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Corners of Sanctuary | Matt Connnarton Unleashed
Speaker 1: There it is Lock it Up as covered by Corners
Speaker 1: of Sanctuary and let's see. I think we've got Mick
Speaker 1: from the band on the line make are you there.
Speaker 2: Hey man, how you doing?
Speaker 1: Buddy good good, Welcome to the show. I love that,
Speaker 1: of course it. Kiss is my favorite band, so I
Speaker 1: was very very pleased to hear you guys doing that song.
Speaker 1: It's great. I love it.
Speaker 2: Thank you appreciate that. Yeah, Kiss is one of our
Speaker 2: favorite bands as well. I mean really kind of like
Speaker 2: if we had to go back, if we had any
Speaker 2: opportunity to play with Kiss that even even if they
Speaker 2: you know, but definitely would be the first in line.
Speaker 1: Oh no doubt. I like too. So you know, just
Speaker 1: a couple of subtle things about that, about your version
Speaker 1: of it, that non Kiss fans wouldn't even realize necessarily,
Speaker 1: but you kind of, you know, you augment it in
Speaker 1: terms of the arrangement because and again non Kiss fans
Speaker 1: wouldn't know this, but when you see Kiss live or
Speaker 1: when you did, because obviously they're not touring anymore, although
Speaker 1: I think they're doing a one off show maybe here
Speaker 1: or there now, but when they play look It Up live,
Speaker 1: the song, well geez by the time they got to
Speaker 1: the end of their run, the song was like three
Speaker 1: times longer than the studio version. But even in the
Speaker 1: eighties they would play a longer version with you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of extra parts added to it, you know,
Speaker 1: to make it, to make it it becomes almost epic live,
Speaker 1: even though it's a very the studio version is a
Speaker 1: very simple song. But I noticed, you know, you kind
Speaker 1: of borrow from the way they played it live, with
Speaker 1: a like guitar part that's not not in the studio version.
Speaker 1: I really like that because for a lot of us,
Speaker 1: that's how we kind of hear it in our heads
Speaker 1: because we're so used to hearing the live versions.
Speaker 2: We're in the Animalized tour, they started doing that, that
Speaker 2: extra part, and it struck me from the very first
Speaker 2: time that I heard it. It was like, wow, that
Speaker 2: was you know, And I remember trying to figure it
Speaker 2: out on guitar as a kid, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: this is awesome. And I always played it that way.
Speaker 2: It was always it was always kind of a cool way,
Speaker 2: and there was people that just that weren't familiar with
Speaker 2: seeing them live that had no idea what that part was.
Speaker 2: But I had always said, if we covered the song,
Speaker 2: or if I ever covered the song, I wanted to
Speaker 2: incorporate that because I've never heard anybody else do it.
Speaker 1: So it was just a cool piece that makes sense.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, by the way. Okay, So did you
Speaker 1: guys sneak in something else on that that I can't
Speaker 1: quite identify because coming out of the second chorus before
Speaker 1: you get to the to the last part, because there's
Speaker 1: no that song is unusual obviously in the Kiss catalog,
Speaker 1: and that there's no guitar solo that and Heaven's on Fire,
Speaker 1: of course there's no guitar solo, But I feel there's
Speaker 1: something else. I mean, you play the riff a little
Speaker 1: bit differently after the second chorus, But is that Is
Speaker 1: that taken from something? What I'm hearing in there? But
Speaker 1: there's something familiar about it and I can't place it.
Speaker 2: Well, No, it's just I think it's just the way
Speaker 2: that we decided to approach it. I mean, one of
Speaker 2: the things that my thinking was always and to digress
Speaker 2: just a little bit, never been a cover guitar player.
Speaker 2: I never played covers coming up through the ranks and
Speaker 2: all I never got into it to play covers. After
Speaker 2: COVID we decided as a band, hey why not. We
Speaker 2: have enough of our own original material, let's have some
Speaker 2: fun at this point. Like, it's not like we're trying
Speaker 2: to rip anybody off. But the idea was is, if
Speaker 2: you're ever going to do a cover, you got to
Speaker 2: do it just as good, if not better, or something
Speaker 2: so different that it makes people want to listen. Otherwise,
Speaker 2: why listen to it, because it would be you know,
Speaker 2: just go to the original that way. But we just
Speaker 2: I think it's a lot of accenting. The way our
Speaker 2: guitar playing is slightly different, but the bridge actually is
Speaker 2: slightly different than the original. We use a different chord progression.
Speaker 2: It sounds pretty close, but it's not exactly you know,
Speaker 2: the Dead on Vinnie Vincent version.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I love what you did with it.
Speaker 1: There was something about it though, I was like, that
Speaker 1: sounds like it's from something else, and I wonder if
Speaker 1: they snuck something in there from something else, but I
Speaker 1: couldn't play what it was. But no, that makes sense
Speaker 1: the way the way you describe it. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I think it came out great. And of course,
Speaker 1: you know, kiss fans will know by the time, you know,
Speaker 1: by the time they. I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you ever thought about doing this live, it would probably
Speaker 1: be too much. But you know, they were working in
Speaker 1: part of Won't Get Fooled Again, and you know, all this,
Speaker 1: all this stuff, the song became like this huge It's
Speaker 1: such a simple song, but it became this huge production
Speaker 1: live over the years, over the over the various tours.
Speaker 1: But do you guys, do you guys have plans to
Speaker 1: do any other covers because your originals and we're gonna
Speaker 1: play We're gonna play another single of yours at the
Speaker 1: end of our conversation, But do you guys plan to
Speaker 1: do any other covers or or is it mostly originals?
Speaker 2: Well, we're mostly an original band, but we had, like
Speaker 2: I said, we've been kind of peppering in some covers
Speaker 2: over the last few years. We actually when this song released,
Speaker 2: we also released a version of rats What You Give
Speaker 2: Is What You Get.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: At the same time, what we did was is a
Speaker 2: couple of years back, we released a like a cover
Speaker 2: EP like some songs from Judas Priest and def Leppard.
Speaker 2: We even did an Osmond song Crazy Horses, our version
Speaker 2: of it, and we did a song from Warrant Inside Out,
Speaker 2: So we wanted to do a couple more covers, so
Speaker 2: we actually re released a deluxe version of that EP
Speaker 2: that included these two. So we only and we do
Speaker 2: I mean, we do a cover of Paranoid we released
Speaker 2: a few years ago for Christmas, but in the set,
Speaker 2: like our live set, we only do two songs, and
Speaker 2: that's occasional. Depends on where we're at. We either do
Speaker 2: Paranoid or Break in the Law. But we have been
Speaker 2: talking about doing some more and looks like I said,
Speaker 2: it's kind of more of a fun thing.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: We may do Hair of the Dog from Nazareth. We
Speaker 2: have a souped up version of that we fool around
Speaker 2: with in Reheard, just as a warm up. But we've
Speaker 2: been saying, hey, maybe maybe we should do something.
Speaker 1: With it that would be cool. I like your I
Speaker 1: like your approach too with the covers because a lot
Speaker 1: of I mean, well, I guess you know, and you'll
Speaker 1: find this with original bands when original bands do covers,
Speaker 1: so I suppose it's not unusual. But you know, you
Speaker 1: were talking about how a lot of bands and it's
Speaker 1: this is more for bands that are specifically doing covers,
Speaker 1: they'll try to be as faithful to the original as possible,
Speaker 1: and I kind of feel about it. You know, you
Speaker 1: expressed a thought about that that's very much aligned with
Speaker 1: how I've always felt about it. I'd rather hear somebody
Speaker 1: kind of put their own spin on it, because if
Speaker 1: I wanted to hear something exactly like the original, yeah,
Speaker 1: I could just listen to the original, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't need to. I don't I don't need to hear
Speaker 1: someone playing it note for note exactly what it was already.
Speaker 1: I kind of like when it when something is sounding
Speaker 1: a little bit different, you know, I want to hear
Speaker 1: your interpretation of the song, not necessarily what the song
Speaker 1: already is, because then really kind of what's the point,
Speaker 1: you know. So I really like your approach to that,
Speaker 1: and like I said, I love what you did with
Speaker 1: look it up. And of course, as a kiss fan,
Speaker 1: I had to geek out over that for a few minutes.
Speaker 2: But thank you. But you guys are absolutely you got to.
Speaker 2: I think you do have to put your own spin
Speaker 2: on it to make it more interesting, I mean without
Speaker 2: I mean, and I know there's versions of songs that
Speaker 2: are out there that may be so different than the original,
Speaker 2: and that's what throws people off because they're stuck on
Speaker 2: the original. But at the same time, there is something
Speaker 2: exciting about that because the artists themselves are trying to
Speaker 2: I mean, they're showing besides the point of like, you know,
Speaker 2: in the industry, you pick a song that's going to
Speaker 2: help you get an audience, which I understand all that, right,
Speaker 2: You take a popular song. A lot of times the
Speaker 2: songs that are covered aren't usually obscure songs. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, it's the artists that's maybe drawn to
Speaker 2: those particular songs. Being an indie artist, it's a little
Speaker 2: easier you have that you don't have someone breathing down
Speaker 2: your neck and saying, hey, you have to do this,
Speaker 2: have to do that, right, And it's a way of
Speaker 2: expressing yourself through some of your favorite artists music.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh very well, put yeah exactly exactly. Now you
Speaker 1: guys have been tell me how you feel about this label.
Speaker 1: You know, because we're always obviously in the music industry,
Speaker 1: we always have to put things in categories, and some
Speaker 1: people don't like that, but it does make it a
Speaker 1: little bit easier to try to figure out, you know,
Speaker 1: to try to navigate. You know. It's like when I
Speaker 1: worked in a record store. I remember, you know, there
Speaker 1: were always people who thought, well, we shouldn't have all
Speaker 1: these different categories, and it's like, well, it does make
Speaker 1: it a little bit easier to find what you're looking for.
Speaker 1: But you guys have been labeled the new wave of
Speaker 1: traditional American heavy metal. Part of that. How do you
Speaker 1: feel about that? Is that do you think that that's
Speaker 1: an accurate description of what Corners of Sanctuary is?
Speaker 2: I think so. I mean, you know, for for the
Speaker 2: longest time, at least in my world, it was just
Speaker 2: heavy metal, and somewhere that changed, like what metals not
Speaker 2: the metal that say I know, and again that could
Speaker 2: be a generational thing, and things became so specific that
Speaker 2: you had to kind of find somewhere to be put,
Speaker 2: especially if they if they're not sure where to put you,
Speaker 2: because you can get lost, which I think happens anyway
Speaker 2: now because of the oversaturation of everything that there is.
Speaker 2: But no, I think it's not It's not bad because
Speaker 2: I mean, the truth is, we're a collection of our influences,
Speaker 2: which you know is heavily the new wave of British
Speaker 2: heavy metal as well as you know, American metal at
Speaker 2: that time, like Kiss, you know, you know, even in
Speaker 2: the early eighties, you know, with with as as bands
Speaker 2: like Queenswick were coming up and and Sabotage and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. There there was a heavy influence, you know,
Speaker 2: long before things were coined as hair metal. Some of
Speaker 2: those bands were a little heavier, a little edgier, and
Speaker 2: then you know, hair metal kind of just like by
Speaker 2: the late eighties early nineties just of became uh like
Speaker 2: rock with with bigger hair, tighter pants, and you know,
Speaker 2: flashier approaches. That's really kind of you know, it went more.
Speaker 2: It was mainstream metal at that point. That it's probably
Speaker 2: more of an accurate description of it than hair metal
Speaker 2: because everybody got linked into hair metal or who you
Speaker 2: were at that at that point, you know, at that point.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's I'm okay with it. Listen,
Speaker 2: We've been compared to over the years, and we've never
Speaker 2: complained about We've been compared to anywhere from Judas Priest
Speaker 2: to Anthrax di zz Top, and you know, though we
Speaker 2: may not sound like any of them, there may be
Speaker 2: bits and pieces, but you know, I mean, I definitely
Speaker 2: know we don't sound like zz Top, but I'm not
Speaker 2: going to complain about it.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: People are going to hear what they hear and how
Speaker 2: it resonates to them. So I remember I did an
Speaker 2: interview a couple of years ago and someone said we
Speaker 2: sounded like White Snake, and to me, that's awesome. But
Speaker 2: and they were referring to the more supergroup White Snake,
Speaker 2: and I was like, wow, that's not necessarily it. But
Speaker 2: that's okay because that's what they they hear, what works
Speaker 2: for them, how they put it all together. So someone's
Speaker 2: one person's heavy is not necessarily someone else is heavy,
Speaker 2: and vice versa. So to me, like you know, old
Speaker 2: White Snake, like when John Sykes was in the band,
Speaker 2: to me like, that's because John Sykes was a huge
Speaker 2: influence on my guitar playing. Oh okay, especially when he
Speaker 2: was playing with Cozy Powell. There was a lot of
Speaker 2: like how song structure and rhythm and groove were taught
Speaker 2: to me. Like I remember when I was when I
Speaker 2: was a kid, somebody handed me slide it in and said, here,
Speaker 2: study this album. This is where we want you to go.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, okay, and believe it or not.
Speaker 2: Since that, I mean, I was like I don't know
Speaker 2: when I was thirteen fourteen, Since then, I've used that
Speaker 2: same that same cassette or same album whatever, when I've
Speaker 2: worked with other you know, musicians, I go here, take
Speaker 2: a listen to this, and listen how this is put together.
Speaker 2: How the drums and the bass work together with that
Speaker 2: backup rhythm guitar. That's that's what we're looking for, you know,
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. So it made an impression on me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for people who don't know to slide it
Speaker 1: in as a great album, you know, it's before because
Speaker 1: obviously people who only know White Snake casually they know,
Speaker 1: you know, here I go again and all the they're
Speaker 1: really big hits from nineteen eighty seven. But the earlier
Speaker 1: stuff is and I'm not I love all that stuff too,
Speaker 1: by the way, but the earlier White Snake stuff is
Speaker 1: really you know, slow and easy is probably my favorite
Speaker 1: White Snakes. It's just so dead, you know. I love
Speaker 1: the I love the early stuff. But John Syke's absolutely incredible. Now,
Speaker 1: you guys formed in twenty eleven in Philadelphia, is that correct?
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, we're celebrating fifteen years this year.
Speaker 1: Oh congratulations. That's fantastic. That's fantastic. It's the sound of
Speaker 1: Philadelphia influenced you guys much. I mean, I always hear
Speaker 1: people refer to you know, the kind of the mean
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I mean, obviously, when people
Speaker 1: think about Philadelphia and music, they don't necessarily think about
Speaker 1: heavy metal. They think more about soul music. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think about Hollowotes because I'm a huge Hollo Ootes
Speaker 1: fan and they're from Philly. But I mean, is there
Speaker 1: is there anything from that scene that you've taken inspiration from,
Speaker 1: either at the beginning when you formed the band, or
Speaker 1: over the years, or do you kind of exist are
Speaker 1: you in it but not of it, or of it
Speaker 1: but not in it in the in terms of the
Speaker 1: scene there, however that works, well, you know what.
Speaker 2: That's a fantastic question. It's actually all of that. And
Speaker 2: so you can't say that, you like, everybody from Philly,
Speaker 2: especially of a certain age, was influenced by the soul
Speaker 2: and the R and B that that took place here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it had its own style, its own sound, everything, and
Speaker 2: it influenced a lot of that early rock that was
Speaker 2: happening in the scene in the late seventies in the
Speaker 2: early eighties, even though at the time the scene here
Speaker 2: was a cover scene, but it was a cover scene everywhere.
Speaker 2: It didn't start breaking until an original scene until like
Speaker 2: eighty three, eighty four. But we've had I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: Cinderella came out of Philadelphia. We had Britney Fox come
Speaker 2: out of Philadelphia. We had Heaven's Edge, we had Tangier,
Speaker 2: there was a lot of big bands that were signed
Speaker 2: that came out. We had Teas or rough House that
Speaker 2: they had to change their name. So was there an
Speaker 2: inspiration from that? Absolutely, Like I was fortunate enough in
Speaker 2: the eighties, I was a fan and I also got
Speaker 2: to play in the scene in the later part of
Speaker 2: the eighties into the early nineties, So there was a
Speaker 2: huge influence, you know, because as a kid, Philadelphia was
Speaker 2: the big time us, Like we didn't think of La
Speaker 2: you know, nobody in eighty six, nobody was. I mean,
Speaker 2: there was people going out to LA just because there
Speaker 2: was Hollywood and stuff, but the there was something happening
Speaker 2: here in Philly. So there was a huge influence on
Speaker 2: all levels. And I think that that stuck with me.
Speaker 2: So there is definitely that type of thing, you know,
Speaker 2: like how how the club scene was and and every
Speaker 2: event that happened was like a was a show, like
Speaker 2: a big like it was an event. It was every
Speaker 2: show was an event, I should say, like it was
Speaker 2: like going to you know, the Spectrum or Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 2: Even if it was just a small club, everybody was
Speaker 2: dressed up, there was lights, it was it was a spectacle.
Speaker 2: So a lot of that I think stays with you
Speaker 2: as you go through the years and you you continue
Speaker 2: on in this journey in terms of how the scene is.
Speaker 2: Are we in and out of it? We're kind of
Speaker 2: I mean we're part of the scene, but not part
Speaker 2: of the scene. We don't play Philadelphia as often as
Speaker 2: I think that we would like to. One the scene's
Speaker 2: changed so much. Our type of music is so niche
Speaker 2: that it's sometimes difficult to find not only a venue
Speaker 2: but an audience. And nowadays bills are mixed for a
Speaker 2: lot of independent bands, like You'll have. You could have
Speaker 2: an alternative and a punk rock type band us and
Speaker 2: then maybe you know, a thrash or a metal core
Speaker 2: or something like that, all on the same bill. So
Speaker 2: your audience, where it was, say in the eighties early nineties,
Speaker 2: was a combined audience. Now you have more of a
Speaker 2: diverse audience that may not stick around or come to
Speaker 2: that particular set. Sure, but you know, most people, I
Speaker 2: think even some of the younger players nowadays probably don't
Speaker 2: even realize the influences that they have being from the
Speaker 2: Philly scene because some of us were influenced by bands
Speaker 2: like you know, kind of like any legacy or lineage
Speaker 2: of anything, it's passed down whether you realize it or not,
Speaker 2: because it's happening around you, whether you're you're knowledgeable about
Speaker 2: it or not, because everybody else is doing it.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, right, absolutely, Yeah, it's in the dna
Speaker 1: of the scene.
Speaker 2: I mean, kind of like soft pretzels in Philly. I'm
Speaker 2: sure people today don't know. They understand that there's a significance,
Speaker 2: but they don't understand maybe the whole history of Right,
Speaker 2: why are soft pretzels are the best in the world?
Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. Well, speaking of geography,
Speaker 1: you've had some uh some success internationally, right because you
Speaker 1: you've worked with labels I think, if I'm reading this right,
Speaker 1: in Germany and Mexico, not just in the US. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: We've been we've been. I mean, the band's been very fortunate.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're very grateful for everything that's happened for us.
Speaker 2: Even though we've been with some of the labels, we
Speaker 2: still consider ourselves an independent band. I mean because at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, it's you know, it's up
Speaker 2: to you, the artist or the band, uh to make
Speaker 2: these things happen, especially especially in today's market. I mean,
Speaker 2: things have changed so dramatically in the last five years
Speaker 2: that it's you often scratch your head at the end
Speaker 2: of the day and go, well, did I accomplish anything?
Speaker 2: You know, it's because there's so much noise out there, right,
Speaker 2: good and bad, you know. I mean, you know, you're
Speaker 2: competing with bands all over the world now right where
Speaker 2: you know, back you know, thirty years ago, forty years ago,
Speaker 2: I mean, there was a lot of bands, but you
Speaker 2: were you were just dealing with your local or regional area, right,
Speaker 2: and there was you know, there was there was hope, right,
Speaker 2: there was a way to get some air. But now
Speaker 2: you're dealing with bands everywhere, right, and the audience has
Speaker 2: access twenty four to seven, right, and it's it's instantaneous,
Speaker 2: like you know, I mean, I remember, you know, you
Speaker 2: had to order something out of a out of the
Speaker 2: back of a magazine and you had to wait two
Speaker 2: weeks before now you can order, and it's literally before
Speaker 2: you even finishing off the button, right already in your
Speaker 2: mailbox or wherever it's.
Speaker 1: Supposed to be right exactly. Yeah, it's uh, it's a yeah.
Speaker 1: We're I think we're fortunate in the sense that, you know,
Speaker 1: we're we're old enough to remember what it was like
Speaker 1: pre Internet, which helps us to also. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: there there may be some downsides, but I think the
Speaker 1: upsides too, I mean, to be honest with you, I mean,
Speaker 1: I have wonderful memories of when I was a kid
Speaker 1: going to record stores and you know, finding stuff and
Speaker 1: you know, saying, oh, the cover of this looks cool,
Speaker 1: this looks interesting, and all of that. But I also
Speaker 1: but the way that we have it now, I would
Speaker 1: not trade that to go back, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because I love that we live in an era where
Speaker 1: if you know, if a song pops into my head
Speaker 1: just you know, and I've always you know, and I
Speaker 1: think most of us who are musicians have this where
Speaker 1: there's always something playing in the back of our heads.
Speaker 1: We always have kind of a soundtrack that we're walking
Speaker 1: around with, you know, even subconsciously, and you know, if
Speaker 1: something pops into my head and I'm like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'd really like to hear that. Well, I can I
Speaker 1: hear it, you know, instantly, I can, I can pull
Speaker 1: it up and I do love it. But you know,
Speaker 1: people who you know, jen X is the last generation
Speaker 1: to grow up without the Internet, but people after us,
Speaker 1: And I don't know how old you are, but people
Speaker 1: after Obviously you're old enough to remember what it was
Speaker 1: like before we had had all of this before. You know,
Speaker 1: people who didn't experience that, they don't know just how
Speaker 1: good we have it now in terms of access and
Speaker 1: and I think I think one of the positives too,
Speaker 1: and I'm curious to get your thoughts on this. I
Speaker 1: think one of the positives is I think that where
Speaker 1: I think there's less of a uh uh generationalism, which
Speaker 1: I think is a term I just coined in terms
Speaker 1: of younger people. I think there was a time when
Speaker 1: younger people didn't want to listen necessarily to older music
Speaker 1: because they were so focused on what's current. You know.
Speaker 1: I remember having this conversation with my mother, like, you know,
Speaker 1: she wanted me to listen to the Beatles, and I
Speaker 1: was like, ah, that's old music. I remember saying that
Speaker 1: to her, I didn't want to listen to the Beatles.
Speaker 1: I wanted to listen to what I wanted to listen
Speaker 1: to it. You know, that was popular at the time.
Speaker 1: But I think now, because there's such easy access to
Speaker 1: absolutely everything, it's easier than ever for young people to
Speaker 1: get access to older music. So so I feel like
Speaker 1: there's almost this thing where people just generally aren't concerned
Speaker 1: with what's new and what's old. They just want to
Speaker 1: listen to whatever they like, and I think so I
Speaker 1: think the Internet has been helpful with that. And I
Speaker 1: also think it's been helpful in terms of older people
Speaker 1: because you know this, a lot of people they only
Speaker 1: like music up to whenever they graduated high school or college,
Speaker 1: or for some people, I think the cutoff age might
Speaker 1: be thirty, and then they don't want to listen to
Speaker 1: anything after that. They're like, all this, all this new
Speaker 1: music sucks. I only want to listen to this back
Speaker 1: when music was good, I only want to listen to that, right,
Speaker 1: That's how they think. But I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: less of that now too, because now older people have
Speaker 1: such easy access to you know, like you like, if
Speaker 1: someone's complaining, ah, there's no good new music, and you think, well,
Speaker 1: I know something you might like that's new. Here, I'll
Speaker 1: send you this. Click this link. See if you like this.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. So I think that it's helped.
Speaker 1: I think it's I'm going to use that term again
Speaker 1: because I think it's so cool and I just made
Speaker 1: it up. I think it's eliminated a lot of the
Speaker 1: generationalism that exists. And that was a very long winded question,
Speaker 1: but I'm curious your thoughts now listen.
Speaker 2: Well, first, I agree, I think the average person. I
Speaker 2: think they even statistically they showed that most people kind
Speaker 2: of solidify their music taste by twenty twenty two, somewhere
Speaker 2: in college. Some people make that change in college, you know,
Speaker 2: because they're because that's when they exposed to a new
Speaker 2: life or different people, right, and so that's the thing
Speaker 2: that they emotionally connect to. And when they get older
Speaker 2: and they're stressing or they feel like they need whatever
Speaker 2: to go to their favorite music. We all do it.
Speaker 2: I mean I do it. I'm sure you do it,
Speaker 2: but I do. I do agree that like the Internet
Speaker 2: and the capabilities of it has opened up, you know,
Speaker 2: a vast world of connection for all of us, especially,
Speaker 2: I mean if just specifically speaking for musicians and artists
Speaker 2: and bands. I mean, you know, I remember trying to
Speaker 2: send it, you know, cassette tape to Jersey and it
Speaker 2: would take forever, and then you had to wait forever
Speaker 2: for some I mean sometimes three months would go by
Speaker 2: until you heard something. You're not sure if it got there,
Speaker 2: no way to track age, that kind of thing. Now
Speaker 2: everything's instantaneous, so you can be connecting with people all
Speaker 2: the time, you know, that's if they're not ghosting you
Speaker 2: or ignoring you and that type of thing. But so
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of positives there. I think
Speaker 2: some of the negatives, you know, even though we're not
Speaker 2: supposed to talk negatives, is that you can easily get
Speaker 2: lost in the shuffle, and people can they can easily
Speaker 2: ignore you if they if they had to, because there's
Speaker 2: so much stuff going on. We have so many means
Speaker 2: of communication now that oftentimes people aren't even using them.
Speaker 2: Like we have email, and a certain demographic doesn't use
Speaker 2: email anymore. The true only check their email every you know,
Speaker 2: every other week or something like that. Even businesses I've
Speaker 2: I've found that, you know, if if they have email,
Speaker 2: they don't check their email that often, Well, then you
Speaker 2: shouldn't offer it for customer, for your audience or whatever
Speaker 2: right you got.
Speaker 1: You got to connect to them with social media because
Speaker 1: they're not You're right, they're using that not check. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe they're just using Instagram and they're not checking. They're
Speaker 1: not even checking their email. I've run into that exact thing. Yes,
Speaker 1: that is absolutely true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which kind of then separates certain demographics that won't
Speaker 2: use like that, don't use those type of things. They
Speaker 2: still go traditional like I like being able to pick
Speaker 2: up the phone and maybe call somebody and say, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, I have a problem or or you know,
Speaker 2: let's connect this way. I'm still an email user, but
Speaker 2: I'm also in the generation when email was introduced and
Speaker 2: it was like, wow, this is amazing type of thing.
Speaker 2: You know, that that type of thing. I mean, I
Speaker 2: know there's you know, people that, like you said, they
Speaker 2: will only communicate via social media, and I think that
Speaker 2: that's I mean, there's limitations in that because you're limiting
Speaker 2: your audience maybe, but at the same time, if it's
Speaker 2: working for you and you're seeing results from it, then
Speaker 2: you're going to stick with it. So you know, like
Speaker 2: you said, I think it all depends on the situation
Speaker 2: of the person. But for music, I mean, again, your
Speaker 2: music's out there. I mean, your music can be heard,
Speaker 2: you don't know necessarily, like especially with like internet radio
Speaker 2: and some of the other stations, like you know, your
Speaker 2: terrestrial radio that's expanded to the Internet and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And then with of course with podcasts and playlists and stuff.
Speaker 2: You have the opportunity to get your music out there.
Speaker 2: You've got to do a lot of legwork, especially if
Speaker 2: you're not paying for it, because you can there's you know,
Speaker 2: everything has is a price here nowadays, I think it's
Speaker 2: always kind of in that way. But in the early
Speaker 2: days of us just giving you an example, like you know,
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago when this band started, there was there
Speaker 2: was some price tiers, but they were far fewed between.
Speaker 2: Most people were kind of you know, doing it more
Speaker 2: as because they were fans themselves. They were trying to
Speaker 2: promote the music, you know, something like that. Now, because
Speaker 2: the audience has grown, of like, because everything now is
Speaker 2: basically online, isn't it, Like I mean, you can't do
Speaker 2: I mean even just shopping at some of your favorite
Speaker 2: you know, larger box stores there's things that they don't
Speaker 2: even carry in stores only online.
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, Walmart does that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Walmart does it. On depot does it things
Speaker 2: like that. So it's almost like their shelves are empty,
Speaker 2: but online because now they're they're doing, you know, the
Speaker 2: same thing. They have resellers and sellers from all over
Speaker 2: different points, so exactly, I think that that's sometimes, you know,
Speaker 2: so now everything is that you know, somebody actually just
Speaker 2: told me. I was just talking to somebody last night
Speaker 2: and they said, hey, you know, you're doing really well,
Speaker 2: and he goes, yeah, I could probably do even better
Speaker 2: if I just decide to pay for this next thing.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, yeah, I guess you're right, because
Speaker 2: that's where everything is right now, is it. They're just
Speaker 2: trying to figure it out. So for bands, you just
Speaker 2: kind of kind of navigate the good and the bad
Speaker 2: the best that you can. But I think sticking to
Speaker 2: your guns, being true to what you do and you
Speaker 2: know and listen, you got to have some kind of
Speaker 2: fun with it. Hence why we decided to do covers
Speaker 2: after all these years, just hey, let's have some fun
Speaker 2: with it. What's what's we're not hurting anybody. Actually, I
Speaker 2: mean we're if anything, we're actually helping the bands, not
Speaker 2: that they they not that it's a big deal, but
Speaker 2: like we popularized more of the band that we're covering,
Speaker 2: then we're actually doing ourselves right in a way, because
Speaker 2: the reality of it is is most of us don't
Speaker 2: even we can't even get streaming royal piece from cover songs,
Speaker 2: because that's true, just outrageous because of the way the
Speaker 2: publishing is set up. So we're doing it more for
Speaker 2: the love of what we.
Speaker 1: Do, but sometimes it can help you really break through too,
Speaker 1: Like I Prevail. I don't know if you're a fan
Speaker 1: of them, but they they first broke because they did
Speaker 1: the cover. They did a cover of blank Space by
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift and that blew up online, that went viral,
Speaker 1: and next thing, you know, these guys are, you know,
Speaker 1: having a lot of success with their own music and
Speaker 1: and uh, you know they're they're a big band and
Speaker 1: you guys actually too, is this is this true? Crazy Horses?
Speaker 1: Because you mentioned you covered Crazy Horses by the Osmonds
Speaker 1: that that charted on the world Indie charts? Is that right?
Speaker 2: It did? It did? We were kind of excited about that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, it's it's it's bittersweet all at
Speaker 2: the same time, like, you know, our first real chart, well,
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say that our first charting song was actually
Speaker 2: one of our holiday songs, because you know how they
Speaker 2: when we do one every year or a couple of
Speaker 2: them every year, depending on the year. We love Christmas music.
Speaker 2: It's really there are most of them are original, so
Speaker 2: that was kind of cool. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: holiday music is kind of universal, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like more you'd probably have more people liking in general
Speaker 2: holiday music than you would say new wave of traditional
Speaker 2: American heavy metal so to speak. You know that the numbers,
Speaker 2: you know, get lower, and our demographic is starting to
Speaker 2: age out, like they're just disappearing unfortunately. But anyway, yeah,
Speaker 2: that that that charted, and like I said, it was
Speaker 2: bittersweet because we were excited about it, but at the
Speaker 2: same time, it would be cool if it was our
Speaker 2: own music. But at the same time, we kind of
Speaker 2: made it our own, you know, we our sound is
Speaker 2: in there. We do this gallup thing, which is part
Speaker 2: of like a lot of what we do. It's in there,
Speaker 2: and we were excited about it and the Osmonds are
Speaker 2: a great group, and I realized people today may not
Speaker 2: realize how big the Osmonds were back in the seventies. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but they were just unbelievably huge, and they were on
Speaker 2: espcially during that time of their music. They were on
Speaker 2: track to really start becoming a hard rock band, but
Speaker 2: unfortunately that didn't pan out.
Speaker 1: For Yeah, that song crazy Horses. I wasn't even aware
Speaker 1: of that song until a few years ago. But I
Speaker 1: used to do there's another show here that's on another
Speaker 1: day here at the station that I used to be
Speaker 1: a co host on, and that's how that song was
Speaker 1: introduced to me. And I had never heard it before,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know it was the Osmonds until after
Speaker 1: the song, and I was like, what is that? That's
Speaker 1: so it's weird, but I like it. It's an odd song,
Speaker 1: but I really like it, and it was like, that's
Speaker 1: the Osman's ill. But I guess by that point too,
Speaker 1: you know, they had so much success because as you mentioned, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were very, very big. They had had so much
Speaker 1: success that they could kind of take some chances, and
Speaker 1: I think they really kind of took a chance with
Speaker 1: that song because it's such an oddity. But it's a
Speaker 1: cool song and the way you guys do it works
Speaker 1: really well. I did listen to that and I liked
Speaker 1: it a lot. Absolutely. I also want to ask you
Speaker 1: about because we're gonna let you go soon that the
Speaker 1: time goes quickly, but I want to ask you about
Speaker 1: this single never Count Me Out, because we're going to
Speaker 1: play this at the end of our conversation. And it's
Speaker 1: from the new EP, Forever Metal. And is that out yet?
Speaker 1: Is the EP already out or is it coming out
Speaker 1: or what's the status?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, the EP's out. It's it's only available in CD. Okay,
Speaker 2: the single is available digitally, But yeah, we're kind of
Speaker 2: excited about it. It's kind of it's part of our
Speaker 2: you know, our our fifteen year anniversary that you know,
Speaker 2: we're just kind of restating our mission so to speak. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and the song is kind of in the same vein
Speaker 2: like you know, like you know, every everybody has their
Speaker 2: ups and downs, you know, bands constantly, and in this market,
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're going for more than two weeks
Speaker 2: like that, you know, if you're not, if there's no
Speaker 2: noise being being done quickly, forget about you. But yeah,
Speaker 2: this song is just again part of, you know, our
Speaker 2: restatement of our mission that you know, don't count us
Speaker 2: out yet because we're forever mental that type of idea.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it very cool. I love
Speaker 1: the empowerment of that. Everything it's all, it's all good
Speaker 1: and it's very positive. So well, congratulations again on the
Speaker 1: fifteen year anniversary of the band. That's amazing of course,
Speaker 1: Corners of Sanctuary from Philadelphia and Mick, this has been wonderful.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us this morning. And
Speaker 1: before I let you go and we're going to hit
Speaker 1: that track. But before I let you go, one more thing.
Speaker 1: Where's the best place for people to go online to
Speaker 1: keep up with everything? And we did talk about that
Speaker 1: a lot online. To keep up with everything that the
Speaker 1: band is doing, Corners of Sanctuary, you could just go to.
Speaker 2: Our official website Cornersosanctuary dot com and we have a
Speaker 2: ton of stuff there, our shows and we have some music.
Speaker 2: I think there's I think there's some free music download
Speaker 2: as well. You know, it just keeps you and you
Speaker 2: can get to all our socials from there as well.
Speaker 1: Outstanding. Perfect, Yeah, I was looking at the site earlier,
Speaker 1: so very good. All right, Mick, Michaels, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: We will definitely do this again in the future because
Speaker 1: obviously you guys are doing a lot of stuff, releasing
Speaker 1: a lot of new new music, so you know we'll
Speaker 1: have plenty of excuses to have you back on. But
Speaker 1: really enjoyed talking with you today, So thanks man.
Speaker 2: And you sir. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. And again I love the Kiss cover.
Speaker 1: I just got to get that in one more time.
Speaker 2: That's so good, awesome, awesome, thank you.
Speaker 1: All right, Mick, thank you, take care you too, Bye
Speaker 1: bye bye. All right. That is Mick Michaels from the
Speaker 1: band Corners of Sanctuary, and we're gonna end the segment
Speaker 1: with this. And but if you are listening live on Saturday,
Speaker 1: stick around. We got plenty more to come, but right
Speaker 1: now here it is. This is called Never Count Me Out.
Speaker 1: I love this song. Bye, Corners of Sanctuary.
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