Matt Connarton Unleashed 10-10-26

0:03 Speaker 1: You're listening to Matt Connerton Unleashed.

0:08 Speaker 2: On WMNH 95.3.

0:17 Speaker 3: Right now on Matt Connerton Unleashed, we have the world radio premiere of the new single from Awaiting Abigail. This is called Backstabber.

0:28 Speaker 1: You are listening to WMNH 95.3.

0:32 Speaker 2: World premiere.

0:42 Speaker 4: I thought.

0:49 Speaker 5: I knew, knew better than that. Give me what you want.

0:53 Speaker 6: Don't say I didn't.

0:55 Speaker 5: First time I think, oh, you act different.

1:00 Speaker 7: I thought I.

1:01 Speaker 8: Knew you better than that But your smile and my face talk.

1:05 Speaker 9: Behind your back Gave you.

1:07 Speaker 8: What you wanted, say I didn't First time I seen all you acting friends Dead end Going back on what you used to.

1:13 Speaker 10: Say then Heard you call me what you used to call them I don't really understand the problem You're the problem Foolish of me, I used to trust you.

1:30 Speaker 11: Wish I knew then, you've got issues. Knife behind your back, guess I was blind. Secretly jealous of.

1:38 Speaker 7: Me the whole time.

1:40 Speaker 12: Your two-face needs to get your story straight. I got the screenshot, but you won't see it in my face. When you see me, it's a different energy.

1:49 Speaker 5: Try to test me.

1:50 Speaker 13: Energy!

1:52 Speaker 7: I thought I.

1:53 Speaker 8: Knew, knew better than that But you smiled in my face, talked behind my back Gave you what you wanted.

2:01 Speaker 3: Say I didn't First time I seen girl.

2:03 Speaker 9: You act different I thought.

2:06 Speaker 5: I knew, knew better.

2:07 Speaker 8: Than that But you smiled in my face, talked behind my back Gave you what you wanted, say I didn't First time I seen girl you act different.

2:18 Speaker 6: Dead And going back on what she.

2:21 Speaker 10: Used to say Then heard you call me what you used to call them I don't really understand the.

2:28 Speaker 14: Problem You're the problem.

2:33 Speaker 15: Didn't think I'd hear What you.

2:40 Speaker 5: Did my own.

3:18 Speaker 13: I don't really understand the problem, you're the problem I thought I knew, knew you better.

3:25 Speaker 8: Than them But you smiled in my face, talked behind my back Gave you what you wanted, said I didn't First time I seen you, you act different I thought I knew, knew you better than them But you smiled in my face, talked.

3:41 Speaker 9: Behind my back.

3:50 Speaker 3: I love that. That is Backstabber by Awaiting Abigail. That is brand new. You heard it here first, the world radio premiere. First time that's been played on FM radio in the United States. Great band from Texas. Had a chance to see them live and meet them. When was that? What was it? Late winter, early spring? Hopefully they'll come around again sometime, but I know they tour a lot. They've been very busy and making new music, obviously, and we do love them so. So thank you again to James for sending us that, of course, from the band.

4:20 Speaker 3: And we will play that again later in the show. So if you missed it or if you came in at the tail end of it and you said, oh, that's catchy, I'd like to hear more of that. You will hear it again later because we are on for three hours on Saturday morning. But welcome, everybody. Here we go. Matt Connerton Unleashed. And we are live from the studios of WMNH 95.3 FM. in glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. Of course, you can stream the show from anywhere. Go to mattconnertonunleashed.com and click Listen Live, and that gets you the live stream.

4:51 Speaker 3: And, of course, you can stream the show on various social media platforms, etc., etc. You can also go to mattconnerton.com slash unleashed. for all that information. So there are many different ways to enjoy the program. So very happy to have you all with us today. We have an exciting show coming up in just a few minutes. The members of Then Comes Silence are going to be joining us. They are from Stockholm, so hopefully they don't have any problem connecting. You know, you never know with the transcontinental calls.

5:23 Speaker 3: No, but, uh, technology, uh, more often than not, uh, does come through for us. So, uh, so they should be joining us, uh, in just a few minutes.

5:33 Speaker 16: Let's see.

5:33 Speaker 3: Uh, we also have Mick Butler, uh, AKA sickie, uh, who will be joining us remotely as well. And then in the third hour we have, uh, uh, Dwayne Seagraves, I was trying to remember his last name, because I almost said Seagrams, but it's Seagraves, from Stevenson Ranch Davidians. I do love that name. Uh, he'll be with us, uh, in the first half of the third hour. And then in the second half of the third hour, we will be joined by Charles Richardson because tonight is the money in the bank, uh, WWE premium live event almost said pay-per-view, but we don't call them that anymore.

6:11 Speaker 3: I haven't called them that in a long time. But Money in the Bank, one of the big WWE premium live events, is going to be this evening. And so, you know, for you wrestling fans, especially if you're a fan of Mr. Iguana, I know that one of the other hosts here at WMNH loves Mr.

6:27 Speaker 16: Iguana.

6:29 Speaker 3: I don't think that he'll be coming up in the conversation specifically, but that will be in the second half of the third hour. Okay, did you get all that? So Charles Richardson from The Charles Richardson Show will be joining us. While we're on the subject, if you are listening live on Saturday, tonight, immediately after the Money in the Bank event, Eric Pilcher and I, and we didn't really announce this ahead of time, but surprise, well, I'm announcing it now ahead of time, but it is the return of the Tough Bumps podcast.

7:00 Speaker 3: We will be live streaming tonight right after the Money in the Bank premium live event. So if you go to the IPM Nation YouTube channel, best place to find it, you'll find the live stream there and it'll be on my Facebook and various social media platforms as well, Twitch and so forth. But best places, go to the IPM Nation YouTube channel. But we will be streaming live tonight, Eric Filter and I, right after the event.

7:25 Speaker 16: Let's see.

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8:41 Speaker 3: They keep us going. But right now, we're going to play this track. This is the single from Then Comes Silence. I really like this project a lot. I like their sound. This is cool. This is called Remaker Redeemer. And then on the other side of this, we'll be talking with the members of Then Come Silence.

8:58 Speaker 17: Check this out.

9:44 Speaker 9: We close our eyes for the last time.

9:51 Speaker 4: Our reward awaits in the end.

9:54 Speaker 5: Another Redeemer.

11:09 Speaker 7: In the sky and then we die our hearts have joined.

11:18 Speaker 4: A thousand.

11:23 Speaker 9: We take a step into the night.

11:31 Speaker 4: Opening our eyes.

11:32 Speaker 9: Things are new.

11:59 Speaker 18: Redeemer.

12:52 Speaker 3: I do love that. That is Remaker Redeemer. The band is Then Come Silence. They are from Stockholm. And we are going to play one more track from them right now. We're going to play another song called Judgment Day. This is another great song.

13:13 Speaker 4: Thank you.

13:45 Speaker 7: We built early from the judgment.

13:48 Speaker 14: Day Avoided being caught in the rain Made a deal for someone else.

13:55 Speaker 7: To pay We knew we'd never, ever be free From.

14:02 Speaker 19: The sins and the choices we made We'd be the first to go.

14:09 Speaker 9: We'd be the first to.

14:13 Speaker 7: Go The things we were told.

14:29 Speaker 8: To do Stayed.

14:30 Speaker 20: Away, far away Lived our dreams without regret.

14:39 Speaker 7: We knew we'd never ever be free From the sins and the choices we made We'll be the first to go Senses streaming through the sleep.

16:35 Speaker 9: We don't need to wake up sooner. There's a party somewhere deep in the dreams. Putting all on the line.

16:50 Speaker 20: We only had so long.

16:56 Speaker 21: Wow.

17:26 Speaker 22: Before we go into their flames, this one's our man goes into the dark.

17:35 Speaker 9: Putting all on the line, we only have so long.

17:41 Speaker 4: Wanna fight for.

17:44 Speaker 9: More time, we only have so long.

18:29 Speaker 3: Oh, that is good stuff. That is Then Comes Silence. That track is called Boxed. But we will do some music industry news because I saw something that caught my attention. But when I tell you why this caught my attention, you'll see, you'll understand. Okay, let me preface this by saying, I'm not a gamer. Uh, and the reason I'm not a gamer is because I find it too psychologically addictive. And I've told the story on the air before. If you're a long time listener, you might've heard me tell this about how many, many years ago I was playing a game.

19:01 Speaker 3: It was the last time I ever played a video game. I was playing one of those raw versus SmackDown wrestling games and I got really into it. I was at a friend's house and we started playing this game together. I think it was like 10 PM and you know, Eventually, my friend fell asleep on the couch and I'm still awake, still playing the game. And it gets to be 2 a.m. I'm looking at the clock and realizing I've just spent four hours straight just playing this game. And it was 2 a.m. and I did have to be up early and I had other things I could have been doing.

19:34 Speaker 3: So I got to a point where I said, you know what, this is because I'd fallen into that thing of, you know, just one more game, just one more game, which is addict behavior, right? So I decided, I made a personal decision in that moment. I put down that control. and I never played another video game. That was it for me. Never played another video game. I said, it's just too psychologically addictive for me. I know that some people think that psychological addiction isn't real, that addiction can only be physical, chemical, that you can only be addicted to substances but not become psychologically addicted.

20:09 Speaker 3: You absolutely can be. And video games are a great example of how that can happen. I played a lot of video games, too, when I was a kid. Probably no more than the average kid. But yeah, so that was the end of my time as a gamer. Now, I have played GTA, Grand Theft Auto, again, before I decided I was never picking up another game controller. I used to play that with friends a little bit. Never really got hooked on it, though. Because my approach to playing, and I think this is probably true for a lot of people, my approach when I would play Grand Theft Auto was I wasn't really trying to accomplish anything.

20:44 Speaker 3: I'm just driving around in the game, just seeing what happens, seeing what crazy stuff happens, running people over, whatever. You know, not really trying, but just kind of having fun with it and goofing off. So I never got invested in it. Thank goodness. Because again, you know, it's a psychological addiction, or it can be. But one of the cool things about Grand Theft Auto is as you're driving around, songs come on the radio or different stations. You can listen to different stations as you're driving, and that's kind of fun.

21:14 Speaker 3: It's a fun feature of Grand Theft Auto. And then I saw this pop up on digitalmusicnews.com, GTA, what is it, VI, what is that, 6? GTA 6? I'm not good at my Roman numerals. That must be six, right? Because just V is five. V-I, that must be six. GTA 6 radio stations will feature hosts Bad Bunny, Burna Boy, Slayer, Trina, Robin, Lana Del Rey, and even Lana's husband. So the reason that that caught my eye is because, and if you're a longtime, this is something only longtime committed fans listeners to this program would know.

22:01 Speaker 3: But just like in Grand Theft Auto, and what I'm about to tell you, by the way, or if you don't know this, this is 100% true and verifiable. This is not a bit used to do when we were on in afternoons. The show is a little different, used to do a lot of bits. You know, you were never quite sure if you were a listener what was real and what was, you know, kind of embellished for the radio. Used to do a lot of that. We don't do that here anymore in the mornings on Saturdays. But I say all that to say, this is completely real.

22:31 Speaker 3: This isn't me doing a bit. This is completely real. Because sometimes when I tell people this, they don't believe me. But this show, Matt Connerton Unleashed, just like in Grand Theft Auto, where you have the different radio stations, different programming you can listen to while you drive around running people over or whatever you're doing in GTA, this show is actually in a video game. And the video game is called, and again, this is all 100% true, the video game is called Retired Men's Nude Beach Volleyball League.

22:59 Speaker 3: So this might sound familiar to people who've been with me for a long time, who are long-time listeners, but back in 2021, I think, it's obviously a very, I guess you'd call it an alternative game, right? It's certainly not a mainstream game, but you can find it. It is available on Steam.com. Retired Men's Nude Beach Volleyball League. And in the game, you know, you drive around the country and participate in different, well, different games of retired nude men's beach volleyball. And apparently as you drive into New Hampshire, I guess what comes on the radio?

23:42 Speaker 3: My show. Um, the makers of the game, they didn't even, it was a total surprise. Uh, they were fans of the show and they told me afterward after it was already out. So they never got my permission to, you know, use anything of mine, but that's fine. I honestly didn't care. I was so flattered and I just think it's the coolest thing in the world. So, and it is, uh, because I think it's the coolest thing in the world. I like talking about it and it's been a very long time since I've had an excuse to bring it up.

24:09 Speaker 16: But there you go.

24:09 Speaker 3: Yes, this show isn't a video game. We're not in Grand Theft Auto, but we are in the next best thing. Retired Men's Nude Beach Volleyball League. And that is a real... Everything I've told you is true. That's a real game. It is on Steam. You can get it. Yep, it's still available. I'm looking at it right now. It's only $ 6. 99. Yeah, it's cheap.

24:37 Speaker 23: But.

24:38 Speaker 3: You should get it and enjoy it. And enjoy when you drive into New Hampshire, my show comes on the radio. All right. Now, let's go back. Again, this has become a big thing in the music industry. Having your music in a Grand Theft Auto game is a big deal. It says here, and again, this is from digitalmusicnews.com. Ahead of the much-anticipated release of the latest Grand Theft Auto game, Rockstar Games reveals that the in-game radio stations will feature some serious talent on hosting duty. Rockstar Games' highly-anticipated new entry in the Grand Theft Auto franchise, Grand Theft Auto 6, again, I assume it's 6, is due for release on November 19.

25:19 Speaker 3: In the lead-up to that date, information continues to trickle in, including details about about the in-game radio stations, a fan-favorite aspect of the series. Now details have emerged about the respective DJs who will host those radio stations, and Rockstar has bagged some serious talent for the occasion. The game's programming will include a modern Latin station hosted by Bad Bunny, the hottest tracks in African music on AfroBank FM, hosted by Burna Boy and Palms Tracks, classic metal on Chamber 106.6, hosted by Kerry King and Tom Araya of Slayer.

25:55 Speaker 3: Oh, that's pretty cool. I like that. Pop hits and classics alike and et cetera, et cetera. It kind of goes through a list. It's quite the list. We won't go through the rest of this, but basically, but that's the deal with that. That gives you an idea of some of what you can expect in the new Grand Theft Auto game. The other thing that really caught my eye, because, jeez, you know, we talk about all this a lot on the show whenever we talk about music industry news. We talk about AI. We talk about streaming.

26:24 Speaker 3: We talk about piracy. We talk about this brave new world that we've entered with AI and how it impacts the music industry. And I say all the time, It reminds me, you know, for those of you who are old enough to remember, the sort of seismic shift and, frankly, some of the panic around some of it that we're going through right now in the music industry and how AI impacts it. It kind of reminds me of when Napster came in and file sharing became a thing. And vis-a-vis the Internet, music effectively became free.

26:56 Speaker 3: But this really jumped out at me again. This is from Music Business Worldwide. Music streaming fraud inquiry launched by U.S. Copyright Office. It says here, the U.S. Copyright Office has launched a public inquiry into music streaming fraud. The office published a notice of inquiry in the Federal Register on Wednesday, October 7, seeking information on how streaming fraud is carried out, its economic impact, and its relationship to AI-generated music. Now, I'm very curious to know, what exactly do they mean by streaming fraud?

27:33 Speaker 3: As I take a gulp of my water here.

27:34 Speaker 18: I apologize.

27:39 Speaker 3: I apologize. Because our guest wasn't able to make it on, I have to talk more than usual, and I've been sick this week. I don't know if any of you listening have, but there's something going around in this area, at least in a pretty serious way, and a lot of people have been sick. This is the best I've felt in a couple days, but I spent a great deal of both my Thursday and Friday unconscious. I just felt terrible. I'm going to take another gulp here. So sorry about that, but I do not have a choice in the matter.

28:09 Speaker 3: It's either that or I begin hacking uncontrollably, man. Uh, let's see. So it says here written comments are due by November 23rd with reply comments due by December 21. The inquiry follows a request from Scott Fitzgerald, the Republican U S representative for Wisconsin's fifth district who sits on the house judiciary committee. His letter says, to the US CEO dated May 21, opens by asking it to, quote, examine the contributory effects of artificial intelligence in music streaming fraud and the resulting effect on the music industry.

28:51 Speaker 3: While there is nothing inherently wrong with using AI as a creative tool in music development or the organic growth of AI-generated music, specifically, generative technology AI can serve as a catalyst for criminals to perpetuate streaming fraud, unquote. So that's from the letter. He then added in the letter, quote, when AI-generated outputs compete against human-made works, they divert money from a finite royalty pool that would otherwise be distributed to actual rights holders. If done fraudulently by bad actors deploying bots or other forms of manipulation, it represents a clear theft of the royalty pool, unquote.

29:33 Speaker 3: The letter cites Deezer's finding that, and we talked about this before on the show. this number, I remember this very specifically, and it shocked me. Okay. The letter cited Deezer's finding that, quote, up to 85% of the streams generated by fully AI-generated tracks were unquote on its platform in 2025 were fraudulent. Now, again, what, what do we mean by fraudulent? Because when I think of fraudulent in this context, I think of like, if you're, I mean, there's nothing fraudulent about just using AI to create music.

30:16 Speaker 24: Right.

30:16 Speaker 3: But if you, but, but what has gone on is sometimes people use AI to create music and then, um, you know, try to pass it off as somebody else. That's a weird thing that's gone on. I remember a number of years, before this whole current AI boom even really started, we were talking on the show a few years ago about something that happened to Celine Dion, where there was this Celine Dion track circulating that apparently fooled everybody. Everybody thought it was Celine Dion, and it wasn't Celine Dion.

30:50 Speaker 3: It was completely AI. But somebody did a really good job with it. and fooled a lot of people. But I'm curious. One of the things that I think is very important as we look into this, as we think about it, as we have these discussions, is we have to very clearly define what do we mean by fraud? What do we mean by streaming fraud? If you create a band that doesn't actually exist and you put out music as that band, and there have been examples of that, where the band itself is completely made up doesn't exist.

31:28 Speaker 3: These people don't exist. They're not real. Is that a form of fraud? I mean, you are kind of fooling people, but is that really fraud? And then, and then if in the process of doing that, um, you make money because you make your royalties, um, from the streams, is that fraud? If you're doing it with music that people, because where it gets tricky is, well, if people like the music, they're listening to the music. Raises a question.

32:05 Speaker 17: What would you do?

32:06 Speaker 3: How would you feel if you listened to a song and you loved it? You just absolutely loved it. You thought it was so good. One of those songs you just wanted to listen to over and over. You liked it so much. And then you found out That it was completely AI. That someone had used a program like Suno, for example. Suno is a very popular app. I've used it to create stuff. What if you found out that it was entirely made with Suno?

32:33 Speaker 16: What do you do?

32:34 Speaker 3: Does that affect how you feel about the song? Does the song now no longer mean the same thing to you? Do you no longer find it catchy and infectious if it's a song you really love? Sorry, I had to drink some more water there. I'm really struggling here. Like I said, I've been sick all week. Might have to... We'll see how much longer I can just... Again, I'm talking more than I expected to because our first guest didn't make it on. But, you know, again, these are things that we all have to kind of grapple with to some degree, I guess.

33:12 Speaker 3: I mean, I can give you my answer to that, but my answer is not.

33:20 Speaker 3: You know, to the scenario that I just proposed. My answer is not something people are going to necessarily like, but if I heard a song that I really loved and then all of a sudden one day I find out that it was completely AI, I don't think in my mind I could just say, Oh, okay, well I'm not going to like that song anymore. I mean, if there's something about the song that connected with me, you know, is, I mean, you know, But again, that's not going to be a popular statement. I realize that. A lot of you would say, yeah, well, if I found out it was AI-generated, I would never listen to it again.

34:00 Speaker 3: Okay, but what if it was a song that you really, really loved? You know?

34:05 Speaker 17: Anyway.

34:07 Speaker 3: I would prefer that.

34:11 Speaker 3: Then we get some little clearer definition of what we mean by fraud. We actually have a call. Let's grab this, and this might help save my voice. Hi, welcome to Matt Connors and Unleashed. Who's this?

34:25 Speaker 26: Hey, it's Jenny.

34:27 Speaker 16: Hey, what's up?

34:29 Speaker 26: I liked your question, and you might not remember, but that happened with me. Remember that song I came across the first time, Inner Fury?

34:40 Speaker 27: Oh, yeah, yeah.

34:41 Speaker 26: That was online. Yeah, I thought they were real, and I really loved the music. And I even reached out to the person who was like, hey, you know, my partner has this radio show, and we love highlighting indie artists. And then he told me the truth. And I was really disappointed, because I really did believe or hope that they were real people. That didn't change the fact that I.

35:04 Speaker 14: Liked the song.

35:06 Speaker 26: So there's one aspect of it that way.

35:10 Speaker 3: Right.

35:10 Speaker 26: You know?

35:11 Speaker 12: Right.

35:12 Speaker 26: But on another hand, I came across a song that was written by a CRPS warrior, somebody with disabilities. And they had poured their heart and soul into the lyrics for years, writing this, putting it together. And then they used technology to get their writing put to music. And it was powerful and meaningful. And I'm not going to, you know, so there's the side of technology that helps people be creative that otherwise wouldn't be able to be.

35:48 Speaker 7: Right.

35:48 Speaker 26: Does that make sense?

35:49 Speaker 16: It does.

35:50 Speaker 3: Absolutely.

35:53 Speaker 26: So I won't, like, ever just totally be like, oh, you used a computer.

35:58 Speaker 24: You stink.

35:59 Speaker 26: I would never do that to somebody. Because, you know, some of these people have poured their hearts into these lyrics. They don't have... thousands and thousands of dollars to take it to a studio and have somebody help them turn it that way or hire musicians to make it come forward. But they can use this technology to bring that feeling to life. And especially for folks who are disabled and the more technology comes out, the more they can have an equal footing in the world and create in ways that they never had available to them.

36:34 Speaker 26: I would never just completely be negative.

36:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it would be pretty absurd to say to that person, well, what you did isn't valid because you used technology to create that music that you obviously wrote the lyrics for. I don't think anyone would want to say that to that person. And I think that's a really good point.

36:59 Speaker 26: The thing is that people, like the first person that I brought that to within our own community actually did react that way.

37:05 Speaker 3: Really?

37:06 Speaker 26: And they did. And one person out of many, one person. And it actually hurt me to get their response was something to the effect of, I'm not even going to listen to it. Like, I'm not even going to give it the time of day. I'm not going to listen to it because they used AI to create it. They used AI to create the music. but every lyric they painfully wrote over years, and they finally just now brought it to life and shared it. So my response was, you know, please remember when you're making these harsh decisions, Where people with disabilities fall into that line, because we want this world to be 100% accessible to everybody, right?

37:56 Speaker 26: You want somebody who's disabled to be able to create just as somebody else does, and that might take having accessible ways to do it. It doesn't make it any less valid or cheap in it. it's still an avenue for people. And that's one thing I ask of people to think about when you're making harsh decisions on AI. AI can be good and bad, yes, but it's not all bad. And for some people in our world, especially folks among the disabled community, it is a new window to the world and getting out and locked from their homes and out into the world in ways they've never had equal footing before.

38:40 Speaker 26: So think about that before you jump on something and say, oh, I'm not even going to give it a listen. You know, maybe hear their words and then make a judgment.

38:52 Speaker 16: Yep.

38:52 Speaker 3: No, I think that's an excellent point. Well said. Absolutely.

38:56 Speaker 5: All right.

38:58 Speaker 18: Yeah.

38:59 Speaker 26: I mean, there's a lot of that going on now. And if you stop and look, if you stop and actually look for it, you'll find it. but you've got to actually go look beyond that 30 seconds and see what's behind it. What is the human behind it? What are they doing? Are they just doing something because they want to make money? Or are they really trying to rip people off? Are they really trying to get away with something? Then to heck with those people. They're no good. But there is artistry out there that is beautiful and is finding a new voice in ways they never have before and at least give them a moment.

39:35 Speaker 26: There's a new one you've heard me listening to around the house. It's a husband and wife team. They're very real. They write everything, but they use AI to bring it to life. And there's parts of their music that is super powerful. And for folks with CRPS, there's sections in one of their songs where they talk about having phantom limb and going through the pain and not being really heard. And that is a connection for people that can be life-saving, right? If you can connect with somebody on that level, it can really be that powerful.

40:15 Speaker 26: So it's not just a game or an opinion. There's life behind it.

40:20 Speaker 3: Right, right. Very well said. Absolutely.

40:24 Speaker 16: All right.

40:24 Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Jenny.

40:25 Speaker 26: That's my two cents.

40:27 Speaker 3: I'll see you later.

40:29 Speaker 16: Okay. Bye-bye.

40:31 Speaker 3: All right.

40:31 Speaker 23: Very good.

40:32 Speaker 3: Jenny leaves us. And we will open the phone line up. We only have really a little bit of time left in this hour. But if you do happen to be listening live on Saturday morning and you would like to chime in on the subject, 603-250-6007 is the number. 603-250-6007. Like I said, we don't have a lot of time, but I know a lot of musicians listen to the show, so if you happen to be a musician listening and you have a thought on the subject, 603-250-6007. It feels like old times. I don't give the number out much since we moved to Saturday mornings, because the show's a little different than it used to be, but when we were on in the afternoons, we would take a lot of calls.

41:16 Speaker 3: Some of them would be good. Some of them would be not, uh, anyway, but we won't, we won't get into all that. Um, so, uh, just getting back to the article just to finish up on this. So like I said, uh, you know, these are, uh, back in, um, 2025, they found that 85% of the live streams were fully AI-generated tracks. Again, this is from musicindustryworldwide.com. Deezer's disclosure in April included that nearly 44% of its daily music uploads were AI-generated. Deezer said in July that that share had passed half in June, so now more than 50%, with close to 90,000 fully AI-generated tracks arriving a day.

42:03 Speaker 3: That's staggering too. When you think about it, 90,000 full, that means 90,000. Bully AI-generated tracks being uploaded to Deezer every single day. Fitzgerald asked the office to, quote, examine the prevalence of streaming fraud across digital platforms and how it may be affecting the music industry as a whole, and specifically the effects of AI-generated streaming fraud on the licensing and distribution of sound recording, performance, and mechanical royalties, unquote. The notice was published one day after Michael Smith, now we talked about this on the show too, you might remember this story, One day after Michael Smith was sentenced to 18 months in prison for a scheme, now this was definitely fraud, for a scheme that used bot accounts to stream hundreds of thousands of AI-generated songs.

42:54 Speaker 3: So what this guy did was, Michael Smith, from what I can recall from the story, because we did cover this on the show, he created, he developed a whole system of where he created all these different accounts with all these different AI, completely AI generated artists with all AI generated music, uploaded all of it, and then created all these bots to go and stream all of this music. And that generated royalties, of course, which amounted to millions. I mean, this guy, this, this whole scheme, this guy generated millions of dollars, um, by uploading AI, completely AI generated music, not real artists, and then creating bots to go and listen to that music.

43:44 Speaker 3: And it's impressive when you think about the scale on which he had to do all of that to make it work and actually generate millions of dollars. I mean, that's pretty impressive. Um, I'm not going to get, it does get into a little bit of the details. Um, Let's see.

44:10 Speaker 16: Okay.

44:11 Speaker 3: Smith of Cornelius, North Carolina, pled guilty in March to one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud. And it was conspiracy, by the way. Apparently he had a couple of other people involved in this with him. But, I mean, it's just amazing that anyone could even get away with that. And this was over the course of several years, you know, to generate millions of dollars in royalties from these. AI generated tracks that were not being listened to by actual people. Uh, on October 6th, us, a judge, John G. Co, uh, co-alt Colt, uh, ordered Smith to forfeit over $ 8 million.

44:50 Speaker 3: The last figure agreed by both sides. That's how much this guy generated in fraudulent, uh, royalties. Uh, the notice states that the primary harm of streaming fraud is the dilution of the royalty revenue pool. Um, The USCO also points to secondary harms, including effects on playlist placement and the streaming data that artists and venues rely on when planning tours. That's a very good point. Among the notices, 10 subjects... Actually, we should stop on that for a moment. Because if you are in that part of the music industry where maybe you're a promoter, and I used to do a lot of that, a lot of promoting events, kind of a nightmare in a lot of ways.

45:33 Speaker 3: we'll probably stop on this point because we're going to get to a break before the second hour. But if you were a promoter and you're trying to decide on who to bring to your venues, one of your venues for a show, and you're trying to decide, you know, when you're a promoter, you take a financial risk. You book the, you book the event, you hope it makes enough money and you hope you make a profit. So if one of your data points is, when deciding on whether or not to book an artist is how many streams they have.

46:05 Speaker 3: And if those streaming numbers aren't necessarily legitimate because it's all bots, then that's a problem that skews, you know, you're, you're working with data. That's not accurate. In other words,

46:21 Speaker 3: it's no different than, um, you know, say you're an advertiser and you're looking, um, you're looking at a potential YouTube streams of a podcast that you might sponsor and, and, uh, but their numbers are fake because they're actually using bots to inflate, artificially inflate their numbers. You know, then the product that the, uh, or I should say the, the podcast that you're potentially going to be advertising on, uh, And I use this as an example because it happens all the time. All the time. The podcast that you're considering advertising on might not really have those listeners or viewers.

47:02 Speaker 3: Those numbers are artificially inflated by buying bots. There's all kinds of ways this goes on. This is a little bit of a side street, but people use that for their businesses. They buy Google reviews. You can actually hire a company that will generate fake Google reviews, positive Google reviews for you. Um, now if you get caught and people tend to get caught because Google's, uh, detection methods are sophisticated enough, they can actually tell when, when these reviews are fake, they have ways, they have ways, uh, you know, then they'll deactivate your Google ads account, which no business wants that because that sucks.

47:47 Speaker 3: Uh, but anyway, uh, this kind of thing goes on all the time. and how it affects the music industry and how prevalent it is in the music industry is certainly a problem. But we don't have time for the rest of this. We're going to have to get to a break. There's a lot here. But if you want to look at the entire article, again, it's on musicbusinessworldwide.com, titled Music Streaming Fraud Inquiry Launched by U.S. Copyright Office. And that will give you all the dirty details. But coming up in the second hour....

48:19 Speaker 28: Let's see.

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56:57 Speaker 21: It's your party.

57:00 Speaker 22: It's your bubblegum party.

57:02 Speaker 5: You ain't right.

57:04 Speaker 23: Your dress is too tight.

57:07 Speaker 22: The neighbours phone down below.

57:10 Speaker 4: Big fight.

57:12 Speaker 35: Some hookers all night.

57:14 Speaker 22: The naked man's in your room.

57:17 Speaker 21: Hold tight.

57:18 Speaker 22: The moment's not right.

57:20 Speaker 23: He's angry and looking for you.

57:24 Speaker 22: They take sides, they always take sides. Now they're all having this view.

57:31 Speaker 28: It's a show party.

57:33 Speaker 22: It's a breaking up party.

57:38 Speaker 21: It's a heartache.

57:41 Speaker 22: It's a breaking up party. Fake eyes, you know what's inside. Dragging the tide to cool. Be nice, pretend it's alright And hit him with all you know He subsides, you got all his lies.

58:01 Speaker 9: I'm blowing them all into.

58:05 Speaker 22: View Feels right, he's up on his bike Now you can pick your own It's.

58:12 Speaker 21: Your party It's your breaking up.

58:16 Speaker 22: Party There's no heartache.

58:22 Speaker 5: Breaking up parties.

59:05 Speaker 11: Thank you.

59:05 Speaker 12: Play.

59:25 Speaker 3: Oh, that is so catchy. Bubblegum Party. And the artist is Siki, who we're going to be speaking with in just a moment. But welcome, everybody. We have entered our number two numero dos of Matt Connerton Unleashed. And we are live from the studios of WMNH 95.3 FM in glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. And of course, you can stream the show from anywhere. Go to mattconnertonunleashed.com and click listen live for all of your live streaming options, social media links, contact info, show archives, et cetera, et cetera.

59:54 Speaker 3: Today is Saturday, October 10, 2026. We've got, uh, I thought I heard something, uh, Mick Butler, uh, stick, uh, sticky, almost said sticky. Sticky is on the line with us. I think, Oh, there he is. Hey, welcome Mick.

1:00:08 Speaker 13: Hello.

1:00:09 Speaker 23: Can you actually hear me?

1:00:10 Speaker 33: Yes.

1:00:10 Speaker 14: Yes.

1:00:10 Speaker 3: I can hear you.

1:00:11 Speaker 16: Yeah.

1:00:11 Speaker 3: I guess you were, I guess you were muted before.

1:00:14 Speaker 23: So, uh, yeah, so I've got a microphone, a microphone plugged in. That's, um, I've done it wrong basically. So I do apologize.

1:00:22 Speaker 3: Oh, I got you. No, no, these things happen. Uh, so, um, Yeah, tell us about that song. So we did play Bubblegum Party to open the segment, of course, from the upcoming album Redland, which is going to be out November 20th. And can you tell us about that song? Because it seems like, you know, it's very catchy and poppy, but it's got kind of a dark theme underneath it.

1:00:47 Speaker 23: Yeah, well, first of all, thank you for playing it. Oh, of course. It's a story, basically. about a character who gets her own back on somebody who's been basically bullying and treating and mistreating her. So it is a story, but I think we all know characters like this. And in this story, the guy gets the elbow. So, but she does it at a party and the bubblegum bit is just, it's a real childlike expression of you picture somebody blowing a bubble in somebody's face right and it's basically it's basically saying stuff you you know get out of here basically so yeah it's totally made up it's totally made up but um i think we all know somebody like that or along the way we've met somebody like that so yeah but on the album that's one of the ones that's just complete fiction to be honest so i gotcha it gets a little bit more darker the rest of the album can be go off on tangents and it's a bit darker in places, but that is literally just a, a cheeky bit of pop.

1:01:59 Speaker 23: I would call that really.

1:02:01 Speaker 28: Okay.

1:02:01 Speaker 16: Okay.

1:02:02 Speaker 3: Um, is, is, is the other, uh, songs on the album and again, uh, Redland comes out November 20th. Is, is there kind of a, a similar approach where you've got kind of a, you know, a poppy vibe, but, but some, uh, sort of darker, uh, subject matter underneath.

1:02:17 Speaker 26: Yeah.

1:02:18 Speaker 37: Yeah.

1:02:18 Speaker 23: I kind of can't help that. Um, I love, I love pop songs. Um, Or just great songs. I love hooks, earworms and stuff like that. But there are times on the album where... Because I'm not a piano player, but I bought a piano and I decided to try and write some stuff on the piano. So inevitably lead you in certain directions, but I didn't want to go too maudlin because the piano can do that.

1:02:51 Speaker 3: Absolutely.

1:02:52 Speaker 23: So it's just... I just learned enough to be able to just get some little ideas and yeah, I think, I think it's still, um, dark, but catchy, I think hopefully, and a bit of fun, but, um, there isn't, there is an undercurrent. There's a lot of truth in a lot of the stories that are on the album, real life stuff that either happened to me or friends. And, and the actual Redland, the title is, is, is an area where I grew up with all my mates, um, I was a village boy in the Midlands in England.

1:03:28 Speaker 28: Yeah.

1:03:28 Speaker 23: And it was just this derelict factory that was just our play, our play place. It was dangerous. Um, people got hurt.

1:03:39 Speaker 16: Yeah.

1:03:39 Speaker 26: Yeah.

1:03:39 Speaker 23: When you're youth, you just do it. You just do it. Don't you? So that's, that's the backbone of the album is it's, it's that memory of, of us misbehaving and just learning life in this, um, Dangerous playground, really, I suppose.

1:03:56 Speaker 16: Okay.

1:03:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

1:03:58 Speaker 23: And a lot of the characters that were there, I've been growing up with, some of them are sadly no longer with us, but some of the songs feature little elements of their story and stuff without being too dark and too, you know, oh, God. Hopefully.

1:04:17 Speaker 3: Understood, understood.

1:04:18 Speaker 23: Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's me.

1:04:21 Speaker 7: That's just.

1:04:22 Speaker 23: That's the way I do it. But I would normally write stuff on a guitar. So this is different to what I've done before, hopefully. So I think I subconsciously did that on purpose, to be honest. Bought a piano so I didn't write stuff on a guitar. So, yeah.

1:04:36 Speaker 3: There you go. So the obvious question, of course, where does the name come from, Siki?

1:04:43 Speaker 35: Okay.

1:04:43 Speaker 23: Well, Siki is a nickname given to me by a former bandmate of mine. It used to be in a band called Papamantra. We were releasing stuff in the early 2000s, so we've been around a bit. And we were in a studio, and he just didn't sit with him, calling me Mick. And the producer we were working with kept calling me Mickey Boy because he was a cockney. And he just morphed that into Sickie, and that's as simple as that. I'm not sick. It's just. Our bass player just couldn't call me Mickey to save his life.

1:05:19 Speaker 23: And I don't blame him to be honest.

1:05:21 Speaker 18: Yeah.

1:05:21 Speaker 23: Just stuck from there, man. And I still love him to bits, bless him, Dan. And I'm still in touch with him now. So it's his fault. Daniel Raven, it's your fault.

1:05:33 Speaker 16: Okay.

1:05:33 Speaker 17: Okay.

1:05:34 Speaker 3: And then, uh, do you plan to name him?

1:05:36 Speaker 23: There you go.

1:05:37 Speaker 16: There you go.

1:05:39 Speaker 3: Um, do you plan to, uh, Redland? I mean, do you plan to tour with the album? Are you going to bring that to the stage? And, and, and, and is that a challenge because you know, the songs are not, you know, simple, you know, guitar, bass, drums, you know?

1:05:53 Speaker 23: Yeah, it is a challenge and I'm taking on that challenge. Um, I would love to play. It's so difficult to get, um, gigs basically they're few and far between i don't know whether it's like what it's like over there but it's pretty tough to get on a i mean i would love to do a support with somebody to and cover the country and and get this out there but i just i just think i've just sussed how to play these buggers um i've never had a pedal board in my life being a guitarist that's shocking really but I've built myself a little pedal board, which enables me to do some of the piano parts.

1:06:33 Speaker 35: Yeah.

1:06:33 Speaker 23: Using a loop pedal and just three or four other effects. But I'm not looping it Ed Sheeran style where it takes you a week to get going. I'm just using it as elements within the songs. So it doesn't take like five minutes to do a two minute song.

1:06:50 Speaker 3: Right.

1:06:51 Speaker 23: So I've been learning how to do that. You know what I mean? Cause I mean, I've seen people, I don't want to offend anybody, but I've seen people at gigs where it's just like, start the song already, please start the song.

1:07:04 Speaker 38: Yeah.

1:07:04 Speaker 3: I've, I've, I've seen that too.

1:07:08 Speaker 18: Yeah.

1:07:09 Speaker 14: Yeah.

1:07:09 Speaker 23: So I think I'm getting there and I've done a couple of little live things and I've got something to go with the album launch, um, in a beautiful little venue called clap trap, which is in, um, place called Stourbridge, which is the birthplace of people like the wonder stuff, um, pop elite itself, that kind of scene that was, and it's still very musical. So I'm playing there. So I better get it right before then. So we'll keep rehearsing, see where it goes.

1:07:36 Speaker 3: Absolutely.

1:07:37 Speaker 16: Absolutely.

1:07:38 Speaker 3: So the, the album's out November, uh, 20th. And then what's, do you have plans for the next single?

1:07:45 Speaker 21: Yeah.

1:07:45 Speaker 23: Just before that, uh, we've got a Halloween single coming out. Oh, and that is Mort.

1:07:50 Speaker 14: Mort.

1:07:51 Speaker 23: Which is the first one on the album, isn't it?

1:07:52 Speaker 16: I think.

1:07:52 Speaker 9: Yeah.

1:07:54 Speaker 23: So more is, uh, coming out October the 20th, I think just in time for Halloween.

1:08:00 Speaker 39: Okay.

1:08:01 Speaker 23: Because it's about death. Oh, um, and it's very tongue. It's very tongue in cheek to be fair. And this is quite poppy as well.

1:08:09 Speaker 16: Okay.

1:08:10 Speaker 23: Um, and we've just done a video for it, which has been fun.

1:08:15 Speaker 16: Um, Oh, cool.

1:08:16 Speaker 23: Where, uh, yeah, where we've gotten, my other half's oldest daughter dressed as death.

1:08:24 Speaker 28: Okay.

1:08:25 Speaker 23: In various locations or various locations around whereby I live in bridge North. So she's like doing the shopping and in co-op dressed as death and nobody is taking any notice. And we haven't got permission.

1:08:36 Speaker 16: We just, right.

1:08:38 Speaker 23: But it's turned out really, really, really fun. So that'll come out on the 20th.

1:08:42 Speaker 17: Okay.

1:08:43 Speaker 23: October.

1:08:43 Speaker 16: Okay.

1:08:44 Speaker 23: And we'll give it the big push for Halloween. See how that goes.

1:08:47 Speaker 3: Wonderful.

1:08:48 Speaker 16: Wonderful.

1:08:48 Speaker 23: I think we, We got big on Halloween thanks to you guys. I think you guys started it, didn't you, over there?

1:08:54 Speaker 3: We'll take credit. We don't mind.

1:08:56 Speaker 23: I think so.

1:08:58 Speaker 3: We'll take credit for it.

1:08:59 Speaker 23: Trick or treat is not an English thing, I don't believe.

1:09:03 Speaker 3: Right.

1:09:05 Speaker 23: I love it.

1:09:06 Speaker 16: Well, good.

1:09:06 Speaker 3: Well, part of why, too, I wanted to ask about the next single is what I would like to do, Mick, if you don't, I'm kind of putting you on the spot here, but since you do have another single coming out, you know, we'd love to play it here. And I'm thinking if we can schedule, you know, we'll do this offline, but if we can schedule a time for you to come back and we'll talk about the new single because, you know, because unfortunately because of the problem with the mic, you know, we don't have as much time as I'd like to have with you.

1:09:32 Speaker 3: So, um, no worries, mate.

1:09:34 Speaker 23: No worries.

1:09:35 Speaker 39: Yeah.

1:09:35 Speaker 3: These things happen, but, um, but yeah, let's, let's, we'll, we'll, we'll email offline. We'll figure it out. We'll get Sean in on it and we'll, we'll figure out a date and, uh, and we'll feature the new single and talk to you all about it. And, uh, I think that'll be great.

1:09:49 Speaker 39: Brilliant.

1:09:50 Speaker 23: That's a bonus.

1:09:51 Speaker 18: All right.

1:09:51 Speaker 23: I cocked it up on purpose.

1:09:53 Speaker 16: There you go.

1:09:54 Speaker 40: There you go.

1:09:55 Speaker 3: Um, before you go, however, uh, where should people go online to keep, to keep track with everything that you're doing and learn more about the album and, uh, everything, all things sicky, if you will.

1:10:07 Speaker 23: All things sicky, one place, sicky b.com.

1:10:11 Speaker 3: That's easy.

1:10:12 Speaker 23: Everything's there.

1:10:13 Speaker 3: Oh, that's very easy.

1:10:14 Speaker 23: That links you to everything else without me listing off loads of stuff. Sicky b.com, all the other stuff's on there.

1:10:22 Speaker 16: So, Outstanding.

1:10:24 Speaker 23: That's where you'll find it.

1:10:25 Speaker 3: Perfect. Perfect. Perfect.

1:10:26 Speaker 16: All right.

1:10:27 Speaker 3: Mick Butler. Sorry. I'm struggling a little. I'm just kidding.

1:10:30 Speaker 16: Don't go by many names.

1:10:31 Speaker 3: That's fine. That's not the problem.

1:10:33 Speaker 18: No.

1:10:34 Speaker 3: My mouth is very dry because I've been sick. So I keep tripping over my words. So I just need to slow down a little bit. But Mick Butler, a.k.a. Sickie, thank you so much for joining us today. And we'll figure it out. We'll talk again very soon.

1:10:48 Speaker 5: Cool.

1:10:50 Speaker 39: Thank you, Matt.

1:10:51 Speaker 16: That's brilliant.

1:10:51 Speaker 21: Cheers.

1:10:51 Speaker 3: All right. Thanks, my friend. Take care.

1:11:01 Speaker 4: See ya.

1:11:21 Speaker 3: Now, what is, uh, what does Paul Heyman say? Out of chaos comes opportunity or something like that. Because if he is ready, and I appreciate his being so flexible with us today. Charles Richardson is with us via restream. Hi, Charles.

1:11:38 Speaker 16: Hey, what's going on, man?

1:11:39 Speaker 3: Not too much. It's been quite a morning. Just lots of things have gone wrong today. But it is the joy of live radio, is it not?

1:11:50 Speaker 16: Yes, where there's chaos, there's controversy, and where there's controversy, there's money, whatever the hell. Who was that that said that? That was Bischoff.

1:12:01 Speaker 3: Eric Bischoff has a book called Controversy Creates Cash, which I've read. But I remember Paul Heyman saying something about out of chaos comes opportunity or something. I'm sure he had something there. Rahm Emanuel once famously or infamously said, never let a good crisis go to waste. But that gets into politics, and we're not going to do that, obviously. But by the way, the reason I decided to play Tatum Paxley's theme coming into the segment, and again, thank you for joining us early, is because I think she has the coolest entrance music of anybody currently on the roster, and I like it so much, and I have not admitted this to anyone.

1:12:43 Speaker 3: I've actually played it in my car driving. I've cranked up Tatum Baxley's entrance music, Eyes of the Reaper. I just think it's so good.

1:12:52 Speaker 16: I'm actually fascinated that you think that. Yeah, it's cool music, but I actually have a thing for Penta's music.

1:13:00 Speaker 3: Oh, his music is great, too.

1:13:01 Speaker 28: I like that.

1:13:03 Speaker 16: That music, there's such a good riff on there. It's like, wow. Whoever did that should be on Van Halen or something.

1:13:13 Speaker 3: A lot of people complain about WWE's music these days, but I think they're doing pretty well. Except for Chad Gable.

1:13:24 Speaker 16: The people that complain about WWE's music, Simply put our AEW fans. Cause Oh, AEW plays all like commercial music and everything like that, blah, blah, blah. Which I think they're even going away from like Moxley used to come out to wild thing.

1:13:40 Speaker 32: Yeah.

1:13:41 Speaker 16: Like, what the hell kind of original thing is that?

1:13:44 Speaker 3: It's very expensive.

1:13:44 Speaker 16: Come on, Mox. Come on, Dean. Let's stop that.

1:13:49 Speaker 3: I agree with you. The only criticism I have of WWE's music at the moment, well, I don't like Bayley's music. I never have. But I also, Chad Gable's music is inexcusable to me because that just sounds completely AI.

1:14:01 Speaker 16: That's crap.

1:14:02 Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah.

1:14:03 Speaker 16: It's awful.

1:14:03 Speaker 28: That's crap.

1:14:04 Speaker 16: It's awful. Dude, do better. But also, the Videotron thing. of his coming out looks like he's from Japan and like he's supposed to be this Mexican luchador. So it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

1:14:21 Speaker 18: Right.

1:14:21 Speaker 16: So yeah, do better WWE with Chad's entrance at least. Right.

1:14:26 Speaker 33: Right.

1:14:26 Speaker 3: But well, so we should probably talk about the business at hand, right? Money in the bank.

1:14:33 Speaker 18: Yeah.

1:14:33 Speaker 16: Yeah. So do I, do I still have a half hour or 20 minutes or whatever?

1:14:38 Speaker 3: We got a half hour. I can make it work. We got a half hour.

1:14:42 Speaker 21: Okay.

1:14:45 Speaker 16: All right. So, yes. So, number one, first off, you mentioned Tatum Paxley. Congratulations are in hand. She and Alexa Bliss are new tag team champions.

1:14:56 Speaker 26: Yes.

1:14:57 Speaker 21: Yep.

1:14:57 Speaker 3: That happened last night on SmackDown.

1:15:00 Speaker 16: Definitely congratulations. Now, there, I do see, hmm, Charlotte Flair was supposed to be in there. But she got, you know, attacked. Is Charlotte Flair going to maybe turn heel and be jealous of, hey, you guys have belts. I don't have a belt. You know, I don't know if I'm overlooking that.

1:15:21 Speaker 3: It's possible. I wouldn't rule it out.

1:15:25 Speaker 16: But. But, yeah, we got a lot of chaos on SmackDown last night, which I was just catching up on. I went ahead and tried to catch up on it last night. I fell asleep. But, yeah, all chaos because of the men's Money in the Bank. Everybody just decided to jump in the ring and fly all over each other. So, yeah, it's a lot of stuff. And, you know, I like this card on this PLE because if you take a look at it, there's only like two veterans out of the whole both Money in the Bank lineups. That are in there.

1:16:01 Speaker 16: Everything else is new people. Like Braun Breaker, Javon, Trick, Penta. On the men's side, you got CM Punk and Kevin Owens that are veterans. That's it. And then the women, it's all new chicks. Yeah. Soul, Lola, JC Jane, Roxanne, Lash, Tiffany Stratton. Tiffany Stratton, the only one I think has had any experience. But all new talent. This is great. And I'm hoping they just blow the roof off tonight out there. By the way, 6 p.m. Eastern start time on the ESPN Unlimited app thingy. Roman Reigns, LA Knight.

1:16:44 Speaker 16: They've had some great promos.

1:16:47 Speaker 13: Yeah.

1:16:47 Speaker 16: I'm not going to lie. LA Knight is holding the game. But Roman's got this confidence. And, you know, he's got this swagger back. He's coming back to the old Roman where... I'm here, way at the top, and you're all beneath me. And that's even with his cousins, if you noticed. 9-4-6.

1:17:09 Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

1:17:10 Speaker 16: I'm waiting for the shoe to drop. I'm waiting to see.

1:17:15 Speaker 7: L.A.

1:17:15 Speaker 16: Knight get some interference from 9-4-6, and then all of a sudden he says, no one's safe after he holds up the title.

1:17:22 Speaker 3: Oh, you think they'll do that? Is somebody else at... I think. Bully Ray had said that too on Busted Open, didn't he? I saw something about that. He said that would be, that would be pretty cool. I mean, you know, that'd be a break a lot of hearts, but that'd be, that'd be a pretty, pretty good heel turn.

1:17:41 Speaker 18: Yeah.

1:17:42 Speaker 26: Yeah.

1:17:43 Speaker 16: I mean, that's, that's good. And of course, then you have Solo Sokola rejoining the bloodline in absence of, well, I'm not sure if it's a, it's a one night stand type of thing.

1:17:53 Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing. They never said he was officially rejoining. But I think they intentionally left that ambiguous, which is smart from a storytelling perspective. It lets us wonder about that.

1:18:06 Speaker 16: Yeah. Unfortunately, that's not a Money in the Bank thing. That's a Raw thing next week.

1:18:10 Speaker 17: Yeah.

1:18:11 Speaker 16: We'll see how that works out.

1:18:12 Speaker 28: Yeah.

1:18:13 Speaker 16: But let's jump into it real quick. So you got the triple threat match for the Women's World Championship. You got Vicar, Lynch, and Morgan. which Vicar, I guess you kind of could have seen this coming, where this is going to be a triple threat. There's no way you're going to get a real clear winner between Becky and Liv. So let's just group them all together. And so Vicar went ahead and just interrupted the match willy-nilly. I think that was kind of lazy storytelling, to be honest with you. But the triple threat usually is better than a singles match.

1:18:45 Speaker 16: So let's see how it works out. I think they'll still have a pretty good match. By the way, see vicar winning I.

1:18:52 Speaker 3: Do too, but something to just say about that. Becky Lynch, I'm disappointed that they went ahead and made her a babyface again. I think she is so much more entertaining as a heel. A heel Becky Lynch is awesome. Babyface Becky Lynch is just, yeah, she's still cool and everything, but nothing like it. She is so good at being a heel and so entertaining.

1:19:13 Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like you mentioned that before. It's like such a good heel she is. And you know what? I can see that. I can see that. I can actually see Becky and Liv actually teaming together, to be honest with you. But yeah, Becky is such a better heel than she is a baby face because I don't know. There's something about her. I can't stand her. I just want to slap her.

1:19:36 Speaker 3: Don't say that. Careful, dude. I realize you're in Florida, but let's be easy.

1:19:49 Speaker 16: No, no. I mean, it's just like, I kind of feel like, just shut up. Shut up and make me hate you. Just to make me hate you.

1:19:58 Speaker 3: Right.

1:19:59 Speaker 16: You're being too nice. Yeah.

1:20:01 Speaker 32: No.

1:20:04 Speaker 16: You're married to the once leader of the vision. Come on. You can't be a nice chick. Come on.

1:20:10 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:20:11 Speaker 16: But yeah, I see Stephanie winning this one because this is going to be too much chaos. Becky and Liv are going to cancel each other out, and Stephanie's going to take advantage. Classic triple threat scenario. But this match, I'm anxious to see. Oba and Bronson. Bronson looks, number one, looks amazing. Congratulations to him on dropping the weight. He's more athletic. His tsunamis, I don't think, are as... you know, as great as they were because he's not as big anymore, but I think they still do the damage.

1:20:53 Speaker 16: Um, and I think Oba definitely has a size on him now. Um, does there, is there any interference from the rest of the vision? Probably. Well, will that affect Oma Oba? Um, yes. I think Bronson takes this one, but the storyline is nowhere close to being done. I think Oba gets his revenge on everybody. And I'm over here looking at Logan Paul coming in the ring. He must be cleared. He's wearing that arm brace. I think he's cleared. I think there's going to be a point in time where he takes that thing off and we start seeing him fly.

1:21:35 Speaker 16: And that might be tonight. Well, maybe. He's been going in the ring, baby. He's not being a bystander anymore.

1:21:45 Speaker 3: I'm glad they're kind of taking their time with Obafemi, which I think is good. The tricky thing with him is you don't want to make him invincible, you know what I mean? Because they easily could. Realistically, who could beat him, really?

1:22:04 Speaker 39: Easily.

1:22:04 Speaker 3: But you have to have, for a babyface like him, you have to have some vulnerability. But, yeah, they're kind of taking their time with him, and they're taking their time with Bronson Reed, too, but they haven't really had a choice because he's been injured a couple times now. But you're right. I mean, Bronson looks great after dropping the weight. Yeah, he looks really good.

1:22:28 Speaker 16: He does. I'm going to reach out to him and see what his trick is because I need to lose weight.

1:22:34 Speaker 14: Yeah.

1:22:34 Speaker 16: My God, what are you doing, Bronson? What are you eating? Tell me, please. I need to know. But, yeah, I actually see Bronson winning this one, be by interference, or at least distraction. I see Bronson winning this one, and it just keeps the storyline going. We see, you know, Oba and The Vision go, and we see the next PLE maybe where it all comes to a head. But, yeah, I think the numbers are going to be a factor this time for Oba. I think next time he's going to be more ready for it, and, you know, he'll squash everybody.

1:23:08 Speaker 24: Yeah.

1:23:08 Speaker 21: So.

1:23:09 Speaker 16: Definitely not.

1:23:10 Speaker 28: Okay.

1:23:11 Speaker 16: So the one big one here, Roman and LA Knight, that's for the World Heavyweight Championship. I'm dying to know if LA Knight actually pulls this off. And I'm thinking he.

1:23:29 Speaker 16: I'm torn between this one, dude. I really am. I mean, I think it's in the cards for Roman to win. I mean, it's not really... LA's a pop. but Roman's even a bigger pop. I mean, let's be realistic. Roman's still a bigger pop.

1:23:44 Speaker 3: I think the fans.

1:23:47 Speaker 3: I do think the fans want this, but I also... I mean, this is kind of the last chance for LA Knight, right? I mean, he's 43, I believe. Not that that matters much in wrestling anymore, but he... I mean, Sammy Zane is 42, apparently. I looked it up last night. But he hasn't had a world title yet in WWE, and I think just to kind of give him one, it would almost feel like a consolation prize at this point, But at the same time, I do think the fans are going to be mad if he loses. But I do like the idea of the heel turn.

1:24:21 Speaker 3: And he aligns with 9-4-6 and wins the title. Something like that.

1:24:26 Speaker 16: I'm thinking that's the only way to do it.

1:24:29 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:24:30 Speaker 16: Because you have to have a faction to win against Roman. You have to have the distraction. You have to have the heel play. And LA Knight has to turn heel in order to do it. It's kind of like how Cody has to turn heel. to beat Randy Orton, LA Knight, I think, has to turn heel. And I think the 9-4-6 angle, if, you know, there has been no hint whatsoever of LA Knight joining 9-4-6, except that he is distancing himself from Solo, who is supposedly his friend, with the 9-4-6. And so, it would be a complete shock.

1:25:12 Speaker 16: It would be a complete shock. And I think If you're going to go ahead and make mouths drop, I think LA Knight is the perfect person to say, hey, I'm the leader of 9-4-6. Nobody's safe. Yeah.

1:25:27 Speaker 3: It would be a shock, but it would also make sense. Because that's what's so important. As wrestling fans, we love to be surprised, but we don't want Vince Russo to shock us just to shock us.

1:25:39 Speaker 16: We want.

1:25:40 Speaker 3: surprises that are still, but we still want logical storytelling. And I think that it would make sense because L.A. Knight, you know, he hates the bloodline no matter what. And no matter how much anyone tries to convince him that the bloodline is different now or that things are different, he still hates them. So using 9-4-6 to get at them, it does make complete sense. But then it also raises the question, if he turns heel, will the fans actually boo him? I don't know that they will.

1:26:11 Speaker 16: I don't think so. I mean, I think he's going to take a stance kind of like how Roman is. You know, Roman technically, he's in the middle of everything. He's not a heel or a baby face. And he's over here treating the Usos like, you know, you're beneath me. Kind of like how he was before. Right. And the fans still OTC and they're giving the finger, you know, the right finger, not the. but there's still, there's still, but the ones and everything like that.

1:26:41 Speaker 18: Yeah.

1:26:42 Speaker 16: Uh, so why can't Ellie Knight go ahead, flip the script and still be popular? Right.

1:26:51 Speaker 3: Um, no, I, I agree. I agree. I mean, you know, he could be, he could be a cool heel, you know, who still gets, still gets the big pop and everything.

1:27:00 Speaker 26: Yeah.

1:27:01 Speaker 3: No, I think there's, I think there's real potential there. I like that idea. I do like that idea.

1:27:06 Speaker 16: So, We'll see. I mean, I've been like 25% correct on some of these things. So I don't pretend to say, you know, if I'm a betting person, I say Roman wins.

1:27:20 Speaker 18: Right.

1:27:20 Speaker 16: If I'm a betting person.

1:27:22 Speaker 26: Right.

1:27:22 Speaker 16: But I'm really hoping the LA Knight 9-4-6 storyline comes afloat tonight. That would be really awesome.

1:27:31 Speaker 17: I agree.

1:27:31 Speaker 3: That would be a hot storyline. Yes, I agree with you.

1:27:35 Speaker 16: And even more, if they make this the main event, like the last match of the night, then yeah. Then yeah. Yeah.

1:27:45 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:27:47 Speaker 16: Yeah. I think if they make this the last match of the night, I think that does happen.

1:27:54 Speaker 35: Yeah.

1:27:54 Speaker 16: But then again, who's to say that the men's Money in the Bank winner doesn't come out and smash LA Knight? Or Roman for that matter. So that's if they make this match the last match. We don't know the order it's going in. We do know that Women's Money in the Bank is happening first. We know that.

1:28:17 Speaker 17: Do we know that?

1:28:19 Speaker 16: So, yes. I believe they made the announcement on SmackDown that the Women's Money in the Bank will open the card.

1:28:26 Speaker 3: Okay, I missed that. I got to be honest with you, Charles. I was only like half, maybe partly because I was sick, but I was really only half paying attention to SmackDown last night. I was kind of bored with it.

1:28:38 Speaker 16: Oh, you're sick? I didn't even know that. You all right?

1:28:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just said there's just a nasty virus going around. I'm better now. I spent most of Thursday and a lot of yesterday unconscious. This is actually the best I've felt in several days right now, to be honest with you. I actually feel pretty good overall, but I'm still stuffy and stuff. But yeah, I was kind of bored during SmackDown last night.

1:29:06 Speaker 16: Yeah, it didn't have a real big... It didn't have a lot of flavor, except for the title turn for the women's tag team. I mean, I was happy to see that. That was good. And then, of course, the chaos at the end. But you kind of expected the chaos anyway. I kind of like Sami Zayn's promo at the beginning, though.

1:29:30 Speaker 3: Oh, I did like that. Yes.

1:29:33 Speaker 16: That was awesome. He basically... He went ahead, and I saw what they did. They took the top two people in that Money in the Bank ladder match, put them on the two top ladders.

1:29:46 Speaker 25: Yeah.

1:29:46 Speaker 16: Sammy gets the little ladder.

1:29:48 Speaker 14: Yeah.

1:29:49 Speaker 16: CM Punk, man. They're going away from traditional. Like, the entrance music plays, and they shut up. No, no. CM Punk's over here talking.

1:29:57 Speaker 8: Oh, I know.

1:29:57 Speaker 3: That was– That was great. That was great. Yeah, that that segment I loved. That was a great opening segment. And yeah, I loved that whole thing. And all three of them play their parts so perfectly.

1:30:12 Speaker 16: Yes, I did.

1:30:12 Speaker 3: I did like that. Maybe maybe that was part of why I got kind of bored with the rest of the show, because it had such a hot opening and then the rest of it just felt kind of dull. including the ending when they do the thing at the end where everybody's hitting their finishers on everybody else who's in the Money in the Bank match. It's like a worn-out trope that you know is coming. You know that's coming.

1:30:35 Speaker 16: Yeah, it does get predictable to a point. I mean, I guess that's the way it is with a lot of go-home shows that close out everything until the PLE. You want to focus on the big stars of the match and just have them just whatever. But yeah, Sami Zayn and I'm going to give him the win on that one. He went ahead and pointed out to both superstars at the top. Yeah, you may be this and you may be that, but I'm the one with the title. I'm your title winner. You guys, neither one of you are going to win.

1:31:09 Speaker 16: I'm still going to be your champion. I love that. I do too. That's so great. I do too.

1:31:14 Speaker 3: Well, I love heel Sami Zayn. I like him so much better, so much better than babyface Sammy Zane. I understand why people love him as a babyface. I mean, this is something that I, you know, Eric and Austin and I on Tough Bumps, they disagreed with me on this, you know, months ago when we were talking about it. But I like him so much better as a heel. I think he's so much more interesting.

1:31:35 Speaker 16: Yeah, definitely. I mean, how he plays off the fans, too. It's like, you know what? He's playing perfect. He's playing it perfect. I'm still a good guy, and I'm the last real good guy, and you don't alone see it. That's your problem. So it is what it is.

1:31:50 Speaker 17: Yeah.

1:31:52 Speaker 16: But let's go to the men's money in the bank real quick. So again, 75% new blood. I love it.

1:32:02 Speaker 14: Yeah.

1:32:02 Speaker 16: Braun, Javon, Trick, and Penta. And then you got CM Punk and Kevin Owens. If I'm going to put my money on anybody, I want Penta to pull out this because he's already went ahead and made some beef about Roman. And if Roman does decide, it does win and does continue, what great honor Penta would have to cash in, break his skull over with the Money in the Bank briefcase, and pin him for the 1-2-3, and Penta finally gets his championship.

1:32:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, it would not surprise me at all.

1:32:37 Speaker 16: I would say....

1:32:40 Speaker 41: Yeah.

1:32:40 Speaker 16: Javon, I think for this type of match, man, he would be the perfect victor. But you know what? Perfect doesn't necessarily mean that's what's going to happen. But Javon would be great. Trick, I think he's too heavy foot. Braun, same thing. And I think CM Punk and Kevin, they got their own thing going. So Penta's the odd man out.

1:33:03 Speaker 3: I think Penta's a great choice. They're obviously really behind him. From everything that I've read online, they're very pleased with him. They were very impressed with his match with Roman. And he's certainly marketable. He's totally over with the fans. Something about CM Punk that's been bothering me. I haven't seen anyone else comment on this online, but Do you find it odd that after he lost the belt, at no point has there been a promo, even a backstage segment where he even says anything about it?

1:33:41 Speaker 3: Like, it's weird to me. Like, he loses the belt to Sami Zayn and then life just kind of goes on. It's just weird. Like, why doesn't that get addressed during a promo at some point? I find that very strange.

1:33:56 Speaker 18: So odd.

1:33:58 Speaker 16: So, yeah, to a point. But I think the angle they're going with the CM Punk doesn't look at Sammy and it gives him any attention. I think it's like, you know, he thinks Sammy is way beneath him. Why even give him the attention? His shot will arise when he when he, you know, he wins money in the bank. Doesn't matter who's there. He's going to take the belt. So he doesn't even acknowledge Sammy Zane as his tribal champion or whatever you want to call it. WWE champion. So I think it's just the fact that he's just, you know, I don't acknowledge you as anything, Sammy.

1:34:31 Speaker 16: You're nothing.

1:34:32 Speaker 3: So whatever.

1:34:33 Speaker 17: Yeah.

1:34:34 Speaker 16: It's kind of the same thing that CM Punk's doing with Kevin Owens. You mentioned, oh, yeah, there's four real big talents that are facing me. Well, there's six people. You, four people. That's five. You don't acknowledge Kevin Owens.

1:34:48 Speaker 3: That was funny.

1:34:49 Speaker 16: Yeah.

1:34:49 Speaker 26: Yeah.

1:34:51 Speaker 16: I think that's the same thing.

1:34:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right.

1:34:55 Speaker 16: He just doesn't want to....

1:34:57 Speaker 28: Yeah.

1:34:58 Speaker 16: So, but yeah, pentidentally for the men, that's my pick on that one.

1:35:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. And what about for the women's Money in the Bank? Do you have a pick?

1:35:08 Speaker 16: I can't really. I mean, you want to go probably with the experience and have Tiffany win, but I can't really put my finger on this one. I don't think Lola's going to win. I don't think Jaycee's going to win. Roxanne, I think she's got her own thing with the Judgment Day and everything like that. I don't think she's going to win. Lash, I think she's too heavy-footed. Maybe Sol. Sol would be a good choice for her. I think Sol has earned it. But she hasn't had.

1:35:47 Speaker 16: A good run so far. She's been, you know, win or lose, win or lose. She hasn't had a good run. I mean, but she's definitely, I think she's definitely over with the crowd. Tiffany basically would be my person that I'd pick. I would pick Tiffany. Unfortunate with the other five ladies who are up and comers. Yeah, I'd pick Tiffany for this one. Okay.

1:36:10 Speaker 28: Okay.

1:36:11 Speaker 16: Who else was in it again?

1:36:15 Speaker 3: There was another name you mentioned that I thought might be a possibility, but who else was in it again? Refresh my memory.

1:36:23 Speaker 16: So you got Sol Ruka, you got Lola Weiss, JC Jane.

1:36:26 Speaker 3: Oh, JC Jane.

1:36:27 Speaker 16: JC Jane's had a title.

1:36:29 Speaker 3: That's who stood out to me, though. I could see her. I think they've got big plans for her. I could actually see her being the one. That's the name that stood out that I couldn't remember who else was in it. Yeah, I think that, yeah, I could see that. I could see that.

1:36:48 Speaker 6: Yeah.

1:36:49 Speaker 16: Fatal Influence has taken it by storm, really, and now that they dropped the tag teams.

1:36:55 Speaker 17: Yeah.

1:36:56 Speaker 16: You might be right. You might be right. Briefcase is in her future.

1:37:01 Speaker 42: Mm-hmm.

1:37:01 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:37:03 Speaker 16: You may be absolutely right, but I'm going to still put my money on Tiffany. I think they're going to go streamline on this one. Okay.

1:37:10 Speaker 3: All right. Is that all the matches? Is there anything we missed?

1:37:16 Speaker 16: No, no. Five matches. And the reason why it's five and not six is because both Money in the Banks, they're ladder matches. I think they're going to give the fans enough.

1:37:23 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:37:24 Speaker 16: Don't need to have a six match for this one. Okay.

1:37:26 Speaker 3: Okay.

1:37:27 Speaker 16: But yeah. And you got two ladders, one triple threat, and you got two behemoth matches going on. So I think it's still a stacked card, even though it's only five matches. What do you think?

1:37:39 Speaker 3: It's going to run three hours.

1:37:43 Speaker 16: It's probably going to run about three hours. Yeah. Six o'clock tonight. I think we're done at nine.

1:37:47 Speaker 3: Where, where is it? I can't remember where, uh, where it is, where they're doing it.

1:37:52 Speaker 16: It's a, it's, it's a Nolans. Oh, that's right. Um, yeah. And, um, I'm, I'm actually glad they're, they're not pushing it back or anything like that, even though they, they were close to getting hit with the hurricane.

1:38:05 Speaker 24: Yeah.

1:38:05 Speaker 16: Um, I think they was just, wind and rain for whatever reason, but I don't think there was like, you know, you, you're not seeing the levees break on this one.

1:38:13 Speaker 3: Right.

1:38:13 Speaker 16: I think everything's fine.

1:38:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good. That's good. Well, Charles, thank you so much. And thank you for your flexibility today. Uh, this is, this has been, uh, this has been quite a morning here. Um, but, um, please, uh, let people know where to find the Charles Richardson show.

1:38:31 Speaker 16: You can find me on Facebook and YouTube. That's probably the two best right there. Facebook, we have a page dedicated to the show. Just search The Charles Richardson Show and do the same thing on YouTube. Search that and join the channel. Subscribe. It doesn't cost you anything, so why even Why even worry about it? But definitely share it. We appreciate all the love and support. And of course, you can listen to it every Wednesday night on IPMNation.com.

1:38:58 Speaker 3: That is true. That is true. Charles, well, thank you so much, my friend. Always wonderful to speak with you. We'll do it again soon. And what's the next event after this? What month are we in? We're in October. So what's next? Survivor Series? Is that the next one?

1:39:14 Speaker 16: I think so. I think you're right. I think Survivor Series is next. We've got the Halloween Havoc.

1:39:19 Speaker 38: Yeah.

1:39:20 Speaker 16: So it's Survivor Series.

1:39:21 Speaker 3: Okay.

1:39:21 Speaker 17: All right.

1:39:22 Speaker 3: We'll be here before you know it.

1:39:24 Speaker 16: That's November. That's in November.

1:39:26 Speaker 28: November.

1:39:26 Speaker 14: Okay.

1:39:27 Speaker 32: All right.

1:39:27 Speaker 3: We'll have to plan for that. All right.

1:39:30 Speaker 16: Well, very good.

1:39:31 Speaker 7: All right.

1:39:31 Speaker 3: Charles Richardson, thank you so much. We'll let you go and we'll talk to you soon.

1:39:35 Speaker 16: Thank you, sir.

1:39:36 Speaker 3: You got it.

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1:49:48 Speaker 3: What a cool sound. I love the vibe on that. That is Stevenson Ranch Davidians. The song is Mythos, and we're going to be speaking with Dwayne Seagraves from the band in just a moment. But welcome, everybody. We have entered our number three Numero Trace of Matt Connerton Unleashed, and we are live from the studios of WMNH.com. 95.3 FM in glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. And of course, you can stream the show from anywhere. Go to mattconnertonunleashed.com for all your live streaming options, social media links, contact info, shows, archives, et cetera, et cetera.

1:50:22 Speaker 3: But right now, let's go ahead and bring this up. And we've got Dwayne Seagraves with us via Restream. Hi, Dwayne.

1:50:31 Speaker 39: Hey, how are you doing? Good, good.

1:50:33 Speaker 3: Uh, I love, I love the sound of, uh, your band. It's so cool.

1:50:39 Speaker 16: Um, well, thank you. Absolutely. Absolutely.

1:50:42 Speaker 3: I was reading that. So, uh, this, uh, the collective, if we can call it that actually started in Southern California. Is that correct?

1:50:52 Speaker 42: Yeah, we started there, I don't know, 20 plus years ago. And, uh, Kind of been doing it since, off and on. We've taken some pretty large breaks here and there, but.

1:51:02 Speaker 16: Yeah.

1:51:02 Speaker 3: Okay.

1:51:03 Speaker 39: We just became active again, really, two years ago.

1:51:06 Speaker 5: Oh, wow.

1:51:07 Speaker 3: Okay. How long was the break between reactivating two years ago and the previous iteration of the band?

1:51:18 Speaker 39: So, like, basically, once COVID hit, that put an end to just about everything.

1:51:23 Speaker 16: Gotcha.

1:51:23 Speaker 39: So, we just... stayed gone for, I don't know, three, two or three years.

1:51:28 Speaker 3: Oh, wow.

1:51:28 Speaker 8: Yeah.

1:51:30 Speaker 3: Um, yeah, a lot of, a lot of artists, you know, continue to make music in some capacity during that period. But it sounds like you just, I mean, did, did you do other projects that were more, um, amenable to that, the sort of isolation that was necessary or, or did you just kind of stop completely for a while?

1:51:49 Speaker 42: We just stopped completely for a while. I mean, we'd done that before we'd taken five year breaks in the past.

1:51:55 Speaker 17: Oh, wow.

1:51:55 Speaker 18: 20 years.

1:51:56 Speaker 16: So, yeah.

1:51:57 Speaker 31: Yeah.

1:51:57 Speaker 38: I don't know.

1:51:58 Speaker 42: It's just one of those things. I can't explain it at all. But, you know, we're back now. We're making music, putting stuff out and we've got a new record made and.

1:52:09 Speaker 39: It's being mixed.

1:52:10 Speaker 42: So we're looking forward to doing more in the future here.

1:52:13 Speaker 3: Oh, fantastic. So I mentioned your roots in Southern California, but you're currently are you in Hudson Valley, New York? Is that correct?

1:52:20 Speaker 16: Yeah, we are.

1:52:21 Speaker 28: Oh, okay.

1:52:22 Speaker 3: Okay. I've heard a lot about Hudson Valley from a podcast host who speaks of it often. But yeah, I mean, is that, what was the reason for the move?

1:52:37 Speaker 39: Um, let me see.

1:52:39 Speaker 42: I think, uh, COVID probably has something to do with that too. You know, being in LA at that time wasn't the greatest thing in the world. So we decided to go a little more rural and we had visited, uh, you know, Hudson Valley on a previous trip to New York and kind of fell in love immediately and just, uh, yeah, got a house out there and, uh, yeah. So the whole band followed us up basically several years later.

1:53:03 Speaker 3: Oh, that's amazing. So, um, and in the band, so of course you're the lead vocalist, rhythm guitarist, and you're the songwriter, correct? You write everything or you're the principal songwriter?

1:53:14 Speaker 16: I do. Yes, sir.

1:53:15 Speaker 17: Excellent. Excellent.

1:53:15 Speaker 18: Yep. Yep.

1:53:16 Speaker 3: Okay. Um, and love, light, beauty, and truth, which we actually played earlier in the show. I, I snuck that in, in the second hour, uh, give kind of give people kind of a preview, but, um, that was, was that originally recorded pre pandemic? And then that's why it didn't come out until recently.

1:53:37 Speaker 39: Are you talking about mythos?

1:53:40 Speaker 7: No.

1:53:40 Speaker 3: Um, love, light, beauty, and truth. Was, was that, was that pre pandemic?

1:53:45 Speaker 16: Oh, that one.

1:53:45 Speaker 37: Okay.

1:53:46 Speaker 39: I'm sorry.

1:53:46 Speaker 16: You're breaking.

1:53:48 Speaker 26: Yeah.

1:53:48 Speaker 17: Yeah.

1:53:49 Speaker 42: All these songs we're releasing now were, uh, pre pandemic recorded.

1:53:52 Speaker 16: Oh, wow.

1:53:53 Speaker 3: Okay.

1:53:54 Speaker 28: Okay.

1:53:54 Speaker 3: Interesting.

1:53:55 Speaker 16: Um, yeah.

1:53:57 Speaker 18: Uh, yeah.

1:53:57 Speaker 16: Okay.

1:53:58 Speaker 3: So it's probably, probably feels good to finally get these out into the world because that's obviously, that's a long time.

1:54:05 Speaker 17: Um, It does.

1:54:07 Speaker 16: It does.

1:54:07 Speaker 42: Now at the time, you know, we didn't really shelve them necessarily because of COVID. We shelved them because I wasn't really thrilled with what we had done at the time, which, you know, it's kind of strange, but because now I absolutely love them. So that just kind of tells you what a little distance and perspective does sometimes with, with music. So yeah, it's kind of a weird situation, but we're happy to be putting them out now.

1:54:34 Speaker 39: People seem to be liking them and, That's great.

1:54:36 Speaker 3: Absolutely. I listened to, well, you know, you sent us a few things and then I listened to some on Bandcamp as well. And no, it's just such a cool sound. I do have to ask you, it's also a cool name. I do have to ask you about the name and not everyone obviously will know the reference, especially, you know, some of the, some of the young people out there might not know the reference, but can you tell us, can you tell us about the name Stevenson Ranch Davidians?

1:55:01 Speaker 25: Yes.

1:55:02 Speaker 42: So it is technically the Stevenson Ranch Davidians.

1:55:04 Speaker 39: I like to clarify that.

1:55:06 Speaker 16: Gotcha.

1:55:06 Speaker 42: Some people leave the the off on posters and stuff like that.

1:55:09 Speaker 3: Okay.

1:55:10 Speaker 39: It's just better with the.

1:55:13 Speaker 42: The name came, so we actually lived in a town called Stevenson Ranch. It's north of LA, off the five up there in Santa Clarita Valley. And at the time, this was like probably... 2006, seven, uh, we were kind of really into the Brian Jonestown massacre, who I'm sure you've heard of.

1:55:31 Speaker 26: Yes.

1:55:31 Speaker 16: And, or maybe, yes.

1:55:33 Speaker 42: So, you know, the drummer in the band was an Uber fan and he, we were trying to come up with a name, could not think of anything. He comes up with this. I immediately said, no, that's crazy. That's too close to the Jonestown massacre, you know, and blah, blah, blah.

1:55:47 Speaker 17: Yeah.

1:55:47 Speaker 42: And they're like, okay, fine, fine. But we just went another month, man, trying to think of something, couldn't think of anything. And finally, it's just like, fine, let's just do this. We'll consider it an homage to the BJMs. At least we're not copying their sound like all the other BJM clone bands are doing.

1:56:03 Speaker 16: So I was like, fine, whatever.

1:56:06 Speaker 42: But now it's stuck, and now I love it, and people seem to really like the name. It's a little hard to remember exactly.

1:56:11 Speaker 39: You know, but whatever.

1:56:13 Speaker 17: Yeah, no, it works.

1:56:15 Speaker 3: It absolutely works. You know, part of the trick, too, of choosing a name, and I'm not telling you anything you don't know, but I always say you want to try to find something that somebody else isn't going to already have because it really sucks if you choose a name and you run with it and you're releasing music under this name and so forth. And then you find out down the line, somebody else is using it. And, you know, it's, it's just, it's good to pick something original and clever that nobody else is going to have.

1:56:41 Speaker 3: And you've obviously done that. And I think that's great.

1:56:44 Speaker 16: Absolutely.

1:56:45 Speaker 17: Yeah.

1:56:45 Speaker 28: Yeah.

1:56:46 Speaker 3: And it's, it's just, it's so cool. Now, now Jessica is your, she's what your partner in the group, right? Because you and Jessica, you're the core of the band. Is that correct?

1:56:58 Speaker 16: Yeah.

1:56:58 Speaker 39: We're the two remaining original members.

1:57:02 Speaker 3: Okay, okay. Now, did the other members stay in California? The other original members, I should say?

1:57:12 Speaker 42: Well, we've had a few members in and out, not unlike the Brian Jonestown Massacre. We've gone through more than our share of drummers and lead guitar players, stuff like that. But the two longest standing members, aside from Jessica and myself, are Sarah and Misha. And they've been in the band for, I don't know, four or five years now.

1:57:32 Speaker 16: Oh, good.

1:57:34 Speaker 42: Yeah, they came out from, they were in Austin, actually. We were spread out for a while doing the band thing, too, which is crazy and kind of hard and expensive. But so they're there now, too. They're in the Hudson Valley and makes things a lot easier. And we have like a rotating lead guitar player, basically, slash pedal steel players that we kind of rotate depending on where we're going and who's available.

1:57:58 Speaker 5: Okay.

1:57:59 Speaker 16: Okay.

1:58:00 Speaker 3: Um, no, that's excellent. And, you know, it gives you some, some flexibility too, obviously. So you're in terms of the new music that you're working on now, did you say you've already started recording or you're going to be recording soon for a new album?

1:58:15 Speaker 42: No, we actually in March of God, I think it was last year. Now we went to Shangri-La in Malibu. That's Rick Rubin studio.

1:58:25 Speaker 39: We didn't work. We didn't work with.

1:58:27 Speaker 42: Rick, but we were fortunate enough to get in there and, with a producer, and we made what we think is the best thing we've ever done. We did that in like 10 days. It was all recorded live. Amazing experience. But a lot of drama surrounded that record. We had a lot of drama with people and band members, and we've done two mixes of the record practically, so we're working on getting the third one done now, and we're looking for a label to properly release it.

1:58:55 Speaker 3: Okay, so it will be out. It's, you know, drama, not with Sam.

1:58:59 Speaker 16: It'll be out.

1:58:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good.

1:59:01 Speaker 42: Yeah, we're looking probably summer of next year.

1:59:04 Speaker 3: Okay, okay. And then, did you guys, did you go and tour Europe? Have you done some European dates?

1:59:12 Speaker 16: Yeah, absolutely.

1:59:13 Speaker 42: Well, pre-COVID, we went out two years in a row for about four and five weeks at a time, and we toured all of Central and Eastern Europe, which was the time of our lives.

1:59:24 Speaker 16: Amazing.

1:59:25 Speaker 3: Oh, I can.

1:59:25 Speaker 42: We're going to be getting. Yeah, we'll get back there. You know, probably this coming spring, we're looking to get back over there. Focus on the UK because it's just a jump, hop, skip and a jump across from New York. You know, it's closer than going to the West Coast, which we're also doing the West Coast thing with a band called Elephant Stone in January.

1:59:46 Speaker 3: Oh, excellent.

1:59:47 Speaker 16: Like four or.

1:59:47 Speaker 39: Five days, four or five dates over there. So yeah, we got things brewing.

1:59:52 Speaker 3: You do.

1:59:52 Speaker 16: You do.

1:59:53 Speaker 3: Absolutely. Absolutely. And then the singles that you've been releasing, are these going to, will these just remain as singles or mythos?

2:00:03 Speaker 35: Yeah.

2:00:06 Speaker 42: We're going to make it, we're going to put those into a release. We're going to have probably seven or eight songs. I guess we're going to call it an album. People don't like EPs as much as they like albums. So we're going to call it an album. It'll be seven or eight songs. This collection that was all recorded, you know, 2018 and shelved for various reasons. And so that'll come out fairly, I think maybe February, January, February.

2:00:31 Speaker 3: Oh, not long at all. Oh, that's great. Okay.

2:00:35 Speaker 42: If we can get it together, I mean, we're kind of slow moving with some things. So, but at the latest this spring, we're going to put something out and we're going to do good PR push for it. And just, we're trying to get momentum going, trying to keep it going and, leading up to the Shangri-La session release.

2:00:52 Speaker 3: Yeah no that's that's amazing fantastic uh well we look forward to that i'm curious too about those european shows that you did were the because you know i almost wouldn't expect your sound i mean i i associate it again you know southern california in terms of your origin made perfect sense to me uh when i was listening to your music but were you surprised at all at how well received i mean obviously you did a lot of dates over there were you surprised by how well received uh your music is in europe No, not really.

2:01:25 Speaker 39: Not really, man.

2:01:26 Speaker 42: I was really kind of surprised specifically, but the Eastern Europe, I'd never even been to Eastern Europe. Well, I have once, I guess, Slovenia, but just on a vacation. They are just all about it there. There's this really interesting vibe in that part of the world that's still, I think it's kind of like left over from like you know, the communist, the Soviet era, which wasn't, didn't end that long ago.

2:01:52 Speaker 32: Right.

2:01:53 Speaker 42: Some of those countries, you know, they were like Soviet satellites. And so they're just basically starving for like Western stuff, I think. And it was really amazing. I met some of the most wonderful, receptive, warm people there and just great, great fans and lovers of the music. So we want to get back there for sure.

2:02:12 Speaker 3: No doubt. Oh, that's fantastic.

2:02:14 Speaker 16: Good, good.

2:02:15 Speaker 3: Well, in a moment, we're going to play, you know, we'll close out our conversation with High Time. This is another one of these great tracks that you sent us. And I do want to encourage people, too, all the music is available on Bandcamp. And, you know, I'm a big proponent of Bandcamp. I love Bandcamp. And something that people don't necessarily realize, and I'm always saying, is when you get your music from Bandcamp, you get a higher quality file than Bandcamp. you know, say you're just streaming it on YouTube or something.

2:02:41 Speaker 3: So, um, I think it's great that your stuff is on there. And I, I did listen to all the tracks that are available on band camp and, uh, no, I just think you have such a cool sound. So I'm really, I'm really glad you were able to join us today, uh, Dwayne.

2:02:52 Speaker 39: Um, I appreciate that opportunity, man. Thank you.

2:02:55 Speaker 3: Absolutely. Absolutely. So we're going to play this track high time in a moment at the end of our conversation. But Dwayne, where should people go online? Where's the best place? Because you've got a lot going on. Where's the best place to go online to keep up with everything that the Stevenson Ranch Davidians are up to?

2:03:11 Speaker 39: I guess I would say Instagram, probably.

2:03:14 Speaker 42: Yeah, we do have a website and it's pretty well updated, but Most of the latest news and stuff is going to be there.

2:03:23 Speaker 39: And plus, you know, we want to get our follower count up. So let's send people there.

2:03:27 Speaker 3: Absolutely. That is very important in the modern music industry. That is for sure.

2:03:31 Speaker 18: It is.

2:03:32 Speaker 39: Yes, it is.

2:03:33 Speaker 3: Well, very good. And well, it sounds like you got new stuff coming too. So we'll have to have you back on the show soon. But Dwayne Seagraves from, of course, the Stevenson Ranch Davidians. Thank you so much for joining us today, my friend.

2:03:47 Speaker 16: Thank you, man.

2:03:48 Speaker 39: I appreciate it.

2:03:49 Speaker 17: All right.

2:03:49 Speaker 16: You got it.

2:03:49 Speaker 3: Take care.

2:03:50 Speaker 16: Bye-bye.

2:03:51 Speaker 39: You too.

2:03:52 Speaker 16: Bye.

2:03:53 Speaker 5: All right.

2:03:53 Speaker 3: Thank you. And we are going to hit this track. This is another great song from the Stevenson Ranch Davidians. And this is called High Time.

2:04:49 Speaker 44: Everybody's talking about the government It's always the same old thing I think we've had enough of it I know we're all sick of being told There's only two ways this thing can.

2:05:00 Speaker 45: Go, yeah How long.

2:05:04 Speaker 44: How long can we go Pretend nothing's wrong I think it's time, yeah Time, time.

2:05:13 Speaker 4: Time, time It's high past high time.

2:05:33 Speaker 44: Yeah, we did something right.

2:05:36 Speaker 46: I hear some people talking about fighting.

2:05:39 Speaker 44: And righting all these wrongs before it's all gone.

2:05:44 Speaker 5: Don't you know there's a war going on?

2:05:46 Speaker 44: You're gonna have to choose which side you're on now.

2:05:50 Speaker 21: How long?

2:05:52 Speaker 44: Did you think you wouldn't pay for the things you've done now?

2:05:56 Speaker 5: We've had it too good for too long.

2:05:58 Speaker 7: Now the time has come.

2:06:00 Speaker 5: It's high past high time.

2:06:18 Speaker 4: It's hot, hot, hot time.

2:06:22 Speaker 9: Yeah, we did something right. Hot time, yeah. Hot time, yeah.

2:07:01 Speaker 18: Thank you.

2:07:53 Speaker 7: Think it's half bad, God's lie.

2:07:50 Speaker 4: I think it's.

2:07:53 Speaker 6: High, bad, god, god.

2:08:29 Speaker 3: Right now on Matt Connerton Unleashed, we have the world radio premiere of the new single from Awaiting Abigail. This is called Backstabber.

2:08:40 Speaker 1: You are listening to WMNH 95.3.

2:08:42 Speaker 21: World premiere.

2:08:54 Speaker 28: I thought.

2:09:02 Speaker 13: I knew, knew you better than that Gave you what you want.

2:09:06 Speaker 6: Don't say I didn't.

2:09:07 Speaker 5: First time I think, oh, you act different.

2:09:12 Speaker 8: I thought I knew, knew better than that But your smile and my face talk behind my back Give me what you want, don't say I didn't First time I seen all you acting friends.

2:09:24 Speaker 10: Dead end, going back on what you used to say then Heard you call me what you used to call them I don't.

2:09:33 Speaker 41: Really understand the problem, you're the problem.

2:09:40 Speaker 5: I used to trust you.

2:09:42 Speaker 11: Wish I knew then you've got issues. Left behind your bed, guess I was blind. Secretly jealous of me.

2:09:50 Speaker 7: The whole time.

2:09:52 Speaker 12: Your two-faced needs to get your story straight. I got the screenshot, but you won't see it in my face. When you see me, it's a different energy.

2:10:02 Speaker 9: Try to test me.

2:10:04 Speaker 8: I thought I knew, knew better than that But you smiled in my face, walked behind me back Gave you what you wanted, say I didn't First time I seen you, you act different I thought I knew you better than that But you smiled in my face, talked behind my back Gave you what you wanted, say I didn't First time.

2:10:28 Speaker 9: I seen, now you act different.

2:10:30 Speaker 6: Dead end, going back on what.

2:10:33 Speaker 10: You used to say Then heard you call me what you used to call them.

2:10:38 Speaker 8: I don't really understand the problem, you're the problem Didn't think I'd.

2:10:49 Speaker 15: Hear what you did.

2:10:58 Speaker 13: Thought that this would last.

2:11:02 Speaker 4: My whole.

2:11:23 Speaker 10: Going back on what you used to say then Heard you call me what you used to call them I don't really understand the problem You're the problem Guess.

2:11:36 Speaker 13: All I knew, knew you better than them But you smiled in my face, talked behind my back Gave you what you wanted, said.

2:11:44 Speaker 5: I didn't First time I seen.

2:11:46 Speaker 8: You, you act different I thought I knew you better than that But you smiled in my face, talked behind my back Gave you what you wanted.

2:11:58 Speaker 9: Say I didn't First time I seen you.

2:12:00 Speaker 3: You act different That is brand new from Awaiting Abigail. The track is called Backstabber. And you heard it here first on FM radio right here on Matt Connerton Unleashed. And we are live from the studios of WMNH 95.3 FM in glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. Of course, you can stream the show from anywhere. Go to mattconnertonunleashed.com. And a couple things in the music industry news that I thought were interesting. And we'll see how I do with these because, of course, I've been sick. My throat keeps drying up.

2:12:35 Speaker 3: But we'll see if I can get through these. I have been hydrating, of course, with lots of water. But this is from digitalmusicnews.com. Kanye West. We haven't heard much from him lately. Probably just as well. But it says here... It's a new story here. Kanye West tries to remove pages of his extreme anti-Semitism from a copyright court battle. Federal judge shuts him down. Yeah, you're not going to outrun that stuff, dude. It says here a federal judge has rejected Kanye's attempt to strike references to his past anti-Semitic statements from Alice Merton's copyright lawsuit against him.

2:13:10 Speaker 3: Now, I didn't even know about this copyright lawsuit against him, so sounds like there's a lot to this as I take a gulp of my water. My throat is in rough shape. Might have to go play some more music.

2:13:25 Speaker 16: I don't know.

2:13:25 Speaker 3: We'll see. We'll see how we do. Kanye West, the disgraced rapper. Again, this is from Digital Music News. The disgraced rapper attempted to strike references. to his past anti-Semitic statements and behavior, as well as German artist Alice Merton's family connections to the Holocaust. See, I didn't know about this. From the copyright lawsuit she filed against him last year. I mean, I knew about the anti-Semitic stuff. I didn't know about this, the Alice Merton thing specifically. But on Thursday, a federal judge rejected those efforts, ruling that that the references are relevant and explain why Merton denied the clearance request in the first place.

2:14:14 Speaker 3: Merton sued Kanye West in March last year for allegedly using an uncleared sample of her song Blindside in his track Gun to My Head. She had explicitly denied clearance because she is a descendant of Holocaust survivors and Kanye West has a very well-documented history of anti-Semitism. Judge Fernando L. Anil Rocha, I'm sure I butchered that. My apologies, Your Honor, wrote this, quote, The court finds that the allegations concerning Merton's background of Kanye West's alleged remarks are not unduly prejudicial and may have some bearing on the litigation, including potentially at trial, to explain...

2:15:00 Speaker 3: plaintiff's rationale for denying defendants use of plaintiff's song. The rapper's career took a nosedive following his rampant descent into empty Semitism beginning in 2022. He engaged in years of public hate speech, both in interviews and posts on social media, sold swastika merchandise on his website, praised Hitler and proclaimed himself a Nazi. West's attempt to erase his years of hateful statements and actions by issuing a lengthy full page apology was in the Wall Street Journal, hasn't had the effect he intended.

2:15:33 Speaker 3: That's a lot to come back from, dude. He blamed his behavior on his bipolar disorder and the brain damage he allegedly suffered from a 2002 car crash. Nevertheless, he has been denied entry into several countries and venues while promoting his album, Bully. We did talk about that on the show, too, some of the issues he was having in terms of touring internationally because of that. He wrote, I guess this was from his apology, quote, However, He has still played to massive crowds in a run of stadium shows this year, including Englewood's SoFi Stadium, San Antonio's Alamo Dome, and Tampa's Raymond James Stadium.

2:16:34 Speaker 3: I'm actually surprised by that, that he's even able to do that, because who would want to work with the guy? Because if you accept his apology at face value, and I'm not even saying that you shouldn't, Or that you should. But I'm just saying, even if you do, from a business perspective, do you want to risk that he's just going to go right back to that and then just blame his bipolar disorder or something? By the way, I have known other people. I've certainly had people in my life with bipolar disorder.

2:17:11 Speaker 3: I don't know of any of them suddenly deciding that they were Nazis. Maybe that's a thing. I don't know. I mean, to hear him tell it, it is, I'm just saying, I personally haven't seen that. Um, there can be challenges, uh, certainly when dealing with someone who, uh, is bipolar, but, uh, you know, not like, uh, what we saw with this guy, just an observation. Again, you do, you, you know, take his apology, how you want to take it. But, and apparently some people in the music industry took it as legitimate, I guess.

2:17:52 Speaker 3: They were willing to do business with him. I'm just surprised that, you know, you don't just get to go play a stadium without Making the people you're doing business with at every level feel like you're okay and that you're contrite, I guess, right? So I'm actually surprised. I didn't know. I mean, I knew he'd been active. I didn't know he'd been doing these massive shows.

2:18:18 Speaker 16: Okay.

2:18:18 Speaker 3: Anyway, so that's the latest on him. Let's see. Throat's holding up okay for the moment. Also from digitalmusicnews.com, Olivia Rodrigo. apparently has this festival, Daisy Chain Fields Festival, has gone into damage control after vendors say they were not paid. Festivals, you know, we talk about festivals a lot on the show because whenever one of our guests mentions that they've been playing festivals or that they have festivals coming up that they're going to be playing, I tell everybody, Festivals are the best opportunity you could ask for, because not only is it a chance to get you in front of audiences, large audiences that would not otherwise have seen you or know of you, and you can really expand your fan base, but also the connections that you make at festivals, the people you meet backstage at every level of the business.

2:19:11 Speaker 3: It's the best networking opportunity you could ask for. The thing about festivals, though, is, and we've talked about, this has come up on the show before, too, what was it, the guys from Legion of Solace, when they were here, they were talking about the Blue Ridge Rock Festival, is that what it was, where they had a very negative experience, or there was a country festival a couple of years ago where they tried to put this huge festival together in just a couple of months, and the whole thing kind of fell apart at the last minute.

2:19:39 Speaker 3: Festivals can be very difficult in terms of logistics, and actually turning a profit. And there's a lot of risk. The concert promotion, the business of concert promotion, is inherently very risky. Concert promoters lose money all the time. And I feel for the lower and mid-size, mid-level promoters who really struggle with that. I've seen a lot of that up close and even experienced a little bit of it. Um, I don't feel sorry for live nation when they lose money on something because they're live nation, whatever, who cares?

2:20:17 Speaker 3: But, but I do feel, you know, I, I, I do feel something for anybody who's trying to do a festival and something goes wrong and you end up losing money.

2:20:26 Speaker 17: It sucks.

2:20:27 Speaker 3: Um, but apparently this went very wrong. It says here at least two vendors claim that Olivia Rodrigo's Live Nation-produced Daisy Chain Fields Festival not only failed to pay them, but also issued costly fees. Let me take a gulp of water here. Olivia Rodrigo's inaugural Daisy Chain Fields Festival, so this was the first one that explains why I haven't heard of it, was a major success with its charitable focus on reproductive rights, fighting gender-based violence, and its all-woman lineup. But at least two vendors alleged they suffered poor working conditions, costly fees, and late payments.

2:21:11 Speaker 3: Both vendors have now confirmed that they have received their payments since raising the issue on social media. Well, that's good. At least they got their money. Mary Chacon? Owner of Ugly Oats Kitchen, one of the vendors who had not been paid, said, quote, Two Daisy Chain Fields executives reached out to me to discuss our experience. They were kind, apologetic, and genuinely interested in addressing our issues. They are looking to implement changes to improve the experiences of vendors next year, unquote.

2:21:45 Speaker 3: Okay, that sounds positive. But just a day before, Chaconne took to Instagram to share her company's festival experience. explaining that their point of contact for the event, DLS Events, had only provided piecemeal information on setup, didn't tell them about a free staff food area, and said the festival would fine them if they ran out of food for guests. Now, I want to stop on that for a moment. Because that is a common tale. Whenever we talk about things going wrong at festivals, and again, you know, because I know a lot of industry, music industry people listen to the show, so you'll know this.

2:22:32 Speaker 3: What inevitably almost always comes up when we talk about things going wrong at festivals? Communication. Communication sucks. That's, again, and, you know, I keep thinking about this when the guys, Bruce and Malcolm, from Legion of Solace were here the last time for Swarmy Fest. They were talking about that was their experience at the Blue Ridge. I can't remember the exact name. Blue Ridge Rock, Blue Ridge Mountain Rock Festival thing. The communication was just terrible. You know, there was a lot of information that the promoters never shared with them that they should have known because they were sponsors of the event.

2:23:10 Speaker 3: Because again, Legion of Solace, it sounds like the name of a band, but it's not the name of a band. It's the name of a promotional company. And, um, they were one of the sponsors of the event and there's a lot of things that they were not told so that they would like to have known. Uh, but that is such a common problem. And again, it's, it's, it happens with festivals because first of all, human beings in general, aren't that great at communication. Um, but, uh, You know, and you've got creative types trying to do business.

2:23:46 Speaker 3: You know, you've got to have business people doing business and letting the creative people do the creative part. There's a lot that can go wrong when art meets commerce. But communication, communication breaking down is not only is it super common, but it's probably the number one origin point of everything else that goes wrong. Not just at a festival, but in life.

2:24:11 Speaker 6: Right.

2:24:12 Speaker 7: Right?

2:24:14 Speaker 16: Miscommunications.

2:24:16 Speaker 3: It's what causes a conflict and misunderstandings and everything that goes wrong in life. So, so I guess what I'm saying is, and I hadn't planned on making this point, but it, it just seems so salient. So I'll go ahead and say it. Uh, festivals are a microcosm of life. There you go. There you go. The pearl of wisdom. such that I should just stop the show right there. There's nothing I can say after that that will be smarter or wiser than what I just said. Festivals are a microcosm of life.

2:24:49 Speaker 17: No, maybe not.

2:24:51 Speaker 3: What did I say to Ricky Mapleton last week when he was here that he really liked? I said, everything is all things and all things are everything. And, you know, that resonated with him. Okay, so getting back to this, So this company, this vendor, Ugly Oats, what was it? Ugly Oats something. Ugly Oats. Ugly Oats Kitchen, which is a fun name. They're one of the vendors. Let me reread this paragraph. Chacon took to Instagram to share her company's festival experience, explaining that their point of content, of contact for the event, rather, DLS events, had only provided piecemeal information on setup, didn't tell them about a free staff food area, and said the festival would fine them if they ran out of food for guests.

2:25:40 Speaker 3: She explained, quote, Ugly Oats is a micro-bakery run out of my apartment. I, as a mom investing my own money, have no extra funds. I am forever grateful for the opportunity to be present at a historic feminist event, unquote. Yeah, that's a thing, too. You don't... If you are running a festival, you don't want to be pushing your vendors around, threatening them, we're going to fine you if you run out of food and stuff like that. Don't do that. That's not necessary.

2:26:20 Speaker 16: It's not as though.

2:26:23 Speaker 3: It's not as though the vendor is showing up there being like, you know, hopefully we brought enough food, but if not, what's it matter? You know, they want to show up prepared because they want to make a good intention. They want to make a good impression. They're trying to expand their customer base by being a, it's the same reason that the artists are there performing. The artists are there to, to expand their fan bases. The vendors are there to expand their customer bases. It was not like they're showing up like, ah, if we run out of food, who cares?

2:26:52 Speaker 3: No, they want to, they're there to make money and build their businesses and Why would you threaten them like, we're going to fine you if you run out of food? GTFO with that. That's not cool.

2:27:07 Speaker 47: It says here, the custom fortune cookie company, Por Suerte, which I'm sure I didn't pronounce correctly, which is the other.

2:27:22 Speaker 3: Vendor that reported payment issues and a less-than-ideal experience at the festival also shared an update confirming that executives from daisy chain fields had reached out to them quote dcf organizers were very receptive to feedback unquote they wrote noting that they had since been paid in full. Now that, okay, so credit for that. You know, they didn't try to blow it off. They didn't try to ignore it. They dealt with it. Obviously, it should have been handled correctly the first time, like anything, but they did handle it.

2:27:52 Speaker 3: After the event, Olivia Rodrigo shared on social media that Daisy Chain Fields was, quote, the greatest joy of my career and that the event felt like a collective hope that things can get better and a reminder of how much we really care about people at the end of the day, unquote. So not a terrible story. I mean, obviously things went wrong. But it was the first one of the Daisy Chain Fields Festival. Now, if a year from now we're hearing horror stories about the second one, then we might say, well, you know, get it together.

2:28:24 Speaker 3: But honestly, for the first year of that festival, it sounds like overall things weren't awful. And hopefully everyone learned something. Let's see. Will my throat hold out for one more thing?

2:28:38 Speaker 18: Okay. Okay.

2:28:39 Speaker 3: This is from music ally.com. One more music industry story. And then we're going to start to wrap up because, um, again, my, I'm sick and my throat keeps drying up. And that's why if you notice, if you're listening, if you keep hearing awkward pauses, it's me pushing the button and muting myself because I have to cough. Uh, so, and I know this is going around right now and there's a lot of people sick. So I'm sorry if, uh, if you're a sick as well, I'm not, I'm not trying to whine. I'm actually feeling the best I have felt in, in the past few days.

2:29:10 Speaker 3: So I'm definitely past the worst of it. I'm glad I didn't have any in studio guests today. Cause I didn't have to worry about shaking hands with people and spreading my illness. Um, but anyway, um, I, I feel like I'm getting, I'm in the last stage of it. So, uh, music ally.com. This is a story that relates to, um, Meta and TikTok engage in a tit-for-tat ad ban on their platforms. So if you're a fan of social media titans beef, prepare to record your direct-to-camera rage bait hot take. Meta, the parent company of Instagram and Facebook, has banned ads from ByteDance from running on its platforms in the U.S. as well as some other territories, including Canada, Japan, and Thailand.

2:29:58 Speaker 3: It follows TikTok rejecting ads from Meta from running on its platforms. This is like a social media Cold War. Those rejected meta ads called on TikTok and other platforms to also settle in that U.S. child safety lawsuit and were booted off TikTok due to their, quote, political content. Meta recently racked up nearly a billion dollars in fines relating to online child safety. In some ways, this is very normal stuff. Why would you advertise a competitor on your own platform? One interesting question might be, okay, but why did you accept their ads before now?

2:30:41 Speaker 3: But also, it speaks to the depths of competition between the two companies' platforms. ByteDance is the company that used to own TikTok in the U.S., but now. After TikTok's U.S. entity was forced to be spun off to local owners, netting allegedly a hefty fee for the administration. So while it doesn't control the app in users' hands, it still owns things like its brand rights, the underlying tech IP, intellectual property, and 20% of the U.S.-based joint venture itself. Meanwhile, as reported in Music Allies' Marketing Weekly newsletter, it is advertising week in New York.

2:31:22 Speaker 3: And seeing both Meta and TikTok have announced new agentic AI advertising features, it's fun to imagine that each platform's AI ad agents are currently arguing with each other somewhere. So there you go. All right, what we are going to do right now, because my throat cannot handle much more, we're going to play, I think, one more song from.

2:31:51 Speaker 3: The Stevenson Ranch Davidians, because I really like this project a lot. This isn't one of the ones that they sent me to play, but I'm going to play it anyway, because I just love this band. And then we'll come back and we'll kind of wrap up and say goodbye. But this is called Shine On. I've got everything from the Stevenson Ranch Davidians.

2:32:57 Speaker 6: It's a new day.

2:33:00 Speaker 7: In a new age.

2:33:03 Speaker 6: It's the right time for.

2:33:06 Speaker 21: A new phase.

2:33:08 Speaker 14: Got a lot of things going our way.

2:33:13 Speaker 17: Got a good shot.

2:33:17 Speaker 7: If we want change.

2:33:20 Speaker 6: Get your head straight.

2:33:23 Speaker 7: Get your mind right.

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2:33:54 Speaker 9: .

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2:33:56 Speaker 45: In the distance If we.

2:34:15 Speaker 7: Offer No.

2:34:18 Speaker 9: Resistance We got love Yeah We got.

2:34:24 Speaker 41: Life Let it shine now Yeah Yeah Yeah.

2:34:33 Speaker 9: Yeah Yeah Shine on Yeah Shine on Shine on Yeah Shine on.

2:35:07 Speaker 18: Bye.

2:35:07 Speaker 10: Bye.

2:35:43 Speaker 18: Bye. Bye.

2:36:21 Speaker 8: Let it shine on me.

2:36:51 Speaker 11: Thank you.

2:37:21 Speaker 3: I love that band. That is so good. That is so good. The Stevenson Ranch Davidians. Well, and, uh, thank you to, uh, geez, maybe we will play one more to close us out. Um, Actually, maybe the universe is trying to tell me that, but yeah, another one started playing, but I do love them. And thank you again to Dwayne from the band for joining us today on the show. And of course, everybody, we talked to our friend, Charles Richardson from the Charles Richardson show. Always nice to talk with him. Let's see.

2:37:52 Speaker 3: Of course, Sticky, we talked to, or I did it again, not Sticky, Sickie. We talked to, although it took a while to get him on the line with us because of a technical problem on his end, but he figured it out, and we will have him back. And thank you to everybody who joined us today. You know, we had a couple of challenges today, but it was a fun show. But I do think, again, because my throat is not holding up as well as I'd like, and it is the end of the show, so maybe we will sneak one more in. This song was called I've Got Everything from the Stevenson Ranch Davidians.

2:38:26 Speaker 3: I think we'll sneak one more in to close us out, to end the show today. But if you missed any part of today's show, it will be up in just a little bit at wmnhradio.org. Of course, at my website, mattconnerton.com. And don't forget the new site, mattconnertonunleashed.com. Also, if you are listening live on Saturday, be sure to keep an eye on your social media because tonight, after the WWE Money in the Bank Premium Live event, Eric Pilcher and I will be on with a special live stream. of tough bumps and tough bumps has been on a little bit of a hiatus but we are back all right that's going to do it for us i'm going to give my uh give my throat a rest a rest and i'm sure uh i'm sure next week i'll be uh back in prime form like i said i've definitely turned the corner feeling better but uh not quite there let's go ahead and play this this is called i've got everything one more from the stevenson ranch davidians and i'll talk to you a little bit later bye everybody.

2:39:33 Speaker 43: I know you're getting tired of hearing me talking, hearing me talking.

2:39:49 Speaker 46: I'm always going on about something else. I know you're getting tired of hearing me bitchin', hearing me bitchin'. But the world has gone to hell. I know you're getting tired of seeing me tryin', seeing me tryin'..

2:40:23 Speaker 4: ¶ To keep.

2:40:25 Speaker 46: This dream from dying ¶ ¶ I know you're getting tired ¶ ¶ Of seeing me searching ¶ ¶ Seeing me searching ¶ ¶ I know, I know, I know ¶ ¶ I got everything that any sane man should want ¶ I got everything that any sane man could need Yeah.

2:41:04 Speaker 48: But I'll always be looking.

2:41:08 Speaker 15: I'll always be.

2:41:13 Speaker 45: Looking I'll always be looking for more.

2:41:19 Speaker 48: Yeah I know you're getting tired of seeing me looking, seeing me.

2:41:49 Speaker 49: Looking For all the little things I think I need I know you're getting tired of seeing me searching, seeing me searching Thank you.

2:42:36 Speaker 48: I know you're getting.

2:42:39 Speaker 5: Tired of seeing me dreaming.

2:42:41 Speaker 7: Seeing me dreaming.

2:42:45 Speaker 46: But someone's got a dream.

2:42:48 Speaker 38: I've got everything that any sane man should want. I got everything that any sane.

2:43:01 Speaker 4: Man could need.

2:43:04 Speaker 18: Yeah.

2:43:07 Speaker 6: But I'll always be looking I'll.

2:43:12 Speaker 9: Always be looking I'll always be looking I'll always be looking I've.

2:43:28 Speaker 38: Got love, I've got life, I've got it all.

2:43:32 Speaker 9: Man But I'll always be looking.

2:43:37 Speaker 43: I've got love, I've got life, I've got.

2:43:40 Speaker 5: It all, man.

2:43:42 Speaker 9: But I'll always be looking. I'll always be looking.

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2:45:23 Speaker 3: Right now on Matt Connerton Unleashed, we have the world radio premiere of the new single from Awaiting Abigail. This is called Backstabber.

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2:45:35 Speaker 21: World premiere.

2:45:47 Speaker 4: I thought.

2:45:55 Speaker 5: I knew, knew better than that. Give me what you want.

2:45:59 Speaker 6: Don't say I didn't.

2:46:01 Speaker 5: First time I think, oh, you act different.

2:46:06 Speaker 8: I thought I knew, knew better than that But you smiled at my face, talked behind my back Gave me what you want, don't say I didn't First time I seen all you acting friends Dead.

2:46:18 Speaker 9: End, going back on what.

2:46:20 Speaker 10: You used to say then Heard you call me what you used.

2:46:24 Speaker 41: To call them I don't really understand the problem, you're the.

2:46:31 Speaker 5: Problem I used to trust you.

2:46:36 Speaker 11: Wish I knew then you've got issues. Knife behind your back, guess I was blind. Secretly jealous of me the whole time.

2:46:45 Speaker 12: Your two-face needs to get your story straight. I got the screenshot, but you won't see it in my face. When you see me, it's.

2:46:53 Speaker 6: A different energy.

2:46:55 Speaker 5: Try to test me.

2:46:58 Speaker 8: I thought I knew, knew better than that But you smiled in my face, talked behind my back Gave.

2:47:05 Speaker 4: You what you wanted, said.

2:47:07 Speaker 5: I didn't First time I seen you, you act different.

2:47:10 Speaker 8: I thought I knew, knew better than that But you smiled in my face, talked behind my back Gave you what you wanted, said I didn't First.

2:47:21 Speaker 9: Time I've seen girl you act different Dead.

2:47:25 Speaker 10: End, going back on what she used to say Then heard you call me what she used to call them I don't really understand the problem, you're the.

2:47:36 Speaker 5: Problem Didn't think.

2:47:40 Speaker 15: I'd hear what you did.

2:47:51 Speaker 5: Thought that this would.

2:47:53 Speaker 4: Last my whole life.

2:48:17 Speaker 10: Going back on what you used to say then Heard you call me what you used to.

2:48:22 Speaker 41: Call them I don't really understand the problem You're.

2:48:28 Speaker 13: The problem That's all I knew, knew you better than that But you smiled in my face, talked behind my back.

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2:55:12 Speaker 17: This is Jesse Rutstein and.

2:55:14 Speaker 40: Caleb Dyer.

2:55:16 Speaker 18: Oh.

2:55:16 Speaker 40: Okay, let's do that one more time.

2:55:19 Speaker 17: This is Jesse Rutstein and.

2:55:21 Speaker 40: Caleb Dyer.

2:55:22 Speaker 16: Oh, crap.

2:55:23 Speaker 17: Hold on.

2:55:23 Speaker 40: What do you want me to say right after that?

2:55:25 Speaker 35: From Hatchet, Axe, and Saw.

2:55:26 Speaker 40: From Hatchet, Axe, and Saw.

2:55:27 Speaker 16: And then I'll say you're listening to. Sounds good.

2:55:29 Speaker 17: This is Jesse Rutstein and.

2:55:31 Speaker 18: Oh.

2:55:34 Speaker 17: This is why I'm the leader. This is Jesse Rutstein and.

2:55:39 Speaker 40: Caleb Dyer from Hatchet, Axe, and Saw Records.

2:55:42 Speaker 17: You are listening to the Matt Connerton Show on WMNH 95.3 Manchester. That's really bad.

2:55:49 Speaker 16: What did I say?

2:55:52 Speaker 7: Okay, all right, all right.

2:55:53 Speaker 40: What did I say? Let's do this again.

2:55:56 Speaker 17: This is Jesse Rutstein and Caleb Dyer from Hatchet, Axe, and Saw Records. You are listening to Matt Connerton Unleashed on 95.3 WNH.

2:56:04 Speaker 16: F * * * off, dude.

2:56:10 Speaker 17: This is Jesse Rutstein.

2:56:12 Speaker 40: And Caleb Dyer from Hatchet, Axe & Saw Records.

2:56:15 Speaker 17: You are listening to Matt Connerton Unleashed on 95.3 WMNH-FM.

2:56:55 Speaker 14: When I was a kid, I got my face up there, not toilets. with dookie inside them. I wasn't always a stupid punk, but when I was, I was a chump. I didn't always look handsome.

2:57:23 Speaker 5: I used to have pimples filled with pus.

2:57:37 Speaker 14: Feels like someone is chopping their tape out of my heart. I ride the unicycle with no seat on the bumpy road of life. I ride the unicycle with no seat on the bumpy road of life.

2:58:17 Speaker 4: When I was in.

2:58:18 Speaker 14: School Didn't make good grades I was just a big dumb fool When I was still young All I cared about was girls But they didn't like my pimples I used to be such a stupid dork Day and night, crying on the floor My milk money.

2:58:46 Speaker 5: Taken when I was growing up.

2:58:51 Speaker 14: I remember all the bad times and pick.

2:58:57 Speaker 5: Them apart.

2:58:59 Speaker 7: It feels like someone is shoving me.

2:59:07 Speaker 5: Bye. Bye.

2:59:08 Speaker 7: Bye.