Matt Connarton Unleashed 12-21-24 hour 3

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3:06 Speaker 6: That is run Roudolph Run. And that is a brand

3:10 Speaker 6: new from Neon Gypsy, their rendition of that track, which

3:13 Speaker 6: we had Neon Gypsy here with us in the first

3:15 Speaker 6: hour today on the program, and then we had the

3:18 Speaker 6: Healer Mike McDowell for the second hour, and we've got

3:21 Speaker 6: Cody Pope and Byron g coming up for the third

3:23 Speaker 6: hour and they're going to perform live again. So always

3:26 Speaker 6: love that. By the way, I want to remind everybody,

3:29 Speaker 6: of course, because today is if you are listening live,

3:31 Speaker 6: December twenty first, twenty twenty four, this afternoon, we have

3:35 Speaker 6: the holiday market and psychic event that is being put

3:38 Speaker 6: on by our wonderful friends at the Sister Witch Company.

3:41 Speaker 6: Jenny is there right now, which is why she's not here.

3:44 Speaker 6: She is there getting set up and she's going to

3:47 Speaker 6: be selling her wonderful Macroma creations and there's going to

3:50 Speaker 6: be a lot of local artisans there, local small businesses participating.

3:54 Speaker 6: So if you've got some holiday shopping to do, please

3:56 Speaker 6: come down. It's at the Masonic Temple at fifteen oh

3:59 Speaker 6: five Elm Street. And as I like to say, Walmart

4:03 Speaker 6: and Target do not need any more of your money.

4:05 Speaker 6: Please support your local businesses and it really does mean

4:08 Speaker 6: so much. And if you want more information you can

4:10 Speaker 6: go to Sisterwitch Company dot com. But that starts at noon.

4:14 Speaker 6: That is where I will be headed after the show

4:16 Speaker 6: today noon to five pm the Holiday market and a

4:19 Speaker 6: psychic event at the Manchester Masonic Temple fifteen oh five

4:24 Speaker 6: Elm Street. And let me bring these mics up and

4:27 Speaker 6: we've got Cody Pope and Byron g here with us

4:29 Speaker 6: in the studio.

4:30 Speaker 7: Hey guys, Hey, good morning man, thanks so much for

4:32 Speaker 7: having us.

4:33 Speaker 6: Yeah, welcome back, welcome back, And hope you weren't waiting

4:36 Speaker 6: outside too long. It's a little chilly today.

4:39 Speaker 7: No, no, no, it was perfect timing.

4:41 Speaker 5: Hey, hat a justice.

4:42 Speaker 6: Camera here, Get you guys in the shot. Of course

4:45 Speaker 6: we are on Facebook and YouTube and all that stuff.

4:50 Speaker 6: There we go, there we go. How have you guys

4:52 Speaker 6: been what's going on? Have you been releasing new music

4:55 Speaker 6: or what have you been up to?

4:57 Speaker 7: Yeah, so in October we just released our our sophomore

5:00 Speaker 7: full length album, Giant Steps in Gates City, excellent. Yeah,

5:04 Speaker 7: so that spent We did a big release show for that,

5:07 Speaker 7: and it's been a pretty wild ride since then.

5:10 Speaker 6: Where did you Where'd you do the release show?

5:12 Speaker 7: So we did it in our hometown in Nashaua. We

5:15 Speaker 7: like rented a hall and put together this whole experience.

5:18 Speaker 7: We had a caterer come in and like cater the event,

5:20 Speaker 7: and had a photo booth and had a bunch of

5:23 Speaker 7: the artists from hell Hound open up the night. It

5:25 Speaker 7: was really cool.

5:26 Speaker 6: Nice, nice. Yeah, you guys must know. Do you know

5:29 Speaker 6: Mike McDowell the Healer? Did you run into him on.

5:32 Speaker 7: This We literally just shook hands and met as we

5:36 Speaker 7: were heading out as we were coming in. Yeah, looking

5:39 Speaker 7: forward to chopping it up with him more.

5:41 Speaker 8: Yeah.

5:41 Speaker 6: Yeah, he's doing some he's doing some great stuff. And

5:44 Speaker 6: you must know Eleanor and Andre from So.

5:47 Speaker 7: I actually just met them super recently as well. Yeah,

5:51 Speaker 7: like maybe a week ago or so. I just got

5:53 Speaker 7: to go to New Hampshire Underground and hang out with

5:56 Speaker 7: them for a bit. They're awesome people.

5:57 Speaker 6: Oh, excellent, excellent. I don't think they've done like a

6:00 Speaker 6: full hip hop show. I mean, obviously six Minds combined, Yeah,

6:03 Speaker 6: performs there but yeah, they should do uh, you should

6:06 Speaker 6: do something with them, like do a big hip hop show.

6:08 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what we're hoping to do something. We're hoping

6:11 Speaker 7: the dates will align in that we can make something

6:13 Speaker 7: happen soon.

6:14 Speaker 5: Yeah.

6:14 Speaker 7: I really like their space. I think that it's really

6:17 Speaker 7: conducive to fostering a positive like live music and arts scene,

6:23 Speaker 7: and they offer resources and spaces for people that I

6:26 Speaker 7: think are really valuable. So I'm looking forward to seeing

6:30 Speaker 7: what they're capable of doing with that. I think that's

6:32 Speaker 7: gonna be awesome.

6:33 Speaker 6: Yeah. Absolutely, Well I'm dying to hear you guys. You

6:37 Speaker 6: always perform when you come on the show, which is wonderful.

6:40 Speaker 6: And now the real test, of course is always making

6:43 Speaker 6: sure that what have you got? What do you what

6:45 Speaker 6: do you call that? Byron?

6:47 Speaker 5: This is the Roland SP four O four m K two.

6:51 Speaker 6: Okay, and what does that do for the For the uninitiated.

6:55 Speaker 9: It does a little bit of everything. It's a sampler,

6:58 Speaker 9: so you could create like full songs on here.

7:01 Speaker 6: Yeah.

7:01 Speaker 9: I use it mainly for our live shows and stuff

7:03 Speaker 9: like that, so I can load up pads and I

7:05 Speaker 9: can manipulate the sound.

7:06 Speaker 6: Yeah, kind of live as we're going so okay, you.

7:09 Speaker 9: Never really get the same experience twice with these types

7:12 Speaker 9: of machines.

7:14 Speaker 6: Right right.

7:15 Speaker 5: Yeah.

7:15 Speaker 6: For those listening live, if you're wondering how these guys

7:18 Speaker 6: are going to perform live, that's what let's see if

7:22 Speaker 6: let's see if we can hear that. And I'm not

7:24 Speaker 6: hearing anything yet, but I think I know why. Oh

7:27 Speaker 6: there we go fucking easy. Yeah. This is always the

7:35 Speaker 6: that's always the moment, right when when you guys come on,

7:37 Speaker 6: it's like, let's let's hope this last.

7:39 Speaker 1: This works well.

7:40 Speaker 6: The first time you came on, we did the Yeah,

7:42 Speaker 6: we did the flash drive option the very first time

7:45 Speaker 6: in the old station, and.

7:46 Speaker 7: That was our first album together too.

7:48 Speaker 6: Oh that's right, yeah, yeah. How many times have you

7:51 Speaker 6: guys been?

7:51 Speaker 7: Is this this is our third time?

7:53 Speaker 8: Now?

7:54 Speaker 7: No, it's not your fourth.

7:56 Speaker 5: No, I think you've been up here before.

7:59 Speaker 7: We had done stuff up in Laconia. Oh okay, maybe

8:03 Speaker 7: that's we did local outbreak up in Laconi.

8:05 Speaker 6: That's why I'm thinking that, yeah, both of us.

8:09 Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, because we did our first album was Meet

8:12 Speaker 7: Me and Gates City, so we played some of those

8:14 Speaker 7: songs and then the next time was we released an

8:18 Speaker 7: ep called Pound of Wait No Renaissance Park. I think

8:23 Speaker 7: it was the Renaissance Park. Yeah.

8:25 Speaker 6: Yeah, you guys have released a lot of music.

8:26 Speaker 7: It's hard to Yeah, yeah, it's been a while.

8:29 Speaker 6: Well, do you want to perform something?

8:31 Speaker 7: Or yeah? All right we have you have No Sugar

8:34 Speaker 7: Added A good way to warm up. This is the

8:37 Speaker 7: h This was the first single that we released from

8:40 Speaker 7: the new album. Okay, it's the second track. It's called

8:43 Speaker 7: No Sugar Added.

8:45 Speaker 6: Okay, check check.

8:59 Speaker 7: I've been in a days. Mine's amazing a blaze. I've

9:03 Speaker 7: been catching fighter since before the twelfth grade. I had

9:06 Speaker 7: this design you for couldn't getting out my way. Now

9:08 Speaker 7: I'm double the age, still rewinded the days. Can't believe

9:11 Speaker 7: what all I's done. I'm still looking back, been cleaning

9:14 Speaker 7: up because still remember the cooking crap. The strength that

9:17 Speaker 7: had for the needle, never quite took it back. Some

9:19 Speaker 7: days I still find that I'm quite shook. In fact,

9:22 Speaker 7: the light keeps going out. Maybe that's a sign for me.

9:25 Speaker 7: I have accepted that one day will be time for

9:27 Speaker 7: me someone's revenge. I suppose that it's fine with me.

9:30 Speaker 7: Nothing in life off didn't happen with the time and

9:32 Speaker 7: sweet all I can do. Work to build a good now,

9:35 Speaker 7: and then stay in the sun to makeup of days

9:37 Speaker 7: the shrouded in dens, I am the howling man standing

9:40 Speaker 7: upon the howland winds, night of the hunt of the preacher,

9:42 Speaker 7: upon the prowl. Again not perfect, not even close to

9:46 Speaker 7: all right. I can't remember the last time I slept

9:48 Speaker 7: all night, eyes wide open. But I need another hour.

9:52 Speaker 7: I just fell asleep already. Time for the shower. No sugar,

9:56 Speaker 7: no sugar. I just need water, meant the lea I

9:59 Speaker 7: can pad.

10:00 Speaker 5: No sugar added, no sugar added.

10:03 Speaker 7: Somewhere between apocalypse now anxiety and alarms again, hope my

10:09 Speaker 7: horrible ways could never harm a friend. Some men crossed

10:12 Speaker 7: me again, never saw him again, even the he the

10:14 Speaker 7: Nord demon can fall from a sin who called it again?

10:18 Speaker 7: I'm not sorry to them. Drowning in my own flood,

10:21 Speaker 7: I hardly can swim. Then I stopped too late. How

10:23 Speaker 7: could I be so selfish do the stupidest things, but

10:26 Speaker 7: know that I'm not helpless? Bad patterns, habits I need

10:29 Speaker 7: to learn to break. I'm mad scattered this matter. If

10:31 Speaker 7: I need to learn to shake, we'll extinguish over light

10:34 Speaker 7: the match to burn the lake, every roll of the dice,

10:37 Speaker 7: the one determined faith, slipping into the void for just

10:40 Speaker 7: a few hours to win my best to not flip.

10:42 Speaker 7: I got no new flower. My dreamscape is the place

10:45 Speaker 7: that I do scout in search of advances, like how

10:48 Speaker 7: I could bet the US power? Not perfect, not even

10:51 Speaker 7: close to all right, can't remember the last time I

10:54 Speaker 7: slept all night. I was wide open. But I need

10:56 Speaker 7: another hour. I just fell asleep already. Time for the shaft.

11:00 Speaker 7: No sugar added, no sugar added. I just need water,

11:04 Speaker 7: meant to leave, I get padded, no sugar added, no

11:07 Speaker 7: sugar added. Somewhere between being happy and mad and.

11:22 Speaker 6: I love it. I love it. Thank you Cody Pope

11:25 Speaker 6: and Ryron g Here whatever live in studio on this

11:27 Speaker 6: Saturday morning.

11:29 Speaker 7: Yeah, I couldn't hear everybody. At first. I was like,

11:31 Speaker 7: oh crap, what's going on?

11:34 Speaker 6: You made it work, You made it work.

11:35 Speaker 7: Volumes a magical thing.

11:37 Speaker 6: Yes, yes, Now tell us about you know. For people

11:40 Speaker 6: who are not familiar, so because you refer to it

11:42 Speaker 6: Hellhound Publishing, Yeah, what is that exactly? For people who

11:46 Speaker 6: don't know.

11:46 Speaker 7: So, Hellhound Publishing is a record label that I founded

11:50 Speaker 7: in twenty eighteen and that Byron now co owns with me,

11:53 Speaker 7: and so that is essentially our creative house where we

11:57 Speaker 7: not only do we distribute in all of our music,

12:01 Speaker 7: but we've been fortunate to sign and release music for

12:04 Speaker 7: some artists that we're really close with as well. Okay,

12:07 Speaker 7: we do music, we do some books, and we do podcasts.

12:10 Speaker 7: Those are really like our big things right now.

12:12 Speaker 6: Okay, okay, and yeah, you've talked about that on the

12:17 Speaker 6: show before. Has that kind of has that kind of

12:19 Speaker 6: grown in terms of who you're working with, Like you

12:21 Speaker 6: have more artists that you're that you're working with or

12:23 Speaker 6: I don't. I don't remember who we because I think

12:26 Speaker 6: the I think the first time you talked about it

12:28 Speaker 6: on the show, you had just kind of started that

12:30 Speaker 6: or you had started working together on that.

12:32 Speaker 7: I think, Yeah, I think what when we came on

12:34 Speaker 7: and put out Meet Me in gate City, we had

12:37 Speaker 7: only released a few records at that point, and now

12:41 Speaker 7: with Giant Steps in gate City, it's our fifteenth release

12:44 Speaker 7: on the record label.

12:45 Speaker 6: Oh wow, Yeah, okay, okay, Yeah.

12:48 Speaker 7: I feel very fortunate to say that after all this time.

12:51 Speaker 7: But yeah, it's been quite the wild ride.

12:53 Speaker 6: Yeah, no kidding, know, Wow, so who now, who else

12:56 Speaker 6: are you working with currently were you releasing music?

13:00 Speaker 7: So our roster that's active right now consists of mostly producers,

13:06 Speaker 7: but so they go out and perform a lot of

13:07 Speaker 7: instrumental shows and we have instrumental albums out for them

13:11 Speaker 7: as well. So we represent even Though, who is originally

13:16 Speaker 7: from Nashua but is now based out of the Worcester area.

13:19 Speaker 7: He has like this very like ethereal lo fi kind

13:22 Speaker 7: of sound, but then because he comes from like a

13:25 Speaker 7: boom back background, there's like a really cool blend of

13:28 Speaker 7: like an almost ambient boombap kind of sound. We represent

13:32 Speaker 7: an artist named Tripsey who's based out of Boston, Massachusetts area.

13:37 Speaker 7: He has a very electronic heavy sound. I like to

13:40 Speaker 7: compare him to like an Aphex Twin or a fat

13:42 Speaker 7: Boy Slim something along like very like high energy like

13:46 Speaker 7: party music. We also represent eight Biza as well. I

13:51 Speaker 7: know you know Biza. He has obviously been a long

13:54 Speaker 7: time contributor to the label and to my music as well,

13:58 Speaker 7: and so he's always yeah, yeah, he's always been a

14:02 Speaker 7: big part of the equation as well. And that is

14:05 Speaker 7: that's really the core of like artists that we have

14:09 Speaker 7: releases coming out for okay, but for twenty five where

14:13 Speaker 7: we're hoping to kind of expand the palette a little more. Yeah,

14:18 Speaker 7: we've kind of changed the way that we operate as

14:20 Speaker 7: a label a bit, and we've also like we've moved

14:23 Speaker 7: our headquarters. We had been in the same place for

14:25 Speaker 7: over ten years. Wow, So now we just moved into

14:28 Speaker 7: a new place and that's really evolved how we can

14:31 Speaker 7: operate as a label and a lot of capacities. So

14:34 Speaker 7: we may not have as many releases coming out in

14:38 Speaker 7: twenty five, but we fortunately have like really big plans

14:41 Speaker 7: and a lot more resources to apply to them now,

14:44 Speaker 7: which is exciting.

14:45 Speaker 6: Oh okay, yeah, very good. Now, why why the when

14:50 Speaker 6: you when you talk about the changes in terms of

14:51 Speaker 6: how you do things, is that is that something that

14:54 Speaker 6: does that come from kind of learning as you go

14:58 Speaker 6: or or does some of it I'm curious if some

15:00 Speaker 6: of it has to do too with you know, the

15:02 Speaker 6: music business is constantly changing and you know now and

15:07 Speaker 6: I don't think we've ever really talked about this aspect before,

15:09 Speaker 6: but now AI is kind of really changing things. I mean,

15:14 Speaker 6: does does that play a role?

15:16 Speaker 7: I would say, and you might have a different experience

15:19 Speaker 7: to speak to it for me as like a label owner.

15:24 Speaker 7: I always sought to be the person that I thought

15:27 Speaker 7: I would have wanted to have around as an artist,

15:31 Speaker 7: But I learned that I wasn't being the person that

15:34 Speaker 7: the artist needed, and that those are two separate things

15:38 Speaker 7: where you could want more than you actually need, and

15:41 Speaker 7: so not everybody's wants parallel, and so I had to

15:44 Speaker 7: learn how to manage the artists better on the release

15:50 Speaker 7: side of things, because with some of the early releases

15:54 Speaker 7: we put out on the label, we were very We

15:58 Speaker 7: were very involved in the record terms of like being

16:01 Speaker 7: in weekly meetings, trying to make plans, and some of

16:05 Speaker 7: the artists we were literally tracking all their music in

16:08 Speaker 7: our free time and doing the artwork for I've done

16:11 Speaker 7: the artwork for most of the releases on the label

16:15 Speaker 7: a lot of so we were like super involved, which

16:18 Speaker 7: feels good. But I think what we learned is that

16:22 Speaker 7: artists need to kind of finish the idea on their

16:25 Speaker 7: own and then kind of like be like, you know,

16:29 Speaker 7: we were trying to build things out of scratch with

16:31 Speaker 7: an artist, and really the artist has to kind of

16:34 Speaker 7: have that idea and figure out what they would do

16:37 Speaker 7: even if we weren't in the picture and if they

16:40 Speaker 7: were going to do that anyways, that's where we can

16:43 Speaker 7: be of the most service to them. But as artists,

16:47 Speaker 7: we have certain expectations for ourselves, and so it's not

16:50 Speaker 7: fair to apply those expectations to everybody unilaterally. Every artist

16:56 Speaker 7: requires a specific kind of like catered two means of

17:02 Speaker 7: getting their thing done, and if we love the art enough,

17:04 Speaker 7: we're going to work on on how to be that

17:07 Speaker 7: to each artist and still maintain the integrity of what

17:10 Speaker 7: we're trying to do personally.

17:12 Speaker 6: That makes sense because everyone's process is different.

17:15 Speaker 7: Yeah.

17:16 Speaker 6: Yeah, Now, now what about AI in terms of like, uh,

17:21 Speaker 6: like releasing music? Do you have to? Does it get

17:25 Speaker 6: complicated now?

17:26 Speaker 8: With UH?

17:28 Speaker 6: I mean it's it's incredible what's going on, Like I

17:30 Speaker 6: I see uh, you know, like major labels are suing

17:33 Speaker 6: AI companies and there's all this there's all this mess,

17:36 Speaker 6: like do you have to does it become a consideration

17:41 Speaker 6: when releasing music? Like is there an AI sample or

17:44 Speaker 6: something in here? Is there something that is going to

17:46 Speaker 6: cause us a problem down the road? And are there

17:49 Speaker 6: headaches that come with that?

17:50 Speaker 9: So it's I think personally, there's there's good and there's

17:53 Speaker 9: bad for for the sample based producers that like to

17:58 Speaker 9: dig in you know, old records of like old crates

18:01 Speaker 9: of records and things like that, which I am one

18:03 Speaker 9: of them. It makes it a little bit harder to

18:07 Speaker 9: kind of chop and and when it comes to release time,

18:10 Speaker 9: if you have samples on your beats, you kind of

18:14 Speaker 9: it's it's different now. It's definitely AI is picking up

18:17 Speaker 9: on a lot of that stuff. Doesn't mean that there's

18:21 Speaker 9: a place for it, because there definitely still is and

18:23 Speaker 9: a lot of you know, Snoop and dre are releasing.

18:27 Speaker 9: I mean, it's probably a little bit different because they

18:29 Speaker 9: have the actual stems from the artists, but.

18:33 Speaker 5: There's different avenues where you could go for that type

18:36 Speaker 5: of stuff now.

18:39 Speaker 9: But on the other side of things, I've been using

18:42 Speaker 9: AI to generate uh hord progressions and and different sounds

18:48 Speaker 9: and stuff like that, and i've you know.

18:50 Speaker 6: You cant firing. Can you pull that, Michael a little bit?

18:52 Speaker 6: Just yeah, just I noticed it was just dropping out.

18:55 Speaker 6: Yeah it is, that's better. Yeah, thank you, it's just

18:57 Speaker 6: it it starts to sorry about that, want to make

19:01 Speaker 6: sure we can hear you. I'm sorry, good, Yeah, go ahead. Yeah.

19:04 Speaker 5: On the other other side of things.

19:05 Speaker 9: I've been using AI to generate melodies and chords and

19:09 Speaker 9: picking my keys and blending and mashing a bunch of

19:13 Speaker 9: like AI generated stuff and basically using them as my

19:16 Speaker 9: samples as of late.

19:18 Speaker 5: Chopping it up that way, okay, and doing it that way.

19:22 Speaker 9: It's all like you're you're the creator, so there's no

19:26 Speaker 9: royalties or there's no copyright infringement cases that you run

19:32 Speaker 9: into doing it that way, and it's different. There's a

19:36 Speaker 9: million different possibilities. And I'm the type of guy it's like,

19:39 Speaker 9: as we evolve, as you know, producers and just musicians,

19:45 Speaker 9: if you're not using all of the elements that are

19:49 Speaker 9: at your hands these days, you're gonna fall behind. So

19:52 Speaker 9: there's good and there's bad. It's just all about how.

19:55 Speaker 5: You look at it. I think.

19:56 Speaker 6: Yeah, adaptability is so important absolutely, and yeah, adapting technologies. Yeah,

20:01 Speaker 6: I was talking to somebody about that in terms of

20:05 Speaker 6: doing a like a radio show. You know, like there

20:08 Speaker 6: was a time when a radio show would just be

20:09 Speaker 6: on the radio, but we've had to adapt to you

20:12 Speaker 6: know now you know, podcasting and streaming and all of that,

20:15 Speaker 6: and and if you don't if you don't do that, yeah,

20:17 Speaker 6: if you don't adapt, you fall behind.

20:19 Speaker 9: Yeah, Like I would never like take someone's voice right

20:23 Speaker 9: and have them say specifically rics like I wouldn't use

20:26 Speaker 9: AI or anything like that. Yeah, But in terms of

20:30 Speaker 9: like creating, I'm definitely messing around with AI.

20:34 Speaker 5: Yeah, it comes to creating melodies and stuff like that. Sure.

20:37 Speaker 7: Sure, So I think the thing that's important with AI,

20:40 Speaker 7: and that's why I'm glad you spoke on it because

20:41 Speaker 7: you have more experience with it. I don't. But I

20:44 Speaker 7: just from like a outside looking in perspective kind of thing,

20:48 Speaker 7: I feel like there's a lot of fear around AI

20:52 Speaker 7: taking on creative tasks and things of that nature. And

20:55 Speaker 7: I think the the ultimate responsibility or obligation is that like,

20:59 Speaker 7: if we don't determine how AI is going to be used,

21:04 Speaker 7: other things are going to determine that for us. And

21:07 Speaker 7: so it's like, rather than being afraid of AI and

21:10 Speaker 7: being so against it, figure out how to implement it

21:14 Speaker 7: into your life in the ways it that you want.

21:17 Speaker 7: You know, It's like, Yeah, my conversations with most people

21:20 Speaker 7: is that it's like you want AI to take care

21:22 Speaker 7: of menial tasks and things that are time consuming and

21:26 Speaker 7: take away from you, like living your most life. So

21:29 Speaker 7: it's like if we sit back and wait for AI

21:32 Speaker 7: to become what it is, it's going to take the

21:34 Speaker 7: things we love instead, because nobody like stepped in and

21:37 Speaker 7: said like no, I want to do this part, like

21:40 Speaker 7: do this task for me instead. And I don't have

21:44 Speaker 7: any experience using it, So that's why it's like hard

21:46 Speaker 7: for me to really like put my foot down one

21:48 Speaker 7: way or another. But I just feel like we have

21:50 Speaker 7: to kind of like we are the users of AI,

21:53 Speaker 7: so we have to dictate what purpose it's going to

21:56 Speaker 7: serve to us before it becomes consequential.

22:00 Speaker 6: Got to be proactive with it.

22:01 Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, I think like for independent artists,

22:05 Speaker 9: it definitely can be like an attribute to you because

22:10 Speaker 9: as an independent artist, you have to you have to

22:12 Speaker 9: wear so many hats, right, whether it's creating artwork or

22:16 Speaker 9: whether it's you know, coming up with videos or whatever,

22:18 Speaker 9: and AI can be a huge help for that stuff

22:22 Speaker 9: if you're not specifically like a drawing artist to make

22:26 Speaker 9: up your own artwork whatever it is, right, Yeah, definitely

22:29 Speaker 9: use AI to help you out on that side of

22:31 Speaker 9: things too.

22:32 Speaker 7: And even just like like task stuff, I would think

22:35 Speaker 7: more so you know, like as somebody who makes artwork,

22:37 Speaker 7: it's like, I like, I like that side of things.

22:40 Speaker 7: But I'm sure even as like maybe an engineer or

22:43 Speaker 7: like a radio show producer, there's certain like engineering things

22:47 Speaker 7: where it's like I wish this, I wish my mixer

22:49 Speaker 7: just always set to these levels, or I wish my

22:52 Speaker 7: fader just always went to this thing, or I wish

22:55 Speaker 7: my preset always went you know, these are kind of

22:57 Speaker 7: the initial These are things that like a I could

23:00 Speaker 7: probably do for us is like set these kind of

23:03 Speaker 7: prerequisite things so that when we go to use our

23:06 Speaker 7: creative tools, they're like in the right settings or whatever.

23:10 Speaker 9: Yeah, everything else as long as you put the time

23:13 Speaker 9: behind to learn the things you know, and you can

23:16 Speaker 9: manipulate anything in your favor. Yeah, you know, as long

23:19 Speaker 9: as you put the time in and effort to figure

23:21 Speaker 9: it out.

23:22 Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, No, I agree. Well said you guys

23:25 Speaker 6: want to play another one?

23:27 Speaker 7: Yeah, what do you think? Maybe gratitude?

23:38 Speaker 6: Sure, if you're just joining us. We have Cody Pope

23:40 Speaker 6: and Byron g here with us live in studio. Let

23:43 Speaker 6: me get that. Uh, there we go.

23:47 Speaker 5: I gotta find this joint.

24:03 Speaker 1: Some days I wake up and I wish I had it.

24:09 Speaker 7: I hate that I'm sad, but my love monks feel

24:12 Speaker 7: so glad that he's a lead tripping Don't know, Vie,

24:17 Speaker 7: I'm so mad man, got a lot to be gratefulfore,

24:22 Speaker 7: You've awn I'm down, bad man.

24:25 Speaker 1: Some days I wake up and I wish I had it.

24:32 Speaker 1: I hate that I'm sad, but my love monks feel

24:34 Speaker 1: so glad that he's a lead tripping Don't know why.

24:39 Speaker 7: I'm so mad man, got a lot to be grateful for.

24:44 Speaker 1: You've awen. I'm damn bad man.

24:48 Speaker 7: Wake up in my brain already feeling dark. Get the couch, already,

24:53 Speaker 7: chase a spot, contemplating in my sick or unhealthy. It's

24:57 Speaker 7: this depression of calma for unwealthy enough Cleverty to know

25:01 Speaker 7: that I'm the end of me, the one destroying me,

25:04 Speaker 7: the one should be defending me. Gotta take time enough

25:07 Speaker 7: to know you can't make time, So make mind feel

25:09 Speaker 7: with the things that shape live. What you heard on

25:12 Speaker 7: the great vine might not taste right, so you don't

25:14 Speaker 7: gotta make wine. You'll still make life. Plant that seed

25:18 Speaker 7: that gone well in your family with the real money tree,

25:20 Speaker 7: life's optical standing fees. Still days I'm fighting to guest trooper.

25:25 Speaker 7: But I survived when not for me, my trooper, when

25:28 Speaker 7: the fight come at the door, you can't be true.

25:30 Speaker 7: You missed that chance. Might well.

25:32 Speaker 1: Some days I wake up and I wish I had it.

25:39 Speaker 7: I hate that I'm sad, but my loved ones feel

25:41 Speaker 7: so glad man.

25:44 Speaker 1: He's the lead tripping. Don't know why, I'm so mad man.

25:49 Speaker 7: Got a lot to be grateful for even when I'm down,

25:53 Speaker 7: bad man.

25:54 Speaker 1: Some days I wake up and I wish I had it,

26:00 Speaker 1: And I hate that I'm sad, but on the loved

26:03 Speaker 1: ones feel so bad man.

26:07 Speaker 7: He's the lead tripping Don't no, Bob, I'm so mad man.

26:12 Speaker 7: You got a lot to be grateful for, even when

26:14 Speaker 7: I'm down bad man. Some days I wake up.

26:19 Speaker 4: Wake up.

26:28 Speaker 6: Mmm, good stuff, guys, good stuff.

26:31 Speaker 7: Thank you.

26:31 Speaker 6: If you're just joining us, we have Cody Pope and

26:33 Speaker 6: Byron g here with us live in studio and uh yeah,

26:37 Speaker 6: I love that track and it's it's very relatable.

26:39 Speaker 7: I Uh I have those days, right, That's the thing,

26:43 Speaker 7: you know, I feel like most of us do. And yeah,

26:45 Speaker 7: when we're in those moments, you kind of feel like

26:48 Speaker 7: you're the only person and it's like, man, how is

26:50 Speaker 7: like the world really like crashing down on me. But

26:53 Speaker 7: when you realize how many people in your life have

26:55 Speaker 7: made it to that next day, it's like, all right,

26:57 Speaker 7: let me let me just try and like for a minute, yeah,

27:01 Speaker 7: and stop thinking about what's weighing on me and like

27:04 Speaker 7: figure out what's like lifting me instead.

27:06 Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, no, I like that a lot. You know,

27:09 Speaker 6: I'm pretty public about it. I struggle with depression, and

27:12 Speaker 6: so I can I can relate to that, you know.

27:15 Speaker 6: I hear those lyrics and it's like, yeah, yeah, I

27:17 Speaker 6: get it. I get it.

27:21 Speaker 8: Now?

27:21 Speaker 6: Are you so the new album it just came out.

27:24 Speaker 7: It came out in October.

27:25 Speaker 6: Came out in October, so pretty recent.

27:27 Speaker 5: Yeah are you?

27:27 Speaker 6: Are you already working on the next one? It seems

27:29 Speaker 6: like you guys are pretty prolific. You put out a

27:31 Speaker 6: lot of music.

27:32 Speaker 7: Yeah. So we have a lot of stuff in the

27:33 Speaker 7: vault right now, and we definitely have some releases planned

27:37 Speaker 7: for next year. But we're gonna, honestly spend a lot

27:40 Speaker 7: of time with this record. We've been working on visuals

27:43 Speaker 7: for it. So we do these seminars called inside the Music.

27:47 Speaker 7: We do them at Nashville Public Library, and oh yeah,

27:50 Speaker 7: we take songs from our records and kind of break

27:53 Speaker 7: down the lyrics and the stories and the Ryan patterns,

27:56 Speaker 7: the references, and he'll break down the stems of how

27:59 Speaker 7: the song composed. And we put one together for Giant Steps,

28:04 Speaker 7: and we didn't get to do it in time for

28:07 Speaker 7: the release. So that's gonna be one of the things

28:09 Speaker 7: that we do this spring is Return of the Library seminar,

28:14 Speaker 7: and so we really just want to give people time

28:17 Speaker 7: to take this record in. It's eighteen songs, and we

28:21 Speaker 7: have a documentary coming out for it on Monday, which

28:24 Speaker 7: really covers like from when we did meet Me in

28:27 Speaker 7: Gates City to where we're at now. And so there

28:30 Speaker 7: was like a lot of like obstacles along the way

28:33 Speaker 7: of getting the album out, and so because it took

28:36 Speaker 7: us so long to get here, we're really hoping that

28:39 Speaker 7: we can afford to take time with this record over

28:42 Speaker 7: next year because there's a lot to take in. You know,

28:45 Speaker 7: it's eighteen songs. It's a very like in depth personal record.

28:49 Speaker 7: It's the essentially like the follow up to you know,

28:53 Speaker 7: the first record that we did Meet Me in Gate

28:56 Speaker 7: City was shortly after we met as Peple, you know,

29:01 Speaker 7: and like we met and within a year and some change,

29:04 Speaker 7: we had a full length album out and had been

29:06 Speaker 7: playing all over the region and running this label together,

29:10 Speaker 7: and so so much has happened in that time, and

29:14 Speaker 7: we've learned a lot. We've both gone through so much

29:17 Speaker 7: in our personal lives, and so the album is really

29:22 Speaker 7: a document of so much of that that it's hard

29:25 Speaker 7: to like move on to the next thing already. Where

29:29 Speaker 7: like we have, like we have an EP that we

29:31 Speaker 7: had already recorded. I have a actually I have a

29:34 Speaker 7: project with Biza that we're hoping to put out next year.

29:37 Speaker 7: Cool I have a live band record that him that

29:40 Speaker 7: he's helped me engineer that we've been working on for

29:43 Speaker 7: a couple of years. We worked some great artists from Maine.

29:46 Speaker 7: So we have stuff that we're hoping to put out

29:48 Speaker 7: next year. But it just is, ah, everything's kind of

29:52 Speaker 7: happening on a feeling now where we did so much

29:55 Speaker 7: stuff on setting deadlines that we thought fit within our

29:59 Speaker 7: market place, and our audience has really shown us that

30:03 Speaker 7: we can dictate our own marketplace, and the best way

30:07 Speaker 7: to do that is to not compromise the integrity of

30:10 Speaker 7: these records. And so we're really hoping and frankly you know,

30:14 Speaker 7: just to be like honest about it. The record is

30:17 Speaker 7: doing very well in regards to reception. People that hear

30:22 Speaker 7: it loved the record. People have been buying the CDs,

30:25 Speaker 7: which is great. The show was fantastic, But in terms

30:28 Speaker 7: of like the typical benchmarks that you're trying to reach

30:32 Speaker 7: in audience growth and stuff like that, we're just not

30:34 Speaker 7: there yet. Yeah, We're a long ways away from being

30:39 Speaker 7: where we're at comfortably in growing our audience, and so

30:45 Speaker 7: it seems like it would be detrimental of us to

30:48 Speaker 7: move on from this record too fast when there's so

30:50 Speaker 7: much substance there.

30:52 Speaker 6: Yeah, no, that makes sense.

30:54 Speaker 9: We also went to a legit studio this time around

30:58 Speaker 9: two oh before we were it was all in house

31:02 Speaker 9: like doing all the engineering, mixing, mastering.

31:04 Speaker 5: All that stuff.

31:05 Speaker 9: This time, due to you know, time and our mental

31:10 Speaker 9: capacities with work and stuff like that, it just wasn't

31:13 Speaker 9: gonna come out the way we wanted it to. So

31:17 Speaker 9: we made the decision to bring in Mertz, who Cody

31:20 Speaker 9: had previously worked with who's uh engineered down at the

31:23 Speaker 9: Bridge in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and he was kind of like

31:26 Speaker 9: the third member of the team to help us put

31:28 Speaker 9: this one together.

31:29 Speaker 5: Yeah, and he absolutely crushed it, blew it out the

31:33 Speaker 5: like hit it right out the park.

31:35 Speaker 4: Like.

31:35 Speaker 5: The synergy between the three of us was fantastic.

31:38 Speaker 9: Every time we were down in his studio, we recorded

31:40 Speaker 9: the whole thing down there, and he was like a

31:44 Speaker 9: huge part of this record.

31:45 Speaker 5: So sonically it's definitely like our best sounding record.

31:50 Speaker 7: Too, Okay, it really it allowed us to be like

31:55 Speaker 7: it allowed us to operate as a duo as artists

31:58 Speaker 7: where doing meet being gate City. Even though we were

32:01 Speaker 7: a duo, he had to be the Rick Rubin and

32:05 Speaker 7: like run the boards and make sure that I was

32:07 Speaker 7: doing what I needed to do. And and so this

32:09 Speaker 7: time was like we both just got to be the

32:11 Speaker 7: artists and have our vision be brought to life. And

32:14 Speaker 7: so I'm glad that you brought that up because I

32:17 Speaker 7: do think that that also like played a big part

32:19 Speaker 7: in making.

32:20 Speaker 5: This step what it was. Yeah, the upbraid for sure.

32:24 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a huge and that's and it's supposed to

32:26 Speaker 7: you know, it's like this is part of a greater story.

32:29 Speaker 7: And so you know, from Meet Me and Gate City,

32:32 Speaker 7: it was a lot of getting to know us, getting

32:34 Speaker 7: to know how to operate with each other, and us

32:37 Speaker 7: getting to know who our audience was now because this

32:39 Speaker 7: music was quite a bit different than my solo music

32:43 Speaker 7: and now with Giant Steps, it's exactly that. Like we

32:47 Speaker 7: were willing to challenge ourselves, we were willing to challenge

32:50 Speaker 7: the listeners, We were willing to challenge the status quo.

32:54 Speaker 7: We were willing to step outside of all of our

32:56 Speaker 7: comfort zones and just make a record that we felt

32:59 Speaker 7: was like a strong body of work. And I'm happy

33:02 Speaker 7: to like stand on that for a long time.

33:04 Speaker 6: Yea, was that a difficult decision to to because you

33:08 Speaker 6: had done the previous tracks?

33:10 Speaker 5: Yes?

33:10 Speaker 7: And yeah, yeah we tried. Frankly, like we we we

33:15 Speaker 7: took a couple of different attempts at doing so. We

33:18 Speaker 7: were gonna do EP three before the new album we

33:21 Speaker 7: had so that we did Pound of Flesh. Then we

33:23 Speaker 7: did Renaissance Park, and we have one more that we

33:27 Speaker 7: already have written, and so we went to record that

33:30 Speaker 7: and we just we just weren't feeling it. There was

33:33 Speaker 7: just something, And that's when I think he started to

33:35 Speaker 7: realize he was getting burnt from the engineering, the mixing,

33:39 Speaker 7: the mastering, all that stuff, and it.

33:41 Speaker 9: Was juggling family with work and at the studio till

33:46 Speaker 9: two am and then waking up and going to work

33:49 Speaker 9: and doing the same thing, and.

33:50 Speaker 6: It's a lot.

33:51 Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a lot. And we have been doing

33:52 Speaker 5: that for like three years straight.

33:54 Speaker 7: So yeah, you don't get that same off filming, right right, Yeah,

34:00 Speaker 7: you don't get that same fulfillment when it feels like

34:03 Speaker 7: work all the time.

34:04 Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's what it was definitely becoming the field.

34:06 Speaker 9: It was starting to feel like work and that's the

34:10 Speaker 9: complete opposite artist, right right.

34:14 Speaker 7: But it was also like a blessing in disguise because

34:16 Speaker 7: the songs for EP three, while we love them, by

34:20 Speaker 7: the time we kind of figured out that we wanted

34:22 Speaker 7: to like go back into the studio setting, those songs

34:26 Speaker 7: wouldn't have worked for the time period that they would

34:29 Speaker 7: have been done. You know, there was just a sonic

34:31 Speaker 7: appeal to having them in like the springtime. They just

34:34 Speaker 7: have that kind of energy. And we didn't start recording

34:37 Speaker 7: until the beginning of summer, so by the time we

34:40 Speaker 7: were done, it was going to be late summer fall,

34:42 Speaker 7: and we would have just been putting out songs just

34:44 Speaker 7: to put something out and just to keep up with

34:46 Speaker 7: the joneses, And instead we have this body of work

34:50 Speaker 7: that just like everything made sense and it was like

34:53 Speaker 7: it just really reminded us of like we can't always

34:56 Speaker 7: dictate the timelines. We just have to make the art

34:59 Speaker 7: in the art going to tell us not to be

35:01 Speaker 7: like you know, but like the art is really going

35:04 Speaker 7: to set the terms of like what we can do.

35:06 Speaker 7: Like nothing we say matters until we have a body

35:09 Speaker 7: of work in our hands and then we can you know,

35:12 Speaker 7: get to the starting line.

35:13 Speaker 6: Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. By the way,

35:17 Speaker 6: you mentioned so you do you've done most of the

35:19 Speaker 6: artwork for the artist who released through All Lound. Yeah,

35:23 Speaker 6: is there is there any kind of a like, do

35:26 Speaker 6: you have a specific style that you apply to The

35:29 Speaker 6: reason I'm curious is in the past, it probably isn't

35:34 Speaker 6: really a thing anymore, but I just remember like back

35:36 Speaker 6: in the nineties or in the two thousands, like No

35:38 Speaker 6: Limit Records, you know, there was a very.

35:41 Speaker 7: Specific style pixel.

35:44 Speaker 8: Yeah.

35:44 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm curious if if, like, do you have a

35:47 Speaker 6: specific style that you try to use.

35:49 Speaker 7: Or I don't. The only thing I guess I would

35:51 Speaker 7: really say about my style is that I am in

35:55 Speaker 7: I'm not like a traditionally trained graphic designer. I don't

35:59 Speaker 7: have any sort of like art background or anything. I

36:03 Speaker 7: learned how to use photoshop purely because I wanted to

36:06 Speaker 7: be a guy starting a record label, and so the

36:09 Speaker 7: root of my like artistic style is very photo heavy.

36:14 Speaker 7: So I love when somebody can either give me a

36:17 Speaker 7: photo or give me a reference or something, and that

36:20 Speaker 7: is typically like my canvas, and I can like creatively

36:23 Speaker 7: build from there, and like I'm I'm learning how to

36:26 Speaker 7: do other stuff. But I would say that through the

36:29 Speaker 7: fifteen releases that we've put out that I've done covers for,

36:34 Speaker 7: they're very like photo centric, where it's about a certain

36:38 Speaker 7: like character or a certain idea and then I'll just

36:42 Speaker 7: kind of design around that idea.

36:44 Speaker 6: Yeah.

36:44 Speaker 9: Yeah, Robert, Yeah, he's the one who basically took all

36:49 Speaker 9: the pictures of us, yeah for the for the last

36:53 Speaker 9: ep in this album.

36:55 Speaker 6: Oh okay, Yeah, he was.

36:59 Speaker 9: Just the the artist in him, Like he was literally

37:02 Speaker 9: laying down almost like head in traffic to get that

37:06 Speaker 9: perfect angle.

37:07 Speaker 5: Yeah. He's one of a kind, awesome.

37:10 Speaker 7: Yeah, he's actually based here in Manchester. His name is

37:13 Speaker 7: Robert Bates okay, and you can so you can find

37:16 Speaker 7: his Robert Bates Photography and on Instagram. He goes by

37:20 Speaker 7: Domino Sonata. But he's also like a very he's a

37:23 Speaker 7: very into cinema, like local cinema and film and film

37:27 Speaker 7: history and stuff like that too, So you.

37:29 Speaker 9: Could totally feel it when you're like when you see

37:31 Speaker 9: his photos. Really, he's incredible, man, And I think what

37:36 Speaker 9: Nick did? Beat me in Gay City? So okay, Nix

37:40 Speaker 9: is girlfriend?

37:41 Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, So we have a lot of like close

37:43 Speaker 7: people in our network that shoot photos and then I

37:45 Speaker 7: just like, am fortunate enough to take those to manipulate them.

37:49 Speaker 6: Oh that's cool? Yeah, yeah, very cool. Uh you guys

37:52 Speaker 6: want to play another one?

37:53 Speaker 5: Sure? Yeah? What do we go?

37:54 Speaker 6: Dying to hear more?

37:56 Speaker 8: Here?

37:56 Speaker 6: If you're just showing us, we have Cody Pope and

37:58 Speaker 6: Byron g here with us a live and suit.

38:02 Speaker 7: And leant do exit more. Yeah, it's a funny one,

38:10 Speaker 7: all right, you're watching at home. You can snap with

38:19 Speaker 7: us elevated to the gallows like a miles in France,

38:37 Speaker 7: life be hitting differently do miles of dance might have

38:40 Speaker 7: a thousand yards stare of of a mile and trance

38:43 Speaker 7: life can be so short you're running miles and pants

38:46 Speaker 7: don't care for people but a smile because why not

38:49 Speaker 7: this life the only one that I know that I got.

38:51 Speaker 7: All this third eye jazz got me feeling like Cyclops

38:54 Speaker 7: every year for a little closer to the feeling like

38:56 Speaker 7: my pops, frustrated with my nation, probably for different reasons

39:00 Speaker 7: of posing opinions on opposition, committing treason. I'm from where

39:04 Speaker 7: you got to embrace multiple seasons. One day it's spring,

39:07 Speaker 7: one day you've taken the leaves and still jump hurdles.

39:10 Speaker 7: But I got these long legs for ramp up my

39:12 Speaker 7: pro team. What I eat all these eggs for. I

39:15 Speaker 7: grew up between exit one and exit for, But even

39:18 Speaker 7: as a youth, I knew I had to exit more.

39:22 Speaker 5: A little short one.

39:24 Speaker 6: That is a short one.

39:24 Speaker 9: Well yeah, there's a lot of those little kind of

39:27 Speaker 9: like interlowers between each, a lot of the tracks on

39:30 Speaker 9: this one.

39:30 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, No, I like it though. One day it's spring,

39:33 Speaker 6: next day or taking the leaves, then that is true,

39:36 Speaker 6: That is our weather tends to go up. Yes, yes,

39:40 Speaker 6: we have Cody Pope and Byron's here with us alive

39:42 Speaker 6: in studio and uh sounding great, are you guys playing

39:47 Speaker 6: out Lutrey? Are you doing a lot of live shows?

39:49 Speaker 7: They so it was I would say, this was probably

39:52 Speaker 7: our slowest year we did. We did a run in

39:55 Speaker 7: March when we put out Renaissance Park. We were real lucky.

39:59 Speaker 7: We got to go out with a already the rugged

40:00 Speaker 7: Man for a night. We did some nights in Vermont,

40:04 Speaker 7: came here you're with the first stop. That was the well,

40:08 Speaker 7: that's the show. That's okay, going back to before we

40:11 Speaker 7: were on air, that's we were here for Renaissance Park,

40:15 Speaker 7: and that was the show that the computer crashed. Yes,

40:18 Speaker 7: because we played let It Grow for the first time.

40:21 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's that's part of that that same night.

40:26 Speaker 6: Okay, okay, wow.

40:28 Speaker 7: But after that run of shows, it was pretty quiet.

40:32 Speaker 7: For the most part. We did something, you know, something

40:34 Speaker 7: here or there.

40:35 Speaker 5: A lot of life stuff was going on.

40:37 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, we we started working on well, so we

40:42 Speaker 7: started EP three basically in like so, Renaissance Park came

40:47 Speaker 7: out in March, and by like the end of April

40:50 Speaker 7: we were already jumping into EP three, and then by

40:54 Speaker 7: like the end of May we realized everything just like

40:58 Speaker 7: wasn't working. And by the end of June we were

41:00 Speaker 7: already down at the Bridge working on the new album. Okay,

41:05 Speaker 7: So it was just one of those things that like,

41:07 Speaker 7: and then we spent so much time doing the album

41:10 Speaker 7: and we didn't want to. We knew what we wanted

41:13 Speaker 7: to do for the release show, and we knew if

41:15 Speaker 7: we did too many shows beforehand that that would kind

41:18 Speaker 7: of like spoil or saturate it. So once we started

41:22 Speaker 7: working on the album, we made like a very like

41:25 Speaker 7: conscious effort to be like, look, we're gonna not perform

41:28 Speaker 7: until this show. We want people to really like, this

41:31 Speaker 7: is the next time they experience us is going to

41:33 Speaker 7: be hearing these songs in a room that we booked

41:36 Speaker 7: with our sound ore lighting, our caterers that we brought

41:40 Speaker 7: like just like a show the way that we think

41:42 Speaker 7: it makes the most sense, and like, I think it

41:46 Speaker 7: was one of the best decisions we made because the

41:49 Speaker 7: event turned out like really memorable.

41:52 Speaker 6: Excellent, excellent. By the way, what was our a the

41:55 Speaker 6: rugged man like he seems like an intense dude, Like.

41:58 Speaker 7: Yeah, he's very tense. Yeah, we we didn't get to

42:03 Speaker 7: meet him. I I've opened I think I've opened for

42:06 Speaker 7: him like three or four times and I've literally never

42:08 Speaker 7: met him. So oh really that's just how rappers.

42:12 Speaker 6: Are, though, Yeah, he I I I heard I heard

42:16 Speaker 6: an interesting story about him. Do you guys know daver So?

42:20 Speaker 7: I don't know him personally, but I feel like we

42:23 Speaker 7: The name sounds familiar and I'm pretty sure we played

42:26 Speaker 7: a show like years and years ago in the past,

42:28 Speaker 7: if I'm not mistaken.

42:29 Speaker 6: Okay, yeah he he opened for Uh.

42:33 Speaker 7: I bet you that was probably I bet you I

42:35 Speaker 7: might have been on that show too, okaybe maybe that's

42:37 Speaker 7: where I know him from.

42:39 Speaker 6: Yeah he he. He told me an interesting story which

42:41 Speaker 6: I won't I won't repeat.

42:43 Speaker 5: But I never want to be as loud as a

42:46 Speaker 5: live sound engineer. Man. I felt bad for that night.

42:51 Speaker 6: Really why I did the engineer take some verbal and

42:55 Speaker 6: yeah he did?

42:56 Speaker 9: And uh you know, I mean if you're an art

42:59 Speaker 9: like as around for you know, over two decades.

43:02 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's like there's a there's a level of expectation.

43:05 Speaker 9: Yeah, you gotta if you're gonna you know, oh yeah, yeah,

43:08 Speaker 9: do anything with them, which is you know, he earned that.

43:10 Speaker 6: So if you guys ever seen the mouthdown he had

43:12 Speaker 6: with Tim Poole on his podcast.

43:16 Speaker 7: That sounds wild.

43:17 Speaker 6: Oh it's great. Yeah yeah, if you go on YouTube

43:18 Speaker 6: and just hide in Tim pool all right, the recommend

43:20 Speaker 6: I'm sure it comes right out.

43:22 Speaker 5: I got to check that out.

43:23 Speaker 6: Yeah, you gotta get a little angry with Tim Poole.

43:26 Speaker 6: It was just like, I'm not that guy. You don't

43:28 Speaker 6: want to go there with me. I can't even do

43:30 Speaker 6: an impression of it. It's it's really really good, but

43:33 Speaker 6: I'm really angry with it. Was awesome, It's fantastic.

43:39 Speaker 7: I can just like picture that in my head.

43:41 Speaker 6: Yes, it's really good. Now who else?

43:47 Speaker 8: Now?

43:47 Speaker 6: Is there any is there anyone else coming up in

43:50 Speaker 6: the short term who you're releasing through?

43:52 Speaker 8: Uh?

43:55 Speaker 7: In sometime this spring, we are hoping to release so Biza. Yeah, yeah,

44:03 Speaker 7: really yeah. Business just dropped a Merry Christmas beat tape

44:06 Speaker 7: which is on all streaming platforms, so everybody should go

44:09 Speaker 7: listen to that. But when we initially obviously Bizza has

44:14 Speaker 7: always been a part of our movement, but when we

44:18 Speaker 7: like made a formal offer to be like, hey, we

44:21 Speaker 7: want to have a record of yours come out on

44:23 Speaker 7: the label, he put out what what I kind of

44:26 Speaker 7: consider like his magnum opus is an album he did

44:29 Speaker 7: a few years ago. It's called Bobby's boombapp recitle. Okay,

44:32 Speaker 7: it's like his producer composition album, and he basically hired

44:38 Speaker 7: and picked and curated all of the like vocal features

44:43 Speaker 7: on the record and produced it and put them all

44:46 Speaker 7: together and it's it's a phenomenal album. It just has

44:50 Speaker 7: acrobatic mister Lyft, Crime Apple, my favorite rapper Cody Pope

44:56 Speaker 7: is on there. Tons of people are on There's There's

44:59 Speaker 7: just Time and lep who don't even really perform anymore.

45:03 Speaker 7: So it's probably one of the last recordings that they did. Yeah,

45:05 Speaker 7: there's just these phenomenal verses on there. But much like

45:09 Speaker 7: a lot of us as artists, because they didn't have

45:11 Speaker 7: a budget behind him to do some grand release. He

45:15 Speaker 7: didn't have money to do a physical release, you know,

45:18 Speaker 7: there wasn't He was doing it all himself, you know,

45:20 Speaker 7: and he puts so much into making it that it

45:23 Speaker 7: didn't even get like a huge digital distribution. Okay, So

45:28 Speaker 7: one of the things that we wanted to do first

45:30 Speaker 7: was give that record like a really grand release. And

45:36 Speaker 7: over the years we've been trying to like put a

45:38 Speaker 7: CD package together that really like is special and put

45:42 Speaker 7: some video content around it. So this Spring really is

45:46 Speaker 7: hopefully going to be the Bobby's Boom back recital Spring,

45:49 Speaker 7: as well as some more stuff from us.

45:51 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, business incredible. Yeah, I haven't interviewed him and

45:55 Speaker 6: a really I gotta get him on the show.

45:56 Speaker 7: Yeah, he's always got stuff going on.

45:59 Speaker 9: I went into the studio it was like two weeks

46:01 Speaker 9: ago to and and ran into Biza there and what

46:05 Speaker 9: he was doing that night, I actually got it.

46:07 Speaker 5: I had was like taking videos and stuff.

46:09 Speaker 9: Just the way he manipulates samples and audio is like

46:13 Speaker 9: no one's doing it like him. He could literally you

46:17 Speaker 9: can smack this wall and he'll make a full beat

46:19 Speaker 9: out of it.

46:20 Speaker 5: Like, yes, he's on another level.

46:22 Speaker 9: And I hope I think he'll get his flowers soon

46:25 Speaker 9: where everybody really Yeah.

46:28 Speaker 5: You know, I can see that he can just he's

46:30 Speaker 5: he's the mad scientist for that's what I call it.

46:33 Speaker 5: He just can anything any sound.

46:36 Speaker 9: He's manipulating it in his way, and it's really incredible

46:40 Speaker 9: to see when he's in his zone at the studio.

46:43 Speaker 7: You know.

46:43 Speaker 8: Yeah.

46:44 Speaker 7: Yeah, I hate to be biased because I'm obviously like

46:46 Speaker 7: his friend, but I can't tell you enough, like as

46:50 Speaker 7: a record label owner and obviously like Bizza is an artist,

46:55 Speaker 7: so I'm not saying that he's not challenging in his

46:57 Speaker 7: own right. But but Bizza is he's the type of

47:01 Speaker 7: artist you want to work with as a label owner

47:04 Speaker 7: because he's doing things that he was going to do,

47:08 Speaker 7: even if you were sorry that he's doing things that

47:12 Speaker 7: he was gonna do, even if you weren't in the picture.

47:15 Speaker 7: And that's what you want, is you want an art

47:17 Speaker 7: of You want an artist that's motivated enough to do

47:19 Speaker 7: it themselves, so that when you come in and partner

47:22 Speaker 7: with them, you're just adding fuel to something that was

47:25 Speaker 7: already there. If you just know a great artist but

47:29 Speaker 7: they're not driven to do it on their own, you're

47:32 Speaker 7: like pulling teeth sometimes because it's like they clearly didn't

47:35 Speaker 7: want it if if you if they weren't already doing it,

47:38 Speaker 7: you know. And so with Bizy, you almost have to

47:41 Speaker 7: chase him sometimes because he's so motivated that's he's dropping

47:45 Speaker 7: stuff constantly, and you got to kind and so that's

47:48 Speaker 7: why it's like we have a unique friendship and relationship

47:51 Speaker 7: with him because it's like he was doing this before

47:54 Speaker 7: either of us anyways. So it's like you got to

47:56 Speaker 7: give him room to do his thing and let him

47:59 Speaker 7: breathe creatively. But we just feel fortunate that like he

48:04 Speaker 7: still like wants to partner with us and do stuff

48:06 Speaker 7: with us as well, because we like to find those

48:09 Speaker 7: little gems every now and then and be like, here's

48:11 Speaker 7: how we can help bring that into the world.

48:14 Speaker 6: Right, right, Have you ever I mean obviously I don't

48:16 Speaker 6: expect you to mention any names, but have you guys

48:18 Speaker 6: ever run into a situation where you work with somebody

48:19 Speaker 6: who maybe.

48:20 Speaker 7: Just doesn't absolutely yea, yep, yeah, I guess for you know,

48:29 Speaker 7: not too many, fortunately, but I would say we've had

48:32 Speaker 7: we've had one release that didn't work out, and in total,

48:36 Speaker 7: we've maybe worked with three artists that it just wasn't

48:40 Speaker 7: the right kind of relationship yea. But fortunately, we only

48:45 Speaker 7: ever really were in one situation where an artists record

48:50 Speaker 7: came out and it just didn't really work out. And

48:52 Speaker 7: uh yeah, you know, like those things are tough in

48:56 Speaker 7: the moment, and for us being so early in the label,

49:00 Speaker 7: I think it definitely felt like, ah, like what did

49:04 Speaker 7: we do wrong? Like what you know? But as time

49:07 Speaker 7: went on, like we realized like we did the best

49:09 Speaker 7: we could yea, and it just like everything's not going

49:13 Speaker 7: to always work out. And I like to say that

49:17 Speaker 7: hell Hound is for anyone, but Hellhound isn't for everyone, right,

49:22 Speaker 7: you know, Like we are so open to what kind

49:26 Speaker 7: of music, what kind of art, the kind of people

49:28 Speaker 7: we work with, Like we really just we have a

49:31 Speaker 7: wide scope and a love of art, but we also

49:35 Speaker 7: have a certain framework within which we like to do things,

49:38 Speaker 7: and we have a certain aesthetic and a certain rawness

49:40 Speaker 7: and vulnerability and honesty and work ethic and that's not

49:45 Speaker 7: for everybody, and so it's not you know, goes back

49:47 Speaker 7: to like what I was saying earlier, is like we

49:49 Speaker 7: can't hold other artists to the way that we do things.

49:53 Speaker 7: We do what works best for us. And if there's

49:56 Speaker 7: other people that we love their art, we just have

49:58 Speaker 7: to kind of act to meet to what's going to

50:01 Speaker 7: work for them to be the most genuine.

50:03 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly not. And you could tell, you could

50:07 Speaker 5: tell when.

50:09 Speaker 9: You know, the passions not fully there right as well,

50:13 Speaker 9: you know, and it kind of sucks the air out

50:14 Speaker 9: of the room. So yeah, you kind of learn real

50:18 Speaker 9: quick when you get into a couple of sessions with somebody,

50:23 Speaker 9: you know, kind of the first or second day, we're like,

50:27 Speaker 9: it's either going to be way too much work in

50:30 Speaker 9: us pushing, right, and if they're not in that creative

50:34 Speaker 9: space or if they're you know, not fully committed, then

50:38 Speaker 9: it's I'm we're not going to push you to like

50:42 Speaker 9: get there, like you got to have that, like it's

50:45 Speaker 9: just an artist in general or musician or whatever, like, yeah,

50:48 Speaker 9: you got to have the passion or else it's not

50:50 Speaker 9: gonna work.

50:50 Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, exactly. We have time. You guys want to

50:54 Speaker 6: play one more or star right.

50:59 Speaker 5: The last one?

51:00 Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess we should.

51:01 Speaker 4: So.

51:01 Speaker 7: This is the title track from Giant Steps in Gates City,

51:04 Speaker 7: which is affectionately called Giant Steps.

51:07 Speaker 6: Okay, Cody Pope and Byron g.

51:21 Speaker 7: My lace is tight enough for all my giant steps.

51:24 Speaker 7: Now easy get every day to wait say I'm the best.

51:27 Speaker 7: Now life be like some big beautiful breasts now over

51:31 Speaker 7: a windy day when all the sun dresses out. Even

51:34 Speaker 7: when stressed out, stop and taking nothing ahead of this

51:38 Speaker 7: life and understand why you love it it. No one

51:41 Speaker 7: can do what you do. That's why the gluff won't fit.

51:44 Speaker 7: Keep working hard towards your dreams. You'll make so much

51:47 Speaker 7: of it. These maverick thns take training more than saying words.

51:51 Speaker 7: Sometimes you're on the path alone that's evading herds.

51:54 Speaker 8: You lucky.

51:55 Speaker 7: If your lifeline it's exchanging verbs. There was a time

51:58 Speaker 7: in my life I was exchange and hurt. Went from

52:01 Speaker 7: thinking not be dead before the age of thirty to

52:04 Speaker 7: making it with words and trying not to be too

52:07 Speaker 7: worthy for every step back something to look forward to.

52:10 Speaker 7: You've been working. Soon enough you'll be soreing too. These

52:14 Speaker 7: giant steps come by learning how to box first LIFs

52:17 Speaker 7: to fight. You might want to learn how to box first.

52:20 Speaker 7: Progress means getting up when you beat down, dedicated to

52:25 Speaker 7: the baby's born beating down. These giant steps come by

52:28 Speaker 7: learning how to walk first LIFs to fight, You might

52:31 Speaker 7: want to learn how to box first. Progress means getting

52:35 Speaker 7: up when you beat down, dedicated to the baby's born.

52:40 Speaker 7: I meat clowns all the time. Most of them fade away.

52:43 Speaker 7: Not enough battery for all the games they play. Learn

52:47 Speaker 7: how to center stop, step on your own side. Don't

52:50 Speaker 7: let these cat with this people lead up your own time.

52:53 Speaker 7: You know you best, so find a pass of the rest.

52:57 Speaker 7: Understand it takes time. Try your by Riskin test, had

53:00 Speaker 7: many people tell me I was two heads strong. But

53:03 Speaker 7: when I do this, all those people will be dead.

53:06 Speaker 7: Wrong people not wrong for offering ways to make the day,

53:10 Speaker 7: but everyone God preferences how to make the stake. There

53:13 Speaker 7: will be times when you know you got to walk alone.

53:16 Speaker 7: Let the power of your actions be the message shown.

53:19 Speaker 7: Plenty of your thrones. Don't worry about what the kings say.

53:23 Speaker 7: You play lifelike shredding guitar like in way. How much

53:26 Speaker 7: can you do before the end credits play? All depends

53:30 Speaker 7: on how much you let get in the way. These

53:33 Speaker 7: giant steps come by learning how to walk first life

53:36 Speaker 7: to fight, you might want to learn how to box first.

53:39 Speaker 7: Progress means getting up when you beat damn. Dedicated to

53:44 Speaker 7: the babies born feet Dawn. These giant steps come by

53:47 Speaker 7: learning how to walk first life to fight, you might

53:50 Speaker 7: want to learn how to box first progress means getting

53:54 Speaker 7: up when you beat damn.

53:56 Speaker 1: Dedicated to the babies born feet damn.

53:59 Speaker 6: Pre Well done, guys, Thank you man, well done.

54:09 Speaker 7: Well, Thank you for having us.

54:10 Speaker 6: Cody Pope and Byron g here with us live in studio.

54:13 Speaker 6: What should our listeners know about? Where to find you

54:15 Speaker 6: guys online to keep up with everything that you're doing.

54:18 Speaker 7: So everything in our universe can always be found at

54:21 Speaker 7: Hellhound Publishing dot com. We're really active on YouTube right now.

54:26 Speaker 7: So we have a Hellhound Publishing YouTube channel. We would

54:29 Speaker 7: love for people to go over there and hit the

54:31 Speaker 7: all subscribe button. We're putting out music, we're putting out

54:35 Speaker 7: behind the scenes videos. We had our documentary. It's going

54:38 Speaker 7: to be out Monday.

54:38 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I'm very very curious to see that, thank you.

54:41 Speaker 7: Yeah. So it's my first like big video editing project.

54:44 Speaker 7: It's like a forty minute documentary just about our whole journey.

54:48 Speaker 5: Cool.

54:49 Speaker 9: I saw it yesterday for the first time. Really yeah,

54:51 Speaker 9: blown away? Yeah, oh very cool.

54:53 Speaker 6: Yeah.

54:53 Speaker 7: So yeah, everything Hellhound Publishing dot com, Hellhound Publishing on YouTube.

54:58 Speaker 7: If you're on social media, I'm at Cody Pope hc

55:02 Speaker 7: across everything. He's at BG six ZH three across everything,

55:06 Speaker 7: and at hell Hound Publishing of course too. But hell

55:10 Speaker 7: Hound till we're underground, all right.

55:12 Speaker 6: I love it.

55:13 Speaker 5: I love it.

55:14 Speaker 6: Anything we didn't talk about that, you want to make

55:16 Speaker 6: sure our listeners know about anything we didn't mention you

55:18 Speaker 6: guys always got a going on. I make sure we

55:21 Speaker 6: didn't leave anything out.

55:22 Speaker 7: No, So we're, like we mentioned earlier, we're in. This

55:25 Speaker 7: is our kind of weekend wrap up for us. This

55:27 Speaker 7: was the first thing we have going on, so thank

55:29 Speaker 7: you so much for having us. Yeah, tomorrow night, Sunday,

55:32 Speaker 7: we're going to be at the shaf Skiine for Rap Night.

55:34 Speaker 7: It's gonna be our last show of the year, kind

55:36 Speaker 7: of a holiday wrap up show. And then Monday is

55:38 Speaker 7: the premiere of the documentary. And other than that, I

55:42 Speaker 7: would just say that our new album, Giant Steps in

55:44 Speaker 7: Gate City is available anywhere that you listen to music,

55:48 Speaker 7: please take an opportunity to listen to it. That's all

55:51 Speaker 7: we could ask is for people to just take the

55:53 Speaker 7: time to listen to it. It's eighteen songs and if

55:56 Speaker 7: you don't like it, hopefully you'll have a better day after.

56:02 Speaker 7: I think you will.

56:05 Speaker 6: Very good, Very good guys, Thank you so much, and

56:08 Speaker 6: thank you everyone who joined us today. Of course we

56:09 Speaker 6: had Neon Gipsy in the first hour, second hour, we

56:11 Speaker 6: had the healer Mike McDowell. After the show, I'm going

56:14 Speaker 6: to be headed over to the Manchester Masonic Temple for

56:18 Speaker 6: the holiday market and psychic event being put on by

56:21 Speaker 6: our wonderful friends at the Sister Witch Company, and that

56:24 Speaker 6: goes to five pm. Jenny is already there getting set up,

56:28 Speaker 6: or she's probably all set up by now and please

56:31 Speaker 6: come see us shop local. It is so very important

56:35 Speaker 6: And if you missed any part of today's show, it'll

56:37 Speaker 6: be up in just a little bit at wmnhradio dot

56:39 Speaker 6: org and my website Matt Connorton dot com and Cody

56:43 Speaker 6: Pope and Byron g Thank you guys again so much.

56:45 Speaker 5: Thanks for having us.

56:46 Speaker 6: Thank you so much, absolutely, and Merry Christmas everybody. If

56:49 Speaker 6: anyone's wondering, yes, we will be here next week, we are.

56:53 Speaker 6: We're just gonna keep going right through the holidays, so

56:55 Speaker 6: we will see you next Saturday, and we'll close out

56:58 Speaker 6: with We'll end today the way we started with the

57:01 Speaker 6: new from Kendra Erica, her rendition of it's beginning to

57:05 Speaker 6: look a lot like Christmas, which I suppose is appropriate

57:08 Speaker 6: locally here in Manchester because we have some snow that

57:10 Speaker 6: actually stuck more like ice. But whatever, but a couple

57:16 Speaker 6: of times today, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's not not

57:19 Speaker 6: great like it was, just it was just enough snow

57:22 Speaker 6: to be a nuisance. But uh yeah, we'll wrap up

57:25 Speaker 6: with this and uh that's it for me for now.

57:26 Speaker 6: We'll talk to you a little bit later, everybody.

57:56 Speaker 8: It's beginning to look like Chris smile.

58:02 Speaker 1: Everywhere you go. Take a look at the five and ten.

58:09 Speaker 8: It's glistening once again with candy hans and silver lanes.

58:14 Speaker 1: They're globe It's beginning to look alive like Christmas.

58:23 Speaker 8: Tis on every store, But the prettiest sign to see

58:30 Speaker 8: is the holly than the move on your own road.

58:58 Speaker 1: It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas.

59:04 Speaker 3: Everywhere you go.

59:08 Speaker 8: There's a tree in the Grand Hotel, one in the

59:11 Speaker 8: park as well.

59:13 Speaker 1: It's a curdy kind that doesn't mind the snow. It's

59:18 Speaker 1: beginning to look alive like Christmas.

59:24 Speaker 8: So the bells will start, and the thing that'll make

59:30 Speaker 8: them ring.

59:31 Speaker 1: Is the Carol Bet your son right, the thing your home.

59:38 Speaker 1: It's beginning to look alive like Christmas. Ties A Lorystal