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7:57 Speaker 15: I still love that song. It's got that sixty garage

8:00 Speaker 15: rock vibe that is don't You by Grimrock, And there's

8:03 Speaker 15: a very specific reason we played that. As we move

8:06 Speaker 15: into our third hour today of Matt connorton Unleashed, we

8:10 Speaker 15: are live, of course, from these studios of w m

8:12 Speaker 15: n H ninety five point three FM in Glorious Manchester,

8:16 Speaker 15: New Hampshire, on Canal Street. Today is Saturday July twenty seven,

8:19 Speaker 15: twenty twenty four. Jenny is here at the.

8:22 Speaker 16: News desk, present and account at farm or I.

8:24 Speaker 15: Should say news table, old habits, old habits. Yes, it's

8:28 Speaker 15: more of a table. And our friend Miriam banishes here

8:31 Speaker 15: as well. Hello Miriam. Hi, and the reason we played

8:35 Speaker 15: that so Grimrock, who by the way, is in the

8:37 Speaker 15: Facebook live chat and sent us something but don't You

8:40 Speaker 15: is the first song from Grimrock that we ever played

8:42 Speaker 15: on the show, and I do love it. We've played

8:45 Speaker 15: some of his other music as well, and I'm sure

8:47 Speaker 15: we will today as well. But he sent us a

8:51 Speaker 15: making sure the camera's on me for those watching you

8:53 Speaker 15: on the Facebook. We have a package. Grimrock sends us

8:57 Speaker 15: a lot of packages of things, which we love and

9:00 Speaker 15: appreciate very much. But we're opening this live on the air.

9:03 Speaker 16: He hangs in the office.

9:05 Speaker 15: Yes, yes, actually he does. And when we get the

9:08 Speaker 15: podcast back up and run, I.

9:10 Speaker 16: Love watching you struggle with packaging.

9:12 Speaker 15: Now this is uh yeah, I do struggle because this

9:14 Speaker 15: is very very well taped, which is good because you

9:17 Speaker 15: don't want it coming open.

9:19 Speaker 16: Uh during you need nails?

9:22 Speaker 15: I might I wonder if my keys will help me

9:24 Speaker 15: open this.

9:25 Speaker 16: That's a that is a very good go to.

9:27 Speaker 15: I don't pinch.

9:28 Speaker 16: It does work.

9:29 Speaker 15: I don't handle knives, as you know, that's my job. Yeah,

9:33 Speaker 15: because I'm like Flutts and if I handle knives, I'll

9:36 Speaker 15: end up with fewer fingers.

9:38 Speaker 7: Yeah.

9:38 Speaker 16: I don't feel like spending a day in the air.

9:41 Speaker 17: Sounds like me.

9:42 Speaker 16: Yeah, I feel like we need a drum roll. Yeah,

9:48 Speaker 16: don't miss the top cover. Don't miss the top cover

9:51 Speaker 16: inside the box lid. Flip it around, flip it around

9:55 Speaker 16: the other one, and there's writing there.

10:00 Speaker 15: It is. Thank you to the w M n H

10:03 Speaker 15: family for all of the support. Matt and Jen Rock's

10:06 Speaker 15: signed Grim. Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

10:10 Speaker 15: And this is oh, this is Brandy news autographed and everything.

10:16 Speaker 16: Yes, there's only a few copies that are getting signed,

10:19 Speaker 16: so we are privileged to be given a signed copy

10:22 Speaker 16: of the New Grim CD New.

10:24 Speaker 15: Grim CD g R five. We'll have to take a

10:27 Speaker 15: picture with this afterwards.

10:31 Speaker 16: Thank you so much for sending this to us.

10:33 Speaker 15: Yes, absolutely so enjoy you. We really appreciate it. And

10:35 Speaker 15: by the way, the track don't You that I just

10:37 Speaker 15: played is on the CD. It's track number five and

10:40 Speaker 15: that's Grim's uh so. The cover model who was in

10:44 Speaker 15: the chat room is tattoo Baby. Yes, spelled B A

10:47 Speaker 15: B I I, which threw me. I thought it was

10:50 Speaker 15: I was reading it earlier. I thought it was B

10:52 Speaker 15: A B I L. My ahs were not fully cooperated,

10:57 Speaker 15: I know, I was so close. No, it's B A

10:59 Speaker 15: B I I Baby on the cover of the new

11:02 Speaker 15: grim Rock CD and someone else is in the So

11:05 Speaker 15: this is the message. Just a quick note. Tattoo Baby

11:09 Speaker 15: is the cover model on the new CD. Matt Kirshner

11:12 Speaker 15: is the guy who mixed and mastered the new CD.

11:15 Speaker 15: Ian Hemy is a friend from Pittsburgh in the band

11:19 Speaker 15: Silicon Kong who will be playing and we will be

11:23 Speaker 15: playing several shows together. So oh that's a cool name,

11:26 Speaker 15: Silicon Kong.

11:27 Speaker 11: I like that.

11:28 Speaker 15: We got to get them on the show, so very good,

11:31 Speaker 15: very good. Yeah, thank you so much, thank you to

11:33 Speaker 15: all of you. Yes, and we'll we'll play some more,

11:36 Speaker 15: you know, we've we've featured several grim Rock tracks on

11:39 Speaker 15: the show, and we'll probably play something later in the

11:41 Speaker 15: show too. But thank you so much, very very kind.

11:45 Speaker 15: We love that support, support our friend Grimrock from Pennsylvania.

11:50 Speaker 15: And who was it that we met through him? Was

11:57 Speaker 15: it Lewis Tive.

11:59 Speaker 16: He's brought me a few artists several.

12:01 Speaker 15: Yeah, Lewis Ivey is the one I was thinking of,

12:03 Speaker 15: though from from across the Pond, we're also very fond of.

12:08 Speaker 15: So very cool, very cool. Miriam. Is this your first

12:11 Speaker 15: time being in the new studio?

12:13 Speaker 17: It is?

12:13 Speaker 15: What do you think?

12:15 Speaker 17: I like it.

12:16 Speaker 13: I kind of missed the window, but then again I

12:19 Speaker 13: don't miss the sun glaring, so.

12:22 Speaker 15: Yeah, I thought it would be weird at first.

12:24 Speaker 17: Yeah, it's actually kind of nice.

12:25 Speaker 13: I imagine it's probably easier for Gus not to have

12:29 Speaker 13: like the Actually it was the news desk that had

12:32 Speaker 13: the sun going right into people's faces.

12:34 Speaker 15: Right right, yes, yes, now this is this is wonderful.

12:38 Speaker 15: It's nice, it's it's clean, everything's new. It's very very beautiful.

12:42 Speaker 15: And all the guests that we have on the show

12:43 Speaker 15: they're quite impressed.

12:45 Speaker 17: I like this.

12:46 Speaker 13: I like the chairs because the floor there you go

12:50 Speaker 13: so far I could not reach the floor.

12:52 Speaker 15: There you go, there you go comfortable. Well we can

12:55 Speaker 15: since we don't have our original guest who was supposed

12:58 Speaker 15: to join us as not able to make it. You

13:00 Speaker 15: some sort of family emergency.

13:01 Speaker 16: I yeah, uh so help everything turns out?

13:04 Speaker 15: Okay, Well, we'll go ahead and open up the studio

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13:08 Speaker 15: that we do have in this hour six oh three

13:10 Speaker 15: two five six oh seven, six oh three two five

13:13 Speaker 15: oh six oh seven. And of course hello to uh

13:16 Speaker 15: everybody in the Facebook live chat who has joined us

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13:25 Speaker 15: we just had in the last hour. Oh here they

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14:20 Speaker 15: there you go. And in the first hour we talked

14:22 Speaker 15: with Sheila and Tony from Paper Jam magazine. So that

14:28 Speaker 15: was also very very cool.

14:29 Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely.

14:32 Speaker 16: Very enjoyable. Speaking that you mentioned about the cross the Pond.

14:35 Speaker 16: That's one of your special favorite places, isn't it, Miriam

14:39 Speaker 16: being across the pond.

14:41 Speaker 13: I ended up in England for a year. I have

14:45 Speaker 13: a master's degree from the London School of Economics. Most

14:48 Speaker 13: people don't know that about me.

14:50 Speaker 15: Yeah, I had no idea.

14:52 Speaker 16: You really didn't know.

14:53 Speaker 15: No, I didn't know that.

14:54 Speaker 13: Right's stories, which you know is nothing related to one

14:59 Speaker 13: of I do. Although no education ever goes wasted. People

15:05 Speaker 13: often will say to me, why aren't you doing more

15:06 Speaker 13: with your degree. I am doing things with my degree.

15:09 Speaker 13: I mean a degree teaches you how to think, I

15:15 Speaker 13: don't know, takes you to new places, crazy experiences.

15:20 Speaker 15: Yeah, oh well, very good.

15:23 Speaker 13: So yeah, I met Pete Townsend. That was kind of

15:28 Speaker 13: my big rock and roll story. I met Pete Townsend

15:31 Speaker 13: in London. Oh did you He was rehearsing something at

15:37 Speaker 13: a theater that was on campus, and that's the theater

15:39 Speaker 13: that I ended up going in when I graduated.

15:43 Speaker 17: So he was in there.

15:44 Speaker 13: He came out the door and he had bodyguards, and

15:48 Speaker 13: I didn't know it was him right away. Oh, just

15:50 Speaker 13: turn around and said, mister Townsend, can.

15:52 Speaker 17: Have your autograph.

15:54 Speaker 13: Yeah, And I walked by because I thought he didn't

15:57 Speaker 13: hear me, and then I turned to look back again

15:59 Speaker 13: and he was gesturing, oh, across the street for me

16:02 Speaker 13: to come across the street. Then a car came and

16:05 Speaker 13: he got scared that I was going to get hit

16:08 Speaker 13: by the car. And then I went and he signed

16:10 Speaker 13: an autograph with his own purple pen. So, oh, that's

16:14 Speaker 13: probably the craziest London story I have.

16:17 Speaker 15: Was he nice? He has a reputation for being a

16:18 Speaker 15: bit prickly, He was really nice.

16:21 Speaker 17: Yeah, oh that's very nice.

16:22 Speaker 13: I was surprised that he gestured me back over. I

16:25 Speaker 13: didn't really know that much except that I knew he

16:28 Speaker 13: was a big deal.

16:29 Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, I like the music.

16:32 Speaker 15: Did you run into mc jagger at all?

16:34 Speaker 17: I did not run into mcdagger.

16:36 Speaker 15: I only asked because I know that he attended the

16:38 Speaker 15: If I'm not mistaken, didn't he attend the London School.

16:40 Speaker 13: He did attend the London School of Economics quite a

16:42 Speaker 13: few years before I did, and he quit in order

16:45 Speaker 13: to become a rock and roll star.

16:47 Speaker 15: So yes, yes, you know, oh he never graduated. No, oh,

16:51 Speaker 15: I didn't know that.

16:52 Speaker 17: And so he makes good money though.

16:55 Speaker 13: You know, he made the right choice as far as

16:57 Speaker 13: London School of Economics is concerned, right, he took the

17:01 Speaker 13: best economy for him.

17:04 Speaker 15: Yes, yes, Oh. Matt Kirschner in the chat says, got

17:07 Speaker 15: to run. Guys, we'll be tuning in again. Love what

17:10 Speaker 15: you're doing here, Thank you, thank you, and we'd love

17:12 Speaker 15: to get you on the show in the very near future.

17:16 Speaker 15: And yeah, absolutely absolutely, m Yeah, they say that a

17:21 Speaker 15: lot of Mick. You know, Mick is known for his

17:23 Speaker 15: business acumen and uh that's I remember years ago reading

17:28 Speaker 15: that he had attended the London School of Economics and

17:30 Speaker 15: thought all that it kind of explains a lot, right absolutely.

17:36 Speaker 15: Speaking of across the pond, Uh, I just saw this

17:39 Speaker 15: story pop up about Shnead O'Connor and her wax figure. Apparently, Uh,

17:45 Speaker 15: it's been pulled because it looks terrible to see this.

17:49 Speaker 15: Did you see this? Yeah? Uh, this is from the Guardian.

17:52 Speaker 15: Shnad O'Connor waxwork pulled from Dublin Museum after backlash the

17:57 Speaker 15: Irish singer's brother speaks of shop hideous figure which looked

18:02 Speaker 15: nothing like her. And when I look at the image

18:06 Speaker 15: in the article again this is from the Guardian, it

18:08 Speaker 15: looks like reminds me of I forget the name of

18:12 Speaker 15: the character now from the first Star Trek movie, the

18:16 Speaker 15: woman with the shaved head, but yeah, it says Dublin's

18:19 Speaker 15: Wax Museum is withdrawing a figure of Sinead O'Connor amid

18:23 Speaker 15: criticism from her family and members of the public that

18:25 Speaker 15: it looked nothing like her. Then he reacted with shock

18:29 Speaker 15: when the waxwork figure was unveiled on Thursday. The museum's

18:33 Speaker 15: team met on Friday morning and decided to remove the

18:36 Speaker 15: waxwork of the Irish singer, admitting that it can do

18:39 Speaker 15: better and pledging to create a more accurate representation. Her brother,

18:43 Speaker 15: John O'Connor, said he was shocked when he first saw

18:46 Speaker 15: it online and said it did not look like her

18:48 Speaker 15: at all. Speaking on RTA radio's Liveline program on Friday

18:54 Speaker 15: after it was announced the figure would be withdrawn, he

18:58 Speaker 15: said he had not been made aware that a wax

19:01 Speaker 15: work of his sister was to be unveiled this week.

19:05 Speaker 15: Didn't even tell a family isn't that weird.

19:07 Speaker 16: It's very weird. I just sent you the picture, Miriam,

19:09 Speaker 16: so you could take a look at it too.

19:11 Speaker 15: Yeah, I don't. I agree. I agree.

19:13 Speaker 16: I don't think it looks like her. I think it's

19:16 Speaker 16: I think it was generic looking. It kind of looks

19:18 Speaker 16: like a.

19:19 Speaker 17: Star Trek sorry.

19:22 Speaker 15: The name, yeah, yeah, the character from Star Trek.

19:25 Speaker 16: Oh, I can't remember work No, from.

19:32 Speaker 15: The first Star Trek movie, the very the very first

19:35 Speaker 15: movie in seventy nine. You know the one where they

19:37 Speaker 15: had the uniforms that looked like pajamas. There's a character

19:40 Speaker 15: with a honestly a female with a bald head.

19:45 Speaker 13: Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, I

19:48 Speaker 13: can't think of her name.

19:51 Speaker 15: Yeah, the brother said quote. When I saw it online yesterday,

19:54 Speaker 15: I was shocked. I thought it looked something between a

19:56 Speaker 15: mannequin and something out of the Thunderbirds. I thought she

20:00 Speaker 15: made would have been very fond of looking well, and

20:03 Speaker 15: she certainly did. And if it was supposed to be

20:05 Speaker 15: a representation of her in her early twenties when she did,

20:09 Speaker 15: nothing compares to you, it just looked nothing like her.

20:12 Speaker 15: I thought it was hideous. A friend of mine said

20:15 Speaker 15: to me last night that he'd be that he'd seen

20:17 Speaker 15: better in Shaw's department store in the window. There's also

20:22 Speaker 15: enough visual stuff out there in terms of videos and

20:25 Speaker 15: photos that show what she did look like. Unquote. O'Connor

20:30 Speaker 15: suggested that a better way to honor his sister would

20:32 Speaker 15: be to put a statue of her in Dublin. He

20:35 Speaker 15: said it was particularly upsetting to speak about the issue

20:37 Speaker 15: on Friday, the first anniversary of her death at the

20:40 Speaker 15: age of fifty six. Okay, so it was a year

20:42 Speaker 15: ago that Dhad O'Connor passed away.

20:44 Speaker 16: Yes, natural causes. Yeah, fortunately, she was just found down.

20:50 Speaker 11: Yeah.

20:51 Speaker 15: Well, yeah, because in her home there was speculation at

20:53 Speaker 15: the time that she may have committed suicide. It was not.

20:55 Speaker 16: It was a natural causes. Does her her son, I

20:58 Speaker 16: think just within she did commit Yeah, yeah, within a

21:02 Speaker 16: I think it had been like about a year or so.

21:04 Speaker 15: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

21:05 Speaker 3: Yeah.

21:06 Speaker 16: He was very young too.

21:08 Speaker 15: Yeah.

21:09 Speaker 16: She had a lot of strife in her life, a

21:11 Speaker 16: lot of pain and suffering in her life that channeled

21:14 Speaker 16: into her music. That actually promoted her popularity because people

21:18 Speaker 16: could relate to her pain. Yeah, in ways that nobody

21:22 Speaker 16: else had brought it out. She was very unique, very

21:24 Speaker 16: unique in her style. I think she had four kids.

21:28 Speaker 16: I want to say, I don't know she she had

21:32 Speaker 16: a few, yeah, but I'm not exactly positive on how many.

21:37 Speaker 16: But it's weird that they would put up something like

21:39 Speaker 16: this and unveil it but not have the like when

21:41 Speaker 16: you want the family present to unveil the statue, you

21:44 Speaker 16: would think.

21:45 Speaker 15: Right, yeah, I mean, unless they were thinking, uh, oh,

21:48 Speaker 15: this doesn't look that great. Let's just not say anything

21:50 Speaker 15: and maybe they won't notice, you know.

21:53 Speaker 16: But really, did you see how many people turned out

21:56 Speaker 16: for her funeral? No one's gonna notice. Give me a break.

21:59 Speaker 15: Well, you know, if you just you keep it on

22:01 Speaker 15: the d L you know, with the wax figure, just

22:03 Speaker 15: just let it get out there organically, you know.

22:05 Speaker 11: Maybe uh you know.

22:07 Speaker 15: But that way, if the family doesn't know right away,

22:11 Speaker 15: you know, but it's been there for a while, it's harder.

22:13 Speaker 7: You know.

22:13 Speaker 15: Then It's like say a year went by and the

22:15 Speaker 15: family had no idea, and then one day the brother notices.

22:17 Speaker 15: If it's already been there for a year, it'd be

22:19 Speaker 15: kind of awkward for the brother to be like, hey,

22:21 Speaker 15: can you get rid of this? It's like a dude,

22:22 Speaker 15: it's already been there. A year.

22:25 Speaker 16: The facial structure isn't even close. I'm looking at this manigan,

22:29 Speaker 16: looking at the pictures of her, and going, I can

22:31 Speaker 16: understand why her brother was upset.

22:32 Speaker 15: Uh huh, Well, maybe there's something about her that's just

22:35 Speaker 15: difficult to recreate as a wax figure. I think would

22:39 Speaker 15: come on. Maybe maybe there's something I mean, maybe there's

22:43 Speaker 15: something about Irish people. It's just hard to stop it.

22:46 Speaker 15: I can say that I'm Irish, so it's not it's

22:49 Speaker 15: not racist.

22:50 Speaker 16: Talking about his Irish Irish melon.

22:52 Speaker 15: Yes, I do. I have an enormous head because Irish

22:55 Speaker 15: people have large heads. For mother, and yeah, no kidding

22:58 Speaker 15: not Yeah, she was torn up about it. But but

23:02 Speaker 15: I realized years ago what oh she was like, well

23:05 Speaker 15: my son was a freakishly large head. That's that's upsetting.

23:09 Speaker 15: But years ago, years and years ago. See, I never

23:12 Speaker 15: realized it for a lot of my life. And then

23:14 Speaker 15: one night I'm watching Conan O'Brien and he made a

23:16 Speaker 15: joke about his own very large head and said Irish

23:18 Speaker 15: people have large heads, and I'd never thought about this

23:20 Speaker 15: is one hundred percent true. By the way, this isn't

23:22 Speaker 15: just to be funny. This is true and I'd never

23:24 Speaker 15: thought about it before until he said that. I was like, wait,

23:26 Speaker 15: do I have a large head? And I went to

23:27 Speaker 15: look in the bathroom mirror and I was like, yeah,

23:29 Speaker 15: I do have a large head. And I'd never thought

23:31 Speaker 15: about it before, but I do. And then I realized

23:33 Speaker 15: that it is true. Like Chris Matthews. I used to

23:36 Speaker 15: watch a lot of hardball, Chris Matthews, he has a

23:39 Speaker 15: large head. He's got a big Irish hell, big Irish melon.

23:42 Speaker 15: And who else Tip O'Neil had a very large head.

23:46 Speaker 15: This is something Irish people have, I mean, And then

23:48 Speaker 15: I thought, wow, I do I have a big Irish hed.

23:49 Speaker 15: I look like a South Park character. I got this

23:52 Speaker 15: enormous head. But that's okay. I need a large head

23:55 Speaker 15: to hold my enormous sprain. Oh my god. So it's

23:59 Speaker 15: why Irish people are going to shove.

24:01 Speaker 16: Him through the door to fit him through at the

24:03 Speaker 16: end of the day.

24:04 Speaker 15: Why we're so smart we have enormous heads to hold

24:07 Speaker 15: our enormous brains. See, it all makes sense. But I

24:11 Speaker 15: have to say, in this pigure, this picture of the

24:15 Speaker 15: wax figure, I can't see how large the head is

24:18 Speaker 15: in proportion with the rest of the body. So I

24:21 Speaker 15: don't know if they made her with a large head

24:23 Speaker 15: or she even had a large head. I never noticed

24:25 Speaker 15: if Sinad O'Connor had a large head.

24:27 Speaker 16: But she stuck on this, aren't you.

24:28 Speaker 15: Well she's Irish. Yes, she's Irish, so she must have

24:33 Speaker 15: had a large head. We all do.

24:36 Speaker 16: Actually, I thought she was kind of demure, smaller in size.

24:40 Speaker 15: Yeah maybe maybe.

24:42 Speaker 16: Not all Irish people have big heads.

24:44 Speaker 15: Like you men. Maybe the people when they made the

24:46 Speaker 15: wax figure they created her with a larger head than

24:48 Speaker 15: she actually had because they figured, well, she's Irish, obviously

24:51 Speaker 15: we need to put this enormous head on top.

24:53 Speaker 17: Of the well.

24:54 Speaker 16: They did make it more rounded and less narrow than

24:56 Speaker 16: it truly is.

24:57 Speaker 15: So do you think so? Is that your assessment?

24:58 Speaker 16: That is my assessment.

24:59 Speaker 15: Yes, it's too it's too round.

25:01 Speaker 13: It's too round, Okay, I agree, Yeah.

25:05 Speaker 15: But well my head is round and I'm Irish.

25:09 Speaker 16: But hers has a narrowing chin. Mine not fully rounded.

25:13 Speaker 15: Actually mine's not fully rounded either, because I have a point.

25:16 Speaker 16: Do not have a point.

25:17 Speaker 15: I do have a point to your head, it's not point.

25:19 Speaker 15: I'm from France. I do have a conehead.

25:24 Speaker 16: This is what I've had to put up with all

25:26 Speaker 16: morning Miriam.

25:30 Speaker 15: So the brother he told on this radio show. He said, quote,

25:33 Speaker 15: I lost my sister, and to me that's important since

25:36 Speaker 15: she's not here to defend herself or to speak for herself.

25:39 Speaker 15: I just took it upon myself to contact you about it.

25:42 Speaker 15: Unquote yeah, because sometimes like because it's not like they

25:47 Speaker 15: only do wax figures of dead people, right, Sometimes they

25:51 Speaker 15: do wax figures of people who are alive. Like somebody

25:53 Speaker 15: somewhere made a wax figure of the rock and I

25:55 Speaker 15: remember the rock was like making fun of it, like, wow,

25:57 Speaker 15: that doesn't look like me.

25:59 Speaker 13: There's a whole museum in London, Madame Tussau's wax museum,

26:03 Speaker 13: full of people.

26:04 Speaker 17: Who are still a lot.

26:04 Speaker 11: Did you go there when you.

26:05 Speaker 13: Were I did not that visit to London, but a

26:09 Speaker 13: previous visit to London.

26:11 Speaker 15: Oh okay, go in there now. If you were to

26:13 Speaker 15: walk in there, like if you were to walk in

26:15 Speaker 15: there today and they had a wax figure of Shinead

26:17 Speaker 15: O'Connor and it looked like this, would you say something?

26:19 Speaker 15: Would you be like, hey, what are you people doing?

26:21 Speaker 17: I might mutter to myself, I don't think that looks

26:24 Speaker 17: like her.

26:24 Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, you would you, but you wouldn't say anything.

26:28 Speaker 13: Walk by probably and yeah, yeah, you know, just look

26:30 Speaker 13: at the next thing.

26:31 Speaker 15: See that's what they were counting on, people walk by,

26:34 Speaker 15: walking by. I'm not there.

26:35 Speaker 17: I don't know if i'd have said anything.

26:37 Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, I think the whole concept is kind of weird,

26:40 Speaker 15: to be honest with you, spooky if it's a dead person.

26:44 Speaker 16: I mean, I don't think you know, spooky.

26:45 Speaker 13: I think hart movies have been made about wax museums

26:48 Speaker 13: and like ancent Price exactly.

26:50 Speaker 15: See, that's the thing that's what freaks me out.

26:52 Speaker 13: Right, And so I think that the whole premise of

26:55 Speaker 13: that movie is that they weren't wax figures, they were

26:57 Speaker 13: people covered.

26:58 Speaker 17: In why right, See, that would be He's very creepy.

27:01 Speaker 16: I'm sure a Doctor Who episode like that.

27:04 Speaker 13: Probably there are Doctor Who figures in the Madame Tussau's

27:07 Speaker 13: wax Museum, which.

27:08 Speaker 17: Are very cool.

27:09 Speaker 15: Ooh.

27:09 Speaker 16: I wanted to have any.

27:10 Speaker 13: Fund When I first saw that, it was like I

27:14 Speaker 13: had sort of recently become aware of Doctor Who. I

27:18 Speaker 13: started dating a guy in nineteen seventy nine that was

27:21 Speaker 13: a big Doctor Who fan, and I went to London

27:22 Speaker 13: in nineteen eighty two, and I saw in all these

27:25 Speaker 13: wax figures of all the characters and things up to

27:28 Speaker 13: that point.

27:29 Speaker 16: They have a wax figure of a Darlk of a Donalek.

27:32 Speaker 17: Yes they do, they do.

27:33 Speaker 16: Oh yeah, I said that kind of sarcastically, but I

27:36 Speaker 16: didn't expect.

27:37 Speaker 17: You to say that they did the crazy things.

27:39 Speaker 16: Oh, they must have a weeping angel then.

27:41 Speaker 17: Probably I haven't been there since.

27:44 Speaker 16: They Now I'm on a doctor who kick.

27:45 Speaker 15: Oh well, so there's a little bit more to this.

27:50 Speaker 15: Patty Dunning the Wax Museum, that's a very Patty Pa

27:55 Speaker 15: d d Y, that's a very as name. The Wax

27:57 Speaker 15: Museum director, who said he was a longtime friend to

28:00 Speaker 15: Oceanead O'Connor oh apologize to the family. He said that

28:08 Speaker 15: the Wax Museums sculptor PJ. Harridy delivered the figure the

28:15 Speaker 15: night before it was unveiled. He said the artist had

28:19 Speaker 15: done fantastic work in previous years, but has not been

28:23 Speaker 15: been feeling well and had retired. I get it. So

28:27 Speaker 15: the artist wasn't feeling well.

28:29 Speaker 16: And they pulled him out of retirement apparently to this. Yes,

28:33 Speaker 16: so there might have been a little spite involved there.

28:36 Speaker 15: Right right, he was probably like, uh, I was retired.

28:39 Speaker 15: I was enjoying my retirement. But now I'm resentful, so

28:42 Speaker 15: I'm going to sabotage O'Connor wax figure. Yes, yeah, Patty,

28:47 Speaker 15: that is petty angry if I were, If I were

28:51 Speaker 15: a resentful wax figure sculptor, I would not you know,

28:56 Speaker 15: I just I would still try to do a good job,

28:59 Speaker 15: you know. I mean, I might be mad about it.

29:01 Speaker 16: But they are kind of creepy, the wax figures. Yeah,

29:04 Speaker 16: well yeah, yeah, they look like dead people standing.

29:08 Speaker 13: I think they they don't always look like the people

29:11 Speaker 13: that they're made to look like. No, no, I don't

29:15 Speaker 13: know that I was really all that impressed with very

29:17 Speaker 13: many of them.

29:18 Speaker 16: Did you find it creepy walking through all of these?

29:20 Speaker 13: It was creepy, and the lights are kind of low.

29:22 Speaker 13: Maybe they're hoping you're not going to notice perfections.

29:25 Speaker 17: I don't know.

29:26 Speaker 16: It seems like the below that's the trek. Did you

29:28 Speaker 16: see lighting?

29:29 Speaker 15: Did you see any of that? You looked at that

29:31 Speaker 15: where you thought, this one doesn't look quite right. I

29:34 Speaker 15: wonder if if the person who created this particular wax

29:37 Speaker 15: figure was had been pulled out of retirement and was

29:39 Speaker 15: feeling resentful.

29:40 Speaker 17: I did not think that.

29:41 Speaker 16: Yeah, and not feeling well.

29:43 Speaker 15: And not feeling well even occurred to me. Yeah, yeah, wow.

29:48 Speaker 16: What was your favorite part of being there?

29:50 Speaker 17: Being in London?

29:51 Speaker 16: Yeah, I'm just curious, like, was there a favorite location.

29:55 Speaker 13: Or Douven Garden is my favorite place probably in the world.

30:00 Speaker 13: It's well, I haven't traveled that much, but London is.

30:04 Speaker 17: Pretty far from home.

30:06 Speaker 13: Covent Garden is like a big sort of outdoor mall

30:10 Speaker 13: but a lot older, so really old buildings. It's kind

30:15 Speaker 13: of open, but it has a roof on it and

30:19 Speaker 13: they have like flea market stalls kinds of things and

30:24 Speaker 13: shops they have. They used to have a magic stand,

30:28 Speaker 13: like they had magicians there and they were selling the

30:30 Speaker 13: little cheap magic trips tricks that you buy and usually

30:35 Speaker 13: street performers and that's a lot of fun.

30:39 Speaker 15: Yeah, it was a little bit more of this. So

30:42 Speaker 15: the guy of this, Patty Dunning guy said, when I

30:45 Speaker 15: had a look at the statue, I walked in to

30:48 Speaker 15: launch it, and when I saw it, I didn't get

30:50 Speaker 15: that feeling that I normally get from pj's fantastic work.

30:53 Speaker 15: My heart sunk a little bit. We went ahead with

30:55 Speaker 15: the launch, and I didn't sleep last night. Unquote. Spy

31:00 Speaker 15: O'Connor on the radio program if the Dublin National Wax

31:05 Speaker 15: Museum was doing this to get publicity, Dunning said, quote no,

31:09 Speaker 15: absolutely not. The wax Museum runs itself without publicity. We

31:13 Speaker 15: have a launch and that's it. I had to take

31:15 Speaker 15: the decision to cancel the statue, and we'll go again,

31:19 Speaker 15: and we'll remodel, and we have to do better on

31:22 Speaker 15: this occasion unquote. So they're gonna try to make that right,

31:26 Speaker 15: that's yes, yes, well, very very good. What was your

31:32 Speaker 15: favorite part about going to the Madam Cusso's.

31:35 Speaker 13: It was the Doctor Who exhibit, Like you know, you're

31:38 Speaker 13: coming around the corner and you start to hear that

31:40 Speaker 13: music and I'm like, oh, it's going to be a

31:43 Speaker 13: Doctor Who thing. And then seeing you know a lot

31:46 Speaker 13: of the characters, the creatures, the monsters, daff Ross, who

31:51 Speaker 13: is the guy who invented the Daleks and Bah or

31:54 Speaker 13: rather invented that. I think it's an exoskeleton for like.

31:58 Speaker 16: A mutant of some Well that sounds frightening. It is.

32:02 Speaker 13: It's really scary because we're very afraid of the Daleks.

32:06 Speaker 16: Yes, I've never got never got into that doctor germinate.

32:10 Speaker 15: I've never seen single episode of anything doctor who related

32:15 Speaker 15: in my life?

32:17 Speaker 16: Was your favorite? Who was your favorite doctor who?

32:20 Speaker 13: Probably John Pertwee. He was not the first one I saw,

32:24 Speaker 13: but he was super super nice. Because I used to

32:26 Speaker 13: go to the conventions. I took a photo of him

32:28 Speaker 13: at one convention and then I took that photo with

32:31 Speaker 13: me to another convention for him to sign and Elizabeth Slayton,

32:37 Speaker 13: who played Sarah Jane Smith, was there at the con too,

32:41 Speaker 13: and he took the picture.

32:41 Speaker 16: Said Sarah, look at this.

32:44 Speaker 13: It's amazing, it's beautiful, and he was so excited about

32:48 Speaker 13: this photo I took.

32:49 Speaker 17: So that kind of you know.

32:51 Speaker 13: He he loved fans, He loved to participate. He was

32:53 Speaker 13: always positive with people. So John Pertwee is probably my favorite.

32:57 Speaker 13: And he's from like way back. He's like one of the.

33:00 Speaker 16: He's before the curly haired guy, right.

33:02 Speaker 17: Yes, he is the third doctor.

33:03 Speaker 16: So curly haired guy was kind of the most famous

33:06 Speaker 16: of I wish I could say what his name is.

33:08 Speaker 13: It's Tom Baker. And I met him too. I've got

33:12 Speaker 13: pictures of me with a bunch of them.

33:14 Speaker 16: Was he the first one with the long scarf?

33:16 Speaker 17: He was the one with the long scarf. Yeah, nobody.

33:18 Speaker 17: I don't think any of the others had long scarfs.

33:20 Speaker 16: Oh yeah, you're right, that wasn't true.

33:22 Speaker 13: But he was the first doctor that I saw. Most

33:24 Speaker 13: people the first one that they see, it's their favorite.

33:27 Speaker 13: And I do love his episodes. But because my experience

33:33 Speaker 13: with John Pertweet, I just, you know, I just had

33:36 Speaker 13: to be my favorite. So tom Baker is still around.

33:40 Speaker 13: John is long gone, the first.

33:42 Speaker 17: Three or gone.

33:43 Speaker 16: They should have him come in to an episode, and

33:45 Speaker 16: I guess it would be fun.

33:48 Speaker 17: That would be really fun.

33:51 Speaker 16: Tom Baker, tom Baker, one of the previous doctor who's

33:55 Speaker 16: although I was supposed to can do that right now?

33:58 Speaker 16: Maybe they could pull that off somehow well. As each

34:01 Speaker 16: doctor dies, they disintegrate and then it becomes thet gene,

34:08 Speaker 16: an entirely new human. It could be of any.

34:12 Speaker 17: That way, any actor can replace.

34:14 Speaker 13: It was a very convenient way for a new actor

34:16 Speaker 13: to come in and replace. They didn't try to replace

34:20 Speaker 13: the actor. They just brought in a new person and

34:24 Speaker 13: wrote in this brilliant idea of regeneration into the next appearance.

34:28 Speaker 13: He's always worried he's gonna have red hair.

34:31 Speaker 5: But.

34:33 Speaker 11: Oh we have a question.

34:34 Speaker 15: Grim Rock is asking in the chat did you get

34:36 Speaker 15: to see any Rolling Stones related landmarks when you were

34:39 Speaker 15: in London?

34:40 Speaker 13: I didn't, unless you count the London School of Economics.

34:44 Speaker 17: I don't know. Maybe I didn't. I didn't get taken

34:46 Speaker 17: a tour.

34:47 Speaker 16: Didn't you get to go down to where the Beatles

34:49 Speaker 16: were though?

34:50 Speaker 17: Ali rode that, yeah, No, I didn't go to Abbey

34:53 Speaker 17: to go there.

34:54 Speaker 7: No.

34:56 Speaker 16: For some reason, I thought you a.

34:57 Speaker 13: Lot of actors that I recognized from British television just

35:01 Speaker 13: walking down the street. People were just I mean, Pete

35:03 Speaker 13: Townsend was just walking down the street, because I think

35:07 Speaker 13: Brits are a little less likely to sort of run

35:09 Speaker 13: at them.

35:11 Speaker 15: Yes, that makes sense.

35:13 Speaker 16: The Americans are pretty British ourselves.

35:16 Speaker 13: Yes, and they comment on it. I met Michael Palin.

35:20 Speaker 13: He was Michael Palin from Monty Python. He was directing

35:24 Speaker 13: a play and I was walking through Covent Garden, my favorite,

35:28 Speaker 13: and uh, he was outside the theater. It was early

35:32 Speaker 13: in the morning, and so I asked him for an autograph,

35:35 Speaker 13: and then I asked if I could hug him, and

35:37 Speaker 13: he said, oh, you Americans, and then he hugged me.

35:39 Speaker 13: So and I had him sign a train ticket because

35:43 Speaker 13: he loves trains. He did a whole series about train travels.

35:46 Speaker 13: Oh so that was kind of fun. Oh, very good though,

35:49 Speaker 13: but no not not no rolling Stone kind of stuff.

35:52 Speaker 15: Yeah, uh, we should we should play another Uh, let's

35:55 Speaker 15: play another grim rock track from from the new album

35:59 Speaker 15: uh gr y R five.

36:02 Speaker 12: Uh.

36:02 Speaker 15: This is called you Belong to Me and then uh

36:04 Speaker 15: and then we'll come back and talk a little bit.

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39:43 Speaker 15: is here with us, and we just decided to spend

39:45 Speaker 15: another grimrock tune because he very kindly. If you are

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39:52 Speaker 15: grim Rock sent us GR five his new release and

39:57 Speaker 15: really love what he does. He is from Pennsylvania and

40:00 Speaker 15: we'll have to have him back on the show again

40:01 Speaker 15: soon too, but always nice and he included this wonderful

40:04 Speaker 15: note thank you to the WM and H family for

40:07 Speaker 15: all of the support Matt and Jen Rock's assigned to

40:10 Speaker 15: Grim so we appreciate that. And yeah, that was another

40:13 Speaker 15: track called you Belong You See, which we really like

40:17 Speaker 15: a lot. We've met some great people through Grim as well.

40:21 Speaker 15: We have.

40:22 Speaker 16: I had a curiosity question for you. I've just recently

40:25 Speaker 16: learned that this summer of music is the brat summer Brat.

40:30 Speaker 16: Summer Bratt is now apparently a good word. If you're

40:34 Speaker 16: called a brat, it means that you're like a a

40:38 Speaker 16: bad butt woman kind of a thing, and not a

40:41 Speaker 16: bad word. And that was new to me. The youngins

40:44 Speaker 16: are saying this now, Maddie Bratt, I.

40:47 Speaker 13: Think I would be able to keep up with it.

40:48 Speaker 13: I don't know fits and traders who are maybe a

40:50 Speaker 13: little young for it.

40:51 Speaker 16: I actually like it. I like, yeah, so we're taking

40:54 Speaker 16: that and being like, yeah, that's gonna be a good

40:56 Speaker 16: word now, Brat's right.

40:58 Speaker 15: Huh No, I'm not heard that this is a new

41:01 Speaker 15: term to me.

41:01 Speaker 16: Yes, yes, Bitchburg Records did a whole article about the

41:06 Speaker 16: summer it being the brat summer or something like that,

41:11 Speaker 16: and so I of course had to go down the

41:13 Speaker 16: rabbit hole to figure out what the heck of bratt

41:15 Speaker 16: summer was. But it's actually gaining even more in popularity

41:21 Speaker 16: for women to call each other brats apparently, And it's

41:25 Speaker 16: a good It's it's meaning you, I think you're your

41:28 Speaker 16: kick butt, You're you're a bad butt.

41:31 Speaker 17: I like it.

41:31 Speaker 11: I like it too.

41:33 Speaker 16: I like the idea of that. I can live with that.

41:36 Speaker 15: I like that.

41:36 Speaker 17: Yeah. Yeah, there are much worse things people could say.

41:40 Speaker 15: We should mention too, and I told them I would

41:42 Speaker 15: pump it up on the show. So we had recently,

41:46 Speaker 15: just a few weeks ago, actually we had a couple

41:48 Speaker 15: of fine folks from Sister Witch Company, Yeah and hooks It.

41:53 Speaker 15: We had Mary the owner and Sue the manager. They

41:55 Speaker 15: were on the show with us, and I have been

41:58 Speaker 15: invited to participate in an event August seventeenth, which is

42:03 Speaker 15: a Saturday, So I'll be getting there late, of course,

42:06 Speaker 15: or we if you're going, I don't know if you're

42:08 Speaker 15: going with me or not, of what your plan is,

42:09 Speaker 15: but but you're welcome to of course. But I'm gonna

42:12 Speaker 15: be doing some hypnosis at the event, so Sister Which

42:17 Speaker 15: Company and Hooks It. There's going to be several different

42:20 Speaker 15: people they're doing things. And it actually starts at noon,

42:24 Speaker 15: but again, you know, we don't get out of here

42:25 Speaker 15: until about one pm by the time the show's all

42:27 Speaker 15: uploaded and everything. So I will be starting at two

42:30 Speaker 15: pm that day at Sister Witch Company, but you can

42:33 Speaker 15: reserve a spot. I'll be doing group sessions, individual sessions.

42:37 Speaker 15: But it is a great place, Sister Witch Company and

42:40 Speaker 15: Hooks It and it's right on Ruth three, very very

42:42 Speaker 15: easy to find, so and in a great business and

42:46 Speaker 15: I well there's going to be more coming from them

42:49 Speaker 15: in the near future as well. So stay two. Yeah,

42:52 Speaker 15: really cool. Actually, yeah, no, I'm excited about it. I

42:55 Speaker 15: haven't done an event like that in a while. You

42:57 Speaker 15: used to do a lot of a lot of events

42:59 Speaker 15: way back back in the day when I was Norm

43:01 Speaker 15: Moody's co host on a television show. We used to

43:04 Speaker 15: do some events together.

43:06 Speaker 16: Do you remember him? I saw the look on your face, Miriam.

43:09 Speaker 16: Do you remember Norm Moody?

43:10 Speaker 13: No, I've heard people talk about him, but I don't

43:12 Speaker 13: remember Norm.

43:14 Speaker 18: Yeah.

43:14 Speaker 13: I think that was kind of before I was aware

43:16 Speaker 13: of any of the I mean, I grew up in Pennsylvania, So.

43:21 Speaker 15: Oh, you grew up in Pennsylvania. Do you know Grimrock?

43:23 Speaker 13: I don't know Grimrock, but I was curious what part

43:26 Speaker 13: of Pennsylvania Grimrock is from.

43:28 Speaker 11: Do you know the Amish Mafia?

43:31 Speaker 16: I don't, Okay, there in Pennsylvania.

43:35 Speaker 15: It was a reality show that I used to watch,

43:37 Speaker 15: which was very, very in terms of scripted reality shows,

43:42 Speaker 15: that was one of the more scripted.

43:46 Speaker 16: You know, I'm sorry, my brain's all over the place today.

43:51 Speaker 13: I remember watching another show where I think it was

43:54 Speaker 13: people who were sort of trying to leave that community.

43:57 Speaker 17: Yeah, and.

44:00 Speaker 13: I've been to like places where in Amish country and

44:04 Speaker 13: they have restaurants and things like that, But Amish Mafia,

44:08 Speaker 13: I'm not familiar with them.

44:09 Speaker 17: Maybe I need to check it out.

44:12 Speaker 15: Yeah, it was on like a e or the Learning

44:15 Speaker 15: Channel or something, and it lasted like three seasons, but

44:18 Speaker 15: it was it was so obviously fake. You could go

44:21 Speaker 15: online and look up the people and find I mean

44:23 Speaker 15: there were actors, you know, playing these characters. It was

44:26 Speaker 15: pretty ridiculous, just quickly something I found online from musiclly

44:33 Speaker 15: dot com. You know, we talk on the show a

44:34 Speaker 15: lot recently about AI and how it's impacting the music industry.

44:39 Speaker 15: There's a British startup company called Major Label Artists Club

44:44 Speaker 15: and it's setting its cap at independent artists, labels and

44:47 Speaker 15: managers with a service to help them manage their businesses online.

44:51 Speaker 15: It's also thinking about the industry debates around AI technologies

44:54 Speaker 15: and has announced a partnership relating to that. The partner

44:58 Speaker 15: is a French audio tech company, Irkham Irkham Amplify, but

45:04 Speaker 15: they will be using its technology to detect and block

45:08 Speaker 15: AI music from being distributed through its platform. And I

45:13 Speaker 15: think this is an interesting development because I mean, this

45:15 Speaker 15: is a small startup that's doing this, But I wonder

45:17 Speaker 15: if we're going to see this showing up in other

45:20 Speaker 15: uh with other music distributors where they actually have ways

45:24 Speaker 15: to detect. That's pretty interesting, be able to detect IA

45:29 Speaker 15: generated music and block it from being disseminated on their platforms.

45:35 Speaker 15: But I just wonder how accurate will that be, especially

45:39 Speaker 15: especially if it's you know, like electronic music, Like.

45:42 Speaker 17: How is it how?

45:43 Speaker 15: Yeah, how is it going to be able to detect?

45:46 Speaker 15: I'm curious how the software works and uh, I'm sure

45:51 Speaker 15: it's not perfect, but it says here. So the company

45:54 Speaker 15: in a blog post said, quote, using their technology, we

45:58 Speaker 15: will be able to scan up of five thousand music

46:01 Speaker 15: tracks and under a minute, detecting and blocking AI music

46:05 Speaker 15: from distribution with an accuracy rate of ninety eight point

46:10 Speaker 15: five per sound. We exist to ensure independent artists always

46:14 Speaker 15: get paid their fair share of music royalties from streams, sales,

46:18 Speaker 15: and live performances. We can't just sit back and watch

46:21 Speaker 15: as their music has been stolen to train AI music tools. Unquote.

46:27 Speaker 15: That's from co founder Mark Knight.

46:29 Speaker 16: And we've talked about that before, about these AI companies

46:35 Speaker 16: using modern music to train their artificial intelligence with. So

46:41 Speaker 16: then they have all of those that artists, all these

46:43 Speaker 16: different artists music in their banks basically, So what they're

46:47 Speaker 16: coming out with is that truly original or is it

46:50 Speaker 16: just a mosh of what they've taken in and it's

46:55 Speaker 16: just a computer spitting it right back out at you. Yeah,

46:59 Speaker 16: I mean everybody, No music doesn't mimic other music everybody.

47:03 Speaker 16: Every musician has is you know, you listen to different

47:06 Speaker 16: things and it comes out and but it comes out

47:08 Speaker 16: in your artistry. But it's yeah, and it's your creative

47:13 Speaker 16: mind and juices that are pulling that around that. But

47:16 Speaker 16: computerized music takes all of the magic out of it.

47:20 Speaker 16: To me, yeah, you know, I don't want something that

47:23 Speaker 16: some computers spit out. I like the idea of somebody's

47:27 Speaker 16: brainchild coming out in a tapestry of notes.

47:32 Speaker 17: Coming from their brain.

47:33 Speaker 15: Yeah, And in principle I agree with all of that,

47:36 Speaker 15: but as you know, I just have some concerns about

47:38 Speaker 15: how how the music industry and how legally you know,

47:41 Speaker 15: because you know there's going to be laws made about

47:43 Speaker 15: all this stuff too inevitably, you know how from a

47:46 Speaker 15: practical and pragmatic standpoint, how is that all going to work?

47:49 Speaker 15: And I don't know, and I think it's I think

47:52 Speaker 15: it's complicated. I mean, at the end of the day,

47:54 Speaker 15: I'll always advocate on behalf of artists and protecting artists,

47:57 Speaker 15: but but I'm not sure, like I'm as you can tell,

48:01 Speaker 15: just as I was reading it, I'm already skeptical about

48:04 Speaker 15: this technology that is going to somehow be able to

48:07 Speaker 15: detect any AI generated music with a ninety eight and

48:10 Speaker 15: a half percent accuracy rate. I'm skeptical and it says

48:15 Speaker 15: here too in the article. As ever, with this kind

48:17 Speaker 15: of thing, the key will be in the definition of

48:21 Speaker 15: AI music and how flexible the filters are. Entirely AI

48:25 Speaker 15: generated music is presumably what the companies want to block,

48:28 Speaker 15: rather than music being made by human artists who are

48:31 Speaker 15: using AI tools for some part of their creative process.

48:36 Speaker 13: See that's so, that's yeah, that's where it's going to

48:39 Speaker 13: get and it gets sticky the great Yeah, that's where

48:42 Speaker 13: how much is you?

48:43 Speaker 16: How much is machine?

48:44 Speaker 15: Right?

48:45 Speaker 13: We really should have been thinking about this a long

48:48 Speaker 13: time ago. And this goes takes me back to London

48:52 Speaker 13: School of Economics because my master's thesis was public Understanding

48:57 Speaker 13: of Artificial Intelligence. So in nineteen ninety three ninety four

49:01 Speaker 13: we already knew.

49:02 Speaker 17: It was coming.

49:03 Speaker 13: It was already happening, but just you know, small scale

49:08 Speaker 13: people were experimenting with it, I guess, but we already

49:12 Speaker 13: knew AI was coming.

49:13 Speaker 15: Yeah, but it's.

49:14 Speaker 13: Only in the last two years that everybody is kind

49:18 Speaker 13: of really thinking about it.

49:19 Speaker 17: The schools or are upset. A lot of people at

49:24 Speaker 17: schools are really worried about.

49:26 Speaker 15: Yeah, oh, no doubt. Yeah, Silicon Kong is I guess

49:31 Speaker 15: optimistic that this software will work, says in the chat room.

49:36 Speaker 15: They will detect loops from original music. I utilize many electronics.

49:41 Speaker 15: They will be able to determine the difference. And grim

49:44 Speaker 15: Rock said, oh that was me Lol. I was calling

49:48 Speaker 15: in to thank you for everything personally, but thank you

49:50 Speaker 15: for everything you do for indie artists like myself. Oh

49:52 Speaker 15: you're very welcome, grim Rock. By the way, the reason

49:54 Speaker 15: I didn't pick up is you were calling my cell phone.

49:57 Speaker 15: I did see you show up on my cell phone.

49:58 Speaker 15: But if you want to call this studio line really quick,

50:01 Speaker 15: you can. We do have a few minutes left. Six

50:03 Speaker 15: O three two five oh six oh seven six O

50:06 Speaker 15: three two five oh six oh seven. Uh that is

50:09 Speaker 15: the studio line here at w M and h uh

50:12 Speaker 15: but uh and uh. Grim is in the Pittsburgh area

50:17 Speaker 15: of Pennsylvania. By the way, I don't know if that's

50:19 Speaker 15: I don't think that's where the Amish Mafia was Pittsburgh.

50:22 Speaker 15: But anyway, but yeah, it's interesting. So what are they

50:26 Speaker 15: worried about in schools? Like kids using AI to to

50:30 Speaker 15: write papers? To write papers.

50:32 Speaker 13: And that's exactly the study that I did involved asking

50:36 Speaker 13: people questions about what they understood about AI and the

50:41 Speaker 13: people that I was living with. The woman she worked,

50:44 Speaker 13: she was the deputy head at a secondary school, and

50:46 Speaker 13: she gave my questionnaire to some kids, and almost all

50:50 Speaker 13: of those kids said they wanted the AI to do

50:53 Speaker 13: their homework. Yeah, and to clean the house, like to

50:57 Speaker 13: do their chores and to do their homework. So this

50:59 Speaker 13: was this is been a long time coming, but it's yeah,

51:02 Speaker 13: so here it is.

51:03 Speaker 15: Yeah, here it is. Yeah. Oh I thought grim Rock

51:07 Speaker 15: was on the phone, but nobody there. Yeah, it's uh yeah,

51:13 Speaker 15: it's a whole new world in some ways, right. I mean,

51:17 Speaker 15: I use chat GPT in some of my work and

51:19 Speaker 15: I find it quite quite helpful. You can certainly save

51:23 Speaker 15: a lot of time, certainly save a lot of time

51:26 Speaker 15: with it. There's also an article here. Oh I think

51:29 Speaker 15: this is grim calling back? Grim Is that you? Hello?

51:36 Speaker 18: Hey?

51:37 Speaker 15: How are you hey? Grim Rock? How are you doing? Welcome?

51:42 Speaker 18: I just wanted to I was going to call in

51:44 Speaker 18: just to personally thank you, uh you know, for for

51:47 Speaker 18: all the support and everything you and Gen do for

51:50 Speaker 18: everybody and uh putting on the show you do. And

51:54 Speaker 18: it's just it's a great format and a great platform

51:57 Speaker 18: for people to get recognized and noticed, and it's just

52:00 Speaker 18: it's been really cool and I really appreciate it a lot.

52:03 Speaker 15: Oh well, thank you, We appreciate you. We love your

52:05 Speaker 15: music and we are very happy to help to showcase

52:09 Speaker 15: it and thank you. Thank you so much, and thank

52:12 Speaker 15: you for sending us stuff. We always appreciate that too.

52:15 Speaker 15: It's wonderful to get that CD in the mail, and

52:17 Speaker 15: we really appreciate it.

52:20 Speaker 18: Hey, anytime, I'm glad that I can send things like

52:24 Speaker 18: that to everybody, you know.

52:25 Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, at fun absolutely absolutely, Hey, where should people

52:30 Speaker 15: because time is short unfortunately, but where should people go

52:34 Speaker 15: to keep up with everything that you're doing online?

52:37 Speaker 18: Let's go to Grim rock and roll dot com. All

52:40 Speaker 18: one more, Grim rock and roll dot com.

52:42 Speaker 15: Okay, well that's easy, that's easy, Very good, very good,

52:45 Speaker 15: all right, Grim. Well, hey, thank you so much for

52:47 Speaker 15: the call, my friend, and we should do a long

52:50 Speaker 15: form interview in the future, in the not too distant future,

52:53 Speaker 15: because you've always got a lot going on, so we'd

52:55 Speaker 15: love to do that with you again.

52:57 Speaker 18: Absolutely, and I really appreciate it.

52:59 Speaker 15: Thank you for having me absolutely any time. All right,

53:01 Speaker 15: take care man, all right, by bye bye.

53:04 Speaker 16: All right.

53:05 Speaker 15: That was grim Rock from Pennsylvania and you can go

53:07 Speaker 15: to grimrockandroll dot com to keep up with everything that

53:11 Speaker 15: he's doing.

53:12 Speaker 16: I drop the link in the chat room for you.

53:14 Speaker 16: If you happen to be in the Facebook chat room,

53:15 Speaker 16: you can check out grim Rock's Facebook page.

53:18 Speaker 15: Yes, yes, one of my favorites. Yeah, so what's uh,

53:22 Speaker 15: we only have a couple of minutes left, Miriam. I

53:24 Speaker 15: know it's a big question, but what's what's the answer.

53:26 Speaker 15: Do you think with the AI and schools, is there

53:29 Speaker 15: a solution?

53:33 Speaker 13: Probably get understanding it better, Yeah, is a really good idea.

53:38 Speaker 13: I mean they're starting to sort of embrace well, maybe

53:40 Speaker 13: we can use it this way, so, you know, like

53:42 Speaker 13: technology can be good and it can also be not

53:45 Speaker 13: so good, and so finding the good in it and

53:47 Speaker 13: finding ways to use that way and then also trying

53:52 Speaker 13: to figure out ways to avoid it being used inappropriately.

53:55 Speaker 17: So just learning about it is probably the main thing.

53:58 Speaker 15: Yeah.

54:00 Speaker 16: Bottom line, it's gonna be more and more prevalent in

54:02 Speaker 16: our society.

54:03 Speaker 15: I don't see.

54:03 Speaker 16: It's certainly not going to slow down somewhere.

54:06 Speaker 13: I think that people are going to be upset about

54:08 Speaker 13: it for a while as they are, you know, and

54:10 Speaker 13: then it's kinna. You know, people will sort of get

54:14 Speaker 13: used to it and settle down, and maybe they'll be complacent, complacent,

54:18 Speaker 13: and then it'll and they'll you know, we'll lose ground

54:22 Speaker 13: and then it'll get better again.

54:24 Speaker 11: I don't know.

54:25 Speaker 15: By the way, as it pertains to the music industry,

54:27 Speaker 15: there is an article I'll just refer to and maybe

54:30 Speaker 15: we'll look at it more closely in the future about

54:31 Speaker 15: Hollywood Reporter has something that just went up. Universal Music

54:36 Speaker 15: Group CEO on protecting artists from AI quote, we recognize

54:40 Speaker 15: potential threats. Early Lucy and Grange told investors the major

54:45 Speaker 15: music label was going to the courts to protect the

54:48 Speaker 15: rights of its artists and songwriters led by Taylor Swift,

54:52 Speaker 15: Drake and Lady Gaga, from massive copyright infringement. You know,

54:56 Speaker 15: it's interesting too, how history repeats itself. It seems like

54:59 Speaker 15: some of the conversation we're having now around AI that

55:01 Speaker 15: remind me a little bit of when, you know, back

55:04 Speaker 15: when Napster Remember Napster, Yeah, and that first became a

55:07 Speaker 15: thing and we had to have all the conversations and

55:09 Speaker 15: the music industry had to go through all this transformation

55:12 Speaker 15: regarding pirrating, pirating music sharing. You know, file sharing was

55:17 Speaker 15: a term we U see here all the time, and

55:20 Speaker 15: you know, now here we are again going through an

55:22 Speaker 15: you know, for a different reason, but we're going through

55:24 Speaker 15: another wave where this could really transform a lot of

55:28 Speaker 15: how the music industry operates dealing with AI and the

55:31 Speaker 15: various legal issues that it presents.

55:33 Speaker 16: This is harder, This is a lot harder. It's not

55:35 Speaker 16: simply like taking something and duplicating it, but this is where,

55:39 Speaker 16: you know, you're taking the brain child creations of multiple

55:43 Speaker 16: people and feeding it into a machine that has the

55:45 Speaker 16: ability to then translate that into something and call it new.

55:49 Speaker 16: And that wasn't Wasn't there something we talked about a

55:52 Speaker 16: while back involving Taylor Swift trying to fight to keep

55:56 Speaker 16: her music from being used to teach AI.

55:59 Speaker 15: Well, there was this story about I think it was

56:02 Speaker 15: I think it was Universal Music Group. I think it

56:05 Speaker 15: was UMG who was threatening AI companies with lawsuits if

56:11 Speaker 15: if they use UMG artists to train their large learning models.

56:18 Speaker 15: I don't think it was Taylor Swift specifically, although she

56:21 Speaker 15: might be on UMG. I'm not sure but you know,

56:24 Speaker 15: and then, of course, playing devil's advocate, my counter argument was, well,

56:27 Speaker 15: how is and again this is just me playing Devil's advocate,

56:30 Speaker 15: because I'll always advocate for artists. But I did raise

56:33 Speaker 15: the question, how is that different from a human? You know,

56:37 Speaker 15: if I sit down and I write a song as

56:40 Speaker 15: a human, it's it's but it's anything that I create,

56:46 Speaker 15: anything that I write, it has been directly influenced and

56:51 Speaker 15: informed in some way by all of the music that

56:53 Speaker 15: I've heard over the course of my life up to

56:55 Speaker 15: that point. So how is that any different?

56:58 Speaker 16: Because you're a human being who is taking the life

57:02 Speaker 16: of yourself. It's not just the music you've heard. It's

57:05 Speaker 16: your life experience. It's your favorite color, it's where your

57:08 Speaker 16: house is located, where you've gone, it's all of that

57:10 Speaker 16: that plays into your creations. And as a human being,

57:13 Speaker 16: your human creation is what we're all wanting, right, what

57:16 Speaker 16: we're all paying for. I mean, it might be more

57:18 Speaker 16: cost efficient to create music with AI, but that's not

57:21 Speaker 16: what I'm I personally like the creativity that comes out

57:24 Speaker 16: of a human mind. With AI, you're talking about something

57:28 Speaker 16: that has the ability to remember every little thing and

57:32 Speaker 16: just spit it back out. All it's taking all of

57:34 Speaker 16: those little bit of things and spitting it back out

57:37 Speaker 16: at you. Right, it's not creative in the same way

57:41 Speaker 16: that we use that terminology to me involving a human

57:44 Speaker 16: being who it's not just like I said, it's not

57:47 Speaker 16: just the music they've heard, because it's fair for you

57:50 Speaker 16: to say that, but it's everything else that goes along

57:52 Speaker 16: with it, right, Life experience changes everything.

57:56 Speaker 15: Yes, yes, well, we are out of time. Thank you, Jenny.

58:00 Speaker 15: Do you want to plug your website?

58:01 Speaker 16: Absolutely? You can follow my craziness at Jencoffee dot com

58:06 Speaker 16: j E N N C O F f U I

58:08 Speaker 16: dot com and you'll find links there to my new substack.

58:11 Speaker 15: Yes, yes, and uh, thank you again Miriam for coming

58:14 Speaker 15: in today. Thank you for having me absolutely.

58:17 Speaker 16: And we love you.

58:18 Speaker 15: Thank you everyone who joined us. Of course uh from

58:21 Speaker 15: Paper Jam magazine, Sheila and Tony, and of course uh

58:24 Speaker 15: the ladies from the Grandite State Blues Society.

58:28 Speaker 16: Oh, and thank you Miriam for all you do to

58:30 Speaker 16: help our young folks grow up.

58:32 Speaker 11: Well.

58:33 Speaker 15: Yes, thank you Maria, thank you. Yes, all right, we

58:37 Speaker 15: gotta go. If you miss any part of today's show,

58:39 Speaker 15: it will be up in just a little bit wmnhradio

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58:44 Speaker 15: Bye everybody, my mom.

58:49 Speaker 14: Bye, ye go by.

59:00 Speaker 12: Side go where no sameyn, no loomy road up live.

59:13 Speaker 7: Yes, when I was in school, did make good grades.

59:26 Speaker 7: I was, yes, still being dumb fool when I was

59:30 Speaker 7: still young.