Charles Richardson | Matt Connarton Unleashed

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0:45 Speaker 2: is Saturday, February twenty eight, twenty twenty six. Nice have

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0:54 Speaker 2: Richardson from The Charles Richardson Show.

0:56 Speaker 3: Hello, Charles, greetings, and thanks for having me on last

1:00 Speaker 3: day of February.

1:01 Speaker 2: Absolutely so uh. I know this doesn't affect you because

1:04 Speaker 2: you are in Florida, but I like to think of

1:07 Speaker 2: the last day of February as being the last day

1:10 Speaker 2: of winter. And I'll tell you why, because my something,

1:12 Speaker 2: my Dad taught me he likes to think. He liked

1:14 Speaker 2: to think of winter as really only being two months long,

1:17 Speaker 2: just January and February, because most of December is technically

1:20 Speaker 2: still fall, so then you have January and February to

1:23 Speaker 2: contend with, and by the time you get to March,

1:25 Speaker 2: it's technically still winter. But at that point, you know,

1:27 Speaker 2: whatever happens happens, you don't care because any day now

1:29 Speaker 2: it's all gonna warm up and everything's gonna melt and

1:32 Speaker 2: it's gonna be fine. So in my mind, tomorrow, March first,

1:36 Speaker 2: is the first day of spring. Okay, but where you are,

1:40 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, right.

1:42 Speaker 3: It don't matter. It's spring except for a few fragments

1:45 Speaker 3: of really really chilly air. I'm not gonna say cold,

1:50 Speaker 3: because I am I am northern or by blood. I

1:53 Speaker 3: was the one that went out here in t shirts

1:54 Speaker 3: and shorts wets forty degrees, and I see the rest

1:57 Speaker 3: of the people bundle up like it's gonna be a

1:59 Speaker 3: blizzard soon. So it's if people look at me weird,

2:02 Speaker 3: I look at them weird too. Like in the fifties,

2:05 Speaker 3: people are still bundling up with with layers and layers

2:08 Speaker 3: like are you crazy, right, Come on, it's it just

2:12 Speaker 3: doesn't bother me. Maybe also because I like three hundred pounds,

2:15 Speaker 3: so it's like me a little bit more so.

2:18 Speaker 2: You don't get cold as easily as uh no, maybe

2:20 Speaker 2: other other folks.

2:22 Speaker 3: No, everybody else. Everybody else is turning on the heat Monday,

2:26 Speaker 3: and it's like thirty five degrees over here. I got

2:28 Speaker 3: the window open and I'm sleeping in my normal thing.

2:31 Speaker 3: So it's like I was, I was in heaven.

2:34 Speaker 2: How how cold is it in the winter there?

2:37 Speaker 3: Like that?

2:37 Speaker 2: Is it getting down to thirty five? Is that normal?

2:40 Speaker 1: Uh?

2:41 Speaker 3: In about so the cumlative days that it gets into

2:46 Speaker 3: the thirties, I have two hands to count the days. Really, yeah,

2:51 Speaker 3: it doesn't. It doesn't happen that often. And when it does,

2:54 Speaker 3: they have a thing called falling iguana warnings that are

2:58 Speaker 3: down here. Really kid you not. I'd use another word,

3:02 Speaker 3: but just that, that's how ridiculous it sounds. Is Literally,

3:07 Speaker 3: if it gets below forty degrees, the i guanas will

3:11 Speaker 3: literally freeze, frozen and fall from trees. They're not dead, why,

3:16 Speaker 3: they're just frozen and they fall. And there's that's literally

3:19 Speaker 3: a thing down here.

3:21 Speaker 2: I'd never heard of this before.

3:23 Speaker 3: So when you go ahead and hear, well, have you

3:25 Speaker 3: never heard of it, then I'm not gonna hear it.

3:27 Speaker 2: Right.

3:27 Speaker 3: But every time you hear a frozen to guana warning

3:30 Speaker 3: down here in Florida, it's literally things like don't don't,

3:33 Speaker 3: don't kill the iguanas or anything. They're still alive. They're

3:36 Speaker 3: just they're hibernating warms up again.

3:40 Speaker 2: I'll be damned. Oh that's wild. Yeah, I had no idea.

3:43 Speaker 2: I had no idea.

3:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy.

3:46 Speaker 2: Speaking of iguanas. By the way, I don't know how

3:49 Speaker 2: you feel about him. Jenny and I are both very

3:51 Speaker 2: big fans of mister Iguana.

3:54 Speaker 3: Yeah I heard. I heard. Listen to me, that was

3:59 Speaker 3: a wasted row rumble spot. Oh he didn't. He didn't

4:02 Speaker 3: do a whole lot. And he looked like he looked

4:04 Speaker 3: like doing the clown to me.

4:06 Speaker 2: Oh.

4:07 Speaker 3: Yes, he's very Listen, he's very athletic. I'm not gonna

4:09 Speaker 3: say anything, but it's like, listen, give him bring him

4:13 Speaker 3: up to to to nxt LIMB. See what he can

4:16 Speaker 3: do on that. You know, I know he's in triple

4:18 Speaker 3: A and everything. So okay, it's fine. He's gonna get

4:20 Speaker 3: his fair share. Of exposure. But to me, mister Iana,

4:25 Speaker 3: it sounds like a Vince mcman gimmick name. It really does.

4:29 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say. I'm not gonna say he's not

4:30 Speaker 3: talented or anything like that. Yeah, I'm just saying that

4:33 Speaker 3: the first exposure I have mister Guana. No, it's just

4:38 Speaker 3: it doesn't rub me the right way. It really doesn't.

4:41 Speaker 3: We love, we love this, apparently I have. I have

4:45 Speaker 3: very quick judgment to the name. Well, not not the man.

4:49 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what, I got a bunch of

4:50 Speaker 2: crap for it. On So on Friday nights, I'm a

4:54 Speaker 2: co host on Retrospectrum Radio with poly C and they

4:58 Speaker 2: they they they recently gave gave me a bunch of

5:00 Speaker 2: crap about my love for mister Iguana. But I think

5:04 Speaker 2: he's great. I say, put the belt on him, make

5:06 Speaker 2: him the champion.

5:07 Speaker 3: What do you think, Yeah, definitely put a belt on

5:10 Speaker 3: him so you can go ahead and hold this tights

5:12 Speaker 3: up a little bit better. Belt. Well.

5:16 Speaker 2: Part of why we're talking today, of course, aside from

5:18 Speaker 2: the fact that we always love to have you on,

5:20 Speaker 2: of course, and you are the host of the Charles

5:22 Speaker 2: Richardson Show. But today, speaking of shows, is elimination Chamber. Now,

5:27 Speaker 2: I should tell you that Jenny and I have not

5:30 Speaker 2: yet watched SmackDown. And the reason we haven't watched SmackDown

5:34 Speaker 2: yet is because on Friday nights, I, of course, am

5:38 Speaker 2: on retrospectrum radio, so we usually don't get to smack

5:40 Speaker 2: Down until Saturday, and then we won't even get to

5:44 Speaker 2: Elimination Chamber until either later this evening or possibly even tomorrow,

5:50 Speaker 2: so we may be a little bit behind. Now. I'm

5:52 Speaker 2: not putting any limitations on our conversation, of course, but

5:56 Speaker 2: I'm just offering this as a spoiler alert. Jenny doesn't

5:59 Speaker 2: like spoilers, so if we're if we talk about SmackDown

6:02 Speaker 2: at all, which I assume we will, because that will

6:04 Speaker 2: affect the elimination Chamber. You know, Jenny might want to

6:08 Speaker 2: tune out because I don't mind spoilers. Uh. But Jenny,

6:11 Speaker 2: of course, Uh, I know she doesn't want any, so

6:14 Speaker 2: this will give her a chance to, uh to shut

6:16 Speaker 2: this off if she's listening. But but I, but I

6:19 Speaker 2: I think something you got good?

6:21 Speaker 3: You got you got three seconds, two seconds, one second,

6:26 Speaker 3: And I have just one word for you. It's three letters,

6:29 Speaker 3: and it's USO and the reason why I say USO

6:33 Speaker 3: is because USO is out of the elimination chamber. Okay,

6:39 Speaker 3: thanks to the very first part of SmackDown. He got

6:43 Speaker 3: beaten down in an ambulance and the rumors were it

6:48 Speaker 3: was Drew McIntyre. Okay, So that opened up a spot

6:53 Speaker 3: for Jacob Fattou and a part of the Vision which

7:00 Speaker 3: probably guests doing one that's not injured. It's Logan Paul.

7:04 Speaker 3: Actually he should be austin theory is not injured, but

7:06 Speaker 3: do we really count him right anyway, But so Logan

7:10 Speaker 3: and Paul and Fatu went ahead and got into a match,

7:13 Speaker 3: and the final elimination Chamber of spot goes to Matt

7:16 Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you a guess.

7:18 Speaker 2: But Jacob Fatu, no, oh, Logan.

7:20 Speaker 3: Paul because du Bac and Tyre has to.

7:24 Speaker 2: Wait what say that again?

7:28 Speaker 3: It is the final entrant in the elimination chamber. So

7:31 Speaker 3: Jay us So is out, Logan Paul is in.

7:34 Speaker 2: Just fyi, oh okay, gotcha? Gotcha. By the way, what

7:38 Speaker 2: do you think of Logan Paul? Because I know he's

7:40 Speaker 2: he's kind of divisive. I think I think he's incredible

7:43 Speaker 2: as a I mean, I'm not I'm not so sure

7:46 Speaker 2: about some of the other things he's gotten involved in

7:48 Speaker 2: in terms of business practices and so forth. But lot

7:51 Speaker 2: of people call him a scammer, this and that. But

7:53 Speaker 2: I think as a professional wrestler, I think he's incredible.

7:56 Speaker 3: I think Logan Paul is actually mister Iguana.

8:02 Speaker 2: He's too tall, too tall.

8:05 Speaker 3: I'm just saying he's very athletic. I mean, definitely, he

8:08 Speaker 3: has all the characteristics of being a WWE guy. He

8:12 Speaker 3: really does. And I'm not gonna call him a superstar

8:14 Speaker 3: or a wrestler because I guess they're neither, you know, so,

8:18 Speaker 3: But Logan Paul's got everything. He's dazzled us in the ring.

8:22 Speaker 3: He really does. Now he's becoming a full time thing

8:26 Speaker 3: because I guess his YouTube channel making money anymore. I

8:28 Speaker 3: don't know. But you know, he's obviously been an influencer,

8:33 Speaker 3: which that's a thing nowadays. That's a that's a career

8:37 Speaker 3: choice along with only fans. That's a career choice now.

8:42 Speaker 3: And now he's turned in he's actually making himself full time,

8:47 Speaker 3: which I am very happy to see. That way, you

8:50 Speaker 3: can really see what he's like in the ring three

8:53 Speaker 3: hundred and sixty five days a year and We'll see

8:56 Speaker 3: how he handles himself with his character, and I think

9:00 Speaker 3: put him in in the vision is a good way

9:03 Speaker 3: to kind of mask any oopsies that he may do

9:07 Speaker 3: because he's with a group, and who better to mentor

9:13 Speaker 3: than Paul Haymon. Paul Haymon is done, CM Punk done,

9:17 Speaker 3: brock Lesner, he's done, Roman Reigns. All those careers basically

9:22 Speaker 3: took off with Paul Haymon involved. And you got to

9:26 Speaker 3: give the Walrus his due. We really do so. I

9:29 Speaker 3: think Logan Paul, I think he's going to be excellent.

9:32 Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, I don't doubt that he

9:35 Speaker 3: wins tonight.

9:37 Speaker 2: Oh you think really? You think he's going to win

9:39 Speaker 2: the elimination chaper.

9:41 Speaker 3: I don't have a solid bet on that one, but

9:44 Speaker 3: he's I mean, he could be built up to it

9:48 Speaker 3: because I think a lot of I think a lot

9:50 Speaker 3: of the storytelling has tooken some turns because of injuries.

9:54 Speaker 3: I think it should have been Bronson Reid in that

9:58 Speaker 3: last spot, but get injured.

10:01 Speaker 2: Uh Triceptare, Yeah, I believe it is tricept or Bicptar. Yeah.

10:08 Speaker 3: I know it had something to do with the tries.

10:10 Speaker 3: So I think he was supposed to be one in there,

10:12 Speaker 3: but I think they had they had to make a pivot,

10:14 Speaker 3: and that's why jay Us he won, wasn't supposed to win.

10:17 Speaker 3: That's why he's beating up now and that that's the

10:20 Speaker 3: that's the swagger, that that's the swing they're doing. So

10:24 Speaker 3: I don't I wouldn't be surprised if Logan Paul is

10:26 Speaker 3: set to go ahead and uh and win, or at

10:29 Speaker 3: least be in the final two.

10:32 Speaker 2: I think it's very unlikely that he wins because they're

10:35 Speaker 2: not gonna want to send him to WrestleMania the main event, right,

10:37 Speaker 2: I mean not yet. Maybe next year eventually, but not yet.

10:43 Speaker 3: You no, no, no, I mean you take take a

10:45 Speaker 3: look at if you take a look at the men's chamber,

10:48 Speaker 3: that the chamber match, you got Cody Rhoades, Javon Evans,

10:51 Speaker 3: l a Night, Logan Paul, Randy Won, and Trick Williams,

10:54 Speaker 3: a lot of new lou faces. I like Trick, Oh yeah, Trick.

11:01 Speaker 3: I like Javon. Javon could do some amazing things in

11:05 Speaker 3: that in that chamber.

11:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jenny loves him too. Yeah, Evans incredible.

11:12 Speaker 3: I really hope and I know this is probably not

11:15 Speaker 3: gonna be true, but I really hope it is not Cody,

11:19 Speaker 3: and it's not Randy.

11:21 Speaker 2: Okay, somebody else.

11:23 Speaker 3: Take this rein somebody that, somebody that's a face if

11:28 Speaker 3: you take a look, really, all of these people are

11:30 Speaker 3: faces except Logan ball.

11:34 Speaker 4: Well.

11:34 Speaker 2: Trick Williams is kind of I don't know what to

11:37 Speaker 2: think because he he acts like a heel. Everything about

11:40 Speaker 2: him is a heel, but the fans love him.

11:43 Speaker 3: I'm saying, it's like, if you want to go, I

11:46 Speaker 3: think Trick is all about Trick. He doesn't care about

11:49 Speaker 3: anybody else. He's so I don't call him a face

11:51 Speaker 3: or a heel. I think he's just he's just for himself. Yeah,

11:55 Speaker 3: So does that make him a heel? I don't think so,

11:57 Speaker 3: I think, but it definitely doesn't make him. You know,

12:00 Speaker 3: him being a crowd favorite, I think automatically puts him

12:04 Speaker 3: into that face category.

12:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, because the crowd explodes when his music hits. I mean,

12:10 Speaker 2: that's the bigg he gets the biggest. He gets a

12:13 Speaker 2: bigger face pop than most of the babyfaces, even though

12:16 Speaker 2: he acts like a heel. He kind of reminds me

12:18 Speaker 2: of the rock, you know, the rock, even when the

12:20 Speaker 2: rock was a baby face early on, you know, he

12:22 Speaker 2: was he was all about himself. You know, he wasn't

12:24 Speaker 2: the most empathetic babyface, and I think Trick Williams is

12:28 Speaker 2: probably a very similar to that. I certainly don't think

12:33 Speaker 2: it's going to be Randy Orton. I think it's most

12:35 Speaker 2: likely to be Cody Rhoads, but they may also If

12:38 Speaker 2: it's not Cody, then that means they're going to use

12:41 Speaker 2: tonight's match to because they've been teasing it for so long,

12:46 Speaker 2: there's finally going to be some sort of a breakdown

12:48 Speaker 2: between Cody Roads and Randy Orton.

12:51 Speaker 3: Do you think so?

12:52 Speaker 2: I do. I think that they're They've been teasing that

12:54 Speaker 2: and teasing it, and I think I think this is

12:56 Speaker 2: going to be the moment.

12:58 Speaker 3: It's finally about time, right, It's about time to see

13:01 Speaker 3: heel Roads roseby and a heel or.

13:04 Speaker 2: Well or the Randy Orton heel turn. But the problem

13:07 Speaker 2: with turning Orton heel is he is so and he

13:10 Speaker 2: has been since he came back for the past couple

13:13 Speaker 2: of years. He is so over as a babyface. The

13:16 Speaker 2: way the fans sing his song, I've never seen him

13:20 Speaker 2: as over as a babyface, even though he's an excellent.

13:23 Speaker 2: Heel so you think so okay, So you think tonight

13:28 Speaker 2: they pulled the trigger on the Cody Roads heel turn.

13:31 Speaker 3: I didn't say that. I was asking you if you

13:34 Speaker 3: think that's the Oh, okay, I I don't.

13:38 Speaker 2: Know if they it's so there's so much risk in

13:42 Speaker 2: doing it. I want to see it. Jenny wants to

13:44 Speaker 2: see it too. She was saying she's ready for it.

13:46 Speaker 2: I think it would be great. I have long speculated

13:49 Speaker 2: because we don't know. They've never told us who actually

13:53 Speaker 2: is responsible for the attack on Jacob fat too, And

13:56 Speaker 2: I've said all along, what if it's Cody. Hmmm, what

14:01 Speaker 2: if it somehow is revealed that it was Cody.

14:04 Speaker 3: That's interesting. I think that's really too far off. But

14:06 Speaker 3: you know what, it would be the first time that

14:08 Speaker 3: w W surprised me.

14:09 Speaker 2: They dropped a hint though they opened the door. Right

14:13 Speaker 2: after it happened, there was a conversation between Cody Rhoads

14:16 Speaker 2: and Nick All This where Cody Rhoads said to Nick

14:19 Speaker 2: All this, by the way, I'm really sorry about what

14:21 Speaker 2: happened to Jacob. I like Jacob, it's terrible, and then

14:25 Speaker 2: he moved on to something else in their conversation. But

14:27 Speaker 2: I remember him saying that and thinking why did they

14:29 Speaker 2: have him go out of his way to say that

14:32 Speaker 2: and to say how much he likes Jacob Plot too? Why?

14:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, because because fat two cost Roads to

14:38 Speaker 3: Belt literally in that that match. So they they've had

14:42 Speaker 3: some beef. But hey, you know what that that's that

14:46 Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense too. If they will go

14:47 Speaker 3: ahead and pull the trigger, all right, I wouldn't be

14:49 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be too shocked on that. Yeah, I don't

14:51 Speaker 3: think why would it make Roads a bad guy? That

14:54 Speaker 3: was just one guy that he has a thing against it.

14:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, but if it turned out he's the one responsible

14:59 Speaker 2: for the attack, I mean, that's a heel thing to do.

15:01 Speaker 2: That's that you know, a baby face wouldn't do that.

15:04 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's true, that's true.

15:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is but it is risky there, there's

15:08 Speaker 2: there's always a risk to it. But but the shock

15:10 Speaker 2: of it would be a lot of fun.

15:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're gonna if you're gonna make a heel turn, listen,

15:15 Speaker 3: don't be like, don't do to Cody like you did

15:18 Speaker 3: John Cena And just like eh merchandise is up, You're

15:21 Speaker 3: just gonna keep your face and face. No, turn him,

15:25 Speaker 3: turn him, if you're gonna do it, turn them.

15:27 Speaker 2: Yeah.

15:27 Speaker 3: I mean Cody even said he came out and said,

15:29 Speaker 3: the next contract you gets to WW is gonna be

15:31 Speaker 3: his last.

15:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know what, let's just do it, Just

15:35 Speaker 2: do it. Yeah, But what's it.

15:37 Speaker 3: Really gonna hurt? You know? Orton's on the end of

15:40 Speaker 3: his career, Cody's on the end of his career. Man

15:44 Speaker 3: love to see La Night win. I would love to

15:46 Speaker 3: see l A Night. I think he's overdue a push

15:49 Speaker 3: for so long. I love to see him against Drew.

15:53 Speaker 2: I would love to see it too, And I think

15:55 Speaker 2: most of the fans would love to see it. I

15:57 Speaker 2: just don't think they're going to. Did you watch well?

16:01 Speaker 2: So let me ask you this because it's has to

16:04 Speaker 2: do with my thought on La Night. Do you think

16:06 Speaker 2: they lost confidence in him? Because I assumed Did you

16:08 Speaker 2: watch WWE Unreal?

16:11 Speaker 1: No?

16:11 Speaker 3: I didn't.

16:12 Speaker 2: Oh you haven't seen it.

16:13 Speaker 3: Oh, I've seen. I've seen two episodes of the first season.

16:17 Speaker 3: I am so behind on that. Oh.

16:19 Speaker 2: Jenny and I ended up binge watching it because it's

16:21 Speaker 2: so good and I know a lot of it. There's

16:23 Speaker 2: a lot of negativity negativity online toward that show, and

16:26 Speaker 2: I don't quite understand it. I think it's I think

16:28 Speaker 2: it's fantastic. I know, I know a lot of the

16:30 Speaker 2: podcasters don't like it. James Romero hates it. I think

16:33 Speaker 2: it's really good. But but there's a moment you might

16:37 Speaker 2: be aware of this. There's there is a moment where,

16:39 Speaker 2: because when they did money in the bank, l A.

16:41 Speaker 2: Knight apparently made a mistake and it screwed up the

16:45 Speaker 2: ending of the match. And there's a scene in Unreal

16:49 Speaker 2: where Triple H is kind of telling l. A. Knight, Look,

16:52 Speaker 2: you really mess this up. Here's what was supposed to happen.

16:54 Speaker 2: I don't know what you were thinking, that kind of thing.

16:57 Speaker 2: And so it has a lot of people speculating that

16:59 Speaker 2: they may have confidence in L. A. Night and that's

17:02 Speaker 2: why he remains He's always like on the edge of

17:05 Speaker 2: being in main events, but he never quite quite gets

17:08 Speaker 2: that push all the way to the top. And uh

17:11 Speaker 2: and and the speculation that that might be why Eric

17:14 Speaker 2: Pilch and Austin and I we talked about it on

17:16 Speaker 2: Touff Bumps recently. You know that that may be the reason.

17:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of politics to go on behind

17:23 Speaker 3: the scenes too, whether you get a push or not.

17:25 Speaker 3: And you know, my my question has always been listening.

17:27 Speaker 3: He's over with the crowd. You know, we enjoy I

17:30 Speaker 3: enjoy his matches. I think he has a love of athleticism.

17:33 Speaker 3: He's not a typical three moves of doom type of person.

17:37 Speaker 3: You know, he's got he he he's got a good finisher.

17:41 Speaker 3: Why are we not pushing him?

17:42 Speaker 1: What?

17:42 Speaker 3: What? What's the what's the hold up? What's going on?

17:45 Speaker 3: And stuff like that behind the scenes when you're not

17:48 Speaker 3: cooperating with what was supposed to be planned, and they're

17:51 Speaker 3: kind of like saying, you know what the deal is, Yeah,

17:54 Speaker 3: that can hold you back, That really can't so uh

17:57 Speaker 3: And and to backtrack, listen, Unreal is for the person

18:01 Speaker 3: that kind of wants to see what's going on. Paul

18:05 Speaker 3: Haymon's come out and says he absolutely hates it.

18:07 Speaker 2: He says it right on the show.

18:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, he hates it because it's literally, you're pulling

18:13 Speaker 3: the curtain way too far back and that's supposed to

18:15 Speaker 3: be kept sacred, right and steam punk kind of feels

18:18 Speaker 3: the same way a little bit, he said. He he

18:20 Speaker 3: refused to do a couple of things that they asked

18:22 Speaker 3: him to do or he asked them to cut it

18:24 Speaker 3: out or something like that. So yeah, it is really

18:28 Speaker 3: one of those things where it it polarizes the industry

18:32 Speaker 3: a little bit because it's like, you know, a lot

18:35 Speaker 3: of people are against it and listen to what's kept

18:38 Speaker 3: behind that curtain, should be kept behind that curtain?

18:41 Speaker 2: M out Yeah, I love all that stuff even you know,

18:46 Speaker 2: even if but see, I would enjoy that show even

18:49 Speaker 2: if it didn't pull back the curtain as much. But

18:52 Speaker 2: it just kind of showed you behind the scenes how

18:54 Speaker 2: things work, you know, and gorilla position and everything. You know,

18:58 Speaker 2: even if they even if they didn't give anything away really,

19:00 Speaker 2: even if it was a little bit more k fame,

19:02 Speaker 2: but still it showed you kind of kind of just

19:05 Speaker 2: how things work behind the scenes. I would still even

19:08 Speaker 2: find that really fascinating, just because I love that kind

19:10 Speaker 2: of stuff anyway. I always have.

19:12 Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, who do you think of when you

19:15 Speaker 3: see Drew McIntyre on camera? You think of him as,

19:20 Speaker 3: you think of him as not a nice guy, you

19:24 Speaker 3: and now you take a look behind the scenes and

19:27 Speaker 3: it's like, oh, well, you know he's he's he's a

19:31 Speaker 3: loving husband, father or whatever they whatever he is, you know,

19:34 Speaker 3: and you know he's actually gotta got a human side

19:37 Speaker 3: to him, right, you know, say, you know the same

19:40 Speaker 3: thing with Solo Socoa Solo was you know, just he's

19:43 Speaker 3: he's a he's a bad guy, but you know, behind

19:45 Speaker 3: the scenes, you know, he's got a family, just like

19:47 Speaker 3: everybody else does, you know, And and and that's that's

19:51 Speaker 3: the way, you know, you need to take a look

19:54 Speaker 3: at I mean, a lot of people, they they want

19:57 Speaker 3: just the image on TV, so they can generally hate

20:01 Speaker 3: somebody or like somebody based on what they see on

20:03 Speaker 3: the camera. But I think you know, there's a lot

20:07 Speaker 3: more people that know that, listen, this is a character.

20:10 Speaker 3: Yeah it's not really them, right, But you know, but

20:16 Speaker 3: what does that do to the character that now it's

20:19 Speaker 3: kind of like a little bit clouded? Do I cheer

20:21 Speaker 3: for him or do I do I hate him? Because

20:25 Speaker 3: you know who they are behind the scenes and how

20:27 Speaker 3: they are as a real person, but they're playing a

20:30 Speaker 3: bad guy.

20:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to me, it doesn't bother me, It

20:34 Speaker 2: never has. I compartmentalize it pretty easily because I just

20:37 Speaker 2: look at it the same way I look at anything else.

20:38 Speaker 2: You know, they're they're they're actors, so so I you know,

20:43 Speaker 2: I'm not the slightest bit bothered by seeing, you know,

20:46 Speaker 2: somebody like Drew McIntyre who's supposed to be a bad guy.

20:49 Speaker 2: You know, when I when I see him outside in

20:51 Speaker 2: a different context and it turns out he's actually a

20:53 Speaker 2: nice guy, it's like, well, yeah, I actually kind of

20:55 Speaker 2: assumed that already. I assume he's not the character that

20:58 Speaker 2: he plays on television, just like with that anything else.

21:00 Speaker 2: So it's it's never bothered me.

21:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. You still have you still have these

21:06 Speaker 3: simple minded people who are just getting into wrestling thinking,

21:09 Speaker 3: oh my god, well, why are they allowed to do

21:12 Speaker 3: that called the cop?

21:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, relax, it's a show. Yes, yes, oh my word.

21:20 Speaker 3: They said wrestling was fake. This looks so real. It's

21:23 Speaker 3: fake because the outcomes are predetermined.

21:26 Speaker 2: It is weird to me, though, that in the year

21:28 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, because as a wrestling fan, I've been

21:31 Speaker 2: dealing with this my whole life. And I'm sure you

21:33 Speaker 2: have two as every wrestling fan has. Even today, I'll

21:38 Speaker 2: have a conversation with someone who doesn't like wrestling and

21:41 Speaker 2: they will say to me, well, you know, it's all fake, right,

21:45 Speaker 2: It's like, no kidding, Really.

21:49 Speaker 3: It's scripted.

21:50 Speaker 2: It's scripted entertainment. Wow, No, I thought it was all real.

21:54 Speaker 2: I also thought Star Trek was real. I thought it

21:56 Speaker 2: was a documentary about going into outer space. I thought

22:00 Speaker 2: of Thrones were real. I thought those dragons were real dragons. Like,

22:03 Speaker 2: it's so insulting. It's like because when somebody says that

22:07 Speaker 2: to me, to me, it's like, what they're really saying

22:09 Speaker 2: is either they think I'm an idiot or or they

22:12 Speaker 2: they just or they just look down on something that

22:15 Speaker 2: I happen to, Like it's just because they don't like it.

22:19 Speaker 3: What's the sacond one? It's yeah, they're not calling you

22:23 Speaker 3: an idiot. I think it's them they're being idiots. It's

22:26 Speaker 3: it's like, you really think that we don't know. You

22:31 Speaker 3: really think we don't know? Oh, yes, we know they're

22:34 Speaker 3: going through tables and yes, how do you prevent that

22:37 Speaker 3: from being fake? What is it?

22:39 Speaker 2: AI?

22:41 Speaker 3: It's table to AI. This is just a character that's

22:44 Speaker 3: that's dropping on tails. It's really a big mattress pad

22:47 Speaker 3: that they fall. We know that they listen. It's it's

22:52 Speaker 3: fake to a point. Listen, you get bumps and bruises.

22:55 Speaker 3: That's the reason why there's injuries.

22:57 Speaker 2: Now, the injuries are real.

22:59 Speaker 3: You are taking risk, but it is calculated risks.

23:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not.

23:06 Speaker 3: We're not gonna throw somebody off of still cage and

23:08 Speaker 3: they're gonna land on concrete. No, there's gonna be something

23:11 Speaker 3: to break the fall. So there's not a serious injury, right,

23:13 Speaker 3: you know, it's it's that point there is still bumps

23:16 Speaker 3: and bruises, you know, it's people still deal with pain.

23:21 Speaker 2: Yeah. I may have told this story. I know I've told.

23:27 Speaker 2: I can't remember who I've told this story to and

23:29 Speaker 2: who I haven't, So I don't know if listeners have

23:31 Speaker 2: heard this yet or have heard this before, or if

23:33 Speaker 2: you have. Charles. But when I was a kid, so

23:38 Speaker 2: I had a friend who really looked down on wrestling,

23:40 Speaker 2: and we're having a conversation about it and uh, and

23:42 Speaker 2: he pulled that with me. He's like, well, you know

23:44 Speaker 2: it's fake, right, And I'm like, yeah, I know obviously,

23:47 Speaker 2: even when I was a kid, I mean I knew,

23:48 Speaker 2: I understood it was scripted entertainment. And I remember he

23:51 Speaker 2: said to me, he goes, well, if there's a if,

23:55 Speaker 2: it's all if it's all predetermined. Where's the integrity in it?

23:58 Speaker 2: That's literally what he said to me, where's the integrity?

24:00 Speaker 2: And I knew about him, And there's by the way,

24:04 Speaker 2: there's a horrible irony to what I'm about to say,

24:07 Speaker 2: But this is how the conversation went. I said to

24:10 Speaker 2: him because I knew he was a fan of the

24:11 Speaker 2: Cosby Show. So I said to him, I said, well,

24:15 Speaker 2: you like the Cosby Show, right, and he goes yeah,

24:17 Speaker 2: And I said, well, did you know that that's all fake?

24:21 Speaker 2: Did you know that Cliff Huxtable, that his name is

24:25 Speaker 2: an actually Cliff Huxtable, and that it's really Bill Cosby

24:28 Speaker 2: and he's an actor and that's not a real family.

24:32 Speaker 2: They're all actors and they're just pretending. Where's the integrity

24:35 Speaker 2: in the Cosby Now? Of course, again, what we know

24:37 Speaker 2: about Bill Cosby today, that's the part that makes it

24:40 Speaker 2: horribly ironic, uncomfortably so, actually, But we didn't know that.

24:44 Speaker 2: But I just remember saying that to him. It's like, yeah, well,

24:46 Speaker 2: where's the integrity in the Cosby Show? That's all fake?

24:49 Speaker 2: You know, it's all scripted, you know, But but again,

24:52 Speaker 2: you know, and that was when I was a kid

24:54 Speaker 2: and you know, here we are in twenty twenty six

24:55 Speaker 2: and people still come at us with that, and it's like, yeah,

24:58 Speaker 2: we know, it's fun.

25:00 Speaker 3: It's just it's just now, it's it's the circle of life.

25:03 Speaker 3: It's the circle of disbelief. That's what it is. You

25:06 Speaker 3: got these new new kids that are like it's fake,

25:09 Speaker 3: you know, yeah, And and you know what, in twenty years,

25:12 Speaker 3: it's gonna be the same thing. It's gonna be the

25:14 Speaker 3: same thing. But hopefully by then, maybe we you know,

25:21 Speaker 3: evolve from these apes of people that you know, would

25:25 Speaker 3: would like we would go to humans to understand that

25:29 Speaker 3: this is all entertainment. It's all it is. But it's fun.

25:33 Speaker 3: It's fun, just like you know, you ladies out there

25:35 Speaker 3: like your soap operas. You realize that Salem is not

25:38 Speaker 3: really a place. It's based on a place, but it's

25:41 Speaker 3: not really a place.

25:42 Speaker 2: Salem.

25:44 Speaker 3: Oh, I don't even know if it's Salem. Master. I

25:46 Speaker 3: think my wife says, like Illinois, they they they're based

25:49 Speaker 3: in Salem, Illinois. What day of our lives?

25:51 Speaker 2: Oh, days of our lives?

25:52 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, you know it's like, you know, you got

25:56 Speaker 3: the I just love this, I love it. I don't

26:00 Speaker 3: watch it, trust me. But I've seen things that she

26:03 Speaker 3: watches on that soap opera. Literally, if there's like a

26:06 Speaker 3: fight and there they're holding some hostage at gunpoint, that

26:10 Speaker 3: gun point last for five episodes.

26:13 Speaker 2: Well yeah, you got to fill five.

26:17 Speaker 3: Where you gonna pull the trigger or lose control? What's

26:20 Speaker 3: going on here?

26:21 Speaker 2: Well well, yes, yeah, soap operas are paced a little

26:24 Speaker 2: differently than a weekly show because it's on five days

26:26 Speaker 2: a week. And I understand that because you know, I

26:29 Speaker 2: like I I grew up watching General Hospital.

26:32 Speaker 3: Uh.

26:32 Speaker 2: I blame that on my mother. She got me hooked

26:34 Speaker 2: on it one summer. And but but the thing is, yeah,

26:37 Speaker 2: well the thing is though General Hospital had and still

26:40 Speaker 2: does from what I understand to this day. You know,

26:43 Speaker 2: it had it had all the tropes of a soap opera,

26:46 Speaker 2: but it also had like this really strong action adventure

26:49 Speaker 2: element to it, you know, with with Russian spies and

26:55 Speaker 2: mob stories and you know, so uh so that's why,

26:58 Speaker 2: even as a little boy, I was able to get

27:01 Speaker 2: hooked into into that. But it also it's worth noting

27:06 Speaker 2: that some of those same elements about General Hospital are

27:11 Speaker 2: probably some of the same elements that got me hooked

27:13 Speaker 2: on wrestling. Because wrestling, so much of that is, you know,

27:17 Speaker 2: inspired by In terms of the storytelling soap operas.

27:20 Speaker 3: It is a soap opera is a male action soap

27:24 Speaker 3: opera that involves guys dressed in tights fighting each other

27:28 Speaker 3: in a ten by ten ring. Yes, and women too,

27:31 Speaker 3: speaking of those, Speaking of those athletes and tights, let's

27:35 Speaker 3: go over the matches tonight, Yes, yes, please, obviously I

27:38 Speaker 3: want to go ahead and get your picks as well

27:41 Speaker 3: as mine. Okay, it's gonna be a little odd to

27:44 Speaker 3: pick these because we're not picking one on ones. It

27:48 Speaker 3: will least for two of them. It's going to be

27:50 Speaker 3: which one of the five or six do you think

27:53 Speaker 3: is going to walk out of here? Okay, we already

27:55 Speaker 3: kind of you know, mentioned a little bit about the

27:57 Speaker 3: men's Cody, Javon Night, Logan, Randy, and Trick.

28:03 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's gonna be Cody.

28:05 Speaker 3: I I do too, But you know, if I had

28:09 Speaker 3: to go ahead and man, yeah, I after you told

28:13 Speaker 3: me what happened on Unreal, I don't think they have

28:16 Speaker 3: Ellie Knight doing it, and I think Trick and Javan

28:19 Speaker 3: they're too young right now. Yeah, Yeah, it's gonna come

28:22 Speaker 3: down to the two older people. When I really hope

28:26 Speaker 3: they fool us. I really hope they fool us and

28:28 Speaker 3: they go ahead and do Night or they do Javan.

28:31 Speaker 2: I really hope so yeah.

28:33 Speaker 3: But yeah, if I'm gonna put if I'm gonna have

28:35 Speaker 3: to put money on, it's Cody. Yeah, it's sad to say, and.

28:39 Speaker 2: It's definitely not gonna be Javan. They're not gonna be

28:42 Speaker 2: He's not gonna be in the main event of WrestleMania already.

28:44 Speaker 2: But he's got a long career ahead of him. He's

28:46 Speaker 2: got plenty of time, and so does Trick.

28:49 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if Logan. I'm seriously if the

28:53 Speaker 3: Vision gets involved, even though it's a cage match, you

28:56 Speaker 3: never know that that still hasn't stopped people from getting involved. Yeah,

29:02 Speaker 3: Logan would be my outside choice.

29:04 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, it would be interesting for.

29:07 Speaker 3: The women's here's what we got the lineup his Oscar,

29:10 Speaker 3: Alexa Bliss, Keana James, where Calvidriguez, Rhea and Tiffany Stratton.

29:18 Speaker 2: I think it's going to be Ria Ripley. You think so, Yeah,

29:23 Speaker 2: they want to get her into a women's main event, Yeah,

29:26 Speaker 2: I think so. Yeah.

29:28 Speaker 3: And another spoil she dropped the tag team titles to

29:31 Speaker 3: uh Nia Jackson Lash legend really stupid? Oh wow he

29:39 Speaker 3: lost last night?

29:40 Speaker 2: Okay, what happened after the uh and again spoiler alert,

29:44 Speaker 2: But so what happened after the match, because what I

29:47 Speaker 2: assume where they're going long term is, you know, Ria

29:51 Speaker 2: Ripley and E O. Sky obviously are very very buddy buddy,

29:53 Speaker 2: but eventually there is going to be a split. I'm

29:56 Speaker 2: curious what happens after the match. Did anything happen after

29:59 Speaker 2: the MA between them?

30:01 Speaker 3: I was reading it. I didn't watch it, but I

30:03 Speaker 3: was reading it at the time, the timetable of the blog. Uh,

30:07 Speaker 3: nothing exciting happened afterwards. They just celebrated.

30:11 Speaker 2: Okay, nothing happened between Io and Rhea, right, gotcha?

30:15 Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, I kind of see Ria, But you

30:19 Speaker 3: know what, Tiffany came back from injury. I think she

30:22 Speaker 3: wants to take back her her rightful spot.

30:24 Speaker 2: There could be I could see that too. I could

30:26 Speaker 2: see them going with Tiffany Stratton.

30:28 Speaker 3: I'll go ahead and put my put my dollars on Tiffany.

30:32 Speaker 2: It's not going to be Alexa Bliss. It's obviously it's

30:34 Speaker 2: certainly not going to be a Keana James, uh who else?

30:40 Speaker 2: It's not gonna be It's not gonna be Oscar.

30:43 Speaker 3: Saying it should be nice though Alexa Bliss has been

30:47 Speaker 3: waiting a long time too since she came back.

30:50 Speaker 2: True, it's not gonna be her, though, I'd be very surprised.

30:52 Speaker 2: I think it's going to be either uh Tiffany Stratton

30:55 Speaker 2: or uh Riha Ripley one one one of one of

30:59 Speaker 2: those two.

31:00 Speaker 3: I'll take Tiffany's my horse.

31:02 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right.

31:05 Speaker 3: One of the two singles matches that is booked, This

31:09 Speaker 3: one here is for the Women's Intercontinental Championship. Is Becky

31:12 Speaker 3: and AJ first singles match for AJ in over ten years. Yeah,

31:19 Speaker 3: against the greatest of all time. It's not just me

31:23 Speaker 3: saying it, it's What's Illustrated saying it's.

31:25 Speaker 2: Meg TV saying the Bleacher Report says it.

31:29 Speaker 3: I'm so done with everybody else to say it. Oh

31:32 Speaker 3: my god, you're annoying as hell.

31:36 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Okay, Charles, hold on, we got to

31:38 Speaker 2: talk about this. I love Becky Lynch's promos. Yeah, oh

31:44 Speaker 2: my god. I have never been such a fan of

31:46 Speaker 2: Becky Lynch as I am right now. I love her

31:49 Speaker 2: promos I love when she does. That whole thing is

31:51 Speaker 2: not just me saying it's Sports Illustrated says it. I

31:53 Speaker 2: I Becky Lynch as a heel, and by the way,

31:57 Speaker 2: I only as a heel. As a baby face. I

32:00 Speaker 2: think she's dull as dirt, but as a heel I

32:03 Speaker 2: love I could. I wouldn't care if they just let

32:05 Speaker 2: her go out and talk for twenty minutes. I love

32:09 Speaker 2: everything she's doing as a heel right now. But it

32:11 Speaker 2: sounds like you're you're over it. Did you want to

32:14 Speaker 2: know the reason why I hate her promos? Why?

32:17 Speaker 3: It's just I cannot stand the stuttering. I cannot say

32:23 Speaker 3: it is a minor thing.

32:24 Speaker 2: Well, it's not. She doesn't stutter. She stammers.

32:27 Speaker 3: Well you know what I'm talking about.

32:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's just people sometimes people say stutter when

32:30 Speaker 2: they mean stammer. Yeah.

32:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a stammer. We'll do that.

32:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

32:34 Speaker 3: But I can't stand it. I really, It's just it

32:37 Speaker 3: makes your sound really dumb, really like she doesn't know

32:41 Speaker 3: what she's talking about. But it's just like, you know,

32:45 Speaker 3: I kind of listen. AJ since she's came back has

32:50 Speaker 3: blown her away in every shape and form. She's kept

32:54 Speaker 3: it funny, comical, and she puts it. Oh man, she

32:59 Speaker 3: lays down facts.

33:00 Speaker 4: Oh it's that's just a fantastic, amazing on the mic. Oh,

33:04 Speaker 4: I agree, I agree. So, but coming back one on

33:10 Speaker 4: one match after ten years, no, I don't.

33:15 Speaker 3: See it, No, no much. I'd love AJ to go

33:17 Speaker 3: ahead and just take that title and make a run.

33:20 Speaker 3: I gotta put Becky on that, especially especially if Seth

33:28 Speaker 3: Rollins in that crate.

33:30 Speaker 2: You think it's Seth Rollins in the crate.

33:32 Speaker 3: I don't think it's uh Jericho because Jericho is still

33:35 Speaker 3: in the contract.

33:36 Speaker 2: Well, there's a rumor that it's Dan Housen, which would

33:38 Speaker 2: make sense, and I hope it is.

33:40 Speaker 3: That's another room. I actually, I actually, while I was

33:42 Speaker 3: waiting to get on the air, I went ahead in

33:45 Speaker 3: and a hide the question who is in the air.

33:50 Speaker 3: It came down it's either Chris Jericho, Dan Housen, Seth

33:54 Speaker 3: Rollins or Bianca Belle Air.

33:57 Speaker 2: It's not gonna beyond.

33:59 Speaker 3: There is the rumors of a person named Evil from

34:04 Speaker 3: New Japan.

34:06 Speaker 2: Well that would be a letdown. Nobody. Nobody's gonna know

34:08 Speaker 2: who that is.

34:09 Speaker 3: Nobody. Yeah, I think that's way out there. Yeah, so

34:11 Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be wouldn't be these four? I

34:14 Speaker 3: weiy these three now, Dan Housen, seth Rollins, Bianca Beler.

34:17 Speaker 3: I think they originally wanted Jericho in there, Yeah, but

34:20 Speaker 3: then they found out it's contracts frozen. Which how do

34:23 Speaker 3: you not know that when you make these plans and

34:26 Speaker 3: sign them under contract?

34:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, well unless somebody put that out there deliberately to

34:30 Speaker 2: throw us, because Jericho is a master of that. But

34:34 Speaker 2: but we don't even know. It might not be a

34:35 Speaker 2: person in the crate. It might be something an object

34:38 Speaker 2: in the crate that refers to the person who will

34:40 Speaker 2: then come out on stage. But if, but if, if

34:43 Speaker 2: someone literally emerges from the crate, it's probably Dan Housen. Yeah,

34:48 Speaker 2: and I hope so because that would be awesome because

34:51 Speaker 2: I've only seen a little bit of Dan Housen's work

34:52 Speaker 2: in aw but the little bit that I've seen I loved.

34:55 Speaker 2: He's fantastic. I hope it's Dan Housen, all right.

34:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of looking forward to that. I haven't

35:01 Speaker 3: seen much of him, so yeah, but yeah, if he's

35:05 Speaker 3: half as incredible as I heard, yeah, then yeah, it

35:07 Speaker 3: would be nice to see.

35:08 Speaker 2: He's a lot of fun. That would be fun anyway.

35:11 Speaker 3: I got Becky on this match.

35:13 Speaker 2: Yeah me too, Me too say.

35:16 Speaker 3: And finally this match, which I kind of think is

35:19 Speaker 3: just a fluffer match really for seeing Punk Punk and Balor.

35:23 Speaker 3: I don't see Balo winning and him being the headline

35:29 Speaker 3: for WrestleMania, although I've gone back and forth and thinking

35:34 Speaker 3: see him. Punk has always wanted to headline WrestleMania. He

35:37 Speaker 3: did it last year. He's not as selfish as he

35:40 Speaker 3: once was before. Right, He's actually come back and helped

35:44 Speaker 3: out a lot of people. He's willing to go ahead

35:45 Speaker 3: and take bumps for people. He might do this because

35:50 Speaker 3: Finn Bauer earned it. He may drop the title for him.

35:55 Speaker 3: So Finn and Roman Reigns going at it.

35:58 Speaker 2: That's a problem, no, okay?

35:59 Speaker 3: So well, I mean they could always and this is

36:03 Speaker 3: what I said on my on the other show, I'm on,

36:06 Speaker 3: they can always pivot like they pivoted if with WrestleMania

36:12 Speaker 3: forty when it was supposed to be Rains against the

36:15 Speaker 3: Rock and everybody chanted Cody, you know, and Cody should

36:19 Speaker 3: make the decision. Blah blah blah. They can always pivot

36:22 Speaker 3: like they did. Then they can put the title on

36:25 Speaker 3: Finn and they got a month and a half before WrestleMania.

36:30 Speaker 3: They can get him rematch somewhere in there where Finn

36:33 Speaker 3: drops it again.

36:34 Speaker 2: That's a rumor that's out there. I hate that idea,

36:38 Speaker 2: and i'll tell you why I don't. First of all,

36:40 Speaker 2: I don't want anything interrupting the build between Roman Reigns

36:45 Speaker 2: and Sampot because that first face to face promo that

36:49 Speaker 2: they did was fire. I loved that promo. The other

36:55 Speaker 2: they can fight, I know. But the other problem but no,

37:00 Speaker 2: actually yet, well not at WrestleMania, because then it's going

37:03 Speaker 2: to be Roman Reigns versus Finn Balor if Baler's the champion.

37:06 Speaker 2: The other problem I have is I really don't like

37:09 Speaker 2: the idea of Balor wins the belt and then see

37:12 Speaker 2: him punk wins it back sometime between now and WrestleMania.

37:15 Speaker 2: Then you're hot shotting the title. I really don't like that.

37:18 Speaker 2: That's something I hated during the Attitude era, and I

37:22 Speaker 2: don't want to see it now. So I don't like

37:26 Speaker 2: that idea. I think what happens is Balor loses again,

37:30 Speaker 2: but he's clearly on his way I think to a

37:32 Speaker 2: to a full on baby face turn, and I think

37:36 Speaker 2: he will lose again. I think he will be humble

37:38 Speaker 2: about it and that will be his face turn and

37:40 Speaker 2: he'll he'll go back to being a babyface. That's what

37:43 Speaker 2: I think is gonna happen.

37:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've definitely seen the writing on the wall there

37:46 Speaker 3: where Finn is. Just listen, I don't need you guys.

37:50 Speaker 3: You know I want to do this alone. Yeah, let

37:52 Speaker 3: me do it while on what you know that that's

37:54 Speaker 3: the sign of a heel a face turn right there. Yeah,

37:58 Speaker 3: but yeah, I just let's see. Here's the thing. He's

38:02 Speaker 3: doing everything that Punk is telling him to do. You

38:06 Speaker 3: would think doing what he says that would make him champion. Dude,

38:13 Speaker 3: I don't know, man, It's it's tough. It's the heart

38:18 Speaker 3: wants to see Finn with the championship, but the timing

38:22 Speaker 3: right now is just not there yet. So I'm gonna

38:27 Speaker 3: go ahead and say Punk is gonna win. Yeah, Punk

38:29 Speaker 3: will win at Mania, and then Finn will get another

38:32 Speaker 3: chance at after Mania. Hm.

38:35 Speaker 2: Maybe, but I am. I am intrigued to see where

38:38 Speaker 2: they're going with Finn Balor. But but I don't think

38:42 Speaker 2: he wins the I don't think he wins the title tonight.

38:44 Speaker 2: Uh what what did you think of the promo? But

38:47 Speaker 2: between uh punk and Roman reigns.

38:49 Speaker 3: Oh, I agree with you. It was spot on fire.

38:52 Speaker 3: It was it was a volcano erupting on both ends.

38:55 Speaker 3: I loved it. I mean just to the point of,

38:59 Speaker 3: you know, is like I picked you because I hate you, yep,

39:02 Speaker 3: And this is gonna be the best ne of my

39:04 Speaker 3: life because I'm just gonna go ahead and beat you,

39:06 Speaker 3: to give you the beating you deserve. And am I

39:09 Speaker 3: take back my title? Blah blah blah. You know, I'm

39:13 Speaker 3: just waiting and waiting for the tribal chief to have

39:18 Speaker 3: a tribe again.

39:19 Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

39:20 Speaker 3: He hasn't had one yet. Yeah, And I think that's

39:23 Speaker 3: kind of I think somewhere along the line, I think

39:26 Speaker 3: it does come to where we finally get all the

39:30 Speaker 3: Samoans in line. I think we get fought too, we

39:34 Speaker 3: get the usos. I don't see Solo coming back on there.

39:37 Speaker 3: I think he's got his MFTs, which I will. I

39:40 Speaker 3: will go ahead and tell you I like Solo as

39:43 Speaker 3: that gangster, a gangster ither two.

39:47 Speaker 2: Jenny's commented on that too, that he's really grown in

39:50 Speaker 2: the role. I have a problem. I have a problem

39:52 Speaker 2: though with the MFT gimmick. I hate the face paint.

39:58 Speaker 2: It makes them, It makes them look like juggalos. This

40:03 Speaker 2: isn't this isn't supposed to be ICP. It's supposed to

40:06 Speaker 2: be MFT. It looks ridiculous on them, especially on Tomatonga.

40:11 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why, because the great thing about

40:13 Speaker 2: Tomatonga is he's got a very expressive face and why

40:17 Speaker 2: would you want to hide it under all that makeup

40:20 Speaker 2: so much of what like, so much of what his

40:23 Speaker 2: character is is you know, he's got that weird sound

40:26 Speaker 2: that he makes, but also just his facial expressions that

40:29 Speaker 2: that's what makes him compelling as Tomatonga. And then you

40:32 Speaker 2: slap all that makeup on him and he covers his

40:35 Speaker 2: face and it looks I know, And I did read

40:39 Speaker 2: online that I guess that he and Tongala they wore

40:43 Speaker 2: the war paint when they were the Gorillas of Destiny

40:47 Speaker 2: in Japan. I just I just think it looks awful.

40:51 Speaker 2: I think they look ridiculous. I think it's they look

40:55 Speaker 2: like Juggalos. And again, no disrespect to the Juggalos. I

40:59 Speaker 2: played in a band one where we actually had some

41:00 Speaker 2: jugglers who were into us. So whatever, I'm.

41:05 Speaker 3: Laughing not has mean disagree. I actually can agree with

41:08 Speaker 3: you on that, but it's it's it's given them the identity.

41:13 Speaker 3: It really is that, you know, granted call them, you know,

41:16 Speaker 3: they look like jugglers, whatever the case may be, Juggles

41:19 Speaker 3: is still pretty. They're pretty bad Like that isn't good. Okay,

41:24 Speaker 3: I was gonna use you know, I was gonna use

41:26 Speaker 3: bad a, but you know we're in FM. You can

41:29 Speaker 3: say badass. That's not a problem. Bad ass. They're badasses.

41:33 Speaker 3: So that the paint, I don't think, like, you know,

41:37 Speaker 3: lowers their standard. I think it's just it is a

41:40 Speaker 3: look that they're going for.

41:42 Speaker 2: It's so bad. I think it looks so silly, like

41:45 Speaker 2: cringe when I say, it's like, what are you guys doing?

41:51 Speaker 3: They need they need I like this whole thing that

41:54 Speaker 3: they're doing against with the Wyat sixes. There needs to

41:58 Speaker 3: be more. There needs to be more cond texting that

42:01 Speaker 3: and to some point where hopefully there's still time that

42:06 Speaker 3: there is like a five on five family versus family match.

42:14 Speaker 3: I'm kind of hoping for that.

42:15 Speaker 2: They haven't done that already.

42:16 Speaker 3: No, they they've done Tag Team Champ because the not

42:21 Speaker 3: the uh the sixers are still tag Team Champions. I

42:25 Speaker 3: guess so many times they've defended that, how many like one?

42:31 Speaker 3: It's like, come on man, it's like nobody's really doing

42:34 Speaker 3: anything about these tag team titles. That's the that's the

42:36 Speaker 3: one downfall I have with with WW. Right now, Jake

42:40 Speaker 3: Carghill has defended the title twice once twice something like that.

42:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, where is she?

42:46 Speaker 3: Then she's over here talking about how she is the

42:50 Speaker 3: b now WW.

42:52 Speaker 2: I love her promos though, I love her. I love

42:54 Speaker 2: her as a heel. She's fantastic as a heel.

42:56 Speaker 3: I love her, But the point is fight.

43:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to fight. That's okay. Though she's a heel.

43:03 Speaker 2: Heels are supposed to be a little bit cowardly, you know,

43:05 Speaker 2: to all time little bit.

43:06 Speaker 3: She is complete. Yeah, she's complete.

43:08 Speaker 2: Talk Yeah, loving her character though she she's believable too,

43:14 Speaker 2: Like when she delivers that line that we can't say

43:16 Speaker 2: on the air, she like you believe it, right, Like

43:21 Speaker 2: she's so good. She is so good.

43:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, promo wise, she's great. I keep hearing that she's

43:27 Speaker 3: really green. I mean I see her work. She's not

43:30 Speaker 3: that green.

43:31 Speaker 2: No, I think she gets a lot of unfair criticism.

43:35 Speaker 2: I've said I've said this from the beginning. I think

43:38 Speaker 2: she's better in the ring than she gets credit for.

43:40 Speaker 2: And I will also say she's improved a lot I had. Yeah,

43:45 Speaker 2: and she doesn't get the credit for it, though people

43:47 Speaker 2: online just crap all over. I think she's I think

43:49 Speaker 2: she's much better than she gets credit for.

43:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree, she she's she's cleaned up love. Listen.

43:56 Speaker 3: I've seen her in some of these matches before. Oh yeah,

44:01 Speaker 3: I've seen botches all over the place. Sure, I see

44:03 Speaker 3: just like things like, oh man, is she gonna get

44:05 Speaker 3: up after that?

44:07 Speaker 2: Uh?

44:07 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's and again, like we had mentioned before,

44:11 Speaker 3: fakeer real, this is real, It is calculated, real. You

44:15 Speaker 3: are trained to take these bumps in a certain way.

44:19 Speaker 3: And with Jade doing the stuff she was doing when

44:22 Speaker 3: she first got called up, which is why you saw

44:24 Speaker 3: her sporadically, you know why, because her behind was down

44:28 Speaker 3: there in the performance center trying to work on her craft. Right,

44:33 Speaker 3: you know I could see why AW got rid of her.

44:36 Speaker 3: I mean, with the little the little integrity they have

44:40 Speaker 3: over there, a w Yeah, they needed they need to

44:43 Speaker 3: go ahead and just say all right, we can't have

44:45 Speaker 3: you injuring anybody else. Go get out of here, be gone.

44:49 Speaker 3: So but no, they they w W sees that the

44:52 Speaker 3: the talent there, and you know, they've worked with her,

44:55 Speaker 3: giving her chance after chance, and they saw something. That's

44:58 Speaker 3: why she was made Queen of the Ring, right, that's

45:00 Speaker 3: why she's currently a champion. Right.

45:05 Speaker 2: Oh, one other thing we had to wrap up soon.

45:07 Speaker 2: But just as we're talking about Jade Cargill and her

45:11 Speaker 2: being better than what she gets credit for, what do

45:13 Speaker 2: you think about Chelsea Green Because there's also been some

45:15 Speaker 2: controversy And again, I know you haven't watched the new

45:18 Speaker 2: season of Unreal, but one of the things that's come up,

45:20 Speaker 2: I'm sure you've seen the chatter about this online. You know,

45:22 Speaker 2: Michael Hayes kind of makes some comments in there indicating

45:26 Speaker 2: that Chelsea Green is you know, upper mid card, but

45:28 Speaker 2: that's kind of her ceiling. But she's you know, she's

45:30 Speaker 2: great at what she does. But but there's a lot

45:32 Speaker 2: of people who are saying, no, she should be in

45:33 Speaker 2: main events, like she's that good, she's that entertaining, and

45:38 Speaker 2: I tend to agree with that. I'm curious what you

45:39 Speaker 2: think because it seems to me everything she's ever been

45:42 Speaker 2: given to do, Chelsea Green, she knocks it out of

45:44 Speaker 2: the park. I mean, she's so good. And she's another

45:47 Speaker 2: example too of a heel. She's supposed to be a heel,

45:49 Speaker 2: but obviously the fans love her because she's so talented,

45:52 Speaker 2: and she's so good at everything she does, and she's

45:54 Speaker 2: so likable and funny. So I think she's I think

45:59 Speaker 2: she should be. I think she deserves a bigger push

46:02 Speaker 2: than she gets.

46:02 Speaker 3: What do you think There's a lot of people we

46:04 Speaker 3: could give pushes too that we want, right, we all

46:07 Speaker 3: thinking I should get a bigger push. You know, Chelsea Green,

46:10 Speaker 3: she You're right. She goes ahead and with what she

46:16 Speaker 3: has been given as the quote unquote you know president

46:19 Speaker 3: in her in her, the secret hervist, the hervest. Yes, yeah,

46:27 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm thinking, that's such a stupid name. But

46:30 Speaker 3: that it's like, you know what she's running with it.

46:33 Speaker 3: Let's go ahead. I get it, I get it.

46:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun and she's a heel, so it can

46:38 Speaker 2: be stupid.

46:39 Speaker 3: But here's the thing. I think she's been put into

46:42 Speaker 3: a position of she's on an island where she's goofy,

46:50 Speaker 3: and it's like, you know, you can't take a main

46:52 Speaker 3: event or that's goofy. That's the problem with that is

46:58 Speaker 3: you know you and to to kind of retrospect on

47:01 Speaker 3: everything you take. You take like the Olsen Twins, there

47:05 Speaker 3: were child actresses. Yeah, you can't seriously as an adult

47:08 Speaker 3: actresses anymore, even though they're not coming back, but still

47:11 Speaker 3: you can't take them seriously. Yeah, they're always gonna be

47:15 Speaker 3: labeled child actresses. So are you gonna cast them in

47:19 Speaker 3: a leading role? No? Chelsea Green is put into this

47:23 Speaker 3: category unfortunately that she is a goofy, goofy character.

47:30 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think with a little bit of creativity, though,

47:32 Speaker 2: I think they could.

47:33 Speaker 3: She needs yes, and she needs to basically have her

47:36 Speaker 3: character redone. She can't go ahead with the harvest. She

47:40 Speaker 3: would have to be another another version of Chelsea Green

47:44 Speaker 3: to go ahead and make any type of serious move.

47:47 Speaker 2: I don't think it's so much another version as just

47:50 Speaker 2: take her, just evolve her in a way, maybe make

47:54 Speaker 2: her a little bit more serious, maybe maybe do a

47:56 Speaker 2: babyface turn.

47:58 Speaker 3: But but if you if you were to go ahead

48:00 Speaker 3: and be creative to Chelsea Green, how would you go

48:03 Speaker 3: ahead and pivot that baby face? I don't think would

48:05 Speaker 3: be enough.

48:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think I think they can get there.

48:09 Speaker 2: With her because I mean, it'd be worth taking the

48:11 Speaker 2: risk because, like I said, everything they've ever given her

48:14 Speaker 2: to do, she succeeds. Yeah, you know, I kind of

48:17 Speaker 2: I kind of think of her the way I used

48:18 Speaker 2: to think of Live Morgan, because for a long time,

48:20 Speaker 2: I would think, why isn't Live Morgan in main events?

48:23 Speaker 2: She's got everything, she is so good. I was saying

48:26 Speaker 2: this a couple of years ago and then but fortunately

48:29 Speaker 2: in the case of Live Morgan, they did finally figure

48:32 Speaker 2: it out, and now she's a main eventor and she's incredible.

48:35 Speaker 2: But she's she's kind of in that same category in

48:37 Speaker 2: my mind where I used to think Live Morgan. She's

48:40 Speaker 2: perpetually stuck in the mid card. But everything they've ever

48:43 Speaker 2: given her to do, she succeeds. She's so good, she's

48:47 Speaker 2: good at everything, promos or in ringwork, everything she does

48:51 Speaker 2: is so good. Why isn't she in main events? But

48:53 Speaker 2: she did get there.

48:54 Speaker 3: They got there with her, and she probably went ahead

48:57 Speaker 3: and voiced her opinion, and Chelsea Green may not be

49:00 Speaker 3: her opinion as much as she should.

49:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, who knows.

49:04 Speaker 3: So probably it's a lot of back at politics type stuff.

49:06 Speaker 3: That's probably where you're hearing all this.

49:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Charles, we are rapidly approaching the top of

49:13 Speaker 2: the hour. We got to go. But I appreciate you

49:15 Speaker 2: so much. It's always wonderful to speak with you. Great

49:17 Speaker 2: to have you on the show. And I know we

49:19 Speaker 2: do have you booked for another appearance coming up, but

49:22 Speaker 2: Elimination Chamber.

49:24 Speaker 3: What WrestleMania coming up? In a boy, I'm gonna come

49:27 Speaker 3: on on Saturday and we'll we'll talk both nights.

49:30 Speaker 2: Absolutely, No, I can't wait and tell us too before

49:34 Speaker 2: we go. So you've got, of course, the Charles Richardson Show,

49:36 Speaker 2: and you do a wrestling podcast, so go ahead and

49:38 Speaker 2: tell us about this.

49:40 Speaker 3: So my current show, the Charles Richardson Show, because of

49:43 Speaker 3: personal things I've had going on, has been on hiatus.

49:47 Speaker 3: When we return, we're going to be on Wednesday's eight

49:48 Speaker 3: to ten on Facebook. Okay, So just to go ahead

49:51 Speaker 3: and look us up on Facebook, the Charles Richardson Show,

49:55 Speaker 3: and also the Charles richardsonow on YouTube and the wrestling

49:59 Speaker 3: podcast that we have again no no, no trying affiliation

50:02 Speaker 3: with Tough Bumps. It's a little bit different of a

50:05 Speaker 3: show that we do. It is called the Josh Zodiac Podcast.

50:10 Speaker 3: Josh Sodiac is the one that hosts I am co

50:12 Speaker 3: hosting Okay, Bud. You can go ahead and find them

50:14 Speaker 3: on all social media platforms the Josh Zodiac podcast.

50:19 Speaker 2: Very good, very good, and while we're at it too,

50:21 Speaker 2: I will mention tough bumps. Of course, Eric and I

50:24 Speaker 2: will be on. Eric Pilcher and I and Austin Hicks

50:26 Speaker 2: usually joins us most weeks as well. We'll be on

50:30 Speaker 2: tomorrow night, Sunday night, I think at seven pm. No,

50:35 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, six pm Eastern. It changes every week, but

50:38 Speaker 2: you can find that of course on Facebook and YouTube

50:40 Speaker 2: and subscribe, like and subscribe, and subscribe on your podcast

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50:48 Speaker 2: because once we're off the air here, this goes up

50:50 Speaker 2: into the podcast dost sphere, and of course you can

50:52 Speaker 2: find it on the wmn H website and my website

50:55 Speaker 2: Matt Connorton dot com. But Charles again, thank you so much,

50:57 Speaker 2: my friend. Always great to talk to you, and I

51:00 Speaker 2: look forward to the next time.

51:01 Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

51:02 Speaker 2: Have a good one, all right, brother, you gotta take

51:03 Speaker 2: care