Matt Connarton Unleashed 5-17-23

Hello, everybody, Welcome, here we go. It's that time again.

Matt Connerton Unleashed and we are live from the studios of w m n hinem

and glorious downtown Manchester, New Hampshire. And it is a glorious day.

It's windy, uh and a little chilly. I was actually surprised when I

went out this morning. It was fifty degrees and you know, that's it's

May. It's not like it's summertime. But yeah, somehow you just you

get used to being warmer and warmer, and then all of a sudden it's

cold and you go a burr. I had to put on my coat.

That's all right now. It is a beautiful day out here in downtown Manchester.

Of course, uh as I overlook the city while not really we're only

on the third floor, but as I overlook up this part of Elm Street.

Here from the studios of WMNH also on Comcast ninety seven. If you're

in Manchester and hello to Oliver our online listeners across the nation and around the

globe. You can go to my website Matt Connerson dot com for all of

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Today, By the way, we have a great show for you.

That track that I opened with that is called Ghosts of Yesterday from a German

band called Hell's Throne, and they're actually going to be skyping in on the

show. Uh not today, not today. I'm giving you a little sneak

preview, but that's coming up, I think in June, early June.

We have a great band coming up today in the second hour, we're gonna

be joined in studio by Horsefly Gulch and these are you know, it's three

guys who have been in the music scene for a long time in various projects,

but I haven't seen any of them in forever, so this will be

really cool. I love their sound and we'll play some of their music for

you later. And I think they might play live in studio for us as

well. So that'll be coming up today in the second hour. I'm not

sure about that. I forget now, I forget what Jenny told me,

So that will be in the second hour. Now. In the first hour,

now, we have a new segment, my Friends, that we do

with our friend Eric Pilcher. Eric, of course has been part of the

show for a while now. A couple of years or a year and a

half, whatever it's been. I don't know time. It just all gets

away from me doing his classic film review every Friday on the show, and

you know, occasionally he'll call into and we'll talk about other things. But

this week we're starting a new segment with him where we look at the media.

I love talking about media stuff with Eric. Whether it's a big media,

you know, the corporate media, or independent media slash online media.

There's always very interesting things. I've always liked shows about that kind of thing,

Like NPR has a show called On the Media where they analyze media coverage

of events and news that I really like. Um, I don't know if

it's still on. There used to be a show called Reliable Sources that Howard

Kurtz used to host. I don't know if that still exists, but again

it analyzes, you know, the media. So I really enjoy having those

conversations with Eric, and we haven't done that in a while, but we

both enjoyed so much we decided to make it a regular thing. However,

he will not be joining us until four to thirty. And it's not his

fault. It's not his fault. Someone someone took him from me for the

first thirty minutes of the hour from four to four thirty. Oh. Yes,

I've been scorned, my friends, I've been spurned, I've been other

things that start with us. I suppose. Yes, it's a very it's

a hard day in that regard, very very hurtful. But well, we'll

get into that later. But also before I give the numbers, of course,

the studio line and so forth, I want to play for you.

I have some audio for you from you know, Jenny. She went down

to Washington, D C. To testify at a Medicare for All Hearing and

sorry, Oh, I know what that is. It's coming from those construction

vehicles. I could. I could smell something. There's road construction going on

out here on Elm Street. And I'm like, what is that? What

am I smelling? That's what it is? Um it's it's actually making it

into the building. Um So. Jenny went down to Washington, D C.

To testify at the Medicare for All Hearing and uh and not only um

so, she she gave up and gave her presence. She got up and

gave her a presentation and uh. And then she also asked she was she

was asked her. She responded to a panel question. You know, she

sat on the panel afterward as um one of the activists. And UM,

I want to play for you the audio of that of those two parts now.

And by the way, if you want to see the whole thing,

it is up. You know, we put it up on YouTube and everything.

But um, it's about ninety minutes the full uh event. But UM,

I'm gonna play for you the two clips of Jenny. The first one

is her at the podium speaking, and then the second one is of her

at the table during the panel discussion during the Q and A session. UM,

so here's here's uh Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont introducing Jenny, and then

Jenny going and speaking. Our next speaker is Jennifer Coffee was from Manchester,

New Hampshire. She's a member of Rights and Democracy, the People's Action affiliate

that covers Vermont and New Hampshire. Jennifer is a breast cancer survival. Diagnosed

with complex regional pain syndrome. Jennifer spent years struggling to make sure her doctor's

visits and medicine would be covered by her insural. She is also a former

Republican state representative who, through personal experience, now understands the need to move

toward a Medicare role system. Jennifer Good Evening. My name is jenn and

I'm from Manchester, New Hampshire, and at one time I was a fully

functioning EMT and I joked that I lifted people for a living. Then breast

cancer surgery went wrong. I ended up bed bound for two years and I

lost everything. I felt like I was going to be trapped for ever in

my bedroom. I developed complex regional pain syndrome, the most painful disease known

to medicine, and small fiber neuropathy. Rules imposed by my private health insurance

company, United Healthcare Medicaid disadvantage consistently overrides my care team's medical expertise. I've

yet to figure out how my private health insurance can actually help me rule oh

sorry. Because my private health insurer refuses to cover my care, I was

forced to make a go fund me and sell my possessions to afford treatments.

With the help of People's Actions Care over Cost campaign, I was recently able

to get approval from my next infusion. I worry, though. I worry

though that when no one is looking. United Healthcare will not approve any more

treatments. Things got bad really fast last year. My illness was progressive and

I was forced to ration infusions because my rent was hiked up four hundred dollars.

My neurologists started me on LDN low dose naltrexone, but the pharmaceutical company

that makes the medication will not make it in the low dose that I need

because it's not profitable for them to do so I've had to use a compounding

pharmacy to get the medication, and I've had to use five different pharmacies in

order to keep costs down. Again, my Medicare disadvantage plan through United Healthcare

will not cover it. Insurance companies serve no purpose in medicine. They decrease

positive outcomes. America has arguably the best medical care in the world, but

only if you can buy it. This is not a Democrat or Republican issue.

This is a human issue. It's disgusting to watch United Healthcare brag about

over eight billion dollars a profit earned in just three months, and they deem

me too expensive to keep alive. I'm excited about this work. Anyone who

needs care will get it. No matter who they are, no matter where

they're from. Right now, there are millions of people across this country who

are organizing and we want Medicare for all now, all right, So there

you go. So that was Jenny's presentation at the podium, and then I'll

also share with you this is during the panel discussion. My last question before

we open it up is what do you think it would mean for the health

and low rood decreased anxiety in this country if anybody could walk into a doctor

or nurse's office whenever they felt they needed to without having to worry about how

they're going to pay for it. What would it mean to the health and

well being of our country? Who wants to say a word on that?

One man? Yeah, in my opinion, that would give me true medical

freedom where I am making the decisions with my providers and my family and whatever

is needed is done, and not some bureaucrat, insurance person or computer denying

care. The decisions about care needs to be between the physician and the patient

and their family, and that's it. Medicare for All is the only way

to do it, all right, There you go. So I wanted to

share those with you very proud of her obviously, and I know a lot

of the audiences as well, and I'm not sure. I don't think we

aside from Easyg's entertainment report, I don't think we have any guests book for

tomorrow. So who knows. We might see Jenny in here with me tomorrow

to talk about this, talk about her trip to Washington, d C.

And so forth. Then again, she may want to take tomorrow off to

recuperate because you know, this has been a big deal. It's it's not

easy for her to travel at times, and um, but there you go.

I wanted to share that with all of you. So and if you

do want to see the whole event, it is up. Of course,

I put it up on YouTube and it's uh. If you on Facebook,

you can go to the Senator Bernie Sanders Facebook page and you can check out

the whole thing. But there you go. So I wanted to mention that,

and I do look forward to when she's um, when she's on the

show with us, and you know, she can tell us all about it

in detail. And I'll be seeing her later this evening. Of course,

she's going to be arriving in town. I think her her son is actually

picking her up and taking her out for Mother's Day because they weren't able to

do something on Sunday. So there you go. Six zo three two five

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By the way, our friend Eric Pilcher is not here yet. He will

be delayed. He will be joining us at four thirty and then of course

in the second hour we have a great band coming in of course, Fly

Gulch. But yes, Eric Pilcher will be joining us late. He was

I don't want to say kidnapped, which would be impossible anyway, because you

know he's in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Not that there aren't kidnappings there necessarily,

but not in this instance. No, no, No, he was.

There's a certain other individual who does a television show on Wednesdays who apparently

just desperately needed to have Eric on his show today. And I have to

tell you, I'm I'm a little bitter about it. I really am.

You know, of course, I'm referring to John Hopwood, who just uh,

you know, this kind of interference in my program is is not acceptable.

I feel a bit betrayed. Again, it's not Eric's fault. He

was, you know, as I as I mentioned on social media, he

was seduced, if you will, by the by the silver tongue of a

devil. Not the devil, but a devil, a silver tongue to a

devil. I think that's where the phrase comes from. It's the devil but

with a silver tongue. Anyway, Yes, in fact, I am so

upset about this, my friends, and I'm very I'm very deeply hurt.

I'm not a big crier, so we don't have to worry about that,

but I am very deeply hurt. And as a matter of fact, you

know what, I don't think I'm even going to uh going forward. I

don't think I'm even going to refer to John Hopwood by his correct name.

No, I think I'm gonna call him something else, you know, don't

think I'm gonna do. I think I'm gonna rearrange the letters a little bit.

I think going forward from this day on, I will refer to him

as Han job Would. What do you think of that? How do you

like that Han job would? Uh? Stealing my Hey? Listen, by

the way, Eric Pilcher, I mean, you know, he happens to

be my favorite conservative, as I often say on the show, what is

he to you? On job Wood? Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm

gonna call him that from now on. I'm not afraid to rearrange the letters

in somebody's name. I am ruthless. If you cross me, I am

ruthless. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever met anyone

named ruth so that might literally be true anyway. So I guess I guess

Eric Pilcher will be joining us at four thirty. That will be nice.

I would have liked to have had him for more of the hour, but

somebody else, somebody else had something else in mind. And you know that

somebody else gets very animated when he doesn't get his way. I mean,

you know, he just freaks out. So it's really quite astonishing. But

so we'll see, we'll see how the rest of this hour goes. I

know the second hour will be great because, like I said, we have

a great band coming in. But the first hour, I don't know.

It's a feel a little unsteady at the moment, but we'll see, we'll

see. But the studio line again is six zo three two five six seven

six zo three two five six seven. I do want to say hello everybody

in the Facebook live chat and UM, and then we should probably do a

quick check in on UH. I was gonna call it my favorite issue,

but it's it's been my favorite issue to to talk about recently, but not

necessarily my favorite to think about, because I'm very concerned about the debt limit,

the looming debt limit. But there might be some good news on that.

But we'll see, we'll see what we get to. Our friend Cristel

from the great state of Illinois joins us and says, hello everyone. Tom

Blanchard is in the chairman says I've been away but now I'm back. Welcome

back, Tom. We are very happy to see you. We tease you

a lot, but we got you on the spot, welcome back, let's

see j Fett, of course, from the great state of Vermont, joins

us, since says a good afternoon. Abort seven, well, I'm pretty

sure is from Greensboro, North Carolina, says good afternoon. Hashtag Matt We

said, how are you doing? Aboard seven also said we are a pop

singing group man band from Greensboro, North Carolina. And we said, our

friend Isaac Banks missed your afternoon show. Well, that's terrible. Isaac Banks

missed my show. So that's we're just stacking up the betrayals here, first

a Han jop Wood and now Isaac Banks. What a terrible day. I

hope, I hope this gets better. This is this is rough. I'll

tell you what. Oh And aboard seven also says good afternoon. Hashtag Eric

Pilcher. We say, how are you doing? Well? The thing is

aboard seven. I'm afraid that your question falls on deaf ears. Eric Pilcher

is not on the show currently. He'll be here at four thirty, but

right now he's on somebody else's show talking about something else. What can you

do? Ja fed says, I say, hashtag boy band to you on

a board seven says, we love your hair do underneath your hat. We

said hashtag Matt. While it is true that is where my hair do exists

underneath my hats. Crystal in the chat room says, is Hopwood going to

surprise you with a visit after his show with Eric? Anything is possible.

Anything is possible. M I guess we'll see. Tom Blanchard says, uh,

whoops, let me back up here, very busy room. Tom Blanchard

says, did you ever see a baby ruth in your swimming pool? I

didn't get that until I finished reading it, and I don't have a pool,

so uh no, have I seen a baby ruth in a swimming pool?

I reckon? I have ja fed says oh Man, I saw one

in Livingstone pool and never went back. Yeah. Well, ultimately the chlorine

will take care of it, right, I assume. Cristel says, uh,

wouldn't it have been a media etiquette for as I now call him Han

Jobwood to ask you first if you minded him pilfering your guest for his own

show. Well, that's not a question for me, Crystal, that's a

that's a question for the offending party. Uh yeah, all right, Uh

quickly Oh wow, it's already four twenty five. Okay, quickly, because

Eric Pilcher is going to be joining us. I hope. Um. I'm

not upset with him. I'm upset with the other one. I understand.

It's hard to say no to him. I understand. I'm not saying I've

ever fallen under his spell. But the man has a way with words.

Okay, Um, where are we with the debt limit? Oh? This

is interesting. So this just went up right before the show. The Hill

dot com is reporting Democratic senators urge Biden to use fourteenth Amendment to raise the

debt limit. It also says in a separate article here, jittery Democrats worried

about Biden. I'm sorry Biden debt ceiling concessions. Yeah, supposedly there is.

There is progress, which is good, but we are counting down to

the wire, which is not good. Even if we don't go over the

fiscal cliff, as they say, it's still does harm to the economy.

The markets get rattled. But this is interesting. Democratic senators urge Biden to

use fourteenth Amendment to raise the debt limit. Again, this is from the

Hill dot Com. A group of Democratic senators led by Tina's Smith of Minnesota

are circulating a letter urging President Biden to invoke his constitutional authority under the fourteenth

Amendment to raise the nation's debt limit without having to pass legislation through Congress.

These senators say these spending reforms that Speaker Kevin McCarthy has demanded an exchange for

raising the debt limit are unacceptable and that Biden should circumvent Republican lawmakers by raising

the debt limit unilaterally, something that has never been done before and would almost

certainly be challenged in court. Now. By the way, I mentioned the

other day I think I think it was on Monday's show, Jenny was here

and we were talking about this. Sam Cedar from the Majority Report says that

he's been saying that he doesn't see a problem here. He advocates very strongly

for Biden to to take this path, and he cited Lawrence Tribe, who

apparently wrote an op ed saying that he thinks that Biden should take this path.

And the argument that some who are advocating for this option are making is

so you're worried about a constitutional crisis because it will get challenged in court because

it's never been tried, and the amendment itself, the language is a little

murky. It doesn't say it'd be nice if it did. It doesn't say

explicitly, under no circumstances can or will the United States ever default. It

says our debts shall not be questioned. You could interpret that different ways.

I mean, you could take it literally and say, yeah, our debts

will not be questioned. You know, no one can say we don't owe

this money, because we do. It's not questioned, right, whether whether

we're gonna pay the bills or not. We definitely owe that money. So

there will be different interpretations. But the thing that that some are saying is

so we're worried about a constitutional crisis where it gets challenged in court, But

who would bring Who would bring the challenge? Because the challenge has to come

from somebody, from somewhere. Somebody has to say, Okay, well we

don't think this is constitutional and we're going to challenge this. Who has standing

to do that? And standing? As I understand it, And again I'm

not a legal expert or a legal scholar of any kind, but so I

can get in over my head with these things pretty quickly. I will acknowledge.

But as I understand its, standing means that when you bring a suit,

you have in some way been harmed by the action in regard to which

you are bringing the suit, or there's the potential for you to be harmed.

Sometimes the boundaries of that are stretched quite a bit in lawsuits, because

you would think by that standard of having to have standing that you couldn't bring

a lawsuit against somebody on behalf of a potentially hypothetically in the future prospectively injured

party on their behalf if you yourself are not the one in danger in any

way of being injured. So but again the boundaries of that are often stretched.

So I don't know. I guess in theory Biden could do this and

then Congress would then go to the Supreme Court. You know, so you

have I mean, this is our system of checks and balances, right.

You know, You've got the executive branch, you've got the legislative branch,

and you've got the judicial branch. And so if the if the executive branch

does something that the end of course, this happens if the executive branch does

something that the legislative branch thinks as an oversetp or objects to in some way,

they then can bring that to the the judicial branch. I mean,

that's an hypersimplification of how it works, obviously, but I guess that could

happen. But in theory, I mean, it would be fascinating to watch

it play out, but also absolutely terrifying. So I do not want to

see this happen. I don't want to see this happen. But at least

as as the American economy is, you know, if it comes to it,

at least as the American economy is being destroyed and reduced to rubble from

which we may not recover in our lifetimes, at least it'll be fascinating to

watch. I suppose. Um, kind of like watching a disaster movie,

except it's real, you know. Um. But I guess in theory,

so if Congress were to bring were to bring a suit, I guess their

argument would have to be that they were harmed because their authority was usurped by

the executive branch taking an action. Because the legislative branch, Congress, the

House specifically, that's who handles the purse strings, the pocketbook, the money,

the wallet, the safe, whatever other term as I can or cannot

think of. At the moment because Eric Pilcher is on the line. Hello

Eric, Hey, good afternoon, John. I'm sorry, man, what

what did you what did you just call me? Um, it was a

mistake, man, I'm sorry. Oh oh, I see a mistake.

Oh that's fine, that's you know, we're all human. Mistakes are fine.

It's like the Billy Joel song. You're only human. You're supposed to

make mistakes. Um. And you know, I'm not even I'm not even

that hurt that you called me John's name while calling into my show. No,

you know, it's fine. You know what, I'm just gonna I'm

gonna be like Taylor Swift and just shake it off. Shake it off,

shake it off, shake it off. I'm fine, really no, no,

don't worry about me. I promise you that does not hurt my feelings

at all. It doesn't sound like you've shaken it off. No. Oh

no, I've shaken it off. I've shaken it off. I've shaken it

off. I've shaken it off. I'm I'm I'm fine. Okay. Then

you know, uh uh, people are gonna call me the wrong name,

and uh, you know that's fine. Just the other day, somebody called

me Bill, I said, I'm not Bill, and uh, you know

it was it was an innocent mistake. It's fine, you know, uh

whatever, I'm I'm good with it. Really, No, that's fine,

that's fine. Are you? Uh I should ask you though? Are you

calling to talk about baseball? Is that why you're you're on the phone with

me right now? No, I've already talked about baseball. Oh oh right,

right, yes, with um with that other person. M hmmm,

I get it. I mean yes. And he had a guest, Peter

Stella Joiner. Oh, well, I don't know who that is, but

I bet he's very important. And I can understand why you would want to

be a part of that discussion. And it doesn't hurt my feelings at all.

It's fine. Well, I'm glad we could have we handled this dam

a complete Oh listen, I am not, I promise you. I am

not about to dissolve into tears live on the air. I mean I might,

I might, but I'm I'm trying not to. I'm trying to hold

it together because that's a kind of competitor. I am not that this should

be a competition. It kind of feels like it's turned into one. But

that's okay. That's okay. By the way, I would just say though

personally I don't I don't trust anybody who's shorter than John Oates of Darryl holland

John Oates. I'm just throwing that out there. But that's fine. I'm

glad you. I'm glad you had a nice time. By the way,

I no longer call that individual by his actual name. I've decided to move

some letters around, and going forward, I will refer to him as Han

job Wood because that's what I because I am a little upset with him.

But that's that's fine to I mean, to be fair. Um, I

mean I'm gonna move on. So well, that's probably really good because I

I don't I don't have an ending for this bit. So Yes, welcome

Eric Pilcher from h Yeah, Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Yes, thank you,

Matt. Yes, it seems as if some media few tempt in media

issues have died down. I think the storm that was tucked her, not

tucked her, Stephen Crowder going alpha male on his wife. I really think

that it can't get much worse than that cannon. That was pretty bad.

Um. For those who haven't seen the video, of course, there's a

video of Stephen Crowder. Apparently it was recorded with a ring camera on the

property and it showed up in the divorce proceedings, as one might expect such

a recording would of Stephen Crowder. Being to be fair, there is absolutely

no physical abuse in the video, none whatsoever. We should be clear about

that. But uh, but there's emotional and psychological abuse. Gu lore.

Yeah, I was gonna say it's sometimes is worse the scars that cannot be

seen. Yes, is that a song lyric? It sounds like it would

be. I mean, I don't know, it should be very well,

might be. I'm not that poetic. M Yes, yeah, the U

there's that video. Yeah, the Stephen Crowder stuff seems to have died down

a bit. Um there is um oh uh the big thing in the media

right now seems to be the biggest UM. I wouldn't call it a scandal,

but there seems to be a lot of disagreement, and and the the

degree of disagreement. It's not necessarily a partisan uh over that uh that CNN

town hall with the former president uh Don John Trump and um, there's a

lot of controversy about whether whether CNN should have done that or or not,

and uh, whether or not it was a spectacle, and whether or not

it was a waste of time, and uh, whether or not it was

a low point in cable news, although cable news has many low points,

so it's almost difficult to chart in that regard. But what do you think?

What do you think? I mean, I assume you saw it.

I saw flips of it. Yeah, and and here here's my take on

it. The minute I heard Donald Trump CNN, I checked out. And

the reason being is what tree was CNN trying to bark up? Here?

Here's a guy in in former President Donald Trump that ridiculed you immensely, right,

I seemed your integrity like made call them fake news in sidniary comments.

And yet you're giving him a platform with probably one of the inn I'm ambivalent

to Anderson Cooper. I don't dislike him. I'm not saying yeah, I

just I'm not. I have no feeling either or I think that's a great

job reading reading the news. But what what did they expect to happen here?

Yeah? Um, to me, it's a difficult thing because I see

both sides of the argument. In the aftermath of it, well, first

of all, and I saw both sides of the argument going into it too,

because what happened is exactly what I expected to happen, exactly, and

I think probably most people were not particularly surprised. But um but on the

one hand, so you can say, well, you know how this is

gonna go, and you know, he's basically just going to give his campaign

stump speech with Caitlin Collins interrupting at times. And and by the way,

you know she's She's taken a little bit of criticism, but not too much

because I think people think that, you know, she did the best she

could under very difficult circumstances. And I would tend to agree. I don't

know what anyone could have done differently. Um but uh. But on the

other hand, even knowing that it was going to be a train wreck,

um what I mean, you can't ignore him. He's the front runner for

the Republican nomination, or as I often call him, the the presumptive presumptive

nominee. And I agree with that you can't ignore him. I guess if

I were CNN, I probably would have probably to get someone else to moderate

in to hostess, maybe Wolf Blitzer, m someone that could have kept it

more focused. May I forget his name, the guy who left Fox News

for CNN streaming service. Oh, Chris Wallace. Yes, there we go,

thank you, maybe Chris Wallace. But then again, we then go

back to President Trump and this idea that if certain people are going to interview

him, he won't do the interview. He wants people he can bully,

He wants people he can push around. He wants those people because then he

exudes power, and then his constituents, his base, is like, yeah,

we own the lid. Yeah, and that is uh, that is

what a lot of them are claiming on social media. Um, Crystal,

no, you didn't own the lid. You owned nothing. You watched it.

Yeah, you gave CNN ratings, you gave them money. Yes,

we got played. Well that's um, that's what Crystal points out in the

chat room. Crystal our friend from Illinois. She says CNN had bad ratings,

probably kissing Trump's but to get in his good graces. Well also too,

a big rating. I mean they pulled a big rating for the town

hall. Oh absolutely, it was musty TV. Yeah this how could it

not be? How Like there were people that I know that do not watch

cable news that we're making plans to sit and watch this. Yeah, was

get your popcorn ready television. Yeah, and it's like the reason why I

was really just kind of like, uh why I knew how it was gonna

go. Yeah. It wasn't like people are like you had the some on

the on the right that we're saying, well, hopefully they treat Donald Trump

fairly okay, and then you had some on the left like, oh,

I don't even know why they're having him on that channel, right, disgusting,

And it's like I would have preferred I'll go ahead, Eric, I

was just gonna say, have a centralized approach to this, take politics out

of it. Do you want people to if your CNN? Do you want

people to watch your network? Yes, what's one way to do it?

Give them something they never thought they would see. Yeah, and that was

it. Yeah. Well, I mean cable news is a business, and

you know they I guess business was good that night. I would have preferred

no live audience, uh more of a one on one format because, um,

and part of this is a bias that I have been from New Hampshire.

Um And I saw our our Republican governor Governor Sunu addressed this in a

couple of interviews. How embarrassing it was when h you know, Trump is

making fun of and joking and kidding around about about Egen Carrol and that audience

is just laughing and they're just they're just lapping it up. Um and uh

that's um, you know, whether you believe of him, whether you believe

her, whatever it is you think. I mean, for them to be

laughing at that, it didn't reflect well on New Hampshire. H I mean,

I hate to say it, but uh, that was that that was

very cringe and and our Governor Chris and Nunu, he said in an interview,

um on uh it was on MSNBC. He said that, you know,

when the camera panned across the room, he recognized, you know,

he knows a lot of the people there and knows that their their ride or

die MAGA and you know they're gonna they're gonna be uh down for whatever.

But um, but that was that was very very unfortunate. That was an

unfortunate moment. Yes, And one thing I was going to say is Donald

Trump is very uncouth in a lot of ways. One of the ways that

I think has gotten him into trouble in his foray into politics has been he

overly plays to a crowd. Ye Like, if we look at some of

the most insidniary things that Donald Trump has said, when have they been said?

Right at campaign rallies in rooms full of people r Why because he hears

them cheer and it's like euphoric for him. Oh yeah, and what minimal

filter he has? What minimal filter is there is out the window? So

then we can ridicule a journalist with the disabilities because people are cheering, right

right? Yeah, true, exactly, we And it's okay because now I

have those However, many are in that room. They're eating out of my

hand. And when I'm rightfully chastered for saying this, I can turn around

and say, see, look at what the right what is? Look at

what the leftist media is doing to me? Right right? That's that's yeah,

that's the card he plays. And I had to say it. But

I think all of this will help him, help actually helps him when it

helps him win the nomination. Oh man, but it's not going on Donald

Trump's mailing list and the emails I got after after the CNN interview, he

one we did if he didn't generate millions in campaign donations. After that,

someone needs to be fired. Well, that's the thing, he if I

because if I was a delusional Trump supporter, I probably would have donated money.

Yeah, it's um, I think it's all going to help him.

It does, It does help him raise money. Um. You know when

when when the FBI showed up at Marlago, the reason we first found out

about that, uh was well when they showed up to do the search.

So the reason we first found out about it was because of Trump. They

tried to keep it low key to the extent that that's even possible. But

Trump, he you know, he goes on social media and starts talking about

it, and then the next thing, of course, the uh those fundraising

emails go out. Yep. And what's so funny about all of it is

Trump will often ridicule, not directly because if he does it directly, then

some of his constituents can put one and one together and hopefully it adds up

to two. But what he does, and he's very Macavalian at this,

is he comes at people that have played the victim card, or he perceives

them to have played the victim card. But he is such a master at

playing it to himself. Oh yeah, he is quite duplicitous at this,

and it's like, how can you not steam this, this hypocrisy right in

front of you. Oh by the way, our friend aboard seven in the

chat room says, Trump by Trump, and we don't care of this man.

It's what he does and no one has caught onto it. Yeah.

Um, well, it's just shocking a lot a lot of people. A

lot of people catch on or are they or you know, are they eventually

figure it out? I mean, you're a Trump supporter at one time and

then you got off the Trump train. But here, here's the thing is

I was a Trump supporter, but I always admitted his fault. I always

said, here's the deal, here's why I like it. Yeah, here's

what I don't like. And you know, anytime he has done something I

disagreed with, I've been vocal about it. Yeah, because you can't.

You cannot just claim blind allegiance to a politician. Yeah, but he is

a politician. Anyone who says otherwise is delusional. Oh he's a businessman.

Really. Business is a form of politics, oh absolutely, in politics is

a form of business. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, you are catering to

a base if you think that the two are not interchangeable. That I have

a litany of things that I can disclose to you about this world that are

going to make you very, very sad and deprived. Yeah. Um so,

uh what? Um so? What do you? What do you think

going I mean, what should be the Do you have an idea of what

you think should be the rules going forward? As far as the media covering

Trump, because he's got a weird relationship at this point, even with Fox,

they seem pretty tepid on him. And I think that I think many

organizations and I'm sorry meant to cut you off, packed themselves into a corner

with him. Yeah, they have. They have made hit. So he

has control. He writes the rundown, He decides the who, what,

len, why, and how? Right? He Oh, absolutely, it's

on them. It isn't on Donald Trump. Uh, Crystal, and the

chat room says, Trump's faults make the San Andreas fault look like a tiny

crack. Um. I wouldn't go that far. I mean, yeah,

I had a I don't know if you heard the show Erica yesterday. I

had a candidate and here a Republican no candidate Steve Laughey, who is challenging.

I mean he has no chance obviously, So if you're going, who's

Steve Laughy, Yeah, I mean he's got he's got no chance. But

it was interesting to talk to him and and uh he was um, he

did express he did express it on the show, and then we also had

a short conversation afterward to uh. He mentioned about the town hall, specifically

the same thing I did about the whole Egene Carol bit, which was so

distasteful and uh so uncomfortable hearing people laughing about that and applauding Trump and just

just really gross. Yeah, and that's the thing is his And I feel

bad saying it because technically I am a member of his bass. Yeah,

but his his bass really does a great job of showing everything that is evil

and wrong in this world. And you I tried to come to terms with

it, and I just can't because these are people that are like me.

They are church going Christians, and Christians should not act like this. Yeah,

like you, you cannot mock a person with disabilities. You cannot advocate

for the things he's advocated for, that is grabbing a woman in a certain

area, yeah, and yet they're like, oh, gettle Trump. I

know, and I sit here and I'm like, wait a minute, do

you mean do you understand what you're doing? This is another reason why people

have so many issues with Christianity, is we sit here and we promote the

Bible and then we turn around and promote this. Yeah, and it's likely

No, that is wrong. Yeah, I've I've made that observation. Yeah,

go ahead. I had someone tell me, well, Eric, you

were involved with athletics in high school. You're familiar with locker room talk.

Yes, I was eighteen. I wasn't a fifty plus year sixty plus year

old man running for president talking with the talk show host and expecting it to

be off the record to be fair to Trump, which I have no great

desire to do because I agree with what you're saying, but to be fair

to him. He was not running for president at the time of that audio,

regardless, But but regardless, you know, you know, especially being

in that situation too, even if he's just kidding around, Uh, he

should know there's a live mic on him. And the explanation he gave at

the time, and we got to go in a moment, Eric, But

the explanation that he gave at the time was during that first debate, after

that came out, while it was locker room talk. I apologize it was

locker room talk, okay, But then we hear the details of they came

out in court about Egan Carroll, and it's like, oh, suddenly that

story takes on a new significance. Or not that story, but uh that,

well, what he said to Billy Bush on that Access Hollywood tape,

that takes on a new significance. It's like, oh, that's really chilling.

Um, So have you watched his deposition regarding that. I haven't watched

the whole thing. I've seen some of it, and it's pretty it's pretty

bad. I did talk about it on the show one day. You know,

it's particularly gross when he talks about well, he says, you know,

I couldn't have done this, She's not my type. And it's like

that that right there shows h that he doesn't understand. You know, rape

is not about not about being attracted to somebody. It's not about them being

your type. It's about power and dominance and violently assaulting somebody. Um,

that's what it's about. So he apparently either doesn't get that or he's willfully

obtuse in that regard, and then he you know, he doesn't want to

well that's what I mean, willfully obtuse. And then he says and then

he says to her while she's taking the deposition, and by the way,

I you know, I wouldn't find you're not my type either, And it's

like, oh my god, is he actually telling saying to her on this

deposition you know I wouldn't rape you either, Like, I mean, it's

so it's so gross. Uh, it's it's really I don't Yeah, I

don't know how anyone can be okay with any of that. It's it's so

gross. It's that's the thing. Is I felt disgusting being lumped in with

it. Yeah. Someone was like, oh, Eric, you've done locker

room talk. Yeah, but there's a difference between locker room talk in a

near admission of sexual assault. Yeah. Yes, Like I guarantee you if

anybody that was a part that of any team I was a part of in

high school, that's something that they did that would have been like, I

mean, there were some creepy guys, so sure a majority of us would

have been like broh, yeah, we're stepping away from you right about now,

because yeah, we're not going to be a part of this exactly.

It's because it's wrong. You can't just go up to someone and do that.

Well, yeah, of course, of course, Eric, now go

ahead. Its just it's disturbing that we dismissed that that was dismissed as just

being him saying it was locker room talk, and people saying, oh,

then it's okay. Well we now know too that he wasn't that he wasn't

serious when he called it locker room talk, that he really did mean it,

because he says in that deposition, Uh he says, uh yeah,

that's how it that's how it is when you're a star. That's how it's

been for a million years, fortunately or unfortunately. So uh he he just

leans right into it. It's like, oh my god, what a what

a disgusting person. Uh but Eric, we we gotta go. Um,

we are almost at the top of the hour. Oh don't don't, don't

apologize. I think we I think we aired everything out early and that wasn't

your fault anyway, what happened earlier. I blame Han Jobwood. I don't

think anyone's to blame. Oh, I blame him. I blame him.

Do not trust him. I think we need to kind of just step back

a little bit Facebook, Matt. I consider both of you dear friends.

I think Han Jobwood and I are fighting. I think we're in a feud.

We're having a feud. I don't think the feud is beneficial for either

of you. We're gonna have a steel cage match and I will be victorious

and it'll be great. And I mean, as long as I'm not hanging

from the rafters in a ladder match, I'm fine, right, it could

be for a custody of you. I share to Hike. Non wrestling fans

are like, what what are they? What are they talking about? All

right? Eric, Before before you go though, just quickly, what do

you have for us for Friday? For the film review? For the film

review this week? Um, we are looking at the nineteen seventy eight film

Superman. The movie. Yes, yes, I remember watching that with my

dad. It is I haven't seen it in many years, at least a

decade, and watching it again really yeah, there's a lot of things that

I was like that i'd forgotten and I'm like that that's great. Yeah,

yeah, oh very cool. Well, we look forward to your review on

Friday, and we do appreciate you joining us here today. Always wonderful to

speak with you, my friend, absolutely, and thank you for having me

Matt. You're very good, very good. All right, Eric, we'll

talk to you soon. Thanks, no problem, pro bye bye. All

right. That was our friend Eric Pilcher. It is the top of the

hour. I'm going to uh, we're gonna take a break and show some

love to our amazing sponsors. But first I'm gonna play a couple of songs

from or at least one and maybe we'll save the other one for later.

It depends on how long it takes them to set up. I'm gonna go

bring them in the band Horsefly Gulches here. But this is a this is

a great track. This is called Snake Dance. Check this out. WMHP

the Normals, Welcome back everybody. This is Matt Connerton Unleashed and we are

live from the studios of wm n H ninety five point three FM and Glorious

Downtown Manchester, New Hampshire, also on Comcast ninety seven if you're in Manchester,

and hello to all of our online listeners across the nation and around the

globe. You can go to my website Matt Connerton dot com for all of

your live streaming options, social media links, contact info, show archives,

etcetera, etcetera. Today is Wednesday, May seven teen, two thousand twenty

three, and we have some very special guests in studio with us. We've

got the band horse Fly Gulch here and uh, let me bring those mics

up there, and uh, this is uh um Adam, let's start with

you, and let's let's have you all before you play, We'll have you

tell us who you are and uh what you do in the band. You

get to go first because I'm only knew the longest. All right. Hey,

my name is Adam Cody, and I've played drums all right pretty much?

Yeah, all right, and you sir, Hello, I am Paul

Davidson and I play bass and uh also do some backing, singing and some

percussion as well. Yes, yes, you got a for for those not

watching online, you've you've got a what do you what do you call that?

A horse? Uh? A horse stambourine? I don't know what you

know? Yeah, kind of a kind of a god other vibe did you

did you wake up one day with that and then you were like, oh,

put a tambourine on it. I woke up, he was looking at

me and all right, very good, and you, sir, you know

that thing has horror movie written all over it. By the way, I

think he found it at some yard sales somewhere and it's gonna be gonna be

hunting the studio for the rest of Yes. Yes, my name is Steven

had a Chuck. I go by Steven Scott sometimes depending on the day.

Um, I play guitar and I sing in horse Flag oats very good.

Well, Um, so what we're gonna do is these guys are gonna play

a live for us, which I'm really looking forward to, and then we'll

we'll take a quick break and then we'll come back and we're gonna talk and

catch up on everything these guys are doing. But what do you guys?

Um? And we'll have to kind of sound check on the fly, but

I'm pretty I'm pretty good at that. It ends up sounding surprisingly good in

this room. Actually, Um, what are you guys gonna play for us?

This is a song called Burn the Breeze. Burn the Breeze, all

right, whenever you're ready. All right, I don't love to come down.

Puts me back and to start. They must be another way to man

the spruce gain heart you with the childhood love of mine, my greedies,

mistake, and day I walks away. I heard your voice call my name,

A heal voice called my name. Spurn the breeze together. It's not

waste standtime. Spurn the breeze together. Get away this time the river floes

teeth all the way into the sea. I swept from the desert to the

trees. You ain't never can't read to me. It's but the breeze together.

It's not waste standard time, but the breeze together. Get wait these

times it's been the breeze together. It's not waste standard time, but the

breeze together. Get wait these times, Get wait these times God wait thees.

Yeah. Oh, fantastic, well done, gentleman, well done,

Thank you. I love it. I love it. If you're just joining

us, horse fly gulches here with us in studio, what we'll do is

we'll take a break. We'll let you guys put your stuff down and get

comfortable, and uh, I'll um while we do that. I'm gonna play.

I'm play an old Mindset X song. What do you think? Yeah?

What's uh? What should I play from Oceans? I got Oceans pulled

up here. I think we're always a fan of Island. Uhland, Okay,

no swears in it obviously. Yeah, this is there's a good twelve

minute song on there. If you really want to go crazy, No,

that's all right, We'll go with I so Island, Yeah, alright,

Island, It is all right. And uh and then we'll we'll come back

and we'll talk with these guys. Check this out. This is Island Mindset

X, and we'll explain everyone why I figured out play a Mindset X song.

Oh that's cool. That is Island from the band Mindset X. And

you guys know what happened to those guys? Or do you ever see him?

That be has taking a nap right now? It's hibernating but not dead.

I think last time I saw him they were in the rubore. There

you go, getting a tan if you're if you're just joining us here on

Matt Connerton Unleashed. We are joined in studio by the guys from horse Fly

Gulch, but we're all three of you also in Mindset X. That's the

same okay, Um, yeah, that band was around for a long time.

Now is does the new project replace that? Or well Mindset X continue

in the future as well. And in addition to that, I mean again,

you know after twenty years, it's in hibernation the Mindset X. Yeah.

Um, but we're focusing just on the new project right now. But

yeah, the old one's not dead. It's just just sleeping. Yeah.

There actually is an album written too, right ABU in the can Oh.

Wow, it's kind of a weird story actually when I now that you kind

of reflect on it. Like, so, before the whole COVID thing hit,

right, we were gearing up to write a new album as Mindset X,

and then COVID hit, right, so we couldn't get together for a

little while. And then by the time we started going back, like a

couple of years later, getting back together and rehearsing those songs, we were

like, man, these songs they sound they feel really old now because they

were like three years old at that point, right, And we were like,

all right, well, we can't just not record them, like we

spent all this time writing them. Yeah. Um, so we did record

them, right, um, and we released a couple of them and then

and then we just we just said it just just time pass something a little

bit different, Right, you do medal for twenty years straight. I think

you are My sex was never so much this, but locked inside a box

of what you could particularly do as a band when you're expected to kind of

put out a certain style of music, right, Yeah, And I think

we just came to a point we were like, you know what, let's

try something new. Does um, do any of those songs make it into

this project or do you do you keep them? You keep them completely separate?

Yeah? Is that the plan going forward? Or is there a chance

of anything? Kind of? Yeah? I do. I mean, I

mean, I can tell you from a personal perspective. We've discussed this.

I think as a band is not only is it something new from a musical

perspective, but I think it's something new just challenging us, not for me

anyway, not to cover things up with the storage or you know, to

see if I can actually play something, you know, cleaner, because there's

a lot more room for mistakes when people can hear oh yeah you as a

three piece and there's nothing behind it that's dirty. Or grunty or into that,

and I don't think that those songs would fit particularly what we're doing right

now. Yeah, makes sense because to be honest, I think the last

Mindseex stuff was probably the most pruggy stuff we've done. So the other thing

is the new stuff is flowing, you know, unlike anything we've done in

years. Like, we're basically writing a new song almost every time we get

together. We've been doing this pretty much just since the turn of the year,

you know, on a new year, new project. Yeah, and

we're already on like ten songs. I mean, it takes a little while

to record them, but yeah, you know they're in the set. You

know, we can come out and play him live. Yeah. Yeah,

another full album written right, pretty much right, so we shouldn't have to,

you know, write another ten We shouldn't have to pull anything. You

know. By the way, our friend Texas Mike, although you might know

him as Michael Martineau, but around here we call him Texas Mike. He's

in the chat room and he says, uh, I know Stephen uh aka

the Deviant Music through Ed Murphy and uh and Ellie Murphy. We saw him

at Clemento's pizza in Manchester. No, you spotted and you heard that fantastic

commercial just about fifteen minutes ago. I think, didn't we not? Even

Michael? How are you? Buddy? It plays in my mind all the

time. It is catchy, it is yeah Clement people people get mad at

me for singing it, but it really, it really does. Can we

still bad for a riff? I can't. I didn't write it, so

I can't, But yeah, I have that. I cannot imagine under any

circumstances where anyone would also doing There you go, there you go? Um,

now are you guys playing playing out a lot with this project? Or

well we just did our first show what a month ago? Yeah, and

then we've got right down the street one coming up in Dover down at the

Strand. It's a new it's a new venue for us. Oh yeah,

Edgewise is in the chat room and they just posted a picture of them at

the Strand. Yeah, it's like a cool, cool room. It's yeah,

it's it's nice because one it's all ages, and two it's just to

be a beautiful venue. Yeah. I didn't realize it was all ages.

That's that's hard to find, and I mean that's important. I think this,

yeah, something we've been missing out on a lot. Oh yeah,

definitely yeah. Um and is that the show is Dust Profit on that show?

Yes? Yes, m Dust Profit of course. Uh. I used

to be in a band with Auto Kinsel Nice Chemical distance. So yeah,

they're and they're in CRAD. Have you guys seen Doss Profit live? Now?

Very very intense, it'll be it'll be a fun night because they actually

asked us. We talked about this a while back as Mindset X, and

we joined the bill as Mindset X. Oh back, you know, six

like four or five months ago whenever we discussed it. Yeah. And so

then a couple months ago I texted the little chat group and I was like,

Hey, I just want to let you guys know we have like a

Western rocketbilly thing. Mindset X is kind of sleeping even though it doesn't really

fit with any of the style stuff going on, Can we just change the

name? And they were like, yeah, cool, let's do it.

So it should be a really cool night in music. And I think we've

always been about screw the genre, it doesn't matter, or just get a

bunch of bands together that love what they're doing and open people's minds to listen

to different styles of music, right, and oh yeah, I always been

about that. Yeah, got a couple other lined up. Two, We

got one right down the road at the Shasky and which that's where our first

show was. Oh well, we'll be back there on the sixteenth of June,

I believe ye. And then the twenty third up at Area twenty three.

Oh okay, my favorite new will hang out there. Yeah, close

to me. Oh there you go, there you go, Yeah, Edgewise

says the straight. I assume it's Chris in there, he says, all

ages for those un h kids at the strang. That makes sense. But

why why do I hear a lot of good things about Area twenty three.

I've been there, but not for a long time. What is it?

Uh? But everybody's talking about not just because it happened if they happened to

be close, but everyone's giving it rave reviews. Yeah, Kirk up there

is one of the biggest supporters of local music north of Manchester. Anyway.

Yes, yep, Um, you can go in there any given night.

There's live music. He's got open mics Wednesdays. I just saw an incredible

band there. Um. Dan Bedrosian in the Secret Army. Okay, spot

of p funk. Oh he's playing. I've interviewed him, yeah in this

in that little room. Yeah, it's mind boggling, you know, yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah he was. He was on the show just

a few years ago now before it was before COVID. But um cool.

Now, so when when you guys play live with this project, how many

songs do you have that you do live? Right now? We've got ten?

Oh, okay, that's pretty solid. Ye nine yeah, forty five

minutes to an hour. Yeah, yeah, depending on the jam mood.

Very good, very good. If you're just joining us here on Matt Connerton

Unleashed. We've got a horse fly gulch in the studio with us. And

uh, these guys played live earlier, so if you missed it, you

definitely want to go back and check the archive and uh yeah, Paul,

all right, tell us the story. So so again for for those who

are of course, uh most most of the audience, I can't see you

except on Facebook or on ninety seven, but you've got I'll let you describe

it. Your your instrument of choice that you brought today. So yes,

um so, being a unique band, we decided to try different instruments and

stuff in facts Steve does a little mandolin here, Banjoey there, and I

was like, oh, I need something, right, and so we came

up with the song. Actually we just played burn the Bridge and there's space

in the middle in the in the beginning. Yeah, And I didn't want

to just kind of stand there right right. So being horse flight gulch,

you know, we were out um, me and my wife and we were

looking for props and stuff like that that we could use. Yeah, and

this is happens to be one of them. And what it is, it's

it's one of the old riding horses. Yeah, stick that the that the

kids used to go around and and we added a little tambourine to it and

now you can witness it live, yes, you know, yeah, and

uh I might see somebody dancing around with it as well. Does the when

when it squeaks? Has that made it in any of the songs or do

you just do that? Oh? It definitely definitely yea Burned the Breeze.

That was the debut of Yeah, yeah, very good. The only thing

it's missing is a name. Yeah, so we don't have a name.

If anyone on the chat wants to name the horse peace feel Free. We

have a contest. Yes, yes, the winner gets to name the horse.

Oh very nice, very nice. Where do you guys record? Because

everything, uh and and this has been the case, you know, not

only with this band, but with the previous band. Everything sounds really good,

just sounds really good. Where do you record? I assume it's changed

over the years, but I'm happy to say that this, this every horse

Flag Elt song thus far has been recorded at our own recording studio, so

excellent. Over the last five or six years, I've been kind of revamping

and kind of rebuilding that whole thing. Yeah, saving here and there and

buying little pieces of equipment and figuring out actually how to use it. Yeah,

you know, so I think I finally got to a point where I

feel relatively comfortable and you know, releasing stuff to the public, and um,

it's definitely going to help us out because when Adams ray to Late tre

As, we just throw the mics up and go and don't have to go

anywhere else. It's beautiful not to say that we might. You know,

there's still is always the chance of saying, let's go somewhere else that sounds

different, or canna produce it behind it or something happened. Who knows what's

going to happen. But I think from a convenient standpoint and from my own

personal uh holy crap, I can actually do this standpoint, it's nice to

be able to have that. So yeah, no doubt, Um has it

always been that way, like like even with the early mindset X stuff?

Did you guys in the early days, we you know, we started off

probably the first two or three recorded at Steve's and then uh you remember the

one the first place we went into but Drum one Downs. We did like

three full CDs there, Yeah, Brian Sachs rest in Peace. Yeah,

And we've also recorded at what's Jay's metron Okale like as he calls it,

right, okill and ask did at Metronome yea. So we think, you

know, at the end of the day, I think we want to try

something different, right, and I think, you know, I think every

band wants to have a different sound, and if you staying in the same

place all the time, you get poored. And I think we didn't want

to do that. We wanted to like try to branch out, And yeah,

branching out for us was branching in really right, and I think it's

it's been great. It's been It's nice to go in my studio at you

know, eleven PM and work till one. Yeah. Gee. It's just

nice to have that luxury. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's

nice to live in an era where, you know, you have so many

different options as far as how you record, you know. And like we

said, we did the original with the first couple of Mind six albums we

did at home too. Well. Yeah, the first one was fun.

It was like two microphones hanging in a room, you know. Yeah,

and we did this whole concept album with just these two Chintzi mics hanging.

Yeah. Still same mic. Yeah. One of the mics I've just recently

found is a it's a old radio shack and denser with a little switch on

it you put no Kid Ain't double a battery in there. Oh wow,

we've found that and it's still worse. It ahead and both of those songs

No Kid Ain't I'll be damned. Well, that's amazing it still works.

That's a lo fi sound. That's cool. Yeah. I bought that back

when there was a radio shack in West Franklin. If that if anybody knows

the area that was a long time ago. Oh yeah, jeez, yeah,

there used to be radio shacks everywhere. I think they're all gone right

that completely, so they back online. I saw it, but I gota

gotcha. Yeah, Adam. When I first met you, um way back,

I was working at Strawberries Loddon Road and Conquered and I remember you brought

in a CD. You brought in a CD for me to check out Liquid

Native, yeah my first band. Yeah, yes, that was uh,

now whatever ended up happening with because I remember actually going to see you guys

live too it Uh, I can't remember that. No, I might have

seen you there, but I also saw you in Conquered. Oh she Antillies

and Conquered. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, the good old days

when it was you know, bigger clubs up there, and I mean it's

coming back. It is nice. Whatever happened to that band, um,

you know in the end, it was just like oil and water, you

know, like yeah, when everything settled, you know, we all just

kind of went our separate ways. Yeah. The singer I can kind of

still remember him. He was like like a wasn't he like a big like

biker dude, very intimidating. Yeah he was. Yeah, he was stocky.

Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, I can still picture of

the cover too. It was a black and white photo and I think you

guys might have been at Railroad Tracks. We were on the stairs up at

the Stimmy corp of Engineer's Damn Up in Franklin. Gotcha, gotcha? Yeah?

Now after that was Mindset Acts. Next for you. After that band,

I had one more small project that lasted maybe a year, but oh

name is familiar. Yeah, there was a CD floating around out there's maybe

like a hundred copies in existence. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

I think you still have that email address, don't you that still email?

Now? What about you guys? Obviously you know Mindset X has been around

for a long time. But have there been other projects too along the way

or? Uh? Definitely for me, so, like I actually was trying

to think about this the other day. So I have I'm up to like

about. It's over thirty years I've been playing on the music scene. Yeah,

and with my well, I can't say my first band, but the

first gigging band was Hollywood East, which was out of Manchester here. Oh

okay, and uh it was a hair hair rock, hair metal what I

call it. It's a cool name, Hollywood East it was. It was

a lot of fun. Yeah. So I went from that to a a

a punk jazz band up in Maine called pog Soldier um and then some variations

of other bands. I started also recording, uh the Obe Show, which

is an all day experience of music and art and stuff like that. Wow

free for music, so very experimental stuff and yeah um and then before Mindset

X, before I joined on with them, I also was part of a

m It was a instrumental progressive hard rock band. I think about that ye

called Dreamline and I remember Dreamline really I do? Um? Did I sit?

Okay? Did you ever? Uh? Now, I can't remember the

name of the venue. I feel like I saw you. Did you play

out a lot with Dreamline? We we actually did a good amount of shows.

In fact, we've we actually played with Mindset X well, because I

feel like I saw Dreamline live. I can't remember where though I thought I

thought I had it, but I remember Dreamline Yeah, showdown at Millie's it

was Dreamline Mindset X. Yeah, Oh might have been there, Yeah,

it might have been that one oh, actually late now that you said it,

very well might have been I think it's coming back to me, yeah

yeah, which could have been yeah, yeah, yeah, well mad Bobs

Bobs. Yeah. But we played h Dar in Boston, we played Summer's

Worth. We actually got down into New York City as well with that band.

Yeah, so just all all throughout the East coast, yeah, yeah,

or the Northeast, I should say, yeah, yeah, yeah,

Well what about you, Steve? So, I started a band's right out

of high school or was part of a band anyway called Salem, which was

kind of ah, I guess, progressive rock band, I guess, um,

And that did pretty well for a while actually, and then Salem kind

of this band, a couple members left. We started a band called Sage

a sa Je which was a little bit out there. Um, but we

did. We did again pretty well for a little while. And then um,

and then I think you and I met from a Craigstad or something,

right, and then it was I think it was New England Rocks. Yeah,

yeah, I do, I do. Yeah. He was you know,

bass player and singer guitarist looking for drummer, and I was a drummer

looking for them, and yeah, we got together and we're like, you

know what, let's just start from scratch, new name, new songs,

knew everything. Yeah, so I didn't draw any anything from my past.

Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, we used to practice.

Said that first practice space was the town clerk of Atkinson's house, really clerk's

basement, Linda. Oh, how jammed up in the in Linda's basement,

don't ask we I knew a light guy named Gary who lived in Atkinson,

who liked Salem and he was a fan of that Salem Sage stuff my past

bands. And then we were looking for a place to practice again, and

he was friends with the town clerk and she just loved music, right,

and she was all about that. Um. And I remember many nights three

am trying there was like the scares from Hell. Yeah, I went down

there. You'd like have to carry these you know, back then everything was

gigantic heavy, right, so like you're trying to do this at three in

the morning, and you know, um, but great times. They We

probably still have equipment in those cupboards stands the um. Yeah. So it's

been a quite an interesting ride. And I think the cool thing about,

of course flag Gulch is it feels like or kids again, you know what

I mean? And definitely all yeah, we're not. We're not superhold by

any means. But I think from a musical perspective, it's fun and exciting

to be able to write new stuff with no nothing kind of confining you.

Yeah. And and the fact that the songs just keep flowing, you know.

And that's that's from a musicians standpoint and artists standpoint, that's you don't

want to put a stop on that. So I think we're kind of taking

whatever the heavens gives us and running with it here. So, by the

way, I've been told in the chat room, Edgewise played with the stage

a bunch back in the day. I do remember that. Yeah, I

remember that. Yep, yep, so Edgewise. You're twenty six two,

right, we're all twenty six here. If you're just joining us, We've

got the guys from horse Fly Golch here in studio with us. And if

you have any questions or any feedback at all for the band, the studio

line is open six z three two five six seven six three two five six

seven. Also, we'll just say hello to everybody in the chat room.

I did mention Edgewise in there and uh oh, Steve, I see you're

in there. Excellent and uh Texas Mike. Of course we mentioned earlier Melanie

Liberty from the Great State of Vermont. We have a board seven, who

is from, of course, Greensboro, North Carolina. These a lot of

hashtags there in Greensboro. It's very interesting. Now Jay fed is in the

chat, of course, from the Great State of Vermont, and he has

a question and he asks this of all the musical guests. He's kind of

shopping around, and I think he's running out of time. I think,

yes, I have this figured out. By September. Do you guys play

birthday parties? I think we'll play anywhere as long as Anna win throws anything

shop at us. Okay, So yes, now I must now he didn't

bring up this part yet in the chat room, but I feel a duty

to forewarn you about this before you even entertain any such agreement. He will

probably invite you. I don't think this is compulsory if you go there and

play necessarily, but he will probably invite you to join him in an ice

bath. I don't know how you all feel about that. Personally, I

find the idea terrifying, you know, hypothermia, things like that, but

apparently it can be very healthy and refreshing. I guess I don't know,

so just sum up for that. I would do it. Yeah, if

it's ninety degrees, oh, after we've done playing covered with sweat, you'll

hop in some ice. Yeah. I don't understand any of it, but

yes, all right, there you go. These might be your guys,

Jay fed, These these might be uh, these might be the guys to

do that. Um, well we'll write a song called frozen. Yes,

feel like we're gonna all go home like Han Solo. Here you go.

Jenny is in the chatwoman says shalom peeps from Reagan Airport in d C.

Yes, she's flying back from Washington, DC today. Nice, Hello,

very exciting. Yes, yes, um so, now what's the strategy as

far as because you kind of told me this off air, but what's the

strategy as far as releasing new music with this project? They're coming out at

one at a time every however often Yeah, Um, as quick as we

can put them together and get them out but have them sound decent. So

we've been averaging six to eight weeks. Um would like to hit six every

time obviously, yeah. Um, but we're just gonna try and keep releasing

songs every six weeks and until we don't you know, is um is the

idea to eventually have enough that because I've seen a lot of artists of this

now where they release a single, you know, like every four or six

weeks whatever it is, and then eventually those singles at a certain point become

an album. Yes, So that's exactly what the plan is. So if

you're looking at something particularly like Spotify, right, it's what kind of do

with doing the waterfall release method, right, which we released the One that

Got Away, which is our first single, and then we just released Snake

Dance, which you played, and theoretically Snake Dance is our an EP.

Right, So you see, if you go on Spotify, you'll see those

two songs, and then you'll see those you'll see three songs. In a

couple of weeks, you'll see a fourth song. So eventually all that stuff

is going to come to fruition and be a full length album. At this

point, to be honest, we'd like to do a vinyl run too,

if possibly a double vinyl album because as a crazy Minds work, and the

way we've always loved progressive music. These songs actually represent a story, so

one side is from one person's view of the story and the other side from

another person's view. So it it. It's unique kind of concept that will

kind of run with and seeing where it goes. So yeah, yeah,

Um, any any plans for I mean, there's a lyric video I think

right for the one that got away. Any any plans for to do a

proper like a because it seems like it's easier than ever to make videos.

You know, if you got an iPhone and you can, you can do

some really amazing things. Yeah, we got Um, we actually are in

the process of filming a video. Um, what's it is? High weekend

in June? Something? Is it with the release or I think it is?

Yeah, all right, well yes the next song should come with a

video. Both released them the same day. Cool, it will will come

with it will excellent? Are you are you guys making that yourselves? Are

you working with anybody on that? A good friend of mine, Christian Patty,

Um, he will be helping us with the production part of it and

stuff and be doing most of the editing. Uh. Um. He's a

you know he he's a great friend, loves it, takes pictures and wants

to take it a step further, and has worked with UM some video stuff

before. So we are looking forward to having a real nice classic, you

know, whatever, whatever it comes out, there may be snakes, snakes

like that. You never know, you know, is it going to be

for Snake Dance? No? You know. Originally it was UM and the

concept kind of holds true. It was nice and interchangeable. So I think

the next song I think we're releasing it is called The Long Road, and

from a single perspective, it's got that thing on it, that thing.

We don't know what that thing means, or if we all knew what that

thing means, we all be millionaires, right, But I think it's from

a single perspective, we think it makes sense to kind of put the video

behind this particular song. But in the concept for this Nick Dance and this

they're actually close to each other in the story, So okay, from a

video perspective, it's kind of easy to yeah, yeah, that changed.

So it's funny. I was having a conversation with somebody recently on the show

about music videos and because there are people who I'm sure you guys run into

it. There are people who have this idea that you know, since MTV

stop showing videos, I don't know if they show any at all anymore.

A long time ago that the music videos are just like a completely dead medium,

and it's like there's really if you go on YouTube, there's more.

I mean there's there's artists, you know, of course, they're like major

artists who have a lot of money. Like if Beyonce, you know,

puts out a new album, you'll get a video for every single song.

There's actually more videos than ever. I think I agree with you. I

think a lot of people don't even know a song is released unless as a

video for it, right, And that goes down when when you say video

now it's it's reels stories, you know, let's not even get into TikTok.

So I think I think videos are more important then probably even the MTV

days at this point, because that's that's all people do. We see it

every day, right, you go anywhere, people just scrolling through their next

thing, right, and that's that's how it is these days. Um So

we've as a band, we even the mindset X. I think we were

never very diligent about making good videos. I mean, we made a couple

of good videos with Amanda. We made too, I think, and I

think that's as far as we went. We were just going way back.

Yeah we did oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Atmosphere had a video.

Then we did snakes in here and there, so we we got to get

on that bandwagon. I think, you know, we've learned thirty years later,

maybe we should make some more videos. Yeah. No, I think

you're right though that now it's more important than ever, you know, because

especially now, you make a video and then you can share it everywhere.

And I remember being a kid, and uh, I would with the VCR.

I would record videos off of MTV, you know how the Beta Max.

Yeah, I know I'm not quite that old, but but I did.

But I did do the VHS and uh, I mean I remember Beta

Max. I know what it is. But it's funny that actually better quality,

and yet that's the one that died. But but yeah, I remember

recording videos off of MTV and hoping that, you know, my my favorite

video would come on and I would record it and it was a big deal

and then I'd get really upset, if you know, after a while the

tape would wear out, and then it's like, oh, I don't have

that video anymore, and that song is not popular anymore. They're never going

to show it again. Yeah, you know, now I'm just screwed,

you know. And now in the year twenty twenty three, any any music

video I've ever wanted to see, I can just go on YouTube and type

it in such a crazy thing, like the videos video thing, especially in

so many variables with that, where like you have to keep in mind,

like the demographic that your band is kind of aiming for, right, So

obviously, if if you're aiming for eighteen nineteen year olds, it's all TikTok,

snapchat and all that stuff. Yeah, but there is still a group

like if you're aiming for you know, forty five year old whatever, fifty

year olds, I mean they still buy cts. Oh yeah. So yeah,

you're kind of going to find that weird middle ground. You make a

small CD run, you're at the same time you're supposed to be on social

media daily and all this fun stuff. And you know, if there's any

social media managers out there, please give us a call, yeah, because

this is not an easy thing to do, and it's a lot to keep

up with, a lot to keep up constantly changing and evolving and yeah,

who who does that? Like, do you guys all just kind of handle

that yourselves, all three of you? Or right now? Yeah, right

now, we're just doing it ourselves. Yeah, I mean, Steve does

a majority of it, but I'm doing what I can. Paul and I

are doing what I can pitch in you know what I mean? Yeah,

yeah, absolutely. Um, are there any live performances on YouTube? I

didn't. I didn't. There's one. It's got the first three songs from

the first show. Oh okay, Um, well yeah it's um. I

actually requested so Tom O'Connor's friend there. I did request a copy of it,

but I haven't got yet. But there is one that should be floating

around YouTube somewhere. And funny it has to only as mindset X. We

always wanted to write an instrumental and we never did, and then really surprised.

Yeah, I don't know why. We every time we wrote the song,

we're like, oh, which is this is this lyrics? But then

then we wrote the Outlaw, and the Outlaw was like, this doesn't need

any lyrics. So it's the first instrument that we've ever written as a band

is actually on this too, and that's actually recorded. It's on that video.

So every time I'm watching, like, yeah, like that's all.

We have a call. Hi, welcome to Matt Connorton Unleashed Too. Is

this I'm add It's Gary? Hey Gary, how are you doing? We

are? We are short on time, my friend, So I'll just ask

you to be be terrists if you would. No, I was just wondering

if they would do like maybe MPR's tiny guest concerts. Oh, I can

imagine you guys on there. Yeah, absolutely the contact information for that.

Yeah, we just actually talked about that last week in one of our little

band meetings. UM, so the answer would be, we would definitely be

luring that option, and if we can, um some help pulled it off,

we'll definitely promote the heck out of it. So oh yeah, yeah,

yeah, because I've seen a lot of I've seen a lot of the

good. They've got a lot of good groups and a lot of good people

on there, and uh and they yeah, they do and they you know,

like I just saw a couple of them and there was this Latin group

all girl, and they had they were playing with a susaphone and uh some

some brass and then uh girls, but they were really good. This girl

was played twelve strings, played six string. It's really good at it,

so very very cool. Yeah, and then they support all the genres too,

which is nice. Yeah, we'll definitely see what we can do to

get on that. I appreciate that. And yeah, if you guys do

videos, maybe you could get Melanie to start on one of your videos.

You know, I don't know who Melanie is, but it's always looking for

something like that, you know in Vermont, you know. Oh yeah,

cool, Yeah, have her send us an email on our websitehust play girls

stuck them at Chris cool. Well, well if you go for the birthday

party, Chris nice. All right, Well let's go, Maddie. I

know I talked to one, but I just wanted to put my two cents

in on. Thank you very much, No, thank you, no worries,

Gary, We appreciate the call. Yeah, all right, and I

love Jenny. Tell Jenny I'm so proud of her. I heard her.

I'm so proud of her. So absolutely we'll do we'll do all right,

great, all right, Gary, Thanks, have a great evening. By

all right bye bye, all right, very nice. That was our friend

Gary, and we are we are nearing the end of the show, so

before we run out of time, I want to make sure you mentioned,

of course, where people should go online. Oh question, where does the

name come from? By the way, where supply goals back? It was

very spontaneous really. Uh yeah. We were on our bi weekly or weekly

little zoom meeting that we do to try and move things forward when we're not

physically together practicing or writing. Yeah, and we were just thrown around ideas

and one of us blurted it out, like, hey, what about this?

Yeah, it seems to stick, you know. And plus, you

know, it's hard to find a name nowadays. Everything's taken right, right,

you know, you go on that you can go on these name generators

online and stuff and come up with some two or three silly words that don't

really make sense together. Yeah, that kind of made sense. And there's

actually a horse flight. Gulch is a place in Idaho or something. Right,

it's literally adult, it's like in between two ravines. We knew it

would be some sort of Western vibe because that was the salad music we were

writing, right, guls I mean it's not country by any means, but

I think it definitely pays homage too, a little bit of the rocketbilly folky

stuff, right, So we want something to fit that, and originally was

going to be the bar Flies right then, just like seven million of the

band, I wasna, no matter what's spelling you did or whatever they did

in the bar Flyes, and that didn't even want kennel. Yeah right,

No, I like, uh worst flag Goolts. It's a good name.

It's uh, we're pretty happy with its memorable. Yeah, no, it

is. It is, all right. So what should people know about where

to find you guys online? Keep up with what you're doing, go to

shows, get your music, all of that. I'm looking at you,

Poe, Well you do most of the media I do, all right.

So flaggols dot com is our official website, and I think Instagram and Facebook

definitely in the two social media platforms that we're kind of really into at the

moments, Instagram will probably the one that you'll find us on the most as

we move forward. We do have a band camp and there is a SoundCloud

and all that fun stuff, but I think Facebook, Instagram hostflagols dot com.

It's kind of the main places. And obviously at the website, all

the links are right up tops YouTube, right yeah, YouTube. The videos

will always be up on YouTube. But I'm not sure how much of a

creator aspect we're going to be able to play with that, because that just

takes so much time. And yeah, I don't think we chose that avenue,

but it is on YouTube music and in several other pretty much all the

platform all all the streaming platforms are on. So if I could give any

love out there, and I could say, if you could do anything for

us to help the pandout, go on Spotify, give us a like,

adds to your playlist, um, because because that's with a three cents a

month rows in. Yeah, that's right, that's right, all right,

very good, very good. And uh we'll close out the show with what

now? What's is snake Dance the current single? Or is it that's the

newest one. That's the newest one, so well I played it earlier,

but well we'll close with it too. Cool, great great song. Thank

you. Um, I love both of them, but yeah, this is

a this is a great track, gentleman, Adam, Steve Paul, thank

you all so much. Good to see you see, this has been wonderful.

And if you miss any part of and Horsey or whatever its name will

be ultimately, and if you missed any part of today's show, it will

be up in just a little bit at WMNH radio dot org and a my

website, Matt Connerton dot com. And uh, we're gonna go ahead and

get out of here. Let's listen to some snake dance from horse Fly Gulch.

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