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3:43 Speaker 3: open up this week's Matt Connorton Unleashed and we did

3:48 Speaker 3: play that for a specific purpose which we will explain

3:51 Speaker 3: in just a few minutes.

3:52 Speaker 4: It's a big day, but welcome everybody.

3:54 Speaker 3: This is Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from

3:57 Speaker 3: the studios of w m n H ninety five point three,

4:00 Speaker 3: Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. And of course you can stream

4:03 Speaker 3: the show from anywhere. Go to Matt connorton dot com

4:05 Speaker 3: slash live for all of your live streaming options, social

4:08 Speaker 3: media links, contact and poshow archives, et cetera, et cetera.

4:12 Speaker 3: Today is Saturday, March seven, twenty twenty six, and I

4:15 Speaker 3: am not.

4:16 Speaker 4: Alone Jenny.

4:27 Speaker 5: Morning Sunshine.

4:29 Speaker 3: So Jenny is here of course at the news table.

4:32 Speaker 3: And uh oh, do you want to mention your your

4:35 Speaker 3: hat for those who are watching the video feed. You're

4:38 Speaker 3: not usually leaving on camera during the show. You you've

4:42 Speaker 3: been nowhere to but you're on your that's right. You

4:44 Speaker 3: know how to hide, but you're not hiding this week.

4:47 Speaker 5: I'm proud of my fee. Yes, I've been playing with

4:51 Speaker 5: perche uh huh, and yes it's my Norwegian hat.

4:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, very nice your faver color too. It is

4:59 Speaker 4: it is read. It is my favorite color. That is true.

5:02 Speaker 5: I have a lot of fun making and I'm actually

5:03 Speaker 5: making a few more just because they're fun to make.

5:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, very good, very good.

5:08 Speaker 3: So uh, we will talk about awaiting Abigail in a

5:10 Speaker 3: couple of minutes, but we should mentioned first, Uh the

5:15 Speaker 3: Mosaic of course, Mosaic Art Collective.

5:17 Speaker 5: My favorite gallery.

5:18 Speaker 3: You have yet another piece that is going to be

5:21 Speaker 3: shown in an upcoming show at Mosaic here in Manchester.

5:25 Speaker 5: Yes, women Wise is the next exhibit, and that is

5:29 Speaker 5: I'm proud to have a piece in it. This is

5:32 Speaker 5: one that they're actually have done in collaboration.

5:37 Speaker 4: Forgive me, is it it's it's Women's month? Right or

5:41 Speaker 4: what do we call it Women's month? For Women's month?

5:44 Speaker 5: Women's month?

5:44 Speaker 4: Isn't it Women's month? Isn't that?

5:46 Speaker 7: Why?

5:48 Speaker 4: Why word?

5:48 Speaker 2: Why?

5:49 Speaker 4: It's women's reason?

5:50 Speaker 5: That sounds odd to me.

5:51 Speaker 3: They said it last night during Sporting History months, Women's

5:55 Speaker 3: History months. It is probably there's there's so many months

6:00 Speaker 3: it is.

6:01 Speaker 5: And the woman Whise opening reception is coming up on Saturday,

6:05 Speaker 5: March fourteenth from five pm to seven pm. Please come

6:08 Speaker 5: by and see Matt and I. We will definitely be there.

6:11 Speaker 5: I am excited to be a part of this exhibit.

6:14 Speaker 5: It is about equality then and equality now. It's looking

6:20 Speaker 5: at women and the legacy of solidarity and self determination

6:25 Speaker 5: and the ongoing fight for justice. So it's an exciting

6:29 Speaker 5: show for certain. The Mosaic Art Collective work in conjunction

6:33 Speaker 5: with the Quality Health Center to bring this show forward,

6:38 Speaker 5: So it's gonna be really cool. It's gonna be really

6:40 Speaker 5: interesting to see it. I'm excited to see. It's always

6:44 Speaker 5: exciting and thrilling to get a piece into a durid show.

6:49 Speaker 5: It's a confidence booster there that I'm finding I'm achieving now.

6:53 Speaker 5: In the beginning, it was like, oh, my dad, they

6:55 Speaker 5: really would put something of mine on the wall. And

6:58 Speaker 5: I still have moments where I'll go in there and

7:00 Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, my painting doesn't belong to wah with

7:04 Speaker 5: these these are amazing. So there's there's a part of

7:07 Speaker 5: that that's it's like a part of yourself that you're

7:09 Speaker 5: putting on display. And in the last show uh They

7:15 Speaker 5: which was called Peaceful Rebellion, I had a particular piece

7:19 Speaker 5: up that was about healthcare justice and the Mosaic Art

7:23 Speaker 5: Collective actually did a video one of the one of

7:26 Speaker 5: the members there did a video about my painting and

7:31 Speaker 5: what they found intriguing about it and the things that

7:33 Speaker 5: caught their interest, and it was really amazing to see

7:36 Speaker 5: it through somebody else's side. So I highly encourage you

7:41 Speaker 5: to hear me. If you're an artist, definitely check out

7:44 Speaker 5: the Mosaic Art Collective. The next call is uh is.

7:49 Speaker 5: The next open call forgive me is called clear to Me,

7:54 Speaker 5: and this is a meditation on light and shadow and

7:58 Speaker 5: the quiet power of what surrounds the form. So it's

8:02 Speaker 5: playing with light and dark and shadows and so forth.

8:07 Speaker 5: The deadline to enter a piece is on March twentieth

8:10 Speaker 5: at twelve am, So think about focusing on negative spaces

8:16 Speaker 5: and balancing the light and the dark. And definitely, if

8:21 Speaker 5: you're an artist, please enter your work. It's not expensive

8:24 Speaker 5: and don't let money be a barrier. If you will

8:27 Speaker 5: have a piece and you want to enter, contact the gallery.

8:29 Speaker 5: There are ways for people to be able to get

8:31 Speaker 5: scholarships to enter in their pieces of work. If you

8:33 Speaker 5: want to enter in a piece, it's ten dollars. You

8:36 Speaker 5: can go right to the Mosaic Arcollective dot com and

8:38 Speaker 5: you can see there all of the calls when there's

8:42 Speaker 5: something open. It's super easy to put a piece in,

8:46 Speaker 5: easy to fill out form, just some basic information about

8:49 Speaker 5: it and you can put it in an artist statement

8:51 Speaker 5: if you want to, but you're not required to. It's

8:53 Speaker 5: optional and it's a great place to check out. Community

8:58 Speaker 5: wise too. Up Coming at the Mosaic Art Collection our

9:02 Speaker 5: collector excuse me right now, there's a show up called

9:05 Speaker 5: the Dshon Community Art Wall, and that is going to

9:08 Speaker 5: be on view for a little while longer. But I

9:11 Speaker 5: wanted to also share with you that they do events,

9:17 Speaker 5: not just putting pictures on the wall, but inviting you

9:20 Speaker 5: to come in to the gallery and be in a

9:24 Speaker 5: community environment having a studio. So they have community studio

9:29 Speaker 5: nights where you can join people who are you, bring

9:33 Speaker 5: something you're working on, or just show up. There's going

9:36 Speaker 5: to be some materials there. You can talk to other artists,

9:39 Speaker 5: check out what they're working on, and get feedback if

9:42 Speaker 5: you want, on what you're working on, maybe ask other

9:45 Speaker 5: people their opinions on things. So it's a great opportunity

9:48 Speaker 5: to be in community with other artists. The next one

9:51 Speaker 5: is coming up on March eighteenth, and that runs from

9:53 Speaker 5: five thirty pm to seven thirty pm, and I can

9:57 Speaker 5: tell you there are fifteen seats open at this moment.

10:01 Speaker 5: To sign up for that, you sign up through the

10:03 Speaker 5: mosaic Arcollective dot com website and always be aware that

10:09 Speaker 5: there are other things. Matt and I recently went there

10:11 Speaker 5: and we were part of a community event where they

10:15 Speaker 5: were talking about how art reflects humanity and how it

10:20 Speaker 5: connects into parts of our history to present day. And

10:25 Speaker 5: these three people really just tried to bring to life

10:28 Speaker 5: the things that encourage them to create art or give

10:32 Speaker 5: them a reason to. You know, some people like when

10:35 Speaker 5: I create. Now, some artists are professional artists, are creating

10:39 Speaker 5: works that they are wanting to sell perhaps or maybe

10:45 Speaker 5: something else. But for some of us, like for me,

10:47 Speaker 5: I'm just an amateur. I just like to create, and

10:51 Speaker 5: it's not about whether I'm gonna sell the painting or not.

10:54 Speaker 5: Like if I'm lucky to sell something that's amazing, I

10:56 Speaker 5: will say that it is amazing to have something sell

10:59 Speaker 5: off of the gallery walls and a portion of that

11:02 Speaker 5: goes back to the gallery, so it gives you a

11:04 Speaker 5: little bit more connection there. But just to be able

11:07 Speaker 5: to create something that's powerful or means something to you,

11:10 Speaker 5: or brings out something for you. So a lot for

11:13 Speaker 5: me is healthcare and advocacy and those are the you know,

11:17 Speaker 5: the things that I'm involved in are maybe helping people

11:20 Speaker 5: fight their insurance to get their treatments. That comes out

11:22 Speaker 5: in my art and as well as illness as well

11:26 Speaker 5: as being somebody who is never going to be healthy again.

11:29 Speaker 5: I have incurable ailments and that reflects into the art

11:34 Speaker 5: and when you connect to somebody else over it, it's

11:37 Speaker 5: really amazing. And we experience that with musicians.

11:40 Speaker 4: All the time, right, you know, we talk about that

11:43 Speaker 4: all the time on the show.

11:44 Speaker 5: Yeah, something that they say and how it connects into

11:47 Speaker 5: you and just brings you into that song and you

11:50 Speaker 5: have a deeper for you. It brings that meaning to you.

11:53 Speaker 5: And you know, we all listen to our music. We

11:55 Speaker 5: listen when we're angry or when we're sad. But it's

12:00 Speaker 5: amazing to connect with an artist. And you can do that,

12:03 Speaker 5: whether as a painting on the wall, whether it's a

12:07 Speaker 5: statue creation, some people do ceramics or alternative media. At

12:13 Speaker 5: the last show, there was an amazing one that a

12:15 Speaker 5: woman had done who had created this like birthday cake

12:19 Speaker 5: for America with two hundred and fifty candles and then

12:24 Speaker 5: she wrote point and information on each and every one

12:27 Speaker 5: of those candles. And what was interesting too about her

12:31 Speaker 5: piece was we heard her talk she's actually the plan

12:35 Speaker 5: is to destroy it. The end result of this art

12:38 Speaker 5: piece is to light those candles and capture it burning away.

12:44 Speaker 5: So there's more to her piece than just having it

12:49 Speaker 5: sit in a museum or sell. In her case, it's

12:52 Speaker 5: an action. Then there's power in the action that she's

12:55 Speaker 5: going to do and how that's going to come forward.

12:58 Speaker 5: So I mean, we're really lucky in New Hampshire, but

13:02 Speaker 5: especially in Manchester to have an incredible gallery like this

13:06 Speaker 5: who sometimes they have musicians in too that we've been

13:09 Speaker 5: there for when they've had musicians in.

13:12 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they still plan to in the future.

13:15 Speaker 5: But it's a smaller space, so you think lower, you know,

13:19 Speaker 5: you know, you like, we're not going to bring a

13:20 Speaker 5: battle band in there, as much as they might like to.

13:22 Speaker 5: It's just not the space for it. But we've seen

13:25 Speaker 5: some interesting artists there over the years, from violinists to

13:31 Speaker 5: guitar players to storytellers. You just it's a great environment

13:36 Speaker 5: to get involved in and they can volunteer there as well,

13:40 Speaker 5: and be a part of things like gallery sitting, So

13:43 Speaker 5: definitely check out the mosaic our Collective dot com. I

13:46 Speaker 5: hope that you will come to the next opening, Matt

13:49 Speaker 5: and I will be there to be there.

13:51 Speaker 4: I don't know if you know this about me. I'm

13:52 Speaker 4: not a woman.

13:54 Speaker 5: Listen you really, this is where you're gonna go with this.

13:58 Speaker 5: I'm just saying, this is where you're gonna go with it.

14:00 Speaker 5: We're exploring women's history. We're exploring how women who have

14:05 Speaker 5: struggled for the right to vote, who have struggled for

14:10 Speaker 5: uh equality in the job site, who currently struggle to

14:14 Speaker 5: exist in environments where it has been predominantly men, like

14:18 Speaker 5: in the fire service. And you're gonna go walk in

14:22 Speaker 5: the door. Listen to you, you are walking home. I

14:27 Speaker 5: have the car keys in my pocket. What you're going

14:30 Speaker 5: to do about that? Okay, ahead, test the one fob

14:36 Speaker 5: that we have one we have? Yeah, I know right,

14:38 Speaker 5: I won't get far. The car will like go, oh,

14:40 Speaker 5: there's no more farm. We're shutting off now?

14:43 Speaker 7: Is that?

14:43 Speaker 5: What ever? Do doesn't like to shut off? If I

14:45 Speaker 5: get like, I could start it with you outside and

14:48 Speaker 5: start to drive away.

14:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what I don't know.

14:53 Speaker 3: I don't know that works. Actually, no, no, very exciting.

14:56 Speaker 3: So I remind people to date again for the show.

15:00 Speaker 3: Uh did you say March fourteenth? I feel like I

15:06 Speaker 3: feel like it was March fourteenth. I just want to

15:07 Speaker 3: make sure people know.

15:08 Speaker 5: I am off. I clicked on the wrong pace.

15:12 Speaker 4: While you're looking for that.

15:13 Speaker 5: I'm gonna be honest and say I clicked on the

15:15 Speaker 5: wrong page.

15:15 Speaker 4: I think it was the fourteenth.

15:16 Speaker 5: I think you're right.

15:17 Speaker 4: Would be next next, So next Saturday, so one week

15:20 Speaker 4: from today.

15:20 Speaker 5: Which makes sense because you drop my painting off today.

15:23 Speaker 5: I have a painting in this upcoming show. It's called

15:27 Speaker 5: The Cell.

15:27 Speaker 4: I dropped it off two days ago. Two days ago,

15:30 Speaker 4: I didn't drop it off. You said I dropped it

15:32 Speaker 4: off today.

15:33 Speaker 5: I meant to say, listen, you're picking on me today.

15:38 Speaker 4: No, you haven't had you haven't had any coffee.

15:40 Speaker 5: I am desperate for coffee. It's in root. So it's Saturday,

15:45 Speaker 5: March fourteenth, March fourteenth. Yeh, March fourteenth, from five pm

15:48 Speaker 5: to seven pm is the Woman Wise opening reception. I

15:52 Speaker 5: really do hope that you will come and see me,

15:56 Speaker 5: whether or not Matt will be in the room remains

15:58 Speaker 5: to be seen. You might be in the doghouse. We'll

16:02 Speaker 5: let you know.

16:05 Speaker 4: H huh. No, very exciting, very exciting, and congratulations of course.

16:12 Speaker 2: You know.

16:12 Speaker 5: Do you realize this is Women's History Month? Do you

16:14 Speaker 5: realize that it was very only in our parents' generation

16:19 Speaker 5: that women had won the right to have a quality

16:24 Speaker 5: in the workplace, that women have been only able to

16:27 Speaker 5: open a bank account without a male signature.

16:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, in the seventies, correct that that happened. Yeah,

16:33 Speaker 4: I know.

16:33 Speaker 5: Women couldn't buy a house on their own or get

16:36 Speaker 5: a loan on their own without a male co signer.

16:39 Speaker 5: These things only occurred in the nineteen seventies, nineteen sixties.

16:43 Speaker 5: This is that is true history.

16:45 Speaker 4: That is true.

16:46 Speaker 3: Well, so that also relates to the show tonight. Because

16:49 Speaker 3: tonight and this is why I love this. This is

16:52 Speaker 3: why we opened within the newest single from Awaiting Abigail,

16:56 Speaker 3: Because tonight it's rock and women of metal. And this

17:00 Speaker 3: is happening at a venue that I've never been before,

17:03 Speaker 3: The Magic Room in Norwood, mass Mike, who is you know,

17:07 Speaker 3: the band dad so to speak of under the Horizon.

17:10 Speaker 3: He initially contacted me about this and said, Awaiting Abigail

17:13 Speaker 3: wanted to put us on the guest list because it's

17:15 Speaker 3: all female fronted metal bands tonight. It's awaiting Abigail under

17:20 Speaker 3: the Horizon, Sex Coffee, who I'm not familiar with, and

17:23 Speaker 3: they are all opening for sepsis, and of course sepsis

17:26 Speaker 3: we're very familiar with and our listeners are very familiar with,

17:29 Speaker 3: and they're playing tonight at the Magic Room the show.

17:32 Speaker 3: The show is from seven to eleven, so doors open

17:36 Speaker 3: at six, and so Jenny and I are on the

17:38 Speaker 3: guest list.

17:39 Speaker 5: Now.

17:39 Speaker 4: Unfortunately, I am.

17:40 Speaker 5: Really sad about this. Do you have no idea how

17:42 Speaker 5: sad I am about that?

17:44 Speaker 4: Jenny cannot go with me.

17:45 Speaker 5: I am not allowed to go.

17:46 Speaker 4: Do you want you want to explain?

17:48 Speaker 5: So I got a really nasty upper respiratory thing almost

17:53 Speaker 5: three weeks ago. Yeah, and it so it somehow got

17:58 Speaker 5: into my ear and I developed an ear infection for

18:01 Speaker 5: the first time since I was a child. And since

18:05 Speaker 5: that happened, my ear has felt like it's underwater, it's blocked,

18:09 Speaker 5: and I have a very high pitch consistent tonights. That

18:13 Speaker 5: is horrific. So as much as I tried to figure

18:16 Speaker 5: out if I could put enough headsets on with ear plugs,

18:21 Speaker 5: I would probably end up with really bad bad tonightis

18:26 Speaker 5: what I have right now is really really bad.

18:28 Speaker 4: This first before you, Yeah, and I guess it could take.

18:31 Speaker 5: A few more. I'm going onto It's been almost three

18:35 Speaker 5: weeks my ear has been like this, and I guess

18:38 Speaker 5: it could take more. It can take like six weeks

18:42 Speaker 5: for this to resolve. Even though I finished the antibiotics,

18:45 Speaker 5: you know, a week ago, I'm still stuck with this.

18:49 Speaker 4: It's horrible.

18:50 Speaker 5: So I can't hear anything out of my right ear.

18:52 Speaker 5: Even with my hearing aid, I can faintly detect the

18:56 Speaker 5: tone of it turning on. Yeah, if that gives you

18:59 Speaker 5: any dear, how profoundly deaf I am right now in

19:02 Speaker 5: my right ear. So I actually don't have the headset

19:04 Speaker 5: on my ear. We have it on the other ear

19:07 Speaker 5: I have, Yes, I don't have it on the infected side,

19:10 Speaker 5: which is actually.

19:10 Speaker 4: How a lot of people wear their headphones anyway. In

19:12 Speaker 4: a radio studio, I don't. I put them both on, but.

19:15 Speaker 5: Some you don't always put them both.

19:16 Speaker 4: Well, it depends. It depends on what's happening in the room.

19:19 Speaker 5: We might have one ear out.

19:21 Speaker 4: Yeah, some people never put them both on. For whatever reason.

19:24 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, so I'm not. I do not have that

19:27 Speaker 5: on my ear.

19:27 Speaker 4: I am afraid of what it could do. Yeah, yeah,

19:30 Speaker 4: tonight is awful.

19:32 Speaker 5: The feeling of being constantly underwater is the cut me

19:35 Speaker 5: walking into things like it's messing with my balance.

19:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just awful.

19:39 Speaker 3: So I'm excited to see a waiting Abigail because I

19:41 Speaker 3: wanted to see. They're a great band from Texas. They've

19:44 Speaker 3: been on the show, I think a couple times.

19:46 Speaker 5: Yeah, but they have awesome t shirts.

19:48 Speaker 3: Great great Texas band. But they're touring up here in

19:50 Speaker 3: the Northeast. Last night they were at the Stone Church.

19:52 Speaker 5: Uh and uh not not like I get an opportunity

19:55 Speaker 5: to see them all the time.

19:56 Speaker 4: I'm really sad.

19:57 Speaker 8: I know.

19:57 Speaker 4: It's a bummer. Yeahs u Uh.

20:00 Speaker 3: Last night they were at the Stone Church in Vermont,

20:02 Speaker 3: not not the New Hampshire one, but the one in Vermont.

20:05 Speaker 3: And then uh yeah, so tonight they're gonna be in Norwood,

20:07 Speaker 3: Mass And then I think they go back to Texas.

20:09 Speaker 3: But yeah, they're gonna be with uh of course under

20:12 Speaker 3: the Horizon who he loved. They've been on the show

20:13 Speaker 3: with us many times. Love them incredible live if you

20:16 Speaker 3: haven't seen them in a Sepsis. Of course, everyone knows

20:19 Speaker 3: that incredible Cepis and Sex Coffee I have not heard before.

20:23 Speaker 5: I even had my yellow in black hair hair ties

20:29 Speaker 5: out ready to know.

20:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, because twas not meant to be.

20:34 Speaker 5: Very sad, and I am curious about this new band

20:37 Speaker 5: because new to us. To us, Sex Coffee is new

20:40 Speaker 5: to us.

20:40 Speaker 4: Yeah.

20:41 Speaker 5: Obviously Coffee is not just my name, it's a way

20:43 Speaker 5: of life. So I'm super interested into hearing what that

20:47 Speaker 5: band is like. Yeah, I'm sure you will take good

20:50 Speaker 5: pictures of video for me to be able to see.

20:52 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely, But if you're.

20:54 Speaker 5: Going I mean hopefully, well, actually, I'm sure I have

20:57 Speaker 5: no doubt there are going to be people there that

20:59 Speaker 5: know you. Yeah, so come up and say hi to

21:01 Speaker 5: Matt if you go onto the show tonight.

21:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, because aside from Sex Coffee, therese are bands that

21:05 Speaker 3: have all been on the show multiple times and our

21:07 Speaker 3: listeners are very familiar.

21:09 Speaker 5: We are original o G sponsors of Swarmy Fest every year.

21:14 Speaker 4: That's true too, Swarmy Fast you were always involved in.

21:16 Speaker 5: Yep, absolutely, which is why I have b things, huh,

21:23 Speaker 5: I have?

21:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, because the swarm the swarm. Yeah, that's right. People

21:30 Speaker 4: might not know what you meant.

21:31 Speaker 5: Well, you have to check out Stepsist to find out

21:34 Speaker 5: about the swarm And if you want to be a

21:37 Speaker 5: swarmy yes you can come to Swarmy Fest, but definitely

21:41 Speaker 5: go see Undo the Horizon, Waiting, Abigail Sex Coffee, and

21:45 Speaker 5: Stepsist tonight. That is such a great lineup yep. Yes,

21:48 Speaker 5: and definitely very fitting for this month, during Women's History

21:51 Speaker 5: Month to have all female fronted bands to entertain you

21:55 Speaker 5: this evening.

21:56 Speaker 3: But I'm especially curious to see Stepsist tonight because I

21:59 Speaker 3: and it didn't occur to me until we were sitting

22:01 Speaker 3: here about to start the show. Last we knew, Uh,

22:04 Speaker 3: Zachie b was no longer playing bass. I don't know

22:06 Speaker 3: who's playing bass, So that'll be interesting.

22:10 Speaker 5: Due to medical reasons. Yeah, the step aside, WHI.

22:12 Speaker 4: Yeah, the last time they were on the show, we

22:14 Speaker 4: talked about it.

22:15 Speaker 5: Yeah, so Zak he was here, Yeah, yeah, I'm sure

22:19 Speaker 5: we will see him. Oh, I hope so, but yeah,

22:22 Speaker 5: I'm wondering what the configuration is looking. And they've got

22:25 Speaker 5: some new music coming that they're going to be playing,

22:27 Speaker 5: I'm sure. Yeah, and now they have keyboards. Yeah, Lexi

22:32 Speaker 5: on keyboards.

22:32 Speaker 4: Yep, so that'll be.

22:33 Speaker 5: Tonight, screams and yeah, I mean it's they got interesting

22:37 Speaker 5: vocals and that they are. They're basically three of them

22:41 Speaker 5: that take in parts of the vocals, take lead on

22:44 Speaker 5: parts of the vocals.

22:45 Speaker 4: Yeah, so that will be tonight. Uh we should mention too.

22:48 Speaker 3: So coming up, if you are listening live on Saturday,

22:51 Speaker 3: in the second hour, we have per and Pores.

22:53 Speaker 5: I'm so excited for this.

22:55 Speaker 4: We'll be here.

22:56 Speaker 3: And then in the third hour we're gonna be talking

22:57 Speaker 3: with loud George, another great band from the UK. Very

23:00 Speaker 3: excited about that. We do have some music news in

23:03 Speaker 3: the meantime. Should we start with the Taylor Swift part

23:06 Speaker 3: of this?

23:07 Speaker 8: Yeah?

23:08 Speaker 3: This involves Live Nation and Ticketmaster and lawsuits and controversies

23:13 Speaker 3: and and as I always say, whenever we talk about

23:16 Speaker 3: this stuff, you know, it seems like, uh, Live Nation

23:19 Speaker 3: and Ticketmaster comes up a lot on the show when

23:22 Speaker 3: we talk about music news and lawsuits and litigation and

23:25 Speaker 3: Department of Justice investigations and so forth.

23:28 Speaker 4: They're always in the news. But this is the article

23:30 Speaker 4: that you sent me.

23:31 Speaker 3: This is from UH Complete four Yeah, Complete Music Update

23:36 Speaker 3: dot Com.

23:38 Speaker 4: Yep, this just this just went up a couple of

23:40 Speaker 4: days ago.

23:41 Speaker 3: Taylor Swift and Barclays Center ticketing controversies prove monopolist Live

23:46 Speaker 3: Nation is damaging live music. Department of Justice tells jury.

23:51 Speaker 4: Uh.

23:51 Speaker 3: The Live Nation antitrust trial got properly under way this week,

23:55 Speaker 3: with lawyers for the US Department of Justice and the

23:59 Speaker 3: Live Giant delivering their opening statements. Ticketing dramas involving Taylor

24:06 Speaker 3: Swift and New York's Barclays Center were a key part

24:10 Speaker 3: of the proceedings. So let's take a look at this. So,

24:13 Speaker 3: according to this article, the concert ticket industry is broken.

24:18 Speaker 3: In fact, the concert industry itself is broken, and because

24:21 Speaker 3: both concerts and ticketing are controlled by a monopolist, and

24:24 Speaker 3: that monopolist is Live Nation. Those were the bold words

24:28 Speaker 3: of US Department of Justice lawyer David Dahlquist on day

24:33 Speaker 3: one of the big Live Nation antitrust trial in New

24:36 Speaker 3: York yesterday.

24:39 Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Well, so this would have been the third

24:41 Speaker 4: because this article law went up on the fourth a trial.

24:46 Speaker 3: The Live Giants, lawyers and lobbyists tried very hard, indeed,

24:50 Speaker 3: to ensure what never happen. According to the DOJ, an

24:53 Speaker 3: Attorneys General for forty US states. So forty US states

24:57 Speaker 3: are participating in this Live Nation and it's Ticketmaster subsidiary

25:02 Speaker 3: unlawfully exploit their market dominance at shows, venues, and ticketing

25:06 Speaker 3: to the detriment of artists, fans, and the wider music community.

25:10 Speaker 3: Live Nation strongly denies all these allegations, of course, and

25:13 Speaker 3: it's now for a jury to hear arguments from both

25:17 Speaker 3: sides and decide who is right. By the way, this

25:20 Speaker 3: is a side note. It is surprising, and I think

25:23 Speaker 3: we talked about this before that the Department of Justice

25:27 Speaker 3: under the current administration actually cares about any of this.

25:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, but they but they do so good.

25:34 Speaker 5: I'm happily surprised that that it is on the radar

25:37 Speaker 5: because we've talked about this for years and the artists

25:41 Speaker 5: are the ones who get ripped.

25:42 Speaker 3: Off well, and you know, the consumers well, I mean

25:47 Speaker 3: we've talked about course that's the shady the shady practices

25:51 Speaker 3: of uh.

25:53 Speaker 5: But it's like you always I always think about the

25:55 Speaker 5: artists like they bust their took us as they go

25:57 Speaker 5: from state to state, pilon and show and it's like

26:01 Speaker 5: they get pennies on the dollar for the tickets. The

26:04 Speaker 5: people are coming to see them, right, But it's the

26:08 Speaker 5: people selling everything that make the majority of the money. Boy,

26:11 Speaker 5: that sounds like healthcare.

26:12 Speaker 4: Well they make uh, they make the money on merch.

26:15 Speaker 4: Merch is where the money is for the artists. It's

26:17 Speaker 4: not on it's not on ticket sales.

26:19 Speaker 5: Unfortunately, it's not include it doesn't include ticket sales and

26:23 Speaker 5: it should.

26:25 Speaker 1: Uh.

26:25 Speaker 5: There are some artists that try to rebel.

26:28 Speaker 3: So it says here from the off Dolquist and the

26:31 Speaker 3: other Dave Live Nations legal Rep. Dave Marriott of Latham

26:35 Speaker 3: and Watkins Watkins, ll P began the battle of the

26:39 Speaker 3: stats because both Daves have stats to hand, uh to hand,

26:43 Speaker 3: which they claim prove that they are right. Yes, both

26:46 Speaker 3: sides are represented by Dave, both of whom claim the

26:49 Speaker 3: stats back up their case, which isn't at all confusing.

26:53 Speaker 3: According to DOJ Dave aka mister Dahlquist, the author of

26:57 Speaker 3: this article was having.

26:58 Speaker 4: A little too much fun with this, Dave.

27:00 Speaker 5: That's a little too much.

27:01 Speaker 4: Little it's actually a little annoying. It makes a thing.

27:04 Speaker 5: It is not helpful.

27:06 Speaker 3: According to Dajo, DOJ Dave aka mister Dlquist, Live Nation

27:11 Speaker 3: controls eighty six percent of large concert ticketing in the oh,

27:14 Speaker 3: that's not a monopoly of large concert two No, not

27:17 Speaker 3: at all in the US and seventy eight percent of

27:19 Speaker 3: the country's amphitheater venues, which we can all agree sounds

27:24 Speaker 3: like something we should be worried about. But of ticketing

27:27 Speaker 3: at large, Ticketmaster has a forty percent market share and

27:30 Speaker 3: for venues twenty percent. Live Nation Dave or mister Marriott

27:35 Speaker 3: countered one of Live's Nation's key arguments is that the

27:38 Speaker 3: DOJ is slice the entertainment market up into artificial segments

27:42 Speaker 3: in order to make it look like the Live Giant

27:44 Speaker 3: is much more dominant than it really is. It seems

27:47 Speaker 3: likely that this stat bickering will continue throughout the trial,

27:51 Speaker 3: though what jury's really like His stories and yesterday's opening

27:54 Speaker 3: statements had two good stories to tell, which illustrate the

27:58 Speaker 3: tangible negative impact of Live Nations monopoly or not, depending

28:02 Speaker 3: on which Dave you believe.

28:04 Speaker 4: Story one.

28:05 Speaker 3: Once upon a time, there was an arena venue in

28:07 Speaker 3: New York called the Barclays Center, and one day it

28:10 Speaker 3: decided to change its ticketing provider from Ticketmaster to seat Geek,

28:14 Speaker 3: except the next day, well about eighteen months later, it

28:19 Speaker 3: switched back to Ticketmaster.

28:21 Speaker 4: So what happened?

28:23 Speaker 3: I mean, we know there was an angry phone call

28:25 Speaker 3: involving Live Nation CEO Michael Rapino. But did Live Nation

28:29 Speaker 3: actually use its dominance in arena level touring to force

28:32 Speaker 3: the arena to return to its ticketing business or was

28:36 Speaker 3: seat geek just not up to the task for providing

28:38 Speaker 3: primary ticketing for New York's big arena venue. So, in

28:43 Speaker 3: other words, you know, did Live Nation somehow strong arm

28:47 Speaker 3: the Barclays Center and in doing so, did they potentially

28:50 Speaker 3: do something illegal? So, getting back to the article, according

28:53 Speaker 3: to DOJ lawyer Dohlquist, while management at Barclays Center wanted

28:58 Speaker 3: to use seat geek for their ticketing, it became very

29:00 Speaker 3: clear of that quote if they didn't use Ticketmaster, Live

29:04 Speaker 3: Nation's touring division wouldn't send them any concerts unquote. So basically,

29:10 Speaker 3: when Barclay Center moved its ticketing to seat geek, quote,

29:13 Speaker 3: Live Nation punished them and they were forced to go

29:16 Speaker 3: back to Ticketmaster unquote.

29:20 Speaker 4: Before we go.

29:20 Speaker 3: Any further, that raises a question, is that is that

29:27 Speaker 3: where is the line between between just being hardball hardcore

29:36 Speaker 3: business people. Where's the line between that and just being

29:40 Speaker 3: outright predatory? And I don't know the answer.

29:44 Speaker 5: I think they crossed it a while ago. I think

29:47 Speaker 5: they are predatory.

29:49 Speaker 3: Is is that but that example, specifically, Okay, you're not

29:53 Speaker 3: going to use our ticketing business. We're just not going

29:54 Speaker 3: to send you anymore because we're this powerful. We're just

29:57 Speaker 3: not going to send you any more big shows, right?

30:00 Speaker 2: Is that?

30:03 Speaker 4: I mean? Technically, are you going? Is your order here?

30:06 Speaker 4: Your coffee order? Yes, okay, Jenny's going to get her

30:08 Speaker 4: coffee order. But I just but I just I pose

30:11 Speaker 4: that question, like, like.

30:12 Speaker 3: Where is the line between you know, just playing hardball

30:17 Speaker 3: and actually doing something that would be considered predatory and

30:20 Speaker 3: therefore potentially illegal or at least leaving you vulnerable in

30:24 Speaker 3: some sort of civil action. I asked that question. I'm

30:27 Speaker 3: not a legal expert of any kind. Uh So I

30:30 Speaker 3: don't know the answer. I'm just asking, and I guess

30:33 Speaker 3: you know it's subjective. But okay, getting back to the article.

30:36 Speaker 4: But the Live Nation chief.

30:38 Speaker 3: Never threatened to stop concerts being promoted by his company's

30:40 Speaker 3: Story division from being staged at the New York Arena

30:44 Speaker 3: and the Barclay Center ultimately returned to Ticketmaster quote not

30:47 Speaker 3: because of any threats, but because seat geek fell down

30:50 Speaker 3: on the job unquote. Okay, story number two. Once upon

30:54 Speaker 3: a time there was a singer called Taylor Swift who

30:56 Speaker 3: decided to sing some of her songs on an airas tour.

31:00 Speaker 3: She appointed Ticketmaster to send her tickets, but on the

31:03 Speaker 3: day the tickets went on sale, Oh to sell her

31:06 Speaker 3: tickets rather, But on the day the tickets went on sale,

31:10 Speaker 3: everything crashed, resulting in a lot of very angry Swift fans.

31:14 Speaker 3: I remember that we talked about that on the show,

31:17 Speaker 3: Oh Dear. But here's the question. Did it all go

31:19 Speaker 3: wrong because the Live Nation ticketing company got complacent because

31:22 Speaker 3: it enjoys a virtual monopoly over concert ticketing and as

31:25 Speaker 3: a result failed to build a decent it infrastructure. Or

31:29 Speaker 3: was the demand for Swift's tickets, including from dubious bot

31:35 Speaker 3: using ticket touts, at an unprecedented high and there isn't

31:40 Speaker 3: a ticketing platform in the world that could have copied

31:43 Speaker 3: in those circumstances. By the way, I tend to think that,

31:49 Speaker 3: you know, I mean, if anyone has the necessary infrastructure

31:52 Speaker 3: to handle the demand for a big tour like that,

31:55 Speaker 3: it would be Live Nation and Ticketmaster, right, So probably

31:59 Speaker 3: the there just isn't a ticketing platform in the world

32:02 Speaker 3: that could have handled that without crashing. But I do

32:06 Speaker 3: remember we covered that on the show. Okay, continuing on

32:08 Speaker 3: with the article, well, according to Dohlquist, the Swift debacle

32:11 Speaker 3: was simply emblematic of a company that has little competitive

32:15 Speaker 3: incentive to build a consumer friendly ticketing product that is

32:18 Speaker 3: fit for purpose. He said, quote, their technology is held

32:22 Speaker 3: together by duct tape. They have prioritized growth over maintaining

32:26 Speaker 3: their systems unquote. And by the way, that's very common,

32:29 Speaker 3: very common in business. A lot of tech companies or

32:32 Speaker 3: companies that rely on tech will do that, you know.

32:36 Speaker 3: They they they're so focused on growing and growing and

32:39 Speaker 3: growing their market share that maybe some of their infrastructure

32:43 Speaker 3: is left to not keep up with what they're trying

32:46 Speaker 3: to do, and they you know, and sometimes websites crash

32:50 Speaker 3: as a result of it.

32:51 Speaker 4: It happens. Okay.

32:53 Speaker 3: So Marriott countered that, yes, the Taylor Swift launch was

32:57 Speaker 3: a debacle, and Ticketmaster never has denied that fact.

33:00 Speaker 4: But this was the single largest on sale ever for

33:05 Speaker 4: her tour.

33:06 Speaker 3: Taylor Swift and the cyber attacks by touts and other

33:09 Speaker 3: rogue parties created challenges that no other ticketing company could

33:12 Speaker 3: have dealt with.

33:12 Speaker 4: Any better.

33:13 Speaker 3: The Barclay Center bust up and Taylor Swift the Taylor

33:19 Speaker 3: Swift on sale are likely to be referenced throughout the trial,

33:22 Speaker 3: with the DOJ keen to present these events as tangible

33:26 Speaker 3: proof of live Music's monopoly problem, while Live Nation will

33:31 Speaker 3: insist these are instead incidents that have been misrepresented. Ultimately,

33:35 Speaker 3: the case swings on whether there is enough evidence to

33:37 Speaker 3: show that Live Nation routinely ties its venue management, tour promotions,

33:41 Speaker 3: and ticketing services together in a way that specifically violates

33:44 Speaker 3: US laws at a federal or state level. Though a

33:47 Speaker 3: jury is involved, the stats and stories will likely be

33:50 Speaker 3: a key part of the narrative as the proceedings progress

33:53 Speaker 3: and the two daves present their respective arguments. Okay, now

33:58 Speaker 3: we have a second article.

34:01 Speaker 4: That kind of.

34:06 Speaker 3: Expands on that because it's directly related to that. Now,

34:09 Speaker 3: this is from Digital Music News, which is one of

34:11 Speaker 3: my favorite websites to get music news from. Check this out,

34:16 Speaker 3: and it's got kind of a provocative title to this article.

34:19 Speaker 3: What is Live Nation retaliation insurance? You don't want to know?

34:25 Speaker 3: That's that's the title of this article. Yeah, yeah, so

34:30 Speaker 3: you know, because we're talking about Live Nation and there

34:34 Speaker 3: what could be considered predatory business practices. Okay, and again

34:39 Speaker 3: this is from Digital Musicnews dot com. Former BSEE Global

34:42 Speaker 3: CEO John Abemont. I should have pre read this, Abamandi,

34:48 Speaker 3: I think isn't the only one to deliver testimony that

34:50 Speaker 3: Live Nation retaliated when his venue explored a compelling I'm sorry,

34:54 Speaker 3: a competing proposal. Here's the latest with the federal antitrust lot.

34:59 Speaker 3: So again, this referred to the article. This refers to

35:01 Speaker 3: the lawsuit we were talking about in the other article.

35:04 Speaker 3: With the federal antitrust trial against Live Nation and Ticketmaster

35:08 Speaker 3: in full swing, venue owners are testifying that Live Nation

35:11 Speaker 3: weaponized major tour dates to keep them from switching their

35:15 Speaker 3: ticketing to a competitor.

35:17 Speaker 4: Again, like seat Geek, the Barclay Center tried to do.

35:21 Speaker 4: Digital Music News.

35:22 Speaker 3: Covered testimony from former BSE Global CEO John Abamandi relating

35:27 Speaker 3: to a planned Billie Eilish show at the Barclay Center

35:30 Speaker 3: that Live Nation allegedly rug pulled. Now Mitch Helgerson, chief

35:36 Speaker 3: revenue officer for the Minnesota Wild, has lobbied so I'm sorry,

35:40 Speaker 3: has lobbed similar allegations against the Live Events Juggernaut. According

35:46 Speaker 3: to Helgerson when is Music Venue explored a proposal from

35:50 Speaker 3: Live Nation competitor Seat Geek during contract negotiations, a Ticketmaster

35:54 Speaker 3: executive warned him that Live Nation could just move its

35:58 Speaker 3: shows to a competing ve Helgerson called this a credible

36:03 Speaker 3: threat and noted that losing those shows would have been catastrophic.

36:07 Speaker 3: And again, I just raised the question, is that is

36:11 Speaker 3: that just hardball, hardball business tactics, or is that does

36:16 Speaker 3: that cross the line?

36:17 Speaker 4: Is it predatory? When Sekhek heard the news, they were

36:21 Speaker 4: apparently keenly aware of Live Nation strategy, offering the wild

36:25 Speaker 4: what it literally referred to as a Live Nation retaliation insurance,

36:30 Speaker 4: that is, a promise to compensate the venue if concerts

36:35 Speaker 4: were pulled. Well, good on see Geek for stepping up,

36:39 Speaker 4: I guess, but how do you uh, how do you

36:42 Speaker 4: even do that? Though?

36:43 Speaker 3: How how could they put like, if all these events

36:45 Speaker 3: are pulled, how are they going to compensate the venue?

36:47 Speaker 4: Interesting? But even with that, getting back.

36:49 Speaker 3: To the article, but even with that offer, and even

36:52 Speaker 3: though the Sea Geek proposal would have ranked would have

36:55 Speaker 3: raked in an additional million dollars a year for the venue,

36:59 Speaker 3: the while hockey team ultimately chose to stay with Ticketmaster.

37:04 Speaker 4: Still, the most damning part.

37:06 Speaker 3: Is that if seat geek has a policy it refers to,

37:10 Speaker 3: even colloquially as Live Nation retaliation insurance, then the company's

37:15 Speaker 3: reputation as a monopoly seems correctly placed. Of course, Live

37:19 Speaker 3: Nation has fervently pushed back against these allegations. In the

37:22 Speaker 3: similar ones posited by Abamandi on cross examination, there was

37:27 Speaker 3: a lot of emphasis on the complexity of switching ticketing platforms,

37:30 Speaker 3: that seat geek had real usability shortcomings. In that Abamandi's case,

37:38 Speaker 3: he already had personal relationships with seat Geek execs. However,

37:44 Speaker 3: none of this explains why the Billie Eilis show in

37:47 Speaker 3: New York ended up twenty miles away after so called

37:51 Speaker 3: thinly veiled frets from Live Nation and Ticketmaster. Nor does

37:55 Speaker 3: it explain why the Minnesota Wild would leave a million

37:58 Speaker 3: dollars a year on the table if not out of

38:01 Speaker 3: fear of retaliation. It's only been the first week of

38:05 Speaker 3: the trial, which is expected to last about six weeks.

38:08 Speaker 3: Time will tell if the jury ultimately agrees with the

38:10 Speaker 3: government's assertion that Live Nation has in fact becomes such

38:14 Speaker 3: a dominant force that it can essentially bully the rest

38:17 Speaker 3: of the industry into taking a knee. But if Abamandi

38:20 Speaker 3: and Helgerson's testimonies are any indication, the first week isn't

38:23 Speaker 3: looking good for Live Nation. So that is from Digitalmusicnews

38:28 Speaker 3: dot com. And again you know the Live Nation and

38:32 Speaker 3: Ticketmaster there. For as long as I can remember, this

38:34 Speaker 3: is not a recent thing. For as long as I

38:36 Speaker 3: can remember, they've always been in the news attached to

38:39 Speaker 3: some sort of controversy investigation, very often over over predatory

38:51 Speaker 3: business practices or alleged predatory business practices. One more little

38:56 Speaker 3: bit of a piece to this. This is not directly

38:58 Speaker 3: relate to this specific trial, but this is from Music

39:05 Speaker 3: Businessworldwide dot com.

39:07 Speaker 4: It does relate to ticketing.

39:09 Speaker 3: Music industry groups push us Senate to Titan Ticket Act

39:13 Speaker 3: and cap resale fees at ten percent. So this is short,

39:18 Speaker 3: but this will kind of put a put a cap

39:21 Speaker 3: pun fully intended in this case on this what we've

39:25 Speaker 3: been talking about this morning. So again this is from

39:28 Speaker 3: Music Business Worldwide dot com, one of my favorite websites

39:31 Speaker 3: for music industry news. By the way, this is another

39:33 Speaker 3: great site if you're interested in this stuff. A group

39:35 Speaker 3: of music and live music Organizations is pressing the Senate

39:38 Speaker 3: to titan federal ticketing legislation, arguing that the current version

39:43 Speaker 3: of the Ticket Act is insufficient in protecting fans.

39:47 Speaker 4: The fix.

39:48 Speaker 3: The TICS coalition, led by the National Independent Venue Association,

39:54 Speaker 3: wrote an open letter to the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science,

39:58 Speaker 3: and Transportation calling for changes to the Ticket Act. The

40:02 Speaker 3: letter was addressed to Chairman Ted Cruz, ranking Member Maria Cantwell,

40:06 Speaker 3: Subcommittee Chairman Marsha Blackburn, and ranking Member John Hickenlooper. They wrote, quote,

40:13 Speaker 3: when federal policy falls short, fans pay the price. They

40:17 Speaker 3: lose money and cur unnecessary travel costs and waste time.

40:20 Speaker 3: They missed the show they planned around, and they often

40:24 Speaker 3: blame the artists, venue, or team rather than the reseller

40:28 Speaker 3: or platform that misled them. Meanwhile, scalpers and speculative sellers

40:33 Speaker 3: assume none of the risk and face few meaningful consequences.

40:38 Speaker 3: Unquote and by the way, just to just to you know,

40:42 Speaker 3: remind people if you don't know when we're talking about

40:46 Speaker 3: resellers and scalpers, you know there's all these we call

40:48 Speaker 3: them the secondary market. Very often, when these tickets go

40:52 Speaker 3: on sale through Live Nation and Ticketmaster, you might notice,

40:57 Speaker 3: and this has been going on literally for decades. Shows

41:00 Speaker 3: seem to sell out, big, big tours, seem to sell

41:03 Speaker 3: out very very quickly, And you might ask yourself, how

41:07 Speaker 3: is it possible that these shows sell out so quickly,

41:11 Speaker 3: even with the Internet, how can so many people log

41:14 Speaker 3: on and buy so many tickets at once? Well, very

41:15 Speaker 3: often it's it's it's these resellers, these secondary market ticket sellers,

41:21 Speaker 3: who buy up a lot of tickets and then once

41:25 Speaker 3: the show is quote unquote sold out, now, all of

41:27 Speaker 3: a sudden, these secondary market resellers, Oh they've got tickets

41:31 Speaker 3: at a significantly higher price, but they've got tickets for you.

41:35 Speaker 3: So it is a form of skelping. They are, it

41:37 Speaker 3: is a form of scalping. They use bots to buy

41:39 Speaker 3: up tickets. Ticketmaster, for their part, they have policies that

41:45 Speaker 3: you can only buy so many tickets at a time.

41:47 Speaker 3: But as we've discussed on the show, it is no

41:50 Speaker 3: secret that those policies are not necessarily consistently enforced by

41:54 Speaker 3: the very technology that is supposed to prevent scalpers and

41:58 Speaker 3: bots from buying up all these tickets at once. So

42:01 Speaker 3: it's a dirty business. The ticketing business is a dirty business.

42:05 Speaker 5: I can remember when I was a kid, going with

42:08 Speaker 5: my mom and camping out on the sidewalk in a

42:13 Speaker 5: line with other people outside a ticket master, waiting for

42:16 Speaker 5: the moment that the door would open. And back in

42:19 Speaker 5: the day, the only way you could buy tickets was

42:21 Speaker 5: in person or on the phone, so it was harder

42:25 Speaker 5: for scalpers. They still did it.

42:27 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they still did it, but it was.

42:30 Speaker 5: Harder on them because you only had those two avenues.

42:33 Speaker 5: And you know, I did this with my mom. We

42:36 Speaker 5: went to see Prince. It was the most amazing experience.

42:41 Speaker 5: But nowadays, with the technology, they should be able to

42:45 Speaker 5: tell like, okay, IP address, we've got bots here because

42:49 Speaker 5: so and so. You know, there's like four bots in

42:51 Speaker 5: here buying X number of tickets at the same time

42:55 Speaker 5: from the same IP address. But that doesn't necessarily happen.

42:59 Speaker 5: And do they really care? Do they really care? Because

43:03 Speaker 5: what they want is a fast buck. They want the

43:05 Speaker 5: biggest profit that they can get. They want every ticket

43:09 Speaker 5: to sell. Absolutely. So as long as they're selling, hey,

43:12 Speaker 5: they're meeting their their margins. You know, they're making their profit.

43:17 Speaker 5: And the heck with the venue, you know, to heck

43:19 Speaker 5: with the with the band, to heck with the people,

43:23 Speaker 5: because you know it sounds like healthcare. You know, it's

43:27 Speaker 5: the big guys. These guys have multimillion dollar salaries. They

43:31 Speaker 5: make a ton of money. You know, there's shareholders that

43:33 Speaker 5: they make a ton of money. And it's always about

43:36 Speaker 5: how much more can you make me? How much more

43:37 Speaker 5: can you make me? Because it's never enough. Then, you know,

43:40 Speaker 5: million dollar profit not enough, make me more? Five million

43:44 Speaker 5: dollar profit not enough, make me more. That's what happens.

43:47 Speaker 5: And they don't care. I don't believe that they care.

43:51 Speaker 5: And the reason I say that is because I can

43:52 Speaker 5: remember for all of my adult life, this has been

43:56 Speaker 5: a topic consistently. There's been core case after corek, There's

44:00 Speaker 5: been DJ investigations nationally as well as states. We've been

44:05 Speaker 5: talking about this and hearing about this for as long

44:08 Speaker 5: as Ticketmaster has existed. Yes, yes, and they have consistently

44:13 Speaker 5: gotten away and found way is to skirt around the

44:16 Speaker 5: laws that they have the monopoly on sales of tickets.

44:20 Speaker 4: Period.

44:21 Speaker 5: They just do. That's a fact.

44:24 Speaker 4: Even Pearl Jam had to back down in the nineties

44:26 Speaker 4: when they tried to.

44:27 Speaker 5: They tried, they tried, and they're not the artists that

44:31 Speaker 5: have said, well, I'm not going to sell my tickets

44:33 Speaker 5: to them because I don't like the way they do business.

44:35 Speaker 5: And they try, they try, but then they end up

44:38 Speaker 5: having to go back. Why because all the venues are

44:40 Speaker 5: using that and they're not giving them there's no alternative

44:44 Speaker 5: way for them to do it. That they get to

44:47 Speaker 5: hold this monopoly. They have a stranglehold on ticket sales.

44:53 Speaker 5: And I find it interesting. Did you get to the

44:56 Speaker 5: bottom part. I don't know if I missed. Did you

44:59 Speaker 5: get to the bottom part of that article?

45:01 Speaker 2: No?

45:01 Speaker 4: About halfway through?

45:02 Speaker 5: Oh, okay, I'm going to hold off on my additional comment.

45:05 Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, a little bit more to this again.

45:10 Speaker 3: This is from Music Businessworldwide dot com. So it says

45:13 Speaker 3: the push comes over a month after a January twenty

45:16 Speaker 3: eight Senate Committee Herey Subcommittee hearing where Blackburn led a

45:20 Speaker 3: panel of lawmakers and pressing Live Nation to do more

45:23 Speaker 3: to clamp down on ticket scalping. Live Nations Executive vice

45:26 Speaker 3: president of Corporate and Regulatory Affairs Dan Wall was present

45:30 Speaker 3: at the hearing, alongside musician Kid Rock and other stakeholders

45:34 Speaker 3: the coalition, whose signatories include the Recording Academy SAG. After

45:39 Speaker 3: a event, Bright and American Federation of Musicians and more

45:42 Speaker 3: than a dozen other organizations said the bill contains gaps

45:46 Speaker 3: that bad actors will continue to exploit. They wrote, quote,

45:50 Speaker 3: the Ticket Act is a step forward, but without a

45:52 Speaker 3: complete ban on speculative ticketing and forceable limits on resale

45:56 Speaker 3: pricing and fees and robust end to end price tream transparency,

46:01 Speaker 3: bad actors will continue to exploit gaps in the law

46:05 Speaker 3: at the expense of fans and communities. On pricing transparency,

46:09 Speaker 3: the groups are demanding disclosure of the base ticket price

46:12 Speaker 3: and every associated fee to appear from the moment a

46:15 Speaker 3: customer selects a ticket, not just at checkout.

46:19 Speaker 4: Quote.

46:20 Speaker 3: Not requiring ticket price and ticket fees broken out in

46:23 Speaker 3: a is a shortcoming of the Federal Trade Commissions all

46:27 Speaker 3: in Pricing rule, and we are looking to Congress directify

46:30 Speaker 3: it unquote. On speculative ticketing, the coalition is called for

46:34 Speaker 3: a prohibition without exception, they wrote, quote, as multiple witnesses testified,

46:39 Speaker 3: tickets that do not exist, are not in the seller's possession,

46:43 Speaker 3: or are marketed through so called concierge or seat saver

46:47 Speaker 3: schemes are not a service. They are deception unquote and

46:52 Speaker 3: predatory tend to agree.

46:54 Speaker 5: Predatory as well. Yeah, you're desperate to go see somebody

46:58 Speaker 5: and something like that pops up, you snag it. You

47:01 Speaker 5: don't even Sometimes people don't even realize how much they

47:05 Speaker 5: got ripped off until later on when they find out

47:08 Speaker 5: what the prices truly were, or they talk to somebody

47:11 Speaker 5: else and they got geez, I spent three hundred dollars

47:15 Speaker 5: more than that? How come? Whoa conchier's service? It really isn't.

47:20 Speaker 5: It's just a fancy word for a scalper. It really is.

47:24 Speaker 5: And the problem has been consistent in that every time

47:27 Speaker 5: there's legislation to try and regulate this issue, it gets

47:31 Speaker 5: defeated or it doesn't even make it for a vote.

47:35 Speaker 5: You know, I'm hopeful that Okay, the DJ is actually

47:39 Speaker 5: on this and forty states out of fifties awful lot.

47:44 Speaker 5: You know, should in Congress do something when this has

47:47 Speaker 5: been a consistent issue time and again, bill after bill

47:51 Speaker 5: of trying to rain this in to make sure that

47:55 Speaker 5: you know, people aren't just getting ripped off because the

47:59 Speaker 5: system doesn't isn't is still not protective of the consumer

48:03 Speaker 5: and the artist. It protects the scalper more than it

48:06 Speaker 5: does the consumer. And the artist because the safeguards aren't in.

48:10 Speaker 4: Place, it says here.

48:12 Speaker 3: The letter also calls for deleting the bills services permitted

48:15 Speaker 3: provision and proposes direct by the Act so that a

48:19 Speaker 3: ticket issuer, oh quote, a ticket issuer, secondary market ticket issuer,

48:23 Speaker 3: or secondary market ticket exchange that does not have actual

48:26 Speaker 3: or constructive possession of an event ticket shall not sell,

48:30 Speaker 3: offer for sale, or advertise for sale such an event

48:33 Speaker 3: ticket unquote. The third demand is for a ban on reselling.

48:37 Speaker 3: This is the important part of this whole thing.

48:39 Speaker 5: Isn't this weird though? That you have to create a

48:41 Speaker 5: band to say you can't sell something you don't have.

48:44 Speaker 4: I know, right, that's wild. Yeah, that should be a.

48:47 Speaker 5: Basic consumer law. How do you sell something you don't have? Right?

48:50 Speaker 4: Right? That has a loophole.

48:53 Speaker 3: The third demand is for a ban on reselling if

48:55 Speaker 3: tickets above the original total cost, and for a cap

48:58 Speaker 3: of all resale fees no more than ten percent quote.

49:03 Speaker 3: Across the country, fans are being priced out of live events,

49:05 Speaker 3: not because artists or venues raised prices, but because resale

49:08 Speaker 3: markets allow unlimited markups and excessive fees divorced from any

49:13 Speaker 3: added value or risk. A federal prohibition on resale above

49:18 Speaker 3: the original total cost, combined with a strict cap on

49:21 Speaker 3: resale fees, would directly address price gouging, align incentives toward

49:26 Speaker 3: real fan access, and ensure that tickets end up in

49:29 Speaker 3: the hands of fans, not industrial speculators. A companion House

49:35 Speaker 3: bill HR fourteen oh two pass House of Representatives with

49:38 Speaker 3: overwhelming bipartisan support in April twenty twenty five, and was

49:42 Speaker 3: placed on the Senate calendar in September.

49:45 Speaker 4: S two eighty one. The Senate's own version remains in committee.

49:51 Speaker 4: So there you go.

49:54 Speaker 5: So if that's not bad enough, then you have all

49:56 Speaker 5: of the quote unquote threats yeah, to the to the

50:01 Speaker 5: venues that there's accusations of yeah, you know, like about

50:06 Speaker 5: the Billie Eilish part. Oh yeah, where the what was it?

50:11 Speaker 5: The show is in New York. The show was supposed

50:12 Speaker 5: to be in New York, but it ended up twenty

50:14 Speaker 5: miles away. After there was some kind of a thinly

50:17 Speaker 5: veiled threat from Live Nations slash Ticketmaster, because I remember

50:21 Speaker 5: Live Ation and Ticketmaster are the same thing, right, they

50:25 Speaker 5: really are. It's not two different things. These are They're

50:27 Speaker 5: own by the same people, just two different flags. They

50:29 Speaker 5: sit underneath. So if you're going to Live Nation, you

50:32 Speaker 5: are buying from Ticketmaster, period. Right, So don't think that

50:36 Speaker 5: those terms aren't aren't interchangeable, because they are. Or wherein

50:40 Speaker 5: they talked about the Minnesota Wild would walk away from

50:44 Speaker 5: a million dollar deal out of fear of being retaliated

50:49 Speaker 5: against by Live Nation Ticketmaster. Right, you know, so if

50:53 Speaker 5: it's not bad enough, what we just said is already

50:55 Speaker 5: happening to consumers. This this other side. It's almost like

50:58 Speaker 5: a mafia attitude with ticket sales. These companies are like, yeah,

51:03 Speaker 5: you must come to the dawn to get permission to

51:06 Speaker 5: sell this or something like right, because it is you know,

51:09 Speaker 5: if you're not selling your tickets through us, we're going

51:11 Speaker 5: to threaten to never sell your venue's tickets again.

51:15 Speaker 4: You will get nobody.

51:17 Speaker 5: You know. This is it's it's beyond wrong now. It's

51:23 Speaker 5: it went from the from being a monopulate to now

51:26 Speaker 5: being a mafia. I'm sorry, but that's how it is.

51:29 Speaker 5: It's if you're if people are afraid, that's yeah, the

51:34 Speaker 5: fear is coming from that. It's it's ridiculous. We've been

51:39 Speaker 5: saying this for years. This is not about the free market.

51:43 Speaker 5: The free market isn't fixing this. That's making it worse.

51:46 Speaker 5: What will fix it is to have regulation that doesn't

51:50 Speaker 5: allow because we have to apparently create a new law

51:52 Speaker 5: because apparently existing law doesn't prevent somebody from selling something

51:56 Speaker 5: they don't even have. Yeah, I know, I am selling

52:01 Speaker 5: a hundred tickets to this concert at a three hundred

52:04 Speaker 5: dollars market concierge and I haven't even bought the tickets yet. Well,

52:07 Speaker 5: I don't even have them in my hand yet.

52:09 Speaker 3: The only thing though, that does that does happen in

52:11 Speaker 3: other sectors. I mean, you know, well even in the

52:14 Speaker 3: music industry, like you know, artists will you know, put

52:18 Speaker 3: things on pre sale that aren't necessarily available.

52:20 Speaker 5: Yet, you know what I mean, they have their own tickets,

52:22 Speaker 5: that isn't But I just mean, like you can, you know,

52:26 Speaker 5: sometimes you can buy a single or thing. Yeah that's

52:29 Speaker 5: an orange. I don't either sell it. You're selling something.

52:32 Speaker 3: But I'm just that you have you have it, but

52:34 Speaker 3: you might not have it yet, is what I'm saying.

52:36 Speaker 3: So you might be working on something that you're or

52:38 Speaker 3: if you're crowdfunding something a project or something.

52:40 Speaker 4: So there are other examples.

52:41 Speaker 5: Huge difference to that in saying I have one hundred tickets. No,

52:45 Speaker 5: I agree, and I don't actually have the tickets. And

52:48 Speaker 5: that's what the article is super clear about, is that

52:51 Speaker 5: in a lot of these secondary markets, they're getting their

52:54 Speaker 5: hands on nothing but your money, right, and then they're

52:57 Speaker 5: getting this huge markup, and then they just take a

53:00 Speaker 5: small portion out of your money and go and actually

53:02 Speaker 5: buy the ticket you could have bought for that price,

53:07 Speaker 5: but they swindled you. And these companies get get better

53:10 Speaker 5: and better at it. In any industry, you'll see, like now,

53:13 Speaker 5: when you go in and put in a search for something,

53:16 Speaker 5: they're buying sponsored spots that get them to pop up

53:21 Speaker 5: to the top. And most of the time we click

53:23 Speaker 5: on what's the first thing we see, right, pay it.

53:26 Speaker 5: Don't do that anymore. Take a look at it. Always look.

53:30 Speaker 5: This is what I do now is I always look

53:32 Speaker 5: at what comes up first, and I look for the

53:34 Speaker 5: word sponsored, so I know that's a yes, at least

53:39 Speaker 5: it's labeled.

53:40 Speaker 4: But you can look for that same thing if you

53:42 Speaker 4: google something.

53:43 Speaker 5: Right exactly look for that word sponsored, and then you

53:46 Speaker 5: know that person paid to have that there. It's not

53:48 Speaker 5: that they came up first because of ratings or because a.

53:52 Speaker 4: Problem with that, especially since it's labeled.

53:55 Speaker 5: I'm just saying pay attention, yeah, because that's just because

53:59 Speaker 5: it comes up first, doesn't mean that's where you should click,

54:01 Speaker 5: you know, check out what comes up down underneath the

54:04 Speaker 5: sponsored stuff. The venue itself could potentially be selling tickets, right,

54:09 Speaker 5: you know, like the box office in Conquered, they don't

54:13 Speaker 5: they sell them right at the window.

54:14 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can.

54:15 Speaker 5: You can go and buy a ticket in person at

54:18 Speaker 5: their window. You don't have to go through ticket Master

54:21 Speaker 5: or a Live Nation.

54:21 Speaker 4: To do that, right, Most venues still do that at least, Yeah.

54:24 Speaker 5: So look for that. Yeah, don't just snag that first one.

54:27 Speaker 5: Watch out for those sponsored Those are ads. They're trying

54:30 Speaker 5: to get you to click on them. Yeah, So take

54:32 Speaker 5: a moment to Peru's and if you can have the

54:35 Speaker 5: option of buying directly from the venue or the artist,

54:38 Speaker 5: do it, right, Absolutely do it because that way, you know,

54:42 Speaker 5: the money is actually going to go back to the

54:45 Speaker 5: artists and the venue. Actually, like these places are actually

54:49 Speaker 5: making the money versus Ticketmaster buying it. And right, yeah,

54:55 Speaker 5: you're basically feeding the multi millionaires that fly in private

54:58 Speaker 5: jets that they don't want to fly with you on

55:01 Speaker 5: commercial flight because they don't want to fly with the peasants.

55:04 Speaker 5: This is who we're up against, these giant people who

55:07 Speaker 5: have multi you know, they have giant houses, billionaires, and

55:11 Speaker 5: it's all about increasing that profit for them more and

55:14 Speaker 5: more and more and more and more. It's never going

55:16 Speaker 5: to be enough. So we have to curb this by

55:19 Speaker 5: encouraging this kind of legislation to protect the artists and

55:23 Speaker 5: to get the money to go where it really should be.

55:25 Speaker 5: The bands that pay, you know, they pay in their

55:28 Speaker 5: blood and sweat from thousands of hours of practicing and

55:33 Speaker 5: go to put on a concert. You want the money

55:34 Speaker 5: to go to them as much as possible, So look

55:37 Speaker 5: for the options before you go and buy from Ticketmaster.

55:40 Speaker 5: If there is an alternative that is directly from the

55:44 Speaker 5: artist or directly from the venue, that might be a

55:47 Speaker 5: better bet for your dollar, and it might be better priced.

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