Matt Connarton Unleashed 8-3-23

Welcome everybody. Here we go. It is that time again, Matt Connerton Unleashed and we are live from the studios of w m n H ninety five point three FM in Glorious downtown Manchester, New Hampshire. Also on Comcast ninety seven if you're in Manchester, and hello to all of our online listeners across the nation and around the globe. You can go to my website Matt Connerton dot com for all of your live streaming options, social media links, contact info, show archives, etcetera, etcetera. Today is a Thursday, August third, twenty twenty three.

I couldn't decide whether to say August three or August third, so it came out August third. It's just so you know, that's the reason why I said it that way. I don't want anyone to think I'm having a medical episode or something anyway. So there you go. So we have a well quite a show for you. I suppose I'm kind of keeping an eye on the NBC news feed. The arrangement is I assume it's taking place now, is supposed to happen at four o'clock Eastern, So we'll we'll talk about that today. Certainly, also coming up today at five pm Eastern Time at the top of the hour.

This is exciting Jerry and the Scumbags the world radio premiere of their new single, Hipster Dipster, and it's it's really good. I'm actually gonna plus this a little bit of extra audio before the song too. This song is already available online, but today is the world radio premiere of the song on FM radio. And I'm very very excited about that. Jerry Robinson so talented, and of course he's got Eric Pincher on guitar and Billy Painter on bass, and there's this guy, mattso Covington. I'm sorry no, Billy Painter on drums, right, yes, mattso Covington on bass and uh wow boy that guy, that mattso Covington, what a bass player.

Uh. That is coming up today at five pm Hipster Dipster and it's really really good, very catchy. So I think I think you'll enjoy it tremendously. Everyone loves Jerry Robinson. My dad even loves Jerry Robinson, so he's he's just great. Um So, the world radio premiere of the new track, Hipster Dipster coming up today at five pm. And very very excited. We are not going to do going to do Easyg's Entertainment report today. Today was supposed to be his big return for that, but he messaged me before I even had a chance to say anything to him about it, and he said, yeah, with kind of a big newsday, maybe we save the report for another day.

And I said, yeah, that sounds good, Eric, because it is a little bit of a big newsday, quite historic. A couple other things though, to tell you about quickly before we get in everything. It is the first Thursday of the month, which means that immediately following this show, I will be doing my monthly call in to the Doctor Kevin Show. And the Doctor Kevin Show airs online on the Omtimes Radio network omom as an ome so you can go to omtimes dot com and click the link to listen live to the Doctor Kevin Show.

The first Thursday of every month, I joined Doctor Kevin and we talk about no politics and current events. And I think I can guess what will be speaking about this evening, so that will be immediately following this show. As soon as I get off the air here, I grab my cell phone and I call into Doctor Kevin's show. And I'm there for the hour. So for those of you, if you get to the end of this show and you go, oh my god, I need another hour of Matt Connerton, I just haven't had enough. Well, as long as you're willing to share me with doctor Kevin, you can in fact have another hour of me, So that will be this evening.

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So so there you go. So that will be a Saturday night at the hop knot um. Let me give the phone line for the studio and then we'll say hello everybody in the Facebook live chat, and then we'll then we'll take a look at the NBC news feeds see where we are with things. But six z three two five six z seven, the studio line is open six zo three two five six zoh seven. You can also text me at six one seven nine one seven four four seven six. I'm on social media at Matt Connerton. You can email me Matt at Matt Connerton dot com.

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Isaac Banks is in the Facebook lave chat and says good afternoon. Hashtag Matt good afternoon. Robert Moore and Annabelle lore La w Are Jenny is in the chat and says shalom, peeps, let's see Isaac Banks saying all kinds of stuff. Now I have a little bit of I have something interesting, interesting thing here, Isaac Banks. I received. Now I'm not going to identify because I don't know how he'd feel about it. I'm not going to identify the individual who sent me this, but I will just say I will just share this with you.

I received a Facebook message today that says this, you may want to ban Isaac Banks and any of his we say logins from your live cast chat. I just got a scam solicitation from him m and sent me a screenshot of the solicitation. So I'm just telling you,

hashtag Isaac I'm I'm aware of this. I'm not gonna ban you, not yet. I appreciate your interaction in the show, but well, I saw that screenshot and I said that it's not good. That's not good, all right? Six three two five, six seven is the number? Six seven, Isaac Banks says, hashtag Matt Connerton. They are good friends of mine. Let's check in quickly here with the NBC news feed, and the evidence of that so far is that those electors have been indicted by the state of Michigan. But look for the defense to frame the false electors as alternate electors.

You might hear people talking about nineteen sixty in Hawaii where Kennedy's electors had a ceremonial type submission, but that was under a court ordered recount, and the argument there would be that there the issue was much more in doubt. So therefore, um what he's talking about. So a big part of the obviously is this thing with the fake electors, setting up fake electors. Now, if I understand this correctly, and there's this is particularly interesting to me. I don't know who the gentleman is who's talking again, that's the live feed from NBC News right now.

You know, it's it's a pretty historic day. Obviously, we've never seen anything quite like this. But the former Trump attorney who is now I don't know if he officially works for MSNBC, but he's on there quite a bit. Let me see if I can find this quickly. So I was in the car earlier. His name's Joe per Laconi or per lacon or something pertacon He was talking about how he was explaining, essentially, he was defending the fake elector scam, saying that it's actually there's no He was on with Andrea Mitchell and he was saying, there's actually it will be very difficult for the prosecution to prove that there's any problem with the fake electors because it's actually normal to have all electors in case something happens to the primary electors or something like that.

It was it was an interesting I mean, I wasn't buying it, but it was a very interesting argument that he was making. I'm gonna try to find that quickly if I can, because I did think it was intriguing. DJ Steves in the Facebook live chat and says, good afternoon everyone. I can only imagine what Paul's got up his sleeve. Yes, let's see. I'm gonna see if I can find this quickly by former Trump attorney, because I did think this was interesting. The other thing that's particularly fascinating to me that I want to look at today is Mike Pence, the former Vice president, of course, might actually end up testifying.

In fact, I think it's quite likely is going to end up testifying in this trial against Trump. And that's first of all, obviously, well look, all of this is unprecedented. But oh is he arriving at the court. I see a lot of activity here. There's Democrats right, they go, they sign certificates, send them off to Congress sendment of the archives to say this is who our state has picked. These are where you know, let's stick with us for a minute, because she's talking about the same thing I was just talking about.

Hinges on that there essentially that the wrong party right in states that the Democrat Joe Biden wont the wrong party the Republicans tried to send a fake they made fake certificates in many disinstances and send that off to say, no, look this is what we think. You know, this is we want to complicate the issue. Why Ultimately the thinking seemed to be to pressure then Vice President Mike pens to say, well, look, I don't know, I mean, we have an issue. Maybe mister jump interrupted is a second our pony express type reporting from the courtroom tells us that the former president is being sworn in right now, so that hearing is underway.

We should hear more here piecemeal, and we'll keep bringing to you. I do want to ask at check Rosenberg the fact that the former president is still making those claims. I believe as recently as today that the twenty twenty election was fraudulent. Okay, Um, I'm having trouble finding the Yeah, I'm having trouble finding exactly what I was just talking about with that former Trump's former lawyer. Um, I'll see if I can find it when we take our break at the top of the hour. But Um, Effectively, he was saying that there's there's nothing unusual about having alternate electors just in case and when Andrea Mitchell pushed back on that and said, well, okay, but they these false electors.

The reason they signed these certificates and did everything that they were doing was they were trying to commit an act of fraud because there was a larger plan here where the vice president Mike Pence, if he were to if he had cave to the pressure that he was under by Trump, had he caved to that pressure, he could have said, in theory, this is how the theory goes. He could have said, Okay, I'm not accepting these electors I'm going to accept these alternate electors instead. Now, the former Trump attorney, I wish is it Joe Perlocone.

I feel like it might be Perlocone. I've seen a lot of the guy, and yet I am struggling with his last name. Um. He said that, well you can't. He said, it's a very high bar for the prosecution to prove that they were actually attempting any sort of fraud, because again, it's not unusual to have he said that, or he said, there's nothing illegitimate about having almost said having false electors, but obviously that's not what he would say. There was. There's nothing illegitimate about having potential alternate electors.

Um. The problem is though, that's just it's that's a tough one to swallow, isn't it? Um? Why else was this being coordinated? Uh? In all of these uh? In all of these different states. Now, Jenny just sent me something, a feed, a YouTube feed from inside the courtroom. They're reporting from inside the courtroom. Let's see, because NBC News just reported on their feed that the Trump was being sworn in right now? Rick Smith says, who watched the Barbie movie? Is it good for guys? I have not seen the Barbie movie, not particularly interested in it, not because I have anything against it.

I'm not a conservative, so I'm not angry at the Barbie movie. Apparently a lot of conservatives. I think that the Barbie movie is Chinese propaganda. And uh, I guess because maybe Ken dolls are not anatomically correct. It's like pro trans or something whatever, crazy stuff. Ben Shapiro says about it, but I've seen it. Scott Robinson says, good afternoon, my fellow Connor. Tonight's since today is Thursday, will there be an entertainment report? Uh? No, easyg It was his suggestion. Actually, he said he'd like to I'll do it another day because obviously today is a big newsday.

Let's check out this feed that Jenny sent me. Very likely some of those issues resolved in Judge Chukins courtroom, because she's presided over many of these January six cases already, right the first ruling there. Then they go to the appellate court in particular sort of a definition of how high a standard is there for obstruction of a proceeding. I think that's very important. But look, you know the defense is going to be arguing, as Asha said, a whole lot of different kinds of it seems to be.

I'll leave that running in the background too, but it seems to be the same as I mean, I don't think they know anything different than what the what they know on NBC.

Let's see if you're just joining us here on Matt Connerton unleashed a little bit of an unconventional thing I'm doing here today on the program. But I've kind of got these different news feeds open and watching them, kind of keeping an eye on them only because obviously it's a historic moment, a former president on his third indictment in Washington, DC. So this is something that we've never seen before, but to kind of circle back to the other thing, and again if I can find more information about the I think his name is Joe perlcone.

What he was saying, I'll go back to that. His defense was interesting, but we also might see again as this is so unprecedented former Vice president Mike Pence testifying against his former boss, and because he shows up a lot in this indictment, right, and apparently he took contemporaneous notes on everything as he was being pressured to throw out the election results instead of doing his constitutional duty on January six, and I though, goodness he held firm. But um, it's also just interesting because not only was he Trump's vice president, but he's also Trump's political opponent in the quest for the Republican nomination.

Let's see Isaac Banks says, mister Jason Federson. Oh, this is directed to Jay fed Mister Jason Feederson. My brother Mike Banks is a rapper and he makes beats. My brother Mike Banks never sleeps in my bed. He just used the bathroom. Is my brother? You mean? You say not? They from R Dell five. Well, I hope he explained everything to you sufficiently there, Jay Fed Now now you understand the situation and the family dynamics and his brother Mike Banks not sleeping in his bed and so forth.

Jenny says, I have a reporter in there. I guess the arraignment is under way. They are talking and they are reporting what is going on in the courtroom. Yeah, we can check this, you know. I think it's important to distinguish from the political defenses, which are you know, they're just they're just out together. That's Dan Abram's talking, that's the ABC News feed. Is an interesting argument, this idea that they're trying to interfere in the election, and yet all we ever see every time an indictment happens is Donald Trump go up in the polls.

At the judge's request. Just moments ago, Donald Trump offered his full name in court, saying, yes, your honor, Donald J. Trump. John. He also gave his age in court seventy seven. The judges. Now we are told reading the charges to the former president Donald Trump. Again, this is where it starts to come into focus, just the historic nature of what it is we're watching unfold. And John, you and I look to each other when we heard how long the former president had been left to wait for the federal magistrate.

Again, this is the judge, at least in this initial phase who's presiding before it turns over to Judge TOMMYA. Chutkin in the future. But just the idea of the former president sitting there waiting has to spell out his name, confirm his name, confirm his age seventy seven. That's also a very harsh reminder to the former president himself that this is serious. He had to sit at that table for twenty minutes, David, He had to sit at that table for twenty minutes waiting for somebody else. Donald Trump never waits for anything.

He's always the biggest guy in the room. He comes in and everybody's waiting until he gets there and it's let's go. He had to wait for twenty minutes. And then, of course the familiar call we hear every time we're in a courtroom and the judge comes in, all rise. Donald Trump, like everybody else in that courtroom, had to stand up and you know, give deference to that judge. And remember, he's not free to leave. He is he's not in handcuffs, but he's under arrest. He has to be there for this arrangement.

The judge just advised the former president of the penalties he could face if convicted Count one, the judge said, up to five years in prison. Count two up to twenty years in prison. Count three up to twenty years in prison. Count four up to ten years in prison. The former president, Donald Trump, according to our reporter in the room, was leaning forward in his chair, listening intently to the judge as she went down the list of each count and the potential time in prison that someone convicted of that count could face.

The judge also read Donald trump As rights in connection to this case and asked if he understands those rights again, Pierre Thomas, this is the kind of moment that reinforces really the weight of what it is we're reporting on here today, David. There's always that pregnant moment in a courthouse when a defendant walks in and insists before a magistrate or judge when it charges are read. Yeah, Jenny was right. This feed is better because they seem to have somebody inside the courtroom. Although now I think, what's NBC News doing here this email?

In reality, you're not after me, they're after you, Okay, talking about the fundraising. Yeah, that's That's the thing though, I mean, you know, this is, as I've often talked about on the show. Trump has worked himself into a place where this does actually help him. He's in a no lose proposition. I mean, I'm sure on some level it must be very frightening to be going through this, and this is his third indictment, and you know, the consequences of this could be pretty awful, clearly, right, But he continues to rise in the polls in the Republican Party.

The more legal trouble he gets into, the more it piles on, the more it stacks up, the more money he raises, and the more it reaffirms that he will be And I stand by my prediction. Our own governor here in New Hampshire, Governor Chris Sinunu, he has said all along there is no way Trump will be the nominee he is. He has said that. He says that over and over, and you know he likes to I mean, he's he's on the news. He's on cable news almost as much as Chris Christie m He's become a popular figure. And you know, and he's not running for reelection here in New Hampshire.

He's become. I mean, he's popular figure here. He always easily wins. He probably could easily win reelection should he run again, but he's not. He's moving on. But you know, it wouldn't surprise me to see him as an analyst at on one of these cable news channels in the future. But he always he's very critical of Trump, and not quite as critical as Chris Christie, but he's pretty critical of him. And he has said right along that there is no possibility of Trump actually being the nominee. He doesn't make so much a legal argument though, he kind of makes more of an argument of He says, Look, he's you know, he's a he's a loser.

That's his term, not mine. He says, you know, he lost the twenty twenty election. He lost, he lost the House, Republican control of the House. He you know, he endorses candidates and they lose, which isn't always the case. But you know, he's a drag on the party, et cetera. So um, But I but I think he's wrong. I think Governor Sanunu is absolutely wrong. I think, uh, I don't. I don't know what kind of math he's doing. And listen, I'm not good at math myself. But uh, Trump's strength among Republicans is growing, not decreasing.

Um, He's miles ahead of his next closest rival, which is uh uh round sanctimonious and um, and there's no chance to Santis is ever gonna catch up. I mean to Santis is actually failing. And and everybody else in the field, well, okay, I mean, obviously you've got a few people who are willing to go directly at Trump, like Christ like Asa Hutchinson, not quite as much but still of course a former Texas Congressman Will Hurd, you know, and Mike Pence is kind of in a position where you know, he kind of has to has to go at him, right.

But um, but then you've got these other candidates in the field that are just so terrified to say anything critical of Trump, including Ran de Santis, who continues to try to play this game of on one hand, obviously he's Trump's political rival for the nomination, but at the same time he's like, oh, this is all just political prosecute. The most ridiculous thing was when somebody asked him about January sixth, I think it was at a campaign event, and he said, well, Look, you know, I wasn't there, and the President probably should have leaned in more, but you know, I wasn't there, so I really don't know much about it.

It's like, oh, my god, de Santis is just horrible, horrible candidate. I'm not even talking about his politics. I'm just saying as a candidate, he really is terrible. It's no wonder that apparently a lot of donors are running away from him and going to Tim Scott. But so you've got these candidates, though, the ones who are not directly criticizing him, who are like walking on eggshells because either they know they're not going to be the nominee and they want to be his veep, or because they think that Trump is going to go down and they want to be there to pick up the pieces by not alienate, not alienating any of his supporters, by continuing to defend Trump.

So you've got you've got you know all this. I mean, Trump is firmly in control of this entire process. Rono Favarro joins us in the Facebook litchat and says hello from California. Jenny says he's being released under the conditions he can't break any more. Laws federal or state, must be in court for everything. He's not to talk to anyone about the case who is a witness. Yeah, let's seeing that are watching this a real time. That the prosecution and the defense have agreed on several conditions.

One, Donald Trump must not violate any other federal or state laws. Two, Donald Trump must appear in court as required. Obviously will be yet to see a calendar on this case. David Trump must sign an appearance for bond. And as one of the prosecutors put it, he must not quote, communicate about the facts of the case with anyone Trump knows to be a witness except through counsel or in presence of counsel and David. That one is duplicative to the other case that was brought by Special Counsel Jack Smith, the Document Retention case.

Witnesses that are involved in that case cannot talk about the case with Trump. We see here in this case now on the efforts to overturn the twenty twenty election, same thing. Donald Trump cannot talk to any other witnesses that are known to him and his lawyers. And that is obviously, as we talked about David several weeks ago. Here with you. That's going to be a problem for Donald Trump, because the one thing we all know Donald Trump likes to do is talk about his current situation. He talks about these cases, talks about what could be next.

How is this playing for me? It's a phrase we have heard many, many times over the years from Donald Trump, that one in particular, David, that is going to be a problem for Donald Trump. But if he wants to avoid any further issues, he's gonna have to stick to it. So as a foreign example, Dan abrahams, if Donald Trump wanted to talk to Mark Meadows, let's say he can only do it through counsel, or in the presence of counsel, can't pick up the phone call Mark Meadows to talk about anything related to the case.

That is not surprising, right, not surprising. But remember that you still have to get caught, right, I mean, you know, I mean I hate to yeah, as if it so cavalier, because it's not. But you know, these are the sorts of orders that happen that as long as someone doesn't report it, as long as he doesn't say it in public, as long as the witness is still on the same page with Donald Trump, no one's really going to know about it. But with that said, when it comes to some of the witnesses who are not currently you know, at Mara Lago all the time, people who he's not regularly talking with, it's a clear statement from the court you better not engage in any witness tampering, and even more than that, you just better not talk to them about it at all.

I mean think about it. In a trial, very often witnesses aren't even allowed to sit in the courtroom when other people are testifying because they don't want it to impact their testimony. Right, So, witnesses are often asked to leave the courtroom or not allowed to watch the proceedings because they don't want the proceedings to influence their possible testimony. You have a similar issue here, which is decide even witness tampering. You just don't want witnesses improperly influenced based on conversations about the case.

We're just hearing Dan. That a hearing before Judge Tanya Chutkin, who is the judge who will take over the case from here. The Obama appointed judge who has overseen a number of January six cases, had handed out a number of stiff sentences to people involved. The January sixth, she will preside over the trial. The hearing is scheduled for August twenty eighth, ten AM, so the end of this month, the latest of three dates offered as options. So again the magistrate overseeing today's hearing, the latest date of the three dates offered as options from prosecutors was selected.

Prosecutors had wanted the hearing to be earlier, but again the next date key date omnis calendar August twenty eighth, five days after the Republican debate in Milwaukee, the first Republican Debate, which again we don't know if Donald Trump is going to decide to show. Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't expect he would be at this particular hearing. Um, you know this is this is going to be a first motions hearing etcetera, to set schedules, etcetera. So you know, I don't I don't expect that Donald Trump would be at this particular Well we hear that here at that hearing when the proposed trial date would be.

Yeah, they may have discussions about it, but any proposed trial date in a case like this I think is fake at this point it's a target date, it's a hope, it's a wish, and it's going to totally depend Okay, so uh yeah, so that's newsworthy. So that's when the next hearing will be August twenty eighth. So um, but as Dan Abrams was saying on the ABC News feed that you know, things get things get pushed back. Um, Mark Meadows was mentioned. Now, Mark Meadows, of course, was the White House Chief of staff at the time the Jan six happened.

And Mark Meadows we haven't heard much from. But Chris Christie had speculated that Mark Meadows might be a cooperating witness and that's why we're not hearing much from him publicly. Radar Online has an exclusive. It says Mark Meadows flipped on Trump one time White House chief of staff, turned against xboss prior to explosive Jan six indictment, provided Feds with evidence. Let's see. Now, there's been a lot of speculation about this, but Radar Online seems to think they have the scoop here. Let's look at this.

Mark Meadows, the final White House chief of staff under Donald Trump, agreed to testify against his one time boss in a secret deal with federal prosecutors. Radar online dot Com has been told in a blockbuster exclusive, we can reveal that Meadows was a key witness in the federal grand jury convened by Special Counsel Jack Smith, whose office handed down a historic four account indictment earlier this week. Trump will make his first court appearance to defend himself in the explosive charges on Thursday.

That's today, of course. A source connected to the case told Radar online dot com quote, the fact Meadows is not being discussed as a co conspirator is telling in itself. That is all but proof that Meadows took some sort of deal with Smith to either testify under the protection of immunity or that he acted as a cooperating witness unquote. The case insider added, quote, when a witness is called to testify before a grand jury, the individual can refuse to testify on the ground that his testimony will incriminate him.

But it's almost impossible to think Meadows might invoke his Fifth Amendment right. Therefore, Smith had three options, challenge the privilege and call Meadows, waive his appearance, or consider a grant of immunity. The most plausible option here, given what we know, that Meadows did not. That Meadows did indeed testify is option three. That is, Meadows flipped and turned against Trump unquote. The source added, Meadows did not hatch a plea agreement with prosecutors and had been previously as had been previously claimed.

In June, an attorney for Meadows vigorously denied a report from the Independent that Meadows had entered guilty please to quote unspecified federal crimes unquote, calling it complete bs. The Radar Online source said, quote Meadows did not plead guilty never. It is a misnomer to think he needed to plead to something in order to get some form of immunity unquote. By the way, that's a misuse of the term. Misnomer's pointing that out. I'm nitpicky about these things. Let's see, becoming a witness against the former president is a stunning betrayal quote unquote from the man who Trump handpicked to replace Mick Mulvaney as chief of staff.

In March twenty twenty, a Trump insider told Radar Online. The source said, quote Marcus considered a rat amongst team. Try to Trump Mark Meadows is like what Sammy the Bull Gravano was to John Gotti. Trump believes Mark is a turncoat. He feels betrayed unque. The New York Times first reported that Meadows, a former North Carolina congressman, testified before the grand jury. The outlet described him as quote a potentially key witness. The Times reported at the beginning of June. Quote For months, people in mister Trump's orbit orbit have been puzzled by and wary about the low profile kept by mister Meadows in the investigations.

As reports surface of one witness after another going into the grand jury or to be interviewed by federal investigators. Mister Meadows has kept largely out of sight, and some of mister Trump's advisors believe he could be a significant witness in the inquiries. Mister Trump himself has at times asked aids questions about how mister Meadows is doing unquote. The newspaper added, citing a person familiar with the remarks. Trump was officially indicted on felony charges. Okay, we know all that, So there you go.

So we'll see. I have a feeling we're going to find out. I have a feeling we're going to find out soon, Jenny says in the chat. The first Goop debate is August twenty three. By the way, I didn't realize they were talking about that.

I didn't realize it was in Milwaukee. I thought that I just I guess I just assumed the first debate would be in Iowa, since that's where the first primaria is. Obviously. Now Politico dot com we'll go to this too, because we were talking about Mike Pence. Politico has a this just went up. Trump's indictment for jan six turns Mike Pence into a litmus test. The former vice president stood biased criticism of Trump yesterday and called his former boss former boss's one time lawyers crackpots. Now that's kind of been That's not unusual, though, as somebody on the NBC newsfeed was saying earlier that, oh wow, Pence is really getting salty.

We don't usually hear that kind of language from him. M Yeah, I mean, he's gradually. It's it's been so interesting to watch Mike Pence because he very sort of gradually wades into that water of being critical of Trump. But but again, you know, he doesn't want to upset He doesn't want to upset Maga, so he tries to he does this thing where and he's really still doing it where he blames it on the lawyers. You know, So whenever somebody says to Mike Pence in an interview, well, you know, do you blame Trump for for all of this?

You blame Trump for, you know, spreading these election lies in January six and everything. And Pence's standard answer is some variation of well, I don't think it's I don't think it's illegal to get to be given bad legal advice. So he blames the lawyers. Now, there is a principle in law, and I forget what the actual name is for this principle. It's probably Latin. I do know that there is a principle in law that, yes, you can argue that you were given bad advice by your attorneys and try to use that as a justification or a way to get out of trouble for what you've done that has been done.

Well, I was given bad legal advice. If i'd been if I had had competent legal representation, I wouldn't have done what I did. It's probably pretty flimsy, and I don't think that defense would work here, right, But but that seems to me that's how Pence sort of, you know, plays that game of well, you know, I don't like what happened on January six, you know, and I had to stand my ground and fulfill my constitutional duty. And again, good for him, that's good. But but then he's, you know, he wants to blame anybody but Trump.

He doesn't want to blame Trump directly because he doesn't want Maga upset with him. So he's like, oh, you know, he got bad legal advice. They were his lawyers were crackpots, which is true. I mean, you look at this crew, right, Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, John Eastman, Jenna Ellis. Yeah, they do seem like crackpots. That's one way of putting it. I suppose they do all see him a little nuts. But let's look at this and then then at the top of the hour, we have the world radio premiere of the new Jerry and the Scumbags song Hipster Dipster.

Really looking forward to that. But let's look at this again. This is from Politico. For much of the first fifty four days of his presidential campaign, Mike Pence has been relegated to the contests lower tier, fighting for scraps in single digit polls. At a crowded table featuring Donald Trump and Ronda Santis on Day fifty five, the former vice president took the main stage. The indictment of Trump by Special counsel Jack Smith for his efforts to undermine the twenty twenty election placed a sharper focus on Pence's actions leading up to and on jan six, including the revelation that he kept contemporaneous notes.

It also elevated the idea that Pence himself would be a litmus test for the rest of the field. Would they have made a different decision that day. Speaking of reporters on Wednesday yesterday, Pence showed no regrets or equivocations. In the hours after Smith unveiled his indictment, Pence said this quote, with regard to the substance of the indictment, I've been very clear. I had hoped it wouldn't come to that. I had hoped that this issue and the judgment of the President's actions that day would be left to the American people.

But now it's been brought in a criminal indictment. Quote, So he's still gonna you know, he's he's you know, it's it just amazes me. I mean, if you're a regular listener, you've already heard my Mike Pence rants. You know, he he'll he does this. I mean, I'm sorry, I just I find it sad. He'll do this thing where, you know, in one breath he'll acknowledge that the actions and the words of Trump on that day directly put him and his family, his family, his wife and his daughter's in danger, put them in danger.

And then but it's like, yeah, you know, he put us in danger and this is so terrible. Ah, but hey, who could be mad at the guy? Really? Right? Oh? I just love him so much, you know, it's really remarkable. Yeah, you know, he could have he could have gotten my family and I killed by those riders that day, you know, when the they had already begun to overrun the Capitol, and he's tweeting out, you know, Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do the right thing as they're chanting, hang Mike Pence. Yeah, pretty reckless and dangerous and h you know, my my wife and my daughters were with me and they could have been harmed, and that's all.

That's all pretty terrible. Ah. But but come on, I mean, it's President Trump. He's so awesome. I just I can't hold a grudge. Sometimes I wish I could just go up to him and just squeezes, squeeze his big orange cheeks and just say, oh, mister former Vice President Trump, I just love you so much, and you did a bad thing that day, but oh, I just god, You're just so awesome. I mean, it really is. It's it's I just find it's sad. You know again, I'm glad he showed courage on January sixth, and that's great.

But I just tell you, what, you ever put my family in danger, if you were to put anybody, if you were to put Jenny in danger, or anybody in my family in danger, anybody that I love in danger, The last thing I would ever do is go out and publicly humiliate myself and emasculate myself over and over by saying nice things about you after you did that. That's the last thing I would do. It's so bizarre to watch him, and he gets so he gets so uncomfortable too, whenever he's I saw this and that that last CNN town hall when uh oh, who was it who was asking him the questions?

Was it Jake Tapper? Or was it Caitlin Collins anyway, Uh, because I think he's done a couple of him now right. Um, you know, whenever he gets into a situation where he's um, he's being asked a question where it's it's really hard, it's getting difficult for him to defend Trump, who, by the way, is his political opponent for the nomination. But but he just doesn't want to say anything too damning either, and he gets he gets visibly nervous, like he starts shaking, and he starts shifting in his seat, Like, dude, the guy put your wife and your daughters in danger, be a man, for God's sake, show just the tiniest bit, just a little Can we just see a little, just brief flash of some sort of degree of anger from you, something that shows that, I mean, because otherwise I don't know how your wife and your daughters can even look at you.

You're so just like, well, you know, he put he put my family in danger. But ah, but he got bad advice from lawyers. It's not his fault. It's like, oh my god, what what I mean is he just he may thought he might not be fully human. He may he might not be capable of actual human emotion. Maybe that's the problem. He's just such an empty husk of a man that he can't even uh muster the anger. You know. He's he's, he's He'll always be a little bit disappointed, certainly with President Trump over that, but he'll never actually be angry with him, you know, if for putting his family in jeopardy.

Karen Cuban is on the line. Hello, Karen, haven't heard from you in a while.

Karen, are you there? I am here. I finally you finally came through. You were breaking up. Oh hey, how you doing. Haven't heard from you in a long time. I'm doing fine, Thank you. I listened to the show. I just haven't been calling. But I have a question for you about today's indictment. Yes, the judge that is in charge of this case actually has passed down some stiff sentences towards January sixth. Yeah, do you think he's more likely to get a guilty sentence from her? Well, it's ultimately up to the jury, but I mean as far as um, as far as the verdict.

But yes, I do think, um, yes, I do think this judge is going to be tough and uh and and it could be a very stiff sentence if he has found guilty. Absolutely, because you're right, this judge has been pretty tough on the I call him insurrectionists. Uh not everyone agrees with the use of that term. I stand by it. I say that that was an insurrection um and uh yeah, and and and good for the judge for being tough, uh in my opinion, in my opinion, Um, so yeah, I do think uh yes, I do think it could be a harsh sentence.

You know, that's assuming any of this ever. I mean, look, if Trump does manage to get reelected, which is possible, it's very possible this all goes away. You know, he'll he'll he'll tell the DJ that's it, uh, drop everything, and he'll he'll pardon himself and and that'll be it. So you know, who knows if this will ever even get to actually get to trial, you know, and there's going to be a lot of delays along the way. But but no, if it if it gets if it does get to that point where uh uh, he's you know, he goes through a trial and he's found guilty.

Yeah, I think he's looking at a tough sentence probably. I hope so, but and I have two other questions. The one, why don't they make him surrender his passport. Oh, he's not a he's not a flight risk. I mean, they could do that. But he's not going anywhere. He's he's running for president. He's not gonna he's not gonna Where's he gonna go. He's not gonna leave. You don't think so he looks like he's going to lose in court, you don't think he would take off? No, No, he won't. No, he's not going anywhere.

No, he's he's uh, he's running for president. He's not going anywhere, even even if it looks like, I mean, he may expect to lose, you know. Uh, they don't usually bring From what I understand, and I didn't even realize this until recently, but most federal cases, I think it's around ninety percent of federal cases that are brought by the Department of Justice, um never go to trial because they ninety percent of the time they end up in a plea deal and then the other ten percent, most of the time, they end up with a guilty verdict.

So, um, they're so good at at getting at convicting, at convicting at convicting people that they usually don't even get to trial. You know, his lawyers might tell him. Trump's lawyers might even tell him at some point, hey, we should really think about pleading this out. This doesn't look good. Who knows, but he won't do it. He'll no, he's not gonna do it. I mean, that would look that. That might be the one thing that really Rex's campaign if he started pleading out, Although even if he did that, he'd probably just say, well, I had to.

You know, they put me in a in a no win position, and I can't be I can't be your president from jail. So if you want me to make America great again and take another shot at putting Hillary Clinton in prison or whatever, then you know I had to. I had to take the plea just so I could stay out of jail. You know, I don't know who knows now his family in one of a plea deals, they can't do any as far as charity things in New York. Could a plea deal like pound him out of ever running for president again?

Ah? Probably not. I don't. I don't think so, because even if that were presented to him, I think he would just I think he would reject that. I think he'd rather risk a conviction and potentially even end up in jail. I mean he can run, Hell, he could in theory. I mean he can run for president from jail. It's been done. I remember when I was a kid, Lyndon LaRouche would run from prison every year. He'd be on the ballot here in New Hampshire. You know you can do it. So no, I don't think. Um. I mean, I guess you could put that in a plea deal, right, but I don't think he would accept it.

I don't think there's any chance. I don't think they would even try because they know he wouldn't accept it. I didn't know a convicted if a convicted seven could run for president. Yes, there is nothing uh stopping him. Yeah, you can be a convicted felon and still run for president, still be elected. Um. Yeah, the qualifications for presidential candidate are there's not many of them. You know, you gotta be thirty five, you gotta be a natural born American citizen. Um. There's one other thing, right, I think there's three basic things.

I feel like I'm forgetting something, but yeah, you can be unity. What's that sanity? They should be yes, No, what fun would that be? Um no, uh no, but no, there's there's nothing preventing him from Uh And by the way, uh that that happens more than people realize. For example, Attorney General Ken Paxton in Texas. Uh, he's been elected to Attorney general while I don't know if he had been convicted of anything, but while under indictment, he run and was elected. And you know, his legal problems have never affected him, well until recently, of course it finally caught up with him.

But yeah, that happens more than people realize. Felons when office and you know, never the presidency before, but there's the first time for everything. We'll see. That's true. It just doesn't seem like it, you know, is a good representation of the United States. To let selons run for office, especially if Trump gets indicted in foul guilty and could be a president, makes no sense. Well, we're in a some sort of weird alternate universe, Karen, and we have been for a while. I think

that's true. One other thing is I was watching some of the news reporters in if Trump decides to do the debate, he can't do it, Penches. There is that not right because Tense might be a witness. Oh that's interesting. Um, No, I don't. I don't think it matters. They just can't. I mean, you raise an interesting point, because that was one of the things one of the instructions from the judge was he can't talk to any witnesses. But I don't know if he can't. I need to get some clarification on that, Karen, because I'm not sure.

Was it that he can't talk to any other witnesses period or he just can't talk about the case? Um? And if so, but even if he can't talk to any other witnesses period, he can still they can still both be at the debate, just not talk to each other. I mean, they might address each other directly during the debate, but no, no conversations away from that. Um, certainly, but I don't get in. Yeah, but the January six would be brought up in any debate. So if they're both there, one might be a witness and then Trump's the other one, then he can't answer anything, could he.

You're right, actually, Karen, You're right, that's a really good point. Yeah, January sixth is gonna come up during the debate. So yeah, You're right, Karen, that is a conundrum, isn't it. So I'm not sure. I mean, I mean, Trump's not going to be there anyway. He's already said he's not going to be there. And I will say this from a just a political standpoint, I think he's right to not want to show up to these debates. I mean, why should he. You know, he's he's up. Jeez, I saw a pole. He's at like thirty seven percent and I think De Santis is in the single digits and that's the next closest candidate.

He's got no reason to He has nothing to gain from showing up at these debates. He is so far ahead. And I'm still convinced he's absolutely going to be the nominee, that he's so far ahead that there's there is no reason for him to be there accepted ego. He has such a big ego. I can't see him not wanting to, like, you know, insult everybody up there. Yeah. True, And that was that's Chris Christie's argument. Two. That's that Chris Christie keeps saying that Trump will be there because of his ego. The thing is, though history tells us he's not afraid to skip out and then do something, do something else, like have a big rally while the debates going on.

He's done it a couple of times. He did it during the twenty sixteen primary season. If you remember, there was one of the Republican debates that he was not at. I don't remember what the dispute was, but he found something to be mad about and he said, I'm not showing up for this debate, and he didn't. And then, of course one of the presidential debates in twenty twenty, we usually get three, we only got two between Trump and Biden. There was one of them. He didn't like the rules, he said, I refused to participate.

He had a big rally instead, and the debate didn't happen. So he's not afraid to just skip it. That's true. That's true. He'll be on one of his news programs during the debate, is like giving his opinion. Yeah. I think what he'll do is he'll just have a big rally somewhere whenever there's a debate, He'll just have a big rally somewhere to kind of compete with it. And uh, and that'll be what he what he does. That'll be how he deals with it. Well, this will be interesting. I mean, the United States is like unbelievable.

I never thought it would come to this in my lifetime and it has. And I just it's unbelievable what's going on right now. It really is. I never would have imagined any of this either. It's it's wild. We live in interesting times, that's for sure. Well, we'll just cast you. I'll have to keep my fingers cross and he's found guilty of something anything that keeps the mind of the White House. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, Karen, keep your keep your fingers crossed. But h I don't know. I mean, you know.

And I said on the show, I think it was yesterday. I was saying, while all of these legal problems, it further reinforces my belief that he will be the nominee because the more legal trouble he's in there, his donations increase, his campaign donations, and he goes up in the polls, more and more Republicans support him. But it makes him it makes him more likely to be the nominee, but it also makes him a worse a worse general election candidate. But I was saying on the show earlier this week, at some point I said, all it's gonna take for him to win is for something to happen to Biden.

So and I don't even mean necessarily Biden starts falling down on a more regular basis or anything like that. But what if Biden, who's this about the same age as Mitch McConnell. What if Biden has a Mitch McConnell moment, say during a speech or during a debate, say he's debating Trump, and something like that happens to Biden, it's over. Trump wins if that happens. I absolutely believe that Trump wins. If what happened to Mitch McConnell happens to Bide in public, Trump wins this election. So oh yeah, easily.

That's why I say Biden is selfish. Biden absolutely should not be running for a second term. You know, we can we can talk about his record and the good and the bad and all of that, and we can argue about all of that. But whether you whether you like him don't like him, you have ambivalence. He should not be seeking a second term, and he is selfish for doing so. In my opinion, Yeah, I agree with you there. I don't think he should. And if it goes to the general election, and it is I was talking to Darryl.

If it goes between Trump and Biden, I'll vote for President Biden just because of who Trump is. But I wouldn't be voting for him if there was somebody else. Do you know what I mean? Did you hear what Bill Barr said this week? He said somebody asked him, you know, who would he vote for in twenty twenty, assuming Trump is the nominee, And he said, I'll jump off that bridge when I get to it. It's true, which is sad that you have to go into an election thinking, well, you're going to pick the lesser of the two evils, that's what it would come down to.

Well, and actually that's what it comes down to for a lot of people in a normal circumstance anyway. But it is shocking that here we are, we're actually getting a rematch nobody a rematch nobody wanted, but here we are, that's what we're getting. It's unreal, that's true. Unreal. Well, we'll just have to wait and see. And it was very nice speaking with you, Yes, it was nice speaking with you. Karen I appreciate the call. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Have good evening, all right you too, Bye bye, nice, all right, nice here from Karen.

It has been a while. Well listen, we're running a little bit late and we do need to get to this. We've got very, very exciting the world radio premiere of the new single from Jerry and the Scumbags. It's called Hipster Dipster. And there's this guy, Mattzo Covington on the base on this track, and interesting, I think he elevates the whole song. Actually, you know what's cool about this song though, this show, this very show is mentioned in the lyrics of the song, which I think is pretty cool. So we're gonna give this a listen the world radio premiere.

Then we're gonna show some love to our amazing sponsors, and then we'll be back with the rest of our number two numerodose of Matt Connerton Unleashed. So there is a plenty more to come on this historic day. But here it is the brand new single, Hipster Dipster from Jerry and the Scumbags, right here on Matt Connerton Unleashed. Jerry, I think it's time to put another song on we have to the people are asking for it. Miss the Bee. You know, I'll never I'll never not listen to what you have to say, you being my professional studio Pagosa of course, But is it we should we really put out another I mean that the album is coming out, like you said then one of the previous videos, it's coming out soon.

And do we do we really need to give them another taste of the album. I mean, it's my single. I'm demand not enough. People are asking for it. It's time they want another one. I've been reading the comments. People say that they want to hear more. But should I give them one now? Is a little tip bit, a little delicious muscle? Or should I just hit them all at once with the other eight or nine songs that we're working on give them one? No, Hipster Dipster. Absolutely, you think that I should do Hipster Dipster as the next song.

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That'll be great. She's um, you know, she's an author, and of course she's a Democrat running for the nomination, challenging Joe Biden for the nomination. And I remember i'd said this to Jenny. You know, of course she ran, and she ran in twenty twenty and you know she was always on the on the side of the debate stage. You know, you know how they have they try to put the front runner in the middle and kind of fan out from there, and you know, she was always on one end, you know, never had much of a chance, and I never thought that, you know, a lot of people there was a lot of criticism about her not really coming off that great during those debates.

But then I happen to see a couple of long form interviews that people had done with her on a couple of different podcasts, and I actually found her to be quite impressive. So you know, that debate format where you only get to speak for you know, especially if you're not one of the one of the hunt runners, you only get you don't get a lot of speaking time, and you know, it's hard to kind of make the most of it. I would, I would think to be up there and just knowing that you only have a minute or thirty seconds or forty five seconds to try to get out a thought or a policy position or respond to somebody else, and uh, you know, some people manage to make it work and some people don't.

And she seemed to struggle with that. But but also, you know, she's not a professional politician. But then I saw her being interviewed on a podcast and I said, Wow. She she really knows the issues, and she's very intelligent and very articulate when you you know, when you give her a chance to actually express herself. So the debate format was not great for her, but but in terms of an actual open discussion, she's very interesting and I look forward to look forward to having her here in studio. So she will be here on Friday, August eighteenth, and we look forward to that.

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I said, what, let's see, you haven't seen William in there in a while. He says, can he legally this is referring to Trump, of course, can he legally spend campaign money raised on the lawyers? That has been a question recently, William, because we learned that I guess about three out of every four dollars the Trump raises is going to pay his legal fees. Well, at least his lawyers are actually getting paid. Ask Rudy Giuliani about that. But I don't think there's anything illegal about it, not that I'm aware of.

I mean, campaign finance law is complicated. It's also poorly and loosely enforced. But I but I'd said this on the show. I think it was yesterday or the day before. I was saying too that I don't imagine that people who are donating to his campaign or his pack, I don't. I don't imagine they particularly mind. Because for Trump, all all the legal problems are really just a part of his campaign. It's actually a net benefit for him in terms of trying to win the nomination. Again, I don't think it helps him in the general election, but in terms of winning the nomination, because Trump has so effectively you know, he tells, he tells his supporters, you know, I'm doing this for you.

He even couched today today's events his arraignment as being quote a great honor, he said, because I'm doing it for you, and we're all in this together, and they're not really after me, they're after all of us and this and that, and his supporters really eat that up, and they just keep giving him more money. Every new indictment, every new arraignment, every new bit of legal trouble, his poll numbers go up within the Republican Party, thus assuring he will be the nominee as I'm absolutely convinced he will be, and he raises more money.

It's now you could say, though, it might not be in terms of business, and if you were to look at a profit and lost statement, it might not be the best business model. Yes, you're taking in all this money, so it looks like you've got a profitable enterprise. But and you're also the money is going right back out because it's going to legal fees. So is that really a sound business model. Probably not. But if it gets him to the nomination, which it will, then he just has to get to the presidency. And if he can get to the presidency, all the federal legal problems go away.

You know, he'll he'll he'll appoint an attorney general and say make this go away, and it goes away. Now that doesn't help him, say for example, in Georgia where he's got stay charges to deal with, or he will, but but it does it does help him federally certainly if he can, if he can just win the nomination, UH Texas. Former Congressman US Congressman from Texas Will Hurd said at an event over the weekend, he said Donald Trump is not and he got booed for this. Of course, he said, Donald Trump is not running to be president of the United States.

He's running to stay out of prison, which is probably the harshest and most critical thing I've heard. Will Heard say, you know, Chris Christie has been by far the most aggressive, and then Asa Hutchinson has been probably the second most aggressive. And then I put Will Heard at third, but Will heard saying that, I mean, that's that's almost Chris Christie level. And of course they booed him. They booed him as one would expect. Miriam banished in the chat room says, here is where cognitive dissonance is important.

They give him money and once they do it to then think he was a terrible person would cause them terrible discomfort, so they double down and love him more because they have to love him to have given him so much money. That makes sense. I mean, there's a lot we could say about the psychology of all this isn't there. But that does make sense, Mariam. But yeah, I don't think there's anything legally preventing him from spending campaign money on lawyers. I mean, listen, you, campaign money gets spent on lawyers anyway, right, I mean, every every campaign has to have attorneys anyway, right, because you know, you've got to wade through the mine field that can be campaign finance law, you know, when anyone actually bothers to enforce it.

And like I said, I cannot imagine. Let me put it this way. I've not heard of a single instance of anyone who has donated money to Trump actually complaining about the money going to legal fees. I think they're completely fine with it. Jenny says this was being reported earlier while Trump was in court. He has being released under the conditions. He can't speak. I'm sorry, he can't break any more laws federal or state. Must be in court for everything. He is not to talk to anyone about the case. Who is a witness?

Isaac Banks says Trump. Trump is truly going down for the ex president. By the way, he's already he's already left. I believe he's got back. He made some sort of a statement to the media brief one and then got back on the plane. Isaac Banks also says, as the Fonds, whoa

or how did the Fonds? He's saying, whoa something like that. Something I haven't watched Happy Days in decades. Uh, let's see. Jenny says Pence could very well be a witness. Oh. Absolutely, I think he's going to be. Uh, he's going to testify. He shows up a lot in the indictment. Melanie Liberty from the Great State of Vermont joins us and says, hey, guys. Isaac Banks says, by the way, Abort seven is watching you on Facebook Live. Melanie says, yeah, Pence definitely gets uncomfortable when things get well played.

Melanie Aboard seven says, good afternoon, hashtag Matt we say to you, and we are from Greensboro, North Carolina. We are good friends with Isaac Banks. Yes, I figured as much. Let's see. Jenny says he never talks about issues. Jenny says, Trump is speaking. Oh this is when he This must have been right before he got back on the plane. Trump speaking, very sad day for America, very sad driving through DC with decay and broken buildings. This is persecution, etc. We can't let this happen in America.

He spoke to the press briefly before boarding his plane. Jenny says, too. You know, she's been there a few times recently. I thought DC looked great and didn't see much homelessness at all, not like here. Tom Blanchard is in the chairman says, how can we haven't seen Milannia lately? She must be being well paid. Yeah, we haven't seen Milannia much, although there were long stretches during the Trump presidency where we didn't see much of Milania either. But I she never looked like she was comfortable with the whole thing.

Jenny says, probably living her best single styled life. Lol. They have separate bedrooms. Aboard seven apparently really enjoyed the new song from Jerry. Robinson says, oh yeah, we say we say that is rock and roll hashtag Matt Connerton, Jenny points out in the chat, now if Trump is elected he can part in federal charges pardon himself, but he can't do anything with New York or Georgia. I'm guessing Florida would give him a pardon, let's see. Mariam also says he needs to stop running his mouth referring to Trump.

I assume let's um talk a little bit about Ron De Santis, because I just saw something that really jumped out at me. You know, when people, oh, hello to a grim Rock who I see in the Facebook live chat, you know, there's a lot of violent rhetoric used, a lot of violent imagery that didn't used to be a thing that we see now in here now, and then I see this from the Hill dot com. Does Santis vows to start It's almost it's actually almost sort of comical because I can't believe him about to read this sentence.

But I think De Santis, you know, he's been trying to kind of adjust and recalibrate his campaign because a lot of big money donors are abandoning him. A lot of them are going to Tim Scott apparently to see this is from the Hill, DeSantis vows to start slitting throats on day one. Oh my goodness, what's he gonna go to Disney and start uh, you know, because he's got this vendetta against Disney and now he's mad at Annheuser Bush too. I think, right, that's who makes bud Light. He's mad at them too.

This is gonna start slitting throats. He's a he's a serious Maybe he's a serial killer. You know what I think he's gonna do. I think Governor de Santis, I think he's gonna put on a Garth Brooks mask and just go around. Uh that's what he said. Listen to this um um oops, here we go. Florida Governor Ron de Santis on Sunday said he would quote start slitting throats on day one unquote when it comes to taking on the deep state. DeSantis made the remarks at a barbecue campaign event in Ryan, New Hampshire, hosted by former Senator Scott Brown, Republican of Massachusetts.

To santa said, quote, We're going to have all of these deep state people, and you know, we are going to start slitting throats on day one unquote.

Listen, if you've heard me talk about Governor to Santas in the past, if you're a regular listener, you know I've I've used certain terms to describe the governor. I believe one of them is psychotic, because listen, if you use that kind of violent imagery when you speak, even though okay, he's probably just being colorful, he's probably he means hyperbolically, he's not literally literally going around going to go around slitting people's throats. We would hope, right, but that he would even speak that way I find troubling.

I wouldn't want to be alone in a room with somebody who talks about slitting people's throats, that's for sure, it says here. This is not the first time the Florida governor governor has used the terminology. Last month, during an interview with the right leaning outlet Real America's Voice, decantists use the expression when talking about how he would change the hierarchy in the Department of Defense if elected.

Quote, I think the idea that you take a flag officer or a general officer who recently retired and put them as Secretary of Defense, I think it is a mistake. You know, they may have to slit some throats, and it's a lot harder to do that if these are people that you've trained with in the past. Or that, you know, So we're going to have to have somebody out there, you know, be very firm, very strong, but they are going to make sure that we have the best people in the best positions and there's not going to be nest necessarily prior relationships that would cloud that judgment.

Unquote. Uh. DeSantis added later in the interview, I love killing No, I'm kidding. I added that that's that was a joke. No, But I mean, as somebody who speaks that way, you know, doesn't that kind of creepy out a little bit.

I mean, again, I get it, he's I'm sure he's using it as a figure of speech. I'm sure he's not actually walking around having murder fantasies, but I'm actually not sure, you know, I don't. I don't know. I don't usually communicate with people who speak that way, you know. I mean, if if let's say, for example, you're in a work situation and someone you you work with or someone you interact with professionally every day at your job, just one day in conversation they say something you like, Now, you know, I'm so mad at management here at this job.

I think it's about time I went and started slitting some throats. Um, what would you think? Would you think that that person might be a danger, would you be comfortable around that person, or would you just be like, oh, yeah, they just mean uh what do they mean? It sounds like they want to murder some people. I mean, come on, that's creepy to me. That is creepy to me. Yeah, he was here in New Hampshire. I mean maybe maybe he just thinks that that's how people talk in New Hampshire, that we talk about slitting throats.

I don't know, but that is Um, that is the second most popular candidate for the Republican nomination, Trump being first. I mean even Trump doesn't say like Trump. Trump has invoked violent imagery certainly. Uh, but uh, I've never even heard Trump use an expression like that. I mean maybe he has, but I don't know. I've never heard Trump say hey, you know, like when I'm when I mean, I certainly don't recall in in twenty sixteen, I'm saying something like yeah, you know I'm gonna be president and you know we're gonna slid Hillary Clinton's throat or something like that.

I mean, who talks that way? I don't trust anybody. I'm sorry. I don't feel comfortable around anybody who talks that way. That's uh, that's that's creepy. Am I wrong? Am I overreacting? You know, if if, if, if anyone thinks I'm overreacting, please tell me.

Let's see. Let me give the number we've got. Oh yeah, we've got about another twenty minutes or so. In today's show six three two five hs six seven six two five six seven. Oh my goodness, Polster Frank Lentz said something very troubling here. This is from mediae dot Com. A sullen Frank Luntz warns that conflicting realities portrayed on cable news is a sign of the beginning of the end for the US. I'm m I'm curious what he had to say here. Let's see, this is a Polster Republican Polster Frank Lentz during Political Strategist Frank Lentz.

Mister Lenz was on this show during the January sixth attack on Capitol Hill. Frank, thanks very much for joining us. Well, hopefully will not be as emotional today as I was that evening. Yeah, you you were emotional. It was an emotional evening. You were describing it as a disgrace. It was happening in the United States. You were angry at Donald Trump, who was then the president, and now here we are those two and a half years later, he's facing criminal charges, quite a few of them, this time over his role in the events that day.

So your thoughts, now, well, here's the problem. I sit up all night into the morning listening to our cable news networks describe what was happening, and you had one completely different scenario on one network than you had on another network or the third network. It's not that we disagree with solutions we or disagree with the problems. We don't even agree on the same facts anymore. And depending on where you get your news, it's frankly to affirm rather than inform. And I don't know how you address that.

I don't know how you bring people back together, and most importantly, with what has happened with the President Trump, I don't know how you instill accountability anymore. Can you see it, bluntly? Can you see a future or bright future for your country? And now let's put it the other way, Could this be the beginning of the end? And it's now conceivable it's the same thing I feel towards Ai. There's a ten percent likelihood that everything goes to hell. Last night, I'm listening on some of these news networks as people are swearing, as they're talking in a way that I've never heard Americans talk on television before.

Everything that I thought was impossible is now happening. So if you ask me, how bad can it get? I don't know, but I know it can be a lot worse. And I know that whatever happens here is coming to you all maybe five years down the road. And it's a very sad day. By the way. When he says this is coming to you all. That was on he was on a Canadian cable news program. Apparently I've never seen Frank so down in the down in the dumps. Rudy Giuliani apparently, Well, here, let's play this clip. This is from Rudy Giuliani.

This is from Media I Slam's desk, an angry rant against Trump indictment. You don't get to violate people's First Amendment rights. Smith. That's one of the arguments. One of the arguments in defense of Trump is that he can say whatever he wants to say, but actually we should talk about this for a moment, then we'll play the clip. He can say whatever he wants to say. So if he wants to go around so say, for example, the president of the United States at two thirty in the morning of election night, if he wants to go out and tell everybody this election was stolen from us.

We won this election and they stole it from us, even though as Chris Christie has pointed out, he had no way of knowing at two thirty in the morning the night of the election that, you know, how would he have even known that or had any evidence of that. But also that's not part of the indictment. They left that out. The indictment centers on other things, and as far as I can tell, really the crux of it is making the argument that he knew he had lost the election, but he made an effort to overturn the election illegally, you know, to kind of sum it up.

But it doesn't I don't think the indictment, unless I've misunderstood something, doesn't actually touch anything that any of Trump's public statements. And now Miriam points out in the chat room First Amendment does not cover inciting a riot. True, but you know, rights are not absolute, and incitement of violence is not covered your in terms of your First Amendment rights, incitement is not included. But then you have, you know, then you can get into these arguments about well, what constitutes inciting a riot and and so forth.

But that's not part of the indictment. And yet what I'm seeing now is it's almost as though some of the Trump defenders are trying to spin it as though it is a part of the indictment. They seem to be arguing from a point of well, this indictment is saying that he can't have his First Amendment rights. But that's not even part of the indictment. The it's about his efforts to overturn the twenty twenty election, including the fake electors plot and whatnot. But let's hear what Giuliani had to say.

What show was he on. Oh, he was on a Newsmax show called The Balance. Will play the clip here?

Oh, why don't have any audio? Oh? I know why? That is operator error. Here we go. So what do you what do you what do you say to Jack Smith? I mean, and again, I guess you have to be careful what you say. He still is the Special Investigator of the Special Prosecutor you know, yours in others future long ago. Stop being careful and I didn't worry. I don't worry about the Jack Smiths of this world. Is he crying? He sounds like he's crying. I've never heard what is going on there? Why is his voice wavering like that?

Did he suddenly have a shock of conscience where he feels badly about what he did to Ruby Freeman and her daughter? Because he should. He should feel very badly about that he ruined their lives over a lie. I'm kidding, of course, what I say. Does he feel badly about that? No? I am quite certain that he doesn't. I cannot imagine he's even capable of accepting responsibility. But let me back this up a little. He sounds like he's crying. Careful what you say? He still is the special investigator of the special prosecutor you know, I kind of you know yours in others future long ago.

I stop being careful, and I didn't worry. I don't worry about the Jack Smiths of this world. I have a chapter in my books called stand Up to Bullies. So here's what I say to Jack Smith after the Supreme Court throughout your case, which should should should have been a disgrace, and you should have gone and found another profession because you don't belong in this one. This one will be your legacy, violating the right of free speech of an American citizen. Never mind whether he was resident or not.

You could be anybody, You could be a homeless person. You don't get to violate people's first Amendments, right Smith, No matter who the hell you are, but no matter how sick you are with Trump derangement syndrome. And this isn't the first time you've acted like an unethical lawyer, it should be the last. What about what about his uh? I guess you'd call him his boss, Maybe not his boss, but with the guy who pointed him. What about Carlin? I say, I want to investigate his son in law who's making millions teaching kids how to change their agenda while the boss, I mean, it's all about money in the Biden administration.

While the boss is condemning parents as terrorists, the son in law is making millions going around to public schools and teaching kids they should question their agenda. Do you know that they don't cover it all? Crooked pos doesn't we've we've we've got I think I've they've covered that with you on the balanced quite a few years, and it's amazing. I don't even know what that's about. But he seems like I don't think I don't think he was crying, but I think he's uh. I think he's uh starting to slip away there a little bit.

He's not he's not the same. I think this has all taken a toll on him. Um. Maybe it's a Dorian Gray thing. I don't know. I think he's deteriorating, and I think that, uh, and you know, he might feel he won't say it publicly, of course, but uh, there's been a lot. At one point, there were a lot of stories going around about you know, Trump not you know, because Juliani wasn't successful in getting the election overturned, and Trump not paying him because Trump uh is known for not paying lawyers. Um.

But uh, wow, that was that was I'm not used to seeing Giuliani quite that way, Melanie says in the chat room. Doesn't make me a bad person if I hope he's crying. Um, no, no, I make no judgment. Shannon is on the line, High Shannon, Hello, Hello, Who was that just speaking? That was Rudy Giuliani. He sounds different. He sounds a little different, doesn't he. Yeah, yeah, I'd say he wasn't crying because it didn't sniffle once. Yeah, in the beginning, his voice was shaking so much it sounded like he was crying.

But uh, but no, that or almost is if he's starting maybe Parkinson's or something. Oh, why do you say that? Is that? Is that a symptom shaking one? I think so. I don't. I haven't been around enough people to notice. But or very nervous type. I don't know, it's just not He wasn't crying, that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I think in the beginning with her was him swallow. I don't know, but he doesn't. He doesn't look good. You know. I have video. You know you can't see it at home, obviously I have video here too.

And he doesn't look good. He looks like he's uh, he looks like he's at the end of a long road. I'll put it.

Well, you know, And I have no sympathy for the guy. I mean, I've I've talked about on the show what he did, what he did to those poll workers, by starting that lie about them, which then got repeated by Trump himself in that call with Brad Raffinsburger, which then became public, which then ruined their lives and put their safety in danger. You know, I have I have no sympathy for this man whatsoever. None. No, And I'm a pretty empathetic person, but I have no. I don't wish him any harm, just to be clear, but I also don't have any sympathy for him.

I mean, this guy, you know, once a revere and respected US attorney, a federal prosecutor, and then a mayor of New York City, and and he was you know, he was pretty you know strong, and on nine to eleven he was mayor and he and he was governor when nine to eleven happened, and you know, he was and he was very he projected a lot of optimism and confidence that the city would rebound, which is what New York needed at that point. And look at him now, the way, Well, he's deteriorated because he's um um screwed.

Well, he's just he's just this pathetic creature. He's uh, it's it's sad to see someone again. I don't have any sympathy for him, but it's sad to see someone fall that far and just turn into sting. That is also a possibility. What do you make is he started to sound like up growing too, But I'm not right, that's true. You know that's true. So I don't know. It's up of the air when someone catches your rdiances right, all right, curious mind, want to know. Have a good evening, Tony. Of course, all right, Shannon, thank you for the call.

I appreciate it. Yeah right, all right, bye bye, all right, always nice here from our friend Shannon. We should remind you because we're actually running out of time on today's program, of course, Tonight I will be on the Doctor Kevin Show. Immediately following this show, I do my monthly call into the Doctor Kevin Show on the Home Times Radio network. So and we'll be talking about today's events on there, I'm certain. And don't forget trivia night tonight at the hopknot tomorrow. On the program, we do have a musical guest.

We will not have a classic film review this week. Eric is our friend Eric Pilcher, my favorite Conservatives. He's got a lot going on, so he's gonna take this week off, but we do have a great musical guest skyping in, I believe from Texas called Pass the Ammunition. Well where else could they be? From them Texas with a name like at No, a really good metal band though, I'm looking forward to talking to them. So that will be, Uh, that will be. And tomorrow in the second hour, I'm laughing because Melanie's just made a comment in the chat room that's funny that I shan't read on the air, but that is quite humorous.

Yeah, So lots going on, lots going on, but also too, if you missed it earlier in the show, we made the announcement Jenny is confirmed. Democratic presidential candidate and author Mary Ann Williamson will be here with us live in studio on August eighteenth, So we look we look forward to that. Melanie says, big man baby tears. Yeah, I don't think he was. I didn't see any tears running down his face. The only thing I've ever seen running down Rudy Giuliani's face is that black goop. That time he was standing out in front of four Seasons Landscaping and lawn Care, rambling nonsense, sickly about all this evidence of election fraud that none of which was real.

Tom Blanchard says, I wonder if Trump told him what to do and say Jay fed says, Melanie is making you giggle a lot, and with stuff you can't say. Yes. That well, that is a common feature of the program. All right, we're gonna go. I'm going to actually play I'm gonna play the track one more time, the world radio premiere that we did today of the new song from Jerry and the Scumbags. The song is called Hipster Dipster. Actually, we'll just play the song this time, not the not the intro in the beginning.

Well, actually maybe we will. Maybe we will play the whole We'll play the intro as well. It is funny him talking to mister b his his producer. Yeah, we'll play the whole thing. But yeah, we gotta go. I have to get ready to call into the Doctor Kevin Show. Thank you all so much. If you miss any part of today's program, it will be up in just a little bit at WMH radio dot org and on my website Matt Connerton dot com. And it's been a been a historic day, that's for sure. All right, thanks everybody.

We'll talk to y'all A little bit later, Jerry, I think it's time to put another song on. We have to if the people are asking for it. Mister B. You know I'll never I'll never not listen to what you have to say, you being my professional studio paduoser, of course. But is it? Do we should we really put out another I mean that the album is coming out, like you said, the n one out of previous videos, it's coming out soon. Do we do we really need the gift them? I'm not the taste of the album. I mean, it's my single.

I'm demand not enough people are asking for it. It's time they want another one. I've been reading the comments. People say that they want to hear more. But should I give them one now? Is a little tip bit, a little delicious mussel? Or should I just hit them all at once with the other eight or nine songs that we're working on? Give them one now? Hipster Dipster? Absolutely, you think that I should do Hipster Dipster as the next song. That's one of the best on the album. You have to give him a taste, you know, mister B. I do believe you're right.

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