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Matt Connarton Unleashed 3-7-26 hour 2
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Speaker 12: listening live today is Saturday, March seven, twenty twenty six.
Speaker 12: Jenny is here, of course at the news table. And
Speaker 12: the reason that we played some turbocats they are not
Speaker 12: on the show with us today, but I thought it
Speaker 12: appropriate because we have joining us in studio. We have
Speaker 12: Star and Taylor from pers and Pores. Welcome, Hello, thanks
Speaker 12: for having us. Absolutely absolutely. Now, well all right let's
Speaker 12: start here and then you know, you did bring us
Speaker 12: a couple of gift bags which we're we're going to
Speaker 12: show for the video of viewers. But what is person Pores?
Speaker 13: Person Pores is a cat cafe. There's cat cafes are
Speaker 13: a cafe half and then there's a sally way that
Speaker 13: you go inside and the other half is where you
Speaker 13: get to hang out with all the cats. Oh okay,
Speaker 13: so and they're all adoptable cats.
Speaker 12: Really, yeah, you.
Speaker 13: Don't want to bring your own cats there?
Speaker 12: Okay, that's interesting. I wondered about that part. Okay, so
Speaker 12: the idea, So, so the cats are adoptable, so it
Speaker 12: kind of gives you a chance to go and uh
Speaker 12: almost like like you know, in the mall, for example,
Speaker 12: they have what is it. I forget the name of
Speaker 12: the place, but yeah, the pet store there where you
Speaker 12: can go and you know, they have dogs and they
Speaker 12: have cats and whatnot. But but the only way you
Speaker 12: get to actually hang out with the cats is if
Speaker 12: you go inside one of the cubicles or whatever. I
Speaker 12: don't know. It's not a cage technically, but but so
Speaker 12: but at person port, so you get to actually hang
Speaker 12: out with the cats.
Speaker 13: And it's a free room, like the cats hang out
Speaker 13: in that area, okay, and they can come sit on
Speaker 13: your lap, hang out, drink a coffee. Yeah, they shouldn't
Speaker 13: drink the coffee.
Speaker 12: Probably not. Yeah, I don't know. Can you give cats caffeine?
Speaker 12: You probably don't know. Probably not. Okay, No, that makes sense.
Speaker 12: That makes sense. Yeah, because I like the idea of
Speaker 12: being able to go into a room and you know,
Speaker 12: maybe they'll come over to you and sit on you.
Speaker 12: You know, because you know, we like to think that
Speaker 12: we choose them, but in truth, they choose us, right,
Speaker 12: you know, cats have a way of choosing their their humans.
Speaker 12: So oh well, let's do this before we go any further.
Speaker 12: So I'm gonna put the camera back on me. So
Speaker 12: for those of you watching it, is a radio show
Speaker 12: first and foremost. But if you are watching the video,
Speaker 12: so they brought us these lovely gift bags. Let's see
Speaker 12: he's got the person pores. Oh wow candles. Mmmm, those
Speaker 12: are nice. So you've got so you sell these at
Speaker 12: person poors. I assume yes.
Speaker 14: We partnered with Candle Tree, soy candle okay, and conquered.
Speaker 14: It's on Main Street and conquered.
Speaker 12: Oh, very nice.
Speaker 14: The owner's name is Ross and he's he loves but
Speaker 14: he does.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 14: This month our sense are New Hampshire themed and it's
Speaker 14: for maple months. So we got New Hampshire maple syrup.
Speaker 14: We got cedarn balsome for like the White Mountains. Yeah,
Speaker 14: we got white birch for the National the State Tree.
Speaker 12: Got some citrus perfection sweet orange handcrafted soap. That's very cool.
Speaker 14: Yeah, so Chrissy at the soapre off Main and conquered
Speaker 14: New Hampshire. She made those two and she thought of
Speaker 14: all the names. She's very creative. She loves what she does.
Speaker 12: Oh, very cool, very cool. Yeah, thank you for bringing those.
Speaker 12: Oh there's a magnet two looks like for very cool.
Speaker 15: We love all things kitty.
Speaker 12: We're both Yeah, we love we love cats. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 12: absolutely wonderful, Thank you so much. So, so, what's what's
Speaker 12: the current status of person pores in Manchester?
Speaker 14: So right now we're looking for a building. Okay, it's
Speaker 14: been kind of hard for us because a lot of
Speaker 14: the kind of within our budget isn't like compatible for
Speaker 14: a cafe. Okay, it's not really the cats they're turning
Speaker 14: us down. We thought our number one like issue would
Speaker 14: be people are like, oh, we don't want cats in
Speaker 14: our location, right, but it's just they don't want like
Speaker 14: the dishwashers set up and all the.
Speaker 12: Interesting Yeah.
Speaker 14: So if we're trying to find like the perfect building.
Speaker 12: For us, we're trying to find the perfect had to
Speaker 12: do it, had to do it? Are you so, are
Speaker 12: you committed to being in Manchester or are you maybe
Speaker 12: looking at, you know, outside of Manchester.
Speaker 14: We really want to do Conquered, New Hampshire. Oh, no kidding, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 14: just because it's the state capitol and their Chamber of
Speaker 14: Commerce is like awesome. Yeah, I don't know. Conquered seems
Speaker 14: like the location for us, and it's closer to us, okay.
Speaker 14: For her, Manchester would be like an hour drive.
Speaker 12: From her house, no kidding, okay, yeah, yeah, gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 12: So you're looking at conquered, are you also looking like
Speaker 12: outside of because I just wonder if you know, like
Speaker 12: maybe outside of conquered around you know, sort of conquered adjacent. Yeah.
Speaker 14: Yeah, we just extended our search like two weeks ago. Okay,
Speaker 14: We've been looking for two months and conquered and then
Speaker 14: we're like, hey, we should probably you know, extend the
Speaker 14: search because slim pickings.
Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, Now is is person por is? Is it
Speaker 12: a franchise or what is it? Is it your own things?
Speaker 12: It is?
Speaker 14: Okay, we created our own LC August of last year.
Speaker 12: Oh excellent, excellent. Yeah yeah, I wasn't sure if it
Speaker 12: was like a like a franchise and you and you
Speaker 12: were buying a location and you just needed somewhere to
Speaker 12: put it or something like that. But so so this
Speaker 12: is you, this is you.
Speaker 14: Started from the ground.
Speaker 12: Oh that's fantastic. Excellent. No, good for you. No, we
Speaker 12: love talking entrepreneurs and so what uh whose idea was it?
Speaker 16: It was?
Speaker 14: Yeah, so kind of like what inspired us is We
Speaker 14: both went on vacation in Hawaii. Oddly enough, different times.
Speaker 14: We went to a lot, okay, and she saw the
Speaker 14: cat cafe. I went on vacation. I saw it too,
Speaker 14: And then randomly, because we work together, we're like, hey,
Speaker 14: like that would be awesome to do a cat cafe.
Speaker 14: Yeah that was like two years ago. And then just
Speaker 14: randomly one day I like messaged her and I said,
Speaker 14: we gotta do this, Like, yeah, I want to do this.
Speaker 14: I want to wake up every day to be like
Speaker 14: inspired by my work and help like orphaned cats like
Speaker 14: to feel good about us, like this is our time.
Speaker 14: We're almost thirty, like, let's do our own thing.
Speaker 12: So, so there are other cat cafes that you've like,
Speaker 12: like have you have you traveled around and seen a
Speaker 12: lot of different ones and.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I've seen about like ten fifteen Okay, and follow
Speaker 13: other cat cafes. Yeah, we're trying to see all of them, honestly, Yeah,
Speaker 13: and make some new ones.
Speaker 12: Are they all the the ones that you've been to? Are?
Speaker 12: Are they are they all similar? Or do you see
Speaker 12: variations and business models or I'm really curious, like what
Speaker 12: you know if they all kind of operate in a
Speaker 12: similar fashion or if some of them are unique.
Speaker 14: Or yeah, So for the typical, like for the listeners
Speaker 14: to understand what a cat cafe is for the typical
Speaker 14: cat cafe. Patrons come in and they pay a nominal
Speaker 14: amount to go into the cat cafe and into the
Speaker 14: cat lounge where adoptable cats are and the cats are
Speaker 14: free roaming, cage free. It allows them to see the
Speaker 14: cats in their natural environment, almost in like a homey experience,
Speaker 14: so that they can learn the cat's personalities. And then
Speaker 14: you can get food and beverage and that just helps
Speaker 14: people stay longer and you feel more comfortable. So we're
Speaker 14: planning on picking up like that business model. Okay, and
Speaker 14: a lot of people also have a problem with paying
Speaker 14: the amount amount of need to go into the cat lounge,
Speaker 14: but honestly, that money goes towards like rent, the cat
Speaker 14: care things like that. So a lot of people are like, oh,
Speaker 14: why do we have to pay to go see the cats,
Speaker 14: But all of that money goes towards the care for
Speaker 14: the cats because while they're in our care, we have
Speaker 14: to take care of everything to do with them. We're
Speaker 14: helping the shelters too by helping them be fed the
Speaker 14: cat litter, so it's giving the shelters a break as well.
Speaker 12: Okay, So ideally does does the cafe then sort of
Speaker 12: team up with the shelters and okay, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 13: There's also like other types that's more what we're going for,
Speaker 13: like set of wise okay, two separate areas. There is
Speaker 13: some where they just bring the food in and like
Speaker 13: from a commercial kitchen and sell it there, and then
Speaker 13: they don't really have like a sitting area and you
Speaker 13: just go hang out with the cats. I went in
Speaker 13: one in Florida that was weird. It was kind of
Speaker 13: cool though. It was literally just a straight up cat room. Yeah,
Speaker 13: and then they had like a little small area where
Speaker 13: they just major drinks and brought it out to you,
Speaker 13: so you wouldn't even.
Speaker 14: Go over in there.
Speaker 12: Oh interesting.
Speaker 14: Yeah, So we kind of wanted to have the cafe
Speaker 14: so we have multiple like revenue streams and can offer
Speaker 14: people food and drink while they're there.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 14: We're also going to do events there like yoga, trivia
Speaker 14: and I have bandsing there.
Speaker 17: Cool.
Speaker 12: You'll have to have the turbocasts that be pretty sweet.
Speaker 12: I'm curious too, as you've gone around and you've looked
Speaker 12: at these different cat cafes, have you seen anything that
Speaker 12: where you kind of thought, wow, they're doing something really
Speaker 12: strange here. That's not something we would do or I
Speaker 12: don't see how that. I don't see how what they're
Speaker 12: doing is going to work long term. You see anything
Speaker 12: like strange that where you go? Really, I haven't.
Speaker 13: Well, I was looking up other ones. There was one
Speaker 13: in Main. I'm not sure if they're still open. It
Speaker 13: was temporary closed and they have like a dispensary style
Speaker 13: which is really interesting. It's only for eighteen and up.
Speaker 13: So I was like, oh, that's kind of crazy.
Speaker 12: That's different.
Speaker 13: But I don't think they actually have like the dispensary things.
Speaker 12: Oh.
Speaker 13: I think it's just like the style of it. It's
Speaker 13: more for cats. Oh okay, but it's in Main, so yeah,
Speaker 13: it's a little different.
Speaker 12: Oh that's interesting, kind of a weird question.
Speaker 15: But how do you keep the cats from getting out there?
Speaker 12: That's a great question. Yeah.
Speaker 13: We will have like a sallly way, which is like
Speaker 13: a hallway with a door on each side.
Speaker 12: Okay, and there's.
Speaker 13: Only like one entrance for people to go in.
Speaker 15: That makes sense.
Speaker 13: You have to like walk into the salleyway, shut the door,
Speaker 13: and then make sure there's no cats near you, like
Speaker 13: the other door.
Speaker 15: It's like the TSA. You go in the one door
Speaker 15: and when that door closes, then the other door opens.
Speaker 14: That makes sense already.
Speaker 15: That cool.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, no, that does make sense. How many cats
Speaker 12: ideally would there be on premises at any like, you
Speaker 12: must have a there must be like a maximum capacity
Speaker 12: or maybe it depends on the size of the space. Ultimately,
Speaker 12: I don't know, but right like, how many is manageable?
Speaker 14: We're going to plan between ten to fifteen. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 14: I think more than.
Speaker 13: Fifteen might be a little too much. Yeah, depending, that's
Speaker 13: a really big space.
Speaker 14: Else Yeah, all the cats have different personalities too, so
Speaker 14: that's a lot to manage. And it comes down to
Speaker 14: the shelters rules too, kind of how we're going to
Speaker 14: create agreement with them. Okay, right now we're kind of
Speaker 14: in talks with Pope, Memorial, SPCA, and Conquered and we're
Speaker 14: kind of just trying to figure out how that relationship
Speaker 14: would look like because they've never done anything like this,
Speaker 14: and obviously they're nonprofit, so there's multiple people they got
Speaker 14: to discuss this with. Oh yeah, we're going to come
Speaker 14: to terms of how to take care of the cats
Speaker 14: because ultimately it's their cats. We're just fostering them, right, So, yeah,
Speaker 14: there's going to be a lot of training and hands
Speaker 14: on on and kind of like we got to create
Speaker 14: terms that make sense.
Speaker 12: For yeah, both of us. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 12: So what why?
Speaker 10: Uh?
Speaker 12: I mean, I assume you both obviously love cats. If
Speaker 12: either of you have you done like you know, if
Speaker 12: you worked in a veterinarian's office or anything like that,
Speaker 12: or I'm curious if it like prior professional experience involving
Speaker 12: cats or do you or do you just love cats?
Speaker 12: Which is a great reason too, but.
Speaker 13: Well I love cats, have had them my entire life.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 13: My neighbor that lived down the street, they had like.
Speaker 15: A hundred cats.
Speaker 12: I feel like yeah all the.
Speaker 13: Time, and we're like, oh, we need to feed them,
Speaker 13: moms like stop feeding them.
Speaker 15: They have a home.
Speaker 13: And then I went to like my uncle's house. He
Speaker 13: had a farm a bunch of stray animal or like
Speaker 13: barn cats.
Speaker 12: Yeah, loved it.
Speaker 13: Hung out with them, volunteer with animals. Were actually getting
Speaker 13: ready to start volunteering at.
Speaker 12: The Pope Memorial as well, Okay.
Speaker 13: Just mostly out of fun because we both love hanging
Speaker 13: out with animals. Well, I absolutely love volunteering. I've been
Speaker 13: doing it since I was like five.
Speaker 12: Yeah, good for you good. Good? What about you star?
Speaker 14: Yeah, not so much experience professionally, Taylor and I don't
Speaker 14: have experience, like professionally dealing with animals, but we've grown
Speaker 14: up around them. We've always loved animals growing up. I
Speaker 14: always wanted to be a vet. I don't really know
Speaker 14: what happened with that, you know, you know, life happened
Speaker 14: and I didn't become a vet. Like you know, this
Speaker 14: is a way to incorporate animals and our dreams, you know,
Speaker 14: into our business.
Speaker 12: What's something that people don't know about about cats that
Speaker 12: that you think would surprise them.
Speaker 14: That's a good question.
Speaker 16: Yeah.
Speaker 13: I actually was recently talking about this that cats like purring,
Speaker 13: like the vibration from it actually can help heal bones,
Speaker 13: like you been in people. I don't know how much
Speaker 13: research they have them like that part, but it actually
Speaker 13: helps them heal faster and like do better. So I
Speaker 13: have a cat at home that hurt himself and I'm
Speaker 13: just like, oh, I need to get you to per
Speaker 13: And I was like do this. I was like, come on,
Speaker 13: motivational speaking to this cat. He is doing better. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 13: maybe it worked.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, maybe maybe. You know, we talked to about
Speaker 12: the shelters, Like, how big of a problem is that?
Speaker 12: I bet it's I bet it's a bigger problem than
Speaker 12: people realize. Like how many cats end up in shelters?
Speaker 14: Not so much in New Hampshire. New Hampshire really outsources
Speaker 14: it from places like Florida. Florida has like a kitten
Speaker 14: season all year round. Spring is like the kitten season. Obviously,
Speaker 14: our springtime is very short in New Hampshire. So yeah,
Speaker 14: so they usually take them from kill shelters and places
Speaker 14: in Florida.
Speaker 12: That's interesting. Yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 14: Yeah, so we really want to partner with a place
Speaker 14: that will take them from kill shelters to kind of
Speaker 14: help them get off the youth in Asia.
Speaker 12: Lists mm hmmm, hmm oh that's good. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 12: had no idea. No, that's interesting. That's interesting. And then
Speaker 12: what's kind of the I mean, once, once you find
Speaker 12: a place and you're open and everything, is there a
Speaker 12: long term plan to open? Like like do you like thinking,
Speaker 12: you know, five ten years down the road? I mean,
Speaker 12: do you want to have multiple locations?
Speaker 14: We want a franchise for sure.
Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, no, that's great. And do you have investors?
Speaker 12: You have people who are no or no, it's just us,
Speaker 12: you're just doing this. Wow. Good for that yet not yet.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I'm not sure about taking on investors because a
Speaker 14: lot of the times you got to give up a
Speaker 14: percentage of your company, of course, and we kind of
Speaker 14: want full creative control and kind of what we do. Yeah,
Speaker 14: if tough times happen, we can get some angel investors
Speaker 14: and stuff, but as of now, I think Taylor and
Speaker 14: I just want to be like, you know, the leaders
Speaker 14: of this.
Speaker 12: No, that's great, full control.
Speaker 13: It's a lot easier talking to one person than trying
Speaker 13: to convince a whole group to do the same thing.
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, yeah, no, that's interesting. And how about like,
Speaker 12: are your families supportive of this? Very good? Good?
Speaker 14: Yeah, my family. You know, the last seven years have
Speaker 14: worked in the state prison, which my family was not
Speaker 14: very happy. Oh no, kidding that I worked there. And
Speaker 14: now that I'm like, oh, now I'm working with cats
Speaker 14: and doing my dream because they've always known I want
Speaker 14: to be a veterinarian work with animals, like that's you know,
Speaker 14: my personality type. And they're like, good for you for finally, like, yeah,
Speaker 14: you know, stretching your wings out and doing what you want.
Speaker 12: No, that's great. Yeah, you worked at the prison, at
Speaker 12: the state prison.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I still work as a.
Speaker 12: Prison Oh you do do you what do you do there?
Speaker 14: I'm an officer there.
Speaker 12: Oh no kidding? Yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 14: Yeah, so different different career field, right right.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, you've been there seven years?
Speaker 14: Yeah, seven years.
Speaker 12: Yeah. I had a good friend who did that job,
Speaker 12: who I think lasted maybe a year and he just
Speaker 12: couldn't just couldn't hack it. Yeah, because it's you.
Speaker 14: Know, yeah, it's hard, right, you know, not the best
Speaker 14: place to be in New Hampshire.
Speaker 12: Just saying, well it could be worse. You could be
Speaker 12: on you know, behind bars and the.
Speaker 14: Exactly. I'm not complaining.
Speaker 12: How about how about you? Taylor?
Speaker 13: So I've worked a lot of like cafes, I've worked
Speaker 13: in restaurants.
Speaker 12: Good experience for what you're doing.
Speaker 13: And I recently last year just bought a coffeehouse at
Speaker 13: the Deerfield Fair.
Speaker 16: Oh.
Speaker 15: I love it.
Speaker 13: The guy that I bought it from, he's basically like
Speaker 13: a mentor to me.
Speaker 12: It was great.
Speaker 13: We also have cats a nursing home that I work at, Okay,
Speaker 13: and like their amazing residents love them. I'll actually like
Speaker 13: carry them around on the floor with me. I'm not
Speaker 13: supposed to have them on my carts. Was like, oh,
Speaker 13: everybody either hanging out with me.
Speaker 14: Taylor and I actually worked there together and that was
Speaker 14: the highlight of our day. We'd go up the chairs
Speaker 14: and be like, oh, did you see one of the
Speaker 14: cat's names was Skeeter? Did you see Skeeter today? And
Speaker 14: we just like talk about it day Yea.
Speaker 13: Sometimes I'd bring like a laser with me to play
Speaker 13: with them. It was like the best thing in the
Speaker 13: whole world. And then there's another cat there, she's still there,
Speaker 13: name of Saber. She likes to be spun around on
Speaker 13: the floor, so you sit there, you keep pedner, she
Speaker 13: like goes in a circle. Absolutely love it.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 14: Taylor also has a degree in culinary so this will.
Speaker 12: Actually yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 13: And then my family thinks that I'm very much like
Speaker 13: a restaurant type of person. I've worked in hospitality a lot,
Speaker 13: like it goes together, but I absolutely am there for
Speaker 13: the animals. Yeah yeah, because I just there's so much fun, Yeah,
Speaker 13: so much personality.
Speaker 12: Absolutely. Absolutely. What's a misconception that that people have about
Speaker 12: cats that you want to knock down today while.
Speaker 14: You're here, Well, cats are cat cafes. There's two different things.
Speaker 14: So the cats, A lot of people are like, I
Speaker 14: hate cats, and yeah, it seems like a lot like by.
Speaker 12: The way, you never hear anyone just say, oh I
Speaker 12: don't like cats. They they'll tell you that I hate cats.
Speaker 14: Yeah, they're so avid about it. Ye yeah, your cat
Speaker 14: ever do to you? It's weird, right, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 14: they all have their different personality types, and they're not
Speaker 14: as like affectionate as like dogs.
Speaker 12: They're well, they're not as obedient, they're not as expressive.
Speaker 12: That's how I think of it.
Speaker 13: Yeah, very Oh yeah affectionate cat.
Speaker 14: Mine will literally like just sleep on my face all night.
Speaker 12: The cat Jenny and I have is very affectionate.
Speaker 14: Yeah yeah. But it seems like a lot of the
Speaker 14: male population too. I don't know if it's like a
Speaker 14: like a tough guy thing like cats, like you know,
Speaker 14: this little cute, fluffy thing like I can't show my
Speaker 14: soft side. But like it'd be nice to see a
Speaker 14: lot more males be like, oh, I love kitty cats.
Speaker 14: You know, I'll open up because you can see most
Speaker 14: of them they like them, but they're just trying to
Speaker 14: be like a right hats Like what a little furry
Speaker 14: thing do to you.
Speaker 12: Right right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 14: And then cat cafes, there's a misconception people people think
Speaker 14: it's going to be dirty, like the cats are separate
Speaker 14: from the food prep the cafe area.
Speaker 12: And they have to be legally right exactly.
Speaker 14: Exactly, and like at the same time, it's like do
Speaker 14: you not eat around your cats at home too?
Speaker 12: Like you know, like good, good point.
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's just an interesting thought. Like we've seen a
Speaker 14: lot of things on social media. People are like that
Speaker 14: that's disgusting.
Speaker 9: That.
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's like do your research on it, and it's
Speaker 14: will keep it clean, we promise.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Yeah. And if somebody doesn't want to go, nobody's forcing. Yeah,
Speaker 12: just don't come right right exactly.
Speaker 13: They get forced they can go sit in the cafe
Speaker 13: while everyone hangs out with the cats.
Speaker 12: Okay, m h, there you go, there you go. So,
Speaker 12: you know, if people want to want to learn more
Speaker 12: and keep up with what you're doing as you're searching
Speaker 12: for a place and whatnot, you know, we might have
Speaker 12: listeners who have ideas and suggestions or maybe they just
Speaker 12: want to help in some way. Where should they go online?
Speaker 12: Where's the best place for people to go online to
Speaker 12: keep up with with this whole project.
Speaker 13: I would say Facebook and Instagram are like our most popular.
Speaker 13: We're on a lot of social media and okay, but
Speaker 13: we also have like a link tree which has like
Speaker 13: all of our social media on there, and I believe
Speaker 13: our website.
Speaker 14: Is on there as well.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 14: Our website's ww dot person, porscatcafe dot com okay, and
Speaker 14: we have a contact us link and it's pretty straightforward.
Speaker 14: Put your information in and put any comment you want
Speaker 14: and it goes straight to us. We love suggestions, We
Speaker 14: love talking with our customers. Usually like weekly, we get
Speaker 14: people just like rooting for us, like with enthusiasm, so
Speaker 14: that makes us happy. You know, somebody took the time
Speaker 14: another day just to log in and you know give
Speaker 14: us a little pep talk like that's.
Speaker 12: Awesome, Oh that's really cool.
Speaker 14: Yeah, And we're just very transparent, So follow us on
Speaker 14: social media all the way through all of our collaborations
Speaker 14: with local businesses, all of the steps like even finding
Speaker 14: our real estate agent. We're very very open. I think
Speaker 14: that's important for businesses to be pretty transparent, and like
Speaker 14: we want to build a community with people as well,
Speaker 14: so like yeah, yeah, the more followers, the more conversations
Speaker 14: we can have like it could be their business too.
Speaker 14: We're very open to like doing the best for our
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Speaker 12: Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 13: We actually use social media to fire find our real
Speaker 13: estate agent too, like a bunch of people were sending
Speaker 13: us so many Oh great, that was really helpful.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, that's that's excellent. That's excellent.
Speaker 14: Shout out to Sarah Lang. You're awesome.
Speaker 12: Is that your real estate?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 12: Oh, very good, very good. Well listen, I thank you
Speaker 12: both for coming in today. This is this is wonderful.
Speaker 12: We'll have to have you on again in the future
Speaker 12: because once you know, once you've got a place, you know,
Speaker 12: we definitely want to have you back. And uh, you know,
Speaker 12: Jenny and I we both love cats, and so we're
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Speaker 12: I know, when you're when you're ready and you're up
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Speaker 12: definitely I want to see how it all turns out too.
Speaker 12: So so good luck to you both of course. Uh,
Speaker 12: Star and Taylor appreciate you coming in.
Speaker 14: Thank you, thanks for having us.
Speaker 12: All right, you got it, and I've think we should
Speaker 12: close out the segment with We'll play another turbook at song.
Speaker 12: This one is called My Senior Lady and it's all
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Speaker 18: An extra special tree, My senior Lady cap, My senior
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Speaker 7: So so.
Speaker 4: No ties so small.
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Speaker 6: You don't understand how it feels being the don of
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Speaker 4: The shot to trump, the storm great, the heart.
Speaker 11: Crumbling foundation, the friendship built, a life.
Speaker 4: That shine, story is shine.
Speaker 11: And then in the shadow those with a fly who
Speaker 11: find me chasing whispers from men.
Speaker 4: To find me a baby. I can't wait to smoking.
Speaker 11: You don't understand how it feels. The dire shot shows.
Speaker 12: Let that is left out. The band is awaiting Abigail
Speaker 12: and featuring a little bit of their music because they
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Speaker 12: tonight in Massachusetts at the Rocking Women of Metal with
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Speaker 15: Jenny.
Speaker 12: Of course, Jenny unfortunately cannot go with me tonight.
Speaker 15: We're so not happy from hell. Yes, and the tonight
Speaker 15: is that's going with it is really bad. Yeah, and
Speaker 15: unfortunately the going to see live bands would probably make
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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, but uh yeah Rock and Women of Metal
Speaker 12: tonight at the Magic Room in Norwood, mass a venue
Speaker 12: that I have not been to, but uh I know
Speaker 12: me neither. Six oh yes, doors at six shows at eleven.
Speaker 12: I'm sorry, seven shows seven to eleven.
Speaker 15: Such an awesome lineup. It really is an awesome lineup. Yeah,
Speaker 15: absolutely in all hard working bands yep, yep, and all
Speaker 15: bands that have been on the show multiple times except
Speaker 15: for Sex Coffee.
Speaker 9: Again.
Speaker 15: You're going to check them out tonight, so maybe we'll
Speaker 15: have them on in the future.
Speaker 12: Yes, yes, absolutely they are.
Speaker 15: They are from Providence, so oh well, funny they sent
Speaker 15: me this one because I was reading this one earlier.
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, we have a little more music industry news.
Speaker 12: We've got a little bit of time. Of course, if
Speaker 12: you are listening live on Saturday, I should mention coming
Speaker 12: up in the third hour Loud George, another great band
Speaker 12: from the UK. We had so many great bands from there.
Speaker 12: They are going to be with us on the program
Speaker 12: via Microsoft teams, so looking forward to speaking with them.
Speaker 12: But this is from Digitalmusicnews dot com and I did
Speaker 12: not know that this was going on, but apparently it's
Speaker 12: been going on for a while. It says here Marathon
Speaker 12: Chance the Rapper versus Pat the Manager. Dispute officially heads
Speaker 12: to trial. Pat says he personally lost three hundred and
Speaker 12: fifty thousand dollars plus running Chance the Rappers merch operation.
Speaker 12: And it's funny too, because we were talking earlier about
Speaker 12: how artists make their money, how artists make their money
Speaker 12: on merch because touring, you know, most of that money
Speaker 12: goes to you know, Live Nation and whomever else. Right,
Speaker 12: they suck all that.
Speaker 15: Half and put all the diesel in the trucks, which
Speaker 15: is probably really expensive these days.
Speaker 12: Touring is very cost prohibital. Oh seriously, in many ways,
Speaker 12: a lot of a lot of artists.
Speaker 15: Wells, buses a lot to it. You got to feed everybody.
Speaker 12: It's all very hard. So yeah, you got to make
Speaker 12: that money on merch T shirts and you know T
Speaker 12: shirts of course the number one merch item it shows.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 12: But uh, but apparently something has gone wrong between Chance
Speaker 12: the Rapper and Pat the now ex manager, So it
Speaker 12: says here again. This is from Digital musicnews dot com, which, again,
Speaker 12: as I mentioned earlier, a great website for music industry news.
Speaker 12: If you're interested in this. Uh, the USA versus Live
Speaker 12: Nation antitrust trial isn't the only music real music world
Speaker 12: legal battle that's unfolding now. Chance the Rapper and Pat
Speaker 12: the manager or ex manager have taken their long running
Speaker 12: contract dispute to the courtroom. It says here we've been
Speaker 12: covering the ugly clash of former friends and business partners.
Speaker 12: Chance was like a brother to me, in manager Pat
Speaker 12: Cochrane's Pat Corkran's own words, for over half a decade,
Speaker 12: but the showdown, technically consisting of a multi million dollar
Speaker 12: commission complaint from Corkoran and a distinct unjust enrichment action
Speaker 12: from Chance, just recently headed to trial in Chicago. Unsurprisingly, then, Corkran,
Speaker 12: during a lengthy direct examination, discussed more than a few
Speaker 12: components of his and Chances professional relationship. With the benefit
Speaker 12: of hindsight and objectivity, we can see the association, though
Speaker 12: fruitful at the outset, was seemingly destined to deteriorate in
Speaker 12: any event, says as Corkoran explained on the stand, it
Speaker 12: was his parents and members of Chances family, not the grown,
Speaker 12: albeit young and inexperienced men behind the deal, who'd initially
Speaker 12: sorted the loosely defined details of the manager client arrangement.
Speaker 12: Now right off the bat, before we go any further,
Speaker 12: when when you see loosely defined details of a manager
Speaker 12: client arrangement, that you know there's going to be trouble
Speaker 12: because everything has to be very clear and specific and
Speaker 12: written out, and entertainment lawyers.
Speaker 15: Beauty talk about that.
Speaker 12: You've heard who Judgey? Oh well, sure, yes, not in
Speaker 12: the contract. It's not there. That's right, that's right, it
Speaker 12: says here. Thrust into commercial prominence following the release of
Speaker 12: Acid Rap, Chance opened for high profile acts, including mac Miller,
Speaker 12: all while Corkoran assumed sweeping responsibilities and struggled to personally
Speaker 12: cover day to day expense, as the manager said before
Speaker 12: the jury. Concerningly, Corkoran also described Chance's alleged unwillingness to
Speaker 12: sign agreements of any kind. Quote he didn't want to
Speaker 12: sign or have, you know, a written agreement with anybody unquote,
Speaker 12: and reiterated that the artist's music wasn't being monetized whatsoever.
Speaker 12: Quote there wasn't even music being commercialized unquote, even as
Speaker 12: he was performing on the same stage as Macklemore and others.
Speaker 12: So that's a pretty shoddy business here. The Chance, the
Speaker 12: rapper business is not so much. And you know why
Speaker 12: Corkoran would want anything to do with anybody who doesn't
Speaker 12: even want to sign anything. A written agreement of any
Speaker 12: kind is bizarre and.
Speaker 15: Not smart by any stretch of the imagination. Yeah, I
Speaker 15: don't care if you're best of friends, bosom buddies that
Speaker 15: grew up ever since you were in typeies together from
Speaker 15: being little. Put it in writing. Put it in a contract.
Speaker 15: Make it clear. Yes, what's your expectation, what you're gonna do,
Speaker 15: what you're gonna get. If it's not there, it doesn't exist.
Speaker 15: I don't care you shake a hand on it. I
Speaker 15: don't care whatever that is that's not gonna hold up
Speaker 15: when it comes down to it. This money involved friends
Speaker 15: are no friends, married or not married. Put it in
Speaker 15: writing because it's just better for both of you. There's
Speaker 15: no question of expectations. It's clear, they're defined, and if
Speaker 15: somebody doesn't kept it, keep up their end. You have
Speaker 15: a way of recourse and you're not just out of everything.
Speaker 15: And especially you know, bands sometimes I think can fall
Speaker 15: victim of things like this because you have somebody that
Speaker 15: gets excited about your music and they want they want
Speaker 15: to quote unquote help you, and it sounds great up front,
Speaker 15: but they actually don't have the wherewithal to bring it
Speaker 15: to fruition to make it real for you, and then
Speaker 15: you're in this nasty, horrible situation. So you're better off
Speaker 15: always putting everything in writing and making it clear.
Speaker 12: Oh absolutely, absolutely Again. This is from Digital Musicnews dot com.
Speaker 12: It says on the label side, the alleged aversion to
Speaker 12: signed and sealed contracts has not changed. Chance self released
Speaker 12: last year's star Line that was apparently that's his newest album.
Speaker 12: Building on this overview, Corcoran proceeded to explore how he'd
Speaker 12: stepped well outside the confines of traditional managerial duties to
Speaker 12: develop a hands on merch operation and later a radio
Speaker 12: promotion strategy, and between manufacturing the actual merch renting warehouse space,
Speaker 12: expanding the team amid an influx of orders and more,
Speaker 12: he was quote losing his shirt on running the merchandise
Speaker 12: operation unquote as it was hemorrhaging money. Fans placed nearly
Speaker 12: ten thousand orders in the month after Chance in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 12: took home a trio of Grammys. Per Corkoran, he.
Speaker 15: Tried to do too much for one person. This probably, yeah,
Speaker 15: that happens, and you try to do that because you
Speaker 15: think you're gonna save money, and you don't because it's
Speaker 15: just not possible to keep up.
Speaker 12: And you try to do that because you think it's
Speaker 12: all gonna pay off, right, because here you've got, you know.
Speaker 15: Like running a radio campaign. That's a lot of work,
Speaker 15: it is, that's.
Speaker 12: Not I would know, Yeah, you would know. I watch
Speaker 12: you do it a lot.
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's a lot of work and a lot of
Speaker 15: follow up and a lot. Right, there's a lot to
Speaker 15: it just doing that. Plus he's trying to set the venues.
Speaker 15: Plus he's trying to make the T shirts and who's
Speaker 15: printing them and where's the design coming from. That's too much.
Speaker 15: That's crazy to try and do that all in one. Yeah,
Speaker 15: you know, you're better off hire and the pros to
Speaker 15: do what you need them to do and then bringing
Speaker 15: it in. You're gonna spend less money in the long run, right, Right.
Speaker 15: It sounds to me like they set them they set
Speaker 15: themselves up for failure.
Speaker 12: Corkoran said, quote, I think it was like three hundred
Speaker 12: and fifty four thousand dollars was the loss that I
Speaker 12: took on operating the Chance Merchandise operation unquote. Needless to say,
Speaker 12: revenue sharing agreement or not, this alleged loss wouldn't prove
Speaker 12: an encouraging sign for any business partnership. Speaking of that
Speaker 12: revenue sharing agreement, Corkoran also spoke of his commission fifteen
Speaker 12: percent of across the board net earnings with a three
Speaker 12: year sunset clause in his recollection for serving as Chances manager, which,
Speaker 12: as with the rest of his testimony, will certainly factor
Speaker 12: in to the remainder of the trial.
Speaker 15: Well, not a very good manager if he's going to
Speaker 15: try and wear a zillion different hats and expect that's
Speaker 15: going to work.
Speaker 12: I don't understand though, this agreement with a three year
Speaker 12: sunset clause. So was that a verbal agreement because Chance
Speaker 12: wouldn't sign anything, right.
Speaker 15: Unless he signed something. But it was so vaguely written
Speaker 15: that maybe it sounds like it was just well it
Speaker 15: was a good business sense, because these aren't good business
Speaker 15: mess Everything in vague, discriminating, like, how do you even
Speaker 15: enforce this contract? If everything's well, I think I'll do this. Yeah,
Speaker 15: they set each other up for failure. They really didn't,
Speaker 15: and they backed obviously backed each other on what they
Speaker 15: thought they were going to do. He fell short and
Speaker 15: couldn't handle the doing the work of five different people. Yeah,
Speaker 15: you know, like that's what he's trying to do. A mess.
Speaker 15: It is a big mess. And I can't see that
Speaker 15: either one of them are really going to come out
Speaker 15: winners in this. It sounds to me like everybody's going
Speaker 15: to come out it a lot. Yeah, you know, they're
Speaker 15: probably both going to be lucky to walk away with
Speaker 15: anything in their bank accounts by the time this is done.
Speaker 15: But he did it to himself. I mean what manager
Speaker 15: does all? Like, really, do managers really put all that
Speaker 15: up front, like they're gonna take all the money out
Speaker 15: of their own bank account, They buy the T shirts themselves,
Speaker 15: they do all of that.
Speaker 12: But I've not heard of that. I that's like nuts.
Speaker 15: That doesn't sound smart. Like I know that management companies
Speaker 15: might invest in in like an album or something like that,
Speaker 15: but I've never heard him to do everything like this.
Speaker 12: These people both sounds crazy, Like Chance the Rapper won't
Speaker 12: sign it is a Grammy.
Speaker 15: When they made this agreement? Was this like something in
Speaker 15: the middle of the night.
Speaker 12: Thing that maybe they're both severely mentally ill. I mean,
Speaker 12: Chance the Rapper sounds like he's got some kind of well,
Speaker 12: he sounds Chance sounds like he's crazy. This is a
Speaker 12: Grammy winning artist, and he won't sign a contract with anybody.
Speaker 12: He won't.
Speaker 15: He's eccentric money. Remember when you don't have money, then
Speaker 15: you become crazy. When you have money, you're eccentric.
Speaker 12: But he doesn't have any money. That's the thing. He's
Speaker 12: got nothing to show for him.
Speaker 15: I spent it all trying to do that.
Speaker 12: I mean, well, no, is it sounds like Pat the
Speaker 12: manager spent all the money. He spent his own money. Chance,
Speaker 12: but what money did he get? Chance probably doesn't have
Speaker 12: any money either. He can't sign all.
Speaker 15: Because it's not being done right. Then, yeah, he's not
Speaker 15: making anything.
Speaker 12: Nothing's being monetized correctly.
Speaker 15: Apparently they're spending money. They're basically throwing money out the
Speaker 15: windows here and there.
Speaker 12: And they just sounds like like they're both idiots or
Speaker 12: they're nuts or something. I don't know.
Speaker 15: These are not These are not uh, these are not
Speaker 15: smart moves.
Speaker 12: These are not well adjusted humans.
Speaker 15: So the question is are they going to come out
Speaker 15: of this with their shirts or are they going to
Speaker 15: lose everything?
Speaker 12: Well, sounds like Pat's already lost everything. He's three hundred
Speaker 12: and fifty four thousand dollars in the hole.
Speaker 15: Interesting to see how this court battle goes. Though.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I didn't know about any of this until this morning.
Speaker 12: I but this is very interesting about.
Speaker 15: Right, and I want to know, like how much I
Speaker 15: want to see more? Like what else did they have evidence?
Speaker 9: Rise?
Speaker 15: You know who's going to win? Is someone going to
Speaker 15: end up paying somebody else?
Speaker 12: Probably don't have that much evidence wise, if nothing was
Speaker 12: written down because Chance won't sign a contract with anybody.
Speaker 15: Well maybe not, because then the manager's going to have
Speaker 15: receipts like I bought Chance the Wrapper shirts, or I
Speaker 15: bought Chance the Wrapper bandanas, or you know, we pressed
Speaker 15: X number of CDs. Yeah, you know, if he's doing
Speaker 15: all of that up front, he's going to every seats
Speaker 15: for everything he put up front. But if he doesn't
Speaker 15: have a contract that says he gets reimbursed, and he's
Speaker 15: expecting to just simply sell everything to.
Speaker 12: Make the money somehow crazy.
Speaker 15: Yeah, this is not the way. Do not do as
Speaker 15: these people have done.
Speaker 12: A cautionary tale, although I don't think most people would.
Speaker 12: I mean, this is just nuts.
Speaker 15: Not you would think in this day and age that
Speaker 15: people would be.
Speaker 12: That's why I think they're both mentally ill.
Speaker 15: Smarter to put everything down and writing of what you're
Speaker 15: going to expect, Yeah, you know, but in doing so
Speaker 15: in detail, not just vague statements of we're gonna do merch.
Speaker 15: That's too vague. It's gotta be we're gonna do two
Speaker 15: hundred T shirts or we're gonna do you know, five
Speaker 15: thousand CDs, whatever it is. It's got to be specific
Speaker 15: and spelled out, or you don't get a leg to
Speaker 15: stand on. Yeah, you know, if you're expecting this person
Speaker 15: to do all of this for you while you don't look,
Speaker 15: which isn't smart, But if you don't want to look,
Speaker 15: you just expect this person. He's gonna book all your stuff,
Speaker 15: he's gonna do the photography, he's gonna get the CD pressed,
Speaker 15: he's gonna do all you merch. He's gonna do everything
Speaker 15: humanly possible except for spoon feed you. And you don't
Speaker 15: want to pay attention to that. You're kind of setting
Speaker 15: yourself up there that when you do turn around and go, oh, no,
Speaker 15: I have no money, you know why?
Speaker 12: I just I still think they're both non composition.
Speaker 15: I feel like they were maybe I don't know where
Speaker 15: they inebriated when they made this agreement. Because especially anything
Speaker 15: verbal in this day and age, you would think people
Speaker 15: would know better than to do anything as a verbal contract. Right,
Speaker 15: Like I said, I don't care if you've been bestie
Speaker 15: friends since you were both little teeny babies and Diape
Speaker 15: is running around looking for the you know how to
Speaker 15: stand up and walk street. I don't care how long
Speaker 15: you've known each other. You've put it in writing, spell
Speaker 15: it out. It's just better for both of you. There's
Speaker 15: no question you're both on firm foundation, and you know
Speaker 15: what your job is. You know what their job is,
Speaker 15: and what the expectations are going to be for the
Speaker 15: end of the product. You know, it's just smart five minutes,
Speaker 15: even if you write it out on a piece of
Speaker 15: paper and sign it, it's better than any than nothing.
Speaker 15: Better to have a lawyer. But you know, in the
Speaker 15: pinch at least do that do that so much?
Speaker 17: All right?
Speaker 15: Well, I think you would know better, Like you're that
Speaker 15: big of a guy. And like what about this manager?
Speaker 15: How many artists has he managed? Does he do this
Speaker 15: with other artists? Is this the only manager?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 15: Where is he in the management scheme of the world?
Speaker 16: Right?
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