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Matt Connarton Unleashed 1-17-26 hour 3
Speaker 1: W m n H will rip the normals.
Speaker 2: We're back from the brain.
Speaker 3: Welcome everybody. We have entered our number three numerow trace
Speaker 3: of Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from the
Speaker 3: studios of w m n H ninety five point three
Speaker 3: f Inglorious Manchester, New Hampshire. Of course, you can stream
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Speaker 3: live for all of your live streaming options, social media links,
Speaker 3: contact info, show archives, etc. Etc. Today is Saturday, January seventeen,
Speaker 3: two thousand and twenty six. Hey, by the way, I
Speaker 3: did put this up on YouTube on the IBM Nation
Speaker 3: YouTube channel, but myself and Eric Pilcher. Of course, Eric
Speaker 3: and I host a podcast on the weekends. We'll be
Speaker 3: doing another one Sunday night, of course, Tough Bumps, and
Speaker 3: Eric has contributed many times to this program with his
Speaker 3: classic film reviews, which we'll be coming back at some
Speaker 3: point in the future. But Eric and I were actually
Speaker 3: mentioned on a very popular podcast called Nobody Likes Onions
Speaker 3: hosted by Patrick Melton. And I've been a fan of
Speaker 3: Patrick Melton and his podcast for a long time, so
Speaker 3: it was kind of cool to see that on YouTube
Speaker 3: he had mentioned US, and but I did clip the
Speaker 3: the specific part where he talks about Eric Pilter and
Speaker 3: I and I did put it up on the IPM
Speaker 3: Nation YouTube channel. So I think the title of the
Speaker 3: video is Matt Connerton and Eric Pilcher mentioned by Patrick
Speaker 3: Milton on Nobody Likes Onions. So if you find the clip,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not going to get into why he
Speaker 3: was talking about us. I will leave that to you
Speaker 3: to find the clip and watch it. But all will
Speaker 3: be evident and apparent. When you watch the full clip,
Speaker 3: you'll get the context of it. But anyway, that was
Speaker 3: kind of fun. I thought i'd mentioned that. But Tough
Speaker 3: Bumps will be on of course tomorrow night, Sunday night,
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Speaker 3: when you do a live radio show with podcasts and streaming,
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Speaker 3: a lot of our listeners just get the show later
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Speaker 3: but we will be on at some point tomorrow night.
Speaker 3: Tough Bumps streams on YouTube and Facebook and Twitch and
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Speaker 3: if you check out the show on YouTube. Anyway, I
Speaker 3: wanted to mention that quickly. But the other thing I
Speaker 3: wanted to mention is so tonight, and I refer to
Speaker 3: this early in the show today. But for those of
Speaker 3: you listening live on Saturday, January seventeenth, tonight, there is
Speaker 3: a show at Jewel Jewel Music Venue at sixty one
Speaker 3: Canal Street right across the street actually from where we
Speaker 3: are here at WM ANDH. Tonight it is Pulsifier. They've
Speaker 3: been on the show with us and they are playing
Speaker 3: a show tonight. Let's see. They are going to be
Speaker 3: there with Ashes of the Priest, which is a Lamb
Speaker 3: of God a tribute band, and a Sun and Steel
Speaker 3: which is an Iron Maiden tribute band. Also bug bag
Speaker 3: Lady almost said bug Lady. Bag Lady is going to
Speaker 3: be there. But this is Pulsifier's last show in the
Speaker 3: area before they go out on their big national tour.
Speaker 3: They're going back out on tour. They're based in Portland, Maine,
Speaker 3: I believe, but they're going to be here tonight in Manchester.
Speaker 3: They invited Jenny and I to go to the show,
Speaker 3: so we will be there. Pulsifier great band. I'm actually
Speaker 3: going to play one of their tracks in a moment
Speaker 3: that we featured the last time they were on the
Speaker 3: show with us. But so that is going to be tonight,
Speaker 3: so Jenny and I will be there, So come down
Speaker 3: and say hello. Show starts at eight pm at Jewel
Speaker 3: It is twenty one plus Jewel Music Venue, sixty one
Speaker 3: Canal Street right here in Manchester. That will be happening
Speaker 3: this evening. I'm sure the roads will be fine. It's
Speaker 3: been snowing here, but it's been a light snow. For
Speaker 3: those of you watching early, we put on the wad shot.
Speaker 3: If you happen to be watching the video of the show,
Speaker 3: you can see on the big screen behind me. Roads
Speaker 3: are fine. It's still snowing, but it's it's light. It's
Speaker 3: not a big deal. It's not adding up to anything.
Speaker 3: So so far this winter, I feel like we've only
Speaker 3: had one real major snowstorm, but which is not unusual.
Speaker 3: Winter's here. You know, I grew up in New Hampshire.
Speaker 3: Winter's here definitely easier than when I was a kid,
Speaker 3: that's for sure. We had a lot less snow than
Speaker 3: we did when I was growing up. But let's do this.
Speaker 3: I want to play a track from Pulsifier, my personal favorite.
Speaker 3: So I'll be a little bit selfish here, but this
Speaker 3: is this is a song called Venomous Thing. Sounds really
Speaker 3: good live. I'm sure they'll play it live tonight at Jewel.
Speaker 3: But this is such a great track. Then when we
Speaker 3: come back from this, we got a little music news
Speaker 3: to cover. So some interesting things that have happened recently
Speaker 3: in the music industry. But here it is, this is
Speaker 3: this venomous thing and the band is Pulsifier.
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Speaker 3: That is venomous thing. The band is Pulsifier and they
Speaker 3: are playing tonight, January seventeen at Jewel Music Venue, right
Speaker 3: across the street from where we are here at the
Speaker 3: radio station. Jewel is at sixty one Canal Street, and
Speaker 3: they are going to be performing tonight and come see
Speaker 3: Jenny and I were going to be there for that,
Speaker 3: So really looking forward to that. It's such a great band,
Speaker 3: and I wanted to, you know, I did mention some
Speaker 3: music news and it's funny. I had forgotten about this
Speaker 3: something that happened recently, a couple weeks ago, and then
Speaker 3: we have a couple things that are a little more recent.
Speaker 3: But in case you missed this story, this is kind
Speaker 3: of fun. This happened closer to the beginning of the month.
Speaker 3: But what reminded me of it is one of the
Speaker 3: bands playing tonight with Pulsifier, a Jewel happens be a
Speaker 3: Lamb of God tribute band, and Lamb of God was
Speaker 3: in the news recently for kind of a silly reason.
Speaker 3: But here's what happened. So this is from Billboard dot Com.
Speaker 3: Stub Hub apologizes after mistakenly listing Lamb of God as
Speaker 3: Christian concert The metal bands frontman joked about the mistake
Speaker 3: on his social media So if you miss this, here's
Speaker 3: what happened. So heavy metal fans in South Carolina were
Speaker 3: disappointed to discover that the Lamb of God concert they
Speaker 3: expected was actually a performance about the birth of Jesus Christ,
Speaker 3: you know, because it was Christmas time. Ticket reseller stub
Speaker 3: hub apologized on Monday, December twenty second after accidentally listing
Speaker 3: the Virginia based rock band instead of Christian musician Andrew
Speaker 3: Peterson's Behold the Lamb of God, a concert featuring music
Speaker 3: about the stories of Christ, held at the Spartanburg Memorial
Speaker 3: Auditorium on December twentieth. So, just to be clear, Just
Speaker 3: to be clear, So it was not that this production
Speaker 3: was also called Lamb of God. The name of the production.
Speaker 3: The full name of the production was Andrew Peterson's Behold
Speaker 3: the Lamb of God, not simply Lamb of God. But
Speaker 3: stub Hub put it on their website as simply Lamb
Speaker 3: of God, so they were clearly derelict in this. It
Speaker 3: says here again. This is from Billboard dot Com. In
Speaker 3: the days leading up to Peterson's show, the stub Hub
Speaker 3: listing featured a photo of Lamb of God frontman Randy
Speaker 3: Blythe and listed the concert as a top trending event
Speaker 3: at the Spartanburg Memorial Auditorium, according to CBS affiliate WSPA
Speaker 3: in Spartanburg. Yeah, so, not only did they screw up.
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is an AI think maybe
Speaker 3: they let AI do their listings. I don't know. But
Speaker 3: not only did they list it as simply Lamb of God,
Speaker 3: but they actually put a picture of the lead singer
Speaker 3: of Lamb of God. So, you know, anyone who bought
Speaker 3: tickets to this, you know, it's not it's certainly not
Speaker 3: on them. It's not you know, sometimes consumers don't pay
Speaker 3: attention to what they're buying, certainly, but that's not the
Speaker 3: case here.
Speaker 9: This was.
Speaker 3: This could not have been more misleading, I say misleading.
Speaker 3: I don't think it was intentional. I don't think stub
Speaker 3: Hub was trying to intentionally bilk anyone out of their
Speaker 3: ticket money by selling them a show that was not
Speaker 3: what they not as advertised. I don't think that was
Speaker 3: what was going on here, because I mean, even if
Speaker 3: that was something nefarious that someone was doing, it would
Speaker 3: have you know, they would have to have they would
Speaker 3: have to have known it was gonna blow up in
Speaker 3: their faces pretty quick. So just very very sloppy, it
Speaker 3: says here. After realizing the error, StubHub apologized for the
Speaker 3: confusion and offered refunds for anyone who purchased to to
Speaker 3: the show. A stub Hub spokesperson said, quote, we acknowledge
Speaker 3: the listing for the December twentieth event at Spartanburg Memorial
Speaker 3: Auditorium was misleading and apologized for the confusion this caused.
Speaker 3: Ahead of the show, We updated the event page and
Speaker 3: reached out to customers to clarify the event details. Anyone
Speaker 3: who purchased tickets under the impression this was a different
Speaker 3: performance is encouraged to contact us. We'll honor a refund
Speaker 3: under our fan protect guarantee. Unquote. I was their their statement.
Speaker 3: It is interesting to me, there's no maybe I'm nitpicking,
Speaker 3: but I always wonder about this kind of thing. It's
Speaker 3: it's always interesting how things are worded. I'm always curious
Speaker 3: about this because you know, I'm sure that whatever statement
Speaker 3: stub Hub has to put out publicly in a situation
Speaker 3: like this, it probably has to go through the legal team,
Speaker 3: the legal team or whoever represents StubHub legally probably has
Speaker 3: to approve it, sign off on it. There's no apology
Speaker 3: in here, and again maybe I'm nitpicking, but there is
Speaker 3: no apology. You know, there's not even a simple we
Speaker 3: regret the error or we apologize for any confusion. There's nothing.
Speaker 3: There's an acknowledgement, but that's not the same thing as
Speaker 3: an apology. You know, someone can acknowledge they've done something wrong,
Speaker 3: you know, Oh, I realized that wasn't the right thing
Speaker 3: to do. And then the words that you might expect
Speaker 3: to follow that are I'm sorry. I realized that wasn't
Speaker 3: the right thing to do. I'm sorry. That's how normal
Speaker 3: people talk. But this is written in a way that
Speaker 3: there's no I'm sorry, there's no apology. It's just we acknowledge.
Speaker 3: We acknowledge the listing was misleading. They don't even say
Speaker 3: it was incorrect, because it was it was advertising a
Speaker 3: completely different show. It says was misleading. Oh, you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. It does say apologize and apologize for the
Speaker 3: confusion this caused. Okay, but notice they don't say we
Speaker 3: apologize for our mistake. They say we apologize for the
Speaker 3: confusion this caused and Again, maybe I'm nitpicking, but you know,
Speaker 3: I'm sure a lawyer had to approve that and and
Speaker 3: probably said, don't don't say we're sorry for our mistake,
Speaker 3: just say we're we're sorry for any confusion. Kind of
Speaker 3: like you know what that reminds me of. It's like
Speaker 3: when somebody says, like like say, somebody does something bad
Speaker 3: to you, say, somebody says something rude to you, right,
Speaker 3: and then they apologize. But instead of saying I'm sorry
Speaker 3: about what I said or I apologize I was rude
Speaker 3: to you, they say I'm sorry if you were bothered
Speaker 3: by what I said, or I'm sorry if I offended you.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: It's sort of a way of it's sort of like
Speaker 3: a sorry, not sorry. It's a way of saying i'm
Speaker 3: sorry if because because it's it's you know, it's a
Speaker 3: way of putting the blame on you, right. And I
Speaker 3: don't know if when people do that, if they even
Speaker 3: necessarily realize consciously in the moment that they're doing that.
Speaker 3: It might be a subconscious thing. But when someone does
Speaker 3: that when they say i'm sorry if or I'm sorry
Speaker 3: you were offended by my words, what they're really doing Again,
Speaker 3: they might not even mean to do it. It might
Speaker 3: be a subconscious thing, but what they're really doing is
Speaker 3: they're putting the blame on you. It's your fault that
Speaker 3: you were offended, right, I'm sorry you took that the
Speaker 3: wrong way.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: It's sort of a way of apologizing, but not really.
Speaker 3: And I feel like a statement like this is, well,
Speaker 3: we're sorry if if, if there was any confusion, No,
Speaker 3: you you should be sorry that you listed the wrong show,
Speaker 3: you listed completely the wrong show. You should say we're
Speaker 3: sorry we made a mistake. No harm in that. But again,
Speaker 3: a lawyer might look at that and say, don't acknowledge.
Speaker 3: It's like when you get into a car accident, you're
Speaker 3: never no matter how much it might be your fault.
Speaker 3: What does what would the insurance company always say, don't acknowledge? Well,
Speaker 3: I don't know if the insurance company says it, but
Speaker 3: not literally. I don't think insurance companies actually say that.
Speaker 3: They probably can't say it legally directly. But but what
Speaker 3: does everyone always say, never admit fault, Never admit fault,
Speaker 3: Let the insurance company handle it. You never say I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm sorry I ran that red light and
Speaker 3: t boned you. And wrecked your car and your passenger
Speaker 3: is on their way to the emergency room. You know
Speaker 3: you don't say that, right, right, They never say that.
Speaker 3: You never admit fault, not and I'm sorry nothing, You
Speaker 3: just you know, oops. But you let the insurance company
Speaker 3: handle it because you don't want to be uh, you
Speaker 3: don't want to put yourself in a bad position. I
Speaker 3: feel like this is kind of that. I also think
Speaker 3: it's interesting that in the statement it says anyone who
Speaker 3: purchased tickets under the impression this was a different performance
Speaker 3: is encouraged to contact us. That is weak. No, you
Speaker 3: should not encourage them to contact you. You should be
Speaker 3: sending an email to every single person who purchased a
Speaker 3: ticket to this event and say, if if you purchase
Speaker 3: these tickets in error, we would like to refund you.
Speaker 3: You should be you know, it's your fault, stub Hub.
Speaker 3: You should the honest should be on you contact each
Speaker 3: each individual who made a purchase and say, uh, we'd
Speaker 3: like to offer you a refund if this was the
Speaker 3: wrong event. You should take the initiative. In my opinion,
Speaker 3: so let's see.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 3: It also says here in the article lamb of God's
Speaker 3: block again the lead singer from Randy Blath from Lamb
Speaker 3: of God, took notice of the mistake and joked about
Speaker 3: it on his Instagram story, reposting news reports about the
Speaker 3: mix up. Oopsie the Rocker wrote over one story while
Speaker 3: commenting Merry Christmas, Spartanburg on another and I was reading
Speaker 3: something too about I guess he said in another interview
Speaker 3: that this is not the first time and probably won't
Speaker 3: be the last time something like this has happened. But
Speaker 3: there you go. But for anyone who purchased take us
Speaker 3: to that show, I hope you took advantage of getting
Speaker 3: a refund from StubHub, who you know so graciously offered
Speaker 3: you a refund if there was any confusion. Anyway, this
Speaker 3: is more stuff we can talk about in the music industry.
Speaker 3: There's a very very interesting story regarding AI. But let's
Speaker 3: play another track again. We're playing some Pulsifier in this
Speaker 3: hour because if you are listening live on Saturday, Pulsifier
Speaker 3: is playing tonight at Jewel Show starts at eight pm.
Speaker 3: Come see us. Jenny and I will be there. We're
Speaker 3: gonna play another track from Pulsifier right now though. This
Speaker 3: is called Scars, another great song and uh Pulsifier, great
Speaker 3: band from Maine. They will be there tonight at Jewel
Speaker 3: before they embark on their big tour. So if you
Speaker 3: are local to this area, this will be your last
Speaker 3: opportunity to see the band for a while because they're
Speaker 3: gonna be out on a big national tour. So very
Speaker 3: very happy for them, very excited. But here it is
Speaker 3: from Pulsifier. This is called scars Heaven.
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Speaker 3: That is scars. The band is Pulsifier, and Pulsifier will
Speaker 3: be tonight at Jewel If you are listening live on Saturday.
Speaker 3: It is January seventeen, twenty twenty six. Pulsifier performing tonight
Speaker 3: at Jewel Music Venue, sixty nine Canal Street, right across
Speaker 3: the street from where were here at at the radio station. Actually,
Speaker 3: let's see they've also got Ashes of the Priest, which
Speaker 3: is a Lamb of God tribute band, and Son and Steel,
Speaker 3: an Iron Maiden tribute. Also bag Lady is performing, and
Speaker 3: this will be Pulsifier's last local show in the area
Speaker 3: before they go out on their big national tour. So
Speaker 3: if you want to see them, if you're around Manchester,
Speaker 3: New Hampshire, or even if you're a little ways out
Speaker 3: but you want to make the drive, you should. They're
Speaker 3: a great band. Jenny and I have seen them live
Speaker 3: before and we're really looking forward tonight. Come down, say
Speaker 3: hello to Jenny and I too. We'll be there. So
Speaker 3: Pulsifier tonight at Jewel Doors at eight pm and twenty
Speaker 3: one plus and that is this evening. So really that's
Speaker 3: why we're playing some Pulsifi in this hour here on
Speaker 3: Matt Conderton Unleashed got about. We're about halfway through our
Speaker 3: number three New Marrow trace of the show today. I
Speaker 3: did as promise. I wanted to talk about some news.
Speaker 3: You know, we mentioned band Camp on the show earlier.
Speaker 3: Band Camp two things that come up a lot on
Speaker 3: the show. Band Camp the website of course bandcamp dot
Speaker 3: com and AI and how AI is affecting how music
Speaker 3: is made generated consumed in the music industry, and band
Speaker 3: Camp has now banned AI generated music. They have made
Speaker 3: it official, saying that they want musicians to keep making music.
Speaker 3: And you know, we've got kind of a point counterpoint
Speaker 3: on this to look at. But first, this is from
Speaker 3: Music Businessworldwide dot com And this just happened, by the way,
Speaker 3: They just announced this ban a couple days ago. According
Speaker 3: to this website direct tofan platform, band Camp said it
Speaker 3: will ban artificial intelligence generated music and audio from its platform,
Speaker 3: including any use of AI tools to I personate other
Speaker 3: artists or styles. The company made the announcement in a
Speaker 3: post on Wednesday, January fourteenth. So this just happened. Like
Speaker 3: I said a few days ago. Quote, something that always
Speaker 3: strikes us as we put together a round up like
Speaker 3: this is the sheer quantity of human creativity and passion
Speaker 3: that artists express on band Camp every single day. The
Speaker 3: fact that band camp is home to such a vibrant
Speaker 3: community of real people making incredible music is something we
Speaker 3: want to protect and maintain unquote. And by the way,
Speaker 3: and this came up during our conversation with Adam Steglitch
Speaker 3: have ever felt in the second hour, I think what
Speaker 3: we talked about with Adam. It was either with Adam
Speaker 3: or with Grimrock. No, I think it was with Adam.
Speaker 3: We were talking about how band camp. One of the
Speaker 3: reasons that I'm such a proponent of it is if
Speaker 3: you get your music files from band Camp, You're getting
Speaker 3: a high quality music file, much higher quality than say
Speaker 3: if you're just streaming it on YouTube or something like that.
Speaker 3: So just something to be aware of too. Band Camp
Speaker 3: is really good that way. It says here again. According
Speaker 3: to this article, band Camp said music and audio that
Speaker 3: has created quote wholly or in substantial part by AI
Speaker 3: unquote will no longer be allowed on the platform. The
Speaker 3: company will also enforce existing policies against any use of
Speaker 3: AI tools to copy other artists or styles. The company said, quote,
Speaker 3: we want musicians to keep making music and for fans
Speaker 3: have confidence that the music they find on band Camp
Speaker 3: was created by humans unquote. Uh, this has come up
Speaker 3: several times, like I said, over the past couple of years.
Speaker 3: You know, Jenny and I talk about this all the
Speaker 3: time on the show, the effect of AI in the
Speaker 3: music industry and in the creation of music. And there
Speaker 3: are some tools like pseudo dot com which we've experimented
Speaker 3: with Live on the show that they can make some
Speaker 3: really realistic sounding, you know, music that sounds like it
Speaker 3: was made by humans, entirely by humans. One thing that look,
Speaker 3: it's any platform has the right, whether it's band, whether
Speaker 3: it's YouTube, whomever. As frustrating as it can be at times,
Speaker 3: any platform has a right to police and control what
Speaker 3: the content is, in this case music, when we talk
Speaker 3: about band Camp, what the content is it is being
Speaker 3: uploaded to their platform. However, I really worry with policies
Speaker 3: like this that because it's going to happen, it's inevitable.
Speaker 3: I guess it's an extent it's impossible to prevent this.
Speaker 3: So it comes down to an extent to which it
Speaker 3: ends up happening. Artists are going to get caught in
Speaker 3: the net. And I don't mean net as an internet,
Speaker 3: I mean net as in like a fishing net. Artists
Speaker 3: are going to get caught in the net where whatever
Speaker 3: software band Camp is using to detect AI generated music,
Speaker 3: there are going to be artists who are flagged by
Speaker 3: band Camp as being AI generated, who in fact are
Speaker 3: not AI generated. It's going to happen. It's unavoidable. Okay,
Speaker 3: So I'm not saying that because that's going to happen,
Speaker 3: that band camp should not do this. I'm not saying that,
Speaker 3: but what I am expressing is a concern that what
Speaker 3: if it happens a lot. Because anybody who's ever created
Speaker 3: anything that you've then put on the Internet for mass consumption,
Speaker 3: whether it's music, whether it's a podcast, doing a radio
Speaker 3: show that you know, in addition to being live on
Speaker 3: FM radio also streams online. Anybody who's ever created anything
Speaker 3: knows that sometimes you can get flagged, you can get tagged,
Speaker 3: you can get dinged for something by these platforms that
Speaker 3: is in fact, uh not correct, and you're getting blamed
Speaker 3: for something that you didn't necessarily do.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Look, I've I've been on YouTube for a very long time.
Speaker 3: You know, it hasn't happened in a long time, but
Speaker 3: I have in the past, more so when I was
Speaker 3: doing a lot more political content, I would get I
Speaker 3: would get dinged by YouTube for things. So you can't
Speaker 3: say this, you can't talk about that. You've got to
Speaker 3: strike on your account now because you said this, you
Speaker 3: repeated this, and this is not accurate. You can't do that,
Speaker 3: you know, and most of the time, not to sound
Speaker 3: like I'm shirking responsibility. But most of the time it's like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, that's not what I said. They're flagging
Speaker 3: me for I was quoting something somebody else said that
Speaker 3: wasn't my opinion. Why are they Why am I being
Speaker 3: penalized for repeating what somebody else said and making it clear?
Speaker 3: But see, you know what happens is right there is
Speaker 3: these the bots. They it's all it's AI. See, that's
Speaker 3: the thing. They use AI to detect AI. That's what
Speaker 3: band camp is going to be doing here. They're going
Speaker 3: to use AI to detect when there's.
Speaker 2: AI and AI.
Speaker 3: The AI that they're using to detect whether or not
Speaker 3: they there's AI is not going to get it right
Speaker 3: every time, especially when because this is a little broad
Speaker 3: when they say band camp, okay, band Camp said music
Speaker 3: and audio that is created holly or in substantial part
Speaker 3: by AI. Listen, any any recording studio you know that
Speaker 3: that is modern is probably you know, probably has software
Speaker 3: in their computers in that recording studio that use AI
Speaker 3: to fix things, to tweak things. I mean, it's so
Speaker 3: ingrained in everything, and it really has been with us
Speaker 3: for you know, some people act like, oh, it's this
Speaker 3: new thing it's not. It's just becoming a lot more
Speaker 3: prevalent with access to tools like chat ebt and things
Speaker 3: like this. But AI, there's always been an element of AI,
Speaker 3: not always literally, but for a very long time in
Speaker 3: everything we do. I mean, look, even twenty years ago,
Speaker 3: you could go online, for example, and you could interact
Speaker 3: with chatbots. Maybe there's a particular service that you are
Speaker 3: having a problem with. Maybe you made a purchase through
Speaker 3: a website, for example, and your item never arrived or
Speaker 3: there's something wrong with it. So you go to the
Speaker 3: website and you try to contact someone to get some
Speaker 3: help with your purchase, and you end up talking to
Speaker 3: someone through a chat box. Right, You're talking to someone,
Speaker 3: but the person you're talking to doesn't seem to be
Speaker 3: able to help you very much, or they seem to
Speaker 3: be really easily confused by what you're trying to communicate
Speaker 3: to them.
Speaker 7: Why.
Speaker 3: Because it's not an actual person, it's a chatbot. It's
Speaker 3: a bot. It's AI that's been with us for a
Speaker 3: very long time. So it's not new, it's much more prevalent,
Speaker 3: especially over the last couple of years. It's much more
Speaker 3: prevalent than it was and will continue to be it
Speaker 3: seems to be accelerating and unavoidable, but it's not perfect,
Speaker 3: and it makes mistakes. It's almost makes it kind of
Speaker 3: human in that sense. Right now, as it becomes more sophisticated,
Speaker 3: I presume it will make fewer and fewer mistakes, but
Speaker 3: it still makes mistakes. So in other words, again, I
Speaker 3: say all that to say, people are gonna get caught
Speaker 3: up in this net. When I see these platforms saying well,
Speaker 3: we're going to ban any use of AI in anything
Speaker 3: that is uploaded to our platform, It's like, but how
Speaker 3: are you going to accurately detect it? And I know
Speaker 3: some will say, no, there's nothing to worry about here.
Speaker 3: You'd be surprised. I've had people tell me that, Matt,
Speaker 3: you'd be very surprised at how accurate AI can detect
Speaker 3: when there's AI being used. I'm a little bit skeptical,
Speaker 3: because again, I'm someone who has seen what happens when
Speaker 3: AI tells me, for example, that I've done something wrong
Speaker 3: on YouTube, when I didn't even do the thing that
Speaker 3: I'm being accused of by this bot, and good luck
Speaker 3: trying to talk to a real person, you know. Don't
Speaker 3: get me wrong, There's been a couple instances where I've
Speaker 3: appealed strikes on my channel and one. But I've also
Speaker 3: lost some too that I shouldn't have lost. But again,
Speaker 3: it's it is AI. It's not a human being I'm
Speaker 3: talking to. So so that's my concern about this.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 3: Ultimately, they can do whatever they want. It's their platform,
Speaker 3: but I worry about people getting caught up in the
Speaker 3: net who shouldn't be. It also says here again continuing
Speaker 3: with this article, this is from Music Businessworldwide dot com.
Speaker 3: It says band Camp said the new policy was driven
Speaker 3: by quote the sheer quantity of human creativity and passion
Speaker 3: that artists express on band Camp every single day unquote.
Speaker 3: Users will be able to report suspected AI generated content
Speaker 3: through band Camp's reporting tools. The company says it reserves
Speaker 3: the right to remove music based on suspicion of AI generation.
Speaker 3: The company said it will update the policy as AI
Speaker 3: technology continues to develop. The announcement comes over four months
Speaker 3: since band Camp launched a new thirteen dollars a month
Speaker 3: subscription service that is human curated. The service gives users
Speaker 3: access to monthly recorded selections, listening parties, recommendations, and exclusive
Speaker 3: artists content. Band Camp general manager Dan Melnick at the
Speaker 3: time said, quote, Instead of algorithms, fans get human curated
Speaker 3: picks from some of the best DJs and journalists in
Speaker 3: their respective areas. Exclusive interviews with artists and community listening parties,
Speaker 3: vibrant music scenes made up of DJ's, journalists, fans and artists,
Speaker 3: and band camp clubs reflect that as always, artists are
Speaker 3: paid fairly and sit at the heart of the experience.
Speaker 3: Unquote all right, well, I like that.
Speaker 9: I like that.
Speaker 3: Founded in two thousand and eight, band camp launched as
Speaker 3: a direct to consumer alternative to record labels for artists.
Speaker 3: It has since expanded its services to include features such
Speaker 3: as ticket live streaming, and vinyl pressing. Artists like Peter
Speaker 3: Gabriel and b York have placed their catalogs on the platform.
Speaker 3: All Right, I don't want to get into the whole
Speaker 3: history of band camp, but uh okay, and then it
Speaker 3: gets into some more details about band Camp. Oh of
Speaker 3: skipping down though, because Spotify is mentioned here, and I
Speaker 3: remember we talked about this on the show too, and
Speaker 3: I expressed the same concern when talking about Spotify removing
Speaker 3: AI generated music. Some artists are going to get caught
Speaker 3: in the net it says here. Spotify in September said
Speaker 3: it removed more than seventy five million spammy tracks from
Speaker 3: its platform over the past year. Amid the explosion of
Speaker 3: generative AI tools, the streaming giant rolled out new policies
Speaker 3: for managing AI generated content on its service to address that.
Speaker 3: In November, French streaming platform Deezer said it receives over
Speaker 3: fifty thousand fully AI generated tracks daily, or thirty four
Speaker 3: percent of all tracks uploaded to its platform each day.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's nuts. That is wild. Now, so
Speaker 3: that's band Camp's position. Now someone has offered a I
Speaker 3: don't know if rebuke is quite the right word, but
Speaker 3: there's an artist because you would think, you would think
Speaker 3: recording artists would be in favor of what band camp
Speaker 3: is doing, and probably most are. But Holly Herndon says
Speaker 3: band Camp's AI ban is misguided. This comes from stereogum
Speaker 3: dot com. This went up just yesterday. Earlier this week,
Speaker 3: band Camp issued a blanket ban on generative AI and
Speaker 3: deep fake impersonations. The new measure makes band Camp an
Speaker 3: exception on the streaming landscape, where AI music is becoming
Speaker 3: more and more inescapable. Most of The reactions to this
Speaker 3: band camp announcement were positive, but one artist who's not
Speaker 3: applauding it is Holly Herndon, an experimental artist who has
Speaker 3: long messed around with what she sees as the artistic
Speaker 3: possibilities of AI technology. Holly Herndon has a PhD from
Speaker 3: Stanford's Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics, and
Speaker 3: she has made her most recent album, twenty nineteen's Proto
Speaker 3: with Spawn and AI Baby, curated by Herndon and her
Speaker 3: partner Matt Dryhurst. A few years ago, Herndon and Dryhurst
Speaker 3: launched Spawning, a tool that allows artists to choose whether
Speaker 3: or not their work will be used to train AI,
Speaker 3: and that work earned them Austria's first Digital Human Rights Award. Interesting.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that was a thing. On Wednesday, in
Speaker 3: response to band Camp's new policy, Herndon tweeted this, putting
Speaker 3: the ban in band camp it is a wicked problem.
Speaker 3: So I understand what they are trying to do. I'm
Speaker 3: sure the human moderators won't be banning artists exploring AI. Rather,
Speaker 3: I hope will just be looking to filter out sound spam.
Speaker 3: The gray area will only get larger m HM after
Speaker 3: a negative response to that tweet. Herndon elaborated with a
Speaker 3: thread and she said this, I understand why band camp
Speaker 3: is taking this measure, but it's a tourniquet. The human
Speaker 3: AI binary is not going to hold and will become
Speaker 3: a matter of superficial optics. I already have more authorship
Speaker 3: in my models than most pop stars do in their songs.
Speaker 3: People will already be using models to generate songs they
Speaker 3: then put a human filter on. Artists will integrate generated
Speaker 3: passages into works they orchestrate, and will soon train their
Speaker 3: own models. Another protection might be to flag accounts that
Speaker 3: posts on an inhuman amount of content, but that too
Speaker 3: may seem retrograde. We live with infinite media now. I
Speaker 3: encourage platforms to be more curated, but enforcing a hard
Speaker 3: human AI binary is not the right way to address
Speaker 3: this long term. If an expert uses AI to help
Speaker 3: them write an article they otherwise would not have the
Speaker 3: time to complete, it will not be of less substance
Speaker 3: than a non expert with time on their hands writing
Speaker 3: something by hand. A practice or reputation of thought and
Speaker 3: work developed over time is the best filter. The contemporary
Speaker 3: demand for twenty four to seven content from people is
Speaker 3: the problem. So that's that's basically her argument. So she's concerned.
Speaker 3: She has some of the same concerns I do. I
Speaker 3: mean from a little bit of a you know, from
Speaker 3: a different perspective.
Speaker 6: But but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think the tooth based is probably
Speaker 3: pretty far out of the tube at this point. As
Speaker 3: I like to say, Now, there's another element to this though,
Speaker 3: and this is this is the part that people don't
Speaker 3: talk about very much. But this came up on the
Speaker 3: show not long ago. These streaming platforms because of the
Speaker 3: rise of AI generated music and and how easy it
Speaker 3: is to make it, and and it is a form
Speaker 3: of spam. I think Holly Herndon referred to it as
Speaker 3: sound spam when you just if you just make a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of AI tracks and just upload them all
Speaker 3: at once to Spotify and bandcamp, YouTube and wherever else.
Speaker 3: It does cause a problem, uh, in terms of storage,
Speaker 3: because you know, we like to think of you know,
Speaker 3: it's just data. It's not it's not something you know
Speaker 3: that you can touch or feel or it's or hold.
Speaker 3: It's it's data. Is there. Therefore, there's just a it
Speaker 3: doesn't take up any actual room anywhere. You just have
Speaker 3: this infinite amount of storage space to put data. But
Speaker 3: that's not true.
Speaker 2: You have to.
Speaker 3: You do have to create the physical mechanisms with which
Speaker 3: to store that data, and you do have to make
Speaker 3: more of those if you were in more data you
Speaker 3: have to store. So if you think about this, I
Speaker 3: don't know the numbers offhand how many different song files
Speaker 3: are on band Camp and Spotify, and obviously it's in
Speaker 3: the millions, perhaps in the billions, I don't know. But
Speaker 3: if if that's all been ratcheted up exponentially because of
Speaker 3: the rise and the ease with which you can create
Speaker 3: AI generated music, then that's a problem. So of course
Speaker 3: they have to find ways to filter this stuff out.
Speaker 3: And then I find this, Uh, this is on Music
Speaker 3: Business Worldwide dot com and this just went up a
Speaker 3: couple of days ago. Music streaming. Music streaming platforms now
Speaker 3: host a quarter of a billion tracks. Where does it end?
Speaker 3: And uh, this is uh, this is short, but it
Speaker 3: just kind of gives us an idea of the scope
Speaker 3: of the concern here. So it says here there were
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty three million music tracks sitting on
Speaker 3: audio streaming services at the close of twenty twenty five yep,
Speaker 3: over a quarter of a million. According to new data
Speaker 3: from Luminant's new annual report, that was that was up
Speaker 3: only thirty seven point nine million tracks, an average of
Speaker 3: one hundred and six thousand uploads per day. Most of
Speaker 3: this music was far from popular. Almost half of the
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty three million files hosted by audio
Speaker 3: platforms received fewer than ten streams last year. Almost three
Speaker 3: quarters of it received fewer than one hundred annual streams,
Speaker 3: and nearly nine tenths of it received fewer than one
Speaker 3: thousand annual streams. We're obviously a long long way from
Speaker 3: Apple's promise to deliver one thousand songs in your pocket
Speaker 3: with the iPod ay. Yes, as AI generated music proliferates,
Speaker 3: are we now just a few short years from the
Speaker 3: likes of Spotify hosting quote one billion songs in your pocket?
Speaker 3: And wouldn't such a title wave of content inevitably swamp
Speaker 3: digital services while hurting artists, songwriters and the perceived value
Speaker 3: of music amongst consumers. This is all, These are all
Speaker 3: legitimate concerns. In my opinion, I don't know what the
Speaker 3: answer is. By the way, off, I'm not here to
Speaker 3: offer solutions because I have no idea what the answer
Speaker 3: is to this, but these are legitimate concerts. A Universal
Speaker 3: Music Group CEO and chairman, Sir Lucian Grange certainly thinks so,
Speaker 3: and he's keen to stop it from happening. Last week,
Speaker 3: Grange delivered a stark warning about AI generated content overwhelming
Speaker 3: streaming platforms. In his twenty twenty six New Year's Address,
Speaker 3: he wrote, quote, validating business models that failed to respect
Speaker 3: artists work and creativity and promote the exponential growth of
Speaker 3: AI slop on streaming platforms is a grave disservice to artists,
Speaker 3: songwriters and all of us who work in music. Unquote,
Speaker 3: this warning was not theoretical. Last year Spotify removed think
Speaker 3: think about these numbers. Last year, Spotify removed over seventy
Speaker 3: five million spammy tracks from its platform, while rival Deezer
Speaker 3: reported receiving fifty thousand fully AI generated tracks per day,
Speaker 3: accounting for thirty four percent of all daily uploads. So
Speaker 3: think about that. So, on any given day, Deezer, what's
Speaker 3: being uploaded? A third of it a third is AI
Speaker 3: generated tracks. Yet, despite this aggressive purgeing of content, the
Speaker 3: total amount of music and the global audio streaming ecosystem
Speaker 3: continued to soar in twenty twenty five. Discussion around tracks
Speaker 3: that attract fewer than one thousand streams per year is,
Speaker 3: of course particularly relevant. Here illuminates new numbers help illustrate why,
Speaker 3: with UMG's encouragement, audio streaming services move toward artist centric
Speaker 3: style payment models a couple of years ago, and why
Speaker 3: these models are now increasingly being stress tested by AI.
Speaker 3: In early twenty twenty four, Spotify introduced a threshold requiring
Speaker 3: tracks to attract at least one thousand plays in a
Speaker 3: twelve month period to qualify for royalty payouts, which a
Speaker 3: lot of people were mad about. They were critical of
Speaker 3: I get it though at the time Spotify said ninety
Speaker 3: nine point five percent of streams on its platform went
Speaker 3: to tracks exceeding the one thousand annual streams threshold. Under
Speaker 3: its new policy, it said each of those tracks would
Speaker 3: earn more, with payouts previously going to sub one thousand
Speaker 3: stream tracks redirected back into the royalty pool. Deezer's artist
Speaker 3: centric model, launched in partnership with you Universal and Warner,
Speaker 3: achieved a similar aim, providing a double boost in royalties
Speaker 3: to artists with a minimum of one thousand streams per
Speaker 3: month and five hundred unique listeners. This goes on. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of numbers here and we don't have time
Speaker 3: to get into all of it, but the article isn't
Speaker 3: that long, so if you want to check it out,
Speaker 3: music Businessworldwide dot com, which is a great website for
Speaker 3: music news if you're interested in the industry and so forth.
Speaker 3: But we are rapidly running out of time, so I
Speaker 3: think we will close with that. I'm gonna sneak in
Speaker 3: one more Pulsifier song though, let's see because so again
Speaker 3: tonight and if you are listening live on Saturday, Pulsifier
Speaker 3: will be at Music I'm sorry at Jewel Music Venue
Speaker 3: I believe is the official name tonight at eight pm.
Speaker 3: Show starts at eight pm. It is twenty one plus,
Speaker 3: but Jenny and I will be there for the show,
Speaker 3: so come see us. Really looking forward to that. Pulsifier
Speaker 3: such a great band, really great live. It will be
Speaker 3: our second time seeing them. And if you are in
Speaker 3: the Manchester, New Hampshire area and you do want to
Speaker 3: see Pulsifier, this will be the last opportunity to see
Speaker 3: them for a little while around here because they are
Speaker 3: going out on a big national tour, so not sure
Speaker 3: when exactly they're going to be back. But let's see,
Speaker 3: I was looking for a specific song here and I'm
Speaker 3: not finding it. Oh, here it is, I found it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll play this track, war Cry. This is really good.
Speaker 3: This will be a good way to close the show today.
Speaker 3: Thank you everyone who joined us. Of course Adam Seglitch
Speaker 3: from ever Felt always enjoy speaking with him, And of
Speaker 3: course we talked to grim Rock in the first hour.
Speaker 3: And uh, if you miss any part of today's show
Speaker 3: and we'll be up in just a little bit at
Speaker 3: w m n H radio dot org and of course
Speaker 3: at my website Mattconnorton dot com. All right, that's gonna
Speaker 3: do it for us for now. Hope to see you
Speaker 3: a night at Jewel for Pulsifier. And we're gonna close
Speaker 3: out this week's show with this. This is called war Cry.
Speaker 3: Talk at you all a little bit later. Bye, everybody.
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