Field Dispatch
Matt Connarton Unleashed 1-25-25 hour 3
Game Plan
w/Jenn Coffey, Tuesday Night Whites
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Speaker 8: That is a wolf king of the ba is iron Jaw.
Speaker 8: And before that we heard Barry the Snake to open
Speaker 8: this segment, also Iron Jaw. This is Matt Connerton unleashed.
Speaker 8: And if you are listening live on Saturday, we have
Speaker 8: entered our number three new Marrow trace and thank you
Speaker 8: to everybody who's joined us today so far. Of course,
Speaker 8: in the first hour we had not Lee Crewe Motley
Speaker 8: Crue tribute band. Those guys were so much fun. And
Speaker 8: then of course in the second hour we had Mercury
Speaker 8: Burns first, another great band from the area. So what
Speaker 8: is supposed to be happening in this hour is the
Speaker 8: first half of the hour Iron Jaw. Rick Perry from
Speaker 8: not that Rick Perry, but Rick Perry from Texas is
Speaker 8: supposed to be skyping in to join us. And then
Speaker 8: in the second half of the third hour, we're going
Speaker 8: to be joined by the band Tuesday Night Whites from
Speaker 8: there all the way from the UK across the pond,
Speaker 8: as we say, but are actually there in Scotland, I believe.
Speaker 8: But so they're are going to be joining us, but
Speaker 8: we have not heard so our guests Iron Jaw is
Speaker 8: m i A. We have not heard from Rick Perry.
Speaker 8: We have emails from him and so forth, but so
Speaker 8: he knows he's supposed to be joining us, but something
Speaker 8: may have happened. So perhaps something has happened on his
Speaker 8: end and we'll have to reschedule him. I'll give him
Speaker 8: the benefit of the doubt because those guys have always
Speaker 8: been super professional and so something had to have gone
Speaker 8: wrong for him not to be skyping in. So maybe
Speaker 8: skype isn't working for him, who knows, But so we'll see.
Speaker 8: I mean, maybe we'll hear from him in the next
Speaker 8: couple of minutes. But but yeah, a couple of great
Speaker 8: tracks Bury the Snake he sent us. He was saying
Speaker 8: that apparently Kiss is a band that he grew up loving,
Speaker 8: so that's supposed to be kind of like a kiss song,
Speaker 8: like an early kiss song. I can't hear oh, I
Speaker 8: see why I can't hear you. I had Skype turned
Speaker 8: up because we're waiting for Rick, but had you turned out?
Speaker 8: But yeah, I can imagine, I can imagine Gene Simmons
Speaker 8: singing that song Bury the Snake. Yeah. Yeah. And then
Speaker 8: wolf King is a great track, and so well we'll
Speaker 8: see if we'll see if we hear from him in
Speaker 8: the next few minutes. But anyway, but in the meantime, yes,
Speaker 8: but there is some olymp Biscuit news. We've been talking
Speaker 8: a lot about olymp Biscuit on the show.
Speaker 9: They are pressing forward with their lawsuits, yes, against Universal.
Speaker 8: But they've run into some hurdles, some hiccups. Fred Durstan
Speaker 8: the boys have. Yeah, you sent me this article from
Speaker 8: Digital Music News. Federal judge partially dismisses lymp biscuits two
Speaker 8: hundred million dollar plus UMG lawsuit amended complaint due by
Speaker 8: February third. So if you don't know, lymp Biscuit has
Speaker 8: sued their record label, Universal Music Group for two hundred
Speaker 8: million dollars in unpaid royalties, or, as I like to say,
Speaker 8: a hell of a lot of unpaid royalties. That's a
Speaker 8: lot of money. Two hundred million dollars. Yes, what pay
Speaker 8: the artist? Oh yeah, don't No, apparently not, It says
Speaker 8: here Olympus gets far reaching lawsuit against UMG isn't going
Speaker 8: particularly well. My goodnes, excuse me, I'm still coughing, as
Speaker 8: the presiding judge has dismissed several components of the over
Speaker 8: two hundred million dollar lawsuit. It says the court recently
Speaker 8: made the partial dismissal official after Olympus GET front man
Speaker 8: Fred Durst and his Flawless Records, which is his imprint
Speaker 8: record label, submitted the initial action. In October twenty twenty four.
Speaker 8: We covered the sixty page complaint alleging millions in unpaid
Speaker 8: royalties and seeking to nix the underlying agreements in detail.
Speaker 8: Just to recap Durst hired a new team in April
Speaker 8: twenty twenty four, and they uncovered millions in allegedly missing
Speaker 8: royalty payments, as well as purportedly below board recoupment practices
Speaker 8: across multiple deals, including an interscope Flawless JV. By the way,
Speaker 8: so recoupment for those who don't know, in the music industry,
Speaker 8: when a label signs you and they advance you a
Speaker 8: bunch of money. That's not your money to keep. It's
Speaker 8: not congratulations you're now a millionaire. That money is to
Speaker 8: pay for various things like recording your album and some
Speaker 8: other expenses that the label will incur on your behalf
Speaker 8: in terms of releasing and distributing and promoting your album,
Speaker 8: and that money has to get recouped and that in
Speaker 8: other words, that money has to be paid back to
Speaker 8: the label before you receive any royalties. So it's almost
Speaker 8: like an advance, like, well, it isn't advanced. It's an Yeah,
Speaker 8: the label is advancing you that money, but.
Speaker 9: It's not supposed to be just for you to spend
Speaker 9: on whatever you want.
Speaker 8: Right exactly exactly, So yes, But so according to UMG,
Speaker 8: that money had not been recouped, that advanced money had
Speaker 8: not yet been paid back, so they didn't They were
Speaker 8: saying they didn't know the band any money. Hard to believe.
Speaker 8: They sold like forty five million records, you know, I
Speaker 8: would think that they'd be owed something, but it says here. Consequently,
Speaker 8: owing in part to the timing of the relevant royalty payments,
Speaker 8: the plaintiffs moved to acts all the agreements in question
Speaker 8: and assume ownership of the involved recordings. Unsurprisingly, that didn't
Speaker 8: sit right with Universal Music, which fired back in November
Speaker 8: twenty twenty four with a firmly worded dismissal motion. In short,
Speaker 8: the major label said it hadn't violated the terms of
Speaker 8: the appropriate agreements, which allegedly allowed and do allow for
Speaker 8: cross account recoupments. Running with the point, there definitely hadn't
Speaker 8: been a total failure quote unquote on UMG's part to
Speaker 8: honor the terms of the contracts, including because the multimillion
Speaker 8: dollar advances it had coughed up per the company. Speaking
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Speaker 8: As as a result, Olympus gets pushed to invalidate the
Speaker 8: contracts should be rejected per UMG, which therefore moved to
Speaker 8: dismiss the closely related copyright infringement allegations as well.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 8: Such a tangled web, and as initially highlighted, the presiding
Speaker 8: judge has sided with the defendant label specifically by tossing
Speaker 8: Olympus gets contract recision, copyright infringement and declaratory relief claims.
Speaker 8: So uh yeah, this is going poorly for Olympus at all, No,
Speaker 8: they lost a lot, Yes, but that doesn't mean they
Speaker 8: won't win with their you know, their their claim that
Speaker 8: they're owed money. It just it may not be the
Speaker 8: amount that they're suing for. But we'll see. But you know,
Speaker 8: one of the things that has come up, and uh,
Speaker 8: the there's a YouTuber who I really like, a law
Speaker 8: tuber named top music Attorney. That's the the handle she
Speaker 8: uses on YouTube, who talked about how labels often engage
Speaker 8: in something called spaghetti accounting, where the accounting practices are
Speaker 8: so complex that it's difficult to audit them. It's difficult
Speaker 8: to find out what you're actually owed. And we talked
Speaker 8: to when we talked about this before, how UMG apparently
Speaker 8: creates a portal that you as an artist, if you
Speaker 8: are signed to UMG, you can sign into your portal
Speaker 8: and see exactly where everything stands financially in terms of
Speaker 8: what your owed, financial recruitment, et cetera. But UMG, I mean,
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, Olympus get they were locked out of their portal.
Speaker 8: They must have lost their password or something. It's all
Speaker 8: very it's such as that lockout. What a mess. But
Speaker 8: the other thing too, it's a cautionary tale. You want
Speaker 8: to make sure when you sign, whether you sign with
Speaker 8: a major label, whether you sign a with any label,
Speaker 8: make sure you have an entertainment lawyer, look at that
Speaker 8: agreement with.
Speaker 9: Somebody on your side for certain Yes, the laws really
Speaker 9: do cover the industry more than they do the artist.
Speaker 8: Yes, in a lot of ways. Yes, absolutely, that is
Speaker 8: uh so, that's kind of the update with Olympiscuit. Something
Speaker 8: else that popped up that I thought was interesting. This
Speaker 8: is from Music Business Worldwide dot com. Ten thousand AI
Speaker 8: generated tracks uploaded daily to deezer. If you're not familiar
Speaker 8: with deezer, you can, you know, put files on there.
Speaker 8: You can put podcasts on there too. This show ends
Speaker 8: up on Deezer. I don't even know how it ended
Speaker 8: up there, but it's on there. You can find Mandreton
Speaker 8: Unleashed on Deezer. I'm not even kidding. I don't know how.
Speaker 6: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 8: I really don't. I don't know how it ended up there,
Speaker 8: but it's fine. I want to be everywhere. Yeah, but
Speaker 8: uh but it is filed. Deezer is filed two patents
Speaker 8: for a new AI detection tool so they can detect
Speaker 8: this AI generated content. I don't know how this is
Speaker 8: allwoing to go?
Speaker 9: How how do they do that?
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, apparently they have the technology. It says here.
Speaker 8: France headquartered music streaming service Deezer has launched a new
Speaker 8: AI detection tool after filing two patent applications for the
Speaker 8: technology in December. On January twenty four, this just happened. Yesterday,
Speaker 8: the company revealed that it's new It has new tech
Speaker 8: that is already discovered. That roughly ten thousand fully AI
Speaker 8: generated tracks are being delivered to its platform every day. Wow,
Speaker 8: every day. Wow.
Speaker 9: See now, I'm very much in favor of this software.
Speaker 9: I want to know if it's a human or not.
Speaker 6: I really do want to know.
Speaker 8: Well, apparently so does Deezer. That amounts to about ten
Speaker 8: percent of the daily content delivered to Dezer. Deezer CEO
Speaker 8: Alexis Lenineer, I probably didn't say that correctly, also said
Speaker 8: yesterday the company plans to exclude fully AI generated tracks.
Speaker 8: Quote from algorithmic and editorial recommendation. Generative AI has the
Speaker 8: potential to positively impact music creation and consumption, but its
Speaker 8: use must be guided by responsibility and care in order
Speaker 8: to safeguard the rights and revenues of artists and songwriters unquote.
Speaker 8: The company says it is set out last year to
Speaker 8: develop an AI detection tool that quote surpassed the ability
Speaker 8: of available tools. Tools that are on the market today
Speaker 8: can be highly effective as long as they are trained
Speaker 8: on data sets from specific generative AI models, but the
Speaker 8: detection rate drastically decreases as soon as the tool is
Speaker 8: subjected to a new model or raw data unquote. Aurelian
Speaker 8: Herald Chief innovation Officer A. Deezer said, quote, we have
Speaker 8: addressed this challenge and created a tool that is significantly
Speaker 8: more robust and applicable to modern models unquote. Deezer's new tool,
Speaker 8: on which the company filed for two patents in December,
Speaker 8: can detect artificially created music from a number of generative
Speaker 8: models such as Suno and Udio. Those have both been
Speaker 8: in the news recently, with the possibility to add on
Speaker 8: detection capabilities for practical any practically any other similar tool
Speaker 8: as long as there's access to relevant data. Examples. HM,
Speaker 8: So there's more to this. It gets pretty into the weeds,
Speaker 8: but Deezer is cracking down, and I imagine some other
Speaker 8: platforms will be doing so as well.
Speaker 10: Good.
Speaker 9: We should know the difference.
Speaker 6: I want to know.
Speaker 9: Are I think it matters? M I really do think.
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm not saying that somebody who wants to
Speaker 9: use AI to create something that they can't be creative
Speaker 9: like that, but I do think you should be able
Speaker 9: to know whether or not this is a computer human being.
Speaker 9: As an artist, I want to know, did a human
Speaker 9: pick up that paintbrush? But did's some printer put it out?
Speaker 9: I want to know the difference.
Speaker 8: Yes, I just am skeptical.
Speaker 9: Well you're gonna go plain you're not.
Speaker 8: I'm just I'm just skeptical about these these tools, these
Speaker 8: AI detection tools. I would think especially with with UH,
Speaker 8: you know, electronic music, I would think it would be difficult,
Speaker 8: like em electronic dance music. I would think it would
Speaker 8: be particularly difficult to H to detect certainty. I'm worried.
Speaker 8: What I'm worried about. What I'm worried about. What I'm
Speaker 8: worried about is artists getting UH. I'm worried about this
Speaker 8: going wrong and that legitimate artists end up being tagged
Speaker 8: as being AI generated when their music is not AI generated.
Speaker 8: That's what I'm worried about.
Speaker 9: I get what you're saying, but I think it's I
Speaker 9: think it matters.
Speaker 8: I really do think it.
Speaker 9: Like I said, you can be creative with computers and
Speaker 9: that's fine, but I want to know the difference between
Speaker 9: the two, right, I want to know if that guitar
Speaker 9: is being played by a human or not. And I'm
Speaker 9: wondering if what they're using is really the preciseness, right,
Speaker 9: because computers don't make mistakes. Everything is fun. Humans make
Speaker 9: the mistakes when they program it.
Speaker 8: But that's but see, that's where that's why I'm particularly
Speaker 8: concerned about what I'm worried about happening. I'm particularly concerned
Speaker 8: about that happening with electronic music, where you know you're
Speaker 8: creating everything if you're.
Speaker 9: But if you're playing it on a keyboard or something,
Speaker 9: it's not going to be precisely perfect unless a computer
Speaker 9: is operating it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know. Oh, we'll see what happens. I'm skeptical.
Speaker 9: Well, do you want to know the difference? Do you
Speaker 9: want to know whether or not stun by computer or
Speaker 9: human doesn't matter to you?
Speaker 8: I don't know that it does that much. Really. I mean,
Speaker 8: I want to advocate for artists, but I'm just worried
Speaker 8: about things going wrong. Like I said, I'm worried about artists.
Speaker 8: It happens all the time with content creators. You know,
Speaker 8: content creators who create content and they get tagged by
Speaker 8: YouTube for you know, creating content that for copyright strikes
Speaker 8: yes or so forth that aren't actually valid things like
Speaker 8: that that I get. That I get.
Speaker 9: But I mean, we've seen a lot of artists come
Speaker 9: in here that use electronics and there's a uniqueness to
Speaker 9: them that I don't think that a computer can perfectly.
Speaker 9: They can make it perfect, but they can't make it imperfect.
Speaker 8: Like a human is. Well, we shall see. We'll keep
Speaker 8: an eye on this. It'll be interesting to see where
Speaker 8: this goes.
Speaker 9: And I said that, I'm sitting here thinking, well, yeah,
Speaker 9: but they could program it to make mistakes like a you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so how do you know how we are? Yeah,
Speaker 8: I'm concerned about that. I'm concerned about that.
Speaker 2: Well, let's do this.
Speaker 8: We're gonna play a couple. So we open today's show
Speaker 8: with two radio premieres. We played All the Drugs, the
Speaker 8: brand new track from our friends Naked Without It from
Speaker 8: the UK, their brand new song, so the American radio
Speaker 8: premiere of that, and We also played the brand new
Speaker 8: track from Mike Frasier, who is from Seattle, who's gonna
Speaker 8: be joining us on the show in the future. But
Speaker 8: he's got a brand new track, the world radio premiere
Speaker 8: of April Days. So for those of us just joining
Speaker 8: us in the first hour, those of you rather I've
Speaker 8: been here the whole time, we're gonna play those again.
Speaker 8: We're gonna debut those, and then when we come back,
Speaker 8: we're gonna have the guy I don't know how many
Speaker 8: of them are joining us, but we're gonna have the
Speaker 8: guys from the band Tuesday Night Whites joining us via
Speaker 8: Skype from across the Pond. Yes, and we're gonna play
Speaker 8: We're gonna play a couple of their tracks as well,
Speaker 8: so we played them recently a show on the show.
Speaker 8: We played a track called Runaway, the American radio premiere
Speaker 8: of that. But they've sent us a couple more. What
Speaker 8: a great band those guys are, so so there is
Speaker 8: plenty more to come. But here it is. This is
Speaker 8: from This is from Naked Without It. This track has
Speaker 8: called all the Drugs and you're hearing it for the
Speaker 8: first time in America right here on WMNH.
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Speaker 11: While I was under a sack. She go home round,
Speaker 11: she gone back, She gone, I'm blown, She gone black.
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Speaker 6: Rain is rolling on.
Speaker 12: My heart breaks without a song. The road starts to wind.
Speaker 12: They're funding water so they last. The anti arms are
Speaker 12: coming fast. Will peace get a chance? Who would have known?
Speaker 12: I've been feeling.
Speaker 6: Something is wrong.
Speaker 4: The voice in my head has been here for too long.
Speaker 4: One day I will get.
Speaker 6: To live again.
Speaker 4: Playing in my hospital bed, the.
Speaker 6: Sun shine and all my head.
Speaker 13: The doctor stopped by and said they know what's the Oh,
Speaker 13: I've been feeling, looks something is wrong. The voice in
Speaker 13: my head has been here for too long.
Speaker 2: One day I will get.
Speaker 4: To live again.
Speaker 6: I'm happy to be alive. The worst days are long behind.
Speaker 14: Feelings from all the time I spent in pain. I've
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Speaker 8: My god, what a great what a great track that
Speaker 8: is the Renegade. The band is Tuesday Night Whites and
Speaker 8: we've got via Skype Ollie is here, I believe Olie?
Speaker 8: Are you there?
Speaker 17: Hi?
Speaker 3: You okay?
Speaker 8: Hey, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: How are you doing all right?
Speaker 8: Yes?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 8: How are you all right?
Speaker 17: Well?
Speaker 3: Thank you very well. I've got Jack with me as
Speaker 3: well from the bun.
Speaker 8: Jack is with you. Hello, welcome, how are we hey?
Speaker 4: Guys?
Speaker 8: I love that song, so we played we played recently
Speaker 8: on the show. We did the American radio premiere of
Speaker 8: twenty three which is a great song, and we got
Speaker 8: a lot of positive response to that here people who
Speaker 8: listen to listen to the show here Matt Conderton unleashed,
Speaker 8: and so we're excited to have you on. And then
Speaker 8: I listened to the Renegade and I think I had
Speaker 8: emailed back and said, this is just an epic track.
Speaker 8: It's so so good. So I love what you guys
Speaker 8: are doing.
Speaker 17: Love that.
Speaker 18: Thank you so No, I really really appreciate it giving it.
Speaker 18: It's a little Davey over there. And to play twenty
Speaker 18: three hour brand new one as well. No, it really
Speaker 18: means lots of that.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely no, glad to do it. And we have
Speaker 8: another track from you too that will play. Uh, we'll
Speaker 8: play a little bit later at the end of the segment.
Speaker 8: But how long have you guys been around? How long
Speaker 8: has this band existed? Tuesday Night Whites.
Speaker 18: So it's funnily enough, it started off just myself and
Speaker 18: Jack probably about maybe four or five years ago, and
Speaker 18: we started it just after maybe the COVID COVID nineteen
Speaker 18: times and we've used to play just an acoustic acoustic
Speaker 18: set with Jack on the guitar and myself singing, and
Speaker 18: we we saw we just we just fell in love
Speaker 18: with it. We we just love going out, we love
Speaker 18: playing in you know, like local pubs and clubs, and
Speaker 18: then we decided to pick it up and make it
Speaker 18: a band, probably about three years ago.
Speaker 8: Now, okay, okay, so relatively new in that sense, relatively new. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: And how much music have you guys put out? Do
Speaker 8: you have a full album out or is it? Is
Speaker 8: it just singles at this point? Oh, we're not.
Speaker 18: We're not quite at the album stage yet. Obviously the
Speaker 18: gold for us, definitely, we're all like absolutely music mad.
Speaker 18: A lot of those we've been sort of playing music
Speaker 18: for as long as we can all remember. So at
Speaker 18: the moment, we've got three singles that are officially released,
Speaker 18: but we play a live set full of our own,
Speaker 18: our own songs, so we're hoping to keep releasing them
Speaker 18: throughout the year.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Well, once you've put out so far sounds amazing.
Speaker 8: So I look forward to hearing more from you guys.
Speaker 8: And you know, we do live in a time where
Speaker 8: there's various approaches and strategies you can use as far
Speaker 8: as releasing music. But no, I really I really like
Speaker 8: what I've heard so far. Tell us about the name,
Speaker 8: because people, you know, especially you're in American people are
Speaker 8: going to hear that name and be curious what does
Speaker 8: that mean exactly? Tuesday Night Whites.
Speaker 19: So basically, the name is from our local football team
Speaker 19: over here in Preston, And essentially the band is made
Speaker 19: up of five members, but all five members, we're just
Speaker 19: a group of mates as well outside of the band,
Speaker 19: and we all support over here the local football team Preston.
Speaker 17: So it's like a it's a common interest in something
Speaker 17: that we share together.
Speaker 19: And one of the nicknames of the club, of the
Speaker 19: football club is is Tuesday Night Whites. So because it's
Speaker 19: a common interest that we share, it's something that we
Speaker 19: can all relate to and something that unanimously brings us together.
Speaker 19: So we thought it's absolutely perfect to use it as
Speaker 19: the band name.
Speaker 8: Why now, why why are they? Why is that a
Speaker 8: nickname for the team? I mean the do they only
Speaker 8: play on Tuesdays? And what is are Do they have
Speaker 8: white uniforms? Like, I'm just really curious about the name.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, So so.
Speaker 19: Our home kit, our home shirt is white, the color
Speaker 19: is white, and we do play usually play on Saturdays,
Speaker 19: but clusters.
Speaker 17: There's a lot of fixtures and a lot of games
Speaker 17: to be played.
Speaker 19: Quite often. There is a lot of games on a
Speaker 19: Tuesday night as well to fit them all in. Okay,
Speaker 19: so we all we all go in the game together,
Speaker 19: we go to the pub before the game together.
Speaker 17: So it's just a shared interest that we all have
Speaker 17: and that we can all relate to.
Speaker 8: Okay, Okay makes sense. I'm curious too about influences because
Speaker 8: the songs that you guys write, you know, there's a
Speaker 8: there's a real especially a song like the Renegade, there's
Speaker 8: a real sophistication there, but it's all so very very catchy.
Speaker 8: It's it's so accessible. Kind of reminds me a little
Speaker 8: bit of Oasis, but but only a little bit. I'm
Speaker 8: curious to hear about what what kind of influences going
Speaker 8: to the band and your music.
Speaker 18: Yeah, So I mean, like like I said previously, we're
Speaker 18: all like music mad, and we all we all spend
Speaker 18: like most of our time, even on the footballer going
Speaker 18: to live gigs, and I myself personally, I just since
Speaker 18: I went when I was like a young kid, I
Speaker 18: really fell in love with music.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think Oasis definitely a huge, huge influence.
Speaker 18: On us all a lot of like No Gallagher's solo
Speaker 18: stuff as well, But then there's a lot more like
Speaker 18: sort of more modernish fans that are touring nowadays that
Speaker 18: like said, we we will go on a weekend and
Speaker 18: we'll sort of like really.
Speaker 3: Analyze you know, the live set and the sound and.
Speaker 18: Lyrics, and we'll sort of take the best bits and
Speaker 18: see if we can work that into our own stuff.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, have you guys, are you getting any traction
Speaker 8: at radio where you are? Because like I said, I
Speaker 8: mean these songs are very very accessible. I can definitely
Speaker 8: imagine them on the radio.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 18: We I mean, like I said, we our with our
Speaker 18: recent release twenty three. We had quite a big sort
Speaker 18: of marketing strategy behind that one. There's a there's a
Speaker 18: radio station based in Manchester which is called Radio X
Speaker 18: and then there's also one called Excess Manchester, which are
Speaker 18: two quite popular ones around that area. Yeah, and they
Speaker 18: gave us our debut play on those as well, So
Speaker 18: that was that was really cool.
Speaker 3: Good for us.
Speaker 8: So I have to tell you something funny too, just
Speaker 8: one of these synchronicities that happen, So you know how
Speaker 8: in twenty three. It's kind of toward the end of it.
Speaker 8: It might be coming out of the solo. There's the
Speaker 8: part with the bus station. It sounds like somebody's buying
Speaker 8: a bus ticket. Yeah, so we happened to When we
Speaker 8: played that song on the show, Jenny and I had
Speaker 8: just had an off air conversation with a guest about
Speaker 8: how where we are here at WM and H and Manchester,
Speaker 8: New Hampshire. Of course we're actually in a building that
Speaker 8: used to be a bus station, swear to God. And
Speaker 8: and in fact, if you look on Google for where
Speaker 8: to buy bus tickets around here, this building still comes up,
Speaker 8: which is why we have to keep the door locked.
Speaker 8: Some people don't wonder and trying to buy bus tickets.
Speaker 8: But we were explaining that. We happen to be explaining
Speaker 8: that to somebody who was a guest on the show.
Speaker 2: And uh.
Speaker 8: And then so we play that song and the I
Speaker 8: forget who it was. I forget who the guest was,
Speaker 8: but they noticed it before we did. Whoever was on
Speaker 8: was like, oh, I think it was Gracie. Actually she said, hey,
Speaker 8: I just heard a thing for a it sounds like
Speaker 8: somebody selling bus tickets. It was just so it was
Speaker 8: so weird. It was just like like I said, it
Speaker 8: was one of those odd synchronicities that can happen.
Speaker 3: But and maybe maybe it was it was made for
Speaker 3: that radio station then that that may.
Speaker 8: Very well be. It may have been faith, it may
Speaker 8: have been fath. What's the scene there as far as
Speaker 8: live shows, Are you guys able to play out a lot?
Speaker 8: Are there are a lot of places to play?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 18: We I mean we, like I said, we're from Preston.
Speaker 18: We're all based in Preston around the Northwest. We're so
Speaker 18: close to to sort of the biggest cities like Manchester
Speaker 18: and Liverpool, Leeds newcastleant too far away. So for us,
Speaker 18: we've had quite a good success in the Northwest and
Speaker 18: we've built up.
Speaker 3: A lot of like a really good fan base around here.
Speaker 18: So it's been really good to play obviously impress in
Speaker 18: our hometown, but just maybe slightly out in Manchester Liverpool
Speaker 18: as well.
Speaker 8: Yeah, are these venues are they really receptive to original music?
Speaker 8: Because I know, you know some places you know they
Speaker 8: want to hear covers or whatever. But are you guys
Speaker 8: able to play a lot of shows where you can
Speaker 8: just focus on your original music and people are receptive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, well, I mean we started out, and
Speaker 3: I think it's maybe just sort of a part of
Speaker 3: the trade.
Speaker 18: When you first start out, you do have to sort
Speaker 18: of go into places where they want a few more
Speaker 18: covers and stuff. But I think just getting getting your
Speaker 18: name out there and getting live experience is obviously fantastic
Speaker 18: for us. But yeah, and more recently, especially like last year,
Speaker 18: we were so lucky to get in some really great
Speaker 18: venues that are literally born and bred music venues, and
Speaker 18: they love original stuff, they love bands, they love live music.
Speaker 18: So yeah, it was really good last year to get
Speaker 18: out there and just play our own stuff, which we
Speaker 18: we love doing. We don't mind a cheeky cover here
Speaker 18: and there, but playing your own stuff, there's nothing beat
Speaker 18: to that at all.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Absolutely, Have you guys made any videos yet?
Speaker 3: Not full length music videos.
Speaker 18: No, we try a little bit like social media, but
Speaker 18: I mean, if you look into the statistics now, it's
Speaker 18: all short and sweet videos.
Speaker 3: So we've done a few of those, but nothing full length. Yeah.
Speaker 8: I was just curious because I can imagine, especially a
Speaker 8: song like twenty three. I don't know, it just seems
Speaker 8: like it would really lend itself to to to some
Speaker 8: sort of a video. But but obviously you know, but
Speaker 8: you guys have it, you know, things covered as far
Speaker 8: as social media and whatnot, which is so so incredibly important.
Speaker 8: And yeah, do you have do you have I'm sure
Speaker 8: you don't have any immediate plans, but you know, do
Speaker 8: you kind of long term do you think about maybe
Speaker 8: getting you know, getting New America to play? I think
Speaker 8: I think you'd go over really well here, I really do.
Speaker 17: One hundred percent.
Speaker 19: We're just we're just, at the end of the day,
Speaker 19: a group of five mates that love playing music.
Speaker 17: So where everyone wants to hear us, one hundred percent
Speaker 17: we'll be there.
Speaker 19: So yeah, the most we're just focusing on getting out
Speaker 19: of our hometown area Northwest and then this year in
Speaker 19: twenty twenty five, we're going all over the UK up
Speaker 19: to Glasgow and Edinburgh, down to London, so who knows
Speaker 19: in the future out to Europe and then across the
Speaker 19: pond over to America.
Speaker 17: That would be unbelievable.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, no, that would be fantastic. How do you
Speaker 8: how do you guys record? There's so many different options
Speaker 8: now for how you record, but everything that I've heard
Speaker 8: so far it sounds like it's done in a million
Speaker 8: dollar studio, but I know that's that's I know that's
Speaker 8: not always the case. What is your approach to recording?
Speaker 19: And so we have a good friend of ours called
Speaker 19: Tom Hale, and his profession, his job is actually to
Speaker 19: work in a voiceover gallery, so he's he also does
Speaker 19: obviously bands and recording and mixes and masters. But we
Speaker 19: met him very early on in the band, and so
Speaker 19: we just get a demo together, something that we put
Speaker 19: together in his fair bedroom and then get a rough
Speaker 19: guide track, take it to him. We go into a
Speaker 19: studio and it's about probably about half an hour drive
Speaker 19: from where we live, and then Tom does. Tom does
Speaker 19: the rest and works his magic and it makes it
Speaker 19: sound as good as it is. So it's a it's
Speaker 19: a lot of credit to Tom and his skills and
Speaker 19: his hard work and the time and effort that he
Speaker 19: puts into it.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 8: No, he does a great job. Everything sounds great. I
Speaker 8: imagine he's probably worked with some some pretty big artists,
Speaker 8: I would I would guess it sounds like.
Speaker 19: Yeah, No, he's a he's a he's very big in
Speaker 19: the local area where we are. Bands that we performed
Speaker 19: with that we know that we go and see. He
Speaker 19: does work with a lot of them as well as
Speaker 19: live sound engineering at gigs as well.
Speaker 17: So he is like around our area, he is the
Speaker 17: man to go to.
Speaker 8: Yeah, as excellent, excellent. How did you How did you
Speaker 8: come to work with him?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 8: Was it because he sounds like a very busy guy.
Speaker 8: Was it challenging to connect with him or did it happen?
Speaker 8: Did it come together pretty easily?
Speaker 3: You know what? I think?
Speaker 18: I think he's he is such a littly guy that
Speaker 18: he always has quite a little a little spot for
Speaker 18: anyone from his sort of hometown that he can help out.
Speaker 3: Good for the first conversation we have with him, he
Speaker 3: he it was at a festival in Preston.
Speaker 18: It was a day festival and he was there and
Speaker 18: we were outside in the big garden and we just
Speaker 18: got chatting to him and then just sort of said,
Speaker 18: you know, if there's.
Speaker 3: Any possibility we could we could do some work of him.
Speaker 17: And he was really up for it.
Speaker 18: And then yeah, a few months later we got booked
Speaker 18: him with him and started the process.
Speaker 8: Oh that's really cool. Good, good, you plan to continue
Speaker 8: to work with him in the future, I assume, Oh?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, if You'll have it was definitely.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, very cool, very cool, I think in a moment,
Speaker 8: so I want to play you know, we've played twenty
Speaker 8: three on the show before obviously, and we just played
Speaker 8: the Renegade, I think too at the end of our conversation,
Speaker 8: I'd like to play Lost Control, another really really cool song.
Speaker 8: I love that one. Everything I've listened to that you
Speaker 8: guys have put out so far, I think is uh,
Speaker 8: it's just been amazing. But but for people who are
Speaker 8: listening who want to know where to keep up with
Speaker 8: you guys online, where to keep up with all the
Speaker 8: new music and and and people we might have listening
Speaker 8: in your area, because you know, obviously you can get
Speaker 8: access to the show from anywhere in the world. People
Speaker 8: who want to maybe get to a live show. Where
Speaker 8: should people go online to keep up with everything Tuesday
Speaker 8: Night Whites is doing.
Speaker 18: Yeah, So we we try and we try and keep
Speaker 18: all of our social media up to date as possible,
Speaker 18: and I think maybe Instagram and Facebook if you can
Speaker 18: find us on there, and those would be the key
Speaker 18: ones for us. We do a little bit on TikTok
Speaker 18: with some videos and stuff as well, but of course
Speaker 18: we've released on Spotify, Apple Music and all that kind
Speaker 18: of stuff. But yeah, if you want to give us
Speaker 18: a follow on Instagram or Facebook, it's t NW official underscore.
Speaker 8: All right, very good, very good, that's easy. Yeah, you
Speaker 8: guys are very very googleable, as I to say, absolutely so. Yeah,
Speaker 8: so we'll let you go. In a second, we'll play
Speaker 8: this track, Lost Control. But thank you both so much.
Speaker 8: Ali and Jack from Tuesday Night Whites. Let's do this
Speaker 8: again in the future, because obviously you're gonna keep releasing
Speaker 8: new music and we'll keep playing it here. We love
Speaker 8: what you guys are doing. But thank you. We'll let
Speaker 8: you go. But thank you guys both so much for
Speaker 8: joining us today.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, and thank you for playing the tracks.
Speaker 3: You really really appreciate it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, great night, Absolutely you too. All right, thanks guys,
Speaker 8: take care, all right, bye bye. All right. That was
Speaker 8: Jack and Allie from the band Tuesday Night Whites. Let's
Speaker 8: play this track. This will be another American radio premiere.
Speaker 8: This hasn't been heard anywhere in the US. This is
Speaker 8: called Lost Control. We're gonna give this a spin and
Speaker 8: then Jenny and I we'll come back and finish up
Speaker 8: for today. But check this out. Lost Control. The band
Speaker 8: is Tuesday Night Whites.
Speaker 2: He's com okay, it's so bad.
Speaker 4: He's got the Dreamers the series, but no controller.
Speaker 1: And see there's the Knight.
Speaker 2: He's lost control the Moon. The three spiritcals got one
Speaker 2: thing on his mind.
Speaker 4: So now the Dreamer is alive and as he has
Speaker 4: the Knight.
Speaker 20: And he lost controlful, he lost control, he lost control
Speaker 20: and he loves Controul.
Speaker 4: The cancer, I said, set he is not strong with.
Speaker 1: No cares or back and this he hass the Knight
Speaker 1: and he lost.
Speaker 20: Control very plays conceded, relieve the under the night.
Speaker 2: He lost control, he lost control, was lost controul and
Speaker 2: he lost control.
Speaker 6: Sol mh.
Speaker 14: S it's.
Speaker 3: This.
Speaker 6: But his sound is a.
Speaker 4: Longest boy sound is the longest.
Speaker 2: So scouts a Knight, so Scouts and Knights, he says,
Speaker 2: sound is a lot sound.
Speaker 8: Those guys have such a great sound. I love them.
Speaker 8: I love them. Tuesday Night Whites is the name of
Speaker 8: the band that is called Lost Control. Thank you again
Speaker 8: to Ali and Jack for joining us today on the show,
Speaker 8: skyping in from one another. One of those intercontinental calls.
Speaker 8: But that was that was fantastic, and we're gonna play.
Speaker 8: We're actually we talked about it during our interview. We'll
Speaker 8: play it again at the end of the show today
Speaker 8: twenty three, which is the first single from the band
Speaker 8: that we debuted here on the show on American Radio.
Speaker 8: Uh so, always very happy to do that, Jenny, before
Speaker 8: we go, you've been very busy. Of course we should
Speaker 8: plug your website and where people should go to keep
Speaker 8: up with everything you're doing.
Speaker 9: I know I have a lot to catch up on
Speaker 9: on my website at Jencoffee dot com j E N
Speaker 9: n c O f f ui dot com. You can
Speaker 9: keep up with my activism there.
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, yes, you've been You've been very busy. Yes,
Speaker 8: oh we should mention too. This past week we were
Speaker 8: at On Tuesday night, we were at Terminus Underground. That
Speaker 8: was so much fun at New Hampshire Underground of course
Speaker 8: grand reopening. Yep, Eleanor and Andre doing great things there
Speaker 8: and we finally met Simba yes Simsyre on the Facebook,
Speaker 8: so that was very cool.
Speaker 9: Space in Nashaulla. Definitely encourage people to check it out.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 9: You can utilize the space there as an artist. They
Speaker 9: even have a practice room that where bands can come
Speaker 9: in and utilize if they don't you know, necessarily have
Speaker 9: the ability to rent a room for themselves to have
Speaker 9: all to themselves all the time. They actually have a
Speaker 9: space that you can come in and utilize.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, and you even have a set set up
Speaker 8: in it. And we got to watch Quincy Lord oh
Speaker 8: yeap do an amazing set, and then Jesse Rutstein, who
Speaker 8: is also going to be coming on the show soon.
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, we will be seeing them in the future.
Speaker 9: Excellent artist, amazing sound. Yeah, just really enjoyed. The entire
Speaker 9: event was wonderful. We saw Manchester Inclink was there. I
Speaker 9: believe it's an article Yep, that was a great article
Speaker 9: of course from the Manchester Inclink. You should check them
Speaker 9: out for certain. They cover a lot of great New
Speaker 9: Mpshire news, not just limited to us.
Speaker 8: I think there's something in the Hippo too, I think
Speaker 8: you're right, was something.
Speaker 9: Yeah, And of course that's the home of Dead Harrison. Yes,
Speaker 9: another great band that we've had on the show before.
Speaker 9: We look forward to when they come back.
Speaker 8: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 9: It was all in all an absolutely amazing place. They
Speaker 9: even have a gallery area where they highlight local artists
Speaker 9: and they do change that artwork out on a regular basis.
Speaker 9: If you'd like to be highlighted. They should definitely check
Speaker 9: out the New Hampshire Underground. They're on Facebook and all
Speaker 9: the other socials do yes, they are everywhere, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 9: so definitely check that out. And then, of course our
Speaker 9: other lovely place we love is the Mosaic Art Collective.
Speaker 9: They have a new show coming up soon. The deadline
Speaker 9: was yesterday to enter, so this weekend they'll be announcing
Speaker 9: those who have made it into the Show of Illusions,
Speaker 9: which is going to be all about three D effects
Speaker 9: and things that maybe look a little different or below
Speaker 9: in the dark black light. I'm looking forward to seeing
Speaker 9: how that show goes. And then the next show that's
Speaker 9: coming up you want to think of it is a
Speaker 9: kinetics show where people are going to be doing interesting art.
Speaker 9: I've actually been trying to bug Miriam into remaking one
Speaker 9: of her really creative pieces she did of puddles. Yeah,
Speaker 9: and I think it would be an excellent, excellent submission
Speaker 9: for the Mosaic Are Collective, so definitely check them out
Speaker 9: as well. Located right here in the Queen City.
Speaker 8: Yes, absolutely, well, thank you everyone who joined us today.
Speaker 8: Of course, we had a Nottley crue in the first
Speaker 8: hour of the Great Motley Crue tribute band, and in
Speaker 8: the second hour we had Mercury Burns first, and of
Speaker 8: course Tuesday Night Whites in the third hour, and not
Speaker 8: sure what happened Iron Jaw, but hopefully everything's okay. Well,
Speaker 8: hopefully everything's okay because I really like them. But so
Speaker 8: if you miss any part of today's show, it will
Speaker 8: be up in just a little bit at wm andhradio
Speaker 8: dot org and on my website Matt Connorton dot com. Also,
Speaker 8: if you missed yesterday's granted state of Mind, oh god, yeah,
Speaker 8: John Hopwood was there. He was there for the full hour.
Speaker 8: I so missed that.
Speaker 2: Laugh.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I loved listening to listening last night hearing
Speaker 9: him laugh. I missed you happy And then Texas Mike
Speaker 9: and I joined the show halfway through. Ye, so that
Speaker 9: is of course up at wmnhradio dot org, and of
Speaker 9: course then John Hopwood joined us on as well as
Speaker 9: Texas Mic for Retro Spectrum Radio.
Speaker 8: Well on the.
Speaker 9: Evening here at WMNH. That was so much fun. Miriam
Speaker 9: and I were actually enjoying being creative listening to you folks.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I worked on a painting and she was doing some.
Speaker 8: Oregami. Thank you.
Speaker 9: The word for some reason was being replaced with macromay.
Speaker 8: Okay, and that's not right. No, that's what you do,
Speaker 8: that's what I do, all right.
Speaker 9: No, we had fun.
Speaker 8: It was a good evening, very good, very good. So
Speaker 8: thank you everybody, and we're gonna close today's show out
Speaker 8: with one more track from Tuesday Night Whites. This is
Speaker 8: the first single that we premiered on the show. And
Speaker 8: this listen carefully, you'll hear the bus station in it.
Speaker 8: This is called twenty three. And we'll close out with
Speaker 8: this and we'll talk to y'all a little bit later.
Speaker 8: Bye everybody, Bye bye jee.
Speaker 16: Then sound blue lights, flashboo.
Speaker 4: It will never be found.
Speaker 16: The song just pattish line, drum, sound yeah, and make
Speaker 16: some memories to forget in the morning.
Speaker 4: And it feels like everything changes.
Speaker 16: But the people around you keep a smile on the
Speaker 16: face in case I'm telling you yeah, I'm selling yeah,
Speaker 16: I'm selling you really, So.
Speaker 4: Let's say it down and you can sell it. Sounds
Speaker 4: it's some one new.
Speaker 2: Song.
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Speaker 2: Big boar focuses the one.
Speaker 4: A Lacies and dream.
Speaker 2: Created hearing me anything.
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Speaker 20: preep places the one a face and dreams be created,
Speaker 20: te hearing me anything, Let's go back.
Speaker 2: In the.
Speaker 16: Sime Li hundred miles so the rise where the sun
Speaker 16: shining down on me and you can't seem to hide
Speaker 16: that smiles if we tell you your storby.
Speaker 4: Or suit, and it feels like everything changes. But we've
Speaker 4: had that before.
Speaker 10: So while we prot through the paces.
Speaker 3: Yeah I'm selling you. Yeah, I'm selling you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm selling you.
Speaker 2: So say down and you can sell it.
Speaker 7: Sound so woome you out.
Speaker 4: From the twenty things.
Speaker 2: Nice is the people, the places, the world.
Speaker 20: Basis credated, hearth anything right splices the people, the places,
Speaker 20: the god that faces and teams with the cat to check,
Speaker 20: telling me, let's go backing.
Speaker 4: I was singing a song that will bring you a
Speaker 4: lung snight.
Speaker 15: That cavin little world time has catch that the evening
Speaker 15: right because it's ten past five on a freezing winter's night,
Speaker 15: but with a smiling of faces.
Speaker 2: Were dancing. So the sunrice, that's what dancing.
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Speaker 7: nineteen and ten.
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