Matt Connarton Unleashed 11-11-24

0:00 Speaker 1: Get command, don't get supremely magxilling. Hey, everybody, welcome to

0:11 Speaker 1: the first edition of Matt Connorton Unleashed AF. And if

0:15 Speaker 1: you don't know what AF stands for, just ask someone

0:18 Speaker 1: younger than you. But of course, the radio version of

0:22 Speaker 1: the show remains intact. But we've been teasing this, actually

0:25 Speaker 1: for months and months and months, an online version of

0:28 Speaker 1: the show, kind of getting back to our roots, the

0:30 Speaker 1: podcast version where we would speak about politics and other things,

0:35 Speaker 1: completely uncensored and unfettered and unleashed from the constraints of

0:40 Speaker 1: FM terrestrial radio or any kind of management oversight and

0:45 Speaker 1: so forth. So enjoining me for the first time in

0:49 Speaker 1: a very long time, my favorite conservative, Eric Pilcher is here.

0:54 Speaker 2: Hello Eric, Hello Matt. I don't know if I'm a

0:57 Speaker 2: conservative anymore, though, you know, I've had a lot of

1:03 Speaker 2: people say I'm not. Unfortunately, I think I I think

1:11 Speaker 2: I like the title independently conservative.

1:15 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, interesting. Yes, I have a family member who

1:19 Speaker 1: has said many times that you ser are not a

1:23 Speaker 1: true conservative.

1:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's rather unfortunate. I mean I will say that

1:33 Speaker 2: I'm conservative leaning.

1:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been having a little bit of a crisis

1:41 Speaker 1: with that. On my own, because as you know, I

1:43 Speaker 1: like to call myself an independent. But in the voting

1:47 Speaker 1: booth on election day, I just voted right down the ballot.

1:51 Speaker 1: I just voted for all Democrats. And I don't like

1:54 Speaker 1: being tethered to a party because of all the preconceptions

1:57 Speaker 1: that come with that from other people and so forth.

2:00 Speaker 1: Ben I don't really like being part of a club.

2:03 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I don't think I mean,

2:08 Speaker 1: unless there's a massive course correction in the Republican Party

2:11 Speaker 1: and unless they get the MAGA out of it, it's

2:13 Speaker 1: entirely likely that I don't vote for another Republican again

2:17 Speaker 1: in my lifetime, and the independence that do pop up

2:21 Speaker 1: usually end up being crazy anyway, like RFK or Jill Stein,

2:26 Speaker 1: the Green Party candidate, who I know the media doesn't

2:29 Speaker 1: pay much attention to anymore, but she may very well

2:31 Speaker 1: be a Russian asset, so you know, so I might

2:34 Speaker 1: just go back to just calling myself a Democrat. I'm

2:37 Speaker 1: registered as a Democrat, so I also I have this

2:40 Speaker 1: struggle in terms of political identity.

2:45 Speaker 2: I do as well. I'll say on my end, I

2:49 Speaker 2: didn't vote straight Republican in the state of Iowa. I

2:53 Speaker 2: voted straight Republican. I have no problem saying this by

3:01 Speaker 2: numerous numerous issues with with this individual. I did vote

3:09 Speaker 2: for Kamala Harris. The big thing is is it was

3:17 Speaker 2: a business decision. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I work for

3:22 Speaker 2: a branch of the government that Donald Trump wants to privatize. Now,

3:28 Speaker 2: as ridiculous as that sounds, and his as ridiculous as

3:35 Speaker 2: it would be, if he even tried to accomplish it,

3:39 Speaker 2: he would fail miserably. It's still a fear. And I

3:45 Speaker 2: have to vote with my I have to vote with

3:51 Speaker 2: my finances, in benefits in my future because I have

3:59 Speaker 2: a pension. I have a four oh one k I.

4:03 Speaker 2: You know, I want to be able to retire and

4:05 Speaker 2: not worry about.

4:06 Speaker 1: Money, right, right of course?

4:09 Speaker 2: And you know so so yeah, I and the Project

4:16 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five just scared the scares of daylights out

4:20 Speaker 2: of me. Yeah. I mean I read nineteen eighty four

4:25 Speaker 2: and there's some real George Orwellian stuff in there. Yeah,

4:33 Speaker 2: and you look at so Yeah. There were a lot

4:36 Speaker 2: of reasons why, but the primary one was I got

4:39 Speaker 2: to look out for my finances. On the flip side,

4:44 Speaker 2: I did not agree with her economic policy. We very

4:47 Speaker 2: little she shared, and I'm sure we will get into that. Yeah,

4:54 Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of things. And I think

5:00 Speaker 2: very early, actually, Tuesday night, I was watching and I'm like,

5:08 Speaker 2: by god, he's gonna win this. I think the writing

5:14 Speaker 2: was on the wall very early.

5:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a sinking feeling pretty early.

5:22 Speaker 2: You. I didn't have a sinking feeling. I was just

5:29 Speaker 2: like I thought we were. I thought it was going

5:33 Speaker 2: to be closer. And so that night when I got

5:40 Speaker 2: off work, I get a lot of statistical digging. And

5:47 Speaker 2: if anyone went down that rabbit hole, they should have

5:52 Speaker 2: had the same assumption that they should have had an

5:57 Speaker 2: idea of what happened Tuesday night is going to happen,

6:04 Speaker 2: because yeah, it was all right there.

6:08 Speaker 1: I was cautiously optimistic going in oh And part of

6:12 Speaker 1: what contributed to my optimism was the state of Iowa.

6:17 Speaker 1: I remember messaging you about it. That poll that did

6:21 Speaker 1: seem too good to be true, but that weird point

6:25 Speaker 1: Iowa that showed her like like or something.

6:31 Speaker 2: I show you. I saw the poll before you messaged me. Yeah,

6:35 Speaker 2: And if you, I do apologize to you. I was

6:39 Speaker 2: pretty flip it in my response to you on it.

6:42 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, we shall see, because I looked at

6:47 Speaker 2: the numbers and I'm like, this does not make any

6:52 Speaker 2: form of conceivable sense in this state.

6:56 Speaker 1: Except refresh my memory. Tell me if I'm getting this

6:59 Speaker 1: right or not. Didn't he not do great in the primary?

7:03 Speaker 2: There?

7:04 Speaker 1: Didn't Nicky Haley. I don't think she beat him. I

7:06 Speaker 1: don't think she beat him anywhere. But didn't she do

7:08 Speaker 1: respect respectably?

7:10 Speaker 2: We did it? She did enough to keep the train

7:13 Speaker 2: rolling to New Hampshire. Yeah, I will say at the

7:19 Speaker 2: caucus in my area, and I've went over that whole

7:24 Speaker 2: snaff who I heard from many people that in many

7:32 Speaker 2: caucuses Trump was three to one for every three Donald

7:38 Speaker 2: Trump supporters, there was one Nicky Haley supporter. I heard

7:42 Speaker 2: when you got when you went into southern Iowa, she

7:49 Speaker 2: wasn't viable. Okay, So once you got into our heavy

7:56 Speaker 2: farming areas, she wasn't viable. I think the viability for

8:07 Speaker 2: her came from areas such as Des Moines, Theater, Rapids,

8:13 Speaker 2: Iowa City. I think that's where a good portion of

8:17 Speaker 2: our viability carried over in Iowa and kind of gave

8:22 Speaker 2: her a sense of false hope. But pulling in Iowa,

8:26 Speaker 2: in my opinion, has always been vastly hard to predict

8:31 Speaker 2: what's accurate and what's not for the simple fact that

8:34 Speaker 2: we're like a state torn we are very much either

8:43 Speaker 2: metropolitan or farming.

8:45 Speaker 1: Okay.

8:46 Speaker 2: And you and when people and when these companies pull

8:50 Speaker 2: magazines and colleges and what have you, when they pulled,

8:55 Speaker 2: they do not take that into account. They really randomized. Say,

9:00 Speaker 2: Iowa should actually be split. If you're gonna pull Iowa,

9:04 Speaker 2: you should pull Iowa City, Cedar Rapids, Des Moines, Waterloo,

9:10 Speaker 2: Cedar Falls. You should. You should do all the major cities, Davenport, Bettendorf, Council, No,

9:22 Speaker 2: not council Pluck. You should do the urban areas as

9:26 Speaker 2: their own pole and then move to the farming communities,

9:30 Speaker 2: and then you would see the great variance that happens there. Well.

9:36 Speaker 1: In a sense, though, I think you could probably say

9:37 Speaker 1: that about most states, because urban urban centers tend to

9:42 Speaker 1: be more liberal and rural areas tend to be more conservatives.

9:45 Speaker 1: And that's why that's why when you look at an

9:47 Speaker 1: electoral college map, it looks like, you know, there's so

9:51 Speaker 1: much red. Of course Trump did so well, that's also

9:55 Speaker 1: part of why there's a lot of red, But even

9:57 Speaker 1: even just when a Democrat wins it. You know, it

9:59 Speaker 1: looks very because those urban centers are so concentrated. But

10:05 Speaker 1: here in New Hampshire, it's it's interesting. We like to

10:08 Speaker 1: really split things up. You know, we just elected a

10:12 Speaker 1: new Republican governor, but our congressional delegation remains Democrats. And

10:17 Speaker 1: of course we always you know, we went for Kamala Harris.

10:21 Speaker 1: We haven't gone Republican in a presidential election since two thousand.

10:26 Speaker 1: We went for Bush in two thousand. Since then, it's

10:28 Speaker 1: been blue ever since. I don't think they even really

10:33 Speaker 1: I haven't heard us referred to as a swing state

10:36 Speaker 1: in a while.

10:37 Speaker 2: I don't think we used to be.

10:39 Speaker 1: We used to be, yeah, but I think I mean,

10:41 Speaker 1: at this point, I think we've pretty well assimilated into

10:44 Speaker 1: the rest of the northeast Iowa.

10:48 Speaker 2: I believe it is still considered a swing state by

10:54 Speaker 2: some outlets and some government figures, but realist stickley, we

11:00 Speaker 2: shouldn't be. We are a Republican state. And at the

11:06 Speaker 2: end of the day, and when I said that you

11:08 Speaker 2: really need to split this state, I was talking if

11:12 Speaker 2: you're pulling in regards to straight Republicans, because that's where

11:21 Speaker 2: the divide comes in the farming areas are not going

11:25 Speaker 2: to a majority of them in Iowa are not going

11:29 Speaker 2: to go Democrat. It just isn't gonna happen. So you

11:34 Speaker 2: can go to areas like solin Urbandale, Fenterville, Council Bluffs

11:43 Speaker 2: and you're gonna get just it's gonna be Red Kingdom.

11:50 Speaker 2: That's why else i was very hard to gauge because

11:53 Speaker 2: then you get into the metropolitan areas and they the

12:00 Speaker 2: farming areas are overwhelmingly read, the metropolitan areas are split.

12:06 Speaker 2: I would say in Cedar Rapids for every one Trump

12:10 Speaker 2: sign I saw, I saw a Harris sign. H it's

12:14 Speaker 2: pretty even. And that's the same for des Moines on

12:18 Speaker 2: Iowa City, on down on down the line, Waterloo, maybe

12:23 Speaker 2: not because they're more of an urban area, a lot

12:28 Speaker 2: very diverse area Waterloo is, so maybe not there, but

12:33 Speaker 2: aims where Iowa State University is, that's considered a farming

12:38 Speaker 2: community probably I would say seventy thirty Trump Okay, So

12:44 Speaker 2: it's it's very Iowa was very bizarre, and that's why

12:50 Speaker 2: I think a lot of importance is put not on

12:54 Speaker 2: winning Iowa, but how do you perform in Iowa? Yeah,

12:58 Speaker 2: because if you can be viable in Iowa, that proves

13:01 Speaker 2: you can cater to many different people of many different backgrounds.

13:08 Speaker 2: If you're not viable in Iowa, that's why after the

13:13 Speaker 2: Iowa caucuses, I feel you see so many people drop out.

13:16 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because it's oh I couldn't get through this

13:22 Speaker 2: cornucopia potpourria people, Right, where do I go?

13:28 Speaker 1: Well, some candidates just skip Iowa entirely, Yes, but Iowa

13:33 Speaker 1: can be an important springboard. I still vividly remember in

13:38 Speaker 1: two thousand and four when it really looked like it

13:41 Speaker 1: looked like Howard Dean was going to win all these

13:45 Speaker 1: primaries and caucuses and become the nominee, and then all

13:48 Speaker 1: of a sudden, John Carrey, out of nowhere, captures the

13:52 Speaker 1: Iowa caucus and then goes on to win the New

13:54 Speaker 1: Hampshire primary, and then next thing you know, Dean was

13:57 Speaker 1: I can't stay long but not forgotten because of that

13:59 Speaker 1: sound that he made. But but Dean was very quickly

14:03 Speaker 1: left in the dust. So Iowa can be very important

14:06 Speaker 1: that way. But it's it's always interesting every cycle every

14:09 Speaker 1: four years to see which candidates place a heavy bet

14:13 Speaker 1: on Iowa and which ones just say no. We're going

14:16 Speaker 1: to focus on New Hampshire first in the nation, or

14:22 Speaker 1: whoever is first in the nation, because Biden didn't want

14:26 Speaker 1: New Hampshire to be first anymore. But anyway, Yeah, So,

14:30 Speaker 1: so you were pretty skeptical obviously about that poll, and

14:33 Speaker 1: I was, I was, I was being cautiously optimistic, but

14:39 Speaker 1: so did you. So in uh on your ballot, so

14:44 Speaker 1: you voted for Kamala but everyone else Republican, Is that correct?

14:47 Speaker 2: Yes, everyone else Republican.

14:50 Speaker 1: Was Kim re I know Kim Reynolds is very popular.

14:52 Speaker 1: Was she up for she is?

14:53 Speaker 2: No, she will be twenty twenty six, Okay, okay, and

15:00 Speaker 2: good luck, good luck, good luck to anyone trying to

15:05 Speaker 2: unseat her. Well, yeah, because I mean, you've got to

15:09 Speaker 2: look at Iowa's history. We had Terry Brand's STAD for

15:13 Speaker 2: so long. Yeah, and then we had Check Culver for

15:17 Speaker 2: a little bit, and and then yeah, then Kim Reynolds

15:29 Speaker 2: came in. And Kim Reynolds was actually lieutenant was deputy

15:36 Speaker 2: governor to Terry Brand's dada, So you yah had that

15:42 Speaker 2: and I actually think Brand's dad came in. He came

15:49 Speaker 2: in again a little for I think a term after

15:52 Speaker 2: chat okay, and then Kim Reynolds came into.

15:55 Speaker 1: Play because was very popular too.

15:58 Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, I mean Branstead's kid had so multiple

16:05 Speaker 2: dwi's in like his family values were called into question,

16:12 Speaker 2: and that still couldn't unseat him. And I'll say I

16:15 Speaker 2: ate lunch with Terry Brandstad once and very endearing guy.

16:22 Speaker 2: Actually I was in college and he gave me his

16:25 Speaker 2: card and said if I ever needed anything, call him.

16:29 Speaker 2: And I was doing an article about MMA in Iowa

16:33 Speaker 2: and how they were trying to deregulate it and the

16:40 Speaker 2: two the two representative spearheading it wouldn't get back to me.

16:46 Speaker 2: So I shot in the dark, called him and left

16:49 Speaker 2: a message, and I want to say, within two and

16:52 Speaker 2: a half days he got back to me and actually

16:55 Speaker 2: remembered me from this media conference.

16:58 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's good and.

17:01 Speaker 2: He so I will always have kind of a special

17:05 Speaker 2: place for Terry Bryant's Stead.

17:07 Speaker 1: For that that makes sense.

17:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, I I won't. I won't say you can argue

17:13 Speaker 2: as policies and everything, but to do that for a

17:18 Speaker 2: young man when I was a young man at a

17:22 Speaker 2: community college out of Cedar Rapids, Iowa, you know that

17:29 Speaker 2: that's something not seen.

17:33 Speaker 1: So should we should we talk about you had you

17:38 Speaker 1: had messaged me and you said, and uh, this will

17:42 Speaker 1: be I think an interesting thing to analyze, although depressing

17:47 Speaker 1: in some ways. But you had said that you blame

17:49 Speaker 1: Biden uh for for this? Uh for yeah, and uh

17:54 Speaker 1: and I do too. Fundamentally.

17:57 Speaker 2: There's there's a lot of blame. Oh there, yeah, a

18:00 Speaker 2: lot around in this.

18:02 Speaker 1: A lot of things went wrong here, I did.

18:04 Speaker 2: I think, I as succinctly as I could said it

18:10 Speaker 2: on the Facebook status what I felt went wrong one

18:16 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris was not likable.

18:22 Speaker 1: I disagree with you there, but but but go ahead.

18:26 Speaker 2: I mean, you gov. And I'm looking at it right

18:29 Speaker 2: now on five thirty eight, which is the only side

18:32 Speaker 2: I trust. Yeah, in regards to statistical analysis, I.

18:38 Speaker 1: Was looking at five thirty eight quite a bit leading

18:40 Speaker 1: up to the election. I know exactly what you mean, yep.

18:42 Speaker 2: I mean because five thirty eight was probably the only

18:45 Speaker 2: website that was without showing any favoritism saying this could happen. Yeah,

18:56 Speaker 2: I mean, they're the numbers were pretty spot on. I mean,

19:01 Speaker 2: she was favorable forty seven percent, uh fifty one percent

19:08 Speaker 2: unfavorable according to YouGov. And that was November sixth, and

19:13 Speaker 2: that was right around election time. Biden, according to Atlas Intel,

19:21 Speaker 2: had a fifty five percent disapproval rating. His disapproval rating

19:26 Speaker 2: went up by thirteen points if we look at the

19:32 Speaker 2: same Paul Trump's favorability was forty nine fifty unfavorable. But

19:42 Speaker 2: the margin of error is one. Yeah, so we really

19:47 Speaker 2: had a country split. Chris Christy on election night, because

19:51 Speaker 2: I watched ABC for the coverage, Chris Christy said something

19:56 Speaker 2: very intelligent. He said, sixty percent of Americans don't like

20:04 Speaker 2: the way the country's going, seventy percent of Americans. I

20:09 Speaker 2: don't know where he got the seventy percent from, but whatever,

20:14 Speaker 2: he said, seventy percent of Americans do not like Donald Trump.

20:20 Speaker 2: This election came down to which side was going to

20:23 Speaker 2: pull people over, right, And what happened is seventy percent

20:31 Speaker 2: that seventy percent that disliked Trump disliked the way the

20:36 Speaker 2: country was going more. Yeah, and that's what happened. And

20:43 Speaker 2: there's a lot of things. I think Kamala Harris only

20:47 Speaker 2: having one hundred and seven days to run.

20:49 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it was a compressed campaign. I actually

20:53 Speaker 1: thought that might work to her advantage in some ways.

20:56 Speaker 2: If they would have let her hire her own staff,

21:00 Speaker 2: which they did not do. She inherited Joe Biden's team.

21:05 Speaker 1: And and and she didn't even get all of them

21:06 Speaker 1: from what I understand, right, yeah.

21:10 Speaker 2: Because he took some of them for his transition team,

21:13 Speaker 2: right right, So she didn't even have a full staff.

21:17 Speaker 1: Yeah.

21:19 Speaker 2: Another thing, if I had to say, in my opinion,

21:23 Speaker 2: when the kill shot occurred on Kamala Harris and kill

21:28 Speaker 2: shots probably the wrong word to use. When when the

21:32 Speaker 2: death blow occurred.

21:34 Speaker 1: Well, death blow is not much better, but well, at

21:36 Speaker 1: least that doesn't sound like a gun.

21:37 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, when the when? The when? When? When the uh?

21:42 Speaker 2: When the plug was pulled?

21:45 Speaker 1: Well, now, way how you make it sound like this was?

21:47 Speaker 2: Uh?

21:47 Speaker 1: This we euthanized her.

21:50 Speaker 2: You know what? When when I felt she was done,

21:54 Speaker 2: then did you miss me? Eric Brightly? When I felt

22:00 Speaker 2: he was done, when I was like, oh man, this

22:07 Speaker 2: person is in trouble. Donald Trump and people you can't see,

22:12 Speaker 2: but I am doing air quotes. Was working at McDonald's

22:19 Speaker 2: on that very same day. Kamala Harris was on the

22:23 Speaker 2: view taking where You're going, taking some very softball answers,

22:31 Speaker 2: taking some very softball questions. He was asked one question

22:36 Speaker 2: that stood out.

22:37 Speaker 1: To me, I know where you're going.

22:39 Speaker 2: If you could change any decision made by the Biden

22:43 Speaker 2: administration the last four years, what would it be. He

22:50 Speaker 2: paused to think about it and then turn and said

22:56 Speaker 2: two words, absolutely nothing.

23:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was awful, And you know what's

23:04 Speaker 1: so maddening about that. That was like you said, it

23:07 Speaker 1: was a softball. And any professional politician knows how to

23:11 Speaker 1: pivot and what she should have done, in my opinion,

23:14 Speaker 1: has said something like, well, I'm not focused on on, uh,

23:19 Speaker 1: you know, revisiting or rehashing the decisions that we've made.

23:22 Speaker 1: I'm focused on taking what we've accomplished in the Biden

23:26 Speaker 1: Harris administration and building on that and continuing to move forward,

23:30 Speaker 1: or something like that. That would have been an easy pivot.

23:33 Speaker 1: Any professional politician, you know, a state rep in New Hampshire,

23:37 Speaker 1: would be able to pull that off. But for some reason,

23:39 Speaker 1: in that moment, it's like she.

23:42 Speaker 2: Got she thought, she paused to think that I.

23:48 Speaker 1: Know, and that Yeah, that was terrible. That was a

23:51 Speaker 1: terrible moment. And what's even worse, she then circled back

23:55 Speaker 1: and tried to clean it up later. And that was

23:57 Speaker 1: the biggest awkward, the big.

24:01 Speaker 2: And I gotta give credit here to my friend Jordan

24:04 Speaker 2: Turchka Cychlic. He gave me this analogy and I'm running

24:07 Speaker 2: with it. The biggest dog ate my homework. Reason. I

24:15 Speaker 2: didn't want to show disrespect to Joe Biden. So bad Kamala.

24:22 Speaker 2: That's politics. Hurdle the weak, trample the dead. Kamala. He's

24:28 Speaker 2: a lame duck. But you you as your race to run.

24:32 Speaker 1: But she didn't even have to do that though, Like

24:34 Speaker 1: I said, she could have just pivoted and said because

24:36 Speaker 1: that's what I mean, that's what any normal politicians would

24:39 Speaker 1: have done in that moment, is just pivoting because as

24:41 Speaker 1: you know, Eric, I mean, rule number one in politics,

24:44 Speaker 1: you never answer the question that was asked. Nope, you

24:46 Speaker 1: answered the question that you wish had been asked. If

24:49 Speaker 1: they happen to match up, that's fine.

24:51 Speaker 2: Unless you're Donald Trump on Joe Rogan. Well, yeah, you

24:56 Speaker 2: just answer every question. And I think and we'll get

25:00 Speaker 2: to that later because I want to touch on that

25:03 Speaker 2: because yeah, but no, I totally agree she should have pivoted.

25:09 Speaker 2: The best answer would have been whenever you look back

25:14 Speaker 2: on any term of service, you always have regrets. I

25:18 Speaker 2: regret and I apologize to the American people. I did

25:22 Speaker 2: not serve to the best of my capabilities.

25:25 Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think that would have worked.

25:27 Speaker 2: It would have worked better than absolutely none.

25:30 Speaker 1: Well, I agree with that. I still think, respectfully, I

25:33 Speaker 1: think my idea is a little better.

25:35 Speaker 2: But yeah, but there is still some because I looked

25:41 Speaker 2: at it and I'm like, what a stupid response. But

25:44 Speaker 2: then I thought about it more, and it's like, what

25:48 Speaker 2: an insensitive response you have? An I get it. You know,

25:57 Speaker 2: poor economy, good economy is always on the sitting office. Yes,

26:02 Speaker 2: and it might not necessarily even be their fault. A

26:05 Speaker 2: little bit of a schoolhouse rock politics for you there,

26:09 Speaker 2: for those uninitiated.

26:11 Speaker 1: It's almost never their fault in my opinion, which puts

26:14 Speaker 1: me at odds with I think ninety nine point nine

26:16 Speaker 1: percent of Americans. But I write, I think we're a

26:18 Speaker 1: nation of low information voters who don't understand a damn

26:21 Speaker 1: thing about the economy.

26:24 Speaker 2: But that's look up tariffs. People understand what these are

26:31 Speaker 2: moving on. It's he should have at the very least

26:39 Speaker 2: showed sensitivity towards the American people that can't afford food, Yeah,

26:46 Speaker 2: that are having to choose between medications or a square meal, right,

26:54 Speaker 2: that can't afford to drive to work, that can't afford

26:59 Speaker 2: to clothe their Yeah, that was very tone deaf and

27:04 Speaker 2: very insensitive. But if I'm going to be honest, tone deaf,

27:08 Speaker 2: is the Democratic Party as a whole right now?

27:11 Speaker 1: Right now? I would say, for a long time my

27:15 Speaker 1: biggest problem because you know, I'm I lean left, I'm

27:19 Speaker 1: you know, kind of pretty liberal in a lot of ways.

27:23 Speaker 1: So I end up voting for Democrats, And like I said,

27:25 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll ever vote for another Republican.

27:27 Speaker 1: But the Democratic Party is horrendous at messaging, horrendous, and

27:37 Speaker 1: on the very rare occasion that somebody comes along that

27:40 Speaker 1: actually is able to communicate effectively, what happens. They end

27:44 Speaker 1: up serving two terms as president, whether it be Bill

27:47 Speaker 1: Clinton or Barack Obama, two Democrats who Wow, imagine that

27:52 Speaker 1: actually understood how to explain things to people, how to

27:55 Speaker 1: communicate to the American people. But almost every other Democrat

28:00 Speaker 1: it's like they can't like this. Well, the thing is

28:05 Speaker 1: the fundamentals of this economy are actually very good, and

28:10 Speaker 1: when you look at inflation, we've done better than almost

28:13 Speaker 1: the entire rest of the world with inflation in terms

28:16 Speaker 1: of this post pandemic hangover, and now inflation is stabilized, so,

28:21 Speaker 1: you know, but they can't they can't communicate any of that.

28:25 Speaker 1: They can't figure out how to communicate. I mean, my god,

28:28 Speaker 1: when we talk about immigration, you know, and Trump wants

28:30 Speaker 1: to you know, I don't want personally, I don't like

28:33 Speaker 1: the term illegal aliens. I call them undocumented immigrants. But

28:35 Speaker 1: Trump wants to deport them all. And of course people

28:38 Speaker 1: are like, yeah, I get rid of them all. And

28:40 Speaker 1: it's like, well, actually, if you were to do that,

28:42 Speaker 1: if you were to literally do that, even though it's

28:44 Speaker 1: impossible it's not gonna happen anyway, but if you were

28:46 Speaker 1: to literally do that, that would be devastate, devastating to

28:49 Speaker 1: the economy. But Democrats can't explain that to people because

28:55 Speaker 1: Democrats can't explain anything.

29:00 Speaker 2: So it's so frustrated. It's it's the term is thrown

29:07 Speaker 2: around a lot lately. Man splaining. They man splain to

29:13 Speaker 2: their constituents, and they talk down to them as if

29:20 Speaker 2: you should know this, but let me take time out

29:23 Speaker 2: of my day to teach you something. They cater towards

29:28 Speaker 2: their one percent. They cater towards that elite group, and

29:36 Speaker 2: that's just so horribly misguided because you sit there and

29:42 Speaker 2: you watch Kamala Harris and you want you I watched

29:48 Speaker 2: a couple of her rallies. Actually, the SPAN did a

29:52 Speaker 2: great job of showing the rallies in their full dumpster

29:58 Speaker 2: fire glory.

30:00 Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought I thought some of those

30:01 Speaker 1: rallies were pretty good. I thought she ran a decent

30:04 Speaker 1: campaign overall.

30:05 Speaker 2: For I think she did.

30:08 Speaker 1: I think she improved. I was very skeptical in the beginning,

30:11 Speaker 1: let me put it that way, but I think she

30:15 Speaker 1: did the best she could with a very compressed time

30:18 Speaker 1: frame that she had.

30:18 Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Yeah, that one and seven days,

30:22 Speaker 2: And you know, a lot of me is I don't know.

30:28 Speaker 2: I sit here and I scroll through social media and

30:32 Speaker 2: I see a lot of anger. And that happens when

30:35 Speaker 2: you lose. I'm a sports fan. When you lose, you're

30:39 Speaker 2: mad at the world. But there's this vitriol coming from

30:44 Speaker 2: the left, and I get some of it. Not every

30:49 Speaker 2: single person, and this might shock you, not every single

30:57 Speaker 2: person that voted for Donald Trump is homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic,

31:04 Speaker 2: or a misogynist. They're just not. We have this privilege

31:10 Speaker 2: and this I feel it's a civic duty to go vote.

31:16 Speaker 2: That's what makes us different than other countries. That's what

31:21 Speaker 2: puts us, in my opinion, a step above other countries.

31:26 Speaker 2: We have the right to say and it takes maybe

31:30 Speaker 2: thirty minutes out of your day to go and check

31:34 Speaker 2: the box. Yeah, you know, it doesn't matter. I don't

31:39 Speaker 2: care if you vote because you like the color someone

31:43 Speaker 2: wre you voted, you had your say. If you voted,

31:48 Speaker 2: you had your say and you lost. I get it.

31:51 Speaker 2: You have family members that are LGBTQI or a minor

32:00 Speaker 2: already there's a little bit of fear. But to attack

32:04 Speaker 2: those that just voted for their best interests what voting

32:09 Speaker 2: really is about, is wrong. And I mean, I just

32:14 Speaker 2: I have this issue with it. And to be fair,

32:16 Speaker 2: I had an issue when Trump's supporters did it four

32:20 Speaker 2: years ago, saying things that's not my president, or good work. Look,

32:26 Speaker 2: one of the favorite ones is good work libertads. It's like, look,

32:36 Speaker 2: the only way the government does everything you don't want

32:42 Speaker 2: them to do is if we are so divided, we

32:49 Speaker 2: can't we can't even be in the same distance with

32:53 Speaker 2: each other. That's how they have their That's how they

32:58 Speaker 2: get the power to do the things that scare us

33:02 Speaker 2: and you. I I have had conversations with friends that

33:08 Speaker 2: are Democrats over this. Once they got over their complete

33:15 Speaker 2: a gas that I voted for Kamala Harris, I explained

33:19 Speaker 2: to them why she lost and just again, the numbers,

33:26 Speaker 2: the numbers do not lie. This was this was a

33:32 Speaker 2: giant stamp of disapproval on the Democratic Party as a whole.

33:39 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean you know Trump. I mean he

33:44 Speaker 1: took all the swing states, every single one of them.

33:46 Speaker 1: It's it's.

33:51 Speaker 2: Sorry to interrupt, man, not to Kamala Harris didn't. Wasn't

33:56 Speaker 2: the And I really disliked the coverage on election night

33:59 Speaker 2: on that It was Kamala underperformed here, here, and here

34:04 Speaker 2: and here come. And Kamala underperformed every area, every city

34:10 Speaker 2: in the United States that Joe Biden performed performed in

34:16 Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Yeah, and it's like, no dig deeper. Every

34:23 Speaker 2: Democrat underperformed every benchmark from twenty twenty.

34:28 Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing they didn't show up. I mean

34:31 Speaker 1: the numbers of Democrats who voted was so much, I

34:33 Speaker 1: mean so much lower. This time.

34:36 Speaker 2: They even underperformed from twenty twenty two. Yes, which is

34:45 Speaker 2: astounding giving given the given the low turnout of twenty

34:51 Speaker 2: twenty two for Democrats, and the just just the gravity

34:59 Speaker 2: of this election. It's one thing to be upset if

35:02 Speaker 2: you voted. It's another thing entirely to be upset if

35:06 Speaker 2: you just sated home on your hands and watch the

35:10 Speaker 2: results roll that roll in and say, oh gee, this sucks.

35:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think about I suspect we'll agree

35:21 Speaker 3: on this, But there are those who are beginning to say, oh,

35:26 Speaker 3: maybe Biden should have stayed in because of the way

35:28 Speaker 3: that Kamala underperformed.

35:30 Speaker 1: Maybe it was a bad idea to change horses midstream.

35:33 Speaker 1: My opinion on that is, I think that's silly, because

35:36 Speaker 1: at least with Kamala we had a chance. Whereas I mean,

35:40 Speaker 1: I'm not good at math, but I think I understand

35:43 Speaker 1: some of the basic tenets of probability theory. With Biden,

35:46 Speaker 1: we had zero chance. As soon as that what debate happened,

35:50 Speaker 1: we had the chance of beating Trump went to zero

35:53 Speaker 1: with Biden. So at least with Kamala we had a chance.

35:57 Speaker 1: Because on the night of that debate with Trump and Biden,

36:00 Speaker 1: I said it on social media too. I said it

36:03 Speaker 1: was like Biden was handing the keys to the White

36:05 Speaker 1: House in real time over to Trump and said, here,

36:08 Speaker 1: you take it. In January, it was that bad. And

36:11 Speaker 1: at least when Kamala became the nominee, there was a

36:14 Speaker 1: burst of energy, there was some excitement, there was some enthusiasm,

36:18 Speaker 1: and some relief didn't pan out. But but I don't

36:21 Speaker 1: I don't think it would have made any sense at

36:23 Speaker 1: all to stick with I don't. I think if we

36:26 Speaker 1: had stuck with Biden, it would have been a literal landslide.

36:30 Speaker 1: I think Trump actually could have turned for maybe only

36:33 Speaker 1: one cycle, but a couple of blue states read I

36:36 Speaker 1: think I think people were that.

36:38 Speaker 2: I don't think it would have even gotten to Pennsylvania. Yeah,

36:42 Speaker 2: I think Pennsylvania would have been the big to do it,

36:45 Speaker 2: was right. I think the Midwest, Yeah, the Midwest would

36:50 Speaker 2: have done it. I mean, he wouldn't have gotten to

36:52 Speaker 2: two seventy obviously, but the numbers would have been just

36:57 Speaker 2: so harrowing, Yeah, and just devastating. Yeah to the party.

37:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, it would have been much worse.

37:08 Speaker 2: No, I personally think Joe Biden should have been forced

37:13 Speaker 2: out before right after he said I'm rerunning again. Someone

37:18 Speaker 2: should have taken him into a room, given him a

37:20 Speaker 2: nice little pudding cup, set him down with some popsicle

37:24 Speaker 2: sticks and some glue, and said, now, Joe, we're gonna

37:28 Speaker 2: have craft time and you're gonna sit here and we're

37:32 Speaker 2: gonna talk about this. See here's what you think the

37:37 Speaker 2: world is. And I would have shown him a picture

37:39 Speaker 2: of the Teletubbies dancing under a rainbow, and then I

37:43 Speaker 2: would have then showed him a very scary movie and

37:46 Speaker 2: been like, this is what the world really is, Joe.

37:50 Speaker 2: And I'm coming off as a complete insufferable individual right now,

37:58 Speaker 2: but that's the reality.

38:00 Speaker 1: This is the right thing for it. Don't worry about.

38:02 Speaker 2: They should have forced him out. They should have been like, look,

38:09 Speaker 2: you can stay president, that is fine, but twenty twenty

38:13 Speaker 2: four is off the table for you. I think had

38:16 Speaker 2: they done that.

38:17 Speaker 1: Well, it's basically what happened, though, isn't it. I mean

38:19 Speaker 1: it took a little while, but they did. It was

38:22 Speaker 1: so little time. I mean, it was everyone's like, well,

38:27 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris didn't do Joe Rogan. When did she have

38:31 Speaker 1: the time she should have? In my opinion, she should have.

38:36 Speaker 2: I think a Graver mistake for her was not courting rfk.

38:42 Speaker 1: Ooh, I don't know.

38:43 Speaker 2: That's a third rail, Uh, third rail or not. I

38:48 Speaker 2: think can helped Trump?

38:50 Speaker 1: Do you think so? I think it did that. I

38:53 Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think it was a factor.

38:55 Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think it's as big of

38:57 Speaker 2: a factor as as the view was. I don't think

39:02 Speaker 2: it was as big of a factor as Kamala and

39:06 Speaker 2: not embracing the youth movement by doing the Joe Rogan podcast.

39:11 Speaker 2: She was actually invited by Barstool Sports to do a

39:16 Speaker 2: podcast in flat out turn them down. She didn't even

39:20 Speaker 2: give them the Joe Rogan offer of you can travel

39:23 Speaker 2: to Washington, DC. Yeah, but Trump embraced Joe Rogan, Barsteel,

39:32 Speaker 2: Theo Vaughn, the broken Computer, and they in brochure bro

39:39 Speaker 2: culture and Matt I actually think he'll agree with me.

39:43 Speaker 2: Bro culture doesn't show up to the polls. They just don't.

39:49 Speaker 2: But I don't know.

39:50 Speaker 1: I think they did this time.

39:52 Speaker 2: That's what I'm getting at. They did this time because

39:56 Speaker 2: they had a bro that they could go with. Can

40:00 Speaker 2: get the guys? Donald Trump brought on stage Dana Bleeping White. Yeah,

40:07 Speaker 2: I mean there is I love Dana White to death,

40:11 Speaker 2: and I think he is one of the greatest pro

40:16 Speaker 2: sports UH directors out there. What he did to bring

40:24 Speaker 2: sports back during the pandemic, he deserves an award for

40:31 Speaker 2: in my opinion.

40:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have mixed feelings about the guy. I have

40:35 Speaker 1: some ambivalence about him. There's some things about him that

40:36 Speaker 1: really bothered me. But I but I get what you're saying,

40:39 Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't hold it against him that

40:41 Speaker 1: he loves Trump. I get it in the case of

40:43 Speaker 1: Dana White, because when UFC was you know, Trump Trump

40:48 Speaker 1: gave in Vegas, gave UFC a venue no.

40:53 Speaker 2: Trump Plaza in uh New Jersey as well.

40:57 Speaker 1: Oh New Jersey. That's what I'm thinking. I'm sorry, Yeah,

40:59 Speaker 1: I'm getting mixed up. But yeah, so yeah Trump Trump

41:04 Speaker 1: really helped UFC out early when they were having trouble

41:08 Speaker 1: booking at at venues. So I I get it. You

41:11 Speaker 1: know that that's a loyalty. Hey, look, if Donald Trump

41:14 Speaker 1: helped me with my business in some way, uh, you know,

41:17 Speaker 1: I might feel the same.

41:18 Speaker 2: Saved you from bankruptcy. Let's put this in perspective. You

41:23 Speaker 2: want to people want to sit here and go after

41:26 Speaker 2: Dana White for being that. You can go after Dana

41:29 Speaker 2: White for whatever you want. Believe me, he gives he

41:32 Speaker 2: gives people ammunition every day.

41:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, the video of him slapping his wife doesn't say

41:37 Speaker 1: well with me, But that's a big.

41:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, my thing, my thing, My thing with that was

41:45 Speaker 2: that's another sub Yeah another day.

41:48 Speaker 1: We'll talk about that another day, I'm sure.

41:50 Speaker 2: But but yeah, yeah, personal feelings nonwithstanding, he that Dana

41:58 Speaker 2: White is like the chief you want. Uh, it's Dana Why?

42:10 Speaker 2: Actually no, No, I gotta go with Gana because Dana

42:17 Speaker 2: lives that bro lifestyle. He lives in a mansion in

42:22 Speaker 2: Las Vegas. He drives uh six figure car to his

42:30 Speaker 2: office every day. The man doesn't even have to work anymore.

42:35 Speaker 2: He has more money than what he knows what to

42:37 Speaker 2: do with after I never brought him bottom out. He

42:41 Speaker 2: works because he genuinely loves what he does. Yeah so,

42:50 Speaker 2: and he is one of the hardest working men in

42:53 Speaker 2: professional sports. Uh So, all of that nonwithstanding, I say,

43:00 Speaker 2: Dave Portnoy's a close second.

43:03 Speaker 1: Yeah.

43:03 Speaker 2: I think what hurts Stave Portnoy with the Bros Is

43:06 Speaker 2: his love of Taylor Swift. Oh.

43:08 Speaker 1: I think I didn't know that.

43:10 Speaker 2: Oh, he's a huge swiftye. I think that kind of

43:13 Speaker 2: takes him down a little bit. I'm a closet swifty.

43:17 Speaker 2: I don't know if you knew that or not.

43:19 Speaker 1: I didn't. I admire and respect her, I don't really

43:22 Speaker 1: care about her music.

43:23 Speaker 2: One. I think she's I look, game, respects game. Yeah,

43:28 Speaker 2: he is talented and her songs are catchy. I could

43:33 Speaker 2: be throwing mail at the post office and you will

43:36 Speaker 2: catch me singing one of her songs. Yeah yeah, I

43:40 Speaker 2: mean yeah, so Biden, so yeah, But I think we agree.

43:46 Speaker 1: I mean, Biden obviously should not have run for a

43:48 Speaker 1: second term.

43:51 Speaker 2: No.

43:52 Speaker 1: I My my position was, well, you know, when the

43:55 Speaker 1: debate happened, I said, okay, I said this election is over,

43:59 Speaker 1: not not foreseeing that he would get out. I thought, no,

44:02 Speaker 1: this election's already over. But I but I kind of

44:04 Speaker 1: thought that before. You know, I always kind of took

44:07 Speaker 1: the Bill Maher position, because Bill Maher way before anyone

44:11 Speaker 1: else was was saying that Biden cannot be Trump a

44:14 Speaker 1: second time, because we were watching this man get old

44:19 Speaker 1: very and the president does age you and I even

44:22 Speaker 1: I don't know if you did anything like this, Eric,

44:24 Speaker 1: or if any anyone else listening to this might have.

44:26 Speaker 1: But I actually went back just for the hell of it.

44:30 Speaker 1: After that debate, that disastrous debate, I went back and

44:33 Speaker 1: I looked at one of the twenty twenty debates Trump

44:35 Speaker 1: versus Biden, and yeah, he was much much sharper. The

44:41 Speaker 1: deterioration was impossible to ignore. Don't get me wrong. I

44:45 Speaker 1: mean in twenty twenty even I mean, he still seemed old,

44:47 Speaker 1: because he already was old, but he still seemed you know,

44:50 Speaker 1: and he wasn't as certainly as vibrant and dynamic as

44:53 Speaker 1: he had been at one time, even in twenty twenty,

44:56 Speaker 1: but he still seemed pretty sharp and you know, and

44:58 Speaker 1: and and articulate, and you know, held his own certainly.

45:03 Speaker 1: I had no misgivings about Biden watching those two debates

45:08 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, other than I thought he let Trump

45:10 Speaker 1: kind of run over him a little bit more than

45:13 Speaker 1: he should have, because Trump Trump would often talk over

45:15 Speaker 1: him and so forth. But overall, I thought he was fine.

45:18 Speaker 1: But but then, you know, to contrast that with twenty

45:21 Speaker 1: twenty four, and it's like, no, this guy's this is it.

45:25 Speaker 1: He's you could.

45:28 Speaker 2: You could, but man, you could see it even during

45:34 Speaker 2: his presidential term.

45:35 Speaker 1: Well, I know, that's my that's my point. Like we

45:37 Speaker 1: were watching him get get very old, very fast. Absolutely.

45:42 Speaker 1: I mean, oh my god, do you remember the moment

45:44 Speaker 1: in Vietnam? I made fun of him on my show

45:47 Speaker 1: about it when he's he's he says, uh so, anyway,

45:50 Speaker 1: I got to go to bed, you know, like he

45:52 Speaker 1: doesn't like he's like fallen asleep at the podium.

45:55 Speaker 2: It's like he had no cards to tell him what

45:59 Speaker 2: to do at a breakfast. Yeah, like you and again you,

46:07 Speaker 2: I think as Americans, I do think we are compassionate people.

46:12 Speaker 2: Yeah we don't. I don't think we show it, but

46:15 Speaker 2: I think we are. You don't want to sit here

46:19 Speaker 2: and be like, I don't want to be that guy

46:22 Speaker 2: that is just ragging on this dude for obvious mental

46:28 Speaker 2: deficiency here.

46:30 Speaker 1: I don't want to be that guy. I mean I

46:31 Speaker 1: actually I kind of like Joe Biden and a lot.

46:34 Speaker 1: I mean, I have a lot of criticisms of him,

46:35 Speaker 1: and I think he was very selfish. I do blame

46:38 Speaker 1: him for why we have trouble. Yeah. But but but

46:42 Speaker 1: historically I've always liked him, uh.

46:45 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he he is a likable guy. He

46:50 Speaker 2: is that. I won't say he's that guy that you

46:53 Speaker 2: would want to go out and have a beer with.

46:55 Speaker 2: That's our that's our president that was elected. That's Donald Trump.

46:59 Speaker 2: That it's what trumpet, That's what Trump caters to. He

47:03 Speaker 2: wants to give off this image anyway, the guy that

47:09 Speaker 2: you would want to go to the bar and have

47:11 Speaker 2: years with. Joe Biden is that uncold that everyone in

47:16 Speaker 2: the family loves. That's just crazy and does things that

47:22 Speaker 2: are not offensive. But you're just like, oh, that's my

47:26 Speaker 2: crazy uncle Joe. Yeah, you know. And so there is

47:31 Speaker 2: that affability that Joe Biden has and even had it

47:35 Speaker 2: during the eight years he was VP to Obama.

47:40 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and at that time he was still very

47:43 Speaker 1: much you know, yeah, I mean that that that version

47:48 Speaker 1: of Joe Biden today. You know, if he could have

47:50 Speaker 1: somehow reversed the aging process, which none of us can

47:53 Speaker 1: do unfortunately, I mean, he would, he would have won,

47:56 Speaker 1: you know.

47:57 Speaker 2: And the thing is with that is you brought up

48:01 Speaker 2: how the presidency ages. You look at how an aged

48:04 Speaker 2: Barack Obama. It takes a toll. I mean, you look

48:12 Speaker 2: at what the short time in office did to JFK.

48:19 Speaker 1: You you look, he's very sick too.

48:23 Speaker 2: I mean yeah, but the presidency didn't help. He was

48:28 Speaker 2: just just a shell of himself at the end.

48:34 Speaker 1: Even even just a Cuban missile crisis probably took a

48:37 Speaker 1: lot out of him.

48:38 Speaker 2: My god, oh those seven days. Oh my, we're.

48:42 Speaker 1: Your team though. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad I wasn't born yet.

48:47 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to go through that with you. Jesus.

48:49 Speaker 2: No. Imagine being in school and having to do a

48:53 Speaker 2: drill where you get under your desk, not knowing if

48:58 Speaker 2: it's real or not. And then if I weren't growing

49:01 Speaker 2: up then and I looked back and realized ducking covered

49:04 Speaker 2: didn't work, I'd be suing some people tools. Somebody's getting

49:09 Speaker 2: a lawsuit.

49:10 Speaker 1: But I mean, as it was, I grew up with

49:12 Speaker 1: a very unhealthy obsession is too strong a word, but

49:16 Speaker 1: an unhealthy preoccupation with the threat of nuclear war. As

49:20 Speaker 1: I know my parents remember, because I would talk about

49:22 Speaker 1: it a lot. And that is, by the way, and

49:26 Speaker 1: I haven't said this out loud to anybody yet, but

49:28 Speaker 1: one of the I'm trying to find silver linings where

49:30 Speaker 1: we can with Trump, even though I think Trump is

49:33 Speaker 1: uh well, he's obviously a felon and an adjudicated rapist

49:37 Speaker 1: and the most obvious con man that I think the

49:39 Speaker 1: world has ever seen, and an insurrectionist and all that.

49:42 Speaker 2: But I'm I'm going to give you all of those

49:46 Speaker 2: except con man. I think Richard Nixon might might be

49:54 Speaker 2: up there in the con man.

49:56 Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. I don't know, but I know

50:02 Speaker 1: I sound like I'm setting up a bit, but I'm

50:04 Speaker 1: actually not. I mean completely sincere when I say this,

50:07 Speaker 1: because you know, we touched on nuclear war a moment ago.

50:09 Speaker 2: Right.

50:10 Speaker 1: As much as I think it's important to stand up

50:13 Speaker 1: to Putin on Ukraine, and as much as it breaks

50:16 Speaker 1: my heart to know that in the end it will

50:18 Speaker 1: evolve been for nothing, because I fully understand, and I

50:21 Speaker 1: think we all do, Trump is just going to let

50:23 Speaker 1: Putin have Ukraine. But the one silver lining to that

50:27 Speaker 1: is I will be less concerned. Not that I was

50:30 Speaker 1: particularly worried before, but I will be less concerned about

50:34 Speaker 1: the possibility going forward of a nuclear confrontation with Russia.

50:40 Speaker 1: I will worry about that.

50:41 Speaker 2: Less, Yes, and with North Korea as well. You know, well,

50:48 Speaker 2: I don't know.

50:48 Speaker 1: They may have fallen out of love. I know they

50:50 Speaker 1: were in love at one time, Trump and Kim Jong yun,

50:55 Speaker 1: But you know, absence doesn't always make the heart grow fonder.

51:00 Speaker 1: They may have drifted apart.

51:03 Speaker 2: They're like that toxic girl. You keep going back to it. Yeah, yeah,

51:11 Speaker 2: but I've given my take on the Russia Ukraine situation.

51:16 Speaker 2: It piggybacks off your what you said on your show

51:21 Speaker 2: Putin can take Ukraine, but he can't keep Ukraine? What

51:27 Speaker 2: do you mean? On on Matt Conterton Unleashed, you said

51:31 Speaker 2: Putin has the ability to take Ukraine, but can he

51:35 Speaker 2: keep Ukraine? And I said, yes, he did. I'm brilliant,

51:43 Speaker 2: and it is brilliant because you look at no in

51:47 Speaker 2: my I love history. You look at every evil dictatorship.

51:53 Speaker 2: How did it end? It ended because the dictator got

51:59 Speaker 2: greedy and far extended his resources, and then the people

52:06 Speaker 2: rebel against him, and he has no resources to defend

52:09 Speaker 2: himself from the people because all of his resources are

52:13 Speaker 2: everywhere he wants to take over. So I say, look,

52:16 Speaker 2: Putin have Ukraine, let him let him go have fun. Sorry, Yes,

52:22 Speaker 2: I know that's cold hearted. Yes I know it's callous.

52:26 Speaker 2: Yes I know it's disgusting, But at the end of

52:28 Speaker 2: the day, it will accelerate the end of Putin that

52:33 Speaker 2: much quicker because he will exhaust every resource he has because,

52:40 Speaker 2: if anything, every dictator has narcissism in common, and a

52:46 Speaker 2: narcissist will always rip their nose off to spite their face.

52:51 Speaker 2: They will always do it.

52:54 Speaker 1: It does break my heart, though, but I'm trying to

52:58 Speaker 1: but I also realize it's what's going to happen. I mean,

53:00 Speaker 1: we all know. Look when Trump goes around saying within

53:02 Speaker 1: twenty four hours, I'll have that solved, we all know

53:05 Speaker 1: what it means. And Zelensky knows what it means.

53:09 Speaker 2: But I mean he isn't lying it will be solved. Yeah,

53:17 Speaker 2: it's not. It's not the solution. Anyone with a heart

53:24 Speaker 2: months to see app in yere.

53:26 Speaker 1: No, I'm really I'm dreading. I'm dreading it. Actually, I

53:30 Speaker 1: just I mean.

53:33 Speaker 2: You know what, Matt Saturday Night Live has four years

53:37 Speaker 2: of material now, oh.

53:39 Speaker 1: They sure do, they sure do. And the guy who

53:42 Speaker 1: plays Trump, now I forget his name, but I love

53:45 Speaker 1: his Trump impression.

53:46 Speaker 2: I am. I really wanted my own selfish reason for

53:52 Speaker 2: wanting Kamala Harris to be elected Maya Rudolph. Oh yeah,

53:59 Speaker 2: and heard Kamala Harris was great, yes, and they could

54:06 Speaker 2: do Kamala Harris on Family Feud with Keenan Thompson as

54:12 Speaker 2: Steve Harvey every week and I would tune in.

54:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. By the way, about Biden, I've heard a

54:24 Speaker 1: few people say, and I don't think this is right,

54:27 Speaker 1: but maybe I'm forgetting something, And you tell me if

54:30 Speaker 1: you remember something I'm forgetting. I've heard a number of

54:32 Speaker 1: people complain that Biden promised that he would be a

54:36 Speaker 1: one term president. I have no recollection of Biden making

54:40 Speaker 1: that promise. I remember him sort of implying it, and

54:45 Speaker 1: you know when he ran, and I remember I remember

54:49 Speaker 1: thinking he's implying it, but not saying it explicitly, but

54:53 Speaker 1: implicitly to try to get people to think that without

54:57 Speaker 1: making a commitment. But I don't think he ever actually

55:00 Speaker 1: said I'm only going to serve one term. But do

55:03 Speaker 1: you remember something that I'm forgetting?

55:06 Speaker 2: I agree with you in the sense that it was.

55:11 Speaker 2: It was I'm gonna go. It was heavily implied that

55:17 Speaker 2: he would be a one term president. I don't think

55:20 Speaker 2: it was ever implicitly said, but it was heavily, heavily

55:28 Speaker 2: heavily implied. And look, we're at a stage where implication

55:34 Speaker 2: if you don't meet the implication you lied, and unfortunately

55:40 Speaker 2: that's where we're at. You people can and I'm sure

55:46 Speaker 2: I'm going to get rasked for saying it, but hey,

55:50 Speaker 2: that's the way it is. If you imply something and

55:53 Speaker 2: don't follow through, you're considered a liar. And that's brass tacks.

55:58 Speaker 2: That's it. Let me.

56:01 Speaker 1: I want to get your opinion on something else too,

56:02 Speaker 1: because I said something to Jenny. She disagreed with me

56:05 Speaker 1: on this. But I'm curious here.

56:06 Speaker 2: If you I'm going to disagree with Jenny scares me. I.

56:14 Speaker 1: Uh, nobody is saying this, nobody's talking about this, but

56:20 Speaker 1: I really believe, and uh, I think the young people

56:23 Speaker 1: might call this a hot take. I believe that we

56:28 Speaker 1: also need to as we're thinking about how we're going

56:31 Speaker 1: to handle the Trump presidency, we also will need to

56:34 Speaker 1: start thinking about in relatively short order, which might I

56:38 Speaker 1: mean by short order, it might be a couple of years.

56:40 Speaker 1: But what I feel is the inevitability of the JD.

56:44 Speaker 1: Vance presidency, Oh oh d. Because I do not believe

56:50 Speaker 1: lock up the couches. I do not believe that Trump

56:57 Speaker 1: is going to serve until he's eighty two years years old.

57:01 Speaker 1: I do firmly believe that JD. Vance, for that reason,

57:05 Speaker 1: will be the forty seventh president of the United States.

57:09 Speaker 1: I think it is unavoidable, and I think jd Vance

57:11 Speaker 1: knows it too. But nobody else is saying this, and

57:17 Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised because I you know, I don't think

57:21 Speaker 1: Trump's going to serve until he's eighty two. I'm not

57:23 Speaker 1: saying he's going to die in office necessarily, but once

57:26 Speaker 1: he's in the clear, he's fired Jack Smith, he's done this,

57:29 Speaker 1: he's done that, maybe done some autocratic things. Then he

57:32 Speaker 1: just wants to play some golf and says, Okay, I'm

57:34 Speaker 1: gonna ride off into the sunset and go play golf,

57:36 Speaker 1: and then it'll be President Vance. I really do believe

57:39 Speaker 1: that's going to happen.

57:40 Speaker 2: I could actually see it, and I actually thought about that.

57:43 Speaker 2: Matt oh dud I'm not the only one. I'm on

57:46 Speaker 2: the same page. I could see Trump doing it. Yeah,

57:50 Speaker 2: after the midterm, Yes, exactly, He's going to be, for

57:55 Speaker 2: all intents and purposes, a line duck president right at

57:59 Speaker 2: the midterms. Look, I do think there is Summer Project

58:03 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five that is a complete, in utter, just

58:08 Speaker 2: complete and utter fear mongering. I think I think they

58:11 Speaker 2: have these pipe dreams of what they're going to be

58:14 Speaker 2: able to do. Donald Trump will not get a third term.

58:20 Speaker 2: I don't care what hyperbolic view of apocalyptic America you have, right,

58:30 Speaker 2: it will not happen. No, No, So he literally has

58:38 Speaker 2: two years to do everything he wants to do. And

58:44 Speaker 2: you know, people sit here and say, well, he has

58:47 Speaker 2: the Senate, and he does.

58:50 Speaker 1: He the House?

58:51 Speaker 2: He probably he does have the House. It was announced

58:54 Speaker 2: yeap House. But Republicans control the Halsey. But I do

59:02 Speaker 2: believe there are still some they don't have his loud

59:06 Speaker 2: of a voice, but there are still some that have

59:10 Speaker 2: that voice, that voice of dissidence towards Donald Trump in

59:15 Speaker 2: the Republican Party. And I to do the extreme things

59:22 Speaker 2: that people think he's gonna do, he would need every

59:27 Speaker 2: Republican on board, and he isn't gonna get that. He

59:32 Speaker 2: just says it. I do think there are some scary things,

59:37 Speaker 2: but I I'm saying this to say, him trying to

59:41 Speaker 2: become a czar, him trying to him saying I will

59:46 Speaker 2: be the last president you ever vote for. No, that's

59:50 Speaker 2: not gonna happen. He literally right now is a two

59:53 Speaker 2: year president because he's a lame doc. He's gonna get whitewashed.

59:59 Speaker 1: He's gonna there's gonna be a blue wave in twenty

1:00:00 Speaker 1: six because that's always what happens if when one party

1:00:04 Speaker 1: has complete control, the midterms are usually brutal on the

1:00:07 Speaker 1: party that has control.

1:00:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're right, Yeah, And I did say that

1:00:13 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty twenty to my cousin. I told him,

1:00:18 Speaker 2: I'm like, Biden only has two years. I'm like, so,

1:00:24 Speaker 2: I'm like, because I believe Democrats had control of the

1:00:31 Speaker 2: Senate in a majority of the House, they didn't have House.

1:00:34 Speaker 1: Control, very very thin margin.

1:00:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm like, look, it's gonna be he has

1:00:43 Speaker 2: two years. And that's the thing is, he really only

1:00:46 Speaker 2: has two years. I could see him getting his head

1:00:51 Speaker 2: kicked in and I could see the Democrats controlling the House,

1:00:57 Speaker 2: controlling the Senate. I think there is going to be

1:01:00 Speaker 2: a Democratic youth movement because there has to be at

1:01:03 Speaker 2: this point. That's the only way you're gonna reinvigorate this base.

1:01:07 Speaker 2: I agree, And I could see one of these young

1:01:11 Speaker 2: gung Democrats stepping up and saying, em, this happened during

1:01:19 Speaker 2: these two years. This happened, This happened, This happened, this happened.

1:01:23 Speaker 2: Hum we could roll these into a new new charges,

1:01:29 Speaker 2: and I could just see Donald Trump pulling a Nixon saying, Okay,

1:01:34 Speaker 2: you got me, I'm gonna walk off.

1:01:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, once she's in the clear. Because the whole I mean, well,

1:01:40 Speaker 1: I don't want to say the whole reason, but I

1:01:42 Speaker 1: do believe the number one priority for him for running

1:01:45 Speaker 1: for president this time was to stay out of prison.

1:01:47 Speaker 1: Now he can breathe a sigh of relief, he can

1:01:49 Speaker 1: he can do what he wants to do for the

1:01:51 Speaker 1: next two years and then go. There's also a possibility

1:01:57 Speaker 1: all these people who are very concerned about Trump ending democracy,

1:02:01 Speaker 1: and people get a little hyperbolic about it. But but

1:02:03 Speaker 1: I do understand. But I understand the concerns. I really

1:02:06 Speaker 1: do it. I don't take any of it lightly. But

1:02:10 Speaker 1: it's also possible that now that he can breathe a

1:02:14 Speaker 1: sigh of relief, he might just kind of lay back

1:02:16 Speaker 1: and not do not even attempt to do a lot

1:02:19 Speaker 1: of what's work people worry about him doing, because he

1:02:22 Speaker 1: might just want to play golf, because you know, he

1:02:25 Speaker 1: is almost eighty years old, and you know these appetites

1:02:30 Speaker 1: for power and all of it might start to diminish

1:02:35 Speaker 1: because you know, you get to that age and you know,

1:02:38 Speaker 1: the testosterone levels start to go down, and I mean

1:02:42 Speaker 1: there's a reason why people, you know, at a certain age,

1:02:45 Speaker 1: they have less energy, they have less ambition. You know,

1:02:48 Speaker 1: there's biological changes. He's already out of shape. He's clearly

1:02:52 Speaker 1: I know he always gets a doctor to say that

1:02:53 Speaker 1: he's the healthiest man in the history of the galaxy,

1:02:56 Speaker 1: but in reality, he clearly is not.

1:02:59 Speaker 2: If you listen to his victory speech, Matt.

1:03:03 Speaker 1: I didn't. I couldn't bring myself to do it, which

1:03:06 Speaker 1: is like me.

1:03:07 Speaker 2: But I was at work, so I could. I was working,

1:03:13 Speaker 2: so I actually had YouTube TV on my phone and

1:03:16 Speaker 2: I was listening to it. He sounded war out.

1:03:21 Speaker 1: Yeah.

1:03:22 Speaker 2: I think it's one of those things that the race

1:03:27 Speaker 2: is going to be more of more consequence than the victory. Yeah,

1:03:35 Speaker 2: I think, knowing what I know about Donald Trump, and

1:03:39 Speaker 2: I know I'm not buddies with the guy. I don't

1:03:42 Speaker 2: even know him. I've never even I've been in the

1:03:44 Speaker 2: same room as him once.

1:03:47 Speaker 1: Jenny and I met him back and when he ran

1:03:48 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. Yeah, well, in twenty fifteen, we met

1:03:51 Speaker 1: him at a couple of events here in New Hampshire.

1:03:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, but what I've read about him, and this is

1:04:01 Speaker 2: some people are gonna say, yeah, you're right and think

1:04:04 Speaker 2: that I'm ripping on him when I'm really trying not to.

1:04:09 Speaker 2: He does have a major ego. And the thing with

1:04:15 Speaker 2: that is is I think for him, this is a

1:04:21 Speaker 2: giant fu to everyone that wanted put him in prison,

1:04:28 Speaker 2: the court cases, all of that, everyone who said he

1:04:33 Speaker 2: was done politically after the insurrection attempt, after the coup

1:04:36 Speaker 2: at the Capitol, he we should trademark that, yes, after

1:04:46 Speaker 2: all of that, for him to come back, if you're

1:04:50 Speaker 2: a Republican, this is a disneyesque comeback story. And look,

1:04:58 Speaker 2: you and people consider here and say it's not a

1:05:01 Speaker 2: comeback story. He's evil, He's this that you say what

1:05:05 Speaker 2: you want. But I think that's really why he did it,

1:05:09 Speaker 2: is just to prove he could do it.

1:05:12 Speaker 1: Oh, I think that's I think that's a big part

1:05:14 Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, I think that's a big part of it.

1:05:17 Speaker 2: And I don't think there's a line in my favorite movie,

1:05:23 Speaker 2: Citizen Kane, at the very beginning in the news on

1:05:27 Speaker 2: the March, it's never said, but it's been so many

1:05:32 Speaker 2: times used. It's on one of the tech screens. Yeah,

1:05:38 Speaker 2: it says, if for nothing else, I am an American,

1:05:44 Speaker 2: Charles Foster Kane. I think no truer words apply to

1:05:50 Speaker 2: someone than Donald Trump. If for nothing else, he is

1:05:55 Speaker 2: an American, and that cannot be argued. The man loves America.

1:06:00 Speaker 2: He I think he he loves his version of America.

1:06:06 Speaker 1: Yeah.

1:06:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, he loves his version of America and he and

1:06:11 Speaker 2: he likes to portray this patriotic person. I guarantee you

1:06:17 Speaker 2: if some if there's dissonance within his MAGA group, his

1:06:26 Speaker 2: MAGA base on something that's proposed, it ain't gonna happen.

1:06:31 Speaker 2: And there is a lot of these issues people have

1:06:35 Speaker 2: brought up that do hurt the MAGA basse. You can

1:06:40 Speaker 2: say the Maga bass is hateful and all the other

1:06:43 Speaker 2: words I've used. And I would say everyone in their

1:06:48 Speaker 2: family has at least one person that is LGBTQI. Every

1:06:56 Speaker 2: person has in their family someone that's developmentally disabled, odd's

1:07:04 Speaker 2: favorite or.

1:07:05 Speaker 1: Just or you know someone or close to someone.

1:07:07 Speaker 2: Or you're close to someone. Yeah, yeah, of course, I honestly,

1:07:12 Speaker 2: and I know some staunch MAGA Republicans very staunch. I

1:07:19 Speaker 2: would have a hard time believing that they would stand

1:07:23 Speaker 2: idly by as Donald Trump some of them would try

1:07:29 Speaker 2: to eviscerate the rights of people because they are LGBTQ.

1:07:36 Speaker 2: I I don't see that. I get the fear because

1:07:42 Speaker 2: the heritage group is very homophobic. I understand that. I

1:07:47 Speaker 2: get the fear, but fear there's nothing left to fear

1:07:53 Speaker 2: but fear itself. I just I don't see him doing

1:07:58 Speaker 2: that for the reason that I stayed. Everyone has a

1:08:01 Speaker 2: tie to that community or or cares about someone in

1:08:07 Speaker 2: that community. And if you can look at someone you

1:08:10 Speaker 2: love and and be like, your rights are going to

1:08:17 Speaker 2: be stripped away, but don't get them Donald Trump, Yeah,

1:08:23 Speaker 2: then you're then you might be just as deplorable as

1:08:30 Speaker 2: Joe Biden said you were. And I can't believe that.

1:08:35 Speaker 2: I cannot and I will not subscribe to that theory.

1:08:39 Speaker 1: You reminded me the reason I was laughing a moment ago.

1:08:42 Speaker 1: You reminded me of something that I don't think. I

1:08:44 Speaker 1: think this is less unless I'm imagining it. Maybe it's

1:08:48 Speaker 1: my own personal Mandela effect, But no, this happened. I

1:08:51 Speaker 1: don't know if you might remember this, Eric, but people

1:08:53 Speaker 1: have forgotten about this back in twenty fifteen when Trump

1:08:57 Speaker 1: first announced he was right. I mean, he did an

1:09:01 Speaker 1: event that I think was hosted by glad Or or one.

1:09:06 Speaker 1: He did groups with the rainbows in it, and he

1:09:10 Speaker 1: and he and he said at the podium he said,

1:09:12 Speaker 1: I'll be the best friend the LGBTQ. However he put it,

1:09:18 Speaker 1: I'm sure he mangled it somehow, but I'll be the

1:09:20 Speaker 1: best friend you've ever had. And then I think somebody

1:09:24 Speaker 1: got in his ear and said, hey, hey man, you're

1:09:26 Speaker 1: running for the Republican nomination here, you can't do this.

1:09:29 Speaker 1: And because that was the last time, like after that event,

1:09:32 Speaker 1: we never saw any of that again.

1:09:34 Speaker 2: But but we also on the flip side of that,

1:09:38 Speaker 2: we also, if not, we didn't see him do anything

1:09:44 Speaker 2: to hurt them or strip away their rights unless I'm

1:09:50 Speaker 2: forgetting something, and I could be there was.

1:09:54 Speaker 1: I remember this. It was on a Friday afternoon, which

1:09:58 Speaker 1: was strange, but I remember it was a Friday. Talking

1:10:00 Speaker 1: about it on the show, he announced on Twitter that

1:10:04 Speaker 1: they were gonna get all the trans people out of

1:10:06 Speaker 1: the military or something hey, something to that effect. Now,

1:10:10 Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't think that policy ever

1:10:12 Speaker 1: got fully implemented though, because I cannot remember his name now,

1:10:17 Speaker 1: one of the joint chiefs, whoever was in charge of

1:10:21 Speaker 1: implementing that, I can picture him, but his name escapes

1:10:24 Speaker 1: me now. But he was slow walking that and it

1:10:27 Speaker 1: was obvious that he was doing it, and I think

1:10:29 Speaker 1: he got away with it because I don't think the

1:10:31 Speaker 1: policy was ever implemented. But yeah, he made he made

1:10:34 Speaker 1: it Trump out of nowhere. One day. He didn't even

1:10:37 Speaker 1: talk to them. He just made this announcement on Twitter

1:10:39 Speaker 1: that we're gonna we're gonna kick out all the trans people.

1:10:41 Speaker 1: But I don't think it ever actually happened. But yeah, yeah,

1:10:45 Speaker 1: he tried to do something to slap at them. That's

1:10:48 Speaker 1: the only thing I can remember though.

1:10:50 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he I mean in look, that's wrong again.

1:11:00 Speaker 2: Now keep in mind that we have seen and I'm

1:11:03 Speaker 2: just reading this on the ACLU website. Yeah, you know,

1:11:08 Speaker 2: there have been some Trump appointed judges rule in favor

1:11:12 Speaker 2: of LGBTQ rights in the lower courts. Oh yeah, Justice

1:11:16 Speaker 2: Neil Gorsich, who authored both Stocks versus Clayton County five

1:11:20 Speaker 2: ninety US six forty four in twenty twenty, our client's

1:11:25 Speaker 2: case establishing that title seven a federal law prohibiting sex

1:11:29 Speaker 2: discrimination and employment protects against discrimination based on sexual orientation

1:11:35 Speaker 2: and gender identity. So even if these starts, I find

1:11:41 Speaker 2: it hard to believe that, even though there's a big

1:11:44 Speaker 2: deal being made about him appointing all these Supreme Court justices.

1:11:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to get he's about to get even more.

1:11:52 Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, the Supreme Court

1:11:56 Speaker 2: does not They are not beholden to any politician right.

1:12:02 Speaker 2: They are beholden to the law. Does the law law say?

1:12:09 Speaker 2: I might be a hopeless romantic in this sense, but

1:12:14 Speaker 2: I still have hope in the Supreme Court.

1:12:17 Speaker 1: They I don't not anymore. If you a couple of

1:12:22 Speaker 1: years ago, I might have. But I've I've lost. I've

1:12:25 Speaker 1: lost all hope in the Supreme Court I have.

1:12:29 Speaker 2: I I can't go that far yet. I still like

1:12:33 Speaker 2: to believe that there are there's good in people. And Sure,

1:12:38 Speaker 2: and look, you can disagree all you want with the

1:12:42 Speaker 2: LGBTQ community, you really can. But I think at the

1:12:51 Speaker 2: end of the day, let people live their lives the

1:12:55 Speaker 2: way they want to live them. There are there are

1:12:59 Speaker 2: things that I just agree with that I personally have

1:13:04 Speaker 2: an issue with. Sure, But if there's dudes that want

1:13:10 Speaker 2: to dress up as women. Uh, you keep it out

1:13:14 Speaker 2: of public schools. I'm fine with it. I don't believe

1:13:20 Speaker 2: in the story drag queen story times libraries were having.

1:13:26 Speaker 2: I think if parents want to say no, that is

1:13:29 Speaker 2: their right to say no.

1:13:31 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, no one's forcing parents to bring their kids to.

1:13:34 Speaker 2: It, right, And I think that's once again one of

1:13:37 Speaker 2: those conversations for another day.

1:13:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we that would be an interesting thing to

1:13:41 Speaker 1: get into.

1:13:42 Speaker 2: But yeah, but yeah, he so. I I just I

1:13:47 Speaker 2: feel that some of this Yes Project twenty twenty five

1:13:52 Speaker 2: is some scary stuff. I'm the stuff that scares me

1:13:56 Speaker 2: is the stuff going into government surveillance, going into stuff

1:14:04 Speaker 2: regarding women's rights, going into those things. I'm not as

1:14:10 Speaker 2: worried about LGBTQ discrimination in this administration as I am

1:14:17 Speaker 2: about those other things, because yeah, because as it is now,

1:14:23 Speaker 2: people are gonna think what they're gonna think.

1:14:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Trump is far more dangerous to UH immigrants,

1:14:31 Speaker 1: for example, as we alluded to earlier, than he is

1:14:34 Speaker 1: too because I don't I don't think Trump is. I

1:14:37 Speaker 1: don't think Trump is. And again I remember that that

1:14:41 Speaker 1: one event that he did that was very pro lgbt Q.

1:14:43 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think Trump is necessarily uh anti

1:14:46 Speaker 1: gay or anything like that, or even anti guarantee he

1:14:50 Speaker 1: feeds him as some of the rhetoric though, but.

1:14:52 Speaker 2: I I well, of course, because that's his base.

1:14:56 Speaker 1: But I don't I don't think. I don't think Trump

1:14:58 Speaker 1: himself actually believes that. You know, you send your kid

1:15:01 Speaker 1: to public school and they come home a different gender,

1:15:03 Speaker 1: and but he'll but he'll say that stuff because he

1:15:06 Speaker 1: knows his base.

1:15:07 Speaker 2: Once. Well, of course, you look, that's politics, that's politics, but.

1:15:14 Speaker 1: It's it's gone to such an extreme though, you know,

1:15:17 Speaker 1: or they're they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs,

1:15:19 Speaker 1: and then that becomes you know, just some people.

1:15:23 Speaker 2: Rocky, they're not really doing that.

1:15:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not gonna eat rock and eat Rocky.

1:15:28 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he was dead asleep and he heard uh

1:15:36 Speaker 2: eating dogs and he perked up like what ye Like? No,

1:15:42 Speaker 2: he besides, Rocky would just be a ton of fatty tissue.

1:15:46 Speaker 2: He's he's quite overweight and lazy, so he well, yeah,

1:15:50 Speaker 2: he wouldn't be appetizing. Yeah, I don't think.

1:15:54 Speaker 1: But I am more worried about immigrants, and you know,

1:15:57 Speaker 1: Trump wants to end birthright citizenship. That to be his

1:16:00 Speaker 1: crazy stuff, like what are we doing here? You know?

1:16:04 Speaker 1: And he's got Stephen Miller, who's back, Steven Miller, who

1:16:07 Speaker 1: looks like a James Bond villain, although far more evil

1:16:12 Speaker 1: than probably any James Bond villain.

1:16:14 Speaker 2: He did announce who one of his joint chief of

1:16:19 Speaker 2: staffs would be.

1:16:21 Speaker 1: I miss that.

1:16:23 Speaker 2: I'm looking it up right now.

1:16:27 Speaker 1: He's not gonna have very many people from his first

1:16:29 Speaker 1: administration because most of those people hate him now.

1:16:33 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, rightfully, so it is, it is rumored to

1:16:38 Speaker 2: be the guidance went toe to toe with AOC on immigration.

1:16:46 Speaker 2: I don't remember the one that said if I arrest

1:16:50 Speaker 2: someone for drunk driving and they have a kid in

1:16:52 Speaker 2: the car, the parent is separated from their kid as well.

1:16:55 Speaker 2: Are you going to argue that?

1:16:57 Speaker 1: See, I don't. I don't remember who that is, but

1:17:00 Speaker 1: you know, the I'm picturing a sixty year old man

1:17:05 Speaker 1: with gray hair, but I think that's probably very Yeah,

1:17:09 Speaker 1: a husky, sixty year old man with gray hair. It

1:17:12 Speaker 1: just seems like that's that would fit the bill. But yeah,

1:17:17 Speaker 1: I can't remember who that is. General Milly Wait Mark

1:17:24 Speaker 1: Milly Mark. Milly is going back no, I can't be.

1:17:27 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it's not Mark Miller.

1:17:29 Speaker 1: Okay, I was gonna say because I think I think

1:17:30 Speaker 1: he's one of the people that.

1:17:32 Speaker 2: Yes he is. He actually said in Bob Woodward's book,

1:17:35 Speaker 2: Trump is the closest thing to fascist we will ever see.

1:17:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we won't be saying, General Milly, we could,

1:17:45 Speaker 1: that's pretty unlikely.

1:17:47 Speaker 2: Donald Trump is a benevolent man.

1:17:49 Speaker 3: Matt.

1:17:49 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, Gary forgiving holds no grudges. Sure, sure, yeah, yeah,

1:17:59 Speaker 2: I can't even say that with a straight face. Yeah.

1:18:02 Speaker 2: Uh no, Marco Rubio eyed for Secretary of State.

1:18:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that. I can see that happening, little Marco.

1:18:17 Speaker 2: Uh he asked, Oh uh, I remember, I remember the

1:18:23 Speaker 2: happy days when Marco Rubio did not like Trump.

1:18:28 Speaker 1: I never thought I would pine for the days of

1:18:29 Speaker 1: the Republican Party, of the George W. Bush administration.

1:18:32 Speaker 2: But here we are, hupa Ted, please come back. We

1:18:39 Speaker 2: want tedt bring the pinders, bring the pinders and women.

1:18:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, he's still in the Senate, obviously,

1:18:50 Speaker 1: but I missed the you know, I mean you know

1:18:54 Speaker 1: I voted for Obama.

1:18:55 Speaker 2: But Trump asks Representative Mike Waltz to be his National

1:19:01 Speaker 2: Security Advisor, Mike.

1:19:03 Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. Mike Waltz, I don't

1:19:05 Speaker 1: even know who that is.

1:19:07 Speaker 2: A former Green Beret in China Hawk who emerged as

1:19:10 Speaker 2: a key surrogate for Trump, criticizing the Biden Harris foreign

1:19:14 Speaker 2: policy record during the campaign. He sits on the Intelligence,

1:19:19 Speaker 2: Armed Services and Foreign Affairs Committee.

1:19:22 Speaker 1: Wow, it sounds like I should I should be familiar

1:19:25 Speaker 1: with him.

1:19:25 Speaker 2: But honestly, Oh, here's the key thing about him, Matt,

1:19:29 Speaker 2: Sorry to cut you off. He has supported aid to

1:19:32 Speaker 2: Ukraine in the past, but has demanded conditions, including increased

1:19:37 Speaker 2: spending from European allies, additional oversight of funds, impairing the

1:19:42 Speaker 2: aid with border security measures.

1:19:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a poison pill. In other words, well, we

1:19:51 Speaker 1: all we already know where that's headed.

1:19:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he wanted to he wanted to provide

1:19:59 Speaker 2: Ukraine with Meg fighter planes. I mean, who's gonna fly? Yeah?

1:20:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. No, that's over for Ukraine unfortunately.

1:20:16 Speaker 2: And we get served. Now. This should give everyone a

1:20:19 Speaker 2: ray of hope.

1:20:20 Speaker 1: Okay, you remember how you said you.

1:20:21 Speaker 2: Wanted to go back to the George W. Bush administration.

1:20:25 Speaker 1: I wanted to go back, but I just you did

1:20:28 Speaker 1: you did? I prefer I prefer that version argument.

1:20:31 Speaker 2: We're gonna say you did. Walt served in various national

1:20:36 Speaker 2: security policy roles in the Bush administration, including Pentagon and

1:20:41 Speaker 2: White House.

1:20:42 Speaker 1: See that doesn't give me a ray of hope though,

1:20:43 Speaker 1: because the Bush versus foreign policy was so bad. But

1:20:48 Speaker 1: the good thing about the Bush administration is if you

1:20:50 Speaker 1: had lost to John Kerry in two thousand and four,

1:20:52 Speaker 1: I don't think there would have been an insurrection. So

1:20:55 Speaker 1: you know, that's what I mean.

1:20:58 Speaker 2: On the Capitol man, mhmm, the Capitol.

1:21:03 Speaker 1: Oh, Tom Holman, that's a very familiar name.

1:21:10 Speaker 2: He is Trump's newly announced borders are okay. He is

1:21:16 Speaker 2: the one who went face to face with AOC in

1:21:22 Speaker 2: uh compared immigrants to drunk drivers. Essentially, yeah, I.

1:21:34 Speaker 1: Uh, we don't need a borders are We need an immigrationsar.

1:21:37 Speaker 1: We need someone who's gonna work on putting it well. Sees,

1:21:41 Speaker 1: we almost had, we almost had immigration reform and Trump said, Nope,

1:21:47 Speaker 1: don't do that. Don't do that until I'm elected again.

1:21:50 Speaker 2: Here's here's what he said at that hearing for US.

1:21:53 Speaker 2: Holman said he does not plan to quote separate women

1:21:56 Speaker 2: in children, but acknowledged that deporting alleged criminoals would result

1:22:00 Speaker 2: in breaking up families. Quote. When we arrest parents here,

1:22:05 Speaker 2: guess what, we separate them? The illegal aliens should be

1:22:09 Speaker 2: no different. Homan said, our new borders are.

1:22:19 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I mean my position. I don't

1:22:21 Speaker 1: you know. I'm a left leaning guy, so people probably

1:22:24 Speaker 1: assume I'm for open borders or whatever. No, I think

1:22:26 Speaker 1: we should secure our border. I also think we need

1:22:28 Speaker 1: to overhaul the entire immigration system. That a lot. Yeah,

1:22:32 Speaker 1: I think we're largely in.

1:22:33 Speaker 2: Agreeable immigration in this country. For my entire life, and

1:22:37 Speaker 2: I'm forty one years old, it's been band aid on

1:22:40 Speaker 2: a bullet hole, except the bullet hole is getting bigger.

1:22:44 Speaker 2: We need to find a way to control it. I

1:22:47 Speaker 2: don't think breaking up families is the way to do it.

1:22:51 Speaker 1: No, but we need to not only not only control it,

1:22:55 Speaker 1: but make it so that we can see the problem

1:22:58 Speaker 1: is so many people want to control it by stopping it.

1:23:02 Speaker 1: They just don't want any more brown people. I mean,

1:23:05 Speaker 1: that's not a lot of these people think, and it's like, no,

1:23:08 Speaker 1: we need see. I wish the Democrats could figure out

1:23:12 Speaker 1: how to message this. We need these immigrants. We need them.

1:23:17 Speaker 1: Our economy is so screwed without them. We absolutely need

1:23:22 Speaker 1: these people in the country.

1:23:24 Speaker 2: Know what the you know what the Democrats should have done?

1:23:29 Speaker 2: Hold on, I want to make sure I get the

1:23:30 Speaker 2: title of the movie right, Okay.

1:23:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, because we need these people, whether anyone wants to

1:23:39 Speaker 1: admit it or not, I mean they should.

1:23:41 Speaker 2: Just for one of Kamala Harris's rallies played the movie

1:23:46 Speaker 2: the mockumentary A Day without a Mexican. Yes, and that

1:23:52 Speaker 2: would have some data.

1:23:54 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we need immigrants, we need them desperately.

1:24:02 Speaker 1: Our economy depends on them.

1:24:05 Speaker 2: But a day without a Mexican Yeah, I mean that

1:24:10 Speaker 2: would have explained it perfectly. Yes, yes, oh man, I

1:24:18 Speaker 2: should have been her campaign advisor.

1:24:22 Speaker 1: Well, you can't go back.

1:24:25 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I couldn't have done worse.

1:24:28 Speaker 1: I mean, well no, I mean she lost, so you're right.

1:24:34 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I could have carried her to one

1:24:37 Speaker 2: swing state victory.

1:24:39 Speaker 1: I don't know, we might have to talk about probability

1:24:41 Speaker 1: theory a little more, but.

1:24:43 Speaker 2: I could have carried Kamala. I could have been like, listen, listen,

1:24:47 Speaker 2: I have this cute dog. We're just gonna run him

1:24:50 Speaker 2: out on stage, don't do anything.

1:24:56 Speaker 1: Well, Eric, we've been on for a while, we should

1:24:58 Speaker 1: probably wrap up. I'm anxious. Ye yeah, I'm anxious to

1:25:01 Speaker 1: get the podcast up online because it's been a long

1:25:03 Speaker 1: time since we've been able to do this.

1:25:05 Speaker 2: Absolutely, but now when we've gotten.

1:25:07 Speaker 1: Back in the saddle, we should do it more often.

1:25:10 Speaker 2: I am definitely down. I think. I think if you know,

1:25:15 Speaker 2: this is gonna sound ridiculous, but if people really think

1:25:18 Speaker 2: about this, to have two people that have differing views

1:25:22 Speaker 2: sitting down and being able to talk, that's an example

1:25:26 Speaker 2: of what we can do in this country. Oh yeah,

1:25:31 Speaker 2: and if we just get rid of if we go

1:25:36 Speaker 2: into it with an open mind. Now, I'm not saying

1:25:40 Speaker 2: you should walk into a clan rally and say, hey,

1:25:43 Speaker 2: explain to me while you're why you're right. No, not

1:25:47 Speaker 2: at all. Please don't do that, because if you are

1:25:51 Speaker 2: certain people, you might not make it out of said rally.

1:25:54 Speaker 2: I do not advise that. But what I do advise is,

1:25:59 Speaker 2: instead of attacking people because of how they voted, try

1:26:04 Speaker 2: to understand why they voted the way they voted. Try

1:26:08 Speaker 2: to get a gist of it, and then if you

1:26:12 Speaker 2: have an issue with it, fine, cool. Yeah, But I

1:26:17 Speaker 2: have heard from people who voted for Donald Trump that

1:26:21 Speaker 2: you know you look, you hear it, and you're like, okay,

1:26:24 Speaker 2: that's a dumb reason. People I worked with said, my

1:26:28 Speaker 2: four oh one K in the last four years has

1:26:31 Speaker 2: went down thirty thousand dollars.

1:26:34 Speaker 1: I don't understand that though, what the stock market doing

1:26:37 Speaker 1: so well.

1:26:38 Speaker 2: But I'm saying, theoretically, yeah, yeah, yeah, my four oh

1:26:42 Speaker 2: one K has went down x amount. I'm going to

1:26:45 Speaker 2: have to work this much extra to make up for that.

1:26:48 Speaker 2: I plan to retire at sixty two. Now I have

1:26:52 Speaker 2: to wait till I'm sixty three and a half sixty four.

1:26:57 Speaker 2: That's why I voted the way I voted, because I

1:27:00 Speaker 2: want some of that capital gains back. Or you know

1:27:05 Speaker 2: someone who is in an area where immigration is just

1:27:11 Speaker 2: out of control, that's on a border state. We don't

1:27:15 Speaker 2: take border states into account and not. My point is,

1:27:20 Speaker 2: if you get fifty Donald Trump voters in a room,

1:27:27 Speaker 2: forty five of them are going to give you what

1:27:33 Speaker 2: you at the very least would say. I don't agree

1:27:36 Speaker 2: with it, but I understand it. They're not all sitting

1:27:42 Speaker 2: there like the people of South Park saying they took

1:27:45 Speaker 2: their jibs right.

1:27:47 Speaker 1: Some of them are, though, to be fair, some of them,

1:27:49 Speaker 1: all of them, use.

1:27:50 Speaker 2: Some of them are.

1:27:51 Speaker 1: I've met some.

1:27:53 Speaker 2: But I'm gonna sit there and say that that falls

1:27:56 Speaker 2: under the five out of the fifty hope. So I

1:28:00 Speaker 2: think you're going to find a majority of them at

1:28:03 Speaker 2: least have feasible reasons why they voted the way they did,

1:28:08 Speaker 2: and you don't have to agree with them. But I

1:28:10 Speaker 2: think you would walk away saying I get it. Well.

1:28:13 Speaker 1: I also think I don't know if i'd walk away

1:28:15 Speaker 1: saying I get it, but but I understand what you're saying.

1:28:17 Speaker 1: And I also think our conversations are an example to

1:28:20 Speaker 1: people of how, you know, even if you come from

1:28:23 Speaker 1: different places politically, like I'm kind of I don't know.

1:28:26 Speaker 1: I think I'm basically center left, you know, and you're

1:28:29 Speaker 1: a conservative, although I know some people think that you

1:28:32 Speaker 1: should be stripping.

1:28:33 Speaker 2: I would probably I like your center left. I would

1:28:36 Speaker 2: say I'm center right, center right.

1:28:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, but even though so, but even though so, we

1:28:41 Speaker 1: come at politics from opposite directions. But you know, if

1:28:44 Speaker 1: you listen to our conversations, we actually agree on a

1:28:46 Speaker 1: lot of things. There's a lot of common ground to

1:28:48 Speaker 1: be had.

1:28:49 Speaker 2: There there is, Yeah, I think again a quote from

1:28:53 Speaker 2: Citizen King. At the end of the day, we are

1:28:56 Speaker 2: all one thing, We are all Americans, and we have

1:29:03 Speaker 2: to start looking at ourselves as such. Don't look at

1:29:07 Speaker 2: it as does this does this guy on the bus

1:29:12 Speaker 2: next to me kiss other guys? Does this woman next

1:29:15 Speaker 2: to me kiss other women? Does this guy or this

1:29:19 Speaker 2: woman like to dress up like the opposite sex? Or

1:29:23 Speaker 2: is this person wearing face covering? Is he gonna bob

1:29:28 Speaker 2: my house? No, we're looking at things totally wrong there.

1:29:33 Speaker 2: We need to look at things as We need to

1:29:36 Speaker 2: look at people as people and get to know them

1:29:40 Speaker 2: as people. And I think if we do that, then

1:29:43 Speaker 2: we can see the common grounds we have. I will say,

1:29:48 Speaker 2: being a part of your show and listening to people

1:29:51 Speaker 2: chime in help me change my perspectives on things on

1:29:55 Speaker 2: some of my perspectives on things. So yeah, definitely, But

1:30:01 Speaker 2: I'm always going going to stand up for what I

1:30:05 Speaker 2: believe in.

1:30:06 Speaker 1: Yes, as you should. Yes. And I would just add,

1:30:10 Speaker 1: you know, because you were talking about like if you

1:30:11 Speaker 1: get on a bus and you see you know, if

1:30:13 Speaker 1: it's two women kissing, now I might be kind of

1:30:15 Speaker 1: into that.

1:30:16 Speaker 2: You know, I've always said this, if two dudes want

1:30:19 Speaker 2: to hook up. Sweet more women for me if two

1:30:23 Speaker 2: women want to hook up and let me watch even better.

1:30:28 Speaker 1: Common ground?

1:30:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, very good, Yeah, I see, I am. I am not.

1:30:37 Speaker 2: I'm open minded. Yes, I'm very I'm right there. I

1:30:45 Speaker 2: don't even care that they show Taylor Swift during pro football.

1:30:49 Speaker 2: Yeah I don't. No, Yeah, there's a lot of fans

1:30:54 Speaker 2: football fans that do.

1:30:55 Speaker 1: But I'm not. I know.

1:30:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, I am very, I am very much. You know

1:31:03 Speaker 2: what it's is what it is. It's bringing new people

1:31:08 Speaker 2: into football. No, there you go. So why would we

1:31:13 Speaker 2: even be upset about that? Yeah?

1:31:15 Speaker 1: Exactly well said exactly right. Why do you have anything

1:31:21 Speaker 1: to plug or anything or No?

1:31:24 Speaker 2: I am you know. I am currently working through somewhat

1:31:30 Speaker 2: of a major injury still in July. No, in July,

1:31:35 Speaker 2: I suffered a lower back spring that caused compression on

1:31:41 Speaker 2: my psiatic nerve.

1:31:43 Speaker 1: Oh that sucks.

1:31:45 Speaker 2: So right now it's work and physical therapy and they're

1:31:51 Speaker 2: looking at something you're familiar with through Jenny nerve ablation. Okay,

1:31:58 Speaker 2: So so yeah, right now it's you know, and that

1:32:02 Speaker 2: tied into my voting for Kamala Harris because working for

1:32:07 Speaker 2: the post office and I'm not ashamed to say I

1:32:09 Speaker 2: work for the post Office. I do have to add

1:32:11 Speaker 2: that the views and opinions I express do not reflect

1:32:14 Speaker 2: those of the United States Postal Service or the government.

1:32:23 Speaker 2: I want to protect the benefits I'm getting.

1:32:27 Speaker 1: Of course, I'm.

1:32:27 Speaker 2: Getting workmen's comp My physical therapy is fully covered because

1:32:32 Speaker 2: the injury happened at work.

1:32:34 Speaker 1: Good.

1:32:34 Speaker 2: I mean that includes transportation for me to get to

1:32:39 Speaker 2: my physical therapy. Like yeah, so yeah, I had to

1:32:44 Speaker 2: vote to protect my finances. Yes, And if you're gonna

1:32:50 Speaker 2: threaten to take away those things from me, then I

1:32:55 Speaker 2: have to vote in the best interest of me exactly.

1:33:00 Speaker 2: That's what I had to do. And so yeah, yeah,

1:33:03 Speaker 2: that's really what's going on. I mean, I you know,

1:33:08 Speaker 2: it's it is one of the most frustrating injuries I

1:33:13 Speaker 2: have ever had, because you can go for days at

1:33:18 Speaker 2: a time and not feel anything. Yeah, be totally fine,

1:33:24 Speaker 2: and then it hits. And it could be the littlest

1:33:27 Speaker 2: thing you do, like it in a chair, or like

1:33:31 Speaker 2: you turning the shower wrong, or you scrub the dishes

1:33:37 Speaker 2: too hard. The littlest thing can trigger it, and.

1:33:41 Speaker 1: That pain is yeah, and that pain is awful. I

1:33:44 Speaker 1: had a few years ago, I had a psiatic pain

1:33:49 Speaker 1: and it just it lasted for a couple of weeks

1:33:51 Speaker 1: and then it just kind of went away on its own, unfortunately.

1:33:54 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why. I did a

1:33:56 Speaker 1: lot of stretching, and I think that helped it. So

1:33:57 Speaker 1: it wasn't It wasn't like an actual injury. Say, it

1:34:00 Speaker 1: was just something was causing my static nerve to bother me.

1:34:03 Speaker 1: But I just remember the way that pain would radiate

1:34:05 Speaker 1: it just ah, it was just such a drag. So

1:34:09 Speaker 1: I feel for you.

1:34:10 Speaker 2: I mean, it is what it is. There are people

1:34:13 Speaker 2: who have it way worse than I do. I mean,

1:34:16 Speaker 2: are there nights that I have to sleep sitting up

1:34:19 Speaker 2: in my on my chase on my sectional? Yeah? Does

1:34:25 Speaker 2: that suck? Yeah? But there are people in this country

1:34:28 Speaker 2: that don't have a chase to sleep on.

1:34:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, there are people.

1:34:34 Speaker 2: There are people in a hospital that they fall asleep

1:34:38 Speaker 2: and they're like, is this gonna be a Yeah. So

1:34:42 Speaker 2: I'm very fortunate and that's the way I look at it.

1:34:46 Speaker 2: So so yeah, but no, I'm definitely open to doing

1:34:50 Speaker 2: this more frequently. I think there's gonna be a lot

1:34:52 Speaker 2: more to talk about. Yeah, I think there's going to

1:34:55 Speaker 2: be a lot more to discuss, and I think you know,

1:35:02 Speaker 2: people don't laugh at the ridiculousness of this. Use Matt

1:35:06 Speaker 2: and I as an example, but make sure you eat

1:35:11 Speaker 2: pineapple on pizza.

1:35:15 Speaker 1: No common ground there, all right? On that note, I

1:35:21 Speaker 1: need to go eat something delicious just to cleanse my palace.

1:35:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a KFC and it ain't sitting good.

1:35:29 Speaker 1: Yeah does it ever? KFC? I can't eat that either,

1:35:32 Speaker 1: all right? Aaron Pilcher my favorite conservative even if you

1:35:36 Speaker 1: are we're more center right, but what I'll still call

1:35:38 Speaker 1: you my favorite conservative.

1:35:40 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm down with it. And if anyone has a

1:35:42 Speaker 2: problem with me being a conservative, send me a message.

1:35:45 Speaker 2: We can discuss.

1:35:47 Speaker 1: I know someone who might.

1:35:49 Speaker 2: Oh well, I know someone else. But I know someone

1:35:52 Speaker 2: else who might you know if you can figure out

1:35:55 Speaker 2: the technology of doing so.

1:35:58 Speaker 1: A certain New Yorker Yeah, uh uh no like.

1:36:02 Speaker 2: Section eight housing in Poughkeepsie.

1:36:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, he hasn't posted anything in uh like two months? Now.

1:36:09 Speaker 1: Do you think he's dead?

1:36:11 Speaker 2: I mean we're gonna stop there because I don't want

1:36:16 Speaker 2: to say something that's totally mean.

1:36:18 Speaker 1: I don't want him to be dead, because once he's dead,

1:36:20 Speaker 1: that there's no more. Uh, there's no more possibility of redemption.

1:36:25 Speaker 2: That's very true.

1:36:26 Speaker 1: Yeah.

1:36:28 Speaker 2: I thought I thought we would hear something him singing

1:36:31 Speaker 2: to the high praises when Trump or Trump won.

1:36:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he'd posts something. But he didn't. That's

1:36:37 Speaker 1: why I think he might. Uh maybe I don't know,

1:36:40 Speaker 1: maybe you know what.

1:36:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully that individual is in good health. And on

1:36:48 Speaker 2: that note, I have to cleanse my palate.

1:36:51 Speaker 1: All right, Eric, thank you so much, my friend.

1:36:53 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. It was good, it was

1:36:57 Speaker 2: it was fun.

1:36:58 Speaker 1: All right, and thanks everyone everyone for listening. I mean

1:37:01 Speaker 1: they're not listening live, but I will. I will post

1:37:03 Speaker 1: this shortly and uh, all right, Eric, take care of

1:37:06 Speaker 1: have a good night.

1:37:07 Speaker 2: You as well. Bye bye bye Commander, don't get Supreme

1:37:12 Speaker 2: Leader maxill coming