Matt Connarton Unleashed 1-17-26 hour 3

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0:47 Speaker 3: Welcome everybody. We have entered our number three numerow trace of Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from the studios of w m n H ninety five point three f Inglorious Manchester, New Hampshire. Of course, you can stream the show anywhere. Go to Matt connorton dot com slash live for all of your live streaming options, social media links, contact info, show archives, etc. Etc. Today is Saturday, January seventeen, two thousand and twenty six. Hey, by the way, I did put this up on YouTube on the IBM Nation YouTube channel, but myself and Eric Pilcher.

1:29 Speaker 3: Of course, Eric and I host a podcast on the weekends. We'll be doing another one Sunday night, of course, Tough Bumps, and Eric has contributed many times to this program with his classic film reviews, which we'll be coming back at some point in the future. But Eric and I were actually mentioned on a very popular podcast called Nobody Likes Onions hosted by Patrick Melton. And I've been a fan of Patrick Melton and his podcast for a long time, so it was kind of cool to see that on YouTube he had mentioned US, and but I did clip the the specific part where he talks about Eric Pilter and I and I did put it up on the IPM Nation YouTube channel.

2:09 Speaker 3: So I think the title of the video is Matt Connerton and Eric Pilcher mentioned by Patrick Milton on Nobody Likes Onions. So if you find the clip, you know, I'm not going to get into why he was talking about us. I will leave that to you to find the clip and watch it. But all will be evident and apparent. When you watch the full clip, you'll get the context of it. But anyway, that was kind of fun. I thought i'd mentioned that. But Tough Bumps will be on of course tomorrow night, Sunday night, as we usually do, usually around seven six or seven pm Eastern.

2:44 Speaker 3: The time is not you know, when you're when you're doing a streaming show. I mean, obviously a radio show has to be at a set time every week or every day, whatever it is, right, you know, when you do a live radio show with podcasts and streaming, you can kind of do it however you want. You know a lot of successful streamers in this day and age use the it's on when it's on schedule where basically, you know, you subscribe to the podcast and then you know if they're going If they're going live, you get a notification through social media because you've subscribed to it that oh they're live, and then you go and you watch it live or listen to it live, or you just get it later.

3:18 Speaker 3: I mean, I know with Tough Bumps, a lot of our listeners just get the show later because we don't really announce because we're never really sure exactly what time we're going to be on. But anyway, but we will be on at some point tomorrow night. Tough Bumps streams on YouTube and Facebook and Twitch and even LinkedIn believe it or not. But yeah, we're in various places, and then of course it goes out on all the podcast platforms. So please subscribe, like and subscribe if you check out the show on YouTube.

3:47 Speaker 3: Anyway, I wanted to mention that quickly. But the other thing I wanted to mention is so tonight, and I refer to this early in the show today. But for those of you listening live on Saturday, January seventeenth, tonight, there is a show at Jewel Jewel Music Venue at sixty one Canal Street right across the street actually from where we are here at WM ANDH. Tonight it is Pulsifier. They've been on the show with us and they are playing a show tonight. Let's see. They are going to be there with Ashes of the Priest, which is a Lamb of God a tribute band, and a Sun and Steel which is an Iron Maiden tribute band.

4:24 Speaker 3: Also bug bag Lady almost said bug Lady. Bag Lady is going to be there. But this is Pulsifier's last show in the area before they go out on their big national tour. They're going back out on tour. They're based in Portland, Maine, I believe, but they're going to be here tonight in Manchester. They invited Jenny and I to go to the show, so we will be there. Pulsifier great band. I'm actually going to play one of their tracks in a moment that we featured the last time they were on the show with us.

4:50 Speaker 3: But so that is going to be tonight, so Jenny and I will be there, So come down and say hello. Show starts at eight pm at Jewel It is twenty one plus Jewel Music Venue, sixty one Canal Street right here in Manchester. That will be happening this evening. I'm sure the roads will be fine. It's been snowing here, but it's been a light snow. For those of you watching early, we put on the wad shot. If you happen to be watching the video of the show, you can see on the big screen behind me. Roads are fine.

5:17 Speaker 3: It's still snowing, but it's it's light. It's not a big deal. It's not adding up to anything. So so far this winter, I feel like we've only had one real major snowstorm, but which is not unusual. Winter's here. You know, I grew up in New Hampshire. Winter's here definitely easier than when I was a kid, that's for sure. We had a lot less snow than we did when I was growing up. But let's do this. I want to play a track from Pulsifier, my personal favorite. So I'll be a little bit selfish here, but this is this is a song called Venomous Thing.

5:47 Speaker 3: Sounds really good live. I'm sure they'll play it live tonight at Jewel. But this is such a great track. Then when we come back from this, we got a little music news to cover. So some interesting things that have happened recently in the music industry. But here it is, this is this venomous thing and the band is Pulsifier.

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12:17 Speaker 3: That is venomous thing. The band is Pulsifier and they are playing tonight, January seventeen at Jewel Music Venue, right across the street from where we are here at the radio station. Jewel is at sixty one Canal Street, and they are going to be performing tonight and come see Jenny and I were going to be there for that, So really looking forward to that. It's such a great band, and I wanted to, you know, I did mention some music news and it's funny. I had forgotten about this something that happened recently, a couple weeks ago, and then we have a couple things that are a little more recent.

12:49 Speaker 3: But in case you missed this story, this is kind of fun. This happened closer to the beginning of the month. But what reminded me of it is one of the bands playing tonight with Pulsifier, a Jewel happens be a Lamb of God tribute band, and Lamb of God was in the news recently for kind of a silly reason. But here's what happened. So this is from Billboard dot Com. Stub Hub apologizes after mistakenly listing Lamb of God as Christian concert The metal bands frontman joked about the mistake on his social media So if you miss this, here's what happened.

13:22 Speaker 3: So heavy metal fans in South Carolina were disappointed to discover that the Lamb of God concert they expected was actually a performance about the birth of Jesus Christ, you know, because it was Christmas time. Ticket reseller stub hub apologized on Monday, December twenty second after accidentally listing the Virginia based rock band instead of Christian musician Andrew Peterson's Behold the Lamb of God, a concert featuring music about the stories of Christ, held at the Spartanburg Memorial Auditorium on December twentieth.

13:57 Speaker 3: So, just to be clear, Just to be clear, So it was not that this production was also called Lamb of God. The name of the production. The full name of the production was Andrew Peterson's Behold the Lamb of God, not simply Lamb of God. But stub Hub put it on their website as simply Lamb of God, so they were clearly derelict in this. It says here again. This is from Billboard dot Com. In the days leading up to Peterson's show, the stub Hub listing featured a photo of Lamb of God frontman Randy Blythe and listed the concert as a top trending event at the Spartanburg Memorial Auditorium, according to CBS affiliate WSPA in Spartanburg.

14:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, so, not only did they screw up. I don't know if this is an AI think maybe they let AI do their listings. I don't know. But not only did they list it as simply Lamb of God, but they actually put a picture of the lead singer of Lamb of God. So, you know, anyone who bought tickets to this, you know, it's not it's certainly not on them. It's not you know, sometimes consumers don't pay attention to what they're buying, certainly, but that's not the case here.

15:22 Speaker 9: This was.

15:23 Speaker 3: This could not have been more misleading, I say misleading. I don't think it was intentional. I don't think stub Hub was trying to intentionally bilk anyone out of their ticket money by selling them a show that was not what they not as advertised. I don't think that was what was going on here, because I mean, even if that was something nefarious that someone was doing, it would have you know, they would have to have they would have to have known it was gonna blow up in their faces pretty quick. So just very very sloppy, it says here.

15:53 Speaker 3: After realizing the error, StubHub apologized for the confusion and offered refunds for anyone who purchased to to the show. A stub Hub spokesperson said, quote, we acknowledge the listing for the December twentieth event at Spartanburg Memorial Auditorium was misleading and apologized for the confusion this caused. Ahead of the show, We updated the event page and reached out to customers to clarify the event details. Anyone who purchased tickets under the impression this was a different performance is encouraged to contact us.

16:25 Speaker 3: We'll honor a refund under our fan protect guarantee. Unquote. I was their their statement.

16:39 Speaker 3: It is interesting to me, there's no maybe I'm nitpicking, but I always wonder about this kind of thing. It's it's always interesting how things are worded. I'm always curious about this because you know, I'm sure that whatever statement stub Hub has to put out publicly in a situation like this, it probably has to go through the legal team, the legal team or whoever represents StubHub legally probably has to approve it, sign off on it. There's no apology in here, and again maybe I'm nitpicking, but there is no apology.

17:21 Speaker 3: You know, there's not even a simple we regret the error or we apologize for any confusion. There's nothing. There's an acknowledgement, but that's not the same thing as an apology. You know, someone can acknowledge they've done something wrong, you know, Oh, I realized that wasn't the right thing to do. And then the words that you might expect to follow that are I'm sorry. I realized that wasn't the right thing to do. I'm sorry. That's how normal people talk. But this is written in a way that there's no I'm sorry, there's no apology.

17:57 Speaker 3: It's just we acknowledge. We acknowledge the listing was misleading. They don't even say it was incorrect, because it was it was advertising a completely different show. It says was misleading. Oh, you know what, I'm sorry. It does say apologize and apologize for the confusion this caused. Okay, but notice they don't say we apologize for our mistake. They say we apologize for the confusion this caused and Again, maybe I'm nitpicking, but you know, I'm sure a lawyer had to approve that and and probably said, don't don't say we're sorry for our mistake, just say we're we're sorry for any confusion.

18:43 Speaker 3: Kind of like you know what that reminds me of. It's like when somebody says, like like say, somebody does something bad to you, say, somebody says something rude to you, right, and then they apologize. But instead of saying I'm sorry about what I said or I apologize I was rude to you, they say I'm sorry if you were bothered by what I said, or I'm sorry if I offended you.

19:07 Speaker 2: Right.

19:07 Speaker 3: It's sort of a way of it's sort of like a sorry, not sorry. It's a way of saying i'm sorry if because because it's it's you know, it's a way of putting the blame on you, right. And I don't know if when people do that, if they even necessarily realize consciously in the moment that they're doing that. It might be a subconscious thing. But when someone does that when they say i'm sorry if or I'm sorry you were offended by my words, what they're really doing Again, they might not even mean to do it.

19:39 Speaker 3: It might be a subconscious thing, but what they're really doing is they're putting the blame on you. It's your fault that you were offended, right, I'm sorry you took that the wrong way.

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19:50 Speaker 3: It's sort of a way of apologizing, but not really. And I feel like a statement like this is, well, we're sorry if if, if there was any confusion, No, you you should be sorry that you listed the wrong show, you listed completely the wrong show. You should say we're sorry we made a mistake. No harm in that. But again, a lawyer might look at that and say, don't acknowledge. It's like when you get into a car accident, you're never no matter how much it might be your fault. What does what would the insurance company always say, don't acknowledge?

20:25 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if the insurance company says it, but not literally. I don't think insurance companies actually say that. They probably can't say it legally directly. But but what does everyone always say, never admit fault, Never admit fault, Let the insurance company handle it. You never say I'm sorry, you know, I'm sorry I ran that red light and t boned you. And wrecked your car and your passenger is on their way to the emergency room. You know you don't say that, right, right, They never say that.

20:54 Speaker 3: You never admit fault, not and I'm sorry nothing, You just you know, oops. But you let the insurance company handle it because you don't want to be uh, you don't want to put yourself in a bad position. I feel like this is kind of that. I also think it's interesting that in the statement it says anyone who purchased tickets under the impression this was a different performance is encouraged to contact us. That is weak. No, you should not encourage them to contact you. You should be sending an email to every single person who purchased a ticket to this event and say, if if you purchase these tickets in error, we would like to refund you.

21:35 Speaker 3: You should be you know, it's your fault, stub Hub. You should the honest should be on you contact each each individual who made a purchase and say, uh, we'd like to offer you a refund if this was the wrong event. You should take the initiative. In my opinion, so let's see.

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21:57 Speaker 3: It also says here in the article lamb of God's block again the lead singer from Randy Blath from Lamb of God, took notice of the mistake and joked about it on his Instagram story, reposting news reports about the mix up. Oopsie the Rocker wrote over one story while commenting Merry Christmas, Spartanburg on another and I was reading something too about I guess he said in another interview that this is not the first time and probably won't be the last time something like this has happened. But there you go.

22:28 Speaker 3: But for anyone who purchased take us to that show, I hope you took advantage of getting a refund from StubHub, who you know so graciously offered you a refund if there was any confusion. Anyway, this is more stuff we can talk about in the music industry. There's a very very interesting story regarding AI. But let's play another track again. We're playing some Pulsifier in this hour because if you are listening live on Saturday, Pulsifier is playing tonight at Jewel Show starts at eight pm. Come see us.

23:04 Speaker 3: Jenny and I will be there. We're gonna play another track from Pulsifier right now though. This is called Scars, another great song and uh Pulsifier, great band from Maine. They will be there tonight at Jewel before they embark on their big tour. So if you are local to this area, this will be your last opportunity to see the band for a while because they're gonna be out on a big national tour. So very very happy for them, very excited. But here it is from Pulsifier. This is called scars Heaven.

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29:00 Speaker 3: That is scars. The band is Pulsifier, and Pulsifier will be tonight at Jewel If you are listening live on Saturday. It is January seventeen, twenty twenty six. Pulsifier performing tonight at Jewel Music Venue, sixty nine Canal Street, right across the street from where were here at at the radio station. Actually, let's see they've also got Ashes of the Priest, which is a Lamb of God tribute band, and Son and Steel, an Iron Maiden tribute. Also bag Lady is performing, and this will be Pulsifier's last local show in the area before they go out on their big national tour.

29:35 Speaker 3: So if you want to see them, if you're around Manchester, New Hampshire, or even if you're a little ways out but you want to make the drive, you should. They're a great band. Jenny and I have seen them live before and we're really looking forward tonight. Come down, say hello to Jenny and I too. We'll be there. So Pulsifier tonight at Jewel Doors at eight pm and twenty one plus and that is this evening. So really that's why we're playing some Pulsifi in this hour here on Matt Conderton Unleashed got about.

30:03 Speaker 3: We're about halfway through our number three New Marrow trace of the show today. I did as promise. I wanted to talk about some news. You know, we mentioned band Camp on the show earlier. Band Camp two things that come up a lot on the show. Band Camp the website of course bandcamp dot com and AI and how AI is affecting how music is made generated consumed in the music industry, and band Camp has now banned AI generated music. They have made it official, saying that they want musicians to keep making music.

30:36 Speaker 3: And you know, we've got kind of a point counterpoint on this to look at. But first, this is from Music Businessworldwide dot com And this just happened, by the way, They just announced this ban a couple days ago. According to this website direct tofan platform, band Camp said it will ban artificial intelligence generated music and audio from its platform, including any use of AI tools to I personate other artists or styles. The company made the announcement in a post on Wednesday, January fourteenth.

31:05 Speaker 3: So this just happened. Like I said a few days ago. Quote, something that always strikes us as we put together a round up like this is the sheer quantity of human creativity and passion that artists express on band Camp every single day. The fact that band camp is home to such a vibrant community of real people making incredible music is something we want to protect and maintain unquote. And by the way, and this came up during our conversation with Adam Steglitch have ever felt in the second hour, I think what we talked about with Adam.

31:40 Speaker 3: It was either with Adam or with Grimrock. No, I think it was with Adam. We were talking about how band camp. One of the reasons that I'm such a proponent of it is if you get your music files from band Camp, You're getting a high quality music file, much higher quality than say if you're just streaming it on YouTube or something like that. So just something to be aware of too. Band Camp is really good that way. It says here again. According to this article, band Camp said music and audio that has created quote wholly or in substantial part by AI unquote will no longer be allowed on the platform.

32:10 Speaker 3: The company will also enforce existing policies against any use of AI tools to copy other artists or styles. The company said, quote, we want musicians to keep making music and for fans have confidence that the music they find on band Camp was created by humans unquote. Uh, this has come up several times, like I said, over the past couple of years. You know, Jenny and I talk about this all the time on the show, the effect of AI in the music industry and in the creation of music. And there are some tools like pseudo dot com which we've experimented with Live on the show that they can make some really realistic sounding, you know, music that sounds like it was made by humans, entirely by humans.

32:53 Speaker 3: One thing that look, it's any platform has the right, whether it's band, whether it's YouTube, whomever. As frustrating as it can be at times, any platform has a right to police and control what the content is, in this case music, when we talk about band Camp, what the content is it is being uploaded to their platform. However, I really worry with policies like this that because it's going to happen, it's inevitable. I guess it's an extent it's impossible to prevent this. So it comes down to an extent to which it ends up happening.

33:33 Speaker 3: Artists are going to get caught in the net. And I don't mean net as an internet, I mean net as in like a fishing net. Artists are going to get caught in the net where whatever software band Camp is using to detect AI generated music, there are going to be artists who are flagged by band Camp as being AI generated, who in fact are not AI generated. It's going to happen. It's unavoidable. Okay, So I'm not saying that because that's going to happen, that band camp should not do this. I'm not saying that, but what I am expressing is a concern that what if it happens a lot.

34:20 Speaker 3: Because anybody who's ever created anything that you've then put on the Internet for mass consumption, whether it's music, whether it's a podcast, doing a radio show that you know, in addition to being live on FM radio also streams online. Anybody who's ever created anything knows that sometimes you can get flagged, you can get tagged, you can get dinged for something by these platforms that is in fact, uh not correct, and you're getting blamed for something that you didn't necessarily do.

34:59 Speaker 2: You know.

34:59 Speaker 3: Look, I've I've been on YouTube for a very long time.

35:04 Speaker 3: You know, it hasn't happened in a long time, but I have in the past, more so when I was doing a lot more political content, I would get I would get dinged by YouTube for things. So you can't say this, you can't talk about that. You've got to strike on your account now because you said this, you repeated this, and this is not accurate. You can't do that, you know, and most of the time, not to sound like I'm shirking responsibility. But most of the time it's like, wait a minute, that's not what I said.

35:39 Speaker 3: They're flagging me for I was quoting something somebody else said that wasn't my opinion. Why are they Why am I being penalized for repeating what somebody else said and making it clear? But see, you know what happens is right there is these the bots. They it's all it's AI. See, that's the thing. They use AI to detect AI. That's what band camp is going to be doing here. They're going to use AI to detect when there's.

36:07 Speaker 2: AI and AI.

36:09 Speaker 3: The AI that they're using to detect whether or not they there's AI is not going to get it right every time, especially when because this is a little broad when they say band camp, okay, band Camp said music and audio that is created holly or in substantial part by AI. Listen, any any recording studio you know that that is modern is probably you know, probably has software in their computers in that recording studio that use AI to fix things, to tweak things. I mean, it's so ingrained in everything, and it really has been with us for you know, some people act like, oh, it's this new thing it's not.

37:01 Speaker 3: It's just becoming a lot more prevalent with access to tools like chat ebt and things like this. But AI, there's always been an element of AI, not always literally, but for a very long time in everything we do. I mean, look, even twenty years ago, you could go online, for example, and you could interact with chatbots. Maybe there's a particular service that you are having a problem with. Maybe you made a purchase through a website, for example, and your item never arrived or there's something wrong with it.

37:39 Speaker 3: So you go to the website and you try to contact someone to get some help with your purchase, and you end up talking to someone through a chat box. Right, You're talking to someone, but the person you're talking to doesn't seem to be able to help you very much, or they seem to be really easily confused by what you're trying to communicate to them.

38:02 Speaker 7: Why.

38:03 Speaker 3: Because it's not an actual person, it's a chatbot. It's a bot. It's AI that's been with us for a very long time. So it's not new, it's much more prevalent, especially over the last couple of years. It's much more prevalent than it was and will continue to be it seems to be accelerating and unavoidable, but it's not perfect, and it makes mistakes. It's almost makes it kind of human in that sense. Right now, as it becomes more sophisticated, I presume it will make fewer and fewer mistakes, but it still makes mistakes.

38:43 Speaker 3: So in other words, again, I say all that to say, people are gonna get caught up in this net. When I see these platforms saying well, we're going to ban any use of AI in anything that is uploaded to our platform, It's like, but how are you going to accurately detect it? And I know some will say, no, there's nothing to worry about here. You'd be surprised. I've had people tell me that, Matt, you'd be very surprised at how accurate AI can detect when there's AI being used. I'm a little bit skeptical, because again, I'm someone who has seen what happens when AI tells me, for example, that I've done something wrong on YouTube, when I didn't even do the thing that I'm being accused of by this bot, and good luck trying to talk to a real person, you know.

39:30 Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, There's been a couple instances where I've appealed strikes on my channel and one. But I've also lost some too that I shouldn't have lost. But again, it's it is AI. It's not a human being I'm talking to. So so that's my concern about this.

39:49 Speaker 2: Again.

39:49 Speaker 3: Ultimately, they can do whatever they want. It's their platform, but I worry about people getting caught up in the net who shouldn't be. It also says here again continuing with this article, this is from Music Businessworldwide dot com. It says band Camp said the new policy was driven by quote the sheer quantity of human creativity and passion that artists express on band Camp every single day unquote. Users will be able to report suspected AI generated content through band Camp's reporting tools.

40:16 Speaker 3: The company says it reserves the right to remove music based on suspicion of AI generation. The company said it will update the policy as AI technology continues to develop. The announcement comes over four months since band Camp launched a new thirteen dollars a month subscription service that is human curated. The service gives users access to monthly recorded selections, listening parties, recommendations, and exclusive artists content. Band Camp general manager Dan Melnick at the time said, quote, Instead of algorithms, fans get human curated picks from some of the best DJs and journalists in their respective areas.

40:55 Speaker 3: Exclusive interviews with artists and community listening parties, vibrant music scenes made up of DJ's, journalists, fans and artists, and band camp clubs reflect that as always, artists are paid fairly and sit at the heart of the experience. Unquote all right, well, I like that.

41:13 Speaker 9: I like that.

41:14 Speaker 3: Founded in two thousand and eight, band camp launched as a direct to consumer alternative to record labels for artists. It has since expanded its services to include features such as ticket live streaming, and vinyl pressing. Artists like Peter Gabriel and b York have placed their catalogs on the platform. All Right, I don't want to get into the whole history of band camp, but uh okay, and then it gets into some more details about band Camp. Oh of skipping down though, because Spotify is mentioned here, and I remember we talked about this on the show too, and I expressed the same concern when talking about Spotify removing AI generated music.

41:51 Speaker 3: Some artists are going to get caught in the net it says here. Spotify in September said it removed more than seventy five million spammy tracks from its platform over the past year. Amid the explosion of generative AI tools, the streaming giant rolled out new policies for managing AI generated content on its service to address that. In November, French streaming platform Deezer said it receives over fifty thousand fully AI generated tracks daily, or thirty four percent of all tracks uploaded to its platform each day.

42:26 Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's nuts. That is wild. Now, so that's band Camp's position. Now someone has offered a I don't know if rebuke is quite the right word, but there's an artist because you would think, you would think recording artists would be in favor of what band camp is doing, and probably most are. But Holly Herndon says band Camp's AI ban is misguided. This comes from stereogum dot com. This went up just yesterday. Earlier this week, band Camp issued a blanket ban on generative AI and deep fake impersonations.

43:07 Speaker 3: The new measure makes band Camp an exception on the streaming landscape, where AI music is becoming more and more inescapable. Most of The reactions to this band camp announcement were positive, but one artist who's not applauding it is Holly Herndon, an experimental artist who has long messed around with what she sees as the artistic possibilities of AI technology. Holly Herndon has a PhD from Stanford's Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics, and she has made her most recent album, twenty nineteen's Proto with Spawn and AI Baby, curated by Herndon and her partner Matt Dryhurst.

43:47 Speaker 3: A few years ago, Herndon and Dryhurst

43:54 Speaker 3: launched Spawning, a tool that allows artists to choose whether or not their work will be used to train AI, and that work earned them Austria's first Digital Human Rights Award. Interesting. I didn't know that was a thing. On Wednesday, in response to band Camp's new policy, Herndon tweeted this, putting the ban in band camp it is a wicked problem. So I understand what they are trying to do. I'm sure the human moderators won't be banning artists exploring AI. Rather, I hope will just be looking to filter out sound spam.

44:31 Speaker 3: The gray area will only get larger m HM after a negative response to that tweet. Herndon elaborated with a thread and she said this, I understand why band camp is taking this measure, but it's a tourniquet. The human AI binary is not going to hold and will become a matter of superficial optics. I already have more authorship in my models than most pop stars do in their songs. People will already be using models to generate songs they then put a human filter on. Artists will integrate generated passages into works they orchestrate, and will soon train their own models.

45:12 Speaker 3: Another protection might be to flag accounts that posts on an inhuman amount of content, but that too may seem retrograde. We live with infinite media now. I encourage platforms to be more curated, but enforcing a hard human AI binary is not the right way to address this long term. If an expert uses AI to help them write an article they otherwise would not have the time to complete, it will not be of less substance than a non expert with time on their hands writing something by hand. A practice or reputation of thought and work developed over time is the best filter.

45:52 Speaker 3: The contemporary demand for twenty four to seven content from people is the problem. So that's that's basically her argument. So she's concerned. She has some of the same concerns I do. I mean from a little bit of a you know, from a different perspective.

46:12 Speaker 6: But but.

46:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think the tooth based is probably pretty far out of the tube at this point. As I like to say, Now, there's another element to this though, and this is this is the part that people don't talk about very much. But this came up on the show not long ago. These streaming platforms because of the rise of AI generated music and and how easy it is to make it, and and it is a form of spam. I think Holly Herndon referred to it as sound spam when you just if you just make a whole bunch of AI tracks and just upload them all at once to Spotify and bandcamp, YouTube and wherever else.

46:55 Speaker 3: It does cause a problem, uh, in terms of storage, because you know, we like to think of you know, it's just data. It's not it's not something you know that you can touch or feel or it's or hold. It's it's data. Is there. Therefore, there's just a it doesn't take up any actual room anywhere. You just have this infinite amount of storage space to put data. But that's not true.

47:19 Speaker 2: You have to.

47:22 Speaker 3: You do have to create the physical mechanisms with which to store that data, and you do have to make more of those if you were in more data you have to store. So if you think about this, I don't know the numbers offhand how many different song files are on band Camp and Spotify, and obviously it's in the millions, perhaps in the billions, I don't know. But if if that's all been ratcheted up exponentially because of the rise and the ease with which you can create AI generated music, then that's a problem.

47:55 Speaker 3: So of course they have to find ways to filter this stuff out. And then I find this, Uh, this is on Music Business Worldwide dot com and this just went up a couple of days ago. Music streaming. Music streaming platforms now host a quarter of a billion tracks. Where does it end? And uh, this is uh, this is short, but it just kind of gives us an idea of the scope of the concern here. So it says here there were two hundred and fifty three million music tracks sitting on audio streaming services at the close of twenty twenty five yep, over a quarter of a million.

48:38 Speaker 3: According to new data from Luminant's new annual report, that was that was up only thirty seven point nine million tracks, an average of one hundred and six thousand uploads per day. Most of this music was far from popular. Almost half of the two hundred and fifty three million files hosted by audio platforms received fewer than ten streams last year. Almost three quarters of it received fewer than one hundred annual streams, and nearly nine tenths of it received fewer than one thousand annual streams.

49:19 Speaker 3: We're obviously a long long way from Apple's promise to deliver one thousand songs in your pocket with the iPod ay. Yes, as AI generated music proliferates, are we now just a few short years from the likes of Spotify hosting quote one billion songs in your pocket? And wouldn't such a title wave of content inevitably swamp digital services while hurting artists, songwriters and the perceived value of music amongst consumers. This is all, These are all legitimate concerns. In my opinion, I don't know what the answer is.

49:52 Speaker 3: By the way, off, I'm not here to offer solutions because I have no idea what the answer is to this, but these are legitimate concerts. A Universal Music Group CEO and chairman, Sir Lucian Grange certainly thinks so, and he's keen to stop it from happening. Last week, Grange delivered a stark warning about AI generated content overwhelming streaming platforms. In his twenty twenty six New Year's Address, he wrote, quote, validating business models that failed to respect artists work and creativity and promote the exponential growth of AI slop on streaming platforms is a grave disservice to artists, songwriters and all of us who work in music.

50:34 Speaker 3: Unquote, this warning was not theoretical. Last year Spotify removed think think about these numbers. Last year, Spotify removed over seventy five million spammy tracks from its platform, while rival Deezer reported receiving fifty thousand fully AI generated tracks per day, accounting for thirty four percent of all daily uploads. So think about that. So, on any given day, Deezer, what's being uploaded? A third of it a third is AI generated tracks. Yet, despite this aggressive purgeing of content, the total amount of music and the global audio streaming ecosystem continued to soar in twenty twenty five.

51:22 Speaker 3: Discussion around tracks that attract fewer than one thousand streams per year is, of course particularly relevant. Here illuminates new numbers help illustrate why, with UMG's encouragement, audio streaming services move toward artist centric style payment models a couple of years ago, and why these models are now increasingly being stress tested by AI.

51:47 Speaker 3: In early twenty twenty four, Spotify introduced a threshold requiring tracks to attract at least one thousand plays in a twelve month period to qualify for royalty payouts, which a lot of people were mad about. They were critical of I get it though at the time Spotify said ninety nine point five percent of streams on its platform went to tracks exceeding the one thousand annual streams threshold. Under its new policy, it said each of those tracks would earn more, with payouts previously going to sub one thousand stream tracks redirected back into the royalty pool.

52:17 Speaker 3: Deezer's artist centric model, launched in partnership with you Universal and Warner, achieved a similar aim, providing a double boost in royalties to artists with a minimum of one thousand streams per month and five hundred unique listeners. This goes on. There's a lot of numbers here and we don't have time to get into all of it, but the article isn't that long, so if you want to check it out, music Businessworldwide dot com, which is a great website for music news if you're interested in the industry and so forth.

52:44 Speaker 3: But we are rapidly running out of time, so I think we will close with that. I'm gonna sneak in one more Pulsifier song though, let's see because so again tonight and if you are listening live on Saturday, Pulsifier will be at Music I'm sorry at Jewel Music Venue I believe is the official name tonight at eight pm. Show starts at eight pm. It is twenty one plus, but Jenny and I will be there for the show, so come see us. Really looking forward to that. Pulsifier such a great band, really great live.

53:20 Speaker 3: It will be our second time seeing them. And if you are in the Manchester, New Hampshire area and you do want to see Pulsifier, this will be the last opportunity to see them for a little while around here because they are going out on a big national tour, so not sure when exactly they're going to be back. But let's see, I was looking for a specific song here and I'm not finding it. Oh, here it is, I found it. Yeah, we'll play this track, war Cry. This is really good. This will be a good way to close the show today.

53:52 Speaker 3: Thank you everyone who joined us. Of course Adam Seglitch from ever Felt always enjoy speaking with him, And of course we talked to grim Rock in the first hour. And uh, if you miss any part of today's show and we'll be up in just a little bit at w m n H radio dot org and of course at my website Mattconnorton dot com. All right, that's gonna do it for us for now. Hope to see you a night at Jewel for Pulsifier. And we're gonna close out this week's show with this. This is called war Cry. Talk at you all a little bit later.

54:18 Speaker 3: Bye, everybody.

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