to being the singer, songwriter,

2:23 Speaker 2: musician and all of it. Yeah, so I did work

2:26 Speaker 2: out all the kinks. We released Stay Anywhere and Dear

2:29 Speaker 2: Baby Gene first, and those two songs are on the EPA,

2:35 Speaker 2: along with On Your Toes, Getting Nowhere and Lost in

2:39 Speaker 2: It All.

2:40 Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember, yeah, you played it because last time

2:42 Speaker 1: you hear you played live, and I think you had

2:43 Speaker 1: played Dear Baby Jeen live in studio.

2:46 Speaker 2: You played the recording Dear Baby Gene I had played

2:50 Speaker 2: On Your Toes and Superhero Toys.

2:53 Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah right, okay, yeah, it becomes a blur.

2:56 Speaker 5: You know what.

2:57 Speaker 1: Dear Baby Gen, though, stands out in my mind because

2:59 Speaker 1: I remember you talking about saying, you know, someone was

3:00 Speaker 1: going to be mad when they heard it or very interesting.

3:03 Speaker 1: So I have to ask you a follow up question.

3:05 Speaker 1: I am a journalist, after all, were they?

3:09 Speaker 2: I don't know. We haven't talked about it. This person

3:11 Speaker 2: is very close to me in a in a family

3:14 Speaker 2: kind of way, and we get along just fine.

3:17 Speaker 1: Now that's good.

3:18 Speaker 2: We get along just fine. But my art is my art.

3:20 Speaker 2: I released I wrote the song two years ago. We

3:23 Speaker 2: released it and that you know, would I do like

3:29 Speaker 2: instead of getting angry or sad and I just put

3:33 Speaker 2: it all into my music. So you know, you ever

3:35 Speaker 2: want to know what I'm thinking, just listen to my

3:37 Speaker 2: latest my latest releases.

3:40 Speaker 1: Well, it's like we talk about this comes up all

3:42 Speaker 1: the time on the show. How I mean, isn't that

3:44 Speaker 1: kind of the best way to work through things is

3:46 Speaker 1: through creativity? Oh yeah, I mean, I mean what better

3:48 Speaker 1: therapy is there than that? Then then taking something, especially

3:51 Speaker 1: if it's something really negative, something that maybe has caused

3:53 Speaker 1: trauma anything at all, and creating something from it. I mean,

3:56 Speaker 1: that's what's better than that. You know.

3:58 Speaker 2: That's how this whole thing happened. Yeah, that's how this

4:00 Speaker 2: whole thing happened. Last year twenty twenty four, I had

4:04 Speaker 2: a very turbulent twenty twenty four. I won't for you

4:07 Speaker 2: with the details, but it was a very sad, sad

4:10 Speaker 2: time in my life. And uh, I had stopped playing

4:14 Speaker 2: music and it was I was in I was in

4:18 Speaker 2: a bad place. And around December January ish, this guy

4:25 Speaker 2: just said, enough, dude, enough, let's get back in the studio.

4:30 Speaker 2: Let's get these songs going. Because we had we had

4:32 Speaker 2: a bunch of material from from before that we were

4:38 Speaker 2: working on, and that's what I did, and music was

4:41 Speaker 2: my therapy. I'm, you know, doing a lot better now.

4:45 Speaker 2: I'm on I'm on fire right now. I'm like I

4:48 Speaker 2: was on the radio in Nashua the day after the release.

4:52 Speaker 2: I was pumped, and I'm just the music saved me.

4:59 Speaker 2: The music saved because I was not not in a

5:01 Speaker 2: good way.

5:02 Speaker 3: And Caleb, I've seen them before and after I can attest.

5:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was tough love too. He wasn't nice about it.

5:08 Speaker 4: No, I wasn't.

5:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't.

5:10 Speaker 3: But I was like, you, you are too good of

5:12 Speaker 3: a songwriter to not be doing this and doing it

5:16 Speaker 3: with you know.

5:17 Speaker 4: The full effort that it requires to do it.

5:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I've been basically since I stopped kind

5:24 Speaker 3: of doing all political things, I've been doing music pretty

5:27 Speaker 3: much full time.

5:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, name comes up a lot on the show.

5:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm sure it does. Yeah, I do get

5:33 Speaker 3: around at this point, you know. I uh, I've been

5:37 Speaker 3: been doing it, and I've been trying to be kind

5:40 Speaker 3: of a side man for not just Jesse, but as

5:43 Speaker 3: many people as I can to try to, you know,

5:45 Speaker 3: find people who I think, man, they're doing something really

5:48 Speaker 3: nice and let's let's take it. And that's actually the whole,

5:51 Speaker 3: the whole impetus for Hatchet, Acs and Saw, which is

5:53 Speaker 3: kind of this is the first time we're kind of

5:55 Speaker 3: publicizing this.

5:56 Speaker 2: Week we saw.

5:58 Speaker 3: We've softly launched it. Now today is kind of the

6:02 Speaker 3: I guess the world premiere. But we're not trying to

6:05 Speaker 3: solicit a whole lot of clients right now. We we

6:07 Speaker 3: kind of want to focus on just people we know locally,

6:10 Speaker 3: who you know, are producing really good original art. And

6:16 Speaker 3: and you know, the impetus for that was these two songs,

6:19 Speaker 3: these the two singles that that Jesse released, but specifically

6:23 Speaker 3: Dear Baby Gene. For me at least, was listening to that,

6:27 Speaker 3: listening to the quality of what we put out and

6:31 Speaker 3: and and what that song was, and and it got

6:35 Speaker 3: me thinking, I'm thinking, like, how can we take this

6:37 Speaker 3: what we're doing right now, Jesse and I and turn

6:40 Speaker 3: this into a business model and apply it to well

6:44 Speaker 3: beyond just the two of us. And you know, I mean,

6:47 Speaker 3: I obviously I have some selfish motivations.

6:50 Speaker 4: Eventually I would like.

6:50 Speaker 3: To record or re record some of my own tunes,

6:53 Speaker 3: which are as of yet unreleased, but I I principally

6:56 Speaker 3: do want to do this to get you know, other

6:59 Speaker 3: very talented artists like you know uh a band that

7:03 Speaker 3: I currently play with, Crank and Wagon. You know, we're

7:07 Speaker 3: eventually going to record some sort of of album I'm

7:11 Speaker 3: sure in the next year, and you know, we we

7:14 Speaker 3: want to get that out, but we also want to

7:16 Speaker 3: get out like Cosmic Blossom. If you're not familiar with

7:19 Speaker 3: Nick Burns and in the the genius of of that

7:24 Speaker 3: that group and the music that they put out, get familiar.

7:28 Speaker 2: But the Cosmic Blossom absolutely and and.

7:31 Speaker 3: One of the playing is oh yeah, I I've talked

7:34 Speaker 3: with Nick. He's going to be doing the artwork for

7:37 Speaker 3: Hatchet Acts and so cool, but we've both discussed that

7:41 Speaker 3: with him, but also getting Cosmic Blossom in to do

7:46 Speaker 3: one of my tunes. So I've got a very funky

7:49 Speaker 3: tune that I think that they would do very well with.

7:51 Speaker 3: And yeah, it's very tentative. I know Meg is you

7:54 Speaker 3: know Meg and Nick. Of course they're going to have

7:56 Speaker 3: their child very soon for uh early congratulates to.

8:00 Speaker 1: Them my gratulations.

8:01 Speaker 2: I saw Meg.

8:02 Speaker 4: Yesterday at Troutstock.

8:03 Speaker 3: She was rocking out with the phut the young one

8:06 Speaker 3: in there, so that kid's gonna come out rocking.

8:08 Speaker 1: So yeah, very cool.

8:10 Speaker 4: But anyhow, you know.

8:12 Speaker 2: It's actually really it's funny we're talking about cosmic because

8:16 Speaker 2: Nick is actually on the song On Your Toes. He

8:21 Speaker 2: plays the lead guitar and he absolutely that he transformed

8:26 Speaker 2: that tune and it was it was one of the

8:30 Speaker 2: It was the first song that actually I was like, yep,

8:34 Speaker 2: I'm not just releasing singles. This is gonna be an ep.

8:38 Speaker 2: The song is about my daughter. It's a beautiful, beautiful

8:42 Speaker 2: like ode to dancing. She my daughter's a ballerina. She

8:46 Speaker 2: she dances on point shoes and for those that don't

8:49 Speaker 2: know what that is, it's it's like their little pieces

8:52 Speaker 2: of wood that that's how the ballerinas spin the way

8:55 Speaker 2: they do that go in the bottom of their shoes.

8:57 Speaker 2: And the song was about how nervous she was about

9:01 Speaker 2: getting on that, you know, and learning it, and then

9:05 Speaker 2: the first time that I actually saw her do it,

9:07 Speaker 2: and it was I mean, she's my daughter, so I'm biased,

9:12 Speaker 2: but she's a magnificent person to begin with and a

9:15 Speaker 2: wonderful dancer, and it was the first time that I

9:18 Speaker 2: saw her dance on her toes, and this song started

9:20 Speaker 2: off as just me an acoustic I remember, Jen, you

9:23 Speaker 2: said that was the one you liked the most when

9:25 Speaker 2: I was here last, and so I was like, all right,

9:31 Speaker 2: going along with the turbulence from twenty twenty four. There

9:35 Speaker 2: was a breakup involved, and there was a song that

9:37 Speaker 2: I wrote for the person that I'm no longer with,

9:40 Speaker 2: and I didn't want to play that song anymore. But

9:44 Speaker 2: the drums Seth Cedars, huge shout out to Seth Cedars,

9:48 Speaker 2: our drummer mad man, he's the best in the business.

9:53 Speaker 2: But the drum track was so good. I'm like, I

9:55 Speaker 2: can't get.

9:55 Speaker 1: Rid of these drums right right?

9:57 Speaker 2: What am I going to do? And it just so

10:00 Speaker 2: happens that the chords to the prior song and my

10:04 Speaker 2: daughter's song are the same chords. So I was like,

10:07 Speaker 2: all right, let me see if I can work something

10:09 Speaker 2: out here. So I literally went in, chopped his drums

10:13 Speaker 2: tracks up and moved things around, and it worked perfectly

10:17 Speaker 2: with the acoustic guitar on the bass, and that's what

10:19 Speaker 2: I thought it was gonna be, just this acoustic tune.

10:22 Speaker 2: And then we had Peter Davis from No More Blue

10:24 Speaker 2: Tomorrows come in and play lead guitar on Dear Baby Jean.

10:28 Speaker 2: So I'm like, all right, maybe I'm going to ride

10:29 Speaker 2: this train a little bit, which is exactly what I did.

10:32 Speaker 2: I have so many wonderful musicians that were on these tracks,

10:37 Speaker 2: and so I was like, you know, I was chatting

10:39 Speaker 2: with Peter and Nick one day and I said to Nick,

10:42 Speaker 2: I was like, I got a great song for your style.

10:44 Speaker 2: You want to come down, And I mean, Nick, Nick

10:47 Speaker 2: Burns is a beast, and I'm kind of making this

10:50 Speaker 2: whole interview about Nick, but but we love you, Nick, indeed,

10:53 Speaker 2: we love you. But he came down, and I didn't

10:58 Speaker 2: know what he was going to do. Cosmic is a

11:02 Speaker 2: very freeformed band, where my stuff is like, it's not intricate,

11:08 Speaker 2: but there are parts, you know. So Nick came down,

11:11 Speaker 2: put down his pedal board, turned the guitar on. He's like,

11:16 Speaker 2: you got an amp. I'm like, oh yeah, it was

11:18 Speaker 2: actually Chris Drew's amp. Chris Drew and we plug Nick

11:23 Speaker 2: in and he he just transformed the tune and when

11:28 Speaker 2: you play it, you'll be able to hear it. But

11:31 Speaker 2: he just transformed the song into something that I never

11:34 Speaker 2: thought it would ever be. So I was like, all right, well,

11:37 Speaker 2: I got this great tune, but why stop there. Caleb's like,

11:41 Speaker 2: this needs keys, great, put some keys on it. I'm like,

11:44 Speaker 2: all right, my song's done. This is a beautiful, beautiful song.

11:48 Speaker 2: But then I was talking to my buddy Patrick Matthews,

11:51 Speaker 2: who plays saxophone, and I was like, you know what,

11:54 Speaker 2: maybe some saxophone on this song. And then Patrick came

11:57 Speaker 2: down again just like Nick. Uh super pros. These guys,

12:02 Speaker 2: like everybody that's been involved in this uh, just really professional.

12:06 Speaker 2: And Patrick came down and basically transformed the song again,

12:10 Speaker 2: and I was like, okayanntes, Yeah, I think Nick's session

12:17 Speaker 2: was was just around the same amount of time.

12:19 Speaker 5: Just uh.

12:20 Speaker 3: I mean in the actual taking, the tracking was like

12:24 Speaker 3: very little of that it was And I.

12:26 Speaker 2: Had never I don't think you have either. We had

12:27 Speaker 2: never really recorded saxophone before, so we didn't really know

12:32 Speaker 2: what we were doing in our in our area. But

12:36 Speaker 2: and so finally song's done. That's it. But then my niece,

12:41 Speaker 2: Josie Rutsteam. Josie she's a she's a professional actress. She

12:46 Speaker 2: is sixteen years old. She's getting leads and all the

12:49 Speaker 2: plays around town. She's performed at the Palace Theater right

12:51 Speaker 2: down the road. She played me something on her phone

12:57 Speaker 2: of her hitting these high notes because her voice is

12:59 Speaker 2: like off the chart. So I'm like, all right, well,

13:01 Speaker 2: I guess this song isn't done yet. And she came

13:04 Speaker 2: down and recorded the track, and it is just the

13:08 Speaker 2: way the way it came out brings tears to my eyes, because,

13:11 Speaker 2: like I, I sent it off to master, to my

13:15 Speaker 2: mastering engineer, Chris Cormier, and and he sent it back

13:19 Speaker 2: to me and it was like hearing my song for

13:20 Speaker 2: the first time, and it was just it still brings

13:24 Speaker 2: tears to my eyes. I love that song, not just

13:27 Speaker 2: because I wrote it, but because of what everybody else did.

13:29 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean the layering and the production of

13:33 Speaker 3: that tune. It did start very simple, as Jesse described,

13:37 Speaker 3: but it didn't. It was never at any point overproduced.

13:40 Speaker 3: It was just kind of like it was a very

13:42 Speaker 3: natural progression of him kind of hearing like, oh, that's

13:46 Speaker 3: a very nice addition in an element.

13:48 Speaker 2: What else?

13:49 Speaker 4: But but is there more? Is there more?

13:52 Speaker 2: And will it? Will it not? Promise it's done?

13:55 Speaker 1: I promise?

13:57 Speaker 4: Will it not sound overdone?

13:58 Speaker 3: And it's not a tune that demands orchestral arrangements or

14:02 Speaker 3: anything crazy like that. But those auxiliary elements, you know,

14:06 Speaker 3: the saxophone, the woodwinds and and the the guitar that

14:10 Speaker 3: that was layered on it just it really does make

14:13 Speaker 3: that song. Yeah, yeah, and you know, I mean I

14:17 Speaker 3: I don't want to toot his horn too much, you know,

14:19 Speaker 3: can my head my head?

14:21 Speaker 2: Possibly right.

14:23 Speaker 3: Jesse is an excellent songwriter, and when he is nudged to,

14:28 Speaker 3: you know, to do things and and and consider additional elements,

14:33 Speaker 3: he makes a lot of great choices.

14:34 Speaker 1: Well, very good, Well I think we should play it.

14:37 Speaker 1: Has this been on the radio yet?

14:38 Speaker 2: This has not been on the radio yet.

14:40 Speaker 1: This is not well you know what that means.

14:42 Speaker 2: I know what that means.

14:44 Speaker 1: All right, here it is. This is the world radio

14:47 Speaker 1: premiere of On Your Toes from Jesse Rutstein. You are

14:51 Speaker 1: listening to UM and H.

14:54 Speaker 2: World premiere.

15:14 Speaker 6: Bessa can't be real, but there's a lot upon They

15:20 Speaker 6: look at me. They all to be odd. She could

15:33 Speaker 6: will walking touching the tree.

15:37 Speaker 7: And we touched you.

15:43 Speaker 5: That soli dancing If.

15:48 Speaker 7: I knew, they now said, it's side to watching the world.

15:55 Speaker 7: You first dance with me. I had to dance, can't

16:00 Speaker 7: you said? Love?

16:11 Speaker 8: Mo.

16:27 Speaker 7: Now, I can't believe Je's reading.

16:31 Speaker 2: Looking man, I can never be.

16:39 Speaker 5: I see a woman, not a girl and a can.

16:42 Speaker 7: Man were a time silence.

16:45 Speaker 9: The day came into my mother. I've been so proud

16:56 Speaker 9: that Sollie dancing on your tour. I'm a man to

17:03 Speaker 9: say its to watch a gol wouldn't you first dance?

17:09 Speaker 7: Let me have to old James. Can't you go? She said? Yeah? Hello?

17:39 Speaker 7: Who man? Saw you dancing all your time? One thing?

17:46 Speaker 7: Now said it?

17:48 Speaker 10: So who I'm sorry dancing?

17:56 Speaker 7: I get so so lots of lots lots of.

18:42 Speaker 1: Oh that came out really really well on your toes.

18:45 Speaker 1: Jesse Rudstein here with us live in studio, and Caleb

18:49 Speaker 1: Diler here, Caleb Dier. It's like, I think I do

18:53 Speaker 1: that sometimes I create amalgams of words in my brain

18:55 Speaker 1: if I'm talking too fast. So what did what did

18:57 Speaker 1: I just say? Dialer? Yeah, Caleb and Dyer Dialer.

19:03 Speaker 2: I do that.

19:04 Speaker 1: I do that a lot. So Caleb Dyer here with

19:08 Speaker 1: us in studio as well. And yeah, that that did

19:11 Speaker 1: come out. That came out fantastic, Thank you, absolutely absolutely,

19:16 Speaker 1: And the EP is out on all those streaming platforms.

19:18 Speaker 2: Correct anywhere you can stream. I didn't even know Pandora

19:21 Speaker 2: was still a thing until the other day. I was

19:24 Speaker 2: talking to somebody who's like, no, I still do Pandora.

19:26 Speaker 2: I'm like, pull it up, see I see if I'm

19:28 Speaker 2: on there, and sure enough, oh you go? Yeah, so

19:31 Speaker 2: yeah you could. You can stream it anywhere Spotify, Apple

19:34 Speaker 2: Music YouTube. YouTube is where I'm doing the best right now.

19:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, Spotify.

19:40 Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like an old man when

19:42 Speaker 2: I opened Spotify. I'm not crazy about it. I just

19:46 Speaker 2: I didn't get it at first. But uh, my my daughter,

19:50 Speaker 2: who that song was about, had to commote, like because

19:52 Speaker 2: social media is such a huge part of what I'm doing,

19:56 Speaker 2: but I didn't know anything about TikTok or Instagram. And yeah,

20:00 Speaker 2: my daughter had to come over and she's she's credited

20:03 Speaker 2: for marketing on the release.

20:06 Speaker 8: She is.

20:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, she came over. She came over and she showed

20:08 Speaker 2: me how to how to TikTok and how to Instagram

20:11 Speaker 2: and yeah, and uh, you know, cause I just scroll

20:14 Speaker 2: through Facebook. That was my extent of social media. But

20:17 Speaker 2: it is such a big part of this process and

20:21 Speaker 2: I didn't realize that when I when I started this

20:23 Speaker 2: whole thing. But I'm getting I'm getting there. I went

20:26 Speaker 2: from having no TikTok at all to twenty six hundred followers,

20:30 Speaker 2: which I know isn't a ton in the world of

20:32 Speaker 2: being an influencer, but it's it's, you know, I'm getting

20:37 Speaker 2: some some solid views off of that. People like the

20:40 Speaker 2: videos of my dog more than the videos of me singing.

20:42 Speaker 2: Oh really, so I just started I just started making

20:44 Speaker 2: videos of me singing to my dog.

20:46 Speaker 1: Here you go smart, that's smart. Yeah.

20:49 Speaker 2: Yeah.

20:50 Speaker 1: In a couple of minutes, we're gonna play another track,

20:52 Speaker 1: Getting Nowhere.

20:53 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, getting nowhere.

20:55 Speaker 1: We should talk about that one. That's that's and that's

20:57 Speaker 1: that's a very different vibe than.

20:58 Speaker 2: Oh, totally different, totally different. I Uh, this is the

21:03 Speaker 2: one I'm the most nervous about. I'm nervous about it

21:06 Speaker 2: because people could easily take take it the wrong way.

21:10 Speaker 2: It's it's so that the last song was very you know,

21:13 Speaker 2: beautiful saxophone about your kid, Oh what a nice guy.

21:18 Speaker 2: Getting nowhere is quite the opposite. It's super gritty, almost

21:22 Speaker 2: pop punk, heavily influenced by like the heavy sublime style

21:28 Speaker 2: late nineties vibe, and it's about it's about politics. So

21:37 Speaker 2: so I'm a middle of the road kind of guy.

21:40 Speaker 2: I I I believe in a lot of things that

21:42 Speaker 2: the left says and a lot of things that the

21:44 Speaker 2: right says. And I'm in the middle. So when I

21:46 Speaker 2: talk about politics, everybody hates me. Yeah, yeah, you know,

21:52 Speaker 2: I've seen some of your posts, you know, and so so.

21:55 Speaker 2: But that's what the song's about. The song is about

21:58 Speaker 2: people going back and forth on social media and saying,

22:02 Speaker 2: like writing off family members because of their political views.

22:06 Speaker 2: And if you did this, then you're no longer my friend.

22:09 Speaker 2: And if you did this, then you're you know. I

22:11 Speaker 2: got an uncle who doesn't talk to me because I

22:13 Speaker 2: don't agree with everything he says politically. Yeah, and I

22:17 Speaker 2: love the guy, you know what I mean. And and

22:19 Speaker 2: and then when you run into these people that you're

22:21 Speaker 2: like being a keyboard warrior with in real life and

22:24 Speaker 2: have a real conversation with them, you start to get

22:28 Speaker 2: to get somewhere right, you know. But as long as

22:31 Speaker 2: you're yelling at each other on your phone, yeah, and

22:34 Speaker 2: and this media driven division, which I can't get into

22:37 Speaker 2: without sharing my political views, which I don't want to do.

22:41 Speaker 2: But as long as we're going back and forth with

22:44 Speaker 2: each other and you're stupid. No, you're stupid. Then we're

22:46 Speaker 2: gonna get nowhere. And that's what the song's about, because,

22:49 Speaker 2: like my my biggest issue with the political climate right

22:52 Speaker 2: now is that people are divided for no reason. We're

22:57 Speaker 2: divided based on on Facebook memes and half the people

23:02 Speaker 2: that are talking about these things don't even really look

23:05 Speaker 2: into the issue. They just get their news from from memes.

23:09 Speaker 2: And and I'm not trying to insult anybody. It's more

23:12 Speaker 2: along the lines of if we keep arguing amongst ourselves

23:16 Speaker 2: about nothing, we're gonna get nowhere. And that's what the

23:19 Speaker 2: song's about. And it's very gritty, it's not polished, which

23:23 Speaker 2: drove him nuts nuts.

23:26 Speaker 3: It didn't drive me nuts. Well, I under I understand that,

23:30 Speaker 3: you know, there are different production styles, but it was

23:34 Speaker 3: it was at times I was listening to it and

23:37 Speaker 3: I'm thinking, like, I understand the intent of this song

23:40 Speaker 3: is to get a really punk vibe, but there were

23:43 Speaker 3: there were some things like balancing right wise, the essentially

23:49 Speaker 3: the there were certain frequencies in the mid range where

23:52 Speaker 3: it's like conflictory right, it's like really really saturated, and

23:57 Speaker 3: that is part of the vibe. But also trying to

23:59 Speaker 3: get the separation of the instruments so you hear everything,

24:03 Speaker 3: but you know, also still have the vibe of everything

24:06 Speaker 3: being kind of like really loud in face.

24:09 Speaker 4: Which, yeah, it's hard to pull off.

24:11 Speaker 2: I think we I think we did all right.

24:13 Speaker 4: You know, I think I think we did all right.

24:16 Speaker 3: You know you of course we'll hear it in a

24:18 Speaker 3: couple of minutes, but you know, it is really loud

24:21 Speaker 3: and it is really in your face.

24:24 Speaker 2: The idea that I was trying to get at with

24:26 Speaker 2: the whole vibe because the music needs to go along

24:30 Speaker 2: with the lyrics. It's not just it's not just the

24:32 Speaker 2: background so I can get my message out. I wanted

24:36 Speaker 2: it to sound garage bandish. I wanted it to sound

24:41 Speaker 2: like you're going to the bar and seeing the band

24:45 Speaker 2: and the drums aren't miked so that the symbols are

24:47 Speaker 2: just like cutting through the whole mix, and it's like,

24:50 Speaker 2: you know, like when when your buddy who's in a band,

24:53 Speaker 2: it takes a video and says, hey, look at my band,

24:56 Speaker 2: how do we sound? And you're all you hear is right?

24:59 Speaker 3: It's his most of that as we could get while

25:01 Speaker 3: still being a professional release audio.

25:05 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

25:09 Speaker 1: I I kind of took what what you were saying.

25:11 Speaker 1: That's what I took from the lyrics when I listened

25:13 Speaker 1: to it. You know, so I I understood and I

25:16 Speaker 1: and I understand too about you know, like, uh, like

25:18 Speaker 1: I have a family member who sends me a lot

25:20 Speaker 1: of angry text messages.

25:21 Speaker 2: And yeah, you know, it's so it's silly, it's so silly.

25:26 Speaker 1: I've never seen it like this.

25:27 Speaker 11: Yeah.

25:28 Speaker 1: I don't even argue about politics on social media.

25:30 Speaker 2: I post in ghost Oh I did, I know you do,

25:33 Speaker 2: and I appreciate, but this, this's there's a couple people

25:36 Speaker 2: that are always commenting and always disagreeing. But so so

25:40 Speaker 2: a full disclosure. I was that guy.

25:42 Speaker 4: I was.

25:43 Speaker 2: I was like really upset during COVID. Uh not like

25:47 Speaker 2: the first year we did we had to do to

25:48 Speaker 2: be safe, but then you know we I was. I

25:51 Speaker 2: was working in a bar and all the adults would

25:54 Speaker 2: be out, huge crowds of people, no masks, but they

25:56 Speaker 2: made my kids still wear a masks mask for a year.

25:59 Speaker 8: So I was.

26:00 Speaker 2: I wrote a mask, mask, mask, and and I realized

26:03 Speaker 2: what an idiot I look like. I look like an

26:05 Speaker 2: idiot arguing with somebody about something that that really didn't matter.

26:09 Speaker 2: And and I, you know, I I hope I didn't

26:12 Speaker 2: lose any friends, but there you know, there are people.

26:14 Speaker 1: That you probably did though. I mean that's the thing

26:15 Speaker 1: that sucks.

26:16 Speaker 2: Well, and they weren't a friend to begin with. But

26:19 Speaker 2: but you know what that if if I lost, I'm

26:21 Speaker 2: losing people and we're getting nowhere, you know. So that's

26:24 Speaker 2: what the song's about, you know.

26:25 Speaker 1: So well, I think we should give this a spend.

26:27 Speaker 2: I like it a lot awesome.

26:29 Speaker 1: Now this is which one of one of the songs

26:31 Speaker 1: we're playing today has been played on uh in Nasha?

26:33 Speaker 1: Is that this one?

26:34 Speaker 2: No that's lost in it all?

26:35 Speaker 1: Lost in it all?

26:36 Speaker 2: Well fai then.

26:37 Speaker 1: Okay, so this one's another World radio premiere is yes, sir, Oh,

26:41 Speaker 1: well you know what that means.

26:42 Speaker 2: I know what that means listening to umh World premiere

27:18 Speaker 2: counting like me and.

27:20 Speaker 11: If you don't, you got caught like men of Prisms

27:24 Speaker 11: sleep see you don't.

27:26 Speaker 2: We got to me.

27:29 Speaker 5: And I'm just stood another classes clown out.

27:33 Speaker 11: Then on me the Wizard, it smells surprising, I'm classics.

27:37 Speaker 7: Land on me it's no fucat and walk can wake

27:44 Speaker 7: ad and the well lay the las virtues in b

27:49 Speaker 7: the city, he said, not walk so we're aad.

27:56 Speaker 11: And no, well know we got for you, Betty, sit

28:15 Speaker 11: to talk to you about my concern for Russ sur Bible.

28:19 Speaker 11: The climate is born, Justice City, the Lizard of the

28:25 Speaker 11: waiting to this side the arival. It sounds a stressing,

28:32 Speaker 11: not a mysefer.

28:36 Speaker 7: Campan.

28:37 Speaker 5: So my campaign game, your mind start.

28:42 Speaker 11: Up, fling, I'll be gone and came back to slave.

28:53 Speaker 7: Can jump you can you believe God?

29:00 Speaker 11: Wait?

29:00 Speaker 7: God even better than he's got how card and Walm

29:08 Speaker 7: can wake and nowhere.

29:11 Speaker 12: Else it's laying alas, but is it rock the city?

29:16 Speaker 12: It's not hour not long so Wick and now no

29:23 Speaker 12: we got on you that decency.

29:33 Speaker 7: And Noel can now can nowhere?

30:03 Speaker 1: Whoops, there we go, all right, Getty nowhere Caleb, I

30:06 Speaker 1: mean Jesse Rutstein. But Caleb was talking a lot about

30:10 Speaker 1: the song.

30:12 Speaker 2: I mean he played, he played guitar, played some guitar

30:15 Speaker 2: on it, yeah, which is unusual.

30:16 Speaker 3: I'm not really a guitar player very much, but really yeah,

30:19 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's interesting on a couple of

30:21 Speaker 3: these tunes on even though the one that was played

30:25 Speaker 3: before getting.

30:25 Speaker 4: Nowhere the on your toes. So the main guitar lick

30:29 Speaker 4: that's in that was actually was a creation of mine, right, Oh.

30:33 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, Caleb brought the lick for the tune on

30:37 Speaker 2: the verses and I not not nixt part like we

30:41 Speaker 2: that we had Nick play that that part obviously with

30:44 Speaker 2: with my track, but yeah, a lot of the collaboration

30:47 Speaker 2: and production, like I couldn't have done it without Caleb Dier,

30:51 Speaker 2: Like I just I couldn't have done it without him,

30:55 Speaker 2: like like even talking about opening up the space and

30:58 Speaker 2: the actual mixing. Because people hear a song and they're like, wow,

31:02 Speaker 2: you play guitar. That's cool. They don't realize I did

31:04 Speaker 2: that guitar track twenty seven and they don't realize that

31:08 Speaker 2: I spent hours just listening to one snippet of vocal

31:13 Speaker 2: to just get the level right. And I don't want

31:15 Speaker 2: them to care about that. I just want them to

31:17 Speaker 2: hear the song. And I talked to somebody yesterday who

31:20 Speaker 2: was like, hey, I listen to your stuff. I didn't

31:22 Speaker 2: really like sit down though, so I'm sorry. She's like,

31:24 Speaker 2: it was just on in the background, and I was like, no,

31:27 Speaker 2: that's great, that's great. That's what music is it. It

31:31 Speaker 2: can be super important to somebody like me, but it

31:33 Speaker 2: could just add a little joy to somebody's life that

31:37 Speaker 2: doesn't play you know what I mean, Like it's the

31:39 Speaker 2: universal language.

31:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, No, that's great, that's great. In a

31:44 Speaker 1: couple of minutes, we'll also play out Lost in It All,

31:46 Speaker 1: the track that you did with Faith and and that's

31:48 Speaker 1: such a great song too. I'm curious what's the live

31:52 Speaker 1: situation like for you these days? Are you playing a

31:54 Speaker 1: lot of shows or have you been so.

31:55 Speaker 2: More on the EP or I've been the laser focused

31:59 Speaker 2: on the studio work. Yeah, it's kind of funny. I

32:02 Speaker 2: we were joking around because I'm not playing lot. I

32:05 Speaker 2: am playing tomorrow at Terminus in the pop up event.

32:09 Speaker 2: Hopefully the weather holds up so we can actually be

32:11 Speaker 2: outside the way it was planned, but if not, we're

32:15 Speaker 2: going to be playing indoors. A lot of great artists,

32:18 Speaker 2: a lot of great musicians, you know, just Terminus doing

32:21 Speaker 2: what Terminus does. You know, upplug them. I'll talk about

32:25 Speaker 2: them as much as I'm talking about Nick Burns.

32:28 Speaker 1: But that's where Jenny and I met you, by the way, Yes, yes,

32:32 Speaker 1: at the earlier this year at the open house.

32:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was with Quincy Yes, yeah, well Quincy.

32:38 Speaker 1: Raymond or Quincy Lord Lord. Yeah, I never know which

32:41 Speaker 1: to call him.

32:43 Speaker 2: But so as far as the live situation, I am

32:48 Speaker 2: booking for twenty twenty six. The full length is coming

32:52 Speaker 2: out on December seventeenth. It's a song called Superhero Toys. Ye,

32:56 Speaker 2: all of my the dates that I released stuff are

32:58 Speaker 2: strategically placed. The song Superhero Toys is an ode to

33:03 Speaker 2: my son and being the dad of a boy, which is,

33:07 Speaker 2: you know, very tough at times, like like, am I

33:10 Speaker 2: doing the right thing? Am I pointing him in the

33:11 Speaker 2: right direction? Am I giving him what he needs on

33:15 Speaker 2: my end to be able to make his own decisions?

33:18 Speaker 1: And you know that's a great song too. You play that?

33:20 Speaker 2: Yeah?

33:21 Speaker 1: Use last time You're here?

33:22 Speaker 2: He did just yes, yeah, he did. Just you know,

33:25 Speaker 2: he's in his first year of being a United States Marine.

33:30 Speaker 1: Wow.

33:30 Speaker 2: So my contribution I feel like I did all right,

33:34 Speaker 2: you know, but it's very scary.

33:36 Speaker 1: Yeah.

33:36 Speaker 2: So December seventeenth is the release and that is the

33:39 Speaker 2: title track of the release, and it also happens to

33:42 Speaker 2: be his birthday. Oh nice, So that's why it's And

33:45 Speaker 2: then in twenty twenty six is after I have the

33:47 Speaker 2: full length release, after I've been on the radio. I'm

33:51 Speaker 2: in people's ears, I got the social media going, there's

33:53 Speaker 2: going to be plenty of merchandise. That's when I'm gonna

33:56 Speaker 2: get out and start gigging. So it's it's it's all

33:59 Speaker 2: a plan. And uh, the the EP's been out for

34:03 Speaker 2: a week and so far I'm gaining some serious momentum.

34:07 Speaker 2: So I am beyond pumped. I'm beyond thankful to everybody

34:12 Speaker 2: who's taken the time to listen, everybody who's taken the

34:15 Speaker 2: time to be involved, including yourself, you know, like like

34:19 Speaker 2: hitting me up. And so yeah, that's that's that's the

34:22 Speaker 2: plan for the live stuff. Okay, okay, cool, cool, So

34:25 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, watch out, You're going to be seeing

34:28 Speaker 2: my face.

34:28 Speaker 4: It helps me out a lot too, because my twenty

34:30 Speaker 4: twenty five is kind of he's.

34:32 Speaker 2: Book solid and he's in my bad.

34:33 Speaker 4: I'm not solidly hooked, but I do have a lot

34:35 Speaker 4: going on.

34:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. And you've got the we should

34:38 Speaker 1: we talked about it a little bit, but we should

34:40 Speaker 1: circle back to it, the label because you know, and

34:43 Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, a lot of people

34:45 Speaker 1: in the scene listen to the show too, So we

34:46 Speaker 1: want to make sure everybody knows, you know, if people

34:48 Speaker 1: want to get involved, if they want to sell your music,

34:49 Speaker 1: if they want.

34:50 Speaker 2: To We don't have the only thing that I'm worried

34:52 Speaker 2: about right now talk because I want to talk about

34:54 Speaker 2: I want to get in people's ear. But we don't

34:56 Speaker 2: have a website or any social media going right now.

34:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of that's almost deliberate in a way.

35:02 Speaker 3: Well one Facebook kind of put me in in nazi

35:05 Speaker 3: Nazi mode, so I can't can't create a new page.

35:09 Speaker 3: But but setting that aside, that it's kind of strategic

35:13 Speaker 3: because we kind of don't have the ability. It's a partnership,

35:16 Speaker 3: so it's just Jesse and I. We don't really have

35:18 Speaker 3: the ability to be taking on a lot of people,

35:21 Speaker 3: and we know that there's demand because of course all

35:24 Speaker 3: of our friends are like, you know, like when when

35:27 Speaker 3: can we when can we do this?

35:29 Speaker 1: This done?

35:30 Speaker 3: Because you know, there are a number of people who

35:32 Speaker 3: have heard the Jesse releases and you know they're they're

35:36 Speaker 3: they're very, very eager, you know, so we we.

35:40 Speaker 4: Kind of want to be selective.

35:41 Speaker 3: We've got one young, lovely lady Sarah Bird, who's in

35:45 Speaker 3: the band dogg Eate Dog. She has, yeah, exactly, and

35:52 Speaker 3: she's an excellent musician. And I saw her yesterday and

35:55 Speaker 3: she was rocking out with the Dogs out in Greenfield.

35:58 Speaker 3: I wish, I wish, Yeah, it would have been great

36:01 Speaker 3: to have you out there. But anyhow, we want to

36:03 Speaker 3: get Sarah Burd and she's got some excellent originals of

36:06 Speaker 3: hers that are kind of more on the light side.

36:09 Speaker 3: They're not so heavy rock and roll like Dog Eate

36:11 Speaker 3: Dog as a band is. And you know, we would

36:15 Speaker 3: love to get her in and get those tunes recorded,

36:19 Speaker 3: you know, in a format that is more true to who.

36:21 Speaker 4: Sarah is as a kind of solo artist on her

36:24 Speaker 4: own right.

36:26 Speaker 3: And you know, we've spoken with her about that and

36:28 Speaker 3: and hopefully we can get her in as one of

36:30 Speaker 3: the first few test cases. Of course, I'd like to

36:33 Speaker 3: get my own band, Crank and Wagon, which is kind

36:35 Speaker 3: of not my band. I kind of just am the

36:37 Speaker 3: organist for the band. And he's yes, correct, Paul Fry

36:42 Speaker 3: is the true true leader and mastermind of that band. Indeed,

36:45 Speaker 3: Paul Fry very very astute guitar player and good good

36:50 Speaker 3: friend of mine, but so you know, we we have

36:53 Speaker 3: a bunch of these test cases that we'd like to

36:55 Speaker 3: kind of try out because we've done it with Jesse,

36:57 Speaker 3: We've proven the concept, and now we need to take

37:00 Speaker 3: this sell it hard, you know, through to the end

37:03 Speaker 3: of the year, through the album release, which is I

37:05 Speaker 3: guess technically the first official Hatchet Ax and Saw release.

37:10 Speaker 1: That will be.

37:10 Speaker 2: That will be the first Hatchet Ax and Saw release.

37:13 Speaker 3: Yes, that will be, Yeah, the first official one. And

37:16 Speaker 3: in the meantime we'll have other things kind of cooking

37:19 Speaker 3: to be released in the next year.

37:20 Speaker 1: So excellent. Oh did we talk about where that? I

37:23 Speaker 1: know we talked about it off air before the show.

37:24 Speaker 1: Did we talk on air about where the name comes from?

37:26 Speaker 4: Oh?

37:27 Speaker 2: Oh yes, so this is a cool story. Yeah, I'm

37:32 Speaker 2: a musician. No, no, really, So I love Rush. I

37:38 Speaker 2: love Rush. If how could you not love Rush? Is

37:42 Speaker 2: is the thought that I hear when people say, but

37:44 Speaker 2: but I do have a unique voice, and I do

37:47 Speaker 2: enjoy groups like the Dave Matthews Band and and and

37:50 Speaker 2: so some people will say I don't like Rush because

37:53 Speaker 2: I can't stand his voice, and I'm like, how could

37:55 Speaker 2: you not stand his voice? He's perfect, you know, So

37:59 Speaker 2: I love Rush and Caleb loves Rush, and coincidentally we didn't.

38:04 Speaker 2: So so the the one person we forgot I haven't

38:07 Speaker 2: well not forgot I haven't mentioned yet is Dave Patterson,

38:10 Speaker 2: our executive producer who runs Tree Streets, Inc. Which is

38:13 Speaker 2: where facility that's that's the studio. So we're on the

38:17 Speaker 2: Tree Streets recording and we just happened to be talking

38:21 Speaker 2: about the record label and Rush came up, and coincidentally,

38:28 Speaker 2: our favorite Rush song is Trees, both of us, so

38:32 Speaker 2: I'm like, and then we were talking about naming the

38:34 Speaker 2: record company, I'm like, Trees is really your favorite because

38:37 Speaker 2: it's just the most beaut like getting nowhere, it's a

38:40 Speaker 2: very political song about people, about about fighting over something

38:47 Speaker 2: that you can't change, you know, and that's that's what

38:49 Speaker 2: the whole song is about. And the last lyrics of

38:52 Speaker 2: the tune are Hatchet Acts and Saw and I'm like,

38:55 Speaker 2: how about we just call it Hatchet Acts and Sauce.

38:58 Speaker 3: Well more importantly, the full lyric is the trees are

39:00 Speaker 3: all kept equal by handy hate.

39:03 Speaker 1: Yeah.

39:04 Speaker 3: And now, one thing about the music business, which I

39:07 Speaker 3: don't think a lot of people understand is that there

39:09 Speaker 3: are sort of some gate keeping going on by some

39:13 Speaker 3: some shall we say, oaks, which you're you know, very

39:17 Speaker 3: large multimedia conglomerates that kind of don't let the Maples

39:21 Speaker 3: get sunlight. And whether or not it's by the design

39:26 Speaker 3: of the system or you know, no fault of their own,

39:29 Speaker 3: which I don't think it is in this particular case.

39:31 Speaker 3: I do think that they have deliberately lobbied and created

39:34 Speaker 3: this sort of system that protects themselves. Sure, but the

39:39 Speaker 3: local musicians are the Maples in that song, and they're

39:42 Speaker 3: not getting enough sunlight, and you know, hatchet actions and

39:45 Speaker 3: saw maybe you know, we're not trying to make everyone equal,

39:49 Speaker 3: but at the very least we'd like to get the

39:51 Speaker 3: Maples some sunlight.

39:53 Speaker 2: We're trying to do the exact same thing that you

39:55 Speaker 2: guys do here. Yeah, and you know you put us on.

39:59 Speaker 2: You take the time and and and do your due

40:02 Speaker 2: diligence and put the show together. And it's a great show.

40:05 Speaker 2: Like I I watch you almost every Saturday.

40:08 Speaker 1: Thank you.

40:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's great. I I forget what's the guy's name,

40:11 Speaker 2: Eli something he was on a few weeks ago.

40:16 Speaker 1: Uh, it becomes such a blur. He tours, he's a

40:19 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm sorry.

40:21 Speaker 2: Eli Love, Yeah, Eli Love. I was watching the show

40:24 Speaker 2: and I had never heard of this guy before, and

40:27 Speaker 2: I just watched him play this tune and literally, I've

40:33 Speaker 2: working on this project. I haven't listened to anybody else

40:35 Speaker 2: but myself, like a year. I'm so sick of my

40:39 Speaker 2: voice that everybody's like, wow, I like your voice. I'm like, yeah, yeah,

40:42 Speaker 2: I'm me too, I guess. But I was watching your

40:47 Speaker 2: show and I saw I saw this wonderful, wonderful musician,

40:50 Speaker 2: and I went following him. Uh and he emailed me,

40:55 Speaker 2: you know, like after I started following him, you get

40:56 Speaker 2: the email, like because he's a pro. Like I'm literally

40:59 Speaker 2: my modeling some of the marketing stuff that I'm doing

41:02 Speaker 2: after what he does smartly and h long story short,

41:06 Speaker 2: I saw new music because of you, you know. And

41:10 Speaker 2: that's what we want to bring to the area. We

41:12 Speaker 2: want to get people like like Sarah Bird, and we

41:15 Speaker 2: want to get the Cosmic Blossoms, the Dog eight Dogs.

41:18 Speaker 2: I'm talking to another really wonderful musician in the area,

41:22 Speaker 2: his name is Justin Jordan, about getting him down in

41:24 Speaker 2: the studio and we're just we're just that's what we're

41:29 Speaker 2: trying to push.

41:29 Speaker 3: Get it, Get him down there, get him recorded, get

41:32 Speaker 3: him selling it, because if we can sell it, if

41:35 Speaker 3: we can prove commercial viability, then we can actually make

41:39 Speaker 3: Nashua and Manchester Southern New Hampshire. Like you know, my

41:43 Speaker 3: my tagline for the last couple of years is I

41:46 Speaker 3: want to turn Nashua into a mini Nashville.

41:49 Speaker 4: Yeah, I want.

41:52 Speaker 2: We talked to anybody, anybody else in the country, they say,

41:54 Speaker 2: where are you from? You say Nashua. They're going to

41:56 Speaker 2: be like Nashville. Yeah, I just say Boston now yeah.

42:00 Speaker 3: And I mean for the music that I love, I

42:03 Speaker 3: play a lot of blues and rock and stuff like that.

42:06 Speaker 3: I'm actually a shameless self plug the Blues Fest on

42:09 Speaker 3: August second here in Manchester. I'll be playing there with

42:11 Speaker 3: the Craig Thomas band or it's called Bluetopia Craig Thomas

42:16 Speaker 3: and Blue Topia. But that's the music that I really love,

42:19 Speaker 3: the music that I kind of grow up, grew up

42:21 Speaker 3: listening to and and caring about. And you know, the

42:26 Speaker 3: whole idea is, at least with Hatchet, Ax and Saw,

42:29 Speaker 3: is to you know, bring local musicians who are doing it,

42:34 Speaker 3: producing original music, you know, take that to the market,

42:39 Speaker 3: prove commercial viability and and turn this you know, area

42:44 Speaker 3: into a music hub much much in the same way.

42:47 Speaker 3: And I think it's long overdue because Boston. Boston's had,

42:51 Speaker 3: you know, a very strong local music scene, but there's

42:54 Speaker 3: there's like, you know, maybe a couple a dozen recording studios,

42:58 Speaker 3: and there's even fewer action will labels that you can

43:01 Speaker 3: that you can publish through. And I mean, you know,

43:04 Speaker 3: we we have great, like again, great studios around and

43:08 Speaker 3: it's not like the facility that we're at as any better,

43:11 Speaker 3: any worse. But I think the product that we actually

43:13 Speaker 3: offer is going to be the promotion, the actual trying

43:16 Speaker 3: to get it out to market, cooperating with local you know,

43:19 Speaker 3: record distributors. There's this fellow Dan up in Laconia who

43:24 Speaker 3: owns a little record shop up there. I would love

43:27 Speaker 3: to plug the name of it. It's oh my lord,

43:31 Speaker 3: I'm so sorry Dan forgetting the name of your business.

43:34 Speaker 2: But it's a little little.

43:37 Speaker 4: Right exactly.

43:38 Speaker 3: But it's this little record shop right up in Laconia,

43:41 Speaker 3: right down the street from the theater there where they

43:43 Speaker 3: have a lot of live music acts. And I plan

43:45 Speaker 3: to partner with him get physical copies in stores around that,

43:49 Speaker 3: you know, like down and Lowell. There's there's a couple

43:52 Speaker 3: of little record shops as well, So getting the music

43:55 Speaker 3: out to the people selling it and and that that

43:58 Speaker 3: is the thing that a lot of local art just

44:00 Speaker 3: have the hardest time doing.

44:01 Speaker 4: They'll play gig after gig after gig.

44:03 Speaker 3: And they'll be grinding themselves into dust, but they don't

44:06 Speaker 3: have any sort of you know, means of passive income

44:09 Speaker 3: selling the music.

44:10 Speaker 2: Right, That's the reason why I'm not not That's the

44:12 Speaker 2: reason why I'm hanging tight on the live shows. Uh,

44:15 Speaker 2: getting the product and then then you.

44:17 Speaker 4: Use the live shows and just a product.

44:19 Speaker 2: We're going to be pushing lost in it all until

44:22 Speaker 2: until the uh till then till the full length comes out.

44:25 Speaker 2: I mean I'm gonna be sharing the other songs too,

44:27 Speaker 2: of course we're playing them today, but yeah, that is

44:30 Speaker 2: the single and then but I'm well aware that I'm

44:33 Speaker 2: not gonna look at Spotify and see myself blow up

44:36 Speaker 2: until I start playing live. But I'm gonna be killing

44:38 Speaker 2: myself in the studio if I'm trying to juggle playing

44:41 Speaker 2: live and get this all together the right way.

44:44 Speaker 4: Creative balancing acts.

44:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that makes sense. That makes a lot of sense.

44:48 Speaker 1: So in a moment, will yeah, We'll play lost in

44:51 Speaker 1: it All to close out the segment.

44:53 Speaker 2: Faith in we got to talk about faith featuring. So this,

45:00 Speaker 2: this tune, this tune was how we started this, this started.

45:04 Speaker 2: We started recording this song four years ago. I was

45:07 Speaker 2: in a band with a wonderful local musician and sound therapist.

45:13 Speaker 2: Is that the right, Yeah. So her name is Jessica

45:17 Speaker 2: Songbird of the I KAA Jessica Olsen, and we were

45:20 Speaker 2: both members of the jess Olsen Band, and I did

45:24 Speaker 2: a lot of writing and I came up with this

45:27 Speaker 2: tune about how it all started with the group. I

45:32 Speaker 2: went out saw her playing with a guy named Seth

45:36 Speaker 2: who I had never met but I knew. We played

45:38 Speaker 2: in a group called Project Mess, and that's where the

45:42 Speaker 2: lyric guy played Mess. So the whole song is the

45:47 Speaker 2: whole song is me not even playing that. It's not

45:50 Speaker 2: about me playing. It's about me going to a show,

45:53 Speaker 2: seeing this wonderful band led by a really great female

45:56 Speaker 2: artist and get lost, getting lost in the moments, you know.

46:02 Speaker 2: And so we started a band. Things didn't work out.

46:06 Speaker 2: We didn't uh, we didn't necessarily see eye to eye

46:09 Speaker 2: in the direction of the music. Which is one of

46:11 Speaker 2: the reasons that I'm a solo artist. It's I've come

46:15 Speaker 2: to terms with the fact that that if I want

46:17 Speaker 2: to do the stuff I want to do, I have

46:20 Speaker 2: to have creative control. And I'm not saying anything bad

46:23 Speaker 2: about about Jessica. She's a wonderful, wonderful human being. We

46:27 Speaker 2: just didn't she wanted to She wanted to go in

46:30 Speaker 2: one direction. I didn't want to go, so so I'm like,

46:33 Speaker 2: all right, you know. And and that he was the

46:34 Speaker 2: one who convinced me to do the solo thing. He's like,

46:37 Speaker 2: you should we should do this as you you know,

46:41 Speaker 2: and and and it obviously it takes a village. I

46:43 Speaker 2: keep plugging all these wonderful, amazing artists that are on

46:46 Speaker 2: the tracks, but I put them on the tracks, and

46:50 Speaker 2: and when they came in, they were they looked at

46:52 Speaker 2: me and they're like, all right, what do you want

46:53 Speaker 2: me to With the exception of Nick Burns just coming

46:55 Speaker 2: in and killing it, they would look at me and

46:58 Speaker 2: be like, all right, what do you want me to do?

46:59 Speaker 2: And then I wanted them to put their mark on it.

47:02 Speaker 2: So the original tune was recorded with the jess Olsen band.

47:06 Speaker 2: I wrote it for a female to sing and wonderful

47:12 Speaker 2: bass player. His tracks are still there Alec, Philip Brown

47:14 Speaker 2: and Seth Sears on drums, and obviously Caleb on oregon

47:20 Speaker 2: and piano.

47:20 Speaker 3: I think some guitar in there too, U No, I

47:23 Speaker 3: redid all the guitar, Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

47:27 Speaker 3: there are some fun stuff.

47:28 Speaker 2: So I'm listening to the tune and I'm one day

47:32 Speaker 2: and it was not supposed to be on the EP

47:34 Speaker 2: at all. This song was I did, but it's in

47:37 Speaker 2: the studio. It's like there's a list that drops down

47:39 Speaker 2: of songs. I'm like, I'm gonna listen to loss, listen

47:42 Speaker 2: to Jess's voice instead of mine. And this was at

47:46 Speaker 2: like midnight. I had been working all night and I

47:50 Speaker 2: was like, wait a minute, this songs awesome. I'm gonna

47:53 Speaker 2: sing it.

47:54 Speaker 1: Yeah.

47:54 Speaker 2: So, needless to say, I was there until about four

47:58 Speaker 2: in the morning re recording lead vocals for this tune.

48:02 Speaker 2: And I finish it and I think it's great, and

48:04 Speaker 2: I said it to Caleb and he's like, no, no, no.

48:07 Speaker 4: I laughed at some things.

48:08 Speaker 2: I said a couple of the lyrics because there is

48:10 Speaker 2: some comedy involved, like getting nowhere. There is a little

48:13 Speaker 2: bit of comedy involved in what I do. I really

48:16 Speaker 2: love SNL and like Mad Magazine. My father my biggest

48:21 Speaker 2: musical inspiration was in a group called Gross National Productions

48:24 Speaker 2: back in the seventies and they did comedy. Their lead

48:27 Speaker 2: singer ended up being a regular on Howard Stern back

48:30 Speaker 2: in the day, you know, just because all slapstick stuffy.

48:33 Speaker 1: Yeah.

48:34 Speaker 2: So, but some of the lyrics, Caleb was like, no, no,

48:38 Speaker 2: You're going too far with this. So so I'm listening

48:43 Speaker 2: to it and I'm like, how am I going to

48:46 Speaker 2: make this work? Because it still sounds like a song

48:47 Speaker 2: about a girl going out, you know, because it was

48:49 Speaker 2: originally written for Chess. And I did a show at

48:54 Speaker 2: I did a show on June twenty second, opening up

48:58 Speaker 2: for the Faith in Man and I knew of Faith.

49:00 Speaker 2: Everybody knows Faith, but I didn't, you know, we never

49:04 Speaker 2: really like met in person, so and I was really

49:08 Speaker 2: nervous because I had an issue. Caleb couldn't make it.

49:10 Speaker 2: We had a bass player issue, and so I'm like,

49:13 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be so unprofessional and I'm gonna show up

49:15 Speaker 2: without my bass player. And then I introduced myself to

49:17 Speaker 2: Faith and she looks at me. She goes, I'm sorry,

49:20 Speaker 2: I can't find my drummer anywhere, and I'm like, oh sweet,

49:23 Speaker 2: I'm not the only one, like awesome, I don't have

49:28 Speaker 2: my bass player. But that's cool. But yeah, So we

49:32 Speaker 2: ended up just setting up together because I was the

49:35 Speaker 2: opener and and we hit it off like like she

49:37 Speaker 2: is just so cool, like like just down to earth,

49:41 Speaker 2: chill person like like just one of those people that

49:43 Speaker 2: you like to be around and just as and then

49:48 Speaker 2: I was working on Lost and it just clicked. I'm

49:51 Speaker 2: like shot in the dark. I got her, I got

49:53 Speaker 2: her number. I'm gonna text her and see if she

49:55 Speaker 2: wants to come down, and she said she'd love to

49:57 Speaker 2: do it, and uh so she came down. She came

50:00 Speaker 2: down and we did two sessions. The first session, I

50:03 Speaker 2: was just basically replacing Jess's backup vocals because I wanted

50:08 Speaker 2: there to be a female presence in this song. There

50:10 Speaker 2: had to be, and it's a theme through a lot

50:12 Speaker 2: of my songs. There's a lot of there's a.

50:14 Speaker 4: Lot of vocal tracks on this too.

50:17 Speaker 2: Jade Bailey also released a single yesterday, check out Jade

50:20 Speaker 2: Bailey Everybody. She's actually on the chorus of this as well. Okay,

50:23 Speaker 2: so we have on this course. We have faith, we

50:26 Speaker 2: have Jade, we have Caleb, myself and Alec the bass

50:30 Speaker 2: player to make it big. And I'm listening to it.

50:34 Speaker 2: I'm listening to it. You know, faith is faith is

50:37 Speaker 2: loving it, and everybody's loving it. And I'm like, it's

50:40 Speaker 2: just not right. This should be a duet because of

50:43 Speaker 2: because of what she did and how she put her

50:45 Speaker 2: mark on things and the way we organize the lyrics,

50:49 Speaker 2: it already sounded like a duet. But so I'm like,

50:51 Speaker 2: if I just get her to sing two lines in

50:54 Speaker 2: the verse and have her take the lead on two

50:57 Speaker 2: of the lines, this is a duet and that's what's

51:00 Speaker 2: gonna make this tune. So I text her back again.

51:02 Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, you know, I said, everything's so great,

51:05 Speaker 2: can you come back down. She's I'd love to and

51:08 Speaker 2: and and she's a pro, like in in the in

51:10 Speaker 2: the studio, she just came down absolutely nailed the tracks

51:14 Speaker 2: and and like sometimes you're working with singers and uh,

51:17 Speaker 2: you know, because we miss notes and we have to

51:18 Speaker 2: retake with With her, it was just like we both

51:21 Speaker 2: knew when she missed something, stop, rewind go, Like there

51:25 Speaker 2: was no like, oh, I thought that was good, or

51:28 Speaker 2: let's talk about it, let's worry about feelings. It was

51:30 Speaker 2: just like, all right, let's hit it. And so she did.

51:35 Speaker 2: She came down, She's sang the other two lines.

51:37 Speaker 4: And I love singers that can admit when they're wrong.

51:41 Speaker 2: I have to I'm wrong a lot, yeah, which is

51:46 Speaker 2: you know, it is what it is. But so then

51:49 Speaker 2: we're digging in and I'm like, just like on your toes.

51:51 Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, finally the song's done. Like I

51:54 Speaker 2: can get Kale down here to mix it. Caleb's like,

51:58 Speaker 2: let's go. Because we recorded these tracks the guitars years ago.

52:02 Speaker 2: He's like, what guitars are you using? And I'm like,

52:04 Speaker 2: I don't know, and he started digging into the guitar

52:09 Speaker 2: tracks and the plugins that I used it.

52:11 Speaker 1: It was just awful.

52:13 Speaker 2: And so I'm like it was another situation where it

52:15 Speaker 2: was like midnight and Caleb's like, I'm going home. You

52:18 Speaker 2: figure it out. And again I was there till four

52:21 Speaker 2: in the morning re recording every guitar track on it,

52:24 Speaker 2: including the solo, and then the song was done. And

52:29 Speaker 2: when I wrapped on that, it was three days before

52:33 Speaker 2: the release. I had to re send it over to

52:36 Speaker 2: my mastering engineer, Chris Cormier, who is absolutely wonderful and

52:40 Speaker 2: and I keep seeing when I talked to him, like

52:43 Speaker 2: you're gonna hate me, dude, but I need another one. Yeah.

52:44 Speaker 2: I even had to do it to him the other day.

52:46 Speaker 2: I need some some masters. I forgot to do the

52:48 Speaker 2: radio edits and Matt Texan me and so finally it's

52:53 Speaker 2: done the day before it goes the day before I

52:57 Speaker 2: post everything, and uh, everybody that's been involved in this song,

53:01 Speaker 2: from from Faith to Nick Jay, I don't have to

53:04 Speaker 2: mention everybody. Just rewatch the interview. Guys, I'm gonna keep

53:09 Speaker 2: I just am so so blessed that that when I

53:13 Speaker 2: was having a horrible twenty twenty four, all these people

53:16 Speaker 2: came out of the woodwork and I have such a

53:18 Speaker 2: great support system.

53:20 Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome. Well we're gonna play this. We're gonna play

53:23 Speaker 1: this to wrap up the segment. But guys, I want

53:25 Speaker 1: to thank you both so much. Jess, thank you, thank you,

53:27 Speaker 1: Jesse Rutstein, Caleb Dyer, thank you both for coming in.

53:30 Speaker 1: Congratulations on the EP. It is amazing. Thank you and

53:34 Speaker 1: absolutely and if you are listening live on Saturday, we

53:36 Speaker 1: have Lyle Hutchins, who's going to be joining us via

53:38 Speaker 1: Microsoft Teams at the top of the hour. Looking forward

53:42 Speaker 1: to that. But again, check this out. This is so good.

53:45 Speaker 1: This is Lost in it All, featuring Faith and from

53:48 Speaker 1: the new Jesse Rutstein EP and the it's just called

53:51 Speaker 1: Jesse Rutstein, right, it's yeah, completely so.

53:53 Speaker 2: Leading up to Superhero Toys that the full length.

53:56 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, looking forward to that. Very cool. All right

53:58 Speaker 1: here it is this is lost in at all.

54:17 Speaker 5: We made plans to see the bed because my friends

54:22 Speaker 5: plays rum spend a long week and I can't I

54:29 Speaker 5: can't wait.

54:29 Speaker 7: To get it all.

54:31 Speaker 13: Jim, It's sometimes I gotta let the sort of uncle

54:35 Speaker 13: play lose my son to sit here. Good to me

54:40 Speaker 13: having little fun baby gets her. It's just something about

54:48 Speaker 13: pelsa way that you.

54:54 Speaker 7: Have no thing.

54:56 Speaker 5: Please make speak again upbout my ain't getting lost in

55:01 Speaker 5: it all.

55:04 Speaker 10: Because we all work hard. We're getting lost in it all.

55:11 Speaker 10: Somebody big Ben, I'm gonna sit ride in and we

55:15 Speaker 10: getting lost in it all.

55:20 Speaker 7: They fan out in a long time.

55:24 Speaker 5: It's I just lie and joy in my No, I

55:49 Speaker 5: ain't seen this curling a lot time announce singing on.

55:54 Speaker 14: Studios well because they messed out being a lout dressing man,

56:00 Speaker 14: just riling away then be getting an sense something you

56:06 Speaker 14: want m my partifi to.

56:09 Speaker 13: Benny, not even chin the bons n and nine spent.

56:17 Speaker 5: Benny, listen something about the music play song brings the cheese,

56:28 Speaker 5: ma'am master.

56:29 Speaker 7: One, I been in he do.

56:36 Speaker 10: Because they all work looking bosses a doll.

56:43 Speaker 7: Somebody got me a bill. I'm gonna shad right.

56:46 Speaker 5: Out here and get lost.

56:48 Speaker 7: The dog a been down along my chime and not just.

56:57 Speaker 2: My ooh, I just cho my.

57:14 Speaker 8: Host because we all can't lost, just got it, got

57:30 Speaker 8: things dat a.

57:31 Speaker 7: Baby didn't lost.

57:36 Speaker 5: I want to say that down long shy, Now on

57:47 Speaker 7: Joy my n