Andrew Voorhees | Matt Connarton Unleashed

0:00 Speaker 1: Photographer Andrew Voorhies this year.

0:02 Speaker 2: Hello Andrew, Hello, good morning everybody.

0:04 Speaker 1: Good morning, welcome to the program.

0:05 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on.

0:07 Speaker 1: And uh so you are a what would be the

0:09 Speaker 1: proper term photo journalist? Is that? What? What? What should

0:12 Speaker 1: we how should we refer to your profession?

0:14 Speaker 2: I would say, so, I mean I'm a I'm a

0:15 Speaker 2: photographer really generally all around. I mainly do do a

0:19 Speaker 2: lot of political stuff and photojournalism, but I also do

0:22 Speaker 2: a lot of non photojournalism and non political stuff as well.

0:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, you are very well. How when did you because

0:31 Speaker 1: you're a young man, when did you start? When did

0:32 Speaker 1: you start doing this professionally?

0:34 Speaker 2: Actually, so about a year ago is when I got

0:40 Speaker 2: my first actual camera, which is the camera that I

0:42 Speaker 2: still have today.

0:43 Speaker 3: Okay, I first started.

0:45 Speaker 2: Out going around to like local events, and I actually

0:49 Speaker 2: went down to Boston a lot, because, I mean, being honest,

0:53 Speaker 2: around conquered.

0:53 Speaker 3: There's not really a lot of stuff to photograph over there.

0:56 Speaker 1: Right, Well, well once in a while, they're sure is

0:59 Speaker 1: but we'll.

0:59 Speaker 2: Get Yeah, absolutely, we'll get to that.

1:02 Speaker 1: Yeah.

1:03 Speaker 2: Now, So I first started out, you know, just going

1:06 Speaker 2: to events and just you know, going around Boston just

1:09 Speaker 2: kind of photographing the city. I started out doing some

1:12 Speaker 2: wildlife stuff and then I also did some motorsports as well,

1:17 Speaker 2: a lot of stuff with I've done a few things

1:19 Speaker 2: with MX NHMX up in Epping and NHMX one on

1:23 Speaker 2: one which is like the dirt bikes, and then the

1:25 Speaker 2: quad cross and stuff like that.

1:27 Speaker 3: So that was super fun.

1:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, excellent, excellent. What made you want to get

1:30 Speaker 1: into photography.

1:31 Speaker 2: I was first inspired by photography when I was in

1:36 Speaker 2: eighth grade. I've always been a really big fan of history. Yeah,

1:40 Speaker 2: and you know, in school, our teacher at the time,

1:43 Speaker 2: mister Brown, he would show us a lot of photos

1:46 Speaker 2: of the civil rights movement in World War Two. I

1:49 Speaker 2: was very inspired by those photos because you know, when

1:52 Speaker 2: you take a photo, that's not all you're doing. You're

1:54 Speaker 2: really freezing a moment in time, right, And that's what

1:57 Speaker 2: first interested me in That is not only just the

2:00 Speaker 2: aspect of you know, being outside and you know with

2:03 Speaker 2: a camera, it's also you're you're documenting things. Even if

2:06 Speaker 2: it's something might seem mundane, You're still you're still freezing

2:10 Speaker 2: that moment in time, you know. Yeah, And I remember

2:15 Speaker 2: seeing these photos and being that's what I want to do.

2:18 Speaker 2: I want to get out there. I want to document

2:21 Speaker 2: I mean because it's important. You know, people need to

2:23 Speaker 2: know what's going on in their communities, and people have

2:25 Speaker 2: a right to know what's going on, right, And it's

2:28 Speaker 2: one thing to hear about an event, but when you

2:30 Speaker 2: see it visually, even through a photo, you get that

2:34 Speaker 2: deeper level of understanding of, oh, this is what happened.

2:39 Speaker 1: Are you? Something that comes up on the show a lot,

2:43 Speaker 1: and we we haven't really talked about it when it

2:46 Speaker 1: comes to photography. We talk about it a lot when

2:49 Speaker 1: it comes to music, but uh AI and the encroachment

2:54 Speaker 1: of AI for a lack of a very way better

2:56 Speaker 1: way of putting it into our creative endeavors, and and

2:58 Speaker 1: uh are you. I'm curious to get your thoughts on

3:01 Speaker 1: that because now and this is something we'll probably get

3:04 Speaker 1: into a little bit more later too, but now there's

3:08 Speaker 1: it's easier than ever, of course, to create a photo

3:10 Speaker 1: or a video or anything you know that is AI generated.

3:14 Speaker 1: And it's also but not only does it make it

3:18 Speaker 1: easy to fake things, or easier to fake things than

3:20 Speaker 1: it used to be, but also it makes it easier

3:23 Speaker 1: for people to say, oh, I don't believe this is

3:25 Speaker 1: real when they see it, and obviously that directly affects

3:29 Speaker 1: what you're doing because, like you said, when you take

3:31 Speaker 1: a photo of something, you're documenting it. You're creating evidence

3:35 Speaker 1: that this happened, this is an event, this is something

3:37 Speaker 1: that is real. But I mean, how do you feel

3:40 Speaker 1: about how do you feel about AI? And do you

3:42 Speaker 1: feel do you feel threatened by it? Are you concerned

3:45 Speaker 1: about it? Or you're not worried about it?

3:47 Speaker 2: So there is definitely a level of concern when it

3:49 Speaker 2: comes to AI, because I mean AI is supposed to

3:54 Speaker 2: you know, help us, not replace us, right, that is

3:57 Speaker 2: what the intention of AI should be. But we are

4:00 Speaker 2: definitely seeing a lot more now that AI is encroaching

4:03 Speaker 2: on that line of you know, because again, like you

4:06 Speaker 2: just said, there are a lot of people who will

4:09 Speaker 2: now be like, oh, that's fake right now, And it

4:13 Speaker 2: is definitely very damaging when you know people do that

4:17 Speaker 2: because of tools like that. I think it definitely is

4:23 Speaker 2: something that needs to be regulated because then things will

4:26 Speaker 2: start to, you know, go out of control. Because again,

4:30 Speaker 2: like as as a photographer, I have had people fully

4:33 Speaker 2: on tell me that my photos are fake it and

4:37 Speaker 2: they are People are a lot more emboldened to say

4:39 Speaker 2: that because of tools like AI, right, like because you

4:43 Speaker 2: know before, like I always say this a lot is

4:46 Speaker 2: you know, the undeniable proof of photographic evidence is one

4:50 Speaker 2: of the most important things that we have. But now

4:52 Speaker 2: we're living in a day and age where that kind

4:54 Speaker 2: of means, hey, I can just type this thing in

4:56 Speaker 2: a chat GPT and generate it right there. So why

4:59 Speaker 2: can't you do this thing right?

5:00 Speaker 3: You know?

5:01 Speaker 2: And it's like, well, I'm not right right, but it

5:05 Speaker 2: definitely is starting to concern me a bit, especially with

5:10 Speaker 2: you know, what just happened, because you do have a

5:12 Speaker 2: lot of people going out there and be like, oh,

5:14 Speaker 2: that's fake, but it's not, sir, you're right right, Yeah,

5:17 Speaker 2: oh yeah, it is definitely a concern for me.

5:20 Speaker 1: Well, we should talk about because this this is an

5:25 Speaker 1: instance where I assume you didn't expect going into the

5:29 Speaker 1: event where you took photographs that we're about to talk about.

5:31 Speaker 1: I assume you didn't expect to go in there and

5:33 Speaker 1: get necessarily the kinds of photos that came out of. Yeah.

5:37 Speaker 3: No, absolutely not.

5:39 Speaker 2: Yes, So, for those who don't know, I covered the

5:43 Speaker 2: neo Nazi demonstration that happened in conquered. At the Capitol Building,

5:47 Speaker 2: there was a fifty to fifty one protest that was

5:50 Speaker 2: being held, but it was kind of the They did

5:55 Speaker 2: try to take it over, but they eventually failed and left. Yeah,

5:59 Speaker 2: but it Yeah, I did not expect to turn on

6:03 Speaker 2: to the road of you know, my capitol building and

6:06 Speaker 2: see that.

6:07 Speaker 1: Ye.

6:07 Speaker 2: And I once I saw that, I realized people are

6:12 Speaker 2: probably gonna think the same thing, like, oh, there's no

6:14 Speaker 2: way that you know they were here and conquered New Hampshire.

6:18 Speaker 2: So that's why the first thing that I did, I

6:20 Speaker 2: threw my bag in the ground, ripped my camera out

6:22 Speaker 2: and started photographing. You know, because like I said earlier,

6:25 Speaker 2: photographic evidence is very important because you know, people might

6:30 Speaker 2: not know that it happened, or you know, like we

6:33 Speaker 2: said earlier, people might be like, oh, that didn't happen,

6:35 Speaker 2: this is fake. But then when I show you a

6:38 Speaker 2: photo of it, then you can't really sit there and

6:41 Speaker 2: say it is very important because people need to know

6:45 Speaker 2: and people have a right to know what's going on

6:46 Speaker 2: in their community.

6:47 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, So in that moment, I mean, have you

6:50 Speaker 1: had have you had any other moments that even approached

6:54 Speaker 1: that in terms of oh, my god, I've got I

6:57 Speaker 1: gotta hurry up and grab grab my camera and get

6:59 Speaker 1: out there.

7:00 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely so.

7:02 Speaker 2: My friend He's so, I live right on Manchester Street

7:05 Speaker 2: and Conquered, like right next to where all the car

7:08 Speaker 2: dealerships are, you know, Brookside and all of that.

7:10 Speaker 1: I know, I grew up in Concored Well yeah, I

7:12 Speaker 1: know exactly.

7:13 Speaker 2: My friend Jaden, he actually works at Brookside and one

7:18 Speaker 2: day he sent a video of the apartment building. So

7:22 Speaker 2: this actually happened last month. The apartment building next to

7:25 Speaker 2: Brookside was on fire.

7:27 Speaker 1: Oh my god.

7:27 Speaker 2: And he was like, you know, he sent that to

7:29 Speaker 2: me and I was like, dude, I got to get

7:30 Speaker 2: over there. So I grabbed my bag, I sped over there.

7:32 Speaker 2: I was like two minutes away. By the time I

7:35 Speaker 2: got there, the fire department like already had the flames,

7:38 Speaker 2: you know, dim and down. So, you know, thank you

7:40 Speaker 2: to Conqueror Fire Department all the other fire departments that

7:43 Speaker 2: were there. Yeah, you know, that was one of the

7:47 Speaker 2: That was probably the first moment where I was like, oh,

7:49 Speaker 2: I need to grab my camera and go. Yeah, and

7:51 Speaker 2: you know, go to this without you know, warning or

7:53 Speaker 2: anything like that. It's a as a photographer, it's definitely

7:57 Speaker 2: another level of adrenaline when it's it's not a planned thing,

8:01 Speaker 2: right I imagine, especially something like a fire. So I

8:05 Speaker 2: got there, I photographed the fire department at work and

8:08 Speaker 2: stuff like that, because that's another thing that people need

8:10 Speaker 2: to know about, is events like that and stuff, because

8:13 Speaker 2: that also affects a lot of people because you know,

8:15 Speaker 2: after that event, there was a lot of people without homes. Again,

8:17 Speaker 2: it's also a very scary thing because you know that

8:20 Speaker 2: that can happen really at any time, right, you know.

8:22 Speaker 2: And it's also good to get those photos for the

8:24 Speaker 2: fire department, you know, so.

8:26 Speaker 3: They have those.

8:27 Speaker 2: And yeah, it was very it wasn't necessarily what happened

8:32 Speaker 2: at the Capitol Building type of experience, but it was

8:34 Speaker 2: definitely still a very you know, crazy situation to walk

8:38 Speaker 2: up to and see what was going on.

8:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Do you ever have anything happened

8:42 Speaker 1: where you you you go to photograph something and it

8:45 Speaker 1: winds up? I mean, are you ever disappointed, like, like,

8:47 Speaker 1: do you ever find something asn't as interesting a photograph

8:50 Speaker 1: as you expected? Or has that ever happened?

8:52 Speaker 3: Oh?

8:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely been those times, you know, But I

8:57 Speaker 2: feel like as a photographer, especially like I, as I

9:00 Speaker 2: gain more experience, you realize how to photograph things like

9:04 Speaker 2: that that might seem mundane or boring and stuff like that.

9:07 Speaker 2: You you really learn and you get that eye of

9:09 Speaker 2: like what I should actually capture instead of just being like, ah, well,

9:13 Speaker 2: you know this, this isn't going well. You know, there's

9:17 Speaker 2: definitely that uh that thing. I try to keep it

9:19 Speaker 2: in the back of my head of you know, let's

9:21 Speaker 2: let's find something because there's there's always a story or

9:24 Speaker 2: there's always something to show people out there. Now, as

9:27 Speaker 2: I kind of mentioned earlier that you know, even though

9:30 Speaker 2: Concord is kind of a boring place to photograph, as

9:33 Speaker 2: long as you look, there's always something out there right right.

9:36 Speaker 1: No doubt. How I want to circle back to AI

9:40 Speaker 1: for a moment, because how do how can you tell like, like,

9:44 Speaker 1: do you have any advice for people who and and

9:47 Speaker 1: whatever we say about it today might not even matter,

9:50 Speaker 1: you know, a year from now, a month from now,

9:52 Speaker 1: who knows, because the technology moves so fast. But like

9:55 Speaker 1: if somebody says to you, for example, well, how do

9:58 Speaker 1: I know this photograph took is real? How do I

10:01 Speaker 1: know this is an AI? Like what can you tell

10:03 Speaker 1: other than while I was there, you know, I mean,

10:05 Speaker 1: what what can you tell them or can't or is

10:09 Speaker 1: there anything you can you can say?

10:11 Speaker 2: Really well, I have an SD card with raw files, yea,

10:17 Speaker 2: But obviously I'm not going to show up to someone's

10:18 Speaker 2: house with my SD card and be like, well, here

10:20 Speaker 2: you go.

10:21 Speaker 1: There.

10:22 Speaker 2: There are definitely ways to tell if an image is AI.

10:24 Speaker 2: There's a lot of things that can factor into it.

10:27 Speaker 2: Is the quality of the image, because like, if if

10:30 Speaker 2: I have an actual camera, obviously it's not going to

10:33 Speaker 2: look like it was taken off of a potato, right.

10:37 Speaker 3: Yeah.

10:37 Speaker 2: The other thing you look for is really just like

10:40 Speaker 2: human anatomy is, like is there few extra fingers or

10:45 Speaker 2: people's faces smudge together and stuff like that.

10:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, has a problem with fingers.

10:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, definitely.

10:50 Speaker 2: They have a very big problem with you know, getting

10:54 Speaker 2: those features down. So that's important to look for, you know,

10:56 Speaker 2: certain colors. There's things that just wouldn't make sense, you know,

10:59 Speaker 2: like a group of people merging together in like a blob,

11:02 Speaker 2: stuff like that. But it is getting harder and harder

11:05 Speaker 2: to tell. Like I don't know if you've seen the

11:07 Speaker 2: I believe it's called the Google VO three.

11:10 Speaker 3: Or something like that.

11:10 Speaker 1: I believe, I know of it.

11:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like people are able to create these like

11:14 Speaker 2: very realistic looking videos, and you've got to look at

11:17 Speaker 2: the progression of AI, like I believe in like twenty

11:20 Speaker 2: twenty three is when it first really started to kind

11:23 Speaker 2: of emerge with Oh, you can create these AI videos

11:25 Speaker 2: of you know, like Will Smith eating spaghetti or something,

11:28 Speaker 2: and now it's merged into and you could clearly tell

11:31 Speaker 2: back then, oh this is AI, like his fingers a

11:34 Speaker 2: like disappearing into his.

11:35 Speaker 3: Face and stuff like that.

11:36 Speaker 2: But now it's it's kind of getting the point where

11:40 Speaker 2: it takes longer and longer to kind of look at

11:43 Speaker 2: it and realize, Okay, this is AI. And again, if

11:46 Speaker 2: that's the kind of progression it's had since twenty twenty three,

11:49 Speaker 2: I mean, could you imagine what it's going to be

11:50 Speaker 2: like two years from now. And it is a very

11:53 Speaker 2: very scary thought because I mean, not only does that

11:56 Speaker 2: come into play when it comes to my job, of

11:58 Speaker 2: people saying this is fake, you got to think what

12:00 Speaker 2: that would do the world, especially when it comes to

12:02 Speaker 2: deep fakes. You know, people can make deep fakes of

12:04 Speaker 2: political leaders, celebrities or even of you you know, what

12:07 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a very real concern. And this is

12:09 Speaker 2: why I say, like it really is something that needs

12:12 Speaker 2: to be regulated, because if it's not, it's it's gonna

12:15 Speaker 2: spiral out of control. And a lot of people think

12:17 Speaker 2: that way. So I don't really know why it's not

12:21 Speaker 2: really happening.

12:22 Speaker 1: I keep seeing these videos that show up in my

12:25 Speaker 1: feet on like on on Facebook. I'll see these shorts

12:28 Speaker 1: of videos of like floods and and and like tsunamis

12:33 Speaker 1: and things. And one of the one of the ways

12:36 Speaker 1: I can always tell. I mean, I'm sure there's some

12:39 Speaker 1: of them that look so real that I can't tell

12:41 Speaker 1: they're fake. But but there is one tell and a

12:43 Speaker 1: lot of these is how the people in the videos react.

12:45 Speaker 1: Like you'll see this huge wave coming and people aren't

12:48 Speaker 1: running away, just standing some of some of the some

12:50 Speaker 1: of them are running away, but some of them are

12:51 Speaker 1: just standing there like it's not like they're not you know,

12:54 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, that's not how people would react in

12:56 Speaker 1: that situation. Everybody would run.

13:00 Speaker 2: It's like you can tell by their movements too, is

13:02 Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, Like their arm will

13:03 Speaker 2: spin all the way around or something like that. But again,

13:07 Speaker 2: especially when it comes to a lot of you know,

13:09 Speaker 2: older people to say they they are more attuned to

13:14 Speaker 2: believe things like that, you know, obviously, But and that

13:17 Speaker 2: also poses the other danger of you know, scammers have

13:20 Speaker 2: also been using stuff like that to lure people into

13:23 Speaker 2: just draining their accounts. And it is a very horrible

13:27 Speaker 2: situation and I hope that something is done about it

13:30 Speaker 2: rather sooner than later.

13:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what can be done though, not to.

13:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely.

13:37 Speaker 2: So that's the thing is we need to actually have

13:40 Speaker 2: conversations about this and you know, figure something out because

13:43 Speaker 2: it does need to be addressed. And that's where it starts,

13:45 Speaker 2: just having simple conversations with each other and be like,

13:47 Speaker 2: all right, what are we going to do about this,

13:49 Speaker 2: you know, your state and local legislators and just bringing

13:52 Speaker 2: it all the way up.

13:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how you put this genie back

13:55 Speaker 1: in the bottle. I really don't. I mean, honestly, I

13:58 Speaker 1: really don't. But but yeah, there are concerns. I mean,

14:03 Speaker 1: obviously a I can do can do some great things too.

14:05 Speaker 1: You know, we've we've our first experience with AI actually

14:10 Speaker 1: live on the radio. We there's a couple of Suno

14:14 Speaker 1: and Udio seem to be the two biggest ones where

14:16 Speaker 1: you can make music using AI, and we we did

14:19 Speaker 1: an experiment live on the show. I said, we had

14:23 Speaker 1: something where we had I guess who had canceled or something,

14:26 Speaker 1: but we always find ways to fill the time. So

14:27 Speaker 1: I said, let's, uh, this was something I'd kind of

14:29 Speaker 1: had in the back of my mind. Let's use the

14:31 Speaker 1: Suno app because I'd created an account and their free

14:34 Speaker 1: account is actually pretty generous, and let's just create a

14:38 Speaker 1: song live on the air. We'll we'll put in a

14:40 Speaker 1: prompt and we'll create and and oh my god, like

14:43 Speaker 1: they're so good, like they're legitimately good. Like it's not

14:48 Speaker 1: it's not like, oh this is obviously AI listened to it,

14:51 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's it's pretty incredible what

14:53 Speaker 1: what it can do. And uh, you know, and I

14:55 Speaker 1: have mixed feelings about that because, on one hand, because

14:59 Speaker 1: of where I come from in my background and what

15:01 Speaker 1: I do, you know, I will always always advocate for artists,

15:05 Speaker 1: for musicians and protecting them and everything. On the other hand,

15:10 Speaker 1: when you type in an idea and it creates this

15:13 Speaker 1: great song for you, it's like, this is pretty cool.

15:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like what do you do.

15:17 Speaker 2: The other thing that places into it is you know,

15:19 Speaker 2: people's job security, and it just comes down street to

15:23 Speaker 2: like human creativity. No matter what AI can do, at

15:28 Speaker 2: the end of the day, humans created AI, and humans

15:31 Speaker 2: have done those things on their own without AI.

15:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, true, true, Yeah, it's uh, you know you mentioned

15:41 Speaker 1: too deep fake videos. And part of the part of

15:45 Speaker 1: the problem too is people will tend to just broadly speaking,

15:51 Speaker 1: even if you take AI out of the equation, people

15:53 Speaker 1: are easily fooled when they're being told something or shown

15:57 Speaker 1: something that they want to. Yeah, you know, we all carry,

16:02 Speaker 1: some people more than others, and we won't get into that,

16:05 Speaker 1: but you know what I'm talking about, But but we

16:07 Speaker 1: all carry It's it's part of human nature, some degree

16:09 Speaker 1: of confirmation bias in our brains and and so we're

16:12 Speaker 1: always all of us are more apt to believe certain

16:15 Speaker 1: things more easily, and so you know, if they comport

16:20 Speaker 1: with what we already think and believe or like to

16:22 Speaker 1: think and believe it. Therefore it's very very because that's

16:28 Speaker 1: the thing too. Even if there are tells this is

16:31 Speaker 1: part of the problem. Even if there are certain ways

16:34 Speaker 1: that you can tell that something is AI if you

16:38 Speaker 1: want to be fooled by it, you will be, you

16:39 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Yeah, if you want to be

16:41 Speaker 1: it will be.

16:42 Speaker 2: I mean even before AI, people were saying things were

16:45 Speaker 2: fake and they didn't believe them and stuff. That's why

16:47 Speaker 2: I truly feel like what I do to this day

16:50 Speaker 2: is still very very important, still relevant, you know, because

16:53 Speaker 2: there are a lot of people out there who might

16:54 Speaker 2: just be like, oh, you're just taking photos. I mean yeah,

16:57 Speaker 2: I mean, if you really want to simple it down

16:59 Speaker 2: like that. But at the same time, especially with AI

17:03 Speaker 2: and all this other stuff, it is very important for

17:05 Speaker 2: you know, people like me to get out there and

17:07 Speaker 2: document things and document things accurately. That's why I get

17:10 Speaker 2: photos of everything. I'm not just taking photos of one

17:13 Speaker 2: side or I'm not just taking photos of a select

17:15 Speaker 2: group of people. I get everything because at the end

17:18 Speaker 2: of the day, no matter what your beliefs are, the

17:20 Speaker 2: truth is important.

17:21 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Oh well said, perfectly said. If you're just joining us,

17:24 Speaker 1: we're talking with photojournalists. Photojournalist tripped on that word, I

17:30 Speaker 1: should just say photographer, Andrew. No, but what you do

17:34 Speaker 1: is more than just photography, so it's important to it's

17:36 Speaker 1: important to get that out Andrew Vorhees is here with us,

17:40 Speaker 1: and I also want to talk to you about you know,

17:42 Speaker 1: we've been talking about AI technology. Also, phones like your

17:46 Speaker 1: cell phone can take incredible pictures depending on what I mean,

17:50 Speaker 1: some of the new phones, it's amazing what they can do.

17:53 Speaker 1: Is that a threat to what you do in any way?

17:55 Speaker 2: So when it comes to the phones, I don't believe.

17:57 Speaker 2: So I'm actually very glad that, you know, people who

18:01 Speaker 2: aren't able to get a super expensive or fancy camera

18:04 Speaker 2: can use their phone to document things like this, because

18:07 Speaker 2: there's not always going to be someone with a nice

18:09 Speaker 2: camera around to document things like that. So I actually

18:12 Speaker 2: think it's a good thing that other people have the

18:15 Speaker 2: ability to document events like this, even if it is

18:17 Speaker 2: just a cell phone. Do I think they're gonna take

18:19 Speaker 2: my job?

18:20 Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

18:21 Speaker 2: I mean you got to look at just the things

18:23 Speaker 2: you can do with cameras. It's just on a whole

18:25 Speaker 2: other level. Yeah, iPhones that they definitely have, the quality

18:29 Speaker 2: on them has gotten insane. But when we're talking about

18:32 Speaker 2: the level of photos and the storytelling that you can

18:35 Speaker 2: do with a camera, it's just on a whole new level.

18:38 Speaker 2: And I might be a little biased saying this, as

18:40 Speaker 2: a photographer, I should. I mean, even before I was

18:43 Speaker 2: a photographer, it's what truly inspired me was photos with

18:46 Speaker 2: actual cameras.

18:47 Speaker 3: I feel like, you get you're able to.

18:51 Speaker 2: Tell more of a story with a camera, and you're

18:53 Speaker 2: able to get a deeper understanding of things when it's

18:57 Speaker 2: actually taken by a camera, you know. But definitely I

19:01 Speaker 2: am Actually I do believe it is a good thing that,

19:04 Speaker 2: you know, everyone can have the ability to document events

19:08 Speaker 2: because that is also very important too, and you can

19:11 Speaker 2: see all sides in that way, you know. And again,

19:15 Speaker 2: like I said earlier, the truth is important, you know

19:18 Speaker 2: whether again it doesn't matter what your beliefs are as

19:21 Speaker 2: long at the end of the day, as long as

19:22 Speaker 2: the truth is what gets out there, that's what's important.

19:25 Speaker 1: Can you tell? Can can you tell if a picture

19:30 Speaker 1: was taken with a camera or a phone?

19:32 Speaker 3: Absolutely? Yeah, yep?

19:34 Speaker 2: Interesting, interesting, yeah, yep, yeah, it's it's I mean, especially

19:40 Speaker 2: as a photographer, it's very easy to tell. But if

19:43 Speaker 2: if you're not, it's very easy to give you a

19:44 Speaker 2: simple explanation and be like, oh, here, you know what

19:46 Speaker 2: I mean. That would actually be a pretty good test

19:49 Speaker 2: to do actually, just to you know, test my eye

19:52 Speaker 2: a little bit, right, right, Yeah, mainly because like the

19:55 Speaker 2: mainly the way you can tell is the depth of

19:57 Speaker 2: field is like when it come cameras crazy, But also

20:01 Speaker 2: I mean just image quality in general, like typically even now,

20:04 Speaker 2: like the more you zoom in with an iPhone, the

20:07 Speaker 2: worst and worse the image gets. Yeah, you know, but

20:09 Speaker 2: if you're you know, someone like me who has like

20:11 Speaker 2: a two hundred millimeter lens, you can really get in

20:14 Speaker 2: there and it's still crystal clear.

20:16 Speaker 1: Interesting, Okay, that makes sense, Yeah, it makes sense. So

20:20 Speaker 1: what you take the picture with is important. Rag gear

20:23 Speaker 1: is important, absolutely, because I'm also curious too for anyone

20:26 Speaker 1: who's listening to this conversation who's interested in doing what

20:29 Speaker 1: you do, you know, that's that's something you probably want

20:32 Speaker 1: to impress upon people, right, like what you use you know. Yeah, yeah,

20:37 Speaker 1: it's fine to take pictures with your phone, but to

20:39 Speaker 1: do what you do, you know, you really need a

20:42 Speaker 1: professional camera.

20:43 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, absolutely, and especially like if you do want

20:47 Speaker 2: to do photography, you are definitely going to need a camera. Yeah,

20:50 Speaker 2: it's definitely an important thing. So what I would recommend

20:54 Speaker 2: doing is at first, like anything you know, even with photographers,

20:58 Speaker 2: like okay, this seems like something I'm inted in. But

21:00 Speaker 2: there are some things where you're like, oh, I'm interested

21:02 Speaker 2: in this, but then you start doing it and you're like,

21:04 Speaker 2: I don't really like this, you know. So my recommendation

21:07 Speaker 2: would be too because there's actually a store here in

21:10 Speaker 2: Manchester called Hunts. It's a photo store. They you can

21:13 Speaker 2: actually rent a camera for like the day or the

21:16 Speaker 2: week and stuff, so interesting. That would be my recommendation

21:19 Speaker 2: is to rent a camera, you know, for a day

21:22 Speaker 2: or a week or you know, whatever you think is adequate,

21:26 Speaker 2: rent out, you know, because you can actually rent lenses

21:28 Speaker 2: and stuff like that as well, So I would that

21:30 Speaker 2: would be my recommendation was to start out doing that,

21:33 Speaker 2: you know, renting and rent different types of cameras like

21:37 Speaker 2: rent a Fujifilm or a Nikon or a Cannon or Sony,

21:40 Speaker 2: just to see what feels comfortable to you and what

21:43 Speaker 2: you know aspects of certain brands that you like, right,

21:47 Speaker 2: you know, because that is also very important in photography,

21:50 Speaker 2: is you know, it's not people aren't necessary. I mean

21:54 Speaker 2: people are as and you know any other community are

21:56 Speaker 2: very brand heavy. But at the same time it's really

21:58 Speaker 2: you know, just what are you most comfort with what

22:00 Speaker 2: do you like using, you know, what specs do you

22:03 Speaker 2: like about certain cameras? So yeah, just renting stuff out

22:06 Speaker 2: and just going out and just really taking pictures of anything. Yeah,

22:10 Speaker 2: like literally anything when you're starting out, just to not

22:13 Speaker 2: only be like, hey do I actually.

22:15 Speaker 3: Like this what I'm doing right now?

22:17 Speaker 2: And also learning the mechanics of the camera, learning you know,

22:22 Speaker 2: all that stuff, and just learning what to photograph, learning

22:26 Speaker 2: how to photograph it. It was very I mean I'm

22:29 Speaker 2: still definitely learning. I mean, no matter what you do,

22:32 Speaker 2: there's always room to learn and grow, and it's very

22:34 Speaker 2: very interesting. As someone who's very passionate about the work

22:37 Speaker 2: that I do, it's I'm always down to learn everything

22:41 Speaker 2: that I can when it comes to photography. So that

22:43 Speaker 2: that is another thing I would recommend is just learn. Yeah,

22:45 Speaker 2: you know, I have, like the majority of what I've

22:48 Speaker 2: learned I've done on my own with you know, YouTube

22:50 Speaker 2: and talking to those around me.

22:51 Speaker 3: You know.

22:52 Speaker 2: So that's the other aspect too, is you know, joining clubs,

22:54 Speaker 2: talking to other photographers, stuff like that can go a

22:57 Speaker 2: really long way.

22:58 Speaker 1: I wonder how many people are interested in doing this,

23:02 Speaker 1: but they but then they become overwhelmed because we kind

23:05 Speaker 1: of live in a culture where a lot of things, Well,

23:09 Speaker 1: now you're you're very young. Jenny and I were Gen X,

23:13 Speaker 1: so we're like the last generation that actually grew up

23:15 Speaker 1: pre Internet. And I wonder how many people are are

23:19 Speaker 1: just kind of just they get discouraged because it all

23:21 Speaker 1: is more complicated than maybe they expect, because they think

23:24 Speaker 1: they think it's going to be easy, because so many

23:26 Speaker 1: things are easy in terms of just like you know again,

23:31 Speaker 1: like taking pictures with your phone. They think, Okay, well

23:34 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a photographer. Okay, I better get a

23:37 Speaker 1: real camera to do this. Oh there's a lot to learn,

23:39 Speaker 1: like different trying different cameras, like you said, trying different

23:42 Speaker 1: lenses and so forth. It's not like you just Okay,

23:45 Speaker 1: now I have a real camera. Now I'm gonna go

23:48 Speaker 1: take some pictures and it's going to be great and

23:49 Speaker 1: I'm a professional. It's not like that. It's like any really,

23:52 Speaker 1: it's like anything else. You have to actually learn and

23:54 Speaker 1: spend the time. You know, you've you've put the time

23:57 Speaker 1: in to learn all this stuff. But you know, a

23:59 Speaker 1: lot of people they get impatient, they get frustrated, and

24:02 Speaker 1: you know.

24:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and Honestly, I've been there, you know, like, yeah,

24:07 Speaker 2: you know it's but really again, once when you're passionate

24:10 Speaker 2: about something, you realize, hey, this is what I want

24:12 Speaker 2: to do. You stick through it, you know, on the

24:14 Speaker 2: highs and the lows. It is that, like I said,

24:17 Speaker 2: I mean, happened to me, and it's definitely a very

24:19 Speaker 2: real thing that can happen where you're like, oh, this

24:21 Speaker 2: looks super easy, because before I got a photography I'm like, oh,

24:23 Speaker 2: you're just pointing a camera and pressing a button.

24:25 Speaker 1: Right, there's definitely more than that.

24:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, But once you you know, sit there and you

24:30 Speaker 2: actually start learning a lot of it just makes I mean,

24:33 Speaker 2: for me, it just like that. It was just super

24:36 Speaker 2: quick and I was like, oh, okay, yeah, so that's

24:39 Speaker 2: what this setting does.

24:40 Speaker 3: That's what this does.

24:41 Speaker 2: Okay, awesome, And then you just kind of collectively take

24:43 Speaker 2: all the things that you've learned and just really when

24:47 Speaker 2: it comes to a camera, when you do one thing,

24:49 Speaker 2: it affects something else. So you know what I mean,

24:51 Speaker 2: Like when when you up your ISO, it adds more

24:55 Speaker 2: light into the camera, but it also makes the image

24:57 Speaker 2: more fuzzy, so stuff like that. So like almost every

24:59 Speaker 2: setting that you can mess with it also messes with

25:01 Speaker 2: something else. And once you learn that really that those

25:05 Speaker 2: basic things you're not necessarily set, but you kind of

25:09 Speaker 2: you can from there you can just go yeah, you know.

25:12 Speaker 2: And it is definitely a very very interesting process because

25:17 Speaker 2: you know, as a photographer, the weather hates us.

25:20 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so, and it also.

25:23 Speaker 2: Goes down to the gear that you have as well.

25:26 Speaker 2: The more gear you have, the different types of gear

25:28 Speaker 2: you have, the more you can do. Really, you can

25:30 Speaker 2: definitely do a lot with you know, I even have

25:33 Speaker 2: right now, you know, as a twenty year old, it

25:35 Speaker 2: doesn't have a lot of money. I only have, you know,

25:38 Speaker 2: one camera body and three lenses. Even with that you

25:41 Speaker 2: can do a lot, yeah, you know. But the the

25:44 Speaker 2: more equipment that you have and the type of equipment

25:46 Speaker 2: that you have, you can do a lot more. You

25:47 Speaker 2: can shoot indoors, you can shoot at night, you can

25:49 Speaker 2: shoot when it's cloudy, stuff like that. So really it

25:53 Speaker 2: might not even come down to you know, what you

25:56 Speaker 2: know and what you don't know. It just comes down

25:57 Speaker 2: to what tools do I have available?

25:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, have you been in situations you mentioned the weather?

26:02 Speaker 1: Have you been in situations where you needed to photograph

26:05 Speaker 1: something in in uh weather, that was challenging.

26:08 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it's especially with you know, only one

26:11 Speaker 2: camera body and three lenses. It happens more more often,

26:15 Speaker 2: especially in the winter, I bet, especially in the winter.

26:18 Speaker 2: And I'm like, ah, because again, like lighting, lighting is

26:23 Speaker 2: a big thing when it comes to me. You know,

26:26 Speaker 2: it's it can be very especially indoors. You know it

26:29 Speaker 2: like like this right now, it's very you know, well

26:31 Speaker 2: lit room. But if I were to you know, take

26:33 Speaker 2: my camera out, it's not gonna look so lightly right right,

26:36 Speaker 2: especially with my my long lens. But you know, with

26:39 Speaker 2: my one point for you know, fifty lens in here,

26:41 Speaker 2: it would look pretty good. But again that's that's a

26:44 Speaker 2: very very short lens. You can't really zoom in and

26:47 Speaker 2: stuff like that. And that's the other thing when you

26:49 Speaker 2: zoom in with a camera, it also.

26:51 Speaker 3: Gets darker as well.

26:53 Speaker 2: So oh okay, yeah, so it's very it can be

26:55 Speaker 2: very challenging when you're in a very big, open room

26:59 Speaker 2: and you're trying to get the you know, close up

27:00 Speaker 2: shots of you know, people talking and stuff like that

27:03 Speaker 2: or just you know, what have you whatever you're photographing.

27:07 Speaker 2: But again it's just gear. There's there's so much out there.

27:11 Speaker 2: It's insane, Like I could literally look online for like

27:14 Speaker 2: hours and hours and be like, oh I want this,

27:16 Speaker 2: I want that, I want that. So it's also very expensive. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

27:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Do you have a favorite

27:25 Speaker 1: thing to photograph? Is there? Is there something anything in particular,

27:28 Speaker 1: like political events or is there anything that?

27:30 Speaker 3: Yes?

27:31 Speaker 2: So I I cover a lot of protest and I

27:34 Speaker 2: would say, not only is it my favorite thing to photograph,

27:37 Speaker 2: but it is definitely the thing that I'm best at.

27:40 Speaker 1: Yeah.

27:40 Speaker 2: Is just you know, telling people's stories of you know, resistance.

27:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's I love.

27:50 Speaker 2: That's another thing that got me really interested in photography

27:53 Speaker 2: was I love talking to people. I love hearing people's stories,

27:56 Speaker 2: you know, the where did you come from? Why are

27:58 Speaker 2: you here? You know, just just learning about people is

28:02 Speaker 2: something that fascinates me, you know. I I just love

28:05 Speaker 2: talking to fellow humans, you know, and telling their stories.

28:08 Speaker 2: To be able to not only tell their story, but

28:12 Speaker 2: show people their story through the visual aspect of photography is.

28:17 Speaker 3: Just something I love.

28:18 Speaker 2: And again it's also very important to document events like that. Again,

28:22 Speaker 2: no matter what your belief is, that's still history, you

28:25 Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's it's still history. And to

28:29 Speaker 2: be able to be at those events and meet the

28:31 Speaker 2: people that I meet, it's it's amazing, you know. And

28:34 Speaker 2: it's again it's it's like one of the things that

28:36 Speaker 2: I'm best at. I mean, the quality of images that

28:39 Speaker 2: I've been able to get through those events is just insane,

28:42 Speaker 2: you know. Also an another thing that I really love

28:45 Speaker 2: the photograph is the motor the like motorsports.

28:48 Speaker 3: Love it. I love it itself.

28:50 Speaker 2: Fun just to watch them jump up on their dirt

28:53 Speaker 2: bikes and stuff like that.

28:54 Speaker 3: It's great.

28:55 Speaker 2: I mean, that's awesome.

28:56 Speaker 1: Is it a I would imagine part of I'm guessing

29:00 Speaker 1: tell me if I'm right that part of what's exciting

29:02 Speaker 1: about that is the challenge of getting like a really

29:04 Speaker 1: good sort of action shot. Yeah.

29:06 Speaker 2: And when you look back, and then when I get

29:07 Speaker 2: home and I look back at my shots, I'm.

29:08 Speaker 3: Like, oh, it's so cool.

29:10 Speaker 1: Yeah.

29:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, just there's just mid air. It's it's great. Uh.

29:14 Speaker 2: I do also like I mean wildlife as well. It's

29:17 Speaker 2: just it's so cool. I've gone to the Boston Commons

29:20 Speaker 2: a lot because I mean, the squirrels.

29:22 Speaker 3: Will just walk right up to you. Oh really, Yeah,

29:24 Speaker 3: it's great.

29:25 Speaker 2: I mean I I literally have a photo of my U,

29:27 Speaker 2: my friend Bryce with an acorn in his hand and

29:30 Speaker 2: the squirrels literally just like up against his hands. Really yeah,

29:33 Speaker 2: grab the acorner hit out of his hand.

29:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just super cool.

29:37 Speaker 2: And I mean a lot of street photography stuff is

29:40 Speaker 2: great as well. I mean, you know, I've taken photos

29:43 Speaker 2: of people in Boston just playing guitars on the side

29:45 Speaker 2: of the streets stuff like that. And again, it's like

29:47 Speaker 2: to other people that might seem like super mundane, but

29:49 Speaker 2: you're you're capturing a moment there, yeah, you know, and

29:51 Speaker 2: it's it's just with a camera. It's just it's so cool. Yeah,

29:55 Speaker 2: that's another aspect of love. And I'm like, this is

29:57 Speaker 2: so cool.

29:57 Speaker 3: Right, right, Like it's great.

30:00 Speaker 1: Not only that, but if you take a picture of

30:01 Speaker 1: somebody with a guitar, you never know exactly, You just

30:06 Speaker 1: never know.

30:08 Speaker 2: And that's the other cool aspect of it. And again,

30:10 Speaker 2: it's like when you as a photographer and you take

30:13 Speaker 2: a photo of someone that's also a conversation initiator. You know,

30:15 Speaker 2: As I mentioned before, I love talking to people, and

30:17 Speaker 2: that's a great way to be like, hey, I got

30:19 Speaker 2: this super cool photo of you. At the same time,

30:21 Speaker 2: some people might be like, hey, why did you take

30:23 Speaker 2: a photo of me?

30:24 Speaker 1: Which that's something I'm curious about too. So do you

30:27 Speaker 1: ever have someone who you want to take their picture

30:30 Speaker 1: and they and they say no?

30:32 Speaker 2: So I when it comes to me on my own,

30:35 Speaker 2: you know, when I'm out in public, I definitely do

30:39 Speaker 2: tend to ask people first, or if it's for example,

30:42 Speaker 2: like if someone is you know, playing a guitar or

30:44 Speaker 2: actually like doing something, you know, I tend to take

30:48 Speaker 2: the photo first and then show it to them and

30:49 Speaker 2: then you know, if they want me to delete it,

30:51 Speaker 2: obviously I'm gonna respect their right to privacy and I'm

30:53 Speaker 2: gonna get rid of the photo. But I definitely do

30:57 Speaker 2: make you know, initiations, you actually ask people like hey,

31:01 Speaker 2: can I take a.

31:01 Speaker 3: Photo of you?

31:02 Speaker 2: Because again, like I'm very you know, big on privacy

31:05 Speaker 2: because I mean, I mean everyone should be. It's just

31:07 Speaker 2: respectful and you know, it's just common sense.

31:09 Speaker 3: Yeah.

31:09 Speaker 1: Uh.

31:10 Speaker 2: But I mean I know at the the rallies and

31:13 Speaker 2: stuff like that, I've had people come up to me

31:15 Speaker 2: and they're like, are you a cop? And I'm like, no, really, no,

31:19 Speaker 2: I mean it doesn't really. I mean I got the

31:21 Speaker 2: short hair. I'm a tall, pretty Yeah. I get my

31:24 Speaker 2: fit white dude who wears khakis and yeah polo shirts

31:27 Speaker 2: a lot. Yeah, I totally get it. Uh, And I

31:30 Speaker 2: totally get you know, people's worry about that stuff. But

31:33 Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I am not a police officer. And

31:36 Speaker 2: they're like, oh, do you work for the press or

31:37 Speaker 2: something like that. I'm like no, I'm like just a dude,

31:40 Speaker 2: I promise. Yeah, Like I'm with you, you know, yeah,

31:43 Speaker 2: you know, but I I kind of like laugh at

31:47 Speaker 2: it now, you know what i mean, because I'm like, well,

31:49 Speaker 2: I mean, do you see a bat? Like, no, I'm

31:53 Speaker 2: not a police officer. And it It actually happened a

31:56 Speaker 2: lot yesterday at the I was at the Portsmouth Airport

31:59 Speaker 2: photographing the anti ice protests there and I did get

32:03 Speaker 2: like around three people who are like, hey, dude, are

32:05 Speaker 2: you are you a cop? And kidd like no, it's wow,

32:09 Speaker 2: Like no, I'm not. That's funny, Like I just take pictures.

32:13 Speaker 2: Oh that's funny. Yeah, but you know, just having simple

32:17 Speaker 2: conversations with people and be like hey, no, you know,

32:19 Speaker 2: I'm just here to document the event and stuff like that. Yeah,

32:22 Speaker 2: everyone that I've come across so far has been like okay,

32:25 Speaker 2: you know, thanks for being here and stuff like that.

32:26 Speaker 2: And I do understand the worry that I mean, we

32:29 Speaker 2: do live in you know, pretty sketchy times right now,

32:31 Speaker 2: so I totally understand it.

32:33 Speaker 1: By the way, Todd Air of course from the Hanging

32:36 Speaker 1: Left podcast, and he is in the chat room, he says,

32:39 Speaker 1: love to go out and have you give me a

32:41 Speaker 1: refresher on photography, and he says he loves street photography

32:46 Speaker 1: as well. Very good, and we should mention, of course

32:48 Speaker 1: Todd from the uh yeah, Hanging Left. I guess you're

32:51 Speaker 1: coming on board with us officially, right, absolutely so, so

32:54 Speaker 1: we'll have so Andrew and I and Todd. We host

32:57 Speaker 1: the Hanging Left podcast. You can find online and it

33:02 Speaker 1: is on all your favorite podcasting platforms of course. But yeah,

33:08 Speaker 1: so you must you're with Todd every day, right because

33:10 Speaker 1: you both work on the campaign. We won't get into

33:13 Speaker 1: it in depth here, but the campaign. Do you want

33:16 Speaker 1: to mention the campaign? Yeah?

33:17 Speaker 2: So I am a campaign photographer for Sarah chid Zinsky.

33:21 Speaker 2: She's running for congress here in New Hampshire. That's another

33:24 Speaker 2: thing that's that I was like, you know, back to

33:27 Speaker 2: what inspired me to do photography was not just you know,

33:30 Speaker 2: political rallies and protests and stuff like that, but also

33:33 Speaker 2: like my absolute dream is to be.

33:34 Speaker 3: A White House photographer. Really, yeah, that is.

33:38 Speaker 2: I went to d C for my eighth grade field trip,

33:42 Speaker 2: and this was sort of where like, you know, the

33:44 Speaker 2: first flame began of all, I really want to be

33:46 Speaker 2: a photographer. I've always been interested in history, you know,

33:50 Speaker 2: and you can't really be interested in history without being

33:53 Speaker 2: history and with you know, interested in politics hand in hand.

33:56 Speaker 1: Yeah.

33:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it just doesn't really make sense for

33:58 Speaker 2: you to like history and then not like the thing

34:00 Speaker 2: that dictates.

34:01 Speaker 3: Like all of history.

34:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, of course.

34:04 Speaker 2: But I remember being there, you know, as like a

34:07 Speaker 2: twelve year old, thirteen year old kid, and I was

34:10 Speaker 2: just like this is this is where I want to be.

34:12 Speaker 1: Yeah.

34:12 Speaker 2: I again, I had an iPhone at the time, and

34:14 Speaker 2: I was just taking pictures of everything. Yeah, I actually

34:17 Speaker 2: have I still have a photo of me in front

34:18 Speaker 2: of the White House and I was like, that's where

34:20 Speaker 2: I want to be.

34:20 Speaker 3: Oh, okay, I have actually have Pete.

34:23 Speaker 2: So's's photo book. He was Obama's chief White House photographer

34:27 Speaker 2: the images. He was actually also Reagan's photographer as well. Yeah, So,

34:31 Speaker 2: I mean it's so interesting. He's an amazing guy. And

34:34 Speaker 2: the the types of photos and the quality of photos

34:39 Speaker 2: that that man was able to produce is insane.

34:42 Speaker 1: Really.

34:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like he's like one of those people that

34:45 Speaker 2: I look up to, you know, because I mean, that's

34:47 Speaker 2: that's what I want to be right there in the

34:49 Speaker 2: Oval office photographing what's going on. Yeah, you know, it's

34:52 Speaker 2: just man, I'm just I can nerd out about it

34:56 Speaker 2: for like the longest time.

34:57 Speaker 3: But it's great.

34:58 Speaker 1: Are there are there any specific photos that come to

35:02 Speaker 1: mind of of that are sort of iconic in your

35:04 Speaker 1: mind of of at the White House that that perhaps

35:08 Speaker 1: that gentleman. Would you say his name.

35:09 Speaker 3: Was Pete Soza?

35:10 Speaker 2: I believe that's how you pronounce his name.

35:12 Speaker 1: Like, are there are there any specific photos you can

35:14 Speaker 1: think of that he's taken that you can describe that.

35:16 Speaker 2: The the one that comes from One of my favorite

35:19 Speaker 2: photos is the photo of Obama and his staff in

35:23 Speaker 2: the situation room during the bin Laden raid.

35:25 Speaker 1: That was the first one I thought of when you

35:28 Speaker 1: when you mentioned I, yeah, photos from the White House?

35:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, I I look at that photo almost every day,

35:34 Speaker 2: and it's like to capture a photo like that is

35:39 Speaker 2: just it's just insane. Yeah, I mean that, like it

35:42 Speaker 2: just blows my mind, like not only was he there

35:45 Speaker 2: in that moment in that room with all the super

35:48 Speaker 2: important people, yeah, he got to document that like that

35:51 Speaker 2: like that is forever in history because of him. Yeah,

35:54 Speaker 2: and that's just that the thought of that's just insane.

35:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

35:58 Speaker 2: And you know, even just like sort of the again

36:01 Speaker 2: what other people might think is like mundane, but like

36:03 Speaker 2: the photos of you know, one of Obama's daughters, like

36:06 Speaker 2: sneaking behind the couch to like surprise him. It's like

36:10 Speaker 2: when you think of the Oval Office like in my

36:12 Speaker 2: brit Oh, it's a super serious place and all this stuff.

36:14 Speaker 2: But I mean again, at the end of the day,

36:16 Speaker 2: like they're still human, right exactly, especially you know, you

36:20 Speaker 2: know as young girls growing up in the White House,

36:22 Speaker 2: like they're still gonna do all those kid things like

36:24 Speaker 2: you know, scaring or surprising their dead. It's just that

36:26 Speaker 2: and again, you it just shows like the humanity aspect

36:30 Speaker 2: and it's just that is that is one of the

36:31 Speaker 2: things that also I love about photography is just capturing humanity.

36:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, and its purest form.

36:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's just great, I love it.

36:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. So that that's the long term goal.

36:44 Speaker 3: That's that's what that would be. To get to d

36:47 Speaker 3: C and to do that.

36:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be insane.

36:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. Oh yeah, Todd says too. Yeah, that's

36:54 Speaker 1: an amazing photo, he says, show Matt the protest photo

36:58 Speaker 1: you took of me after the show.

37:01 Speaker 3: I can definitely send that over to you.

37:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, absolutely, absolutely. Oh the time goes

37:07 Speaker 1: so quick. Yeah, this has been wonderful. Yeah, absolutely, you know,

37:11 Speaker 1: and looking forward to talking to you of course on

37:13 Speaker 1: the next hanging left as well.

37:14 Speaker 3: Absolutely.

37:15 Speaker 1: Where should people go to UH to follow you online

37:19 Speaker 1: and if they want to see I assumed do you

37:21 Speaker 1: have a website or something where you put a lot

37:22 Speaker 1: of these photos are so?

37:24 Speaker 2: I So the website is Friday dash Photography dot com.

37:28 Speaker 3: Okay, I do.

37:31 Speaker 2: I also am Friday Photography on UH Facebook as well.

37:36 Speaker 2: So the way to find that really is so the

37:39 Speaker 2: logo with the like Jason Vorhees esque hockey maskts it's

37:42 Speaker 2: a play on my last name, you know, like Vorhez,

37:45 Speaker 2: Friday Photography, Friday the thirteenth, you know. Yeah, a lot

37:48 Speaker 2: of people don't really know what that is, but you know,

37:50 Speaker 2: uh look it up Friday the thirteenth. It's a super

37:52 Speaker 2: good horror film. I believe it came out in the

37:54 Speaker 2: round the eighty.

37:56 Speaker 1: Friday the thirteenth. Probably I never got I never got

38:00 Speaker 1: into those movies, but early eighties, early eighties.

38:04 Speaker 2: And you can also just search up my name on

38:06 Speaker 2: Facebook as well. I post all my stuff on there,

38:08 Speaker 2: and that's just as an Apple and d R E

38:11 Speaker 2: w V as the victor O O R H E

38:14 Speaker 2: E S. I'm also on Instagram Andrew dot Andrew dot

38:19 Speaker 2: V hold on, okay, let me make it right.

38:23 Speaker 1: Definitely won't make sure people can Uh.

38:26 Speaker 3: There we go. Andrew dot V thirteen on Instagram.

38:29 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, very good, very good.

38:33 Speaker 2: And for those who use blue Sky, oh yes, I

38:37 Speaker 2: am the camera guy thirteen dot b s k Y

38:42 Speaker 2: dot Social.

38:43 Speaker 1: I'll have to find you on blue Sky if I

38:45 Speaker 1: if I if we're not already connected. I I have

38:47 Speaker 1: Blue Sky, I I have the app on my phone

38:49 Speaker 1: and everything, but I forget to use it, you know

38:52 Speaker 1: what I mean.

38:52 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm not gonna lot. Do you like I do

38:54 Speaker 3: the same thing. I'm like, oh yeah, that does exist.

38:55 Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people have switched from

38:57 Speaker 2: X to Blue Sky and like that. So yeah, I

39:00 Speaker 2: do need to get on there a lot more.

39:02 Speaker 1: I know. Every time I'm reminded of it's like, oh,

39:04 Speaker 1: I got to do that, and then I'll forget about

39:06 Speaker 1: it again. Well, very good, Well, Andrew Vorhees, thank you

39:09 Speaker 1: so much. This has been wonderful. Absolutely, I'm sure we'll

39:12 Speaker 1: do it again in the future and I'll see you

39:15 Speaker 1: on the podcast. Well, absolutely wonderful. Well, if you are

39:18 Speaker 1: listening live on Saturday, stick around Amber. Nicole Cannon is

39:22 Speaker 1: coming up in the second hour. Is she in the building, Jenny,

39:24 Speaker 1: She is in the building, so looking forward to speaking

39:26 Speaker 1: with her. And in hour three, our friend Nancy Manet

39:30 Speaker 1: is going to be joining us online via Microsoft Teams

39:33 Speaker 1: all the way from Texas to talk about her new single.

39:36 Speaker 1: But so stick around. Plenty more to come here on

39:39 Speaker 1: this Saturday on Matt connorton Unleashed and Andrew, thank you again.

39:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.

39:44 Speaker 1: You got it.