Matt Connarton Unleashed: Jon Pousette-Dart

0:00 Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody. This is Matt Connorton Unleashed. We are

0:03 Speaker 1: live from the studios of WM and H on this

0:06 Speaker 1: Saturday morning. You might be hearing Amnesia by John Possett

0:11 Speaker 1: Dart and we have him, I believe on the phone

0:13 Speaker 1: with us.

0:14 Speaker 2: John. Is that you, Hey man, how are you doing?

0:17 Speaker 1: Good? Good, Welcome to the show. It's great to speak

0:20 Speaker 1: with you. I kind of went down the rabbit hole

0:23 Speaker 1: last night with your music. Obviously I've always been aware

0:26 Speaker 1: of you, but it's been a long time since I

0:28 Speaker 1: listened to any of your well, first of all, since

0:32 Speaker 1: any Posset Dart band. So that was fun kind of

0:35 Speaker 1: going back and listening to a lot of that stuff.

0:37 Speaker 1: And I also listen to some of your more recent

0:39 Speaker 1: solo material. And I have to say, I really really

0:42 Speaker 1: love a lot of what you're doing. And I'm excited

0:45 Speaker 1: that you're coming to Manchester on the thirteenth to play

0:48 Speaker 1: at the Rex Theater.

0:50 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the Rex is a really nice room. We

0:52 Speaker 2: love coming back here.

0:54 Speaker 1: Have you played there quite a bit over the years

0:58 Speaker 1: We have played.

0:58 Speaker 2: Yes, we have, we have. And the new end it's

1:01 Speaker 2: kind of you know, it's gone to a couple of

1:02 Speaker 2: changes and they've really fixed it up nice now and

1:05 Speaker 2: it's just a really really great listening room. I mean,

1:08 Speaker 2: people really and the audiences are really good and the

1:11 Speaker 2: whole staff who run it are really great folks. So's

1:13 Speaker 2: it's excellent. We yes, we love coming there.

1:16 Speaker 1: Outstanding. Now are you doing? How big of a tour

1:19 Speaker 1: is this? Are you doing quite a few dates?

1:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, this September. We're jumping around quite a bit all

1:26 Speaker 2: through September. It gets quiets down after September, but we're

1:28 Speaker 2: all over We're doing you know, New Hampshire, Massachusets, Maine, Connecticut.

1:33 Speaker 2: We're moving around quite a bit this month, so that's good.

1:37 Speaker 2: And it's myself and Jim Chaplain, who's I've been playing

1:40 Speaker 2: with now for twenty five years, and we're doing I've

1:43 Speaker 2: been really focusing on kind of coming back to the

1:45 Speaker 2: roots of the songs duo, which I really like and

1:48 Speaker 2: it really brings in people close to the to the

1:51 Speaker 2: songs and the music. So we're really enjoying working, you know,

1:55 Speaker 2: in this very kind of intimate environment. So it's really great.

1:58 Speaker 2: And Jim and I have been playing together for a

1:59 Speaker 2: long long time, so it's a very we're very tight.

2:02 Speaker 2: It's like he's a brother, you know.

2:04 Speaker 1: Excellent. Now, Jim was not a member of Who's That

2:07 Speaker 1: Dart Band?

2:07 Speaker 2: Correct, not the original band, Okay, but he's been a

2:11 Speaker 2: member of the band for twenty five years because the band,

2:14 Speaker 2: original band broke up quite quite a way's back. But

2:17 Speaker 2: Jim and I've been playing together now for over twenty

2:20 Speaker 2: five years, and in the band when we were working

2:22 Speaker 2: with the band. But these days we've been as I mentioned,

2:26 Speaker 2: we're focusing more on just doing a I've been focusing

2:29 Speaker 2: on the acoustic aspect of it just because I really

2:31 Speaker 2: enjoy it. And but Jim has been is well known.

2:34 Speaker 2: I mean, he's I don't know how if you remember

2:37 Speaker 2: n RBQ and he old but he plays with Al Anderson,

2:40 Speaker 2: who's like one of my favorite guitar players and songwriters.

2:43 Speaker 2: Oh and so we've known each other for a long

2:46 Speaker 2: long time and he's he's he's he's just great.

2:50 Speaker 1: So now on this tour, is it just the two

2:52 Speaker 1: of you? You're just doing it as a duo? Yeah, okay, okay,

2:58 Speaker 1: now you said so do you prefer that? I mean,

3:02 Speaker 1: is he playing with you the entire set?

3:06 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, we do a duo with the whole show.

3:08 Speaker 2: Is duo. Oh very good, so so, you know, I

3:11 Speaker 2: and allows me to kind of really open up and

3:13 Speaker 2: carry down the root of the songs and then and

3:16 Speaker 2: we we trade off. It's like we're very it's very

3:18 Speaker 2: seamless how it's kind of worked out together. But but

3:21 Speaker 2: it's it's just uh, it's just kind of nice feel

3:24 Speaker 2: and it brings the songs right to the root of

3:26 Speaker 2: where they are. So it's very uh, you know, you

3:28 Speaker 2: really get the core of what it brings. And it

3:30 Speaker 2: also I find, you know, having done both, I like

3:34 Speaker 2: enjoy the band, but when you're playing with the band,

3:36 Speaker 2: it kind of pushes it, you know, it puts you, what,

3:38 Speaker 2: it's a little further away from you, whereas when you're

3:40 Speaker 2: acoustic in this setting, it really allows an intimacy. It

3:43 Speaker 2: allows the audience to come up really kind of get

3:45 Speaker 2: in close and bring the songs up very in a

3:49 Speaker 2: very kind of warm way. So I really enjoy it. Uh.

3:52 Speaker 1: Do you ever play with a full band at this

3:54 Speaker 1: point or do you always do? I mean, since Poos

3:58 Speaker 1: that Dart band broke up? How long was that band together?

4:03 Speaker 1: Not that long?

4:04 Speaker 2: Right, Well, we were together in the seventies and into

4:09 Speaker 2: the early eighties, and the industry really kind of took

4:12 Speaker 2: a big shift at that point, and that's when we

4:16 Speaker 2: left Capital and We've done We've got a long tour

4:20 Speaker 2: and then disbanded after this very long tour across the country,

4:24 Speaker 2: and the whole nature of radio and record really went

4:28 Speaker 2: through a shift. It was kind of during the period

4:30 Speaker 2: when the disco and techno stuff really hit the country, yep.

4:36 Speaker 2: And and when we were with Capital at that point,

4:40 Speaker 2: there was a band called the Nac that turned in

4:41 Speaker 2: my Sharona, and the labels really just changed their whole

4:46 Speaker 2: emphasis and direction and so a lot of rosters really

4:50 Speaker 2: shifted around that period of time, and so it was

4:53 Speaker 2: almost kind of the end of an era. And it

4:55 Speaker 2: wasn't really until kind of the beginning of the nineties

4:59 Speaker 2: when when female artists kind of came back into the

5:02 Speaker 2: picture that I felt like kind of really kind of reconnecting.

5:06 Speaker 2: And it was because it was it was the hole

5:07 Speaker 2: that hole here in the eighties was a kind of

5:09 Speaker 2: a bizarre period of time musically.

5:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. Uh, A lot of people when they

5:16 Speaker 1: go through that, I just know from interviewing people when

5:19 Speaker 1: they go through something like that where they've been on

5:21 Speaker 1: a major label, and then you know it kind of

5:24 Speaker 1: like you said, there's a shift, right, and then they

5:26 Speaker 1: get kind of at the end of it, they're kind

5:28 Speaker 1: of exhausted by it all, and they and they step

5:31 Speaker 1: away entirely. And it sounds like, so did you take

5:34 Speaker 1: a break. It sounds like you took a bit of

5:35 Speaker 1: a break after that.

5:38 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we did. I mean the whole there was

5:40 Speaker 2: a big shift in terms of the whole picture. In

5:42 Speaker 2: other words, I left, we left capital, I left management,

5:47 Speaker 2: and at that point, I actually I moved. I moved

5:51 Speaker 2: to a different area, and then I moved from I

5:53 Speaker 2: lived in Rockport at the end of the seventies. Yeah,

5:56 Speaker 2: and then I moved to New York and started doing

5:59 Speaker 2: when the band broke up, and I started doing a

6:01 Speaker 2: lot of session work, and so I got involved with

6:03 Speaker 2: singing and doing a lot of session work in the city,

6:05 Speaker 2: which kind of kept me very active, but in a

6:07 Speaker 2: kind of a different vein It was more more revolving

6:10 Speaker 2: around television and different things that were and writing for

6:15 Speaker 2: different venues rather than just record and so I got

6:18 Speaker 2: really involved in that through the eighties, which was great

6:21 Speaker 2: because I worked with a ton of people and I

6:23 Speaker 2: had a lot of and I actually had a lot

6:25 Speaker 2: of different bands then, but there were different players. It

6:27 Speaker 2: was a bunch of guys playing, you know, it was

6:31 Speaker 2: it was It wasn't the original band, but the original band,

6:35 Speaker 2: all the original guys, Troy and Curtis and I are

6:37 Speaker 2: all in touch, like we speak to each other regularly,

6:40 Speaker 2: and we're all still you know, everybody's kind of gone

6:42 Speaker 2: off in different directions as happens, you know, because really

6:46 Speaker 2: when you're with a band like we were, we were

6:48 Speaker 2: a family. I mean, it's like being married. You know,

6:50 Speaker 2: it's like a marriage, you know, and when the marriage

6:52 Speaker 2: breaks up, you know, you everybody kind of goes off

6:55 Speaker 2: in different directions. But we're still very very close, and

6:58 Speaker 2: I love those guys yearly, and we stayed very much

7:01 Speaker 2: in touch.

7:01 Speaker 1: That's really good to hear, because, as you know, so

7:04 Speaker 1: often that's not the outcome, you know, very very often

7:09 Speaker 1: it's it's, you know, people don't talk to each other anymore.

7:13 Speaker 1: There's there's some sort of weird grudge between musicians wh've

7:16 Speaker 1: been in a man.

7:17 Speaker 2: That wasn't the case. Yeah, that wasn't the case with us,

7:20 Speaker 2: because it was more just the business that changed. It,

7:22 Speaker 2: wasn't it wasn't. It wasn't interpersonal. It was more just, uh,

7:25 Speaker 2: you know, we had really worked hard and we you know,

7:28 Speaker 2: we broke the top forty and then it didn't didn't.

7:30 Speaker 2: You know, it's just for a number of reasons. There

7:33 Speaker 2: were a lot of decisions that were made that were

7:35 Speaker 2: kind of speculative that we weren't very happy about, choice

7:38 Speaker 2: of singles and the directions that the labels, you know,

7:40 Speaker 2: chose that kind of affected the whole picture, and so

7:44 Speaker 2: there was a little bit of disenfranchisement with the kind

7:46 Speaker 2: of what had happened was on that level. Because the

7:49 Speaker 2: record business is such a wacky business. People have no

7:52 Speaker 2: idea how crazy the record business was back then. Yeah,

7:55 Speaker 2: so it was like really a different animal, you know. Yeah.

7:58 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still pretty crazy in a lot of ways.

8:01 Speaker 1: We talk about it a lot on this program. But

8:05 Speaker 1: so when you got back in so that was during

8:08 Speaker 1: the nineties when you started really kind of focusing on

8:10 Speaker 1: your solo career and playing out and all of that.

8:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what yeah, Yes, what happened is I was

8:17 Speaker 2: actually in New York and we were playing the Loan

8:19 Speaker 2: Star with the New York band who I was playing with,

8:21 Speaker 2: John McCurry and Chris Bishop and some really great session players.

8:25 Speaker 2: John McCurry is one of my favorite guitar players in

8:27 Speaker 2: New York. And he's been with Julian Lennon, Billy, Joel False.

8:31 Speaker 2: I mean, he's played with everybody, and he's like he's

8:33 Speaker 2: a really he's in Cyndi Lauper did all of her

8:36 Speaker 2: early stuff and he's a really good old friend. And

8:39 Speaker 2: he was he joined the band for a while and

8:40 Speaker 2: we were very close and I was playing the Loans

8:44 Speaker 2: I was I was doing the Loan Star actually one

8:46 Speaker 2: night with the old Loan Star thirteenth and fifth, which

8:48 Speaker 2: is a great room, and they run an ad and

8:52 Speaker 2: there was a record guy in Nashville at that time

8:54 Speaker 2: with us. At that time, there was a label called Asylum, Uh,

8:57 Speaker 2: and he was a asilent Nashville and he saw the

9:00 Speaker 2: ad and he called me up in New York said

9:02 Speaker 2: what are you doing in New York? And he said,

9:03 Speaker 2: why didn't you come down to Nashville. And that's where

9:05 Speaker 2: we originally recorded the early records, all in Nashville, And

9:08 Speaker 2: he said, why don't come down. I'll set you up

9:10 Speaker 2: with you know, a whole bunch of great writers for

9:14 Speaker 2: and we'll get see, you know, let's see what we

9:15 Speaker 2: can put together. And so he basically contacted me out

9:19 Speaker 2: of the blue and set me up with all of

9:21 Speaker 2: the most wonderful writers in Nashville. And so I went

9:24 Speaker 2: down and wrote for two weeks and then recorded all

9:27 Speaker 2: that material, and that kind of brought me back into

9:30 Speaker 2: the Nashville fold. And so then I started working on

9:34 Speaker 2: solo things from there on, and that's where my original solos,

9:38 Speaker 2: a lot of the first solo things started getting off

9:42 Speaker 2: the ground. And it was I so went full circle

9:44 Speaker 2: because we actually did our first records there in the

9:46 Speaker 2: early seventies at the Old Quad, which was a notorious

9:49 Speaker 2: that's where Drift Away by Doobe Gray was cut and

9:53 Speaker 2: all of the kind of legendary stuff from that era

9:55 Speaker 2: was cut down at the Old Quad on Grand Avenue

9:59 Speaker 2: and Film.

10:00 Speaker 1: So you probably back there. So you probably didn't have

10:03 Speaker 1: any trepidation, right, because I know a lot of people,

10:05 Speaker 1: you know, when they go to Nashville, people we've had

10:07 Speaker 1: on the show, they'll they'll talk about how scary it

10:09 Speaker 1: is because that's like, you know, I mean, that's that's

10:12 Speaker 1: high pressure, right, you know, sitting around writing writing songs

10:16 Speaker 1: with people in Nashville, Tennessee. But you had already recorded

10:19 Speaker 1: there with the band and everything, so for you, I

10:21 Speaker 1: assume it was pretty comfortable.

10:25 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we were very fortunate and that was the

10:27 Speaker 2: first place we went when we first signed Capitol. They

10:31 Speaker 2: sent us to Nashville with Norvid Putnam and Normood Putnam

10:33 Speaker 2: and David Briggs and Kenny Butchery, who we did the

10:36 Speaker 2: first records with were the last Elvis Presley manns. Oh wow,

10:39 Speaker 2: they were with Presley. So we were working with the

10:41 Speaker 2: Presley crew. Wow. Which was really amazing as a green

10:44 Speaker 2: kid to be in the studio with those guys because

10:46 Speaker 2: they were just phenomenal. Yeah, and so we I was

10:49 Speaker 2: very lucky to kind of to bump into like some

10:52 Speaker 2: of the most veteran players at the very beginning. And

10:56 Speaker 2: we were and we were in Quad, which is one

10:58 Speaker 2: of the studios which was had Dylan worked in, Joan Baez,

11:01 Speaker 2: Dobie Gray, you know, Dan Fogelberg, you name it, Jesse

11:06 Speaker 2: Winchester was like that studio was the place, yeah, and

11:10 Speaker 2: so so it was we Yeah, so I was we

11:14 Speaker 2: were very fortunate to really land in with a really

11:16 Speaker 2: good crew and nor Butt was an amazing musician, and producer.

11:19 Speaker 2: So we were very, very fortunate to be in the

11:23 Speaker 2: good graces of some really wonderful people who you know,

11:26 Speaker 2: was a world class education for me and in every way.

11:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Now the set that you

11:33 Speaker 1: do now on tour, do you do a lot of

11:37 Speaker 1: the original material who sat Dart band? Or is it

11:40 Speaker 1: I imagine you mix in because you've been prolific, You've

11:44 Speaker 1: recorded a lot both with the band and since then

11:46 Speaker 1: as well.

11:49 Speaker 2: Yes, so yes, So basically I make a good make

11:52 Speaker 2: a point of really going back and honoring a lot

11:54 Speaker 2: of the early material to the early records through the

11:57 Speaker 2: capital the years, and then we move on through the

12:00 Speaker 2: newer things. So it's a real you know, it's quite

12:03 Speaker 2: a wide swath of material, you know, that goes back

12:06 Speaker 2: to the beginning for the songs that people really like

12:08 Speaker 2: from that period, and then newer things. And also a

12:11 Speaker 2: couple of very discreete covers here. I try and pick

12:14 Speaker 2: songs that I really love to play by, you know,

12:17 Speaker 2: by really great writers here and there. So it's it's

12:20 Speaker 2: a real wide array of things. And and Jim is

12:25 Speaker 2: you know, we both covered a lot of ground guitar

12:28 Speaker 2: wives and Jim is just an amazing musician. So and

12:31 Speaker 2: we're very tight, you know, and so it's it's, uh,

12:34 Speaker 2: you know, we're very close with each other and kind

12:36 Speaker 2: of it's there's a lot of really nice chemistry involved.

12:39 Speaker 2: So it's fun. It's just it's just really fun.

12:42 Speaker 1: Yeah. Are you by the way, are you from here? Originally?

12:45 Speaker 1: Where are you from?

12:48 Speaker 2: I'm actually from New York. I was. I was. I

12:51 Speaker 2: was born in New York and raised in New York,

12:53 Speaker 2: and I moved I went to Boston when I first

12:55 Speaker 2: met I first. The reason I how I wound up

12:59 Speaker 2: in Boston is I had my grandparents lived in Nantucket,

13:02 Speaker 2: and I used to go up there a bit, and

13:05 Speaker 2: when I in the fifties, in the late fifties and

13:07 Speaker 2: early sixties, and they One night, I had a friend

13:13 Speaker 2: who got me to sit down and do an audition

13:17 Speaker 2: in front of John Hammond, who was playing the Chicken Box,

13:19 Speaker 2: the club out in Nantucket, and and John asked me

13:22 Speaker 2: to stay on and play with him for three nights.

13:24 Speaker 2: And so I opened for John Hammond at the Chicken

13:26 Speaker 2: Box and one night Don Law, who was a promoter

13:28 Speaker 2: in Boston, yep, very familiar there because he and John

13:31 Speaker 2: Hamm's father, John Law's father and John Hammond's father were

13:36 Speaker 2: both talent scouts who had founded all kinds of you know,

13:39 Speaker 2: we're legendary and the music business. Yeah, and Don saw

13:43 Speaker 2: the show and said, what are you doing? Want you

13:44 Speaker 2: to come to Boston? And I went to Boston and

13:48 Speaker 2: he started managing me, and that's how the band started.

13:51 Speaker 1: That's a that's a hell of a great start, I'll

13:53 Speaker 1: tell you, that's fantastic. That's that's that's a that's an

13:58 Speaker 1: amazing start. And then did you get signed to Capitol

14:01 Speaker 1: pretty quickly?

14:04 Speaker 2: We actually did a lot of road work. You know,

14:07 Speaker 2: Don really threw us out on the road, and I

14:10 Speaker 2: asked John Troy from California. I went to University of

14:12 Speaker 2: the Pacific in California. I asked him to come out

14:15 Speaker 2: and play bass, and he started playing bass as a duo.

14:18 Speaker 2: And then we found John Curtis through an ad in

14:20 Speaker 2: a music store and we started playing trio. And Don

14:22 Speaker 2: really put us out on the college circuit really like

14:25 Speaker 2: and it led a huge amount of work. We started

14:28 Speaker 2: doing the NEC conferences and everywhere. We played all the

14:31 Speaker 2: colleges in New England, and so he really turned us

14:34 Speaker 2: into like a real road outfit really fast. He just

14:37 Speaker 2: had us on the road endlessly, and we got a

14:40 Speaker 2: reputation kind of you know, through just really hard work

14:44 Speaker 2: before we were ever signed. And then you know, there

14:47 Speaker 2: was we had a strong reputation going from roadwork, and

14:50 Speaker 2: then we were started seeking out labels and towards the

14:54 Speaker 2: early mid seventies and then you know, we went through

14:58 Speaker 2: the same thing that I'll probably all Dan went that

15:00 Speaker 2: we were rejected by all kinds of people, you know,

15:02 Speaker 2: one left or another. It's you know, it's the game

15:04 Speaker 2: of rejection. Was trying to find labels. And then finally

15:07 Speaker 2: a uh there was a legendary recordman named Al Corey

15:11 Speaker 2: was then the head of Capital and he was actually

15:12 Speaker 2: an old Boston guy and he wanted to come to

15:14 Speaker 2: Boston and he came to Boston, saw us and signed us,

15:18 Speaker 2: and so and so we signed with Capital, and uh

15:21 Speaker 2: and then the rest was you know, a couple of

15:24 Speaker 2: weeks later, we were Dawn and I were out at

15:26 Speaker 2: the Brown Derby and Hollywood and Vine and they were

15:28 Speaker 2: setting us up to uh go and start recording in

15:31 Speaker 2: Nashville with Norburn.

15:32 Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, that's yeah, that's that's fantastic. That's uh, yeah,

15:36 Speaker 1: that's a great start. How many records did you do

15:38 Speaker 1: for Capital?

15:41 Speaker 2: We did four, there was an option on five and

15:43 Speaker 2: then and then then the whole kind of industry. You know,

15:47 Speaker 2: when at that time when we were making those records,

15:50 Speaker 2: we were really spending a lot of time and really

15:53 Speaker 2: you know, putting a lot of effort of the records.

15:54 Speaker 2: And we were spending you know, the budgets were really

15:56 Speaker 2: high weed to make some pretty expensive records considering what

16:00 Speaker 2: was going on at that time. And what happened is

16:03 Speaker 2: the whole industry was very decament at that point. That

16:06 Speaker 2: was when you know, Fleetwood Mac turned in Tusk, which

16:08 Speaker 2: was and that was like during that era, and so

16:11 Speaker 2: the industry was really wild and crazy at that point.

16:14 Speaker 2: And and then you know, as I mentioned, they signed

16:19 Speaker 2: the Knack and the NAC turned in my Sharona for

16:22 Speaker 2: ten grand, and all the labels went, oh, man, we're

16:25 Speaker 2: when we're changing gears now. And they realized that they

16:28 Speaker 2: could get everybody to do these records for nothing, and

16:31 Speaker 2: so they just clean sweep all Warner and Capital and

16:34 Speaker 2: a lot of labels just did a clean sweep of

16:37 Speaker 2: their rosters and just kind of you know, started all

16:39 Speaker 2: over again. So it was like a real like, you know,

16:42 Speaker 2: a real rude awakening in a lot of ways at

16:46 Speaker 2: that period of time. And then also a Saturday night

16:48 Speaker 2: fever came in from the DG's and the whole scene

16:51 Speaker 2: just kind of went, you know, just went flipped like

16:53 Speaker 2: like a one eighty degree in terms of what was

16:55 Speaker 2: going on in terms of record radio. So it was

16:58 Speaker 2: it was a very know, it was a very eye

17:01 Speaker 2: opening period of time to go through, that's for sure.

17:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you had a you had a great start,

17:06 Speaker 1: and of course that built the foundation for everything that

17:08 Speaker 1: you've been able to do since. And and I like

17:12 Speaker 1: I said very much, so yeah, and I really like

17:14 Speaker 1: a lot of the new material that you're doing as well.

17:17 Speaker 1: And we should mention, we should remind people. Of course,

17:20 Speaker 1: you're going to be at the Rex Theater on September thirteenth,

17:24 Speaker 1: and of course, for anyone who's never been there, it

17:26 Speaker 1: is a it is a fantastic place. And this is

17:28 Speaker 1: this is just you. Correct, there's no opener, it's just

17:30 Speaker 1: it's just you and your partner.

17:33 Speaker 2: And last time, no, the last yeah, the last time

17:36 Speaker 2: we were in it was just us. I don't I

17:38 Speaker 2: don't recall that we had no better last time. Okay,

17:40 Speaker 2: but the nice thing about it, there's really a really

17:43 Speaker 2: great audience there. I mean that the audience was fantastic

17:46 Speaker 2: the last couple of times we've been in there. I mean,

17:48 Speaker 2: they're just it's a very enthusiastic and and uh, you know,

17:52 Speaker 2: people really knew this, knew the songs, and so we

17:55 Speaker 2: love playing. There's a great room.

17:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's that's excellent. That's excellent. And then what

18:01 Speaker 1: are your plans for after this run of shows is

18:03 Speaker 1: done on this tour? Are you gonna You're gonna do

18:05 Speaker 1: another album or what? Do you know what your kind

18:08 Speaker 1: of long term trajectory is?

18:10 Speaker 2: You know what I've been doing this. I've been since

18:13 Speaker 2: I did a record. The last record I did I

18:16 Speaker 2: did for Sony Red and we did it. We did

18:19 Speaker 2: I went back when I first went to Nashville. I

18:22 Speaker 2: told you I came. We came on the tail end

18:25 Speaker 2: of the drift Away sessions with Dobe Gray, and I

18:27 Speaker 2: walked him at the end of their cutting drift Away

18:31 Speaker 2: and the guys were still in the studio and one

18:32 Speaker 2: of my heroes, Reggie Young, was one of my really

18:36 Speaker 2: one of my favorite guitar players, bar None was there

18:38 Speaker 2: in the studio, and I kind of made a mental

18:40 Speaker 2: note at that time, which was, this is the seventies,

18:43 Speaker 2: that I would wanted to do a record with him

18:45 Speaker 2: so badly all these years, so you know, turned the

18:48 Speaker 2: clock turns, you know, thirty thirty years forward or so,

18:53 Speaker 2: and I made a mental note that I wanted to

18:54 Speaker 2: go back. And I met with a producer named Bill Worndek,

18:57 Speaker 2: who passed subsequently since, but one of the legendary, absolutely

19:01 Speaker 2: amazing producers. He's done Alison Krause and you know Bellafleck

19:07 Speaker 2: and many many of the greats, and you know MARLEH. Stanley.

19:10 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just a long list. But we got

19:12 Speaker 2: together and did a record, and we wanted to bring

19:14 Speaker 2: in these these the Muscle Shows guys and Reggie Young.

19:18 Speaker 2: So I did a record with a lot of the

19:19 Speaker 2: Muscle Shows guys, Reggie Young and the Memphis and the

19:23 Speaker 2: real top bench Nashville players and turn in a record

19:27 Speaker 2: called Talk, which was I think the best record I've

19:29 Speaker 2: ever done. Wow, that was the last record I did,

19:32 Speaker 2: and it didn't it was kind of quiet, kind of

19:35 Speaker 2: it was didn't really like Sony didn't do much you know,

19:38 Speaker 2: it was the period of time when everything was changing

19:40 Speaker 2: from kind of the old record the whole promo routine

19:44 Speaker 2: to social media. So it's a big switch. And since

19:47 Speaker 2: then I've started really working wanted to put more effort

19:51 Speaker 2: and just putting singles out so I don't spend so

19:53 Speaker 2: much time working on a whole record and just kind

19:55 Speaker 2: of putting things out immediately. Which you've really noticed from

19:58 Speaker 2: the site is I put and videos out like one

20:01 Speaker 2: by one so that they're immediately there and I don't

20:04 Speaker 2: have to spend a lot of time waiting to ac creue.

20:07 Speaker 2: You know, the energy that you put into a record,

20:09 Speaker 2: time it takes to get it out, and the attentions. Man,

20:12 Speaker 2: there's so much shorter now and a lot of people

20:14 Speaker 2: don't even have you know, they don't even have CD

20:16 Speaker 2: players in their cars anymore. So it's it's coming through streaming.

20:19 Speaker 2: So I'm kind of addressing that the medium has changed

20:23 Speaker 2: to this to a very much more immediate, you know,

20:27 Speaker 2: uh format. So that's kind of the way I've been

20:29 Speaker 2: approaching it, is just putting out singles.

20:32 Speaker 1: No, that makes sense, and it's something that we talk

20:34 Speaker 1: about a lot on the show with our guests. Is

20:35 Speaker 1: that we live in a time where you have all

20:38 Speaker 1: these different options in terms of how you want to

20:40 Speaker 1: release music. You know, you can do an album, you

20:42 Speaker 1: can do an EP, you can put out just singles.

20:44 Speaker 1: And some of our guests they'll talk about putting out

20:48 Speaker 1: a series of singles that eventually they put together into

20:51 Speaker 1: an album. But you know, kind of the inversion of

20:54 Speaker 1: you know, instead of putting out an album and then

20:55 Speaker 1: releasing singles, you release the singles and then it becomes

20:58 Speaker 1: an album. But yeah, yeah, I mean that's a talk

21:01 Speaker 1: about a big shift in the industry. Yeah, that's a

21:03 Speaker 1: that's a really big one.

21:06 Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, I mean people really, you know, our people

21:09 Speaker 2: are just kind of getting things, you know, I mean,

21:11 Speaker 2: you know with obviously you know, the advent of Spotify

21:14 Speaker 2: and Rhapsody and Pandora and Amazon and all the rest

21:16 Speaker 2: of it. You know, that's really the way people are

21:19 Speaker 2: are are receiving most of what they're getting. And it's

21:22 Speaker 2: a you know, it's it's it's it's also very difficult

21:26 Speaker 2: because there's so much stuff coming through that you really

21:29 Speaker 2: have to kind of dig down to find a lot

21:30 Speaker 2: of the things. You know, Like there's there's tons of

21:33 Speaker 2: music that's just below the surface. It doesn't ever kind

21:35 Speaker 2: of come on to the yep. So it's you know,

21:38 Speaker 2: it takes it takes some effort to find the things

21:40 Speaker 2: that you really love, but it's it's there. It's just

21:42 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's just there's so much more

21:45 Speaker 2: being released now than ever before. So it's it's definitely

21:48 Speaker 2: an onslaught of media that's being that people are being

21:50 Speaker 2: inundated with, no question.

21:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely absolutely if you are just joining us, John

21:56 Speaker 1: Poussett Dart is with us, and uh, we've been talking

21:59 Speaker 1: about he's got to coming up on the thirteenth at

22:02 Speaker 1: the Rex Theater right here in Manchester. And John, well,

22:05 Speaker 1: we'll let you go in a moment, but I really

22:07 Speaker 1: appreciate your time this morning, and it's great to get

22:10 Speaker 1: to speak with you. And yeah, the Rex Theater is

22:13 Speaker 1: such a nice venue. Of course, if you're online you

22:16 Speaker 1: can go to Rextheater dot org or Palace Theater dot

22:19 Speaker 1: org if you want to get tickets online or call

22:22 Speaker 1: six O three six six eight five eight eight. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

22:26 Speaker 1: and you can see John Poussett Dart And I'm sorry,

22:29 Speaker 1: what's the name of the gentleman who plays with you again?

22:32 Speaker 2: Jim Chapter Laine and the people. If people know Al Anderson,

22:36 Speaker 2: Al Anderson is just a treasure, a musical one of

22:39 Speaker 2: the great guitar player in Saner Sommers and he plays

22:41 Speaker 2: also with Al and Al is just a monster. He's

22:44 Speaker 2: literally he was a guitar both with NRBQ and n

22:47 Speaker 2: RBQ the original NRBQ is was one of the greatest

22:50 Speaker 2: bands up their Little Feet and Bonnie Ray and some

22:53 Speaker 2: of my favorite bands bar None the original band it's

22:56 Speaker 2: changed now, but Al was part of it, was one of

22:59 Speaker 2: you original members. And he's so he works with Al

23:02 Speaker 2: and and myself and so he's just and he's also

23:06 Speaker 2: we have a lot of similar friends in Nashville and

23:09 Speaker 2: spread around, so he's he's a he's just a wonderful musician.

23:12 Speaker 2: Jim Chapter Laine.

23:14 Speaker 1: Okay, very cool, very cool. All right, Well, John, we

23:17 Speaker 1: will let you go, but thank you so much. It

23:19 Speaker 1: is wonderful to speak with you today. Have a great

23:21 Speaker 1: show on Friday. I wish I could be there, but

23:23 Speaker 1: I'm actually on the air Friday nights. But but I

23:25 Speaker 1: know it's going to be great and we'll keep plugging

23:27 Speaker 1: it here and spreading the word. And thank you so

23:29 Speaker 1: much for joining us today.

23:32 Speaker 2: Matt. It's wonderful talking to you, and thank you for

23:34 Speaker 2: having me. Greatly appreciate it.

23:35 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, anytime, anytime, all right, Thanks John,

23:38 Speaker 1: Take care, take care.

23:41 Speaker 2: All right.

23:41 Speaker 1: That was John Poussett Dart and we're gonna play to

23:45 Speaker 1: close out our conversation. I'm gonna play this track Amnesia.

23:49 Speaker 1: This is one of the hits from back in the

23:52 Speaker 1: days of the John Poussar, the Poussett Dart Band. Boy,

23:58 Speaker 1: I do a radio show, can you the Poossett Dart Band?

24:02 Speaker 1: This track Amnesia? And I decided to play this one

24:05 Speaker 1: specifically for our friend Tony Petrello, who might be listening,

24:08 Speaker 1: because last night on Retrospectrum Radio we were talking about

24:12 Speaker 1: how John was going to be joining us this morning,

24:14 Speaker 1: and Tony had mentioned that he particularly particularly loves this

24:19 Speaker 1: song Amnesia. So let's give this a spin. Then we'll

24:23 Speaker 1: show some love to our amazing sponsors and then our guest.

24:27 Speaker 1: We have a great guest coming in and plus we'll

24:30 Speaker 1: remind you about that show and the art show that

24:33 Speaker 1: Jenny is featured in as well. We'll talk about all

24:35 Speaker 1: of it, but here it is. This is Amnesia. This

24:38 Speaker 1: is from the poussett Dart Band, John Poussette Dart