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3:37 Speaker 9: Oh that's a banger. I love that. That is called

3:39 Speaker 9: No Anchor. The band is The Joy Thieves and the

3:42 Speaker 9: album is called Apocalypse Pending. And we've got let me

3:46 Speaker 9: bring that up here. We've got Dan Milligan from The

3:48 Speaker 9: Joy Thieves here with us via Microsoft Teams. Hello.

3:51 Speaker 8: Dan, Hey there great, Thanks so much for having me.

3:53 Speaker 8: I appreciate it absolutely.

3:55 Speaker 9: I'm really excited to talk to you because, uh, I

3:57 Speaker 9: love that track. I love everything. Of course you send

3:59 Speaker 9: us the whole album. I was into the whole thing.

4:01 Speaker 9: It's really really good and I love the project. But

4:05 Speaker 9: I almost don't know how to describe it. It's like

4:07 Speaker 9: it's a supergroup, but it's really more like a super collective, right,

4:10 Speaker 9: because you've got a lot of people involved in this,

4:13 Speaker 9: but they're all come with some pretty impressive resumes.

4:17 Speaker 10: Yeah. You know, as of.

4:18 Speaker 8: Now, we've been going for maybe like seven or eight years,

4:21 Speaker 8: and I think there's over eighty people who've been involved

4:23 Speaker 8: now from bands from all over the world. So yeah,

4:26 Speaker 8: it is, I guess like a supergroup, but it involves

4:29 Speaker 8: people not just here in Chicago where I am, but

4:31 Speaker 8: all over the planet.

4:33 Speaker 9: How do you, I mean, how do you manage all

4:36 Speaker 9: of that? Because you're the what is your role in this?

4:38 Speaker 9: You're you're the producer, right and I assume you play

4:42 Speaker 9: some things too, or what is your role here? And

4:44 Speaker 9: how did you? Are you the progenitor of the joy Thieves?

4:48 Speaker 9: Did you start this project?

4:49 Speaker 10: Yes? I sure did.

4:50 Speaker 8: I started it just by myself and it slowly grew

4:53 Speaker 8: over time. So I'm a professional drummer, so I do

4:57 Speaker 8: all the drumming on the tracks for the most part,

4:59 Speaker 8: and then myself and my production partner do all the

5:02 Speaker 8: mixing as well as the You know, when you have

5:04 Speaker 8: this many members, everyone's sending you tracks from all over

5:07 Speaker 8: the place. Someone's got to sit through all those things

5:09 Speaker 8: and make some decisions in the studio and do the

5:11 Speaker 8: production stuff.

5:12 Speaker 10: So that's what I do as well.

5:14 Speaker 9: Is this what you had intended it to be? When

5:16 Speaker 9: you started it, did you imagine it growing to this

5:20 Speaker 9: proportion in terms of the involvement of all these people?

5:23 Speaker 8: Never, never, ever, in a million years, did I think

5:25 Speaker 8: it would be anything like this. When it first started,

5:27 Speaker 8: it was literally just I was writing music in my

5:29 Speaker 8: home studio for myself.

5:31 Speaker 10: Yeah, that's all there was.

5:32 Speaker 8: It slowly started to grow after that, and then it

5:37 Speaker 8: started to rapidly grow after that. So I mean, I

5:39 Speaker 8: think on our first album there was maybe thirty people,

5:42 Speaker 8: and now, like I said, there's over eighty contributors.

5:44 Speaker 9: So that's incredible. And how did you come to work

5:47 Speaker 9: with all these people? I mean, obviously I'm asking a

5:50 Speaker 9: very broad question because I'm sure every story, you know,

5:54 Speaker 9: every interaction with every person is different. Some of these

5:56 Speaker 9: people are probably people you've worked with before, you know

5:59 Speaker 9: very well, maybe you've never met, but you email tracks

6:02 Speaker 9: back and forth or dropbox tracks back and forth because

6:04 Speaker 9: we live in an era where you can do that.

6:06 Speaker 9: But I mean, how did you pull all these people

6:08 Speaker 9: into this project? So?

6:11 Speaker 8: Yeah, as you said, one at a time, right, I mean,

6:13 Speaker 8: some of these people are people that I've known ever

6:15 Speaker 8: since I was a kid.

6:16 Speaker 10: I've played music with forever.

6:18 Speaker 8: The vast majority of these people are musicians that I

6:21 Speaker 8: have been a fans of over the years that I

6:24 Speaker 8: just reached out to them to see if they might

6:26 Speaker 8: be interested in helping do something like this. I will

6:28 Speaker 8: say during the COVID years it kind of helped because

6:31 Speaker 8: all the musicians of the world were literally sitting in

6:33 Speaker 8: front of their computers with no gigs and nothing to do,

6:36 Speaker 8: and so at that point it really exploded. Everyone was

6:39 Speaker 8: looking for creative projects to be a part of, and

6:42 Speaker 8: I guess I just happened to be right there at

6:44 Speaker 8: the perfect time.

6:45 Speaker 9: Yeah, that comes up a lot on this show too,

6:48 Speaker 9: COVID and how the pandemic affected how we make music,

6:53 Speaker 9: and I've always said, you know, obviously it was a

6:55 Speaker 9: terrible experience, but we have to find the silver linings

6:58 Speaker 9: where we can, and one of the few silver linings

6:59 Speaker 9: with the pandemic was I think it really kind of

7:01 Speaker 9: forced a lot of musicians to sort of reevaluate what

7:07 Speaker 9: they're willing to try in terms of making music and collaboration.

7:11 Speaker 9: You know, all the means to do that, all the

7:13 Speaker 9: technology already existed, and a lot of musicians were already

7:15 Speaker 9: doing it that way. But I think the pandemic forced

7:18 Speaker 9: a lot of musicians who maybe had been resistant to

7:21 Speaker 9: try and that, you know, next thing, you know, like

7:23 Speaker 9: you've got classic rock bands getting together remotely online to

7:26 Speaker 9: do concerts on YouTube and stuff like that. And of course,

7:29 Speaker 9: you know, we saw this increase in people working and

7:32 Speaker 9: collaborating with people who they might not otherwise have ever

7:35 Speaker 9: had the chance to because now all of a sudden,

7:37 Speaker 9: they had a lot of time on their hands, as

7:39 Speaker 9: you alluded to, but also people just became a lot

7:42 Speaker 9: more open to the idea, well maybe I really can

7:44 Speaker 9: work with someone remotely and we'll we'll drop box tracks

7:47 Speaker 9: back and forth and however this is going to go.

7:50 Speaker 9: So I think it really kind of changed just how

7:53 Speaker 9: people in a broad sense, just how musicians think about

7:55 Speaker 9: all that, and kind of open musicians up to working

7:59 Speaker 9: that way a much greater level.

8:01 Speaker 10: Yeah, I absolutely agree.

8:03 Speaker 8: It was kind of a fast forward button as soon

8:04 Speaker 8: as that happened, where you know, it might have taken

8:07 Speaker 8: people a few years, a few more years to get

8:09 Speaker 8: into working like that, but all of a sudden, it

8:11 Speaker 8: was it turned into kind of that or nothing right, right,

8:14 Speaker 8: So so yeah, no, people were all of a sudden,

8:16 Speaker 8: it's very very inspired to do things like that. And

8:18 Speaker 8: fortunately we had started this band three years prior to that,

8:22 Speaker 8: so the machinery of how we were working was already

8:25 Speaker 8: kind of set up. So literally, after reaching out to people,

8:28 Speaker 8: all I have to do is say, like, look, we

8:29 Speaker 8: have the process in place. All you have to do

8:31 Speaker 8: is this, And it was very easy to bring people

8:33 Speaker 8: aboard at that time.

8:34 Speaker 9: That's a good position to be in where you sort

8:36 Speaker 9: of already got the infrastructure in place, so.

8:38 Speaker 10: You're exactly yes, exactly right.

8:40 Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, that's excellent. I'm really curious about the album

8:43 Speaker 9: title Apocalypse Pending, and there is sort of a you know,

8:47 Speaker 9: as I listened to the lyrics of these tracks, there

8:49 Speaker 9: is sort of a I mean, you know, they're very

8:51 Speaker 9: upbeat and energetic and fun to listen to, but there's

8:54 Speaker 9: also a little bit of that doom in there. How

8:57 Speaker 9: literally should we take this title? Is that what the

9:00 Speaker 9: album is about, the the pending apocalypse? Or is there

9:04 Speaker 9: some other meaning attached to it? Or or maybe it's

9:08 Speaker 9: just a cool title. I don't know. I like the title,

9:10 Speaker 9: but but what what what should I take from it?

9:13 Speaker 8: The well, the the title came from actually the lyrics

9:16 Speaker 8: from a song, uh the guy who did all of

9:18 Speaker 8: the vocals on this particular record.

9:20 Speaker 10: His name is Chris Connelly. People might know him. He's

9:22 Speaker 10: a solo artist.

9:23 Speaker 8: He's also worked with like Ministry and Pig Face bands

9:26 Speaker 8: like that, And he did all the vocals on this record,

9:29 Speaker 8: and he wrote all the lyrics. And when he turned

9:32 Speaker 8: in that particular song to me, those two words just

9:35 Speaker 8: kind of jumped out as as an interesting.

9:37 Speaker 10: Way to kind of package this entire thing.

9:39 Speaker 8: Okay, And I think also a lot of this album

9:43 Speaker 8: was fueled by the energy that was going on at

9:45 Speaker 8: the time here in the States, and it was it

9:49 Speaker 8: just it just hit the The two words just seemed

9:51 Speaker 8: to fit perfectly for where.

9:53 Speaker 9: We're headed, right right, Yeah, I mean, I hope you're wrong,

9:56 Speaker 9: but but but but I understand. I mean you you

10:00 Speaker 9: probably hear from a lot of people who've said, who've

10:02 Speaker 9: said to you, Yeah, I kind of I'm feeling that.

10:04 Speaker 9: And and that's why this, uh, that's why this connects

10:07 Speaker 9: with me.

10:08 Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, And kind of when we were working on this,

10:11 Speaker 8: it was right in the middle of when Ice was

10:13 Speaker 8: doing all sorts of raids here in Chicago and all

10:15 Speaker 8: this kind of crazy energy and and Chris, he's actually

10:19 Speaker 8: he's from Scotland. Yeah, so so he's here in the States,

10:22 Speaker 8: but he grew up in Scotland and he starting to

10:24 Speaker 8: get nervous. I mean, they're the people who are were

10:26 Speaker 8: born in other places were starting to get nervous.

10:28 Speaker 10: He's one of them.

10:29 Speaker 8: And a lot of that kind of fear and anger

10:31 Speaker 8: was coming out in this music.

10:32 Speaker 10: And that's a that's a huge part of it.

10:34 Speaker 9: Yeah, and I can see where people would connect with that.

10:37 Speaker 9: I just as as an aside, I know someone who's

10:39 Speaker 9: from Canada who is in the country legally but is

10:42 Speaker 9: afraid to go home to Canada to visit because she's

10:45 Speaker 9: she's worried that she won't get back in because exactly right,

10:48 Speaker 9: just things are so things are so crazy right now.

10:51 Speaker 8: Exactly And that's the kind of fear and apprehension and

10:54 Speaker 8: tension that we're all feeling. When we were making this record,

10:56 Speaker 8: it was it was in high gear at that time.

10:58 Speaker 9: So yeah, yeah, I was just reading that you've is

11:01 Speaker 9: this quote true, You've you've described the lyrics as being

11:04 Speaker 9: quote violently anti fascist.

11:07 Speaker 3: Yeah.

11:08 Speaker 10: Absolutely. That quote comes directly from Chris, the guy who

11:10 Speaker 10: wrote all the lyrics.

11:11 Speaker 9: Oh gotcha, gotcha.

11:13 Speaker 8: So he's and he does all of that. I don't

11:16 Speaker 8: write the lyrics. So that's a direct quote from him,

11:18 Speaker 8: so I can guarantee you that's exactly what he means.

11:21 Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, No, that's great. I love it. I love

11:23 Speaker 9: it well. So when you started, you know, kind of

11:26 Speaker 9: going back to when you started this during the pandemic,

11:29 Speaker 9: was there ever a point where you felt like maybe

11:31 Speaker 9: this idea wasn't going to work? What like? Did you

11:33 Speaker 9: run in any challenges creatively where you thought this, you know,

11:37 Speaker 9: trying to approach it this way even though the technology

11:39 Speaker 9: is there, even though we're ready to do this, I'm

11:42 Speaker 9: not so sure. Were there any stumbling blocks or was

11:44 Speaker 9: it pretty smooth?

11:45 Speaker 8: You know, because we started, like I said, a few

11:48 Speaker 8: years before COVID, so we've been doing this for a while. So,

11:50 Speaker 8: like you said, the infrastructure was in place. So I

11:54 Speaker 8: will say, we always tend to bite off more than

11:58 Speaker 8: we think we can chew in the beginning on a

11:59 Speaker 8: lot of these projects.

12:00 Speaker 10: Sure, and there are so.

12:02 Speaker 8: Many moving parts, and I will say there was never

12:05 Speaker 8: a time where I thought this isn't gonna work. But

12:06 Speaker 8: I will say there are times that are very challenging

12:09 Speaker 8: for myself and my production partner James, because we're the

12:13 Speaker 8: ones everything has to go through us.

12:14 Speaker 10: Someone has to be staying there at the.

12:15 Speaker 8: Very front and make a lot of these decisions and

12:18 Speaker 8: it can be overwhelming. But that said, no, there was

12:21 Speaker 8: never a time where I thought this isn't gonna work.

12:23 Speaker 8: Every single thing about this project has felt very natural

12:25 Speaker 8: and very good.

12:26 Speaker 9: Oh that's good. That's good. And what about your your

12:29 Speaker 9: partnership with ArmaLite, Am I saying that correctly? ArmaLite Industries?

12:33 Speaker 10: Yeah?

12:34 Speaker 8: Absolutely, they're from London, They're a label from London. They

12:37 Speaker 8: have actually released everything that we've ever put out, and

12:40 Speaker 8: from the very beginning, the very genesis of this band,

12:44 Speaker 8: and we put I put together a few recordings, some

12:47 Speaker 8: demos and stuff and sent them out to Armolite, and

12:50 Speaker 8: from the very beginning they were just all aboard. They

12:52 Speaker 8: saw the vision completely. They have been amazing and stood

12:56 Speaker 8: by us for all this time.

12:57 Speaker 9: Oh that's outstanding. That's outstanding. I've also seen, you know,

13:01 Speaker 9: this referred to as industrial music, and obviously, I mean

13:04 Speaker 9: that's kind of a sort of a broad category. But

13:07 Speaker 9: do you feel like, how do you gauge kind of

13:10 Speaker 9: the interest in industrial music? Because I feel like it's

13:12 Speaker 9: always been for since I was a kid. It's well,

13:16 Speaker 9: I don't know if we even had the term industrial

13:18 Speaker 9: music when I was a kid necessarily, but sometimes I

13:21 Speaker 9: like to forget about how old I actually am. But

13:24 Speaker 9: but I feel like it's always sort of existed in

13:27 Speaker 9: this niche or niche as I guess people like to

13:31 Speaker 9: pronounce it lately, and it doesn't it's so rarely sort

13:35 Speaker 9: of connects to the mainstream. And I'm a radio guy,

13:38 Speaker 9: so I tend to think of it from the perspective

13:40 Speaker 9: of radio. So over the years, you know, there's been

13:44 Speaker 9: you know, there was nine Inch Nails and some others

13:47 Speaker 9: that are that you would put in that category of industrial,

13:50 Speaker 9: but there it seems like there's never a lot of

13:53 Speaker 9: mainstream industrial acts and and I'm not sure why that is,

13:59 Speaker 9: because you know, well, I'm a big fan, so I'm biased.

14:01 Speaker 9: I love industrial music. But but do you feel like

14:05 Speaker 9: recently there's been kind of a renewed interest in this

14:08 Speaker 9: type of music?

14:09 Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, over the past few years, I think definitely.

14:12 Speaker 8: So it's one of these categories that's it's so broad

14:16 Speaker 8: that it's just kind of almost useless to call somethan

14:19 Speaker 8: do kind of just because there are so many variations, right, right,

14:24 Speaker 8: But I will agree with you, typically there's not a

14:26 Speaker 8: lot of that finds its way to the radio waves.

14:29 Speaker 8: But I will say, I mean, we come from a

14:31 Speaker 8: very song oriented point of view. A lot of that

14:33 Speaker 8: music doesn't. And that's part of the reason that I

14:35 Speaker 8: really like a lot of that stuff. It's very experimental,

14:38 Speaker 8: it's very you know, there can be long kind of

14:40 Speaker 8: experimental pieces.

14:41 Speaker 10: We are song focused. Yeah, And I think that comes.

14:45 Speaker 8: Out very clear in all of our recordings that we

14:47 Speaker 8: have stuff that could be played on the radio, but

14:50 Speaker 8: hopefully still fits in that category somehow.

14:52 Speaker 9: Right, No, that makes sense, That makes sense. It's very accessible.

14:56 Speaker 9: It's just a matter of getting it to the right

14:58 Speaker 9: people to hear it. What can you tell me about

15:04 Speaker 9: the video for for No Anchor?

15:07 Speaker 10: Sure?

15:08 Speaker 8: Well, the did the video for No Anchor was just

15:11 Speaker 8: a lyric video that we did. And and the guy

15:15 Speaker 8: who's in into doing the vocals, that's Chris. That's Chris Connelly,

15:18 Speaker 8: the guy who's sang all the vocals on this. And

15:20 Speaker 8: you know, it's kind of fun when we make videos

15:22 Speaker 8: because this project exists literally just as a recording project.

15:27 Speaker 10: This is we don't play shows.

15:28 Speaker 8: We don't tour on, we don't do any of that,

15:30 Speaker 8: so right, some of the some of these videos give

15:32 Speaker 8: us the chance to actually get together in a room

15:34 Speaker 8: and perform and do some fun stuff, which I really

15:37 Speaker 8: do enjoy.

15:38 Speaker 9: Right, No Anchor, I apologize Dan, Yeah, No Anchor is

15:41 Speaker 9: a lyric video. I said the wrong I met the

15:44 Speaker 9: wrong end of the rifle, the wrong end of the rifle.

15:46 Speaker 9: I really like this video a lot. That's what I

15:48 Speaker 9: meant to ask you. This is the Visually this is

15:51 Speaker 9: I mean, it's it's disturbing, but it's it's it's fascinating.

15:55 Speaker 9: I'm actually playing it right now again just to kind

15:58 Speaker 9: of refresh my mind on it. But I love the

16:00 Speaker 9: I love the effects on this just visually it's you know,

16:05 Speaker 9: and it's funny too, because we were talking about technology

16:07 Speaker 9: and how you can do things differently than you used

16:10 Speaker 9: to be able to. There was a time when to

16:12 Speaker 9: make a video like this it would be so expensive,

16:17 Speaker 9: you know, to make a video and get it on

16:18 Speaker 9: MTV and all of that. But now you can do it.

16:22 Speaker 9: And I'm curious to know about the making of this video,

16:24 Speaker 9: But you can do something that looks incredible for but

16:29 Speaker 9: it's much more accessible to be able to do something

16:31 Speaker 9: that is really visually stunning like this video.

16:34 Speaker 10: Absolutely, and we're lucky that we've had.

16:37 Speaker 8: Actually, our very first music video was made by this guy,

16:40 Speaker 8: Joel Lopez from Lumber Productions. He's the same guy who's

16:43 Speaker 8: made every single music video that we've done, including that one.

16:47 Speaker 8: So very early, kind of like the label, very early,

16:50 Speaker 8: we stumbled across somebody who was the perfect match for

16:53 Speaker 8: what we were trying to do. And you'll see our videos,

16:56 Speaker 8: everyone has its own kind of look, but they're all

16:59 Speaker 8: from the same guy.

17:00 Speaker 9: Oh okay, that makes sense. Well, yeah, you found you

17:02 Speaker 9: found somebody who definitely really captures something there, so it

17:05 Speaker 9: makes sense as you would want to work with them. Yeah,

17:07 Speaker 9: I suggest people check out the video. It's just it's

17:09 Speaker 9: just really cool. It kind of reminds me a little

17:11 Speaker 9: bit of some of the videos I would see on

17:13 Speaker 9: MTV in the nineties that were, you know, like not

17:17 Speaker 9: again so little industrial music kind of made it into

17:20 Speaker 9: that MTV mainstream. But I would watch one hundred and

17:23 Speaker 9: twenty minutes on Sunday nights and see some some things

17:26 Speaker 9: that you wouldn't see in regular rotation on MTV, and

17:28 Speaker 9: I would see videos that you know kind of had

17:30 Speaker 9: an esthetic like that. Maybe it makes me a little

17:33 Speaker 9: nostalgic for that, but no, it was just really cool

17:35 Speaker 9: and it's it's such a great song. So, yeah, you

17:38 Speaker 9: did Mention live. So none of these so none of

17:41 Speaker 9: these songs ever get played live, right, because there's really

17:43 Speaker 9: no way for you to do that, because it's such

17:45 Speaker 9: a large collective.

17:47 Speaker 8: Exactly, the closest we come as when we're making videos,

17:51 Speaker 8: we actually did in twenty twenty one, we actually got

17:53 Speaker 8: together in a studio with a group of people and

17:55 Speaker 8: did some live some live recordings in the studio, And

17:59 Speaker 8: that's the closest we ben. We have no plans on

18:01 Speaker 8: doing any tours or gigging or anything like that. Is

18:03 Speaker 8: just there's so many moving parts and I never say never,

18:07 Speaker 8: I guess, I guess it could happen, But at this

18:09 Speaker 8: point in time, that's kind of not the point of

18:11 Speaker 8: what we're trying to do.

18:12 Speaker 10: The point is writing and releasing the music, right.

18:15 Speaker 9: Right, So what's Obviously you're focused on this album and

18:18 Speaker 9: promoting this album, But do you kind of know what's

18:21 Speaker 9: next for the Joy Thieves, what the forward trajectory is?

18:26 Speaker 8: You know, there's always stuff cooking in the background. Which

18:29 Speaker 8: is always one of the fun parts is you know,

18:31 Speaker 8: by the time an album actually comes out, we're already

18:34 Speaker 8: knee deep in something else that we're working on.

18:36 Speaker 9: So that's good.

18:37 Speaker 8: There's always a plan for new music, and there's always

18:40 Speaker 8: gonna be forward motion on this thing, and hopefully that

18:43 Speaker 8: means bringing possibly even more people and involving more people

18:47 Speaker 8: and seeing where it goes and just watching it progress.

18:50 Speaker 9: Oh, that's fantastic. In a moment, we're going to play

18:53 Speaker 9: this track, Ambush Vines, because I think tell me if

18:56 Speaker 9: I have this right? Was this the previous single before

18:58 Speaker 9: No Anger.

19:00 Speaker 8: No no Way there was The Wrong End of Your

19:03 Speaker 8: Rifle was the first single, oh, and No Anchor was

19:06 Speaker 8: the second single?

19:07 Speaker 9: Oh I Got You? I Got You?

19:08 Speaker 7: Oh.

19:08 Speaker 9: I think Ambush Vines was a focused track. Okay it is, Yes,

19:11 Speaker 9: you know what. I'm going to actually play them both

19:13 Speaker 9: at the end of our conversation because I really like

19:15 Speaker 9: both tracks. I like the whole thing. Thank you, we

19:17 Speaker 9: have talk, Yeah, we have time. I can see them

19:18 Speaker 9: both in. But where before we let you go, Dan,

19:22 Speaker 9: where's the best place for people to go online to

19:24 Speaker 9: keep up with everything that you're doing? Because I want

19:26 Speaker 9: people to be able to find you. And like I said,

19:28 Speaker 9: the album is incredible. People should listen to the whole thing.

19:31 Speaker 9: But where's the best place to go online?

19:33 Speaker 10: You can go to the joy Thieves dot com.

19:35 Speaker 8: That's probably the best place because that links to all

19:38 Speaker 8: of our other sites, you know, and we're on obviously

19:40 Speaker 8: all the socials, and then we do we do a

19:42 Speaker 8: lot of our sales through band camp yep. So we

19:44 Speaker 8: also have a band Camp page under the joy Thieves,

19:47 Speaker 8: So any of those places will work great.

19:49 Speaker 9: I'm glad you're on band Camp too. That's something I've

19:51 Speaker 9: really been pushing on the show for a couple of

19:53 Speaker 9: years now. Band Camp, I think, is such a great

19:55 Speaker 9: resource and something that people don't necessarily realize. And I

19:59 Speaker 9: always try to and part this to my listeners. If

20:01 Speaker 9: you purchase a track on band camp, you know, not

20:05 Speaker 9: only not only is band camp very artist friendly, so

20:08 Speaker 9: you're helping the artist, but you also get the highest

20:11 Speaker 9: quality file of the track that you're going to get

20:14 Speaker 9: versus say, you know, if you're just streaming it on

20:16 Speaker 9: YouTube or something, you know, you get a high you

20:19 Speaker 9: get a high quality file from band Camp.

20:21 Speaker 8: Absolutely, I'm a huge band Camp fan and we and

20:24 Speaker 8: that's why we do a lot of work through them

20:25 Speaker 8: and we release everything through them. And honestly, just as

20:28 Speaker 8: a listener, I go to band camp all the time.

20:29 Speaker 8: That's where I buy all my music.

20:31 Speaker 9: Oh good, good, Yeah, that's excellent. Yeah. We love band

20:33 Speaker 9: camp so very good, very good. So we're gonna go

20:36 Speaker 9: ahead and hit this. I think I'm gonna play the

20:37 Speaker 9: wrong end of your Rifle and then I'm gonna play

20:39 Speaker 9: Ambush Vines. But another a great couple of tracks. But uh,

20:43 Speaker 9: Dan Milligan, thank you so much for joining us. We'll

20:46 Speaker 9: definitely do this again in the future. It sounds like

20:48 Speaker 9: you've got a lot coming up in the future of

20:50 Speaker 9: the Joy Thieves and and we'd love to have you back,

20:52 Speaker 9: and of course we'll talk about anything else that you're

20:53 Speaker 9: up to as well. But I really love this this album.

20:56 Speaker 9: Congratulations on Apocalypse Pending. I think it's great, and everyone

21:00 Speaker 9: to check it out. Go to band camp and check

21:01 Speaker 9: it out. And Dan, thank you so much for joining

21:04 Speaker 9: us today.

21:05 Speaker 10: Hey, thank you so much. This has been a lot

21:06 Speaker 10: of fun.

21:07 Speaker 9: Oh great, thank you, all right, talk to you soon.

21:09 Speaker 10: Bye bye, okay, bye bye.

21:11 Speaker 9: All right. That is Daniel Milligan from the Joy Thieves

21:14 Speaker 9: and Yeah, we're gonna play both of these. These are

21:16 Speaker 9: these are worth playing. Uh, let's see, so we've got

21:19 Speaker 9: the wrong end of the rifle and then we're gonna

21:20 Speaker 9: follow that up with ambush vines, two great tracks from

21:23 Speaker 9: the Joy Thieves. Check this out. I don't know.

21:37 Speaker 11: Why I feel on rest this something came alive my.

21:40 Speaker 12: My bullet profast a great portal to my heart from

21:45 Speaker 12: my walkie talky to the shop Pece sound o blush

21:49 Speaker 12: it overall.

21:51 Speaker 1: To stir it out.

21:53 Speaker 12: But did you catch the streets A bunny line defeat.

21:56 Speaker 3: Don't go for.

22:00 Speaker 1: The siren says it's over.

22:04 Speaker 7: Come.

22:05 Speaker 1: The line down here till the sirens says it's ober.

22:08 Speaker 1: Not one to cliss with my infistors.

22:11 Speaker 11: More like Conniac arrest us menace hag literate, said heavily

22:15 Speaker 11: on Conchester.

22:20 Speaker 3: Manas the con said, fist up paying a lamb.

22:24 Speaker 1: Color brand.

22:25 Speaker 3: Nay your senter said Jack Cane play and nothing looking

22:31 Speaker 3: sniff pas as a running.

22:36 Speaker 1: Your knife phone suck on that name line afraid as

22:42 Speaker 1: will those pigs.

22:43 Speaker 12: Chris through Buddy captious and could take a orgasm with

22:47 Speaker 12: a bullet raising usury. But we never filed it no play,

22:51 Speaker 12: not even partially tell me any of these freaks. You

22:54 Speaker 12: recall the last time the id hat fool the brains

22:58 Speaker 12: along with cigarettes old.

23:00 Speaker 1: It's a pull of broad lock. You want me back.

23:04 Speaker 3: Again, You want me back, You want me back, You

23:14 Speaker 3: want me back, a cat, you want me back, you

23:20 Speaker 3: want me back. Mas Bec said that convey the land,

23:51 Speaker 3: discover and branding case gonna say, I said I can't,

23:55 Speaker 3: May I not make looking stuff? Players say, I'm riding

24:03 Speaker 3: and my bout.

24:07 Speaker 1: Had to ride, and my poul had to rub it,

24:13 Speaker 1: and my bout did you go up? Let a grand

24:31 Speaker 1: kya come recollec the track la pass.

24:44 Speaker 3: Veracon quack quack quiet hack.

24:55 Speaker 1: It.

24:56 Speaker 11: That's a love dream to the Mercedory, resolute to sound

25:01 Speaker 11: no buddy strangers lost on driven side?

25:05 Speaker 3: Is that your body can are of the legal about what's.

25:09 Speaker 1: Them all on?

25:10 Speaker 3: Sacred crowd?

25:12 Speaker 1: Strangers lost on driven side? The first fine of minders.

25:19 Speaker 1: We are white took the vote to read.

25:21 Speaker 6: The size bogus all to let the grass cartact on

25:26 Speaker 6: the self.

25:26 Speaker 1: Roll to buy the price.

25:28 Speaker 11: If you're in flying the guy along the great divide

25:32 Speaker 11: nigger a revic, Why.

25:35 Speaker 9: But they're on a self ro.

25:37 Speaker 1: It's just a state of mind. Beware the average.

25:41 Speaker 12: Fe states of mine is just a state of king.

25:44 Speaker 1: Beware the average spine. It's just the states of mine.

25:49 Speaker 1: Beware the average hire.

25:51 Speaker 3: State of mind, just the state of mind.

25:54 Speaker 1: Beware the average spine. Is that your brother dreamed with

25:59 Speaker 1: hips team bath begs the great Escape, rejoicing as he

26:04 Speaker 1: is pistol whipt.

26:07 Speaker 3: It's that's a legal mass.

26:09 Speaker 11: Scream the clueless sunlities to the gain the block.

26:14 Speaker 3: Back to the gun by higher b gruancer, take a scam.

26:23 Speaker 11: I first fight to mind a weird flight to the moon,

26:27 Speaker 11: to read the size osa, to let a grass cow.

26:32 Speaker 1: TI to a sell road, to ride Surprise.

26:35 Speaker 3: It's your replying. It's gotting along the greater mine.

26:39 Speaker 6: Because I regam like a tad on the silk road.

26:44 Speaker 6: It's just a statified Beware the every fine, the sail

26:48 Speaker 6: of mine, it's just a state of mind. Beware the

26:52 Speaker 6: averys stay a mine.

26:54 Speaker 11: It's just a state of mind everywhere the very side

26:58 Speaker 11: stay of mine.

27:13 Speaker 9: Oh, I love it. I love that project. The joy

27:16 Speaker 9: thieves snipe you again to Daniel Milligan for joining us.

27:20 Speaker 9: We had a great conversation. I thought I really enjoyed

27:23 Speaker 9: talking with him, and I love that project, The Joy Thieves.

27:26 Speaker 9: The album is called Apocalypse Pending. Hopefully they're wrong about that.

27:34 Speaker 9: But Chris Connolly, the vocalist on those tracks as Dan

27:38 Speaker 9: and I were discussing, describes the music has been violently

27:42 Speaker 9: anti fascist, which I'm on board with. So I love that.

27:46 Speaker 9: But yeah, that is The Joy Thieves. Check out the

27:48 Speaker 9: whole album. Go to band camp check it out. Not

27:50 Speaker 9: right now, stay with me for the rest of the show,

27:52 Speaker 9: but afterward, please immediately afterward, I mean immediately, like, don't

27:57 Speaker 9: even I don't care what else you have to do.

28:00 Speaker 9: Immediately go to bandcamp and check out The Joy Thieves

28:02 Speaker 9: and the album Apocalypse Pending. It is really really good.

28:05 Speaker 9: This is Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from

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28:44 Speaker 9: we've got some cool new stuff that we're adding to

28:45 Speaker 9: that as well. We've got a couple of articles in

28:48 Speaker 9: the on the blog page of the site, but we're

28:50 Speaker 9: gonna be adding a lot more content there, so not

28:52 Speaker 9: just audio for you to peruse, but also some articles

28:58 Speaker 9: you don't really peruse article audio. I said that backward.

29:02 Speaker 9: I think audio that you can listen to, but articles

29:04 Speaker 9: that you can peruse. Articles seem perusible necessarily. I don't

29:08 Speaker 9: know if perusible is even a word. But here we

29:10 Speaker 9: are today is Saturday, June thirteen, twenty twenty six. Very

29:14 Speaker 9: nice to have you with me. Thank you, and let's

29:17 Speaker 9: see let's do a little bit more music industry news.

29:20 Speaker 9: Here's something that kind of as a radio guy, I

29:23 Speaker 9: saw this and I said, WHOA, what's going on here?

29:27 Speaker 9: This is from Music Business Worldwide dot com. As I

29:30 Speaker 9: always say, one of my favorite websites for music industry

29:33 Speaker 9: news says here, ASCAP sues four radio groups for its

29:39 Speaker 9: prolonged unauthorized use of its members music. Now, this is

29:44 Speaker 9: interesting to me because in radio, when you're in a

29:46 Speaker 9: radio station such as I am right now, for example,

29:48 Speaker 9: you know, you take it for granted, you can just

29:50 Speaker 9: play whatever you want. It's radio, and you know it's

29:54 Speaker 9: a complex process. But radio pays, you know, these performing

29:58 Speaker 9: arts companies or we have to report to the I'm

30:00 Speaker 9: not involved in any of it, but we report to

30:02 Speaker 9: the performance performing arts companies. You know what gets played

30:07 Speaker 9: and so you know, are the artists get paid for

30:10 Speaker 9: their songs being played on the radio, et cetera. We

30:13 Speaker 9: won't get into the details of that. But this I

30:16 Speaker 9: saw this and I said, WHOA, what's going on? Okay,

30:18 Speaker 9: So again ASKAPS. Who's four radio groups were prolonged and

30:23 Speaker 9: authorized use of its members music? It says here. ASKAP

30:26 Speaker 9: has filed copyright infringement lawsuits against four US radio groups

30:32 Speaker 9: that it says have broadcast its members music without a

30:35 Speaker 9: valid license. Oh, this isn't something you expect even to

30:41 Speaker 9: hear about in twenty twenty six. Maybe back in the

30:44 Speaker 9: days of pirate radio stations and outlaw radio, but not

30:49 Speaker 9: in this hyper corporatized radio world that we live in now,

30:53 Speaker 9: you don't expect to ever hear stories like this. That's

30:55 Speaker 9: part of why this caught my attention. So the Performing

30:59 Speaker 9: Rights Organization as GAP said on Tuesday, June nine that

31:04 Speaker 9: the four groups operate a total of fifteen radio stations. Now,

31:09 Speaker 9: let's see if we recognize any of these names. It

31:11 Speaker 9: sounds like these are all very small companies, you know,

31:13 Speaker 9: because in radio, obviously, you've got big companies like iHeart Radio,

31:18 Speaker 9: which is I think the biggest solidation in the music

31:23 Speaker 9: in the well, not just in the music industry, not

31:26 Speaker 9: really in the music industry, but in the radio industry specifically.

31:28 Speaker 9: We've seen a lot of consolidation, a lot of big

31:31 Speaker 9: companies buying up smaller companies. You see it in every

31:34 Speaker 9: industry really, but I think iHeart Radio is the biggest.

31:39 Speaker 9: Used to be Clear Channel. But these are all it

31:43 Speaker 9: looks like these are all very small radio groups because

31:46 Speaker 9: I haven't heard of any of these. Huago bro, I

31:49 Speaker 9: don't even know how to pronounce itgo haugo who go,

31:54 Speaker 9: I don't know, I don't know what that is. But

31:55 Speaker 9: I've never heard of them. Who Go Broadcasting Inc. In

31:58 Speaker 9: South Dakota, spoon He Media LLC In Indiana, Taylor Communications

32:04 Speaker 9: in Mississippi, and uh oh, this one's hitting close to home.

32:10 Speaker 9: Barry Lunderville Radio in New Hampshire. Uh oh, We're gonna

32:18 Speaker 9: have to look up what station's Berry Lunderville Radio owns.

32:21 Speaker 9: Why is it called Barry this guy? Literally, I assume

32:25 Speaker 9: there's a guy named Barry Lunderville who started the company

32:27 Speaker 9: and decided to call it Barry Lunderville Radio. Uh Okay,

32:34 Speaker 9: we're gonna look that up in a minute. Okay, it

32:37 Speaker 9: says here. According to the article, ASKAP represents more than

32:39 Speaker 9: one point one million songwriters, composers, and music publishers and

32:44 Speaker 9: licenses the public performance of their work to businesses that

32:47 Speaker 9: play music, including radio stations. About ninety percent of the

32:52 Speaker 9: license fees that ASCAP collects are paid to its songwriters, composers,

32:56 Speaker 9: and music publishers as royalties. Most US commercial radio stations

33:02 Speaker 9: license ASCAPS music through an agreement between ASCAP and the

33:07 Speaker 9: Radio Music License Committee, which negotiates blanket license rates on

33:12 Speaker 9: the industry's behalf. That agreement provides access to more than

33:17 Speaker 9: twenty million works for ASCAPS repertory for a fee calculated

33:22 Speaker 9: as a percentage of station revenues. According to the organization,

33:27 Speaker 9: ASCAP and the RmlC reached a settlement in August twenty

33:31 Speaker 9: twenty five that raised the royalty rates paid by almost

33:35 Speaker 9: ten thousand commercial terrestrial radio stations in the US. The

33:38 Speaker 9: deal included year on year increases in the percentage of

33:41 Speaker 9: revenue rate paid by stations. BMI, another US performing rights organization,

33:47 Speaker 9: reached its own RmlC settlement in August twenty twenty five

33:50 Speaker 9: in what it called its largest rate increase ever for radio.

33:56 Speaker 9: By the way, sidebar obvious, but I'll say it for radio.

34:01 Speaker 9: But good for the artists. Okay, radio has to pay more,

34:05 Speaker 9: but the artists are getting more. Radio stations that broadcast

34:09 Speaker 9: music typically license multiple performing rights organizations, including ASCAP, BMI, CSACK,

34:14 Speaker 9: and Global Music Rights. A license from one does not

34:18 Speaker 9: cover the others, and each pursues its own infringement actions

34:21 Speaker 9: against stations that do not pay. ASCAP Chairman of the

34:27 Speaker 9: Board and president and songwriter Paul Williams are Remember Paul Williams.

34:32 Speaker 9: Remember Paul Williams said quote music is the lifeblood of

34:36 Speaker 9: radio and the overwhelming majority of radio stations follow the law. Unquote,

34:40 Speaker 9: by the way, I can picture Paul Williams, but I

34:42 Speaker 9: can't think of any Paul Williams songs. He also said, quote,

34:48 Speaker 9: and that's not a diss on Paul Williams. I just

34:50 Speaker 9: I can't. I literally, I can picture what he looks

34:53 Speaker 9: like very clearly. I cannot think of a single Paul

34:57 Speaker 9: Williams song. Why is that? I don't know. I apologize

35:02 Speaker 9: to Paul Williams. Quote. As songwriters and composers, we earn

35:06 Speaker 9: our livelihoods through our creative work, and music is how

35:10 Speaker 9: we put food on the table, pay the rent, and

35:12 Speaker 9: support our families. Radio station owners know that an ASCAP

35:15 Speaker 9: blank and license allows them to offer music legally, efficiently,

35:19 Speaker 9: and at a reasonable price, while compensating music creators fairly. Quote.

35:24 Speaker 9: Under federal copyright law, broadcasters must obtain permission from copyright

35:29 Speaker 9: owners before playing their music. As CAP said, the four

35:32 Speaker 9: station groups have repeatedly refused to renew their licenses and

35:35 Speaker 9: pay the required fees. According to ASCAP, ASCAP said the

35:38 Speaker 9: defendants of broadcast music written and published by its members

35:42 Speaker 9: without authorization or payment for the last several years. Clara

35:48 Speaker 9: Kim ASCAPS EVP executive vice president and chief Legal and

35:52 Speaker 9: business affairs officers said, quote, we don't take legal action

35:56 Speaker 9: lightly when a station refuses to pay for the music

35:59 Speaker 9: that makes their business posy possible. We have a responsibility

36:01 Speaker 9: to our members to take action unquote. ASCAP said it

36:05 Speaker 9: terminated each broadcaster's license and proceeded with litigation after exhausting

36:11 Speaker 9: attempts to reach a resolution. ASCAP says it is the

36:15 Speaker 9: only US performing rights organization that operates on a not

36:18 Speaker 9: for profit basis. I didn't know that about ninety percent

36:21 Speaker 9: of the license fees that ASCAP collects are paid to

36:25 Speaker 9: the songwriters, composers, and music publishers as royalties, the organization said.

36:30 Speaker 9: Um ASCAP licenses it's repertory to streaming services, television and

36:37 Speaker 9: radio broadcasters into brick and mortar businesses such as bars, restaurants,

36:41 Speaker 9: and retail stores. Now that's something a lot of people

36:44 Speaker 9: don't know. When you say, when you go into a

36:47 Speaker 9: bar and you hear music being played over the ceeo

36:53 Speaker 9: a bar or any kind of business, you know that's again,

36:56 Speaker 9: they have to pay for that. That's not free. They

36:58 Speaker 9: don't just turn on the radio and let it play

37:01 Speaker 9: or put on some music and let it play, or

37:04 Speaker 9: you use a service for that and just let it play,

37:06 Speaker 9: and that's it. They have to pay for that. And venues,

37:10 Speaker 9: music venues, and I don't care how big or small

37:12 Speaker 9: it is, even if it's just a little, tiny, little,

37:15 Speaker 9: you know, dive bar on the corner. If they have

37:19 Speaker 9: someone come in and play live, like maybe they have

37:20 Speaker 9: an acoustic singer songwriter come in and play live in

37:23 Speaker 9: the little bar, this little tiny bar that nobody even

37:25 Speaker 9: knows about, they do have to pay for that. If

37:28 Speaker 9: the artist, I mean, if they're playing original songs, it

37:32 Speaker 9: doesn't matter. But if they're playing cover songs, the bar

37:35 Speaker 9: has to pay for that. They have to pay these

37:38 Speaker 9: licensing organizations for that if they don't. And by the way,

37:43 Speaker 9: this is gonna sound wild. I swear to some of

37:45 Speaker 9: you won't even believe me when I say this, but

37:47 Speaker 9: I swear to God this is the truth. They and

37:51 Speaker 9: I'll tell you in a minute why I know about this.

37:55 Speaker 9: They actually send these performing rights organizations performance rights organisms.

38:00 Speaker 9: They have people they send into bars and other types

38:05 Speaker 9: of venues undercover. I'm not kidding. Undercover. They have people

38:10 Speaker 9: go in to find out what's going on. Oh, you've

38:13 Speaker 9: got a band playing tonight, let's see. Oh are they

38:19 Speaker 9: doing cover songs? Oh? Are these cover songs of any

38:24 Speaker 9: of our clients at ASCAP. Oh, we have a problem,

38:28 Speaker 9: and they will, uh, they will make it known to

38:33 Speaker 9: the owner or the management of that establishment. No, you

38:37 Speaker 9: are about to You've got a heap of trouble here

38:40 Speaker 9: because you can't be doing this. And we're about to.

38:44 Speaker 9: I don't know how it works. We're about to find

38:46 Speaker 9: you a lot of money or something. I don't know

38:47 Speaker 9: how that would work. But so in other words, they

38:50 Speaker 9: actively and they will send. Look. Years ago, when I

38:55 Speaker 9: was living in Conquered there was a place called Cafe Eclipse.

38:58 Speaker 9: And we might even have some listeners of this show.

39:00 Speaker 9: If you've been with me for a long time, you

39:02 Speaker 9: might even remember Cafe Eclipse. Christian and Star Skinner good

39:08 Speaker 9: friends of mine. They were the owners and operators of

39:10 Speaker 9: Cafe Eclipse, and but they had a strict policy there

39:16 Speaker 9: no covers. And it was Christian who told me Christian

39:19 Speaker 9: Skinner who told me that the reason is they had

39:22 Speaker 9: actually had someone in there one night who revealed themselves

39:28 Speaker 9: ultimately to be from one of the performing rights organizations

39:32 Speaker 9: checking out what's going on because and telling Christian. If

39:37 Speaker 9: I remember the story correctly, this person confronted Christian at

39:41 Speaker 9: some point during the evening and said, look, this is

39:43 Speaker 9: where I'm from, this is why I'm here, and you

39:46 Speaker 9: owe us a lot of money, and you've got bands

39:50 Speaker 9: coming into your playing these cover songs and you can't

39:52 Speaker 9: do that. So then they had to make a rule,

39:53 Speaker 9: no more cover songs. I was in a band at

39:57 Speaker 9: the time called the Jinkst.

40:00 Speaker 2: And we.

40:04 Speaker 9: Just the guy thought this was funny. I didn't think

40:06 Speaker 9: it was funny, but you know, because I told them

40:08 Speaker 9: we can't play any covers and we're on stage one

40:11 Speaker 9: night and they started just to mess with me. The

40:15 Speaker 9: the opening part of smells Like Teen Spirit by Nirvana.

40:18 Speaker 9: Troy started playing that on the guitar and Frank, who

40:22 Speaker 9: was our drummer at the time, started playing it on

40:24 Speaker 9: the joined him on the drums, and I just sat

40:26 Speaker 9: down on the stage with my arms crossed, like, guys,

40:28 Speaker 9: we can't do this. And I know you think this

40:30 Speaker 9: is funny, but this isn't funny because this actual, real

40:35 Speaker 9: world sort of you know, consequences here. You're going to

40:39 Speaker 9: ruin our relationship with the venue, who do not want

40:42 Speaker 9: to have to pay for us playing the song right now.

40:45 Speaker 9: So and they were just you know, they didn't they

40:48 Speaker 9: didn't keep playing it. They just played at the beginning

40:50 Speaker 9: of it. But it was like, but I did not

40:52 Speaker 9: enjoy seeing a panicked face come running into the room

40:56 Speaker 9: when they hear what we're doing. It's like, come on, guys,

41:00 Speaker 9: let's not jeopardize our relationships here with these venues because

41:04 Speaker 9: we need them anyway. But they will do that. And

41:08 Speaker 9: I've heard stories and talked to people over the years

41:10 Speaker 9: about again. You know, Oh, I've got a tiny hole

41:13 Speaker 9: in the wall dive bar on the corner that you know,

41:16 Speaker 9: you wouldn't think anyone would even notice was there, you know,

41:19 Speaker 9: except for the people who come there to drink. And

41:21 Speaker 9: sometimes we have somebody coming with a guitar and play

41:23 Speaker 9: a little bit. And one night we had someone from

41:25 Speaker 9: BMI come in and put some paperwork down on the

41:29 Speaker 9: bar in front of me and said, you owe us money.

41:33 Speaker 9: So it does happen. It does happen. So I saw that.

41:37 Speaker 9: I thought that was very interesting. Oh, we were going

41:38 Speaker 9: to I'm gonna do this in real time live on

41:41 Speaker 9: the show because I want to know more about these

41:46 Speaker 9: radio groups. One of them is in New Hampshire, and

41:49 Speaker 9: I am not familiar with them. Barry Lunderville Radio. I

41:54 Speaker 9: want to google this. Who is Barry Lunderville Radio? And

42:01 Speaker 9: are they even still in business now? Well, apparently Barry

42:04 Speaker 9: Launderville is dead. I guess because I've got an obituary

42:07 Speaker 9: here from twenty eighteen. Huh, oh wow, he actually looks

42:15 Speaker 9: familiar to me. Barry Lunderville, he died in twenty eighteen,

42:19 Speaker 9: says Barry's life was radio. He began his career at

42:22 Speaker 9: the tender age of fifteen at WLTN. That da goes

42:26 Speaker 9: on and on. All right, I'm just curious, rip Barry Lunderville.

42:30 Speaker 9: Oh sorry, you're gone. Whatever. Um, I'm just curious. Are

42:35 Speaker 9: these people even still in business now that ASCAP has

42:39 Speaker 9: pulled their license? There's a lot of articles here online

42:45 Speaker 9: about ASCAP suing them. Oh, they were involved. Barry Lunderville

42:56 Speaker 9: was involved in some litigation in Oh my god, twenty seventeen.

43:04 Speaker 9: There's an article here from Inside Radio. This is from

43:06 Speaker 9: twenty seventeen. His appeal rejected. Lunderville still owes the FCC

43:13 Speaker 9: two hundred and forty four thousand dollars. That's a fine

43:16 Speaker 9: they got fined for something by the FCC. Oh boy,

43:20 Speaker 9: these are some outlaws here at Barry Lunderville Radio says here.

43:25 Speaker 9: This is from twenty seventeen. A federal appeals court in

43:27 Speaker 9: Boston has rejected an attempt by New Hampshire station owner

43:30 Speaker 9: Barry Lunderville to have a financial penalty issued against him

43:34 Speaker 9: by the FCC canceled or reduced. The agency ended in

43:37 Speaker 9: Lunderville a two hundred and forty four thousand dollars bill

43:40 Speaker 9: after he withdrew a bit submitted for a new FM

43:44 Speaker 9: during an FCC auction. Okay, not as I thought it was.

43:49 Speaker 9: Maybe for something that happened on the air, the FCC

43:51 Speaker 9: fined them or something. But no, nothing quite as juicy

43:55 Speaker 9: as that. Huh. Well, I don't see again. I see

44:00 Speaker 9: a lot of a lot of articles about ASCAP filing

44:05 Speaker 9: infringement lawsuits against Barry Lunderville Radio, but I don't see

44:10 Speaker 9: anything that indicates are these people even still in business.

44:14 Speaker 9: WLTNFM is owned by Barry Lunderville. I'm looking at ltn's

44:21 Speaker 9: Wikipedia page. See. I'm wondering if they're off the air

44:23 Speaker 9: now because of what's going on. The Wikipedia page doesn't

44:27 Speaker 9: have a lot of information. All right, we'll move on

44:30 Speaker 9: from that. We'll move on from that. I think I

44:32 Speaker 9: do want to fit in one more great track from

44:38 Speaker 9: The joy Thieves. I love this project so much. This

44:41 Speaker 9: is another single from The Joy Thieves, and again thank

44:43 Speaker 9: you for Thank you to Dan Milligan for joining us earlier.

44:45 Speaker 9: I really enjoyed speaking with him and I love this project.

44:48 Speaker 9: The album is called Apocalypse Pending, the project is The

44:52 Speaker 9: Joy Thieves, and this is called I'll be Your Hammer.

45:06 Speaker 7: I'll be your hammer, and then we just say it.

45:10 Speaker 1: Try to turn me out, but I won't go away.

45:13 Speaker 5: You see that all my life with the.

45:16 Speaker 1: Needs of friends.

45:17 Speaker 4: But I would expect from pizza, make your product, good bags.

45:22 Speaker 6: Producted bass, parductlick bags, partect bag.

45:33 Speaker 3: Or be a hammer.

45:38 Speaker 10: Or be a hammer?

45:40 Speaker 3: I see h a hammer.

45:41 Speaker 1: I can maybe this way had I cat done, I

45:46 Speaker 1: won't go away.

45:47 Speaker 7: You try to stuff my life.

45:49 Speaker 1: But if tho I don't like the suthing, all I

45:52 Speaker 1: know is the show.

45:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't whether I'm.

45:56 Speaker 1: I don't.

45:58 Speaker 10: Look at me, I don't whether I'm don't make any creep.

46:03 Speaker 1: You made a devices, but now on a device said

46:11 Speaker 1: I'll be your hour, and this is the price. I

46:28 Speaker 1: don't like this, Like I have my ASA shots of

46:31 Speaker 1: the seats, the piece of historic blood as it comes

46:35 Speaker 1: on giving to serreted, and the room.

46:38 Speaker 12: Let's struggle to breathe go aheadles like what flood as

46:42 Speaker 12: she struggled to.

46:44 Speaker 1: You made a device, but now on a deadvice said

46:52 Speaker 1: I'll be.

46:53 Speaker 4: Your wo were like, this is the price.

47:01 Speaker 1: This is a very gristle. You'll just make me strong.

47:31 Speaker 1: You'll try some waiting game strong. It's such good.

47:56 Speaker 9: Oh that is so good. I'll be your hammer. The

47:58 Speaker 9: project is the Joy Thief. The album is called Apocalypse Pending.

48:02 Speaker 9: And I really enjoyed that a lot. I hope you

48:05 Speaker 9: did too. Really good stuff. And again thank you to

48:07 Speaker 9: uh to Dan Milligan for joining us earlier. One other

48:12 Speaker 9: quick music industry news story and then we got to

48:16 Speaker 9: get out of here. Uh this just popped up on

48:20 Speaker 9: Digital music news dot com. Kanye's anti semitism definitely isn't

48:24 Speaker 9: flying in Europe. Prague the latest to shut down a

48:27 Speaker 9: YE show. Yeah, this is this is still following him

48:31 Speaker 9: his uh anti Semitic comments, and I, you know, I

48:36 Speaker 9: wondered it was interesting to see how many people kind

48:39 Speaker 9: of you know, held it against him, and how many

48:43 Speaker 9: people have kind of forgotten about it. I kind of

48:46 Speaker 9: get the impression that for some people, a certain amount

48:50 Speaker 9: of time has passed where they're able to look past

48:53 Speaker 9: some of the things that he's said. I think he

48:55 Speaker 9: came out one point saying, you know, look, I was

48:57 Speaker 9: on some medication that made me say these hateful things

48:59 Speaker 9: are whatever. I don't know. Kanye doesn't really apologize for much.

49:03 Speaker 9: But if you recall, he said some pretty awful and

49:06 Speaker 9: very anti Semitic things that anyone else that would have

49:09 Speaker 9: ruined their career. But Kanye West somehow has survived. But

49:14 Speaker 9: he's having some trouble here again. It's this is from

49:18 Speaker 9: Digital Musicnews dot com. The rapper formerly known as Kanye

49:21 Speaker 9: West will not be performing in Prague after the venue

49:24 Speaker 9: set to host him backed out. It's the latest canceled

49:28 Speaker 9: show for the outwardly anti Semitic artist. Kanye West, who

49:32 Speaker 9: now goes by Yee, was set to perform in Prague

49:35 Speaker 9: as part of his proposed comeback tour, but the show

49:38 Speaker 9: has been canceled after the venue set to host him

49:41 Speaker 9: backed out. That makes the latest country to say no

49:45 Speaker 9: to the noted anti Semitic rapper. By the way, before

49:49 Speaker 9: anyone says, well, what about his First Amendment rights? Well,

49:51 Speaker 9: it's Prague. It's not the United States. They don't care

49:54 Speaker 9: about our constitution, so uh, don't even buy I just

49:57 Speaker 9: only I mean that should be obvious to most people,

49:59 Speaker 9: but I just know there's going to be somebody out

50:00 Speaker 9: there listening, going ooh for some amendment. Yeah, it's a

50:04 Speaker 9: different country. Relax. Organized by Slovak producer Hugo Varga, the

50:12 Speaker 9: show was scheduled to take place on July twenty five

50:15 Speaker 9: at a horse track. It was canceled by venue owner

50:18 Speaker 9: Zuzana Rambova, who didn't cite a specific reason for the move,

50:23 Speaker 9: but confirmed that the arena quote terminated the organizer's contract. Notably,

50:29 Speaker 9: Varga was one of the organizers of a Slovak rap

50:33 Speaker 9: festival scheduled for last summer, where Ye was also scheduled

50:36 Speaker 9: to perform, but local protests against the event combined with

50:40 Speaker 9: logistics concerns that led to the rapper withdrawing from the lineup,

50:45 Speaker 9: and the festival was ultimately canceled. Varga defended Ye at

50:51 Speaker 9: the time, blaming the failure of the festival on financial

50:54 Speaker 9: regulations and asserting that the rapper shouldn't be barred from performing. Similarly,

50:59 Speaker 9: Rambova said that Ye should be free to perform despite

51:02 Speaker 9: his past anti Semitic remarks. The show in Prague is

51:05 Speaker 9: the latest in a series of canceled performances since Ye

51:07 Speaker 9: began publicly making anti Semitic statements. In April, the rapper

51:12 Speaker 9: was denied a visa to the UK for the Wireless Festival,

51:17 Speaker 9: where Ye was announced as a headliner. Ultimately, the entire

51:21 Speaker 9: event was scrapped. Just a week later, the rapper postponed

51:24 Speaker 9: a planned show in how Do You Say That, Marseilles

51:28 Speaker 9: after rumors that French authorities were looking to cancel it.

51:32 Speaker 9: Since then, shows in Poland, Italy and other countries have

51:34 Speaker 9: also been canceled citing concerns over Yea's anti semitism. The

51:38 Speaker 9: rapper successfully performed two shows in the Netherlands on June

51:41 Speaker 9: six and June eighth, after the Dutch Deputy Prime minister

51:44 Speaker 9: confirmed they investigated his past statements and found no and

51:48 Speaker 9: found insignificant legal grounds for borrowing him from the country.

51:52 Speaker 9: In late twenty twenty two, if you don't remember, he

51:55 Speaker 9: began making anti Semitic remarks on social media, which led

51:59 Speaker 9: to a w of cancelations from sponsors and business partners.

52:03 Speaker 9: By the way, he also went on the Alex Jones

52:08 Speaker 9: Show and declared his love for the Fear. If you

52:12 Speaker 9: don't remember, earlier this year, the rapper issued a full

52:15 Speaker 9: page public apology in The Wall Street Journal blaming his

52:18 Speaker 9: antisemitic remarks on untreated bipolar disorder and a car accident

52:23 Speaker 9: he was in years ago. I'm skeptical in those moments.

52:31 Speaker 9: I forgot about the full page public apology, but that

52:38 Speaker 9: may not have been enough. But that's hard to come

52:41 Speaker 9: back from. All right, we are almost out of time.

52:43 Speaker 9: Thank you all for joining us today again. Thank you

52:44 Speaker 9: to Dan Milligan from The Joy Thieves for joining us,

52:47 Speaker 9: and of course Mick Michael's in the first hour who

52:51 Speaker 9: also was with us from Corners of Sanctuary and we

52:56 Speaker 9: played their new single, their cover of Lick It Up

52:59 Speaker 9: by Kiss. Yes, if you don't know lick It Up

53:01 Speaker 9: or I'm sorry Kiss, I should say, happens to be

53:03 Speaker 9: my favorite band, so I was excited about that. But

53:05 Speaker 9: I really enjoyed both conversations. And if you miss any

53:08 Speaker 9: part of today's show, it will be up in just

53:10 Speaker 9: a little bit at my website. Matt connorton dot com

53:13 Speaker 9: and our new site, Matt Connorton Unleashed dot com. Please

53:17 Speaker 9: check that out if you haven't done so already. Also,

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53:30 Speaker 9: All my contact information is there. I actually just got

53:33 Speaker 9: a message last night from one of the member of

53:37 Speaker 9: one of the bands that we've had on the show

53:38 Speaker 9: recently who wants to quit smoking. So, and that's kind

53:41 Speaker 9: of my I don't want to say it's my specialty.

53:43 Speaker 9: We can use hypnotherapy for many different things, but it's

53:45 Speaker 9: definitely the number one thing that people come to me

53:47 Speaker 9: for is to quit smoking. So Matt connorton dot com

53:50 Speaker 9: is the website if you want to keep up with

53:52 Speaker 9: everything Jenny is doing. Jencoffee dot com is her site.

53:56 Speaker 9: She's up to a lot of good trouble, as she

53:58 Speaker 9: likes to say, so I'm not gonna say any thing

54:00 Speaker 9: about where she is right now, but she's up to

54:02 Speaker 9: something good, so we'll leave it at that. But again,

54:06 Speaker 9: thank you everyone who joined me. And I think to

54:08 Speaker 9: close out today's show, I think we should do. We

54:13 Speaker 9: opened with it, we didn't quite open with it, but

54:16 Speaker 9: close to the top of the show we played it.

54:18 Speaker 9: I think we should give this to spend one more time,

54:20 Speaker 9: partly for selfish reasons because Kiss is my favorite band

54:24 Speaker 9: and I really love Corners of Sanctuary their cover of

54:28 Speaker 9: the Kiss classic Lick It Up. I think that is

54:31 Speaker 9: a perfect way to close out today's show. Thank you everybody,

54:34 Speaker 9: Love to you all, and we will talk at y'all

54:37 Speaker 9: a little bit later. Bye, everybody.

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55:12 Speaker 3: Was stay don't wait to play about it?

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57:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're listening to Matt Connorton Unleashed on WMNH ninety

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