Lydia Reddy releases second single | Matt Connarton Unleashed

0:00 Speaker 1: And let's bring her in right now. She is with

0:02 Speaker 1: us via Microsoft Teams. Lydia Ready, Hello, Lydia.

0:07 Speaker 2: Hey everyone, how's it going?

0:09 Speaker 3: Good?

0:09 Speaker 1: Good, welcome back. It's great to speak with you. You know,

0:13 Speaker 1: we uh we talked recently your your first single, Turned

0:16 Speaker 1: This Town Around, which we love. And then uh, and

0:19 Speaker 1: then we received this, uh, the Way We're Rolling, which

0:21 Speaker 1: I think we played was it a week or two

0:23 Speaker 1: or a couple of weeks ago? Actually the American radio

0:26 Speaker 1: premiere of that? Another great great track from you. I

0:28 Speaker 1: really like this a lot and absolutely, and so let's

0:33 Speaker 1: get into it. What what is this song about? I mean,

0:35 Speaker 1: I know what I took from it, but but tell us, uh,

0:39 Speaker 1: in your own words, what what is the meaning of

0:42 Speaker 1: this song? The Way We're Rolling?

0:44 Speaker 4: This song is about just being completely yourself and loving

0:47 Speaker 4: yourself for who you are and loving each other.

0:50 Speaker 1: And I think what I got from it too, it

0:53 Speaker 1: was also there's a strong message I think there about

0:56 Speaker 1: acceptance and yeah, and not you know a lot of

1:01 Speaker 1: people and in are current not to get into this

1:04 Speaker 1: part of it, really, but you know, just in America,

1:08 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you see it from over there. Uh,

1:11 Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a lot of attention, a lot

1:14 Speaker 1: of people who have problems with other people who are

1:16 Speaker 1: different from them. And unfortunately that's always a facet of

1:20 Speaker 1: American life to some degree, it seems like right now

1:22 Speaker 1: it's it's gotten pretty dicey. But and and so sometimes

1:29 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if they use the term

1:31 Speaker 1: there when talking about this, but in America, uh, people

1:34 Speaker 1: like to use the word tolerance or you know, you

1:36 Speaker 1: have to you have to tolerate people who are different.

1:38 Speaker 1: And I've never liked the word tolerance. I prefer the

1:41 Speaker 1: word acceptance because tolerance to me kind of sounds like, oh,

1:45 Speaker 1: you know, I don't really like people who are different

1:47 Speaker 1: from me, but I guess I can tolerate them, you know.

1:49 Speaker 1: I've always preferred the word acceptance. And that's when when

1:54 Speaker 1: I listen to that song, that's what I get from

1:56 Speaker 1: that song, that it's really about acceptance, because we should

2:00 Speaker 1: we should celebrate our distance, our differences, not be uh,

2:04 Speaker 1: you know, not be fearful because of them, and and

2:07 Speaker 1: not to ostracize people because of them or other wise people,

2:12 Speaker 1: but but we should accept them. And that's that's kind

2:14 Speaker 1: of what I what I got from that And and

2:16 Speaker 1: a sense of acceptance and solidarity. Am I Am I

2:19 Speaker 1: right about that? Or am I reading too much into it?

2:22 Speaker 5: Or what?

2:23 Speaker 1: Say you?

2:24 Speaker 2: No, You're absolutely correct.

2:27 Speaker 1: It is.

2:28 Speaker 4: It is a little bit deeper than just like loving yourself.

2:30 Speaker 4: It is about like all that kind of stuff. There

2:32 Speaker 4: is a lot of hate in the world at the moment,

2:35 Speaker 4: in probably all areas of the world, and I was

2:38 Speaker 4: I'm just sick of it. I was like, you know what,

2:41 Speaker 4: if a few people can aime a song and start

2:43 Speaker 4: accepting some other people, then my job's done.

2:46 Speaker 1: Like I'm happy, right right.

2:49 Speaker 3: Yeah.

2:49 Speaker 1: What's interesting too is because you know, yeah, there is

2:52 Speaker 1: a little bit of a deeper meaning. And and when

2:54 Speaker 1: we talked about Turn This Town Around, we we had

2:58 Speaker 1: kind of a similar discussion in the sense and by

3:00 Speaker 1: the way, we're gonna play that track again too. We're

3:02 Speaker 1: gonna play that one at the end of our conversation

3:04 Speaker 1: because I love I still love that song too. But

3:06 Speaker 1: what's so interesting about that song to me is, you know,

3:09 Speaker 1: if you're just listening to it sort of casually, not

3:12 Speaker 1: necessarily paying close attention to the lyrics, it just sounds

3:15 Speaker 1: like a catchy, fun song almost like you know, you're

3:19 Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna you're gonna, uh, you know, really

3:21 Speaker 1: make your mark in this town. This whatever talent it

3:24 Speaker 1: is you're referring to in the song, and you know,

3:26 Speaker 1: there's it's got a certain anthemic quality to it, But

3:29 Speaker 1: it's only if you really pay attention to the lyrics

3:31 Speaker 1: that you realize that there's something deeper going on. There's

3:34 Speaker 1: a deeper meaning, and you're expressing concerns that maybe other

3:38 Speaker 1: people don't have but should have, you know, things that

3:41 Speaker 1: we should all be be concerned about and worried about.

3:43 Speaker 1: So underneath that that sort of that catchy, fun vibe,

3:47 Speaker 1: there's a there's a real serious message there. And I

3:50 Speaker 1: I'm noticing with both of these songs, that's kind of

3:54 Speaker 1: the through line between them, right, they're both catchy and fun,

3:59 Speaker 1: But if you're paying attention, if you're paying attention to

4:02 Speaker 1: the lyrics, there's some very important messaging underneath that.

4:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely what I've been trying to do.

4:08 Speaker 4: I feel a lot of the time, if you have

4:11 Speaker 4: kind of a serious message and partner it with serious,

4:14 Speaker 4: gloomy music.

4:15 Speaker 2: People might just skip on.

4:16 Speaker 4: But if you can't put this serious message with some

4:19 Speaker 4: a bit more catchy and up be it'll make people

4:22 Speaker 4: hopefully like want to keep listening to it and then

4:26 Speaker 4: because of that understand the lyrics and the meaning behind it.

4:29 Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm. Is that important to you as an artist,

4:33 Speaker 1: because I mean, I'm sure that you know if you

4:36 Speaker 1: wanted to, and maybe you will in the future, maybe

4:39 Speaker 1: maybe you'll have a song that that really is just

4:41 Speaker 1: kind of catchy and fun and it's and that's all

4:43 Speaker 1: it is. It's just like a catchy fund sing along

4:46 Speaker 1: anthem or something. But is it is it really like,

4:48 Speaker 1: is it something that you do deliberately when you write

4:51 Speaker 1: these songs, you deliberately and intentionally put something serious underneath.

4:57 Speaker 1: Is that important to you as an artist?

5:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely is.

5:01 Speaker 4: I've got quite a mixed obviously, not the ones that

5:04 Speaker 4: are out now, but I've got some coming out that

5:06 Speaker 4: are just kind of fun, catchy. I've got one called

5:09 Speaker 4: X Business, which is just about like saying screw you

5:12 Speaker 4: to your X pre much and a few like that.

5:15 Speaker 4: But then I've also got these two and then.

5:18 Speaker 2: My next song that's coming out that's called look.

5:20 Speaker 4: At Me Now, and it's not quite as on a

5:23 Speaker 4: big scale as in it's more involving acceptance as a world,

5:27 Speaker 4: it's more like when people try and put you down,

5:31 Speaker 4: but your rise up and you're like, look at me, now,

5:33 Speaker 4: I'm better than ever. That kind of vibe, and that's

5:37 Speaker 4: gonna be a bit rockier. But I think for especially

5:40 Speaker 4: this first EP, that I'm releasing my whole theme as

5:43 Speaker 4: I want there to be these big messages within these

5:46 Speaker 4: catchy melodies. The second EP is where it's gonna go

5:48 Speaker 4: a little bit more fun.

5:51 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about that. So the trajectory so

5:54 Speaker 1: you have, so you have an EP, is the EP finished?

5:59 Speaker 4: The first one I finished recording them, but they're not

6:02 Speaker 4: out yet. I've only released the first two yet.

6:04 Speaker 1: Now, okay, so but the EP has done. So then

6:07 Speaker 1: what's what's kind of the Do you have an e

6:09 Speaker 1: t A on when the EP will be out?

6:12 Speaker 6: Uh?

6:13 Speaker 4: So I'm thinking, let me ever think, Yeah, it will

6:18 Speaker 4: be out a little bit, probably early April, late March

6:23 Speaker 4: around that time.

6:24 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, interesting? And then what is it? Five tracks?

6:28 Speaker 1: Six tracks?

6:29 Speaker 7: Yeah?

6:29 Speaker 2: It is, it's five.

6:30 Speaker 1: Five five Okay, very good, very good. It's it's so interesting,

6:34 Speaker 1: how you know, there's so many different ways to release

6:37 Speaker 1: music now in terms of you know, you can put

6:39 Speaker 1: out an EP and then singles or put out singles

6:41 Speaker 1: and then they coalesce into an EP or or you know,

6:44 Speaker 1: however you choose to do it. There's there's really uh

6:46 Speaker 1: limitless options. But I think the I think these first

6:50 Speaker 1: two are really strong. And then so will there be

6:53 Speaker 1: a third single before the EP or or will you

6:57 Speaker 1: or is the EP the next thing that's coming out

6:59 Speaker 1: or do you know yet?

7:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's going to be another single.

7:03 Speaker 4: It hasn't been announced yet, but it's gonna be in

7:06 Speaker 4: around two months time, okay, and that's look at me

7:08 Speaker 4: now that I was just talking about. Okay, and then

7:11 Speaker 4: we thought we want to wait until after Christmas because

7:14 Speaker 4: I think it gets a bit too busy then for

7:16 Speaker 4: people to bother about new music.

7:18 Speaker 2: So probably January ish. I was well wrong when I

7:22 Speaker 2: said April January ish.

7:23 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna we're.

7:25 Speaker 4: Gonna put out like the whole EPA with the last

7:28 Speaker 4: two songs.

7:29 Speaker 1: Okay, excellent. And then so but you're already talking about

7:32 Speaker 1: the next EP too. You you mentioned the next one,

7:35 Speaker 1: So what's what's your plan for the next one? Is

7:37 Speaker 1: the next one? Because I think you said that the

7:40 Speaker 1: next EP that you do is gonna be a little

7:41 Speaker 1: bit different.

7:43 Speaker 2: Yeah.

7:44 Speaker 4: So the next one is like a concept EP, so

7:47 Speaker 4: it's all about kind of this relationship journey. So the

7:52 Speaker 4: first song on it is called why Do I Like You?

7:56 Speaker 4: And it's all about liking this bad boy and not

7:58 Speaker 4: wanting to but you can't help it. That's the very

8:01 Speaker 4: poppy song, quite cynthie. Then you've got one called real Life,

8:06 Speaker 4: which is one of my rocky tracks, and that's about

8:09 Speaker 4: you're with this bad boye but you don't like it anymore.

8:12 Speaker 2: And you want to get out.

8:14 Speaker 4: Then you've got track three, which is called Sorry. At

8:17 Speaker 4: this point you've broken up and he's trying to get

8:19 Speaker 4: you back and you're saying sorry, but it's not going

8:24 Speaker 4: to happen. Then you've got exp Business, which is a

8:29 Speaker 4: very upbeat one. It's quite jazzy, and that one is

8:33 Speaker 4: very similar to Sorry in the theme, but this time

8:36 Speaker 4: you're with a new boyfriend and you're saying go away,

8:38 Speaker 4: stop bothering me.

8:39 Speaker 2: And then the final song on.

8:40 Speaker 4: That one, I'm currently writing it, and that's going to

8:43 Speaker 4: be you're with your new boyfriend and you're really happy.

8:46 Speaker 1: Oh okay, well so it has happy I mean no,

8:48 Speaker 1: that's cool. So you've got a whole you've got a

8:49 Speaker 1: whole story planned out. That's that's excellent. Yeah, that's excellent. Yeah. Yeah,

8:55 Speaker 1: And you're thinking ahead, you're thinking long term, which is cool.

8:57 Speaker 1: And I think we might have talked about this too

8:59 Speaker 1: that before when you're on the show, because you know,

9:01 Speaker 1: a lot of times, a lot of artists, you know,

9:04 Speaker 1: especially when when they're young in their career, you know,

9:06 Speaker 1: they just kind of throw a lot of stuff against

9:10 Speaker 1: the wall and see what sticks. And there's nothing wrong

9:11 Speaker 1: with doing that because sometimes sometimes that's your only option

9:15 Speaker 1: if you're if you don't have a long term plan,

9:17 Speaker 1: you don't have a plan, and sometimes figuring out a

9:19 Speaker 1: plan is just trying different things and seeing what works.

9:22 Speaker 1: But you've really got a thought out plan, and I

9:25 Speaker 1: think that's I think that's great. Is that important to

9:28 Speaker 1: you to have a sense of certainty about where you're

9:32 Speaker 1: going and what you're doing and how you're going to

9:34 Speaker 1: approach this? Is that important to you as an artist?

9:38 Speaker 8: Yeah?

9:39 Speaker 4: I think it's definitely very important because especially I've seen

9:42 Speaker 4: my brother is three years older than me, and he's

9:44 Speaker 4: been doing music since he was forty and he's twenty now,

9:48 Speaker 4: so I've seen him do everything, and I know how

9:50 Speaker 4: important it is to have these release plans and knowing

9:53 Speaker 4: exactly what's happening when in order to try and be successful.

9:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. I remember you mentioning your brother too.

10:00 Speaker 1: Does he refresh my memory now? And of course newer

10:03 Speaker 1: listeners who might not have heard our previous conversation. Is

10:05 Speaker 1: he involved in the production of your music?

10:09 Speaker 2: So he is in a few of the songs.

10:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got a mix of him and three of

10:14 Speaker 4: my mates from college who all play different guitar and

10:17 Speaker 4: bass parts because I write the songs and I can

10:20 Speaker 4: kind of just about play a bit of guitar and piano,

10:23 Speaker 4: but I'm not very good at it, so I get

10:24 Speaker 4: them to play it when I'm recording them.

10:26 Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha, gotcha? And what happens in terms of live

10:31 Speaker 1: do you do you play these out? Have you performed

10:34 Speaker 1: any of these songs live?

10:37 Speaker 4: So generally, when I've been performing my songs live, my

10:39 Speaker 4: brother's been around and he's played the songs in the background.

10:42 Speaker 1: Cool.

10:42 Speaker 4: But now as I'm recording the songs, I'm actually getting

10:47 Speaker 4: back in tracks for them as well, where I just

10:48 Speaker 4: hit my vocals off. So I'm nearly at the point

10:50 Speaker 4: where I could do a full set with just back

10:52 Speaker 4: in tracks.

10:54 Speaker 2: But behind the scenes, which.

10:56 Speaker 4: Is all top secret, I'm actually rehearsing with the band,

11:00 Speaker 4: some of my mates from college, and we're we're putting

11:02 Speaker 4: together a show for my eighteenth birthday next year in April.

11:07 Speaker 4: But it's all very secret we're doing. I'm going to

11:10 Speaker 4: release it in December and the tickets.

11:12 Speaker 1: Oh oh, very cool, very cool. Yeah, So I don't

11:16 Speaker 1: know how much more you can say about it, but

11:18 Speaker 1: I I all right, well, I'll ask you the question,

11:21 Speaker 1: and if you don't want to answer, I'll respect that.

11:23 Speaker 1: But but but are you planning to play the full EP?

11:27 Speaker 2: I am?

11:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, both EPs? Okay, awesome, Oh, very cool, very cool.

11:33 Speaker 1: All right, we'll have to have you back on before

11:35 Speaker 1: that happens, so we can, uh, we can get the

11:37 Speaker 1: update or if it's still a secret at that point,

11:39 Speaker 1: we'll see what more information we can get out of you.

11:41 Speaker 2: But single time and the outlet, well.

11:45 Speaker 1: We gotta have when the next single comes out to

11:47 Speaker 1: we'll have to have you back on for that too,

11:49 Speaker 1: because you know, we're we're fans. We like what you're doing.

11:54 Speaker 1: So now and so your brother and tell me again,

11:57 Speaker 1: is he does he have a band currently?

12:00 Speaker 2: He doesn't currently have about no?

12:01 Speaker 9: No?

12:01 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, because I remember you talking a little bit

12:04 Speaker 1: about him too. Did you come from a musical family?

12:07 Speaker 8: Like?

12:07 Speaker 1: Are your parents also musicians?

12:10 Speaker 2: Not all, but they love music.

12:12 Speaker 4: They've like blasted music in the house all the time

12:15 Speaker 4: since I was tiny, And my grandma is a singer,

12:19 Speaker 4: so we think he might have come from my grandma.

12:22 Speaker 3: Yeah.

12:23 Speaker 1: Well, also to just having obviously if they're if your parents,

12:26 Speaker 1: even if they're not musicians, but if they're very into music,

12:28 Speaker 1: I'm sure they're very supportive of what you're doing and

12:30 Speaker 1: that that can make a huge difference, you know, especially

12:33 Speaker 1: when you're starting out in your career, you know, having

12:35 Speaker 1: a family that really supports you and is uh, you know,

12:38 Speaker 1: encouraging you, you know, because sometimes you know, some some

12:41 Speaker 1: families don't necessarily encourage their kids. You know, they'll say,

12:45 Speaker 1: they'll say, oh, what what do you want to do

12:47 Speaker 1: this for? You know, you should be you should be

12:49 Speaker 1: more focused on whatever it is they think you should

12:51 Speaker 1: be doing. But you know, and they might not take

12:53 Speaker 1: it seriously. You know, we've all heard those stories of

12:56 Speaker 1: you know, the parents who were like, oh, don't, don't, don't, don't,

12:59 Speaker 1: don't do that, don't play in a band, don't make music,

13:01 Speaker 1: you know, just focus on school, focus on whatever. But

13:04 Speaker 1: I think if I remember correctly, though, are you in

13:06 Speaker 1: school now? Are you in college?

13:08 Speaker 10: Yeah?

13:09 Speaker 2: I'm in college, so over here that's ages.

13:12 Speaker 4: Sixteen to eighteen, okay, And I'm doing these things called

13:15 Speaker 4: A levels. I'm not sure if you know about them,

13:18 Speaker 4: but pretty much I've got to get through them under

13:21 Speaker 4: B tech.

13:21 Speaker 2: It's all sounded very confusing.

13:23 Speaker 4: But I've got to get through a few tests at

13:25 Speaker 4: the end of next year, so it'll be summer next year,

13:29 Speaker 4: and then I'm hoping to go to university, which is

13:32 Speaker 4: you do three years in UNI and then you can

13:34 Speaker 4: hopefully get this fancy certificate and get a job.

13:38 Speaker 1: Do you know yet? And I only ask because you know,

13:43 Speaker 1: I know you're a long term planner, Like, do you

13:45 Speaker 1: plan to study music when you go to university?

13:48 Speaker 2: No, I don't. I'm planning to do marketing and digital advertising.

13:53 Speaker 1: Well that's also very useful in the music industry certainly,

13:57 Speaker 1: so you know. So it sounds like, I mean, actually

14:00 Speaker 1: that might even be more helpful to you in terms

14:03 Speaker 1: of your music career, you know than you know, studying

14:07 Speaker 1: a lot of music theory and all that, like, you know,

14:09 Speaker 1: learning the marketing especially you know, in the era that

14:11 Speaker 1: we live in where you know, I'm old enough to

14:14 Speaker 1: remember when it was you know, a pre inter I'm

14:17 Speaker 1: generation X. You know, I'm the last generation to grow

14:20 Speaker 1: up without the Internet. So I've seen everything change so much,

14:23 Speaker 1: and I think it's more important and beneficial now than

14:26 Speaker 1: ever to really understand marketing as an artist, because it's

14:31 Speaker 1: not like when you know, you get signed to a

14:34 Speaker 1: label and they just do everything for you and all

14:36 Speaker 1: you have to worry about is show up and play

14:38 Speaker 1: and record or whatever.

14:39 Speaker 3: It is.

14:39 Speaker 1: Like now, the more control that you can have over

14:43 Speaker 1: your own marketing and distribution and social media, all of it.

14:47 Speaker 1: The more control that you can have, I think, the

14:51 Speaker 1: better off you are long term. And like I said,

14:54 Speaker 1: you know, you're obviously a long term planner, so so

14:57 Speaker 1: I think that's a great direction for you to go. Actually,

14:59 Speaker 1: I think I think I'll be very very useful to you,

15:01 Speaker 1: you know, and and something to fall back on too.

15:03 Speaker 1: That gives you, you know, you'll be able to, you know,

15:06 Speaker 1: get a job anywhere you want really with that kind

15:09 Speaker 1: of background, So I think that's great.

15:11 Speaker 4: There's so many jobs in that industry that I can

15:14 Speaker 4: go into. And then I think on the side, probably

15:17 Speaker 4: Friday Saturday evenings, I've got to pubs and do gigs there,

15:19 Speaker 4: so i'd still always have music.

15:21 Speaker 1: There you go, Yeah, there you go. Absolutely, I think

15:23 Speaker 1: that's a great I think that's a great direction to go. Well, Lydia,

15:26 Speaker 1: we appreciate you joining us again. Love the new single,

15:30 Speaker 1: and in a moment we're going to play turn this

15:32 Speaker 1: Town Around and we'll kind of we'll cap off the

15:35 Speaker 1: segment with that. But I want to make sure our

15:38 Speaker 1: listeners know where should they go online to keep up

15:40 Speaker 1: with everything that you're doing. Where's the best place to

15:42 Speaker 1: go online?

15:44 Speaker 4: So mostly on Instagram under Lydia Ready music ready spelled

15:49 Speaker 4: r E D D.

15:50 Speaker 2: Why that's on Instagram.

15:52 Speaker 4: But I do also have a Facebook account, but that's

15:55 Speaker 4: private at the moment because it won't let me change

15:57 Speaker 4: it until I'm eighteen. And it's the same with my

15:59 Speaker 4: TikTok accoun but I can accept people to go onto those.

16:02 Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, excellent.

16:04 Speaker 2: Well yeah, my Instagram's fully public.

16:06 Speaker 1: Any music okay, okay, very good and before we let

16:10 Speaker 1: you go in before we play this track, remind us

16:12 Speaker 1: again again for listeners who might not have heard our

16:15 Speaker 1: previous conversation about turn this town around? What what are you?

16:18 Speaker 1: What are you expressing with this song? I'll let you.

16:21 Speaker 1: I mean I kind of talked about it, but in

16:22 Speaker 1: your own words, what are you? What are you addressing

16:24 Speaker 1: with this?

16:26 Speaker 2: So this song, let's.

16:28 Speaker 4: Put it in easy terms, just kind of like looking

16:31 Speaker 4: after the world and looking after each other as much

16:34 Speaker 4: as you can do.

16:36 Speaker 1: Yep, yep, no, perfectly said, absolutely well, Lydia ready, Thank

16:40 Speaker 1: you so much. Always wonderful to talk with you. I

16:42 Speaker 1: look forward to I look forward to the next single

16:44 Speaker 1: and uh hopefully we can give it the American radio

16:47 Speaker 1: premiere here on this side of the pond when it's ready.

16:50 Speaker 1: So I look forward to speaking to you again. And

16:54 Speaker 1: we're gonna hit We're gonna hit this track. We'll let

16:56 Speaker 1: you go for now. But thanks Lydia, great, Thank you

16:59 Speaker 1: see later at it. Bye bye, all right. That is

17:02 Speaker 1: Lydia ready, And if you missed it, we played at

17:05 Speaker 1: the beginning of our conversation her newest single, The Way

17:09 Speaker 1: We're Rolling, which is which is great. But we might

17:11 Speaker 1: we might sneak it in again at the end of

17:13 Speaker 1: the show today because I really do like that song

17:14 Speaker 1: very much. But we're also going to play this to

17:16 Speaker 1: end our conversation and then Jenny and I will be

17:19 Speaker 1: back on the other side of this with h We've

17:21 Speaker 1: got another very interesting music industry news story to share

17:24 Speaker 1: with you. But here it is. This is Turned This

17:26 Speaker 1: Town Around. This is the first single. And by the way,

17:29 Speaker 1: we were the first American radio station to play this

17:32 Speaker 1: from Lydia.

17:33 Speaker 7: Ready, what's that sound? What's that sounded?

17:45 Speaker 8: Home?

17:45 Speaker 7: Our way up?

17:46 Speaker 3: Burns down?

17:47 Speaker 10: Make see scream and chef hand.

17:50 Speaker 9: Out, turn this town around?

17:53 Speaker 2: Stop and look this way. I made some use officials.

17:56 Speaker 10: What us here is what I see?

17:57 Speaker 9: And this is a travesty the earth are trying to

18:01 Speaker 9: know and you don't see the tragedy. It's all blurring

18:04 Speaker 9: all it's one and dies a blinded. We think it's typical,

18:09 Speaker 9: but that's just cause it's so shallow.

18:11 Speaker 7: My dad set sound?

18:14 Speaker 2: What set sound? Get our my way or burns down?

18:17 Speaker 9: Mixie and scream and shout and I'll turn this town round.

18:23 Speaker 9: Pee everywhere if it your parts and nurture and to

18:27 Speaker 9: care for this world of ours. I believe the earth

18:31 Speaker 9: will no longer fall apart. We conclude it al Baxica

18:39 Speaker 9: and find a piece of less forever.

18:42 Speaker 3: What's that sound?

18:44 Speaker 7: That's sound?

18:45 Speaker 2: Get my way O burns down.

18:47 Speaker 9: Mixie and scream and shout pan.

18:50 Speaker 2: I'll turn this town round.

18:52 Speaker 10: What's it sound?

18:53 Speaker 2: What's it sound?

18:54 Speaker 3: Down my way?

18:55 Speaker 10: Our burns down, maxy and scream.

18:58 Speaker 2: And shout pan.

19:00 Speaker 10: O's on this town around?

19:06 Speaker 9: What's its turn this town? What's it sound?

19:21 Speaker 3: What's it sound? What's it south?

19:24 Speaker 6: Away?

19:24 Speaker 10: I put down bakesy and screaming, shouts and outs on

19:29 Speaker 10: this town around.

19:30 Speaker 3: What's it sound? What's it sound?

19:33 Speaker 10: A way of booms down, takes, scream and shot and

19:38 Speaker 10: out on this town round.

19:52 Speaker 1: That is Lydia already turn this town around. And this

19:55 Speaker 1: is Matt Connor to unleashed and we are alive from

19:58 Speaker 1: the studios of w M and H ninety five three

20:00 Speaker 1: FM and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. And thank you again

20:03 Speaker 1: to Lydia for joining us today. And we did feature earlier. Yeah,

20:07 Speaker 1: we played the way We're rolling her newest single earlier

20:09 Speaker 1: in the show. We might we might cap off today's

20:11 Speaker 1: show with that one more time. We'll see we'll see

20:14 Speaker 1: how how the rest of the hour goes. But uh,

20:16 Speaker 1: if you are joining us live on Saturday, today is

20:19 Speaker 1: September twentieth, twenty twenty five, and we've got actually, Jenny

20:24 Speaker 1: found a couple of interesting, uh music industry stories. But

20:27 Speaker 1: this is from Billboard dot com. This this just happened.

20:31 Speaker 1: And this also relates to a subject that we've discussed

20:34 Speaker 1: many times on the show. Klan Kilanie slams AI artist

20:39 Speaker 1: Zania or Zannia Moneta. It's x A N I A.

20:44 Speaker 1: So I guess that's Zania Zannia Monet getting a three

20:48 Speaker 1: million dollar record deal. Uh, this is so beyond out

20:53 Speaker 1: of control, the musician told fans. Now, I don't know

20:55 Speaker 1: anything about this. This is the first time hearing about this.

20:57 Speaker 1: This is I didn't think there there even was such

20:59 Speaker 1: a thing as a three million dollar record deal anymore.

21:02 Speaker 1: I didn't. I thought that was a thing of the past.

21:04 Speaker 1: But so I don't understand. Let's we'll go through this

21:07 Speaker 1: here again. This is from Billboard dot Com. A few

21:10 Speaker 1: days ago, Billboard broke the news that an AI generated artist,

21:14 Speaker 1: Zania Monet, had signed a multimillion dollar record deal after

21:19 Speaker 1: meeting with multiple labels.

21:22 Speaker 11: This sounds very they thought over this person. It sounds like, yeah,

21:26 Speaker 11: but not person. It's not a person.

21:28 Speaker 1: And by the way, but even that, that's one thing

21:31 Speaker 1: about this is so strange. But the other thing that's

21:33 Speaker 1: so strange to me is a story about a new

21:36 Speaker 1: artist having multiple meetings with various labels to and this

21:40 Speaker 1: bidding war that that that sounds like something from thirty

21:43 Speaker 1: years ago. That doesn't sound like something that even happens

21:46 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. So that part's also strange to me.

21:49 Speaker 1: Everything about this is weird. Are we in an alternate universe?

21:52 Speaker 11: An artist I use that term loosely, who did all

21:56 Speaker 11: of their music.

21:57 Speaker 1: With Sunio, Yeah, which is the app that we use Sono,

22:00 Speaker 1: which is the act that we use. Yah.

22:02 Speaker 3: Sorry, I don't know why I said.

22:03 Speaker 1: I know why because the other, the other big one

22:05 Speaker 1: is Udio. So I think in your mind you created

22:08 Speaker 1: an amalgam of Suno and Udio and created Sudio.

22:11 Speaker 3: Yeah.

22:11 Speaker 1: I mean maybe maybe someday they'll merge and that'll be

22:13 Speaker 1: the new name.

22:15 Speaker 11: The creator is claiming they are the lyrics are theirs, Yeah,

22:19 Speaker 11: but they use Suno to make the music. Yeah, So

22:22 Speaker 11: the music is obviously not theirs.

22:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, it says here. In a recent TikTok, the singer

22:27 Speaker 1: songwriter Kilani shared their thoughts on how Wold Media reportedly

22:33 Speaker 1: shelling out three million dollars to sign the fictive musician,

22:38 Speaker 1: whose quote persona is operated behind the scenes by writer

22:42 Speaker 1: Talisha Nicki Jones, despite copyright concerns previously voiced by other

22:48 Speaker 1: major labels um So, a frustrated sounding Kilani told followers,

22:55 Speaker 1: without directly mentioning Monet or Jones, quote, there is an

22:59 Speaker 1: ai R and B artists who just signed a multimillion

23:02 Speaker 1: dollar deal and the person is doing none of the work.

23:06 Speaker 1: This is so beyond out of control unquote.

23:09 Speaker 3: It's wrong. It's wrong. It's wrong. It's wrong.

23:11 Speaker 11: They're using other people's music to create it. Suno uses

23:15 Speaker 11: everybody else's music to learn from. So if you're going

23:18 Speaker 11: there with your lyrics to quote make music, you're making

23:22 Speaker 11: music from other artists. Really, it's not coming out of

23:26 Speaker 11: your brain, but artistry comes out of your brain.

23:29 Speaker 1: But I also don't understand the most like this. But

23:32 Speaker 1: the most mind bending thing to me about this is

23:34 Speaker 1: again I don't like, why is somebody paying three million

23:36 Speaker 1: dollars for this?

23:37 Speaker 3: Because apparently these songs are going.

23:39 Speaker 1: Up the jar, but so what even even if they are,

23:42 Speaker 1: you don't pay in the year twenty twenty five, Why

23:44 Speaker 1: would anyone pay three million dollars for to anybody for anything.

23:49 Speaker 3: Apparently this was a big deal.

23:50 Speaker 11: They had this big, giant zoom meeting with the executive

23:53 Speaker 11: and this is bizarre to close this deal with the

23:58 Speaker 11: person what was I I can't remember that person's name

24:01 Speaker 11: is who created Zaniumone, who is not a human being?

24:06 Speaker 1: But what am I missing about? I mean, like, yeah,

24:09 Speaker 1: I mean, and I know the AI part is so suhard,

24:13 Speaker 1: but I'm still stuck on the other part of this. Like, honestly,

24:16 Speaker 1: if you took this story and you took the AI

24:19 Speaker 1: part out of it, and you just told me there

24:21 Speaker 1: was this new artist named Zaniamone who who had all

24:25 Speaker 1: these meetings and just got offered a three million dollar

24:27 Speaker 1: record deal, a brand new artists, this brand new artist

24:30 Speaker 1: I've never even heard of it. Even if you took

24:31 Speaker 1: the AI part completely out of the story, I would

24:33 Speaker 1: still be sitting here going what in the year twenty

24:36 Speaker 1: twenty five.

24:37 Speaker 3: They're charting, That's why the chart.

24:40 Speaker 1: But even that shouldn't matter. What greed talks Buck up this.

24:44 Speaker 3: They don't care. They can make a dollar, they'll do it.

24:47 Speaker 1: But how are they gonna make money?

24:49 Speaker 11: Like they're gonna make merch maybe? I guess where do

24:53 Speaker 11: they make money these days? It's downloads? Aren't the way?

24:56 Speaker 1: Nobody gets a three million dollar deal in twenty five?

24:59 Speaker 3: So what is in the deal? Though?

25:01 Speaker 11: Like, what exactly is in the deal? Obviously this artist

25:04 Speaker 11: can't go perform anywhere. There's no concerts for fictictional character

25:09 Speaker 11: unless they make a hologram.

25:11 Speaker 1: Well unless the author who created this character is going

25:13 Speaker 1: to do to do that. I don't know.

25:15 Speaker 11: Well, if they were going to do that, when they

25:16 Speaker 11: do that themselves to begin with, I'm assuming that they

25:20 Speaker 11: can't perform the way that their fake version can perform.

25:24 Speaker 3: I guess yeah, on a computer.

25:26 Speaker 11: It can't perform. Outside of a computer. You can't go

25:29 Speaker 11: to get tickets and go see them live unless it's

25:32 Speaker 11: a holograph. I don't think we Well we got those

25:35 Speaker 11: in Vegas, but they're not everywhere yet.

25:37 Speaker 1: Well you can, though, I mean if if if if

25:38 Speaker 1: she can sing, and she's if you know she can sing?

25:42 Speaker 1: If hire if you can hire a band to learn

25:45 Speaker 1: the songs, or you just play back in tracks or whatever.

25:47 Speaker 11: I mean, but that's not what they're saying. But that's

25:49 Speaker 11: not what they didn't sign her. They signed the fictitional character.

25:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's got to be like merch and stuff

25:57 Speaker 3: like that.

25:58 Speaker 1: Yes, that's like, that's a lot of money.

26:00 Speaker 3: For I don't like really.

26:03 Speaker 11: I actually am kind of shocked by it all because

26:05 Speaker 11: I didn't think that the music industry will legitimize it

26:10 Speaker 11: in this way, and now that they have, I don't

26:15 Speaker 11: like it.

26:16 Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it assescily. The

26:18 Speaker 1: vocalist Kilani went on emphasize the power of AI to

26:21 Speaker 1: create fully formed songs out of thin air without users

26:25 Speaker 1: having to credit anyone involved in making the countless copyrighted

26:28 Speaker 1: works on which such generative music systems are trained to craft.

26:32 Speaker 1: Monet's music. Jones used Suna, which is the same app

26:36 Speaker 1: that we we full disclosure. We played with, we played

26:39 Speaker 1: with it on the air, we did experiments, we created

26:42 Speaker 1: tracks about me becoming victorious in my long running feud

26:47 Speaker 1: with MC hammer.

26:48 Speaker 3: Yeah.

26:50 Speaker 11: I'm not saying it's not fun to play with, but

26:52 Speaker 11: to reward it, to pay for it, to legitimize it

26:57 Speaker 11: in the music industry as a valid.

27:02 Speaker 3: I don't know. I've also there too, real Flesh of

27:06 Speaker 3: blood humans.

27:07 Speaker 1: I've also used it full disclosure. I've used it to

27:09 Speaker 1: create theme music for a couple of podcasts, UH, Tough

27:14 Speaker 1: Bumps and UH. And I even made a song for

27:17 Speaker 1: the The AF the podcast only version of this show,

27:21 Speaker 1: although I'm not really I kind of changed my mind

27:24 Speaker 1: about the song I chose, but that I created with Suno.

27:26 Speaker 1: But anyway, it doesn't matter. But okay, So to craft

27:30 Speaker 1: Mone's music, Jones used Suno, though her manager Rommel Murphy

27:35 Speaker 1: emphasized to Billboard that his client personally writes all the

27:39 Speaker 1: original lyrics that Monet quote unquote sing.

27:42 Speaker 3: But not the music.

27:43 Speaker 11: And I argue that it's not without copyright infringement because

27:49 Speaker 11: every piece of music this thing used to create it,

27:54 Speaker 11: it learned from a human being. It didn't come out

27:56 Speaker 11: of thin air. It came out of a human mind

27:58 Speaker 11: that it stuck into a computer and spit this out. Right,

28:02 Speaker 11: So is that really not using somebody else's work, because

28:05 Speaker 11: I don't think it is. You're using everybody else's work

28:08 Speaker 11: to train it, and then it pulls from a thousand

28:11 Speaker 11: artists to make this song. Well, that's a thousand different

28:15 Speaker 11: artists' input that got into that song. It's not royalty free,

28:20 Speaker 11: y'all happy? Gee, look at like, I don't like the

28:22 Speaker 11: way the article comes across. It's like, oh, this is

28:25 Speaker 11: no that section you read about it being like royalty

28:30 Speaker 11: free and they can create that.

28:32 Speaker 1: Just I don't like it, it says here. Billboard has

28:38 Speaker 1: reached out to Jones's rep for comment. Kilani certainly isn't

28:42 Speaker 1: the only person in the industry with objections to Monet's deal.

28:45 Speaker 1: Sources previously told Billboard that several major labels had also

28:49 Speaker 1: been in talks with Jones, but ultimately walked away with

28:54 Speaker 1: respect to their collaborative copyright lawsuit against Suno last year. Yeah, there's, uh,

29:00 Speaker 1: there's a lawsuit. The labels are suing Souno. That's what.

29:03 Speaker 3: So why are somebody signing this person.

29:06 Speaker 1: Well, the company signing them isn't involved in that lawsuit obviously,

29:09 Speaker 1: But but that's why I tell people too, because you know,

29:15 Speaker 1: we we use Suno, I use soun know for some stuff.

29:18 Speaker 1: If you are using these uh these these uh large

29:22 Speaker 1: learning models, like you know, enjoy it while you have it,

29:27 Speaker 1: because the sharks are circling just so you know, Okay.

29:30 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't think it's gonna be I

29:32 Speaker 3: think that.

29:33 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think it's gonna gone. Yeah,

29:36 Speaker 1: oh I agree, but yeah. The basis of the lawsuit

29:40 Speaker 1: is that Sono allegedly infringed upon the copyright of the

29:42 Speaker 1: label's catalogs by using pre existing works to train its technology.

29:46 Speaker 1: The company disagrees with this characterization, arguing that its users

29:50 Speaker 1: are actually making entirely original works via fair use of

29:54 Speaker 1: the music in its database.

29:56 Speaker 11: Okay, but that's saying the same thing in a different sentence.

29:59 Speaker 11: You just this fair use is a very loosely used term.

30:04 Speaker 11: In that sentence, I think, I think.

30:06 Speaker 1: Well that's but well, that's the argument that the company

30:07 Speaker 1: the signed er is making now there and and so

30:11 Speaker 1: for people who don't know, so, fair use is when

30:13 Speaker 1: you're using someone else's material, but but but you're using

30:17 Speaker 1: it in a transformative.

30:19 Speaker 3: Way or educational way.

30:21 Speaker 1: So for example, if if you if you watch YouTube videos,

30:25 Speaker 1: you know, because people make reaction videos, especially you know

30:28 Speaker 1: in political uh uh YouTube. So for example, if you're

30:33 Speaker 1: commenting on on something on somebody else's video, you're using

30:38 Speaker 1: someone else's content and you're playing it and you're commenting

30:40 Speaker 1: on it as you do it. We had even recently

30:42 Speaker 1: discussed doing that with someone, but we decided not to

30:45 Speaker 1: because we don't want someone making angry phone calls to

30:48 Speaker 1: certain people. But that type of thing where you're using

30:51 Speaker 1: somebody else's content but you're commenting on it as you

30:54 Speaker 1: play it on your own channel, that's an example of

30:57 Speaker 1: fair use. The reason podcasters on YouTube are able to

31:00 Speaker 1: you that kind of thing is because it's transformative. They're

31:03 Speaker 1: taking they're using someone else's content to create their own

31:06 Speaker 1: content from that as they comment on it. And that's

31:09 Speaker 1: why those podcasters are protected.

31:11 Speaker 11: Huge difference because the material they're using, they're using it,

31:15 Speaker 11: it's still associated, it's still identified as the original. You're

31:20 Speaker 11: playing it, but it's the original. You know what's the

31:22 Speaker 11: person speaking? Is that person not them? They're not taking

31:27 Speaker 11: all of that and creating something.

31:30 Speaker 3: It's it's not.

31:31 Speaker 11: That you know, this is literally this is like I

31:36 Speaker 11: read every VC Andrews book and then I write a

31:38 Speaker 11: VC Andrews book because I read all of her books

31:42 Speaker 11: and just gurgitated out her own style, wording continued her story.

31:47 Speaker 11: Isn't that still her story? It's still her story? I'm

31:51 Speaker 11: I'm playing in her world. It's not like it's one

31:54 Speaker 11: thing together.

31:57 Speaker 1: I mean, if you took the characters and made exactly

31:59 Speaker 1: a basic yeah, well that would be then you'd be

32:02 Speaker 1: violating her intellectual property.

32:04 Speaker 11: Well, how are you not violating a musician's intellectual property

32:08 Speaker 11: when you're stealing the notes off of a page instead

32:10 Speaker 11: of the words off of a page.

32:13 Speaker 1: Now that just to play Devil's advocate. You know my

32:16 Speaker 1: counter argument, and you've heard me say this before, and

32:18 Speaker 1: by the way, at the end of the day, I

32:19 Speaker 1: will always argue on behalf of artists, about and protecting artists,

32:24 Speaker 1: and you know obviously where I come from. I think

32:26 Speaker 1: everyone understands that. But the the counter argument, and I

32:30 Speaker 1: do think it's a decent counter argument. So again I'm

32:32 Speaker 1: playing Devil's advocate. But when we talk about these large

32:35 Speaker 1: learning models sucking up all this information and then and

32:39 Speaker 1: then being able to create from it, if I how

32:43 Speaker 1: is that different from necessarily the human brain? So if

32:48 Speaker 1: I sit down and I write a song anything, wait,

32:52 Speaker 1: let me well, let me just finish my thought. Though

32:54 Speaker 1: again I'm playing Devil's advocate here, but let me just

32:56 Speaker 1: finish my thought. If I'm sitting down and I'm writing something.

33:00 Speaker 1: Anything that I write is informed and influenced by all

33:04 Speaker 1: the music that I've previously heard in my lifetime up

33:07 Speaker 1: to that moment. So therefore, how is that different?

33:11 Speaker 11: Because you are a human being using your mind, not

33:14 Speaker 11: a computer that can memorize everything verbatim, every signature, stamp,

33:19 Speaker 11: every note, every everything, every dissonance and replicate that precisely,

33:24 Speaker 11: you are a human.

33:25 Speaker 3: You cannot do that.

33:26 Speaker 11: You as a human can interpret what you hear, what

33:28 Speaker 11: you see, what you feel, and then reinterpret that into artistry.

33:32 Speaker 3: That's what artists do, right.

33:34 Speaker 11: You take a story, something that's pointed to you, You

33:36 Speaker 11: take a paint brush and you scart that around. That

33:39 Speaker 11: is you interpreting the world around you into that canvas, right,

33:42 Speaker 11: same thing a musician does, interpreting the world and putting

33:45 Speaker 11: it down on a sheet music.

33:47 Speaker 3: That's unique.

33:48 Speaker 1: Yeah.

33:48 Speaker 11: You taking all the knowledge that somebody gives you, go

33:51 Speaker 11: to college for ten years, you take all that knowledge

33:53 Speaker 11: to write something that's you, as a human being, creating

33:56 Speaker 11: something out of your own mind.

33:58 Speaker 3: It's not.

34:00 Speaker 11: Picture perfect pages in a computer that can literally just

34:05 Speaker 11: that's not creation. That's gluing stuff together just very.

34:11 Speaker 1: Quick yeah, yeah, just very quickly. I'm looking on YouTube.

34:15 Speaker 1: I just want to hear something from I Will Live, Like,

34:19 Speaker 1: what what could somebody possibly be paying?

34:22 Speaker 3: See?

34:22 Speaker 1: I'm still stuck on that part. What could somebody be

34:24 Speaker 1: paying three million dollars for? Okay?

34:26 Speaker 3: So uh, what's the going rate for artists these days?

34:30 Speaker 1: So it's not that, let's see Okay, Okay, So I

34:37 Speaker 1: found the YouTube page Xanny moon A. All right, I'm

34:40 Speaker 1: just gonna play this first song that pops up. Looks

34:42 Speaker 1: like this is the newest single. It's called back when

34:44 Speaker 1: Love Was Real? All right, this is the lyric video here.

34:48 Speaker 1: Let me it's probably an ad first, let me see.

34:51 Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like, what what could this be?

35:04 Speaker 5: M I want that back in the day kind of

35:11 Speaker 5: loving live stream? It was fell inside. It's no text

35:16 Speaker 5: nor manice, just loyalty and a little bit of respect

35:21 Speaker 5: before everybody knew your business.

35:25 Speaker 12: Before who you with turns suspicious, before the GPS and

35:30 Speaker 12: the past words to love A simple just me you

35:36 Speaker 12: take me back when Love was Real.

35:40 Speaker 1: I almost feel like she's trolling all of us with

35:41 Speaker 1: those lyrics.

35:42 Speaker 11: It doesn't sound any different from stuff you've created, you know,

35:45 Speaker 11: I'm I don't think it does.

35:46 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I don't get a few words in there.

35:50 Speaker 3: I don't.

35:50 Speaker 1: I don't get it like this.

35:52 Speaker 11: This so many people Okay, I'm not okay with this.

35:55 Speaker 11: You know this is wrong.

35:58 Speaker 3: It's a huge difference between human creation and computer creation.

36:01 Speaker 13: Wow.

36:02 Speaker 11: Humans don't have the ability to photo have a photographic

36:06 Speaker 11: memory of every single word note you know what I mean,

36:11 Speaker 11: every breath of the in a nation. Where's There's so

36:14 Speaker 11: much to what an artist does as a human.

36:16 Speaker 1: Although that does well, that raises a question though, what

36:18 Speaker 1: if an artist has a photographic memory, should but you're

36:22 Speaker 1: not gonna should they not make music? That's different atogh

36:29 Speaker 1: memories that.

36:29 Speaker 3: You're a human. But you're a human.

36:31 Speaker 11: You're still using everything that you've got to create something

36:35 Speaker 11: out of your own brain. It's not like a computer

36:39 Speaker 11: literally taking ones and zeros and realigning the ones and

36:42 Speaker 11: zeros and spitting it back at you, which is what

36:44 Speaker 11: I feel like it's doing. You're taking everybody else's music,

36:48 Speaker 11: here's your ones and zeros, rearrange it, spit it back out.

36:53 Speaker 3: That's not what a human being does.

36:54 Speaker 11: A human being takes life, experience, thought, feeling, passion, emotion,

36:59 Speaker 11: all of that. Everything they've learned, they've been around musicians whatever,

37:03 Speaker 11: and then create out of that. Yeah, big difference between

37:07 Speaker 11: rearranging it and creation.

37:10 Speaker 1: Justin Michaels is in the chat room. You know, he's

37:12 Speaker 1: a very loyal listener and supporter of actually all the

37:15 Speaker 1: programming that we're involved in. And he says, so you

37:18 Speaker 1: can you can use AI and get signed. Now, wow, that's.

37:24 Speaker 3: What I'm saying. Right, we just found this out.

37:26 Speaker 1: And he said, Matt, look out for Skynett.

37:29 Speaker 3: I think we've already gotten there at this point.

37:31 Speaker 11: Yeah, but it is it isn't right, it's not okay

37:34 Speaker 11: with me. Yeah, And you're never going to see this

37:38 Speaker 11: artist for in real life ever, they're not existent. You

37:43 Speaker 11: could see somebody pretending to be them, but you will

37:45 Speaker 11: never see them because they don't exist.

37:48 Speaker 3: They only exist in a computer.

37:50 Speaker 1: Well, let's move on from that because I just want

37:53 Speaker 1: to get this other story. But this also deals with

37:55 Speaker 1: you know, because I'm always fascinated by anything to do

37:58 Speaker 1: with copyright, intellectual proper. Pretty all of that is trademarks,

38:01 Speaker 1: All of that is very fascinating to me. Obviously I

38:04 Speaker 1: did not go to law school, but if I had

38:06 Speaker 1: the type of law that I would probably be practicing,

38:10 Speaker 1: would have to do with all that. I'd probably be

38:11 Speaker 1: an entertainment lawyer because these things are so interesting to me.

38:14 Speaker 1: But this is another story that you sent me. This

38:16 Speaker 1: is from pitchfork dot Com. Neil Young has been sued

38:21 Speaker 1: by Chrome Hearts Fashion over his band's new name. And

38:25 Speaker 1: by the way, I didn't even know that Neil Young

38:28 Speaker 1: had a new band. I you know, I just think

38:30 Speaker 1: of him as a solo artist, of course, but.

38:32 Speaker 3: I didn't know there was a fashion called Chrome I

38:35 Speaker 3: didn't either.

38:35 Speaker 1: Chrome Heart the Chrome Hearts, the Los Angeles company is

38:39 Speaker 1: not happy about the existence of Neil Young and the

38:42 Speaker 1: Chrome Hearts, so says here. Last year, Neil Young began

38:46 Speaker 1: to play shows with a new backing band that he

38:49 Speaker 1: called The Chrome Hearts. Then in June, Neil Young and

38:54 Speaker 1: the Chrome Hearts featuring Young, Micah Nelson, Corey McCormick, Anthony

39:00 Speaker 1: Lagerfo Or lagerfo and Spooner Old Him released their debut album,

39:06 Speaker 1: Taken to the Trees I'm sorry Talking to the Trees. Now,

39:11 Speaker 1: Young and his bandmates are being sued by the La

39:13 Speaker 1: fashion brand Chrome Hearts for trademark infringement. Chrome Hearts LLC

39:19 Speaker 1: filed its complaint in a California Federal Court on Thursday,

39:22 Speaker 1: September eleventh. The lawsuit was first reported by Billboard. In

39:26 Speaker 1: the complaint obtained by Pitchfork, lawyers for Chrome Hearts outline

39:31 Speaker 1: the brand's ownership quote of the Chrome Heart's word mark

39:35 Speaker 1: and composite trademarks comprising the Chrome Hearts mark and design

39:40 Speaker 1: components unquote, dating back to nineteen ninety one. They argue

39:46 Speaker 1: that Young and his bandmates are infringing upon the brand's

39:50 Speaker 1: trademark by selling Neil Young and the Chrome Hearts merchandise.

39:54 Speaker 1: That quote incorporates the exact Chrome Heart's word mark and

39:59 Speaker 1: thus likely to cause confusion with Chrome Heart's various Chrome

40:03 Speaker 1: Heart marks. The likelihood of confusion is not merely hypothetical.

40:08 Speaker 1: Some clothing and apparel vendors have apparently already mistakenly assumed

40:13 Speaker 1: that there is a connection between Neil Young and the

40:16 Speaker 1: chrom Hearts and Chrome Hearts, and are actively promoting that

40:21 Speaker 1: purported connection. For example, some vendors have started marketing T

40:26 Speaker 1: shirts that prominently display mister Young's name and the Chrome

40:30 Speaker 1: Heart's iconic stylization of the Chrome Heart's mark. I assume,

40:36 Speaker 1: by the way, so what that means is it's using

40:39 Speaker 1: the same font as the Chrome Heart's logo. I have

40:43 Speaker 1: to assume otherwise there would probably be no issue. I

40:46 Speaker 1: wouldn't think.

40:47 Speaker 3: I think you only had to be concerned about another

40:49 Speaker 3: band's name. Yeah, I wouldn't.

40:51 Speaker 1: I mean they're claiming, according to that from the lawsuit,

40:55 Speaker 1: that verbia's from the lawsuit, that it's already causing confusion.

40:59 Speaker 1: I find that heart of belief. If it is causing confusion.

41:02 Speaker 1: If that's true, then I guess that bolster is their case.

41:05 Speaker 1: But I'm a little skeptical. It says here. According to

41:08 Speaker 1: the complaint, Chrome Hearts notified Young's team in July about

41:12 Speaker 1: the alleged trademark infringement, but the band continued to tour

41:16 Speaker 1: under the banner and sell merchandise. Through the lawsuit, Chrome

41:19 Speaker 1: Herts is now requesting that Neil Young and the Chrome

41:21 Speaker 1: Hearts stop using the name. Pitchfork has reached out to

41:24 Speaker 1: representatives for Neil Young and the crom Hearts and lawyers

41:27 Speaker 1: for crom Hearts LLC for comment. So there you go.

41:32 Speaker 1: I don't really know what to make of that one.

41:34 Speaker 11: Right, I mean, I always thought it would be different

41:37 Speaker 11: if it's a band, like.

41:38 Speaker 1: How is it usually is?

41:40 Speaker 3: Banned, Like, how is that confusing?

41:43 Speaker 1: Usually if it's music, if it's completely different industries, then

41:49 Speaker 1: it usually doesn't end up mattering. But I don't know,

41:54 Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, does Chrome Hearts? I don't

41:56 Speaker 1: know what kind of fast Neil Young? I doubt it.

42:01 Speaker 1: But maybe maybe they're trying to get some money. Maybe

42:04 Speaker 1: they want maybe they'd like to make a settlement where

42:06 Speaker 1: Neil Young pays X amount of money to sort of

42:08 Speaker 1: license the name Chrome Hearts.

42:10 Speaker 11: Or are they doing this just to get more attention

42:12 Speaker 11: onto their products, because hey, it makes a great story.

42:15 Speaker 1: That could be talking about it. That could be too Yeah,

42:18 Speaker 1: because I'd never even heard of Chromarts and you.

42:20 Speaker 11: Didn't say anything about them sewing for money. Interestingly, well,

42:24 Speaker 11: they want them to stop using the name. Is there

42:26 Speaker 11: a cash requestion there?

42:28 Speaker 1: There there may be a well, like I said, I mean,

42:31 Speaker 1: if they can, if they can come to a settlement,

42:32 Speaker 1: which these things often do. They they more often settle

42:36 Speaker 1: than actually go to court. So they might come to

42:37 Speaker 1: a settlement where they effectively license the name Chrome Arts

42:41 Speaker 1: to Neil Young it's silly, or or they get a

42:44 Speaker 1: percentage of uh of of revenue generated from Neil Young

42:51 Speaker 1: merchandise which has chrome hearts on.

42:53 Speaker 11: If I see Neil Young and the cron Hearts up

42:55 Speaker 11: at this new arena, I know that that I'm going

42:57 Speaker 11: to be.

42:57 Speaker 3: Confused and go by clothing.

43:00 Speaker 1: That's the thing that would that that would be Yeah,

43:01 Speaker 1: that would be a good counter argument in the lawsuit.

43:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not like it's it.

43:06 Speaker 11: And it's not even like they're not even promoting the

43:07 Speaker 11: name separately. It's with Neil Young, so Neil Young and

43:10 Speaker 11: the Chrome. Right, it's not a separate name even right.

43:14 Speaker 1: If the band was simply called Chrome Hearts, that would

43:16 Speaker 1: be well.

43:17 Speaker 11: Even if they are, it's a band, it's not a

43:20 Speaker 11: clothing designer. Yeah, unless their T shirts start making music.

43:23 Speaker 1: I don't hear it, right.

43:25 Speaker 3: I think I'm saying.

43:30 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm a little I usually draw a

43:34 Speaker 1: pretty fast conclusion with this stuff. I'm a little I'm

43:37 Speaker 1: a little undecided. I'm uncertain of this.

43:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, usually.

43:44 Speaker 1: Surprises me too. I usually see these things a little

43:46 Speaker 1: bit more cut and dry.

43:46 Speaker 3: But I think it's stupid.

43:48 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not sure on this one.

43:49 Speaker 11: I don't see anybody mixing up clothing with and and

43:52 Speaker 11: the only merch they're selling is band related.

43:54 Speaker 1: So yeah, but there's but again from Cromhart's position, see

43:59 Speaker 1: they're gonna r you. Yeah, you're right, but what what

44:02 Speaker 1: what kind of merch do you sell that's band related clothing?

44:06 Speaker 1: T shirts, a T shirts. That's the argument they're gonna use.

44:11 Speaker 3: It's not a whole product.

44:12 Speaker 1: It's you know, it'd be one thing if they were

44:15 Speaker 1: just selling CDs, you know, or something. But you were

44:17 Speaker 1: in the same industry, you're selling merch But see, but

44:20 Speaker 1: that's all but see that, but that's the art. But

44:22 Speaker 1: they are, in a sense, and that's the arguments.

44:25 Speaker 3: The same industry. They're in music.

44:27 Speaker 1: Merchandising of clothing. That is the same. And if you're

44:31 Speaker 1: in the music industry, you're in the merch you're in

44:33 Speaker 1: the merchandise industry. You are going to.

44:35 Speaker 11: Follows brand clothing like a brand, which I don't. But

44:39 Speaker 11: people who follow brand clothing don't confuse it with musicians.

44:44 Speaker 11: They might get interested in a brand, but they're not

44:46 Speaker 11: gonna confuse it.

44:48 Speaker 3: Oh, I thought you were selling T shirts in here?

44:51 Speaker 3: Why are there so many drums? Like, come on, that

44:53 Speaker 3: doesn't happen.

44:54 Speaker 11: You don't go to the T shirts, you don't go

44:56 Speaker 11: to marshals walk over to the rack that's got chrome

45:00 Speaker 11: whatever here and look for Neil Young.

45:02 Speaker 3: It doesn't work that.

45:03 Speaker 1: Way, right, I'm sorry, I don't no, I I I

45:09 Speaker 1: hear you.

45:09 Speaker 3: Both of these stories are today.

45:12 Speaker 1: I'm just a little bit. I'm just a little bit uncertain.

45:14 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to follow that one closely as it

45:16 Speaker 1: moves forward.

45:17 Speaker 13: Let's to it.

45:18 Speaker 3: Than very curious I'm missing or something.

45:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very curious to see how that ends up.

45:24 Speaker 3: I don't see consumer confusion here.

45:26 Speaker 1: Well no, but from the from that statement from the lawsuit,

45:29 Speaker 1: it sounds like Chromart's is saying there's like confusion within

45:31 Speaker 1: the industry, within the fashion industry, give me a break,

45:34 Speaker 1: because they're getting orders from.

45:36 Speaker 3: Give me a break, I don't know, and.

45:39 Speaker 11: They're getting orders from stupid people that don't know the

45:41 Speaker 11: difference between a musician and clothing designers.

45:45 Speaker 3: I don't think I'm sticking to it. All right, we

45:50 Speaker 3: dug in.

45:51 Speaker 1: We gotta go, we gotta go. Jenny, you want to

45:54 Speaker 1: uh quickly plug the event we're we're going to today

45:57 Speaker 1: and your website because you've been up to a lot.

45:58 Speaker 1: Oh and you should mention too. And the union leader

46:00 Speaker 1: you're oh.

46:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Check out yesterday's Union Leader.

46:03 Speaker 11: I have an opted in there if you want to

46:05 Speaker 11: go check it out. And we are going to be

46:07 Speaker 11: leaving here and going to the Great North Alworks on

46:10 Speaker 11: wholdav here in the Queen City for the Pause and pints,

46:14 Speaker 11: fundraising and just a party a fun Come say hi

46:17 Speaker 11: to us, Damy Greed tacause they have all kinds of

46:19 Speaker 11: great beers and of course this is raising money that's

46:22 Speaker 11: staying here locally in New Hampshire to take care of animals.

46:26 Speaker 11: And I'm really curious to see what animal one and

46:28 Speaker 11: is gonna be pictured on the can of beer when

46:31 Speaker 11: we get there, so we're gonna check out that. And

46:34 Speaker 11: also just definitely check out the mosaic Are Collective, also

46:37 Speaker 11: located here in the Queen City. Check out their website.

46:39 Speaker 11: Lots of great things coming up there and as always,

46:42 Speaker 11: you can find more information on me and the Trouble

46:43 Speaker 11: I get into Good Trouble at Gencoffee dot com, j

46:47 Speaker 11: E N N co O F f e y dot com.

46:51 Speaker 1: And to keep up with everything I'm doing, my website

46:53 Speaker 1: is Matt Connorton dot com. Of course, in addition to

46:55 Speaker 1: the show, we have the podcast only version of the show,

46:58 Speaker 1: the AF version, which is completely separate from the He

47:02 Speaker 1: has no association with WM and H. That's something that

47:04 Speaker 1: we do separate from the radio station. But on that

47:07 Speaker 1: version of the show we have some conversations and guests

47:10 Speaker 1: that maybe are not suitable for the format of the

47:12 Speaker 1: radio version of the show, but you can find that

47:14 Speaker 1: in the podcast feed, you know, wherever you find Matt

47:17 Speaker 1: Connorton Unleashed in your your podcast platform of choice, you

47:21 Speaker 1: can you can also find the other version of the

47:22 Speaker 1: show we just did one Thursday night with our friend

47:25 Speaker 1: Brandon LeMay, which I suggest people check out, and also

47:28 Speaker 1: the other podcasts that we have Going Hanging Left and

47:31 Speaker 1: Tough Bumps. We'll have new episodes of those up soon

47:34 Speaker 1: as well, so Matt connorton dot com. You can find

47:36 Speaker 1: all of that there and thank you again. Of course.

47:39 Speaker 1: In the first hour we had Larry and how do

47:42 Speaker 1: you say his name? I don't want to mispronounce his name.

47:47 Speaker 1: We have the gentleman from Loud Entertainment here in the

47:50 Speaker 1: first hour, Larry. I can't I can't remember how to

47:53 Speaker 1: say his name correctly. But they've got a big show tonight.

47:56 Speaker 1: They've got a Godsmack and Metallic Attribute show happening tonight

48:00 Speaker 1: at jewel if you want to check that out too,

48:02 Speaker 1: And of course thank you. In the second hour Matt Axton,

48:04 Speaker 1: who will be at the Rex Theater right here in

48:07 Speaker 1: Manchester on September twenty fourth. We had a great conversation

48:10 Speaker 1: with him, and so he'll be coming to Manchester. And

48:13 Speaker 1: of course in the third hour we talked with Lydia. Ready,

48:15 Speaker 1: thank you again, Lydia. We're actually gonna end the show today.

48:18 Speaker 1: We're gonna play this again, her newest single. This is

48:21 Speaker 1: called the Way We're Rolling. I love this, very positive,

48:23 Speaker 1: very cool and uh, if you miss any part of

48:25 Speaker 1: today's show it we'll be up in just a little

48:27 Speaker 1: bit at Wmnhradio dot organ at my website Matt Coonnorton

48:31 Speaker 1: dot com. And that's gonna do it for us. For now,

48:32 Speaker 1: we're out of here. We'll talk to y'all a little

48:34 Speaker 1: bit later. Bye everybody, Bye bye.

48:42 Speaker 3: How can I clag this?

48:44 Speaker 9: I can I clag that it doesn't matter the week

48:47 Speaker 9: because I exist for me, I can walk or I

48:51 Speaker 9: can't trash. It doesn't matter the way because I talk

48:55 Speaker 9: for me. Chatter, Sen, chats up.

49:00 Speaker 14: You're some perfect even if you don't know, man, all

49:04 Speaker 14: my beer cor comma.

49:06 Speaker 8: Shoulder, all the way, I'm confident.

49:08 Speaker 15: And this is just the way we're rolling.

49:15 Speaker 8: This is just the way we're rolling.

49:23 Speaker 3: I can sit down, Oh all.

49:25 Speaker 9: Stand up to That is just the way it's kind

49:29 Speaker 9: of going.

49:30 Speaker 7: So I'll be me and you'll be you. That is

49:34 Speaker 7: what we've kind of you to try to get.

49:37 Speaker 8: Do you chant my sister, shots my brothers, you are.

49:42 Speaker 10: Some perfect even have your dog no man, call my

49:45 Speaker 10: beer common shoulder all the way I comforted.

49:49 Speaker 6: And this is just the way were rolling.

49:53 Speaker 14: Yeah, this is just the way we're rolling. Yeah, yea

50:05 Speaker 14: somewhere to hurt.

50:06 Speaker 3: Your others will hurt you.

50:08 Speaker 9: Turn over, think kid, they don't deserve you know there

50:12 Speaker 9: you'll come through everything there you do fee your own

50:16 Speaker 9: person thereby.

50:18 Speaker 6: For you live for you. You gotta shats my sinsir, shants.

50:35 Speaker 3: My brother you are some perfect man.

50:38 Speaker 6: If you don't know, man on.

50:40 Speaker 8: A pat on the shoulder, to the way I'm covered in,

50:44 Speaker 8: I'm bit.

50:46 Speaker 6: Yes, shuts my sis, just my girl.

50:49 Speaker 2: Start you want some perfect even if.

50:51 Speaker 6: You don't know, all my.

50:55 Speaker 15: My shoulder, all the way I'm coming in And this

50:58 Speaker 15: is just the way. This is just the like, this

51:12 Speaker 15: is just the way.

51:53 Speaker 13: Why like a boy? Oh I thank god.

51:57 Speaker 16: Now this is like a stupid boy and I was.

52:01 Speaker 13: When I was a kid.

52:03 Speaker 16: I got my face up in not toilets.

52:07 Speaker 8: With the geese side. Damn.

52:09 Speaker 3: I wasn't always a stoop pup, but when I was,

52:15 Speaker 3: I was a jump I.

52:18 Speaker 8: Didn't always look as I used to wap and go

52:24 Speaker 8: filled with us. I remember roll the man sounds and

52:30 Speaker 8: picked them along.

52:34 Speaker 16: It feels like someone that's shopping.

52:37 Speaker 6: Their tas fuck out of my arm. They ride Ness

52:45 Speaker 6: side go where no scene down bomb.

52:48 Speaker 13: Me roll up live.

52:50 Speaker 8: I ride mess side go where no scene down bomb

52:56 Speaker 8: me roll up live.

53:06 Speaker 13: Yeah, when I was in school, didn't make good grades.

53:19 Speaker 16: I was, yes, still being dumb school when I was

53:23 Speaker 16: still young, and all I cared about round was girls

53:28 Speaker 16: but stating and like my mpows

53:31 Speaker 13: I used to be, I just don't