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7:42 Speaker 4: That is money can't buy me love. The artist is

7:45 Speaker 4: Andrew d V and we have him with us via WhatsApp.

7:48 Speaker 4: We're gonna speak with him in just a moment. Welcome everybody.

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8:12 Speaker 4: course at the News table, and let's bring Andrew and

8:16 Speaker 4: I think we've got him via WhatsApp.

8:17 Speaker 13: Andrew, are you there, Yes, I'm here, loud and Clia.

8:21 Speaker 4: Hey, welcome to the show. Love that song very very catchy,

8:24 Speaker 4: which I'm sure people tell you all the time, but

8:28 Speaker 4: it's it's very easy to sing along to. I like

8:31 Speaker 4: it a lot.

8:32 Speaker 13: That's good. Thanks very much for liking it.

8:34 Speaker 4: It's it's good so interestingly enough, so it's kind of

8:38 Speaker 4: it's it's a fun song, but it's kind of a serious,

8:41 Speaker 4: uh subject, right, And I'm really curious to know more

8:46 Speaker 4: about it because obviously you're talking about you know, money,

8:51 Speaker 4: money only gets you know, not only can money not

8:53 Speaker 4: buy you love, but sometimes it can't buy you enough

8:56 Speaker 4: to live on, you know. And and uh, and this

8:59 Speaker 4: is a problem in many places, you know, in the

9:03 Speaker 4: United States, of course, you know, we deal with inflation

9:05 Speaker 4: and things like that, and where you are in the UK,

9:08 Speaker 4: obviously you experienced these things as well. And I'd be

9:11 Speaker 4: curious to know more. There's kind of the story behind

9:13 Speaker 4: the song money Can't Buy Me Love.

9:16 Speaker 13: It's just from my personal experience, but I think a

9:19 Speaker 13: lot of other people experience it as well, no matter

9:23 Speaker 13: how hard you work, there's going to be so many

9:26 Speaker 13: outgoings that you feel like you're left with nothing right.

9:29 Speaker 13: And the origin of the story comes from when it

9:34 Speaker 13: was in my early bandays. I got my first royalty

9:37 Speaker 13: check through the post and as we're opening up the envelope,

9:41 Speaker 13: it was a check for one hundred and twenty pounds,

9:45 Speaker 13: and I looked out the window and there was a

9:46 Speaker 13: total truck going past. And then I remember that I

9:49 Speaker 13: left my car on a yellow line and because it

9:53 Speaker 13: was broken down, okay, and it got towed away, so

9:57 Speaker 13: go to the car pound to retrieve it, and the

10:00 Speaker 13: to retrievement it was one hundred and twenty pounds. So

10:02 Speaker 13: that check, that rualty just disappeared in a matter of hours.

10:08 Speaker 13: So it's those kinds of experiences where suddenly you've got

10:11 Speaker 13: money and then then somebody else takes it away.

10:15 Speaker 4: You know what's interesting about that too is I think

10:19 Speaker 4: a lot of people I think this has changed over

10:21 Speaker 4: the years, but I know that there was a time

10:22 Speaker 4: at least in America, and this is probably true other

10:25 Speaker 4: places as well, where people who don't know better will

10:28 Speaker 4: assume that if you're a musician and you're making money,

10:31 Speaker 4: you know that you're probably rich and you live in

10:33 Speaker 4: a mansion and you've got platinum records on the wall

10:36 Speaker 4: and all that kind of thing, and that's not how

10:38 Speaker 4: it works. If you're very, very successful and famous, you know,

10:42 Speaker 4: that might be how it works. But most musicians are

10:46 Speaker 4: working class people, certainly the people that we have on

10:48 Speaker 4: the show, and have the same struggles as everyone else,

10:51 Speaker 4: or if not even more so, because you know, being

10:54 Speaker 4: a full time musician certainly can be a very challenging

10:58 Speaker 4: financially economic, a very challenging lifestyle, you know, and in

11:03 Speaker 4: this era too, where you have streaming services like Spotify,

11:06 Speaker 4: for example, who don't pay very much, you know, it

11:09 Speaker 4: can be very difficult. And your story is very illustrative

11:12 Speaker 4: of that. You know, you get that, you get that

11:15 Speaker 4: first royalty check and then it's gone, immediately, it's gone

11:18 Speaker 4: because you had to go and retrieve your car. And

11:21 Speaker 4: are you surprised, like when you tell that story, do

11:25 Speaker 4: you find that people are surprised to hear that?

11:30 Speaker 13: No, because I think things happen to them, not that

11:33 Speaker 13: specific example, but sure both other things like if they're heating,

11:37 Speaker 13: boiler breaks down, you know, something major happens. It's very

11:41 Speaker 13: costly to get a tradesman in to fix it, and right,

11:45 Speaker 13: you know, all your hard end money is going for

11:48 Speaker 13: something that you didn't expect to happen. Right, you know,

11:51 Speaker 13: the surprises that life throws at you as sometimes the

11:56 Speaker 13: very hard to take, especially when there's expensive.

12:00 Speaker 8: Yeah.

12:02 Speaker 13: Absolutely, back to the think about being a musician, it

12:07 Speaker 13: can be very expensive because when people see on stage,

12:10 Speaker 13: they think that's it, you're performing. It's great. Right behind

12:15 Speaker 13: the scenes of the cost of rehearsals, the cust of equipment,

12:20 Speaker 13: having to replace that, pressing records, well, that kind of thing.

12:29 Speaker 4: Yeah, people have no idea what goes into it and

12:32 Speaker 4: how expensive it is. And you know, I know that

12:34 Speaker 4: in America, and I'm old enough to remember growing up

12:38 Speaker 4: and watching you know, MTV and seeing videos of rock

12:42 Speaker 4: bands and there they look like they're living this lush,

12:47 Speaker 4: lavish lifestyle and they're they're all living in a mansion

12:50 Speaker 4: and and you know, hanging out with Playboy playmates and

12:54 Speaker 4: you know, all this stuff and driving these very expensive

12:57 Speaker 4: sports cars. And then over time that sort of where

13:01 Speaker 4: it wasn't so much rock bands because it's sort of

13:03 Speaker 4: in the nineties, it became uncool all of a sudden

13:06 Speaker 4: to be projecting that image and then that kind of

13:09 Speaker 4: all shifted over to hip hop. But it's always fascinating

13:13 Speaker 4: to me how different the reality is, or how different

13:18 Speaker 4: the perception is, and how distorted it is in contrast

13:22 Speaker 4: with the actual reality and the economics of the music business.

13:27 Speaker 4: I'm curious too. You mentioned so you used to how

13:30 Speaker 4: long have you been a solo artist? Because you mentioned

13:32 Speaker 4: you used to be in bands. I know that you're

13:33 Speaker 4: a veteran of the UK scene, You've been around a while.

13:36 Speaker 4: What's kind of been your experiences You used to be

13:38 Speaker 4: in bands and now you're strictly a solo artist.

13:42 Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm strictly a solo artist now, think you still

13:45 Speaker 13: that round of twenty seventeen when I first started right

13:48 Speaker 13: to my own songs, Yeah, I'm By twenty nineteen, i'd

13:52 Speaker 13: released my first album, Northern Soul, which happened fairly quickly

13:57 Speaker 13: because what I did was that instead of going into

14:00 Speaker 13: the studio and recording twelve songs in one go, I

14:04 Speaker 13: did it in three stages. I did like four songs

14:06 Speaker 13: at a time and stasted around a few friends like drummers,

14:11 Speaker 13: bass players, keyboard players if they just wanted to come

14:13 Speaker 13: in and help out and surprisingly they did, and I

14:18 Speaker 13: didn't have to pay them either, which was great sweet.

14:21 Speaker 13: But on the album, there's so many different people helping

14:25 Speaker 13: me out and I thought that was really really kind

14:27 Speaker 13: of them to do that. Jack Hater from Hefner was

14:33 Speaker 13: on steel guitar. The drummer from The Bitter Springs helped

14:38 Speaker 13: out in drums. There was another two other drummers that

14:41 Speaker 13: helped out as well, a couple of back end singers,

14:45 Speaker 13: a trumpet player. So there was quite a long list

14:50 Speaker 13: of musicians that were willing to help me out, which

14:53 Speaker 13: I thought was great.

14:54 Speaker 4: That is yeah? Is that so in the grand scheme

14:57 Speaker 4: of things? Is that is that more lenging in a

15:00 Speaker 4: sense when you're recording a solo album or whatever it

15:05 Speaker 4: is that you're doing solo. When you're recording, does that

15:07 Speaker 4: become more challenging because you have to find the right

15:10 Speaker 4: musicians to fit what you're doing, versus just being in

15:13 Speaker 4: a band where it's static, you know, you've got the

15:16 Speaker 4: same people on each song, or maybe it's not. Maybe

15:19 Speaker 4: it's liberating, you know, because you're in total control and

15:22 Speaker 4: you get to choose, you know, you can accept or

15:25 Speaker 4: reject the contributions of whomever may be coming to play

15:29 Speaker 4: on your music. I don't know, Like, how's that experience

15:31 Speaker 4: been going from playing in bands to being a solo

15:34 Speaker 4: artist In terms of that, well.

15:36 Speaker 13: We're playing in a band. It was a set thing.

15:38 Speaker 13: Each person did their own instruments. Yeah, Like somebody else

15:44 Speaker 13: asked me this question about when you were in a band,

15:49 Speaker 13: what was the songwriting? Like, well, with that, all I

15:52 Speaker 13: did was my young guitar parts, perhaps by the bass

15:55 Speaker 13: player and the singer and the drummer. They did all

15:58 Speaker 13: their own things, so I didn't, yeah, you know, interfere

16:01 Speaker 13: with that. But being a solo artist, I've played bass, harmonica,

16:06 Speaker 13: I programmed drums, so it's you know, I'm now responsible

16:10 Speaker 13: for everything. So although it just take a little bit longer,

16:14 Speaker 13: I've got more control over.

16:15 Speaker 4: It, right, Is that what precipitated you becoming a solo artist?

16:20 Speaker 4: Did you want more control?

16:23 Speaker 6: Not so much.

16:24 Speaker 13: When I first started off, I did have a bass

16:27 Speaker 13: player and drummer with me, but then I just got

16:30 Speaker 13: fed up of it. Was it became like a revolving

16:34 Speaker 13: door syndrome where somebody did leave and then you have

16:36 Speaker 13: to get somebody else, and then somebody leave and then

16:39 Speaker 13: you have to get somebody else it was it got

16:42 Speaker 13: a bit to moralized, and so I just thought I'll

16:44 Speaker 13: do this on my own at least. You know, I

16:48 Speaker 13: was going to say I can't split up, but I

16:51 Speaker 13: have done that a couple of times. I've had a

16:52 Speaker 13: break for a couple of months, and then I'm sort of, well,

16:54 Speaker 13: I've got to get back.

16:55 Speaker 4: To it, right when you take a when you take

17:00 Speaker 4: a break, like, what causes that? Do you just need

17:02 Speaker 4: to get away from it for a while or or

17:05 Speaker 4: is it I mean, is there something that sort of

17:08 Speaker 4: necessitates that taking a break from it.

17:11 Speaker 13: I think it's healthy to take a break because we're

17:14 Speaker 13: going to do this as a solo artist, and I

17:18 Speaker 13: tend to live it twenty four hours a day, so

17:21 Speaker 13: just get a bit tiring. You know, you're always thinking

17:23 Speaker 13: of lines for songs at eleven o'clock at night. You're

17:27 Speaker 13: relaxing or concentrating on other things, and you know, it's

17:34 Speaker 13: good to have a break, recharge your batteries and come back.

17:37 Speaker 13: It's like with the songwriting, I'll write a couple of

17:40 Speaker 13: songs and then I can't do anything for a couple

17:43 Speaker 13: of months.

17:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks like it.

17:47 Speaker 13: Absolutely. Yeah, having a break is good because it recharge

17:52 Speaker 13: your batteries and then you can get new material a

17:54 Speaker 13: little bit quicker, Like I've got a new song on

17:57 Speaker 13: the go at the moment which is going quite well,

17:59 Speaker 13: and I haven't done anything for weeks. Yeah, so it's

18:03 Speaker 13: you know, it's always good to have a break, oh yeah, yeah.

18:06 Speaker 4: And then you can kind of reapproach it with a

18:09 Speaker 4: fresh perspective. I'm curious too about your live performances because, again,

18:15 Speaker 4: especially someone being someone who used to be in bands,

18:18 Speaker 4: and you know, I've played in a lot of bands.

18:20 Speaker 4: I've never done a solo thing, but I've played in

18:21 Speaker 4: a lot of bands, and I know that when you're

18:23 Speaker 4: on stage with a bunch of people, there's almost a

18:25 Speaker 4: kind of a safety and numbers thing, you know, you're

18:27 Speaker 4: all in it together. And I've I've never I've always

18:29 Speaker 4: been curious because I've never experienced kind of that rawness

18:32 Speaker 4: of being at least that's how I perceive it of

18:35 Speaker 4: being a solo artist. I've never experienced that. But I'm

18:38 Speaker 4: curious what it's like for you in that regard. Did

18:42 Speaker 4: you feel more vulnerable on stage making that transition, even

18:46 Speaker 4: though you might have other musicians on stage with you,

18:49 Speaker 4: it's still you know, you then become really the totally

18:52 Speaker 4: the focus and and what was that like for you?

18:57 Speaker 13: I did at first because when I started solo, it

18:59 Speaker 13: was just me with a good acoustically like a lot

19:03 Speaker 13: of other people do. But then when I added the

19:06 Speaker 13: drum machine and the harmonica, things got a little bit

19:08 Speaker 13: louder and there was more more of it. So I

19:13 Speaker 13: sort of got lost in that and was able to

19:15 Speaker 13: focus more on doing all of that that thing and

19:18 Speaker 13: having a louder sound. Sort of that set me apart

19:21 Speaker 13: from another Other acoustic musicians like I seem to have

19:27 Speaker 13: this problem at the moment where you get a lot

19:29 Speaker 13: of open mics where there's people with an acoustic instruments

19:32 Speaker 13: and a voice, right, But when I do them, I'm

19:36 Speaker 13: far too loud, So I don't think they like that

19:39 Speaker 13: kind of thing. But they won't have me on my

19:41 Speaker 13: bands because I'm not a band, but I'm as loud

19:45 Speaker 13: as a band.

19:46 Speaker 4: Oh that's interesting. So it sort of puts you in

19:48 Speaker 4: this weird position, right because you're you're you're you're you're

19:52 Speaker 4: you're as loud as the bands, but they won't put

19:54 Speaker 4: you with the band because you're a solo artist. But

19:57 Speaker 4: you're too loud for the You know, you're too loud

19:59 Speaker 4: for someone who this up there with a guitar and

20:01 Speaker 4: just sing it at the end. That's really interesting. Yeah.

20:05 Speaker 13: I did a gig in East London a while back

20:08 Speaker 13: and I was supporting this other band who were quite loud.

20:12 Speaker 13: I went went on and opened up for the gig

20:14 Speaker 13: and everyone really enjoyed it. And this this guy came

20:18 Speaker 13: up to me, came up at the end and shook

20:20 Speaker 13: me by the hand and said you were great this

20:22 Speaker 13: that was fantastic And I was thinking, wow, what we're done.

20:26 Speaker 13: And you know, another thing like that happened at a festival.

20:31 Speaker 13: Some guy been there all day. I came on and

20:34 Speaker 13: played and at the end he just came on, came

20:37 Speaker 13: on stage and at the end he said, wow, have

20:39 Speaker 13: you fantastic? I've been here all day and all these

20:41 Speaker 13: other bands haven't been so great and you've been fantastic.

20:45 Speaker 13: So you know, it's a bit refreshing for people.

20:48 Speaker 4: I think, Yeah, and to have that validation too, you know,

20:52 Speaker 4: that's so obviously you're you're onto something. Was that was

20:56 Speaker 4: that challenging at all? You know, introducing UH drum programming

20:59 Speaker 4: and your live set a drum machine. I mean that

21:03 Speaker 4: must have taken some getting used to, right or maybe not.

21:05 Speaker 4: Maybe it seemed natural from the beginning. I don't know,

21:07 Speaker 4: but again that's something I've never experienced, so almost I

21:10 Speaker 4: asked this question almost selfishly because I'm just very very

21:13 Speaker 4: curious about that, if that was a natural transition for

21:16 Speaker 4: you or did you have to kind of work at it?

21:20 Speaker 13: Not really, because I've been in other bands where we've

21:24 Speaker 13: had a drum machine move it with like a semi

21:27 Speaker 13: electronic band. Oh that was the mid nineties. We were

21:30 Speaker 13: called cloud Bass, and I used to have like an

21:35 Speaker 13: older Tallery computer with MIDI files and a drum machine

21:40 Speaker 13: and we had that. We just had guitar, bass and

21:42 Speaker 13: vocals and it was what's call It was quite quite regimented.

21:49 Speaker 13: So you really have to fit in with the timings.

21:51 Speaker 13: When when you've got a live drummer and everybody's live,

21:55 Speaker 13: you know you can be a bit more loose. This

21:58 Speaker 13: really good at being your toes because all that the

22:01 Speaker 13: drum programs and the medio files don't wait right, You're

22:06 Speaker 13: going to be really good with your time in. So

22:10 Speaker 13: used to do that, but when it reintroduced the drum machine,

22:13 Speaker 13: I knew how to a new what to expect, right,

22:16 Speaker 13: you know, to be good with the timing of playing.

22:21 Speaker 4: Now with your album So Northern Soul, which that was

22:24 Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, correct, Was that that your first album as

22:27 Speaker 4: a solo artist.

22:30 Speaker 13: Technically? Oh, I don't know if you know my history,

22:37 Speaker 13: but I think it was twenty twelve.

22:39 Speaker 11: Oh.

22:40 Speaker 13: I had this crazy idea. I was really really into

22:44 Speaker 13: just acoustic guitar instrumentals and I thought, I know, I'll

22:49 Speaker 13: just record it a couple of Beatles instrumentals and see

22:52 Speaker 13: how these sounds. And I was playing them in the

22:54 Speaker 13: car and the CD playing I thought, well, this is

22:56 Speaker 13: good driving music. This is maybe it's maybe it's a

22:59 Speaker 13: good idea to do it as an album, because I

23:04 Speaker 13: went into a studio and recorded I think it was

23:05 Speaker 13: fourteen Beatles songs okay, and I released them put them

23:10 Speaker 13: ounta in CD, and it was an album called Well

23:14 Speaker 13: my Acoustic Guitar gently Weeps.

23:17 Speaker 4: I love it and it's instrumental, it is it's.

23:22 Speaker 13: It's fourteen Beatles instrumentals and released that on CD and

23:27 Speaker 13: it did okay. It's sold in lots of countries and

23:31 Speaker 13: it seem to do okay.

23:34 Speaker 4: I'm curious as a music industry guy, was it challenging

23:39 Speaker 4: at all? I assume did you have a label or

23:41 Speaker 4: a distributor that you worked with, because I'm curious about

23:44 Speaker 4: you know, if you're covering Beatles songs, that's not always

23:47 Speaker 4: necessarily easy to get all your ducks in a row,

23:52 Speaker 4: at least certainly not in the United States. To really

23:56 Speaker 4: make sure you've got everything nailed down legally so that

23:59 Speaker 4: you can do that without running in any trouble. I'm

24:03 Speaker 4: curious about that part of it.

24:05 Speaker 13: Okay, I did that. What you have to do is

24:08 Speaker 13: you have to apply for a license from I think

24:10 Speaker 13: it's the MCPS Mechanical Copyright Protection Society or something, and okay,

24:18 Speaker 13: you send them a list of songs and they'll send

24:21 Speaker 13: you a bill for some like four hundred pounds. You

24:23 Speaker 13: pay the bill and then they send you a license

24:25 Speaker 13: and that allows you to press things physically in like

24:29 Speaker 13: a CD factory. Without that license, you can't go ahead.

24:35 Speaker 13: So once you paid for the license, you can get

24:37 Speaker 13: them pressed and then they get delivered and then you

24:39 Speaker 13: can send them off. And I did that again on

24:41 Speaker 13: my own label. Oh, so do things like bang camp.

24:46 Speaker 4: Okay, Oh that sounds relatively. That's that's more straightforward than

24:50 Speaker 4: I would have expected. That's well, that's great, okay, all right.

24:55 Speaker 13: Yeah, I didn't have to ask any permission. I think

24:58 Speaker 13: you just just have to buy the license and that's

25:02 Speaker 13: the only legal requirement. That'll be limited to the number

25:07 Speaker 13: that you can press as well.

25:09 Speaker 4: Oh they do okay, okay, yeah, no, that's still though.

25:12 Speaker 4: That's much simpler in streamlined than I would have expected.

25:15 Speaker 4: That's that's fantastic. How was the response to it when

25:17 Speaker 4: you released it?

25:19 Speaker 13: It was good to got good reviews and it sold

25:22 Speaker 13: I think I remember it was USA, Canada, UK, and Japan.

25:26 Speaker 13: It seems to sell quite well.

25:28 Speaker 4: Outstanding. Oh, very good, very good.

25:30 Speaker 13: And you know, just just from an initial tryout of

25:33 Speaker 13: listening to it in the car.

25:35 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and this was I'm sorry about that.

25:39 Speaker 13: There's a really starting about twenty twelve.

25:41 Speaker 4: Twenty twelve, okay, that's what I was wondering.

25:43 Speaker 13: Yeah, some copies available out there somewhere. Oh wow, Okay,

25:47 Speaker 13: it's worth checking out if a Beatle's fine and you

25:49 Speaker 13: want to listen to something different.

25:51 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, I'm curious. So then okay, So

25:55 Speaker 4: then was Northern Seoul the next thing that you released

25:59 Speaker 4: or was there something else between between.

26:03 Speaker 13: I think it might have been the Bitter Springs in

26:05 Speaker 13: between that I got asked by the Bitter Springs to

26:08 Speaker 13: initially play bass for them. That's quite funny story because

26:14 Speaker 13: I got a call from the the lead singer, Simon Rivers.

26:18 Speaker 13: He found me up and said, do you play bass?

26:20 Speaker 13: So I just said yes, I'm not. After I went

26:23 Speaker 13: out and bought a bass. I played it much before,

26:28 Speaker 13: so I got one and within a couple of weeks

26:31 Speaker 13: we were playing gigs in the Spain.

26:33 Speaker 4: Oh I'll be damned, but you were already playing guitar.

26:36 Speaker 13: Right, Yes, so it wasn't wasn't too difficult to learn.

26:39 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't.

26:41 Speaker 11: So.

26:41 Speaker 4: I'm a bass player myself, and I know that my

26:43 Speaker 4: fellow bass players hate when I say this, but yeah,

26:47 Speaker 4: if you can play guitar, you can play the bass.

26:50 Speaker 4: I mean, it's just it's just a fact. It's just

26:55 Speaker 4: a fact. So no, So that's great, and you you

26:57 Speaker 4: really kind of sees that opportunity. Now, when Northern Soul

27:00 Speaker 4: came out, you got a fair amount of radio support

27:03 Speaker 4: for that over there, didn't you. Yeah, the.

27:08 Speaker 13: The lead track off it, I think it was called

27:10 Speaker 13: I Get the Feeling, got played on so many radio stations,

27:14 Speaker 13: got really good feedback from it because it, you know,

27:17 Speaker 13: it seems like quite a happy song musically, it sounds

27:21 Speaker 13: nice and bright on the radio.

27:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's cool. We might we might play that at

27:27 Speaker 4: the at the end of the segment actually, because I

27:30 Speaker 4: think I think that would be appropriate. Oh yep, I

27:34 Speaker 4: found it. I found it online. Excellent, excellent. So then

27:38 Speaker 4: how is your approach change? Because that was twenty nineteen,

27:40 Speaker 4: so obviously that was seven years ago. I mean, has

27:43 Speaker 4: your approach changed in terms of how you were recording,

27:48 Speaker 4: writing and recording then versus how you're doing it now

27:50 Speaker 4: with like the new single money Can't Buy Me Love,

27:53 Speaker 4: for example.

27:56 Speaker 13: No, that was just it was a similar approach to

28:02 Speaker 13: when I recorded Ann Sold and book a studio and

28:06 Speaker 13: then get some friends to come and help me on

28:09 Speaker 13: things like bass and guitar, and I do all the

28:11 Speaker 13: other bits that That was the initial recording process. But

28:16 Speaker 13: now I've got my own home studio where I can

28:19 Speaker 13: record at home.

28:22 Speaker 10: So I've.

28:24 Speaker 13: Now got the problem of what I've recorded at home,

28:27 Speaker 13: I need to take that to a studio to mix

28:29 Speaker 13: it so we can get a better sound. That can

28:32 Speaker 13: at home. But I'm just trying to get my head

28:34 Speaker 13: around how to do that because I'm not very good

28:36 Speaker 13: at this recording technology out there that can help me.

28:40 Speaker 4: So sure, sure, absolutely. We live in a time too

28:44 Speaker 4: where there's so many different ways to do it. There's

28:46 Speaker 4: so many different ways to record.

28:47 Speaker 12: And.

28:49 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm confident you'll get it all figured out. Is

28:53 Speaker 4: money can't buy me love? Is that going to be

28:55 Speaker 4: on an upcoming EP or album or what's kind of

28:58 Speaker 4: the your forward trajector there, or is this just going

29:01 Speaker 4: to be a single?

29:02 Speaker 13: It's just going to be a single at the moment,

29:04 Speaker 13: what I'm going to do. What I'm going to do

29:06 Speaker 13: is just release singles. At the moment, I was gonna say,

29:12 Speaker 13: I'm not in the mood to release an album. Yeah,

29:15 Speaker 13: but I just want to write a good song, record

29:19 Speaker 13: it and then release it. And then then I was

29:23 Speaker 13: thinking about this the other day. Once I've done like

29:25 Speaker 13: twelve singles, I can release it and call it the

29:28 Speaker 13: greatest hit.

29:30 Speaker 4: That's a good idea. Well, you know, and a lot

29:34 Speaker 4: of artists who now they kind of do, you know,

29:37 Speaker 4: because when I was growing up, it was, you know,

29:40 Speaker 4: every everybody released albums or you might see an artist

29:42 Speaker 4: occasionally release an EP, mostly albums, you know, and then

29:46 Speaker 4: you'd have singles from that album. Usually first single goes

29:48 Speaker 4: to radio six to eight weeks before the album, and

29:51 Speaker 4: then if the album comes out and it goes well,

29:53 Speaker 4: then you get a second single, maybe a third. But

29:55 Speaker 4: now a lot of artists are doing just literally the

29:58 Speaker 4: inverse of that. They release a series of singles that

30:01 Speaker 4: eventually coalesce into an official album. And nothing wrong with that,

30:07 Speaker 4: you know, in terms of I mean algorithmically, I think

30:08 Speaker 4: it works well with Spotify and some of these streaming services,

30:12 Speaker 4: so yeah, not a bad approach.

30:15 Speaker 13: I was thinking about, you know, the singles the albums thing,

30:20 Speaker 13: because with like things that Instagram and Spotify, albums still valid.

30:26 Speaker 13: People's attention spans are quite short now, you know, it'll

30:29 Speaker 13: probably only stretch to about thirty seconds to a minute

30:32 Speaker 13: on Instagram or song on Spotify.

30:36 Speaker 11: So.

30:38 Speaker 13: You know, an album doesn't see it seem valid to

30:41 Speaker 13: me at the moment, right, I'd rather just like go

30:45 Speaker 13: at the flow and release something, promote that, hope it sells,

30:50 Speaker 13: and then move on to the next thing, YEP, which

30:53 Speaker 13: it is good because I'm building up like a set

30:56 Speaker 13: list for live gigs as well, get it, you know,

30:59 Speaker 13: to get it, get it longer and longer, right, so

31:03 Speaker 13: when I play live, that would be my album.

31:05 Speaker 4: Oh okay, there you go. That makes sense. That makes sense.

31:11 Speaker 13: Just that Instagram thing and people's people's attention to things

31:18 Speaker 13: seems to be quite small at the moment, always sticking

31:20 Speaker 13: through their phone, listening to something for ten seconds and

31:23 Speaker 13: then they look at something else.

31:24 Speaker 4: And yeah, absolutely, absolutely, well Andrew, it's it's wonderful to

31:31 Speaker 4: have you on. Like I said, we really like the

31:33 Speaker 4: song money Can't Buy Me Love, and we will certainly

31:39 Speaker 4: spend that again in the future. And you know, the

31:41 Speaker 4: next single when whenever that is? I mean, do you

31:42 Speaker 4: know when your your next single? Do you have an

31:44 Speaker 4: eta on when the next one might be out? Or

31:46 Speaker 4: I know you're focused on money Can't Buy Me Love

31:48 Speaker 4: at the moment, So I don't know if you if

31:50 Speaker 4: you have any idea, because we'd love to play the

31:51 Speaker 4: next one too when it's ready, But I don't know

31:53 Speaker 4: if you if you have kind of an idea of

31:56 Speaker 4: when that might be.

31:59 Speaker 13: There will be something out. The Money Can't Buy Me

32:02 Speaker 13: Love singles done quite well. So that spared me on

32:06 Speaker 13: to think about releasing something else. And I've got another

32:08 Speaker 13: song called Time Waster, which is ready to go, and

32:13 Speaker 13: I'm just thinking of a time, maybe July or September

32:16 Speaker 13: to release that, okay, And it's a similar sort of

32:20 Speaker 13: format harmonica, guitar, drum machine with a strong harmonica hook.

32:27 Speaker 13: But this song is about it's good. It's about fellow musicians.

32:33 Speaker 13: Although the musicians who came into the studio were great,

32:37 Speaker 13: the other musicians. You said that you played bass. It

32:43 Speaker 13: must have been in bands before. And you know, have

32:45 Speaker 13: musicians act headline slats of festivals built building up and

32:56 Speaker 13: there might before musicians just ring me up and say

32:58 Speaker 13: oh I can't do the gigs and all right. Yeah,

33:01 Speaker 13: so that that really got me. I just thought, why

33:04 Speaker 13: are they like this.

33:07 Speaker 10: There?

33:07 Speaker 13: Old time wasted? So Time Wasted is a song about

33:10 Speaker 13: musicians wasting your time?

33:13 Speaker 4: Oh that is that is perfect? And yeah, anyone who's

33:17 Speaker 4: ever anyone who's ever been a musician, and you know

33:22 Speaker 4: we all know the pain of that.

33:27 Speaker 13: In a band.

33:27 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely, Andrew. So before we let you go,

33:32 Speaker 4: where's the best place for people to go to keep

33:34 Speaker 4: up with everything that you're doing? Where should they go online?

33:37 Speaker 13: It's my main website, which was andrewdv dot com. You'll

33:41 Speaker 13: find everything you need to.

33:42 Speaker 4: Know there outstanding, outstanding. No, that's easy, that's easy. So

33:47 Speaker 4: in a moment, we're gonna play. Uh, I'm gonna play.

33:50 Speaker 4: I get the feeling. I'm really curious to hear that

33:52 Speaker 4: and to share that with our listeners. But it's been

33:54 Speaker 4: wonderful to talk with you today, and we'll definitely do

33:56 Speaker 4: this in the future. It sounds like you've got a

33:58 Speaker 4: lot of a lot of new music coming up in

34:00 Speaker 4: your future, so we'll absolutely have you back when the

34:03 Speaker 4: next singles ready, and we will keep in touch. But

34:06 Speaker 4: I really want to thank you for being with us today.

34:09 Speaker 13: Thanks very much, just being a pleasure.

34:11 Speaker 4: All Right, we will do it again in the future.

34:12 Speaker 4: My friend, I'm going to hit this track and we'll

34:14 Speaker 4: let you go for now, but we'll talk to you soon.

34:17 Speaker 13: Okay, Thanks very much.

34:18 Speaker 4: You got it. Bye bye, hey bye bye. All right.

34:22 Speaker 4: That is the great Andrew Devi and he's got the

34:25 Speaker 4: new single money Can't Buy Me Love. But right now

34:28 Speaker 4: we're going to play. This is a previous track that

34:29 Speaker 4: he mentioned. He's had a lot of success with This

34:32 Speaker 4: came out on Northern Soul back in twenty nineteen, and

34:35 Speaker 4: let's give this a listen. This is called I get

34:37 Speaker 4: the feeling.

35:08 Speaker 10: I got the feeling. So what I believe in when

35:14 Speaker 10: I'm sitting next to you, that chats are real good

35:21 Speaker 10: because it's a open.

35:24 Speaker 6: And I don't know what to.

35:29 Speaker 10: When you're Wellness said it By, I just know going bye.

35:39 Speaker 10: I always know that I got Bie. I know, I

35:44 Speaker 10: said of one of why I I understand that watch

36:09 Speaker 10: y'all deb that I know all the things that you

36:13 Speaker 10: lay major.

36:16 Speaker 4: I shut up guys.

36:19 Speaker 11: By discussed.

36:21 Speaker 10: I have so because of you.

36:26 Speaker 12: My well, it's just typed.

36:31 Speaker 10: Now it's no you go it by. I always though

36:37 Speaker 10: that I got By and now I said, I was

36:43 Speaker 10: so why and by ol it's just tip by Now

37:09 Speaker 10: it's not get it five.

37:14 Speaker 4: I always know.

37:15 Speaker 10: That I got.

37:18 Speaker 14: I Now I said, I don't wanna go away.

37:32 Speaker 4: That as I get the feeling. That is Andrew DV

38:23 Speaker 4: from the album Northern Seoul. And thank you again Andrew

38:27 Speaker 4: DV for joining us today. That was great to speak

38:29 Speaker 4: with him. Of course, we did feature his brand News

38:31 Speaker 4: single money Can't Buy Me Love, and I really enjoyed

38:34 Speaker 4: that a lot too. This is Matt Connorton. Unleashed. We

38:37 Speaker 4: are live, of course from the studios of WMNH ninety

38:39 Speaker 4: five point three FM, and of course you can stream

38:41 Speaker 4: the show from anywhere. Go to Matt connorton dot com

38:45 Speaker 4: slash live. We do have a little bit of time

38:48 Speaker 4: some music industry news here. This is from Music Businessworldwide

38:53 Speaker 4: dot com. I guess it was only a matter of

38:55 Speaker 4: time before something like this happened. Streaming fraud man who

39:00 Speaker 4: pocketed eight million dollars using hundreds of thousands of AI

39:05 Speaker 4: songs streamed billions of times by bots pleads guilty. So

39:11 Speaker 4: this guy set up a pretty elaborate scheme here, it says.

39:16 Speaker 4: The man at the center of what's been described as

39:18 Speaker 4: the first ever criminal prosecution for AI assisted streaming fraud

39:22 Speaker 4: in the US has pleaded guilty. Michael Smith of Cornelius,

39:26 Speaker 4: North Carolina, pleaded guilty on March nineteenth to one count

39:30 Speaker 4: of conspiracy to commit wirefraud before US District Judge John G.

39:35 Speaker 4: Coelty in the Southern District of New York. By the way,

39:39 Speaker 4: I feel like wirefraud is anything that isn't specific to uh,

39:44 Speaker 4: you know, if it's not shoplifting or murder or something,

39:47 Speaker 4: it's wirefraud. You ever feel like that, Like, just wirefraud

39:51 Speaker 4: is like this weird sort of catch all.

39:53 Speaker 14: Well, because it ended up morphing into the Internet.

39:56 Speaker 4: Right, anything involving anything electronic winds up becoming wire fraud.

40:00 Speaker 10: Yep.

40:02 Speaker 4: The charge carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison.

40:05 Speaker 4: Smith has also agreed to pay over eight million dollars

40:08 Speaker 4: in forfeiture. Why does he actually still have it as

40:12 Speaker 4: just sitting in a bank account somewhere? I wonder I

40:14 Speaker 4: like it? Smith? The schedule to be sentenced on July

40:17 Speaker 4: twenty nine. US attorney Jay Clayton said, quote, Michael Smith

40:21 Speaker 4: generated thousands of fake songs using artificial intelligence and then

40:27 Speaker 4: streamed those fake songs billions of times. Although the songs

40:32 Speaker 4: and listeners were fake, the millions of dollars Smith stole

40:36 Speaker 4: was real, millions of dollars in royalties that Smith diverted

40:41 Speaker 4: from real deserving artists and rights holders. Unquote. So the

40:46 Speaker 4: guy so he figured out, I mean, it's creative and ambitious.

40:50 Speaker 4: He figured out how to create all these AI songs

40:53 Speaker 4: and then create bots that would stream them. Because obviously

40:56 Speaker 4: the more streams you get, the more money you get

40:58 Speaker 4: if you're the artist, That's that's the thing right there.

41:00 Speaker 14: It's not so much the creating the songs with AI

41:03 Speaker 14: as it is the creating the bots and getting them

41:07 Speaker 14: to play the songs over and over and over against

41:09 Speaker 14: so he could get money. Right that that's the that's

41:12 Speaker 14: the real stinky part. Yeah, And in that I do

41:15 Speaker 14: agree that it is taking money away from johenuine artists.

41:19 Speaker 4: Right it says. Smith was first arrested in September twenty

41:24 Speaker 4: twenty four in what was the first criminal case of

41:28 Speaker 4: its kind in the US. Like I said, it was

41:31 Speaker 4: inevitable at that time. He was charged with three felony counts,

41:35 Speaker 4: wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy, and money laundering conspiracy, each

41:41 Speaker 4: carrying a maximum sentence of twenty years in prison. As

41:45 Speaker 4: Music Bausiness Worldwide report it, Smith initially pleaded not guilty

41:48 Speaker 4: in front of the judge in September twenty twenty four

41:51 Speaker 4: and was released on a half million dollars bail. And

41:56 Speaker 4: by the way, if any of those charges sound redundant,

41:58 Speaker 4: wire fraud, wirefl broad conspiracy, money laundering conspiracy. You know

42:03 Speaker 4: when they when they charge you with these things, they

42:05 Speaker 4: they try to charge you with everything they possibly can, Right,

42:09 Speaker 4: So that see what can stick, see what can stick,

42:11 Speaker 4: or if there ends up in.

42:13 Speaker 14: Charge per instance. So if there's one instance and then

42:15 Speaker 14: there's another instance, then that's two charges.

42:18 Speaker 4: And if there ends up being an opportunity for some

42:22 Speaker 4: sort of a plea deal, you don't want to you know,

42:24 Speaker 4: if you're the prosecutors, you want to be able to

42:26 Speaker 4: negotiate from you know, you want to have as many

42:29 Speaker 4: things on the table as possible, right, so you know,

42:32 Speaker 4: if you in other words, if the uh, if the

42:36 Speaker 4: defense wants to plead something down, well you got to

42:39 Speaker 4: have as many things available to plead down from.

42:43 Speaker 12: Right.

42:44 Speaker 4: Yep. So it says today's guilty plea to a single

42:48 Speaker 4: conspiracy count carrying a max so they did. They did

42:52 Speaker 4: a plead down carrying a maximum of five years rather

42:56 Speaker 4: than the combined sixty years he previously faced. Represents a

43:00 Speaker 4: significant reduction in Smith's legal exposure. According to the charging

43:05 Speaker 4: documents and statements made in court, Smith created thousands of

43:08 Speaker 4: bought accounts on streaming platforms including Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify,

43:13 Speaker 4: and YouTube Music, and used software to cause those accounts

43:17 Speaker 4: to continuously stream songs that he owned. Smith spread his

43:22 Speaker 4: automated streams across thousands of songs to avoid triggering the

43:26 Speaker 4: platform's anti fraud detection systems. To obtain the volume of

43:31 Speaker 4: tracks needed for the scheme to work, Smith turned to AI,

43:34 Speaker 4: using it to generate hundreds of thousands of songs Wow.

43:38 Speaker 4: Those songs were streamed by his bought accounts billions of times,

43:42 Speaker 4: allowing him to fraudulently collect more than eight million dollars

43:46 Speaker 4: in royalties. At the peak of his operation. According to

43:51 Speaker 4: the Department of Justice, Smith estimated that his bots could

43:55 Speaker 4: generate approximately six hundred sixty one thousand, four hundred forty

44:00 Speaker 4: streams per day, yielding annual royalties of over one point

44:05 Speaker 4: two million. The Mechanical Licensing Collective the MLC, which distributes

44:10 Speaker 4: mechanical royalties from streaming in the US, played a key

44:13 Speaker 4: role in identifying the fraud scheme. In a statement following

44:17 Speaker 4: today's guilty plea, the MLC said, quote, Today's news highlights

44:21 Speaker 4: the serious threat that streaming fraud poses to the music

44:23 Speaker 4: industry and the important role the MLC plays and confronting it.

44:28 Speaker 4: We appreciate the Department of Justice's swift action, recognizing that

44:32 Speaker 4: the MLC identified the fraud early, challenged Smith and his

44:36 Speaker 4: representatives and prevented the diversion of mechanical royalties away from

44:40 Speaker 4: rightful songwriters. The MLC will continue to invest in anomaly

44:43 Speaker 4: detection and fraud prevention to protect our members, and we

44:47 Speaker 4: will continue to collaborate with other industry organizations and law

44:51 Speaker 4: enforcement to protect all songwriting royalties unquote. The MLC had

44:57 Speaker 4: previously raised concerns about Smith's catalog, questioning how he could

45:01 Speaker 4: produce such a high volume of music so quickly. Smith

45:05 Speaker 4: and his representatives denied at the time that his works

45:09 Speaker 4: were AI generated.

45:11 Speaker 14: Well, of course, he's trying to game the system, and

45:15 Speaker 14: he did. His problem was he was too greedy. He

45:18 Speaker 14: didn't quit while it was head.

45:19 Speaker 4: Now he's in jail. Yeah, well that's what happens. I

45:22 Speaker 4: mean true, you know, that's that's how people get caught.

45:25 Speaker 4: They get greedy.

45:26 Speaker 14: Yep, you know, thousands of songs though. Wow, Yeah, he

45:31 Speaker 14: definitely was was determined. Yeah, but it is crappy if

45:36 Speaker 14: that's happened. With that happening that it does rip off

45:39 Speaker 14: for a artist, because you know, all he's doing is

45:41 Speaker 14: just game in the system. With these bots that are

45:44 Speaker 14: playing the song. It's not human, nobody's hearing it for real.

45:48 Speaker 14: It's just a computer program playing repeat.

45:52 Speaker 4: But also in doing that, you know, everything that you

45:57 Speaker 4: do online leaves a digital footprint. It's like he had

46:02 Speaker 4: to know on some level eventually he was going to

46:04 Speaker 4: get caught, unless he was just so blinded by his screen.

46:07 Speaker 4: That's something I'm always fascinated by when when I see

46:11 Speaker 4: stories like this is the psychology of it is very

46:14 Speaker 4: interesting to me because they must know on some level,

46:18 Speaker 4: whether they're admitting the admitting it to themselves or not.

46:22 Speaker 4: Maybe it's subconscious, but they must know they're going to

46:24 Speaker 4: get caught because everything that you do online, you know, it's.

46:29 Speaker 14: Like a bank I think they think they're not going

46:31 Speaker 14: to get caught. Maybe they're going to get away with

46:33 Speaker 14: it because they figured something new out, or maybe they

46:36 Speaker 14: figured out how to use the computer a different way.

46:38 Speaker 4: Bank robberies always make me think about this too, Like

46:42 Speaker 4: whenever I see a story, I ever hear of one

46:43 Speaker 4: getting away. Well, that's the thing. Whenever I see a

46:45 Speaker 4: story about a bank robbery, it's always to me, it's

46:47 Speaker 4: always like people still even attempt to rob banks. There's

46:52 Speaker 4: there's no chance you're going to get away with it.

46:54 Speaker 14: When's the last time you heard of somebody actually getting

46:56 Speaker 14: away with it. It doesn't happen exactly. I mean Bonnie

46:59 Speaker 14: and Clyde didn't get away with it in the year,

47:01 Speaker 14: you know, twenty twenty six. With all the technology that

47:03 Speaker 14: we have, nobody's getting away with that. But where people

47:06 Speaker 14: still try, Like somebody will still walk into a bank

47:09 Speaker 14: and just hand the teller a note and think that

47:11 Speaker 14: they're gonna that they're gonna get away with it. Why

47:14 Speaker 14: do you think there's so many Karen videos? What do

47:17 Speaker 14: you mean there's so many videos of people doing bad behaviors? Yeah,

47:21 Speaker 14: because people too bad behaviors fite the fact.

47:25 Speaker 4: That you should be smart enough to know there's a

47:28 Speaker 4: camera everywhere. Well, yeah, but I'm talking. I'm talking specifically

47:31 Speaker 4: about crime and just the things that people think they're

47:32 Speaker 4: going to get away with or you know, same category

47:35 Speaker 4: in my book or the or the cup. Well we

47:37 Speaker 4: you know, we open the think they're gonna get away

47:39 Speaker 4: with it. Look what we opened the show with the

47:40 Speaker 4: cops rated Afroman's home. Yep, they didn't get away with it.

47:45 Speaker 4: There were cameras all throughout away thought they were going

47:47 Speaker 4: to get away with that.

47:48 Speaker 14: Yeah, then when they realized there were cameras, they cut

47:49 Speaker 14: the cameras, but that was too late.

47:51 Speaker 4: Yep. Yeah, and that just made them look all the

47:53 Speaker 4: more guilty. The other question this raises in my mind

47:56 Speaker 4: is how many other people are doing this? You just

47:59 Speaker 4: haven't been.

48:00 Speaker 14: There's gonna be some kind of a program that allows

48:02 Speaker 14: people to create these bought accounts as well. Yeah, because

48:07 Speaker 14: on the other side is seeing that as a.

48:08 Speaker 4: Human Yeah, well, this guy was obviously very very smart.

48:14 Speaker 4: I mean, he's probably got a genius now, yeah, but

48:17 Speaker 4: he's probably well, I mean, his judgment is one thing,

48:19 Speaker 4: but in terms of being able to pull this off,

48:20 Speaker 4: and he's probably got a genius level IQ to be

48:23 Speaker 4: able to figure out how to do all that and

48:24 Speaker 4: then get away with it for as long as he did.

48:26 Speaker 14: Create a thousands of Like, how do you create that

48:28 Speaker 14: many songs? How do you create that many accounts?

48:30 Speaker 13: Right?

48:31 Speaker 14: I can't imagine how many bought accounts he had right

48:33 Speaker 14: to get them to play enough to get him that

48:35 Speaker 14: kind of money?

48:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, what was it a mill a month or something

48:40 Speaker 4: like that? No, one year? Oh, a year? So he

48:43 Speaker 4: did this over the course of years, Like you got

48:46 Speaker 4: a million go away right, right? Yeah, you do it

48:49 Speaker 4: for a year and then you get out. Yeah, take

48:51 Speaker 4: a million and go comfortably. Take a million, invest it,

48:53 Speaker 4: and you know, live comfortably for the rest of your life.

48:56 Speaker 14: But not not not greed, grotesque greed.

49:00 Speaker 4: Ah, yes, do we not talk about that all the time.

49:03 Speaker 4: I don't want to give anybody the wrong idea though.

49:04 Speaker 4: We're not suggesting that it would have been okay if

49:06 Speaker 4: he had just done this for a year. And you know, no,

49:08 Speaker 4: we're not condoning it. No, we're not condoning crime. I mean,

49:12 Speaker 4: this is criminal activity, and.

49:14 Speaker 14: It thinks because it takes a lot of attention away

49:16 Speaker 14: from real artists. And plus those illicit plays are going

49:20 Speaker 14: to show up, they're gonna try and make those songs

49:23 Speaker 14: go viral by their plays. Yeah, so it messes up

49:28 Speaker 14: a lot for a lot of real people and real artists.

49:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's stinky. Absolutely, it was a little bit

49:38 Speaker 4: more to this. The case was prosecuted by the Complex

49:41 Speaker 4: Fraud and Cyber Crime Unit of the US Attorney's Office

49:44 Speaker 4: for the SDN Y. Assistant US attorneys Nicholas Chucciello and

49:49 Speaker 4: Kevin Mead led the prosecution. The original indictment named unnamed

49:54 Speaker 4: Oh this is interesting, named unnamed coke conspirators, including the

49:58 Speaker 4: CEO of an AI music company and a music promoter

50:02 Speaker 4: who helped Smith produce the AI generated tracks. The legal

50:06 Speaker 4: status their legal status has not yet been publicly disclosed. Oh,

50:10 Speaker 4: because one of the things he was originally charged with

50:12 Speaker 4: was conspiracy. Smith's case, I'm not the price that there

50:17 Speaker 4: are other people involved. Yeah, yeah. His case is the

50:21 Speaker 4: highest profile criminal prosecution for streaming fraud globally, but it's

50:25 Speaker 4: not the only one. In Denmark, a man was sentenced

50:27 Speaker 4: to eighteen months in prison in March twenty twenty four

50:30 Speaker 4: after being found guilty of data fraud and copyright infringement

50:34 Speaker 4: for using bots to inflate the stream count on six

50:37 Speaker 4: hundred and eighty nine tracks uploaded to platforms including Apple Music,

50:40 Speaker 4: Spotify and you See Music. That sentence was subsequently increased

50:46 Speaker 4: by to twenty four months by the Western High Court

50:50 Speaker 4: of Denmark in February of twenty five after judge has

50:53 Speaker 4: found evidence of more extensive fraud than initially proven. So

50:57 Speaker 4: apparently in their system in Denmark you can jeopardy. They

51:02 Speaker 4: could just your sentence. Wow, I think they can do

51:06 Speaker 4: that in the US too. It just doesn't happen for

51:09 Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like there was a weird

51:13 Speaker 4: case charged with something. There was something in the United

51:17 Speaker 4: States where something like that was done, and I think

51:20 Speaker 4: that this was a while ago. I'll have to look

51:23 Speaker 4: it up. I think there's something like that was done

51:25 Speaker 4: where a judge, a higher court judge, overruled somebody else's

51:31 Speaker 4: Oh you know what, I think it was, so a

51:34 Speaker 4: judge had reduced somebody's sentence and then another judge overturned

51:41 Speaker 4: the reduction and restored the original sentence. It was something

51:44 Speaker 4: weird and it was it was no, not exactly, but

51:49 Speaker 4: well it did effectively add more time. But there was

51:52 Speaker 4: something weird like that that happened in the US that

51:54 Speaker 4: made people really upset. Because it's in theory so that's

51:58 Speaker 4: not supposed to happen. But anyway, while we are almost

52:00 Speaker 4: out of time, you want to remind people about mosaic

52:04 Speaker 4: before we go.

52:04 Speaker 14: Absolutely go check out the mosaic Our Collective. Currently the

52:09 Speaker 14: Woman Wise exhibit is up and the exhibit will be

52:13 Speaker 14: up until the thirtieth of this month. The gallery is

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52:26 Speaker 14: calls right now of clear to Me and shaping ourselves

52:29 Speaker 14: and submit your work. If you want to find out

52:31 Speaker 14: more information about me and the good trouble I get into,

52:33 Speaker 14: go to Gencoffee dot com, j E N N co

52:36 Speaker 14: O f f Ey dot com.

52:38 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and if you want to know more about me

52:40 Speaker 4: and everything I'm up to, you can go to my

52:42 Speaker 4: website Matt connorton dot com. And especially if you'd like

52:45 Speaker 4: to book a hypnotherapy session, and if you go to

52:47 Speaker 4: Matt connorton dot com slash hypnosis, that page has been

52:51 Speaker 4: recently updated, so a little bit of streamlining done there,

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52:56 Speaker 4: session or a free consultation. And if you miss any

52:59 Speaker 4: part of a show, of course, it will be up

53:01 Speaker 4: in just a little bit at Matt conorton dot com

53:03 Speaker 4: slash live. No I'm sorry, no, just at just Matt

53:07 Speaker 4: condorton dot com slash archive, I apologize, and of course

53:11 Speaker 4: Wmnhradio dot org. I confuse there, It's okay, Well, you

53:15 Speaker 4: know what it is. I'm distracted by the itching in

53:18 Speaker 4: my eyes. It is uh, it is that sea, it

53:20 Speaker 4: is spring and everything is in blue. My eyes are itchy,

53:25 Speaker 4: but I can take something for that. Thank you again

53:27 Speaker 4: to Ricky Mapleton for joining us. I was last minute things,

53:31 Speaker 4: so yeah, that was that was a lot of fun

53:32 Speaker 4: and of course I Andrew Devi and congratulations once again

53:36 Speaker 4: to Afroman. I think we should end the show as

53:38 Speaker 4: we started with some Afroman. We'll play this, uh, the

53:41 Speaker 4: track that kind of started it all with this whole

53:43 Speaker 4: saga with the police in Ohio. Will you help me

53:46 Speaker 4: repair my door? Will you? And that's it for us

53:51 Speaker 4: for now. We'll talk catch you a little bit later.

53:53 Speaker 4: Bye everybody, bye bye.

54:27 Speaker 12: Will you help me repair my gay?

54:33 Speaker 11: Will you help me repair my door?

54:39 Speaker 12: Did you find what you.

54:40 Speaker 4: Was looking for? Will you help me repair my gay

54:49 Speaker 4: and door?

54:55 Speaker 11: Would you like a slice of living pound cake? You

55:01 Speaker 11: can take as much as you want to take them

55:06 Speaker 11: must be a big mistake. Would you like to have

55:13 Speaker 11: a slice of my limon pound care? The warrant said,

55:24 Speaker 11: narcotics said kidnapping? The warrants said, narcotics and kidnapping? Are

55:33 Speaker 11: you kidding? I make my money rapping. Why does the

55:39 Speaker 11: warrant say narcotics? Well, I know narcotics, but why kidnapping?

55:47 Speaker 11: Let me ask you something opposerte any kidnapping victims inside

55:52 Speaker 11: my suit pockets? Are there any kidnapping victims inside my

55:58 Speaker 11: soup pockets?

56:01 Speaker 4: You cooked cops need to stop it.

56:05 Speaker 11: They're off No kidnapping.

56:07 Speaker 4: Victims in my soup pocket.

56:14 Speaker 15: Let me ask you another question.

56:17 Speaker 11: Is there a thousand tounds of weed in my soup pockets?

56:22 Speaker 11: Is there a thousand pounds of weed in my soup pockets?

56:28 Speaker 11: You cooking cops need to stop it. There's not a

56:34 Speaker 11: million pounds of weed in my soup hockets. Let me

56:42 Speaker 11: ask you something else. Any kidnapping victims inside my CD?

56:50 Speaker 11: Any kidnapping victims inside my CDs? The Adams County Sheriff's Department,

56:57 Speaker 11: you can get these. There are no kidnapping victims in

57:03 Speaker 11: my in my CDs? How many pounds of weed are

57:13 Speaker 11: inside my CDs? How many pounds of weed are inside

57:19 Speaker 11: my CDs?

57:22 Speaker 4: Adams got to share? You can get these.

57:27 Speaker 11: How many pounds of weed did you find in my CD?

57:39 Speaker 11: Why are you stealing my money? Why are you stealing

57:47 Speaker 11: my money? You represent the LUH and it's funny you're

57:54 Speaker 11: still in my legal work.

57:57 Speaker 12: Hard every day?

57:59 Speaker 11: Hey taxes money. The sheriff disconnected my cameras. The sheriff

58:13 Speaker 11: disconnecting my cameras.

58:17 Speaker 4: The sheriff should be locked up in slammers.

58:21 Speaker 11: The Adams County Sheriff Department disconnected my camera.

58:33 Speaker 15: Did you have to traumatize my kids? Did you have

58:40 Speaker 15: to traumatize my keys? Did you have to traumatize my keys?

58:49 Speaker 15: Did you have to traumatize.

58:55 Speaker 10: My keys?

59:00 Speaker 12: Will you pay me for doing wrong? Will you pay

59:07 Speaker 12: me for doing merong? Will you pay me for doing merong?

59:17 Speaker 4: Will I have thicket?

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