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7:57 Speaker 15: I still love that song. It's got that sixty garage rock vibe that is don't You by Grimrock, And there's a very specific reason we played that. As we move into our third hour today of Matt connorton Unleashed, we are live, of course, from these studios of w m n H ninety five point three FM in Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire, on Canal Street. Today is Saturday July twenty seven, twenty twenty four. Jenny is here at the.

8:22 Speaker 16: News desk, present and account at farm or I.

8:24 Speaker 15: Should say news table, old habits, old habits. Yes, it's more of a table. And our friend Miriam banishes here as well. Hello Miriam. Hi, and the reason we played that so Grimrock, who by the way, is in the Facebook live chat and sent us something but don't You is the first song from Grimrock that we ever played on the show, and I do love it. We've played some of his other music as well, and I'm sure we will today as well. But he sent us a making sure the camera's on me for those watching you on the Facebook.

8:54 Speaker 15: We have a package. Grimrock sends us a lot of packages of things, which we love and appreciate very much. But we're opening this live on the air.

9:03 Speaker 16: He hangs in the office.

9:05 Speaker 15: Yes, yes, actually he does. And when we get the podcast back up and run, I.

9:10 Speaker 16: Love watching you struggle with packaging.

9:12 Speaker 15: Now this is uh yeah, I do struggle because this is very very well taped, which is good because you don't want it coming open.

9:19 Speaker 16: Uh during you need nails?

9:22 Speaker 15: I might I wonder if my keys will help me open this.

9:25 Speaker 16: That's a that is a very good go to.

9:27 Speaker 15: I don't pinch.

9:28 Speaker 16: It does work.

9:29 Speaker 15: I don't handle knives, as you know, that's my job. Yeah, because I'm like Flutts and if I handle knives, I'll end up with fewer fingers.

9:38 Speaker 7: Yeah.

9:38 Speaker 16: I don't feel like spending a day in the air.

9:41 Speaker 17: Sounds like me.

9:42 Speaker 16: Yeah, I feel like we need a drum roll. Yeah, don't miss the top cover. Don't miss the top cover inside the box lid. Flip it around, flip it around the other one, and there's writing there.

10:00 Speaker 15: It is. Thank you to the w M n H family for all of the support. Matt and Jen Rock's signed Grim. Thank you very much, Thank you very much. And this is oh, this is Brandy news autographed and everything.

10:16 Speaker 16: Yes, there's only a few copies that are getting signed, so we are privileged to be given a signed copy of the New Grim CD New.

10:24 Speaker 15: Grim CD g R five. We'll have to take a picture with this afterwards.

10:31 Speaker 16: Thank you so much for sending this to us.

10:33 Speaker 15: Yes, absolutely so enjoy you. We really appreciate it. And by the way, the track don't You that I just played is on the CD. It's track number five and that's Grim's uh so. The cover model who was in the chat room is tattoo Baby. Yes, spelled B A B I I, which threw me. I thought it was I was reading it earlier. I thought it was B A B I L. My ahs were not fully cooperated, I know, I was so close. No, it's B A B I I Baby on the cover of the new grim Rock CD and someone else is in the So this is the message.

11:06 Speaker 15: Just a quick note. Tattoo Baby is the cover model on the new CD. Matt Kirshner is the guy who mixed and mastered the new CD. Ian Hemy is a friend from Pittsburgh in the band Silicon Kong who will be playing and we will be playing several shows together. So oh that's a cool name, Silicon Kong.

11:27 Speaker 11: I like that.

11:28 Speaker 15: We got to get them on the show, so very good, very good. Yeah, thank you so much, thank you to all of you. Yes, and we'll we'll play some more, you know, we've we've featured several grim Rock tracks on the show, and we'll probably play something later in the show too. But thank you so much, very very kind. We love that support, support our friend Grimrock from Pennsylvania. And who was it that we met through him? Was it Lewis Tive.

11:59 Speaker 16: He's brought me a few artists several.

12:01 Speaker 15: Yeah, Lewis Ivey is the one I was thinking of, though from from across the Pond, we're also very fond of. So very cool, very cool. Miriam. Is this your first time being in the new studio?

12:13 Speaker 17: It is?

12:13 Speaker 15: What do you think?

12:15 Speaker 17: I like it.

12:16 Speaker 13: I kind of missed the window, but then again I don't miss the sun glaring, so.

12:22 Speaker 15: Yeah, I thought it would be weird at first.

12:24 Speaker 17: Yeah, it's actually kind of nice.

12:25 Speaker 13: I imagine it's probably easier for Gus not to have like the Actually it was the news desk that had the sun going right into people's faces.

12:34 Speaker 15: Right right, yes, yes, now this is this is wonderful. It's nice, it's it's clean, everything's new. It's very very beautiful. And all the guests that we have on the show they're quite impressed.

12:45 Speaker 17: I like this.

12:46 Speaker 13: I like the chairs because the floor there you go so far I could not reach the floor.

12:52 Speaker 15: There you go, there you go comfortable. Well we can since we don't have our original guest who was supposed to join us as not able to make it. You some sort of family emergency.

13:01 Speaker 16: I yeah, uh so help everything turns out?

13:04 Speaker 15: Okay, Well, we'll go ahead and open up the studio line if anyone wants to call in during the time that we do have in this hour six oh three two five six oh seven, six oh three two five oh six oh seven. And of course hello to uh everybody in the Facebook live chat who has joined us this morning, and we don't want to remind you too, we just had in the last hour. Oh here they are got two tickets available, while these are for Jenny and I, but they are giving away the Grandit State Blue Society for their event Blues on the Range that is in Mason, New Hampshire, coming up one week from today, Saturday, August third.

13:43 Speaker 15: And if you go, unless someone's already you know, someone may have already done it for all we know, but just in case, if you go to the Granite State Blue Society Facebook page and contact them, if you are the first one to mention our conversation with Charlene and Debbie from the Grandit A Blue Society, you can get a pair of tickets for free to Blues on the Range, but you have to mention that you learned about this from our interview with them on this show on this station. You have to fulfill those requirements so there you go.

14:21 Speaker 15: And in the first hour we talked with Sheila and Tony from Paper Jam magazine. So that was also very very cool.

14:29 Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely.

14:32 Speaker 16: Very enjoyable. Speaking that you mentioned about the cross the Pond. That's one of your special favorite places, isn't it, Miriam being across the pond.

14:41 Speaker 13: I ended up in England for a year. I have a master's degree from the London School of Economics. Most people don't know that about me.

14:50 Speaker 15: Yeah, I had no idea.

14:52 Speaker 16: You really didn't know.

14:53 Speaker 15: No, I didn't know that.

14:54 Speaker 13: Right's stories, which you know is nothing related to one of I do. Although no education ever goes wasted. People often will say to me, why aren't you doing more with your degree. I am doing things with my degree. I mean a degree teaches you how to think, I don't know, takes you to new places, crazy experiences.

15:20 Speaker 15: Yeah, oh well, very good.

15:23 Speaker 13: So yeah, I met Pete Townsend. That was kind of my big rock and roll story. I met Pete Townsend in London. Oh did you He was rehearsing something at a theater that was on campus, and that's the theater that I ended up going in when I graduated.

15:43 Speaker 17: So he was in there.

15:44 Speaker 13: He came out the door and he had bodyguards, and I didn't know it was him right away. Oh, just turn around and said, mister Townsend, can.

15:52 Speaker 17: Have your autograph.

15:54 Speaker 13: Yeah, And I walked by because I thought he didn't hear me, and then I turned to look back again and he was gesturing, oh, across the street for me to come across the street. Then a car came and he got scared that I was going to get hit by the car. And then I went and he signed an autograph with his own purple pen. So, oh, that's probably the craziest London story I have.

16:17 Speaker 15: Was he nice? He has a reputation for being a bit prickly, He was really nice.

16:21 Speaker 17: Yeah, oh that's very nice.

16:22 Speaker 13: I was surprised that he gestured me back over. I didn't really know that much except that I knew he was a big deal.

16:29 Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, I like the music.

16:32 Speaker 15: Did you run into mc jagger at all?

16:34 Speaker 17: I did not run into mcdagger.

16:36 Speaker 15: I only asked because I know that he attended the If I'm not mistaken, didn't he attend the London School.

16:40 Speaker 13: He did attend the London School of Economics quite a few years before I did, and he quit in order to become a rock and roll star.

16:47 Speaker 15: So yes, yes, you know, oh he never graduated. No, oh, I didn't know that.

16:52 Speaker 17: And so he makes good money though.

16:55 Speaker 13: You know, he made the right choice as far as London School of Economics is concerned, right, he took the best economy for him.

17:04 Speaker 15: Yes, yes, Oh. Matt Kirschner in the chat says, got to run. Guys, we'll be tuning in again. Love what you're doing here, Thank you, thank you, and we'd love to get you on the show in the very near future. And yeah, absolutely absolutely, m Yeah, they say that a lot of Mick. You know, Mick is known for his business acumen and uh that's I remember years ago reading that he had attended the London School of Economics and thought all that it kind of explains a lot, right absolutely.

17:36 Speaker 15: Speaking of across the pond, Uh, I just saw this story pop up about Shnead O'Connor and her wax figure. Apparently, Uh, it's been pulled because it looks terrible to see this. Did you see this? Yeah? Uh, this is from the Guardian. Shnad O'Connor waxwork pulled from Dublin Museum after backlash the Irish singer's brother speaks of shop hideous figure which looked nothing like her. And when I look at the image in the article again this is from the Guardian, it looks like reminds me of I forget the name of the character now from the first Star Trek movie, the woman with the shaved head, but yeah, it says Dublin's Wax Museum is withdrawing a figure of Sinead O'Connor amid criticism from her family and members of the public that it looked nothing like her.

18:27 Speaker 15: Then he reacted with shock when the waxwork figure was unveiled on Thursday. The museum's team met on Friday morning and decided to remove the waxwork of the Irish singer, admitting that it can do better and pledging to create a more accurate representation. Her brother, John O'Connor, said he was shocked when he first saw it online and said it did not look like her at all. Speaking on RTA radio's Liveline program on Friday after it was announced the figure would be withdrawn, he said he had not been made aware that a wax work of his sister was to be unveiled this week.

19:05 Speaker 15: Didn't even tell a family isn't that weird.

19:07 Speaker 16: It's very weird. I just sent you the picture, Miriam, so you could take a look at it too.

19:11 Speaker 15: Yeah, I don't. I agree. I agree.

19:13 Speaker 16: I don't think it looks like her. I think it's I think it was generic looking. It kind of looks like a.

19:19 Speaker 17: Star Trek sorry.

19:22 Speaker 15: The name, yeah, yeah, the character from Star Trek.

19:25 Speaker 16: Oh, I can't remember work No, from.

19:32 Speaker 15: The first Star Trek movie, the very the very first movie in seventy nine. You know the one where they had the uniforms that looked like pajamas. There's a character with a honestly a female with a bald head.

19:45 Speaker 13: Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, I can't think of her name.

19:51 Speaker 15: Yeah, the brother said quote. When I saw it online yesterday, I was shocked. I thought it looked something between a mannequin and something out of the Thunderbirds. I thought she made would have been very fond of looking well, and she certainly did. And if it was supposed to be a representation of her in her early twenties when she did, nothing compares to you, it just looked nothing like her. I thought it was hideous. A friend of mine said to me last night that he'd be that he'd seen better in Shaw's department store in the window.

20:21 Speaker 15: There's also enough visual stuff out there in terms of videos and photos that show what she did look like. Unquote. O'Connor suggested that a better way to honor his sister would be to put a statue of her in Dublin. He said it was particularly upsetting to speak about the issue on Friday, the first anniversary of her death at the age of fifty six. Okay, so it was a year ago that Dhad O'Connor passed away.

20:44 Speaker 16: Yes, natural causes. Yeah, fortunately, she was just found down.

20:50 Speaker 11: Yeah.

20:51 Speaker 15: Well, yeah, because in her home there was speculation at the time that she may have committed suicide. It was not.

20:55 Speaker 16: It was a natural causes. Does her her son, I think just within she did commit Yeah, yeah, within a I think it had been like about a year or so.

21:04 Speaker 15: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

21:05 Speaker 3: Yeah.

21:06 Speaker 16: He was very young too.

21:08 Speaker 15: Yeah.

21:09 Speaker 16: She had a lot of strife in her life, a lot of pain and suffering in her life that channeled into her music. That actually promoted her popularity because people could relate to her pain. Yeah, in ways that nobody else had brought it out. She was very unique, very unique in her style. I think she had four kids. I want to say, I don't know she she had a few, yeah, but I'm not exactly positive on how many. But it's weird that they would put up something like this and unveil it but not have the like when you want the family present to unveil the statue, you would think.

21:45 Speaker 15: Right, yeah, I mean, unless they were thinking, uh, oh, this doesn't look that great. Let's just not say anything and maybe they won't notice, you know.

21:53 Speaker 16: But really, did you see how many people turned out for her funeral? No one's gonna notice. Give me a break.

21:59 Speaker 15: Well, you know, if you just you keep it on the d L you know, with the wax figure, just just let it get out there organically, you know.

22:05 Speaker 11: Maybe uh you know.

22:07 Speaker 15: But that way, if the family doesn't know right away, you know, but it's been there for a while, it's harder.

22:13 Speaker 7: You know.

22:13 Speaker 15: Then It's like say a year went by and the family had no idea, and then one day the brother notices. If it's already been there for a year, it'd be kind of awkward for the brother to be like, hey, can you get rid of this? It's like a dude, it's already been there. A year.

22:25 Speaker 16: The facial structure isn't even close. I'm looking at this manigan, looking at the pictures of her, and going, I can understand why her brother was upset.

22:32 Speaker 15: Uh huh, Well, maybe there's something about her that's just difficult to recreate as a wax figure. I think would come on. Maybe maybe there's something I mean, maybe there's something about Irish people. It's just hard to stop it. I can say that I'm Irish, so it's not it's not racist.

22:50 Speaker 16: Talking about his Irish Irish melon.

22:52 Speaker 15: Yes, I do. I have an enormous head because Irish people have large heads. For mother, and yeah, no kidding not Yeah, she was torn up about it. But but I realized years ago what oh she was like, well my son was a freakishly large head. That's that's upsetting. But years ago, years and years ago. See, I never realized it for a lot of my life. And then one night I'm watching Conan O'Brien and he made a joke about his own very large head and said Irish people have large heads, and I'd never thought about this is one hundred percent true.

23:21 Speaker 15: By the way, this isn't just to be funny. This is true and I'd never thought about it before until he said that. I was like, wait, do I have a large head? And I went to look in the bathroom mirror and I was like, yeah, I do have a large head. And I'd never thought about it before, but I do. And then I realized that it is true. Like Chris Matthews. I used to watch a lot of hardball, Chris Matthews, he has a large head. He's got a big Irish hell, big Irish melon. And who else Tip O'Neil had a very large head.

23:46 Speaker 15: This is something Irish people have, I mean, And then I thought, wow, I do I have a big Irish hed. I look like a South Park character. I got this enormous head. But that's okay. I need a large head to hold my enormous sprain. Oh my god. So it's why Irish people are going to shove.

24:01 Speaker 16: Him through the door to fit him through at the end of the day.

24:04 Speaker 15: Why we're so smart we have enormous heads to hold our enormous brains. See, it all makes sense. But I have to say, in this pigure, this picture of the wax figure, I can't see how large the head is in proportion with the rest of the body. So I don't know if they made her with a large head or she even had a large head. I never noticed if Sinad O'Connor had a large head.

24:27 Speaker 16: But she stuck on this, aren't you.

24:28 Speaker 15: Well she's Irish. Yes, she's Irish, so she must have had a large head. We all do.

24:36 Speaker 16: Actually, I thought she was kind of demure, smaller in size.

24:40 Speaker 15: Yeah maybe maybe.

24:42 Speaker 16: Not all Irish people have big heads.

24:44 Speaker 15: Like you men. Maybe the people when they made the wax figure they created her with a larger head than she actually had because they figured, well, she's Irish, obviously we need to put this enormous head on top.

24:53 Speaker 17: Of the well.

24:54 Speaker 16: They did make it more rounded and less narrow than it truly is.

24:57 Speaker 15: So do you think so? Is that your assessment?

24:58 Speaker 16: That is my assessment.

24:59 Speaker 15: Yes, it's too it's too round.

25:01 Speaker 13: It's too round, Okay, I agree, Yeah.

25:05 Speaker 15: But well my head is round and I'm Irish.

25:09 Speaker 16: But hers has a narrowing chin. Mine not fully rounded.

25:13 Speaker 15: Actually mine's not fully rounded either, because I have a point.

25:16 Speaker 16: Do not have a point.

25:17 Speaker 15: I do have a point to your head, it's not point. I'm from France. I do have a conehead.

25:24 Speaker 16: This is what I've had to put up with all morning Miriam.

25:30 Speaker 15: So the brother he told on this radio show. He said, quote, I lost my sister, and to me that's important since she's not here to defend herself or to speak for herself. I just took it upon myself to contact you about it. Unquote yeah, because sometimes like because it's not like they only do wax figures of dead people, right, Sometimes they do wax figures of people who are alive. Like somebody somewhere made a wax figure of the rock and I remember the rock was like making fun of it, like, wow, that doesn't look like me.

25:59 Speaker 13: There's a whole museum in London, Madame Tussau's wax museum, full of people.

26:04 Speaker 17: Who are still a lot.

26:04 Speaker 11: Did you go there when you.

26:05 Speaker 13: Were I did not that visit to London, but a previous visit to London.

26:11 Speaker 15: Oh okay, go in there now. If you were to walk in there, like if you were to walk in there today and they had a wax figure of Shinead O'Connor and it looked like this, would you say something? Would you be like, hey, what are you people doing?

26:21 Speaker 17: I might mutter to myself, I don't think that looks like her.

26:24 Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, you would you, but you wouldn't say anything.

26:28 Speaker 13: Walk by probably and yeah, yeah, you know, just look at the next thing.

26:31 Speaker 15: See that's what they were counting on, people walk by, walking by. I'm not there.

26:35 Speaker 17: I don't know if i'd have said anything.

26:37 Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, I think the whole concept is kind of weird, to be honest with you, spooky if it's a dead person.

26:44 Speaker 16: I mean, I don't think you know, spooky.

26:45 Speaker 13: I think hart movies have been made about wax museums and like ancent Price exactly.

26:50 Speaker 15: See, that's the thing that's what freaks me out.

26:52 Speaker 13: Right, And so I think that the whole premise of that movie is that they weren't wax figures, they were people covered.

26:58 Speaker 17: In why right, See, that would be He's very creepy.

27:01 Speaker 16: I'm sure a Doctor Who episode like that.

27:04 Speaker 13: Probably there are Doctor Who figures in the Madame Tussau's wax Museum, which.

27:08 Speaker 17: Are very cool.

27:09 Speaker 15: Ooh.

27:09 Speaker 16: I wanted to have any.

27:10 Speaker 13: Fund When I first saw that, it was like I had sort of recently become aware of Doctor Who. I started dating a guy in nineteen seventy nine that was a big Doctor Who fan, and I went to London in nineteen eighty two, and I saw in all these wax figures of all the characters and things up to that point.

27:29 Speaker 16: They have a wax figure of a Darlk of a Donalek.

27:32 Speaker 17: Yes they do, they do.

27:33 Speaker 16: Oh yeah, I said that kind of sarcastically, but I didn't expect.

27:37 Speaker 17: You to say that they did the crazy things.

27:39 Speaker 16: Oh, they must have a weeping angel then.

27:41 Speaker 17: Probably I haven't been there since.

27:44 Speaker 16: They Now I'm on a doctor who kick.

27:45 Speaker 15: Oh well, so there's a little bit more to this. Patty Dunning the Wax Museum, that's a very Patty Pa d d Y, that's a very as name. The Wax Museum director, who said he was a longtime friend to Oceanead O'Connor oh apologize to the family. He said that the Wax Museums sculptor PJ. Harridy delivered the figure the night before it was unveiled. He said the artist had done fantastic work in previous years, but has not been been feeling well and had retired. I get it. So the artist wasn't feeling well.

28:29 Speaker 16: And they pulled him out of retirement apparently to this. Yes, so there might have been a little spite involved there.

28:36 Speaker 15: Right right, he was probably like, uh, I was retired. I was enjoying my retirement. But now I'm resentful, so I'm going to sabotage O'Connor wax figure. Yes, yeah, Patty, that is petty angry if I were, If I were a resentful wax figure sculptor, I would not you know, I just I would still try to do a good job, you know. I mean, I might be mad about it.

29:01 Speaker 16: But they are kind of creepy, the wax figures. Yeah, well yeah, yeah, they look like dead people standing.

29:08 Speaker 13: I think they they don't always look like the people that they're made to look like. No, no, I don't know that I was really all that impressed with very many of them.

29:18 Speaker 16: Did you find it creepy walking through all of these?

29:20 Speaker 13: It was creepy, and the lights are kind of low. Maybe they're hoping you're not going to notice perfections.

29:25 Speaker 17: I don't know.

29:26 Speaker 16: It seems like the below that's the trek. Did you see lighting?

29:29 Speaker 15: Did you see any of that? You looked at that where you thought, this one doesn't look quite right. I wonder if if the person who created this particular wax figure was had been pulled out of retirement and was feeling resentful.

29:40 Speaker 17: I did not think that.

29:41 Speaker 16: Yeah, and not feeling well.

29:43 Speaker 15: And not feeling well even occurred to me. Yeah, yeah, wow.

29:48 Speaker 16: What was your favorite part of being there?

29:50 Speaker 17: Being in London?

29:51 Speaker 16: Yeah, I'm just curious, like, was there a favorite location.

29:55 Speaker 13: Or Douven Garden is my favorite place probably in the world. It's well, I haven't traveled that much, but London is.

30:04 Speaker 17: Pretty far from home.

30:06 Speaker 13: Covent Garden is like a big sort of outdoor mall but a lot older, so really old buildings. It's kind of open, but it has a roof on it and they have like flea market stalls kinds of things and shops they have. They used to have a magic stand, like they had magicians there and they were selling the little cheap magic trips tricks that you buy and usually street performers and that's a lot of fun.

30:39 Speaker 15: Yeah, it was a little bit more of this. So the guy of this, Patty Dunning guy said, when I had a look at the statue, I walked in to launch it, and when I saw it, I didn't get that feeling that I normally get from pj's fantastic work. My heart sunk a little bit. We went ahead with the launch, and I didn't sleep last night. Unquote. Spy O'Connor on the radio program if the Dublin National Wax Museum was doing this to get publicity, Dunning said, quote no, absolutely not. The wax Museum runs itself without publicity.

31:12 Speaker 15: We have a launch and that's it. I had to take the decision to cancel the statue, and we'll go again, and we'll remodel, and we have to do better on this occasion unquote. So they're gonna try to make that right, that's yes, yes, well, very very good. What was your favorite part about going to the Madam Cusso's.

31:35 Speaker 13: It was the Doctor Who exhibit, Like you know, you're coming around the corner and you start to hear that music and I'm like, oh, it's going to be a Doctor Who thing. And then seeing you know a lot of the characters, the creatures, the monsters, daff Ross, who is the guy who invented the Daleks and Bah or rather invented that. I think it's an exoskeleton for like.

31:58 Speaker 16: A mutant of some Well that sounds frightening. It is.

32:02 Speaker 13: It's really scary because we're very afraid of the Daleks.

32:06 Speaker 16: Yes, I've never got never got into that doctor germinate.

32:10 Speaker 15: I've never seen single episode of anything doctor who related in my life?

32:17 Speaker 16: Was your favorite? Who was your favorite doctor who?

32:20 Speaker 13: Probably John Pertwee. He was not the first one I saw, but he was super super nice. Because I used to go to the conventions. I took a photo of him at one convention and then I took that photo with me to another convention for him to sign and Elizabeth Slayton, who played Sarah Jane Smith, was there at the con too, and he took the picture.

32:41 Speaker 16: Said Sarah, look at this.

32:44 Speaker 13: It's amazing, it's beautiful, and he was so excited about this photo I took.

32:49 Speaker 17: So that kind of you know.

32:51 Speaker 13: He he loved fans, He loved to participate. He was always positive with people. So John Pertwee is probably my favorite. And he's from like way back. He's like one of the.

33:00 Speaker 16: He's before the curly haired guy, right.

33:02 Speaker 17: Yes, he is the third doctor.

33:03 Speaker 16: So curly haired guy was kind of the most famous of I wish I could say what his name is.

33:08 Speaker 13: It's Tom Baker. And I met him too. I've got pictures of me with a bunch of them.

33:14 Speaker 16: Was he the first one with the long scarf?

33:16 Speaker 17: He was the one with the long scarf. Yeah, nobody. I don't think any of the others had long scarfs.

33:20 Speaker 16: Oh yeah, you're right, that wasn't true.

33:22 Speaker 13: But he was the first doctor that I saw. Most people the first one that they see, it's their favorite. And I do love his episodes. But because my experience with John Pertweet, I just, you know, I just had to be my favorite. So tom Baker is still around. John is long gone, the first.

33:42 Speaker 17: Three or gone.

33:43 Speaker 16: They should have him come in to an episode, and I guess it would be fun.

33:48 Speaker 17: That would be really fun.

33:51 Speaker 16: Tom Baker, tom Baker, one of the previous doctor who's although I was supposed to can do that right now? Maybe they could pull that off somehow well. As each doctor dies, they disintegrate and then it becomes thet gene,

34:08 Speaker 16: an entirely new human. It could be of any.

34:12 Speaker 17: That way, any actor can replace.

34:14 Speaker 13: It was a very convenient way for a new actor to come in and replace. They didn't try to replace the actor. They just brought in a new person and wrote in this brilliant idea of regeneration into the next appearance. He's always worried he's gonna have red hair.

34:31 Speaker 5: But.

34:33 Speaker 11: Oh we have a question.

34:34 Speaker 15: Grim Rock is asking in the chat did you get to see any Rolling Stones related landmarks when you were in London?

34:40 Speaker 13: I didn't, unless you count the London School of Economics.

34:44 Speaker 17: I don't know. Maybe I didn't. I didn't get taken a tour.

34:47 Speaker 16: Didn't you get to go down to where the Beatles were though?

34:50 Speaker 17: Ali rode that, yeah, No, I didn't go to Abbey to go there.

34:54 Speaker 7: No.

34:56 Speaker 16: For some reason, I thought you a.

34:57 Speaker 13: Lot of actors that I recognized from British television just walking down the street. People were just I mean, Pete Townsend was just walking down the street, because I think Brits are a little less likely to sort of run at them.

35:11 Speaker 15: Yes, that makes sense.

35:13 Speaker 16: The Americans are pretty British ourselves.

35:16 Speaker 13: Yes, and they comment on it. I met Michael Palin. He was Michael Palin from Monty Python. He was directing a play and I was walking through Covent Garden, my favorite, and uh, he was outside the theater. It was early in the morning, and so I asked him for an autograph, and then I asked if I could hug him, and he said, oh, you Americans, and then he hugged me. So and I had him sign a train ticket because he loves trains. He did a whole series about train travels. Oh so that was kind of fun. Oh, very good though, but no not not no rolling Stone kind of stuff.

35:52 Speaker 15: Yeah, uh, we should we should play another Uh, let's play another grim rock track from from the new album uh gr y R five.

36:02 Speaker 12: Uh.

36:02 Speaker 15: This is called you Belong to Me and then uh and then we'll come back and talk a little bit. If you're just joining us, this is Matt Connorton Unleashed. We are live from the studios of w m n H.

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38:44 Speaker 6: You are listening to w u n H ninety five point.

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39:29 Speaker 15: This is Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are alive from the studios of WMNH ninety five point three FM on this Saturday morning, July twenty seven, twenty twenty four. Jenny is here, of course, and president and accounted for. Miriam is here with us, and we just decided to spend another grimrock tune because he very kindly. If you are just joining us and I'll hold this up again for those watching online if you can see the video. Of course, grim Rock sent us GR five his new release and really love what he does.

39:59 Speaker 15: He is from Pennsylvania and we'll have to have him back on the show again soon too, but always nice and he included this wonderful note thank you to the WM and H family for all of the support Matt and Jen Rock's assigned to Grim so we appreciate that. And yeah, that was another track called you Belong You See, which we really like a lot. We've met some great people through Grim as well. We have.

40:22 Speaker 16: I had a curiosity question for you. I've just recently learned that this summer of music is the brat summer Brat. Summer Bratt is now apparently a good word. If you're called a brat, it means that you're like a a bad butt woman kind of a thing, and not a bad word. And that was new to me. The youngins are saying this now, Maddie Bratt, I.

40:47 Speaker 13: Think I would be able to keep up with it. I don't know fits and traders who are maybe a little young for it.

40:51 Speaker 16: I actually like it. I like, yeah, so we're taking that and being like, yeah, that's gonna be a good word now, Brat's right.

40:58 Speaker 15: Huh No, I'm not heard that this is a new term to me.

41:01 Speaker 16: Yes, yes, Bitchburg Records did a whole article about the summer it being the brat summer or something like that, and so I of course had to go down the rabbit hole to figure out what the heck of bratt summer was. But it's actually gaining even more in popularity for women to call each other brats apparently, And it's a good It's it's meaning you, I think you're your kick butt, You're you're a bad butt.

41:31 Speaker 17: I like it.

41:31 Speaker 11: I like it too.

41:33 Speaker 16: I like the idea of that. I can live with that.

41:36 Speaker 15: I like that.

41:36 Speaker 17: Yeah. Yeah, there are much worse things people could say.

41:40 Speaker 15: We should mention too, and I told them I would pump it up on the show. So we had recently, just a few weeks ago, actually we had a couple of fine folks from Sister Witch Company, Yeah and hooks It. We had Mary the owner and Sue the manager. They were on the show with us, and I have been invited to participate in an event August seventeenth, which is a Saturday, So I'll be getting there late, of course, or we if you're going, I don't know if you're going with me or not, of what your plan is, but but you're welcome to of course.

42:11 Speaker 15: But I'm gonna be doing some hypnosis at the event, so Sister Which Company and Hooks It. There's going to be several different people they're doing things. And it actually starts at noon, but again, you know, we don't get out of here until about one pm by the time the show's all uploaded and everything. So I will be starting at two pm that day at Sister Witch Company, but you can reserve a spot. I'll be doing group sessions, individual sessions. But it is a great place, Sister Witch Company and Hooks It and it's right on Ruth three, very very easy to find, so and in a great business and I well there's going to be more coming from them in the near future as well.

42:51 Speaker 15: So stay two. Yeah, really cool. Actually, yeah, no, I'm excited about it. I haven't done an event like that in a while. You used to do a lot of a lot of events way back back in the day when I was Norm Moody's co host on a television show. We used to do some events together.

43:06 Speaker 16: Do you remember him? I saw the look on your face, Miriam. Do you remember Norm Moody?

43:10 Speaker 13: No, I've heard people talk about him, but I don't remember Norm.

43:14 Speaker 18: Yeah.

43:14 Speaker 13: I think that was kind of before I was aware of any of the I mean, I grew up in Pennsylvania, So.

43:21 Speaker 15: Oh, you grew up in Pennsylvania. Do you know Grimrock?

43:23 Speaker 13: I don't know Grimrock, but I was curious what part of Pennsylvania Grimrock is from.

43:28 Speaker 11: Do you know the Amish Mafia?

43:31 Speaker 16: I don't, Okay, there in Pennsylvania.

43:35 Speaker 15: It was a reality show that I used to watch, which was very, very in terms of scripted reality shows, that was one of the more scripted.

43:46 Speaker 16: You know, I'm sorry, my brain's all over the place today.

43:51 Speaker 13: I remember watching another show where I think it was people who were sort of trying to leave that community.

43:57 Speaker 17: Yeah, and.

44:00 Speaker 13: I've been to like places where in Amish country and they have restaurants and things like that, But Amish Mafia, I'm not familiar with them.

44:09 Speaker 17: Maybe I need to check it out.

44:12 Speaker 15: Yeah, it was on like a e or the Learning Channel or something, and it lasted like three seasons, but it was it was so obviously fake. You could go online and look up the people and find I mean there were actors, you know, playing these characters. It was pretty ridiculous, just quickly something I found online from musiclly dot com. You know, we talk on the show a lot recently about AI and how it's impacting the music industry. There's a British startup company called Major Label Artists Club and it's setting its cap at independent artists, labels and managers with a service to help them manage their businesses online.

44:51 Speaker 15: It's also thinking about the industry debates around AI technologies and has announced a partnership relating to that. The partner is a French audio tech company, Irkham Irkham Amplify, but they will be using its technology to detect and block AI music from being distributed through its platform. And I think this is an interesting development because I mean, this is a small startup that's doing this, But I wonder if we're going to see this showing up in other uh with other music distributors where they actually have ways to detect.

45:25 Speaker 15: That's pretty interesting, be able to detect IA generated music and block it from being disseminated on their platforms. But I just wonder how accurate will that be, especially especially if it's you know, like electronic music, Like.

45:42 Speaker 17: How is it how?

45:43 Speaker 15: Yeah, how is it going to be able to detect? I'm curious how the software works and uh, I'm sure it's not perfect, but it says here. So the company in a blog post said, quote, using their technology, we will be able to scan up of five thousand music tracks and under a minute, detecting and blocking AI music from distribution with an accuracy rate of ninety eight point five per sound. We exist to ensure independent artists always get paid their fair share of music royalties from streams, sales, and live performances.

46:19 Speaker 15: We can't just sit back and watch as their music has been stolen to train AI music tools. Unquote. That's from co founder Mark Knight.

46:29 Speaker 16: And we've talked about that before, about these AI companies using modern music to train their artificial intelligence with. So then they have all of those that artists, all these different artists music in their banks basically, So what they're coming out with is that truly original or is it just a mosh of what they've taken in and it's just a computer spitting it right back out at you. Yeah, I mean everybody, No music doesn't mimic other music everybody. Every musician has is you know, you listen to different things and it comes out and but it comes out in your artistry.

47:10 Speaker 16: But it's yeah, and it's your creative mind and juices that are pulling that around that. But computerized music takes all of the magic out of it. To me, yeah, you know, I don't want something that some computers spit out. I like the idea of somebody's brainchild coming out in a tapestry of notes.

47:32 Speaker 17: Coming from their brain.

47:33 Speaker 15: Yeah, And in principle I agree with all of that, but as you know, I just have some concerns about how how the music industry and how legally you know, because you know there's going to be laws made about all this stuff too inevitably, you know how from a practical and pragmatic standpoint, how is that all going to work? And I don't know, and I think it's I think it's complicated. I mean, at the end of the day, I'll always advocate on behalf of artists and protecting artists, but but I'm not sure, like I'm as you can tell, just as I was reading it, I'm already skeptical about this technology that is going to somehow be able to detect any AI generated music with a ninety eight and a half percent accuracy rate.

48:13 Speaker 15: I'm skeptical and it says here too in the article. As ever, with this kind of thing, the key will be in the definition of AI music and how flexible the filters are. Entirely AI generated music is presumably what the companies want to block, rather than music being made by human artists who are using AI tools for some part of their creative process.

48:36 Speaker 13: See that's so, that's yeah, that's where it's going to get and it gets sticky the great Yeah, that's where how much is you?

48:43 Speaker 16: How much is machine?

48:44 Speaker 15: Right?

48:45 Speaker 13: We really should have been thinking about this a long time ago. And this goes takes me back to London School of Economics because my master's thesis was public Understanding of Artificial Intelligence. So in nineteen ninety three ninety four we already knew.

49:02 Speaker 17: It was coming.

49:03 Speaker 13: It was already happening, but just you know, small scale people were experimenting with it, I guess, but we already knew AI was coming.

49:13 Speaker 15: Yeah, but it's.

49:14 Speaker 13: Only in the last two years that everybody is kind of really thinking about it.

49:19 Speaker 17: The schools or are upset. A lot of people at schools are really worried about.

49:26 Speaker 15: Yeah, oh, no doubt. Yeah, Silicon Kong is I guess optimistic that this software will work, says in the chat room. They will detect loops from original music. I utilize many electronics. They will be able to determine the difference. And grim Rock said, oh that was me Lol. I was calling in to thank you for everything personally, but thank you for everything you do for indie artists like myself. Oh you're very welcome, grim Rock. By the way, the reason I didn't pick up is you were calling my cell phone.

49:57 Speaker 15: I did see you show up on my cell phone. But if you want to call this studio line really quick, you can. We do have a few minutes left. Six O three two five oh six oh seven six O three two five oh six oh seven. Uh that is the studio line here at w M and h uh but uh and uh. Grim is in the Pittsburgh area of Pennsylvania. By the way, I don't know if that's I don't think that's where the Amish Mafia was Pittsburgh. But anyway, but yeah, it's interesting. So what are they worried about in schools? Like kids using AI to to write papers?

50:31 Speaker 15: To write papers.

50:32 Speaker 13: And that's exactly the study that I did involved asking people questions about what they understood about AI and the people that I was living with. The woman she worked, she was the deputy head at a secondary school, and she gave my questionnaire to some kids, and almost all of those kids said they wanted the AI to do their homework. Yeah, and to clean the house, like to do their chores and to do their homework. So this was this is been a long time coming, but it's yeah, so here it is.

51:03 Speaker 15: Yeah, here it is. Yeah. Oh I thought grim Rock was on the phone, but nobody there. Yeah, it's uh yeah, it's a whole new world in some ways, right. I mean, I use chat GPT in some of my work and I find it quite quite helpful. You can certainly save a lot of time, certainly save a lot of time with it. There's also an article here. Oh I think this is grim calling back? Grim Is that you? Hello?

51:36 Speaker 18: Hey?

51:37 Speaker 15: How are you hey? Grim Rock? How are you doing? Welcome?

51:42 Speaker 18: I just wanted to I was going to call in just to personally thank you, uh you know, for for all the support and everything you and Gen do for everybody and uh putting on the show you do. And it's just it's a great format and a great platform for people to get recognized and noticed, and it's just it's been really cool and I really appreciate it a lot.

52:03 Speaker 15: Oh well, thank you, We appreciate you. We love your music and we are very happy to help to showcase it and thank you. Thank you so much, and thank you for sending us stuff. We always appreciate that too. It's wonderful to get that CD in the mail, and we really appreciate it.

52:20 Speaker 18: Hey, anytime, I'm glad that I can send things like that to everybody, you know.

52:25 Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, at fun absolutely absolutely, Hey, where should people because time is short unfortunately, but where should people go to keep up with everything that you're doing online?

52:37 Speaker 18: Let's go to Grim rock and roll dot com. All one more, Grim rock and roll dot com.

52:42 Speaker 15: Okay, well that's easy, that's easy, Very good, very good, all right, Grim. Well, hey, thank you so much for the call, my friend, and we should do a long form interview in the future, in the not too distant future, because you've always got a lot going on, so we'd love to do that with you again.

52:57 Speaker 18: Absolutely, and I really appreciate it.

52:59 Speaker 15: Thank you for having me absolutely any time. All right, take care man, all right, by bye bye.

53:04 Speaker 16: All right.

53:05 Speaker 15: That was grim Rock from Pennsylvania and you can go to grimrockandroll dot com to keep up with everything that he's doing.

53:12 Speaker 16: I drop the link in the chat room for you. If you happen to be in the Facebook chat room, you can check out grim Rock's Facebook page.

53:18 Speaker 15: Yes, yes, one of my favorites. Yeah, so what's uh, we only have a couple of minutes left, Miriam. I know it's a big question, but what's what's the answer. Do you think with the AI and schools, is there a solution?

53:33 Speaker 13: Probably get understanding it better, Yeah, is a really good idea. I mean they're starting to sort of embrace well, maybe we can use it this way, so, you know, like technology can be good and it can also be not so good, and so finding the good in it and finding ways to use that way and then also trying to figure out ways to avoid it being used inappropriately.

53:55 Speaker 17: So just learning about it is probably the main thing.

53:58 Speaker 15: Yeah.

54:00 Speaker 16: Bottom line, it's gonna be more and more prevalent in our society.

54:03 Speaker 15: I don't see.

54:03 Speaker 16: It's certainly not going to slow down somewhere.

54:06 Speaker 13: I think that people are going to be upset about it for a while as they are, you know, and then it's kinna. You know, people will sort of get used to it and settle down, and maybe they'll be complacent, complacent, and then it'll and they'll you know, we'll lose ground and then it'll get better again.

54:24 Speaker 11: I don't know.

54:25 Speaker 15: By the way, as it pertains to the music industry, there is an article I'll just refer to and maybe we'll look at it more closely in the future about Hollywood Reporter has something that just went up. Universal Music Group CEO on protecting artists from AI quote, we recognize potential threats. Early Lucy and Grange told investors the major music label was going to the courts to protect the rights of its artists and songwriters led by Taylor Swift, Drake and Lady Gaga, from massive copyright infringement.

54:56 Speaker 15: You know, it's interesting too, how history repeats itself. It seems like some of the conversation we're having now around AI that remind me a little bit of when, you know, back when Napster Remember Napster, Yeah, and that first became a thing and we had to have all the conversations and the music industry had to go through all this transformation regarding pirrating, pirating music sharing. You know, file sharing was a term we U see here all the time, and you know, now here we are again going through an you know, for a different reason, but we're going through another wave where this could really transform a lot of how the music industry operates dealing with AI and the various legal issues that it presents.

55:33 Speaker 16: This is harder, This is a lot harder. It's not simply like taking something and duplicating it, but this is where, you know, you're taking the brain child creations of multiple people and feeding it into a machine that has the ability to then translate that into something and call it new. And that wasn't Wasn't there something we talked about a while back involving Taylor Swift trying to fight to keep her music from being used to teach AI.

55:59 Speaker 15: Well, there was this story about I think it was I think it was Universal Music Group. I think it was UMG who was threatening AI companies with lawsuits if if they use UMG artists to train their large learning models. I don't think it was Taylor Swift specifically, although she might be on UMG. I'm not sure but you know, and then, of course, playing devil's advocate, my counter argument was, well, how is and again this is just me playing Devil's advocate, because I'll always advocate for artists.

56:32 Speaker 15: But I did raise the question, how is that different from a human? You know, if I sit down and I write a song as a human, it's it's but it's anything that I create, anything that I write, it has been directly influenced and informed in some way by all of the music that I've heard over the course of my life up to that point. So how is that any different?

56:58 Speaker 16: Because you're a human being who is taking the life of yourself. It's not just the music you've heard. It's your life experience. It's your favorite color, it's where your house is located, where you've gone, it's all of that that plays into your creations. And as a human being, your human creation is what we're all wanting, right, what we're all paying for. I mean, it might be more cost efficient to create music with AI, but that's not what I'm I personally like the creativity that comes out of a human mind.

57:25 Speaker 16: With AI, you're talking about something that has the ability to remember every little thing and just spit it back out. All it's taking all of those little bit of things and spitting it back out at you. Right, it's not creative in the same way that we use that terminology to me involving a human being who it's not just like I said, it's not just the music they've heard, because it's fair for you to say that, but it's everything else that goes along with it, right, Life experience changes everything.

57:56 Speaker 15: Yes, yes, well, we are out of time. Thank you, Jenny. Do you want to plug your website?

58:01 Speaker 16: Absolutely? You can follow my craziness at Jencoffee dot com j E N N C O F f U I dot com and you'll find links there to my new substack.

58:11 Speaker 15: Yes, yes, and uh, thank you again Miriam for coming in today. Thank you for having me absolutely.

58:17 Speaker 16: And we love you.

58:18 Speaker 15: Thank you everyone who joined us. Of course uh from Paper Jam magazine, Sheila and Tony, and of course uh the ladies from the Grandite State Blues Society.

58:28 Speaker 16: Oh, and thank you Miriam for all you do to help our young folks grow up.

58:32 Speaker 11: Well.

58:33 Speaker 15: Yes, thank you Maria, thank you. Yes, all right, we gotta go. If you miss any part of today's show, it will be up in just a little bit wmnhradio dot org and we'll talk to you a little bit later. Bye everybody, my mom.

58:49 Speaker 14: Bye, ye go by.

59:00 Speaker 12: Side go where no sameyn, no loomy road up live.

59:13 Speaker 7: Yes, when I was in school, did make good grades. I was, yes, still being dumb fool when I was still young.