Matt Connarton Unleashed 6-13-26 hour 2

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3:59 Speaker 9: Were I really like that a lot? That is the

4:44 Speaker 9: awakening by ex Animal and we are supposed to, uh,

4:49 Speaker 9: if you're listening live on Saturday, we're supposed to have

4:52 Speaker 9: Claude from X Animal with us but joining us remotely online.

4:57 Speaker 9: But unfortunately he seems to be I think he's having

4:59 Speaker 9: an issue connecting on his end. It's not a problem

5:02 Speaker 9: with us, but oh wait a minute, this might be

5:04 Speaker 9: him on the phone. Actually, let me see. Oh, nobody there. Okay,

5:11 Speaker 9: someone was calling the phone line. But yeah, so we

5:14 Speaker 9: are having a little bit of a trouble, A little

5:16 Speaker 9: bit of a trouble, A little bit of a problem,

5:18 Speaker 9: A little bit of trouble. Uh with that. So again,

5:21 Speaker 9: I'm pretty sure it's on his end. Let's see who's this?

5:25 Speaker 9: This might be him calling using the studio line as

5:28 Speaker 9: a backup.

5:28 Speaker 10: Hello is this man?

5:31 Speaker 9: Yes, who's this?

5:33 Speaker 10: This is Ricky Mapleton.

5:35 Speaker 9: Oh hey, Ricky, what's up?

5:37 Speaker 10: I Am just going to see how you're doing the show?

5:42 Speaker 10: Is your show is amazing in the great world of

5:45 Speaker 10: Matt Conaton.

5:46 Speaker 9: Oh, well, thank you, I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Yeah,

5:48 Speaker 9: we're we have a guest who's going to be joining

5:50 Speaker 9: us remotely, Claude from Ex Animal, But he's having a

5:52 Speaker 9: little bit of trouble connecting, so I might have to

5:54 Speaker 9: play another song and we'll see if we can get

5:56 Speaker 9: him on the line. But how have you been anything

5:58 Speaker 9: anything going on? Anything to promote.

6:02 Speaker 10: I'm in production of Scream Oh Sports Songs Part two?

6:06 Speaker 9: Oh really?

6:07 Speaker 10: And the rumor is that the soccer Chance song maybe

6:14 Speaker 10: getting played on World Cup. I'm hoping really that would

6:19 Speaker 10: be that would be the greatest moment of Ricky Mapleton's

6:22 Speaker 10: career if it pops up during a stadium game or

6:25 Speaker 10: a quick chance. Uh, you know, as the World cupany

6:28 Speaker 10: is being played.

6:29 Speaker 9: Yes.

6:30 Speaker 10: Uh so besides besides that, working with a rap artist

6:35 Speaker 10: named I Drop, trying to go that direction a little

6:38 Speaker 10: bit on a separate project More Today Today Sound as

6:42 Speaker 10: scary as it may be, and I'm working on something

6:44 Speaker 10: called rock doesn't lie back to the Kiss. The kiss

6:48 Speaker 10: section really of rock reality. Yes, so that's a lot

6:52 Speaker 10: of the lot in the mix. Oh, very cool.

6:56 Speaker 9: No, that's all. That's all exciting. Where do I find that?

7:00 Speaker 11: Oh?

7:00 Speaker 9: Wait a minute, I'm trying to look at it because

7:02 Speaker 9: I think I'm gonna play it. Uh, the soccer chant song,

7:05 Speaker 9: it's under screen. Oh, I'm looking for it because I know,

7:09 Speaker 9: I know we have it because we've played it before.

7:11 Speaker 9: Oh I found it. Yeah, maybe we'll play this if

7:13 Speaker 9: I can't, you know, if I can't get Claude on

7:16 Speaker 9: the line with us, because I think he's having a

7:18 Speaker 9: technical problem on his end, we might play the soccer

7:21 Speaker 9: chant song from Screamo Sports. Well, I do love it.

7:25 Speaker 9: I mean it's it's really good. All right, thank you,

7:29 Speaker 9: Ricky Mapleton, take care bye bye. Oh well, well that's cool.

7:32 Speaker 9: I'm really excited about Screamo Sports Songs Part two. Let's

7:35 Speaker 9: go ahead and play this and we'll see what happens

7:38 Speaker 9: if we are joined by Claude from X Animal. And

7:42 Speaker 9: if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out, we

7:43 Speaker 9: can always pivot.

7:44 Speaker 12: Uh.

7:44 Speaker 9: We've got the Joy Thieves coming up in the third hour,

7:48 Speaker 9: of course. But here here's an interlude. Let's listen to this.

7:51 Speaker 9: This is a lot of fun. The soccer chant song

7:53 Speaker 9: from Screamo Sports Songs by the great Ricky Mapleton. Apparently

7:57 Speaker 9: it's Screamo Sports Songs Part one because it is part

8:00 Speaker 9: two coming. Can't wait, dear, but check this out. This

8:02 Speaker 9: is fun Boo.

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8:10 Speaker 6: Boo po foo.

8:13 Speaker 2: Foopo fos boo boos.

8:17 Speaker 13: Laying on the bench, scribble down between my legs, sta bush.

8:26 Speaker 6: In the bag.

8:28 Speaker 2: It's time for a yellow car summer song. Boozoo boo

8:39 Speaker 2: boost fool.

8:43 Speaker 5: Boos po foo.

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8:50 Speaker 13: Time for our corner kicks ball mys up in the air,

8:57 Speaker 13: two heads collide, red card comes out, sign for up

9:07 Speaker 13: corner cats.

9:14 Speaker 2: Boom, muhold.

9:23 Speaker 9: Side it up, He's it square.

9:31 Speaker 13: Upright corner.

9:34 Speaker 4: He shoots at storm.

9:46 Speaker 3: Mushold.

9:55 Speaker 9: How cool is that? The soccer chant song by the

9:57 Speaker 9: great Ricky Mapleton. I love that. So, if you are

10:01 Speaker 9: just joining us, this is Matt Connorton Unleashed and we

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10:11 Speaker 9: but it is glorious. I like the heat. If you

10:14 Speaker 9: don't know, a lot of people don't, I'm just strange.

10:18 Speaker 9: But of course today is Saturday, June thirteen, twenty twenty six.

10:22 Speaker 9: We are of course from the studios of wm and

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10:33 Speaker 9: media links, contact info, show archives, et cetera, et cetera. Hey,

10:38 Speaker 9: a little bit of music news that caught my eye.

10:40 Speaker 9: And then we've got a couple of Uh, we'll see

10:42 Speaker 9: if Claude is able to join us, but I don't

10:43 Speaker 9: think it's gonna happen. So, but we also have a

10:46 Speaker 9: couple of world radio premieres to feature this week. We

10:50 Speaker 9: did it in the first hour, but if you miss it,

10:52 Speaker 9: we're gonna do it again in our number two that

10:54 Speaker 9: is coming up. But right now, I do want to

10:56 Speaker 9: look at this. This is from music Businessworldwide dot com,

11:01 Speaker 9: one of my favorite websites for music industry news, which

11:03 Speaker 9: we do a lot of here on the show. But

11:05 Speaker 9: this story caught my eye, not only because it's some

11:07 Speaker 9: very interesting music industry news and the base of the

11:13 Speaker 9: story is interesting for a couple of reasons, but it's

11:14 Speaker 9: also one of these things where you go, why would

11:19 Speaker 9: anyone try to do this and think that they can

11:23 Speaker 9: get away with it? Yes, this story does involve a

11:26 Speaker 9: fraud and much of fraud. It's like why does why

11:30 Speaker 9: does anyone think that they're going to get away with this?

11:32 Speaker 9: It's like bank robberies. You know, you ever you ever

11:34 Speaker 9: hear or see a news story about a bank robbery

11:37 Speaker 9: in twenty twenty six, and you think, why does anyone

11:40 Speaker 9: think that they can rob a bank and they're going

11:43 Speaker 9: to somehow get away with it. It's not gonna happen.

11:45 Speaker 9: You're not gonna get away with robbing a bank. So

11:49 Speaker 9: this is one of those things you ready for this.

11:53 Speaker 9: Napster's three billion dollar investor charged with fraud, as US

11:59 Speaker 9: authorities say the money never existed. Oops, somebody thought they

12:05 Speaker 9: were gonna get away with it. I guess I don't know.

12:07 Speaker 9: I don't know what they were trying to do. Let's

12:08 Speaker 9: look at this and again, this is from Music Businessworldwide

12:11 Speaker 9: dot com says your US authorities have charged a North

12:15 Speaker 9: Carolina man with fraud, alleging that he used forged bank

12:19 Speaker 9: records and a fake banking website to obtain hundreds of

12:24 Speaker 9: millions of shares in Napster owner Infinite Infinite Reality without

12:30 Speaker 9: paying a cent. An indictment, unsealed on Thursday, June eleven,

12:36 Speaker 9: charges that Charles Cole of Mooresville, North Carolina, with wire fraud,

12:43 Speaker 9: conspiracy to commit wire fraud, and conspiracy to commit securities fraud.

12:49 Speaker 9: That's a lot of fraud. He also faces a parallel

12:53 Speaker 9: civil complaint from the US Securities and Exchange Commission the SEC,

12:57 Speaker 9: which charges him alongside his lawyer, attorney Torbin Welch, with

13:03 Speaker 9: and three entities he controlled. Okay, so that's where the

13:06 Speaker 9: conspiracy part of the fraud comes in. The fraud part

13:09 Speaker 9: is clear. Now, we also know where the conspiracy is.

13:12 Speaker 9: The case centers on Infinite Reality, the Florida based technology

13:16 Speaker 9: company that acquired Napster in twenty twenty five and later

13:19 Speaker 9: took on its name. In mid twenty twenty four, the

13:22 Speaker 9: company was seeking to raise around three hundred and fifty

13:25 Speaker 9: million dollars, and a broker introduced it to Coal as

13:28 Speaker 9: someone who could help facilitate the investment. The indictment states

13:32 Speaker 9: Cole first proposed handing over a one billion dollar bond

13:37 Speaker 9: in exchange for three hundred and fifty million dollars of stock,

13:41 Speaker 9: but his attempts to monetize it failed. He then told

13:45 Speaker 9: the company he wanted to buy billions of dollars worth

13:48 Speaker 9: of shares, directly submitting documents if falsely claimed a fifty

13:52 Speaker 9: million dollar annual income and an eight hundred million dollar

13:56 Speaker 9: net worth. Prosecutors allege again, there's more to this, but again,

14:02 Speaker 9: I just whenever I see something or hear something like this,

14:05 Speaker 9: it's like, how did this person think they were going

14:07 Speaker 9: to get away with this? Cole and Welch falsely told

14:12 Speaker 9: Infinite Reality that Coal or Avnok controlled at least fifty

14:17 Speaker 9: five billion dollars in assets. The sec alleges. When payments

14:22 Speaker 9: failed to arrive, Cole allegedly told Infinite Reality that he

14:26 Speaker 9: held billions of dollars at a second bank, this one

14:30 Speaker 9: in Malaysia, and that he had opened an account there

14:34 Speaker 9: in the company's name. One fabricated letter claimed Cole was

14:38 Speaker 9: quote ready, willing and able to fully fund the transfer

14:43 Speaker 9: of how do I even read this three billion, three

14:48 Speaker 9: hundred and sixty million dollars. According to the indictment, the account, however,

14:54 Speaker 9: was a fiction. Coal and a co conspirator had a step.

14:58 Speaker 9: By the way, what's the what's the point of the

15:01 Speaker 9: word co conspirator? Can't you just say conspirator? A conspiracy

15:05 Speaker 9: has to have more than one person, So why do

15:10 Speaker 9: we need co conspirator? Why can't we just say conspirator?

15:13 Speaker 9: What's the difference? Sorry, longtime listeners know, I get fixated

15:18 Speaker 9: on things like that. Cole and a co conspirator had

15:25 Speaker 9: established offshore servers hosting a fake website that mirrored the

15:31 Speaker 9: real banks site, allowing users to quote log in to

15:35 Speaker 9: fabricated accounts. The indictment states Cole repeatedly asked a Cone

15:41 Speaker 9: a co conspirator, whether the server hosting the mirror was

15:45 Speaker 9: up and running so that we can add an account

15:48 Speaker 9: and go live. According to the indictment, Infinite Reality executives

15:52 Speaker 9: received a fake welcome email, logged in and saw what

15:56 Speaker 9: looked like a funded account. Prosecutors allege in all if

16:00 Speaker 9: Finite Reality issued Cole and his entities at least two

16:02 Speaker 9: hundred and thirty nine million shares. The indictment states. Jake Clayton,

16:10 Speaker 9: us attorney, said, quote as alleged, Charles Cole built a

16:12 Speaker 9: fiction of wealth using fake bank records, sham correspondence, and

16:17 Speaker 9: a fraudulent bank website, then use that fiction to obtain

16:20 Speaker 9: hundreds of millions of shares with no intention of paying

16:23 Speaker 9: for them unquote. He also said, quote fraud is flaw.

16:27 Speaker 9: A fraud is flaw, a fraud, whether in our public

16:31 Speaker 9: markets or our private markets unquote. By the way, I

16:35 Speaker 9: assume he's saying that, because I mean, and that should

16:38 Speaker 9: be obvious frauds fraud. But you know, there are people

16:41 Speaker 9: and I'm not someone who does this, but there are

16:44 Speaker 9: people who will take the perspective of and you see

16:47 Speaker 9: this more and more of well, it's just somebody stealing

16:52 Speaker 9: from a big company, so that that makes it okay.

16:57 Speaker 9: People will kind of justify that that makes it okay

16:59 Speaker 9: if you're ripping off big company, you're ripping off a

17:01 Speaker 9: corporation who cares. But again, fraud is fraud, and that

17:05 Speaker 9: might be a good thing to remind people like this guy,

17:08 Speaker 9: Charles Cole, who again, how did he think that he

17:12 Speaker 9: wasn't going to get caught? Kenny On's an unusual name.

17:18 Speaker 9: Kenny larco Ward, the inspector in charge of the New

17:21 Speaker 9: York Field office of the US Postal Inspection Service, said, quote,

17:25 Speaker 9: mister Cole allegedly defrauded an unsuspecting company through a series

17:29 Speaker 9: of lies and misrepresentations unquote. It says here Cole never

17:35 Speaker 9: invested any money and instead used the shares as collateral

17:39 Speaker 9: to borrow from lenders. The indictment states, in May twenty

17:44 Speaker 9: twenty five, a US lender loaned one million dollars against

17:48 Speaker 9: nearly forty five million of the shares, with the proceeds

17:51 Speaker 9: passing through an account held by Cole's then attorney before

17:55 Speaker 9: roughly two hundred and eighty thousand was withdrawn. The SEC

17:59 Speaker 9: identified that attorney as Welch In alleges that he secured

18:03 Speaker 9: the loan by providing forged documents to verify Cole's wealth

18:06 Speaker 9: and giving the lender false assurances. Cole later like, what's

18:10 Speaker 9: the point of all? Like, is it just again? I

18:14 Speaker 9: know I'm editorializing a lot here, but I just I

18:16 Speaker 9: wonder about this. Are these people just crazy? These conspirators,

18:20 Speaker 9: They couldn't, Like, no rational human being could possibly think

18:25 Speaker 9: that they're going to get away with this. Anything that

18:28 Speaker 9: you do leaves a digital footprint, leaves breadcrumbs. You can't

18:34 Speaker 9: possibly get away with anything like this. You can't. And

18:40 Speaker 9: I'm sure somewhere there's a story of someone who pulled

18:44 Speaker 9: off a grandiose scheme like this and got away with it. Okay,

18:47 Speaker 9: but the odds are so incredibly low. I mean, how

18:54 Speaker 9: did these people think they had a shot at getting

18:56 Speaker 9: away with this? They have to be insane. These are

18:59 Speaker 9: not mentally well people to even attempt this scheme. In

19:03 Speaker 9: my opinion, it says here and again this is from

19:07 Speaker 9: a music businessworldwide dot com. Cole later tried to acquire

19:11 Speaker 9: still more shares through a tender offer, fabricating a screenshot

19:18 Speaker 9: of an eleven billion dollar balance and an account that

19:21 Speaker 9: did not exist. Prosecutors alleged Cole even directed a co

19:24 Speaker 9: conspirator to fix mismatched formatting on the forged statements so

19:31 Speaker 9: they would match all the others, according to the indictment.

19:34 Speaker 9: The scheme unraveled in March twenty twenty six when Infinite

19:38 Speaker 9: Reality rescinded all the shares it had issued to Coal

19:42 Speaker 9: and his entities. As Music Business Worldwide reported in March

19:46 Speaker 9: twenty twenty five, Infinite Reality acquired Napster in a two

19:49 Speaker 9: hundred and seven million dollar deal, weeks after announcing what

19:52 Speaker 9: it described as a three billion dollar funding round from

19:57 Speaker 9: an unnamed private investor. The money never arrived, and prosecutors

20:02 Speaker 9: now led to the investor behind it, Cole, never had

20:05 Speaker 9: the funds he promised. Napster launched in nineteen ninety nine

20:08 Speaker 9: as a file sharing service before being shut down following

20:11 Speaker 9: a wave of copyright lawsuits, and the brand has changed

20:15 Speaker 9: hands repeatedly as a licensed streaming service and by the way,

20:19 Speaker 9: Napster again. When we talk about, you know, the changes

20:22 Speaker 9: in the music industry and everything right now, the big

20:25 Speaker 9: change is AI AI is causing a lot of upheopal

20:28 Speaker 9: in the music industry. But back then, in nineteen ninety

20:31 Speaker 9: nine into the early two thousands, it was Napster. I

20:34 Speaker 9: was working for Transworld Entertainment at the time. I was

20:37 Speaker 9: a store manager. Trans World owned at that time Strawberries,

20:40 Speaker 9: which eventually got bought. Well actually this was before trans

20:44 Speaker 9: World owned it. Strawberries was a separate company. But anyway,

20:47 Speaker 9: it was a music store, so we sold CDs and

20:50 Speaker 9: Jesus at that time we staw had cassette tapes, but

20:52 Speaker 9: we were mostly selling CDs, so we were selling music.

20:55 Speaker 9: So when Napster showed up, like there was an and

21:00 Speaker 9: this is not hyperbolic, this is absolute fact. There was

21:04 Speaker 9: what could only be described as panic in the industry,

21:09 Speaker 9: both on the retail side of it and all throughout

21:12 Speaker 9: the music industry. There was panic because it was like

21:15 Speaker 9: Napster comes along, and you can and it was the

21:19 Speaker 9: harbinger of what we have now. But you know, the

21:22 Speaker 9: music industry really had to adapt here, and it took

21:24 Speaker 9: a long time, but there was panic. Napster comes along,

21:26 Speaker 9: and I remember having conversations with people about this where

21:28 Speaker 9: I said, you know, so I guess music is just free.

21:31 Speaker 9: Now music is free, so this changes everything And there

21:35 Speaker 9: was absolute panic, all right, So it was my little

21:42 Speaker 9: Napster sidebar. It says here. In twenty eleven it merged

21:46 Speaker 9: with the subscription platform Rhapsody, and operated under the Rhapsody

21:50 Speaker 9: name in the US until rebranding re rebranding to Napster

21:55 Speaker 9: again in twenty sixteen. It was sold to virtual reality

21:58 Speaker 9: company Melody VR in a seven million dollars deal in

22:01 Speaker 9: twenty twenty, then to hive Mind Capital Partners and cryptocurrency

22:06 Speaker 9: firm Algorand in twenty twenty two before the Infinite Reality

22:10 Speaker 9: acquisition in twenty twenty five. The case has been assigned

22:14 Speaker 9: to US District Court Judge Vernon S. Broderick, with Cole

22:18 Speaker 9: presented in the Western District of North Carolina on Thursday.

22:22 Speaker 9: The wire fraud and wire fraud conspiracy counts each carry

22:25 Speaker 9: a maximum sentence of twenty years in prison, while the

22:28 Speaker 9: securities fraud conspiracy counts carry a maximum of five years.

22:31 Speaker 9: The DOJ said. The full indictment also seeks the forfeiture

22:35 Speaker 9: if any proceeds col made from the alleged scheme. The

22:38 Speaker 9: charges are allegations, and Cole is presented innocent is I'm sorry,

22:41 Speaker 9: presumed innocent until and unless proven guilty. So there you go.

22:46 Speaker 9: But again, like, how does somebody do this and think

22:48 Speaker 9: that they have any shot of getting away with it.

22:52 Speaker 9: It's it's truly, truly remarkable. If you are just joining us,

22:57 Speaker 9: this is Matt Connorton Unleashed. We've got a couple of

23:00 Speaker 9: world premieres for you this week. Our friend Aaron Billado

23:03 Speaker 9: who will be here with us in studio on July eleven.

23:07 Speaker 9: Can't wait to see him. Hopefully he'll come in and

23:09 Speaker 9: play live for us. But he's got a brand new

23:11 Speaker 9: album called Lid Liquor and the first single is called

23:14 Speaker 9: the Passenger and we're gonna play that for you. And

23:16 Speaker 9: of course we also have the new track from the

23:18 Speaker 9: band Anthems. It's called Afterglow. Absolutely love it. They will

23:21 Speaker 9: be on the show soon as well. I can pope.

23:23 Speaker 9: I can promise you that. And there is some audio

23:27 Speaker 9: I was not expecting. If you heard that that little okay,

23:31 Speaker 9: it's gone live radio, my friends. All right, here we

23:35 Speaker 9: go this week's world radio premieres. And don't forget we've

23:38 Speaker 9: got the Joy Thieves coming up in the third hour.

23:43 Speaker 12: You're listening to Matt Connorton Unleashed on WM and H

23:47 Speaker 12: ninety five point three.

23:57 Speaker 9: This week on Matt Connorton Unleashed, we have two exclusive

24:01 Speaker 9: world radio premieres for you. You will only hear these

24:05 Speaker 9: on w m n H ninety five point three f

24:08 Speaker 9: M up first from his new album Lid Liquor. This

24:11 Speaker 9: is Aaron Billado with the Passenger.

24:37 Speaker 4: A little bit every day and.

24:40 Speaker 7: Wait until the Scott Ray the passenger.

24:47 Speaker 2: That I can see in.

24:52 Speaker 7: Sad clovery. It don't matter what.

25:41 Speaker 9: I said, that's clos Now we have another exclusive world

26:55 Speaker 9: radio premiere. You heard it here first on Matt connorton

26:58 Speaker 9: Unleashed w m n H ninety five point three FM.

27:02 Speaker 9: The new single from Anthems available June nineteen. This is

27:07 Speaker 9: called Afterglow.

27:29 Speaker 2: I can't excide. Whenever I'm thinking, I shry to hide.

27:40 Speaker 2: Maybe try and hide it so hide. She's got a win. Hide.

27:51 Speaker 2: My name is Cridad.

27:55 Speaker 3: The sigence tells me how three day.

28:01 Speaker 4: I don't even guys.

28:04 Speaker 2: Don side of the I don't hate then never never, never,

28:33 Speaker 2: try't even try it, cause you start over the lode

28:36 Speaker 2: of Yeah. I can by it. That's excited deep inside

28:40 Speaker 2: of me. Get a crying when you signs.

28:43 Speaker 4: Tell me that right today.

28:45 Speaker 2: You know I don't need to li guy, get excited.

28:54 Speaker 4: The I don't need to no, I know mins never,

29:31 Speaker 4: I don't need then don't sign them.

29:39 Speaker 2: I don't need try to sign.

29:47 Speaker 4: I don't need then.

29:49 Speaker 9: I can't sign in the.

29:54 Speaker 4: I don't MISSU.

30:14 Speaker 9: This is Matt connorton Unleashed. We are live from the

30:17 Speaker 9: studios of WMNH ninety five point three FM, and uh

30:21 Speaker 9: we got some uh some great stuff coming up in

30:24 Speaker 9: the third hour today. The Joy Thieves will be our

30:27 Speaker 9: guest and they are a supergroup. I'm just gonna go

30:30 Speaker 9: ahead and tell you right now a little bit about them,

30:34 Speaker 9: because there is a lot. There is a lot of

30:39 Speaker 9: this group. When I say they're a supergroup. Here's here's

30:42 Speaker 9: some of the people who are involved in this project.

30:44 Speaker 9: Actually this is right from their website. Who are the Thieves?

30:48 Speaker 9: The Joy Thieves are an ever growing, ever changing collective

30:51 Speaker 9: of musicians. The following is a list of verified members,

30:55 Speaker 9: along with a list of some of the other musical

30:57 Speaker 9: projects in which they have been involved. Amy Abermite from

31:02 Speaker 9: Mary's Window, Scott David Allen from a Covenant of Thorns

31:06 Speaker 9: and The Burying Kind, Steven Archer from Ego Likeness, Stoneburner,

31:10 Speaker 9: Tessa Acid I'm not sure how to say that from

31:13 Speaker 9: Designer Violence, Dave Betcha Batcha from Love Lines, Bleeding, Julian Beeston,

31:23 Speaker 9: who has played with Knitzer, Ebb, Bob Marley, Billy Idol, William, Orbit,

31:28 Speaker 9: Gravity Kills, Flood and others. Howie Beino, who has played

31:34 Speaker 9: with Ministry, Black, Asteroid, Silver Relics, Depeche Mode, Red Hot,

31:39 Speaker 9: Chili Peppers, Mary's Window, Sheep On Drugs, Screw, thirteen MG,

31:44 Speaker 9: and Blondie. There's just wow. This is a really long list.

31:51 Speaker 9: So this is more than a supergroup, this is like

31:53 Speaker 9: a super collective. So I'm really looking forward to that.

31:57 Speaker 9: So the Joy Thieves coming up in the third hour,

31:59 Speaker 9: and the music is really really good right now, though,

32:02 Speaker 9: you know, we were talking about this earlier. A little

32:04 Speaker 9: more music industry news for you. This is from Digital

32:07 Speaker 9: Musicnews dot Com, again one of my favorite websites for

32:10 Speaker 9: music industry news, and this relates to something that we

32:12 Speaker 9: were talking on the show about very recently. You know,

32:16 Speaker 9: because in the AI era and as we watch how

32:19 Speaker 9: AI is affecting the music industry or infecting the music

32:23 Speaker 9: industry depending on your point of view, there's a and

32:26 Speaker 9: again we were even talking about this. Well, we touched

32:30 Speaker 9: on on this a little bit with UH with Mick

32:33 Speaker 9: from Corners of Sanctuary, in the first hour. But AI

32:36 Speaker 9: is really causing a lot of One of the things

32:39 Speaker 9: that people are concerned with with AI, it's not just

32:41 Speaker 9: that you're able to easily generate really professional, well produced

32:46 Speaker 9: music with just a few prompts, like with apps like

32:50 Speaker 9: Suno and whatnot. So obviously people are concerned about musicians

32:53 Speaker 9: being replaced by AI. You know, a lot of people

32:56 Speaker 9: are worried about their jobs losing their jobs to AI

32:59 Speaker 9: in various ways as we see the acceleration of automation

33:03 Speaker 9: and all of these things. But you wouldn't necessarily if

33:06 Speaker 9: it's not something that if the music industry isn't something

33:09 Speaker 9: you're actively thinking about. And I know we have a

33:11 Speaker 9: lot of listeners of this show who are involved in

33:12 Speaker 9: the music industry, But if you're outside of it and

33:14 Speaker 9: you're not necessarily thinking about it, you wouldn't particularly be

33:19 Speaker 9: worried about musicians necessarily having their jobs replaced by AI.

33:23 Speaker 9: But if you are a musician or you're in the

33:26 Speaker 9: music industry in any capacity, you are thinking about this.

33:29 Speaker 9: But there's also an increased potential for fraud for people

33:35 Speaker 9: pretending to be who they're not, impersonating celebrities. We talked

33:39 Speaker 9: about that recently on the show on TikTok Ai impersonations

33:44 Speaker 9: of Taylor Swift, for example, selling memberships to some service

33:48 Speaker 9: on TikTok And then you wonder, well, if you're a

33:51 Speaker 9: discerning person using logic and reason, you might wonder, why

33:54 Speaker 9: would Taylor Swift, who has all the money in the

33:56 Speaker 9: world and is so hugely successful, a global icon, why

33:59 Speaker 9: is she on tiko talk selling memberships? Because it's not

34:02 Speaker 9: really Taylor Swift. It's AI generated, but it's it wants

34:05 Speaker 9: you to think it's Taylor Swift. It's fraud. So Spotify,

34:09 Speaker 9: we talked about this on the show. Spotify has they've

34:15 Speaker 9: got this new artist profile protection thing where if you're

34:19 Speaker 9: an artist on Spotify, if you have music on Spotify,

34:22 Speaker 9: you can become verified. It's similar to what other social

34:26 Speaker 9: media platforms have done, like you know x formerly Twitter

34:30 Speaker 9: you can be verified. You can do something like that

34:33 Speaker 9: on Facebook now too. For your business you can be verified.

34:36 Speaker 9: I don't know if Facebook calls it verified or if

34:38 Speaker 9: they call it something else. I can't remember, but it

34:40 Speaker 9: costs money, so I haven't done it. But now they

34:45 Speaker 9: have it for artists, so you can be a verified artist.

34:47 Speaker 9: And what this is supposed to prevent In theory, is

34:52 Speaker 9: somebody say, somebody wants to pretend that they're Tailor's Swift

34:56 Speaker 9: and they create some music, presumably during using AI, some

35:01 Speaker 9: AI generated tracks that sound like Taylor Swift, and then

35:04 Speaker 9: they upload them to Spotify and they call themselves Taylor Swift,

35:08 Speaker 9: but they're not really Taylor Swift. It's supposed to help

35:11 Speaker 9: to prevent that, but is it working? And this question

35:15 Speaker 9: this article asks that question from Digital Musicnews dot com.

35:18 Speaker 9: Is Spotify's artist profile protection actually working? Fans confused after

35:24 Speaker 9: Bridget Mendler's new EP appears. So let's see what's going

35:29 Speaker 9: on here, it says. Bridget Mendler says a SURPRISEEP attributed

35:35 Speaker 9: to her on Spotify and Apple Music is not her,

35:40 Speaker 9: raising questions about streaming platforms efforts to curb AI impersonators.

35:45 Speaker 9: Last week, fans of former Disney Channel star Bridget Mendler

35:49 Speaker 9: were thrilled to see she had released a new EP

35:52 Speaker 9: titled Once Again, on Spotify and Apple Music, but Mendler

35:57 Speaker 9: confirmed on social media that the release it wasn't her,

36:01 Speaker 9: raising concerns about streamer's efforts to prevent AI impersonation. Sorry

36:07 Speaker 9: to disappoint everyone. The Spotify release wasn't me, wrote Mendler

36:12 Speaker 9: on the former Twitter on Wednesday. When it is, trust me,

36:16 Speaker 9: you'll know, oh boy. Spotify confirmed that the fakep had

36:22 Speaker 9: been removed from the platform. Here's what Spotify spokesperson had

36:27 Speaker 9: to say about this quote. Protecting artist's identities is a

36:30 Speaker 9: top priority for us, and we continue to invest heavily

36:33 Speaker 9: in detection and prevention. Spotify is the only streaming service

36:37 Speaker 9: to offer artist profile protection, currently available in beta, which

36:41 Speaker 9: lets artists opt in to review and approve or decline

36:46 Speaker 9: incoming releases before they go live on their profile unquote,

36:50 Speaker 9: which seems like a pretty simple system. Actually, you know,

36:53 Speaker 9: a lot of this stuff is complicated, and I always

36:56 Speaker 9: worry about people getting caught in the net. For example,

36:58 Speaker 9: when we talk about software that can detect AI and

37:04 Speaker 9: then either block that track or that content or label

37:09 Speaker 9: it as AI and so it's not monetizable on YouTube,

37:12 Speaker 9: for example, things like that, I always worry about people

37:14 Speaker 9: getting caught in the net, people who are actually making

37:16 Speaker 9: quote unquote legitimate content or legitimate music, but they get

37:20 Speaker 9: tagged as AI when in fact, for example, if you're

37:23 Speaker 9: making music, you know, any modern recording studio has programs

37:28 Speaker 9: has software in it that they're working with that uses

37:31 Speaker 9: AI in some way, so you know there's there's going

37:34 Speaker 9: to be error there. This system seems like it would

37:37 Speaker 9: be pretty foolproof, though. If you are a verified artist

37:41 Speaker 9: on Spotify, if someone uploads something with your name on it,

37:46 Speaker 9: you're going to get an email. I presume this is

37:49 Speaker 9: how it works from Spotify saying hey, is this you

37:54 Speaker 9: do you approve this, and then you either approve it

37:56 Speaker 9: or you deny it, and if you deny it, it

37:58 Speaker 9: doesn't go up. That seems like a really simple system,

38:02 Speaker 9: but it is in beta and apparently there are already

38:05 Speaker 9: problems with it because it did not work for Bridget Mendler. Okay,

38:09 Speaker 9: so let me just read that part again. But this

38:16 Speaker 9: is from the uh. This is what the spokesperson said.

38:21 Speaker 9: The system lets the artists opt in to review and

38:24 Speaker 9: approve or decline incoming releases before they go live on

38:27 Speaker 9: their profile. So it says here that implies that Mendler

38:32 Speaker 9: had not opted in to Spotify's artist profile protection, making

38:36 Speaker 9: her an easy target for impersonation. Okay, so she didn't

38:39 Speaker 9: opt in the former Wizards of Waverley Place star hasn't

38:44 Speaker 9: released new music. Since her four track EP Nemesis in

38:47 Speaker 9: twenty sixteen, followed by a single Driving in twenty seventeen. Okay,

38:52 Speaker 9: so she hasn't been active. I assume she's doing more acting.

38:56 Speaker 9: Maybe I don't know. I don't know anything about her,

38:58 Speaker 9: but she hasn't been active in terms of release music

39:00 Speaker 9: in almost a decade. So it makes sense. And you know,

39:03 Speaker 9: this is a relatively new thing, this artist profile verification,

39:06 Speaker 9: So I can see how she would have fallen through

39:10 Speaker 9: the cracks here. So it says here in fact, Mendler

39:16 Speaker 9: stepped away from the entertainment industry. Oh, she's not even acting.

39:19 Speaker 9: She stepped away from the entertainment industry to focus on

39:22 Speaker 9: her college education and pursue a career in tech. Oh okay.

39:26 Speaker 9: Now she's the co founder and CEO of Northwood Space

39:30 Speaker 9: and Aerospace communications startup launched in twenty twenty three. Okay,

39:33 Speaker 9: so she's out of the game completely. Given Mendler's pivot

39:36 Speaker 9: away from music, it seems she was ripe for Ai impersonation.

39:40 Speaker 9: Since she had presumably not opted into Spotify's beta service

39:44 Speaker 9: to protect her profile and was not focused on releasing

39:47 Speaker 9: new music, her presence was easier to mimic than someone

39:52 Speaker 9: actively involved and with a massive following like Taylor Swift

39:56 Speaker 9: or Ariana Grande Weather. Spotify's efforts to protect artists with

40:00 Speaker 9: artists Profile Protection will ultimately make a difference in curbing

40:03 Speaker 9: bad actors remains to be seen, since currently artists must

40:07 Speaker 9: opt into the service once the feature enjoys a wider rollout,

40:11 Speaker 9: and artists are not required to opt in. Such functionality

40:14 Speaker 9: could make a massive difference. Hopefully, Spotify as plans to

40:18 Speaker 9: expand the release so that artists like Mendler who aren't

40:21 Speaker 9: actively engaging with their streaming presence can rest easy knowing

40:26 Speaker 9: they won't be the target of AI deep fakes. Okay,

40:29 Speaker 9: I but I have a question, why can't you, like,

40:33 Speaker 9: why does it have to be something you have to

40:35 Speaker 9: opt in for? It just seems to me, wouldn't it

40:38 Speaker 9: not be the easiest thing in the world to just

40:40 Speaker 9: make it so that whoever the artist profile is registered to,

40:45 Speaker 9: they get And I mean, jeez, we all have two

40:50 Speaker 9: step verification now just to log in to our email

40:53 Speaker 9: or whatever, right or to social media, Like, there's all

40:56 Speaker 9: kinds of stuff now to verify things when you're logging

41:01 Speaker 9: into things. Why can't there be something and maybe if

41:07 Speaker 9: they opt into the artist's profile protection, maybe there's even

41:09 Speaker 9: an additional step. But why can't there be something basic

41:12 Speaker 9: where if it's your account, if it's your name, and

41:16 Speaker 9: someone is uploading something with your name on it, you

41:19 Speaker 9: automatically get an email saying, hey, just making sure this

41:24 Speaker 9: is you and that you approve of this. Why does

41:27 Speaker 9: it have to be something you have to opt into,

41:30 Speaker 9: because again, this is a problem. And you know, I

41:32 Speaker 9: thought this sounded like a great idea the first time

41:34 Speaker 9: we talked about it on the show, but yeah, there

41:36 Speaker 9: is a great giant gaping hole in this whole thing. Right,

41:39 Speaker 9: if you're not someone who's actively making new music and

41:42 Speaker 9: you're not paying attention to what's going on on Spotify

41:46 Speaker 9: because you're you don't have anything new to put there,

41:50 Speaker 9: then yeah, then you're ripe for this kind of thing.

41:54 Speaker 9: She hasn't put out new music since twenty seventeen, so

42:00 Speaker 9: they're gonna have to figure it out and listen again,

42:02 Speaker 9: this is in beta, and hopefully they will figure it out.

42:05 Speaker 9: But that's that's crazy. So another just quick thing because

42:09 Speaker 9: we are running out of time in the first hour.

42:13 Speaker 9: But this relates to another thing we talked about recently

42:17 Speaker 9: on the show about who owns your voice, and we

42:22 Speaker 9: talked about this with that whole that story we did.

42:25 Speaker 9: Maybe it was a month ago, the estate of Johnny

42:28 Speaker 9: Cash suing Coca Cola because Coca Cola had some commercials

42:36 Speaker 9: that there's a guy singing in the commercial that kind

42:39 Speaker 9: of sounds a little like Johnny Cash, but to me,

42:41 Speaker 9: did not sound enough like Johnny Cash to you know,

42:47 Speaker 9: to justify the claim that the estate was making in

42:50 Speaker 9: their lawsuit that Coca Cola intentionally hired a sound alike

42:54 Speaker 9: singer to fool people into thinking that it was Johnny

42:57 Speaker 9: Cash's voice in the commercial. To me, it's somebody singing

42:59 Speaker 9: kind of in the style of Donny Caspers. Doesn't sound

43:01 Speaker 9: like him. But that opened up a discussion on the

43:03 Speaker 9: show about your voice, owning your voice. You know, obviously

43:09 Speaker 9: everyone you know, whether you're doing anything creative or not

43:13 Speaker 9: or you know, it doesn't matter who you are, you

43:16 Speaker 9: own the rights to your own likeness. You know, somebody

43:19 Speaker 9: can't just take and use your likeness, a visual image

43:22 Speaker 9: of you and just use it for whatever they want to, right,

43:26 Speaker 9: That's that's illegal. You own your likeness no matter who

43:30 Speaker 9: you are. Whether you're famous not famous, whatever, you own

43:33 Speaker 9: your likeness. You own what you create, you own your own.

43:35 Speaker 9: If you great music, you own your music. If you

43:37 Speaker 9: create something else, you own it. You own that right.

43:40 Speaker 9: But what about your voice? What about your voice? And

43:44 Speaker 9: there was something that came up on the show several

43:46 Speaker 9: months ago. I can't remember the name of the company,

43:48 Speaker 9: but Scarlett Johanson was suing a company that had an

43:52 Speaker 9: app that they created. They wanted Scarlett Johansson's voice to

43:56 Speaker 9: be the voice of the app. She said, no, next thing,

43:59 Speaker 9: you know, you can hear her voice on the app

44:01 Speaker 9: because apparently they hired an actress who whose voice sounded

44:06 Speaker 9: very similar to that of Scarlett Johanson, or at least

44:08 Speaker 9: this is what they claimed. But she was claiming that, no,

44:11 Speaker 9: they just made an AI generated version of my voice.

44:13 Speaker 9: So she sued them and I think she won or

44:15 Speaker 9: they settled or something. But who owns your voice? And

44:19 Speaker 9: it is tricky. It is tricky because some people sound similar.

44:23 Speaker 9: You know, you might think you have a very distinctive voice.

44:27 Speaker 9: Nobody else sounds like you. But guess what, there's somebody

44:29 Speaker 9: out there who does. This is from Digital Musicnews dot Com.

44:34 Speaker 9: This is fascinating to me. And again, I don't think

44:38 Speaker 9: any of this were we not in the AI era,

44:42 Speaker 9: and very early in the AI era of things, I

44:44 Speaker 9: don't think any of this would be happening, including what

44:47 Speaker 9: I'm about to read here from Digital Musicnews dot Com.

44:49 Speaker 9: I don't think any of this would be happening were

44:51 Speaker 9: we not in the AI era. Lionel Richie moves to

44:55 Speaker 9: trademark his voice, filing sound mark application for easy like

45:01 Speaker 9: Sunday Morning and more. By the way, a sound mark

45:05 Speaker 9: application with the Trademark Office. That's usually for things like,

45:09 Speaker 9: you know, you can trademark sounds. I mean, obviously you

45:11 Speaker 9: can trademark songs, but you can also trademark other things

45:14 Speaker 9: like du that belongs to NBC, that's their you know,

45:19 Speaker 9: little song that you might hear at the end of

45:23 Speaker 9: a show, or something you know you can. But he's

45:25 Speaker 9: actually filing a trademark application, a sound mark application, specifically

45:30 Speaker 9: for his voice, it says here in the era of

45:33 Speaker 9: voice trademarks upon us. It seems that way as Lionel

45:37 Speaker 9: Richie has become the latest entertainment professional to file related

45:40 Speaker 9: applications amid AI's rapid expansion. Specifically, Richie moved to obtain

45:46 Speaker 9: the trademarks yesterday, joining the likes of Taylor Swift and

45:48 Speaker 9: Matthew McConaughey, both of whom have sought voice and Likeness

45:52 Speaker 9: trademarks as of late. According to the filings, Richie is

45:56 Speaker 9: specifically seeking sound marks for snippets of his famed song

45:59 Speaker 9: lyrics Hello is it me? You're looking for say you

46:02 Speaker 9: say me? Easy? Like Sunday Morning and all night long. Unsurprisingly,

46:08 Speaker 9: all the applications mention a man saying the lyrics and

46:11 Speaker 9: connection with, among other things, entertainment, information services, stage performances, interviews,

46:17 Speaker 9: and related websites. These specific usages aside, it's not a

46:22 Speaker 9: secret that the aforesaid AI, which is pumping out all

46:28 Speaker 9: manner of sound alike and look like media, played a

46:30 Speaker 9: key part in Richie submitting the applications. But will they

46:33 Speaker 9: receive USPTO approval? If so, how exactly would the four

46:38 Speaker 9: time Grammy winner look to protect his IP intellectual property

46:41 Speaker 9: undercurrent trademark law. See, we're in't a whole new realm here.

46:45 Speaker 9: There's a lot of lawyers. But boy, what a great

46:47 Speaker 9: time to be an attorney. They're going to make a

46:49 Speaker 9: lot of money in the AI era. Admittedly, again getting

46:53 Speaker 9: back to the article here, admittedly we lack definitive answers

46:56 Speaker 9: here on the former front. Gurban Ip pointed to the

47:00 Speaker 9: possibility of Richie and others encountering significant legal hurdles with

47:04 Speaker 9: the here to four Little Seeing applications. A few adjacent questions,

47:12 Speaker 9: as these applications are seeking to protect actual voices. What

47:15 Speaker 9: happens when and this is my question that I keep raising,

47:18 Speaker 9: what happens when similar sounding entertainers come along? Is this

47:23 Speaker 9: a first come, first served situation that will leave future

47:27 Speaker 9: generations out of luck? And what of existing voice overlap

47:31 Speaker 9: among public figures generally? Nevertheless, McConaughey has already secured several

47:37 Speaker 9: trademarks is Hey Hey Hey application was filed back in

47:41 Speaker 9: twenty twenty three. Furthermore, despite the enforceability questions, it's always

47:49 Speaker 9: possible that voice and likeness trademarks will prove useful in

47:52 Speaker 9: courtroom confrontations down the line. That ties back to another

47:56 Speaker 9: unknown how the NIL focus will evolve in the approaching

48:01 Speaker 9: years between the AI and music related music investment explosions.

48:05 Speaker 9: It seems safe to say that there's never been a

48:07 Speaker 9: bigger emphasis on the rights. Time will tell how this

48:12 Speaker 9: and the corresponding trademark process evolves in the coming years.

48:16 Speaker 9: There's also the chance that Congress will update voice and

48:18 Speaker 9: Likeness law for the AI era. What can go wrong?

48:22 Speaker 9: A modified version of the No Fakes Act, the prior

48:26 Speaker 9: iteration of which sputtered out in committee, was introduced last month.

48:30 Speaker 9: By the way, just a quick sidebar on that before

48:33 Speaker 9: we wrap this up, because we do need to show

48:36 Speaker 9: some love to our amazing sponsors. But I'm always nervous

48:43 Speaker 9: when we talk about Congress making laws involving any kind

48:48 Speaker 9: of technology, even though it's obviously necessary, because and if

48:53 Speaker 9: you don't know why I'm scared about that and why

48:56 Speaker 9: it concerns me, I challenge anyone go on YouTube and

49:00 Speaker 9: find an example. Find a YouTube of Congress people at

49:05 Speaker 9: a committee hearing asking questions of somebody like you know,

49:11 Speaker 9: like Mark Zuckerberg, for example. That's an easy one to find.

49:15 Speaker 9: He's testified I think, on more than one occasion before

49:17 Speaker 9: congressional committees. Find Saturday Night Live even oh wait, no,

49:22 Speaker 9: it was bad lip reading, did something about that. But

49:26 Speaker 9: find a video of Congress people asking at a committee

49:31 Speaker 9: hearing questions about tech or if you want to be specific,

49:35 Speaker 9: look up, look up Mark Zuckerberg testifies before Congress or whatever.

49:38 Speaker 9: And listen to the questions these people ask, and you

49:42 Speaker 9: will immediately And I'm not saying all of them, by

49:45 Speaker 9: the way, some some are well informed and ask good questions,

49:48 Speaker 9: but some don't. And you will immediately become concerned. I

49:53 Speaker 9: promise you. If this is not your reaction, there's something

49:55 Speaker 9: wrong with you. You should immediately become concerned about. You know,

50:00 Speaker 9: some of these, you know, septagenarian octogenarian people. Not to

50:05 Speaker 9: be agist, but some of the questions that they ask.

50:09 Speaker 9: When you realize that these are the people who are

50:11 Speaker 9: going to make laws about something that they don't and

50:14 Speaker 9: cannot and will not ever understand. When you listen to

50:17 Speaker 9: some of the questions and how confused they are, it's

50:21 Speaker 9: it always makes me so nervous. So maybe it's just

50:25 Speaker 9: as well that the no fakes act. Well, it might

50:28 Speaker 9: be something that I would support in theory and spirit

50:31 Speaker 9: and judgment, but maybe it's just as well that it's

50:35 Speaker 9: sputtered out because who knows what was actually in it

50:38 Speaker 9: and uh, and there's probably a bunch of things in

50:42 Speaker 9: it that didn't even apply to the problem at hand,

50:45 Speaker 9: because that happens a lot. But anyway, we're gonna wrap

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58:50 Speaker 2: I'm not a mind that no I can get your

58:59 Speaker 2: in me. I said no, and you got out, but

59:03 Speaker 2: you got your head. You called me back to the

59:08 Speaker 2: man with a mad Josey said no one to that.

59:17 Speaker 20: I can't remain for any water. Recut your war to

59:28 Speaker 20: the side, coming back to I can't remain for any warm.

59:39 Speaker 2: Any one.

59:42 Speaker 11: You know.

59:42 Speaker 2: I think I got up but got your head. Just

59:47 Speaker 2: take I said no, I got out but got your head.

59:51 Speaker 2: It's sake. I said, no, you got