Matt Connarton Unleashed 6-13-26 hour 1

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0:18 Speaker 2: This week on Matt Connorton Unleashed, we have two exclusive

0:22 Speaker 2: world radio premieres for you. You will only hear these

0:26 Speaker 2: on w m n H ninety five point three FM.

0:29 Speaker 2: Up first, from his new album Lid Liquor, This is

0:33 Speaker 2: Aaron Billado with the Passenger.

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1:03 Speaker 3: Until the God been way the passer.

1:08 Speaker 4: I cannot see it. It was inside, beside.

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1:26 Speaker 3: Closer, lovelad.

1:58 Speaker 6: It was.

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2:13 Speaker 3: That's that's.

3:13 Speaker 2: Now. We have another exclusive world radio premiere. You heard

3:17 Speaker 2: it here first on Matt Connorton Unleashed w m n

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3:24 Speaker 2: Anthems available June nineteen. This is called Afterglow.

3:50 Speaker 4: I can't e side when I'm thinking I shot hide.

4:01 Speaker 4: Maybe you try and hid it to. I gotta buy you,

4:09 Speaker 4: just gotta day. I gave his cry Dad. The silence

4:17 Speaker 4: tells me about Bread. I don't hate him, my dad sad,

4:29 Speaker 4: I don't hate him. Don't even try and cause you

4:55 Speaker 4: start over you.

4:58 Speaker 7: Yeah, I can by it.

4:59 Speaker 4: That's excited the deep inside of me. I get a

5:02 Speaker 4: quiet when the signs tell me a ready day. You know,

5:11 Speaker 4: I don't even though gay that excided the l I

5:18 Speaker 4: don't need to.

5:19 Speaker 7: Limn show come up and never shot and never never

5:29 Speaker 7: would show, never never to.

5:52 Speaker 4: I don't need to die that. I don't side.

6:36 Speaker 2: I love that. That is Afterglow by Anthems. They're going

6:40 Speaker 2: to be with us on the show soon. We're going

6:42 Speaker 2: to get them on the show. That is the world

6:44 Speaker 2: radio premiere of that track. You heard it here first

6:48 Speaker 2: courtesy of Matt Connorton Unleashed here on w m n

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6:54 Speaker 2: we heard the brand new track from Aaron Billido, who

6:58 Speaker 2: will be with us live in studio on July eleven.

7:01 Speaker 2: But he just put out his new album Lid Liquor,

7:03 Speaker 2: and that track is called The Passenger, and I love

7:05 Speaker 2: that he actually played that in studio. I think it

7:07 Speaker 2: was the last time that he was here with us

7:08 Speaker 2: on the show, and really great. He's I always love

7:12 Speaker 2: when he comes in. You know, he brings his his

7:14 Speaker 2: whole rig with him, and you know he's a one

7:16 Speaker 2: man show. He just comes in and plays without a band,

7:19 Speaker 2: but puts out a really big sound, and you know,

7:21 Speaker 2: I'm a bass player myself, so I just kind of

7:23 Speaker 2: sit here and like he's he's standing there playing his

7:26 Speaker 2: bass and I'm just kind of, you know, I'm singing too,

7:28 Speaker 2: of course, and I'm just kind of watching him. I'm

7:29 Speaker 2: watching his hands the whole time, because he's an incredible

7:32 Speaker 2: bass player, absolutely incredible. So I really like that a

7:35 Speaker 2: lot too, So two world radio premieres for you. Of course,

7:38 Speaker 2: lid Licker is already out and available the album, but

7:41 Speaker 2: that is the first time that you've heard it anything

7:43 Speaker 2: from that album on the radio, and if we have time,

7:45 Speaker 2: we'll play something else from it later in the show

7:47 Speaker 2: because we're big fans of Aaron here. And of course

7:50 Speaker 2: I love that track from Anthems called Afterglow, really really catchy.

7:53 Speaker 2: So look forward to getting them booked on the show.

7:55 Speaker 2: That is all forthcoming. But welcome again, Matt Connerton unleash.

8:00 Speaker 2: We are live from the studios of WNH ninety five

8:03 Speaker 2: point three FM and Glorious A Manchester, New Hampshire. A

8:06 Speaker 2: little hot, but I like it. I like the heat.

8:09 Speaker 2: If you know me, when it's ninety degrees out, I'm

8:11 Speaker 2: very comfortable with that. I have no problem with that

8:13 Speaker 2: at all. I'd prefer a dry heat, but the humidity,

8:16 Speaker 2: I can handle it, and I'd rather I always say

8:19 Speaker 2: I'd rather be hot than cold. So if it ever

8:21 Speaker 2: begins to feel like it's a little bit too much,

8:24 Speaker 2: like it's becoming oppressive, I just think about winter and

8:27 Speaker 2: how much I hate winter, and then I'm fine with it.

8:32 Speaker 2: So you know, I can adapt. I could probably move

8:35 Speaker 2: to the equator and be just fine. I mean, I

8:37 Speaker 2: am irish. So I would have to wear a tremendous

8:41 Speaker 2: amount of sunscreen. They'd probably is there like a one

8:44 Speaker 2: thousand SPF that's available, you know, so I would have

8:47 Speaker 2: to consider that as well. That might be a problem.

8:50 Speaker 2: But I do like the heat. Summer is my favorite

8:53 Speaker 2: time of year. July is my favorite month. And we're

8:56 Speaker 2: you know, we're already halfway she's almost halfway through June.

9:00 Speaker 2: Not that I want this to go too quickly, you know.

9:02 Speaker 2: I like summer. You know, when you're you're a kid,

9:06 Speaker 2: summer seems like it lasts forever, doesn't it. Like you

9:08 Speaker 2: start summer and it just feels like it's just gonna

9:10 Speaker 2: go on forever, but it doesn't. Then it ends and

9:14 Speaker 2: you have to go back to school, and of course

9:15 Speaker 2: when you get to be a grown up, summer goes

9:17 Speaker 2: way too quickly. So any of you younguns listening to

9:21 Speaker 2: the show, enjoy it, make the most of your summers,

9:25 Speaker 2: because as you get older, they go faster, because it

9:28 Speaker 2: all goes faster. But yes, so of course we are live,

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9:43 Speaker 2: don't forget about our new site. I don't know how

9:45 Speaker 2: long I can call it new. It's been up for

9:48 Speaker 2: what maybe a month and a half, about six weeks now,

9:51 Speaker 2: Matt Connerton Unleashed dot com. It's still new ish, I guess, right,

9:56 Speaker 2: when how long can I call it new? When when

9:58 Speaker 2: do I have to stop referring to it is new?

10:00 Speaker 2: I don't know. Is it a month? Is it? I mean?

10:02 Speaker 2: If it's a month, it's already too late. Is it

10:04 Speaker 2: a year. If it's a year, I got plenty of

10:06 Speaker 2: running room. I can just maybe I'll just call it

10:08 Speaker 2: new forever. It'll always be newer than the other websites

10:12 Speaker 2: I've built until I build a new site that's even

10:14 Speaker 2: newer than the newest, and then the new site becomes

10:17 Speaker 2: the newest because it'll be newer than the one that

10:19 Speaker 2: I referred to as new. You get all that, I've

10:23 Speaker 2: had a lot of caffeine this morning. I was very tired,

10:25 Speaker 2: and now I'm very much awake. I'm excited though, because

10:28 Speaker 2: we have some great guests joining us today on the show,

10:31 Speaker 2: and in just a couple of minutes we're gonna be

10:34 Speaker 2: joined by Mick Michaels from the band Corners of Sanctuary.

10:38 Speaker 2: They're doing kind of a what do they call it?

10:43 Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of you know, it'll remind you

10:45 Speaker 2: of sort of like I don't want to say old

10:47 Speaker 2: school medal because I hate that term. I think they

10:50 Speaker 2: call it or they're considered part of the new wave

10:53 Speaker 2: of traditional American heavy metal, if that makes sense, you know,

10:56 Speaker 2: because some of the bands that try to do what

10:59 Speaker 2: these guys are doing Corners of Sanctuary and they're doing

11:01 Speaker 2: it very well. And you'll hear what I mean in

11:03 Speaker 2: just a moment, is you know, they got to kind

11:06 Speaker 2: of straddle that line between doing something that sounds like

11:10 Speaker 2: something that you might have heard in say the nineteen eighties,

11:13 Speaker 2: but also sounds fresh and sounds competitive with what's out

11:17 Speaker 2: there today. And I feel that this band, Corners of Sanctuary,

11:22 Speaker 2: is accomplishing that. But I'm also very excited. And this

11:25 Speaker 2: is how they showed up on our radar here on

11:27 Speaker 2: Matt Connerton unleashed. Their originals are incredible and you'll hear some,

11:33 Speaker 2: but they also did a cover of a Kiss song,

11:37 Speaker 2: so you know, I'm all all in for that. They

11:39 Speaker 2: actually do a cover of lick It Up, which is

11:41 Speaker 2: one of my favorite Kiss songs. Of course, lick it

11:44 Speaker 2: Up a very significant track in the history of Kiss

11:49 Speaker 2: because it came in a very important and sort of

11:52 Speaker 2: precarious moment for the band. You know, it was their

11:54 Speaker 2: first single of the non makeup era. They had just

11:57 Speaker 2: taken off their makeup. Lick It Up was the first

11:59 Speaker 2: out album to show the band on the cover without makeup,

12:03 Speaker 2: and the title track from Lick It Up was the

12:06 Speaker 2: first single of the non makeup era. And you know, Kiss,

12:09 Speaker 2: they were right on the edge, man, because this could

12:11 Speaker 2: have gone either way. You know, this could have been

12:14 Speaker 2: the final because they'd been they, you know, for ten

12:17 Speaker 2: years they'd been one of the biggest bands in America.

12:19 Speaker 2: People like to say in the late seventies they were

12:21 Speaker 2: the biggest band in America. I don't think that that's

12:24 Speaker 2: necessarily true. I want it to be true because they're

12:26 Speaker 2: my favorite band. I don't think it necessarily is true.

12:29 Speaker 2: But you know, the makeup had kind of worn itself out.

12:36 Speaker 2: And I'm distracted because I see that I see that

12:40 Speaker 2: our friend McMichaels is already on the line. But we're

12:43 Speaker 2: gonna hit this track. I'm gonna play this for you.

12:45 Speaker 2: This is really good, and then we're going to talk

12:47 Speaker 2: with him, of course. From Corners of Sanctuary, Mick from

12:50 Speaker 2: Corners of Sanctuary. Here it is. This is their cover

12:53 Speaker 2: of Lick It Up. I cannot wait to talk to

12:54 Speaker 2: him about this. This is really good. Check it out

12:56 Speaker 2: Corners of Sanctuary, lick it Up.

13:01 Speaker 7: Yeah, don't want fight until you found me finebot time again.

13:22 Speaker 4: Like sweet things and tell me, tell me say.

13:30 Speaker 7: Fay, dont a waste stella, don't wait.

14:24 Speaker 4: To find a very sick, very sent.

14:39 Speaker 7: Sleeps say someday.

14:51 Speaker 4: F Yeah.

16:41 Speaker 2: There it is lick it Up, as covered by Corners

17:07 Speaker 2: of Sanctuary, and let's see. I think we've got Mick

17:09 Speaker 2: from the band.

17:10 Speaker 8: On the line, Mike are you there, hey man, how

17:12 Speaker 8: you doing?

17:12 Speaker 2: Buddy good good, Welcome to the show. I love that,

17:15 Speaker 2: of course it. Kiss is my favorite band, so I

17:17 Speaker 2: was very very pleased to hear you guys doing that song.

17:21 Speaker 2: It's great. I love it.

17:23 Speaker 8: Thank you appreciate that. Yeah, Kiss is one of our

17:26 Speaker 8: favorite bands as well. I mean really kind of like

17:29 Speaker 8: if we had to go back, if we had any

17:30 Speaker 8: opportunity to play with Kiss that even even if they

17:34 Speaker 8: you know, but definitely would be the first in line.

17:37 Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt, I like too. So, you know, just

17:40 Speaker 2: a couple of subtle things about that, about your version

17:44 Speaker 2: of it that non Kiss fans wouldn't even realize necessarily,

17:48 Speaker 2: but you kind of, you know, you augment it in

17:51 Speaker 2: terms of the arrangement because and again non Kiss fans

17:55 Speaker 2: wouldn't know this, but when you see Kiss live or

17:57 Speaker 2: when you did, because obviously they're not touring anymore, although

17:59 Speaker 2: I think they're doing a one off show maybe here

18:01 Speaker 2: or there now. But when they play look It Up

18:04 Speaker 2: live the song, well, geez. By the time they got

18:07 Speaker 2: to the end of their run, the song was like

18:09 Speaker 2: three times longer than the studio version, but even in

18:12 Speaker 2: the eighties they would play a longer version with you know,

18:15 Speaker 2: a couple of extra parts added to it, you know,

18:19 Speaker 2: to make it, to make it it becomes almost epic live,

18:23 Speaker 2: even though it's a very the studio version is a

18:25 Speaker 2: very simple song. But I noticed, you know, you kind

18:27 Speaker 2: of borrow from the way they played it live with

18:30 Speaker 2: a guitar part that's not not in the studio version.

18:35 Speaker 2: I really like that because for a lot of us,

18:37 Speaker 2: that's how we kind of hear it in our heads,

18:39 Speaker 2: because we're so used to hearing the live versions we're in.

18:41 Speaker 8: That the Animalized tour, they started doing that, that extra part,

18:46 Speaker 8: and it struck me from the very first time that

18:49 Speaker 8: I heard it. It was like, wow, that was you know,

18:52 Speaker 8: and I remember trying to figure it out on guitar

18:54 Speaker 8: as a kid, and I was like, wow, this is awesome.

18:56 Speaker 8: And I always played it that way. It was always

18:59 Speaker 8: it was always kind of a cool way, and there

19:01 Speaker 8: was people that just that weren't familiar with seeing them

19:03 Speaker 8: live that had no idea what that part was. But

19:05 Speaker 8: right I had always said if we covered the song,

19:08 Speaker 8: or if I ever covered the song, I wanted to

19:11 Speaker 8: incorporate that because I've never heard anybody else do it,

19:15 Speaker 8: So it was.

19:15 Speaker 2: Just a cool piece that makes sense. That makes sense,

19:18 Speaker 2: by the way. Okay, so did you guys sneak in

19:20 Speaker 2: something else on that that I can't quite identify because

19:24 Speaker 2: coming out of the second chorus before you get to

19:27 Speaker 2: the to the last part, because there's no that song

19:30 Speaker 2: is unusual obviously in the Kiss catalog, and that there's

19:33 Speaker 2: no guitar solo that and Heaven's on Fire of course

19:36 Speaker 2: there's no guitar solo, But I feel there's something else.

19:39 Speaker 2: I mean, you play the riff a little bit differently

19:42 Speaker 2: after the second chorus, But is that is that taken

19:46 Speaker 2: from something? What I'm hearing in there? But there's something

19:48 Speaker 2: familiar about it and I can't place it.

19:51 Speaker 8: Well, No, it's just I think it's just the way

19:53 Speaker 8: that we decided to approach it. I mean, one of

19:55 Speaker 8: the things that my thinking was always an to digress

20:02 Speaker 8: just a little bit. Never been a cover guitar player,

20:05 Speaker 8: I never played covers coming up through the ranks and all.

20:09 Speaker 8: I never got into it to play covers. After COVID

20:12 Speaker 8: we decided as a band, hey why not we have

20:15 Speaker 8: enough of our own original material let's have some fun

20:18 Speaker 8: at this point. Like, it's not like we're trying to

20:20 Speaker 8: rip anybody off. But the idea was is, if you're

20:22 Speaker 8: ever going to do a cover, you got to do

20:24 Speaker 8: it just as good, if not better, or something so

20:29 Speaker 8: different that it makes people want to listen. Otherwise why

20:31 Speaker 8: listen to it, because it would be you know, just

20:33 Speaker 8: go to the original that way. But we just I

20:38 Speaker 8: think it's a lot of accenting. The way our guitar

20:40 Speaker 8: playing is slightly different, but the bridge actually is slightly

20:46 Speaker 8: different than the original. We use a different chord progression.

20:50 Speaker 8: It sounds pretty close, but it's not exactly you know,

20:55 Speaker 8: the Dead on Vinnie Vincent version.

20:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I love what you did with it.

21:00 Speaker 2: It was something about it though, I was like, that

21:01 Speaker 2: sounds like it's from something else, and I wonder if

21:05 Speaker 2: they snuck something in there from something else, but I

21:07 Speaker 2: couldn't place what it was. But no, that makes sense

21:09 Speaker 2: the way the way you describe it. But yeah, I

21:11 Speaker 2: think I think it came out great. And of course,

21:14 Speaker 2: you know, kiss fans will know by the time, you know,

21:16 Speaker 2: by the time they I mean, I don't know if

21:18 Speaker 2: you ever thought about doing this live, it would probably

21:20 Speaker 2: be too much. But you know, they were working in

21:22 Speaker 2: part of Won't Get Fooled Again, and you know, all

21:25 Speaker 2: this all this stuff, the song became like this huge

21:29 Speaker 2: It's such a simple song, but it became this huge

21:31 Speaker 2: production live over the years, over the over the various tours.

21:35 Speaker 2: But do you guys, do you guys have plans to

21:38 Speaker 2: do any other covers because your originals and we're gonna

21:40 Speaker 2: play We're gonna play another single of yours at the

21:42 Speaker 2: end of our conversation, But do you guys plan to

21:45 Speaker 2: do any other covers or or is it mostly originals?

21:49 Speaker 8: Well, we're mostly an original band, but we had, like

21:51 Speaker 8: I said, we've been kind of peppering in some covers

21:53 Speaker 8: over the last few years. We actually when this song released,

21:57 Speaker 8: we also released a version of Rats What You Give

22:02 Speaker 8: Is What You Get. At the same time, what we

22:05 Speaker 8: did was is a couple of years back, we released

22:07 Speaker 8: a like a cover EP like some songs from Judas

22:12 Speaker 8: Priest and def Leppard. We even did an Osmond song

22:18 Speaker 8: Crazy Horses, our version of it, and we did a

22:21 Speaker 8: song from Warrant Inside Out. So we wanted to do

22:27 Speaker 8: a couple more covers, so we actually re released a

22:31 Speaker 8: deluxe version of that EP that included these two. So

22:36 Speaker 8: we only and we do I mean, we do a

22:38 Speaker 8: cover of Paranoid we released a few years ago for Christmas,

22:41 Speaker 8: but in the set, like our live set, we only

22:43 Speaker 8: do two songs, and that's occasional. Depends on where we're at.

22:48 Speaker 8: We either do Paranoid or Break in the Law. But

22:51 Speaker 8: we have been talking about doing some more and that's

22:53 Speaker 8: like I said, it's kind of more of a fun thing. Now.

22:55 Speaker 8: We may do Hair of the Dog from Nazareth. We

22:58 Speaker 8: have a shooped up version of that we fool around

23:03 Speaker 8: with in rehearsal just as a warm up. But we've

23:06 Speaker 8: been saying, hey, maybe maybe we should do something.

23:08 Speaker 2: With it that would be cool. I like your I

23:11 Speaker 2: like your approach to with the covers because a lot

23:13 Speaker 2: of I mean, well, I guess you know, and you'll

23:16 Speaker 2: find this with original bands when original bands do covers,

23:19 Speaker 2: so I suppose it's not unusual. But you know, you

23:22 Speaker 2: were talking about how a lot of bands, and it's

23:23 Speaker 2: this is more for bands that are specifically doing covers,

23:26 Speaker 2: they'll try to be as faithful to the original as possible.

23:29 Speaker 2: And I kind of feel about it, you know, you

23:31 Speaker 2: expressed a thought about that that's very much aligned with

23:35 Speaker 2: how I've always felt about it. I'd rather hear somebody

23:37 Speaker 2: kind of put their own spin on it, because if

23:40 Speaker 2: I wanted to hear something exactly like the original, yeah,

23:42 Speaker 2: I could just listen to the original, you know, I

23:45 Speaker 2: don't need to. I don't I don't need to hear

23:48 Speaker 2: someone playing it note for note exactly what it was already.

23:52 Speaker 2: I kind of like when it when something is sounding

23:55 Speaker 2: a little bit different, you know, I want to hear

23:56 Speaker 2: your interpretation of the song, not necessarily what song already is,

24:01 Speaker 2: because then really kind of what's the point, you know.

24:03 Speaker 2: So I really like your approach to that, And like

24:05 Speaker 2: I said, I love what you did with look it up.

24:08 Speaker 2: And of course, as a kiss fan, I had to

24:09 Speaker 2: geek out over that for a few minutes.

24:10 Speaker 8: But thank you. But you guys are absolutely you got to.

24:14 Speaker 8: I think you do have to put your own spin

24:16 Speaker 8: on it to make it more interesting, I mean without

24:19 Speaker 8: I mean, and I know there's versions of songs that

24:21 Speaker 8: are out there that may be so different than the original,

24:24 Speaker 8: and that's what throws people off because they're stuck on

24:27 Speaker 8: the original. But at the same time, there is something

24:30 Speaker 8: exciting about that because you know, the artists themselves are

24:33 Speaker 8: trying to I mean, they're showing besides the point of

24:37 Speaker 8: like you know, in the industry, you pick a song

24:39 Speaker 8: that's going to help you get an audience, which I

24:43 Speaker 8: understand all that, right, You take a popular song. A

24:45 Speaker 8: lot of times the songs that are covered aren't usually

24:48 Speaker 8: obscure songs. But at the same time, it's the artist

24:54 Speaker 8: that's maybe drawn to those particular songs. Being an indie artist,

24:58 Speaker 8: it's a little easier you have that. You don't have

25:00 Speaker 8: someone breathing down your neck and saying, hey, you have

25:02 Speaker 8: to do this, have to do that, right, And it's

25:04 Speaker 8: a way of expressing yourself through some of your favorite

25:08 Speaker 8: artists music.

25:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh very well, put yeah exactly exactly. Now you

25:14 Speaker 2: guys have been tell me how you feel about this label.

25:17 Speaker 2: You know, because we're always obviously in the music industry,

25:20 Speaker 2: we always have to put things in categories, and some

25:22 Speaker 2: people don't like that, but it does make it a

25:23 Speaker 2: little bit easier to try to figure out, you know,

25:25 Speaker 2: to try to navigate. You know. It's like when I

25:28 Speaker 2: worked in a record store. I remember, you know, there

25:30 Speaker 2: were always people who thought, well, we shouldn't have all

25:32 Speaker 2: these different categories, and it's like, well, it does make

25:34 Speaker 2: it a little bit easier to find what you're looking for.

25:36 Speaker 2: But you guys have been labeled the new wave of

25:38 Speaker 2: traditional American heavy metal. Part of that, How do you

25:41 Speaker 2: feel about that? Is that do you think that that's

25:43 Speaker 2: an accurate description of what Corners of Sanctuary is?

25:48 Speaker 8: I think so. I mean, you know, for for the

25:51 Speaker 8: longest time, at least in my world, it was just

25:54 Speaker 8: heavy metal, and somewhere that changed, like what metals not

26:01 Speaker 8: the metal that that say, I know, and again that

26:04 Speaker 8: could be a generational thing, and things became so specific

26:09 Speaker 8: that you had to kind of find somewhere to be put,

26:14 Speaker 8: especially if they if they're not sure where to put you,

26:16 Speaker 8: because you can get lost, which I think happens anyway

26:19 Speaker 8: now because of the oversaturation of everything that there is.

26:23 Speaker 8: But no, I think it's not it's not bad because

26:25 Speaker 8: I mean, the truth is we're a collection of our influences,

26:29 Speaker 8: which you know is heavily the new wave of British

26:33 Speaker 8: heavy metal as well as you know, American metal at

26:36 Speaker 8: that time, like Kiss, you know, you know, even in

26:41 Speaker 8: the early eighties, you know, with with as as bands

26:45 Speaker 8: like Queen'swike were coming up and and sabotage and stuff

26:49 Speaker 8: like that. There there was a heavy influence, you know,

26:53 Speaker 8: long before things were coined as hair metal. Some of

26:56 Speaker 8: those bands were a little heavier, a little edgier, and

26:59 Speaker 8: then you know, hair metal kind of just like by

27:02 Speaker 8: the late eighties early nineties just kind of became like

27:07 Speaker 8: rock with with bigger hair, tighter pants, and you know,

27:11 Speaker 8: flashier approaches. That's really kind of you know, it went more.

27:16 Speaker 8: It was mainstream metal at that point. That it's probably

27:19 Speaker 8: more of an accurate description of it than hair metal

27:24 Speaker 8: because everybody got linked into hair metal or who you

27:27 Speaker 8: were at that at that point, you know, at that point.

27:30 Speaker 8: So yeah, I think it's I'm okay with it. Listen.

27:33 Speaker 8: We've been compared to over the years and we've never

27:37 Speaker 8: complained about it. We've been compared to anywhere from Judas

27:40 Speaker 8: Priest to Anthrax, Dizzy Top, and you know, though we

27:44 Speaker 8: may not sound like any of them, there may be

27:47 Speaker 8: bits and pieces, but you know, I mean, I definitely

27:49 Speaker 8: know we don't sound like Zzy Top, but I'm not

27:51 Speaker 8: going to complain about it.

27:52 Speaker 2: Right exactly.

27:56 Speaker 8: Exactly people are going to hear what they here and

28:00 Speaker 8: how it resonates to them. So I remember I did

28:03 Speaker 8: an interview a couple of years ago and someone said

28:05 Speaker 8: we sounded like White Snake, and to me, that's awesome.

28:08 Speaker 8: But and they were referring to the more supergroup White Snake,

28:12 Speaker 8: and I was like, wow, that's not necessarily it. But

28:15 Speaker 8: that's okay because that's what they they hear, what works

28:20 Speaker 8: for them, how they put it all together. So someone's

28:24 Speaker 8: one person's heavy is not necessarily someone else's heavy, and

28:27 Speaker 8: vice versa. So to me, like you know old White Snake,

28:30 Speaker 8: like when John Sykes was in the band, to me like,

28:33 Speaker 8: that's because John Sykes was a huge influence on my

28:35 Speaker 8: guitar playing, especially when he was playing with Cozy Powell.

28:39 Speaker 8: There was a lot of like how song structure and

28:43 Speaker 8: rhythm and groove were taught to me. Like I remember

28:47 Speaker 8: when I was when I was a kid, somebody handed

28:50 Speaker 8: me slide it in and said here, study this album.

28:52 Speaker 8: This is where we want you to go. And I'm like, yeah, okay,

28:56 Speaker 8: and believe it or not. Since that, I mean, I

28:58 Speaker 8: was like, I don't know what I was thirteen fourteen.

29:03 Speaker 8: Since then, I've used that same that same cassette or

29:07 Speaker 8: same album. Whatever. When I've worked with other you know, musicians,

29:12 Speaker 8: I go here, take a listen to this, and listen

29:14 Speaker 8: how this is put together. How the drums and the

29:18 Speaker 8: bass work together with that backup rhythm guitar. That's that's

29:21 Speaker 8: what we're looking for, you know, that kind of thing.

29:23 Speaker 8: So it made an impression on me.

29:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, and for people who don't know to slide it

29:27 Speaker 2: in as a great album, you know, it's before because

29:30 Speaker 2: obviously people who only know White Snake casually they know,

29:33 Speaker 2: you know, here I go again and all the they're

29:35 Speaker 2: really big hits from nineteen eighty seven. But the earlier

29:38 Speaker 2: stuff is and I'm not I love all that stuff too,

29:40 Speaker 2: by the way, but the earlier White Snake stuff is

29:42 Speaker 2: really you know, slow and easy is probably my favorite

29:44 Speaker 2: White Snakes. It's just so good, you know. I love

29:48 Speaker 2: the I love the early stuff. But John Syke's absolutely incredible. Now,

29:53 Speaker 2: you guys formed in twenty eleven in Philadelphia, Is that correct?

29:56 Speaker 8: Yes, Okay, we're celebrating fifteen years this year.

30:00 Speaker 2: Gratulations. That's fantastic. That's fantastic. Has the sound of Philadelphia

30:05 Speaker 2: influenced you guys much? I mean I always hear people

30:08 Speaker 2: refer to, you know, the kind of the I mean,

30:11 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I mean, obviously, when people

30:14 Speaker 2: think about Philadelphia and music, they don't necessarily think about

30:17 Speaker 2: heavy metal. They think more about soul music. And you know,

30:19 Speaker 2: I think about Hollowotes because I'm a huge Hollow Oats

30:21 Speaker 2: fan and they're from Philly. But I mean, is there

30:24 Speaker 2: is there anything from that scene that you've taken inspiration from,

30:29 Speaker 2: either at the beginning when you formed the band or

30:31 Speaker 2: over the years, or do you kind of exist are

30:34 Speaker 2: you in it but not of it, or of it

30:35 Speaker 2: but not in it in the in terms of the

30:37 Speaker 2: scene there, however that works.

30:39 Speaker 8: Well, you know what, that's a fantastic question. It's actually

30:42 Speaker 8: all of that. And so you can't say that, you like,

30:47 Speaker 8: everybody from Philly, especially of a certain age, was influenced

30:52 Speaker 8: by the soul and the R and B that that

30:55 Speaker 8: took place here.

30:56 Speaker 2: Yeah.

30:57 Speaker 8: It had its own style, its own sound, everything, and

31:00 Speaker 8: it influenced a lot of that early rock that was

31:04 Speaker 8: happening in the scene in the late seventies in the

31:06 Speaker 8: early eighties. Even though at the time the scene here

31:10 Speaker 8: was a cover scene, but it was a cover scene everywhere.

31:13 Speaker 8: It didn't start breaking until original scene until like eighty

31:16 Speaker 8: three eighty four, But we've had I mean, you know,

31:19 Speaker 8: Cinderella came out of Philadelphia. We had Britney Fox come

31:24 Speaker 8: out of Philadelphia. We had Heaven's Edge, we had Tangier.

31:28 Speaker 8: There was a lot of big bands that were signed

31:31 Speaker 8: that came out. We had Teas or rough House that

31:34 Speaker 8: they had to change their name. So was there an

31:36 Speaker 8: inspiration from that, absolutely, Like I was fortunate enough in

31:40 Speaker 8: the eighties, I was a fan and I also got

31:42 Speaker 8: to play in the scene in the later part of

31:45 Speaker 8: the eighties into the early nineties, So there was a

31:48 Speaker 8: huge influence, you know, because as a kid, Philadelphia was

31:53 Speaker 8: the big time us, Like we didn't think of la

31:57 Speaker 8: you know, nobody in eighty six, nobody was I mean,

31:59 Speaker 8: there was people going out to l A just because

32:01 Speaker 8: there was Hollywood and stuff, but there was something happening

32:05 Speaker 8: here in Philly. So there was a huge influence on

32:09 Speaker 8: all levels. And I think that that stuck with me.

32:12 Speaker 8: So there is definitely that type of thing, you know,

32:15 Speaker 8: like how how the club scene was and every event

32:20 Speaker 8: that happened was like a was a show, like a

32:23 Speaker 8: big like it was an event. It was every show

32:26 Speaker 8: was an event, I should say, like it was like

32:28 Speaker 8: going to you know, the Spectrum or Madison Square Garden.

32:31 Speaker 8: Even if it was just a small club, everybody was

32:33 Speaker 8: dressed up, there was lights, it was it was a spectacle.

32:36 Speaker 8: So a lot of that I think stays with you

32:39 Speaker 8: as you go through the years and you you continue

32:42 Speaker 8: on in this journey in terms of how the scene is.

32:46 Speaker 8: Are we in and out of it? We're kind of

32:47 Speaker 8: I mean, we're part of the scene, but not part

32:49 Speaker 8: of the scene. We don't play Philadelphia as often as

32:54 Speaker 8: I think that we would like to. One the scene's

32:57 Speaker 8: changed so much. Our type of music is so niche

33:02 Speaker 8: that it's sometimes difficult to find not only a venue,

33:07 Speaker 8: but an audience. And nowadays bills are mixed for a

33:12 Speaker 8: lot of independent bands, like You'll have. You could have

33:15 Speaker 8: an alternative and a punk rock type band us and

33:21 Speaker 8: then maybe you know, a thrash or a metal core

33:24 Speaker 8: or something like that, all on the same bill. So

33:27 Speaker 8: your audience, where it was, say in the eighties early nineties,

33:32 Speaker 8: was a combined audience. Now you have more of a

33:35 Speaker 8: diverse audience that may not stick around or come to

33:39 Speaker 8: that particular set. Sure, but you know, most people I

33:45 Speaker 8: think even some of the younger players nowadays probably don't

33:48 Speaker 8: even realize the influences that they have being from the

33:52 Speaker 8: Philly scene, because some of us were influenced by bands,

33:58 Speaker 8: like you know, kind of like any legacy or lineage

34:02 Speaker 8: of anything, it's passed down whether you realize it or not,

34:06 Speaker 8: because it's happening around you, whether you're you're knowledgeable about

34:11 Speaker 8: it or not, because everybody else is doing.

34:12 Speaker 2: It, right, I mean, right, absolutely, Yeah, it's in the

34:16 Speaker 2: dna of this.

34:17 Speaker 8: I mean, kind of like soft pretzels in Philly. I'm

34:19 Speaker 8: sure people today don't know. They they understand that there's

34:23 Speaker 8: a significance, but they don't understand maybe the whole history

34:26 Speaker 8: of right why our soft pretzels are the best in

34:29 Speaker 8: the world.

34:31 Speaker 2: There you go, there you go. Well, speaking of geography,

34:35 Speaker 2: you've had some some success internationally, right because you you've

34:38 Speaker 2: worked with labels I think, if I'm reading this right,

34:41 Speaker 2: in Germany and Mexico, not just in the US.

34:44 Speaker 8: Yes, you know, yeah, we've been, we've been. I mean,

34:47 Speaker 8: the band's been very fortunate. I mean, we're very grateful

34:49 Speaker 8: for everything that's happened for us. Even though we've been

34:54 Speaker 8: with some of the labels. We still consider ourselves an

34:57 Speaker 8: independent band I because at the end of the day,

35:00 Speaker 8: it's you know, it's up to you, the artist or

35:02 Speaker 8: the band h to make these things happen, especially especially

35:06 Speaker 8: in today's market. I mean, things have changed so dramatically

35:11 Speaker 8: in the last five years that it's, uh, you often

35:14 Speaker 8: scratch your head at the end of the day and go, well,

35:16 Speaker 8: did I accomplish anything? You know, it's because there's so

35:20 Speaker 8: much noise out there, right, good and bad, you know,

35:23 Speaker 8: I mean, you know, you're competing with bands all over

35:26 Speaker 8: the world now right where you know, back you know,

35:30 Speaker 8: thirty years ago, forty years ago, I mean, there was

35:32 Speaker 8: a lot of bands, but you were you were just

35:35 Speaker 8: dealing with your local or regional area, right, and there

35:38 Speaker 8: was a you know, there was there was hope, right,

35:40 Speaker 8: there was a way to get some air. But now

35:43 Speaker 8: you're dealing with bands everywhere, right, and the audience has

35:48 Speaker 8: access twenty four to seven, right, and it's it's instantaneous,

35:53 Speaker 8: like you know, I mean, I remember, you know, you

35:55 Speaker 8: had to order something out of a out of the

35:58 Speaker 8: back of a magazine and you had to wait two

35:59 Speaker 8: weeks before you can order. And it's literally before you

36:04 Speaker 8: even finishing off the button. Right, it's already in your

36:08 Speaker 8: mailbox or wherever it's supposed.

36:10 Speaker 2: To be, right exactly. Yeah, it's uh, it's a yeah.

36:14 Speaker 2: We're I think we're fortunate in the sense that, you know,

36:18 Speaker 2: we're we're old enough to remember what it was like

36:20 Speaker 2: pre internet, which helps us to also I mean, you know,

36:24 Speaker 2: there there may be some downsides, but I think the

36:26 Speaker 2: upsides too, I mean, to be honest with you, I mean,

36:28 Speaker 2: I have wonderful memories of when I was a kid

36:30 Speaker 2: going to record stores and you know, finding stuff and

36:33 Speaker 2: you know, seeing, oh, the cover of this looks cool,

36:35 Speaker 2: this looks interesting, and all of that. But I also

36:38 Speaker 2: but the way that we have it now, I would

36:39 Speaker 2: not trade that to go back, you know what I mean,

36:42 Speaker 2: because I love that we live in an era where

36:45 Speaker 2: if you know, if a song pops into my head

36:48 Speaker 2: just you know, and I've always you know, and I

36:50 Speaker 2: think most of us who are musicians have this where

36:52 Speaker 2: there's always something playing in the back of our heads.

36:54 Speaker 2: We always have kind of a soundtrack that we're walking

36:56 Speaker 2: around with, you know, even subconsciously, and you know, something

37:00 Speaker 2: pops into my head and I'm like, oh, you know,

37:01 Speaker 2: i'd really like to hear that. Well, I can. I

37:03 Speaker 2: can hear it, you know, instantly, I can, I can

37:07 Speaker 2: pull it up and I do love it. But you know,

37:10 Speaker 2: people who you know, Gen X is the last generation

37:13 Speaker 2: to grow up without the Internet, but people after us,

37:16 Speaker 2: And I don't know how old you are, but people

37:18 Speaker 2: after obviously you're old enough to remember what it was

37:20 Speaker 2: like before we had had all of this before. You know,

37:24 Speaker 2: people who didn't experience that, they don't know just how

37:27 Speaker 2: good we have it now in terms of access and

37:31 Speaker 2: and I think I think one of the positives too,

37:34 Speaker 2: and I'm curious to get your thoughts on this. I

37:35 Speaker 2: think one of the positives is I think that where

37:39 Speaker 2: I think there's less of a generationalism, which I think

37:45 Speaker 2: is a term I just coined in terms of younger people.

37:50 Speaker 2: I think there was a time when younger people didn't

37:52 Speaker 2: want to listen necessarily to older music because they were

37:56 Speaker 2: so focused on what's current.

37:58 Speaker 9: You know.

37:58 Speaker 2: I remember having this conversation with my mother, like, you know,

38:02 Speaker 2: she wanted me to listen to the Beatles, and I

38:04 Speaker 2: was like, ah, that's old music. I remember saying that

38:06 Speaker 2: to her. I didn't want to listen to the Beatles.

38:07 Speaker 2: I wanted to listen to what I wanted to listen

38:09 Speaker 2: to it. You know, that was popular at the time.

38:11 Speaker 2: But but I think now, because there's such easy access

38:16 Speaker 2: to absolutely everything, it's easier than ever for young people

38:21 Speaker 2: to get access to older music. So so I feel

38:25 Speaker 2: like there's almost this thing where people just generally aren't

38:29 Speaker 2: concerned with what's new and what's old. They just want

38:32 Speaker 2: to listen to whatever they like, and I think so

38:35 Speaker 2: I think the Internet has been helpful with that. And

38:37 Speaker 2: I also think it's been helpful in terms of older

38:39 Speaker 2: people because you know this, a lot of people they

38:43 Speaker 2: only like music up to whenever they graduated high school

38:47 Speaker 2: or college, or for some people, I think the cutoff

38:50 Speaker 2: age might be thirty, and then they don't want to

38:52 Speaker 2: listen to anything after that. They're like, all this, all

38:54 Speaker 2: this new music sucks. I only want to listen to

38:56 Speaker 2: the back when music was good. I only want to

38:59 Speaker 2: listen to that, right how they think. But I think

39:01 Speaker 2: there's a lot less of that now too, because now

39:04 Speaker 2: older people have such easy access to you know, like

39:09 Speaker 2: you like, if someone's complaining, oh, there's no good new music,

39:12 Speaker 2: and you think, well, I know something you might like

39:14 Speaker 2: that's new here, I'll send you this. Click this link.

39:17 Speaker 2: See if you like this, you know what I mean.

39:19 Speaker 2: So I think that it's helped. I think it's I'm

39:21 Speaker 2: going to use that term again because I think it's

39:22 Speaker 2: so cool and I just made it up. I think

39:24 Speaker 2: it's eliminated a lot of the generationalism that exists. And

39:29 Speaker 2: that was a very long winded question, but I'm curious

39:31 Speaker 2: your thoughts now listen.

39:33 Speaker 8: Well, First, I agree, I think the average person, I

39:36 Speaker 8: think they even statistically, they showed that most people kind

39:40 Speaker 8: of solidify their music taste by twenty twenty two somewhere

39:45 Speaker 8: in college. Some people make that change in college, you know,

39:48 Speaker 8: because they're because that's when they exposed to a new

39:52 Speaker 8: life or different people, right, And so that's the thing

39:56 Speaker 8: that they emotionally connect to. And when they get old

40:00 Speaker 8: and they're stressing or they feel like they need whatever,

40:03 Speaker 8: they go to their favorite music. We all do it.

40:05 Speaker 8: I mean I do it. I'm sure you do it,

40:07 Speaker 8: but I do. I do agree that like the Internet

40:10 Speaker 8: and the capabilities of it has opened up, you know,

40:16 Speaker 8: a vast world of connection for all of us, especially

40:20 Speaker 8: I mean, if just specifically speaking for musicians and artists

40:25 Speaker 8: and bands, I mean, you know, I remember trying to

40:28 Speaker 8: send it, you know, cassette tape to Jersey and it

40:31 Speaker 8: would take forever and then you had to wait forever

40:33 Speaker 8: for some mean sometimes three months would go by until

40:35 Speaker 8: you heard something, not sure if it got there, no

40:39 Speaker 8: way to track it, that kind of thing. Now everything's instantaneous,

40:42 Speaker 8: so you can be connecting with people all the time,

40:46 Speaker 8: you know, that's if they're not ghosting you or ignoring

40:48 Speaker 8: you and that type of thing. But so, I think

40:50 Speaker 8: there's a lot of positives there. I think some of

40:53 Speaker 8: the negatives, you know, even though we're not supposed to

40:55 Speaker 8: talk negatives, is that you can easily get lost in

40:58 Speaker 8: the shuffle, and people can they can easily ignore you

41:03 Speaker 8: if they if they had to. Because there's so much

41:05 Speaker 8: stuff going on right we have so many means of

41:09 Speaker 8: communication now that oftentimes people aren't even using them. Like

41:14 Speaker 8: we have email, and a certain demographic doesn't use email anymore. True,

41:18 Speaker 8: only check their email every you know, every other week

41:22 Speaker 8: or something like that. Even businesses I've I've found that,

41:26 Speaker 8: you know, if if they have email, they don't check

41:28 Speaker 8: their email that often, well, then you shouldn't offer it

41:31 Speaker 8: for customer.

41:32 Speaker 2: For your audience or whatever right you got, you got

41:34 Speaker 2: to connect to them with social media because they're not

41:37 Speaker 2: You're right, they're using that not check. You know, maybe

41:39 Speaker 2: they're just using Instagram and they're not checking. They're not

41:41 Speaker 2: even checking their email. I've run into that exact thing. Yes,

41:44 Speaker 2: that is absolutely true.

41:45 Speaker 8: Yeah, which kind of then separates certain demographics that won't

41:50 Speaker 8: use like that, don't use those type of things. They

41:52 Speaker 8: still go traditional like I like being able to pick

41:55 Speaker 8: up the phone and maybe call somebody and say, hey,

41:57 Speaker 8: you know, I have a problem or or you know,

41:59 Speaker 8: let's connect way. I'm still an email user, but I'm

42:03 Speaker 8: also from the generation when email was introduced and it

42:06 Speaker 8: was like, wow, this is amazing type of thing, you know,

42:11 Speaker 8: that type of thing. I mean, I know there's you know,

42:14 Speaker 8: people that, like you said, they will only communicate via

42:16 Speaker 8: social media, and I think that that's I mean, there's

42:20 Speaker 8: limitations in that because you're limiting your audience maybe, But

42:23 Speaker 8: at the same time, if it's working for you and

42:27 Speaker 8: you're seeing results from it, then you're going to stick

42:29 Speaker 8: with it. So you know, like you said, I think

42:32 Speaker 8: it all depends on the situation of the person. But

42:35 Speaker 8: for music, I mean, again, your music's out there. I mean,

42:39 Speaker 8: your music can be heard, you don't know necessarily, like

42:42 Speaker 8: especially with like internet radio and some of the other

42:46 Speaker 8: stations like you know, your terrestrial radio that's expanded to

42:50 Speaker 8: the Internet and stuff like that. And then with of

42:53 Speaker 8: course with podcasts and playlists and stuff, you have the

42:55 Speaker 8: opportunity to get your music out there. You got to

42:58 Speaker 8: do a lot of legwork. Actually if you're not paying

43:01 Speaker 8: for it, because you can there's easy. You know, everything

43:04 Speaker 8: has is a price here nowadays. I think it's always

43:07 Speaker 8: kind of in that way. But in the early days

43:11 Speaker 8: of it's just giving an example, like you know, fifteen

43:14 Speaker 8: years ago when this band started, there was there was

43:17 Speaker 8: some price tiers, but they were far and few between.

43:21 Speaker 8: Most people were kind of you know, doing it more

43:25 Speaker 8: as because they were fans themselves. They were trying to

43:27 Speaker 8: promote the music, you know, something like that. Now because

43:30 Speaker 8: the audience has grown of like, because everything now is

43:34 Speaker 8: basically online, isn't it. Like I mean, you can't do

43:37 Speaker 8: i mean even just shopping at some of your favorite

43:41 Speaker 8: you know, larger box stores. There's things that they don't

43:44 Speaker 8: even carry in stores only online.

43:46 Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, Walmart does that.

43:48 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, Walmart does it, Depot does it, things like that.

43:51 Speaker 8: So it's almost like their shelves are empty, but online

43:54 Speaker 8: because now they're they're doing, you know, the same thing.

43:57 Speaker 8: They have resellers and sellers from all over different points,

44:02 Speaker 8: so exactly, I think that that's sometimes, you know, so

44:05 Speaker 8: now everything is that you know, somebody actually just told me.

44:09 Speaker 8: I was just talking to somebody last night and I said, hey,

44:11 Speaker 8: you know, you're doing really well, and he goes, yeah,

44:14 Speaker 8: I could probably do even better if I just decide

44:16 Speaker 8: to pay for this next thing. And I'm like, well, yeah,

44:18 Speaker 8: I guess you're right, because that's where everything is right now,

44:21 Speaker 8: and they're just trying to figure it out. So for bands,

44:25 Speaker 8: you just kind of kind of navigate the good and

44:28 Speaker 8: the bad the best that you can. But I think

44:30 Speaker 8: sticking to your guns, being true to what you do

44:33 Speaker 8: and you know, and listen, you gotta have some kind

44:36 Speaker 8: of fun with it. Hence why we decided to do

44:38 Speaker 8: covers after all these years, just hey, let's have some

44:41 Speaker 8: fun with it. What's what's We're not hurting anybody, actually,

44:45 Speaker 8: I mean we're if anything, we're actually helping the bands,

44:48 Speaker 8: not that they they not that it's a big deal,

44:50 Speaker 8: but like we popularized more of the band that we're covering,

44:55 Speaker 8: then we're actually doing ourselves right in a way, because

45:00 Speaker 8: the reality of it is is most of us don't

45:02 Speaker 8: even we can't even get streaming royalties from cover songs,

45:06 Speaker 8: because that's true, just outrageous because of the way the

45:09 Speaker 8: publishing is set up. So we're doing it more for

45:11 Speaker 8: the love of what we do.

45:13 Speaker 2: But sometimes it can help you really break through too,

45:15 Speaker 2: Like I Prevail. I don't know if you're a fan

45:17 Speaker 2: of them, but they they first broke because they did

45:22 Speaker 2: the cover. They did a cover of blank Space by

45:24 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift and that blew up online, that went viral

45:27 Speaker 2: and next thing, you know, these guys are, you know,

45:30 Speaker 2: having a lot of success with their own music and

45:32 Speaker 2: and uh you know they're they're a big band and

45:36 Speaker 2: you guys actually too, Is this is this true Crazy Horses?

45:39 Speaker 2: Because you mentioned you covered Crazy Horses by the Osmonds

45:41 Speaker 2: that that charted on the World Indie charts? Is that right?

45:45 Speaker 8: It did? It did? We were kind of excited about that. Yeah,

45:49 Speaker 8: you know, you know it's it's it's bittersweet all at

45:52 Speaker 8: the same time, like, you know, our first real chart, well,

45:55 Speaker 8: I shouldn't say that our first charting song was actually

45:58 Speaker 8: one of our holiday songs, because you know how they

46:02 Speaker 8: when we do one every year or a couple of

46:04 Speaker 8: them every year, depending on the year. We love Christmas music.

46:09 Speaker 8: It's it's really there are most of them are original,

46:12 Speaker 8: So that was kind of cool. But at the same time,

46:15 Speaker 8: holiday music is kind of universal, you know what I'm saying,

46:18 Speaker 8: Like more you'd probably have more people liking in general

46:22 Speaker 8: holiday music than you would say new wave of traditional

46:25 Speaker 8: American heavy metal so to speak. You know that the numbers,

46:29 Speaker 8: you know, get lower, and our demographic is starting to

46:32 Speaker 8: age out, like they're just disappearing, unfortunately. But anyway, yeah,

46:37 Speaker 8: that that that charted, and like I said, it was

46:39 Speaker 8: bittersweet because we were excited about it, but at the

46:41 Speaker 8: same time, it would be cool if it was our

46:44 Speaker 8: own music. But at the same time, we kind of

46:46 Speaker 8: made it our own, you know. We our sound is

46:49 Speaker 8: in there. We do this gallup thing, which is part

46:52 Speaker 8: of like a lot of what we do. It's in there,

46:54 Speaker 8: and we were excited about it. And the Ozma's are

46:57 Speaker 8: a great group and I realized people today may not

47:01 Speaker 8: realize how big the Osmonds were back in the seventies. Yeah,

47:04 Speaker 8: but they were just unbelievably huge and they were on

47:09 Speaker 8: sprecially during that time of their music. They were on

47:12 Speaker 8: track to really start becoming a hard rock band, but

47:15 Speaker 8: unfortunately that didn't pan out.

47:17 Speaker 2: For Yeah, that song crazy Horses. I wasn't even aware

47:20 Speaker 2: of that song until a few years ago. But I

47:22 Speaker 2: used to do there's another show here that's on another

47:26 Speaker 2: day here at the station that I used to be

47:27 Speaker 2: a co host on, and that's how that song was

47:29 Speaker 2: introduced to me. And I had never heard it before,

47:32 Speaker 2: and I didn't know it was the Osmonds until after

47:36 Speaker 2: the song and I was like, what is that? That's

47:38 Speaker 2: so it's weird, but I like it. It's an odd song,

47:41 Speaker 2: but I really like it, and I was like, oh,

47:43 Speaker 2: that's the Osmonds. Ill. But I guess by that point too,

47:46 Speaker 2: you know, they had so much success because as you mentioned, yeah,

47:48 Speaker 2: they were very, very big. They had had so much

47:51 Speaker 2: success that they could kind of take some chances, and

47:53 Speaker 2: I think they they really kind of took a chance

47:55 Speaker 2: with that song because it's such an oddity, but it's

47:58 Speaker 2: a cool song and the way you guys do it

48:00 Speaker 2: works really well. I did listen to that and I

48:02 Speaker 2: liked it a lot. Absolutely. I also want to ask

48:05 Speaker 2: you about because we're gonna let you go soon that

48:08 Speaker 2: the time goes quickly, but I want to ask you

48:10 Speaker 2: about this single never count Me Out, because we're gonna

48:12 Speaker 2: play this at the end of our conversation. And it's

48:14 Speaker 2: from the new EP, Forever Metal. And is that out yet?

48:18 Speaker 2: Is the EP already out or is it coming out

48:20 Speaker 2: or what's the status?

48:21 Speaker 8: Yeah, yes, the EP's out. It's it's only available in CD. Okay,

48:26 Speaker 8: the single is available digitally, But yeah, we're kind of

48:31 Speaker 8: excited about it. It's kind of it's part of our

48:33 Speaker 8: you know, our our fifteen year anniversary that you know,

48:37 Speaker 8: we're just kind of restating our mission so to speak. Yeah,

48:40 Speaker 8: and the song is kind of in the same vein

48:44 Speaker 8: like you know, like you know, every everybody has their

48:46 Speaker 8: ups and downs, you know, bands constantly, and in this market,

48:52 Speaker 8: I mean, if you're going for more than two weeks

48:55 Speaker 8: like that, you know, if you're not, if there's no

48:57 Speaker 8: noise being being done, please forget about you. But yeah,

49:01 Speaker 8: this song is just again part of you know, our

49:04 Speaker 8: our restatement of our mission that you know, don't count

49:07 Speaker 8: us out yet because we're forever mental that type of idea.

49:11 Speaker 4: I love it.

49:11 Speaker 2: I love it very cool. I love the empowerment of that.

49:15 Speaker 2: Everything it's all, it's all good and it's it's very positive.

49:17 Speaker 2: So well, congratulations again on the fifteen year anniversary of

49:21 Speaker 2: the band. That's amazing of course, Corners of Sanctuary from

49:24 Speaker 2: Philadelphia and Mick, this has been wonderful. Thank you so

49:27 Speaker 2: much for joining us this morning. And before I let

49:30 Speaker 2: you go and we're going to hit that track, but

49:31 Speaker 2: before I let you go, one more thing. Where's the

49:33 Speaker 2: best place for people to go online to keep up

49:35 Speaker 2: with everything? And we did talk about that a lot

49:37 Speaker 2: online to keep up with everything that the band is doing.

49:40 Speaker 2: Corners of Sanctuary, you could just go to our.

49:43 Speaker 8: Official website Cornersosanctuary dot com and we have a ton

49:47 Speaker 8: of stuff there, our shows and we have some music.

49:50 Speaker 8: I think there's I think there's some free music downloaded

49:53 Speaker 8: as well. You know, it just keeps you and you

49:55 Speaker 8: can get to all our socials from there as well.

49:57 Speaker 2: Outstanding, perfect, Yeah, I was looking at the site early,

50:00 Speaker 2: so very good. All right, Mick Michaels, thank you so much.

50:02 Speaker 2: We will definitely do this again in the future because

50:04 Speaker 2: obviously you guys are doing a lot of stuff, releasing

50:07 Speaker 2: a lot of new new music, so you know we'll

50:09 Speaker 2: have plenty of excuses to have you back on. But

50:11 Speaker 2: really enjoyed talking with you today, So thanks man, and

50:14 Speaker 2: you sir.

50:14 Speaker 8: I appreciate it.

50:15 Speaker 2: Thank you, and again I love the kiss cover. I

50:17 Speaker 2: just got to get that in one more time.

50:18 Speaker 8: That is so good, awesome, awesome, thank you.

50:20 Speaker 2: All right, Mick, thank you, take care you too. Bye

50:23 Speaker 2: bye bye. All right. That is Mick Michaels from the

50:27 Speaker 2: band Corners of Sanctuary, and we're gonna end the segment

50:30 Speaker 2: with this, but if you are listening live on Saturday,

50:34 Speaker 2: stick around. We got plenty more to come, but right

50:36 Speaker 2: now here it is. This is called never count Me Out.

50:39 Speaker 2: I love this song Bye Corners of Sanctuary, and.

51:08 Speaker 7: I do that mo like a slight and a place

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51:18 Speaker 7: has no song.

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51:38 Speaker 4: Never never out me o.

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51:52 Speaker 6: White.

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51:57 Speaker 6: I haven't Brad.

52:02 Speaker 4: So styl.

52:13 Speaker 7: Do stunt reverer moll up bread We all all the assistant.

52:19 Speaker 4: You know, feel like you wanted not say. We all

52:23 Speaker 4: were so, we all feel okay, we all wanter go

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