Matt Connarton Unleashed 10-17-26

0:03 Speaker 1: You're listening to Matt Connerton Unleashed on WMNH 95.3.

0:36 Speaker 2: Wait, are we too late?

0:44 Speaker 3: And I can't figure out the time. I was the time, but still you wait. And I can't, I can't.

1:05 Speaker 4: And God will know.

1:25 Speaker 5: Hey, are we too late? I'm just keeping you out of my mind. Well, I will die.

3:08 Speaker 3: Well, I will die.

3:40 Speaker 6: Yeah, that ought to get your blood pumping. This song is called Afterthought. The band is God's Go First, and they're going to be joining me on the show a little bit later. Welcome, everybody. This is Matt Connerton Unleashed, and we are live from the studios of WMNH 95.3 FM in glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. And, of course, you can stream the show from anywhere. Go to mattconnertonunleashed.com for all of your live streaming options. social media links, contact info, show archives, et cetera, et cetera.

4:08 Speaker 6: Today is a Saturday, October 17, 2026. I do want to remind you that Matt Connerton Unleashed is brought to you by Matt Connerton Hypnosis. If you're ready to take the next step to positive change, which we're going to be talking about some other ways to take steps to positive change. this morning, but go to my website, mattconnerton.com. That's Matt, C-O-N-N-A-R-T-O-N.com. And we're also sponsored by our friends at Xtrilly Rideshare, now available in New Hampshire. One clear price, no surprises.

4:38 Speaker 6: You can book your next ride at Xtrilly.com. That is X-T-R-I-L-L-I.com slash ride 953. And right now we've got a couple of friends with us. Well, actually, so one of our friends here is someone we haven't seen on the show in a long time. Actually, we were talking off air. I thought you had been here in the new studio since we moved over here, but apparently you have not, which shows just how long it's been. But Elizabeth Ropp, the acupunct is here.

5:06 Speaker 7: It's great to be back. Thank you.

5:08 Speaker 6: It's been literally years, years and years.

5:10 Speaker 2: Yeah.

5:10 Speaker 7: Pre-pandemic.

5:11 Speaker 6: Yeah. Maybe it doesn't seem like it because we've run into you other places, but yeah, it's shocking to me that it's been that long. Do you still call yourself the acupunct?

5:21 Speaker 7: I am an acupunct among a few acupuncts.

5:23 Speaker 6: Oh, you are an acupunct. See, I thought you were the acupunct.

5:26 Speaker 7: No, I'm not the acupunct. I'm one of the few acupuncts who work at the Manchester Acupuncture Studio.

5:32 Speaker 6: Oh, okay.

5:33 Speaker 7: Manchester Acupuncture Studio is at the Eastside Plaza up on Hanover Street.

5:37 Speaker 6: See, I had some ideas for trademarks and stuff I was going to run by, but now that I know that you're not the acupunct, I guess that'll go.

5:42 Speaker 7: No, acupunct is a term. I mean, I could be, but I think there are a lot, I have a lot of colleagues who would take issue with that. So it's a term that has been utilized amongst community acupuncturists for decades now. So Manchester acupuncture studio, if, if, if you're listening and you've not heard of us or have you not thought about us, we're a low cost affordable community acupuncture clinic. And we're part of a kind of a national movement of acupuncturists who choose to practice this way. low-cost group setting, and we call ourselves acupuncts.

6:18 Speaker 7: And that term came from an acupuncturist that I know in Portland, Oregon, who kind of- Oh, okay. Yep, yep.

6:25 Speaker 6: Okay, that makes sense. That makes sense. Well, and you brought an associate with you. I'll let you introduce this gentleman over here.

6:31 Speaker 7: Yes, I brought along my good friend, an award-winning licensed drug counselor, Jeff Davis from Manchester Mental Health.

6:42 Speaker 4: Excellent.

6:42 Speaker 7: All around amazing person.

6:44 Speaker 9: Okay.

6:45 Speaker 7: And also one of, so I'm a trainer of ear acupuncture. Jeff is an acupuncture detoxification specialist.

6:51 Speaker 6: Okay.

6:52 Speaker 7: And he trains with me and my boss now from Andy Wegman from Manchester acupuncture studio.

6:56 Speaker 6: Oh, no kidding. Oh, well, welcome Jeff.

6:59 Speaker 10: Hi.

7:00 Speaker 6: Um, yeah. So tell us a little, I mean, obviously, uh, Elizabeth, uh, told us some, but tell us more. Tell us more about your background and what you do, how you do it. Obviously, this is something I'm very interested in. As a hypnotherapist, I help people with addictions and things like that, but take us into the weeds. I want to know more about what you do.

7:20 Speaker 10: Okay.

7:21 Speaker 9: Well, in my primary job, I'm not allowed to put needles in people's ears because, I don't know, liability, that kind of stuff.

7:29 Speaker 6: Well, you need the Correct training, right?

7:31 Speaker 7: Except there is liability insurance for ADSs, but separate.

7:34 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah. Separate.

7:37 Speaker 9: So I first heard about your acupuncture probably.

7:43 Speaker 6: … Jeff, can we … I'm sorry. Can we get that mic a little closer to you or have you linked? Probably about 45 years ago.

7:48 Speaker 11: Okay.

7:51 Speaker 9: An acupuncturist, addictionologist, psychiatrist opened an inpatient detoxification unit in Baton Rouge. At that point, I was a very, very young professional, and I went to hear her speak about it. And I was dumb enough when she said, hey, has anybody here ever thought about acupuncture? getting acupuncture. I was dumb enough to raise my hand. And I'm like, Oh, I'm interviewing for jobs with these people. Everybody's more experienced than I am. She said, you sir, you'll do come on up on stage.

8:26 Speaker 10: Yeah. Oh my God.

8:27 Speaker 12: So, um, I'm.

8:29 Speaker 9: Sweating and panting and terrified. Went up, she put needles in my ears and like five minutes later, I'm like, what the heck was on those needles?

8:40 Speaker 10: Yeah.

8:41 Speaker 9: Why am I so chill now? What, you know, it was an amazing, amazing process.

8:47 Speaker 2: Okay.

8:47 Speaker 6: And, uh, so with, so just to be clear with immediate results, right?

8:52 Speaker 13: Yeah.

8:52 Speaker 6: You immediately noticed. Okay.

8:54 Speaker 10: Yep.

8:55 Speaker 9: A few minutes. I'm like, wow, wow. This is, I am, I feel so much different. I am so much calmer. I'm not anxious. My thoughts are not racing. My breathing is no longer fast. Everything just chilled.

9:07 Speaker 6: Yeah.

9:09 Speaker 9: And so fast forward to, what, 2017? So maybe 30 years later, I am at Hope for New Hampshire Recovery, and I see this wonderful woman putting needles in people's ears. I'm like, I have not had this happen since, you know, I was 30, which was a long time ago. So I'm like, right away, what is this? How do we do it? And I started bringing my patients. to Hope for New Hampshire Recovery, to get ear acupuncture by Elizabeth.

9:43 Speaker 6: Oh, no kidding.

9:44 Speaker 9: And I was like, okay, so how do I get trained to do this? She made it happen, so I got trained.

9:50 Speaker 12: To do this.

9:52 Speaker 9: And so I held certificate number 14 in the state of New Hampshire, so I was kind of an early adopter wow uh we just finished a training and are now getting certificates number 141 and 142 okay yeah we should back up so I used to come on that show.

10:15 Speaker 7: When the radio station was on Elm Street eight, nine years ago, just to talk about a pathway for certification where Jeff doesn't have to become a fully licensed acupuncturist, which takes four years, to be an acupuncture detoxification specialist, which is a certification that exists in over 20 other states. I think we might have been the 25th state in the country to create a pathway for certification for acu-detox specialists. And so it's just a training program. to offer five points in the outer ear.

10:46 Speaker 7: It's a standardized protocol that was developed 50 years ago in the Bronx, in the middle of a heroin epidemic in the Bronx. And it's been, I would say, a very underutilized part of substance misuse treatment, but it's also a really great tool for mental health, behavioral health. It's been used after traumatic events in communities. 9-11 was where that first started. There are communities around the country who have offered it after mass shootings. And basically it was the opioid epidemic in New Hampshire that made me say, we need acu-detox certification in New Hampshire.

11:25 Speaker 7: And so we were able to get that in 2017. And then a year later, I meet Jeff who had this introduction 30 years ago. And so now we train together and Manchester Acupuncture Studio and Hope for New Hampshire Recovery now partner to offer trainings. We've We've been doing three a year since 2024.

11:44 Speaker 9: Okay.

11:45 Speaker 14: Yeah.

11:46 Speaker 6: Oh, wow. That's excellent. So how long is the training? Because as you mentioned, to become an acupuncturist, that takes four years. How long is the training for this?

11:55 Speaker 7: So think of this as more like a first aid. You don't have to be a doctor or a nurse to practice first aid. Anybody can learn first aid. So this training is roughly 70 hours, and we offer it as a hybrid training.

12:11 Speaker 10: Okay.

12:12 Speaker 7: For the four weeks leading up to meeting in person, we're sending everyone through Google Classroom material to read and videos to watch and to listen to. So that way when they are in a two-day classroom training, then we're just reviewing with our presentation of this is how it started. This is recognized by SAMHSA, which is the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration under the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. This is used for the VA. This has other federal recognition like the Indian Health Services, the IHS, which is also a federal agency.

12:46 Speaker 7: They offer services to Native American populations and Hawaii and Alaska Natives.

12:54 Speaker 12: Okay.

12:54 Speaker 7: So this has been sort of part of their toolbox for a really– yeah, Native communities have offered this for a lot longer.

13:00 Speaker 4: Yeah.

13:00 Speaker 7: This day has been in more– I hate to say mainstream. It's not quite what I want to say that's not really– but I would– No, but I know.

13:09 Speaker 6: What you mean because I was not aware of this until you first told me. Well, actually, you even demonstrated it. I don't know if you remember this. It wasn't on my radio show. I believe it was on Gary Hopper's show, Rock, Paper, Hand Grenades, when I was his co-host on there and you would come on and you did the ear.

13:27 Speaker 7: I did, yeah. I miss Gary Hopper.

13:30 Speaker 6: Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

13:32 Speaker 4: Yeah.

13:34 Speaker 15: Yeah.

13:35 Speaker 6: So what is it called again? I want to make sure I have the name right.

13:37 Speaker 7: So that's actually a really good question because it has multiple names.

13:41 Speaker 10: Oh, okay.

13:41 Speaker 7: I guess you could say for a long time it was referred to as AcuDetox. And I'll call it by different names interchangeably.

13:48 Speaker 10: Okay.

13:48 Speaker 7: AcuDetox because it was first known for... Early detox, when people have withdrawal symptoms, it was known to reduce the withdrawal symptoms that would keep people in recovery.

14:00 Speaker 6: Okay.

14:01 Speaker 7: And then the first organization that developed around training and advocacy and education was the National Acupuncture Detoxification Association. So they called it the NADA protocol.

14:12 Speaker 15: Okay.

14:13 Speaker 7: And now we train under a different organization. We train under the community acupuncture organization that I'm a part of, that my boss is a part of. that he helped to found that Manchester acupuncture studio is a part of, which is people's organization of community acupuncture. And we technically can't call it nada. So we call it the five NP or the five needle protocol.

14:33 Speaker 10: Okay.

14:34 Speaker 7: So during training, I'm calling it acu detox and five NP.

14:37 Speaker 16: Yeah.

14:39 Speaker 6: Um, so it's, so, so the only thing it ultimately involves though, this specifically is, is the ear, the five in the, in the.

14:46 Speaker 7: Standardized points in the ear.

14:48 Speaker 6: Okay.

14:48 Speaker 7: And we were talking about the training. So, um, We have everyone learn online. We meet in the classroom for two days. And then we follow up with a few opportunities for people to get their clinical practice in.

15:00 Speaker 6: Interesting.

15:01 Speaker 7: So it's a roughly 70-hour training.

15:03 Speaker 10: Okay. Okay.

15:05 Speaker 6: And then, so I want to ask, well, actually this question really for both of you, but what are some misconceptions about acupuncture or about anything that you do? Because this is, I'm sure you must have to do this a lot, right? Talk about, because people have all kinds of crazy ideas. about acupuncture.

15:27 Speaker 17: Yeah.

15:27 Speaker 18: Yeah.

15:28 Speaker 6: Yeah. Exactly. Like, like what are, what are some of the, what are some of the things you want to clear up this morning while we're here?

15:33 Speaker 7: I mean, I can name a few, but Jeff, do you have anything?

15:36 Speaker 9: So a lot of people say, does it hurt? And really, I don't think it hurts.

15:43 Speaker 19: Yeah.

15:43 Speaker 9: Sometimes there's a very spicy spot, but it's not, it's not painful. There may be a spicy moment when a needle goes in.

15:53 Speaker 2: Sure.

15:54 Speaker 9: But, it's everything settles down.

15:56 Speaker 6: Were you nervous about that the first time when you, I.

15:59 Speaker 9: Didn't have time to be nervous about that. The first time I was in front of 200 people that make decisions.

16:04 Speaker 12: About my career.

16:05 Speaker 20: Right.

16:06 Speaker 11: Right.

16:08 Speaker 6: That makes sense.

16:09 Speaker 21: Yeah.

16:09 Speaker 9: Oh yeah. I was like, yeah, not so worried.

16:13 Speaker 22: Right.

16:14 Speaker 11: Right.

16:14 Speaker 6: That makes sense.

16:15 Speaker 9: Um, and other people are amazed at how many things it does for them. Um, You know, like, why did you put that needle there? Is that going to do this? Is that going to do this? I'm like, just get the needles and see what happens. I mean, people have, a lot of people have a reduction in sensation of physical pain as part of the treatment. Maybe because it reduces anxiety, tension, stress, which all of those make physical pain feel worse.

16:47 Speaker 6: Absolutely.

16:49 Speaker 9: Who knows?

16:49 Speaker 12: But people.

16:51 Speaker 9: claim great responses from it that's not why I do it right I do it to help people chill okay you know yeah yeah absolutely uh.

17:00 Speaker 7: What about you Liz I mean I would say the same thing when I was at Hope for New Hampshire Recovery and I volunteered there for weekly for three years and I would treat people in the front room and I people would be sitting around a table getting ear acupuncture and somebody would walk by and see it and they'd say does it hurt and I just turned to the group and say so what do you think does it hurt what do you want to say Right. And that was a good way to get people interested. Okay, maybe I'll try it too.

17:24 Speaker 4: Yeah.

17:26 Speaker 7: But I would also say, you know, many people have asked, is acupuncture placebo? And in some cases, maybe it is because placebo is powerful. But also there are veterinarians who practice acupuncture. I thank every veterinarian that I know who does acupuncture because when. I often meet people who will try acupuncture for the first time because their dog or their cat or their horse benefited from acupuncture. Or I'll come across an article about a zoo where the zoo animals are getting treated with acupuncture.

17:54 Speaker 7: And that's always really helpful.

17:56 Speaker 6: Okay. That's something, too, I remember when you mentioned that. The first time I ever heard you mention that, that surprised me. I had no idea that they did acupuncture on animals.

18:05 Speaker 10: Absolutely.

18:06 Speaker 6: I had no clue.

18:06 Speaker 9: Yeah, there's some research articles about acupuncture that show that, yes, this works for dental anesthesia on humans. Okay, well, that might be placebo. It also works on dogs. And that could be placebo, too, because they really want to impress us or beat, you know. But it also works on rats. And rats really don't give a crap about what we think. There's no placebo for a rat.

18:37 Speaker 6: Right.

18:37 Speaker 10: Good point. Good point.

18:40 Speaker 6: And what are some, we should talk more too about some of the things that acupuncture can be used for. And again, that's another thing that has surprised me, Liz, over the years, hearing you talk about some things that surprised me. But yeah, talk more about that.

18:54 Speaker 10: If you could.

18:55 Speaker 7: Well, I would say this. I remember it's been a long time. 10 years, I would say, getting the ear acupuncture detoxification specialist certification passed in New Hampshire and meeting people in the recovery and mental health community and saying, this is a tool that you can use. Your staff can get certified. You will have greater attention of clients in your programs, which is what you want, whether it's mental health or whether it's addiction. And I do remember talking to someone from the New Hampshire drug court who said, But I hear it does so many things.

19:28 Speaker 7: And it's probably because he heard me talking about all of the different contexts in which it's been used. So I know you're asking me generally about acupuncture. And it's a whole system. We treat pain. We treat stress. We treat allergies. We treat. But when we talk about ear acupuncture and the certification for it, it's been used in harm reduction.

19:49 Speaker 6: Right.

19:50 Speaker 7: It's been used in treatment. It's been used in drug courts. It's been used in mental health practices. It's been used in, you know, in treating first responders after a natural disaster. We have an ADS, a retired police officer named Diana Scott. She works down at the Farm and Flower Market.

20:07 Speaker 2: Yeah.

20:08 Speaker 7: Shout out to Farm and Flower. But she wanted to offer stress reduction to fellow police officers. And so now she is going to the Bow Police Station once a month to offer a stress clinic.

20:20 Speaker 6: Oh, that's excellent.

20:21 Speaker 7: Same five points as what was developed in the 70s at the Lincoln Hospital in the Bronx to treat heroin and methadone withdrawal.

20:32 Speaker 10: Yeah.

20:33 Speaker 7: Same five points, but it's just used in a different context. And so that's when I feel like There might be the doubters about ear acupuncture. But again, the reason why it works so well, the five points on the ear or any ear points is it releases dopamine. It balances serotonin. It decreases cortisol.

20:53 Speaker 4: Yeah.

20:54 Speaker 7: And that's what gives people sort of like, oh, my body aches are gone if they're dealing with withdrawal.

21:00 Speaker 6: Yeah.

21:00 Speaker 7: Or I'm able to take a deep breath for the first time in a while or my heart rate is slowing down. Where my shoulders are dropping.

21:09 Speaker 11: Yeah.

21:11 Speaker 9: We also have evidence that it can reduce inmate on inmate violence and inmate on correctional officer violence in prisons and jails.

21:21 Speaker 6: Okay.

21:22 Speaker 9: So California is doing it throughout their penal system thanks to a former attorney general there named Kamala Harris.

21:32 Speaker 6: Heard of her.

21:34 Speaker 9: Yeah, she kind of brought that into the correctional system in California, which I think is a great thing.

21:39 Speaker 6: I had no idea about that.

21:40 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's also used in three quarters of the prisons in Great Britain.

21:44 Speaker 15: Really?

21:44 Speaker 7: Ireland.

21:45 Speaker 6: No kidding.

21:46 Speaker 7: And that's been the case for quite a long time.

21:48 Speaker 6: That's interesting.

21:49 Speaker 10: Wow.

21:50 Speaker 12: Yeah.

21:50 Speaker 7: I would say it's It's been referred, like the 5NP or acu-detox has been referred to as a distinctly American form of acupuncture because of its development in the Bronx.

22:00 Speaker 19: Yeah.

22:00 Speaker 7: But it has taken off worldwide. And so you're going to, it's been more prevalent in the UK or in Sweden or Denmark or the Philippines.

22:09 Speaker 2: Yeah.

22:10 Speaker 7: Lots of people are practicing this in the Philippines and just creating clinics, like community clinics where people just get 5NP. Like I consider, I work at a community clinic And we do acupuncture points on the arms and hands and legs and feet. But imagine if there were several opportunities around the city of Manchester and around New Hampshire where people could go and just get this treatment and it would help people stabilize, like help with depression, help manage anger, help with anxiety.

22:41 Speaker 7: We trained a hairdresser who started a nonprofit that serves the homeless in Manchester, Tia Ellie.

22:49 Speaker 10: Yeah.

22:49 Speaker 7: And her partner, Fadze Goyo, and she was offering ear acupuncture at a, she has a food pantry once a week in her hair salon.

22:59 Speaker 11: Okay.

22:59 Speaker 7: Over on Pearl Street.

23:01 Speaker 10: Yeah.

23:01 Speaker 7: She started offering ear acupuncture. She was doing pop-up clinics in the park treating Manchester's unhoused.

23:07 Speaker 10: No kidding.

23:07 Speaker 7: And now she is treating the teens at the teen shelter of Waypoint.

23:11 Speaker 10: Okay.

23:12 Speaker 7: So the Waypoint shelter is on the corner of Beach Street and Hanover.

23:16 Speaker 2: Yeah.

23:16 Speaker 7: And I pass it every day on my way to work at Manchester Acupuncture Studio. And for years, I'd say, how do we get your acupuncture into the teen shelter for Waypoint? And Tia did it.

23:26 Speaker 16: Yeah.

23:27 Speaker 7: She did it because she was there. She was serving that population and the connections were made.

23:30 Speaker 2: Yeah.

23:31 Speaker 6: Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome. What about acupuncture to quit smoking? I've always heard that it can be.

23:40 Speaker 7: I mean, that's... It's tricky, and I'm sure you deal with this with hypnosis, too.

23:44 Speaker 10: Yeah.

23:45 Speaker 7: So I can think of Dr. Libby Stout, who is a colleague, and lately she's become a really important mentor to me. She is a retired psychiatrist in Colorado, and for many years, a couple decades, she was running a substance misuse treatment in Pueblo, Colorado, the CIRCLE program, a 90-day inpatient treatment, and not only was it for... Substance misuse, but she would also say it's no nicotine as well. So imagine like coffee and cigarettes are really, really important to people in recovery because you take everything else away and that's just coffee and cigarettes.

24:22 Speaker 12: Right.

24:23 Speaker 7: So in her program, like not even nicotine, and she offered daily ear acupuncture to help people manage their withdrawal from all the other substances plus the nicotine withdrawal. Very successful program. 80% completion rate.

24:40 Speaker 2: Wow.

24:40 Speaker 7: And I think that's really important because many of the people in the program were told you either have to go to jail or you can do this treatment. And many people chose the treatment program.

24:50 Speaker 10: Yeah.

24:51 Speaker 7: And when they were there, they were saying, I don't really want to be here. And then she said, well, just remember, you did choose this. It was either this or you had to go to jail. And so using the ear acupuncture turned out to be a great way to retain people in the program so they would complete it. Also, when staff members... are the ones offering the treatment, it helps to change the dynamic. So if people are in a program and they're feeling awful and miserable and they're taking it out on the staff, you know, but then the staff offers a treatment that makes people feel better.

25:22 Speaker 7: Everyone's going to get along better. Kind of like what Jeff was just saying about, you know, reduces violence in prisons. And so, you know, we've had some instances where we've trained people and they go back to their program and their program says, yeah, we're still not sure about this. And then they don't offer it. Then we also hear stories that there's really high turnout turnover in a lot of of the substance misuse treatment programs in New Hampshire.

25:46 Speaker 10: Yeah.

25:46 Speaker 7: You know, and I think that I mean, I would say this whenever I come across anyone who says, yeah, we've heard of it. We're not sure, you know, all you know, there is liability insurance. That's always an excuse people throw up. And then they'll say, well, we don't have time. You know, my question is this. Are you totally satisfied with how well your program is going? Are you not seeing anybody leave against medical advice at all in any way, shape, or form? Is your staff completely and totally happy, love coming to work every day, not quitting because they're burnt out?

26:18 Speaker 7: Then you don't need this. But if you are seeing people leaving against medical advice and you want to retain your staff and you want your staff to be happy, then have them get trained in ear acupuncture. Give them time to practice it. Not just with the clients, but also amongst each other.

26:34 Speaker 11: Yeah.

26:34 Speaker 7: Because the staff should get treated, too, to help with stress reduction.

26:37 Speaker 6: Absolutely, yeah.

26:38 Speaker 7: And hopefully you'll retain people in the program, and then you'll retain, you know, they'll maintain their recovery after they finish the program, and they'll, go ahead.

26:49 Speaker 9: If you are treating patients and staff at the same time, you start to break down some of the barriers and some of the, oh, I have to take care of myself, but you don't because you're staff. It's like, no, we all have to take care of ourselves. We can all work on our wellness and our well-being together. And it kind of settles out a power differential that doesn't need to be there.

27:17 Speaker 6: Very well said. Absolutely.

27:19 Speaker 14: Absolutely.

27:21 Speaker 6: The time goes quickly.

27:22 Speaker 10: It does.

27:23 Speaker 6: When we were on afternoons, we had all this time because I had 10 hours a week of air time in. But we should do this again soon, though. Let's not let years and years go by. And when I say soon, I mean literally soon because there's plenty to cover. And you're obviously both doing great work. And so these kinds of conversations should happen more, especially in a setting like this where we can reach people locally. But also people listen to the show from all over the place online. And I'm sure a lot of people are learning things online.

27:56 Speaker 6: you know, I've learned things from this conversation that they had no idea. And like I said, I've learned so much about what, you know, like I said, I had no idea the five NP and all that. Like I didn't even know any of that existed until I met you. So, um, so I appreciate that. So we, we should definitely do this more often. Let's plan to do that.

28:12 Speaker 7: Um, can I give a shout out to somebody?

28:13 Speaker 6: Absolutely.

28:14 Speaker 7: So today from 10 to five at queen city center, right, just right down the block on canal street, There is a Mind, Body, Soul Expo sponsored by, organized by Sacred Moon Yoga.

28:26 Speaker 4: Okay.

28:26 Speaker 7: So two of the people who took our ADS training, Amy Kludier and Monica Mahoney from On the Road to Wellness will be offering ear acupuncture.

28:34 Speaker 23: Oh, excellent.

28:35 Speaker 7: And there's going to be yoga and there's body work and art and scented candles. And so you could go check that out if you're really curious. And then also, you know, Manchester Acupuncture Studio, if you're interested in training and You could reach out to us. Our website is www.massnh.org. Or you could just come check out acupuncture for all kinds of reasons why you would get acupuncture, pain and stress and everything in between.

29:02 Speaker 6: I may very well reach out to you about the training.

29:05 Speaker 7: That'd be great. Yes.

29:07 Speaker 6: And I always have that thought after we talk about this. And then the thought, that's another reason why we got to get back on soon to keep the thought in my head.

29:16 Speaker 9: Just go right now. M-A-S-N-H dot org slash ears.

29:21 Speaker 7: Slash ears, yes.

29:22 Speaker 9: And there's a sign up.

29:24 Speaker 11: Okay.

29:24 Speaker 6: To get on our email list.

29:25 Speaker 9: It may not be active yet, but it will be soon.

29:27 Speaker 6: Okay, wonderful. Wonderful. Thank you both, of course, Elizabeth, Rob, and Acupunct. Not the Acupunct.

29:33 Speaker 7: One of many.

29:35 Speaker 6: And Acupunct. Elizabeth, Ropp. And Jeff Davis, wonderful to meet you. And we will do this again soon. And if you are listening live on Saturday morning, don't go away. God's Go First is coming up next. And we've got plenty more to go.

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41:32 Speaker 6: Bastards Hollow by God's Go First. And we've got two of the guys from God's Go First here with us. We're going to talk with them in just a moment. But welcome, everybody. This is Matt Connerton Unleashed, and we are live from the studios of WMNH 95.3 FM in glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. And of course, you can stream the show from anywhere. Go to mattconnertonunleashed.com for all of your live streaming options, social media links, contact info, show archives, et cetera, et cetera. I do want to remind you, too, about our amazing sponsor, Xtrilly.

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42:33 Speaker 6: Very, very exciting. And let's do this. Right now, we're going to introduce our guests. So we have Jason Pelletier and Tommy Jakes from the band God's Go First. Welcome, guys.

42:43 Speaker 10: Thank you.

42:44 Speaker 2: Hello.

42:44 Speaker 10: Thanks for having us.

42:45 Speaker 6: Hello.

42:46 Speaker 23: Absolutely.

42:46 Speaker 6: I'm excited. I love the album, Six Pack. By the way, I love the name, too. You guys probably hear this all the time. God's Go First is just a badass name.

42:57 Speaker 10: Yeah, it was sort of almost a random name that our drummer had come up with. And we like that it just has kind of multiple meanings to it, depending on what it means to you. It could be interpreted in multiple ways.

43:15 Speaker 6: Right, right. That is true. So what do you do in the band, Jason?

43:19 Speaker 10: I play guitar, and I do our engineering and artwork.

43:22 Speaker 6: Okay, excellent. And Tommy, you're the singer, correct? Vocals, yeah. All the vocals, yeah. And how long has the band existed? How long have you guys been around?

43:29 Speaker 10: We started, so around March of 2019, I was playing in a band called Kraken's Beard. You know, that's when the pandemic was kicking off.

43:43 Speaker 6: Yep.

43:44 Speaker 10: So I, you know, went home, brought all my stuff home from where I was playing.

43:51 Speaker 11: Yep.

43:52 Speaker 10: You know, I said, I guess I'm just doing this on my own at home now. And, you know, called a friend of mine, Ben, who's our bass player. He came over. A few months later, I called Scott. I said, listen, we're not really all that scared right now. If we get sick, we get sick. And then kind of kicked off from there. We went through multiple iterations. We've had multiple different people. But just recently for this album, Tommy came in.

44:17 Speaker 6: Okay. Oh, so this is your first album with the band?

44:19 Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah.

44:19 Speaker 14: I've been in the band for about a year.

44:21 Speaker 10: Oh, okay.

44:22 Speaker 14: We released Six Pack in July.

44:24 Speaker 10: Yeah.

44:25 Speaker 6: Okay, okay. Very good. And where did you record this? Because it sounds incredible, especially, by the way, and I love the way the guitars sound. People who know me and people who follow me on social media know that I occasionally will complain about, and I never want to be the old man yelling at clouds. I always want to avoid that. And I generally do avoid that. But I often complain about how guitars sound in modern metal. I don't like the scooping of the mids, shall we say. I don't like when producers make guitars sound like a kazoo.

44:56 Speaker 6: And I feel like that's really taken hold, especially in the last couple of decades, frankly. So I love when I hear something like this, like what you guys are doing, where it's like, yes, that's what guitars should sound like to my ears.

45:10 Speaker 10: Well, thank you. I'll take that as a huge compliment.

45:12 Speaker 6: Absolutely.

45:13 Speaker 10: It's recorded in my little studio above my garage, you know, in Milton, New Hampshire.

45:19 Speaker 6: Okay.

45:21 Speaker 10: You know, I'm not a professional engineer by any means, but I've been doing it for a long time, hacking and slashing at it and trying to figure things out, watching videos, reading, things like that. So this is where I am now.

45:35 Speaker 6: Wow, what you're doing is working. Thank you.

45:37 Speaker 10: Thank you.

45:38 Speaker 6: Do you record other artists there too?

45:40 Speaker 10: Not yet, but I have been talking about it.

45:43 Speaker 4: Okay.

45:44 Speaker 18: Yeah.

45:44 Speaker 6: Well, that makes sense. Cause you, you got a, you got a great sound there. Does the previous, cause the band's been around for, for a bit, obviously with different members.

45:52 Speaker 10: Yeah.

45:52 Speaker 6: Has the sound changed over the years?

45:54 Speaker 10: Oh yeah, for sure. You know, our last singer was a real heavy kind of false chords, metal singer, you know? So we certainly were, A little more thrashy, I would say, early on. And we've kind of gone more rock and roll. You know, that's why our logo kind of says, you know, North American hard rock.

46:17 Speaker 32: Yeah.

46:18 Speaker 10: Rather than heavy metal, even though we know we have a lot of metal tendencies, right? Oh, yeah, it's heavy. We all love metal. But we are more in that kind of just hard rock. uh, angle.

46:28 Speaker 2: Yeah.

46:28 Speaker 14: I come from the much more melodic metal thing.

46:31 Speaker 6: Okay.

46:31 Speaker 4: Okay.

46:32 Speaker 6: No, it makes sense. Um, yeah, it's melodic, but it's heavy, you know, which, which not everyone can pull off, which I, I really like that too. What about in terms of, so who writes the lyrics? Tommy, do you write the lyrics or?

46:42 Speaker 14: Uh, yeah, yeah.

46:43 Speaker 33: This, the new batch of six pack songs, uh, these guys had a bunch of ideas with no vocals and stuff. And I had been doing, uh, melodies from ghost road since 2010. And then everybody in that band, it kind of, you know, everybody got busy doing their own things. Bass players at sound engineer, um, drummers in a Nate Hill trio now, but, uh, I had nothing going on really. Um, and then these guys put out a feeler for a singer and then basically went down.

47:11 Speaker 14: I emailed him. I said, do you got stuff with no vocals?

47:14 Speaker 33: Let's see it. They sent me some stuff. I wrote a bunch of songs, you know? And I mean, again, the six pack, it's pretty heavy.

47:20 Speaker 2: Yeah.

47:20 Speaker 17: Yeah.

47:21 Speaker 6: Um, Oh, before we go any further too, I'm going to put the camera on me for a So appreciate that. So for anyone who's listening to the audio version of the show, please, when you get a chance, check out the video. So we got, you brought, let's see, hold that up so the camera can see it. Oh, that's cool too. The logo is so cool too. And I love, and I love the image on the back there. So you brought one for me and one for Jenny. So I appreciate that.

47:46 Speaker 10: Absolutely.

47:46 Speaker 6: And also I intentionally waited to open this because he also brought a package here. Let's see. Oh, and I also got the package you sent me in the mail too.

47:54 Speaker 10: Perfect.

47:54 Speaker 6: With the CD and the stickers and everything.

47:57 Speaker 10: Well, there's more of that.

48:00 Speaker 6: Oh, my God.

48:00 Speaker 14: Yeah, anyone who's into physical media, go to thegodsgofirst.com. Oh, yeah. Check it out. And you can listen to the album for free on YouTube.

48:10 Speaker 10: Oh, that's cool.

48:10 Speaker 6: Yeah, you guys got buttons and stickers. Oh, my God.

48:14 Speaker 11: Wow.

48:15 Speaker 10: Jeez.

48:16 Speaker 6: Thank you, guys.

48:16 Speaker 16: Absolutely.

48:17 Speaker 6: Oh, these are... Yeah, Jenny loves stickers. Her computer's covered with them.

48:20 Speaker 10: Yeah, these. We are also sticker lovers.

48:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

48:25 Speaker 6: I was going to hold those up for the camera to see. Oh, and a couple more physical copies of the CD. Oh, and you got, what's the correct term for these?

48:35 Speaker 10: Koozie.

48:35 Speaker 6: Koozie, yeah.

48:36 Speaker 10: Oh, that's cool.

48:37 Speaker 6: Let's go first, The Lost Year. Now, what is The Lost Year? Is that a previous album?

48:41 Speaker 10: Well, that was our first album.

48:44 Speaker 16: Okay, gotcha.

48:45 Speaker 10: Because we were doing it during the pandemic.

48:47 Speaker 13: Yeah.

48:47 Speaker 15: And, you know, that.

48:48 Speaker 10: That was kind of a lost year for a lot of people.

48:50 Speaker 6: Exactly.

48:51 Speaker 11: Yeah.

48:52 Speaker 6: It's amazing. Um, thank you guys. Um, it's amazing how much that's, that still comes up on the show too, because it, it affected so, so many people, but you know, the thing too, I always say about it is that, um, you know, we got to find silver linings where we can, and it was pretty tough to find silver linings with a pandemic. Um, other than hopefully, you know, they tend to happen once every a hundred years. So hopefully we don't have to go through that again in any of our, lifetimes right but the other thing i always say too when in terms of musicians you know and creativity it kind of forced a lot of people to find ways to be creative um and we were all.

49:26 Speaker 33: Stuck at home writing songs so exactly yeah exactly.

49:30 Speaker 6: Yeah yeah so you can give up and and and just sit around or you can make the most of the time and And do something creative with it. Absolutely. And I think it really kind of forced people to be creative, especially in some instances in ways that maybe they hadn't previously considered, you know.

49:44 Speaker 10: Yeah.

49:45 Speaker 6: In terms of how they work. You know, all the technology already existed. I mean, you could already share files and, you know, write songs together remotely or whatever, however you were doing it. But I think it really kind of forced people to be more open to using technology.

49:59 Speaker 10: Yeah, for sure.

50:00 Speaker 6: You know, so that they didn't have to grind everything to a halt.

50:04 Speaker 10: Yeah.

50:04 Speaker 6: Yeah.

50:05 Speaker 10: Yeah. I mean, you saw a lot of, you know, pro bands out there that were putting out videos, you know, the four or five way, you know, capture.

50:17 Speaker 11: Oh, yeah.

50:17 Speaker 10: Sometimes in multiple countries, you know, and actually doing things. So that was. That was interesting. And yeah, I think you're right. You know, it forced you to. You didn't have a choice.

50:30 Speaker 2: Exactly.

50:30 Speaker 10: Do you want to keep playing? Yes, I do. So that's what we're doing.

50:34 Speaker 6: Exactly. Exactly. Well, I think if you're just joining us, God's Go First is with us. I think we should play another song from the album, but I'll let you guys pick. What should we play?

50:43 Speaker 10: What do you want, Tommy?

50:44 Speaker 14: Star of the Celebration.

50:45 Speaker 3: All right.

50:46 Speaker 30: Yep.

50:46 Speaker 6: Oh, that's a good one. Do you call this an album or an EP? Six tracks.

50:49 Speaker 10: An EP.

50:50 Speaker 6: You call it an EP, okay.

50:51 Speaker 33: Yeah, we're actually recording a couple more tracks right now that are going to be non-album tracks. And then, yeah, you know, I hate to say the full length is dead, but, you know, an EP seems more, you know.

51:04 Speaker 6: Yeah, there's so many different ways to release music now.

51:07 Speaker 10: You know, for 10 to 12 tracks, right, you're talking about a lot of time, especially for a band that doesn't do this for a living.

51:13 Speaker 22: Right.

51:14 Speaker 10: It can just take so long that, you know... When two years goes by, people go, are you guys even still doing anything?

51:21 Speaker 6: I know, yeah.

51:23 Speaker 33: Well, I feel like the way people listen is different. Again, you give them six songs, maybe they can really digest it. You get 13 tunes on an album. It's like skipping some of them.

51:32 Speaker 6: That's true. That's true. Well, let's give this a spin. This is Sorrow to Celebration. The band is Gods Go First. The album is called Six Pack. Check this out.

53:12 Speaker 2: This ending won't be yours tonight And you have.

53:31 Speaker 4: To feel the same And I know sometimes.

53:43 Speaker 2: It's the wisdom of the saint What I think is shining So now you understand It's over Today's the day you realize.

54:14 Speaker 5: You lost before the fight was over. The clock, it shows you borrowed time.

54:44 Speaker 4: And I think.

54:45 Speaker 32: Sometimes it's hard.

54:52 Speaker 3: It's the wisdom of the same.

54:58 Speaker 34: And I guess they're wrong.

55:17 Speaker 3: You have to know it's over I'm running in the sky The hate is boiled over This time.

55:48 Speaker 15: Boiled over this.

55:59 Speaker 3: Side Crack you half to pieces.

56:37 Speaker 4: I think this time is.

56:46 Speaker 3: Wrong I think this time is wrong I think this time I think this time they'll grow.

57:23 Speaker 6: That's how it's done. Sorry to Celebration. The band is God's Go First. We've got Jason Pelletier and Tommy Jakes from God's Go First here with us in studio. And by the way, so we were talking off air, and I was saying, you know, I'm sitting here thinking, Tommy seems familiar. And then you've been on the show before.

57:41 Speaker 14: Yeah, I did a segment with my buddy Joey Painter.

57:44 Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah.

57:45 Speaker 14: We played some acoustic hip-hop stuff live.

57:47 Speaker 2: Yeah.

57:48 Speaker 14: It was really cool.

57:49 Speaker 6: That's why I was asking you, too, about, so what was the band you were in before God's Go First? Because I was trying to figure out where I knew you from.

57:54 Speaker 14: Before this, it was the Melodies from Ghost Road.

57:56 Speaker 6: But it turned out I knew you from being on my show. Yeah, that happens sometimes, but I've been doing this a long time, so it all gets to be a blur in my mind, but I'm glad you said something.

58:08 Speaker 14: It happens with us, too.

58:10 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.

58:11 Speaker 14: Nice to meet you. I've met you before.

58:14 Speaker 32: We played.

58:14 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Totally, totally. Oh, so we should mention too, where people can get this, get the, the merch. Um, this gentleman over here was reminding us.

58:24 Speaker 3: Yeah.

58:25 Speaker 10: Gods go first a.com. Uh, we have a store on there. Um, you know, we, we try to keep it up to date with whatever merch we have, uh, available and, uh, yeah, you can get it there or, um, you know, uh, you can just reach out to us via email too, if you're local and, you know, uh, want to meet up somewhere. Um, Uh, I don't do our social media. We leave that to Scott, our drummer. Uh, but we, we try to make sure we, um, uh, you know, we're ahead of things as far as advertising shows and stuff like that.

58:57 Speaker 6: Yeah. Um, yeah, there's so much to, you know, with social media, there's so much to do so much to that. Are you guys from here or where are you guys from?

59:08 Speaker 10: I'm out of Milton, New Hampshire.

59:09 Speaker 6: Milton, okay. And then where are you from, Tommy?

59:11 Speaker 14: I live in Elliott, Maine.

59:12 Speaker 6: Elliott, Maine, okay.

59:14 Speaker 11: Right, right.

59:14 Speaker 6: Yeah, so you, how far, what is that, an hour?

59:17 Speaker 14: Yeah, about an hour.

59:18 Speaker 6: About an hour, yeah.

59:18 Speaker 10: Yeah, about an hour from here.

59:19 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah. And then where are the other guys? Are they kind of.

59:24 Speaker 10: Scott's in Rochester, and so is Ben, actually.

59:26 Speaker 6: Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, so you guys are spread out a little bit.

59:29 Speaker 14: A little bit.

59:30 Speaker 10: A little bit, but, you know, we're close enough where it's not problematic to practice and record.

59:37 Speaker 6: That's good. I'm trying to picture exactly where Milton is.

59:40 Speaker 10: What is Milton? It's just north of Rochester.

59:42 Speaker 11: Oh.

59:43 Speaker 10: It's really 10 minutes away.

59:45 Speaker 6: Oh, so you guys actually aren't that spread out then because if Milton's close to Rochester and that's close to the.

59:50 Speaker 10: Tommy's probably the furthest.

59:51 Speaker 6: And that's not far from Elliot.

59:53 Speaker 32: No.

59:54 Speaker 6: 20 minutes. Oh, okay, yeah. So you guys aren't that spread out. That's good.

59:57 Speaker 14: Yeah, jump on 16.

59:58 Speaker 16: Oh, yeah, yeah.

59:59 Speaker 6: Nice, nice. Now, is there a theme with these songs on Six Pack? Is there any particular overarching theme through these or.

1:00:09 Speaker 14: I mean, I don't know.

1:00:10 Speaker 33: I mean, most of the bunch of them have different kinds of fun stories. I've always been someone who I'm a huge horror fanatic.

1:00:15 Speaker 2: Oh, really?

1:00:16 Speaker 33: So a lot of the stuff will be, you know, kind of cool. I mean, there's a song on there called Tarot Card. And actually, that's a cool story all about, you know, meeting an old gypsy lady who reads fortunes at a carnival. And then at some point in the last years of her life, she starts seeing her own horrible death in people's palms. So she's forced to do this thing that she does for money and read people's palms. But actually every time she does it, she sees a horrible way that she ends her, you know, her, you know, cool story.

1:00:49 Speaker 14: I'm a storyteller.

1:00:50 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:00:50 Speaker 14: Some of the stuff has personal meanings. You throw some of that in, in there, but you know, yeah.

1:00:54 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:00:55 Speaker 14: The, uh, sorrow to celebration.

1:00:56 Speaker 2: Funny.

1:00:56 Speaker 33: You guys were talking about the pandemic and everything. And the sorrow to celebration thing has a little bit of that in there because it was like, uh, You know, one of the words is the wisdom of the sane, but I think this time they're wrong, which was a point where everyone was telling.

1:01:09 Speaker 14: You, do this, do that.

1:01:11 Speaker 33: And, you know, you're kind of like, again, it's like, all right, these people are supposed to know what they're talking about, but what's really happening?

1:01:18 Speaker 14: You know, what's going on, you know?

1:01:19 Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.

1:01:21 Speaker 6: Um, what about for the, uh, for the new, the new stuff? Cause you're working on, did you say two, two new songs?

1:01:27 Speaker 14: Those will probably be, I mean, one of them will probably be just an internet track.

1:01:30 Speaker 6: Oh really?

1:01:30 Speaker 11: Yeah.

1:01:31 Speaker 10: We might just release one just as a non album track. Uh, you know, we'll just, um, for you streamers out there.

1:01:38 Speaker 13: Yeah.

1:01:38 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:01:39 Speaker 10: We'll just get it. We'll just push it out, you know? Um, but, but we are, you know, actively working on another album, you know? Um, Slow but sure.

1:01:48 Speaker 14: It's a pile of new ideas, a bunch of demos, a bunch of stuff. It's been good.

1:01:52 Speaker 33: Like I said, I've been with these guys for like a year or so. And right out the gate, we had no problem coming up with some cool stuff.

1:01:59 Speaker 14: Which, I mean, that's how it should be.

1:02:02 Speaker 6: Does any of the old material survive from before you were in the band?

1:02:06 Speaker 4: Yeah.

1:02:06 Speaker 6: Because you mentioned the sound changed a lot.

1:02:08 Speaker 20: Yeah.

1:02:08 Speaker 32: Now.

1:02:10 Speaker 14: I mean, we'll play one or two of the old ones live.

1:02:13 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:02:13 Speaker 16: Yeah.

1:02:14 Speaker 10: Now, um, some of them have had their lyrics completely redone.

1:02:18 Speaker 9: Right.

1:02:18 Speaker 10: Because I, you know, I didn't want Tommy to come in and have to sing karaoke.

1:02:24 Speaker 11: Right.

1:02:25 Speaker 10: It doesn't make sense. And usually it's not authentic.

1:02:29 Speaker 3: Right.

1:02:29 Speaker 4: Yeah.

1:02:29 Speaker 10: You can, you can hear it in somebody's voice when they're trying to do something else that they don't really believe in.

1:02:36 Speaker 2: Right.

1:02:36 Speaker 10: So that's why I told Tommy, I'm like, you're you got a uh empty canvas here coming in and yeah.

1:02:42 Speaker 33: And for me what's cool is that when i came in these guys were really open to just do something completely different because again the other guy it was heavy you know what i mean yeah yeah wasn't a lot of singing going on you know and uh so these guys again there was a couple things where i stepped up and was doing some some really like uh you know harmony vocal stuff and everything and you know it been embraced so it's been really cool for me yeah.

1:03:05 Speaker 6: Yeah that's awesome are you guys playing a lot of shows you've been playing a lot or not.

1:03:08 Speaker 10: A lot uh but you know we um uh you know we kind of uh we just pick the ones that are going to make sense um you know where we fit in and things like that i don't i don't like to just go out there and just uh you know grab at anything just to play out i want to play somewhere where there's going to be a crowd that our music can appeal to. Yeah. Yeah.

1:03:34 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:03:35 Speaker 6: I'm always curious about that because there's, there's different ways to look at it. Like some, like when I was, and we're talking, geez, when I was, I was in a band called my life crisis, like 20, geez, 20 years ago.

1:03:46 Speaker 10: Oh my God.

1:03:47 Speaker 6: And, uh, like we would kind of just play any show we could get, you know what I mean? Like, and, and, you know, and I remember it being a point of contention in the band. Like, is this really smart?

1:03:58 Speaker 33: Uh i mean if you're if there's a potential that somebody's going to enjoy what we do we'll play you know what i mean yeah yeah but if they said you know hey listen yeah i mean i don't know again there's a polka act playing next month you know what i mean you guys.

1:04:11 Speaker 10: Want to open up or do you guys want to open up for this we might scare people right i don't know they're not probably not going to like us that much it doesn't make a lot of sense.

1:04:19 Speaker 6: Yeah yeah um Plus, too, it's more expensive to travel now, too, with gas being so expensive. Yeah, you really do have to kind of pick your spots with that. Is there anybody in the scene that you guys play a lot of shows with? You know, sometimes that happens sort of organically, where you sort of unofficially team.

1:04:37 Speaker 10: Up with other bands. Yeah, Good Buddies and Lethal Creed. Great band out of West Newfield, I guess they'd say they're out of.

1:04:46 Speaker 6: I've heard the name, Lethal Creed.

1:04:47 Speaker 10: Yeah, Lethal Creed, they're going to hate me for... you know, pigeonholing them, but they're kind of a hardcore band to me. They got a lot of that kind of old school, hardcore edge, that New York hardcore kind of thing, and they're just incredible. They're a family band.

1:05:07 Speaker 6: Okay.

1:05:08 Speaker 10: It's, you know, the dad or grandpa on guitar, his son, the dad on drums, and he sings, and then his son is the bass player, and they're all extremely talented.

1:05:24 Speaker 6: I've heard of them. Now I know why I recognize the name Lethal Creed, because I've heard of what you just described. That's the family dynamic of that. That's really cool.

1:05:33 Speaker 10: Yeah, and they're great. They've really embraced us, and they're just really good people all around, so we just got along with them incredibly well right off the bat, and yeah, so we've been We've been doing some shows with them.

1:05:47 Speaker 6: Oh, that's awesome. If you're just joining us, we've got two of the guys from God's Go First here with us in studio. I think we should play that song. What do you guys think? Should we play Tarot Card? Because, Tommy, you were talking about it.

1:05:58 Speaker 10: Yeah, I think that sounds great.

1:05:59 Speaker 6: That's a good story. This is from Six Pack, the album, or the EP, I should say. I feel like Six Tracks is kind of like right in between album and EP.

1:06:06 Speaker 10: It's almost there.

1:06:10 Speaker 6: But this is another great song from God's Go First. Check this out. This is Tarot Card.

1:07:17 Speaker 3: I hate to say it, but it's Richard inside the.

1:08:27 Speaker 3: I'm weary with you and so mad You show me nothing but lies I hate to say it but it's written inside I'm.

1:08:35 Speaker 4: Scared, I'm lost and.

1:08:36 Speaker 3: After forever But somehow I.

1:08:38 Speaker 4: Still get by I hate to say it but it's.

1:08:41 Speaker 3: Written inside.

1:09:12 Speaker 6: That is Tarot Card. The band is God's Go First. That is from the EP, Six Pack. And guys, this has been wonderful. Of course, Jason Pelletier and Tommy Jake's with us here in studio. And where... Well, really two questions. One is, where's the best place for people to go online to keep up with everything that God's Go First is doing? And do you have anything that you want to plug as far as, I don't know if you guys are planning anywhere this weekend or, oh, I'm sorry. There we go. Sorry about that.

1:09:40 Speaker 10: No, we are not. As a matter of fact, we're sort of, you know, getting ready for the cold weather to hit. We're going to try and uh, you know, shack up a bit and really push to get some more tracks done. Uh, so, you know, get a lot, uh, a lot of progress made on our next album. Um, but, uh, yeah, you know, we're on all the socials. Uh, you know, you can go, uh, uh, you know, you can, you can stream all our music, youtube.com slash at God's go first. Uh, but you can get our, our website kind of acts as a portal to all of our social there.

1:10:17 Speaker 10: God's go first.com. We have a store there, and you can find everything.

1:10:22 Speaker 6: Yeah, fantastic. And any kind of an ETA on the new songs?

1:10:29 Speaker 10: No.

1:10:30 Speaker 6: Okay.

1:10:31 Speaker 10: I wish I could give you more than that.

1:10:33 Speaker 6: Understood, yeah.

1:10:34 Speaker 10: But we're shooting for, you know, hoping to maybe next year have. You know, uh, be close.

1:10:43 Speaker 16: Okay.

1:10:43 Speaker 15: Okay.

1:10:44 Speaker 6: Outstanding. Well, listen, uh, Jason and Tommy, thank you guys both so much. This has been, this has been wonderful to have you here. Uh, if you are listening live on Saturday, stick around. Adam Jocelyn is going to be joining us next, but right now we're going to close out this segment with this another track from six pack. The band is God's go first. And this is called ominous.

1:11:18 Speaker 4: I can't believe it's tomorrow. So much we see.

1:11:21 Speaker 2: I can't save you and I can't figure out where it all went wrong.

1:11:27 Speaker 3: You're still, you're hanging there.

1:11:30 Speaker 32: But now the end.

1:11:55 Speaker 15: Still you're breathing.

1:11:56 Speaker 4: And I can't take you out.

1:11:59 Speaker 32: I have something to say.

1:12:04 Speaker 4: You can't be here now.

1:12:06 Speaker 32: It's just the end of days.

1:12:07 Speaker 4: You've got the air. Thank you.

1:13:03 Speaker 3: There will be a better way, you have to put.

1:13:05 Speaker 4: A sentence down You never.

1:13:07 Speaker 2: Run, there is a time you lie Just as long you're happy when you're lying When they say you're bleeding out, well you're still so under attack If I'm a grave I can't Where it all went wrong See the ending now.

1:13:46 Speaker 4: But now we see The rope is free The rope is free.

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1:15:30 Speaker 3: Thank you. piano plays softly.

1:16:34 Speaker 13: Forget the math It's.

1:16:42 Speaker 35: Impossible now Two million flies In a jar full of sound No path to win It's a hard road to drive Don't tempt me now I've been too many miles.

1:17:07 Speaker 3: Too many times.

1:17:24 Speaker 17: I just can't.

1:17:27 Speaker 35: Make Sands of time For you to remain.

1:17:36 Speaker 17: No path to win.

1:17:39 Speaker 35: It's a hard road to drive.

1:17:44 Speaker 12: Don't tempt me now.

1:17:47 Speaker 17: I've been too many miles.

1:18:08 Speaker 4: So so Thank you.

1:18:56 Speaker 6: Oh i love that that is uh the song is called jars of water it's from the album dust and distance and adam zane is here with us in studio hello adam Oh, I'm sorry about that. Say that again.

1:19:09 Speaker 12: Oh, hi, Matt. How are you?

1:19:11 Speaker 6: I am here. Second time I've done that today. No, that is so good. A bit of a departure from Ableblood.

1:19:20 Speaker 12: Yeah, a little bit. I mean, it's still got that dark feel.

1:19:24 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:19:24 Speaker 12: There's no fuzz.

1:19:25 Speaker 22: Yeah.

1:19:26 Speaker 6: How do you describe that? Because it is, it's, you know, in the whole album, it's dark, it's sort of... haunting uh is a word that comes to mind um kind of moody moody yeah how do you how do you but it's not you know it's not like singer-songwriter stuff it's not i mean how do you describe your sound with with this.

1:19:45 Speaker 12: You know i'm the last person you should be asking that question and i'm this is every musician says that yeah um.

1:19:52 Speaker 14: Yeah i don't know i don't i would.

1:19:53 Speaker 12: Just describe it as a dark acoustic i mean a borderline psych psychedelic but it's acoustic so it's kind of hard to get right. Psych, but it's kind of always what's going on in my, in my brain sound wise.

1:20:07 Speaker 6: Okay.

1:20:08 Speaker 3: Okay.

1:20:09 Speaker 6: Um, and you had mentioned to kind of the origins of the album is the guitar that you bought. It sounds like, Oh yeah.

1:20:15 Speaker 12: Yeah.

1:20:15 Speaker 10: I bought it.

1:20:15 Speaker 12: I was up at the music mill down, down here. And, uh, uh, yeah, my, my wife and I were admiring this, this Martin, I mean, not a Martin, a Taylor, a American dream that was hanging on the wall.

1:20:27 Speaker 19: Yeah.

1:20:28 Speaker 12: And, uh, so I was having a haunt about it. I, I went home and my wife was like, you need to go back to the music mill and get that guitar. And I did, I got it. And songs just seem to be pouring out of it lately.

1:20:42 Speaker 6: No kidding.

1:20:43 Speaker 12: It's like I was, I was supposed to own this.

1:20:45 Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.

1:20:47 Speaker 12: Unfortunately, cause I know today I was supposed to come and play a couple of songs, but it developed a crack in the back of it.

1:20:53 Speaker 20: Oh no.

1:20:53 Speaker 10: Yeah.

1:20:54 Speaker 12: So I've got it at the Luthier right now and, and he's tending to it.

1:20:58 Speaker 6: Yeah.

1:20:58 Speaker 12: And, uh, Yeah, hopefully I'll have it back in the next few days.

1:21:01 Speaker 6: Oh, good, good.

1:21:03 Speaker 12: Yeah. Jake Falconer. He's an awesome luthier down in– he's down near Worcester. Oh, North Grafton.

1:21:09 Speaker 10: Okay.

1:21:09 Speaker 12: Yeah, so it's a little bit of a drive, but the guy knows what he's doing. He's in a really awesome band, too, called Swarm Catcher.

1:21:16 Speaker 6: Oh, that's a cool name.

1:21:16 Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a great name. He's the solo project that he does.

1:21:19 Speaker 6: Oh, really?

1:21:19 Speaker 12: Yeah, and, yeah, it's awesome, really heavy stuff. And, yeah, all-around good guy. Knows his stuff.

1:21:26 Speaker 6: Now, did you intend to do this album before you bought that guitar or did you buy the guitar and that inspired you to do these songs?

1:21:34 Speaker 12: Um, some of these songs are really, really old.

1:21:36 Speaker 16: Okay.

1:21:37 Speaker 12: Um, but most of these songs, yeah, I'd say eight of the 11 songs are written since I bought.

1:21:42 Speaker 10: No kidding.

1:21:42 Speaker 12: Guitar.

1:21:43 Speaker 11: Yeah. Wow.

1:21:43 Speaker 9: Yeah.

1:21:45 Speaker 6: It really, uh, it, it called to you.

1:21:46 Speaker 12: It really did.

1:21:47 Speaker 6: Um, and quite a few, uh, quite a few songs on the album too. This is definitely a full length, 11 tracks. Um, it, what went into the decision to, to do a full album? Because, and I feel like we've probably talked about this before with you on the show, but you know, there's so many different ways to release music. Now you can do singles, you can do EPs, you can do albums, you know, a lot of artists now they'll kind of the inverse of how it used to be. They'll release a single, a series of singles that eventually coalesce into an EP or an album.

1:22:14 Speaker 12: Um, but I, I tried to do that. I recorded this in April and, And so I started releasing singles and I was doing it every like six weeks or so. First three singles.

1:22:23 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:22:24 Speaker 12: And then I got impatient and I was just like, you know what? I can't keep doing that. I just, I was just like, let's just put the whole thing out.

1:22:30 Speaker 6: No kidding.

1:22:30 Speaker 12: So yeah, I actually had, I had dropped the whole entire album on a band camp.

1:22:36 Speaker 11: Yeah.

1:22:36 Speaker 12: Back in June.

1:22:37 Speaker 6: Okay.

1:22:38 Speaker 12: Probably like two or three days after I released the first single.

1:22:41 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:22:41 Speaker 12: But then I didn't release it on all the whole album on all the streams.

1:22:45 Speaker 6: Okay.

1:22:45 Speaker 12: Um, until September 8th.

1:22:47 Speaker 2: Okay.

1:22:47 Speaker 11: Yeah.

1:22:48 Speaker 12: So I did a few singles. Excuse me. I did a few singles, and then I just got, I was like, I can't keep doing this. I need it all out there. So now it's here.

1:22:58 Speaker 6: Well, that's the thing. When you've got an album's worth of material recorded and you're really proud of it and you want to share it with the world, and it's like, that's something that I'm always curious about is how do you maintain the discipline to not just put it all out? Obviously, you want people to hear it. How do you sit on it? It's funny, you hear these stories, you know, the music industry is full of horror stories and something that so many artists this has happened to, like they sign a record contract and they record an album and then for whatever reason the label decides it's not the right time or, you know, whatever their reasoning is and they shelve it.

1:23:32 Speaker 6: you know, not anything I've ever experienced, but I can only imagine what that's like. You know what I mean?

1:23:37 Speaker 2: Right.

1:23:38 Speaker 12: You put all that time and effort and creativity into it.

1:23:41 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:23:41 Speaker 20: And yeah.

1:23:42 Speaker 12: And then they just like, yeah, or whatever.

1:23:44 Speaker 6: And then you just, you don't know if it's ever going to come out and you don't, you don't own it. It's not like you can release it yourself.

1:23:49 Speaker 12: Right.

1:23:50 Speaker 16: Right.

1:23:51 Speaker 12: Well, that's the good thing about these days is like, do you really need a label unless you're like really starting to get big, big, big.

1:23:59 Speaker 3: Right.

1:24:00 Speaker 10: Exactly.

1:24:00 Speaker 12: Like just, You can put it out and it doesn't cost hardly anything to do it. You know, like you can record and, you know, you go to the right studios and stuff. It's going to cost a little bit of money, but they're going to do a really good job.

1:24:12 Speaker 10: Yeah.

1:24:13 Speaker 12: And then you get the rest of it's up to you.

1:24:15 Speaker 6: Right.

1:24:15 Speaker 16: Exactly.

1:24:16 Speaker 12: And you got Instagram, you got Facebook and all this stuff that you can promote on. And there's millions of people on these on these social media things, you know. So I don't know.

1:24:25 Speaker 22: I don't.

1:24:26 Speaker 12: Unless you're really starting to gain a lot of steam, I'm not sure a record label is super necessary these days.

1:24:33 Speaker 6: Some people end up regretting it. Yeah. Where did you record these?

1:24:39 Speaker 12: So that song we had just heard, I actually recorded in the back room of my house.

1:24:44 Speaker 6: No kidding.

1:24:45 Speaker 12: Yeah, I just got Reaper, and I was fooling around with it, and I thought it ended up sounding pretty good. The last 10 songs... on there i recorded at loud sun over in jaffrey okay yeah ben rogers he's uh i we worked he's he's recorded the first two able blood albums as well as as this one so i really like working with him we have a good rapport when in the studio and yeah so yeah.

1:25:09 Speaker 6: Yeah it's probably almost intuitive i'd imagine.

1:25:11 Speaker 12: It really is getting there yeah like he it's just such a comfortable he's in the middle of nowhere in a horse barn that he remodeled into a into a recording studio okay And there's just like a nice vibe in there. It's nice and quiet and, and all around good experience every time I go.

1:25:29 Speaker 11: Yeah.

1:25:29 Speaker 6: Oh, that's great. Um, we should, uh, we should play another one. Uh, what do you, I'll let you pick.

1:25:35 Speaker 23: All right.

1:25:36 Speaker 12: Let's do haunts me still.

1:25:37 Speaker 6: Haunts me still. Is there any kind of, uh, yeah, this one really kind of stood out to me too. Something about something about the lyrics. Is there a story to this one or.

1:25:47 Speaker 12: Um, most of the songs are about, me kind of going through a transition, you know, like having a relationship for 20 years and leaving that relationship and then meeting the absolute love of my life.

1:26:05 Speaker 6: Yeah.

1:26:06 Speaker 12: And I think most of these songs are kind of that explaining that transition.

1:26:11 Speaker 7: Okay.

1:26:11 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:26:12 Speaker 6: Oh, cool.

1:26:12 Speaker 12: This is definitely part of that.

1:26:14 Speaker 6: Okay. All right. This is called Haunts Me Still. Again, this is from Dust and Distance by Adam Zane. Check it out.

1:26:52 Speaker 17: What I tried to put away haunts me still. We can drown another way and it haunts me still. Push it back, it doesn't sway, lose my strength. Know I'm one, break my teeth and it hurts me still. Hurts me still.

1:28:19 Speaker 17: We can drown another way.

1:28:21 Speaker 4: But it haunts me still. Push it back.

1:28:26 Speaker 17: It doesn't sway. Lose my strength. That is so good.

1:28:31 Speaker 4: Haunts Me Still by Adam Zane.

1:28:57 Speaker 6: From the album, Dust and a Distance. Yeah, I think that's probably my favorite. That is just so good.

1:29:03 Speaker 12: Yeah, every time I hear it still I get a little bit of goosebumps.

1:29:06 Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.

1:29:06 Speaker 12: It's kind of weird saying that about my own music, but... Oh, I like it.

1:29:10 Speaker 6: Oh, that's great. That's great. And it's cool, too, that you release it on Bandcamp first. You know, I'm a big proponent of Bandcamp. You're very artist-friendly, where a lot of platforms are not. And also, too, something that a lot of people don't realize is if you get the music from Bandcamp, you get a higher quality file than if you just stream it on YouTube or something.

1:29:31 Speaker 12: Plus, you get to interact with the artists a lot more. Like, you can't do that on Spotify or Apple Music.

1:29:37 Speaker 2: True.

1:29:38 Speaker 12: They have their place. But in band camp, you can send me an email and be like, hey, I like your music. And I can respond to you and be like, thank you very much. Tell them how much I appreciate their comments. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. It's more of a direct.

1:29:55 Speaker 10: Yeah.

1:29:56 Speaker 6: Absolutely.

1:29:57 Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1:29:57 Speaker 6: What comes first for you in writing these songs? I suspect, because you mentioned the guitar. really kind of opened things up for you, that guitar that you bought. I suspect it's the music, but maybe not.

1:30:07 Speaker 12: No, mostly, most of the time I'll come up with a rhythm.

1:30:10 Speaker 10: Yeah.

1:30:11 Speaker 12: And then the lyrics, I don't really have a lot of trouble writing lyrics. It's more stream of consciousness for me. So yeah, the rhythm comes and I'm like, Oh, I can put words to this and then I'll just start writing as I'm, as I'm strumming the, strumming the chords.

1:30:26 Speaker 6: Yeah.

1:30:26 Speaker 5: Yeah.

1:30:26 Speaker 6: Cause you write all the lyrics in Abel, right?

1:30:28 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:30:29 Speaker 10: Yeah.

1:30:29 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:30:29 Speaker 6: That's what I thought. Um, Uh, are there any of these that were, because the songs, you know, they feel deeply personal. I mean, were any of these difficult to write in terms of like, did you struggle with any of these as far as saying what you wanted to say or, um, second guessing yourself at all?

1:30:46 Speaker 12: Or yeah, there's always a second guess. It's always rewriting, you know, like I'll write the lyrics and I'll be like, well, this doesn't really, it's not, I'm trying to figure out the vibe as I'm writing the lyrics.

1:30:55 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:30:56 Speaker 12: And, and so, yeah, I'll have to rewrite stuff. And, and some songs do, take a while. Like, I'm working on a song now that I've gotten one rhythm to, and I've gotten the words, and I like the words, but I can't figure out where to go.

1:31:13 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:31:13 Speaker 6: You know what I mean?

1:31:14 Speaker 12: And that happens a lot. And a lot of these songs, like Undecided, the lyrics were a struggle.

1:31:19 Speaker 10: Really?

1:31:19 Speaker 12: I'd have to change the order of the verses.

1:31:23 Speaker 10: Okay.

1:31:23 Speaker 12: And then change the words. And you're never always satisfied on every single song.

1:31:30 Speaker 6: Sure, sure.

1:31:30 Speaker 12: With the final product.

1:31:31 Speaker 31: Yeah.

1:31:32 Speaker 12: You know, and so sometimes the songs even change after the recordings and that one might be one of those songs.

1:31:39 Speaker 26: Right.

1:31:40 Speaker 32: Right.

1:31:40 Speaker 12: That it happens. I mean, I like the rhythm. I like the I like the way the verses go, but I don't always like the. The story that's. happening right then and there.

1:31:50 Speaker 6: Okay.

1:31:50 Speaker 11: You know?

1:31:50 Speaker 6: Okay. So are you playing these live? Have you been playing?

1:31:53 Speaker 4: Yeah.

1:31:54 Speaker 32: Excellent.

1:31:54 Speaker 22: Yeah.

1:31:55 Speaker 10: Yeah.

1:31:55 Speaker 12: We're going to be playing, I'm going to be playing a November 6th in Nashville over at the spot. Oh, outstanding.

1:32:00 Speaker 10: Love the spot.

1:32:01 Speaker 12: That place is great. Mike, the owner, he gets it.

1:32:04 Speaker 16: Yeah.

1:32:04 Speaker 6: He's been on the show.

1:32:05 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

1:32:06 Speaker 6: Oh, good. The healer. They call him.

1:32:08 Speaker 4: Yeah.

1:32:09 Speaker 12: Oh, he's super nice. Like I've gone into and, and introduced myself to him and man, we just sat there and had a nice conversation and, and he's just, he loves, He's so helpful to musicians when they're there. Yeah, I can't say enough nice things about him.

1:32:26 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah. Prior to doing this project and releasing this album, had you already been doing solo shows? Just you and a guitar?

1:32:38 Speaker 12: Open mics.

1:32:39 Speaker 6: Okay.

1:32:40 Speaker 12: Yeah, just kind of testing the songs out.

1:32:43 Speaker 6: Oh, okay.

1:32:43 Speaker 12: Yeah, but never anything... really formal yeah um i've learned a lot in able blood on how to put shows together so i've been kind of using that experience to start doing yeah this you know like i've got auto from dust prophet i've convinced him to do some acoustic songs so he's going to do really yeah he's coming to play on november 6th with me oh cool um adam grant from the band mercury burns first really he's got a solo album out that's all instrumental oh i didn't know that fantastic oh wow um so he's going to come and do some songs with his daughter really okay yeah brian hinkley who used to be in the band tree he's the original guitar player and he's in a band now called 99 shots he's coming up from boston to do a A set.

1:33:32 Speaker 6: No kidding.

1:33:32 Speaker 16: Yeah.

1:33:33 Speaker 12: It's going to be a really fun night.

1:33:34 Speaker 15: Yeah.

1:33:35 Speaker 6: Sounds it. So that's November 6th at the spot.

1:33:37 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:33:38 Speaker 6: Oh, that's very cool.

1:33:38 Speaker 10: Yeah. Very cool.

1:33:40 Speaker 6: Yeah, I used to be in a band with Otto a long time ago, Chemical Distance.

1:33:43 Speaker 12: Right.

1:33:43 Speaker 6: Yeah.

1:33:43 Speaker 2: Right.

1:33:44 Speaker 20: I remember.

1:33:44 Speaker 6: Otto's amazing. I love seeing him in Dust Profit, too, because he's been in a lot of bands. But Dust Profit, I feel like with Dust Profit, he kind of found his home. You know what I mean?

1:33:55 Speaker 17: He did.

1:33:55 Speaker 6: Because he's been in that band for a while now.

1:33:56 Speaker 31: He has.

1:33:57 Speaker 6: They've done a lot.

1:33:58 Speaker 12: He has a lot of side things that he does, too.

1:34:00 Speaker 19: Yeah.

1:34:00 Speaker 12: There's a lot of creativity flowing out of him.

1:34:04 Speaker 6: Absolutely.

1:34:04 Speaker 10: Yeah.

1:34:05 Speaker 12: Really good at capturing it.

1:34:07 Speaker 6: Yes, yes.

1:34:07 Speaker 12: That's a hard thing for artists to do.

1:34:09 Speaker 6: Right, right.

1:34:10 Speaker 12: Myself included. It's hard once, you know, to actually get it, catch it, and be able to keep it.

1:34:16 Speaker 6: Yes, yes.

1:34:17 Speaker 12: And he's good at that.

1:34:18 Speaker 6: He is, he is. Now, what about Ableblood? Is Ableblood still staying busy as well?

1:34:22 Speaker 12: He played last night up at the Shasky.

1:34:24 Speaker 15: Oh, no kidding?

1:34:24 Speaker 12: Yeah, we opened up for Tree.

1:34:25 Speaker 14: Oh, I'll be damned.

1:34:26 Speaker 12: Inverter was there.

1:34:27 Speaker 11: Oh, wow.

1:34:28 Speaker 10: TFR.

1:34:29 Speaker 12: What a night.

1:34:30 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:34:30 Speaker 12: I'm still recovering.

1:34:32 Speaker 6: Inverter's been on the show. They're amazing.

1:34:33 Speaker 12: They're really, really good.

1:34:35 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:34:35 Speaker 12: Live there's locally they're, they're one of the better live acts right now.

1:34:41 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:34:42 Speaker 12: Awesome.

1:34:43 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:34:43 Speaker 10: Yeah.

1:34:44 Speaker 6: Really good. So able blood is still staying active while you're doing this.

1:34:47 Speaker 2: Yep.

1:34:47 Speaker 10: Yeah.

1:34:48 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:34:48 Speaker 6: Excellent. Was it like when you first started playing these live, was that, cause I, I've never had that experience. Like I'm a bass player. I've only played in bands and you know, obviously when you're in a band, there's a certain safety to that. You're all on stage together. It's like a brotherhood, you know, but, So I can only imagine the vulnerability that comes with just you and a guitar.

1:35:12 Speaker 16: Oh, yeah.

1:35:13 Speaker 6: But I've never experienced it, and obviously it's different for everybody anyway.

1:35:16 Speaker 2: Right.

1:35:16 Speaker 6: Was it scary at all at first?

1:35:18 Speaker 15: Oh, yeah.

1:35:19 Speaker 2: Really?

1:35:19 Speaker 12: Yeah, it's scary every time.

1:35:20 Speaker 11: Is it? Yeah.

1:35:21 Speaker 16: Oh, yeah.

1:35:21 Speaker 12: There's no question. You're like, oh, have I practiced these songs enough? Is it going to come off smoothly? Because if I screw up a riff at Able Blood, no one notices.

1:35:32 Speaker 6: Right.

1:35:32 Speaker 12: I don't even notice, really.

1:35:33 Speaker 2: Right.

1:35:35 Speaker 12: You screw up an acoustic, you're going to notice it. And it's okay. It's okay to screw up live. That's live music. There's something actually really good about it when you recover. But, oh, yeah, getting up there by yourself.

1:35:57 Speaker 12: you're like, this is my gig right now.

1:36:01 Speaker 16: Yeah.

1:36:01 Speaker 12: It can be a little nerve wracking pretty much every time.

1:36:04 Speaker 11: Yeah.

1:36:04 Speaker 6: No doubt. No doubt. We should play another track from, of course the album is called, Oh, by the way, any significance to the title? It's a great title, dust and distance, but.

1:36:13 Speaker 12: So I had Jason Hartley down in Boston do the artwork.

1:36:17 Speaker 6: Okay.

1:36:17 Speaker 10: Yeah.

1:36:18 Speaker 6: I should mention that too. I love the cover.

1:36:20 Speaker 12: He always names his pieces when he, when he, sends them back to you when you have them. Um, so he named that Dustin distance and I was like, you just named my album.

1:36:31 Speaker 6: Yeah.

1:36:33 Speaker 2: Yup.

1:36:33 Speaker 6: That's great. I love it. And I, yeah, I love the, I love the cover. Uh, what, what should we, uh, what should we play next?

1:36:40 Speaker 12: Let's do green light passing by.

1:36:42 Speaker 6: Green light passing by. Okay. Any story to this one?

1:36:45 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:36:46 Speaker 12: I had a buddy of mine down in North Carolina. We're chit chatting online and he was trying to make a, um, animation for an able blood song and i don't even remember what the song was at the now yeah this was like a year or so ago yeah and he uh the animation wasn't coming out correctly like the hair color kept changing from scene to scene and like this things weren't working out right yeah and as we were chit-chatting i was strumming my guitar And I wrote the song while we were talking.

1:37:16 Speaker 6: Oh, no kidding.

1:37:16 Speaker 11: Yeah.

1:37:17 Speaker 32: Oh, wow.

1:37:17 Speaker 12: So it's about the animation that we couldn't really get correct.

1:37:20 Speaker 15: Oh, that's wild.

1:37:21 Speaker 10: All right.

1:37:23 Speaker 6: Well, very good. Well, let's give this a spin. All right. This is Green Light Passing By, Adam Zane from the album Dust and Distance.

1:37:59 Speaker 15: She turned around.

1:38:02 Speaker 17: With a green light passing by Didn't make a sound, couldn't see the blue inside her Closed my eyes, opened up to a different shade Confused by all around And she captured all the fires. Listen what they say. If you move, then you can't deny her. Try to make a stay. Water moves to destroy the liars.

1:39:37 Speaker 6: That is Greenlight passing by from the album Dust in Distance. Adam Zane is here with us in studio. And another great song. We were talking off air. And, you know, of course, we've talked about Able Blood a bit on the show, too. The band, well, I wish I was at that show last night. That sounds like a killer show.

1:39:56 Speaker 12: It was fun.

1:39:58 Speaker 6: But, you know, I'm a big Able Blood fan, as you know. But we were talking about, so you actually recorded for this album an Able Blood song.

1:40:05 Speaker 10: I did.

1:40:06 Speaker 12: I did a cover of Kept Them Past.

1:40:09 Speaker 6: Okay.

1:40:09 Speaker 12: Yeah, that was the first song on the last Able Blood song called Arrival of the Waves.

1:40:15 Speaker 3: Okay.

1:40:16 Speaker 12: So originally the song was meant to be a segue in between two Able Blood songs, and it turned out to be the opening track. My drummer likes to add fuzz, Jimmy, likes to add fuzz to everything.

1:40:28 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:40:28 Speaker 12: And he was like, oh, I'd love to hear this with the fuzz on, and we turned it, I put the fuzz on, and I was like, oh my God, this is it. incredible yeah but so i want i brought it back i wanted to bring the song back to what i had originally intended it to be okay um and it i like it that way as well i like it both ways yeah yeah but yeah so it's the raw version.

1:40:51 Speaker 6: Oh no kidding all right well let's give this a spin okay i'm curious to hear this now uh kept them past and this is yeah because i remember when you guys came on and we played a You said this is the opening track?

1:41:03 Speaker 12: It is the opening track.

1:41:05 Speaker 6: And then it's the closing track on this album. By the way, have the guys given you feedback? I'm sure they've listened to the album.

1:41:10 Speaker 23: Oh, yeah, they like it.

1:41:11 Speaker 6: Have they given you feedback on this song specifically?

1:41:14 Speaker 12: I don't remember a specific conversation on that one.

1:41:16 Speaker 6: I was curious.

1:41:18 Speaker 32: All right.

1:41:18 Speaker 6: All right, let's give this a listen. This is Kept Them Past. The album is Dust and Distance, and this is Adam Zane.

1:41:40 Speaker 12: I haven't seen them for a while.

1:41:43 Speaker 17: It's like a night that never ends. Appreciate the finer things,

1:41:52 Speaker 17: but they all disappear.

1:42:10 Speaker 12: Found a clue once in a.

1:42:12 Speaker 17: Room Couldn't leave the empty space Need a meal fit for a king Little water, little wine guitar solo Put your foot down on the gas. Tiny misstep on your toe. By the water for the king.

1:42:50 Speaker 35: People now forever past.

1:43:15 Speaker 6: Kept them past from the album dust and distance by Adam Zane.

1:43:19 Speaker 10: Yeah.

1:43:19 Speaker 6: So I'll have to go back and listen to the able blood version later too.

1:43:22 Speaker 32: Yeah.

1:43:22 Speaker 6: But yeah, that's really cool.

1:43:26 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:43:26 Speaker 6: You, you were saying off air about how it's supposed to be sort of meditative.

1:43:29 Speaker 12: It was intentionally supposed to be just the one riff.

1:43:33 Speaker 6: Yeah.

1:43:34 Speaker 12: Over and over and over again. And just very meditative.

1:43:37 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:43:38 Speaker 12: We added a little bit of parts, you know, when you jam the songs out, they kind of, they'll take on another life.

1:43:43 Speaker 22: Right.

1:43:43 Speaker 12: And it did. on the able blood version for sure. And I really liked that version a lot, but this one, I wanted to just bring it back to what it was originally. And it, like I said, it was supposed to be a connecting song between two able blood songs.

1:43:58 Speaker 3: Right.

1:43:59 Speaker 12: Or the intention was that originally.

1:44:01 Speaker 6: Right. But Hey, Did any of these songs surprise you when you recorded them? Like, did any of these come out differently than what you had originally envisioned?

1:44:08 Speaker 12: Punch Me still did.

1:44:09 Speaker 16: Really?

1:44:09 Speaker 12: Oh, yeah. Yeah, I didn't realize it was going to... It's got a powerful feel to it. And I think part of it's the way it was mixed and mastered, too. I think Ben is really good at bringing out the... It's like a droney sound on the lower strings on there. And he's able to pull that in, you know, so you can hear that really well.

1:44:31 Speaker 36: Yeah.

1:44:31 Speaker 12: It gives it a really good.

1:44:34 Speaker 10: Feeling.

1:44:35 Speaker 6: Oh, definitely. Definitely, yeah. Do you have a favorite of these to play live? Is there one that you particularly enjoy playing live?

1:44:41 Speaker 12: I couldn't ask. I really like playing live. It's just a simple blues song.

1:44:44 Speaker 6: Yeah.

1:44:45 Speaker 12: But I can really get into it while I'm playing.

1:44:47 Speaker 6: Yeah.

1:44:48 Speaker 12: So it's kind of like that 80 or that play 20% of your ability live.

1:44:54 Speaker 29: Right, right.

1:44:55 Speaker 12: Definitely in that 20% of my ability.

1:44:57 Speaker 3: Right, right.

1:44:57 Speaker 12: Because when it gets over that, you can't put as much into the performance.

1:45:01 Speaker 6: Yeah.

1:45:02 Speaker 12: Kind of rule. So that one, I can really have fun. I can really just kind of get right into it.

1:45:07 Speaker 6: Yeah.

1:45:08 Speaker 12: The other stuff, I have to concentrate a little more.

1:45:10 Speaker 11: Right.

1:45:10 Speaker 12: Right.

1:45:11 Speaker 6: No, that makes sense. Are any of these particularly challenging to play live?

1:45:16 Speaker 12: Blue Sky can be pretty challenging.

1:45:18 Speaker 10: Yeah.

1:45:19 Speaker 6: Because I'm listening to what you're doing on the guitar. It's pretty sophisticated on some of these.

1:45:24 Speaker 10: It's really.

1:45:25 Speaker 12: Some of it, I think it's more right-hand stuff.

1:45:28 Speaker 6: Okay.

1:45:28 Speaker 12: The chords are pretty. Easy um yeah but um yeah i mean it it it's not as sophisticated as i might make it sound okay to be but i think it's more um for me the difficulties aren't always what i'm playing is trying to remember the words Okay. For the songs.

1:45:49 Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah.

1:45:49 Speaker 12: Because I write them so fast.

1:45:51 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:45:51 Speaker 12: And I want to play them out right away, but I don't always have the lyrics memorized.

1:45:55 Speaker 29: Right, right.

1:45:56 Speaker 6: And I'm curious, too, about your vocals. Like, do you, like, who influences you vocally? Because as I'm listening to these, when I listen to these the first time, and as I'm hearing them again today, I'm trying to, like, your vocal delivery, you remind me of somebody, but I can't place who it is.

1:46:11 Speaker 10: Okay.

1:46:11 Speaker 6: So I'm wondering.

1:46:13 Speaker 12: I don't have, you know, I've been compared to, like, Bauhaus and those and like Joy Division and stuff like that yeah but I don't I like those bands but I don't they're not in my catalog of stuff that I listen to right right frequently yeah um so I don't know if I would call them influences yeah I have like a deeper voice yeah so maybe it comes out as you know but I really like like new wave music from the 80s and stuff like that so I guess maybe those vocalists from back.

1:46:45 Speaker 6: Then That makes sense.

1:46:46 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:46:46 Speaker 12: Harry Newman and stuff like that.

1:46:48 Speaker 37: Yeah.

1:46:49 Speaker 26: Yeah.

1:46:49 Speaker 6: No, that makes sense.

1:46:50 Speaker 14: By the way.

1:46:51 Speaker 6: So who, the, uh, you know what we were talking earlier about how, how do you describe your music? And I was looking at the, um, the description on band camp, um, And I don't know if you wrote this or if someone helped you, but it says here, I really like this. This is why I wanted to read it. From the Backroads of New Hampshire is rooted in dark Americana, psych folk, and the slow intensity of doom blues.

1:47:19 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:47:21 Speaker 6: I really like that. Doom blues is not a term I had heard before, but it fits.

1:47:26 Speaker 12: I don't know if I made it up. I'm sure somebody else has used it. I didn't really hear anybody else use it. I come from a doom metal background.

1:47:39 Speaker 12: I feel like I influence both sounds coming from either direction. I feel like I can pull that doominess out.

1:47:48 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah. Dark Americana, I think, really fits, too.

1:47:53 Speaker 11: Yeah.

1:47:53 Speaker 10: Definitely.

1:47:54 Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I like that.

1:47:58 Speaker 12: Yeah, I have a hard time actually labeling it, so I felt like trying to throw all that out there at the same time.

1:48:04 Speaker 6: Which I think is a good thing. I think it's good when you can't necessarily easily label something. You know, I think that's really good. Now, do you have future plans to do more of this?

1:48:14 Speaker 10: Oh, yeah, yeah.

1:48:15 Speaker 12: I've got another whole album written. I just got to get it recorded.

1:48:19 Speaker 6: Oh wow.

1:48:19 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:48:19 Speaker 6: No kidding.

1:48:20 Speaker 16: Yeah.

1:48:21 Speaker 6: Um, same kind of themes or same approach.

1:48:24 Speaker 9: Yeah.

1:48:24 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:48:24 Speaker 12: Same approach. Um, these songs are probably a little more influenced by like, um, by bands like 16 horsepower or Pine Hill Haynes and stuff like that. Um, so the sounds a little bit different than this album. Um, But that should be happening anyway. You're always supposed to be, or you should be evolving.

1:48:43 Speaker 6: Right, right.

1:48:43 Speaker 12: And I feel like I am.

1:48:46 Speaker 6: Definitely. And will it just be strictly you again on the new album?

1:48:50 Speaker 12: I'm not sure yet.

1:48:51 Speaker 15: Ah, interesting.

1:48:52 Speaker 12: Not sure yet, yeah. I've been talking to people about doing collaborations.

1:48:56 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:48:57 Speaker 12: Maybe some of these will end up on the next album.

1:49:00 Speaker 11: Oh.

1:49:00 Speaker 12: Maybe some collaborations.

1:49:01 Speaker 6: Oh, very cool.

1:49:02 Speaker 10: We'll see.

1:49:02 Speaker 6: Intriguing, yeah. Any kind of an ETA? Probably not.

1:49:05 Speaker 12: No, it's just getting... my button gear and sitting down and actually starting to record these. I'm going to try recording the whole album at home. Cause I feel like jars of water came out pretty good.

1:49:16 Speaker 6: It did.

1:49:16 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:49:17 Speaker 12: Um, so I think I'm going to try these at home and, and see how they come out. If I'm not satisfied with them, I'm back over to loud sun studios and we're going to record that that way.

1:49:28 Speaker 10: So, yeah.

1:49:28 Speaker 11: Yeah.

1:49:29 Speaker 6: Excellent. Excellent. Um, before we start to wrap up, so where's, where's the best place to go to, keep up with everything that you're doing both as Adam Zane and, you know, as able blood as well.

1:49:40 Speaker 10: Able blood.

1:49:40 Speaker 12: We've got an Instagram, Facebook, and we pretty good about keeping up pretty good. Um, Adam Zane, I, I do on, uh, Instagram mostly.

1:49:50 Speaker 6: Okay.

1:49:50 Speaker 12: It shows up on my personal, um, Facebook page. I do have an Adam Zane Facebook page, but I, there's so many pages to try to keep up with. I know I got to focus on one. So I've been focused on, on the Instagram page.

1:50:04 Speaker 6: Yeah.

1:50:04 Speaker 12: So if you find Adam saying music on Instagram.

1:50:07 Speaker 6: Okay.

1:50:07 Speaker 11: Yeah.

1:50:08 Speaker 6: Okay. Fantastic. And what about upcoming? Are you playing anywhere this weekend? I mean, I know you just played last night with Ableblood at Shaskane.

1:50:15 Speaker 12: No, no, we don't have anything. I don't have anything coming up until November 6th. Oh, right.

1:50:22 Speaker 6: You should remind everybody about that show, though. That's a big show.

1:50:24 Speaker 12: Yeah, so that'll be at the spot November 6th. The show starts at 8 o'clock. I'm going on first.

1:50:29 Speaker 6: Okay.

1:50:31 Speaker 12: So if you want to see Adam Zane play, be there at 8.

1:50:34 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.

1:50:35 Speaker 12: But then Otto will be playing after me, and then Adam Grant, and then Brian Hinckley will be closing out the night.

1:50:40 Speaker 6: Wonderful.

1:50:40 Speaker 12: Yeah, it's going to be great. Everybody, every person on this bill I am a fan of. So it's going to be get my set out of the way so I can sit down and relax and watch these guys.

1:50:52 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, no doubt, no doubt. No, that sounds like a great night. The spot, you know, as we talked about earlier, that's a great venue.

1:50:57 Speaker 11: It is.

1:50:58 Speaker 6: Absolutely. Adam, this has been wonderful. Thank you so much for coming.

1:51:01 Speaker 10: Yeah, I appreciate it.

1:51:01 Speaker 12: Thanks for having me on.

1:51:02 Speaker 6: We'll definitely do it again. And what did you want to play? You told me, and I can't remember.

1:51:08 Speaker 12: Let's do Blue Sky.

1:51:09 Speaker 6: Blue Sky. There it is. And what was the, was there a story behind this one?

1:51:17 Speaker 12: This was kind of another story of, you know, transitioning from the relationship I had been in to this relationship. And it's kind of promising. my wife now that I'm here for, I'm here for good.

1:51:34 Speaker 6: I like it.

1:51:34 Speaker 12: Yeah.

1:51:35 Speaker 10: I like it.

1:51:35 Speaker 6: Very cool.

1:51:36 Speaker 10: All right.

1:51:36 Speaker 6: So we'll close out the segment with this. This is blue sky. The album is dust and distance. And the artist of course is Adam Zane and Adam again. Thank you so much.

1:51:44 Speaker 12: Thank you.

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2:01:52 Speaker 25: I thought I knew, knew better than that But your smile and my face.

2:01:55 Speaker 40: Talk behind your.

2:01:56 Speaker 41: Back Gave me what you want, don't say I didn't.

2:01:59 Speaker 23: First time I seen all.

2:02:01 Speaker 21: You acting friends Dead end, going back on what you used to say then.

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2:02:40 Speaker 32: Energy try to test me.

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2:02:51 Speaker 23: What you wanted, say I didn't.

2:02:53 Speaker 41: First time I seen girl you act different I thought.

2:02:58 Speaker 6: I knew, knew you better than that But you smiled in my.

2:03:01 Speaker 23: Face, walked behind me back.

2:03:03 Speaker 41: Gave you what you wanted, say I didn't First time I seen girl you act different Dead? And going back on what she used to say Then heard you call me what you used to call them I don't really understand the problem You're the problem.

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2:03:24 Speaker 21: Hear What you did Thought that this would last By your side.

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2:04:32 Speaker 21: Gave you what you want, don't say I didn't.

2:04:37 Speaker 38: First time I seen, no, you ain't different.

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2:08:00 Speaker 17: Would you do that mountain that you're never gonna climb Try to keep pace with the elephant As you walk into that hole that's covered up in stink.

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2:09:16 Speaker 42: Well, baby, life has its twists and turns Times when you're feeling down.

2:09:23 Speaker 23: And when you want.

2:09:24 Speaker 42: To give up And throw it to the ground Yeah, I've been there before.

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2:09:39 Speaker 42: Gave up a few times myself.

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2:09:49 Speaker 43: All that I've been through makes a great road sign for you.

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2:09:59 Speaker 23: Eyes on the prize. Get across that finish line.

2:10:05 Speaker 36: Strong when I watch you grow trying hard to find your way.

2:10:31 Speaker 42: Falling down and Looking around, what should I say?

2:10:39 Speaker 23: Looking back, it's clearer now.

2:10:42 Speaker 38: All that I've been through makes this great road sign for you.

2:10:47 Speaker 34: Hold up your head now, baby.

2:10:50 Speaker 23: Hold up your head now, eyes.

2:10:52 Speaker 4: On that prize.

2:10:54 Speaker 13: Get across that finish line.

2:10:58 Speaker 4: Strong.

2:11:01 Speaker 20: What should I do?

2:11:03 Speaker 23: Be strong.

2:11:04 Speaker 18: Yeah.

2:11:05 Speaker 23: What should I do? Make it tough for no reason.

2:11:08 Speaker 11: No.

2:11:09 Speaker 23: What should I do?

2:11:10 Speaker 12: Be strong.

2:11:11 Speaker 4: Yeah.

2:11:13 Speaker 23: What should I do?

2:11:14 Speaker 18: Save you first, give you easy.

2:11:16 Speaker 11: No.

2:11:17 Speaker 23: What should I do? Be strong What should I do?

2:11:21 Speaker 42: Show the way, cast a shadow What should I do?

2:11:26 Speaker 23: Be strong What.

2:11:28 Speaker 20: Should I do?

2:11:30 Speaker 13: Make you strong.

2:11:34 Speaker 8: Looking back, it's clearer now All that I've been through makes a great road sign for.

2:11:40 Speaker 34: You Hold up your head now, baby Hold up your head now, eyes on the bright Get across that finish.

2:11:50 Speaker 13: Line Strong Hold up your head now, baby Hold up your.

2:12:01 Speaker 34: Head now, eyes on the bright Get across that finish line.

2:12:08 Speaker 6: Strong Welcome, everybody. We have entered our number three Numero Trace of Matt Connerton Unleashed, and we are live from the studios of WMNH 95.3 FM in glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. And, of course, you can stream the show from anywhere. Go to my website, mattconnertonunleashed.com, for all your live streaming options, social media links, contact info, show archives, et cetera, et cetera. We just heard strong by the great Mark Winters, who is here with us. We're going to be speaking with him in just a couple of minutes.

2:12:59 Speaker 22: And.

2:13:00 Speaker 6: He's going to play live for us. So really looking forward to that. By the way, do you need a ride? Check out Xtrilly, now available in New Hampshire. Booking is simple, and the price you see is the price you pay. One clear price, no surprises. So whether you're going out for the evening or you just need a ride across town, give Xtrilly a try. I'm going to spell that for you. It's X-T-R-I-L-L-I. X-T-R-I-L-L-I dot com slash ride 953 if you want to sign up, and I suggest you do. We are very honored and pleased to have them as one of our official sponsors of Matt Connerton Unleashed and our roster of great sponsors here at WMNH 95.3 FM.

2:13:44 Speaker 6: That is Xtrilly.com slash ride 953. And I am going to go ahead and get these mics up. Now, we're using the... other microphones because he's going to be playing live for us. But let's see. Let's see here. Mark, go ahead and say something.

2:14:04 Speaker 18: What's going on, Matt?

2:14:05 Speaker 6: I can hear you.

2:14:06 Speaker 18: That is Connerton Unleashed, brother.

2:14:08 Speaker 6: That is excellent. Welcome back, my friend. You were on with us before, but I feel it was a while ago, right? It had to be at least a year ago.

2:14:15 Speaker 18: Yeah, I was thinking about the same thing. It's been a minute.

2:14:19 Speaker 12: Uh, for sure.

2:14:19 Speaker 18: Uh, many roads, many miles on the roads, uh, since the last time we had a chance to chat.

2:14:25 Speaker 5: Yeah.

2:14:25 Speaker 6: You've been, uh, have you been touring pretty nonstop or?

2:14:29 Speaker 18: Yeah, I've been, uh, I do a spring and a fall tour. So I do about, uh, 150 shows in total. Um, and, uh, so this is the tail end of my fall tour here for 2026. So I probably have at least, uh, you know, maybe 40,000 miles between the last time you and.

2:14:48 Speaker 12: I shot it.

2:14:50 Speaker 18: So lots of experiences and amazing people out on the road.

2:14:53 Speaker 6: You know, that's incredible. So where were you, uh, before you, uh, arrived in Manchester, where was your, where'd you play last night?

2:15:00 Speaker 18: So, uh, uh, Buffalo. Um, and then, uh, uh, that's a good question in between Buffalo and here, uh, Button, Buttonwood. I can't remember the name of the city for Buttonwood. They have this amazing, uh, arts collective that I played, uh, buttonwood tree, uh, last night. Uh, so about maybe five hours a day I drive and, uh, catch a show that, uh, most nights. So it's, uh, it's been, it's been a great experience so far.

2:15:25 Speaker 6: Is it challenging? I mean, I don't know if you've noticed, but gas is a little expensive right now. Is that a, is that a challenge?

2:15:32 Speaker 23: It's a thing.

2:15:33 Speaker 18: You know, I, I, I, uh, last year I was touring in an SUV in a trailer and I kind of, that was my first year of touring. And I, I really love being out and being off the grid on the trailer. It's really an amazing experience. But the expenses, just the gas and the towing and the parking for the thing, it just became, like, untenable.

2:15:54 Speaker 6: Yeah.

2:15:54 Speaker 18: So I did a pivot, and this year I'm in a Toyota Sienna that I've converted. So I still can stay off the grid if I need to. But it gets 40 miles to the gallon, brother.

2:16:05 Speaker 6: Okay.

2:16:05 Speaker 18: So it's way better than the big tour rig. So, yeah, I think gas is super expensive. You know, just whatever. I mean, life is expensive, right? Groceries, everything's more expensive.

2:16:18 Speaker 6: That is true.

2:16:20 Speaker 18: It's the world we live in, you know?

2:16:21 Speaker 6: Yeah, just need it to stabilize. Need it to stop going up. Not necessarily lower. You know, people always say, oh, I want prices to go lower. Actually, not necessarily, because then you have deflation. You just want them to stop going up.

2:16:35 Speaker 19: Yeah.

2:16:35 Speaker 18: Or you want your income to go up more than the cost of the thing, right?

2:16:39 Speaker 6: Exactly. Exactly. 100%.

2:16:42 Speaker 23: 100%.

2:16:43 Speaker 6: Well, I'm dying to hear you play. So if you want to play something for us, then we can come back and talk some more. Because as we were saying off air, and for people who don't know, who may not have heard our previous conversation, you've got a really interesting backstory. At least I think it's interesting. So I'd like to I'd like to go over that again with you. It's definitely a bit quirky. Yeah.

2:17:00 Speaker 18: You know, I used to be an aerospace engineer and picked up a guitar to sing a song for my wife for our anniversary and just fell in love with the connection. It was my first experience doing anything musical other than maybe playing the recorder in elementary school.

2:17:19 Speaker 23: Right.

2:17:19 Speaker 18: So, yeah, so I've been on a tear ever since. I lean in more and more in and I became a professional guitarist singer-songwriter and touring artist a couple years ago, and have been just going all in and having a great time. My science background sort of still influences my music, as well as my native positivity.

2:17:43 Speaker 15: Yes, yes.

2:17:43 Speaker 18: So those are kind of my things. One of the things I love to do, and the first song that I'll share with you today is what I'm out, I love just to find the beautiful spots in the world and go hiking or rollerblading or whatever and get out in the world that way. And I was out hiking with my wife in Zion National Forest, Um, and where is that? Uh, Zion's in Utah.

2:18:10 Speaker 9: Okay.

2:18:10 Speaker 18: And so it's a, it's a, it's a beautiful, if you get a chance to go to just one national forest, I would say that's probably the best one. They have all the, all the biomes there and everything's centrally located and easy to access. And so you can pretty much roll out of the lodge and get to any kind of trail you wanted. Um, you know, uh, super amazing. And, uh, my wife, she comes out like a week out of every month I'm on the road. And so, We get a chance to catch some national forests along the route and have a good time.

2:18:41 Speaker 18: We're out doing our thing. It's the amazing beauty of these beautiful cliffs and forests. A couple hours in, I looked up from my revere looking at all the beautiful things around me, and I had lost my wife.

2:19:01 Speaker 11: Oh!

2:19:03 Speaker 18: I was like, oh my God, where is she?

2:19:06 Speaker 6: How does that even happen? Is she very quiet?

2:19:10 Speaker 18: She is very quiet. I'm tall, she's short. But what happened, I think it's very easy to get distracted by the world around you. And so she had stopped to take some pictures. I'd kept walking and both of us were sort of lost in the moment, I think. But she did not get eaten by a bear or a mountain lion or anything. It took me about 15 incredibly long minutes to find her.

2:19:33 Speaker 6: Oh, geez.

2:19:34 Speaker 18: But when I did, you know, and after I apologized for, you know, sort of losing her, I found, you know, myself thinking, you know, you got to be more mindful, Mark. You know, you're tall, she's short. You got to be more mindful not to just stride off and leave somebody. You know, and so I started thinking about that and the concept that, you know, life is better when you stay in the rhythm with the people around you, so you experience life at the same time.

2:20:03 Speaker 6: Right.

2:20:04 Speaker 18: And that turned into a song.

2:20:07 Speaker 23: Okay.

2:20:07 Speaker 18: Well, a poem first, because I love to write poetry, and then it turned into a song. Yeah, it's a song about being in that rhythm together.

2:20:18 Speaker 6: All right. Mark Winter is live in studio.

2:20:21 Speaker 18: How's our volume?

2:20:23 Speaker 6: Ooh, that guitar sounds nice. Yeah, really good.

2:20:46 Speaker 37: It's all in the rhythm All in the rhythm All in the rhythm.

2:20:56 Speaker 23: Of this life.

2:21:01 Speaker 42: Pine needles and blue skies Your way up ahead.

2:21:08 Speaker 23: I gotta run to catch up with.

2:21:11 Speaker 42: You And baby hold your head It's all.

2:21:17 Speaker 37: In the rhythm All in the rhythm All in the rhythm of this.

2:21:26 Speaker 40: Life Crickets singing a love song Your perfume's in the air I.

2:21:37 Speaker 38: Want to stay in the moment Sometimes it's hard to be there.

2:21:44 Speaker 37: It's all in the rhythm All in the rhythm All in the rhythm of.

2:21:54 Speaker 23: This life Rain taps on my shoulders, drops dance on the ground. You I want to.

2:22:22 Speaker 39: Get closer to and get lost in the sound.

2:22:27 Speaker 23: It's all in the.

2:22:29 Speaker 37: Rhythm, all in the rhythm.

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2:22:37 Speaker 4: .

2:22:42 Speaker 23: .

2:23:03 Speaker 43: Very nice.

2:23:05 Speaker 4: All the rhythm, my friend.

2:23:08 Speaker 3: Mark Winters is here with us.

2:23:25 Speaker 6: Live in studio and, uh, outstanding. So I want to go back to, you know, cause you talked about it a little bit. You, you were a scientist or are a scientist. You're always a scientist, right?

2:23:36 Speaker 23: Yeah.

2:23:36 Speaker 6: And then you decided like, can you tell us more about, and again, for people who maybe didn't hear our previous conversation, um, when you were on the show last time about, about making that transition, because that's not, you know, I mean, I don't think James Taylor started that way.

2:23:50 Speaker 15: You know what I mean?

2:23:51 Speaker 6: Like, like that's a big, that's a big shift.

2:23:54 Speaker 2: Yeah.

2:23:55 Speaker 18: Um, You know, I don't know. I guess a couple of things. You know, I've always loved just trying things out, you know, and so I have a, you know, a long history of just, you know, something new. I want to learn to paint or I want to go surfing or whatever, you know, just to try the new things. And so most of my life I've just been very exploratory in that way. And, you know, I wasn't really looking for a change in careers, right? I mean, I was, I love math. I love science. I love solving problems.

2:24:26 Speaker 18: I mean, you know, aerospace engineering, I love building aircraft and, you know, it's, I love flying. It's, you know, all that stuff was sort of, you know, part of a culmination of just growing up in, with, with those loves. But, um, you know, I wanted to try something musical. That was kind of the idea.

2:24:43 Speaker 6: Yeah.

2:24:43 Speaker 18: And so I, uh, I said, you know, I, I put it on my list. I'm a big list checker offer. I don't know if you're a list checker offer yourself, Matt, but, uh, I put it on the list. I'm going to do it this year. And it got to be May and I hadn't done anything musical. And so I'm like, okay, let's get with it. And so I decided, all right, well, let me just buy a guitar and sing a song for my wife for our anniversary.

2:25:06 Speaker 6: Yeah.

2:25:07 Speaker 18: And so I found a local guitar shop and bought the guitar from the guy who agreed to teach me to play a song because I didn't have any musical experience.

2:25:15 Speaker 6: Yeah.

2:25:16 Speaker 18: And then when we got out in our favorite Italian restaurant, I surprised my wife by saying, bringing my guitar in and singing a song to her. There's a long story that goes with that. But the important bit for me was when I was playing the song for her, it's like the world vanished. It was me and her, even though everyone in the restaurant had pulled their chairs around like an audience.

2:25:42 Speaker 4: Oh, no kidding.

2:25:42 Speaker 18: Yeah, it was pretty cool. But the world vanished, and it was just me and her. in this musical moment together, like we were riding a wave at the same time. It's like, oh my God, this is an amazing feeling.

2:25:54 Speaker 6: And just to be clear, she was cool with it? Because some women would be mortified.

2:25:59 Speaker 18: She had no idea I was going to do it.

2:26:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

2:26:02 Speaker 18: So when I went out, I said, I left something in the car. And she's used to me surprising her with flowers and whatever else. So she thought it was something like that. I came in with the guitar. She's like, what the heck is that? Are you going to rob the place? Uh, but, uh, she was cool. Uh, it was definitely weird cause she didn't know I was practicing. She didn't know I'd bought it. Nothing. It was all a surprise to her.

2:26:24 Speaker 10: Okay.

2:26:25 Speaker 18: Um, but she was cool. Um, and she always, she's good at like reading the intent of a thing I'm doing.

2:26:32 Speaker 22: Okay.

2:26:32 Speaker 18: And so she knew it was me honoring her.

2:26:35 Speaker 5: Right.

2:26:35 Speaker 2: Yeah.

2:26:36 Speaker 18: Um, So, you know, this feeling I got afterwards was like, oh, you know, I'm thinking to myself back in my normal day, like, wow, that was really incredible.

2:26:48 Speaker 12: What was it?

2:26:49 Speaker 18: Was it the guitar? Was it the song? Was it her? Was it the restaurant? You know, what was it that really gave me that, you know, I don't know, transcendent feeling I had never had in my life? And so I got on this journey. Okay, I started playing guitar. I met some other guys. We put a band together, started doing the thing. And I found over time that, you know, it was, you know, the words, when I'm singing, the words matter to me. And so when I was singing, that's where I was starting to get some of that feeling when I put it together with something I was playing, piano or guitar.

2:27:29 Speaker 18: And so I started on this journey of, But I wasn't writing original music at the time. I was teaching myself music. I was playing covers.

2:27:37 Speaker 11: Yeah.

2:27:37 Speaker 18: And I found I couldn't sing words that I didn't agree with.

2:27:41 Speaker 6: Okay.

2:27:42 Speaker 11: Right?

2:27:42 Speaker 18: And so that sort of led me to starting to write my own music. But, you know, you don't know if you can do a thing. You pick up your guitar.

2:27:50 Speaker 4: Yeah.

2:27:50 Speaker 18: You're playing, hanging out. You're like, okay, well, it's fun.

2:27:54 Speaker 11: Right?

2:27:54 Speaker 18: But I didn't think about it as a career.

2:27:57 Speaker 11: Right.

2:27:59 Speaker 6: I want to stop on that for a second because I'm curious about something. I don't know if I asked you this before. Being a scientist, do you feel that that helped you learn to play guitar? Because, I mean, music theory is math. Probably why I don't know any music theory. I'm a bass player, but I just play. But music theory is math. Do you think that that was helpful to you, your background in science?

2:28:24 Speaker 18: I've had this discussion with lots of friends of mine who are sort of in music. Or in the sciences. So I think the answer is probably yes for the physical instrument. So when I started learning to play guitar or piano, even when I started, I bought some college classes online to teach myself music theory. So like for 10 bucks these days, you can buy a full college course on music theory one, right? So I taught myself music theory one, just this video course. But what I found is like, Music theory and the instrument and the discipline needed to play an instrument, those go hand in glove with someone in the sciences because you have to have kind of a disciplined mind in the sciences.

2:29:12 Speaker 18: And so I found a lot of help on the guitar, on the piano, and compositionally from my science background. But singing was the polar opposite of all of that.

2:29:27 Speaker 14: Really?

2:29:27 Speaker 6: Interesting.

2:29:29 Speaker 18: It's like, okay, when I first, when I started singing, you know, what's my experience? Singing happy birthday, I don't know, Frere Jacques, you know, whatever, right? You know, nothing normal. And so when I started singing, in the beginning, you're sort of belting it out. You're like, well, why don't I sound good, you know?

2:29:45 Speaker 11: Right, right.

2:29:48 Speaker 18: And so you watch some courses. I bought a couple of courses online trying to take the same approach, right? Terrible. It's a terrible way to learn to sing.

2:29:57 Speaker 6: Interesting.

2:29:57 Speaker 18: Singing is like, this body, body experience, a mind and body experience. And it has nothing to do with math and science. And so you have to flush that out of your mind.

2:30:11 Speaker 17: Yeah.

2:30:12 Speaker 10: Right.

2:30:12 Speaker 32: Yeah.

2:30:13 Speaker 18: Um, now the discipline part is super helpful.

2:30:17 Speaker 2: Yes.

2:30:17 Speaker 11: Right.

2:30:18 Speaker 18: Um, but the rest of it not. And so I found, actually I found a vocal coach, local vocal coach and started learning, which was phenomenal. Um, and so for me, that part was just not math and science oriented. And then I think maybe when you're composing music, you know, like I start with like an emotional intent when I'm writing.

2:30:43 Speaker 6: Yeah.

2:30:44 Speaker 18: And that sort of manifests itself maybe in some poetry or maybe some free text that I write against the topic to kind of organize my thoughts. But there's an emotional intent behind what I'm preparing.

2:30:56 Speaker 11: Yeah.

2:30:57 Speaker 18: And it iterates as I'm writing the song or whatever, but, uh, you know, just getting the emotional elements into the melody and the words is a very non-scientific thing.

2:31:11 Speaker 10: Yeah.

2:31:12 Speaker 11: Right.

2:31:12 Speaker 18: So you're like, you know, I went to a songwriting retreat, um, my first formal education about three years ago in Austin, this gal, Andrea Stolpe. Uh, she's a really amazing writer and teacher. Uh, she does seminars throughout the U S uh, but I went to this retreat, for a week and I learned a ton about writing and professionals and everybody there was a professional and I learned a lot about what a professional songwriter or artist, what's the skill that they possess that allows you to sort of create.

2:31:45 Speaker 18: And I found you have to have the mastery of your instrument, your physical instrument, your guitar, your piano, whatever. You have to have a mastery of your voice and and you have to have a mastery of lyrical writing, and you've got to be able to do them all simultaneously.

2:32:02 Speaker 6: Right.

2:32:03 Speaker 11: Right?

2:32:03 Speaker 18: And so I learned a lot about where the gaps in my preparation were and what I needed to learn. And once I kind of got all that stuff together, when I start writing now, it's a very organic process.

2:32:16 Speaker 6: Okay.

2:32:16 Speaker 18: So maybe three years ago when I wrote a song, I would be sitting in front of my computer, and I would put the parts in, and I would do them one at a time and here's the chords and here's the drums and here's the lyrics and here's the melody. And I would be sort of like a Frankensteining a song together. And it took me like a while.

2:32:34 Speaker 6: Yeah.

2:32:35 Speaker 18: I don't know, three or four weeks to write a song.

2:32:37 Speaker 10: Okay.

2:32:37 Speaker 2: Right.

2:32:38 Speaker 18: It was a lot.

2:32:39 Speaker 36: Yeah.

2:32:39 Speaker 11: Yeah.

2:32:39 Speaker 18: Um, now today, uh, having figured out what it's, what I, what's the best for me is like, okay, I sit down with, uh, my iPad, uh, and my voice recorder on my phone and, I just start playing and getting through it. And three hours later, I got a song.

2:32:58 Speaker 10: Yeah.

2:32:58 Speaker 16: Wow.

2:32:59 Speaker 2: Right.

2:33:00 Speaker 18: And so, you know, you don't know if you can do a thing. The math and science helps me learn it.

2:33:08 Speaker 10: Right.

2:33:09 Speaker 18: But it doesn't, you know, in my mind, it didn't really tell me that it was a good career choice.

2:33:16 Speaker 11: Right.

2:33:16 Speaker 10: Right. Okay.

2:33:17 Speaker 18: I'm starting to learn that I can do the thing.

2:33:19 Speaker 6: Yeah.

2:33:20 Speaker 18: And I started playing out more. I played a showcase at South by Southwest, I think in 23. And that's, I got some great feedback from the showcase. It wasn't just your mom or your friends telling you, you know, you got it. You know, it was people like professional people telling me, okay, yeah, you got something in there.

2:33:40 Speaker 6: Well, was that, was that kind of the moment where you thought, okay, this, I can do this.

2:33:45 Speaker 2: Yeah.

2:33:45 Speaker 18: It was the moment where like, okay, I'm, I'm out.

2:33:49 Speaker 11: Yeah.

2:33:50 Speaker 18: You don't, you don't really know, I'm going to call it like these journeyman professions, right? Where you don't really know you can do the thing, right? Until, you know, you've done it enough.

2:34:01 Speaker 6: Right.

2:34:02 Speaker 11: Right. Right.

2:34:02 Speaker 18: To know that, you know, okay, well you could write a song, but did people actually like your song?

2:34:07 Speaker 3: Right.

2:34:08 Speaker 18: And it was unique enough, you know, to have a brand around it.

2:34:12 Speaker 22: Yeah.

2:34:12 Speaker 18: And so you start learning some of these things. And so I think for me, uh, that was sort of when I knew, okay, uh, I mean, I could, I could play cover songs around town. I knew that. But, you know, here's my original set and people liked it and they came up afterwards and a couple of people asked me to, you know, get to book me for a tour. And so it's like, okay, well, there's something there.

2:34:37 Speaker 6: Yeah.

2:34:38 Speaker 18: And so for me, that was the moment. That was the moment I knew like, okay, well, I can do this professionally.

2:34:43 Speaker 6: Yes.

2:34:44 Speaker 18: And here I am, whatever, three years later, right?

2:34:47 Speaker 6: Doing the thing.

2:34:48 Speaker 2: You are.

2:34:49 Speaker 11: You are.

2:34:49 Speaker 6: Absolutely. Absolutely.

2:34:51 Speaker 2: Yeah.

2:34:52 Speaker 6: Absolutely. Do you want to play another song for us? Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're just joining us, Mark Winters is here with us live in studio.

2:35:00 Speaker 18: So my wife, she married an aerospace engineer.

2:35:11 Speaker 3: Yes.

2:35:12 Speaker 18: You know what I mean?

2:35:13 Speaker 23: With a.

2:35:15 Speaker 18: Regular job and a regular paycheck.

2:35:19 Speaker 2: Yep.

2:35:21 Speaker 18: And she had to put up with me pivoting. Lots of stories in there for sure. But to say thank you for sticking with me now that I have an irregular job and an irregular paycheck, I wrote her this nerdy little love song, which when I played it for her the first time... She said, oh, that's pretty nerdy.

2:35:49 Speaker 10: Really?

2:35:49 Speaker 18: I was like, okay. But it is, it's a profession of love, so I'm going to put the song out anyway.

2:35:58 Speaker 6: Okay.

2:35:59 Speaker 18: And it became one of my top streaming songs on Spotify.

2:36:03 Speaker 32: Oh.

2:36:04 Speaker 18: It's about the forces of attraction and how they are stronger than physics.

2:36:11 Speaker 11: Hmm.

2:36:15 Speaker 18: I put as many nerdy little words in it as I could.

2:36:59 Speaker 40: Standing on a cliff looking down at the ocean's brink I feel a new weight pulling down, something's changed If everything's black.

2:37:10 Speaker 23: Or white, why do neurons fly through my mind?

2:37:13 Speaker 42: I can feel our worlds collide when you whisper.

2:37:16 Speaker 39: Close I'm accelerating out of reality, maybe gravity's.

2:37:23 Speaker 20: Fate You lift me up, you hold me down It don't make sense, but it's truer now than.

2:37:34 Speaker 23: Any force on earth. Too strong to break. And if you're.

2:37:39 Speaker 19: Really real, maybe gravity's fake.

2:37:43 Speaker 4: Ooh.

2:38:00 Speaker 38: Vertigo can take a back seat You make me lose control You like.

2:38:05 Speaker 8: Too much of a good thing And I won't let go If the full moon changes the tides Let it pull your body to mine I can feel our worlds collide When you whisper close Accelerating out of reality Maybe gravity's.

2:38:23 Speaker 36: Fake You lift me up You.

2:38:27 Speaker 40: Hold me down Don't make sense but it's truer Now than.

2:38:34 Speaker 23: Any force on earth Too strong to.

2:38:37 Speaker 38: Break And if you're really real Maybe.

2:38:42 Speaker 23: Gravity's fake Ooh.

2:39:00 Speaker 38: Like metal to a magnet It's like air but I can grab it And I'm down with.

2:39:06 Speaker 8: The static I stay shocked by the way.

2:39:10 Speaker 20: You You lift me up You.

2:39:15 Speaker 39: Hold me down Don't make sense, but it's truer now than any.

2:39:23 Speaker 23: Force on earth. Too strong to break.

2:39:27 Speaker 38: And if you're really real, maybe gravity's fake.

2:39:33 Speaker 4: Ooh.

2:39:45 Speaker 43: You're really real Maybe gravity's.

2:39:49 Speaker 3: Fake Maybe gravity's fake, man.

2:40:09 Speaker 6: Very cool.

2:40:10 Speaker 10: Very cool.

2:40:11 Speaker 6: Mark Winter is here with us live in studio. And, well, hopefully she's listening.

2:40:16 Speaker 18: Well, I'm hopeful. She's heard that one. That's another thing you have to kind of get used to. I never had to worry about that in engineering. I never came home and talked about calculus when I was at home, right?

2:40:27 Speaker 6: Right.

2:40:28 Speaker 18: But, you know, I guess in the world of the arts, your family gets exposed to your art.

2:40:36 Speaker 23: Yeah.

2:40:36 Speaker 4: Often.

2:40:37 Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.

2:40:37 Speaker 23: No doubt.

2:40:38 Speaker 18: I had a really good buddy of mine, one of the gray beards who helped me sort of learn the singer-songwriter ways, Ken Gaines. And he shared with me a ton of amazing little tidbits for the career in music. And one of them was, do not expect your friends and your family to be your fans.

2:41:00 Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

2:41:01 Speaker 18: Which is, it took me a year to process that, Matt.

2:41:04 Speaker 4: Yeah.

2:41:04 Speaker 6: It was like, what?

2:41:06 Speaker 18: What does that really mean? Because the first time I create art, right? My earliest artistic experience was my grandmother teaching me to write poetry.

2:41:17 Speaker 6: Okay.

2:41:18 Speaker 18: And so I remember when I wrote my first poem, I wanted to read it for her.

2:41:26 Speaker 6: Yeah.

2:41:27 Speaker 31: Right?

2:41:27 Speaker 18: And we became poetry pals, and there was an understanding, right?

2:41:32 Speaker 6: That.

2:41:33 Speaker 18: was my first thought when I write a new song. Hey, I want to share it with my wife.

2:41:37 Speaker 11: Right.

2:41:38 Speaker 4: Right?

2:41:38 Speaker 18: And I want to share it with everybody that I know, all my friends, right? And Ken was like, no. They may not like your music. They may not like your genre of music, right? You didn't become a friend of theirs for them to listen to your music.

2:41:54 Speaker 6: Yeah.

2:41:55 Speaker 18: Now, if they just happen to like it, then that's okay, right?

2:42:01 Speaker 6: There is something weird about that, though, right? It's like you would hope that... It's funny because... So I won't say who it is because I cannot remember if this was an on-air or an off-air conversation, but there's a co-host on another show here at the station, and I won't be any more specific than that, who's a very talented singer-songwriter. Well, actually, he plays mostly covers, but I think he's written his own stuff, too. But he's like... He said one night on that show... Again, I'm not sure if it was on-air or off-air, but he said...

2:42:30 Speaker 6: yeah, my wife's never, she never sees me, she never comes see me play live. She takes zero interest in it, in what I'm doing with music. And it's like, when I hear someone say that, it's like, really? Like, it just seems odd.

2:42:46 Speaker 18: Doesn't it seem odd? Okay, so, but my wife and I, you know, I guess, interestingly enough, I'm an adult coming into this career pivot. And so, you know, the change... is more visceral for both she and I, right? So it's like, okay, well, I never would have come to her saying, I need your validation in this airplane design or this business deal, right? And that's not the thing, right? And so as I'm writing music, I'm learning a ton about friendships and boundaries in friendships because the first thing, I want to do a share, but it's like, okay.

2:43:28 Speaker 18: So I, I following my friend Ken's advice, it's like, okay, people, if they want to join my email list or they want to follow me or they want to come to a show, you know, that's awesome, but it's never a requirement and I don't talk about it.

2:43:42 Speaker 6: Right.

2:43:42 Speaker 18: Unless they talk, they bring it up to me. Like, I'd love to come to a show. When's your next show?

2:43:48 Speaker 6: Right.

2:43:48 Speaker 11: Right.

2:43:48 Speaker 18: And that, and my, my friendships are, are much more healthy today than they were when I first started. Cause I was just, you know, obsessed. And then the other thing is, You know, my wife had to deal with me, you know, learning all the stuff and whatever. And I think when you're creative, there's a passion element in what you do. And if you're not careful, your partner can get neglected or your partner can be jealous, right?

2:44:19 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.

2:44:19 Speaker 6: Both.

2:44:20 Speaker 10: Oh, yeah.

2:44:20 Speaker 31: Right?

2:44:21 Speaker 18: And so for me, like, keeping... my obsession in its box was a journey that my wife and I had to go on together. Like how much time, because I'm learning. And so I have to go through all the 10,000 steps of learning. And so I had to go through this journey with her. Like, how do I keep it in its box so that it doesn't just eat up every moment of my consciousness? And she was super helpful and sometimes the carrot, sometimes the stick.

2:44:53 Speaker 9: Right, right.

2:44:54 Speaker 18: But she was super helpful in helping me dial that in.

2:44:56 Speaker 6: Yeah.

2:44:57 Speaker 18: And I think that's an important element. And so, yeah, now she, my understanding with her is like, don't come to a show.

2:45:06 Speaker 10: Really?

2:45:07 Speaker 18: Don't come to a show unless you really want to come because she knows about them all.

2:45:12 Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah.

2:45:13 Speaker 18: Or if you really, if I really need you there for some reason, I'm going to tell you, like, this show, I really need you to show up for me. to support me. And it's like an emotional support element, not I need.

2:45:25 Speaker 12: You to buy a ticket.

2:45:26 Speaker 6: Right. Right.

2:45:27 Speaker 32: Yeah.

2:45:27 Speaker 11: Right.

2:45:28 Speaker 18: And so that's been, that's been great. So I've grown a lot and our relationship has, has evolved to allow for those kinds of things to happen. But yeah, it's, it's kind of weird because like my friends, when they're doing something artistic, because I'm thinking with the mind of an artist, right. I want to, I want to greet their project wherever it is, and I want to give them some feedback. Like, oh, Matt, this is cool. Look at this cool drawing you just did. I love it. Here are some things I like about it.

2:45:56 Speaker 18: And so it's like I'm receiving it as an artist and giving you some feedback on it.

2:46:03 Speaker 22: Right, right.

2:46:04 Speaker 18: So, yeah, an interesting journey. I never had to do any of that in engineering at all.

2:46:08 Speaker 6: Right, right.

2:46:09 Speaker 18: But it's been a fun time for sure.

2:46:12 Speaker 6: Do you ever miss anything about your, this I do remember asking you last time, but I mean, obviously you're very happy doing what you're doing now, but is there ever any part of you that misses what you used to do?

2:46:22 Speaker 18: Yeah, you know, I think I have lots of podcasts, you know, Science Friday and Discovery Weekly. So I listen a lot to what's happening in the world of the sciences.

2:46:33 Speaker 10: Yeah.

2:46:34 Speaker 18: So I have a curious mind still. You know, I think there's so much more depth in music that fits me more naturally so the creative side there's a lot of technical elements in music building a career it's like it's a 90 hour a week thing in the arts it's so competitive it's so difficult to learn all the right skills and tools.

2:47:10 Speaker 6: Like you said, it becomes an obsession because it really has to.

2:47:13 Speaker 18: Yeah, and so how do you keep it in its place? How do you do everything you can to sort of... give yourself every possible opportunity or chance? So, yeah, I don't say, like, I don't think I miss, I guess I'm a challenge-oriented person, and I like to grow and be stimulated in new areas. And so music has so many more of those benefits I don't know if I miss it. At this moment, I haven't missed it yet. How about that? That's good. So you maybe miss the regular paycheck that comes with it. Maybe that's the thing you miss the most.

2:47:51 Speaker 18: But yeah, it's been a great transistor for me thus far.

2:47:56 Speaker 6: If you're just joining us, Mark Winters is here with us live in studio. Mark, this might be foolish to ask you this question this late in the show, but because you are a scientist, I am very curious. It's a big subject. That's why I say I'm asking this question very late in the show. But you probably guessed what I'm about to ask you. AI in music. Any thoughts?

2:48:20 Speaker 18: Oh, my goodness.

2:48:23 Speaker 2: Yeah.

2:48:24 Speaker 18: So a couple of things. One is I'm very involved in the Songwriting Association back in Houston.

2:48:31 Speaker 11: Oh, good.

2:48:32 Speaker 18: And we've had many, many a debate.

2:48:34 Speaker 6: I can imagine.

2:48:35 Speaker 18: About this topic.

2:48:36 Speaker 6: Yeah.

2:48:38 Speaker 18: And I think from my days in engineering, I learned a lot about sort of technology washing through an area. And what do the remnants look like? as it washes through. I have this perspective because I've seen it have these humongous changes in industry, in the sciences in particular. I have two views. The engineer in me is like, yeah, AI's here, it's coming, it's going to wash through everything. Where do I think everything's going to go is an important part of that conversation. I'm thinking about that.

2:49:18 Speaker 18: The scientist in me has this observational element to it, and I can sort of see it and see what it's good at and what it's not good at. As an example, I use AI to help with tour routing, tour booking, what hotel am I going to stay at. It's phenomenal.

2:49:36 Speaker 10: Oh, yeah.

2:49:36 Speaker 18: It's way better than I ever was at all that sort of thing.

2:49:40 Speaker 13: Sure.

2:49:40 Speaker 5: Right?

2:49:41 Speaker 18: And so just simplistically, maybe I got back an hour and a half a day of my time just with... tour logistics and where am I staying, management, all that stuff. It's really given me a lot of time back. On the creative side, the poet in me, the philosopher in me is like, okay, well, we used to do this, we used to do that, we used to do the other. Now AI is doing that and it's doing seemingly better in many aspects. I guess I'm torn by on the AI front. And in our songwriting association, we sort of had this debate about what is songwriting in particular.

2:50:30 Speaker 2: Yeah.

2:50:30 Speaker 18: In my mind, lyric and melody, maybe a meaningful hook. That's the songwriting part. And so if it's not that,

2:50:40 Speaker 18: then as a writer and an artist, I have less skin in the game for production. As an example.

2:50:50 Speaker 16: Yeah.

2:50:51 Speaker 4: Right?

2:50:51 Speaker 18: And so, there's so many cool tools now as a writer. I can write my music and arrange it and I can use lots of AI to help me in the production phase to play around with different production, you know, to find the best version of the song.

2:51:09 Speaker 6: Right.

2:51:09 Speaker 18: It would have cost me thousands of dollars.

2:51:13 Speaker 26: Yes.

2:51:13 Speaker 18: Around every song to try to find the right vision for the song.

2:51:18 Speaker 9: Right?

2:51:19 Speaker 18: And so, But my friends who are producers are like, AI production, that's terrible, right? I don't care who wrote it. That's their view, right? Yeah, I can write it, but I want to produce it. And so I think it's like we all have our own little bias inside.

2:51:32 Speaker 6: Yeah, of course.

2:51:33 Speaker 18: My own personal view is the creative element that's important to me is the writing of the lyric and the melody and the general arrangement. And so for those things, I do them all myself, right? And so I have my I told you my writing process earlier. I do the thing, and then once I'm through the thing, this year I've been taking those and playing around a little bit in Suno with them to see what kind of arrangement I might like. But I've yet to do anything more than exploratory. All my songs, humans played all the instruments, all the things I've released, everything's been sort of a human final product, the masters and whatnot.

2:52:16 Speaker 18: And I wrote a song. about the dichotomy in my brain about this very topic.

2:52:22 Speaker 6: Oh, really?

2:52:23 Speaker 17: Yeah.

2:52:24 Speaker 18: Yeah, it's called What Does It Mean to Be Human?

2:52:27 Speaker 10: Okay.

2:52:30 Speaker 6: Do you want to play it? Yeah, let me do that. We have time.

2:52:33 Speaker 18: That's a good segue into that.

2:52:34 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd love to. I'm super curious to hear it now, especially given that conversation. Yeah, it's... It's... It's certainly.

2:52:48 Speaker 18: My brain's thought around using AI, but then wondering, okay, what's next for the human race?

2:53:00 Speaker 6: Right, right.

2:53:01 Speaker 18: For me in particular.

2:53:02 Speaker 11: Yeah.

2:53:11 Speaker 38: What does it mean to be human anyway? What does it mean to be human anyway?

2:53:27 Speaker 19: Just make it easy for me And tell me what to say Take all the steps for me And show me where to pray.

2:53:41 Speaker 23: Just tell me how I should think How to scroll and make the best link. How to break the ice, cause I never learned.

2:53:52 Speaker 42: Yeah, that would be nice.

2:54:01 Speaker 23: Take my troubles away.

2:54:03 Speaker 39: Help me to connect. Tell me what to say.

2:54:07 Speaker 42: Electrons take me closer, but I feel further away.

2:54:13 Speaker 20: Oh, oh, oh.

2:54:15 Speaker 23: Take my troubles away.

2:54:17 Speaker 39: Help me to connect Tell me what to say What to do Why I should stay And not just drift away What does.

2:54:29 Speaker 38: It mean to be human anyway? What does it mean to be human anyway?

2:54:44 Speaker 43: I think I'll just put it down.

2:54:48 Speaker 38: Walk away and find some peace.

2:54:52 Speaker 23: What if I miss the sounds?

2:54:55 Speaker 4: Will you be.

2:54:56 Speaker 20: There for me?

2:54:59 Speaker 23: Take my troubles away.

2:55:02 Speaker 39: Help me to connect Tell me what to say Electrons take me closer But I.

2:55:10 Speaker 23: Feel further away Take my troubles away.

2:55:16 Speaker 39: Help me to connect Tell me what to say What to do Why.

2:55:22 Speaker 42: I should stay And not just drift away.

2:55:27 Speaker 38: What does it mean to be human anyway?

2:55:34 Speaker 23: What does it mean to be human anyway?

2:55:47 Speaker 39: If electrons took me closer What would I miss?

2:55:53 Speaker 3: If electrons took me closer What would I miss?

2:56:15 Speaker 23: Take my troubles away. Help me to connect. Tell me what to say.

2:56:21 Speaker 42: Electrons take me closer, but I feel further away.

2:56:28 Speaker 23: Take my troubles away. Help me to connect. Tell me what to say, what to do.

2:56:36 Speaker 39: Why should I stay and not just drift away?

2:56:41 Speaker 23: What does it mean to.

2:56:42 Speaker 38: Be human anyway? What does it mean to be human anyway?

2:57:03 Speaker 6: Oh, very cool. I love it. I love it. Mark Winter is here with us live in the studio. This has been wonderful. It's great to see you. Great to have you here. Where do you go next after this?

2:57:14 Speaker 18: I'm headed to Boston. I've got some shows in the Boston area for the next two or three days.

2:57:19 Speaker 6: Outstanding.

2:57:21 Speaker 18: And just enjoying being out on the East Coast here. Then I drop down to Florida, and I have a final run down the Gulf Coast area. Uh, back to Houston, November 10th is the last, or I guess November 9th is my last show.

2:57:36 Speaker 6: Okay.

2:57:36 Speaker 18: So it's the 10th. I'm back, back home in, uh, in Houston.

2:57:39 Speaker 10: Okay.

2:57:39 Speaker 6: And then, uh, back home for how long? Like how long do you take between, uh, between runs?

2:57:45 Speaker 31: Yeah.

2:57:45 Speaker 18: You know, it's been, uh, uh, like a, a, a March, late March start for the tour. And then I take a break for the summer. So about 70 days on tour.

2:57:55 Speaker 10: Okay.

2:57:55 Speaker 18: Um, and then I take a break. So I'll be on break in the fall until, um, March, uh, like middle or end of March.

2:58:02 Speaker 6: Yeah.

2:58:03 Speaker 18: Um, and then, uh, back out on the road again, uh, headed West. So my spring tours West and North.

2:58:09 Speaker 2: Okay.

2:58:09 Speaker 18: And not fall tours is East and North.

2:58:12 Speaker 4: Okay.

2:58:12 Speaker 6: Very good. Very good. And where's the best place to go online to keep up with everything that you're doing?

2:58:17 Speaker 9: Everything.

2:58:17 Speaker 18: Mark Winters.

2:58:18 Speaker 2: Yeah.

2:58:19 Speaker 18: Uh, markwintersmusic.com. Uh, you can find everything there. You can find me under my name, uh, on any of your favorite, uh, listening platforms. Um, and, uh, If you want a little extra positive energy in your life, you can join the Positive Vibe Tribe, which is my email group.

2:58:38 Speaker 23: Okay.

2:58:39 Speaker 18: Get updates there as well.

2:58:40 Speaker 10: Okay.

2:58:41 Speaker 6: Outstanding. Outstanding. Mark, thank you so much. And thank you to everybody who joined us today on the program. We had a very busy show. Elizabeth Ropp and Jeff Davis were here. And then we had, let's see, then Adam Zane. Oh, I'm sorry. And then Gods Go First and then Adam Zane. And then, of course, Mark Winters. This is a busy one today, Mark, but this is a perfect way to end the show. Thank you so much, my friend.

2:59:01 Speaker 18: Matt, thank you so much for having me, man. I really appreciate it.

2:59:03 Speaker 6: Absolutely. And if you miss any part of today's show, it will be up in just a little bit. You can find it at WMNHradio.org or at my website, MattConnerton.com or the new website, MattConnertonUnleashed.com. And that is it for us for now. We'll talk to you all a little bit later.

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