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your live streaming options, social media links, contact info, show archives,

et cetera, et cetera. It is Saturday May eighteen, twenty twenty four.

Thank you again to Hope the Rapper for joining us during the first hour

and for giving us the honor and privilege to do his world radio premiere of

his new track Mama. So that was very nice. And my my Mama

came to visit recently. Yeah yeah, the week before day. Yeah yeah,

Jenny is here, of course at the news table. I was wondering

if you were going to go around to say that, Well, of course,

yeah, you waited a while you're at the news table. I am,

yes, I am, that's right. Yeah, on this late May

eighteen, twenty twenty four. Coming up in the third hour today, we've

got a great band coming in waylam Park is going to be joining us and

we will feature some of their music and get to know those guys a bit

they are from. So I didn't real it was actually last night during retro

Spectrum Radio, or it might have been after a conversation we had afterward,

but h oh, no, it was during the show, that's right,

Because I was plugging my show and Paul was asking me who the guests were

today and I mentioned Whale Park, and I guess that that was an actual

amusement park in Massachusetts. I didn't know. I didn't know that going to

all of those parks Paragon Park, I was, you know down Oh god,

all that was my youth. Yeah, I didn't know that apparently.

I assume that's where they're I assume that's where their name came from. But

we'll ask them about that when they well could be they're young though. Yeah,

does that park still exist? I don't know. I have no idea.

I'm not sure either, but we'll ask those guys when they get here.

So they will be joining us in the third hour. They have a

great sound and kind of eclectic too, so I really liked them a lot.

By the way, that track that we played too at the beginning at

the top of this hour was Hishen, the band that we had one of

the bands that we had last week on the show, New Awakens from their

album Awaken the Endless Deep, and they played last Saturday at at Terminus in

Nashua, and so they joined us and really fascinating. They were not in

studio with us but via phone. But the Whale and Park is playing there

tonight tonight. Yeah, it's hard to keep track. They're they're doing so

much there at Terminus in Nashua. But yeah, I really love this spand

Haishen and then yeah, so Whale and Park will be there tonight. We

should talk about what we did last Saturday where we were. Yes, we

were at the opening of the Resurgence out of the Botanical Juried Art Show at

the Mosaic Art Collective, located right here in the Queen City of Manchester.

It was an amazing event. I oh my god, it was. It's

it's still up now you can go and see the show. It lasts until

the end of this month, and it's so color are full. There are

so many amazing because of course, the whole theme of it, if you

will, had to do with flowers, and there were three florists that actually

created beautiful floral bouquets to auction off, and they were incredible and they were

inspired by the beauty of the artwork around the room. So those got auctioned

off and that was great and I won one of them. Yes, And

there was a funny thing about that because when you and I were heading into

the show, I was reminiscing as a little girl growing up with lilac bushes

outside the house. Because all the lilacs are in bloom right now and it

smellst beautifully. My sinus is can attest to that. Yes, yeah,

that's true. I'm sorry. I love the flowers, but I know they

are not kind to you. Yes, but I ended up winning a beautiful

bouquet of purple flowers with lilacs in them, and purple's my favorite color,

So bonus. You should go check out the show. It's the opening reception,

like we said, was last weekend. It was well attended. It

was a great time. Of course, they were lovely nashies to drink,

to eat and things to drink and so forth. If you've never been to

an opening at the Mosaic Art Collective, I highly highly recommend going. They

also have upcoming and this is just around the corner. On May twenty second,

they're having a teranium building workshop with artist Emily Roy and that's going to

happen on May twenty second from five forty five pm to eight pm. It's

forty dollars for that evening class for mechanical bliss. There is limited space,

so you know, it's only around the corner, so give give them a

call or visit the Mosaic Artcollective dot com for more information on that and on

that show and upcoming shows. If you are an artist, you should absolutely

consider submitting to one of the shows. Now. The next show coming up

will be June, and there is an open call for that. It's called

Lux reflecting Queer Beauty and Resilience. It's going to be for June third to

June thirtieth, with an opening reception on June eighth. So if you are

interested in showing your work, absolutely check it out. It's an open call.

It's well worth it. I'll tell you. When I first submitted,

I didn't think I would ever ever ever get a piece in This is going

to take me forever. So what I did actually get a piece and it

really felt good, and it was really amazing to be among so many wonderful

people and so many beautiful pieces of work. And you can do the same.

It's going to mosaic Arcollective dot com and check that out. Yes,

yes, very good. Oh we should mention too. In our Facebook live

chat, Spelfy Ham joins us from Terminus, which is of course part of

the Midnight Creative Collective. I believe we met her at the open house.

Yes, so she's saying the amusement park is gone, it's apartments now.

The Whalam Park that doesn't surprise me. That doesn't surprise me at all.

Yeah. I went home to Plymouth, Massachusetts and it's all apartment buildings.

Now, yeah, it blocks the ocean. I really don't like that part.

And she said, I love Whaleam Park. They were so excited when

I asked them to play for us. Yeah, very good. No,

we're excited to have them on the show. Yeah, Terminus is getting a

lot of great artists and this is really turning into a hot spot for music.

Oh. Absolutely really really checked them out, ye, also known as

the Midnight Art Collective. Are creative create Creative collective? Midnight Creative Collective?

Is it creative or creatives? You threw me and I threw you this is

not happening. But we were at the open house the Midnight Creatives Collective.

Yes, yes, please forgive me forgetting that wrong. Yes, yeah,

we were at the open house for that really really impressive and our friend Eleanor

and of course and Spellfie and they were doing a fantastic job. There.

I'll drop a link to Midnight Creative spacebook page right there in the chat room

for you guys. You can check it out for yourself and go and catch

a show. Absolutely, we've got a specific subject we're going to get into

a little bit here in the second hour. Our guest who we had scheduled

for today in the second hour was had to reschedule completely understandable, so that

will be so they will be here, just not today, so we have

a little bit of time. But there's always a lot of interesting things.

No Spelthy, I don't think we're going to be able to make it tonight,

unfortunately, but we will get to another show there soon. Definitely.

There's a lot going on, of course with well, we had a few

different options we were looking at as far as subjects we could discuss music industry

related, but AI continues to be a major subject. And this story really

caught my attention because this is an issue that I've actually worked on personally in

the past, protecting identities, protecting information, of course, not to this

extent of AI. Yeah, it's an aspect I didn't think about. Well,

yeah, nobody nobody did until relatively recently. And uh, the way

AI is impacting music And by the way, this is not part of the

main subject. I've got a story here that I want to look at,

but involving Sony music group. But as kind of a side note, I

don't know if I mentioned this at all on the show. I don't think

so. But I posted on social media about this, the new Motley Crue

song Dogs of War. There's these There's a website called The Metal Den that

started this that is not necessarily reputable in terms of their sourcing and whatnot,

but they started this. They put out this story claiming that that the song

that Bob Rock, the producer on the song create, actually created the song

entirely out of ai and that it's Motley Crue isn't even on the actual song.

But I think that's just uh, I don't think that's and play.

Yeah, it's not like they're obscure. Yeah, I don't. I don't

think it's I don't think it's true. But it's something that this website put

out there and it's been circulating. There's there's all kinds of stories about there's

a story about now. I just saw that claiming that Scott Stapp, formerly

of Creed, actually contributed vocals to the track and that it's not really uh,

it's not really Vince Neil. Yeah, that that's a new rumor about

it. I don't think any of that's true. You don't know, but

I did. I mean, I understand the skepticism about Vince Neil's singing,

but even if he's terrible, and he is, you can fix all that

in the studio. You don't need to replace him with a different singer and

manipulate it to sound like Vince Neil. But I I did, you know,

Vince Neil takes a lot of crap for not being able to sing anymore,

basically, And I'd shared out recently on social media of video I saw

of a recent concert that they did where they opened with Primal Screen, which

is my favorite Motley Crue song, And I click on the video and I'm

like, oh cool, and then Vince starts singing. It's so bad.

It's like he's not even singing, He's just kind of he's just kind of

blurting out the words. It's so so horrible, and it reminded me of

years ago, and it bumms me out because you know, one of my

all time favor events years ago, I saw Motley. It was the last

time I seen Molly cru live. It was when they did a co headlining

tour with Kiss and I was with Dan Randall of Dan Randall and the Randlettes.

If you're a listener of Retrospectu Radio, you might be familiar with Dan.

We went and saw them at in what was it at that point,

the Comcast Center in Uh some people still call it Great Woods to this day

anyway, but out in Mansfield. But we went and saw them and they

they played. Uh, there was a moment. See, when you're actually

there live, it's much harder too because it's live, so if someone hits

a wrong note or something, you don't really necessarily notice it unless you go

back later and watch it on somebody's YouTube video. But there's a moment during

it was Don't Go Away Mad, another one of my favorites. You know

the song, Yeah, girl, Don't go Away Mad. During that the

fast part at the end, you know how the song kind of changes at

the end, Vince Neil hit a note so sour that Dan and I actually

looked at each other like, WHOA, what was that? Anyway? So

he's who knows, But I'm just saying I don't think the rumor is true

about that song being created with Ais. The thing about AI though, it's

so hard to know what's real and what's not real these days. Well,

there have been examples of Yeah, of things being put out that have fooled

people. Yeah, were AI generated some scary stuff that could actually be used

to harm people. I mean this, This technology is really invasive in many,

many, many ways. We talked on the show about that George Carlin

special. Yeah, that is completely AI created, of course, because he's

passed away. Yes, if you were unaware, AI is making the dead

rise. Even that, though, there's some skepticism because the people who created

that claim that the entire that that the whole thing was AI generated, And

there's there's some people who are saying, there's no way AI wrote some of

those jokes. Because the thing is that that George Carlin thing, it actually

I listen to the whole thing. Some of it's actually really good. But

there's people some people are saying that, you know that the people who created

it aren't being completely honest when it wasn't entirely AI generated. It couldn't have

been because there's no way some of those jokes, some of those jokes are

much too clever to to and and Carlin esque, I dare say to have

actually been AI. Well, you really can't say that for one hundred certainty,

because if you're training the AI with George Carlin, Okay, now write

George Carlin jokes. You've trained the AI to follow his history, his his

cadence patterns, then yeah, why couldn't it potentially craft a Carlin esque joke?

Right right? Well, here is this is a story that just popped

up. This is from NBC News nbcnews dot com. Sony Music Group warns

more than seven hundred companies against using its content to train AI. The company

said songwriters and recording artists rights, including copyrights, still need to be respected

amid innovations in AI, which also, by the way, this relates to

some of the conversation we were having earlier with Hope the Rapper about about music

and rights and royalties and all that kind of. Yeah, exactly. AI

has taken what was already a complex problem and exacerbated it quite a bit.

So it says here one of the biggest record labels in the world is issue.

He notices warning hundreds of companies not to train artificial intelligence models on its

content without permission. By the way, the first thing that comes to mind

when I read that is how I mean so is Sony gonna start suing these

companies. How are they even going to know? Like, how would you

even how would you even be able to prove that that a company is using

your content specifically to train an AI model. I think that would be be

encoded into the AI's content as far as its own, it's it's memory banks,

if you will, for use of a generic terminology, whatever's been utilized

to help train it is going to be a part of its memory, a

part of its collective computing. Don't it doesn't get erased out afterwards. I

don't think. Yeah, but I don't know. It has to have computer

has to have something to draw its information from, right, It doesn't pull

it out of thin air. It has to have places to go to pull

that information. So if you're training it, you're feeding it all of this

information, then it should, in theory, be encoded into its information.

So then you could go back and say, hey, you know you were

using George Thoroughgood to train this AI. Are you using this to try and

train kiss? Yeah, but if you're teaching the computer via other artists,

then those artists become a part of its persona. If you will, again,

trying to be generic on that then is it not writing from those artists?

But how is Sony? How if Sony is going to how's it going

to know that they're using it? Yeah? And I'm not posing this question

thinking that there's an answer out there. I'm actually posing this question saying I

don't think there's an answer out there yet because this is also new. But

how is sony? And that's part of what makes it so fascinating to me?

But how is Sony going to? Yeah? How are they going to

know? And then how does Sony then a broach a company and say we

think, you know, we think you've been using our artist's work to train

your you know, because it's all machine learning to train your AI systems,

uh, and you have to prove to us that you're not doing that.

And if you can't prove to us that you're not doing that, then we're

going to see you or something like how I don't know how this is going

to work. You can't train AI without information, And if you're going to

train it on music, how do you train music without using music to teach

it what music is? Right? So, yeah, this is pretty It's

like where's that where's that line on AI creation? Yeah, how do you

tell when it's crossing over? I mean, I still think there's going to

be something inside of the computer's memory banks itself, some kind of something that

you can go, yeah, that's in there and it's such and such artist.

But how do you get into that? How do you know? Now?

The article, the NBC article shows that Europe is ahead of us on

this issue. The European Unions already created law to try and protect artists and

and kind of try and spell out what kind of content they're allowed to use

to train these AI models or these AI systems all what you call them?

Yeah, models, I suppose that works. Chris Warrior, our friend do

Chrispy the comedian says, Hi, guys, can you get a restraining order

on AI? I think so? Yeah, Selfie, I'm sorry. Spelfe

Ham said, I wish there was an AI robot following Eleanor and I through

BJ's trying to play Marco Polo with me. Well, it sounds fun,

it's not all bad. So if an AI song, like, if it's

a singer, you're gonna probably write, You're gonna recognize the voice. So

I suppose if you like you're a basis, you know, certain each artist

has a certain tone or intonation that's unique onto themselves. I suppose if you

pick up on something like that, then maybe you can try and say,

oh, this is my you know, you've encroached on me. But but

even that, But even that, because because even with human generated music,

which it sounds strange to even say that, but even with human generated music,

everybody's in See, this is where it gets really complicated, really fast.

Everybody's influenced by artists who came before them, right, right, So

you take AI out of the equation, well, human beings, and this

is why human beings sue each other for things like copyright infringement and intellectual property

and all of it. Because and plagiarism, because human beings are all influenced

by other human beings. And every musician is influenced by all the music that

came before them. So even that gets very dicey. Because we've done on

retrospectrum radio, we've done shows, actually we've done a bunch of them now

where the theme has been musical plagiarism. Yeah, you know, and and

Paul, we'll play a song and play another song and say, okay,

these two songs you know, one artist sued the other, and we all

have to say, you know, do we think the artist is guilty or

not guilty of plagiarism. And I'm very lenient with that because I believe everybody

was influenced by somebody else, So I'll usually say not guilty unless it's Led

Zeppelin, the most plagiaristic musicians in history. I think that Europe's really got

something going here because they've passed a comprehensive lot and it requires these companies to

make public, with sufficient details, a summary of the content that they used

to train those models. So they have to give you a this is what

we used to train it. They have to make it public. That would

be something that I think would be very good to do here in the United

States to help protect artists here that you know, we've got to You've got

to make public what you're doing to train this stuff, so when music comes

out of you, we know whether or not you're plagiarizing another artist. I

guess that's I mean, there has to be a way to control what AI

is doing, or it's just going to railroad artists and artists aren't going to

be making money up of their music at all, they're not gonna be able

to control their likeness, they're not going to be able to control their music.

On the other hand, though, and maybe I'm consider this plain Devil's

advocate, because obviously I want to advocate for artists always it's so hard to

make money with music as it is. But on the other hand, I'm

not sure, And on a practical sense, going back to you know,

if you're a human, you're you're learning from everything you were influenced by,

from all the music you've heard, So why then would it be any different

for an AI model You're regardless. I mean, all music that is being

created is being created based on music that's already been created, because I think

AI can sometimes it can be almost a carbon copy and it has the ability

to take in an artist and then spit it back out with different words and

it's the same artist, but it's reutilizing that, you know what I'm saying.

I do. It's like a It's almost it's like memorys in a way.

It's taking it in and it's spitting it back out, making it sound

a little different. But it's that artist. That's what people are worried about.

That's what people are saying, you know, I don't want to see

AI using this one's voice or taking this one's specific guitar style and duplicating it

into its own creation. It's not a human creation. It's a machine creation.

Not that that makes it bad in creation, but when it's utilizing,

when it's sucking in all that data and spitting it out making it sound a

little different, that's bad. That to me is plagiar That's that's plagiarism,

and we can't let AI do that. And it's so hard to protect musicians

as it is now. Artists have a very hard time getting paid for what

they do. Everybody else makes money off of them. Wait a minute,

though, so this is important. But so if an AI model learns an

artist's style and you know, whether it be writing, how they write,

or production, whatever it is, their sound, their vibe, whatever it

is, and then creates a work based on that style that sounds like that

artist but doesn't sound like any specific song by that artist, just sounds like

their style. That's not plagiarism, is it. How can that be played?

If it creates and which looking their intellectual property, and because you can

get back out slightly different. But here's the problem though, by that logic,

you could say, like the band Greta van Fleet, who sounds exactly

a young newer Yeah, they've been around for a little bit now, maybe

a decade, but a newer band, younger band that sounds exactly like and

I don't mean influenced by I don't mean kind of like that sounds exactly like

led Zeppelin. So should we call that plagiarism? Does Edelin allow it?

Well, they have no choice because Greta van Fleet. See here's the thing.

This is where it gets tricker. They sound, but they're all original

songs. They don't plagiarize any of Zeppelin's songs. They sound exactly like led

Zeppelin. If if you put on a Greta van Fleet song and you didn't

know who it was, and someone told you, hey, I found an

unreleased Led Zeppelin track that never came out, and they played it for you,

you would you would think it was led Zeppelin. I mean, I

don't know if you've ever listened to Greta van Fleet, but they have not.

You're caught, yeah, but I think you're dirting my pool because you're

mixing apples orthonages. You're taking human beings that are here in the now that

are doing one specific thing that the other person does have the option to maybe

go to court or have a claim that's it, that it's tangible, that

they can deal with. AI is a completely different animal. AI is accept

is taking everything in and spitting out that it's not it's to me. It's

vastly different when you're taking everybody else's information and you're using it to create something.

You're stealing all these people's data, all these people's personality information, and

then trying to spit it back out as your own. It's kind of like

having somebody else take the test for you and then you put your name on

it. Here's your own. But how is that any different from how a

human being operation? Human being is one individual entity that a person can actually

see, touch, take to court. We can control this. AI is

something that is international worldwide. If you don't control it at the start,

you cannot control it at the other end. Well, at least with a

human being, I have the ability to put a stop to that human being.

I can take them to court, I can do something with them.

But if I'm a human being as a human being, which I am,

by the way, for anyone who doesn't know, there's a rumor that I'm

some sort of android. Yeah, I shouldn't even go there, but it

gets very complicated. But but if I as a human being, so if

I write a song, I'm what informs me, and my ability to create

music is all the music that I've heard over the course of my life.

That's different. Why though, Because I think it's different because well, for

one thing, you're a human being. You're absorbing information from multiple entities,

and you're you're doing that as a human differently with the AI system, individuals

are with intent, loading this computer with your specifics, with the intent of

it spitting out something in return that is similar to or identical to. That's

entirely different. This is intentional. I'm going to use my computer to steal

every ounce of what makes you you and spit it back out to the world

in every way that I possibly can. And you're the horses out of the

bond. You can't control that. So we have to have it on the

front end that we control what is allowed to be fed into these AI systems,

right, because there's a difference there. Human beings absorb everything around them

and spit that back out in their own way. But if I intentionally load

a computer with all of you with the intent of its spitting you back out,

but for me without you see what I'm saying. But if that computer

spits something out, that is a completely original work. In other words,

if you but it's not original if you train the AI model, but to

absorb all of this work that's already been created, But then to create an

original work, I'm gonna correct you there. You cannot say a computer absorbs

Well, however, you you absorb information and spit it back out a certain

way. But a computer is fed and that's the only information it has to

go by, just what it's fed. Sure, well, that's also true

for all of us. So I mean, if I'm no, no,

no, no, no, no, I don't think so. Well.

If I'm if I'm a kid riding in a car and one of my parents

is playing the radio, They're they're feeding me, uh whatever that station is

playing. I don't control the radio. The adult in the car controls the

radio. No, no, nice, try red herring, red having I

mean, seriously, you are You're a human being taking information in multiple facets.

Nobody's in control of that, not you're give me a break. You

here, you're a human, You're getting info, you're getting your senses all

at the same time. He knows the spending something, you're ears a hearing

something. There's so many influences around you that conflate or compound what it is

that's in your environment. This is a difference. This is a box,

if you will, that is given card of information. Then that's all the

information it gets. And I, as a human being, intentionally feed that

in and I intentionally tell it give it to me with something new. I

am totally ripping you off. But there's something new. Part though, isn't

that what changes that? But that's not new when I'm doing it off of

all of you. I take your body of work and go, hey,

I twisted it a bit, and here this is new. So I get

to have it and you can go pound stand that's that's no, No,

it's not it's I I uh uh no. I here's the thing. I

agree with you in principle. But but there's also the practical application of all

of this, and that's what I'm skeptical about. Practical in other words,

how to sony, how does Sony pursuit We'll mix practical legal, Well,

how does Sony well, legally fine, how does Sony? How does Sony

follow up on their threat? They're threatening these companies, they will have to

look for if they hear their artist's voice coming out, that would be an

easy one, I guess. But if and that's the thing. Europe is

addressing this issue. We have an address this issue in Europe. The law

is very specific. I've been sitting here reading some of the law that was

passed in the European Union. So this is across the entire European Union the

EU, and that they're required to keep one hundred percent up to date all

the information and documentation that they use to teach these AI models. They're not

allowed. It says they cannot. It says they have to supply this information

without prejudice to the need to observe and protect intellectual property rights and confidential business

information or trade secrets in accordance with the Union. YadA, YadA, YadA.

They have to give them everything they've got to keep records and turn over

everything that they used to train that AI. And when I look at your

AI records and see that you've got you all over the place, you didn't

approve that, then yes, I get to step in and say, hey,

you're ripping off my artists, so I get to do that. We

need something like that here in the United States to protect American artists so they're

not ripped off by these companies. And that's where you come into the laws

that control how much you get to control your own image in your own work.

And that's what I meant by talking about that earlier. There's a writer

here in New Hampshire. Oh my gosh, it was Schallenger. Yes,

Sallenger. The family wanted to control the identity. And depending on when you

live in the world depends on how much you can control your identity. So

if you die in New Hampshire, you live in New Hampshire, you're only

allowed to control your identity until you're dead, and then your family has no

control over it. You could go to California your family gets to control your

identity for a hundred years or essentially trying to be one generation. So that's

where this stuff comes in too. Now we're making this situation war compounded because

now we have AI. So now I could theoretically feed Sallenger books into AI

and come out with a new Salinger book because I gave it all of Salinger's

works to train. So isn't that theft? I don't know. I mean,

because again, what if JD. Salinger is your favorite author and you

decide I'm going to write a book based on the style of writing of JD.

Salinger. That's you writing a book based on the style of JD.

Salinger, not you feeding a computer all of his books and then say,

hey, spit me out a new book. So that's the thing. That's

why we have to start at the beginning of where they're training these things and

control that if we're going to have any kind of hope of protecting the artists.

Yeah, a little bit more to this, yeah, says Sony Music

Group, which owns well known labels as Columbia, RCA and Epic, has

started sending formal letters to more than seven hundred generative AI companies. There's a

lot of companies doing this and streaming platforms prohibiting them from mining text or data,

webscraping, or otherwise using any SMG content without explicit licensing agreements. That

covers a wide variety of content, including audio recordings, musical compositions, including

lyrics, cover artwork and metadata, according to a copy of the letter obtained

by NBC News. In its letter, SMG said it recognizes the significant potential

and advancement of AI. It wrote, quote, However, on authorized use

of SMG content in the trading, development, or commercialization of AI systems deprives

SMG companies and SMG talent of control over and appropriate compensation for the users of

SMG content. Conflicts with the normal exploitation of those works, unreasonably prejudices our

legitimate interests and infringes our intellectual property and other rights. Unquote. Such activity

quote conflicts with the normal exploitation of these works, unreasonably prejudices our legitimate interests

and infringes our intellectual property and other rights unquote. Asks for comment. A

spokesperson for SMG referred NBC News to a declaration the company posted online on Thursday.

It wrote in the post, quote, evolutions and technology have frequently shifted

the course of creative industries. AI will likely continue that long standing trend.

However, that innovation must ensure that songwriters and recording artists rights, including copyrights,

are respected, unquote. The letter asks companies to either confirm that they

have not used SMG content without permission or if they have to provide details about

how the content was used in AI training. And I think that's excellent that

they literally went to them and said, listen, you need to tell us

if you've done this or not. But you know, I mean a lot

of these companies are gonna say, pound Sand we don't have to tell you

anything, not necessarily because depending on the state there, and there may be

laws that that what's the word I'm looking for compel them, Yeah, to

release the information there may be, But there have already been issues. There's

there's ones here that there has been incidences of AI used and when it was

found out, it was forced to be removed. So there, we're already

seeing it happen. Drake released tailor made freestyle that has an IP generated voice

of the late wrapper two bucks core Yeah now and that, but that track

ended up being removed from Drake's x and his Instagram accounts after shakurz Estate threatened

to sue him. Yeah, we do know. History tells us that government

UH is generally very poor at keeping up with technology. Sure, yeah,

it says here. While regulators protecting human made works still lag in the US

regulations. Rather, many companies have begun to negotiate their own agreements around the

licensing of their content for AI model training. Some have also used Some have

also sued rather AI companies, claiming their AI models were trained on copyrighted materials.

Some tracks that appear oh sorry, some tracks that appear to use AI

generated vocals have already popped up online. Last year, a viral song called

Heart on My Sleeve, created by an anonymous musician who goes by Ghostwriter,

featured vocals that sound like those of Drake and The Weekend. Yeah. I

remember that it was quickly taken down from streaming services because of the copyright claim

by Universal Music Group. In April, Drake released Tailor Made Freestyle. Yep.

You talked about that, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's interesting

at least something has been getting done in the fact that there was a recent

hearing where the CEO of Warner Music Group, Robert how do you say his

name connects? Not sure? Sure, it's ky and cl for our listeners,

I apologize for not pronouncing it correctly, where he's asking for the United

States to put laws in place to protect artists. I like his quote he

said, quote our fundamental position on AI is simple. Everyone should have the

right to decide how their own name, likeness, and voice is used,

he said in preparing his remarks. These characteristics are the very foundation of our

individuality. They are not simply data to be taken and used by others.

Each person's identity must not be used in ways that they would never condone or

wish to participate in. And that you know, you think about deep fakes,

and that's taking somebody else's will away from them as they're not consenting to

how they're being used in this computer model. So we do need to have

and we need to hurry up. Is like you said, we're pretty bad

at keeping up with technology because you know, this is going to undermine artists

everywhere and we can't have that. You know, we can't have that.

We can't allow artists don't make a lot as is. I mean, let's

talk about the fact that musicians really get very little of the money that they

generate. Right the venue does, their manager does, everybody else gets a

piece of the pie. By the time it gets down to the individual artists,

it's not usually a whole heck of a lot. Most artists make most

of their money off of their merchandise. Right, But if you're taking what

little I'm making on my music and you're taking that and feeding it into a

computer, and now that computer is spitting out songs that you're going to make

money on. But it's my likeness, it's my style, it's my music.

I think that's theft. I really think that's theft. Well, uh

oh, by the way, yeah a spelfi said in the chat room the

first time, Greta van Fleetch, she thought it was led Zeppelin. Yeah,

well, it'll be so interesting to see where all this goes. And

of course technology does often really alter the course of the music industry. Your

your favorite bandit Kiss this mini kiss, but Kiss approves of many kiss right,

Yeah, are there some kind of a thing there. This is an

individual that the Kiss can look at and say, yeah, we approve or

yeah we don't like you. Don't do this anymore. We can sue you.

You can't do that when you're used to train an entire system. By

the way, you mentioned deep fakes. And before we get to a break

and bring in our next guests, uh, do you remember do you remember

this? A classic moment from Matt Connorton Unleashed from Matt Connorton unleashed does this?

Hey Matt, this is actually you calling in. Thanks for taking my

call. Wow, this is wonderful. I always dreamt of the day where

I'd get to talk to myself. Curious if you remembered to pick up toilet

paper or if you plan to do it on the way home. We needed

to wipe our little bottom. Oh my goodness, Wow, I did not

know that we were out. But I'm really glad that you told or I'm

really glad that I told me. Our little bottom can get a bit messy.

Sometimes it feels like we use too much of that dang stuff toilet pape.

I mean right right toilet pape. I've never actually called is John Hopwood.

Oh John, I'm always thought of him as a father figure, mostly

because he always tries to spank my little bottom. I never let him,

but he keeps asking this must be an AI thing. Yes he does,

he does. How did I know that? I just mostly wanted to say

that I am very nice and very much a sweet little boy, and even

though my bottom gets a bit messy, I am a nice guy and someone

that people love. Ah, that's very nice. Thanks. Oh and one

more thing. Hopwood looks like an eighty six year old toddler and he makes

us mush up bananas for him for lunch. Well, yes, yes,

that is uh goodbye Matt, you at home in the mirror, thank you?

Yes, well very sad. I'll tell you what. That's a first

for me. I've never gotten to speak to myself now. Is it possible

that someone so anyway? Yeah, that was sure. That was a time.

I mean, you guys have that time machine Friday night. That's true.

That's true. No, we should give him a plug. That's actually

from not even a show, our friend Chris James, one of my favorite

Canadians. Uh, not even a show. That was Yes, that that

happened live on my show, but that was him calling my show with a

prank and we we love Chris. Yeah, that was really that was pretty

cool. That was pretty cool. But I did also upload it to my

YouTube channel as well. But yeah, Spelfie said in the chat room,

I say please and thank you when I talked to AI. I hope when

AI takes over the world, maybe if I am polite, they will remember

that and spare me because I was nice to them. Maybe know, war

against the machine. You know. It's funny about that though. Honestly,

and this is true when I'm using chat GPT and I ask it to do

something for me, I I do have a tendency to type please just out

of habit because I'm just I'm unfailingly polite, and I just because if I

know, because if I'm writing, like if I'm writing an email to someone,

you know, I'm going to say please, if I'm asking them to

do something for me, I do just out of habit. I do that

with chat GPT, even though I'm I'm communicating with a do sometimes I think

I've heard you do that. Yeah, Hey, that's what I was raised.

I knew please and thank you. Yes, yes, exactly exactly.

Well, anyway, it's an interesting subject and uh it will be fascinating to

watch as we move forward into this this brave new world of AI, which

in some ways isn't that as new as people perceive it to be. But

that's okay, But but it will be very interesting. Uh So, coming

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