Matt Connarton Unleashed 11-25-23 part 1

You are listening to w U n H command God, don't get so greenly

died, maself. Thank you, Good morning everybody, welcome, here we

go. It is that time again, Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live

from the studios of w m n H ninety five point three FM and Glorious

Downtown Manchester, New Hampshire. Little chili out but glorious nonetheless, also on

Comcast Channel six if you're in Manchester, and hello to all of our online

listeners across the nation and around the globe. You can go to my website

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contact info, show archives, et cetera, et cetera. Today is

Saturday, November twenty five, twenty twenty three, and I am not alone.

Jenny is here at the news desk. Good morning, sunshine, good

morning, and yeah, we have quite a show. But it's weird getting

used to that saying morning on the show. In other word, I'm having

a hard time with it because it was a night shifter for seventeen right right,

a thing. But we've got a we've got a very busy show coming

up. We've got some great guests we're gonna introduce and just a moment,

Uh, we've got the guys from Run Like Thieves here, and then uh

coming up in the second hour we have Charlie from from the band Rolling Exile

skyping it all the way from London. And then third hour we've got Pretty

Late coming in. We just heard one of their songs. Actually, we're

gonna hear some new stuff from them in the third hour, but uh,

pretty late. That's uh my personal favorite of theirs, that song of you

from Here Yet. I really really love that thought. Yeah, that's a

that's a great track. And uh, if you have any questions for any

of our guests today, the studio line is open six oh three two five

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text me at six one seven nine one seven four four seven six. I'm

on social media at Matt Connerton. You can email me Matt at Matt Coonnorton

dot com, and of course you can interact endo Pine in the Facebook live

chat. Looks like we've got a busy chat room already. I see Isaac

Banks in there, Jenny, you're in there, of course, I'm everywhere.

Legion of Solis who a great band who've proven to be quite loyal as

well. They say, greeting's friends, Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving.

Carol's of Warwiz joins us and says good morning everyone and easy g of course

in the Facebook live chat, maybe he'll call, uh, maybe he'll call

with a question today, And I bet I know what the question will be

if he does. I know, yes, yes, but let me get

the mics up on these guys and we have Run Like Thieves live in studio.

How are you guys? Welcome? Good, hey man, Hey Abe,

Let's start with you because I've known you forever. Yeah, I just

I'd love for each of you to introduce yourselves and tell us what you do

in the band. Hey, I'm Abe. I play the bass and evidently

i'm the technical guy. That's that's what we hear by default. Yes,

and on the couch. Hi, Greg Santini, the drummer for Run Like

the You can find me on social media at Running Drummer because I like to

run a lot. So yeah, mean my channel, Running Drummer. That

makes sense. Yeah, I wondered I didn't know if you had some sort

of gimmick where you run and you play the drums you're running. I'd like

to do that. You get a baseline. It seems like a very obvious

idea. And the gentleman in the corner with the giant cardboard Peter whitehead for

those watching online, And my name is Dan Fallon, and I am the

I am the media front of the band, and you can find me on

only Dan's dot com and pay for my subscription there. Yeah. So I'm

laughing extra hard because when Matt said that, by the look of your face,

I know that you thought he was talking about your head. But I'd

like you to turn over your right shoulder. Oh goodness, Now that's the

giant Peter White had. It's very appropriately placed. Oh yeah, No,

I wasn't referring to your head. No, I was like, how did

they notice? I was checking to see if my fly was down. He's

got a huge head. Now now technically, uh, technically, I am

though allowed to make jokes about people with large heads because I have a large

head. So that makes it okay. I realized that, No, that

makes you self loathing. I realized, I bet you cry yourself to sleep

on your huge pillow. Well that's right, Well you know. I'm Irish

and Irish people we have. I realized that years and years ago. I

was watching Conan O'Brien in his monologue. He made a joke about the size

of his own head, and I never thought about it. I was like,

yeah, he does have a big head, and he but the joke.

It was something about Irish people having large heads. And I was like,

wait, I'm Irish. Do I have a big head? And I

ran to the bathroom mirror and I was like, oh, yeah, wow,

I do I look like a South Park character. I get this giant

Irish melon I'm walking around with. But uh, but I look at it

this way. I needed to hold my enormous sprain. That's right. So

I think that it's an appropriately sized head for your brain. Thank you,

thank you. I am also Irish and I'm very sensitive about the size of

my head. Well it's uh is it too small from over there? You

know? Well anyway, what Marryland anyway, But it looks bigger up close.

That's great, great, it's it's it's uh, it's it's wonderful to

have you guys here and Abe, it's great to see you. You've been

in now when when I first met you. You were in the East is

East back at the old Guildford practice space. Yes, yes, now is

that where? Where is Revelry Studios? Is that where that is? Novel?

What was here in Manchester? The building just sold or something? So

uh mad uh Matt Blanchette is the guy that ran that, along with his

other guys, Tyler Ayers. And they're looking for a new space. Okay,

they'll still like go out and do things. And I would highly recommend

them. I think we all would highly recommend. We were lucky to get

in before they closed. We might have been one of the last people recorded

in our studio. Yeah, oh wow. And they are amazing. They're

incredible. And how did the three of you come to play together? How

did this band form? Well? I, why don't you tell this?

I so I moved up from New York. I retired. I was a

fireman in New York City and I retired and came up to New Hampshire.

And I've been playing drums for a really long time and I wanted to start

a band. So I met two other guys, started playing and then we

played out. We didn't have a singer. We were just too you know,

a trio of Just Music and they were really good and and we're still

friends with One of the bass players is awesome guy, Carmen Serrano, great,

great guy. But anyway, met Dan at an open mic and he

was just the nicest guy and I was like, who is this guy?

And he started singing. I was like, oh, this guy can sing.

We need a singer bad. So he ended up playing with us,

and Dan and I just kind of really became really good friends and continue to

make music. And Dan is just Dan is the kind of guy that just

he'll do anything, like he will just play anywhere, play anytime. He's

got no qualms, you know, doesn't care about what anyone thinks, which

is which is a really hard thing to find in a in a musician,

because a lot of musicians are very you know, they're I guess they're sort

of afraid to insecure. They don't they don't want to play out or whatever.

Dan is the opposite of that, play anywhere anytime, we want to

all you want to play you know the song, Nope, let's play it

anyway, you know. Like That's so I really admired that about Dan,

and then we ended up doing a lot of cover as a cover band thing,

and then we met Abe. Abe was our backup bass player for the

cover band, and he came right in and he was just insanely good.

Yeah, and I was like wow, and I really connected with Abe musically,

and that's a huge thing for drummers. In my opinion, your band

is only as good as your bass player and your drummer. And he was

just right on, you know, right connected right away, and it was

fantastic. And we just started playing together and we dan had a bunch of

music that we thought was great and Abe and I basically put our own thing

on it and you know, help him produce a lot of the stuff and

make it even better than it is. And it's just it's been great.

It's been really great, Yeah, really great. We've been on a really

good run. Excellent, excellent. What what brought you to New Hampshire?

By the way, they don't tax my pension, so you also, we

love to hike and schime. I have two kids and and and my wife

and they just love the outdoors and you know, they're they're really you know,

I just love the the everything about We love being close to the mountains,

the ocean, the city in Boston, only four hours from New York,

so if we want to go back home, it's not a big deal,

you know. So it's it's great. We love it. Yeah,

actually excellent. Are you from here down? I'm from Maldon, Massachusetts originally

okay, okay in the streets? Yeah, and ay are you from here

originally? Yeah? I mean I'm from uh uh Sandwich, uh Sandwich,

tam Worth originally kind of been moving my way south ever since. Yeah,

I won't go too much farther. You're gonna end up in that tax category.

That's all right. Yeah, that's right. That's right. So maybe

I don't need to worry about that. Yeah, that's right. Massachusetts taxes

everything. Yeah, you breathe, I got you. That's a quarter come

back exactly. Hello to our friends Jay fed and Melanie from the great state

of Vermont, who are in the chat room. Speaking of very loyal listeners.

So, how long is how long has this been a band? It's

been a couple of years. Yeah, Well, Dan and I've Dan and

I've been playing together for about a little over two years and then Abe joined

us. I guess in the last maybe a year ago. Yeah, so

I got the call from Brian back in March, right, Yeah, Brian's

our he's our horn player for the cover band. Oh okay, another awesome

musician, great guy plays with the Bulkheads. Yeah, yeah, he's a

Bulkhead guy. Yeah. And then we started writing tunes together. I don't

know, we were going to practice one day and do some covers for like

a trio gig the three of us, and then just start to writing some

songs. So it's pretty dope. I was like, oh, let's try

this, this will be and it sounded awesome. Yeah, we get some

bangers coming and I was like, oh, wow, let's do this,

let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. I've played a lot of bands and

a lot of you know, different musicians and some great musicians, and I've

never been I've never been prouder of what we just did recently recording wise too,

and just musically, the synergy and the connection that we have has been

it's been so good. There's just no no attitudes. You know, everyone

is super nice and you know, everyone works really well together, and we

don't have any you know, weird issues like a lot of bands do.

Yeah, there's no none of that, you know, So we we you

know, we love it. It's really good. Yeah. When it's easy

like that, then you know you've really got something. Yeah. It's very

fair balance, everyone's very honest with each other about things, and it's really

good. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's excellent. Well we should all let's

listen to one of these studio tracks and then and then and then we're gonna

hear you guys live. But I love this, Mamma, come get me

this. This is a great, great song. So we're gonna well,

uh, we'll listen to this, and then we've got another studio track that

we'll play a little bit later, and then you guys are gonna play,

uh tell her as a song, you guys are gonna play live for us,

right yeah, okay, but yeah, let's give this a listen first.

This is really good. And where was this? This was recorded at

Revelry. It was recorded at Revelry and all live and we have never aired

it. Uh. This is the first, very special day, so thank

you for having us here. Absolutely, and technically it was the first song

that we really kind of together as a band, really put together. Yeah,

yeah, it was one of the first excellent Okay, so this is

technically a world radio premiere. Yeah We Love the World Radio premieres here at

Matt Connorton unleash so very good. All right, let's give this a listen.

This is a great song. Mamma, come get me by, run

like thieves. Really give me your ass, grin all your hat made of

stone. Pleased to forgive her where your mind? She could stab me in

the back and kick me when I'm down, ll be kive me there across

the bak. I won't bury it all along burned everyone I ever loved the

cave. Don't need to give us when you never home by her, Come

get me Roba Comb then and bring you home. Yeah, mine o'clock,

getther Mina, come then to bring her home. I hope you find your

deliverance. Hope you fight your way home. I hope you find the love.

He is irrelevant until that stay gone, Mama Columba, get me,

Lama Comb went to bring you home? Yeah, Mina, come pet Pyma

com wan bring you home. Don't until tat that tamping done. Still mana

Coomba given it, Mama Comba, get but bring me home. You'll feel

soap cool, feels silly, steal smart. You can have a millionion dollars.

Boy, you'll never fight a pan of coom. Mama come came here,

Mama con came Mama, Mama Clone to bring home and rush deepen still

Mama comp kailer. Mama Clone writ bling. Oh, oh that is so

good. I love that song. Really good, guys, Mama come to

hear Mama, come get me by Run like Thieves. Hey, where's the

name come from? By the way, that's a cool name. Yes,

thank you. I actually came up with a name. Actually technically not me,

but I used to play with another friend of mine in a band way

back when in Tennessee, and which is actually the name of one of our

songs too, but has nothing to do with that. But anyway, I

used to live in Knoxville, Tennessee, my buddy Will and Will Day and

we had a band that called Nelly Bly and then we I left and came

back and hadn't talked to him in years, and then we ended up connecting

again and I had a home studio and we did some recording and he said,

oh, we got to call it run like Thieves, and that's really

cool. And then we just stopped playing together. And then once we all

got together, we were thinking of band names, and I was like,

you know, I used to have a band name called run Like. It

really wasn't a band. It was just like me and my buddy, like,

you know, doing some stuff and we called it run Like Thieves.

So I called my buddy Will just to make sure. I'm like, hey,

is it cool that we use this name? He's absolutely, He loves

the stuff. So he's like that's He's like, absolutely, you know,

please use it. It's great. And I said, okay, cool.

And we already had a Facebook page that was up run Like Thieves on Facebook

that I had for probably three years and then never did anything with it.

And now we actually start posting everything on there, and we all have our

YouTube channel run Like Thieves and all that stuff. So we're we're slowly but

surely. And all these recordings that we that you're hearing now we're also recorded

with on camera as well, and they came out fantastic, like they did

such a good job at that revery. I can't even say the word you're

right. I'm just so glad aname quickly because yes. And what's what's cool

about the band name is that it's it's three words, which represents the three

of us. And then on the running Drummer, so that's the whole run

was and was also in there, and I was like, that's kind of

perfect. Let's let's just do it. Call it that. So it's it's

got a cool like r L T you know, so you can make like

cool stickers. Yeah yeah, and as the ls the like because everybody likes

abe yeh, and he like listens really well run and then Dan as the

Thief, he's a banker. He's yeah, he's a good thief though.

That's that's the PC version of the thief. Gotcha. Well, let's see

this. I'm dying to hear you guys play live. So you are all

right oh yeah yeah? Uh so if you want to play, yeah,

you're you're gonna do uh Tennessee right, Oh no, I'm sorry. I

tell her, tell her good night, Tell her good night. Tennessee.

Is the other studio also out already, Yeah, on all forms. It's

on Spotify, Apple Music. Uh, you can even ask your Alexa yeah

song and it'll give it to you. I couldn't believe it. I think

that's when I knew I I may it musically. Yeah, recognized me that

was like, all right, I did it. That is pretty cool.

But in this one, we have a video online for so we get in,

uh run like thieves YouTube and it's picking up some steam. Actually it's

very very cool, yes, with very it's really no marketing on it is

just kind of organic doing its things. That's good like that. So if

you're out there, please look it up. It's pretty cool. Yeah,

that's pretty cool. Yeah, that that is extremely cool. Yeah, whenever,

whenever you guys are ready, I'll have to kind of, uh we're

ready, I'll have to kind of you know, I'll move the faders around

and try to try to get the booth balance and what's up. That's amazing,

you're really you're really on this it Today I was, I'm helping him

with his levels. Well, I was just thinking, you're probably not used

to say I used to singing this early right in the day, or maybe

you are. I don't know. I just never stopped singing my mama all

the time. I sing at work. Would you like me to help you

with that all the time? Okay, that's the way to go. All

right, Well, you know I get yelled at by my woman. Oh

I'm so sorry. She loves it. You know, yeah, she can't

stay mad, right, you should have gotten an A plus instead of an

A minus. What are you doing to your dad all the time? Just

keep it low going. Oh, that's good, that's probably very healthy.

It's very very good. All right, whatever you guys are ready? All

right? Lips taste black whiskey, ass smell black. Be here, she

says. Look about the souths. Look how closed they be? You girl,

lehing like your way back home. That's what you should do, because

I know somewhere there's the port like on waiting for you. You gotta tell

a good bye, tell a good night, tell a good boys don't always

do right. Not time out. It's gonna leave you in the morning.

Well, let's cold, I seal the devils. Feal might feel wrong that

and how it feels not time loud. It's gonna leave you with no wanting

girl. Put the slave out right now, or it's just gonna burn us

both because sens you minutes will be gone so far we ain't going home,

and i'd like to leave. We're just a little bad left up my soul,

dear, I have to with me what you will? The snag decides

for to take care. You gotta tell a good bye, tell a good

name, tell a good girls. Don't always do right, not time out.

It's gonna leave you in the morning. Well, it's cold like steal,

the devil steal not be around that. It has to feet, not

time though. It's gonna leave you with no won't even load the miles away

now in the moment's long, un the memory of your love still lingers.

Don hen out. Wonder what you would do if I turn this car around,

head it back to your town. But I I just look up at

the sunder. I have to keep all ride it on. You gotta tell

a good fie, tell a good night, tell the good people. Don't

always do right, not time down. It's gonna leave you in the morning.

Well, it's go like steel, the devil Steel might be around,

daddy, how it feels, not down though, it's gonna leave you,

just gonna leave. Yeah, no moment, Oh my god, you guys

sound amazing. Thank you you guitar fantastic, fantastic, Thank you. If

you're just joining us, We've got run like thieves a lot live in studio

with us. We have Abe, Greg Dan, they are all here and

yeah, you guys sound amazing. That was that was very very cool.

Thank you A. Are you playing out a lot? Are you doing a

lot of live shows? Yes? Yeah, Dan plays out all the time.

This is actually sweat and I can just stick my pick on it.

I don't have to. Dan plays a lot. As far as the band

goes, we play. We we haven't played a lot as Run Like Thieves.

We play a lot as as a cover band quite a bit, but

we haven't actually played a lot as Run Like Thieves. So we're we're excited

to get out there and play and start really playing shows as us and putting

our original content out there. Because nobody wants to hear original content a lot

of times, so we get it. But I think, I feel,

and I think we can all agree that that our original content is pretty universal,

I think, and I think people can hear it and kind of dig

it. You know. It's not like weird and obscure. I'm not trying

to be mister Bungle. Yeah, which, by the way, we've all

done that, which is a huge influence of mine. By the way,

I actually huge love mister Bungle. Yeah, but yes, we're not like

that. But so we're sort of universal so I think we can get away

with even playing bars and places where you know, crowds are hanging out and

they would just be like, oh, that's just good music, right.

But please check out our listings at Run Like Thieves and see where we're playing,

and don't don't be too shy, and please come see Dan Fallon sing

and Abe sings with me and Craig sings with me, and that's Dan Fallon

music. And we will be at the well. Run Like Thieves songs will

be played at the following venues, Yes in the near future, Patties and

Drake It the Wild Rover Manchester, Eric's Church and Wyndam, Maine Foster's Tavin

the Thirsty Pig Songwriter in the Round with Katie Dobbins, The Birch Bar,

Saddle Up Saloon in Kingston, where I just came from a couple of minutes

ago, The Birch Bar, ax and Ale Deps landing up in Tamworth in

that real local job, High for Give Me High Octane Saloon, and Laconia.

We got a gig there too, and we back at Defiant Records.

And that's all I can do right now, because I don't I don't want

to. It's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot. That's some of

those gigs aren't full band gigs, but okay, but some of them will

be. Yeah, and it's always it's always a good time, excellent,

we're always entertaining. Yes, Oh, I don't want to forget to.

You guys very generously brought us. Uh, we're gonna we're gonna dig into

those, we're gonna save we're gonna save those for later. But you guys

brought us a box of donuts and they look really good. And where they're

from, Goodies, good goodie good donuts. Well, like I said that,

Good Doughnuts located in Laconia at two thirty five Union Avenue, and they

look awesome. And you guys were saying, like they they open and they

sell out, they sell out, I mean by nine thirty A lot of

times when they open their they close they when they sell out, they close

the store. They open I think at five thirty or five or something like

that. Yeah, what a crazy thing. Yeah, it's amazing. Oh

my god, you're gonna don't just look amazing. They're so good that I

am sorry, Okay, we're gonna I'm sorry. That's how good that.

That's what I'm trying to tell you, Wowl. I got you three dozen,

and I only wound up having six by the time they're flopping around the

bottom flopping going on over here too, it would have been like, here's

two. At least there's not one with like a bite taken out of it.

They're all intact in that way. I've seen that. I've seen that.

I'm looking at this business's pictures and they have like, oh god,

oh fruity pebbles. They're donuts covered in fruity pebbles. I remember fruity pebbles

from my youth. I'm sorry, but that's crazy. I have never seen

that. You know, donuts go good with the season two? Oh yeah,

oh yeah, yes, yes, Hey, the studio donuts. The

studio line is open. Yeah, thank you guys. The donut or do

do? These are do do? They're not donuts their do The studio line

is open if if you have any questions for these guys six oh three two

five six seven, six oh three two five six seven, we have a

few more minutes with them, so don't delay. If you have any questions

or feedback or anything at all for the band. We've got run like thieves

here live in studio with us. We do have another studio track too that

we're going to play at the end of the segment. That's another great song,

Tennessee. But now, when you I wanted to kind of circle back

to this about recording to Revelry, it does it is easier to say it

that way. Give me that donut. Never never, Oh my goodness,

I'm bringing more donuts. Did you guys record these kind of sort of was

it live basically instead of that's the only way we do it too? Yeah?

Yeah, I was just telling telling these guys this morning that that I

was watching a documentary on Tom Petty doing Wildflowers when Rick Rubin took over as

producer and they did it live. They did they did? You know,

they recorded it live as opposed to doing it track by track, which is

a lot of times what people do usually. Yeah, and I do that.

I do a lot of that, just recording for other bands and stuff

just in my studio. So if you have drum tracks, but anyway,

you you miss something when you do that, in my opinion, and when

we recorded there, and of course they did such a great job of mixing

and putting it all together. So I've never you know, I've never heard

myself back like that, and I was like, whoa, that's legit.

Like these guys are really really good. So but you know, they captured

the moment and we just we we did have a good session. We definitely

played well. And I was like, Okay, that was really good.

We do each song took a couple of takes, but but and way way

less expensive, and and and you're like you're not thinking, it's not in

your head, you know, it's almost like you don't have enough time to

think about it, like it's just gonna get done. And that that's that's

a cool thing to be on the you know, like you have to be

right in the edge of disaster, you know, and you're right on that,

like, Okay, this could be not good and and then hopefully just

it goes well. And when when you capture it, you capture something.

And I think for those this LP, we captured something. We hope to

do it again with those guys eventually, wherever they land and wherever they open

up another studio, I'll go back there. And then heartbeat, Yeah,

it was that's what really they did capture the the US they captured us,

and if it's good enough for Muddy Waters, it's good enough for but Abe

did make Abe. It was like, these guys, man, I'm going

to get them lined up. So he before the before U, before we

recorded, we he made we were really ironed out. Yeah, uh,

like every meat, every beat. So I've gotten so used to doing the

recording track by track like that that I just assumed that we would want to

do it that way. So I made click tracks and everything. Yeah,

and we rehearsed with them with them. Yeah, but you know, we

got there with the cameras and everything rolling, and yeah, just become evident

that like, yeah, we're going to throw that out the window, and

you know, luckily we're good enough. It was good to rehearse that way

and then to show up and just relax a little bit and they have to

worry about that so much. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point.

You can show up, relax and kind of really bring it. I just

wanted to say, too, Matt and Jen, for all of your listeners

who are shy and haven't asked a question yet, the answer is yes.

I don't mean the answer is yes to your questions. Okay, all of

the questions. Yes, Shirtless, just start Yes, that's how I like

to you know, what the the what's great about Abe too? And just

to give a more accolades, but Abe really he comes in studied like he's

he's the kind of guy that does his homework as as a musician, and

it's it's really awesome to have someone like that who really sits down and dissects

everything and then and then you know, puts his own spin and production on

it. And it's he's been so good like that, and that that was

another reason why we're like, oh my god, he's the dude, like

the guy and actually there and not kidding there really is question. One of

our favorite listeners, Isaac. He always wants to know what people's influences are,

who influenced you musically to be where you are. Well, we did

mention mister Bungle. However, there's a lot more. I'm a huge Rush

fan. So my son is actually here in studio with us, and he

is eleven years old and his name is Neil, after Neil Peartt. And

if you ever see a car driving around with the license plate YYZ Rush,

that's me. So I'm a huge Rush fan. So I'm into like,

you know, progressive stuff and whatever, but I also like, you know,

everything from Tom Petty to you know, so many, so many I

can't even but i'd faith no more. I'm a huge fan, Like,

I just love so many weird things, you know, jazz music, Art

Blakey and Miles Davis and you know, just all the great drummers that I'm

a drummer like, I love drummers. So yeah, there's like Steve Gadd

like whatever band he's in, I'm in, Like I love it, you

know, whatever it is. One of my good friends is an amazing fiddle

player, Eileen Ivers. She's a huge influence. So many people that I

know personally that are great too. So yeah, it's hard. Yeah,

I'm a I come from like definitely like a punk rock, alternative rock background.

That's what I did like for the last twenty years basically. But I

mean, like, my favorite artists is Tom Waits are none. I've listened

to him forever since I was a kid, So that's going to be a

big influence me. But also I mean, like I don't get to do

it here much, but I mean like noise rock. I love Death from

Above nineteen seventy nine stuff like that. But I mean, yeah, also,

I mean originally this was going to be like they said, Americana Country,

yeah, which like I haven't done that yet. Yeah, I should

get I should dip my toes and get that done. So that's a lot

of the reason I signed on, because I haven't been doing a whole lot

recently and what I did do wasn't really working out for me. So I'm

just gonna say screw it and try something. So yeah, that's why I'm

me. And that's what's so cool about this this trio is that we come

from some different places and and you know, we all appreciate everything we've and

we've been playing covers a lot, and we you know, we played covers

enough to we know what covers work, and we know that we're also into

hip hop, so like, you know, we know when we play live

stuff, we do a lot of hip hop, a lot of funk,

you know, stuff that people can dance to, and so we love that

stuff. And then I think we like all the darker stuff too, you

know, anything with minor Chords, Radiohead, you know, stuff like that

we're totally into as well. But you know, he comes from the Tom

Waite stuff, and I'm from the like progressive stuff, and then damage this

I don't even know. Actually, I'm yeah, you know, you know

one of my It's very interesting. I'd like to tell you something. So

I've been playing music for ever, and like I said, since I came

out the womb. I made some noises then and been still doing them.

I just made that noise this morning, same exact noise, and it sounds

like no So I love Woody Guthrie and and I just I just thought he

was amazing. I've been very I have a large family, and they would

blast music all the time, so you'd hear Frank Sinatra, boys to men,

new kids on the block, Allison Chane's sound guard, and everybody listened

to different things, Bruce Springsteen and and then when I started to kind of

develop my own taste listening to what he got there, I love that old

timey. I just love everything about him. I just thought it was fascinating

how he lived and how he traveled the United States, and and just just

sat with people in a room and freaking wrote a song with them about their

heritage. Austrian immigrants in the Great Depression didn't matter to have. He's like,

we're gonna this is That's how we developed. And so I really took

that as kind of a I've written over twelve hundred songs. Wow, never

written a lie. That is the truth he really has. Yeah, it's

insane. They're not all great, but that's true too. Out of twelve

hundred, it was about three decent ones and you have them all here today,

Matt. Okay, we saved them for you. One thing, one

thing about what I love about Dan is that his ability to tell a story

in the song, which I think is really important for people to connect.

Yeah, you have to tell a story that people can and understand the lyrics

and it's not just marbles in your mouth type. You know, I don't

know what that guy said, because people connect with that. I mean,

I I'm not I hardly. I listened to drums and I listened to bass.

Yeah, And now that I've you know, understand the importance of the

story behind the song. It really connects people to the song. So like,

I love that about Dan, Thank you do that. So the thing

is, there was something that happened with me about ten years ago where I

got I started writing songs for songs of Love Foundation and it's for kids with

cancer, leukemia, different illnesses. They get requests through Make a Wish,

Give Kids the World and directly through hospitals and hospice. And and the first

song that I I thought I was I was heard on Reverb Nation on the

World Music things. I was writing some really artistic stuff that I thought was

Amazingah yeah. And then and someone listened to it and he thought I was

funny, and I was like, you think I'm funny? I was like

serious, But he was like, could you write a song for a kid?

And I was like sure, And he was kind of testing me out,

and he had me rewrite it about ten times to get out of the

way of the song. And he's like, you know, the kid that's

listening to this is eight, is going into dialysis a couple of times a

week, driving with their parents to the hospital. They're going to listen to

the song to and from you know, wow. Yeah. Yeah, So

I've done a few hundred for them. Yeah. Once again, Dan is

one of the nicest people I've ever met. Well, but but it helped.

It helped me in a big way because I was like, I'm going

to get out of the way of the song. I'm going to get out

of the way of the song. And then I meet this gentleman who's like,

why are you singing like that? Can't you just be yourself? And

I'm like, who's myself? Right right? I don't And then here we

are. Yeah, this is this is like one of those things. I

would sing Hi, I would sing lo, I would sing like a Disney

guy. I would sing you know, I would do I don't even I

don't know. It was almost like an impression, like I'm going home great.

I would do a reggae voice baby toms to what. I'm very bad

at all of them. The only voice I'm good at is the is Muddy

Waters when I was a young man, you know. But no, but

that's so so my influence. I'm very I'm really influenced by moments and by

like the the whatever we're doing, and I capture it like a picture in

my mind. And then that's why I write the lyrics or a poem or

something like that. And then and then my vocal influence has been from Greg

my drummer, who doesn't let me go crazy. I just don't let him

get away with anything. Yeah, So it's very very helpful. And I've

had great music teacher, Mark Baxter, he's my vocal coach. Is amazing.

He's actually these Greg and Mark Baxter would get along famously like why like

that, don't do that. I'm like, I don't know if you shouldn't

sing that song? And I take it. My wife is really a great

singer. And she is you know, she'll listen to things and and her

and I kind of agree on a lot of it. So we we've listened

to stuff that Dan has done and like, oh, we just got to

get him to go here, you know, and then and then it's perfect.

And luckily, well he's been so good. I mean, he's just

Dan. It's just awesome. I'm a good boy. But he but he

for this particular recording, he just hit it right the nail on the head,

like it was like perfect the whole way through. And I was like,

oh, man, you're that's your that's your sweet spot, man,

that's the money right there, that's the money spot. Well, gentlemen,

this has been uh, this has been fantastic. I wish we had more

time. I'd love to talk to you some more, but we are we

are approaching the top. Of the hour, but we are going to finish

out with this track Tennessee by by Run Like Thieves, who are our guests

in this hour, and it's been wonderful having you guys on and Abe.

It's great to see you, my friend, I've known you a long time.

Yeah, good to see you too many. Yeah, good to see

you and wonderful to meet you guys. Wonderful. Thank you so much for

having us. Please, though, before we before we hit this track Tennessee,

remind our listeners where they should go online to keep up with everything,

so you can go to a run Like Thieves dot com. You can find

us on all streaming platforms, everything from Spotify to Apple Music to YouTube.

We also have a YouTube channel, Run Like Thieves, which is connected to

Dan and my own channel as well, which we're currently building. Is brand

new, so it's not like a crazy amount of views and subscribers, but

it's getting there for a couple of days that it's been open. And Facebook,

obviously, Instagram, pretty much any social media, but we are the

only run Like Thieves band that exists. We did check that and so we're

super happy that we actually trademarked Pendley. We trademarked it and guitars, and

we got the website. So but yeah, so that's basically I think everywhere

that you can find us where and of course whatever Dan mentioned as far as

our live stuff, Run Like Thieves Band is the Instagram handle and Facebook candle

I believe Run Like Thieves band. Yeah, and and but yes, please

go to our YouTube Run Like Thieves and subscribe, and yeah, we like

YouTube. And this is such a special day because we're releasing these songs with

you. Thank you so much for having us to do. This is amazing

and and if you subscribe to our YouTube you'll see our beautiful videos, yes,

as they get released for these unreleased songs that we played here today.

Yep, awesome, awesome, Thank you guys. This has been this has

been absolutely amazing, and so we will close out this segment stick around.

We've got Charlie from Rolling Exile coming up in the second hour. He's going

to be skyping in all the way from London. But we're going to close

out this segment with another great studio track from these guys. This is called

Tennessee Run Like Thieves. Check it out. Mmm mmmmm six sulcol Fool Zamie

and the Osha Bacon, California saw the Tanna lines Expose you lost, Pampel

de Vosa, Hallie Lujah here sheep gone, watch need's watch Sydney's turna see

watch she leaves watched Sydney's Tennessee s by yall up and the children lead the

stricken child fob said, it is long. We gotta leave. I know

it s no watch you do. Just watch your JC she watch you just

watch your j s. What's your lead as watch your JeOS? What's yours?

Watch her jerous watching? What what whattch watch Jesus Chao down by age

jam down my lad? What is you're looking for? You backfire? You

roun five jem the Holly's the lads coming up? Child? They killing man.

It's enough, it's enough. No, it's what you're looking for and

your lie your life. Oh it's getting shown. Still your eye that that

we thought it If your adsease it please and if I find what I'm looking

for, talk the board. It's the sud school chest move my child,

don't li li no, it's what you're looking for in your life. Your

life, Oh job, it's gill show Still your life now that we are,

you don't sas you if I find what I'm looking really hard to be

oh instead of you the love had your other, it's still well, you

know it being as I think that is a beautiful song. Tear Down Angel

from of course Rolling Exile, and we have we have them on Skype,

I believe, Charlie from Rolling Exile, Charlie, are you there? Can

you hear me? Yes? I can? And but it's it's it's always

a relief when it works out on Skype, when it's transcontinental, because it

doesn't it doesn't always work out technologically. Uh so I'm so glad. Yeah,

that is a that is an amazing song. We're gonna be you know,

you send us a bunch of tracks. We're gonna play some more later.

But that that's just a beautiful song. Charlie, I love that.

Thank you. That's that's really appreciate it. Yeah, it's off the latest

album we recorded last year, weather Change album. But yeah, thank you

so much. Yeah, yeah, no, my pleasure really really good.

Yes, Jenny is here well and of course if you're just joining us here

on Matt Connorton Unleashed, we are joined via Skype by Charlie from how do

you say your last name? Charlie? Is it Hallanan? You got to

have to be right, I can't even pronounce it myself. All right,

excellent, We've got Charlie hallenon from Rolling Exile skyping in all the way from

London. And now, so this album Weather Change did this come out?

Is this a recent release or has this been out for a little bit.

Yeah, we've finished recording it. Just trying to think. I think it

was around about May or June of last year, that's right, Yeah,

and then it was basically released late September of last year. Yeah, And

tell me a little bit if you could about Roll in Exile because it's it's

a band, but it's really you're you're the nucleus of it, right,

it's your project essentially. Yeah, the i'd actually left the music business.

I mean there's a lot more to I guess my my history going back to

Dublin and you know, deputizing for Larry Mullins once on You two tour of

the band that I was in. But that's that's maybe for another conversation.

But there was a band, well, there's there's still an existence called the

Boomtown Rats, and they were probably the sort of the ones that really opened

the doors for Irish musicians because I grew up in Dublin, although being born

in London but from the age of two, so I really consider myself more

Irish than you know, English, but not that it matters. But this

friend of mine, Gary Roberts, he was the lead guitarist in the Boomtown

Rats and I'd left the music business for twenty odd years, I think,

and I just got this opportunity to go out and support the Boomtown Rats on

a short tour in Europe, just totally out of the blue. I mean,

it was just one of those kind of moments in life where he's just

thinking, oh, okay, well I might as well do it because I'll

probably never get the opportunity again. And that led to me writing again.

And cut a long story short, I did my foot recording my first album

after that tour and realized after the album that because it was really I was

really just solo acoustic guitar, vocal guitar, you know, that's what I

was doing at the time. But you know, after the album realized you

know, there's drums and this, keyboards and this and this that, and

I thought, okay, well, I think better put a band together if

I've got to you know actually you know, you know, tour tour or

do do shows to promote the album. So that was the start of it.

And I put a band together, and yeah, it's it's I guess

it is. It is my my my kind of project if you like.

But you know, band members are very important and it's some you know,

boy, if I could, I could put a family tree together with the

amount of band members that have gone through the revolving doors. But you know,

you eventually then settle if you're lucky enough with some band members that you

know, you can actually grow together and you know, band's ideas. But

yeah, I mean the straight answer is I'm the sengwriter and lyric writer and

you know, basically the band just you know, play the play the tunes

as it were. But but they have an input. You know, they'll

suggest something and they'll say, oh, you know, maybe we could you

know, move that and put that there and whatever, and sometimes you know,

it works. You know, we're very democratic in in the in the

band. There's there's no sort of dictator if you like, you know,

yeah, yeah, I'm fascinated that you actually left the music business for for

a couple of decades. And part part of why it surprises me in this

sense because when I when I see you, you know, your online presentation,

I look at the pictures and I watched the video for example, Jenny

and I watched of you performing good Morning London with another great song. By

the way, I love that song. We'll probably play that later. Thank

you. But I but I I look at you and it's like you you

seem like you just look like a rock star. Like and it's like and

I look at you, and I hear you say that you left the music

business for twenty years, and I'm thinking, how could this guy have ever

left? Because this is what you should be doing, because just just I

mean not just are the songs great, but also just visually like you,

you look like, you know, like I can't imagine you. I don't

know what you were doing for that twenty years, but I'm very curious why

why did you leave? Well, well, thank you very much for the

rock star It's true. It's true. Though, it's true. I'll take

it if I can get it. Yeah, yeah, don't get don't get

that many compliments but no, Yeah, basically what happened is just going back

to Dublin for a minute. The band that I was in I was a

drummer and ourselves. It was a band called Berlin and not not to be

confused with the one from Top Gun right, and we were a sort of

two up and coming bands. In fact, we were the first to get

a number one in Ireland and we're the first to sign with an English company,

which was a big deal in those days, you know, for for

Irish bands, because it was very very difficult, you know, and you

know, I've been through several bands before Berlin, and we're about to go

in and record the album and then we split up, and I just thought,

you know what, I've had enough of this. And I was sitting

in Dublin after the band had split up, and I was thinking what am

I going to do. My family had actually moved to America, so I

was thinking I might go over there. But then again, and then I

got this phone call from a sound engineer, a good friend of mine.

He's he's done everybody from the Rolling Stones, the team, the Turner.

He's like a live engineer and he just called me a fellow irishman. He

goes, what are you doing and I said, well nothing. He said,

well, I've got a job for you and I said great and I

said He said, yeah, tickically at the airport for you tomorrow and we'll

see you in London tomorrow afternoon. And I said, well, what about

my drum kit and he said, now, no, you won't need that.

And I said, well, what, We're going to hire one and

he said, no, you're not playing drums. And I said, wait

a minute. What is this job? He said guitar roadie and I was

like, oh what. Well. I was a bit of a not a

private donna, but it was like after coming out of a band with our

own road crew, and I was thinking, ah, I said how much

is it a week? And he said whatever it was, I said,

all right, I'll be there. Yeah. And it was really as a

stop gap. I just needed to just sort of clear my head. I'd

had, you know, given you know, my life for the last five

years to different bands and the disappointments and the ups and downs, and then

after i'd done guitar roady or guitar tech whichever the they category as it has,

and did that from maybe eight or nine years and travel the world.

It was great. I worked for lots of different bands. I worked for

a company that supplied crew, you know, and a good learning experience,

and then I got into photography. I mean, the whole thing is pretty

bizarre, and I ended up working for some big rock magazines, you know,

just purely life is funny sometimes like that, and you know, anyway,

and then, as I say, then I got this opportunity in twenty

ten, my friend Gary called me. He said, look, we need

a support band. Have pulled out. And I don't be ridiculous, I

said, I haven't played for twenty odd years. And even then I wasn't

really a singer songwriter. I was a drummer, you know, back back

in my you know, my kind of first music music days. So you

know, it's life is a funny thing, but you know, you kind

of you go from one thing to another and then actually end up back with

the thing that you love. But I must admit I never actually thought of

myself, you know, as a writer or as a perform you know,

a singer. I get away with it. But you know, there's a

lot, a lot more, you know, a lot better singers out there,

you know, obviously, but you know, it works, you know,

and that's that's that's pretty much it. I think. Let's just say

I got I got into it by got back into it by by chance in

a sense. You know. Yeah, yeah, well you kind of went

where the road took you. It sounds like, yeah, exactly, yeah,

yeah, the road. Yeah, and you know, and you never

I mean, it sounds like too, like you never really fully disconnected because

you were still doing things musically, even when you were, you know,

working for for rock magazines. You know, you're still you're you're you're still

in the mix in that sense, so you're still well, yeah, you're

you're you're still a part of it all. But yeah, it was funny,

yeah, because in a way because when I started so it was actually

in the fashion I was doing shots for editorial magazines and models agencies and stuff

like that, and then it led into rock magazines and and I kind of

thought, yeah, how funny. It's it's kind of has gone a bit

of a full circle in the center. I'm still connected to music, you

know, And but yeah, that's that's kind of how how it evolved.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, how did the uh getting to perform? Uh?

Good Morning London on television like that. That was pretty cool. Were

you Is that kind of the the I mean that's I assume that show that

you were on, it looked like it it probably had a pretty big audience.

How does how does something like that come about where you get to do

that, because that's that's a big deal. Well, it was it really,

I mean that that was actually a promo, a promo, actual video,

but it was syndicated or whatever you want to call it to certain small

stations, you know, and purely that was just from literally, you know,

the old expression knocking on the door and saying, look, you know,

we're a band. We've got this, and you know say, out

of every ten people you try, you might get one, you know,

And it's kind of it's like that for a lot of us, you know.

I was listening to the guys is It Run like Thieves? Yea,

that they were on earlier. I really enjoyed this stuff, by the way,

and I found a lot of similarities in what they were talking about,

you know, being an original band, and it is tough when you're trying

to you know, you don't have a record company behind you or a kind

of any kind of you know, at least sort of mid midweight management or

something. You know, you're doing it all yourself, really, you know,

Yeah, it's I often say, and this is you know, obviously

we speak with a lot of musicians, so that it's kind of a one

of the recurring themes on this show in our conversations is about how how the

industry has changed and and it's now, you know, we live in an

era where you really can do it all yourself. You can you can connect

directly with with fans and listeners because of the Internet, and you know,

and of course when I was growing up and you were growing up, we

didn't have that, and so it's yeah, you know, and in some

ways, I mean, it's it's a blessing and a curse. I suppose

it's a curse in the sense that you know, you're competing with everything.

You know, you're literally competing with everything else that's online. But at the

same time, if what you're doing is really good quality and and presented well,

you know, you can you can cut through a lot of that and

find success without a record label. Doing all of the terrible things and some

good things too, but all of the terrible things that's it's sometimes a record

label does to somebody, to an artist. Sure, yeah, no,

absolutely, And I actually like what you said, you know, blessing and

a curse, and you know, it's what I actually feel about it a

lot of the time. I mean I think for me, what I find,

you know, the biggest irritation or kind of it just SAPs me sometimes,

you know, because you're I'm running the kind of show in the sense

of doing all the media, and I'm not doing it particularly well because in

this day and age, you know, you've got these kids out there that

can just you know, what would take me a week to do, they

would probably do it in about two hours, you know, and not only

that, you know, probably get you another ten thousand followers. I haven't

the first idea really, I mean, it's just finding the time because when

you're doing you're doing the media, you're doing the videos because I edit the

videos to promote from promo things, and it's just endless, you know,

And I sometimes finally sit down and go, I wonder, fun I'm going

to actually have time to pick up the guitar and writing the song right right,

But it is what it is, you know. Do you feel a

certain I mean, I I know on that subject, as far as you

know, being able to put content out there, you know, I mean,

that's that's that's really what it is. Ultimately, it's all content.

Do you feel a certain a certain pressure, because I think I think about

this a lot. I feel I feel a certain pressure to try to really

stay on top of what everyone's doing. And part of this too relates to

the work that I do. But there's a there's there's us a pressure to

you don't want to fall behind. You don't want to get left behind.

And and you don't you know, you don't want to be the guy who

uh can't promote what he's doing because he just has no idea and and and

sometimes by the way, people much younger uh even fall into that because they

they feel overwhelmed by it all. But but but I feel like there's a

pressure to try to keep up with it all because the technology moves so fast

and and uh, all of us were where it's like we're all on the

uh, on the precipice of just getting getting left behind if we don't really

keep up. And it sounds like you are keeping up, like you said,

I mean, you're doing it all you know, you're editing the videos

yourself and whatnot, so you're you're, you're, you're. It sounds like

you're pretty much on top of it. But but there's a pressure that comes

with that, right, Yeah, it's it's interesting you bring that up,

actually, because I to be honest, you know, I mean, what

I what I actually achieve is probably the bare minimum, even though it's a

massive struggle for me, but it just about media wise, keeps my head

above water. It could be a lot better, and it could be I

could have a lot more followers and likes and this, that and the other,

but you know, it's just I think it's probably because I'm more focused

on getting out doing it live because we have you know, we have a

good following in Europe, mainly in Germany, but we're kind of working in

other areas. But you know, it gets to a point. I mean,

I'll give you an example, it gets ridiculous sometimes. When we were

touring last year, a fellow musician came up to me friend, and he

was a bit you know, unhappy. I was kind of thinking, you

know, what's going on here, you know, and he goes, oh,

I see you're you're not on media, I don't know what. He

referred to Facebook much and I said, well, what do you mean He

said, well, I don't know. He said, you you haven't liked

any of my stuff. And I'm like, I just wanted to say,

you know, actually there's more to life than you know, spending your whole

day thinking, oh God, I didn't like so and so's things, and

I didn't like this. It's like, for God's sake, you know,

it's like, you know, get a life, you know. But you

know, that's the way some people, you know, they're so you know,

steeved in it, you know, and it's like, you know,

why don't you just you know, relax back off that and just enjoy your

music, you know. But you know, as I say, you have

to do a certain amount. But sometimes it just people just turn into you

know, it becomes manic, you know. Yeah. Yeah, I mean

that's kind of the dark side of it. Yeah, some people, it

does. It does consume them in terms of uh now, in terms of

recording because you know, you obviously you you you play multiple instruments. You

know, you play drums, you play guitar, et cetera. Are you

on on the recordings? Does your band record with you or does your band

just play with you live, because it seems like you're probably in a position

where you can record everything yourself. No. We we we both record together

and play live. I mean the I would never you know, some people

can do it, but I'm not good enough to, you know, be

a multi instrumentalist. You know, I just need to focus on one thing,

which is which is basically rhythm guitar. But what's important, I think

is, you know, you've got to still maintain some you know, modicum

of kind of soul. What I mean by soul and the recording is that

by doing everything yourself, especially in this digital age, because it's so easy

to do this, that and the other, you know, in logic or

pro tools or whatever you're using to record on. I you know, I

just find it really important that you can hear it when you hear a recorded

track come back. Well, certainly I can anyway, you know that when

it's a bunch of musicians and they're tight and they're enjoying it, you know,

it comes across, you know, in the I'll give you an example.

It was after the second album, the Hardline album. I'd had enough

of all this nonsense of spending two days making up the drum kit and this

and then that and then all the rest of it. So when we came

in to do I've got a great producer. I mean, he's brilliant.

And when we came in to do the third album, I said, right,

that's it. I said, we're going back to the seventies and he

kind of looked at me. It's like what I said, drunkard. You

know, Glynn John's my technique. He's a producer. He did a lot

of people. I can't remember the bands off hand, I think with Zeppelin

and The Stones or whatever, but just two overheads, snare and bass,

that's it. We get on with it. And what it also did was

I got the bass player and drummer to actually play together as they were recording.

Yeah, which is pretty much the way we used to do it.

And obviously the rest then came on later. But what what we I achieved

the result that I really wanted because when you listen to two records, maybe

going back to seventies or whatever, there's that space, you know, between

the instruments. It's also the groove, the feel of it. There's there's

a human element in it, you know, you can it really comes across

and you know, that's that's where we That was the direction that we started

going in and hopefully that you know, also came across in the in the

in the Weather Change album. But you know, it's it's really down to

the individual. The other thing that I used to just speaking of space and

the and the you know, the kind of feeling of of that, you

know, separation between the instruments. I don't mean separation in disjointed. I

just been in the sense of, you know, you can hear everything,

it's balanced, you know. I don't know when it started happening my v

eight nine years ago, but there was this you know, mad frenzy to

compress the hell out of everything so that there was no headroom left in anything,

in any recordings, so there was no space. And I remember saying

to my producer, I said, I do not want this compressed, you

know, right, I said, We're gonna leave headroom because I want to

hear that space. So yeah, recording is it's it's interesting you kind of

learn as you go along, but I guess you need to have a basic

idea of what you want to start with, you know. Yeah, I

know what to mean though about the compression, and there was a I cannot,

for the life of me remember what album it is, but I remember

Jesus might have been twenty years ago. Actually, there was a Metallica album

that came out that people were complaining about because, you know, because everything

just the way it was mixed, like everything just peaked and it was just,

yeah, it was just too much. It sounded horrible, and I

think they ended up re releasing it a different mix of that album because because

yeah, you're right, everything's overcompressed. And my biggest complaint over the Passcades

has been the way the way guitars are recorded and the way they sound.

Now it's it's very guitars just don't sound like they used to do on a

lot of records. But you know, but uh, yeah, every everything

changes and evolves. But uh but I think the sound that you captured on

Weather Change, I think is really good. It's it's it's just really really

good. And the songs are great too, which obviously helps. Oh,

thank you. Yeah, it's it's you know, I mean a lot of

credit to the producer Alessio Gavello. He's uh, I've worked with him actually

on all the four albums that I've done. And funny, you know,

people say, oh, you know, maybe you should try a different producer,

you know, get a different sound. I can. I can kind

of understand that. But you know, there's also the the opposite, which

is, you know, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. You

know, it's like it works, you know absolutely. Oh, by the

way, our friend Nick Murdoch in the chat room says, Maddie, the

Metallica album you're thinking of is Death Magnetic? Yes, thank you Nick,

Yeah, Death Magnetic. Yeah. And I was working in a music store

when that came out, and uh yeah, people would I do remember that

vaguely. I mean, I'm not sort of a Metallica listener. Yeah,

but I do remember some of the guys, I know, maybe even in

the band they were talking about it and saying, my god, you know

what they've done whatever. But you know, but yeah, I guess yeah,

that was a bit of a yeah or whatever. But they you say

they re recorded it, Yeah, I think they did. I think they.

I think they re released it with a different mix. I'm not positive

on that though, but but I'll tell you what, I definitely recall is.

I remember at least one person bringing it into the store and saying,

I think there's something wrong with the CD. It's like, uh no,

no, it's it's believe it or not, it's supposed to sound that way.

It's oh dear. Yeah. Well, Metallica has had a few actually,

if you think about it, over the course of their career. I

mean, they're the biggest rock band in the world, but they've had a

few mishaps. You know, they had a couple albums where you could barely

hear the bass. Oh, and Legion of Solace in the chat room says

I thought you were referring to the beer keg snare tuning on Saint Anger.

No, but that's that's another example of a very poor choice recording. The

drums on Saint Anger sound horrendous. But who can argue with success? Right?

They really are the biggest band in the world. Yeah, well,

yeah, exactly, Yeah, that's it. Who are by the way,

Charlie, So who are some of your influences? And I'm particularly interested to

ask you this question because in reading about you online, I know that you

were born in London, but then you grew up in Dublin and an interview

that I had read, you seem to indicate that it sounded like being in

Dublin really kind of like you feel that that influenced your sound, and so

I'm really curious to hear about where your sound comes from. Well, I

guess, uh, I don't know Dublin as I say, you know,

in the Dublin days when I was in bands, you know, being a

drummer, and I've written a few things, but I've never even sort of

presenting them to the band. There were just something that I was doing,

you know, quietly in the background, you know, and then I just

completely left it because I just kind of thought, oh, you know,

who am I kidding? You know, I just thought this is all rubbish

that I'm writing, you know. But I think if you're asking about,

you know, where the kind of I guess, yeah, you could say

influences or the feelings that bring about songs, A lot of it subconsciously probably

would root back to to Dublin and Ireland in in those days and some very

you know, very special memories and experiences you know, that I had in

that time. It was a very exciting time actually because it was just literally

just after punk in in the UK, so you know, you had the

pistols and the Clash and all the rest of them, and then Dublin sort

of it kind of there was a kind of a musical, you know,

almost what happened in London, sort of explosion of these bands just coming out

of nowhere, you know, slightly punky, but a bit more what they

call new wave, so it wasn't so much the kind of a little less

harsh maybe if you like, I don't know how to describe it. But

and amongst in this melting pot, there was us, there was you two.

There was a whole lot of other great Irish bands that you know,

unfortunately never made it, because you know, it's always a bit of a

lottery, you know, of you know, there were other bands that could

have made it just as big as you two, really really good ones.

But you know, it is what it is, and I guess so as

far as my you know, my influences. It's funny because people sometimes they'll

listen to a song and they'll say, oh, I can hear a bit

of Steve Harley. That's he's a guy from an English band called Cotney Revel,

or I can hear a bit of I don't Tom Petty or I can

hear a bit of you know whatever. And of course growing up, you

know, when my mom was out, you know, she had this amazing

record collection, everybody from Clapton right through to the Who too, you know,

I mean just about every artist, Santana, you could imagine Creeden's Clear

Order Revival, Zeppelin, blah blah blah goes on. So I sneak in

and I you go through all our albums, and that was kind of my

musical education, if you like. And it was incredible library of you know,

records that I could could go through, so I guess. And also

growing up as a teenager, you know, your stuff you hear on the

radio, So I think there's bits of that which do come out in my

songs or you know, there's something there that will remind somebody of you know

that that, So I guess it would be, you know, the soundtrack

of my life, if you like, comes out in in, in,

in my songs, I suppose, you know. Yeah, And are you

are you playing out? Are you doing a lot of shows? Are you

touring much? Or we just finished? I was in America funny enough actually

for a couple of weeks that back in September, just did a couple of

sho I was there and then came back to Europe. Well I literally,

yeah, I came back to I think it was about the not the dates

matter, but it was literally I was. I was in the US for

August till early September and then straight back to London and then out to Europe,

and then we finished that tour at the end of September. And what

we're doing now is we're prepping for the next album, which is a bit

of a nightmare because for me anyway, I mean, we picked some of

the songs, but I was listening to one of the guys in Run Like

Thieves and he was talking about, you know, I got twelve hundred songs,

but you know, Maggie, I'll have three. Well, it's kind

of the same for me. It's like when I'm going through the list,

I'm going, oh god, how am I going to short list this?

And then I'll short list it, and then I'll go, now, well

wait a minute, what about that one? And then you know, suddenly

half the day's gone and then I just have to walk away from it.

I'll stick with the four that the band have chosen so far, driving myself

crazy, but yeah, you know, it's it's it's starting. We're going

to start that probably next week because we've just been prepping. I'm working with

the guitarists, the lead guitarist, just sort of knocking them into shape and

any any changes need to be made before we go into like full rehearsal with

the band. Yeah, and then next year, So that's really what we're

focusing on up to Christmas and into January February, and there was supposedly playing

some shows in Dublin which I haven't haven't played since well god knows why,

some long long time ago. And then we're out to Europe again in I

think the end of July August. There were UK shows obviously in between,

and then I hope to get out to America again maybe September. But we'll

see. We haven't got the we haven't got the sort of itinerary sort of

confirmed yet, but we'll see. Yeah, yeah, very good, very

good. Hey, by the way, where does the name come from?

Rolling exile is a cool name. Well it's interesting, actually. I sometimes

people have said, oh, you know rolling exile, Well, was this

a kind of like a media type of you know, clever sort of by

putting a name like that together, you know, so that in other words,

you know, you could tag it quite easily, or even if you

use the name on its own. And I said no, I said,

because I was asked about it once in an interview, I said, really

what it was as simple as this. I feel that when I when I

left Ireland, I was, as I said earlier, you know, I

was working for bands as a guitar tech and just you know, rolling around

the globe for like ten years. And then you know, I started living

in London as well, and I'd lived in the States for a short while,

but came back and I kind of, you know, just thought,

well, I'm a bit of an exile really and I'm just constantly rolling,

you know, somewhere, you know, And that's that's how it came to

be. I wasn't trying to be clever, you know, because I say,

some people go, oh, yeah, that was a really smart move

that I like it. You lived in the US at one point, yeah,

no, only only for a short time. Okay, it was sort

of batches of time. I lived in New York for a while, probably

about six months, and then Connecticut where my family live and then but but

I was based in London all the time, you know, yeah, really,

but I was just going back and forth initially, but yeah, so

but London has yeah been my base since I left Ireland. Really, you

know, yeah, yeah, very cool, very cool. Well listen,

Charlie, you've been generous with your time. I love talking to you.

This has been wonderful. We're gonna play I'm gonna play a couple more of

your songs to end the segment. What one of them mean Good Morning London.

I also love that song. I don't is there a story behind the

song? I don't speak French. Yeah, it's well, it's or I'm

sorry I said the title wrong. I just realized this can't speak French.

I just want to correct myself. Oh no, it doesn't. I don't

know the same thing. Yeah, there is a little bit. It's kind

of it's just a memory of a place at a city you know that I

that I was in and the times that we had, and it's kind of

a it's looking back a little bit at it in a just remembering the people

that I hung out with and the and the sort of you know, kind

of kind of times we had. But I think Good Morning London is probably

a better example of Good Morning London was really a song about in my it's

going to say, in my irresponsible days. You know, you go into

a club at eleven o'clock at night, you know the nightclubs in London,

and you know, you come out at seven o'clock in the morning on a

Sunday morning, you know, completely obliterated and kind of going, oh my

god, it's daylight and like where am I? And it was you'd start

walking through the streets and soho whatever, and you see all these other characters

kind of like just about able to make it up the sidewalk, you know,

or falling out of the side of a building. Everybody's a little bit,

you know, battle fatigued from the night before. And it was just

a snatch short of London London life, you know, on the Sunday morning

after a hard Saturday night. Yeah, yep, it's a great track.

Those those are both those are both great songs. I think I'm gonna I

think I'm gonna play both of those after we let you go. But absolutely

absolutely, And Charlie, what what should people know about how to find you

online? To keep up with everything that you're doing with Rolling Exile, and

uh yeah, it's pretty much. You know, Rolling Exile dot Com is

the website, but we're on every single music platform you know you can think

of, so we listen the more but the obvious like spot Spotify, Amazon

Music, you know, et cetera, et cetera. And then obviously Instagram

and our Facebook pages is rolling exo, which is just one word. When

Facebook, they drove me crazy when I first got into Facebook to put up

a band page, you couldn't do it without a personal page. So I

made my personal page rolling exile. I split the word. Yeah, but

it's you know, sometimes people go to my personal or the van page,

but which really doesn't matter. But the band pages, it's just one word,

rolling exile. Yeah. On Facebook and that's it. Yeah, Instagram,

all the all the usual suspects, you know, yes, yes,

absolutely, all right, Charlie, we'll let you go. By the way,

what what time is it in London? Just out of curiosity, it's

I think it's about twenty to four now, or I think you say twenty

our four. Isn't it coming up to twenty twenty to four? Yeah,

in the afternoon. Oh, okay, okay, cool, yeah, I

was curious. All right, well, Charlie, thank you so much.

Rolling Exile. Love what you're doing. Great band. We'll have to we'll

have to do this again in the future, but we'll let you go.

And then I'm gonna play this track for everybody, Good Morning London. But

Charlie, thank you so much, my friend. It's been wonderful to speak

with you today, and thank you. I really enjoyed it. I really

did. And say hi to Jen, thank you so much. Absolutely all

right, Charlie, thank you, Take care, bye bye, okay,

bye bye bye, all right, very good Charlie. I got his name

right, Hallanon, yes he said. I said it correctly on the first

try, which is wonderful. And I'm gonna play this track. Actually,

I'm gonna play both of these. I'm gonna play good Morning London, and

then i'm gonna play I Can't Speak French, a couple of great songs from

the album weather Change from Rolling Exile, and and then when we come back,

we're gonna be crossing into very shortly be crossing into our number three New

Marrow trace of Matt Connorton, unleashed and the band pretty late will be live

here in studio. But they're not late. They are on time, I

believe so. Actually they're early, which is even better. So everyone's been

very punctual today is awesome. It doesn't always work out that way, you

know, especially on a Saturday morning with musicians, but everyone's been punctual,

which is fantastic. And yeah, check these out. I'm gonna play both

of these. We're gonna do this one first. Good morning, London,

although in London it's afternoon. Oh, we have a call. Maybe we'll

uh who's on the let's uh, we'll we'll grab this and then we'll hit

that track. Hi, Welcome to Matt Connorton Unleashed. Who's this. I'm

Matt Ronny. Hey Ron, how you doing? My friend good? Hey,

you gotta get that guy's number for me. I need a roady you

do well. It sounds like he's pretty busy these days, but I think

his roady days are behind. Very very cool. Actually, Oh, thank

you, Ron, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Yeah, he's a great

guy. I really enjoyed speaking with him, and I love his band,

love his music. Yeah, it was good so that in the beginning of

the show that was his band playing at the beginning of the show was well,

the song that we opened with the show with today. I don't know

if you were listening from the very beginning. We opened with a track from

the band Pretty Late, who are actually our guests coming up in the third

hour. But then we had in studio, we had a run like Thieves.

They were with us for the first hour, and then Charlie, of

course we just talked to, is from the band Rolling Exile. Okay,

so see, I've been bomping back and forth. I did catch the first

show first, you know, bandit nine ish yeah, and now the first

music. Hey, listen before we go, you gotta tell me. I'm

curious that picture on the corner of your desk, that thing goes back and

forth, back and forth. Is that a personal photo of a portrait or

something or other than that belongs to you? That is from the band Infinity

Vein. They're from Texas and they were on the show, and then they

sent us that autographed picture, so I display it proudly during the program.

Great, now, you answered, now you know that's curious. Minds wanted

to know, and I said, Jesus, you know, one minute,

is you know postcard and the next thing it's a picture and I've seen it

go back and forth. But anyways, I don't want to take up any

more of your time. I have a great day, buddy. All right,

thanks Ron, thank you for the call. I appreciate it. Yeah,

all right, bye bye. All right, that was our friend Ron.

Always nice to hear from him. And all right, let's hear these

tracks we've got. We're gonna start with good morning London from Rolling Exile and

then coming up in the third hour. We have pretty late joining us a

live in studio, so plenty more to come. We'll get to the bone

and kissing on the corner and ever still walking candy from about a job cot

bone it Yeah, good old another do falling off a side, can see

how long giving in a beach you just get into the come on bonde it

to yup, good old another do? Throw the damping phone out his side

stream? Ye who's traveling that way? D and going again? I got

a pot and change and a half four of streamers. Never know now I

find my bred good bard it, good hod it another time, good board,

the good God, the IPCs and never a silver prees. What you

need now? You won't give it anyhow, God moan it you yah goodbod

and nondo every now then I'll leave my friend. What do you want to

see? I want to sna be God morn into yuh goodbod tondo come abound

your falling out of side street seven hour when you're lining the come again.

I'm gonna go at the trees and a half of the stings every now then

the five month forever, good modes, good old is b good bard is

good boy, loved good by good love, good old, good old bu

good morn among my wides, just another day street dimonst live in the city

job, there's your open job. Only watch you say, Jill. Now

it's a level while we live those stays, the times places, there's a

many of Fabi says. They are so long walking down the streets and suns

the battery gays away. I wish for you, I wish for me to

cryd yesterday call loud it sound love. Why w a those days times races,

those cony uses lay so long us search. I don't speak French.

I can't speak French. I can't speak French. I can't speak French.

I can't speak French. I can't speak French. I didn't speak French.

I don't speak Fish speak fresh

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