Matt Connarton Unleashed 3-29-25 hour 2

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8:59 Speaker 11: That that is so cool? That is space Casino. We

9:02 Speaker 11: played a couple of their tracks. These guys are let

9:06 Speaker 11: me get Jenny's mike up here. If you are listening

9:08 Speaker 11: live on Saturday. These guys are supposed to be joining us.

9:10 Speaker 11: That's called get Away, a really really cool band from Boston,

9:15 Speaker 11: but a little bit of a transportation issue this morning,

9:18 Speaker 11: so we're hoping that they're able to call in, or

9:20 Speaker 11: at least one of the guys is able to call in.

9:22 Speaker 11: They're supposed to come up from Boston, but they've hit

9:24 Speaker 11: a snag, a little problem, so Jenny's been trying to

9:28 Speaker 11: work that out, so we might. Hopefully we're going to

9:31 Speaker 11: hear from them at ten to fifteen. If not, we'll

9:33 Speaker 11: move on. We have other things we can do, but

9:35 Speaker 11: these things happen, but travel issues, and you know, that's

9:41 Speaker 11: the way it goes.

9:41 Speaker 12: Sometimes. I hate to see anybody get stuck, but we will.

9:44 Speaker 11: If it gets to be ten to fifteen, you know,

9:46 Speaker 11: we'll play one more track of theirs, and if we

9:48 Speaker 11: don't hear from them, we might just have to reschedule.

9:50 Speaker 11: I mean, we'll reschedule regardless, because I'm really interested in

9:54 Speaker 11: meeting these guys. I love their sound. But we will

9:57 Speaker 11: play one more song in a couple of minutes, and

9:59 Speaker 11: then if we're not able to if they're not able

10:01 Speaker 11: to get on the phone with us, then we'll just

10:03 Speaker 11: we'll move on to something else, and then of course

10:04 Speaker 11: we do have in the third hour today, Questing Beast

10:07 Speaker 11: is coming back, which I'm really looking forward to. Love

10:10 Speaker 11: Questing Beast and I love Waiting for Zee. That was

10:13 Speaker 11: so much fun.

10:14 Speaker 5: Question Beast will be filling us in on the first

10:16 Speaker 5: show of the year. Yes, Yes, excited to talk about that.

10:21 Speaker 5: And you guys have got to go check out Terminus

10:23 Speaker 5: if you've never been. It's really cool. I call it

10:25 Speaker 5: like a tartist because you walk in and it seems kind.

10:28 Speaker 12: Of quaint, nice walking into a different world.

10:31 Speaker 5: And then as you explore inside, it gets bigger and

10:34 Speaker 5: bigger and bigger, and Terminus is an incredible playing space. Yeah, absolutely,

10:38 Speaker 5: super comfortable, really intimate. We got to watch Green Yellow there, yes,

10:45 Speaker 5: which was so cool.

10:47 Speaker 12: Yeah. Well you you booked that you worked with Eleanor

10:50 Speaker 12: to get that book and that was very cool. Yeah.

10:52 Speaker 5: The absolutely one of the coolest things I've ever been

10:55 Speaker 5: asked to do.

10:56 Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

10:58 Speaker 11: Oh, we were talking in the hallway, so Waiting for

11:00 Speaker 11: z got done. And of course, you know, I went

11:01 Speaker 11: to high school with Xander Xander Carlson and and I

11:05 Speaker 11: may have actually worked with Scott at Strawberries in a

11:09 Speaker 11: different story. We were talking and you know, there is

11:11 Speaker 11: something familiar about him and and uh, so we may have.

11:15 Speaker 11: We probably met at some point. We didn't work in

11:17 Speaker 11: the same store, but I used to go help out

11:19 Speaker 11: in the store that he worked at, so we probably

11:21 Speaker 11: did meet at some point.

11:23 Speaker 12: I never thought would go away Strawberries.

11:26 Speaker 5: Strawberries was Spencer's.

11:28 Speaker 11: Well, they got bought out by trans World, which owns

11:31 Speaker 11: f y E and f YE still exists, but so

11:34 Speaker 11: it didn't really go away, but it just got gobbled up.

11:36 Speaker 11: But that company had a lot of problems. But anyway, Yeah,

11:41 Speaker 11: Xander was talking about in the hallway about uh, we're

11:43 Speaker 11: talking a little bit about Kiss because Xander also a

11:46 Speaker 11: huge Kiss fan. And back when I was working at

11:49 Speaker 11: Strawberries and conquered Carnival of Souls, there was a bootleg

11:53 Speaker 11: of a Kiss album called Carnival of Souls, and Carnival

11:56 Speaker 11: had been delayed because they were making that album with

11:59 Speaker 11: Bruce Click and Eric Singer, who were the non makeup

12:03 Speaker 11: version of Kiss at that point. But as they were

12:08 Speaker 11: in the studio making Carnival of Souls, Gene Simmons and

12:11 Speaker 11: Paul Stanley were also in negotiations to reunite and put

12:14 Speaker 11: the makeup back on with Ace Frehley and Peter Chris,

12:17 Speaker 11: so Carnival of Souls was done, but it ended up

12:21 Speaker 11: getting delayed because of the reunion tour with Uh in

12:25 Speaker 11: full makeup with the original lineup of Kiss. So Carnival

12:29 Speaker 11: ended up getting shelved. But because it was shelved, you know,

12:32 Speaker 11: Kiss fans, you know, we tend to be pretty rabid

12:34 Speaker 11: and we want to you know, if we know about something,

12:37 Speaker 11: we want to hear it. So it ended up getting bootlegged.

12:39 Speaker 11: Somehow it got out, and it was it was very

12:43 Speaker 11: heavily bootlegged. And I was able to get my hands

12:46 Speaker 11: on a bootleg copy of Carnival of Souls before it

12:48 Speaker 11: was released and Uh, and so I had made a

12:51 Speaker 11: copy for Xander and shared it around and eventually it

12:54 Speaker 11: did come out. Eventually it came out and Uh, but

12:56 Speaker 11: it came out two years after it was recorded. And

12:59 Speaker 11: such a great album too, although very polarizing among Kiss fans,

13:03 Speaker 11: but I love it and Xander loves it.

13:05 Speaker 5: What did you think about them holding it back?

13:08 Speaker 11: Well, I understood why they held it back. It wasn't

13:10 Speaker 11: the band's decision, it was the record label's decision. But

13:13 Speaker 11: from the point of the label, it didn't make sense

13:17 Speaker 11: to put out this. They thought it would be confusing

13:20 Speaker 11: to the marketplace. Okay, Kisses now reformed the original lineup.

13:25 Speaker 11: They've done this reunion in full makeup. They do this

13:27 Speaker 11: huge tour and everything. Oh and by the way, here's

13:30 Speaker 11: this album without them in makeup with the previous lineup.

13:33 Speaker 5: Were there any theories on how it got leaked?

13:36 Speaker 12: No, who knows how this.

13:38 Speaker 11: I mean, it's usually somebody, somebody connected to you know,

13:42 Speaker 11: the recording studio or whomever.

13:44 Speaker 12: I mean it. You know, it happens. It happens all

13:46 Speaker 12: the time, or at least it used to happen all

13:47 Speaker 12: the time.

13:48 Speaker 5: I don't know how much they got paid.

13:49 Speaker 11: I don't know if in the digital era it happens.

13:50 Speaker 11: And the boot leg was missing one track. There was

13:53 Speaker 11: one track that was not on the boot leg, and

13:55 Speaker 11: it wasn't great. It wasn't great quality of the bootleg,

13:58 Speaker 11: but it was good enough so you could really get

13:59 Speaker 11: an idea of what it sounded like.

14:00 Speaker 13: And it was.

14:04 Speaker 12: Bruce Culick. No, Bruce Culick.

14:07 Speaker 11: Had sung, had done lead vocals on a song called

14:10 Speaker 11: I Walk Alone, and it was the only time that

14:13 Speaker 11: Bruce had ever done a lead vocal in Kiss, and

14:19 Speaker 11: it was the last track on the album, and for

14:21 Speaker 11: some reason that wasn't on the bootleg, But I just

14:25 Speaker 11: remember listening to the bootleg and my jaw was on

14:27 Speaker 11: the floor because it was so it was so good.

14:29 Speaker 11: It's one of my favorite Kiss albums, but very polarizing

14:32 Speaker 11: because what I noticed at the time was fans my

14:36 Speaker 11: age and younger seemed to really like it, but older

14:42 Speaker 11: fans who'd been with them from the beginning were confused

14:44 Speaker 11: by it because it was very dark and heavy, like

14:49 Speaker 11: to the point of it was kind of like it

14:51 Speaker 11: sounded like a lot of people compared it to Alison Chains.

14:55 Speaker 11: It was like it was like Kiss trying to sound

14:57 Speaker 11: like Seattle, trying trying to fit in, which we now know,

15:01 Speaker 11: based on a lot of things that have been written

15:03 Speaker 11: and that we've learned about, it.

15:04 Speaker 12: Was exactly the idea Kiss was. Yeah, so that's what

15:08 Speaker 12: they were doing.

15:09 Speaker 11: And so fans who don't like Carnival of Souls are like, oh,

15:13 Speaker 11: it's it's just Kiss trying to be trying to sound

15:15 Speaker 11: like Alison Chains.

15:16 Speaker 12: Who wants this?

15:16 Speaker 14: You know?

15:17 Speaker 11: That's not Kiss, whereas other fans like myself. I think

15:21 Speaker 11: Carnival of Souls is absolutely brilliant. And at the time

15:26 Speaker 11: when I listened to it, I wasn't like, oh, they're

15:28 Speaker 11: trying to sound like Alison Chains. I was just like, Wow,

15:30 Speaker 11: this is the heaviest and darkest Kiss has ever sounded,

15:34 Speaker 11: and I really like it. It's I think it's a

15:37 Speaker 11: fantastic album. Yeah, yeah, see now I like that.

15:42 Speaker 5: But you you and I both like the dark stuff too, though.

15:45 Speaker 2: Yeah.

15:45 Speaker 11: I mean I like all Versons, you know, I love

15:49 Speaker 11: I love everything. They're my favorite band, so I love

15:51 Speaker 11: everything they've done. I mean, not literally every song, but

15:53 Speaker 11: I but you know, but whether it's yeah, whether it's

15:56 Speaker 11: the grunge of Carnival of Souls or the metal of

16:00 Speaker 11: Creatures of the Night, or the disco of a song

16:03 Speaker 11: like I Was Made for Loving You, I appreciate all

16:05 Speaker 11: eras and variations of the band.

16:09 Speaker 5: I never thought about that song as disco.

16:11 Speaker 11: But Carnival of Yeah, well it is. Yeah, but Carnival

16:13 Speaker 11: of Souls is. I played a song for you once

16:15 Speaker 11: from that album called Jungle, and you really liked it.

16:19 Speaker 11: This was a long time ago, and they actually that

16:21 Speaker 11: song actually has a minor hit on it.

16:23 Speaker 5: We do a lot of kiss songs that I had

16:25 Speaker 5: never heard of before. Yeah, just because I'd never had

16:28 Speaker 5: the opportunity. Yeah.

16:30 Speaker 11: Well, I also remember you telling me there were a

16:32 Speaker 11: couple songs I played for you. You were like, oh,

16:34 Speaker 11: I do know this song, I didn't know it was

16:35 Speaker 11: kiss right.

16:36 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true too. Yeah, but I think it identifying

16:40 Speaker 5: things like that. I would never ever keep up with

16:42 Speaker 5: you at the nine at nine on retro.

16:44 Speaker 11: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah ever. Yeah, this week's Retrospection Radio

16:48 Speaker 11: was a repeat. But I think I think we're gonna

16:50 Speaker 11: be back live with that next week. I assume that's

16:52 Speaker 11: up to Paul, but that is my assumption. Oh but

16:56 Speaker 11: one other thing though, I wanted to circle back because

16:58 Speaker 11: you had mentioned off of the show your nails. Oh yeah,

17:02 Speaker 11: and uh so Cheryl Krakowski is in the chat room

17:05 Speaker 11: and she heard, she heard what you were saying, and she,

17:08 Speaker 11: uh she said this, she said, just love you right back,

17:11 Speaker 11: Jen coffee.

17:12 Speaker 15: Uh.

17:12 Speaker 11: So many choices dot com? And many is m I

17:16 Speaker 11: oh M A N I. I guess as in manicure.

17:20 Speaker 11: So it's so many, so many choices dot com? But

17:23 Speaker 11: many is M I N M A N I.

17:25 Speaker 12: Sorry.

17:25 Speaker 11: Uh, that's the website so many choices dot com or

17:29 Speaker 11: visit my link tree which is link tree slash Cheryl Krakowski. Uh,

17:34 Speaker 11: we got to keep Jen looking her best, right, my

17:36 Speaker 11: favorite person to spoil. Please support our obsession with Red Aspen.

17:42 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I love it so. Red Aspen is a

17:44 Speaker 5: company that's owned by women and was created as such,

17:49 Speaker 5: and they they support These are like small businesses for

17:53 Speaker 5: these ladies. And Cheryl has been in my life for

17:57 Speaker 5: years now. And she's the one that actually got me

17:59 Speaker 5: into playing with my nails, which was actually a fun

18:03 Speaker 5: thing to do when I gave up wearing makeup because

18:05 Speaker 5: of my eyes, So it was kind of fun to

18:07 Speaker 5: transfer that desire into something unique. And uh yeah, and

18:11 Speaker 5: now she's doing other stuff too with them. They do

18:14 Speaker 5: other products, like I'm curious to find out about the

18:17 Speaker 5: skin cleanser because it's doesn't have all the crappy ingredients

18:21 Speaker 5: and poisons in it. It's cruelty for me, So I'm

18:24 Speaker 5: really wanting to check that out. And I just love

18:28 Speaker 5: her and she always sends me fun prizes. I always

18:30 Speaker 5: get chocolate and my little bunny, I love my bunny.

18:34 Speaker 5: She always sends me things that make me smile. And

18:36 Speaker 5: make me happy. And isn't that wonderful to have in

18:38 Speaker 5: a front Yeah?

18:39 Speaker 12: Oh absolutely no, that is that is excellent. We should

18:43 Speaker 12: uh do we uh know anything?

18:45 Speaker 14: Uh?

18:46 Speaker 12: Definitive.

18:46 Speaker 5: We've got nothing, nothing, not a sound, not nothing.

18:51 Speaker 11: You know what I think I'm gonna do, just because

18:53 Speaker 11: we were talking about it, I'm gonna play So I'm

18:56 Speaker 11: gonna do something unusual. I'm gonna play a kiss song,

18:59 Speaker 11: unusual for we don't usually do that on the show,

19:01 Speaker 11: but because we usually just feature the artists whomever we're

19:04 Speaker 11: featuring that week or previous artists, but just for people

19:07 Speaker 11: who are curious. So that album, Carnival of Souls that

19:12 Speaker 11: some people love, some kiss fans love, and some kiss

19:15 Speaker 11: fans hate, very polarizing personally.

19:16 Speaker 14: I love it.

19:16 Speaker 12: I'm gonna play that song Jungle Jungle.

19:19 Speaker 11: Actually, So even though this album when it was eventually released,

19:22 Speaker 11: it was kind of an afterthought in terms of promotion,

19:26 Speaker 11: this album actually does have a minor hit single on it, Jungle,

19:31 Speaker 11: despite the lack of promotion and despite it being confusion

19:34 Speaker 11: being confusing because it wasn't the version of the band

19:37 Speaker 11: that currently existed. When this album finally came out two

19:41 Speaker 11: years after it was recorded. This track actually did pretty

19:45 Speaker 11: well at radio. Radio gravitated to this so and it's

19:50 Speaker 11: my favorite song on the album Carnival of Souls.

19:52 Speaker 12: So since we we're talking about it, what the hell,

19:54 Speaker 12: we'll go ahead and play this.

19:56 Speaker 11: And then when we come back, Jenny and I, we've

19:58 Speaker 11: got something else to talk about out that was in

20:01 Speaker 11: the news and recently music industry news.

20:03 Speaker 12: I think we'll do that.

20:04 Speaker 11: We're talking about it in the car of the Miley

20:05 Speaker 11: Cyrus Bruno Mars lawsuit and.

20:08 Speaker 12: Then in the third hour.

20:10 Speaker 11: If you are listening live on Saturday, Questing Beast is

20:12 Speaker 11: going to be here with us in studio making their return.

20:15 Speaker 16: But yeah, check this out.

20:16 Speaker 11: And if you're not a Kiss fan, listen to this

20:18 Speaker 11: with an open mind. You might not have heard this song,

20:21 Speaker 11: and you might this might appeal to you. But this

20:24 Speaker 11: is called jungle. This is from Carnival of Souls.

21:00 Speaker 17: Mm hmm, right, the CON's going down one time it

21:25 Speaker 17: comes a line just waking up to take another knights,

21:53 Speaker 17: No nothing left, we got a plack to hide.

21:58 Speaker 1: We'll take the final clapt it not.

22:04 Speaker 8: Stay the.

22:25 Speaker 5: Jo what times it is?

23:01 Speaker 16: Imbe for more than little.

23:04 Speaker 2: Years you get to fris A p so, so the

23:13 Speaker 2: don so that the son take them to the lad.

23:31 Speaker 16: Just what's gonna coming up? I'm gonna coming But that

24:20 Speaker 16: was ever.

24:22 Speaker 1: The gods call one said that so fundable son calling,

24:34 Speaker 1: so well take them so on the soson.

27:16 Speaker 11: There you go, a little kiss for you On a

27:18 Speaker 11: Saturday morning here on Matt Connorton Unleashed, we are live

27:22 Speaker 11: from the studios of wm n H ninety five point

27:26 Speaker 11: three FM in Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. If you are

27:30 Speaker 11: just joining us, of course, we did have a guest

27:32 Speaker 11: scheduled for this hour, but unfortunately that did not work out,

27:38 Speaker 11: so that is fine. But we did get into both

27:41 Speaker 11: actually well, we talked about Kiss both on air and

27:44 Speaker 11: off air, but having a conversation with the guys from

27:46 Speaker 11: Waiting for Z who joined us here in the first

27:48 Speaker 11: hour and they were phenomenal, and Xander and I were

27:51 Speaker 11: kind of reminiscing in the hallway about a Kiss boot

27:54 Speaker 11: leg and that led to me playing Jungle that track

27:57 Speaker 11: on the air that's from a Carnival of Souls, which

28:00 Speaker 11: came out in ninety seven, a couple of years after

28:02 Speaker 11: it was recorded. We talked about the whole history of

28:05 Speaker 11: that earlier. But if you are not a kiss fan,

28:08 Speaker 11: that probably none of that probably matters to you, so

28:11 Speaker 11: we will move on. We did have something else, by

28:13 Speaker 11: the way, we do have questing beats coming up in

28:15 Speaker 11: the third hour if you're listening live.

28:16 Speaker 12: But something else I wanted to talk about.

28:18 Speaker 11: And this has been going on for I don't know,

28:22 Speaker 11: a couple of years now, I guess, but you know,

28:24 Speaker 11: we do like to talk about these things that are

28:25 Speaker 11: going on in the music industry.

28:27 Speaker 12: Sometimes there is controversy and lawsuits and things like that.

28:31 Speaker 11: We talk a lot about AI and the effects of

28:33 Speaker 11: AI on music. But here's but this also kind of

28:37 Speaker 11: relates to a subject that comes up not only on

28:39 Speaker 11: this program, this particular news item, but also that comes

28:45 Speaker 11: up on retro Spectrum Radio with Polly C. Of course,

28:48 Speaker 11: if you don't know, I'm also Polly C's co host

28:51 Speaker 11: on Friday nights on retro Spectrum Radio here at WMNH.

28:55 Speaker 12: And we've done a number.

28:57 Speaker 11: Of shows now that Paul put together on that show

29:01 Speaker 11: where we talk about plagiarism and artists suing other artists

29:06 Speaker 11: for plagiarism. In fact, we've done a couple of episodes

29:11 Speaker 11: entirely dedicated to led Zeppelin, the most plagiaristic. Don't get

29:14 Speaker 11: me wrong, I'm a fan, but the most plagiaristic band

29:18 Speaker 11: and music history. They've they even stole a song. Not

29:20 Speaker 11: only did they steal from a lot of blues artists,

29:22 Speaker 11: they even stole a song from Joan Bias. Yeah, it's wild.

29:26 Speaker 11: So you know, you can go back and check those out.

29:28 Speaker 11: And by the way, so when we're on when we

29:31 Speaker 11: do these shows on Retrospectrum Radio, you know, we'll all

29:34 Speaker 11: kind of put our two cents in. Okay, is this

29:36 Speaker 11: a plagiarism or or is this someone making a false accusation?

29:42 Speaker 11: Is this particular song not plagiarized?

29:45 Speaker 15: You know?

29:45 Speaker 11: And I'm I'm the most lenient when it comes to that.

29:49 Speaker 11: I'm usually the first one to say, not guilty. I

29:52 Speaker 11: don't think this particular instance is an act of plagiarism

29:54 Speaker 11: because I just I look at it as there are

29:59 Speaker 11: certain chord progressions that are just very common throughout pop music,

30:05 Speaker 11: and certain lyrical themes of course, and lyrical themes is

30:09 Speaker 11: gonna that's gonna play a part in what we're about

30:12 Speaker 11: to talk about this particular lawsuit and controversy. Certain lyrical

30:15 Speaker 11: themes that are very common, you know, so, uh so

30:20 Speaker 11: I'm I'm the least likely to say guilty. I think

30:23 Speaker 11: that this person committed plagiarism. I mean, there's some instances

30:26 Speaker 11: that are just undeniable, like like when led Zeppelin stole

30:29 Speaker 11: all that music from those old blues artists, which they

30:32 Speaker 11: have been sued for in some instances successfully, in some

30:36 Speaker 11: instances not so much.

30:38 Speaker 12: But hm.

30:40 Speaker 11: But this one, the particular one, and this one we

30:43 Speaker 11: have not talked about on Retrospectrum Radio because this is

30:46 Speaker 11: something recent and we wouldn't on that show. We wouldn't

30:48 Speaker 11: talk about something as recent as this. But some of

30:51 Speaker 11: you may have heard, of course about the Miley cyrus

30:54 Speaker 11: Her song Flowers being sued by not actually by Bruno

30:58 Speaker 11: Mars directly, but by people who own a stake in

31:01 Speaker 11: the Bruno Mars song When.

31:03 Speaker 12: I Was Your Man.

31:04 Speaker 11: And this one, this particular instance of someone claiming copyright infringement,

31:12 Speaker 11: this particular one drives me nuts.

31:14 Speaker 12: This one is really a.

31:16 Speaker 11: Reach, in my opinion. What do you what do you think, Jenny,

31:19 Speaker 11: do do you think this one's yeah, this one, this

31:22 Speaker 11: one's a stretch. So this is frivolous, now, Jenny, Jenny

31:26 Speaker 11: found something that will give us an update on what's

31:28 Speaker 11: going on with this. But for those who don't know

31:30 Speaker 11: about this, yeah, this is frivolous, all right. So this

31:34 Speaker 11: is I've got an article here from Forbes that I

31:36 Speaker 11: think is the best explainer of what the initial lawsuit

31:39 Speaker 11: is about. Miley Cyrus tries uh tries getting suit that

31:45 Speaker 11: claims Flowers copied a Bruno Mars song dismissed. So this

31:50 Speaker 11: article is from last year, but it uh, and there

31:53 Speaker 11: have been multiple attempts, by the way to get this

31:55 Speaker 11: lawsuit thrown out. And I think it should be thrown

31:57 Speaker 11: out because I think it's ridiculous. But you know, and

32:01 Speaker 11: I'm not you know, I don't have any personal stake

32:03 Speaker 11: in this.

32:03 Speaker 12: By the way.

32:04 Speaker 11: I'm not particularly a fan of either artist. I respect

32:07 Speaker 11: them both tremendously, of course. Miley Cyrus is an incredible

32:10 Speaker 11: singer and I certainly and Bruno Mars, you know, I

32:14 Speaker 11: respect as a singer and a songwriter and whatnot. I'm

32:16 Speaker 11: just neither of them have really put out anything that

32:18 Speaker 11: I personally am that into. But but I do, uh,

32:22 Speaker 11: but I respect them, of course. But here's so this

32:26 Speaker 11: is the explainer from Forbes. Okay, attorney's representing singer Miley

32:30 Speaker 11: Cyrus filed the motion in LA Federal Court to dismiss

32:32 Speaker 11: a lawsuit claiming that her song Flowers lifts lyrics and

32:37 Speaker 11: melodies from the twenty thirteen Bruno Mars song When I

32:40 Speaker 11: Was Your Man, arguing the lawsuit should be tossed because

32:43 Speaker 11: it only represents one of the songs for writers and

32:46 Speaker 11: not Bruno Mars himself, So it's not Bruno Mars. Bruno

32:50 Speaker 11: Mars is not the one bringing the lawsuit himself, but

32:55 Speaker 11: it involves his song when I Was Your Man.

32:58 Speaker 5: When I Was Your Man? Is that what it's called.

33:00 Speaker 11: I'm so not a fan of I don't like the

33:03 Speaker 11: song to begin with When I Was Your Man? Yet,

33:06 Speaker 11: I don't like the song to begin with but anyway,

33:08 Speaker 11: so here are some key facts. Cyrus's attorneys argue the

33:12 Speaker 11: company that filed the lawsuit, Tempo Music Investments and investment

33:16 Speaker 11: group that has acquired the rights to various artists catalogs,

33:19 Speaker 11: does not have standing to sue because it only owns

33:22 Speaker 11: a portion of the rights to the song. Temple Music

33:25 Speaker 11: previously acquired the rights to songwriter Philip Lawrence's catalog, so

33:30 Speaker 11: he's one of the writers of the song. Cyrus's attorneys

33:34 Speaker 11: say the Copyright Act only permits quote a legal or

33:37 Speaker 11: beneficial owner of an exclusive copyright unquote to sue for infringement. So,

33:42 Speaker 11: in other words, they're saying that the people bringing the lawsuit,

33:46 Speaker 11: they have not been harmed in any way, this doesn't

33:48 Speaker 11: affect them, and so forth. I'm kind of skipping through

33:51 Speaker 11: this because I want to get to the part where

33:54 Speaker 11: it explains why the suit itself is silly. Okay, So,

33:57 Speaker 11: Cyrus's attorneys claim the two songs have quote striking differences

34:04 Speaker 11: in melody, chords, other musical elements and words unquote, stating

34:08 Speaker 11: the plaintiff's claim the songs share quote musical building blocks unquote,

34:14 Speaker 11: including some chords and pitches, would not be protected by

34:18 Speaker 11: copyright law. So, in other words, Marie Cyrus's lawyers are saying,

34:22 Speaker 11: the two songs are really different. So, you know it, again,

34:30 Speaker 11: it's a reach to suggest that there's a claim here

34:34 Speaker 11: of any kind is really a stretch, and we'll get

34:37 Speaker 11: into a little bit more of that in a moment, but.

34:43 Speaker 12: Okay.

34:43 Speaker 11: Forbes has reached out to Cyrus's lawyers and Tempo Music

34:47 Speaker 11: Investments for comment. Tempo Music Investments sued Cyrus, as well

34:51 Speaker 11: as companies that says distributed the song Flowers, including Sony Music, Apple, Target,

34:57 Speaker 11: and Walmart, alleging copyright in infringement. The lawsuit alleged the

35:03 Speaker 11: song Flowers would not exist without the exploitation of Mars's

35:09 Speaker 11: song um quote. Any fan of Bruno Mars's song When

35:14 Speaker 11: I Was Your Man knows that my Resyrus's Flowers did

35:18 Speaker 11: not achieve all of that success on its own unquote.

35:23 Speaker 11: The lawsuit states, alleging that Flowers lifts quote numerous melodic,

35:28 Speaker 11: harmonic and lyrical elements of When I Was Your Man unquote.

35:33 Speaker 11: So here's the heart of the matter. The chorus of

35:37 Speaker 11: Flowers does appear to lift some of these statements. In

35:41 Speaker 11: the chorus of When I Was Your Man. In Flowers

35:45 Speaker 11: an Ode to Independence, Cyrus sings, quote, I can buy

35:50 Speaker 11: myself flowers, write my name in the sand, talk to

35:53 Speaker 11: myself for hours, say things you don't understand. I can

35:58 Speaker 11: take myself dancing, I can hold my own hand unquote.

36:03 Speaker 11: In the Bruno Mars song about a man expressing regret

36:05 Speaker 11: for failing to treat his lover well, he sings quote,

36:09 Speaker 11: I should have bought you flowers and held your hand.

36:12 Speaker 11: Should have gave you all my hours when I had

36:15 Speaker 11: the chance take you to every party because all you

36:19 Speaker 11: wanted to do was dance unquote. Now let me just

36:24 Speaker 11: stop here for a moment. Obviously, Yes, the song, the

36:31 Speaker 11: lyrics of the song that I mean, you could make

36:35 Speaker 11: this argument. The lyrics of the song Flowers by Miley

36:40 Speaker 11: Cyrus do seem to be what I would say.

36:43 Speaker 12: And we talked about this in the car.

36:45 Speaker 11: It's a direct response to the Bruno Mars song. Yes,

36:50 Speaker 11: that's not copyright infringement. That is referencing somebody else's creative work,

36:55 Speaker 11: referring to it. That's not the same thing as lifting

36:58 Speaker 11: elements from it.

37:00 Speaker 5: If this is allowed to if if this case prevails,

37:06 Speaker 5: it changes everything. You can't talk about anybody anymore. You

37:10 Speaker 5: can't say anybody else's name.

37:12 Speaker 11: Maybe you can't write. Maybe you can't write songs about

37:14 Speaker 11: flowers because because Bruno Mars had a song that mentioned flowers.

37:20 Speaker 5: Artists mentioned each other in songs all the time, you know,

37:24 Speaker 5: and play off of each other, sometimes good, sometimes bad.

37:28 Speaker 12: Yeah, there's you know, like there's tons of other rappers.

37:31 Speaker 12: Well yeah, of course, so all.

37:33 Speaker 5: Rappers will get Dude, who listed another rapper in their song,

37:36 Speaker 5: because that happens a lot.

37:37 Speaker 12: There's tons of examples of this in pop history.

37:40 Speaker 11: You know, I don't think you know when when Leonard

37:44 Speaker 11: Skinnyard mentions in Sweet Home, Alabama. You know, I hope

37:47 Speaker 11: Neil Neil Young will remember the Southern Man don't need

37:49 Speaker 11: him around anyhow, you know, A direct response to Neil

37:52 Speaker 11: Young song Southern Man, Neil Young didn't sue them, say, oh,

37:56 Speaker 11: they they referenced my song. I'm gonna sue them, you know,

37:59 Speaker 11: I mean, and now a very direct response that was

38:02 Speaker 11: that was clear and unambiguous. Granted it was a they

38:05 Speaker 11: had a rivalry, but it was a friendly rivalry that

38:07 Speaker 11: there was a lot of mutual respect. But but but

38:10 Speaker 11: but but that's or or when uh in Surrender? When

38:14 Speaker 11: uh a cheap trick?

38:16 Speaker 12: They actually mentioned kiss by name, you know, in the

38:19 Speaker 12: song surrender.

38:20 Speaker 5: But well, like we were talking in the car. Tori

38:24 Speaker 5: Amos and Trent Wesner have referenced each other in various

38:28 Speaker 5: ways in seeing each other's song lyrics and or topics.

38:31 Speaker 5: There's a one of Tory's songs mentions nine inch Nails,

38:36 Speaker 5: but it's it's it's in, It's in reverence of one another.

38:41 Speaker 5: It's not even it's nothing bad. But one of the

38:43 Speaker 5: caveats about this case that I want to point out

38:45 Speaker 5: is that the person that is suing bought this half

38:50 Speaker 5: of the song as part of a catalog package. They

38:54 Speaker 5: weren't even in the picture when the song was created.

38:57 Speaker 5: They had nothing to do with.

38:58 Speaker 12: It right to do it? Well, that's right.

39:01 Speaker 5: They're not a co writer, writ nobody. They bought the catalogs,

39:06 Speaker 5: so now they own half the rights of this song,

39:09 Speaker 5: and they're looking for a quick, get rich quick scheme.

39:13 Speaker 5: It's scammy use of the chords. It's totally frivolous, and

39:17 Speaker 5: it should be thrown out with prejudice. In my opinion,

39:20 Speaker 5: I thought that's not what happened.

39:21 Speaker 12: Yeah, it also says here.

39:25 Speaker 11: Cyrus released Flowers in January twenty twenty three, and it

39:27 Speaker 11: became one of the year's biggest hits. Flowers has been

39:30 Speaker 11: streamed more than two billion times on Spotify and won

39:33 Speaker 11: Cyrus two Grammy Awards for Record of the Year and

39:36 Speaker 11: Best Pop Solo Performance. When Cyrus released Flowers, fans noticed

39:40 Speaker 11: the similarities between the two songs, even causing When I

39:43 Speaker 11: Was Your Man to rise in.

39:45 Speaker 12: Streams Billboard reported.

39:48 Speaker 5: So it made the money, made the song more.

39:50 Speaker 11: I actually made the song more. It made the song

39:53 Speaker 11: it refers to more pot And When I Was Your

39:56 Speaker 11: Man was already a huge hit. I just know that

39:58 Speaker 11: because I just remember hearing it a lot. But yeah,

40:01 Speaker 11: so it actually helped. It actually helped give When I

40:04 Speaker 11: Was Your Man a boost. So so again it's this,

40:11 Speaker 11: you know, this is all very silly. Let's see Billboard. Okay,

40:17 Speaker 11: Vanderbilt Law School again. This is from the Forbes article.

40:21 Speaker 11: Vanderbilt Law School music law professor Joseph Fishman told Billboard

40:26 Speaker 11: Cyrus should not need to credit Mars and the other

40:29 Speaker 11: When I Was Your Man songwriters, despite the similar lyrics.

40:33 Speaker 11: Even if the chorus of Flowers is deliberately a response

40:36 Speaker 11: to Mars's song, because it does not appear to sample

40:40 Speaker 11: or interpolate the song's melodies. Quote using one song to

40:44 Speaker 11: issue a retort to an earlier song is not, by

40:48 Speaker 11: itself infringement. John Mayer and Taylor Swift don't need to

40:52 Speaker 11: cross license everything when they write songs at each other.

40:56 Speaker 11: When I Was Your Man peaked at number one on

41:00 Speaker 11: the Billboard Hot one hundred and twenty thirteen and earned

41:03 Speaker 11: Mars a Grammy nomination.

41:06 Speaker 12: So that's.

41:10 Speaker 11: That's where we are with with So that's what the

41:13 Speaker 11: suit is over and by the way, so the songs

41:16 Speaker 11: themselves don't sound anything alike. I will just pull up

41:21 Speaker 11: uh you know what, I'll play each of these just

41:25 Speaker 11: like to the chorus so you can hear. Oh maybe

41:28 Speaker 11: I can even find well, sorry, let me turn your

41:30 Speaker 11: mic back on.

41:31 Speaker 12: What's that?

41:31 Speaker 5: They're not similar? No, they're not similar. The only similarity

41:36 Speaker 5: is the mutual reference, you know. Right, he's singing, I'm

41:40 Speaker 5: gonna buy I should have bought you flowers. She's singing,

41:42 Speaker 5: I can buy myself flowers. It's just a woman's response. Yeah,

41:47 Speaker 5: and I think it's a great response. I think it's

41:50 Speaker 5: a great song.

41:52 Speaker 12: Yeah, in that regard.

41:54 Speaker 5: In that regard, right, does it matter? But this lawsuit

41:59 Speaker 5: is just somebody trying to get with you. Oh yeah,

42:03 Speaker 5: off of other people's work.

42:05 Speaker 12: I found something here on YouTube that kind of compares

42:08 Speaker 12: that kind of compares them. What's up?

42:09 Speaker 11: Let me play this just just for for anyone who uh,

42:13 Speaker 11: you know, if you don't know the songs, and then

42:14 Speaker 11: you can make your own judgment here.

42:16 Speaker 12: But this is this is short, but it's a short

42:18 Speaker 12: dot comparison.

42:23 Speaker 5: To your too to relad we were good.

42:29 Speaker 15: We were good kind of dream that can't be so

42:35 Speaker 15: we were right until we weren't build a home and.

42:41 Speaker 1: Wash it burns.

42:43 Speaker 5: I should have bought your flowers.

42:47 Speaker 18: Dug and bomus of flowers, roll my name and sing, shout.

42:58 Speaker 5: A gig of armor.

43:01 Speaker 18: With the heads and again, oh mynya.

43:07 Speaker 5: Yeah, I can love me better.

43:12 Speaker 15: You can't let me take it, everybody because you don't

43:17 Speaker 15: want her to.

43:17 Speaker 1: Do with us. I can take myself, Patsy, I'm not again.

43:25 Speaker 5: She stars with another move.

43:31 Speaker 13: I didn't want to leave.

43:33 Speaker 18: I didn't want to lie, so ied God.

43:36 Speaker 15: But remember, yeah, I can love me bitter, And yeah,

43:43 Speaker 15: I can love me bitter.

43:47 Speaker 5: You can't.

43:53 Speaker 1: With you, I can.

44:06 Speaker 11: Okay, So there you go. There's a comparison, a side

44:09 Speaker 11: by side, the comparison to some of the parts of

44:11 Speaker 11: each song. Yeah, completely different. I mean again, one is

44:15 Speaker 11: referencing the other, but they're they're very different. They're they're

44:18 Speaker 11: different in vibe and style.

44:20 Speaker 5: If you can sue from a reference like that, then

44:23 Speaker 5: everything about music changes.

44:25 Speaker 12: Yeah, in every genre.

44:27 Speaker 5: Well it's like it's it's just too much. Well, it's

44:30 Speaker 5: like the the well, you have a sentence like that's

44:32 Speaker 5: similar to my sentence, So now I can sue you.

44:35 Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, that's uh.

44:36 Speaker 11: And again you could say the melodies, the melodies are

44:41 Speaker 11: vaguely similar, but again there are certain there are just

44:46 Speaker 11: certain chord progressions and melodies as well as lyrical themes

44:51 Speaker 11: that are just they're really common. And you know a

44:56 Speaker 11: great example of that. And and Tom Petty, I think,

44:59 Speaker 11: had the right a attitude about this. If you're you

45:01 Speaker 11: know the song Danny California by the Chili Peppers, not

45:04 Speaker 11: Chili Peppers, that's my favorite Chili Pepper song. I always

45:07 Speaker 11: love that song. But when that song came out, people

45:10 Speaker 11: noticed something about it. The not in the verses, but

45:14 Speaker 11: the chorus is exactly the same as Last Dance with

45:20 Speaker 11: Mary Jane. Oh no, I'm sorry, not the chorus, the verses.

45:22 Speaker 11: I have it backward. The verses are the same as

45:25 Speaker 11: Last Dance with Mary Jane by Tom Petty. Yeah, it's

45:29 Speaker 11: the exact same chord progression. It's even the same tempo,

45:32 Speaker 11: Like you could graft one onto the other. It's exactly

45:34 Speaker 11: the same. And somebody asked Tom Petty in an interview, Uh,

45:41 Speaker 11: some I think it was a radio DJ asked him,

45:43 Speaker 11: or might have been in Rolling Stone, but somebody asked

45:45 Speaker 11: him because people were noticing this, you know, are you

45:49 Speaker 11: are you upset with the Chili Peppers?

45:51 Speaker 12: I don't know you.

45:52 Speaker 11: Are you gonna sue them for stealing your song or

45:55 Speaker 11: something like that? And he said his response, which I

45:58 Speaker 11: thought was perfect, he said, well, if they stole it,

46:01 Speaker 11: they didn't steal it from me. They stole it from

46:03 Speaker 11: who from whoever I stole it from, because that chord

46:07 Speaker 11: progression is just very common. It's it's not it's not

46:11 Speaker 11: an original courd.

46:11 Speaker 19: You know.

46:12 Speaker 11: He's like, I didn't write that chord progression. Somebody somebody did.

46:15 Speaker 11: I don't know who, but I heard it somewhere. Well yeah,

46:19 Speaker 11: And and he was right. He was right to say

46:21 Speaker 11: that it's a very common chord progression. So so that

46:25 Speaker 11: so he had the right attitude about it. But what

46:27 Speaker 11: I'm also thinking about, too is who's the guy oh,

46:33 Speaker 11: I forget his name now, British guy with red hair.

46:35 Speaker 11: He's got a bunch of hits ed Oh ed Sharon

46:37 Speaker 11: when they tried to sue Ed Sharon, claiming what's the

46:41 Speaker 11: name of that song? I'll be loving you? I don't know,

46:44 Speaker 11: the actual name is there, I'll Be Loving You when

46:48 Speaker 11: We're seventy or something, and I hate that song. But

46:52 Speaker 11: but they tried to sue him, saying that because it

46:55 Speaker 11: had a similar vibe to Let's Get.

46:56 Speaker 12: It On by Marvin Gay.

46:58 Speaker 11: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was you know, in terms

47:01 Speaker 11: of the production of the song, it sounded similar to

47:04 Speaker 11: Let's get It On. And but he's been sued a

47:08 Speaker 11: few times too, and he never backs down to his credit,

47:11 Speaker 11: you know, he never settles, because again that's a that's

47:14 Speaker 11: another example of a very frivolous lawsuit. It's like, okay,

47:18 Speaker 11: you can sue somebody because the vibe of the production.

47:22 Speaker 12: Style of their song is similar. Wow, like that the

47:27 Speaker 12: can of worms that would open up.

47:29 Speaker 5: So it's not right they walk away with money.

47:39 Speaker 12: Yeah, so so it's not right.

47:41 Speaker 11: By the way, I think, while we're at it, I

47:44 Speaker 11: think it would be interesting I want to see just

47:46 Speaker 11: quickly example of examples of songs that reference other songs,

47:54 Speaker 11: because again, what we're talking about with the Bruno Mars

47:58 Speaker 11: Miley Cyrus thing is, you know, we gave some examples before,

48:03 Speaker 11: like Cheap Trick referencing kiss or Leonard Skinnard referencing Neil Young.

48:09 Speaker 11: Let's see, I just did a quick search. So here's

48:12 Speaker 11: some more examples. It's My Life by bon Jovie references

48:16 Speaker 11: Frank Sinatra's My Way, Yes Absolutely, thunder Road by Bruce

48:21 Speaker 11: Springsteen mentions Roy Orbison, Come Together by The Beatles, uses

48:26 Speaker 11: lyrics from Chuck berrys you Can't Catch Me. See if

48:35 Speaker 11: I can find some more examples here. I think this

48:36 Speaker 11: is so anyway, this is very very common. Let's see

48:44 Speaker 11: songs that reference other songs. I'm trying to find, like

48:51 Speaker 11: like one list that's all in one place, songs I

48:56 Speaker 11: mentioned other songs.

49:00 Speaker 5: Oh, there's a lot of songs that mentioned other people's names,

49:05 Speaker 5: and the list is never ending.

49:08 Speaker 11: Tom Petty's Running Down a Dream mentions the Dell Shannon

49:15 Speaker 11: song little Runaway, Runaway. Yeah, there's there's a there's a

49:22 Speaker 11: bunch of different lists here. I was looking for one

49:24 Speaker 11: definitive list, but that's okay. Well we'll leave that part alone.

49:31 Speaker 11: But anyway, there's there are many examples. Oh wait a minute,

49:34 Speaker 11: I might have found something here. There's some artists here

49:42 Speaker 11: who are more obscure, like Nick Lowe. I mean, you know,

49:46 Speaker 11: people who are really into indie music. No Nick Lowe.

49:49 Speaker 11: He has a song called All Men Are Liars, which

49:52 Speaker 11: apparently directly references Rick Astley's Never Going to Give You Up.

49:55 Speaker 11: That one's kind of interesting.

49:59 Speaker 12: Yeah, that is. It's funny. That is funny.

50:01 Speaker 11: But yeah, so I hope. So the latest on that

50:05 Speaker 11: you had the story? The update, There was an update

50:10 Speaker 11: from just a few days ago.

50:11 Speaker 12: Let me see if I can.

50:12 Speaker 11: Yeah, the basic gist of it is that they're still

50:15 Speaker 11: trying to get it thrown out.

50:16 Speaker 5: Well they had tried, Yes, they were trying to get

50:18 Speaker 5: it thrown out, but it was denied. Yeah, it was

50:23 Speaker 5: trying to get a toss it was denied.

50:25 Speaker 12: Yeah, it's from Fox Business.

50:26 Speaker 9: Has this.

50:27 Speaker 11: Judge denies Miley Cyrus's attempt to dismiss lawsuit comparing Flowers

50:30 Speaker 11: to Bruno Mars song. Temple Music and Miley Cyrus in

50:33 Speaker 11: September sued Miley Cyrus in September for similarities between the songs.

50:38 Speaker 11: Says here, a judge denied Cyrus's attempt to throw out

50:41 Speaker 11: copyright lawsuit against a pop star. Temple Music Investments lawsuit

50:45 Speaker 11: against Cyrus alleging similarities between her Grammy winning song Flowers

50:50 Speaker 11: and Bruno Mars is when I was your man.

50:51 Speaker 12: We'll move forward.

50:52 Speaker 11: After Judge Dan D. Pregeron Pregerson rather denied her request. Tuesday,

51:00 Speaker 11: Business can confirm Tempo Music acquired the rights to the

51:02 Speaker 11: song after buying the catalog of Philip Lawrence, a co

51:05 Speaker 11: author of the song. By the way, Yeah, and it

51:09 Speaker 11: just goes on basically this. Uh, this dismissal failed. But

51:15 Speaker 11: I'm wondering too this. I didn't think to look at

51:19 Speaker 11: this for until now. Bruno Mars has Bruno Mars commented

51:24 Speaker 11: on this. Bruno Mars himself. Let's see, Brun I didn't

51:28 Speaker 11: Tha doesn't look like he has Kenny can he say anything?

51:39 Speaker 12: Well, maybe not, maybe it's better.

51:44 Speaker 11: Oh you know what, I don't think he actually has

51:46 Speaker 11: a writing credit on it, so he yeah, so so

51:50 Speaker 11: it actually doesn't involve him in a sense.

51:54 Speaker 5: But they're just using his name because he sings the song.

51:57 Speaker 5: Everybody knows it. So now everybody thinks he's suing.

52:00 Speaker 12: Yeah, and that's not the case.

52:02 Speaker 11: Now there's an article here also, this is from Billboard,

52:05 Speaker 11: but this is twenty twenty three. This was before the

52:07 Speaker 11: lawsuit started. This is called why Miley Cyrus Flowers doesn't

52:12 Speaker 11: need to credit Bruno Mars yeah, that's a large, long

52:19 Speaker 11: article though we don't have time. But anyway, Yeah, so

52:22 Speaker 11: we're in agreement. I think right that this this lawsuit is.

52:26 Speaker 5: Silly and it's a get rich quick scheme.

52:28 Speaker 11: So frivolous lawsuit should be dismissed.

52:32 Speaker 5: Should be totally dismissed with prejudice.

52:35 Speaker 12: And we will keep an eye on it going forward.

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