Matt Connarton Unleashed 1-17-26 hour 3

0:00 Speaker 1: W m n H will rip the normals.

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0:47 Speaker 3: Welcome everybody. We have entered our number three numerow trace

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1:06 Speaker 3: live for all of your live streaming options, social media links,

1:10 Speaker 3: contact info, show archives, etc. Etc. Today is Saturday, January seventeen,

1:15 Speaker 3: two thousand and twenty six. Hey, by the way, I

1:21 Speaker 3: did put this up on YouTube on the IBM Nation

1:25 Speaker 3: YouTube channel, but myself and Eric Pilcher. Of course, Eric

1:30 Speaker 3: and I host a podcast on the weekends. We'll be

1:33 Speaker 3: doing another one Sunday night, of course, Tough Bumps, and

1:37 Speaker 3: Eric has contributed many times to this program with his

1:41 Speaker 3: classic film reviews, which we'll be coming back at some

1:43 Speaker 3: point in the future. But Eric and I were actually

1:45 Speaker 3: mentioned on a very popular podcast called Nobody Likes Onions

1:50 Speaker 3: hosted by Patrick Melton. And I've been a fan of

1:54 Speaker 3: Patrick Melton and his podcast for a long time, so

1:57 Speaker 3: it was kind of cool to see that on YouTube

2:00 Speaker 3: he had mentioned US, and but I did clip the

2:03 Speaker 3: the specific part where he talks about Eric Pilter and

2:06 Speaker 3: I and I did put it up on the IPM

2:08 Speaker 3: Nation YouTube channel. So I think the title of the

2:11 Speaker 3: video is Matt Connerton and Eric Pilcher mentioned by Patrick

2:14 Speaker 3: Milton on Nobody Likes Onions. So if you find the clip,

2:17 Speaker 3: you know, I'm not going to get into why he

2:21 Speaker 3: was talking about us. I will leave that to you

2:24 Speaker 3: to find the clip and watch it. But all will

2:26 Speaker 3: be evident and apparent. When you watch the full clip,

2:31 Speaker 3: you'll get the context of it. But anyway, that was

2:34 Speaker 3: kind of fun. I thought i'd mentioned that. But Tough

2:36 Speaker 3: Bumps will be on of course tomorrow night, Sunday night,

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2:46 Speaker 3: when you're doing a streaming show. I mean, obviously a

2:48 Speaker 3: radio show has to be at a set time every

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2:54 Speaker 3: when you do a live radio show with podcasts and streaming,

2:57 Speaker 3: you can kind of do it however you want. You

2:59 Speaker 3: know a lot of successful streamers in this day and

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3:17 Speaker 3: just get it later. I mean, I know with Tough Bumps,

3:19 Speaker 3: a lot of our listeners just get the show later

3:22 Speaker 3: because we don't really announce because we're never really sure

3:24 Speaker 3: exactly what time we're going to be on. But anyway,

3:26 Speaker 3: but we will be on at some point tomorrow night.

3:28 Speaker 3: Tough Bumps streams on YouTube and Facebook and Twitch and

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3:43 Speaker 3: if you check out the show on YouTube. Anyway, I

3:48 Speaker 3: wanted to mention that quickly. But the other thing I

3:49 Speaker 3: wanted to mention is so tonight, and I refer to

3:52 Speaker 3: this early in the show today. But for those of

3:54 Speaker 3: you listening live on Saturday, January seventeenth, tonight, there is

3:57 Speaker 3: a show at Jewel Jewel Music Venue at sixty one

4:01 Speaker 3: Canal Street right across the street actually from where we

4:03 Speaker 3: are here at WM ANDH. Tonight it is Pulsifier. They've

4:09 Speaker 3: been on the show with us and they are playing

4:12 Speaker 3: a show tonight. Let's see. They are going to be

4:14 Speaker 3: there with Ashes of the Priest, which is a Lamb

4:17 Speaker 3: of God a tribute band, and a Sun and Steel

4:21 Speaker 3: which is an Iron Maiden tribute band. Also bug bag

4:25 Speaker 3: Lady almost said bug Lady. Bag Lady is going to

4:27 Speaker 3: be there. But this is Pulsifier's last show in the

4:32 Speaker 3: area before they go out on their big national tour.

4:35 Speaker 3: They're going back out on tour. They're based in Portland, Maine,

4:38 Speaker 3: I believe, but they're going to be here tonight in Manchester.

4:41 Speaker 3: They invited Jenny and I to go to the show,

4:43 Speaker 3: so we will be there. Pulsifier great band. I'm actually

4:46 Speaker 3: going to play one of their tracks in a moment

4:47 Speaker 3: that we featured the last time they were on the

4:49 Speaker 3: show with us. But so that is going to be tonight,

4:51 Speaker 3: so Jenny and I will be there, So come down

4:53 Speaker 3: and say hello. Show starts at eight pm at Jewel

4:57 Speaker 3: It is twenty one plus Jewel Music Venue, sixty one

5:00 Speaker 3: Canal Street right here in Manchester. That will be happening

5:03 Speaker 3: this evening. I'm sure the roads will be fine. It's

5:05 Speaker 3: been snowing here, but it's been a light snow. For

5:08 Speaker 3: those of you watching early, we put on the wad shot.

5:11 Speaker 3: If you happen to be watching the video of the show,

5:14 Speaker 3: you can see on the big screen behind me. Roads

5:16 Speaker 3: are fine. It's still snowing, but it's it's light. It's

5:19 Speaker 3: not a big deal. It's not adding up to anything.

5:21 Speaker 3: So so far this winter, I feel like we've only

5:23 Speaker 3: had one real major snowstorm, but which is not unusual.

5:29 Speaker 3: Winter's here. You know, I grew up in New Hampshire.

5:30 Speaker 3: Winter's here definitely easier than when I was a kid,

5:33 Speaker 3: that's for sure. We had a lot less snow than

5:35 Speaker 3: we did when I was growing up. But let's do this.

5:39 Speaker 3: I want to play a track from Pulsifier, my personal favorite.

5:43 Speaker 3: So I'll be a little bit selfish here, but this

5:46 Speaker 3: is this is a song called Venomous Thing. Sounds really

5:48 Speaker 3: good live. I'm sure they'll play it live tonight at Jewel.

5:51 Speaker 3: But this is such a great track. Then when we

5:53 Speaker 3: come back from this, we got a little music news

5:55 Speaker 3: to cover. So some interesting things that have happened recently

5:58 Speaker 3: in the music industry. But here it is, this is

6:00 Speaker 3: this venomous thing and the band is Pulsifier.

6:57 Speaker 1: Clungs with a head.

7:01 Speaker 4: He much cool, shadows, cool did yesterday.

7:09 Speaker 1: Dancing with move and you can't be saved from.

7:17 Speaker 5: Said arts.

7:18 Speaker 2: Really when you came up to.

7:24 Speaker 6: You say, can you'll find been all little spir Chevy star.

7:36 Speaker 7: Somewhere the.

7:40 Speaker 5: Hart me look at Jewelren been all.

7:46 Speaker 1: Girl spir come back to pray? So why let you fa.

7:58 Speaker 8: And don't be placed in it?

8:01 Speaker 5: You don't want to go uted by face and.

8:09 Speaker 1: I don't want to know.

8:13 Speaker 5: You gonna missed poison.

8:18 Speaker 4: You.

8:18 Speaker 7: Kurt say, I'm getting my.

8:23 Speaker 5: Bloxary now it's just summer.

8:28 Speaker 1: Try Sam Chevy the god what okay?

8:48 Speaker 5: Don't come about okay?

8:57 Speaker 1: So what can't you.

9:02 Speaker 7: Vic don't try say.

9:06 Speaker 5: Nating control, shooting your veno like shots of control.

9:18 Speaker 2: Hold don't me.

9:22 Speaker 1: Try not to try?

9:26 Speaker 5: Could stop hold me under choice?

9:31 Speaker 1: Mostpirable?

9:32 Speaker 5: Dan sat offers.

9:42 Speaker 1: Show it was gone from okay again, Jo.

9:58 Speaker 7: Come back?

10:00 Speaker 5: Don't want you again? Not says j J.

11:26 Speaker 7: Had stop cook ber what b J down to?

11:47 Speaker 8: What fraid to that down? What fraid that down? W

11:55 Speaker 8: brad to that down?

12:17 Speaker 3: That is venomous thing. The band is Pulsifier and they

12:21 Speaker 3: are playing tonight, January seventeen at Jewel Music Venue, right

12:27 Speaker 3: across the street from where we are here at the

12:29 Speaker 3: radio station. Jewel is at sixty one Canal Street, and

12:32 Speaker 3: they are going to be performing tonight and come see

12:34 Speaker 3: Jenny and I were going to be there for that,

12:36 Speaker 3: So really looking forward to that. It's such a great band,

12:38 Speaker 3: and I wanted to, you know, I did mention some

12:41 Speaker 3: music news and it's funny. I had forgotten about this

12:44 Speaker 3: something that happened recently, a couple weeks ago, and then

12:46 Speaker 3: we have a couple things that are a little more recent.

12:49 Speaker 3: But in case you missed this story, this is kind

12:52 Speaker 3: of fun. This happened closer to the beginning of the month.

12:55 Speaker 3: But what reminded me of it is one of the

12:57 Speaker 3: bands playing tonight with Pulsifier, a Jewel happens be a

13:00 Speaker 3: Lamb of God tribute band, and Lamb of God was

13:04 Speaker 3: in the news recently for kind of a silly reason.

13:06 Speaker 3: But here's what happened. So this is from Billboard dot Com.

13:10 Speaker 3: Stub Hub apologizes after mistakenly listing Lamb of God as

13:15 Speaker 3: Christian concert The metal bands frontman joked about the mistake

13:19 Speaker 3: on his social media So if you miss this, here's

13:21 Speaker 3: what happened. So heavy metal fans in South Carolina were

13:25 Speaker 3: disappointed to discover that the Lamb of God concert they

13:28 Speaker 3: expected was actually a performance about the birth of Jesus Christ,

13:33 Speaker 3: you know, because it was Christmas time. Ticket reseller stub

13:37 Speaker 3: hub apologized on Monday, December twenty second after accidentally listing

13:42 Speaker 3: the Virginia based rock band instead of Christian musician Andrew

13:47 Speaker 3: Peterson's Behold the Lamb of God, a concert featuring music

13:51 Speaker 3: about the stories of Christ, held at the Spartanburg Memorial

13:55 Speaker 3: Auditorium on December twentieth. So, just to be clear, Just

14:00 Speaker 3: to be clear, So it was not that this production

14:03 Speaker 3: was also called Lamb of God. The name of the production.

14:08 Speaker 3: The full name of the production was Andrew Peterson's Behold

14:13 Speaker 3: the Lamb of God, not simply Lamb of God. But

14:17 Speaker 3: stub Hub put it on their website as simply Lamb

14:21 Speaker 3: of God, so they were clearly derelict in this. It

14:27 Speaker 3: says here again. This is from Billboard dot Com. In

14:30 Speaker 3: the days leading up to Peterson's show, the stub Hub

14:33 Speaker 3: listing featured a photo of Lamb of God frontman Randy

14:38 Speaker 3: Blythe and listed the concert as a top trending event

14:43 Speaker 3: at the Spartanburg Memorial Auditorium, according to CBS affiliate WSPA

14:49 Speaker 3: in Spartanburg. Yeah, so, not only did they screw up.

14:54 Speaker 3: I don't know if this is an AI think maybe

14:55 Speaker 3: they let AI do their listings. I don't know. But

15:00 Speaker 3: not only did they list it as simply Lamb of God,

15:03 Speaker 3: but they actually put a picture of the lead singer

15:05 Speaker 3: of Lamb of God. So, you know, anyone who bought

15:09 Speaker 3: tickets to this, you know, it's not it's certainly not

15:14 Speaker 3: on them. It's not you know, sometimes consumers don't pay

15:17 Speaker 3: attention to what they're buying, certainly, but that's not the

15:21 Speaker 3: case here.

15:22 Speaker 9: This was.

15:23 Speaker 3: This could not have been more misleading, I say misleading.

15:26 Speaker 3: I don't think it was intentional. I don't think stub

15:28 Speaker 3: Hub was trying to intentionally bilk anyone out of their

15:32 Speaker 3: ticket money by selling them a show that was not

15:36 Speaker 3: what they not as advertised. I don't think that was

15:39 Speaker 3: what was going on here, because I mean, even if

15:41 Speaker 3: that was something nefarious that someone was doing, it would

15:44 Speaker 3: have you know, they would have to have they would

15:46 Speaker 3: have to have known it was gonna blow up in

15:47 Speaker 3: their faces pretty quick. So just very very sloppy, it

15:53 Speaker 3: says here. After realizing the error, StubHub apologized for the

15:56 Speaker 3: confusion and offered refunds for anyone who purchased to to

16:00 Speaker 3: the show. A stub Hub spokesperson said, quote, we acknowledge

16:05 Speaker 3: the listing for the December twentieth event at Spartanburg Memorial

16:09 Speaker 3: Auditorium was misleading and apologized for the confusion this caused.

16:14 Speaker 3: Ahead of the show, We updated the event page and

16:17 Speaker 3: reached out to customers to clarify the event details. Anyone

16:20 Speaker 3: who purchased tickets under the impression this was a different

16:22 Speaker 3: performance is encouraged to contact us. We'll honor a refund

16:27 Speaker 3: under our fan protect guarantee. Unquote. I was their their statement.

16:39 Speaker 3: It is interesting to me, there's no maybe I'm nitpicking,

16:46 Speaker 3: but I always wonder about this kind of thing. It's

16:48 Speaker 3: it's always interesting how things are worded. I'm always curious

16:54 Speaker 3: about this because you know, I'm sure that whatever statement

17:00 Speaker 3: stub Hub has to put out publicly in a situation

17:03 Speaker 3: like this, it probably has to go through the legal team,

17:07 Speaker 3: the legal team or whoever represents StubHub legally probably has

17:11 Speaker 3: to approve it, sign off on it. There's no apology

17:16 Speaker 3: in here, and again maybe I'm nitpicking, but there is

17:20 Speaker 3: no apology. You know, there's not even a simple we

17:24 Speaker 3: regret the error or we apologize for any confusion. There's nothing.

17:32 Speaker 3: There's an acknowledgement, but that's not the same thing as

17:36 Speaker 3: an apology. You know, someone can acknowledge they've done something wrong,

17:41 Speaker 3: you know, Oh, I realized that wasn't the right thing

17:43 Speaker 3: to do. And then the words that you might expect

17:47 Speaker 3: to follow that are I'm sorry. I realized that wasn't

17:50 Speaker 3: the right thing to do. I'm sorry. That's how normal

17:53 Speaker 3: people talk. But this is written in a way that

17:55 Speaker 3: there's no I'm sorry, there's no apology. It's just we acknowledge.

17:59 Speaker 3: We acknowledge the listing was misleading. They don't even say

18:04 Speaker 3: it was incorrect, because it was it was advertising a

18:08 Speaker 3: completely different show. It says was misleading. Oh, you know what,

18:13 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. It does say apologize and apologize for the

18:15 Speaker 3: confusion this caused. Okay, but notice they don't say we

18:19 Speaker 3: apologize for our mistake. They say we apologize for the

18:24 Speaker 3: confusion this caused and Again, maybe I'm nitpicking, but you know,

18:32 Speaker 3: I'm sure a lawyer had to approve that and and

18:35 Speaker 3: probably said, don't don't say we're sorry for our mistake,

18:40 Speaker 3: just say we're we're sorry for any confusion. Kind of

18:43 Speaker 3: like you know what that reminds me of. It's like

18:45 Speaker 3: when somebody says, like like say, somebody does something bad

18:49 Speaker 3: to you, say, somebody says something rude to you, right,

18:53 Speaker 3: and then they apologize. But instead of saying I'm sorry

18:58 Speaker 3: about what I said or I apologize I was rude

19:00 Speaker 3: to you, they say I'm sorry if you were bothered

19:04 Speaker 3: by what I said, or I'm sorry if I offended you.

19:07 Speaker 2: Right.

19:07 Speaker 3: It's sort of a way of it's sort of like

19:09 Speaker 3: a sorry, not sorry. It's a way of saying i'm

19:11 Speaker 3: sorry if because because it's it's you know, it's a

19:16 Speaker 3: way of putting the blame on you, right. And I

19:21 Speaker 3: don't know if when people do that, if they even

19:23 Speaker 3: necessarily realize consciously in the moment that they're doing that.

19:26 Speaker 3: It might be a subconscious thing. But when someone does

19:30 Speaker 3: that when they say i'm sorry if or I'm sorry

19:33 Speaker 3: you were offended by my words, what they're really doing Again,

19:37 Speaker 3: they might not even mean to do it. It might

19:39 Speaker 3: be a subconscious thing, but what they're really doing is

19:41 Speaker 3: they're putting the blame on you. It's your fault that

19:44 Speaker 3: you were offended, right, I'm sorry you took that the

19:48 Speaker 3: wrong way.

19:49 Speaker 5: You know.

19:50 Speaker 3: It's sort of a way of apologizing, but not really.

19:53 Speaker 3: And I feel like a statement like this is, well,

19:55 Speaker 3: we're sorry if if, if there was any confusion, No,

19:59 Speaker 3: you you should be sorry that you listed the wrong show,

20:03 Speaker 3: you listed completely the wrong show. You should say we're

20:06 Speaker 3: sorry we made a mistake. No harm in that. But again,

20:10 Speaker 3: a lawyer might look at that and say, don't acknowledge.

20:14 Speaker 3: It's like when you get into a car accident, you're

20:17 Speaker 3: never no matter how much it might be your fault.

20:21 Speaker 3: What does what would the insurance company always say, don't acknowledge? Well,

20:26 Speaker 3: I don't know if the insurance company says it, but

20:28 Speaker 3: not literally. I don't think insurance companies actually say that.

20:31 Speaker 3: They probably can't say it legally directly. But but what

20:35 Speaker 3: does everyone always say, never admit fault, Never admit fault,

20:38 Speaker 3: Let the insurance company handle it. You never say I'm sorry,

20:43 Speaker 3: you know, I'm sorry I ran that red light and

20:44 Speaker 3: t boned you. And wrecked your car and your passenger

20:48 Speaker 3: is on their way to the emergency room. You know

20:50 Speaker 3: you don't say that, right, right, They never say that.

20:54 Speaker 3: You never admit fault, not and I'm sorry nothing, You

20:57 Speaker 3: just you know, oops. But you let the insurance company

21:00 Speaker 3: handle it because you don't want to be uh, you

21:03 Speaker 3: don't want to put yourself in a bad position. I

21:05 Speaker 3: feel like this is kind of that. I also think

21:08 Speaker 3: it's interesting that in the statement it says anyone who

21:12 Speaker 3: purchased tickets under the impression this was a different performance

21:15 Speaker 3: is encouraged to contact us. That is weak. No, you

21:20 Speaker 3: should not encourage them to contact you. You should be

21:24 Speaker 3: sending an email to every single person who purchased a

21:27 Speaker 3: ticket to this event and say, if if you purchase

21:32 Speaker 3: these tickets in error, we would like to refund you.

21:35 Speaker 3: You should be you know, it's your fault, stub Hub.

21:37 Speaker 3: You should the honest should be on you contact each

21:42 Speaker 3: each individual who made a purchase and say, uh, we'd

21:46 Speaker 3: like to offer you a refund if this was the

21:49 Speaker 3: wrong event. You should take the initiative. In my opinion,

21:54 Speaker 3: so let's see.

21:57 Speaker 6: Oh.

21:57 Speaker 3: It also says here in the article lamb of God's

21:59 Speaker 3: block again the lead singer from Randy Blath from Lamb

22:02 Speaker 3: of God, took notice of the mistake and joked about

22:05 Speaker 3: it on his Instagram story, reposting news reports about the

22:09 Speaker 3: mix up. Oopsie the Rocker wrote over one story while

22:12 Speaker 3: commenting Merry Christmas, Spartanburg on another and I was reading

22:18 Speaker 3: something too about I guess he said in another interview

22:20 Speaker 3: that this is not the first time and probably won't

22:23 Speaker 3: be the last time something like this has happened. But

22:27 Speaker 3: there you go. But for anyone who purchased take us

22:32 Speaker 3: to that show, I hope you took advantage of getting

22:35 Speaker 3: a refund from StubHub, who you know so graciously offered

22:40 Speaker 3: you a refund if there was any confusion. Anyway, this

22:45 Speaker 3: is more stuff we can talk about in the music industry.

22:48 Speaker 3: There's a very very interesting story regarding AI. But let's

22:52 Speaker 3: play another track again. We're playing some Pulsifier in this

22:55 Speaker 3: hour because if you are listening live on Saturday, Pulsifier

22:59 Speaker 3: is playing tonight at Jewel Show starts at eight pm.

23:03 Speaker 3: Come see us. Jenny and I will be there. We're

23:05 Speaker 3: gonna play another track from Pulsifier right now though. This

23:07 Speaker 3: is called Scars, another great song and uh Pulsifier, great

23:12 Speaker 3: band from Maine. They will be there tonight at Jewel

23:15 Speaker 3: before they embark on their big tour. So if you

23:18 Speaker 3: are local to this area, this will be your last

23:20 Speaker 3: opportunity to see the band for a while because they're

23:23 Speaker 3: gonna be out on a big national tour. So very

23:25 Speaker 3: very happy for them, very excited. But here it is

23:27 Speaker 3: from Pulsifier. This is called scars Heaven.

23:30 Speaker 10: No, that's gonna set you, Holland you was never good enough.

23:36 Speaker 10: Thus my sense give that it all to what do

23:40 Speaker 10: on action?

23:41 Speaker 3: So mad a put me.

23:45 Speaker 2: Still, tut me out.

23:47 Speaker 7: Matter how is that look?

23:52 Speaker 1: Come out with someone he loves me?

24:00 Speaker 5: Leave you'll No, No, this is about character and me

24:08 Speaker 5: because we are to take evoution of reality.

24:14 Speaker 1: Russ I never gone a walk.

24:18 Speaker 10: Next checks for anyone. Check is closed, Helius time leaves.

24:36 Speaker 7: Day's lef further that he is gone.

24:39 Speaker 5: If we not know, I wouldn't Dave waste a second glance,

24:44 Speaker 5: reaching a better place, second chat and somehow complete land.

24:49 Speaker 10: Most days I don't even think of you foking prisons

24:53 Speaker 10: the food you used to be, Scott's.

24:56 Speaker 7: Remaining ter lean mind me.

25:00 Speaker 5: How your father you're know o catching me? Because where

25:12 Speaker 5: You're done.

25:14 Speaker 1: Take about of reality? A cone shas.

25:35 Speaker 10: You're spider, tried to side till the two webb.

25:44 Speaker 1: Not a thread.

25:47 Speaker 2: Read me this sword forged thrill?

25:50 Speaker 1: Who I'm fast here stuck in your own.

25:57 Speaker 4: Cylone of mysery.

26:01 Speaker 7: Or you love?

26:05 Speaker 2: We give only pity.

26:09 Speaker 1: He can't dose the fla.

26:14 Speaker 2: Despot?

26:17 Speaker 1: What you don't do hers you start to cry? Dun,

26:27 Speaker 1: what's not chockney? Pickup bad Pisa with glass call eating of.

26:56 Speaker 2: Strong So.

27:03 Speaker 11: Scott stompt Scott, it's a.

27:25 Speaker 1: High ba you go somewhere, King.

27:37 Speaker 7: Jo, change about version of reality. I'm giving going on connection,

27:49 Speaker 7: no high.

27:53 Speaker 1: Highway. You no more controlling me.

28:02 Speaker 5: We are don't control the take abouts of reality?

28:08 Speaker 10: A connect shows for any one.

28:22 Speaker 2: Strong a word brock can.

28:33 Speaker 1: Scarce repaired?

28:34 Speaker 2: God strong web block can.

28:54 Speaker 1: Scarce repaired?

29:00 Speaker 3: That is scars. The band is Pulsifier, and Pulsifier will

29:05 Speaker 3: be tonight at Jewel If you are listening live on Saturday.

29:09 Speaker 3: It is January seventeen, twenty twenty six. Pulsifier performing tonight

29:13 Speaker 3: at Jewel Music Venue, sixty nine Canal Street, right across

29:16 Speaker 3: the street from where were here at at the radio station. Actually,

29:19 Speaker 3: let's see they've also got Ashes of the Priest, which

29:21 Speaker 3: is a Lamb of God tribute band, and Son and Steel,

29:25 Speaker 3: an Iron Maiden tribute. Also bag Lady is performing, and

29:30 Speaker 3: this will be Pulsifier's last local show in the area

29:33 Speaker 3: before they go out on their big national tour. So

29:35 Speaker 3: if you want to see them, if you're around Manchester,

29:38 Speaker 3: New Hampshire, or even if you're a little ways out

29:40 Speaker 3: but you want to make the drive, you should. They're

29:42 Speaker 3: a great band. Jenny and I have seen them live

29:44 Speaker 3: before and we're really looking forward tonight. Come down, say

29:46 Speaker 3: hello to Jenny and I too. We'll be there. So

29:49 Speaker 3: Pulsifier tonight at Jewel Doors at eight pm and twenty

29:53 Speaker 3: one plus and that is this evening. So really that's

29:58 Speaker 3: why we're playing some Pulsifi in this hour here on

30:01 Speaker 3: Matt Conderton Unleashed got about. We're about halfway through our

30:06 Speaker 3: number three New Marrow trace of the show today. I

30:08 Speaker 3: did as promise. I wanted to talk about some news.

30:12 Speaker 3: You know, we mentioned band Camp on the show earlier.

30:14 Speaker 3: Band Camp two things that come up a lot on

30:16 Speaker 3: the show. Band Camp the website of course bandcamp dot

30:19 Speaker 3: com and AI and how AI is affecting how music

30:23 Speaker 3: is made generated consumed in the music industry, and band

30:28 Speaker 3: Camp has now banned AI generated music. They have made

30:32 Speaker 3: it official, saying that they want musicians to keep making music.

30:36 Speaker 3: And you know, we've got kind of a point counterpoint

30:38 Speaker 3: on this to look at. But first, this is from

30:41 Speaker 3: Music Businessworldwide dot com And this just happened, by the way,

30:44 Speaker 3: They just announced this ban a couple days ago. According

30:48 Speaker 3: to this website direct tofan platform, band Camp said it

30:51 Speaker 3: will ban artificial intelligence generated music and audio from its platform,

30:56 Speaker 3: including any use of AI tools to I personate other

31:01 Speaker 3: artists or styles. The company made the announcement in a

31:04 Speaker 3: post on Wednesday, January fourteenth. So this just happened. Like

31:07 Speaker 3: I said a few days ago. Quote, something that always

31:12 Speaker 3: strikes us as we put together a round up like

31:15 Speaker 3: this is the sheer quantity of human creativity and passion

31:19 Speaker 3: that artists express on band Camp every single day. The

31:22 Speaker 3: fact that band camp is home to such a vibrant

31:25 Speaker 3: community of real people making incredible music is something we

31:28 Speaker 3: want to protect and maintain unquote. And by the way,

31:32 Speaker 3: and this came up during our conversation with Adam Steglitch

31:35 Speaker 3: have ever felt in the second hour, I think what

31:39 Speaker 3: we talked about with Adam. It was either with Adam

31:41 Speaker 3: or with Grimrock. No, I think it was with Adam.

31:44 Speaker 3: We were talking about how band camp. One of the

31:45 Speaker 3: reasons that I'm such a proponent of it is if

31:48 Speaker 3: you get your music files from band Camp, You're getting

31:51 Speaker 3: a high quality music file, much higher quality than say

31:53 Speaker 3: if you're just streaming it on YouTube or something like that.

31:56 Speaker 3: So just something to be aware of too. Band Camp

31:58 Speaker 3: is really good that way. It says here again. According

32:01 Speaker 3: to this article, band Camp said music and audio that

32:03 Speaker 3: has created quote wholly or in substantial part by AI

32:08 Speaker 3: unquote will no longer be allowed on the platform. The

32:11 Speaker 3: company will also enforce existing policies against any use of

32:15 Speaker 3: AI tools to copy other artists or styles. The company said, quote,

32:20 Speaker 3: we want musicians to keep making music and for fans

32:23 Speaker 3: have confidence that the music they find on band Camp

32:26 Speaker 3: was created by humans unquote. Uh, this has come up

32:31 Speaker 3: several times, like I said, over the past couple of years.

32:33 Speaker 3: You know, Jenny and I talk about this all the

32:34 Speaker 3: time on the show, the effect of AI in the

32:37 Speaker 3: music industry and in the creation of music. And there

32:39 Speaker 3: are some tools like pseudo dot com which we've experimented

32:43 Speaker 3: with Live on the show that they can make some

32:46 Speaker 3: really realistic sounding, you know, music that sounds like it

32:49 Speaker 3: was made by humans, entirely by humans. One thing that look,

32:55 Speaker 3: it's any platform has the right, whether it's band, whether

33:00 Speaker 3: it's YouTube, whomever. As frustrating as it can be at times,

33:04 Speaker 3: any platform has a right to police and control what

33:07 Speaker 3: the content is, in this case music, when we talk

33:11 Speaker 3: about band Camp, what the content is it is being

33:13 Speaker 3: uploaded to their platform. However, I really worry with policies

33:21 Speaker 3: like this that because it's going to happen, it's inevitable.

33:26 Speaker 3: I guess it's an extent it's impossible to prevent this.

33:29 Speaker 3: So it comes down to an extent to which it

33:32 Speaker 3: ends up happening. Artists are going to get caught in

33:35 Speaker 3: the net. And I don't mean net as an internet,

33:39 Speaker 3: I mean net as in like a fishing net. Artists

33:43 Speaker 3: are going to get caught in the net where whatever

33:47 Speaker 3: software band Camp is using to detect AI generated music,

33:52 Speaker 3: there are going to be artists who are flagged by

33:56 Speaker 3: band Camp as being AI generated, who in fact are

34:01 Speaker 3: not AI generated. It's going to happen. It's unavoidable. Okay,

34:07 Speaker 3: So I'm not saying that because that's going to happen,

34:13 Speaker 3: that band camp should not do this. I'm not saying that,

34:15 Speaker 3: but what I am expressing is a concern that what

34:18 Speaker 3: if it happens a lot. Because anybody who's ever created

34:23 Speaker 3: anything that you've then put on the Internet for mass consumption,

34:27 Speaker 3: whether it's music, whether it's a podcast, doing a radio

34:31 Speaker 3: show that you know, in addition to being live on

34:34 Speaker 3: FM radio also streams online. Anybody who's ever created anything

34:39 Speaker 3: knows that sometimes you can get flagged, you can get tagged,

34:44 Speaker 3: you can get dinged for something by these platforms that

34:50 Speaker 3: is in fact, uh not correct, and you're getting blamed

34:55 Speaker 3: for something that you didn't necessarily do.

34:59 Speaker 2: You know.

34:59 Speaker 3: Look, I've I've been on YouTube for a very long time.

35:04 Speaker 3: You know, it hasn't happened in a long time, but

35:07 Speaker 3: I have in the past, more so when I was

35:11 Speaker 3: doing a lot more political content, I would get I

35:13 Speaker 3: would get dinged by YouTube for things. So you can't

35:16 Speaker 3: say this, you can't talk about that. You've got to

35:18 Speaker 3: strike on your account now because you said this, you

35:24 Speaker 3: repeated this, and this is not accurate. You can't do that,

35:28 Speaker 3: you know, and most of the time, not to sound

35:33 Speaker 3: like I'm shirking responsibility. But most of the time it's like,

35:37 Speaker 3: wait a minute, that's not what I said. They're flagging

35:40 Speaker 3: me for I was quoting something somebody else said that

35:43 Speaker 3: wasn't my opinion. Why are they Why am I being

35:48 Speaker 3: penalized for repeating what somebody else said and making it clear?

35:51 Speaker 3: But see, you know what happens is right there is

35:54 Speaker 3: these the bots. They it's all it's AI. See, that's

35:59 Speaker 3: the thing. They use AI to detect AI. That's what

36:02 Speaker 3: band camp is going to be doing here. They're going

36:04 Speaker 3: to use AI to detect when there's.

36:07 Speaker 2: AI and AI.

36:09 Speaker 3: The AI that they're using to detect whether or not

36:12 Speaker 3: they there's AI is not going to get it right

36:14 Speaker 3: every time, especially when because this is a little broad

36:22 Speaker 3: when they say band camp, okay, band Camp said music

36:28 Speaker 3: and audio that is created holly or in substantial part

36:32 Speaker 3: by AI. Listen, any any recording studio you know that

36:40 Speaker 3: that is modern is probably you know, probably has software

36:45 Speaker 3: in their computers in that recording studio that use AI

36:49 Speaker 3: to fix things, to tweak things. I mean, it's so

36:53 Speaker 3: ingrained in everything, and it really has been with us

36:58 Speaker 3: for you know, some people act like, oh, it's this

37:00 Speaker 3: new thing it's not. It's just becoming a lot more

37:03 Speaker 3: prevalent with access to tools like chat ebt and things

37:07 Speaker 3: like this. But AI, there's always been an element of AI,

37:12 Speaker 3: not always literally, but for a very long time in

37:15 Speaker 3: everything we do. I mean, look, even twenty years ago,

37:19 Speaker 3: you could go online, for example, and you could interact

37:26 Speaker 3: with chatbots. Maybe there's a particular service that you are

37:31 Speaker 3: having a problem with. Maybe you made a purchase through

37:33 Speaker 3: a website, for example, and your item never arrived or

37:37 Speaker 3: there's something wrong with it. So you go to the

37:40 Speaker 3: website and you try to contact someone to get some

37:43 Speaker 3: help with your purchase, and you end up talking to

37:48 Speaker 3: someone through a chat box. Right, You're talking to someone,

37:53 Speaker 3: but the person you're talking to doesn't seem to be

37:56 Speaker 3: able to help you very much, or they seem to

37:58 Speaker 3: be really easily confused by what you're trying to communicate

38:02 Speaker 3: to them.

38:02 Speaker 7: Why.

38:03 Speaker 3: Because it's not an actual person, it's a chatbot. It's

38:06 Speaker 3: a bot. It's AI that's been with us for a

38:09 Speaker 3: very long time. So it's not new, it's much more prevalent,

38:18 Speaker 3: especially over the last couple of years. It's much more

38:20 Speaker 3: prevalent than it was and will continue to be it

38:23 Speaker 3: seems to be accelerating and unavoidable, but it's not perfect,

38:30 Speaker 3: and it makes mistakes. It's almost makes it kind of

38:35 Speaker 3: human in that sense. Right now, as it becomes more sophisticated,

38:40 Speaker 3: I presume it will make fewer and fewer mistakes, but

38:42 Speaker 3: it still makes mistakes. So in other words, again, I

38:45 Speaker 3: say all that to say, people are gonna get caught

38:47 Speaker 3: up in this net. When I see these platforms saying well,

38:49 Speaker 3: we're going to ban any use of AI in anything

38:52 Speaker 3: that is uploaded to our platform, It's like, but how

38:55 Speaker 3: are you going to accurately detect it? And I know

38:59 Speaker 3: some will say, no, there's nothing to worry about here.

39:01 Speaker 3: You'd be surprised. I've had people tell me that, Matt,

39:03 Speaker 3: you'd be very surprised at how accurate AI can detect

39:07 Speaker 3: when there's AI being used. I'm a little bit skeptical,

39:11 Speaker 3: because again, I'm someone who has seen what happens when

39:17 Speaker 3: AI tells me, for example, that I've done something wrong

39:22 Speaker 3: on YouTube, when I didn't even do the thing that

39:24 Speaker 3: I'm being accused of by this bot, and good luck

39:27 Speaker 3: trying to talk to a real person, you know. Don't

39:31 Speaker 3: get me wrong, There's been a couple instances where I've

39:33 Speaker 3: appealed strikes on my channel and one. But I've also

39:37 Speaker 3: lost some too that I shouldn't have lost. But again,

39:40 Speaker 3: it's it is AI. It's not a human being I'm

39:43 Speaker 3: talking to. So so that's my concern about this.

39:49 Speaker 2: Again.

39:49 Speaker 3: Ultimately, they can do whatever they want. It's their platform,

39:52 Speaker 3: but I worry about people getting caught up in the

39:54 Speaker 3: net who shouldn't be. It also says here again continuing

39:57 Speaker 3: with this article, this is from Music Businessworldwide dot com.

40:00 Speaker 3: It says band Camp said the new policy was driven

40:02 Speaker 3: by quote the sheer quantity of human creativity and passion

40:06 Speaker 3: that artists express on band Camp every single day unquote.

40:10 Speaker 3: Users will be able to report suspected AI generated content

40:14 Speaker 3: through band Camp's reporting tools. The company says it reserves

40:17 Speaker 3: the right to remove music based on suspicion of AI generation.

40:20 Speaker 3: The company said it will update the policy as AI

40:23 Speaker 3: technology continues to develop. The announcement comes over four months

40:27 Speaker 3: since band Camp launched a new thirteen dollars a month

40:30 Speaker 3: subscription service that is human curated. The service gives users

40:35 Speaker 3: access to monthly recorded selections, listening parties, recommendations, and exclusive

40:40 Speaker 3: artists content. Band Camp general manager Dan Melnick at the

40:47 Speaker 3: time said, quote, Instead of algorithms, fans get human curated

40:51 Speaker 3: picks from some of the best DJs and journalists in

40:54 Speaker 3: their respective areas. Exclusive interviews with artists and community listening parties,

40:59 Speaker 3: vibrant music scenes made up of DJ's, journalists, fans and artists,

41:02 Speaker 3: and band camp clubs reflect that as always, artists are

41:07 Speaker 3: paid fairly and sit at the heart of the experience.

41:11 Speaker 3: Unquote all right, well, I like that.

41:13 Speaker 9: I like that.

41:14 Speaker 3: Founded in two thousand and eight, band camp launched as

41:17 Speaker 3: a direct to consumer alternative to record labels for artists.

41:21 Speaker 3: It has since expanded its services to include features such

41:24 Speaker 3: as ticket live streaming, and vinyl pressing. Artists like Peter

41:28 Speaker 3: Gabriel and b York have placed their catalogs on the platform.

41:33 Speaker 3: All Right, I don't want to get into the whole

41:35 Speaker 3: history of band camp, but uh okay, and then it

41:40 Speaker 3: gets into some more details about band Camp. Oh of

41:42 Speaker 3: skipping down though, because Spotify is mentioned here, and I

41:45 Speaker 3: remember we talked about this on the show too, and

41:47 Speaker 3: I expressed the same concern when talking about Spotify removing

41:50 Speaker 3: AI generated music. Some artists are going to get caught

41:52 Speaker 3: in the net it says here. Spotify in September said

41:55 Speaker 3: it removed more than seventy five million spammy tracks from

42:01 Speaker 3: its platform over the past year. Amid the explosion of

42:04 Speaker 3: generative AI tools, the streaming giant rolled out new policies

42:08 Speaker 3: for managing AI generated content on its service to address that.

42:13 Speaker 3: In November, French streaming platform Deezer said it receives over

42:17 Speaker 3: fifty thousand fully AI generated tracks daily, or thirty four

42:22 Speaker 3: percent of all tracks uploaded to its platform each day.

42:26 Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's nuts. That is wild. Now, so

42:33 Speaker 3: that's band Camp's position. Now someone has offered a I

42:39 Speaker 3: don't know if rebuke is quite the right word, but

42:41 Speaker 3: there's an artist because you would think, you would think

42:45 Speaker 3: recording artists would be in favor of what band camp

42:48 Speaker 3: is doing, and probably most are. But Holly Herndon says

42:52 Speaker 3: band Camp's AI ban is misguided. This comes from stereogum

42:57 Speaker 3: dot com. This went up just yesterday. Earlier this week,

43:02 Speaker 3: band Camp issued a blanket ban on generative AI and

43:06 Speaker 3: deep fake impersonations. The new measure makes band Camp an

43:09 Speaker 3: exception on the streaming landscape, where AI music is becoming

43:13 Speaker 3: more and more inescapable. Most of The reactions to this

43:16 Speaker 3: band camp announcement were positive, but one artist who's not

43:19 Speaker 3: applauding it is Holly Herndon, an experimental artist who has

43:25 Speaker 3: long messed around with what she sees as the artistic

43:28 Speaker 3: possibilities of AI technology. Holly Herndon has a PhD from

43:33 Speaker 3: Stanford's Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics, and

43:37 Speaker 3: she has made her most recent album, twenty nineteen's Proto

43:41 Speaker 3: with Spawn and AI Baby, curated by Herndon and her

43:45 Speaker 3: partner Matt Dryhurst. A few years ago, Herndon and Dryhurst

43:54 Speaker 3: launched Spawning, a tool that allows artists to choose whether

43:58 Speaker 3: or not their work will be used to train AI,

44:01 Speaker 3: and that work earned them Austria's first Digital Human Rights Award. Interesting.

44:07 Speaker 3: I didn't know that was a thing. On Wednesday, in

44:10 Speaker 3: response to band Camp's new policy, Herndon tweeted this, putting

44:16 Speaker 3: the ban in band camp it is a wicked problem.

44:19 Speaker 3: So I understand what they are trying to do. I'm

44:22 Speaker 3: sure the human moderators won't be banning artists exploring AI. Rather,

44:26 Speaker 3: I hope will just be looking to filter out sound spam.

44:31 Speaker 3: The gray area will only get larger m HM after

44:37 Speaker 3: a negative response to that tweet. Herndon elaborated with a

44:41 Speaker 3: thread and she said this, I understand why band camp

44:45 Speaker 3: is taking this measure, but it's a tourniquet. The human

44:49 Speaker 3: AI binary is not going to hold and will become

44:53 Speaker 3: a matter of superficial optics. I already have more authorship

44:57 Speaker 3: in my models than most pop stars do in their songs.

45:00 Speaker 3: People will already be using models to generate songs they

45:03 Speaker 3: then put a human filter on. Artists will integrate generated

45:08 Speaker 3: passages into works they orchestrate, and will soon train their

45:11 Speaker 3: own models. Another protection might be to flag accounts that

45:15 Speaker 3: posts on an inhuman amount of content, but that too

45:20 Speaker 3: may seem retrograde. We live with infinite media now. I

45:25 Speaker 3: encourage platforms to be more curated, but enforcing a hard

45:28 Speaker 3: human AI binary is not the right way to address

45:32 Speaker 3: this long term. If an expert uses AI to help

45:35 Speaker 3: them write an article they otherwise would not have the

45:38 Speaker 3: time to complete, it will not be of less substance

45:42 Speaker 3: than a non expert with time on their hands writing

45:45 Speaker 3: something by hand. A practice or reputation of thought and

45:49 Speaker 3: work developed over time is the best filter. The contemporary

45:53 Speaker 3: demand for twenty four to seven content from people is

45:56 Speaker 3: the problem. So that's that's basically her argument. So she's concerned.

46:07 Speaker 3: She has some of the same concerns I do. I

46:09 Speaker 3: mean from a little bit of a you know, from

46:11 Speaker 3: a different perspective.

46:12 Speaker 6: But but.

46:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think the tooth based is probably

46:18 Speaker 3: pretty far out of the tube at this point. As

46:22 Speaker 3: I like to say, Now, there's another element to this though,

46:27 Speaker 3: and this is this is the part that people don't

46:29 Speaker 3: talk about very much. But this came up on the

46:31 Speaker 3: show not long ago. These streaming platforms because of the

46:37 Speaker 3: rise of AI generated music and and how easy it

46:42 Speaker 3: is to make it, and and it is a form

46:43 Speaker 3: of spam. I think Holly Herndon referred to it as

46:45 Speaker 3: sound spam when you just if you just make a

46:48 Speaker 3: whole bunch of AI tracks and just upload them all

46:50 Speaker 3: at once to Spotify and bandcamp, YouTube and wherever else.

46:55 Speaker 3: It does cause a problem, uh, in terms of storage,

46:59 Speaker 3: because you know, we like to think of you know,

47:01 Speaker 3: it's just data. It's not it's not something you know

47:07 Speaker 3: that you can touch or feel or it's or hold.

47:09 Speaker 3: It's it's data. Is there. Therefore, there's just a it

47:12 Speaker 3: doesn't take up any actual room anywhere. You just have

47:15 Speaker 3: this infinite amount of storage space to put data. But

47:18 Speaker 3: that's not true.

47:19 Speaker 2: You have to.

47:22 Speaker 3: You do have to create the physical mechanisms with which

47:24 Speaker 3: to store that data, and you do have to make

47:26 Speaker 3: more of those if you were in more data you

47:28 Speaker 3: have to store. So if you think about this, I

47:32 Speaker 3: don't know the numbers offhand how many different song files

47:36 Speaker 3: are on band Camp and Spotify, and obviously it's in

47:40 Speaker 3: the millions, perhaps in the billions, I don't know. But

47:44 Speaker 3: if if that's all been ratcheted up exponentially because of

47:49 Speaker 3: the rise and the ease with which you can create

47:52 Speaker 3: AI generated music, then that's a problem. So of course

47:55 Speaker 3: they have to find ways to filter this stuff out.

47:59 Speaker 3: And then I find this, Uh, this is on Music

48:02 Speaker 3: Business Worldwide dot com and this just went up a

48:05 Speaker 3: couple of days ago. Music streaming. Music streaming platforms now

48:10 Speaker 3: host a quarter of a billion tracks. Where does it end?

48:16 Speaker 3: And uh, this is uh, this is short, but it

48:20 Speaker 3: just kind of gives us an idea of the scope

48:23 Speaker 3: of the concern here. So it says here there were

48:28 Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty three million music tracks sitting on

48:32 Speaker 3: audio streaming services at the close of twenty twenty five yep,

48:36 Speaker 3: over a quarter of a million. According to new data

48:41 Speaker 3: from Luminant's new annual report, that was that was up

48:45 Speaker 3: only thirty seven point nine million tracks, an average of

48:51 Speaker 3: one hundred and six thousand uploads per day. Most of

48:57 Speaker 3: this music was far from popular. Almost half of the

49:02 Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty three million files hosted by audio

49:06 Speaker 3: platforms received fewer than ten streams last year. Almost three

49:11 Speaker 3: quarters of it received fewer than one hundred annual streams,

49:14 Speaker 3: and nearly nine tenths of it received fewer than one

49:17 Speaker 3: thousand annual streams. We're obviously a long long way from

49:21 Speaker 3: Apple's promise to deliver one thousand songs in your pocket

49:24 Speaker 3: with the iPod ay. Yes, as AI generated music proliferates,

49:30 Speaker 3: are we now just a few short years from the

49:32 Speaker 3: likes of Spotify hosting quote one billion songs in your pocket?

49:38 Speaker 3: And wouldn't such a title wave of content inevitably swamp

49:42 Speaker 3: digital services while hurting artists, songwriters and the perceived value

49:46 Speaker 3: of music amongst consumers. This is all, These are all

49:49 Speaker 3: legitimate concerns. In my opinion, I don't know what the

49:52 Speaker 3: answer is. By the way, off, I'm not here to

49:54 Speaker 3: offer solutions because I have no idea what the answer

49:57 Speaker 3: is to this, but these are legitimate concerts. A Universal

50:01 Speaker 3: Music Group CEO and chairman, Sir Lucian Grange certainly thinks so,

50:06 Speaker 3: and he's keen to stop it from happening. Last week,

50:10 Speaker 3: Grange delivered a stark warning about AI generated content overwhelming

50:14 Speaker 3: streaming platforms. In his twenty twenty six New Year's Address,

50:18 Speaker 3: he wrote, quote, validating business models that failed to respect

50:22 Speaker 3: artists work and creativity and promote the exponential growth of

50:26 Speaker 3: AI slop on streaming platforms is a grave disservice to artists,

50:31 Speaker 3: songwriters and all of us who work in music. Unquote,

50:35 Speaker 3: this warning was not theoretical. Last year Spotify removed think

50:40 Speaker 3: think about these numbers. Last year, Spotify removed over seventy

50:45 Speaker 3: five million spammy tracks from its platform, while rival Deezer

50:50 Speaker 3: reported receiving fifty thousand fully AI generated tracks per day,

50:56 Speaker 3: accounting for thirty four percent of all daily uploads. So

51:03 Speaker 3: think about that. So, on any given day, Deezer, what's

51:07 Speaker 3: being uploaded? A third of it a third is AI

51:11 Speaker 3: generated tracks. Yet, despite this aggressive purgeing of content, the

51:16 Speaker 3: total amount of music and the global audio streaming ecosystem

51:19 Speaker 3: continued to soar in twenty twenty five. Discussion around tracks

51:24 Speaker 3: that attract fewer than one thousand streams per year is,

51:27 Speaker 3: of course particularly relevant. Here illuminates new numbers help illustrate why,

51:32 Speaker 3: with UMG's encouragement, audio streaming services move toward artist centric

51:37 Speaker 3: style payment models a couple of years ago, and why

51:40 Speaker 3: these models are now increasingly being stress tested by AI.

51:47 Speaker 3: In early twenty twenty four, Spotify introduced a threshold requiring

51:50 Speaker 3: tracks to attract at least one thousand plays in a

51:53 Speaker 3: twelve month period to qualify for royalty payouts, which a

51:56 Speaker 3: lot of people were mad about. They were critical of

51:58 Speaker 3: I get it though at the time Spotify said ninety

52:02 Speaker 3: nine point five percent of streams on its platform went

52:04 Speaker 3: to tracks exceeding the one thousand annual streams threshold. Under

52:08 Speaker 3: its new policy, it said each of those tracks would

52:10 Speaker 3: earn more, with payouts previously going to sub one thousand

52:13 Speaker 3: stream tracks redirected back into the royalty pool. Deezer's artist

52:18 Speaker 3: centric model, launched in partnership with you Universal and Warner,

52:21 Speaker 3: achieved a similar aim, providing a double boost in royalties

52:25 Speaker 3: to artists with a minimum of one thousand streams per

52:27 Speaker 3: month and five hundred unique listeners. This goes on. There's

52:32 Speaker 3: a lot of numbers here and we don't have time

52:34 Speaker 3: to get into all of it, but the article isn't

52:36 Speaker 3: that long, so if you want to check it out,

52:38 Speaker 3: music Businessworldwide dot com, which is a great website for

52:41 Speaker 3: music news if you're interested in the industry and so forth.

52:44 Speaker 3: But we are rapidly running out of time, so I

52:48 Speaker 3: think we will close with that. I'm gonna sneak in

52:52 Speaker 3: one more Pulsifier song though, let's see because so again

52:59 Speaker 3: tonight and if you are listening live on Saturday, Pulsifier

53:02 Speaker 3: will be at Music I'm sorry at Jewel Music Venue

53:06 Speaker 3: I believe is the official name tonight at eight pm.

53:11 Speaker 3: Show starts at eight pm. It is twenty one plus,

53:13 Speaker 3: but Jenny and I will be there for the show,

53:16 Speaker 3: so come see us. Really looking forward to that. Pulsifier

53:18 Speaker 3: such a great band, really great live. It will be

53:21 Speaker 3: our second time seeing them. And if you are in

53:23 Speaker 3: the Manchester, New Hampshire area and you do want to

53:25 Speaker 3: see Pulsifier, this will be the last opportunity to see

53:28 Speaker 3: them for a little while around here because they are

53:30 Speaker 3: going out on a big national tour, so not sure

53:36 Speaker 3: when exactly they're going to be back. But let's see,

53:41 Speaker 3: I was looking for a specific song here and I'm

53:43 Speaker 3: not finding it. Oh, here it is, I found it. Yeah,

53:47 Speaker 3: we'll play this track, war Cry. This is really good.

53:50 Speaker 3: This will be a good way to close the show today.

53:52 Speaker 3: Thank you everyone who joined us. Of course Adam Seglitch

53:54 Speaker 3: from ever Felt always enjoy speaking with him, And of

53:56 Speaker 3: course we talked to grim Rock in the first hour.

53:59 Speaker 3: And uh, if you miss any part of today's show

54:02 Speaker 3: and we'll be up in just a little bit at

54:04 Speaker 3: w m n H radio dot org and of course

54:06 Speaker 3: at my website Mattconnorton dot com. All right, that's gonna

54:10 Speaker 3: do it for us for now. Hope to see you

54:11 Speaker 3: a night at Jewel for Pulsifier. And we're gonna close

54:14 Speaker 3: out this week's show with this. This is called war Cry.

54:16 Speaker 3: Talk at you all a little bit later. Bye, everybody.

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55:25 Speaker 1: Who has wrong?

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