Matt Connarton Unleashed 1-20-24, part 2

Um come he God, don't get so freely, Matt southing. Welcome everybody

as we enter our number three New Marrow trace of Matt Connorton unleashed and we

are live from the studios of w m n H ninety five point three FM,

inglorious but a little Chili, Manchester, New h Sure, so welcome

everybody. Of course, we are coming to you from our new studios.

We are live on this January twentieth, twenty twenty four, coming to you

from our new studios at on Canal Street here and uh, it's uh,

it's nice to be in a place. It's it's very clean, it's new.

It's uh. I like it. It's very bright. I like it.

PAULI c uh had a little bit of an issue with the brightness.

I like the but I like the brightness a lot. That's the thing.

It's kind of a running joke on Retrospectrum Radio because Paul, you know,

Paul likes likes to dim the lights, you know the move. But I

like it bright. I like a lot of bright light keeps the neurons firing

in the brain, you know what I mean for me to well, there's

that too. Yes, it's nice to be able to see things. Let

me play. The brightness of the room is to help. So if you

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why it would change, but I heard I think Peter had said something about

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globe, I guess would be more accurate unless you're I guess if you're a

flat earther you would say across well, you wouldn't say across the globe,

you would say what across the across the planet? The what? Uh No,

I don't think so, mem that's getting very specific. But anyway,

but you can you can listen many different ways. And thank you by the

way, we had to Chloe and Nick and Derek Smith of course, who

I think is going to be rejoining us shortly, uh, but yes,

from the Mosaic Art Mosaic Art Collective and come down and say hello. Jenny

and I will be there tonight for the show. It is on It's right

above the Palace Theater, our Palace on Hanover Street. Yeah, check check

out Mosaic Art Collective online. Great show tonight, Abner the Second and Regals

will be performing live and Jenny and I will be there. Come down and

say hello. It's a great place, so we'd love to see you there

for the show tonight. See six Hanover Streets there you go to one doors

were opening at seven pm and they were our first in studio guests on the

in the new studio here in the new location. Typically, you know,

we do since we've gone to Saturdays and doing these three hour shows, we

usually have very busy shows, very stacked with you know, different guests in

each hour and whatnot. But because it's our first show in our new environs,

we decided we'll just you know, we'll just have limited guests just to

kind of make sure that everything goes smoothly here now that we're in the new

place. But we have a lot of exciting musical guests coming up in the

in the weeks approaching, and it's going to be really good. So so

I'm digging it. I like the new place. Like I said, it's

nice. You know, everything's clean and new, so it's pretty cool,

pretty cool. I like it a lot, I really do. And it's

it's I don't know, it's special. You're not like hidden in a building

somewhere. You are the building. The thing is too And I can't remember

if I said this. I've said it off air, I've made this observation.

I don't remember if I said it on air on Paul's show. But

this is kind of like one of those magic buildings. And what I mean

by that is you look at it from the outside and it looks kind of

small, and then you get inside the building and it's like big, you

know, like there's so much more space in this building than I thought there

was. It just looks small from the outside. I remember when I first

found out we were going to be moving here, and I was like that

that tiny little building, we're going to be moving there. But then you

get inside here and it's like, uh, seriously, it's it's actually quite

large. It is this way bigger on the inside. Like this is actually

one of those situations where it's true. Yeah, yeah, because it does.

It looks super small from the outside. I know that. We were

like, oh my god, it's gonna be a closet. Yeah yeah,

but it's not. It's a great space. Yeah absolutely. And it has

a fan on the ceiling and I love that. Can I just say I

love that We'll be able to circulate the air in here in the summer.

True. Oh my, that's wonderful. Yeah yeah, yeah, that is

opening the third story windows in the hall in the in the it's like a

tunnel of air that goes down Elm Street Street tunnels such a wind tunnel.

Yeah right, And if it's not flowing your way, forget it. There's

no air coming in those windows, right, So yeah, I'll take this.

That is true. That is true. But yeah, six oh three,

two five, six seven, If you would like to join us,

we were talking, so I just found something online because we were talking in

the first hour. If you missed the first hour, of course, the

show will be up on the website by one pm at the very latest,

and on the podcasting platforms and so forth, the same as always. But

we were talking in the first hour about well, we kind of took a

little bit of a side street. We were talking about Madonna and you know

she's being sued by a couple of fans because she apparently she exhibits the same

behavior that Axel Rose when he was younger and immature, used to exhibit,

you know, going on very late, making making the fans wait. And

so Madonna did a show in New York City and uh started two hours late,

and a couple of fans actually are suing her something. So we're talking

about that, and I had UH again. We took a little bit of

a side street. I was talking about how you know, before you buy

tickets to any kind of a big show, a major touring act or or

or a mid level uh touring act, you know, anybody, really you

should do just take a couple of minutes. It'll that's all it'll take.

You just do some light research online so you know what you're getting into,

because apparently, so in the Madonna example, for example, she apparently has

a bit of a history of doing this, of going on stage late and

so forth. But the other thing that I talked about, and this is

where the side street comes in, is I was talking about how, you

know, a lot of bands tour and they have very few original members,

or in some cases they have no original members, and I was talking about

Foreigner how the guy who was the original guitar player now effectively manages the band

and still tours with them as a like a tour manager, but doesn't actually

perform on stage. So if you are someone who is concerned about that type

of thing, because sometimes you'll see people online talking about how, oh,

I went to see such and such band, and I didn't recognize any of

the people on stage, and then I no original members, or there's one

original member or two original members, but the key members aren't even in the

band. And so that's more common than people think. And the average consumer,

the average concert goer who maybe isn't that invested necessarily. They just want

to go to a live show, but it's not the most important thing to

them, just a casual night out. Maybe they don't care. Maybe they're

willing to spend that money by that ticket and don't really care who's in the

band. And I think that the concert industry, to a large extent,

depends on those consumers who aren't necessarily informed and don't particularly care to be because

it's not that important to them. But if you are someone who's going to

be concerned about that like I said, just to a couple of minutes of

light research, see who's actually in the band, because if you're going to

feel somehow cheated because you get there and you don't recognize it anybody who's on

stage, you might feel, you know, well, you could have avoided

that. You might feel like, Wow, I spent these tickets and I

don't even know any of the people on stage. This isn't the band.

Because you'll often hear people who complain about that kind of thing. They'll say,

oh, this is just a glorified cover band. It's not even the

real band anymore. So do some light research again, take you two or

three minutes if you care, before you buy those tickets, so you know

exactly what you're getting. So that was a subject in the first hour of

the show, in the nine o'clock hour, and then I happen to find

an article. I figured this would be an interesting thing to circle back to

and Derek, you're welcome to participate if you want to. I mean,

you don't have to, it's up to you, but you're welcome to our

friend Derek Smith. He's back with us in the studio. No pressure,

but if you have any input all right. But I found this article on

Ultimate Classic rock dot com bands with no original members, So, and there's

more of them than you might think. So these are these are you know,

classic rock artists primarily who are touring, who tour with no original members

in the band at all. And this is more common than you might think.

So uh, here's what the article says. As you'll see in the

following list of bands with no original members. Not everybody can be you two,

you know, because you two has had You two all their decades of

existence. They've never had a lineup change. It's always been the same four

guys. That study group never reshuffled bandmates. Oh, that sturdy group.

Rather, I did think the phrasing was odd. Study group. No,

that sturdy group never reshuffled bandmates. But but and by the way, off

the top of my head, I cannot think of an other band that has

been around as long as you two have that has never had a lineup change.

Never, not even for a single album. They've had lineup changes.

Really, Oh, that's not the original lineup I thought it was. I

really did. Yeah, yeah, no, Ron Wood, he hasn't always

been in the band. Yeah, it's upt Derek All right, Oh,

it looked like you were trying to tell me something that that you love.

Yeah, we gotta yeah, pull that micup and I'll bring your mic up

here. There, there you go. I was just gonna say, you

know, aside from Charlie Watts, of course, who they lost, I

thought that they carried on the members Ron Woods after Ron Wood's not an original

member, yeah, but he's still with him now at least. Yeah.

Right, yeah, I mean, you know, the the lineup. I

mean he's been uh, he's been there for so long. But yeah,

and of course Bill Wyman left and jeez, like fifteen years ago Bill Wyman

left, I forget his name now who plays bass for them now? But

yeah, I can't think of it. So I can't think of an example

other than you two of a band that has never changed members, it says

here. For some changes have been the norm rather than the exception. Blood

Sweat and Tears and Renaissance, for example, seem to be breaking up as

soon as they formed. The Little River Band have been in flux over ever

since the end of their hit making Heyday back in the early eighties. For

others, the personnel shifts have been drastic. No one in Blackfoot, which

was co founded by Ricky Medlock in nineteen sixty nine, has a tenure dating

back further than a few years. Guitarist Scott Gorham hooked up with then Lizzie

just before they hit it big with the Boys are Back in Town, but

continues with a group where most of the members joined in twenty ten or later.

There are bands like Quiet, Riot, Gwar, and Rat, which

slowly whittled down to their final original member Kevin Dubrow, Dave Brocky and Stephen

Pearcy, respectively, before he left or passed on. Let's see skipping down

here. This is a little more in depth than I thought. Defections and

deaths have also altered career trajectories of groups like Heart, The Hollies and Yes,

but they had a wrinkle to things since the current lineups still most prominent

members from their best known eras, including Nancy and Anne Wilson of Heart,

Tony Hicks and the Hollies, and Steve Howe and Alan White of Yes Now.

Heart is an example though, of a band where as long as the

Wilson sisters are there, I think most people that's that's all they really care

about. With Heart, I don't think that if either of them were to

leave, I think that people would say, well, that's not really Heart

anymore. Part of why this is interesting to me too. And then we'll

get into the actual list of bands that have no original members. But you

know, Kiss is my favorite band. I'm a lifelong Kiss fan, and

and right, and with Kiss, it's it's always a discussion among Kiss fans.

It's always, you know, these arguments about well is it really Kiss

without the original lineup. They are still to this day people who say,

well, without Paul Gene, uh, Paul Gene Asen Peter, it's not

really Kiss, you know. And and you know what that bends doing now

that they had their quote unquote final tour the avatars. Yeah, yeah,

we talked about AI. Yeah, they're doing like the digital version hologram.

Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. But when I became a Kiss fan in

the eighties, Kiss was not the original lineup at that point, so it

didn't matter to me. To me, it's like, and I think a

lot of Kiss fans feel this way. You know, as long as Paul

Stanley and Gene Simmons are there, it's Kiss. But if one of them

were not there, it wouldn't be Kiss, So that's always an argument among

Kiss fans, but is so here's the list of bands that are currently active

but have no original members at all. This is from Ultimate Classic Rock dot

com, and there's some explanations that go with this. So the first one

listed here is Yes. It says Yes. We're founded in nineteen sixty eight

by John Anderson, Peter Banks, Bill Bruford, Tony Kay, and Chris

Squire, the latter of whom was their longest tenured member since his death in

twenty fifteen. Banks was gone after just two embryonic albums, followed by Kay

and then Bruford in the early seventies. K eventually We're during Yes his eighties

pop renaissance. Anderson remained off and on through two thousand and four. Yeah,

and of course during the eighties, you know, Owner of a Lonely

Heart was just a massive hit, a song that I never liked. But

I think part of why I never liked it was because I had to hear

it constantly and couldn't turn on MTV without seeing the video. But today,

Yeah, for Yes, it says Steve Howe and then Alan White joined Yes

as the band was reaching a creative peak in seventy one to seventy two.

Creative, not a commercial peak, but a creative one. I personally,

I don't like any of any early Yes, if you're any early, like

anything early yeah or for yes? No, the early stuff was very prague,

you know. It wasn't like Yeah, it's not like the eighties stuff

where it's very melodic. The early stuff is like I'm most familiar with the

Fragile album and the Close to the Edge, yeah for them, but I

didn't all on see prefer Chris Squire's solo album Fish out of Water, I've

never heard it. Is it good? Yeah, it's very good. It's

only five songs, but oh there's it's because there's a couple that are pretty

long. But really yeah, as prague is, but it's it's a flawless

five songs. When did that come out? Mid seventies? Oh okay,

oh okay. So he was obviously still in the band, as we said

till the end. But but so you probably like the So do you like

early Yes, you like the prog stuff. I like some of Fragile and

Close to the Edge. Is I think that that title track is all one

side of the vinyl. Oh that long of a song. Oh, there's

a lot to it. But so you probably don't care for the eighties stuff

then, right, No, Like, yeah, I didn't think so.

Yeah, Like Owner of a Lonely Heart was like the huge hit, leave

It, I think is a cool song. But I but I was never

I was never a big fan of any air. Yes, really not a

big fan. You know, could kind of take him or leave them.

They had that one other poppy single to what was it called. Oh,

they had a bunch of hits. Owner of a Lonely Heart was the big

one, but leave It was kind of a hit, and jeez, I

can't even remember what else now, but yeah, they were massively successful for

a while. The next one on the list is Heart. It says Roger

Fisher and Steve Fosson led several early incarnations of Heart with names like The Army

and White Heart, beginning as early as nineteen sixty seven, long before the

first Wilson's sister joined in the early seventies, I'll be damned. They were

then briefly known as hocus Pocus before things started coming together for the group in

the new decade. Now, Nancy and Ann Wilson have led Heart to multi

platinum success in the seventies before co founders Roger Fisher and then Steve Fasson departed.

Contributors like Danny Carmassy and Gilby Clark have since moved through the lineup,

among others. Nancy Wilson announced her own version of Heart in twenty twenty two.

Like I said, though, I think generally the perception is that as

long as the Wilson sisters are there, it's Heart. I don't think most

people, even I mean diehard fans would know the other members, but casual

fans would have no idea, no idea. The song I was thinking of,

of yes is also on the Fragile album It's Roundabout, Oh, Roundabout

Yeah, that one I don't care for either. It's like their pops song

from the album Yeah. Well yeah, it's interesting. I kind of like

that one. But see that song. To me, though, what's kind

of both like it's I think it's it's kind of a pop song, obviously

because it was a big radio hit and you'll hear it on classic stations,

but it definitely has prog elements I think too, you know, I think

that you know, I'm just kind of playing it in my mind and it's

like, actually, I think it's impressive that a song could have those prog

elements but be successful. That's successful commercially, you know what I mean?

Right, Yeah, I'm playing it in my mind and it's like, yeah,

it's yeah, the the baseline, it's definitely it's a departure from the

rest of it though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt, no

doubt. Now this is an interesting one, Leonard SKINNERD. Part of what

makes this one interesting is the various lawsuits that happened over the years because,

of course the original Leonard SKINNERD. Half the band was, uh, maybe

more than half was killed in that plane crash, so it says here.

Leonard Skinner was originally founded by Ronnie van zandt Gary Rossington and Alan Collins,

with classic era lineups that also included Ed King, Artemis Pyle, Ricky Medlock,

Billy Powell, Leon Wilkison, and Steve Gaines, among others. Van

Zant and Gaines were killed in a nineteen seventy seven plane crash that also left

Wilkinson in critical condition, and Leonard Skinnard disbanded. Leonard SKINNERD reconvened ten years

later, after the crash with Rossington, King, Wilkeson, Pile, and

Powell were joined by a new frontman, Johnny van zant Ronnie's younger brother,

who I would argue technically was actually a better singer than the older and dead

van Zandt, which is heresy among Leonard Skinner fans. But I actually think,

actually, I think Johnny's a better singer. Collins was unable to take

part after a car accident. Pile soon exited. He got in all kinds

of legal trouble, and then King left, Medlock returned, but then Wilkeson

died in two thousand and one, followed by Powell in two thousand and nine,

and Rossington, the last surviving co founder, in twenty twenty three.

Yeah, I remember there were a lot, Like twenty years ago, there

were lawsuits because Gary Rossington kept the band going and he had effectively taken full

control of the band, and other former members' families were suing him and trying

to keep him from using the name, but not successfully. But then Rossington

died. So let's see Little River Band. I don't know if I care

about this one. Anybody care about Little River Band? No? I like

a couple of their songs, but I don't know if I want to really

say, I can't even think of one. I gotta be honest. They

had, they had a bunch of hits. Oh Lonesome Loser is a good

song. No, not clicking? What other song? I feel like?

There's another little River band song I like. I can't remember what it was,

though, so I must not like it that much. Blood, sweat

and Tears. I don't really care about that one either. Okay, then

Lizzie, because everybody knows the boys are back in town. Childhood friend Brian

Downey and Phil Lynnett Lennott. I'm never sure if I'm saying that correctly formed

Thin Lizzie in nineteen sixty nine with two former members of Van Morrison's band Them.

Guitarist Brian Robertson and Scott Gorham joined just before the group's nineteen seventy three

commercial breakthrough. Robertson was eventually replaced by Gary Moore. Lynnett also worked with

members of The Sex Pistols before then. Lizzie initially split in eighty three.

He died three years later. Scott Gorum began leading Thin Lizzie again in ninety

six. Together with co founder Brian Downey and early eighties era member Darren Wharton.

Yeah, I don't care about the rest of this. I guess I

don't care about them Lizzy that much. I'm bored. I got bored.

I got bored with thin Lizzie Barry. I like jail Break, Oh jail

Break. Yeah, that's a cool song. Boys Are Back in Town is

okay, But it's one of those songs that I've just heard it so many

times over the of my life. I'm sick of it. Like, if

you listen to a classic rock station for more than an hour, you're probably

gonna hear Ployser back in Town and it's uh yeah, it gets it gets

old. The Hollies, I don't care that much, Iron Butterfly, I

don't care that much. Rat Ah, Yes, Round and Round, got

about them. Yes. Stephen Pearcy began working with a series of precursor bands

in seventy three, one of which was called Mickey Rat. Robin Crosby joined

a few years after, and the name was shortened to Rat. That's with

two t's. Their early eighties hit hit making lineup was complete with the additions

of Warren D. Martini, Bobby Blotzer and Juan Crusier. By nineteen ninety,

they'd split with Crosby and RAT disbanded in ninety two. Pierc, d

Martini and Blotzer reunited as RAT five years later, before Crosby overdosed in two

thousand and two. The surviving four members got together again in seven but Piercy

left once more in twenty fourteen. I liked some hair metal anthems found and

round by them and their ballad of eighteen in life, No you're thinking of

skid row eighteen, RAT has a ballad called giving Yourself Away. Okay,

I think Actually, Peter White and I had a conversation. I think about

that song once, Giving Yourself Away. I think is such an underrated song.

It's not a song most people think of when they think of RAT,

and I think it might have been their last big radio single too, really

good song. So today, Bobby Blotzer, who joined about a decade after

Rat's founding announced in twenty sixteen, announced a twenty sixteen lineup that also included

nineties era edition Robbie Crane that sparked a public disagreement. Yeah, this is

one of those lawsuit situations that sparked a public disagreement with Warren D. Martini,

who didn't want the band to continue without Stephen Pearcy. Meanwhile, Lotser

filed legal papers against one Crucier, who also had his own Rat themed group

out on the road at one point. Piercy subsequently reunited with Crucier to launch

still another version of Rat with all new bandmates and Jenny. Remember I was

saying earlier, I was saying in the first hour about how sometimes there will

actually be two different versions of a band using the same name out on tour.

And that's why it's important if you care about who's in the band,

do some research before you buy those tickets so you know what you're getting or

literally what version of the band you might be getting. Never thought of it,

and you're right. There are times when there are two different concerts going

with the same music and different members. Oh yeah, yeah, that's sometimes.

Employ is a classic example of two different people's touring at the same time

playing the same music. Well yeah, but not under the but not under

the name Pink like Roger Waters. You know he would do solo tours and

still does I guess, you know, playing all that stuff. But but

as Roger Waters. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, and you know sometimes

too. The way what will end up happening is and I think this happened

with Rat. It doesn't get into further detail here in this article, but

I think at one point there was one of the versions of Rat. What

what one ends up happening is the compromise is. I think there was a

version of Rat that was technically called Rat featuring Steven Piercy. And that's how

they get around the confusion. Really, yeah, that's how they get around

illegally, you know, Rat featuring Steven Piercy, or you know, or

La Guns featuring uh I forget the name of the singer from Elly Guns,

but yeah, that's how they get around it. That's how they resolve it.

Canned Heat is on the list. I couldn't care less or about Renaissance.

Let's see Quiet Riot. Yeah. I saw these guys not too long

before Kevin Dubro died. I saw them at a I saw them in Laconia

co founding co founded by a pre Ozzy Osbourne Randy Rhodes in nineteen seventy three,

Quiet Riot rose to fame in the early eighties, when Kevin Dubro Carlos

Cavazo, Rudy Sarzo and Frankie binally hit it big with Metal Health. Kevin

Dubrou helmed a two thousand and four reunion before that's probably the tour I saw

them on before leadership fell to Frankie Binali, who arrived nearly ten years after

Quiet Riots started. Both have since passed, leaving behind a group that included

longtime bassist Chuck Wright and new editions Alex Grossi and Jimmy Peede pe d Peede

no idea. Oh yeah, Rudy Sarzo later returned to replace right, So

yeah, no original members there. Let's see humble Pie. I don't really

care, Gore, I don't really care. So that's the list. But

what was the Laconia Venue? Was it the theater that's still there? Oh,

it's a place that I don't think it's even still open, although it

might have. It might have been the Flying Monkey. Is that still there?

That's still there? Right? I believe it is. It might have

been that. It might have been or New Market, but I remember,

and you know, and they did a meet and greet after the show and

super nice guys and uh, Kevin du Bros. Uh, and I know

he's passed. I don't say this to mock him. I mean it as

a sincere compliment. His hair extensions in person looked incredible. But Flying Monkey,

I just it's technically Plymouth. Oh that's Plymouth. Oh maybe that's where

Maybe that's where I may have moved. I don't No. I definitely saw

them in Laconia. Okay, so it wasn't the Flying Monkey. I'm not

sure now, I'm not sure. It was a long time ago. I

saw them with Dan Randall of Dan Randall and the Randletts. How do you

how do you feel about that Derek band's touring with Like, do you have

any you know some people just think it's wrong to do when a when a

band tourism they don't have any original members? What do you think? Do

you do you? Does it bother? You do care? Does it depend

on the band or I really it doesn't matter to me. If they want

the music to live on, I'd say go for it. Yah, But

the fans need to be there to back them obviously. Yeah, as de

lucrative for him, because I feel like a lot of the time too,

they're they're kind of depending on you know, people just not noticing, you

know, especially you know where it's really prevalent, as on these package tours

that you see where you see like you see eighties bands where it's like four

bands and they're all touring at the same time, you know, and they

were all big. You know, like for a while there was a span

of time maybe ten twelve years ago where every summer it would be you know,

Poison and Winger and skid Row would all be on a package tour together.

And and you know, and of course you know some asking Boch hasn't

been in skid Row forever, you know, so you so you know you're

getting something that's not going to be exactly what you may have remembered, shall

we say. But yeah, so interesting stuff. But like I say,

you know, do the you know, do the quick research before you buy

those tickets, so you know what you're getting. I mean, if I

want to see a cover band, then I want to see a cover band,

right, I want to get music cover band. Yeah, just be

up front honest about it. Like, isn't there like Kiss has a sanctioned

band that they've always a mini Kiss? Right? Well, yeah, there's

there is a there is a band for for people who don't know. Yes,

there is a there is a band called Mini Kiss. They are little

people, and I guess that's the term we use. They are little people

and they do the tribute show. But they're they're they're they're allowed to like

Kisses. Well, here's okay with this so interesting, that's an interesting subject.

So Kiss has always been really good about because I know they have a

certain and Gene Simmons in particular might have a certain reputation, but that I

don't think is fair. They've always been really good about not going after cover

bands. Don't you want your music being well, that's well, that's the

thing. But some but some bands, some artists will go after cover bands

and say, hey, you know, either knock it off that you you

have no right you know, we don't give you permission to do that,

or or or will say, you know, you got to make sure you

give us a chunk. Kiss has always been really good about that. But

there's also a bit of an ulterior motive because during the eighties, the eighties

into the early nineties, during the non makeup era of the band, because

remember they were out of the makeup for thirteen years. During that span of

time there was. Actually it was kind of helpful to them in the marketplace.

This is something they'll never acknowledge, but it has been acknowledged by people

who work with them. It was kind of helpful to them to have bands

out there doing the you know, the show in full makeup, you know,

playing that music as cover bands, because it just you know, yeah,

it helps, right, So, even though Kiss was not in the

makeup, having the cover bands out there did kind of help them. And

then ironically, when Kiss reunited with the original lineup and put the makeup back

on in ninety six, it kind of made the cover bands irrelevant because well,

now we have what the cover bands were doing, We have that back,

so now we don't even need those those tribute bands. The other interesting

thing about Kiss, though, is with the tribute bands, there are different

types of Kiss, you know, like you've got the Kiss tribute bands that

just do the standard you know show and full makeup and whatnot. But then

you've got other You've got some that are very sort of niche. I used

to say niche, but I noticed the rest of the English speaking world now

pronounces it niche, so I've tried to adapt to that. So people don't

look at me funny. I'm gonna look at you funny. For example,

there's a Kiss tribute band called Reason to Kiss Really, and they're like this

acoustic duo that's kind of a neat name. They're like this acoustic duo or

maybe they're a trio I forget and they only do Kiss songs from the non

makeup eighties era. And Kiss had a song in the eighties, they had

a single called Reason to Live. So this acoustic group they call themselves Reason

to Kiss and they and they only do the only do songs from that era.

It's very very specialized, and there's but there's others. There's a bunch

of Kiss tribute acts who just they work in a very specific uh you know,

there's there's another one that only does like like the early nineties, non

makeup stuff like that specifically. It's kind of cool. It's kind of cool.

But coincidentally, last night I shared out on Facebook, you know,

I'm a big Black Sabbath fan, and that's a band that, you know,

during the eighties they went through constant lineup changes where Tony Iomi was the

only original member of Black. Tony Iomi is the only member of Black Sabbath,

who's been in every lineup. In fact, Eric Singer the drummer and

Kiss played in Black Sabbath for a couple of albums when I was more into

hard rock and metal still in high school. I got to see the original

line up as part of Ozfest one year. We might have been at the

same show at the well it was it was it was Tweeter Center and then

it became the Comcast Great Woods initially at that one too. Yeah, we

might have been that. That was like two thousand or two thousand and one.

I think it was the first thousand one. It was when when Black

Sabbath reunited. Yeah, and I in my Hope dress. I have the

little black confetti yes at Black Sabbath, Yeah on silver I have some of

that confetti that I kept from that. I remember that. Yeah, oh

god, we were all at the same concert. Yeah. And speaking of

Kiss, I never have gotten to see them, but I did help load

their here and stage stuff at what was initially Meadow Brooke and now the New

Hampshire Bank of Pavilion. Do you get to see him when they played there?

I was at that show. Yeah, So I did the day load

in for that but I left and came back to I was. I was

living in Manchester at the time. Yeah, yeah, yep, I was

at that show. That was cool because that stage is small for an arena

level sized venue, that's an unusually small stage and I was close to the

front. So seeing seeing them in full makeup, with the stage effects and

everything on such a small stage was actually kind of cool because I'd never seen

them on a stage that small, you know, And because it because it

was so small, they couldn't do the full because they had a bigger they

had a bigger stage set. They still had pyro, but they had that.

They had a huge like mechanical spider sort of okay, I didn't remember

seeing on that tour, but they couldn't use it at in that venue because

it's small. But yeah, that was pretty cool. I was getting to

getting to see them on a smaller stage like that. That was fun.

That was a That was a really good show. The very first concert was

the cape Cod Melody tent of a small venue and the stage would go around.

Everybody sat all around it. It was Schuka Khan. No. That

was my first concert I went through one says a child with my folks see

Willie Nelson say. I grew up going to his shows and the dad would

get us backstage and whatnot. But I remember seeing the Melody tent of the

circular rotating Stageply we were talking about earlier about getting to see artists at the

Mosaic Art Collective. We've got that small venue that personal is hyenas. If

I'm not mistaken, it's the cap called Melody. I think so, I

think so. Oh. But the thing I was going to say about Black

Sabbath is there's a lot of really good there's a lot of really good Black

Sabbath that doesn't have either Ozzie or Ronnie James Gio singing on it. Like

when Tony Martin was kind of he's kind of the third man. He did

six albums with them, and really good. But there was a span of

time where Tony Iomi, like I said, he was the only original member

in Black Sabbath, And but their output was their musical output remained, in

my opinion, very high level. And there's a great book. I can't

remember the name of the music journalist who wrote it. His name escapes me.

But the book is called Never Say Die, and it chronicles the history

of Black Sabbath from it starts where Ozzy left, and it ends where Ozzie

returns, and it goes through. I mean, you've got to be a

real Black Sabbath fan to enjoy it, because it gets pretty granular, but

it goes through in great detail. It explains all the lineup changes because it

was a real revolving door. I mean, they went through a bunch of

singers, like they did an album with Ian Gillen from Deep Purple called Born

Again, but Ian Gillen only lasted one album. But it's a great album,

you know. Like I said, they did a bunch with Tony Martin,

they were Why do you think they went through so many? Do you

think it was personalities? It's weird because when I read that book, I

didn't get the impression from it that because the first thought someone might think is,

wow, Tony Iomi must be really difficult to work with, But from

reading the book, it seemed to me like Tony Iomi's is actually pretty easy

to work with. It just seemed like there were constant circumstances around, just

external things that kept causing people to come and go, even Tony Martin,

who sang Tony Martin sang on more albums than either Ozzie or Black Sabbath at

that point, but even he wasn't there consecutively. He left and came back.

You know, Ronnie James Dio left and came back. He did two

albums. He's from Portsmouth. Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah,

the Dio is from the Portsmouth area. No idea. I never knew that.

I'll be damned, I like it. I had no idea. Oh

that's pretty cool. But but I recommend that book for anyone who's interested.

It's called Never Say Die, and it's and it really it's it's a good

read, and it just talks about all the different lineup chain and then it

ends with Ozzie's return. I was supposed to see them on It was ninety

five The Forbidden Forbidden was the name of the album, and they ended up

canceling the tour because it was it was you know, it was a couple

of years before Ozzie came back, and just you know, they were they

were kind of dead in the water commercially. It took Ozzie coming back to

really breathe new life into the band. But you know, and then saw

them on oz Fest so, but I feel like the change up in vocalists

may have been attributed to h Ozzie's drug use back then too and just being

wild. Well that's why, yeah, that's why he him. Yeah,

that's why they had to get rid of him. Yeah. Yeah. And

then Dio came in, and Dio was a strong personality, so I think

he and Tony Iomi butted heads and then so Dio was there for two albums

and then and then I think after that was Ian Gillen who only lasted one

album, and then probably Tony Martin after that. But there even were a

couple of other there instances where like I think there was one instance where Tony

Martin did the album but then didn't want a tour, so they hurt somebody

else for the tour. It's just crazy. It was such a revolving door.

I also think that, uh oh, there was also an album.

There was a Black Sabbath album called Seventh There's an album called Seventh Star that

was actually released as Black Sabbath featuring Tony Iomi because it was supposed to be

a solo album and then the record company said, yeah, we changed our

minds. We wanted to be a Black Sabbath album. So the compromise was

they called it Black Sabbath featuring Tony Iomi. But yeah, I find all

that stuff fascinating. So Jenny, do you know offhand? Uh? Do?

Who we have next week? I do? I do? We should

plug that before we run out of time, and then we'll let me pull

up the right. Where are we then today? And where am I?

We'll end with talking about what's going on tonight? But yeah, is Gary

Lawrence is that next week? Gary Lawrence is coming next week? He will

be live in studio, coming in at the eleven o'clock hour. At the

ten o'clock hour. We have after the Winter. Oh yeah, I love

those guys. Yeah, they were on before. Yes, yes, yep,

they'll be in at ten o'clock and then Gary Lawrence is coming in at

eleven. Cool and lots of lots more people coming up. I have Ricky

Mapleton's coming in some let's see Ray Coast is coming in. Well, he'll

be skyping in. Yeah he won't be I wish would come in. One

way to travel. Tyler all good. Kevin Horn, Yeah, Kevin Horn's

great. Oh yeah, lots of it. If you want to be on

get in touch with me and coffee. No, that's sounded terrible. Yeah,

j E N n C O F f e y dot com. You

can find me there. Yes, and we should remind people too about the

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Our amazing sponsor, and they've got a lot of great stuff. The

hopknot n H, I believe is the website, and they've got some great

events coming up and they're always doing good stuff. Of course. Of course,

don't forget tonight at the Mosaic, our collection starting at seven. Huh

collective. Didn't I say collective? You said collection, I say collection.

Yes, Oh sorry, there is the collection of art, but yes,

it is, it is. It is the Collective of collections at seven doors

at seven. Will start promptly at eight and run until about ten. Yeah,

looking forward to that. Jenny and I will be there. Of course,

we encourage everyone to come down say hello, check it out. It's

a it's a great place. And uh, it was wonderful to meet Nick

and Chloe, and of course I was wonderful to have you on today,

Derek, and look forward to look forward to seeing you there. The first

one. Yeah, the first one's our first guests and the new location,

so very good, very good. All right, so we will wrap up.

We're gonna end with one more song from Abner the Second, who is

going to be playing live tonight, and one more song from the band Regals

as well the other musical artists feature tonight at the Mosaic Art Collective, and

yeah, come on down. It's gonna be a lot of fun. It's

gonna be a great time. And of course, if you missed any part

of today's show, it will be up in just a little bit at w

m n Hradio dot org and you can also get to it on my website

Matt Connorton dot com. And thank you all everyone who joined us today,

everyone who tuned in, and uh wow, I can't believe it. Our

first show in the new studio. This is pretty cool in the yes,

yes, all right, So we're gonna leave you with this. This is

called Ali from Abner the Second to close out this week's Matt Connorton Unleashed and

we'll talk to you all soon. Hi, everybody,

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