Lyle Hutchins | Matt Connarton Unleashed

0:00 Speaker 1: What a great song. That is Stockholm Syndrome. That's the song.

0:03 Speaker 1: The artist is Lyle Hutchins and we're gonna talk to

0:07 Speaker 1: Lyle in just a moment.

0:08 Speaker 2: Welcome everybody.

0:08 Speaker 1: We have entered our number two New Marrow dose of

0:11 Speaker 1: Matt Connorton Unleashed. If you are listening live on Saturday

0:15 Speaker 1: July twenty six, twenty twenty five, we are broadcasting, of course,

0:19 Speaker 1: from the studios of WMNH ninety five point three FM

0:22 Speaker 1: and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. Jenny is here as well

0:25 Speaker 1: at the news table and joining us to be a

0:29 Speaker 1: Microsoft teams He's been waiting patiently Lyle Hutchins is here.

0:32 Speaker 3: Hello, Lyle, Hey, thanks for having me. Guys. Happy to be.

0:37 Speaker 1: Here, absolutely no, thanks for your patience. We are running

0:39 Speaker 1: a little bit behind this morning, but it's great to

0:41 Speaker 1: talk with you. Don't worry though, we have plenty of time.

0:43 Speaker 1: I love that song.

0:44 Speaker 2: That is great. I love your voice.

0:46 Speaker 1: Thank you absolutely Now is that relatively new? That's your

0:49 Speaker 1: newest single?

0:49 Speaker 2: Correct?

0:51 Speaker 3: So yeah? I just on June twenty seventh, I just

0:54 Speaker 3: released my debut album and it's fourteen songs and that

0:59 Speaker 3: one we just released a music video for on YouTube.

1:02 Speaker 2: So oh excellent.

1:04 Speaker 3: But yeah, so I've I've been. I just graduated from

1:10 Speaker 3: college in New Orleans, studying music and this is sort

1:14 Speaker 3: of my my big project is putting everything into so

1:17 Speaker 3: super happy for it to be out on the airwaves

1:20 Speaker 3: and everything.

1:21 Speaker 1: So, oh, congratulations. Are you in New Orleans now?

1:26 Speaker 3: No, I just moved back to New Hampshire. Actually, funny enough,

1:30 Speaker 3: I was in Manchester the other week, so.

1:32 Speaker 4: Oh no kidding, Yeah, yeah, what what's what's the bigger

1:36 Speaker 4: culture shock moving to New Orleans the first time, or

1:39 Speaker 4: or coming coming back after after going to school there.

1:44 Speaker 3: It's you know, I I don't know, probably moving to

1:47 Speaker 3: New Orleans for the first time. It's it's mostly the

1:51 Speaker 3: heat and getting used to how nice everyone is. People

1:55 Speaker 3: are nice here, but the I think the kind of

1:59 Speaker 3: trade mark New England bluntness, which personally I kind of like, like,

2:04 Speaker 3: you know, if you break down on the side of

2:05 Speaker 3: the road, somebody will help you, but they'll call you

2:07 Speaker 3: an idiot the whole time. But yeah, I think I

2:13 Speaker 3: think it's it's probably a bit of bolt Maybe I

2:16 Speaker 3: don't know.

2:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I get it, I get it.

2:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, the heat that I mean, it's it's humid there too, right,

2:22 Speaker 1: it's not a dry heat in Les. Yeah yeah, never

2:26 Speaker 1: never actually been, I've never actually been.

2:28 Speaker 3: But it's a great city.

2:30 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, no doubt.

2:32 Speaker 1: Now that you're back in New Hampshire, I mean, do

2:34 Speaker 1: you do you plan to sack ground up here or

2:35 Speaker 1: what's your what's kind of your next move?

2:38 Speaker 3: I'm not totally sure at this point, but I'm probably

2:42 Speaker 3: gonna stick around to Hampshire for a while, especially since

2:45 Speaker 3: I've been playing these shows and music stuff's been going

2:48 Speaker 3: pretty well. So yeah, I'm kind of seeing seeing where

2:51 Speaker 3: things will go, but I'm enjoying being back up here

2:54 Speaker 3: right now for sure.

2:55 Speaker 2: Yeah. Excellent, excellent.

2:56 Speaker 1: So tell me about your name, because I was reading

2:59 Speaker 1: something about you online that your name is actually uh well,

3:02 Speaker 1: tell us about the name Lyle Hutchins and where it

3:04 Speaker 1: comes from because it has a specific derivation.

3:08 Speaker 3: Yes, So my folks met in a like nineties alt

3:16 Speaker 3: country band and they were really inspired by people like

3:19 Speaker 3: Lyle love It. So that's where Lyle comes from. And

3:24 Speaker 3: actually got to meet Lyle love It my junior year

3:28 Speaker 3: of college. I got picked my college with a couple

3:32 Speaker 3: of other friends to go to Americana Fest in Nashville,

3:38 Speaker 3: and I got to meet him there and actually said, oh, yeah, like,

3:43 Speaker 3: I'm named after you, and he was, I'm so sorry.

3:47 Speaker 3: So it was really funny, but it turned out to

3:50 Speaker 3: be super nice guy. It was a very cool opportunity.

3:53 Speaker 3: But yeah, it was kind of a cool full circle

3:56 Speaker 3: moment for me personally. But yeah, that's where the name

3:59 Speaker 3: comes from.

4:00 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So your parents so they were in a

4:03 Speaker 1: band together in the nineties.

4:05 Speaker 3: M hmm, yeah, like a local It was called Selling Muicks.

4:08 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but I think it was.

4:14 Speaker 3: I don't know how long it lasted exactly, but yeah,

4:17 Speaker 3: that's uh. I get a lot of my musical influence

4:19 Speaker 3: from them and kind of the artists that they raised

4:23 Speaker 3: me listening to do.

4:25 Speaker 1: Uh did they teach you how to play or and

4:28 Speaker 1: and to sing or or did you kind of learn

4:30 Speaker 1: that on your own?

4:32 Speaker 3: So I yeah, I definitely My dad helped me with

4:38 Speaker 3: some very like basic guitar stuff when I was younger

4:42 Speaker 3: and getting kind of like accompanied me while I sort

4:47 Speaker 3: of sang my way through a couple of songs that

4:49 Speaker 3: I liked, but I didn't stick with it a ton.

4:54 Speaker 3: When I was I was in like a school choir,

4:56 Speaker 3: pretty young, So I did a lot of that, and

4:58 Speaker 3: I did some musical theater stuff, so I got a

5:01 Speaker 3: lot of singing kind of the technique of it from that. Okay,

5:05 Speaker 3: But guitar wise, I wanted to learn guitar when I

5:08 Speaker 3: was younger, but my dad had watched an interview with

5:12 Speaker 3: Prince where Prince was talking about how artists should have,

5:18 Speaker 3: you know, creative control and should be able to understand

5:20 Speaker 3: things like music theory, and so he was kind of

5:22 Speaker 3: pointing out that you should learn the piano first. So

5:25 Speaker 3: I actually learned piano before I learned guitar, which I

5:28 Speaker 3: do actually credit with a lot of my music theory knowledge.

5:32 Speaker 3: And I only picked up guitar at the end of

5:35 Speaker 3: sophomore year in high school. Okay, so I've been playing

5:38 Speaker 3: for about six years. Like seriously, I think i'd fooled

5:41 Speaker 3: around on it before.

5:42 Speaker 2: But yeah, but.

5:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense to what you were saying about

5:47 Speaker 1: learning piano first, because this is a subject that comes

5:50 Speaker 1: up on the show every once in a while. I've

5:52 Speaker 1: heard a lot of a lot of you know, music

5:55 Speaker 1: instructors and various people say over the years that that

5:59 Speaker 1: is a really good way to go because even if

6:01 Speaker 1: you have no interest, you know, even just learning some

6:03 Speaker 1: very basic keyboarding skills, even if you have no interest

6:07 Speaker 1: in playing a keyboard, it really kind of trains your

6:10 Speaker 1: brain to, you know, in terms of how to think

6:13 Speaker 1: of chord structures and learning music theory. Sadly, I did

6:18 Speaker 1: not start that way. I wish that I had. I

6:21 Speaker 1: can't play keyboard at all. I'm a bass player and

6:23 Speaker 1: I can play a little bit of guitar. But but

6:26 Speaker 1: I've heard so many people say that it really the

6:28 Speaker 1: ideal thing is to start on keyboard and then go

6:31 Speaker 1: from there because once you have that, everything else is

6:35 Speaker 1: going to be easier to learn.

6:36 Speaker 2: And it makes sense.

6:37 Speaker 1: I didn't know that Prince had said that, but it

6:39 Speaker 1: completely makes sense because and obviously he must have been

6:42 Speaker 1: onto something because Prince was one of those people who

6:44 Speaker 1: could play anything.

6:46 Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, totally, yeah, for sure.

6:49 Speaker 2: You know he had.

6:51 Speaker 1: I did hear him though. I heard him say in

6:53 Speaker 1: an interview once. So I think this was an interview

6:55 Speaker 1: that I read might have been in Rolling Stone, that

6:57 Speaker 1: people had a misperception of him that you know, he

7:00 Speaker 1: could just pick up any instrument and just know how

7:03 Speaker 1: to play it, that he was that much of a genius.

7:05 Speaker 1: And that it wasn't that it was that he just

7:07 Speaker 1: was able to learn to play anything, but there was

7:10 Speaker 1: still a learning process and he could learn he could

7:13 Speaker 1: learn very quickly, probably because he had those skills of

7:17 Speaker 1: learning on piano first. He could learn very quickly, but

7:20 Speaker 1: but he still had to learn how to learn to

7:22 Speaker 1: play everything.

7:24 Speaker 3: Yeah.

7:25 Speaker 1: I also read something about you that you like when

7:28 Speaker 1: you did a project in grade school and that was

7:31 Speaker 1: kind of like the beginning of your sort of almost

7:35 Speaker 1: an awakening of realizing that this is what you wanted

7:37 Speaker 1: to do.

7:38 Speaker 2: Is that correct?

7:39 Speaker 3: Yes, definitely. So I went to this very small.

7:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.

7:45 Speaker 3: I think I joined the school in sixth grade, and uh, yeah,

7:51 Speaker 3: it was. We had this thing called Olympics Studies. The

7:54 Speaker 3: school's Mount Shadows and it's near Dublin, Hahamshire anyways, Okay,

8:00 Speaker 3: but they they basically it was like I can't remember

8:03 Speaker 3: how long exactly. It probably felt longer than it actually

8:07 Speaker 3: was as a kid, but it was like two to

8:09 Speaker 3: four weeks out of the year. You would focus on

8:13 Speaker 3: one subject, like really intensely, and you could pick kind

8:17 Speaker 3: of what you wanted to focus on. And so in

8:21 Speaker 3: my eighth grade I was really interested in songwriting, and

8:26 Speaker 3: so I picked that and one of the people that

8:29 Speaker 3: worked at the school at the time is Duncan Pelletier,

8:32 Speaker 3: and he's a great musician and just a really nice guy,

8:37 Speaker 3: and he kind of took me to his apartment where

8:39 Speaker 3: he had like a little setup and we recorded some

8:42 Speaker 3: songs that I was writing, I think on the ukulele

8:45 Speaker 3: I actually because I didn't know how to play guitar

8:48 Speaker 3: at that time, but and recorded like a little EP

8:53 Speaker 3: that I still have stored away somewhere on my computer.

8:55 Speaker 3: But yeah, any and in short, that moment kind of

8:58 Speaker 3: I realized like, oh, I really loved doing this. I

9:01 Speaker 3: love the recording process, I love writing the songs, and

9:03 Speaker 3: I loved performing them. So it kind of just it

9:06 Speaker 3: all kind of came together and I realized, like, oh,

9:08 Speaker 3: this is really what I want to do. Yeah, So yeah,

9:12 Speaker 3: that was at that moment for me for sure.

9:14 Speaker 2: Did you say that you were playing the ukulele, I was, yeah.

9:19 Speaker 3: I mean I still have the same one lying around somewhere.

9:22 Speaker 1: Well, so you learned that before you learned guitar.

9:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think it was the it was the

9:30 Speaker 3: era of a lot of cringey white people on the

9:32 Speaker 3: internet playing like I looked back on and out it

9:36 Speaker 3: crumbs a little bit, but I think it was what

9:39 Speaker 3: was that song riptied by vance Joy? It was like

9:42 Speaker 3: a big thing in my when I was in eighth grade,

9:44 Speaker 3: and I think I had gotten euclid, and I think

9:47 Speaker 3: I just learned some like very because some of the

9:50 Speaker 3: like chords are just you just put one finger down

9:53 Speaker 3: or something, and so I didn't know exactly what I

9:55 Speaker 3: was doing, but I learned enough to be like, Okay,

9:57 Speaker 3: I like this and and that kind of thing. But

10:02 Speaker 3: I think I had a song on the EP that

10:04 Speaker 3: we made that was on piano as well. But yeah,

10:09 Speaker 3: that's where I started doing the more string instruments thing.

10:13 Speaker 2: Yeah.

10:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I assume, I mean, your parents must have

10:15 Speaker 1: been pretty supportive through all this, right as you're doing

10:18 Speaker 1: this as musicians themselves. I always say that's really important.

10:21 Speaker 1: If you have supportive parents, you know, who are gonna

10:23 Speaker 1: really help you kind of foster that and you know,

10:27 Speaker 1: and encourage you to keep going.

10:29 Speaker 2: I think that makes a big difference.

10:30 Speaker 3: Right, Definitely. I'm so grateful for them. They've been really supportive,

10:35 Speaker 3: like every step of the way, sometimes more supportive than

10:38 Speaker 3: I've been myself. But yeah, I'm really lucky to have

10:42 Speaker 3: them and just I think getting yeah, like the older

10:46 Speaker 3: perspective of someone who's actually been a musician and been

10:49 Speaker 3: in a band is great. Yeah, And just growing up

10:52 Speaker 3: with that like musical influence and a lot of the

10:55 Speaker 3: people they were listening to was pretty awesome too.

10:57 Speaker 2: So oh yeah, yeah, that's interesting what you said. A

11:00 Speaker 2: sometimes they may have pushed you more.

11:02 Speaker 1: Than you you know, or encouraged you more than you

11:05 Speaker 1: were able to yourself. Were there were there times when

11:08 Speaker 1: when you were getting discouraged, but they you know, they

11:11 Speaker 1: they obviously you know, obviously they believe in you. There

11:13 Speaker 1: your parents, right, But were they were they kind of

11:16 Speaker 1: uh sort of helping to push you along at times

11:19 Speaker 1: where maybe you, I don't know, maybe you were discouraged

11:22 Speaker 1: or maybe you were losing interest. You know, sometimes as

11:24 Speaker 1: we're growing up, sometimes our priorities change. I mean, what

11:27 Speaker 1: what do you mean, like expand on that a little bit.

11:30 Speaker 3: I think, you know, it's funny because they I definitely

11:34 Speaker 3: always had like a musical I wouldn't necessarily say natural talent,

11:39 Speaker 3: but I had an inclination. I just knew I liked it. Yeah,

11:44 Speaker 3: but I think they never really wanted to. They didn't

11:46 Speaker 3: want to be those parents that were like, you know,

11:48 Speaker 3: trying to make a prodigy prodigy out of their kid,

11:51 Speaker 3: and and so I think they were they they would

11:55 Speaker 3: kind of like gently nudge me in a direction. But

11:59 Speaker 3: you know, it's funny. I think I definitely there were

12:03 Speaker 3: a lot of moments like that where I kind of

12:05 Speaker 3: felt discouraged or because I didn't. I'm still quite bad

12:10 Speaker 3: at reading. I mean, I can read a churt Yard

12:12 Speaker 3: pretty well, but when it comes to standard notation, reading

12:14 Speaker 3: a melody and everything, especially guitar wise, I'm so slow.

12:20 Speaker 3: Part of it's just because it's not really what I've

12:22 Speaker 3: wanted to prioritize career wise, I put less time into it.

12:25 Speaker 3: But I you know, going to music school, especially where

12:31 Speaker 3: one of my favorite artists, Saint Vincent, she read a

12:35 Speaker 3: quote from her where she said she went to Berkeley,

12:40 Speaker 3: and she was talking about kind of musical athleticism, like

12:45 Speaker 3: the sort of competition that I can play this scale

12:48 Speaker 3: the fastest I can, like technical proficiency and instrument which

12:52 Speaker 3: I think is a great thing to learn. And I

12:54 Speaker 3: was very grateful that I got to learn from so

12:56 Speaker 3: many great mentors in music school. But sometimes is being

13:00 Speaker 3: surrounded by people whose only focus is technical proficiency versus

13:06 Speaker 3: like artistic you know, creation can be a bit demoralizing,

13:13 Speaker 3: and so I definitely started to feel that during kind

13:16 Speaker 3: of like midway through college, like I might not be

13:19 Speaker 3: technically proficient enough or you know, kind of just the

13:23 Speaker 3: I think you can lose perspective when you're when you're

13:26 Speaker 3: in a place where everyone is so good, that makes sense.

13:31 Speaker 3: So I think I think there are some of that.

13:33 Speaker 2: But yeah, that's interesting. That's interesting.

13:38 Speaker 1: And and tell me a little bit about about your influences,

13:41 Speaker 1: because you know, obviously I listened to UH, the single

13:45 Speaker 1: Stockholm Syndrome, but I also went back and was listening

13:47 Speaker 1: to UH on band camp some of your your earlier

13:51 Speaker 1: work too, And in fact, another another song that I

13:53 Speaker 1: really love is UH. Although I don't think this one's

13:56 Speaker 1: very this one might even be on the album mis

13:58 Speaker 1: Staying in Line on the album.

14:00 Speaker 3: Yes, it was one of the singles I put up.

14:03 Speaker 1: This Okay, yeah, that song I'm going to play at

14:05 Speaker 1: the end of our segment because I really like I

14:07 Speaker 1: really like that one too. But I'm curious about your

14:10 Speaker 1: influences because I can hear a lot of different things

14:12 Speaker 1: in there. It sounds like, uh, you know, and it

14:14 Speaker 1: makes sense that you know, your parents being musicians, it

14:16 Speaker 1: makes sense that you would be probably exposed to a

14:19 Speaker 1: lot of different kinds of music from a very young age.

14:21 Speaker 1: But but but I'm curious about who who influences your songwriting.

14:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's changed a lot. When

14:29 Speaker 3: I was growing up, I had a huge radio head phase,

14:32 Speaker 3: So there's that. Well though, yeah, I don't know that

14:34 Speaker 3: I'm as I still appreciate them, but and you know,

14:39 Speaker 3: there was I think stuff. I think there was things

14:41 Speaker 3: that trickled in from my folks like wilco Son Voult,

14:47 Speaker 3: like all that kind of nineties alternative country stuff. But

14:52 Speaker 3: I think the I really started coming into my own

14:55 Speaker 3: with some artists that I admired in high school. A

15:01 Speaker 3: huge one for me is Rustin Kelly. He's like a

15:04 Speaker 3: sort of Americana alternative country as well artist, and I

15:08 Speaker 3: just really connected with his songwriting. And he also fuses

15:14 Speaker 3: elements of things like pop punk and and some electronic

15:20 Speaker 3: things into his songwriting, and that really inspired me. I'm

15:23 Speaker 3: also a huge Bony Bear fan, so I've listened to

15:28 Speaker 3: I'm Yeah, I've enjoyed every album from the beginning, and

15:32 Speaker 3: that was a when I was in middle school. My

15:34 Speaker 3: dad played me for Emma Forever ago and that really

15:39 Speaker 3: kind of sparked something within me songwriting wise. I'm also

15:43 Speaker 3: a huge Snail Mail fan, especially for her first album, Lush.

15:49 Speaker 3: I think she was a huge reason why I started

15:51 Speaker 3: playing guitar. Was just really inspired by her electric guitar

15:57 Speaker 3: style because she'd play electric, but she'd played fingerstyle a lot. Yeah,

16:01 Speaker 3: so that was something that I was always kind of

16:03 Speaker 3: drawn to, and so it's changed a lot. Those are

16:07 Speaker 3: those are three big ones. Recently, I've just I've been

16:12 Speaker 3: on a huge Tyler Childers kicks. I've been really enjoying

16:16 Speaker 3: his stuff. Okay, but yeah, it's been It's been a

16:19 Speaker 3: little bit of a little bit of everybody. I'm sure

16:22 Speaker 3: there's some more. I think I'll tack on two other

16:25 Speaker 3: quick ones. Porches is A is a project that I'm

16:31 Speaker 3: a huge fan of. Just the kind of d I

16:35 Speaker 3: Y do yourself thing has always appealed to me, especially

16:38 Speaker 3: with like the home recording aspects, and that's something that

16:43 Speaker 3: that band does really well. And also for similar reason,

16:47 Speaker 3: Josie and the Vonnaville's is a big influence for me too.

16:50 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, and what and and tell me about your

16:54 Speaker 1: your lyrics a bit, because it feels like, again, I

16:57 Speaker 1: listened to it to quite a few songs, and you know,

17:01 Speaker 1: they're not they're not simple. Uh yeah, I feel like

17:07 Speaker 1: I feel like you're almost like you as as a

17:10 Speaker 1: protagonist in the songs. You're you're working through some things.

17:13 Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. I mean, I mean it's deep stuff.

17:17 Speaker 1: Tell me about kind of your point of view in

17:19 Speaker 1: terms of your lyrics. Obviously different songs, different different backstories,

17:23 Speaker 1: but but I'm very curious about that.

17:26 Speaker 3: I mean, I think this whole album. So the album's

17:29 Speaker 3: called flat Lander, and I took it from sort of,

17:33 Speaker 3: you know, the regional New England thing of just referring

17:37 Speaker 3: to people from I guess, flatter parts in the country. Yeah,

17:41 Speaker 3: but I I thought it was kind of funny. But

17:44 Speaker 3: I also sort of after living in New Orleans for

17:46 Speaker 3: four years, I kind of realized, like, I've become a

17:49 Speaker 3: flat Lander. And I just think that the the process

17:55 Speaker 3: of moving down there, and just like, honestly, these last

17:59 Speaker 3: four to five years of my life changed me a

18:03 Speaker 3: lot in a lot of really positive ways. But the

18:05 Speaker 3: road there was often quite difficult. And I struggled as

18:09 Speaker 3: a lot of kind of tendencies towards like self isolation

18:14 Speaker 3: and just low mood and a lot of issues like that,

18:20 Speaker 3: nothing too crazy, but just generally feeling pretty like discontented

18:24 Speaker 3: with my life despite things being overall pretty all right.

18:29 Speaker 3: And so I think that's a lot of what these

18:32 Speaker 3: songs are about. The one you just heard, Stockholm Syndrome

18:37 Speaker 3: is specifically about just feeling stuck. So I'm from Chesterfield,

18:42 Speaker 3: New Hampshire, which is I think it has three thousand residents.

18:47 Speaker 3: Oh wow, the town. Yeah, it's not even like classified

18:51 Speaker 3: as a town. I think it's classified as a village.

18:54 Speaker 3: It's a great place and the people who live here

18:56 Speaker 3: are wonderful, but you know, it's mostly old generation, and

19:01 Speaker 3: when you're young, it can feel very just like, oh,

19:03 Speaker 3: there's nothing to do. And I also a lot of

19:08 Speaker 3: my schooling and education kind of felt pretty restrictive at times,

19:14 Speaker 3: especially throughout high school. And I also just I think

19:18 Speaker 3: I was one of those people that because I had

19:22 Speaker 3: parents who pushed me in good ways, but I was

19:25 Speaker 3: like pretty academically decent, not to toot my own horn

19:28 Speaker 3: too much, but during high school, and so I think

19:32 Speaker 3: the pressure of always trying to exceed myself and that

19:36 Speaker 3: eventually started getting to me and I started getting like

19:38 Speaker 3: migraines and this thing where I'd break out in hives.

19:44 Speaker 3: I think some of it might have been like the

19:46 Speaker 3: hormonal you know stage where I was growing up. But

19:50 Speaker 3: long story short, I was dealing all of that, and

19:52 Speaker 3: I was dealing with a lot of anxiety and these feelings.

19:54 Speaker 3: And I think going to college, especially in the Deep

19:57 Speaker 3: South where well especially New Orleans that can really only

20:00 Speaker 3: speak to New Orleans, but where there's just there's like

20:04 Speaker 3: a there's a different pace of life, partially because the

20:08 Speaker 3: heat slows everyone down, like you just can't you can't

20:12 Speaker 3: go do a million things. And I also think they've

20:14 Speaker 3: been through so much tragedy and upheaval that there's there

20:18 Speaker 3: is a sense of like people trying to lift each

20:20 Speaker 3: other up. And so I think going down there, I

20:24 Speaker 3: kind of like took a took a breather, and it

20:29 Speaker 3: gave me some perspective to look at a lot of

20:31 Speaker 3: these things. So I think that's what in a nutshell

20:34 Speaker 3: a lot of the songs are about.

20:37 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I mean I can relate to the

20:40 Speaker 1: part about too you were saying I'm someone who you know,

20:43 Speaker 1: I deal with depression and and this this is no

20:45 Speaker 1: no secret to people who were longtime listeners of the show.

20:48 Speaker 1: I'm pretty open about it. But but I know something

20:51 Speaker 1: you said that resonated with me is, you know, when

20:53 Speaker 1: it seems like life is going pretty much okay, but

20:56 Speaker 1: you just don't feel right, you know, And I can

21:00 Speaker 1: relate to that, and I think a lot of people

21:01 Speaker 1: can relate to that and connect with it, you know,

21:02 Speaker 1: and you're you're not even sure why you're feeling, why

21:06 Speaker 1: you're feeling the way you are, you just are and

21:09 Speaker 1: yet and it's hard to and it's hard to identify,

21:11 Speaker 1: and and people who don't experience anything like that, they

21:13 Speaker 1: can't relate to it. So it's hard to explain to

21:16 Speaker 1: people sometimes too, why you feel that way if they're

21:18 Speaker 1: if they're looking from the outside and saying, well, you know,

21:21 Speaker 1: it looks looks to me like everything's pretty good, and

21:23 Speaker 1: and you're kind of feeling like, yeah, everything is pretty good,

21:25 Speaker 1: and yet I don't feel good right totally?

21:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, yeah, definitely.

21:31 Speaker 2: That's a that's a common thing. How so, so how

21:34 Speaker 2: are you? How are you today?

21:35 Speaker 1: I mean you sound upbeat and positive, I mean, are

21:39 Speaker 1: things better or are things I mean, you just grat

21:42 Speaker 1: in college, so you're still adjusting in some ways. But

21:45 Speaker 1: that must be a relief though, too, I would guess, oh.

21:47 Speaker 3: For sure. I mean, yeah, and honestly, I had a

21:50 Speaker 3: great college experience, but it was it's definitely a relief

21:54 Speaker 3: to be to be done. I was like, yeah, You're

21:56 Speaker 3: never gonna have to write a ten page paper again.

22:00 Speaker 3: So those but no. But in all seriousness, uh, I

22:05 Speaker 3: think I'm you know, I'm readjusting being back up here

22:09 Speaker 3: and and just you know, a big change my life.

22:11 Speaker 3: But aside from that, I'm doing pretty well actually, which

22:16 Speaker 3: is which is good. And yeah, I've I've kind of

22:19 Speaker 3: stayed in touch with a lot of my friends up here,

22:21 Speaker 3: so it's been nice to kind of reconnect to the

22:23 Speaker 3: community and kinda yeah, just be doing all this music

22:29 Speaker 3: stuff feels pretty great too. So I'm yeah, no, I'm

22:32 Speaker 3: in a pretty good place now. And I think for me,

22:34 Speaker 3: that's when I play these songs live especially, it feels

22:37 Speaker 3: very I don't know, it feels kind of cathartic and

22:41 Speaker 3: triumphant at the same time, like not like all my

22:44 Speaker 3: problems are gone, but I've kind of I've moved beyond

22:48 Speaker 3: that period of my life and I kind of feel

22:51 Speaker 3: like I can look back at those moments from with

22:53 Speaker 3: a different perspective. Yeah yeah, so yeah.

22:56 Speaker 1: Well something that comes up on the show, This comes

22:59 Speaker 1: up constantly the show, in fact, it would seems, is

23:03 Speaker 1: you know, the the idea of creating art and using that.

23:06 Speaker 2: As a way to work through whatever it is it's

23:08 Speaker 2: bothering you.

23:10 Speaker 1: And and because you know it's it's it's a great

23:13 Speaker 1: form of therapy in a sense, right, because you're creating something.

23:16 Speaker 1: You're taking something negative, you know, whether it's anxiety or

23:19 Speaker 1: whatever it is, and a trauma that you're dealing with

23:22 Speaker 1: and creating art from that, you know what I mean?

23:26 Speaker 1: What could be better than that? Right, taking that that

23:28 Speaker 1: negativity and darkness and creating something that not only is

23:31 Speaker 1: cathartic for you, but other people can relate to and

23:34 Speaker 1: get something from it too. So you're also sort of

23:37 Speaker 1: passively helping others at the same time while you're actively

23:39 Speaker 1: helping yourself by creating this art. And so I think

23:43 Speaker 1: that's great and I'm glad you're feeling better. What what's

23:46 Speaker 1: kind of your do you have? Do you have kind

23:50 Speaker 1: of mapped out in your idea, a trajectory for where

23:53 Speaker 1: you want to take things going into the future. In

23:56 Speaker 1: terms of your career. I mean, obviously the album, the

23:58 Speaker 1: album flat Lander is pretty new, so I assume you're

24:01 Speaker 1: largely focused on promoting that. But do you have some

24:04 Speaker 1: kind of long term goals or are you just kind

24:05 Speaker 1: of figuring things out or I mean, yeah.

24:09 Speaker 3: I think I definitely wanna, yeah, keep promoting this album,

24:15 Speaker 3: and really my goal is just to get in front

24:17 Speaker 3: of as many people as I can. I think that,

24:23 Speaker 3: you know, long term, I'd love for this to be,

24:25 Speaker 3: you know, my full time career, and I'm kind of

24:29 Speaker 3: willing to put in the grind to do that. So

24:32 Speaker 3: for me right now, it's just a lot of it

24:35 Speaker 3: is just playing wherever we'll have me, you know, playing

24:38 Speaker 3: as many shows as I can, and kind of keep

24:41 Speaker 3: promoting things on social media. And really, i'd you know,

24:47 Speaker 3: i'd like to get to a point where I can start,

24:49 Speaker 3: you know, kind of opening for for other people. And

24:52 Speaker 3: and I want to personally, I mean, for immediate future

24:55 Speaker 3: next steps, I'd love to just get more connected to

24:57 Speaker 3: the musical community around here and you know, link up

25:01 Speaker 3: with some other bands and artists. You know, outside my

25:05 Speaker 3: sort of immediate bubble, but yeah, I mean ultimately long term,

25:10 Speaker 3: I'd really love to make this my full time career.

25:12 Speaker 3: So a lot of that is just uh yeah, I

25:16 Speaker 3: guess just grinding it out for lack of a better term.

25:20 Speaker 2: Is that is that challenging at all?

25:21 Speaker 1: Because geographically you're in uh you know, you're not exactly

25:24 Speaker 1: in a booming metropolis.

25:26 Speaker 2: Right.

25:28 Speaker 3: No, and it may you know, necessitate at some point

25:31 Speaker 3: in the future a move move to somewhere like that.

25:37 Speaker 3: But I think, you know, I actually feel like the

25:42 Speaker 3: southern New Hampshire, sort of western mass like this general

25:46 Speaker 3: area music scene. I don't know, there's, at least for me,

25:50 Speaker 3: a lot of my one of my favorite artists have

25:52 Speaker 3: swung by here sometimes even fifteen minutes. Next week you're

25:56 Speaker 3: gonna go see John Morland and Braderborough. And I just

26:00 Speaker 3: was at the Green River Music Festival and saw Wax

26:05 Speaker 3: Hatchie and m J. Lenderman there, which is great. So

26:08 Speaker 3: I don't know. I think, I think that there's a

26:11 Speaker 3: cool kind of music scene. But obviously I think if

26:15 Speaker 3: I really want to make this at some point in

26:16 Speaker 3: the future full time thing, I'm gonna have to tour extensively,

26:19 Speaker 3: So that'll that'll definitely be part and that's a big

26:23 Speaker 3: part of like next steps. I have a friend my

26:25 Speaker 3: friends is she's also a singer songwriter, and she lives

26:30 Speaker 3: in Atlanta. So we're gonna, I think, at some point

26:33 Speaker 3: in the future we want to do kind of like

26:35 Speaker 3: a up the East Coast sort of tour and get

26:39 Speaker 3: that under our legs and then see see how things go.

26:42 Speaker 3: So but yeah, I'm kind of still figuring it out

26:46 Speaker 3: from being honest, but sure, but yeah, that's sort of

26:49 Speaker 3: the trajectory thus far.

26:51 Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent, Well, I think you're off to a great start.

26:53 Speaker 1: And congratulations on the release of Flatlander. I assume it's

26:56 Speaker 1: on all the streaming platforms and everything.

26:58 Speaker 3: Yes, it's out everyone. And I've got two music videos

27:04 Speaker 3: and a lyric video on my YouTube channel for that.

27:07 Speaker 3: So one of my songs, M I A got fifty

27:11 Speaker 3: five thousand views and five k likes, so that was

27:14 Speaker 3: pretty awesome, that is. Yeah, and it also got my

27:18 Speaker 3: so my friend Peam we went to high school together

27:22 Speaker 3: and Peem's an incredible filmmaker and so he helped me

27:26 Speaker 3: with both these music videos we did and we submitted

27:29 Speaker 3: M I A to a bunch of film festivals and

27:31 Speaker 3: we got we just got screened in one in Pennsylvania,

27:35 Speaker 3: the MMM Film Fests. So that was really cool. Oh

27:39 Speaker 3: so I'm just really stoked at the response that I've

27:42 Speaker 3: gotten thus far. I've got some press pieces out as well,

27:45 Speaker 3: and yeah, so that's that's been pretty great.

27:50 Speaker 2: Yeah.

27:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can check it out, check it out wherever

27:53 Speaker 3: on all the all the platforms.

27:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, excellent, by the way, and I congratulations, it sounds

27:58 Speaker 1: like M I A Is doing really well. That's fantast

28:01 Speaker 1: I will tell you something kind of funny. I wanted

28:04 Speaker 1: to play that one because I really like that song.

28:07 Speaker 1: But the only real that there's right at the end,

28:10 Speaker 1: there's a there's a word that I would have to Now,

28:12 Speaker 1: I do make radio edits sometimes if I really want

28:15 Speaker 1: to play something, if the artist doesn't have a radio

28:17 Speaker 1: edit available, I'll just make one. And I wanted to

28:19 Speaker 1: do it for that song, and I almost did, but

28:21 Speaker 1: then I was like, geez, you know what I feel

28:23 Speaker 1: like in this particular instance, if I do that, it

28:26 Speaker 1: kind of wrecks the song in a way, even though

28:29 Speaker 1: the word appears at the very end of the song.

28:33 Speaker 1: But it's kind of it kind of puts a stamp

28:36 Speaker 1: on the song lyrically, and it's like if I take it,

28:40 Speaker 1: because you know what I do is I call it

28:42 Speaker 1: the poor Man's radio edit. I just reverse it wherever

28:45 Speaker 1: the swear is.

28:45 Speaker 2: I just so.

28:46 Speaker 1: But I was like, but I was like, if I

28:48 Speaker 1: do that to that song, I don't know, I think

28:51 Speaker 1: it kind of I don't want to. I don't want

28:53 Speaker 1: to inadvertently tamper with your art and wreck the song,

28:57 Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

28:58 Speaker 3: I know I appreciate that. I mean I think I'd

29:01 Speaker 3: thought about submitting that one, and then I remember the

29:03 Speaker 3: radio edit and I had a similar feeling of like

29:06 Speaker 3: I think it would take out a little bit of

29:08 Speaker 3: the punch and the story of the song.

29:10 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.

29:12 Speaker 3: But but people, can you know, check that out on

29:15 Speaker 3: their own if they're interested.

29:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I encourage people to do that. But

29:21 Speaker 1: I also, I do really like this track staying in

29:23 Speaker 1: line that we're gonna play in a moment. Can you

29:25 Speaker 1: tell us anything about the lyrics to this? I feel

29:27 Speaker 1: like there's a message here.

29:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there's a there's a very concrete story as well.

29:32 Speaker 3: Because so I was I can't remember which year of college,

29:36 Speaker 3: but I was back in the area and my friends

29:40 Speaker 3: I will name names because they wish to be an

29:43 Speaker 3: autous even though the names get named in the song.

29:46 Speaker 3: But whatever. Yeah, But they they were throwing this New

29:54 Speaker 3: Year's party. And I'm not a huge I've never been

29:56 Speaker 3: a huge like partyer or drinker personally, but yeah, I've

30:01 Speaker 3: just never really appealed to me. And I think I

30:03 Speaker 3: have a bit of There's some alcoholism on both sides

30:06 Speaker 3: of my family, so I should be a little aware

30:08 Speaker 3: of that. Not not my folks, but just extended family.

30:11 Speaker 3: So sometimes I wonder about anyways, that's a bit of

30:15 Speaker 3: a there is.

30:16 Speaker 1: There is research for the shows as a genetic component

30:19 Speaker 1: to that, and that is good to be aware of.

30:21 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, So.

30:23 Speaker 3: I you know, I think for that reason, I've I've

30:25 Speaker 3: I'm a little bit more moderate with it. But I

30:28 Speaker 3: ended up going to my friend's party and we were

30:30 Speaker 3: we all sort of were hanging out and his older

30:35 Speaker 3: brother there. They had made this big bonfire and his

30:38 Speaker 3: alter brother was like in a forklift and just like

30:42 Speaker 3: shoving loads of hay onto the fire. It was just

30:44 Speaker 3: like this very chaotic kind of goofy ridiculous, Like we

30:48 Speaker 3: there was a bottle in the fire and we were

30:50 Speaker 3: just watching it melt and we were like joking that

30:52 Speaker 3: that's what you do in New Hampshire, is like this

30:54 Speaker 3: is the only fun thing to do. So it was

30:57 Speaker 3: it was, it was, you know, it was just a

30:58 Speaker 3: goofy time. But on a deeper level, I think that

31:02 Speaker 3: song is about kind of you know, when you travel

31:06 Speaker 3: and when when you know you grow up you become

31:09 Speaker 3: a different person. And I think for me going to

31:12 Speaker 3: New Orleans and and kind of I gained a lot

31:14 Speaker 3: more confidence and I thought about things differently and kind

31:16 Speaker 3: of got out of my bubble. And I think coming

31:20 Speaker 3: back and being with friends you kind of can have

31:24 Speaker 3: a different relationship with them than you did previously. Yeah,

31:28 Speaker 3: And and I think for me in the long term

31:31 Speaker 3: that's been awesome. And we've actually had a lot of

31:34 Speaker 3: these friends that I've stuck with, like have We've had

31:36 Speaker 3: a deeper connection than we had previously. But I think

31:40 Speaker 3: that initially it can be a little like jarring, you know,

31:43 Speaker 3: or like feeling like everyone else's lives are moving on

31:46 Speaker 3: without you. M M. And So that's kind of the

31:50 Speaker 3: kind of duality that I was trying to put into

31:53 Speaker 3: words with that one.

31:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, that that makes that makes a lot of sense

31:57 Speaker 1: to me. I think, uh yeah, because I really cannected

32:00 Speaker 1: to this one when I looked and you know, and

32:02 Speaker 1: I read the lyrics to on band camp and really, yeah,

32:04 Speaker 1: this one, this one really connects with me on that way.

32:06 Speaker 2: So I totally get what you're saying. So we will.

32:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna play that in a moment to finish up.

32:11 Speaker 1: But Lyle, where's the best place to go online for

32:15 Speaker 1: people who want to keep up with everything that you're doing,

32:18 Speaker 1: you know, follow your your career as you as you

32:21 Speaker 1: go forward. Maybe you've got shows coming up?

32:23 Speaker 2: Do you have anything? Are you playing anywhere this weekend?

32:25 Speaker 2: By the way that you want to plug too.

32:27 Speaker 3: Yes, I thank you for that. I yes, I'm gonna

32:30 Speaker 3: be playing in Nashua at Terminus Underground, which is one

32:35 Speaker 3: thirty four Haynes Street, and there's a fifty dollars cover.

32:39 Speaker 3: It's going to be myself, Jesse Rudstein, Conceptacor and Joshua

32:44 Speaker 3: Nobody as well as a bunch of art vendors excellent

32:48 Speaker 3: and I believe depending on whether if it rains, it's

32:51 Speaker 3: still gonna happen. It's just gonna be inside the venue,

32:54 Speaker 3: but if it's a nice day out, we're going to

32:55 Speaker 3: have it out kind of in the lot and will

32:58 Speaker 3: be a cool little art fair. I'm gonna be performing

33:01 Speaker 3: from two to three, but you should show up with

33:03 Speaker 3: the whole event, which is from one to six tomorrow.

33:08 Speaker 2: So very good.

33:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my most recent show and super stoked. And

33:14 Speaker 3: the folks over there connected me with y'all, so oh yeah,

33:18 Speaker 3: super happy about that. And there they seem like a

33:21 Speaker 3: really great venue and just awesome people, so oh absolutely, no,

33:25 Speaker 3: we love that'll be a great one.

33:26 Speaker 1: We love Terminus. Eleanor and Andre are amazing. And have

33:29 Speaker 1: you actually physically been there yet?

33:32 Speaker 3: No, I'm really excited to check it out.

33:34 Speaker 2: I have not.

33:35 Speaker 1: I tell everyone the same thing. When the first time

33:37 Speaker 1: you walk into that room, it's like stepping into another world.

33:40 Speaker 2: It's so cool.

33:41 Speaker 3: When you've seen the pictures, it looks really cool.

33:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, it is, it's it's it's awesome. So

33:46 Speaker 1: you'll you'll have a great time there. And uh, where

33:49 Speaker 1: where should people? Where should people go online to keep

33:51 Speaker 1: up with everything?

33:52 Speaker 3: Yeah? So the best place is my website, which is

33:55 Speaker 3: just lyle Hutchins dot com. That's L Y L E.

33:58 Speaker 3: H u t c h ionist dot com and then

34:02 Speaker 3: you can also check out my social media. I'm on

34:05 Speaker 3: all I'm on TikTok, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, all that stuff.

34:10 Speaker 3: And that's all Lyle Hutchins music. Okay, okay, yeah, those

34:16 Speaker 3: those are the best, so anywhere you like. I also

34:19 Speaker 3: have a mailing list on my website, so if anybody

34:21 Speaker 3: wants more regular updates for me, that's where you can

34:24 Speaker 3: find that. And I think that's about it for where

34:29 Speaker 3: people can find me.

34:30 Speaker 1: Sure sure outstanding, outstanding. So we're gonna hit this track.

34:33 Speaker 1: We're gonna play this station stayed in line. This is

34:35 Speaker 1: from the new album from Lyle Hutchins. Uh and this

34:39 Speaker 1: is your debut album, correct, yes, the first full length

34:43 Speaker 1: yeah uh so this is this is really good. So

34:46 Speaker 1: the new album flat Lander from Lyle Hutchins. And we're

34:48 Speaker 1: gonna play this and we'll let you go. Lyle, thank

34:51 Speaker 1: you so much for joining us today. We'll definitely do

34:53 Speaker 1: this again in the future as you're releasing new music

34:55 Speaker 1: and we want to keep up with everything that you're doing.

34:58 Speaker 1: So h so we really appreciate that and have a

35:00 Speaker 1: great show at Terminus.

35:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much. Really great to be on

35:05 Speaker 3: here and I really appreciate you guys having me, so

35:07 Speaker 3: thanks again.

35:08 Speaker 2: You got it all right, Thanks Lyle. Take care,