Jesse Rutstein and Caleb Dyer | Matt Connarton Unleashed

0:00 Speaker 1: Right now joining us. So let me get these mics up here. We have so Magan his return, well technically they're both making returns to the show, but we do have Jesse Rotstein here. Hello, Jesse, Hello, welcome, Thank you for having me. Anxious to talk to you about the new EP, anxious to talk about it and share some share some tunes from it, and uh and get into it. This is your Is this your second.

0:20 Speaker 2: Time on the show? This is my second time on the show.

0:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And you have with you so you brought Caleb Caleb Diris here. Hello, Caleb, Hello, Hello, Now this is your I think this is your second time on the show, but you don't correct, you don't remember the original time. But that's okay.

0:34 Speaker 3: I recall being on TV, yeah, on the Public Access TV with with fellow representative Gary Gary Hopper, Gary Hopper Lake, Gary Hopper Lake, Carrie Hopper. Yes, and uh, I so you tell me immediately thereafter or something to that effect, Right.

0:52 Speaker 1: It was, it was before, it was just before, it was right before.

0:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, that that makes sense as well, that I was on your show. And I fully accept that because I did a few different radio I did radio. I think in Texas in a couple other state Michigan as well. Yeah for stuff all around that time.

1:10 Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yeah, that day you you were on with Brandon Finnie and I think you guys were both state reps at the time of front indeed.

1:17 Speaker 3: Much like the honorable jenk Coffee, except we were in the legislature right after you left, right.

1:24 Speaker 1: Yes, I left in twenty twelve.

1:26 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so one separated by one term in between the Yeah.

1:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yep. And Brandon's been on the show with Vigil. Oh excellent, yea, yeah, excellent.

1:35 Speaker 3: I'm so glad all of that former state reps doing music. So much more productive and beautiful, no kidding, much healthier for the song indeed, Yes.

1:46 Speaker 1: And I love Brandon's band. Vigil is absolutely amazing.

1:49 Speaker 4: They're very good, absolutely heavy.

1:51 Speaker 1: But so Jesse. When you were on with us, before I think you you had released you had released a couple of songs I think as singles or refreshed my memory.

2:00 Speaker 2: So this entire project is being produced by myself and Caleb, and I had released two singles basically to just work out the kinks leading up to the EP, because I didn't know what I was doing now I'm my own record producer in addition, in addition to being the singer, songwriter, musician and all of it. Yeah, so I did work out all the kinks. We released Stay Anywhere and Dear Baby Gene first, and those two songs are on the EPA, along with On Your Toes, Getting Nowhere and Lost in It All.

2:40 Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember, yeah, you played it because last time you hear you played live, and I think you had played Dear Baby Jeen live in studio.

2:46 Speaker 2: You played the recording Dear Baby Gene I had played On Your Toes and Superhero Toys.

2:53 Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah right, okay, yeah, it becomes a blur.

2:56 Speaker 5: You know what.

2:57 Speaker 1: Dear Baby Gen, though, stands out in my mind because I remember you talking about saying, you know, someone was going to be mad when they heard it or very interesting. So I have to ask you a follow up question. I am a journalist, after all, were they?

3:09 Speaker 2: I don't know. We haven't talked about it. This person is very close to me in a in a family kind of way, and we get along just fine.

3:17 Speaker 1: Now that's good.

3:18 Speaker 2: We get along just fine. But my art is my art. I released I wrote the song two years ago. We released it and that you know, would I do like instead of getting angry or sad and I just put it all into my music. So you know, you ever want to know what I'm thinking, just listen to my latest my latest releases.

3:40 Speaker 1: Well, it's like we talk about this comes up all the time on the show. How I mean, isn't that kind of the best way to work through things is through creativity? Oh yeah, I mean, I mean what better therapy is there than that? Then then taking something, especially if it's something really negative, something that maybe has caused trauma anything at all, and creating something from it. I mean, that's what's better than that. You know.

3:58 Speaker 2: That's how this whole thing happened. Yeah, that's how this whole thing happened. Last year twenty twenty four, I had a very turbulent twenty twenty four. I won't for you with the details, but it was a very sad, sad time in my life. And uh, I had stopped playing music and it was I was in I was in a bad place. And around December January ish, this guy just said, enough, dude, enough, let's get back in the studio. Let's get these songs going. Because we had we had a bunch of material from from before that we were working on, and that's what I did, and music was my therapy.

4:42 Speaker 2: I'm, you know, doing a lot better now. I'm on I'm on fire right now. I'm like I was on the radio in Nashua the day after the release. I was pumped, and I'm just the music saved me. The music saved because I was not not in a good way.

5:02 Speaker 3: And Caleb, I've seen them before and after I can attest.

5:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was tough love too. He wasn't nice about it.

5:08 Speaker 4: No, I wasn't.

5:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't.

5:10 Speaker 3: But I was like, you, you are too good of a songwriter to not be doing this and doing it with you know.

5:17 Speaker 4: The full effort that it requires to do it.

5:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I've been basically since I stopped kind of doing all political things, I've been doing music pretty much full time.

5:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, name comes up a lot on the show.

5:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm sure it does. Yeah, I do get around at this point, you know. I uh, I've been been doing it, and I've been trying to be kind of a side man for not just Jesse, but as many people as I can to try to, you know, find people who I think, man, they're doing something really nice and let's let's take it. And that's actually the whole, the whole impetus for Hatchet, Acs and Saw, which is kind of this is the first time we're kind of publicizing this.

5:56 Speaker 2: Week we saw.

5:58 Speaker 3: We've softly launched it. Now today is kind of the I guess the world premiere. But we're not trying to solicit a whole lot of clients right now. We we kind of want to focus on just people we know locally, who you know, are producing really good original art. And and you know, the impetus for that was these two songs, these the two singles that that Jesse released, but specifically Dear Baby Gene. For me at least, was listening to that, listening to the quality of what we put out and and and what that song was, and and it got me thinking, I'm thinking, like, how can we take this what we're doing right now, Jesse and I and turn this into a business model and apply it to well beyond just the two of us.

6:46 Speaker 3: And you know, I mean, I obviously I have some selfish motivations.

6:50 Speaker 4: Eventually I would like.

6:50 Speaker 3: To record or re record some of my own tunes, which are as of yet unreleased, but I I principally do want to do this to get you know, other very talented artists like you know uh a band that I currently play with, Crank and Wagon. You know, we're eventually going to record some sort of of album I'm sure in the next year, and you know, we we want to get that out, but we also want to get out like Cosmic Blossom. If you're not familiar with Nick Burns and in the the genius of of that that group and the music that they put out, get familiar.

7:28 Speaker 2: But the Cosmic Blossom absolutely and and.

7:31 Speaker 3: One of the playing is oh yeah, I I've talked with Nick. He's going to be doing the artwork for Hatchet Acts and so cool, but we've both discussed that with him, but also getting Cosmic Blossom in to do one of my tunes. So I've got a very funky tune that I think that they would do very well with. And yeah, it's very tentative. I know Meg is you know Meg and Nick. Of course they're going to have their child very soon for uh early congratulates to.

8:00 Speaker 1: Them my gratulations.

8:01 Speaker 2: I saw Meg.

8:02 Speaker 4: Yesterday at Troutstock.

8:03 Speaker 3: She was rocking out with the phut the young one in there, so that kid's gonna come out rocking.

8:08 Speaker 1: So yeah, very cool.

8:10 Speaker 4: But anyhow, you know.

8:12 Speaker 2: It's actually really it's funny we're talking about cosmic because Nick is actually on the song On Your Toes. He plays the lead guitar and he absolutely that he transformed that tune and it was it was one of the It was the first song that actually I was like, yep, I'm not just releasing singles. This is gonna be an ep. The song is about my daughter. It's a beautiful, beautiful like ode to dancing. She my daughter's a ballerina. She she dances on point shoes and for those that don't know what that is, it's it's like their little pieces of wood that that's how the ballerinas spin the way they do that go in the bottom of their shoes.

8:57 Speaker 2: And the song was about how nervous she was about getting on that, you know, and learning it, and then the first time that I actually saw her do it, and it was I mean, she's my daughter, so I'm biased, but she's a magnificent person to begin with and a wonderful dancer, and it was the first time that I saw her dance on her toes, and this song started off as just me an acoustic I remember, Jen, you said that was the one you liked the most when I was here last, and so I was like, all right, going along with the turbulence from twenty twenty four.

9:34 Speaker 2: There was a breakup involved, and there was a song that I wrote for the person that I'm no longer with, and I didn't want to play that song anymore. But the drums Seth Cedars, huge shout out to Seth Cedars, our drummer mad man, he's the best in the business. But the drum track was so good. I'm like, I can't get.

9:55 Speaker 1: Rid of these drums right right?

9:57 Speaker 2: What am I going to do? And it just so happens that the chords to the prior song and my daughter's song are the same chords. So I was like, all right, let me see if I can work something out here. So I literally went in, chopped his drums tracks up and moved things around, and it worked perfectly with the acoustic guitar on the bass, and that's what I thought it was gonna be, just this acoustic tune. And then we had Peter Davis from No More Blue Tomorrows come in and play lead guitar on Dear Baby Jean.

10:28 Speaker 2: So I'm like, all right, maybe I'm going to ride this train a little bit, which is exactly what I did. I have so many wonderful musicians that were on these tracks, and so I was like, you know, I was chatting with Peter and Nick one day and I said to Nick, I was like, I got a great song for your style. You want to come down, And I mean, Nick, Nick Burns is a beast, and I'm kind of making this whole interview about Nick, but but we love you, Nick, indeed, we love you. But he came down, and I didn't know what he was going to do.

11:01 Speaker 2: Cosmic is a very freeformed band, where my stuff is like, it's not intricate, but there are parts, you know. So Nick came down, put down his pedal board, turned the guitar on. He's like, you got an amp. I'm like, oh yeah, it was actually Chris Drew's amp. Chris Drew and we plug Nick in and he he just transformed the tune and when you play it, you'll be able to hear it. But he just transformed the song into something that I never thought it would ever be. So I was like, all right, well, I got this great tune, but why stop there.

11:40 Speaker 2: Caleb's like, this needs keys, great, put some keys on it. I'm like, all right, my song's done. This is a beautiful, beautiful song. But then I was talking to my buddy Patrick Matthews, who plays saxophone, and I was like, you know what, maybe some saxophone on this song. And then Patrick came down again just like Nick. Uh super pros. These guys, like everybody that's been involved in this uh, just really professional. And Patrick came down and basically transformed the song again, and I was like, okayanntes, Yeah, I think Nick's session was was just around the same amount of time.

12:19 Speaker 5: Just uh.

12:20 Speaker 3: I mean in the actual taking, the tracking was like very little of that it was And I.

12:26 Speaker 2: Had never I don't think you have either. We had never really recorded saxophone before, so we didn't really know what we were doing in our in our area. But and so finally song's done. That's it. But then my niece, Josie Rutsteam. Josie she's a she's a professional actress. She is sixteen years old. She's getting leads and all the plays around town. She's performed at the Palace Theater right down the road. She played me something on her phone of her hitting these high notes because her voice is like off the chart.

13:00 Speaker 2: So I'm like, all right, well, I guess this song isn't done yet. And she came down and recorded the track, and it is just the way the way it came out brings tears to my eyes, because, like I, I sent it off to master, to my mastering engineer, Chris Cormier, and and he sent it back to me and it was like hearing my song for the first time, and it was just it still brings tears to my eyes. I love that song, not just because I wrote it, but because of what everybody else did.

13:29 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean the layering and the production of that tune. It did start very simple, as Jesse described, but it didn't. It was never at any point overproduced. It was just kind of like it was a very natural progression of him kind of hearing like, oh, that's a very nice addition in an element.

13:48 Speaker 2: What else?

13:49 Speaker 4: But but is there more? Is there more?

13:52 Speaker 2: And will it? Will it not? Promise it's done?

13:55 Speaker 1: I promise?

13:57 Speaker 4: Will it not sound overdone?

13:58 Speaker 3: And it's not a tune that demands orchestral arrangements or anything crazy like that. But those auxiliary elements, you know, the saxophone, the woodwinds and and the the guitar that that was layered on it just it really does make that song. Yeah, yeah, and you know, I mean I I don't want to toot his horn too much, you know, can my head my head?

14:21 Speaker 2: Possibly right.

14:23 Speaker 3: Jesse is an excellent songwriter, and when he is nudged to, you know, to do things and and and consider additional elements, he makes a lot of great choices.

14:34 Speaker 1: Well, very good, Well I think we should play it. Has this been on the radio yet?

14:38 Speaker 2: This has not been on the radio yet.

14:40 Speaker 1: This is not well you know what that means.

14:42 Speaker 2: I know what that means.

14:44 Speaker 1: All right, here it is. This is the world radio premiere of On Your Toes from Jesse Rutstein. You are listening to UM and H.

14:54 Speaker 2: World premiere.

15:14 Speaker 6: Bessa can't be real, but there's a lot upon They look at me. They all to be odd. She could will walking touching the tree.

15:37 Speaker 7: And we touched you.

15:43 Speaker 5: That soli dancing If.

15:48 Speaker 7: I knew, they now said, it's side to watching the world. You first dance with me. I had to dance, can't you said? Love?

16:11 Speaker 8: Mo.

16:27 Speaker 7: Now, I can't believe Je's reading.

16:31 Speaker 2: Looking man, I can never be.

16:39 Speaker 5: I see a woman, not a girl and a can.

16:42 Speaker 7: Man were a time silence.

16:45 Speaker 9: The day came into my mother. I've been so proud

16:56 Speaker 9: that Sollie dancing on your tour. I'm a man to say its to watch a gol wouldn't you first dance?

17:09 Speaker 7: Let me have to old James. Can't you go? She said? Yeah? Hello?

17:39 Speaker 7: Who man? Saw you dancing all your time? One thing? Now said it?

17:48 Speaker 10: So who I'm sorry dancing?

17:56 Speaker 7: I get so so lots of lots lots of.

18:42 Speaker 1: Oh that came out really really well on your toes. Jesse Rudstein here with us live in studio, and Caleb Diler here, Caleb Dier. It's like, I think I do that sometimes I create amalgams of words in my brain if I'm talking too fast. So what did what did I just say? Dialer? Yeah, Caleb and Dyer Dialer.

19:03 Speaker 2: I do that.

19:04 Speaker 1: I do that a lot. So Caleb Dyer here with us in studio as well. And yeah, that that did come out. That came out fantastic, Thank you, absolutely absolutely, And the EP is out on all those streaming platforms.

19:18 Speaker 2: Correct anywhere you can stream. I didn't even know Pandora was still a thing until the other day. I was talking to somebody who's like, no, I still do Pandora. I'm like, pull it up, see I see if I'm on there, and sure enough, oh you go? Yeah, so yeah you could. You can stream it anywhere Spotify, Apple Music YouTube. YouTube is where I'm doing the best right now.

19:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, Spotify.

19:40 Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like an old man when I opened Spotify. I'm not crazy about it. I just I didn't get it at first. But uh, my my daughter, who that song was about, had to commote, like because social media is such a huge part of what I'm doing, but I didn't know anything about TikTok or Instagram. And yeah, my daughter had to come over and she's she's credited for marketing on the release.

20:06 Speaker 8: She is.

20:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, she came over. She came over and she showed me how to how to TikTok and how to Instagram and yeah, and uh, you know, cause I just scroll through Facebook. That was my extent of social media. But it is such a big part of this process and I didn't realize that when I when I started this whole thing. But I'm getting I'm getting there. I went from having no TikTok at all to twenty six hundred followers, which I know isn't a ton in the world of being an influencer, but it's it's, you know, I'm getting some some solid views off of that.

20:39 Speaker 2: People like the videos of my dog more than the videos of me singing. Oh really, so I just started I just started making videos of me singing to my dog.

20:46 Speaker 1: Here you go smart, that's smart. Yeah.

20:49 Speaker 2: Yeah.

20:50 Speaker 1: In a couple of minutes, we're gonna play another track, Getting Nowhere.

20:53 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, getting nowhere.

20:55 Speaker 1: We should talk about that one. That's that's and that's that's a very different vibe than.

20:58 Speaker 2: Oh, totally different, totally different. I Uh, this is the one I'm the most nervous about. I'm nervous about it because people could easily take take it the wrong way. It's it's so that the last song was very you know, beautiful saxophone about your kid, Oh what a nice guy. Getting nowhere is quite the opposite. It's super gritty, almost pop punk, heavily influenced by like the heavy sublime style late nineties vibe, and it's about it's about politics. So so I'm a middle of the road kind of guy.

21:40 Speaker 2: I I I believe in a lot of things that the left says and a lot of things that the right says. And I'm in the middle. So when I talk about politics, everybody hates me. Yeah, yeah, you know, I've seen some of your posts, you know, and so so. But that's what the song's about. The song is about people going back and forth on social media and saying, like writing off family members because of their political views. And if you did this, then you're no longer my friend. And if you did this, then you're you know.

22:11 Speaker 2: I got an uncle who doesn't talk to me because I don't agree with everything he says politically. Yeah, and I love the guy, you know what I mean. And and and then when you run into these people that you're like being a keyboard warrior with in real life and have a real conversation with them, you start to get to get somewhere right, you know. But as long as you're yelling at each other on your phone, yeah, and and this media driven division, which I can't get into without sharing my political views, which I don't want to do.

22:41 Speaker 2: But as long as we're going back and forth with each other and you're stupid. No, you're stupid. Then we're gonna get nowhere. And that's what the song's about, because, like my my biggest issue with the political climate right now is that people are divided for no reason. We're divided based on on Facebook memes and half the people that are talking about these things don't even really look into the issue. They just get their news from from memes. And and I'm not trying to insult anybody. It's more along the lines of if we keep arguing amongst ourselves about nothing, we're gonna get nowhere.

23:18 Speaker 2: And that's what the song's about. And it's very gritty, it's not polished, which drove him nuts nuts.

23:26 Speaker 3: It didn't drive me nuts. Well, I under I understand that, you know, there are different production styles, but it was it was at times I was listening to it and I'm thinking, like, I understand the intent of this song is to get a really punk vibe, but there were there were some things like balancing right wise, the essentially the there were certain frequencies in the mid range where it's like conflictory right, it's like really really saturated, and that is part of the vibe. But also trying to get the separation of the instruments so you hear everything, but you know, also still have the vibe of everything being kind of like really loud in face.

24:09 Speaker 4: Which, yeah, it's hard to pull off.

24:11 Speaker 2: I think we I think we did all right.

24:13 Speaker 4: You know, I think I think we did all right.

24:16 Speaker 3: You know you of course we'll hear it in a couple of minutes, but you know, it is really loud and it is really in your face.

24:24 Speaker 2: The idea that I was trying to get at with the whole vibe because the music needs to go along with the lyrics. It's not just it's not just the background so I can get my message out. I wanted it to sound garage bandish. I wanted it to sound like you're going to the bar and seeing the band and the drums aren't miked so that the symbols are just like cutting through the whole mix, and it's like, you know, like when when your buddy who's in a band, it takes a video and says, hey, look at my band, how do we sound?

24:56 Speaker 2: And you're all you hear is right?

24:59 Speaker 3: It's his most of that as we could get while still being a professional release audio.

25:05 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I I I kind of took what what you were saying. That's what I took from the lyrics when I listened to it. You know, so I I understood and I and I understand too about you know, like, uh, like I have a family member who sends me a lot of angry text messages.

25:21 Speaker 2: And yeah, you know, it's so it's silly, it's so silly.

25:26 Speaker 1: I've never seen it like this.

25:27 Speaker 11: Yeah.

25:28 Speaker 1: I don't even argue about politics on social media.

25:30 Speaker 2: I post in ghost Oh I did, I know you do, and I appreciate, but this, this's there's a couple people that are always commenting and always disagreeing. But so so a full disclosure. I was that guy.

25:42 Speaker 4: I was.

25:43 Speaker 2: I was like really upset during COVID. Uh not like the first year we did we had to do to be safe, but then you know we I was. I was working in a bar and all the adults would be out, huge crowds of people, no masks, but they made my kids still wear a masks mask for a year.

25:59 Speaker 8: So I was.

26:00 Speaker 2: I wrote a mask, mask, mask, and and I realized what an idiot I look like. I look like an idiot arguing with somebody about something that that really didn't matter. And and I, you know, I I hope I didn't lose any friends, but there you know, there are people.

26:14 Speaker 1: That you probably did though. I mean that's the thing that sucks.

26:16 Speaker 2: Well, and they weren't a friend to begin with. But but you know what that if if I lost, I'm losing people and we're getting nowhere, you know. So that's what the song's about, you know.

26:25 Speaker 1: So well, I think we should give this a spend.

26:27 Speaker 2: I like it a lot awesome.

26:29 Speaker 1: Now this is which one of one of the songs we're playing today has been played on uh in Nasha? Is that this one?

26:34 Speaker 2: No that's lost in it all?

26:35 Speaker 1: Lost in it all?

26:36 Speaker 2: Well fai then.

26:37 Speaker 1: Okay, so this one's another World radio premiere is yes, sir, Oh, well you know what that means.

26:42 Speaker 2: I know what that means listening to umh World premiere

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28:37 Speaker 5: So my campaign game, your mind start.

28:42 Speaker 11: Up, fling, I'll be gone and came back to slave.

28:53 Speaker 7: Can jump you can you believe God?

29:00 Speaker 11: Wait?

29:00 Speaker 7: God even better than he's got how card and Walm can wake and nowhere.

29:11 Speaker 12: Else it's laying alas, but is it rock the city? It's not hour not long so Wick and now no we got on you that decency.

29:33 Speaker 7: And Noel can now can nowhere?

30:03 Speaker 1: Whoops, there we go, all right, Getty nowhere Caleb, I mean Jesse Rutstein. But Caleb was talking a lot about the song.

30:12 Speaker 2: I mean he played, he played guitar, played some guitar on it, yeah, which is unusual.

30:16 Speaker 3: I'm not really a guitar player very much, but really yeah, I mean, you know, it's interesting on a couple of these tunes on even though the one that was played before getting.

30:25 Speaker 4: Nowhere the on your toes. So the main guitar lick that's in that was actually was a creation of mine, right, Oh.

30:33 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, Caleb brought the lick for the tune on the verses and I not not nixt part like we that we had Nick play that that part obviously with with my track, but yeah, a lot of the collaboration and production, like I couldn't have done it without Caleb Dier, Like I just I couldn't have done it without him, like like even talking about opening up the space and the actual mixing. Because people hear a song and they're like, wow, you play guitar. That's cool. They don't realize I did that guitar track twenty seven and they don't realize that I spent hours just listening to one snippet of vocal to just get the level right.

31:14 Speaker 2: And I don't want them to care about that. I just want them to hear the song. And I talked to somebody yesterday who was like, hey, I listen to your stuff. I didn't really like sit down though, so I'm sorry. She's like, it was just on in the background, and I was like, no, that's great, that's great. That's what music is it. It can be super important to somebody like me, but it could just add a little joy to somebody's life that doesn't play you know what I mean, Like it's the universal language.

31:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, No, that's great, that's great. In a couple of minutes, we'll also play out Lost in It All, the track that you did with Faith and and that's such a great song too. I'm curious what's the live situation like for you these days? Are you playing a lot of shows or have you been so.

31:55 Speaker 2: More on the EP or I've been the laser focused on the studio work. Yeah, it's kind of funny. I we were joking around because I'm not playing lot. I am playing tomorrow at Terminus in the pop up event. Hopefully the weather holds up so we can actually be outside the way it was planned, but if not, we're going to be playing indoors. A lot of great artists, a lot of great musicians, you know, just Terminus doing what Terminus does. You know, upplug them. I'll talk about them as much as I'm talking about Nick Burns.

32:28 Speaker 1: But that's where Jenny and I met you, by the way, Yes, yes, at the earlier this year at the open house.

32:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was with Quincy Yes, yeah, well Quincy.

32:38 Speaker 1: Raymond or Quincy Lord Lord. Yeah, I never know which to call him.

32:43 Speaker 2: But so as far as the live situation, I am booking for twenty twenty six. The full length is coming out on December seventeenth. It's a song called Superhero Toys. Ye, all of my the dates that I released stuff are strategically placed. The song Superhero Toys is an ode to my son and being the dad of a boy, which is, you know, very tough at times, like like, am I doing the right thing? Am I pointing him in the right direction? Am I giving him what he needs on my end to be able to make his own decisions?

33:18 Speaker 1: And you know that's a great song too. You play that?

33:20 Speaker 2: Yeah?

33:21 Speaker 1: Use last time You're here?

33:22 Speaker 2: He did just yes, yeah, he did. Just you know, he's in his first year of being a United States Marine.

33:30 Speaker 1: Wow.

33:30 Speaker 2: So my contribution I feel like I did all right, you know, but it's very scary.

33:36 Speaker 1: Yeah.

33:36 Speaker 2: So December seventeenth is the release and that is the title track of the release, and it also happens to be his birthday. Oh nice, So that's why it's And then in twenty twenty six is after I have the full length release, after I've been on the radio. I'm in people's ears, I got the social media going, there's going to be plenty of merchandise. That's when I'm gonna get out and start gigging. So it's it's it's all a plan. And uh, the the EP's been out for a week and so far I'm gaining some serious momentum.

34:07 Speaker 2: So I am beyond pumped. I'm beyond thankful to everybody who's taken the time to listen, everybody who's taken the time to be involved, including yourself, you know, like like hitting me up. And so yeah, that's that's that's the plan for the live stuff. Okay, okay, cool, cool, So twenty twenty six, watch out, You're going to be seeing my face.

34:28 Speaker 4: It helps me out a lot too, because my twenty twenty five is kind of he's.

34:32 Speaker 2: Book solid and he's in my bad.

34:33 Speaker 4: I'm not solidly hooked, but I do have a lot going on.

34:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. And you've got the we should we talked about it a little bit, but we should circle back to it, the label because you know, and a lot of people, you know, a lot of people in the scene listen to the show too, So we want to make sure everybody knows, you know, if people want to get involved, if they want to sell your music, if they want.

34:50 Speaker 2: To We don't have the only thing that I'm worried about right now talk because I want to talk about I want to get in people's ear. But we don't have a website or any social media going right now.

34:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of that's almost deliberate in a way. Well one Facebook kind of put me in in nazi Nazi mode, so I can't can't create a new page. But but setting that aside, that it's kind of strategic because we kind of don't have the ability. It's a partnership, so it's just Jesse and I. We don't really have the ability to be taking on a lot of people, and we know that there's demand because of course all of our friends are like, you know, like when when can we when can we do this?

35:29 Speaker 1: This done?

35:30 Speaker 3: Because you know, there are a number of people who have heard the Jesse releases and you know they're they're they're very, very eager, you know, so we we.

35:40 Speaker 4: Kind of want to be selective.

35:41 Speaker 3: We've got one young, lovely lady Sarah Bird, who's in the band dogg Eate Dog. She has, yeah, exactly, and she's an excellent musician. And I saw her yesterday and she was rocking out with the Dogs out in Greenfield. I wish, I wish, Yeah, it would have been great to have you out there. But anyhow, we want to get Sarah Burd and she's got some excellent originals of hers that are kind of more on the light side. They're not so heavy rock and roll like Dog Eate Dog as a band is. And you know, we would love to get her in and get those tunes recorded, you know, in a format that is more true to who.

36:21 Speaker 4: Sarah is as a kind of solo artist on her own right.

36:26 Speaker 3: And you know, we've spoken with her about that and and hopefully we can get her in as one of the first few test cases. Of course, I'd like to get my own band, Crank and Wagon, which is kind of not my band. I kind of just am the organist for the band. And he's yes, correct, Paul Fry is the true true leader and mastermind of that band. Indeed, Paul Fry very very astute guitar player and good good friend of mine, but so you know, we we have a bunch of these test cases that we'd like to kind of try out because we've done it with Jesse, We've proven the concept, and now we need to take this sell it hard, you know, through to the end of the year, through the album release, which is I guess technically the first official Hatchet Ax and Saw release.

37:10 Speaker 1: That will be.

37:10 Speaker 2: That will be the first Hatchet Ax and Saw release.

37:13 Speaker 3: Yes, that will be, Yeah, the first official one. And in the meantime we'll have other things kind of cooking to be released in the next year.

37:20 Speaker 1: So excellent. Oh did we talk about where that? I know we talked about it off air before the show. Did we talk on air about where the name comes from?

37:26 Speaker 4: Oh?

37:27 Speaker 2: Oh yes, so this is a cool story. Yeah, I'm a musician. No, no, really, So I love Rush. I love Rush. If how could you not love Rush? Is is the thought that I hear when people say, but but I do have a unique voice, and I do enjoy groups like the Dave Matthews Band and and and so some people will say I don't like Rush because I can't stand his voice, and I'm like, how could you not stand his voice? He's perfect, you know, So I love Rush and Caleb loves Rush, and coincidentally we didn't. So so the the one person we forgot I haven't well not forgot I haven't mentioned yet is Dave Patterson, our executive producer who runs Tree Streets, Inc.

38:13 Speaker 2: Which is where facility that's that's the studio. So we're on the Tree Streets recording and we just happened to be talking about the record label and Rush came up, and coincidentally, our favorite Rush song is Trees, both of us, so I'm like, and then we were talking about naming the record company, I'm like, Trees is really your favorite because it's just the most beaut like getting nowhere, it's a very political song about people, about about fighting over something that you can't change, you know, and that's that's what the whole song is about.

38:51 Speaker 2: And the last lyrics of the tune are Hatchet Acts and Saw and I'm like, how about we just call it Hatchet Acts and Sauce.

38:58 Speaker 3: Well more importantly, the full lyric is the trees are all kept equal by handy hate.

39:03 Speaker 1: Yeah.

39:04 Speaker 3: And now, one thing about the music business, which I don't think a lot of people understand is that there are sort of some gate keeping going on by some some shall we say, oaks, which you're you know, very large multimedia conglomerates that kind of don't let the Maples get sunlight. And whether or not it's by the design of the system or you know, no fault of their own, which I don't think it is in this particular case. I do think that they have deliberately lobbied and created this sort of system that protects themselves.

39:38 Speaker 3: Sure, but the local musicians are the Maples in that song, and they're not getting enough sunlight, and you know, hatchet actions and saw maybe you know, we're not trying to make everyone equal, but at the very least we'd like to get the Maples some sunlight.

39:53 Speaker 2: We're trying to do the exact same thing that you guys do here. Yeah, and you know you put us on. You take the time and and and do your due diligence and put the show together. And it's a great show. Like I I watch you almost every Saturday.

40:08 Speaker 1: Thank you.

40:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's great. I I forget what's the guy's name, Eli something he was on a few weeks ago.

40:16 Speaker 1: Uh, it becomes such a blur. He tours, he's a oh yeah, I'm sorry.

40:21 Speaker 2: Eli Love, Yeah, Eli Love. I was watching the show and I had never heard of this guy before, and I just watched him play this tune and literally, I've working on this project. I haven't listened to anybody else but myself, like a year. I'm so sick of my voice that everybody's like, wow, I like your voice. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm me too, I guess. But I was watching your show and I saw I saw this wonderful, wonderful musician, and I went following him. Uh and he emailed me, you know, like after I started following him, you get the email, like because he's a pro.

40:58 Speaker 2: Like I'm literally my modeling some of the marketing stuff that I'm doing after what he does smartly and h long story short, I saw new music because of you, you know. And that's what we want to bring to the area. We want to get people like like Sarah Bird, and we want to get the Cosmic Blossoms, the Dog eight Dogs. I'm talking to another really wonderful musician in the area, his name is Justin Jordan, about getting him down in the studio and we're just we're just that's what we're trying to push.

41:29 Speaker 3: Get it, Get him down there, get him recorded, get him selling it, because if we can sell it, if we can prove commercial viability, then we can actually make Nashua and Manchester Southern New Hampshire. Like you know, my my tagline for the last couple of years is I want to turn Nashua into a mini Nashville.

41:49 Speaker 4: Yeah, I want.

41:52 Speaker 2: We talked to anybody, anybody else in the country, they say, where are you from? You say Nashua. They're going to be like Nashville. Yeah, I just say Boston now yeah.

42:00 Speaker 3: And I mean for the music that I love, I play a lot of blues and rock and stuff like that. I'm actually a shameless self plug the Blues Fest on August second here in Manchester. I'll be playing there with the Craig Thomas band or it's called Bluetopia Craig Thomas and Blue Topia. But that's the music that I really love, the music that I kind of grow up, grew up listening to and and caring about. And you know, the whole idea is, at least with Hatchet, Ax and Saw, is to you know, bring local musicians who are doing it, producing original music, you know, take that to the market, prove commercial viability and and turn this you know, area into a music hub much much in the same way.

42:47 Speaker 3: And I think it's long overdue because Boston. Boston's had, you know, a very strong local music scene, but there's there's like, you know, maybe a couple a dozen recording studios, and there's even fewer action will labels that you can that you can publish through. And I mean, you know, we we have great, like again, great studios around and it's not like the facility that we're at as any better, any worse. But I think the product that we actually offer is going to be the promotion, the actual trying to get it out to market, cooperating with local you know, record distributors.

43:21 Speaker 3: There's this fellow Dan up in Laconia who owns a little record shop up there. I would love to plug the name of it. It's oh my lord, I'm so sorry Dan forgetting the name of your business.

43:34 Speaker 2: But it's a little little.

43:37 Speaker 4: Right exactly.

43:38 Speaker 3: But it's this little record shop right up in Laconia, right down the street from the theater there where they have a lot of live music acts. And I plan to partner with him get physical copies in stores around that, you know, like down and Lowell. There's there's a couple of little record shops as well, So getting the music out to the people selling it and and that that is the thing that a lot of local art just have the hardest time doing.

44:01 Speaker 4: They'll play gig after gig after gig.

44:03 Speaker 3: And they'll be grinding themselves into dust, but they don't have any sort of you know, means of passive income selling the music.

44:10 Speaker 2: Right, That's the reason why I'm not not That's the reason why I'm hanging tight on the live shows. Uh, getting the product and then then you.

44:17 Speaker 4: Use the live shows and just a product.

44:19 Speaker 2: We're going to be pushing lost in it all until until the uh till then till the full length comes out. I mean I'm gonna be sharing the other songs too, of course we're playing them today, but yeah, that is the single and then but I'm well aware that I'm not gonna look at Spotify and see myself blow up until I start playing live. But I'm gonna be killing myself in the studio if I'm trying to juggle playing live and get this all together the right way.

44:44 Speaker 4: Creative balancing acts.

44:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that makes sense. That makes a lot of sense. So in a moment, will yeah, We'll play lost in it All to close out the segment.

44:53 Speaker 2: Faith in we got to talk about faith featuring. So this, this tune, this tune was how we started this, this started. We started recording this song four years ago. I was in a band with a wonderful local musician and sound therapist. Is that the right, Yeah. So her name is Jessica Songbird of the I KAA Jessica Olsen, and we were both members of the jess Olsen Band, and I did a lot of writing and I came up with this tune about how it all started with the group. I went out saw her playing with a guy named Seth who I had never met but I knew.

45:38 Speaker 2: We played in a group called Project Mess, and that's where the lyric guy played Mess. So the whole song is the whole song is me not even playing that. It's not about me playing. It's about me going to a show, seeing this wonderful band led by a really great female artist and get lost, getting lost in the moments, you know. And so we started a band. Things didn't work out. We didn't uh, we didn't necessarily see eye to eye in the direction of the music. Which is one of the reasons that I'm a solo artist.

46:14 Speaker 2: It's I've come to terms with the fact that that if I want to do the stuff I want to do, I have to have creative control. And I'm not saying anything bad about about Jessica. She's a wonderful, wonderful human being. We just didn't she wanted to She wanted to go in one direction. I didn't want to go, so so I'm like, all right, you know. And and that he was the one who convinced me to do the solo thing. He's like, you should we should do this as you you know, and and and it obviously it takes a village.

46:43 Speaker 2: I keep plugging all these wonderful, amazing artists that are on the tracks, but I put them on the tracks, and and when they came in, they were they looked at me and they're like, all right, what do you want me to With the exception of Nick Burns just coming in and killing it, they would look at me and be like, all right, what do you want me to do? And then I wanted them to put their mark on it. So the original tune was recorded with the jess Olsen band. I wrote it for a female to sing and wonderful bass player.

47:12 Speaker 2: His tracks are still there Alec, Philip Brown and Seth Sears on drums, and obviously Caleb on oregon and piano.

47:20 Speaker 3: I think some guitar in there too, U No, I redid all the guitar, Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, there are some fun stuff.

47:28 Speaker 2: So I'm listening to the tune and I'm one day and it was not supposed to be on the EP at all. This song was I did, but it's in the studio. It's like there's a list that drops down of songs. I'm like, I'm gonna listen to loss, listen to Jess's voice instead of mine. And this was at like midnight. I had been working all night and I was like, wait a minute, this songs awesome. I'm gonna sing it.

47:54 Speaker 1: Yeah.

47:54 Speaker 2: So, needless to say, I was there until about four in the morning re recording lead vocals for this tune. And I finish it and I think it's great, and I said it to Caleb and he's like, no, no, no.

48:07 Speaker 4: I laughed at some things.

48:08 Speaker 2: I said a couple of the lyrics because there is some comedy involved, like getting nowhere. There is a little bit of comedy involved in what I do. I really love SNL and like Mad Magazine. My father my biggest musical inspiration was in a group called Gross National Productions back in the seventies and they did comedy. Their lead singer ended up being a regular on Howard Stern back in the day, you know, just because all slapstick stuffy.

48:33 Speaker 1: Yeah.

48:34 Speaker 2: So, but some of the lyrics, Caleb was like, no, no, You're going too far with this. So so I'm listening to it and I'm like, how am I going to make this work? Because it still sounds like a song about a girl going out, you know, because it was originally written for Chess. And I did a show at I did a show on June twenty second, opening up for the Faith in Man and I knew of Faith. Everybody knows Faith, but I didn't, you know, we never really like met in person, so and I was really nervous because I had an issue.

49:09 Speaker 2: Caleb couldn't make it. We had a bass player issue, and so I'm like, I'm gonna be so unprofessional and I'm gonna show up without my bass player. And then I introduced myself to Faith and she looks at me. She goes, I'm sorry, I can't find my drummer anywhere, and I'm like, oh sweet, I'm not the only one, like awesome, I don't have my bass player. But that's cool. But yeah, So we ended up just setting up together because I was the opener and and we hit it off like like she is just so cool, like like just down to earth, chill person like like just one of those people that you like to be around and just as and then I was working on Lost and it just clicked.

49:50 Speaker 2: I'm like shot in the dark. I got her, I got her number. I'm gonna text her and see if she wants to come down, and she said she'd love to do it, and uh so she came down. She came down and we did two sessions. The first session, I was just basically replacing Jess's backup vocals because I wanted there to be a female presence in this song. There had to be, and it's a theme through a lot of my songs. There's a lot of there's a.

50:14 Speaker 4: Lot of vocal tracks on this too.

50:17 Speaker 2: Jade Bailey also released a single yesterday, check out Jade Bailey Everybody. She's actually on the chorus of this as well. Okay, so we have on this course. We have faith, we have Jade, we have Caleb, myself and Alec the bass player to make it big. And I'm listening to it. I'm listening to it. You know, faith is faith is loving it, and everybody's loving it. And I'm like, it's just not right. This should be a duet because of because of what she did and how she put her mark on things and the way we organize the lyrics, it already sounded like a duet.

50:50 Speaker 2: But so I'm like, if I just get her to sing two lines in the verse and have her take the lead on two of the lines, this is a duet and that's what's gonna make this tune. So I text her back again. I'm like, hey, you know, I said, everything's so great, can you come back down. She's I'd love to and and and she's a pro, like in in the in the studio, she just came down absolutely nailed the tracks and and like sometimes you're working with singers and uh, you know, because we miss notes and we have to retake with With her, it was just like we both knew when she missed something, stop, rewind go, Like there was no like, oh, I thought that was good, or let's talk about it, let's worry about feelings.

51:30 Speaker 2: It was just like, all right, let's hit it. And so she did. She came down, She's sang the other two lines.

51:37 Speaker 4: And I love singers that can admit when they're wrong.

51:41 Speaker 2: I have to I'm wrong a lot, yeah, which is you know, it is what it is. But so then we're digging in and I'm like, just like on your toes. I'm like, all right, finally the song's done. Like I can get Kale down here to mix it. Caleb's like, let's go. Because we recorded these tracks the guitars years ago. He's like, what guitars are you using? And I'm like, I don't know, and he started digging into the guitar tracks and the plugins that I used it.

52:11 Speaker 1: It was just awful.

52:13 Speaker 2: And so I'm like it was another situation where it was like midnight and Caleb's like, I'm going home. You figure it out. And again I was there till four in the morning re recording every guitar track on it, including the solo, and then the song was done. And when I wrapped on that, it was three days before the release. I had to re send it over to my mastering engineer, Chris Cormier, who is absolutely wonderful and and I keep seeing when I talked to him, like you're gonna hate me, dude, but I need another one.

52:44 Speaker 2: Yeah. I even had to do it to him the other day. I need some some masters. I forgot to do the radio edits and Matt Texan me and so finally it's done the day before it goes the day before I post everything, and uh, everybody that's been involved in this song, from from Faith to Nick Jay, I don't have to mention everybody. Just rewatch the interview. Guys, I'm gonna keep

53:09 Speaker 2: I just am so so blessed that that when I was having a horrible twenty twenty four, all these people came out of the woodwork and I have such a great support system.

53:20 Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome. Well we're gonna play this. We're gonna play this to wrap up the segment. But guys, I want to thank you both so much. Jess, thank you, thank you, Jesse Rutstein, Caleb Dyer, thank you both for coming in. Congratulations on the EP. It is amazing. Thank you and absolutely and if you are listening live on Saturday, we have Lyle Hutchins, who's going to be joining us via Microsoft Teams at the top of the hour. Looking forward to that. But again, check this out. This is so good. This is Lost in it All, featuring Faith and from the new Jesse Rutstein EP and the it's just called Jesse Rutstein, right, it's yeah, completely so.

53:53 Speaker 2: Leading up to Superhero Toys that the full length.

53:56 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, looking forward to that. Very cool. All right here it is this is lost in at all.

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54:29 Speaker 7: To get it all.

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54:54 Speaker 7: Have no thing.

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55:04 Speaker 10: Because we all work hard. We're getting lost in it all. Somebody big Ben, I'm gonna sit ride in and we getting lost in it all.

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56:17 Speaker 5: Benny, listen something about the music play song brings the cheese, ma'am master.

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56:43 Speaker 7: Somebody got me a bill. I'm gonna shad right.

56:46 Speaker 5: Out here and get lost.

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57:31 Speaker 7: Baby didn't lost.

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