Matt Connarton Unleashed 12-6-25 hour 1

0:00 Speaker 1: You remember.

0:04 Speaker 2: When you were a king looking out the window sea

0:09 Speaker 2: in the first snowfall in December, running out the front door,

0:17 Speaker 2: racing to catch it on your tongue, but you forgot

0:22 Speaker 2: your jacket because he was so excited.

0:28 Speaker 3: And nothing mattered more than making angels in the snow. Baby,

0:33 Speaker 3: that's ah pure like that boys, fall of snow.

0:49 Speaker 4: Covering everything weindle up season out of season, and it

0:57 Speaker 4: navigates all this time.

1:00 Speaker 1: Leader and ast running toward your the hails a cover

1:18 Speaker 1: and go into the lake. I'm racing to the mountain

1:22 Speaker 1: top with you for that first time.

1:28 Speaker 5: That I can only fight, soaring down the slopes of

1:33 Speaker 5: being in love with you here, Baby, that's a love.

1:42 Speaker 6: That left.

1:47 Speaker 1: You like that forest fall of.

1:50 Speaker 4: Snow covering everything we do.

1:57 Speaker 7: As that have to see?

2:00 Speaker 1: Is that indelegator? Oh this time later and s run

2:08 Speaker 1: in Tonio, Run in Tonio. Maybe what the changing series els.

2:26 Speaker 3: Whatever mountains are standing in avenue.

2:33 Speaker 4: I know we keep gliding off the day, coming back

2:39 Speaker 4: to do it all.

2:40 Speaker 8: Like cacause they need that.

2:52 Speaker 1: That behind that forests.

3:02 Speaker 4: Covering everything we tell.

3:07 Speaker 1: We don't have to see a king? Can a get old?

3:13 Speaker 1: All this time? Lad away and unstay it'll be the

3:19 Speaker 1: read away in.

3:20 Speaker 5: Ust be running Tonio, running Tonio.

3:33 Speaker 9: Cause Baby, good morning, everybody, Welcome, here we go.

4:14 Speaker 10: It is that time again, Matt Connorton Unleashed and we

4:18 Speaker 10: are live from the studios of WMNH ninety five point

4:22 Speaker 10: three FM in glorious Manchester, New Hampshire.

4:25 Speaker 9: Of course, you can stream the show from anywhere.

4:27 Speaker 10: Go to Matt connorton dot com slash live for all

4:30 Speaker 10: your live streaming options, social media links, contact infos, show archives,

4:34 Speaker 10: et cetera, et cetera. For those of you listening live,

4:37 Speaker 10: today is Saturday, December sixth, twenty twenty five, so good

4:41 Speaker 10: to have you with us on this very snowy morning

4:44 Speaker 10: here in Manchester, Newmpshire. I did not expect to wake

4:46 Speaker 10: up to more snow. It snowed obviously a couple of

4:48 Speaker 10: days ago here, but this morning it was snowing again.

4:52 Speaker 10: I was like, oh, wonderful, and the roads were a

4:54 Speaker 10: little slick coming in. They might be better now, I

4:56 Speaker 10: don't know. I mean that was about an hour I

4:58 Speaker 10: get here, about an hour before the show goes live.

5:00 Speaker 10: So if you are listening in your car, please be

5:03 Speaker 10: careful driving out there. Definitely a little slippery coming in,

5:06 Speaker 10: but welcome everybody. Of course, we have an exciting show

5:09 Speaker 10: for you today. The opening track, by the way, that

5:11 Speaker 10: was the brand new single from Katie Dobbins. It's called

5:15 Speaker 10: Our Love Is Like Snow, so very appropriate of course

5:18 Speaker 10: given the weather. So always wonderful to hear a new

5:21 Speaker 10: song from Katie Dobbins. She's been on the show many

5:23 Speaker 10: times and I'm sure we'll have her back on again soon.

5:25 Speaker 10: But she sent us that track and it's just wonderful.

5:29 Speaker 10: She has a beautiful voice. By the way, my dad,

5:32 Speaker 10: Hello to my father if he is listening. He's a

5:34 Speaker 10: big Katie Dobbins fan. Just so happens. But he's also

5:38 Speaker 10: recovering from surgery at Mass General. So Dad, if you're listening,

5:41 Speaker 10: I love you. I wish you a speedy recovery. I'm

5:44 Speaker 10: glad that you've got a path forward with what you've

5:46 Speaker 10: been dealing with. So but yeah, so but I do

5:50 Speaker 10: love the new song, of course, and we'll probably play

5:52 Speaker 10: it again later in the show if you missed it

5:54 Speaker 10: in the second or perhaps even in the third hour

5:56 Speaker 10: today on Matt Connorton Unleashed.

5:59 Speaker 9: And we're going to play We're gonna start with this track.

6:05 Speaker 10: As we move into the interview portion of the show,

6:08 Speaker 10: here brand new track from the Fods called I Get

6:12 Speaker 10: Blamed or I don't know if it's brand new, but

6:14 Speaker 10: it's pretty new. We really love this project around here,

6:18 Speaker 10: the Fods, and we had Rob Critchley from the Fods

6:21 Speaker 10: on with us. I don't know who's a couple months ago.

6:23 Speaker 10: It all becomes a blur, but we had such a

6:26 Speaker 10: fascinating conversation. And but we had a very compressed amount

6:30 Speaker 10: of time to work with when we had Rob on

6:32 Speaker 10: the first time, so you know, we told him. I

6:35 Speaker 10: had Jenny reach out to him right away and say,

6:37 Speaker 10: we got to get you back on and you've got

6:39 Speaker 10: you know, they're constantly making more music anyway, so let's

6:42 Speaker 10: get you back on soon. I want to talk to

6:44 Speaker 10: you some more because it's such an interesting project and

6:47 Speaker 10: the way that they approach it and their methodology in

6:49 Speaker 10: terms of writing and recording and releasing music.

6:52 Speaker 9: So I just heard from Rob a few minutes ago.

6:54 Speaker 9: He's waiting for our call.

6:55 Speaker 10: So I told him we're gonna go ahead and hit

6:57 Speaker 10: this track I Get Blamed, another great track from the Fods.

7:01 Speaker 10: And then when we come back out of the song,

7:04 Speaker 10: we will have a rob on with us via WhatsApp.

7:06 Speaker 10: So check this out. This is called I get blamed

7:10 Speaker 10: and the band is the Fodds.

7:13 Speaker 1: I get blamed for all aten shine.

7:18 Speaker 9: I get blamed for going out, said man.

7:24 Speaker 1: I get blamed when it said show.

7:30 Speaker 9: And get played for being rise.

7:53 Speaker 8: Laughing Donna Delia's ride laughing.

7:57 Speaker 7: Try life shine, you got about you is right?

8:02 Speaker 1: So for now, just day quiet, I'll put you to something.

8:06 Speaker 11: Try to make my life that I've bet you struggle

8:08 Speaker 11: to think of nothing that I'd actually like.

8:22 Speaker 12: Nothing gotta say you here. Nothing in my head.

8:27 Speaker 8: Is clear, nothing that's vulnerable. So for now a fair

8:34 Speaker 8: hanging on.

8:34 Speaker 9: Your very well, waiting for your luck to tell. What

8:37 Speaker 9: is something from your heart or we can't talk about.

8:40 Speaker 8: I get blame for all the sunshine, yet blame for

8:47 Speaker 8: going out and.

8:51 Speaker 1: Again plaid.

8:53 Speaker 8: Sad show, and get blame for me nothing that's yours,

9:16 Speaker 8: he's my nothing. Got a genuy, not things like you

9:22 Speaker 8: want that first play and on my aunty beast. Got

9:26 Speaker 8: your see all I did, you got.

9:28 Speaker 13: Your see you?

9:28 Speaker 12: What's it go?

9:29 Speaker 9: It's all I can do for you to make sure

9:31 Speaker 9: he's not all.

9:33 Speaker 1: I get blamed for all the same shine.

9:37 Speaker 14: I get blamed. I go outside line, I get played Winwood.

9:46 Speaker 3: Show and I get played for me.

10:00 Speaker 8: I can't play side show, I can't playing don't go

10:26 Speaker 8: all time, I can't play.

10:32 Speaker 14: Sign show, and I.

10:37 Speaker 15: Gat play for big.

10:43 Speaker 10: Don't battle on the drum.

10:47 Speaker 12: It. So it's like.

10:53 Speaker 16: I get play at.

10:56 Speaker 1: Anyway, don't see.

11:11 Speaker 9: I love it. That is called I get blamed.

11:14 Speaker 10: The band is the Fodds and we've got Rob Critchley

11:18 Speaker 10: on the line via WhatsApp.

11:19 Speaker 9: Rob, are you there?

11:21 Speaker 12: I'm here, Matt, can you hear me?

11:23 Speaker 9: I can, Yes, Welcome back to the show. It's great

11:26 Speaker 9: to back.

11:28 Speaker 12: So much for having me.

11:29 Speaker 10: Absolutely. I love that track and you had sent that

11:32 Speaker 10: one to us specifically for today.

11:33 Speaker 9: So is that now?

11:34 Speaker 10: I know that's not the but it's not quite the

11:37 Speaker 10: newest single, right because I think you've had a couple

11:38 Speaker 10: since then, correct.

11:40 Speaker 12: But we've been on a bit of a role. Yeah,

11:43 Speaker 12: it's been, as a sort of spoke about last time,

11:48 Speaker 12: like finding people to actually sing for us is one

11:52 Speaker 12: of our biggest challenges. Yeah, and as we've put more

11:55 Speaker 12: music out, people have heard it and as we've approached

11:58 Speaker 12: them a bit more willing to engage with us. So

12:03 Speaker 12: we say, so those guys headphones Jack's I heard about

12:09 Speaker 12: them a long time ago and I just reached out

12:13 Speaker 12: to them and they were like, this is a cool tune, like,

12:16 Speaker 12: but it took us, you know, a good sort of

12:19 Speaker 12: six months to put it down and get everything ready,

12:23 Speaker 12: and they're they're visit, they're gigging, and they've got their

12:25 Speaker 12: own stuff to do. So we you know, you've got

12:29 Speaker 12: to fit fit all these things in around life. So

12:32 Speaker 12: while we're doing I get blamed. We're also doing like

12:36 Speaker 12: two or three others. So we found ourselves in a

12:39 Speaker 12: situation where we had like, you know, I think four

12:44 Speaker 12: pretty much completed songs, and we were like, we don't

12:47 Speaker 12: know what to do with this, you know, like how

12:49 Speaker 12: do how do we even like process it? So we thought, right,

12:53 Speaker 12: let's just you know, when they're done, we'll release and

12:57 Speaker 12: we'll give each one a month and move on to

13:00 Speaker 12: the next one. And it's turned out to be quite

13:02 Speaker 12: it's turned out to be quite a good process because

13:05 Speaker 12: you sort of not that we're massively relevant, but you

13:08 Speaker 12: stay like, you know, producing things, and things keep hitting

13:13 Speaker 12: you know, the outside world, and you know, it builds

13:16 Speaker 12: a little bit of momentum behind it and it's worked

13:19 Speaker 12: out really well for us. So we've got songs up

13:23 Speaker 12: to January. We're going to have a release on nineteenth

13:28 Speaker 12: of December, and also I think it's the twenty second

13:31 Speaker 12: of January. Okay, we've got and then we've got nothing else.

13:35 Speaker 12: So February we're like, okay, we need to write something

13:41 Speaker 12: or we need to like we've got you know, three

13:43 Speaker 12: or three or four other songs, right, it works, but

13:46 Speaker 12: they're not really very mature, you know. Like we've got

13:50 Speaker 12: one out to one singer and he's done something with

13:53 Speaker 12: it and you know it's gotten okay, but like it

13:55 Speaker 12: needs a lot of work, and we've got another one

13:57 Speaker 12: and out to another. We've got a band in New

14:01 Speaker 12: Zealand of all places, looking at one and obviously there's

14:05 Speaker 12: a time difference. You've got a factor in and yeah,

14:09 Speaker 12: you know, and we sent it to them and do

14:12 Speaker 12: it light right, we'll have a look. I know, it's

14:13 Speaker 12: only a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, and I checked

14:17 Speaker 12: in and they were like nothing yet, okay, all right,

14:22 Speaker 12: And it's coming up to Christmas and people get busy,

14:24 Speaker 12: and of course I don't think we'll have anything back

14:28 Speaker 12: from people until January and then like, okay, so the

14:33 Speaker 12: timelines like sort of change a little bit and you're

14:35 Speaker 12: sort of going through all this in your head. Yeah,

14:37 Speaker 12: you really want to put something else out because everything,

14:41 Speaker 12: everything that we've done, like you're getting a little bit

14:44 Speaker 12: of a role and you're saying, Okay, this is this

14:46 Speaker 12: is you know, the way, a good way of releasing

14:50 Speaker 12: things and a good way of you know, the way

14:53 Speaker 12: a band should work.

14:54 Speaker 10: Yeah, I kind I kind of chuckled because I remember

14:56 Speaker 10: when we had you on the first time, you were

14:58 Speaker 10: talking about how there was you had one in since

15:00 Speaker 10: where you would send somebody, you would send a vocalist

15:02 Speaker 10: a song to work on, and like six months went

15:05 Speaker 10: by and they still hadn't gotten back to what they

15:09 Speaker 10: had done, and you finally had to move on. And

15:11 Speaker 10: from what I recall, I don't remember what song it was,

15:13 Speaker 10: but from what I remember you saying, it all worked

15:15 Speaker 10: out for the best because then you found another vocalist

15:17 Speaker 10: who just did a fantastic job on it, and the

15:19 Speaker 10: song came out better than you imagined it anyway. But

15:22 Speaker 10: so it kind of all worked out. But it can

15:24 Speaker 10: be frustrating when you're depending on other people to, you know,

15:27 Speaker 10: to do their part and then get back to you.

15:29 Speaker 12: Right, yeah, that's the one that's going to be released

15:32 Speaker 12: in January. Oh okay, So we found someone who was

15:38 Speaker 12: like really receptive to it and he really wanted to

15:40 Speaker 12: get involved and he wanted to do some music on it,

15:43 Speaker 12: and you know, we went back and forth and he said,

15:46 Speaker 12: let me try something like this, and he's doing quite

15:49 Speaker 12: a lot of the work, which is brilliant. Oh you know,

15:51 Speaker 12: that's you want people to be engaged with it, and

15:56 Speaker 12: it works out so much, so much better. When people

15:58 Speaker 12: are coming back and forth, we really like, we like

16:01 Speaker 12: them to go, can we try this instead of this? Right? Yeah, yeah,

16:07 Speaker 12: let's let's say because that's what our collaboration should be,

16:13 Speaker 12: just sending a song out and words coming back and

16:15 Speaker 12: we go, okay, we'll use those words. Yeah.

16:18 Speaker 10: So would you so yeah, would you say this is

16:20 Speaker 10: would you say this has been your busiest period with

16:23 Speaker 10: the thoughts?

16:24 Speaker 12: Oh for sure, Yeah, for sure. We don't really know

16:28 Speaker 12: anything different, to be honest, because like we're still such

16:33 Speaker 12: I say, we're an immature band, like we've we did

16:36 Speaker 12: the Don't Argue projects and that was just was like

16:39 Speaker 12: regurgitating stuff that we did like twenty five years ago. Sure,

16:43 Speaker 12: we still had to we still had to find people

16:46 Speaker 12: to do that, and that's that's what took the time, right.

16:49 Speaker 12: And then then when we released Shopping and the ineffectual

16:53 Speaker 12: Shopping was an old song. We yeah, all old band

16:59 Speaker 12: didn't want to use so it got released in the

17:03 Speaker 12: two thousands, so late nineties, and when when All wanted

17:10 Speaker 12: to re record other things from that period, like heose

17:15 Speaker 12: he was with a different band and they put out

17:18 Speaker 12: a remote album John Covid, and Shopping didn't make that

17:24 Speaker 12: cut for whatever reason, and so he says, right, let's

17:27 Speaker 12: do it. Let's put a Fox take on it. And

17:29 Speaker 12: we did that. So the song was already there. We

17:31 Speaker 12: just like found a a vocalist, Laura, who did an

17:38 Speaker 12: amazing job. Like I tweaked the words a little bit,

17:41 Speaker 12: he bumped up the music a little bit, and then

17:44 Speaker 12: that was that and then the ineffectuals It was just

17:48 Speaker 12: like so quick because he put the music down and

17:54 Speaker 12: it started off with his words and that's basically all

17:58 Speaker 12: his stuff, so there was really nothing for me to do.

18:00 Speaker 12: And he was like, I don't like this. I don't

18:02 Speaker 12: like these words. Will you change them? So I changed

18:06 Speaker 12: them as we went along. So I was writing as

18:10 Speaker 12: Joe was going back, and Joe would like, you know,

18:12 Speaker 12: sender take it, and I go, his vocals are always amazing,

18:17 Speaker 12: and I go, like, a, stuff's terrible. So we needed to, like,

18:22 Speaker 12: you know, make it better to fit his vocals as

18:25 Speaker 12: we went along. So and Joe just turn things around

18:28 Speaker 12: in a couple of days, like he was incredible to

18:30 Speaker 12: work with. So me and Or were like, we've got

18:34 Speaker 12: to match this. So we had to really really level

18:38 Speaker 12: up our game. And so the willards sort of came out.

18:41 Speaker 12: They don't they don't really mean anything, just like it's

18:45 Speaker 12: one of those things where you can say, oh, he's

18:47 Speaker 12: talking about it, so he's talking about that. I'm not

18:49 Speaker 12: really I'm trying to fit something in together in quite

18:53 Speaker 12: a short amount of time and if it comes out,

18:56 Speaker 12: if it comes out to some someone thinks, so this,

18:58 Speaker 12: this is what he's talking about. That's brilliant. That's that's

19:01 Speaker 12: how I want it. I want it to be interpreted

19:03 Speaker 12: how you want to interpret right, right, just just like

19:09 Speaker 12: good words, and that's how I try and write my

19:12 Speaker 12: words anyway, like stuff that sounds like it belongs together.

19:19 Speaker 12: So so after the ineffectuals were done, we had, like

19:25 Speaker 12: I've got you know, it's basically poetry. So you write

19:28 Speaker 12: poetry and then see what happens. See if there's a

19:33 Speaker 12: a lyric or some sort of guitar or you know,

19:39 Speaker 12: some sort of beat which goes with those lyrics, with

19:42 Speaker 12: those pugems.

19:44 Speaker 3: So these are.

19:47 Speaker 10: I'm sorry, so just to clarify too for a listener.

19:50 Speaker 10: So so these all start with you, like you said,

19:54 Speaker 10: you're you're you're coming up with the words, and that's

19:56 Speaker 10: that's where all of these begin. Right, That's that's like

19:59 Speaker 10: the that's like the one thing that everything that the

20:01 Speaker 10: Fodds does as a collective, that's the one thing that

20:04 Speaker 10: that is the through line.

20:05 Speaker 12: Right, Yeah, it's it's my it will always be my words. Yeah,

20:12 Speaker 12: and in my head. You can try and put them

20:14 Speaker 12: to a beat or a tempo or a and then

20:20 Speaker 12: I put them in like a shared folder. Yeah, and

20:24 Speaker 12: I'll have a look at them and he'll go, oh,

20:27 Speaker 12: I've got this. I've got this line that I wrote

20:29 Speaker 12: on the guitar. See if you can put anything together

20:33 Speaker 12: or what he's doing at the moment with one. Because

20:36 Speaker 12: I've said I've got these lyrics, he says, I've got

20:38 Speaker 12: something in my head. I'm going to try and you know,

20:42 Speaker 12: flesh that out and use these lyrics for it. So

20:45 Speaker 12: they're always a little bit you know, individual, there always

20:48 Speaker 12: a little bit different, but it's basically him and I

20:53 Speaker 12: like trying to balance what each of us has come

20:57 Speaker 12: up with.

20:58 Speaker 1: Right.

21:00 Speaker 10: We should talk a little bit too about how this

21:02 Speaker 10: all works, because for for listeners, especially people listening to

21:06 Speaker 10: the show who maybe didn't hear our previous conversation I

21:09 Speaker 10: think I had said to you. To me, it seems

21:11 Speaker 10: like like the Fods, it's not so much a band,

21:14 Speaker 10: it's a collective, right, because you work with all these

21:17 Speaker 10: different people. So someone who doesn't know that might be

21:20 Speaker 10: confused about Wait a minute. You know, you're sending tracks

21:23 Speaker 10: to this person and waiting for them to get back

21:25 Speaker 10: to you with this, and you've got this other person

21:26 Speaker 10: you're you're working with, So this is I mean, and

21:29 Speaker 10: it's it's worked this way for a while, right, Like

21:31 Speaker 10: you you essentially you work with a lot of different

21:34 Speaker 10: different people. I mean obviously some of the same people too, right,

21:37 Speaker 10: But but but you work with with a lot of

21:40 Speaker 10: people on these tracks, they all start the same way, right,

21:43 Speaker 10: they all start with your.

21:44 Speaker 9: Lyrics, But what happens after that.

21:47 Speaker 10: Each each song kind of kind of has its own

21:50 Speaker 10: its own path, shall we say.

21:52 Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, each one has its own life. Yeah,

21:56 Speaker 12: And that sort of depends on who we choose to

22:01 Speaker 12: to get involved with because everyone works differently. So some people,

22:08 Speaker 12: you know, like to spend the time and take a

22:11 Speaker 12: bit of effort and you know, work work with it

22:15 Speaker 12: how they want to work with it. And some people

22:19 Speaker 12: just want to bang it out and do what they

22:22 Speaker 12: think is right and move on to the next thing.

22:24 Speaker 12: So everyone works differently, So we don't really know if

22:28 Speaker 12: we will send it out to a vocalist and we

22:32 Speaker 12: don't really know what they're going to send back, right,

22:35 Speaker 12: And that that that's half the joy of it, to

22:38 Speaker 12: be honest. Like, there's a there's a song on They

22:42 Speaker 12: Don't Argue EP. It's called Volumes of Silence, and I

22:45 Speaker 12: love it. I think it's a really good song. And

22:48 Speaker 12: we did that, wrote those songs like when we were

22:52 Speaker 12: teenagers at school and I don't I don't really I

22:57 Speaker 12: was out of the music for twenty odd years. I

23:00 Speaker 12: don't really remember writing that song. I don't really remember

23:02 Speaker 12: how it sounded when we put it together in twenty

23:06 Speaker 12: twenty four when we were doing the Don't Argue p

23:12 Speaker 12: I was like to well, I was like, I know

23:15 Speaker 12: this is a good song, but I don't really remember

23:17 Speaker 12: how I mean. He played it and we were like okay,

23:20 Speaker 12: and we built it and we had it good enough

23:23 Speaker 12: to send out to a vocalist. Yeah, we found this

23:27 Speaker 12: guy from the band j h hm, it's called Jeff.

23:32 Speaker 12: He had this like if you sort of think back

23:36 Speaker 12: to you know, I'm from originally from Manchester in the UK,

23:40 Speaker 12: and he had that sort of you know Ian Brown

23:44 Speaker 12: James sort of vibe, you know, like he he sounded

23:48 Speaker 12: like he could have been from that era. We're like, okay,

23:52 Speaker 12: we'll try him. And he came back and he did

23:55 Speaker 12: it so differently than what we thought he would do

23:58 Speaker 12: it really, and we were like, it's amazing, it's brilliant.

24:04 Speaker 12: It's different. That's it's like the whole process. That's like

24:08 Speaker 12: the whole thing. And there's been a couple that come

24:10 Speaker 12: back and go like, what do we do this? It's

24:14 Speaker 12: really it's really not what we wanted. And I really

24:17 Speaker 12: like they've done it in the wrong key or done

24:19 Speaker 12: it like so we have to then make that decision

24:23 Speaker 12: do you do you go back and talk to them

24:25 Speaker 12: and say, right, we know you, we gave you a

24:27 Speaker 12: bit of a free reign here, but we don't also

24:30 Speaker 12: like you to change this a little bit and change

24:33 Speaker 12: this a little bit and building to building that way.

24:38 Speaker 12: And most people are quite they're open to that. They

24:42 Speaker 12: don't mind being told what to do. What was there

24:46 Speaker 12: was one guy is like, I think it should be

24:48 Speaker 12: done like this, probably, don't. You know, You've you've got

24:53 Speaker 12: to be quite diplomatic, and you've got to be quite

24:56 Speaker 12: you know, sensitive to other artists feelings as well, because

24:59 Speaker 12: they they're putting their time, they're putting their time and

25:02 Speaker 12: their energy and not pain. You know, they're not getting

25:05 Speaker 12: any you know, not giving them a thousand dollars every

25:08 Speaker 12: time they some lyrics for us. So it's always a

25:14 Speaker 12: fine balance. And we've got to be happy and they've

25:16 Speaker 12: got to be happy. And like we as we've gone

25:18 Speaker 12: out to artists, we we've sort of made that clear

25:22 Speaker 12: in the in the stuff that we send out to them.

25:26 Speaker 12: We stay right, we'd love you to do this, but

25:29 Speaker 12: if you're not happy, if we're not happy, you know,

25:32 Speaker 12: we you know, we can shake hands and walk away

25:35 Speaker 12: from it. And we've got because now we've got like

25:38 Speaker 12: a little bit of you know, we're on our seven

25:44 Speaker 12: to eight song we're nearly up to you know, doing

25:46 Speaker 12: an album. Yeah, because we've got that behind us. Now

25:49 Speaker 12: we've got a bit more confidence and we've got and

25:51 Speaker 12: we we have the sort of ability to say to

25:54 Speaker 12: them it's it's I would say, not good enough, it's

25:59 Speaker 12: it needs to be different, it needs to go a

26:02 Speaker 12: different way. So it's exciting and these last we're up

26:08 Speaker 12: to seven songs that are complete and we want to

26:12 Speaker 12: put a ten song album out at the end, at

26:17 Speaker 12: the end of Q one, oh excellent. And it's been

26:21 Speaker 12: and it's been something that always wants to do. It's like,

26:27 Speaker 12: you know, it's it's really something that he's passionate about

26:30 Speaker 12: and say, right for him personally, putting an album out

26:34 Speaker 12: after you know, years and years of writing songs and music,

26:37 Speaker 12: it's going to it's going to be really something. I'm

26:41 Speaker 12: really hoping that it's going to be great for him.

26:44 Speaker 12: I just want to make sure that what we put out,

26:48 Speaker 12: you know, in the ten track format, however it's going

26:51 Speaker 12: to look like, is it's what he wants.

26:53 Speaker 10: So I would imagine I would imagine too that there

26:57 Speaker 10: must be a challenge inherent in that. I mean, you know,

27:01 Speaker 10: I know, it's you're not at the stage out of

27:03 Speaker 10: probably thinking about the order of the tracks or anything

27:05 Speaker 10: I would assume, but when you when you do get

27:08 Speaker 10: to that point, because because of the way this project works,

27:13 Speaker 10: and like I said, it's more of a collective than

27:14 Speaker 10: a band. So each song, you know, you've got different vocalists,

27:18 Speaker 10: you've got different you know, each song kind of really

27:20 Speaker 10: takes on its own character because when you're putting an

27:22 Speaker 10: album together, artists try to approach it like, Okay, there

27:26 Speaker 10: has to be you know, regardless of when or how

27:30 Speaker 10: these songs were written or how they were recorded, et cetera,

27:33 Speaker 10: there has to be some sort of cohesion that that

27:37 Speaker 10: kind of binds all these songs together. And I wonder,

27:41 Speaker 10: I mean, are you already thinking about the challenge of that.

27:43 Speaker 10: I mean, obviously there's a through line, right because they

27:45 Speaker 10: all start the same way. They all start with you

27:48 Speaker 10: and your words. So maybe that maybe that's the answer,

27:51 Speaker 10: Maybe that's the through line, But I don't know, I mean,

27:53 Speaker 10: are you are you already thinking about that?

27:56 Speaker 12: At this point we have and we still of throw

28:00 Speaker 12: it out there, and you know, when a when a

28:02 Speaker 12: song gets completed. So we've got like a seven track

28:07 Speaker 12: list at the moment and ours, the two VARs are

28:11 Speaker 12: very different. So what you're saying is that absolutely correct.

28:19 Speaker 12: We can't decide on what track to open with. We've

28:24 Speaker 12: we've pretty much decided what track to close with, and

28:27 Speaker 12: then there's you know, everything that goes on in the middle.

28:31 Speaker 12: And I think we'll probably only know this once the

28:36 Speaker 12: ten tracks have been finished. You know, Well we'll see.

28:42 Speaker 12: I know it's it can be an important thing. And

28:45 Speaker 12: we do want to do physical albums, you know, we

28:48 Speaker 12: we do want to you know, put this as an

28:51 Speaker 12: old fashioned LP, like five songs on one side, five

28:54 Speaker 12: songs on the other. So they've got to be logical

28:57 Speaker 12: from that perspective. Yeah, at the moment, you're absolutely right,

29:02 Speaker 12: they aren't logical. M I'm not saying I'm worried about it,

29:06 Speaker 12: like I'm going to get ten songs on an album

29:09 Speaker 12: and it's going to be we think going to be good.

29:14 Speaker 12: It is a challenge for us, it's it's it's an

29:16 Speaker 12: interesting challenge, the one that we've never had to face

29:21 Speaker 12: before because I don't argue projects. Was just like we

29:25 Speaker 12: know the order because that's the order that we used

29:27 Speaker 12: to play them live when we live every Yeah, so

29:32 Speaker 12: we knew Kickba was going to be in the middle.

29:34 Speaker 12: We're going to know that metal Dog is the opener,

29:37 Speaker 12: and so that's how we did it then because that's

29:40 Speaker 12: what made sense to us. Right this, you know, we've

29:43 Speaker 12: not played one one of these songs, like maybe that

29:47 Speaker 12: will change. I don't know, yeah, but it's it's something

29:52 Speaker 12: that we have thought about. And every time the song,

29:55 Speaker 12: even even if it doesn't complete, you can sort of

29:58 Speaker 12: see where it's going when it's like in in mid flow,

30:03 Speaker 12: we can we can slide this in between these two

30:05 Speaker 12: songs that that could make a difference. So when we

30:09 Speaker 12: get through this, he sends me, what's happen, He says,

30:12 Speaker 12: this is my seventh song order. Yeah, yeah, no, no,

30:19 Speaker 12: So it will be a conversation that we will have

30:24 Speaker 12: in probably February or March.

30:26 Speaker 10: Yeah, something too that I don't think we touched on

30:30 Speaker 10: this the last time when you were on the show

30:32 Speaker 10: before this, But I don't think we talked about distribution,

30:36 Speaker 10: because I'm curious now you don't you don't have the

30:38 Speaker 10: fonds is not on Spotify?

30:40 Speaker 9: Correct, We we were.

30:43 Speaker 12: Having problems with them okay. A few other artists have

30:49 Speaker 12: said the same thing to us. So we were on

30:52 Speaker 12: Spotify okay, and we're doing okay, And I don't know

30:56 Speaker 12: what caused it. I don't know if if you or

31:00 Speaker 12: anyone else out there has been through issues with Spotify,

31:04 Speaker 12: they don't really want to talk to you. They'll talk

31:06 Speaker 12: to your distribution, right, and the distribution will come and

31:10 Speaker 12: talk to us. And every month Spotify would not like

31:16 Speaker 12: what's in huge numbers like two thousand or fifteen hundred

31:19 Speaker 12: or two thousand streams, particularly the ineffectuals. Oh okay, and

31:28 Speaker 12: so you know, we we weren't doing anything with We

31:32 Speaker 12: just put it out there and let it and I

31:34 Speaker 12: was always sending links and sending stuff. But you know,

31:39 Speaker 12: we don't buy and downloads or anything like that. We

31:44 Speaker 12: we try and produce it organically or try and we

31:49 Speaker 12: try to. So after every month, you know, Spotify will

31:53 Speaker 12: go two thousand streams off gone, and we don't go distributing,

31:59 Speaker 12: and they'd say, or you're either getting on playlists that

32:04 Speaker 12: aren't you know, genuine, or the bot run or whatever.

32:09 Speaker 12: And so after six months of this, we were just like,

32:14 Speaker 12: it's just not worth it because you're fighting like a

32:18 Speaker 12: huge conglomerate. Oh yeah, there's there's nothing really could do.

32:23 Speaker 12: So there was just no real point. And when we

32:26 Speaker 12: left Spotify, the Ineffectuals had seven thousand streams. Whi's not

32:32 Speaker 12: bad in itself, It's okay. Yeah, our Spotify rapped came

32:38 Speaker 12: out even though we were off Spotify and I've not

32:40 Speaker 12: been on since since August. Yeah, yeah, they said, and

32:47 Speaker 12: our Spotify rapped, our biggest song of twenty twenty six

32:51 Speaker 12: was the Ineffectuals, which had been streamed thirty three thousand times. Really,

32:56 Speaker 12: so they right, So they have just you know, sort

33:01 Speaker 12: of admitted and I put a post on there and

33:03 Speaker 12: I was a bit angry and maybe, but as I said,

33:08 Speaker 12: like in your vanity parade, that is Spotify raps, you've

33:12 Speaker 12: admitted that we had thirty three thousand genuine streams, and

33:17 Speaker 12: that's what's in our Spotify rap. But when we came

33:20 Speaker 12: off your platform, you called every single month and it

33:23 Speaker 12: was down to seven thousand, and we didn't have any comeback.

33:28 Speaker 12: We couldn't ask the question. Our distributor was scared of Spotify.

33:33 Speaker 12: They don't want to talk to them because we've got

33:35 Speaker 12: so much power and we were like, it doesn't really

33:38 Speaker 12: matter to us. It's great that we were getting stream

33:41 Speaker 12: and it's great that people were listening to it every time.

33:45 Speaker 12: Every time, you know, we we tried to interact with

33:48 Speaker 12: them or we've tried to understand why they were treating

33:53 Speaker 12: us like this, and like basically what had happened is

33:57 Speaker 12: at the start of every month, Spotify would say, oh,

34:01 Speaker 12: you've earned you know, fifty cents from your you're streaming right,

34:08 Speaker 12: but we're going to knock two thousand streams off so

34:12 Speaker 12: you know, down to like ten cents or you owe

34:14 Speaker 12: this money or something like that. It was, it was

34:18 Speaker 12: just brutal. Every month. We were like, oh, what they're

34:20 Speaker 12: going to do this, So we don't really we're not

34:23 Speaker 12: in this for the money, in this for the streams,

34:25 Speaker 12: like hopefully we get people to listen to us, hopefully

34:27 Speaker 12: don't like it. Yeah, but you know, we're at the

34:30 Speaker 12: end of the day, we're really doing it for, you know,

34:32 Speaker 12: to get this album out and to make sure that

34:36 Speaker 12: what we put out continues to be quality. And since

34:39 Speaker 12: we've come off, we're not we're not sitting there like

34:42 Speaker 12: looking at streams and we're not worried about it and

34:45 Speaker 12: it doesn't matter when the first of the month comes

34:47 Speaker 12: around and right, you know, there's nothing there to to do.

34:51 Speaker 12: So I don't know if people I don't really follow it,

34:54 Speaker 12: to be honest, I don't know if people are listening

34:56 Speaker 12: on Apple or Diser or wherever else. Sure on everything else,

35:02 Speaker 12: so you can still get it. But like, of course, yeah,

35:05 Speaker 12: you know, Spotify is just such a they're not going

35:09 Speaker 12: to be bothered at we're not on it. It's going

35:12 Speaker 12: to make zero difference to the right rights. It saves us,

35:18 Speaker 12: just like the the thoughts and people have been very

35:21 Speaker 12: supportive about it and come back and said, like, I

35:24 Speaker 12: wish we could do this, but we need our I

35:27 Speaker 12: think it's you know a lot of people still think that,

35:30 Speaker 12: you know, our song could make it. You know, it

35:32 Speaker 12: could get a one hundred thousand streams, it could get

35:34 Speaker 12: a million streams. Yeah, yeah, like do it, you know,

35:38 Speaker 12: do what's right for you for us. You know, I

35:44 Speaker 12: don't think we're ever going to get a hundred thousand

35:45 Speaker 12: streams or a million streams. You never know, but if

35:48 Speaker 12: they do, they can go to you know, any other

35:50 Speaker 12: platform rather than Spotify. So it's just a little stance. Yeah,

35:55 Speaker 12: it will make no difference, but it's made us feel better.

35:58 Speaker 10: Sure, sure, well it it's difficult because you're in a

36:01 Speaker 10: position where, you know, and this is kind of the

36:03 Speaker 10: position that everybody's in in a sense, is that we're

36:06 Speaker 10: all sort of at the mercy of you know, it

36:09 Speaker 10: comes with big tech. And don't get me wrong, I

36:12 Speaker 10: love I love tech, and I love that we have

36:14 Speaker 10: all these resources that we didn't have when I was

36:17 Speaker 10: growing up and so forth. But you know, you're really

36:22 Speaker 10: at the mercy of these platforms, you know, no matter

36:25 Speaker 10: what you're doing. Like, for example, I wasn't able to

36:28 Speaker 10: stream you know, I like to stream this show to

36:30 Speaker 10: Facebook when I'm live. I wasn't able to do that

36:33 Speaker 10: for a month because I was banned from live streaming

36:36 Speaker 10: and and and they don't like to tell you why.

36:40 Speaker 9: They don't.

36:41 Speaker 10: They like to tell you that you did something wrong

36:43 Speaker 10: and so you're banned from And it was the only

36:44 Speaker 10: thing I was banned from. My account wasn't banned or anything.

36:46 Speaker 10: I just was banned from streaming. They like to tell

36:49 Speaker 10: you that you can't do this anymore for a while,

36:52 Speaker 10: but they don't like to tell you why. You know,

36:54 Speaker 10: it'd be nice to know why. So then I can

36:56 Speaker 10: avoid doing it again. But they don't like to tell

36:58 Speaker 10: you that. But we're all kind of at the mercy

37:00 Speaker 10: of you know, and they don't like to talk to you,

37:02 Speaker 10: just like Spotify doesn't like to talk to you. Facebook

37:04 Speaker 10: doesn't like to talk to you either. I'm amazed that

37:06 Speaker 10: I was able to get as much information as I did.

37:08 Speaker 10: You know, YouTube doesn't like to talk to you unless

37:10 Speaker 10: you're you know, unless you have you know, a million subscribers.

37:14 Speaker 10: But we're all kind of at the mercy of that.

37:19 Speaker 12: Like, there's so many you know, radio shows and podcasts,

37:24 Speaker 12: and they they like to tag bands on there, so

37:29 Speaker 12: the band actually knows that they're going to get played,

37:31 Speaker 12: which is really nice for the band. It's really nice

37:33 Speaker 12: for the for the podcast or for the radio show. Yeah,

37:36 Speaker 12: because I'll get you know, a listener for that hopefully.

37:40 Speaker 12: And if you can't tag something, you just don't know.

37:43 Speaker 12: So even trying to find out, you know, if you

37:48 Speaker 12: do okay on radio, it's not easy. You know, You've

37:51 Speaker 12: got to You've got to really, you know, hunt for stats,

37:56 Speaker 12: and you know, we we sort of I try and

38:00 Speaker 12: use what's called online box Radio and they do a

38:03 Speaker 12: few stats every now and then and they show which

38:07 Speaker 12: radio stations played it. But I'd say probably only twenty

38:11 Speaker 12: five percent of the radio stations actually subscribe to online box,

38:17 Speaker 12: so you're not getting a full picture. And the one thing,

38:20 Speaker 12: the one thing was Spotify, and they did it so

38:22 Speaker 12: cleverly is they show you exactly what is. You know,

38:26 Speaker 12: what's being played, and you can see that you've had

38:29 Speaker 12: like you know, ten streams or one hundred streams, and

38:33 Speaker 12: you know, it gives you a little bit of visibility

38:36 Speaker 12: around what you're actually doing. And I've read I've read

38:40 Speaker 12: something the other day. You know, if you're not getting

38:45 Speaker 12: those streams, it's what stops you making music. And I

38:49 Speaker 12: thot it was really quite poignant that you're not doing

38:53 Speaker 12: it for yourself, you're doing it for other people. And

38:56 Speaker 12: I think you've you've really got to be making music

38:58 Speaker 12: for yourself. And once you get into that mindset, it

39:00 Speaker 12: doesn't really matter what goes on external. You know, you

39:05 Speaker 12: can do whatever you want, and if you want to

39:06 Speaker 12: play gigs, you can play gigs. And if you want to,

39:09 Speaker 12: you know, set a goal for stream and you can

39:11 Speaker 12: do that, or you get on radio. Well, if you're

39:14 Speaker 12: not doing it for yourself first and foremost, then it

39:17 Speaker 12: doesn't really make too much sense to be doing it,

39:19 Speaker 12: because if you can't make yourself happy when you're doing it,

39:22 Speaker 12: it's got to be a joyful experience just making music.

39:26 Speaker 12: And it's one of the things that we talked about

39:27 Speaker 12: when we said, like we'll come off spotif because it

39:31 Speaker 12: was just making things that a little bit too much harder.

39:34 Speaker 12: We've got you know, we've both got day jobs. We

39:37 Speaker 12: spend them all our time, you know, chasing up and

39:41 Speaker 12: figuring out what's going on, and we're just like, you know,

39:43 Speaker 12: want to try and put it out there, yeah and

39:47 Speaker 12: move on and like say, yeah, that was a really

39:49 Speaker 12: good song. We had a great experience with this this

39:51 Speaker 12: guy who sang it with us. We'll try and replicate

39:54 Speaker 12: that and the next time we go and then you know,

39:56 Speaker 12: we go again for another song and the model which

39:59 Speaker 12: we absolutely stumbled upon because we don't know what we're

40:04 Speaker 12: going to be doing and it works well for us.

40:06 Speaker 12: So it's just like it's a good pobby I get

40:09 Speaker 12: from I get home from work, and you know, I

40:12 Speaker 12: sit down for a couple of hours. I could do

40:13 Speaker 12: it all on my phone and I can distribute to

40:16 Speaker 12: radio shows and find different contacts that may be able

40:21 Speaker 12: to help, and I don't know, like people may be

40:25 Speaker 12: getting a bit annoyed with me, but I spent quite

40:27 Speaker 12: a lot spend quite a lot of time like sending

40:29 Speaker 12: emails out and saying, you know, here's here's a song

40:32 Speaker 12: which we think maybe maybe a good fit to your

40:35 Speaker 12: radio station.

40:35 Speaker 9: That's what it takes.

40:36 Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, you know, that's the way we

40:41 Speaker 12: do it.

40:41 Speaker 10: Now I can relate to what you were saying about

40:43 Speaker 10: radio because so one of the things that I do

40:46 Speaker 10: in my business, I'm a college radio promoter. So clients

40:49 Speaker 10: hire me to send their music out to college radio

40:51 Speaker 10: stations and I do all the follow up and the

40:53 Speaker 10: tracking and everything and that. But the tracking is the

40:57 Speaker 10: most challenging part because a lot of these stations don't

41:00 Speaker 10: report to any kind of a service. So the only

41:02 Speaker 10: way I know for sure, you know, is is when

41:06 Speaker 10: the when somebody at the radio station, the music director

41:08 Speaker 10: or the program director confirms directly with me that yes,

41:11 Speaker 10: we we have this track in rotation. Okay, can you

41:15 Speaker 10: give me a spin count? The answer most of the

41:17 Speaker 10: time is no, you know, but when we can, we

41:22 Speaker 10: can tell you if it's in you know, heavy rotation.

41:25 Speaker 10: Or light rotation or whatever. But it's but it's the

41:29 Speaker 10: single most reliable way is just getting that information directly

41:32 Speaker 10: from the station because there's so many.

41:34 Speaker 9: You know, it used to be easier too.

41:35 Speaker 10: There used to be College Music Journal, which technically still exists,

41:38 Speaker 10: but not in its old form, and you know, you

41:40 Speaker 10: could get information through them. But now that you know

41:43 Speaker 10: that went away, they completely changed how they do it.

41:45 Speaker 10: They don't really do what they used to do. And

41:47 Speaker 10: now there's all these different services that you can subscribe to,

41:51 Speaker 10: but it's it's more difficult. Like it's easier in one

41:54 Speaker 10: sense to find services that report whether your music is

41:58 Speaker 10: being played at different stations, but it's hard to find

42:02 Speaker 10: one service that reports all of it. And and then too,

42:06 Speaker 10: you know, and and actually and and some of these

42:09 Speaker 10: radio stations they're just like the big tech companies. They

42:11 Speaker 10: don't want to necessarily talk to you either.

42:16 Speaker 12: That's all of taking a leaf out of Spotify and

42:18 Speaker 12: big techs, you know, stance they have. If big tech

42:23 Speaker 12: won't talk to you, right.

42:26 Speaker 10: Right, why should w E R s in Boston, why

42:29 Speaker 10: should they talk to me either? You know, and they

42:33 Speaker 10: do but you know, but but but you mentioned it too.

42:35 Speaker 10: You have to be persistent, right, And that's that's really

42:38 Speaker 10: what it takes. You have to be persistent.

42:41 Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, we we send an email out for

42:46 Speaker 12: every release, and one of our problems is as well,

42:52 Speaker 12: so we we we've got a list. I don't know

42:54 Speaker 12: how many email addresses are on it. Yeah, I feel guilty.

42:58 Speaker 12: I feel I do feel quite guilty, but I know

43:00 Speaker 12: that it's kind of happen. So we send send this

43:04 Speaker 12: out and it takes like a few hours to send

43:06 Speaker 12: to every radio station. Book. We we don't stick to

43:13 Speaker 12: one genre. Oh and you know, some of our stuff

43:18 Speaker 12: was a little bit heavier, some of it. You know,

43:21 Speaker 12: it's come out as a bit bluesy. You know, there's

43:23 Speaker 12: punkin there. So every time we do a different song,

43:31 Speaker 12: you know you're looking for so, you know, for I

43:34 Speaker 12: get blamed, I was trying to send it out to

43:36 Speaker 12: punk stations if that's such a thing, you know, like

43:41 Speaker 12: a little bit more punky, right, and fanzines and podcasts

43:45 Speaker 12: and all that sort of stuff. And then after I

43:50 Speaker 12: get blamed, we released is very much enough and that

43:54 Speaker 12: is definitely not a punk song, you know. That's that

43:57 Speaker 12: that's a little bit moody and a bit bluesy and

44:00 Speaker 12: a bit ballady, and it's very different for what we

44:03 Speaker 12: what we again sort of set out to do. We know,

44:07 Speaker 12: we wanted to do something a little bit different, and

44:11 Speaker 12: for us, like being different is great. But when we

44:13 Speaker 12: send that song to the punk channel that we sent

44:16 Speaker 12: to last week, like what is this you just sent us?

44:20 Speaker 12: We can't play this? And I'm like, well, I class

44:24 Speaker 12: ourselves as, like in the massive inverted comments, a punk

44:28 Speaker 12: rock band. And if you have a look at the

44:31 Speaker 12: term of punk, it's basically anything, you know, like it's

44:36 Speaker 12: not like sticking to conformity and like playing two courts.

44:42 Speaker 12: You know, like, of course it can be punk can

44:45 Speaker 12: be pretty much anything. And you listen. You listen to

44:46 Speaker 12: a band like the Clash, an original punk band, you

44:51 Speaker 12: know what, the biggest punk band around probably and you know,

44:56 Speaker 12: they do clipso music and they do Middle Eastern and

45:00 Speaker 12: they've done all sorts, and it's just like punk can't

45:03 Speaker 12: be just you know what is stereotypically thought of, like

45:07 Speaker 12: a punk song is like a short two minute blast, right,

45:12 Speaker 12: And so I know that we're sending you a blue song.

45:16 Speaker 12: You know, give it, give it a try. You don't

45:17 Speaker 12: have to play it. You know, and the next one

45:20 Speaker 12: will probably be more punk. Right. But like some people

45:23 Speaker 12: come by and just so you know, un subscribed, delete

45:28 Speaker 12: me from this playlist, you know, or some are quite

45:31 Speaker 12: thanks for this, but I can't play this. That's fine,

45:34 Speaker 12: you don't. You don't need to play everything, you know,

45:36 Speaker 12: everything's a little bit different.

45:38 Speaker 10: I actually I feel I feel like that what you have,

45:41 Speaker 10: I mean, it does all you can put it all

45:43 Speaker 10: in the broader category of indie rock. I feel like,

45:46 Speaker 10: you know, I mean it all fits that certainly.

45:50 Speaker 12: That's exactly what we if we do market that's what

45:56 Speaker 12: we market ourselves as an indie punk rock back. So

45:59 Speaker 12: we're sort of straddling genres, you know, and that's what

46:04 Speaker 12: we want to do, right And going back to your

46:07 Speaker 12: point about the album, we've got like a a blue

46:12 Speaker 12: song and a punk song and then shopping and the

46:15 Speaker 12: ineffectuals which are probably just indie rock. And our latest release,

46:22 Speaker 12: which is a matter of time, has got a lot

46:25 Speaker 12: of synth in. It's got like a synth where at

46:29 Speaker 12: the bottom of it. So I don't even know who

46:32 Speaker 12: to send that to to be honest. Do we send

46:34 Speaker 12: that to Electric because it's got a bit of synth

46:37 Speaker 12: in it. Are they going to like that? Yeah? Or

46:40 Speaker 12: do we send it to the punk people? Like? It's

46:43 Speaker 12: been played on a few rock channels and I'm like

46:46 Speaker 12: that's great. Well, I'm not too sure it is rock,

46:50 Speaker 12: and so I just hope people see it for what

46:55 Speaker 12: it is. It's like, what's trying to be a little

46:57 Speaker 12: bit different and not say do like the same sort

47:01 Speaker 12: of thing every time? And some people really appreciate that,

47:04 Speaker 12: and some people don't like it. Well what it is?

47:09 Speaker 9: We should uh, we should tell people too.

47:11 Speaker 10: Uh you are on band camp, which that's one of

47:14 Speaker 10: my favorite resources for music.

47:16 Speaker 12: It's it's a great place.

47:18 Speaker 10: Everything's on band camp and uh band camp too. Something

47:21 Speaker 10: a lot of people don't realize is that you get

47:23 Speaker 10: a high quality file, a high bit rate file from

47:25 Speaker 10: band Camp that you don't necessarily get. So, for example,

47:28 Speaker 10: if you're just streaming music on YouTube, you know you're

47:32 Speaker 10: better off streaming music on band camp and downloading it

47:35 Speaker 10: from there because you're going to get a much higher

47:38 Speaker 10: quality file.

47:39 Speaker 12: I was shocked the difference. I didn't really listen to

47:43 Speaker 12: band camp. I knew it was out there, and then

47:48 Speaker 12: I I got sent some bank camp stuff and I

47:54 Speaker 12: listened to it and I was like, this is brilliant,

47:56 Speaker 12: and then I put it on a Spotify playlist and

48:01 Speaker 12: it was terrible on Spotify.

48:02 Speaker 1: Yeah.

48:03 Speaker 9: Yeah, so you know, it was really.

48:07 Speaker 12: Eye opening that that bank Camp's quality was so much better.

48:12 Speaker 17: Yeah.

48:12 Speaker 10: Absolutely, that's like I said, that's something that's something people

48:15 Speaker 10: don't realize.

48:17 Speaker 9: Rob the time does go quickly.

48:19 Speaker 10: I want to make sure, so I think we're going

48:20 Speaker 10: to end the segment when we when we wrap up

48:22 Speaker 10: in a couple of minutes with that song A matter

48:24 Speaker 10: of time. I really like that one a lot later

48:27 Speaker 10: in the show too. I might I might circle back

48:29 Speaker 10: and play a couple others if we have time, But

48:32 Speaker 10: I want to make sure because we were talking about,

48:35 Speaker 10: you know, not being on Spotify and where you are.

48:37 Speaker 10: Discoverability is a term that I use a lot. We

48:41 Speaker 10: want to make sure people do know where to find

48:43 Speaker 10: like where's the best places to go for people to

48:45 Speaker 10: find the thods and to keep up with everything that

48:48 Speaker 10: you're doing.

48:50 Speaker 12: And you can. We're on Facebook and we're on Instagram

48:54 Speaker 12: and obviously bank Camp is a good place for us,

48:58 Speaker 12: and we're on everything else apart from Spotify, just Spotify.

49:03 Speaker 12: That is that is I know it goes on for

49:07 Speaker 12: us now and there's there's gonna be some new places.

49:11 Speaker 12: I can't remember what they called off the top of

49:13 Speaker 12: my head because it's all who basically does all the

49:17 Speaker 12: admit this sort of stuff. But there's there's, there's, there's

49:21 Speaker 12: you know, a bunch of new I guess they're trying

49:26 Speaker 12: to disrupt what Spotify and Apple and all these but

49:30 Speaker 12: like there's posts on our Instagram which explained it, and

49:34 Speaker 12: we're saying right now we're not on Spotify, will we'll

49:37 Speaker 12: we'll try these places and the you know, the sort

49:41 Speaker 12: of people who've got been in the same sort of

49:44 Speaker 12: situations have got fed up with big tech. I guess

49:50 Speaker 12: I think that they're run by bands. Let me let

49:52 Speaker 12: me just have a quick look on my Instagram. Yeah,

49:55 Speaker 12: and they were run by bands, and they said that

49:59 Speaker 12: they're gonna and you know, pay a little bit more

50:03 Speaker 12: and look after the band's a bit better. So we'll

50:06 Speaker 12: see what we'll see what happens. Subvert It's cool, what

50:13 Speaker 12: is it? So subvert subvert right, so that this is

50:19 Speaker 12: going to be like a new place. I didn't know

50:22 Speaker 12: about this, so check it out and you know, if

50:26 Speaker 12: if new bands want to get on there and it

50:31 Speaker 12: looks to be quite an interesting place. And what happens,

50:35 Speaker 12: you know, anything that you know gives smaller artists a

50:39 Speaker 12: bigger platform is you know, something that we want to

50:43 Speaker 12: be involved in.

50:43 Speaker 10: Absolutely, And we always need disruptors coming into the frame,

50:48 Speaker 10: you know, and and better to have more options than less,

50:51 Speaker 10: and and and all of it too. And you know,

50:53 Speaker 10: it does get scary when when you've got something like Spotify,

50:56 Speaker 10: that that becomes so dominant and and so important, you know,

51:01 Speaker 10: you know, to the point that as as you talked

51:03 Speaker 10: about earlier, to the point where your own distributor is

51:05 Speaker 10: afraid to even challenge them on anything. You know, that's

51:09 Speaker 10: that's how powerful they are. And that's that's too much.

51:11 Speaker 10: That's that's too much power concentrated in one place.

51:15 Speaker 12: Absolutely, and you say, they're only going to get better.

51:18 Speaker 12: You see the other day Netflix sport.

51:22 Speaker 10: MGM, they bought Warner Brothers. Netflix bought Warner Brothers.

51:26 Speaker 12: Yeah, how big Netflix could be? You know, if that's

51:31 Speaker 12: it's insane. The next thing Netflix, Netflix will probably buy

51:36 Speaker 12: you know, well another story platform, man, can you imagine

51:40 Speaker 12: it by Amazon or something like that get bigger and bigger.

51:44 Speaker 12: So I don't know, it's a strange and interesting place.

51:49 Speaker 12: It is.

51:52 Speaker 9: It absolutely is.

51:53 Speaker 10: Well listen Rob Critchley from the Thoughts. Always wonderful to

51:57 Speaker 10: talk with you. I really enjoy our conversations. We'll definitely

52:00 Speaker 10: do this again in the near future. Obviously you've got uh,

52:03 Speaker 10: you've got more music coming, so there's always more to

52:06 Speaker 10: talk about.

52:08 Speaker 1: Yeah.

52:08 Speaker 18: Absolutely, when we get more and we'll let you know

52:12 Speaker 18: about the album and please we put it in and yeah,

52:16 Speaker 18: that'll be that'll be a good place to uh to

52:19 Speaker 18: talk next.

52:19 Speaker 9: I think absolutely absolutely.

52:21 Speaker 10: That sounds great. That sounds great. Yeah, so we'll we'll

52:24 Speaker 10: talk soon for sure. We're gonna let you go and

52:26 Speaker 10: I'm gonna hit this track a matter of time. Another

52:28 Speaker 10: great another great song from the Fods. Uh, we'll let

52:31 Speaker 10: you get going, but Rob, thank you so much and

52:33 Speaker 10: we'll talk to you soon.

52:34 Speaker 12: Man, I appreciate you. Make look after yourself, all right,

52:37 Speaker 12: I will thank you.

52:38 Speaker 9: Take care bye bye.

52:39 Speaker 12: All right.

52:42 Speaker 10: That is Rob Critchley from the Fods, and I do

52:44 Speaker 10: really enjoy talking with him, and we're gonna play this

52:47 Speaker 10: track a matter of time. If you are listening live

52:50 Speaker 10: on Saturday morning, stick around. Coming up in the second hour,

52:53 Speaker 10: we have Baron Keismo another great band that I'm really

52:57 Speaker 10: look that we'll be there first time on the show.

52:59 Speaker 10: Really looking forward to speaking with them. I'm not sure

53:01 Speaker 10: how many your Witch members are going to be joining us,

53:03 Speaker 10: but they will be joining us via Microsoft teams. Can't

53:06 Speaker 10: wait to talk with them. But in the meantime, this

53:08 Speaker 10: is again another great song.

53:10 Speaker 9: I think this is the newest single. This is a

53:12 Speaker 9: matter of time and the band is the Fodds.

53:30 Speaker 16: Everything is good when in need st be andiver there

53:38 Speaker 16: works well, it's you enemy. Everything's wrong.

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53:50 Speaker 1: Crab fail wrong when.

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54:05 Speaker 6: all those trashs batlen silesime turn sound.

54:13 Speaker 1: Real.

54:22 Speaker 16: Then an affirm you want the interestiss to breed, Then

54:29 Speaker 16: an effem you need.

54:32 Speaker 12: I just want to see.

54:36 Speaker 11: All that you desire.

54:40 Speaker 1: Then your guy, I'll be back to sire.

54:47 Speaker 14: Lean down on your thigh, some matter on tile.

54:54 Speaker 1: Side, don simewhere all.

54:57 Speaker 9: Those trash batter and side I.

55:00 Speaker 15: Have out on time the time when.

55:04 Speaker 14: In all those time and somebod time un time not

55:10 Speaker 14: of time and read to las sis anout in time

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55:18 Speaker 13: When nothing that shot want, Well, we got of your houses.

55:35 Speaker 11: Everything that I always.

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55:43 Speaker 11: It's nothing he change that girl on you. It's get

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