Corners of Sanctuary | Matt Connnarton Unleashed

0:00 Speaker 1: There it is Lock it Up as covered by Corners

0:03 Speaker 1: of Sanctuary and let's see. I think we've got Mick

0:05 Speaker 1: from the band on the line make are you there.

0:08 Speaker 2: Hey man, how you doing?

0:09 Speaker 1: Buddy good good, Welcome to the show. I love that,

0:12 Speaker 1: of course it. Kiss is my favorite band, so I

0:14 Speaker 1: was very very pleased to hear you guys doing that song.

0:18 Speaker 1: It's great. I love it.

0:20 Speaker 2: Thank you appreciate that. Yeah, Kiss is one of our

0:22 Speaker 2: favorite bands as well. I mean really kind of like

0:25 Speaker 2: if we had to go back, if we had any

0:27 Speaker 2: opportunity to play with Kiss that even even if they

0:30 Speaker 2: you know, but definitely would be the first in line.

0:33 Speaker 1: Oh no doubt. I like too. So you know, just

0:37 Speaker 1: a couple of subtle things about that, about your version

0:40 Speaker 1: of it, that non Kiss fans wouldn't even realize necessarily,

0:44 Speaker 1: but you kind of, you know, you augment it in

0:48 Speaker 1: terms of the arrangement because and again non Kiss fans

0:51 Speaker 1: wouldn't know this, but when you see Kiss live or

0:53 Speaker 1: when you did, because obviously they're not touring anymore, although

0:55 Speaker 1: I think they're doing a one off show maybe here

0:58 Speaker 1: or there now, but when they play look It Up live,

1:01 Speaker 1: the song, well geez by the time they got to

1:03 Speaker 1: the end of their run, the song was like three

1:05 Speaker 1: times longer than the studio version. But even in the

1:09 Speaker 1: eighties they would play a longer version with you know,

1:12 Speaker 1: a couple of extra parts added to it, you know,

1:15 Speaker 1: to make it, to make it it becomes almost epic live,

1:19 Speaker 1: even though it's a very the studio version is a

1:21 Speaker 1: very simple song. But I noticed, you know, you kind

1:23 Speaker 1: of borrow from the way they played it live, with

1:26 Speaker 1: a like guitar part that's not not in the studio version.

1:31 Speaker 1: I really like that because for a lot of us,

1:33 Speaker 1: that's how we kind of hear it in our heads

1:35 Speaker 1: because we're so used to hearing the live versions.

1:37 Speaker 2: We're in the Animalized tour, they started doing that, that

1:41 Speaker 2: extra part, and it struck me from the very first

1:45 Speaker 2: time that I heard it. It was like, wow, that

1:48 Speaker 2: was you know, And I remember trying to figure it

1:49 Speaker 2: out on guitar as a kid, and I was like, wow,

1:52 Speaker 2: this is awesome. And I always played it that way.

1:55 Speaker 2: It was always it was always kind of a cool way,

1:57 Speaker 2: and there was people that just that weren't familiar with

1:59 Speaker 2: seeing them live that had no idea what that part was.

2:01 Speaker 2: But I had always said, if we covered the song,

2:05 Speaker 2: or if I ever covered the song, I wanted to

2:07 Speaker 2: incorporate that because I've never heard anybody else do it.

2:11 Speaker 1: So it was just a cool piece that makes sense.

2:13 Speaker 1: That makes sense, by the way. Okay, So did you

2:15 Speaker 1: guys sneak in something else on that that I can't

2:18 Speaker 1: quite identify because coming out of the second chorus before

2:23 Speaker 1: you get to the to the last part, because there's

2:26 Speaker 1: no that song is unusual obviously in the Kiss catalog,

2:29 Speaker 1: and that there's no guitar solo that and Heaven's on Fire,

2:32 Speaker 1: of course there's no guitar solo, But I feel there's

2:35 Speaker 1: something else. I mean, you play the riff a little

2:38 Speaker 1: bit differently after the second chorus, But is that Is

2:41 Speaker 1: that taken from something? What I'm hearing in there? But

2:44 Speaker 1: there's something familiar about it and I can't place it.

2:48 Speaker 2: Well, No, it's just I think it's just the way

2:49 Speaker 2: that we decided to approach it. I mean, one of

2:52 Speaker 2: the things that my thinking was always and to digress

2:58 Speaker 2: just a little bit, never been a cover guitar player.

3:02 Speaker 2: I never played covers coming up through the ranks and

3:05 Speaker 2: all I never got into it to play covers. After

3:08 Speaker 2: COVID we decided as a band, hey why not. We

3:11 Speaker 2: have enough of our own original material, let's have some

3:14 Speaker 2: fun at this point. Like, it's not like we're trying

3:16 Speaker 2: to rip anybody off. But the idea was is, if

3:18 Speaker 2: you're ever going to do a cover, you got to

3:20 Speaker 2: do it just as good, if not better, or something

3:25 Speaker 2: so different that it makes people want to listen. Otherwise,

3:27 Speaker 2: why listen to it, because it would be you know,

3:30 Speaker 2: just go to the original that way. But we just

3:34 Speaker 2: I think it's a lot of accenting. The way our

3:36 Speaker 2: guitar playing is slightly different, but the bridge actually is

3:42 Speaker 2: slightly different than the original. We use a different chord progression.

3:46 Speaker 2: It sounds pretty close, but it's not exactly you know,

3:51 Speaker 2: the Dead on Vinnie Vincent version.

3:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I love what you did with it.

3:56 Speaker 1: There was something about it though, I was like, that

3:58 Speaker 1: sounds like it's from something else, and I wonder if

4:01 Speaker 1: they snuck something in there from something else, but I

4:03 Speaker 1: couldn't play what it was. But no, that makes sense

4:05 Speaker 1: the way the way you describe it. But yeah, I

4:07 Speaker 1: think I think it came out great. And of course,

4:10 Speaker 1: you know, kiss fans will know by the time, you know,

4:12 Speaker 1: by the time they. I mean, I don't know if

4:14 Speaker 1: you ever thought about doing this live, it would probably

4:17 Speaker 1: be too much. But you know, they were working in

4:19 Speaker 1: part of Won't Get Fooled Again, and you know, all this,

4:23 Speaker 1: all this stuff, the song became like this huge It's

4:25 Speaker 1: such a simple song, but it became this huge production

4:28 Speaker 1: live over the years, over the over the various tours.

4:31 Speaker 1: But do you guys, do you guys have plans to

4:34 Speaker 1: do any other covers because your originals and we're gonna

4:36 Speaker 1: play We're gonna play another single of yours at the

4:39 Speaker 1: end of our conversation, But do you guys plan to

4:41 Speaker 1: do any other covers or or is it mostly originals?

4:45 Speaker 2: Well, we're mostly an original band, but we had, like

4:47 Speaker 2: I said, we've been kind of peppering in some covers

4:49 Speaker 2: over the last few years. We actually when this song released,

4:54 Speaker 2: we also released a version of rats What You Give

4:58 Speaker 2: Is What You Get.

4:59 Speaker 1: Oh.

5:00 Speaker 2: At the same time, what we did was is a

5:02 Speaker 2: couple of years back, we released a like a cover

5:05 Speaker 2: EP like some songs from Judas Priest and def Leppard.

5:11 Speaker 2: We even did an Osmond song Crazy Horses, our version

5:16 Speaker 2: of it, and we did a song from Warrant Inside Out,

5:22 Speaker 2: So we wanted to do a couple more covers, so

5:25 Speaker 2: we actually re released a deluxe version of that EP

5:30 Speaker 2: that included these two. So we only and we do

5:33 Speaker 2: I mean, we do a cover of Paranoid we released

5:36 Speaker 2: a few years ago for Christmas, but in the set,

5:39 Speaker 2: like our live set, we only do two songs, and

5:42 Speaker 2: that's occasional. Depends on where we're at. We either do

5:45 Speaker 2: Paranoid or Break in the Law. But we have been

5:48 Speaker 2: talking about doing some more and looks like I said,

5:50 Speaker 2: it's kind of more of a fun thing.

5:52 Speaker 1: Now.

5:52 Speaker 2: We may do Hair of the Dog from Nazareth. We

5:55 Speaker 2: have a souped up version of that we fool around

5:59 Speaker 2: with in Reheard, just as a warm up. But we've

6:02 Speaker 2: been saying, hey, maybe maybe we should do something.

6:04 Speaker 1: With it that would be cool. I like your I

6:07 Speaker 1: like your approach too with the covers because a lot

6:10 Speaker 1: of I mean, well, I guess you know, and you'll

6:13 Speaker 1: find this with original bands when original bands do covers,

6:16 Speaker 1: so I suppose it's not unusual. But you know, you

6:18 Speaker 1: were talking about how a lot of bands and it's

6:20 Speaker 1: this is more for bands that are specifically doing covers,

6:22 Speaker 1: they'll try to be as faithful to the original as possible,

6:25 Speaker 1: and I kind of feel about it. You know, you

6:27 Speaker 1: expressed a thought about that that's very much aligned with

6:31 Speaker 1: how I've always felt about it. I'd rather hear somebody

6:34 Speaker 1: kind of put their own spin on it, because if

6:36 Speaker 1: I wanted to hear something exactly like the original, yeah,

6:39 Speaker 1: I could just listen to the original, you know, I

6:41 Speaker 1: don't need to. I don't I don't need to hear

6:44 Speaker 1: someone playing it note for note exactly what it was already.

6:48 Speaker 1: I kind of like when it when something is sounding

6:51 Speaker 1: a little bit different, you know, I want to hear

6:53 Speaker 1: your interpretation of the song, not necessarily what the song

6:56 Speaker 1: already is, because then really kind of what's the point,

6:59 Speaker 1: you know. So I really like your approach to that,

7:02 Speaker 1: and like I said, I love what you did with

7:04 Speaker 1: look it up. And of course, as a kiss fan,

7:05 Speaker 1: I had to geek out over that for a few minutes.

7:07 Speaker 2: But thank you. But you guys are absolutely you got to.

7:11 Speaker 2: I think you do have to put your own spin

7:12 Speaker 2: on it to make it more interesting, I mean without

7:15 Speaker 2: I mean, and I know there's versions of songs that

7:17 Speaker 2: are out there that may be so different than the original,

7:21 Speaker 2: and that's what throws people off because they're stuck on

7:23 Speaker 2: the original. But at the same time, there is something

7:26 Speaker 2: exciting about that because the artists themselves are trying to

7:31 Speaker 2: I mean, they're showing besides the point of like, you know,

7:34 Speaker 2: in the industry, you pick a song that's going to

7:36 Speaker 2: help you get an audience, which I understand all that, right,

7:40 Speaker 2: You take a popular song. A lot of times the

7:43 Speaker 2: songs that are covered aren't usually obscure songs. But at

7:48 Speaker 2: the same time, it's the artists that's maybe drawn to

7:51 Speaker 2: those particular songs. Being an indie artist, it's a little

7:55 Speaker 2: easier you have that you don't have someone breathing down

7:57 Speaker 2: your neck and saying, hey, you have to do this,

7:59 Speaker 2: have to do that, right, And it's a way of

8:01 Speaker 2: expressing yourself through some of your favorite artists music.

8:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh very well, put yeah exactly exactly. Now you

8:10 Speaker 1: guys have been tell me how you feel about this label.

8:14 Speaker 1: You know, because we're always obviously in the music industry,

8:16 Speaker 1: we always have to put things in categories, and some

8:18 Speaker 1: people don't like that, but it does make it a

8:20 Speaker 1: little bit easier to try to figure out, you know,

8:21 Speaker 1: to try to navigate. You know. It's like when I

8:24 Speaker 1: worked in a record store. I remember, you know, there

8:26 Speaker 1: were always people who thought, well, we shouldn't have all

8:28 Speaker 1: these different categories, and it's like, well, it does make

8:30 Speaker 1: it a little bit easier to find what you're looking for.

8:32 Speaker 1: But you guys have been labeled the new wave of

8:35 Speaker 1: traditional American heavy metal. Part of that. How do you

8:38 Speaker 1: feel about that? Is that do you think that that's

8:39 Speaker 1: an accurate description of what Corners of Sanctuary is?

8:44 Speaker 2: I think so. I mean, you know, for for the

8:47 Speaker 2: longest time, at least in my world, it was just

8:51 Speaker 2: heavy metal, and somewhere that changed, like what metals not

8:57 Speaker 2: the metal that say I know, and again that could

9:00 Speaker 2: be a generational thing, and things became so specific that

9:07 Speaker 2: you had to kind of find somewhere to be put,

9:11 Speaker 2: especially if they if they're not sure where to put you,

9:13 Speaker 2: because you can get lost, which I think happens anyway

9:15 Speaker 2: now because of the oversaturation of everything that there is.

9:19 Speaker 2: But no, I think it's not It's not bad because

9:22 Speaker 2: I mean, the truth is, we're a collection of our influences,

9:26 Speaker 2: which you know is heavily the new wave of British

9:29 Speaker 2: heavy metal as well as you know, American metal at

9:32 Speaker 2: that time, like Kiss, you know, you know, even in

9:37 Speaker 2: the early eighties, you know, with with as as bands

9:41 Speaker 2: like Queenswick were coming up and and Sabotage and stuff

9:45 Speaker 2: like that. There there was a heavy influence, you know,

9:49 Speaker 2: long before things were coined as hair metal. Some of

9:52 Speaker 2: those bands were a little heavier, a little edgier, and

9:56 Speaker 2: then you know, hair metal kind of just like by

9:58 Speaker 2: the late eighties early nineties just of became uh like

10:03 Speaker 2: rock with with bigger hair, tighter pants, and you know,

10:08 Speaker 2: flashier approaches. That's really kind of you know, it went more.

10:12 Speaker 2: It was mainstream metal at that point. That it's probably

10:16 Speaker 2: more of an accurate description of it than hair metal

10:20 Speaker 2: because everybody got linked into hair metal or who you

10:23 Speaker 2: were at that at that point, you know, at that point.

10:26 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's I'm okay with it. Listen,

10:30 Speaker 2: We've been compared to over the years, and we've never

10:33 Speaker 2: complained about We've been compared to anywhere from Judas Priest

10:36 Speaker 2: to Anthrax di zz Top, and you know, though we

10:40 Speaker 2: may not sound like any of them, there may be

10:43 Speaker 2: bits and pieces, but you know, I mean, I definitely

10:46 Speaker 2: know we don't sound like zz Top, but I'm not

10:47 Speaker 2: going to complain about it.

10:52 Speaker 1: Exactly.

10:53 Speaker 2: People are going to hear what they hear and how

10:57 Speaker 2: it resonates to them. So I remember I did an

11:00 Speaker 2: interview a couple of years ago and someone said we

11:01 Speaker 2: sounded like White Snake, and to me, that's awesome. But

11:05 Speaker 2: and they were referring to the more supergroup White Snake,

11:09 Speaker 2: and I was like, wow, that's not necessarily it. But

11:11 Speaker 2: that's okay because that's what they they hear, what works

11:17 Speaker 2: for them, how they put it all together. So someone's

11:20 Speaker 2: one person's heavy is not necessarily someone else is heavy,

11:23 Speaker 2: and vice versa. So to me, like you know, old

11:26 Speaker 2: White Snake, like when John Sykes was in the band,

11:28 Speaker 2: to me like, that's because John Sykes was a huge

11:31 Speaker 2: influence on my guitar playing. Oh okay, especially when he

11:34 Speaker 2: was playing with Cozy Powell. There was a lot of

11:37 Speaker 2: like how song structure and rhythm and groove were taught

11:42 Speaker 2: to me. Like I remember when I was when I

11:45 Speaker 2: was a kid, somebody handed me slide it in and said, here,

11:48 Speaker 2: study this album. This is where we want you to go.

11:51 Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, okay, and believe it or not.

11:54 Speaker 2: Since that, I mean, I was like I don't know

11:56 Speaker 2: when I was thirteen fourteen, Since then, I've used that

12:01 Speaker 2: same that same cassette or same album whatever, when I've

12:06 Speaker 2: worked with other you know, musicians, I go here, take

12:09 Speaker 2: a listen to this, and listen how this is put together.

12:13 Speaker 2: How the drums and the bass work together with that

12:15 Speaker 2: backup rhythm guitar. That's that's what we're looking for, you know,

12:19 Speaker 2: that kind of thing. So it made an impression on me.

12:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, and for people who don't know to slide it

12:24 Speaker 1: in as a great album, you know, it's before because

12:27 Speaker 1: obviously people who only know White Snake casually they know,

12:29 Speaker 1: you know, here I go again and all the they're

12:31 Speaker 1: really big hits from nineteen eighty seven. But the earlier

12:35 Speaker 1: stuff is and I'm not I love all that stuff too,

12:37 Speaker 1: by the way, but the earlier White Snake stuff is

12:38 Speaker 1: really you know, slow and easy is probably my favorite

12:41 Speaker 1: White Snakes. It's just so dead, you know. I love

12:44 Speaker 1: the I love the early stuff. But John Syke's absolutely incredible. Now,

12:49 Speaker 1: you guys formed in twenty eleven in Philadelphia, is that correct?

12:53 Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, we're celebrating fifteen years this year.

12:55 Speaker 1: Oh congratulations. That's fantastic. That's fantastic. It's the sound of

13:00 Speaker 1: Philadelphia influenced you guys much. I mean, I always hear

13:04 Speaker 1: people refer to you know, the kind of the mean

13:07 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I mean, obviously, when people

13:10 Speaker 1: think about Philadelphia and music, they don't necessarily think about

13:14 Speaker 1: heavy metal. They think more about soul music. And you know,

13:16 Speaker 1: I think about Hollowotes because I'm a huge Hollo Ootes

13:18 Speaker 1: fan and they're from Philly. But I mean, is there

13:21 Speaker 1: is there anything from that scene that you've taken inspiration from,

13:25 Speaker 1: either at the beginning when you formed the band, or

13:27 Speaker 1: over the years, or do you kind of exist are

13:30 Speaker 1: you in it but not of it, or of it

13:32 Speaker 1: but not in it in the in terms of the

13:33 Speaker 1: scene there, however that works, well, you know what.

13:36 Speaker 2: That's a fantastic question. It's actually all of that. And

13:40 Speaker 2: so you can't say that, you like, everybody from Philly,

13:44 Speaker 2: especially of a certain age, was influenced by the soul

13:50 Speaker 2: and the R and B that that took place here. Yeah,

13:53 Speaker 2: it had its own style, its own sound, everything, and

13:57 Speaker 2: it influenced a lot of that early rock that was

14:00 Speaker 2: happening in the scene in the late seventies in the

14:02 Speaker 2: early eighties, even though at the time the scene here

14:06 Speaker 2: was a cover scene, but it was a cover scene everywhere.

14:09 Speaker 2: It didn't start breaking until an original scene until like

14:12 Speaker 2: eighty three, eighty four. But we've had I mean, you know,

14:15 Speaker 2: Cinderella came out of Philadelphia. We had Britney Fox come

14:20 Speaker 2: out of Philadelphia. We had Heaven's Edge, we had Tangier,

14:24 Speaker 2: there was a lot of big bands that were signed

14:28 Speaker 2: that came out. We had Teas or rough House that

14:30 Speaker 2: they had to change their name. So was there an

14:32 Speaker 2: inspiration from that? Absolutely, Like I was fortunate enough in

14:36 Speaker 2: the eighties, I was a fan and I also got

14:39 Speaker 2: to play in the scene in the later part of

14:41 Speaker 2: the eighties into the early nineties, So there was a

14:44 Speaker 2: huge influence, you know, because as a kid, Philadelphia was

14:49 Speaker 2: the big time us, Like we didn't think of La

14:53 Speaker 2: you know, nobody in eighty six, nobody was. I mean,

14:55 Speaker 2: there was people going out to LA just because there

14:57 Speaker 2: was Hollywood and stuff, but the there was something happening

15:01 Speaker 2: here in Philly. So there was a huge influence on

15:06 Speaker 2: all levels. And I think that that stuck with me.

15:09 Speaker 2: So there is definitely that type of thing, you know,

15:12 Speaker 2: like how how the club scene was and and every

15:16 Speaker 2: event that happened was like a was a show, like

15:19 Speaker 2: a big like it was an event. It was every

15:22 Speaker 2: show was an event, I should say, like it was

15:24 Speaker 2: like going to you know, the Spectrum or Madison Square Garden.

15:28 Speaker 2: Even if it was just a small club, everybody was

15:30 Speaker 2: dressed up, there was lights, it was it was a spectacle.

15:33 Speaker 2: So a lot of that I think stays with you

15:35 Speaker 2: as you go through the years and you you continue

15:38 Speaker 2: on in this journey in terms of how the scene is.

15:42 Speaker 2: Are we in and out of it? We're kind of

15:44 Speaker 2: I mean we're part of the scene, but not part

15:46 Speaker 2: of the scene. We don't play Philadelphia as often as

15:50 Speaker 2: I think that we would like to. One the scene's

15:53 Speaker 2: changed so much. Our type of music is so niche

15:58 Speaker 2: that it's sometimes difficult to find not only a venue

16:03 Speaker 2: but an audience. And nowadays bills are mixed for a

16:08 Speaker 2: lot of independent bands, like You'll have. You could have

16:11 Speaker 2: an alternative and a punk rock type band us and

16:17 Speaker 2: then maybe you know, a thrash or a metal core

16:21 Speaker 2: or something like that, all on the same bill. So

16:24 Speaker 2: your audience, where it was, say in the eighties early nineties,

16:28 Speaker 2: was a combined audience. Now you have more of a

16:32 Speaker 2: diverse audience that may not stick around or come to

16:36 Speaker 2: that particular set. Sure, but you know, most people, I

16:41 Speaker 2: think even some of the younger players nowadays probably don't

16:45 Speaker 2: even realize the influences that they have being from the

16:49 Speaker 2: Philly scene because some of us were influenced by bands

16:54 Speaker 2: like you know, kind of like any legacy or lineage

16:58 Speaker 2: of anything, it's passed down whether you realize it or not,

17:03 Speaker 2: because it's happening around you, whether you're you're knowledgeable about

17:07 Speaker 2: it or not, because everybody else is doing it.

17:10 Speaker 1: Right, I mean, right, absolutely, Yeah, it's in the dna

17:13 Speaker 1: of the scene.

17:14 Speaker 2: I mean, kind of like soft pretzels in Philly. I'm

17:16 Speaker 2: sure people today don't know. They understand that there's a significance,

17:20 Speaker 2: but they don't understand maybe the whole history of Right,

17:24 Speaker 2: why are soft pretzels are the best in the world?

17:28 Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. Well, speaking of geography,

17:31 Speaker 1: you've had some uh some success internationally, right because you

17:35 Speaker 1: you've worked with labels I think, if I'm reading this right,

17:37 Speaker 1: in Germany and Mexico, not just in the US. Yes,

17:41 Speaker 1: you know, yes, yeah.

17:42 Speaker 2: We've been we've been. I mean, the band's been very fortunate.

17:45 Speaker 2: I mean, we're very grateful for everything that's happened for us.

17:49 Speaker 2: Even though we've been with some of the labels, we

17:52 Speaker 2: still consider ourselves an independent band. I mean because at

17:55 Speaker 2: the end of the day, it's you know, it's up

17:57 Speaker 2: to you, the artist or the band, uh to make

18:00 Speaker 2: these things happen, especially especially in today's market. I mean,

18:04 Speaker 2: things have changed so dramatically in the last five years

18:08 Speaker 2: that it's you often scratch your head at the end

18:12 Speaker 2: of the day and go, well, did I accomplish anything?

18:15 Speaker 2: You know, it's because there's so much noise out there, right,

18:18 Speaker 2: good and bad, you know. I mean, you know, you're

18:20 Speaker 2: competing with bands all over the world now right where

18:25 Speaker 2: you know, back you know, thirty years ago, forty years ago,

18:28 Speaker 2: I mean, there was a lot of bands, but you

18:30 Speaker 2: were you were just dealing with your local or regional area, right,

18:34 Speaker 2: and there was you know, there was there was hope, right,

18:37 Speaker 2: there was a way to get some air. But now

18:39 Speaker 2: you're dealing with bands everywhere, right, and the audience has

18:44 Speaker 2: access twenty four to seven, right, and it's it's instantaneous,

18:49 Speaker 2: like you know, I mean, I remember, you know, you

18:52 Speaker 2: had to order something out of a out of the

18:54 Speaker 2: back of a magazine and you had to wait two

18:56 Speaker 2: weeks before now you can order, and it's literally before

19:01 Speaker 2: you even finishing off the button, right already in your

19:04 Speaker 2: mailbox or wherever it's.

19:05 Speaker 1: Supposed to be right exactly. Yeah, it's uh, it's a yeah.

19:10 Speaker 1: We're I think we're fortunate in the sense that, you know,

19:14 Speaker 1: we're we're old enough to remember what it was like

19:17 Speaker 1: pre Internet, which helps us to also. I mean, you know,

19:20 Speaker 1: there there may be some downsides, but I think the

19:22 Speaker 1: upsides too, I mean, to be honest with you, I mean,

19:25 Speaker 1: I have wonderful memories of when I was a kid

19:26 Speaker 1: going to record stores and you know, finding stuff and

19:30 Speaker 1: you know, saying, oh, the cover of this looks cool,

19:31 Speaker 1: this looks interesting, and all of that. But I also

19:34 Speaker 1: but the way that we have it now, I would

19:36 Speaker 1: not trade that to go back, you know what I mean,

19:39 Speaker 1: because I love that we live in an era where

19:42 Speaker 1: if you know, if a song pops into my head

19:44 Speaker 1: just you know, and I've always you know, and I

19:46 Speaker 1: think most of us who are musicians have this where

19:48 Speaker 1: there's always something playing in the back of our heads.

19:50 Speaker 1: We always have kind of a soundtrack that we're walking

19:52 Speaker 1: around with, you know, even subconsciously, and you know, if

19:56 Speaker 1: something pops into my head and I'm like, oh, you know,

19:58 Speaker 1: I'd really like to hear that. Well, I can I

20:00 Speaker 1: hear it, you know, instantly, I can, I can pull

20:03 Speaker 1: it up and I do love it. But you know,

20:07 Speaker 1: people who you know, jen X is the last generation

20:09 Speaker 1: to grow up without the Internet, but people after us,

20:13 Speaker 1: And I don't know how old you are, but people

20:14 Speaker 1: after Obviously you're old enough to remember what it was

20:17 Speaker 1: like before we had had all of this before. You know,

20:21 Speaker 1: people who didn't experience that, they don't know just how

20:23 Speaker 1: good we have it now in terms of access and

20:28 Speaker 1: and I think I think one of the positives too,

20:30 Speaker 1: and I'm curious to get your thoughts on this. I

20:32 Speaker 1: think one of the positives is I think that where

20:35 Speaker 1: I think there's less of a uh uh generationalism, which

20:41 Speaker 1: I think is a term I just coined in terms

20:43 Speaker 1: of younger people. I think there was a time when

20:48 Speaker 1: younger people didn't want to listen necessarily to older music

20:51 Speaker 1: because they were so focused on what's current. You know.

20:55 Speaker 1: I remember having this conversation with my mother, like, you know,

20:58 Speaker 1: she wanted me to listen to the Beatles, and I

21:00 Speaker 1: was like, ah, that's old music. I remember saying that

21:02 Speaker 1: to her, I didn't want to listen to the Beatles.

21:03 Speaker 1: I wanted to listen to what I wanted to listen

21:05 Speaker 1: to it. You know, that was popular at the time.

21:08 Speaker 1: But I think now, because there's such easy access to

21:12 Speaker 1: absolutely everything, it's easier than ever for young people to

21:18 Speaker 1: get access to older music. So so I feel like

21:22 Speaker 1: there's almost this thing where people just generally aren't concerned

21:26 Speaker 1: with what's new and what's old. They just want to

21:28 Speaker 1: listen to whatever they like, and I think so I

21:31 Speaker 1: think the Internet has been helpful with that. And I

21:33 Speaker 1: also think it's been helpful in terms of older people

21:36 Speaker 1: because you know this, a lot of people they only

21:40 Speaker 1: like music up to whenever they graduated high school or college,

21:44 Speaker 1: or for some people, I think the cutoff age might

21:47 Speaker 1: be thirty, and then they don't want to listen to

21:49 Speaker 1: anything after that. They're like, all this, all this new

21:51 Speaker 1: music sucks. I only want to listen to this back

21:54 Speaker 1: when music was good, I only want to listen to that, right,

21:56 Speaker 1: That's how they think. But I think there's a lot

21:58 Speaker 1: less of that now too, because now older people have

22:02 Speaker 1: such easy access to you know, like you like, if

22:06 Speaker 1: someone's complaining, ah, there's no good new music, and you think, well,

22:09 Speaker 1: I know something you might like that's new. Here, I'll

22:11 Speaker 1: send you this. Click this link. See if you like this.

22:14 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. So I think that it's helped.

22:16 Speaker 1: I think it's I'm going to use that term again

22:18 Speaker 1: because I think it's so cool and I just made

22:19 Speaker 1: it up. I think it's eliminated a lot of the

22:22 Speaker 1: generationalism that exists. And that was a very long winded question,

22:27 Speaker 1: but I'm curious your thoughts now listen.

22:29 Speaker 2: Well, first, I agree, I think the average person. I

22:33 Speaker 2: think they even statistically they showed that most people kind

22:37 Speaker 2: of solidify their music taste by twenty twenty two, somewhere

22:42 Speaker 2: in college. Some people make that change in college, you know,

22:45 Speaker 2: because they're because that's when they exposed to a new

22:48 Speaker 2: life or different people, right, and so that's the thing

22:52 Speaker 2: that they emotionally connect to. And when they get older

22:56 Speaker 2: and they're stressing or they feel like they need whatever

23:00 Speaker 2: to go to their favorite music. We all do it.

23:02 Speaker 2: I mean I do it. I'm sure you do it,

23:03 Speaker 2: but I do. I do agree that like the Internet

23:06 Speaker 2: and the capabilities of it has opened up, you know,

23:12 Speaker 2: a vast world of connection for all of us, especially,

23:17 Speaker 2: I mean if just specifically speaking for musicians and artists

23:21 Speaker 2: and bands. I mean, you know, I remember trying to

23:24 Speaker 2: send it, you know, cassette tape to Jersey and it

23:27 Speaker 2: would take forever, and then you had to wait forever

23:29 Speaker 2: for some I mean sometimes three months would go by

23:31 Speaker 2: until you heard something. You're not sure if it got there,

23:35 Speaker 2: no way to track age, that kind of thing. Now

23:37 Speaker 2: everything's instantaneous, so you can be connecting with people all

23:40 Speaker 2: the time, you know, that's if they're not ghosting you

23:44 Speaker 2: or ignoring you and that type of thing. But so

23:46 Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of positives there. I think

23:49 Speaker 2: some of the negatives, you know, even though we're not

23:51 Speaker 2: supposed to talk negatives, is that you can easily get

23:54 Speaker 2: lost in the shuffle, and people can they can easily

23:59 Speaker 2: ignore you if they if they had to, because there's

24:01 Speaker 2: so much stuff going on. We have so many means

24:05 Speaker 2: of communication now that oftentimes people aren't even using them.

24:10 Speaker 2: Like we have email, and a certain demographic doesn't use

24:13 Speaker 2: email anymore. The true only check their email every you know,

24:17 Speaker 2: every other week or something like that. Even businesses I've

24:21 Speaker 2: I've found that, you know, if if they have email,

24:24 Speaker 2: they don't check their email that often, Well, then you

24:26 Speaker 2: shouldn't offer it for customer, for your audience or whatever

24:30 Speaker 2: right you got.

24:30 Speaker 1: You got to connect to them with social media because

24:33 Speaker 1: they're not You're right, they're using that not check. You know,

24:35 Speaker 1: maybe they're just using Instagram and they're not checking. They're

24:37 Speaker 1: not even checking their email. I've run into that exact thing. Yes,

24:41 Speaker 1: that is absolutely true.

24:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, which kind of then separates certain demographics that won't

24:46 Speaker 2: use like that, don't use those type of things. They

24:48 Speaker 2: still go traditional like I like being able to pick

24:51 Speaker 2: up the phone and maybe call somebody and say, hey,

24:54 Speaker 2: you know, I have a problem or or you know,

24:55 Speaker 2: let's connect this way. I'm still an email user, but

24:59 Speaker 2: I'm also in the generation when email was introduced and

25:02 Speaker 2: it was like, wow, this is amazing type of thing.

25:07 Speaker 2: You know, that that type of thing. I mean, I

25:09 Speaker 2: know there's you know, people that, like you said, they

25:11 Speaker 2: will only communicate via social media, and I think that

25:15 Speaker 2: that's I mean, there's limitations in that because you're limiting

25:19 Speaker 2: your audience maybe, but at the same time, if it's

25:22 Speaker 2: working for you and you're seeing results from it, then

25:24 Speaker 2: you're going to stick with it. So you know, like

25:27 Speaker 2: you said, I think it all depends on the situation

25:30 Speaker 2: of the person. But for music, I mean, again, your

25:34 Speaker 2: music's out there. I mean, your music can be heard,

25:37 Speaker 2: you don't know necessarily, like especially with like internet radio

25:41 Speaker 2: and some of the other stations, like you know, your

25:44 Speaker 2: terrestrial radio that's expanded to the Internet and stuff like that.

25:48 Speaker 2: And then with of course with podcasts and playlists and stuff.

25:51 Speaker 2: You have the opportunity to get your music out there.

25:54 Speaker 2: You've got to do a lot of legwork, especially if

25:56 Speaker 2: you're not paying for it, because you can there's you know,

26:00 Speaker 2: everything has is a price here nowadays, I think it's

26:03 Speaker 2: always kind of in that way. But in the early

26:07 Speaker 2: days of us just giving you an example, like you know,

26:10 Speaker 2: fifteen years ago when this band started, there was there

26:13 Speaker 2: was some price tiers, but they were far fewed between.

26:17 Speaker 2: Most people were kind of you know, doing it more

26:21 Speaker 2: as because they were fans themselves. They were trying to

26:23 Speaker 2: promote the music, you know, something like that. Now, because

26:27 Speaker 2: the audience has grown, of like, because everything now is

26:30 Speaker 2: basically online, isn't it, Like I mean, you can't do

26:33 Speaker 2: I mean even just shopping at some of your favorite

26:38 Speaker 2: you know, larger box stores there's things that they don't

26:40 Speaker 2: even carry in stores only online.

26:42 Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, Walmart does that.

26:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Walmart does it. On depot does it things

26:47 Speaker 2: like that. So it's almost like their shelves are empty,

26:50 Speaker 2: but online because now they're they're doing, you know, the

26:53 Speaker 2: same thing. They have resellers and sellers from all over

26:57 Speaker 2: different points, so exactly, I think that that's sometimes, you know,

27:01 Speaker 2: so now everything is that you know, somebody actually just

27:04 Speaker 2: told me. I was just talking to somebody last night

27:07 Speaker 2: and they said, hey, you know, you're doing really well,

27:09 Speaker 2: and he goes, yeah, I could probably do even better

27:11 Speaker 2: if I just decide to pay for this next thing.

27:14 Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, yeah, I guess you're right, because

27:16 Speaker 2: that's where everything is right now, is it. They're just

27:19 Speaker 2: trying to figure it out. So for bands, you just

27:22 Speaker 2: kind of kind of navigate the good and the bad

27:24 Speaker 2: the best that you can. But I think sticking to

27:27 Speaker 2: your guns, being true to what you do and you

27:30 Speaker 2: know and listen, you got to have some kind of

27:32 Speaker 2: fun with it. Hence why we decided to do covers

27:35 Speaker 2: after all these years, just hey, let's have some fun

27:38 Speaker 2: with it. What's what's we're not hurting anybody. Actually, I

27:42 Speaker 2: mean we're if anything, we're actually helping the bands, not

27:45 Speaker 2: that they they not that it's a big deal, but

27:47 Speaker 2: like we popularized more of the band that we're covering,

27:52 Speaker 2: then we're actually doing ourselves right in a way, because

27:57 Speaker 2: the reality of it is is most of us don't

27:59 Speaker 2: even we can't even get streaming royal piece from cover songs,

28:02 Speaker 2: because that's true, just outrageous because of the way the

28:05 Speaker 2: publishing is set up. So we're doing it more for

28:08 Speaker 2: the love of what we.

28:09 Speaker 1: Do, but sometimes it can help you really break through too,

28:11 Speaker 1: Like I Prevail. I don't know if you're a fan

28:14 Speaker 1: of them, but they they first broke because they did

28:18 Speaker 1: the cover. They did a cover of blank Space by

28:20 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift and that blew up online, that went viral,

28:24 Speaker 1: and next thing, you know, these guys are, you know,

28:26 Speaker 1: having a lot of success with their own music and

28:29 Speaker 1: and uh, you know they're they're a big band and

28:32 Speaker 1: you guys actually too, is this is this true? Crazy Horses?

28:35 Speaker 1: Because you mentioned you covered Crazy Horses by the Osmonds

28:38 Speaker 1: that that charted on the world Indie charts? Is that right?

28:41 Speaker 2: It did? It did? We were kind of excited about that. Yeah,

28:45 Speaker 2: you know, you know, it's it's it's bittersweet all at

28:48 Speaker 2: the same time, like, you know, our first real chart, well,

28:52 Speaker 2: I shouldn't say that our first charting song was actually

28:54 Speaker 2: one of our holiday songs, because you know how they

28:58 Speaker 2: when we do one every year or a couple of

29:01 Speaker 2: them every year, depending on the year. We love Christmas music.

29:05 Speaker 2: It's really there are most of them are original, so

29:08 Speaker 2: that was kind of cool. But at the same time,

29:11 Speaker 2: holiday music is kind of universal, you know what I'm saying,

29:15 Speaker 2: Like more you'd probably have more people liking in general

29:18 Speaker 2: holiday music than you would say new wave of traditional

29:22 Speaker 2: American heavy metal so to speak. You know that the numbers,

29:25 Speaker 2: you know, get lower, and our demographic is starting to

29:29 Speaker 2: age out, like they're just disappearing unfortunately. But anyway, yeah,

29:34 Speaker 2: that that that charted, and like I said, it was

29:35 Speaker 2: bittersweet because we were excited about it, but at the

29:38 Speaker 2: same time, it would be cool if it was our

29:40 Speaker 2: own music. But at the same time, we kind of

29:42 Speaker 2: made it our own, you know, we our sound is

29:45 Speaker 2: in there. We do this gallup thing, which is part

29:48 Speaker 2: of like a lot of what we do. It's in there,

29:50 Speaker 2: and we were excited about it and the Osmonds are

29:54 Speaker 2: a great group, and I realized people today may not

29:57 Speaker 2: realize how big the Osmonds were back in the seventies. Yeah,

30:01 Speaker 2: but they were just unbelievably huge, and they were on

30:05 Speaker 2: espcially during that time of their music. They were on

30:08 Speaker 2: track to really start becoming a hard rock band, but

30:12 Speaker 2: unfortunately that didn't pan out.

30:13 Speaker 1: For Yeah, that song crazy Horses. I wasn't even aware

30:17 Speaker 1: of that song until a few years ago. But I

30:18 Speaker 1: used to do there's another show here that's on another

30:22 Speaker 1: day here at the station that I used to be

30:23 Speaker 1: a co host on, and that's how that song was

30:26 Speaker 1: introduced to me. And I had never heard it before,

30:29 Speaker 1: and I didn't know it was the Osmonds until after

30:32 Speaker 1: the song, and I was like, what is that? That's

30:34 Speaker 1: so it's weird, but I like it. It's an odd song,

30:38 Speaker 1: but I really like it, and it was like, that's

30:39 Speaker 1: the Osman's ill. But I guess by that point too,

30:42 Speaker 1: you know, they had so much success because as you mentioned, yeah,

30:45 Speaker 1: they were very, very big. They had had so much

30:47 Speaker 1: success that they could kind of take some chances, and

30:49 Speaker 1: I think they really kind of took a chance with

30:51 Speaker 1: that song because it's such an oddity. But it's a

30:54 Speaker 1: cool song and the way you guys do it works

30:56 Speaker 1: really well. I did listen to that and I liked

30:58 Speaker 1: it a lot. Absolutely. I also want to ask you

31:02 Speaker 1: about because we're gonna let you go soon that the

31:04 Speaker 1: time goes quickly, but I want to ask you about

31:07 Speaker 1: this single never Count Me Out, because we're going to

31:09 Speaker 1: play this at the end of our conversation. And it's

31:11 Speaker 1: from the new EP, Forever Metal. And is that out yet?

31:14 Speaker 1: Is the EP already out or is it coming out

31:16 Speaker 1: or what's the status?

31:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, the EP's out. It's it's only available in CD. Okay,

31:23 Speaker 2: the single is available digitally, But yeah, we're kind of

31:27 Speaker 2: excited about it. It's kind of it's part of our

31:29 Speaker 2: you know, our our fifteen year anniversary that you know,

31:33 Speaker 2: we're just kind of restating our mission so to speak. Yeah,

31:37 Speaker 2: and the song is kind of in the same vein

31:40 Speaker 2: like you know, like you know, every everybody has their

31:43 Speaker 2: ups and downs, you know, bands constantly, and in this market,

31:49 Speaker 2: I mean, if you're going for more than two weeks

31:51 Speaker 2: like that, you know, if you're not, if there's no

31:53 Speaker 2: noise being being done quickly, forget about you. But yeah,

31:58 Speaker 2: this song is just again part of, you know, our

32:01 Speaker 2: restatement of our mission that you know, don't count us

32:04 Speaker 2: out yet because we're forever mental that type of idea.

32:07 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it very cool. I love

32:10 Speaker 1: the empowerment of that. Everything it's all, it's all good

32:12 Speaker 1: and it's very positive. So well, congratulations again on the

32:16 Speaker 1: fifteen year anniversary of the band. That's amazing of course,

32:19 Speaker 1: Corners of Sanctuary from Philadelphia and Mick, this has been wonderful.

32:23 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us this morning. And

32:25 Speaker 1: before I let you go and we're going to hit

32:27 Speaker 1: that track. But before I let you go, one more thing.

32:29 Speaker 1: Where's the best place for people to go online to

32:31 Speaker 1: keep up with everything? And we did talk about that

32:33 Speaker 1: a lot online. To keep up with everything that the

32:36 Speaker 1: band is doing, Corners of Sanctuary, you could just go to.

32:39 Speaker 2: Our official website Cornersosanctuary dot com and we have a

32:43 Speaker 2: ton of stuff there, our shows and we have some music.

32:46 Speaker 2: I think there's I think there's some free music download

32:49 Speaker 2: as well. You know, it just keeps you and you

32:51 Speaker 2: can get to all our socials from there as well.

32:54 Speaker 1: Outstanding. Perfect, Yeah, I was looking at the site earlier,

32:56 Speaker 1: so very good. All right, Mick, Michaels, thank you so much.

32:59 Speaker 1: We will definitely do this again in the future because

33:01 Speaker 1: obviously you guys are doing a lot of stuff, releasing

33:03 Speaker 1: a lot of new new music, so you know we'll

33:06 Speaker 1: have plenty of excuses to have you back on. But

33:07 Speaker 1: really enjoyed talking with you today, So thanks man.

33:10 Speaker 2: And you sir. I appreciate it.

33:11 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. And again I love the Kiss cover.

33:13 Speaker 1: I just got to get that in one more time.

33:15 Speaker 2: That's so good, awesome, awesome, thank you.

33:17 Speaker 1: All right, Mick, thank you, take care you too, Bye

33:20 Speaker 1: bye bye. All right. That is Mick Michaels from the

33:23 Speaker 1: band Corners of Sanctuary, and we're gonna end the segment

33:27 Speaker 1: with this. And but if you are listening live on Saturday,

33:30 Speaker 1: stick around. We got plenty more to come, but right

33:32 Speaker 1: now here it is. This is called Never Count Me Out.

33:35 Speaker 1: I love this song. Bye, Corners of Sanctuary.