Matt Connarton Unleashed 9-25-25 w/Todd Ayer

Speaker 1: Get command, don't get supremely magxell coming. Hey, welcome everybody, Here we go. It is the podcast version AF, as we call it mcu AF. Matt Connorton unleashed the online only edition of the show today is Thursday's September twenty five, twenty twenty five, And joining me, of course, is Todd Air.

Speaker 2: Hello, Todd, Hey, how are you today? Matt?

Speaker 1: I say, of course, because I'm used to saying, you know, welcome to Hanging Left. So of course Todd is with me. So if for anyone who's for the uninitiated, if you're not familiar, Todd and I do a podcast together called Hanging Left, but today we were gonna do Jenny and I were going to do Matt Connorton unleashed a live podcast edition with Sarah Sarah Chatzunski, who I know is under the weather, but you and I Todd had a great conversation with Sarah on Hanging Left absolutely a number of weeks ago.

Speaker 1: And of course you're you're obviously involved in the campaign. Yeah, so it made sense for you to step in in her place today as her voice is not uh uh where it needs to be to do something like.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's the being out on the trail and and really you know, being that voice for people that don't have a voice. You know, sometimes you literally lose your voice. It takes a lot out of you. So, you know, we just we have her. Uh you know, she's a little under the weather. So I said to her, hey, you know, take a step back, you know, get your get yourself up and ready to go again so we can be at one hundred percent because she is a human after all.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we're we're getting into that time of year, cold and flu season and all that goes with it. Absolutely so, uh so what can you tell us about how things are going with the campaign? Well, and of course for people who don't know, we should also of course talk about the seat that Sarah is running for and uh you know, kind of give people some background.

Speaker 2: Sure, So we are running for the what will be the open seat in Congress, which is District one and currently held by Christopher Pappus of uh you know, a Manchester who owns uh The Puritan, and he is going to be moving over to the Senate and our goal is to actually uh you know, partner with him and and be in that role as the congressman, as well as with Senator Maggie Goodlander, who handles the district two.

Speaker 1: Okay, ye, so uh so why is uh, why is Sarah running for this? What? What is uh? What is the objective here?

Speaker 2: So? I think you know, the people really have spoken pretty loudly about the fact that they need some real humans in the race, you know, and just to add, you know, some reality and some sort of grounding effects to Congress currently as it is. So you know Sarah's goal. She does have a strong background in international relations, specifically with the Ukraine. She even helped broker a sixty four billion dollar deal to get the Ukraine the necessary funding to defend themselves as a sovereign state.

Speaker 2: So you know, her idea basically is that, you know, why not I have all this ability, I have the ability to build bridges, and certainly this is the time to build bridges and not burn them, and so why not work towards you know, and use my connections and the respect I've gotten Washington and internationally and and you know, defend people really and defend this country because we we you know, democracy is definitely it's it's it's it's not so stable, right, now, you know, I mean, we still have it intact, but you know, there are definitely challenges going on right now.

Speaker 2: So it's important that someone like Sarah comes out right from the start and says, look, you know, democracy is as an experiment. You know, it's a it's a messy experiment at times, but it's something you have to work for. Yeah, you can't take it for granted. And so she's standing up and showing people that, you know, she's basically practicing what she preaches, and she's out there defending democracy. So really, we're in this election and she's in this election. It's really not about us. It's really about everyone, and it's about you know, giving the people a voice again and in an authentic voice.

Speaker 2: That's important, and people that they can trust that truly have their back. I mean, I think people really want someone that they can trust that has their back, and Sarah we call it like to color Sarah c it's a little easier, but yeah, Sarah, Sarah's that person.

Speaker 1: I do want to mention for people who are streaming the show live. Obviously most people will get this in the podcast and the podcast feed for Matt connorton Unleashed, which you can find on all your major podcast platforms. But if you do happen to be streaming the show live on late Thursday afternoon early evening on September twenty fifth, uh, feel free to comment in the chat room. We do have the chat room open on your wherever you're watching the show, whether it be on YouTube or Facebook or wherever.

Speaker 1: We're even on Rumble. Believe it or not, Todd, I actually stream the show to Rumble. I know that that's that might might not be the most receptive audience, but but that's part of why I like to stream the show there and on LinkedIn as well. So yeah, yeah, so I try to try to make it as available as possible or perhaps unavoidable would be a better way of putting it.

Speaker 2: But well, what's great about you always that I really do appreciate and I'm sure share Sara would share these sentiments. You're really about equity and trying to keep a balance and letting everyone kind of have a voice. Yeah, so, I you know, I think it's important, Like, look, we're not going to fix the things that are happening in this country just remaining in an echo chamber and not listening to the other viable sides. Yeah, and not basically offering anybody that is pro democracy a seat at the table.

Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's important to to, you know, be very much open to that. So thank you for that. And Sarah is in the chat room and says, appreciate Todd speaking for me today while my voice is m I A. I love my team, Thank you, Sarah.

Speaker 2: This is this is this is kind of reversal. Right, my voice was the one that was challenged for god knows how long.

Speaker 1: So we should talk about you and again, listeners of the Hanging Left podcast obviously are already very familiar with you, Todd. But for for people who are not familiar with that show who might not know you, what is what is your role in the campaign and and how did you how did this come about? Where where you're working with Sarah?

Speaker 2: Sure, Matt, No, that's a good question. So basically I am her political director. Not basically I am her political director. So what that kind of means is it's kind of taken on, you know, it's an organic position, so it kind of takes on things that they need it. But within the field area anyway, I'm her right hand person. Also I helped manage the field team and ultimately will help her manage with the field team as sorry as the field team, we will all help manage the hopefully the army of volunteers that we acquire.

Speaker 2: Hopefully, though, I mean a lot of people seem to already be interested. It's just a matter of getting that aspect of the campaign up and running.

Speaker 1: So as you do this, uh, what what are you seeing out there on the on the campaign trail? I mean, you know, when when you're able to obviously you know, cold and flu season has already started. But but but thatt aside, I mean what and by the way, this might this might contribute to people being sick because obviously campaigning is hard work, right for sure, probably nobody, nobody involved in this endeavor, including Sarah herself. I'm sure is is getting enough rest and that's that just comes with it, right, But but it's also worth it, of course to make that sacrifice.

Speaker 1: But but what's it been like so far?

Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's it's it's a lot of work, absolutely, And why I you know, am definitely focused on this is because I guess I feel like, you know, all of us have roles to play really in the world in general. But I think that if you've been given a gift, whether that's the gift of the ability to speak, the ability to create coalitions and to help mobilize people, and you've been given and you have charisma, and you have the and also you happen to have contacts and the ears of people that very few people have, the ears of I almost think it's it's imperative and you're compelled to do what it takes in this moment to do what you can to protect this country.

Speaker 2: I mean, I would almost feel guilty if I hadn't joined the campaign. And the thing about Sarah is that we have the same philosophy, right, and that's that basically we understand the importance of having a universal vision which sort of takes into account the people as well as the establishment as well as like the you know, both the the very left side of the establishment all the way to the more center side and even you know, some more pragmatic conservatives and hold more of like ideally like like a the conversation circle and and you know gets you know, sometimes literally, sometimes figuratively, but just be out there and open and let people know that, you know, to me, I don't know.

Speaker 2: I couldn't really do anything else in the moment. Honestly, I think that like I do happen, oh and so to I guess take a deeper dive into that. Myself, my colleague Jason who's her scheduler, as well as a member of the field staff, and then Andrew who is also field staff and our photographer as well as now myself and Andrew are now running the social media part of it. You know, all of us and even Sarah herself, we come from an activism world. We come from a activist world. We come from a nonprofit world.

Speaker 2: We come from you know, amongst the people, but some of us, and specifically myself and Sarah, we also have been lucky enough and have the privilege of knowing some people that call the shots. So I think that what the people want right now is people that are fighting for them and are having an honest conversation with the people and the establishment and not shunning them and not beating them up, because I don't think that's going to get us anywhere, but definitely holding them to accountability and saying you know, good enough isn't good enough, and especially when you know the threats we're facing right now are internal and serious and this is not time to like, you know, take your foot off the pedal.

Speaker 2: I mean, you really got to hit it hard.

Speaker 1: Well, how hard is that to navigate? I mean maybe this is getting a little inside baseball, but but like you, like you said, I mean as far as because yeah, you kind of have to fight. It's almost like in my mind, and again I'm speaking from the perspective of I've only ever had a lot of opinions and done a lot of bloviating and commenting on politics. I've never worked for a campaign. I've certainly never run for office. So I'm very much asking this question from the outside because I am on the outside in that sense.

Speaker 1: But you're you kind of it's almost like if this were a war, you'd be fighting on two fronts, right, because you've got ultimately, you know, you're you're fighting for democracy, right, and you're you're fighting against the fascism that we're seeing in all of that, right. So so you've got that fight. But before you even get to that fight, you've also got the fight of how do you break through when the establishment of the Democratic Party has such a hold on everything you know, and they you know, everyone loves an underdog, except for those who are directly threatened by the underdog.

Speaker 2: Right, although you know, that's an interesting point you bring up, and I think that there's a little bit of a confusion there. You know, it's it's not the time for us to be divided, and so I think that because some of us are I guess lucky or maybe unlucky depending on your perspective to have the ears of both the centrist establishment as well as the very left progressive. You know, that allows us to rally the people, but honestly, we're not. I don't see it as like fighting two fronts. I see it as giving people permission to stand up.

Speaker 2: And Sarah sees it the same way. I mean, people are just afraid. They're not they're not not wanting to fight. Yeah, I mean there's that people don't know how to People don't know what works and what doesn't work. And if you're a member of the establishment, and I can only speak I think to the New Hampshire establishment, but if you're a member of that establishment, I think we all like no one in New Hampshire. As as Papas said very recently in a speech, we are not a pro dictator state. No, I mean the whole Live for or Die is all about independence.

Speaker 2: So yeah, right, so you can grab that fire for independence and which just segues very nicely into democracy and and get everybody on the same page, because like, you know, yes, okay, there's the Democrats of the Republicans, but there's also the big D, which is democracy, and that's what we're all fighting for against the other big D, which is dictatorship. You know, that's what we're fighting against. And most people that you know, look, only about thirty percent of this population. And that's so thirty percent will follow him, I would say, once it's all said and done, and then within that thirty percent, conservatively fifteen percent but probably closer to like five percent would benefit from this power grab.

Speaker 2: You know, a vast majority of even the people following him, he's just lying to them and feeding them their breads and circuses. But the end of the day, his plan is you know, their disposal too to him. Oh so it's just important, you know, Look, we can't flip everyone, right, And it's really it's it's kind of like this. This is how I look at it, and I think it's how Sarah would probably say it too. It just so happens. The Democratic Party right now is the party that's standing up for people. But we support everyone that stands up for people.

Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, we you know, we welcome open dialogue and a little bit of you know, descent amongst each other in a positive, healthy way. Yeah, that's what democracies about.

Speaker 1: Sarah did stay in the chow room. It's not the time to be divided either. We are all in this together.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think matt were very lucky because New England and definitely New Hampshire it's one of those places that you know, for the longest time prior to pre Maga, I grew up my whole life not knowing people as Democrat or Republican or independent. I mean most people actually call themselves independent. And it wasn't a dirty word either because it didn't necessarily mean like this quase like hiding of like libertarian, which was a quase hiding of mega. It wasn't at.

Speaker 1: All, especially especially in New Hampshire by the way, as an unusually high number of duties.

Speaker 2: I mean, people were generally independent and people were generally not wanting to get involved in people's personal business, you know. I mean the arguments typically were just like some variations on fiscal responsibility and that kind of thing, and where do we spend the money? Where don't we spend the money? But you know, I'd never met anyone prior to this current situation that wanted to tear everything down and burn it all down and have some sort of like you know, sci Fi dictatorship going right right.

Speaker 1: By the way, Jenny is also in the chat room and says, hello, Hi, Jenny, how are you. She wanted to be with us, but she's also taking a break. So okay, yeah, we all need you know, we all need uh, we all need to unplug sometimes, right, We gotta yet to think think about think about our health, which I don't always you know, I also am am a victim to uh, you know, thinking I'm Superman and.

Speaker 2: Oh myself included. You know, it's difficult right now because Sarah is basically asked to be in some respects, She's asked a kind of It's like a human being asked to play Wonder Woman, just like maybe we're people trying to be Superman. But you're right, the realities were not superheroes. We don't have superpowers, and so we got to do what we got to do.

Speaker 1: Right, right exactly. So what are you hearing, you know, out on the campaign trail, like, what are you what are you hearing from?

Speaker 2: This? Actually pretty pleasantly surprising. I mean, I think most people so it's a good time to be outside the system and it's a good time to be I would say a little more progressive of center like like center like still understand. I would call it a pragmatic progressive because you know, progress in the sense that a lowercase P progress where you support change and you support moving forward and you support so not a radicalized definition of progressive like you know, the alt right has tried to

Speaker 2: mark the Democratic Party with progressive right as in the but it's not. It's about change, right, so you know. But at the end of the day, who really it doesn't again, it doesn't matter and there will be some some differences absolutely, but you know, the Democratic Party is a big tent party and there is room for everyone. Uh. The only I would say non negotiable is democracy. I mean, it's just not negotiable, well said uh.

Speaker 1: Sarah also said can't save the world if you don't get any sleep. We're a team for a reason. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2: Although very true.

Speaker 1: Although my my caffeine addiction might disagree. But yeah, but my caffeine addiction might kill me eventually. I don't know.

Speaker 2: But sometimes you're just for you know, let me tell you from someone that knows, like, you know, look at you know the last time I was doing that whole voice thing. Yeah, I got my if I've got my button gear and got tested for you know, strap and treated it right away. Yeah, I would have had a voice a lot sooner. Right, Sometimes you have to give in, you know, as much as you don't want to.

Speaker 1: That is that, That is absolutely true. Absolutely none of.

Speaker 2: Us are good at fifty percent, right, Like, this is not a fifty percent level fight, So were better to say, you know what, we can't give one hundred percent or even seventy five percent right now, So we're going to have to unplug for a few even for a few days, yeah, because then we can come back in one hundred percent again.

Speaker 1: Right, right? Do you you know do you want to talk about specific Uh oh, actually, let me read this comment. Sarah made another comment and then this this might be a good jumping off point for what I was about to ask as a matter of fact, she said, we're hearing a lot of people that want policy that actually makes sense. We want change, but not this change. People are concerned and ready to step into help how they can. So I was and I was about to ask you about about policy as a matter of fact.

Speaker 2: So, yeah, I think this is the one thing I think also that's helping bring us all together. Whether you talk to Pappus, good Lander, Sarah, even some of our opponents in this race. You know, I would say the key word is affordability, and then that is literally partnered in parallel to human rights. So even if you have a very socially conscious focus or you have a very economically focused the two cannot exist in a vacuum. They both need each other. So lack of affordability means lack of human rights, and lack of human rights means people don't get the same level of resources and access to resources.

Speaker 1: Well, there's the three basic needs, right, and then there's a hierarchy of needs which is a little deeper about the three basic needs, food, clothing, and shelter. So you know, if people can't afford food, and they can't afford clothing and they can't afford housing, then yeah, then then they don't have they don't have rights and you know, basic human rights and dignity and all of that right.

Speaker 2: And so here's our goal. Our goal is to basically at least meet that baseline and make sure they can have all of those things right and they our rights, not privileges. And then once we do that, then we can go in and really start to like you know, organically grow the United States and the democracy that we want. And there's going to be some exchange of ideas and there's going to be some arguments, and there's going to be you know, a level of compromise. But compromise until this whole situation was not necessarily dirty word.

Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, it's almost the necessity.

Speaker 1: Now in terms of in terms of policy. And you know, you use out that word a very important word, affordability, which is something that people are very concerned about. I don't know, like, I don't know how into the weeds you want to get, because I want to know. I want to well, I want to know more, but I also I want to be conscious of I'm sure you don't want to get out too far ahead of Sarah and shall say about anything. So I want to know, but I also understand and respect that you know, there's only so far you can go as far as specific policy.

Speaker 1: Sure, but here's what you can tell us.

Speaker 2: But the other interesting thing about this, Matt, is that like our policies, I don't know how the other campaigns are doing it. But even our policies we do in like a you know, a forum type environment. So typically what we do, it's it's primarily I would say myself and Jason and then also her consultant Anthony, we kind of craft what we think are are good policies for you know, that makes sense that and then also are winning policies, you know, and then she will go through it and she will make sure that it's you know, sarahfied like it works for Sarah right, which is important.

Speaker 2: I mean, authenticity is super important. So I don't know, do that answer your question? So I guess back in the whole thing, what do you want to know exactly about the like what policies or what would.

Speaker 1: You Well, so when we're talking about affordability, like what are what are what are some of the ideas because obviously affordable when we say affordability. You know, we we mean we're talking about inflation, we're talking about housing, which you know is part of inflation, but obviously that there's also separate issues with housing. I mean, are are we talking about I heard an idea floated recently that I would support, you know, banning private equity, for example, from buying residential housing.

Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, are are there things like that? I mean, any anything in you can give us?

Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, absolutely for sure. So I don't know her her stand exactly on the private equity equity side of things. I do know that we support, you know, a universal health care system. I do know that we support fair and equitable housing. The keyword of equity versus the quality, meaning everything is brought up to a baseline that works for everyone where they're at. So meeting people where they're as opposed to like this, no matter what the formula is, there isn't one size fit's all right, So you have to be open to adaptive policies and policies that kind of which is what makes doing policies so challenging.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's one of the things that And again speaking as an outsider who's never been involved in a campaign. I would imagine that that's one of the most challenging parts because you have to you have to craft policy that makes sense, that addresses the problems, but also that can be communicated and articulated to the to the voters or prospective voters, and then if you win policy that you can follow through on because you'll be held to count the next time you run. So I would imagine that that's one of the most absolutely, one of the most challenging parts of this.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, although I think that it's there's an interesting situation going on here, that's it what people don't realize, And I think we didn't realize this. I mean, I happened to have worked for the directly for the Harris campaign, and I think, sorry, hold on, yeah, no worries one of the biggest mistakes that we made. And that's why I now work with a actual campaign and not for the DNC directly, because there's a lot more autonomy and a lot more ability to like be yourself. But anyway, so I'd rather work with establishment rather than be part of the establishment.

Speaker 2: Sure, sure, but anyway, what was he saying? Oh, so, I think it's kind of going back to your analogy of Maslow's higherarchy of needs, right, I think it's unfair to ask people that haven't reached levels one and two, which is you know, subsistence slash baseline survival and then just living to then sit and pontificate about these higher level things that myself and say our own Jason and all the rest of us political junkies talk about. Right. And it's also sort of silly and kind of naive to think that we can convince people on these like abstract, sort of like idealistic things to support us.

Speaker 2: But but the but the other side of that coin is that if you give people those things and you raise their baseline, ay, they're more open to social progressive change and be they're not threatened by it because you're not saying we're gonna take this away to do this, right, You're providing them a good baseline and we're we're we want more than basics. And that's the other problem too. I mean, up to this point, I think a lot of people, certainly the current leadership, certain current administration, they're giving people just like baseline survival or a little bit better.

Speaker 2: It's like baseline survival with a package that looks a little nicer, but the day it's just gilded and it really is just baseline survival, you know. In that way, we like to look at like some European models and things like that, where people, you know, actually there their basic needs, they're met and then even some of their wants, right Like, you know, it's it's not about oh my god, like we can get by, It's about we all deserve a quality of living.

Speaker 1: Right right. Uh. Sarah commented in the chat room to again, regarding policy, we are working with community leaders to put together policy that's not pie in the sky, things that actually makes sense and can be put into action to make a difference.

Speaker 2: Yeah. That that's a good point that she brings up, and I'm sorry I should have remembered that too as well. Yeah, how we're formulating our policy is sitting down with the experts. So like I'm not going to sit down, and Sarah's not going to sit down, although she happens to be in education, so maybe that's not a great example. Well, let's say, like the current CALF and Human Services secretary, we're not about to go tell doctors how they should be handling a pandemic, right or like, we're not going to write policies that ignore medical and scientific evidence.

Speaker 2: We're going to listen to the experts. We're going to look at the studies, and then we're going to base policies on those things.

Speaker 1: Right now, that that makes sense.

Speaker 2: You know? And if we're making policies about changing and getting police and policing in a better place, then we're going to talk to both sides. We're going to talk to this to the people and the communities that feel over policed or whatever it is and they feel like there's a police biased and the police activists. But we're also going to talk to the police themselves and ask them, like, you know, how can we build a bridge? See, it's really all about building bridges. It's not about like like let's pick one side and really run hard at that one side.

Speaker 1: Right right?

Speaker 2: Does that make sense? No?

Speaker 1: It does? It does. What is is there anything that's really surprised you again, in terms of being out on the campaign trail and talking to people, Anything that that maybe people are concerned with that you didn't expect, or maybe that you didn't expect quite so much, or oh yeah, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest I mean, as far as Maslows hierarchy of needs go, I've been very lucky, and I've been around a lot of people that are very lucky and frankly relatively privileged to live in that like third rum. So I can sit around and self actualize and I can think about the big picture, macro ways to make the world a better place. And what shocked me is that because I have come from the environment that I've come from, even young people around me live still relatively privileged you know, life lives, so they were able to sort of like, then we're you're able to sort of save the world when all your basic needs are met and then more than met, you know, like right.

Speaker 2: So I think I think it's it's really getting that pragmatism down that even amongst the activists there still is a root line in act in in pragmatism. But then again, it's actually not shocking because then when you talk to the older, more established people, they tend to fall or not even ai the older, but people are just more established and more comfortable, then they do tend to go to the save democracy side. So I think the thing that's very interesting is that I think a like a bilateral message or a multi lateral message, A multim you know, directional message is so much more effective and more realistic than certainly that a singular message.

Speaker 2: So you know, it's looking at all those variables. But it's also what I love is there's this little game out there. It's like, you know, I like to say green is very green, you know, because I'm very environmental, right, But rather than it and argue, you know, until you're out of breath about saving the whales, which is important, there's actually arguments out there as to how saving the whales creates this whole like biodiversity and biosystem within the ocean that supports the food chains that supports like like ocean agricul like all this amazing stuff.

Speaker 2: Yeah, we're so much more interconnected even with other species than we think we are, right, absolutely, and I think that's so important. So we can almost create the same eco system within politics. I mean, we can have a like a multi ecosystem, and I think that that's something Sarah really seems to support too, is this idea. I mean, she works in defense and she works in international relations, so you absolutely are going to be talking to some Republicans And although the maga people would like us to feel like, you know, and when I mean the mag of people, I mean specifically the the mad King and his his his nutty court gesters, you know, the administration itself, not that not even necessarily all the people that even voted for him, because of course that's not the case.

Speaker 2: But these you know, they they don't understand that it's really not this this voice that he's it's not the narrative he's spinning. Like we're a lot more like than we think. Most people want the same things, and most people will actually go for it if you tell them that's what you're gonna fight for.

Speaker 1: Yeah, he he spends it. Uh, the mad King as you refer to him as, uh, you know, from all.

Speaker 2: He's kind of mad. I mean, this is all this is, this is nuts.

Speaker 1: Yeah. He puts everything, you know, from a presentative, from a position of division and and and fear, very fear. You know that the immigrants are taking you know, the migrants are taking all your jobs and all that kind of stuff, and you know, just you know.

Speaker 2: It's also very verbose, and it's very like out of like like out of the world, out of worldliness. It's like he wants to create this like this echo chamber that is like, you know, the apocalypse, almost like he's rescuing us from the apocalypse, which is not what he's doing at all, If anything, he's But here's the good news. He's a lot more and his administration is a lot more fragmented and a lot more disjointed than people think. I mean, the most power people have or the most powerful people, and their biggest weapon is convincing you they have a lot of power.

Speaker 2: So you realize that they don't have as much power as we think they do. You're disarming them right there.

Speaker 1: Well, he did say only he can how did he put it? I don't know, only he can do it or only he can say. Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 2: The problem with that mindset is even people amongst his leadership don't agree with that now and they're starting to voice that. So he's got a power grab within his power structure. That's never good.

Speaker 1: Right, Well, so we can now.

Speaker 2: Win by actually unifying and then just like exposing and not even exposing them as individuals and their characters because everybody knows it's buffoonery, like we're gonna not get you where by constantly saying, you know, Trump's a clown. Hences the clown, they're all pre you know, that's not going to how we're going to win votes. We're gonna win votes by saying, look, you know, this is what he's doing to you know, immigrant populations. This is how it's affecting red and blue states in the areas of agriculture and the building into

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