Matt Connarton Unleashed 6-13-26 hour 1

0:03 Speaker 1: You are listening to Matt Connorton Unleashed on wm and H ninety five point three.

0:18 Speaker 2: This week on Matt Connorton Unleashed, we have two exclusive world radio premieres for you. You will only hear these on w m n H ninety five point three FM. Up first, from his new album Lid Liquor, This is Aaron Billado with the Passenger.

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3:13 Speaker 2: Now. We have another exclusive world radio premiere. You heard it here first on Matt Connorton Unleashed w m n H ninety five point three FM. The new single from Anthems available June nineteen. This is called Afterglow.

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6:36 Speaker 2: I love that. That is Afterglow by Anthems. They're going to be with us on the show soon. We're going to get them on the show. That is the world radio premiere of that track. You heard it here first courtesy of Matt Connorton Unleashed here on w m n H ninety five point three FM. And of course before that, we heard the brand new track from Aaron Billido, who will be with us live in studio on July eleven. But he just put out his new album Lid Liquor, and that track is called The Passenger, and I love that he actually played that in studio.

7:07 Speaker 2: I think it was the last time that he was here with us on the show, and really great. He's I always love when he comes in. You know, he brings his his whole rig with him, and you know he's a one man show. He just comes in and plays without a band, but puts out a really big sound, and you know, I'm a bass player myself, so I just kind of sit here and like he's he's standing there playing his bass and I'm just kind of, you know, I'm singing too, of course, and I'm just kind of watching him. I'm watching his hands the whole time, because he's an incredible bass player, absolutely incredible.

7:34 Speaker 2: So I really like that a lot too, So two world radio premieres for you. Of course, lid Licker is already out and available the album, but that is the first time that you've heard it anything from that album on the radio, and if we have time, we'll play something else from it later in the show because we're big fans of Aaron here. And of course I love that track from Anthems called Afterglow, really really catchy. So look forward to getting them booked on the show. That is all forthcoming. But welcome again, Matt Connerton unleash.

8:00 Speaker 2: We are live from the studios of WNH ninety five point three FM and Glorious A Manchester, New Hampshire. A little hot, but I like it. I like the heat. If you know me, when it's ninety degrees out, I'm very comfortable with that. I have no problem with that at all. I'd prefer a dry heat, but the humidity, I can handle it, and I'd rather I always say I'd rather be hot than cold. So if it ever begins to feel like it's a little bit too much, like it's becoming oppressive, I just think about winter and how much I hate winter, and then I'm fine with it.

8:32 Speaker 2: So you know, I can adapt. I could probably move to the equator and be just fine. I mean, I am irish. So I would have to wear a tremendous amount of sunscreen. They'd probably is there like a one thousand SPF that's available, you know, so I would have to consider that as well. That might be a problem. But I do like the heat. Summer is my favorite time of year. July is my favorite month. And we're you know, we're already halfway she's almost halfway through June. Not that I want this to go too quickly, you know.

9:02 Speaker 2: I like summer. You know, when you're you're a kid, summer seems like it lasts forever, doesn't it. Like you start summer and it just feels like it's just gonna go on forever, but it doesn't. Then it ends and you have to go back to school, and of course when you get to be a grown up, summer goes way too quickly. So any of you younguns listening to the show, enjoy it, make the most of your summers, because as you get older, they go faster, because it all goes faster. But yes, so of course we are live, of course from wmn H, and you can stream the show online from anywhere.

9:35 Speaker 2: Go to Matt connorton dot com slash live for all of your live streaming options, social media links, contact infosho archives, et cetera, et cetera. And don't forget about our new site. I don't know how long I can call it new. It's been up for what maybe a month and a half, about six weeks now, Matt Connerton Unleashed dot com. It's still new ish, I guess, right, when how long can I call it new? When when do I have to stop referring to it is new? I don't know. Is it a month? Is it? I mean? If it's a month, it's already too late.

10:04 Speaker 2: Is it a year. If it's a year, I got plenty of running room. I can just maybe I'll just call it new forever. It'll always be newer than the other websites I've built until I build a new site that's even newer than the newest, and then the new site becomes the newest because it'll be newer than the one that I referred to as new. You get all that, I've had a lot of caffeine this morning. I was very tired, and now I'm very much awake. I'm excited though, because we have some great guests joining us today on the show, and in just a couple of minutes we're gonna be joined by Mick Michaels from the band Corners of Sanctuary.

10:38 Speaker 2: They're doing kind of a what do they call it? You know, it's kind of you know, it'll remind you of sort of like I don't want to say old school medal because I hate that term. I think they call it or they're considered part of the new wave of traditional American heavy metal, if that makes sense, you know, because some of the bands that try to do what these guys are doing Corners of Sanctuary and they're doing it very well. And you'll hear what I mean in just a moment, is you know, they got to kind of straddle that line between doing something that sounds like something that you might have heard in say the nineteen eighties, but also sounds fresh and sounds competitive with what's out there today.

11:18 Speaker 2: And I feel that this band, Corners of Sanctuary, is accomplishing that. But I'm also very excited. And this is how they showed up on our radar here on Matt Connerton unleashed. Their originals are incredible and you'll hear some, but they also did a cover of a Kiss song, so you know, I'm all all in for that. They actually do a cover of lick It Up, which is one of my favorite Kiss songs. Of course, lick it Up a very significant track in the history of Kiss because it came in a very important and sort of precarious moment for the band.

11:53 Speaker 2: You know, it was their first single of the non makeup era. They had just taken off their makeup. Lick It Up was the first out album to show the band on the cover without makeup, and the title track from Lick It Up was the first single of the non makeup era. And you know, Kiss, they were right on the edge, man, because this could have gone either way. You know, this could have been the final because they'd been they, you know, for ten years they'd been one of the biggest bands in America. People like to say in the late seventies they were the biggest band in America.

12:22 Speaker 2: I don't think that that's necessarily true. I want it to be true because they're my favorite band. I don't think it necessarily is true. But you know, the makeup had kind of worn itself out. And I'm distracted because I see that I see that our friend McMichaels is already on the line. But we're gonna hit this track. I'm gonna play this for you. This is really good, and then we're going to talk with him, of course. From Corners of Sanctuary, Mick from Corners of Sanctuary. Here it is. This is their cover of Lick It Up.

12:53 Speaker 2: I cannot wait to talk to him about this. This is really good. Check it out Corners of Sanctuary, lick it Up.

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13:22 Speaker 4: Like sweet things and tell me, tell me say.

13:30 Speaker 7: Fay, dont a waste stella, don't wait.

14:24 Speaker 4: To find a very sick, very sent.

14:39 Speaker 7: Sleeps say someday.

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16:41 Speaker 2: There it is lick it Up, as covered by Corners of Sanctuary, and let's see. I think we've got Mick from the band.

17:10 Speaker 8: On the line, Mike are you there, hey man, how you doing?

17:12 Speaker 2: Buddy good good, Welcome to the show. I love that, of course it. Kiss is my favorite band, so I was very very pleased to hear you guys doing that song. It's great. I love it.

17:23 Speaker 8: Thank you appreciate that. Yeah, Kiss is one of our favorite bands as well. I mean really kind of like if we had to go back, if we had any opportunity to play with Kiss that even even if they you know, but definitely would be the first in line.

17:37 Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt, I like too. So, you know, just a couple of subtle things about that, about your version of it that non Kiss fans wouldn't even realize necessarily, but you kind of, you know, you augment it in terms of the arrangement because and again non Kiss fans wouldn't know this, but when you see Kiss live or when you did, because obviously they're not touring anymore, although I think they're doing a one off show maybe here or there now. But when they play look It Up live the song, well, geez.

18:06 Speaker 2: By the time they got to the end of their run, the song was like three times longer than the studio version, but even in the eighties they would play a longer version with you know, a couple of extra parts added to it, you know, to make it, to make it it becomes almost epic live, even though it's a very the studio version is a very simple song. But I noticed, you know, you kind of borrow from the way they played it live with a guitar part that's not not in the studio version. I really like that because for a lot of us, that's how we kind of hear it in our heads, because we're so used to hearing the live versions we're in.

18:41 Speaker 8: That the Animalized tour, they started doing that, that extra part, and it struck me from the very first time that I heard it. It was like, wow, that was you know, and I remember trying to figure it out on guitar as a kid, and I was like, wow, this is awesome. And I always played it that way. It was always it was always kind of a cool way, and there was people that just that weren't familiar with seeing them live that had no idea what that part was. But right I had always said if we covered the song, or if I ever covered the song, I wanted to incorporate that because I've never heard anybody else do it, So it was.

19:15 Speaker 2: Just a cool piece that makes sense. That makes sense, by the way. Okay, so did you guys sneak in something else on that that I can't quite identify because coming out of the second chorus before you get to the to the last part, because there's no that song is unusual obviously in the Kiss catalog, and that there's no guitar solo that and Heaven's on Fire of course there's no guitar solo, But I feel there's something else. I mean, you play the riff a little bit differently after the second chorus, But is that is that taken from something?

19:46 Speaker 2: What I'm hearing in there? But there's something familiar about it and I can't place it.

19:51 Speaker 8: Well, No, it's just I think it's just the way that we decided to approach it. I mean, one of the things that my thinking was always an to digress just a little bit. Never been a cover guitar player, I never played covers coming up through the ranks and all. I never got into it to play covers. After COVID we decided as a band, hey why not we have enough of our own original material let's have some fun at this point. Like, it's not like we're trying to rip anybody off. But the idea was is, if you're ever going to do a cover, you got to do it just as good, if not better, or something so different that it makes people want to listen.

20:31 Speaker 8: Otherwise why listen to it, because it would be you know, just go to the original that way. But we just I think it's a lot of accenting. The way our guitar playing is slightly different, but the bridge actually is slightly different than the original. We use a different chord progression. It sounds pretty close, but it's not exactly you know, the Dead on Vinnie Vincent version.

20:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I love what you did with it. It was something about it though, I was like, that sounds like it's from something else, and I wonder if they snuck something in there from something else, but I couldn't place what it was. But no, that makes sense the way the way you describe it. But yeah, I think I think it came out great. And of course, you know, kiss fans will know by the time, you know, by the time they I mean, I don't know if you ever thought about doing this live, it would probably be too much.

21:21 Speaker 2: But you know, they were working in part of Won't Get Fooled Again, and you know, all this all this stuff, the song became like this huge It's such a simple song, but it became this huge production live over the years, over the over the various tours. But do you guys, do you guys have plans to do any other covers because your originals and we're gonna play We're gonna play another single of yours at the end of our conversation, But do you guys plan to do any other covers or or is it mostly originals?

21:49 Speaker 8: Well, we're mostly an original band, but we had, like I said, we've been kind of peppering in some covers over the last few years. We actually when this song released, we also released a version of Rats What You Give Is What You Get. At the same time, what we did was is a couple of years back, we released a like a cover EP like some songs from Judas Priest and def Leppard. We even did an Osmond song Crazy Horses, our version of it, and we did a song from Warrant Inside Out. So we wanted to do a couple more covers, so we actually re released a deluxe version of that EP that included these two.

22:35 Speaker 8: So we only and we do I mean, we do a cover of Paranoid we released a few years ago for Christmas, but in the set, like our live set, we only do two songs, and that's occasional. Depends on where we're at. We either do Paranoid or Break in the Law. But we have been talking about doing some more and that's like I said, it's kind of more of a fun thing. Now. We may do Hair of the Dog from Nazareth. We have a shooped up version of that we fool around with in rehearsal just as a warm up. But we've been saying, hey, maybe maybe we should do something.

23:08 Speaker 2: With it that would be cool. I like your I like your approach to with the covers because a lot of I mean, well, I guess you know, and you'll find this with original bands when original bands do covers, so I suppose it's not unusual. But you know, you were talking about how a lot of bands, and it's this is more for bands that are specifically doing covers, they'll try to be as faithful to the original as possible. And I kind of feel about it, you know, you expressed a thought about that that's very much aligned with how I've always felt about it.

23:36 Speaker 2: I'd rather hear somebody kind of put their own spin on it, because if I wanted to hear something exactly like the original, yeah, I could just listen to the original, you know, I don't need to. I don't I don't need to hear someone playing it note for note exactly what it was already. I kind of like when it when something is sounding a little bit different, you know, I want to hear your interpretation of the song, not necessarily what song already is, because then really kind of what's the point, you know.

24:03 Speaker 2: So I really like your approach to that, And like I said, I love what you did with look it up. And of course, as a kiss fan, I had to geek out over that for a few minutes.

24:10 Speaker 8: But thank you. But you guys are absolutely you got to. I think you do have to put your own spin on it to make it more interesting, I mean without I mean, and I know there's versions of songs that are out there that may be so different than the original, and that's what throws people off because they're stuck on the original. But at the same time, there is something exciting about that because you know, the artists themselves are trying to I mean, they're showing besides the point of like you know, in the industry, you pick a song that's going to help you get an audience, which I understand all that, right, You take a popular song.

24:45 Speaker 8: A lot of times the songs that are covered aren't usually obscure songs. But at the same time, it's the artist that's maybe drawn to those particular songs. Being an indie artist, it's a little easier you have that. You don't have someone breathing down your neck and saying, hey, you have to do this, have to do that, right, And it's a way of expressing yourself through some of your favorite artists music.

25:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh very well, put yeah exactly exactly. Now you guys have been tell me how you feel about this label. You know, because we're always obviously in the music industry, we always have to put things in categories, and some people don't like that, but it does make it a little bit easier to try to figure out, you know, to try to navigate. You know. It's like when I worked in a record store. I remember, you know, there were always people who thought, well, we shouldn't have all these different categories, and it's like, well, it does make it a little bit easier to find what you're looking for.

25:36 Speaker 2: But you guys have been labeled the new wave of traditional American heavy metal. Part of that, How do you feel about that? Is that do you think that that's an accurate description of what Corners of Sanctuary is?

25:48 Speaker 8: I think so. I mean, you know, for for the longest time, at least in my world, it was just heavy metal, and somewhere that changed, like what metals not the metal that that say, I know, and again that could be a generational thing, and things became so specific that you had to kind of find somewhere to be put, especially if they if they're not sure where to put you, because you can get lost, which I think happens anyway now because of the oversaturation of everything that there is. But no, I think it's not it's not bad because I mean, the truth is we're a collection of our influences, which you know is heavily the new wave of British heavy metal as well as you know, American metal at that time, like Kiss, you know, you know, even in the early eighties, you know, with with as as bands like Queen'swike were coming up and and sabotage and stuff like that.

26:50 Speaker 8: There there was a heavy influence, you know, long before things were coined as hair metal. Some of those bands were a little heavier, a little edgier, and then you know, hair metal kind of just like by the late eighties early nineties just kind of became like rock with with bigger hair, tighter pants, and you know, flashier approaches. That's really kind of you know, it went more. It was mainstream metal at that point. That it's probably more of an accurate description of it than hair metal because everybody got linked into hair metal or who you were at that at that point, you know, at that point.

27:30 Speaker 8: So yeah, I think it's I'm okay with it. Listen. We've been compared to over the years and we've never complained about it. We've been compared to anywhere from Judas Priest to Anthrax, Dizzy Top, and you know, though we may not sound like any of them, there may be bits and pieces, but you know, I mean, I definitely know we don't sound like Zzy Top, but I'm not going to complain about it.

27:52 Speaker 2: Right exactly.

27:56 Speaker 8: Exactly people are going to hear what they here and how it resonates to them. So I remember I did an interview a couple of years ago and someone said we sounded like White Snake, and to me, that's awesome. But and they were referring to the more supergroup White Snake, and I was like, wow, that's not necessarily it. But that's okay because that's what they they hear, what works for them, how they put it all together. So someone's one person's heavy is not necessarily someone else's heavy, and vice versa.

28:28 Speaker 8: So to me, like you know old White Snake, like when John Sykes was in the band, to me like, that's because John Sykes was a huge influence on my guitar playing, especially when he was playing with Cozy Powell. There was a lot of like how song structure and rhythm and groove were taught to me. Like I remember when I was when I was a kid, somebody handed me slide it in and said here, study this album. This is where we want you to go. And I'm like, yeah, okay, and believe it or not. Since that, I mean, I was like, I don't know what I was thirteen fourteen.

29:03 Speaker 8: Since then, I've used that same that same cassette or same album. Whatever. When I've worked with other you know, musicians, I go here, take a listen to this, and listen how this is put together. How the drums and the bass work together with that backup rhythm guitar. That's that's what we're looking for, you know, that kind of thing. So it made an impression on me.

29:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, and for people who don't know to slide it in as a great album, you know, it's before because obviously people who only know White Snake casually they know, you know, here I go again and all the they're really big hits from nineteen eighty seven. But the earlier stuff is and I'm not I love all that stuff too, by the way, but the earlier White Snake stuff is really you know, slow and easy is probably my favorite White Snakes. It's just so good, you know. I love the I love the early stuff. But John Syke's absolutely incredible.

29:52 Speaker 2: Now, you guys formed in twenty eleven in Philadelphia, Is that correct?

29:56 Speaker 8: Yes, Okay, we're celebrating fifteen years this year.

30:00 Speaker 2: Gratulations. That's fantastic. That's fantastic. Has the sound of Philadelphia influenced you guys much? I mean I always hear people refer to, you know, the kind of the I mean, I mean, I don't know. I mean, obviously, when people think about Philadelphia and music, they don't necessarily think about heavy metal. They think more about soul music. And you know, I think about Hollowotes because I'm a huge Hollow Oats fan and they're from Philly. But I mean, is there is there anything from that scene that you've taken inspiration from, either at the beginning when you formed the band or over the years, or do you kind of exist are you in it but not of it, or of it but not in it in the in terms of the scene there, however that works.

30:39 Speaker 8: Well, you know what, that's a fantastic question. It's actually all of that. And so you can't say that, you like, everybody from Philly, especially of a certain age, was influenced by the soul and the R and B that that took place here.

30:56 Speaker 2: Yeah.

30:57 Speaker 8: It had its own style, its own sound, everything, and it influenced a lot of that early rock that was happening in the scene in the late seventies in the early eighties. Even though at the time the scene here was a cover scene, but it was a cover scene everywhere. It didn't start breaking until original scene until like eighty three eighty four, But we've had I mean, you know, Cinderella came out of Philadelphia. We had Britney Fox come out of Philadelphia. We had Heaven's Edge, we had Tangier. There was a lot of big bands that were signed that came out.

31:32 Speaker 8: We had Teas or rough House that they had to change their name. So was there an inspiration from that, absolutely, Like I was fortunate enough in the eighties, I was a fan and I also got to play in the scene in the later part of the eighties into the early nineties, So there was a huge influence, you know, because as a kid, Philadelphia was the big time us, Like we didn't think of la you know, nobody in eighty six, nobody was I mean, there was people going out to l A just because there was Hollywood and stuff, but there was something happening here in Philly.

32:06 Speaker 8: So there was a huge influence on all levels. And I think that that stuck with me. So there is definitely that type of thing, you know, like how how the club scene was and every event that happened was like a was a show, like a big like it was an event. It was every show was an event, I should say, like it was like going to you know, the Spectrum or Madison Square Garden. Even if it was just a small club, everybody was dressed up, there was lights, it was it was a spectacle. So a lot of that I think stays with you as you go through the years and you you continue on in this journey in terms of how the scene is.

32:46 Speaker 8: Are we in and out of it? We're kind of I mean, we're part of the scene, but not part of the scene. We don't play Philadelphia as often as I think that we would like to. One the scene's changed so much. Our type of music is so niche that it's sometimes difficult to find not only a venue, but an audience. And nowadays bills are mixed for a lot of independent bands, like You'll have. You could have an alternative and a punk rock type band us and then maybe you know, a thrash or a metal core or something like that, all on the same bill.

33:27 Speaker 8: So your audience, where it was, say in the eighties early nineties, was a combined audience. Now you have more of a diverse audience that may not stick around or come to that particular set. Sure, but you know, most people I think even some of the younger players nowadays probably don't even realize the influences that they have being from the Philly scene, because some of us were influenced by bands, like you know, kind of like any legacy or lineage of anything, it's passed down whether you realize it or not, because it's happening around you, whether you're you're knowledgeable about it or not, because everybody else is doing.

34:12 Speaker 2: It, right, I mean, right, absolutely, Yeah, it's in the dna of this.

34:17 Speaker 8: I mean, kind of like soft pretzels in Philly. I'm sure people today don't know. They they understand that there's a significance, but they don't understand maybe the whole history of right why our soft pretzels are the best in the world.

34:31 Speaker 2: There you go, there you go. Well, speaking of geography, you've had some some success internationally, right because you you've worked with labels I think, if I'm reading this right, in Germany and Mexico, not just in the US.

34:44 Speaker 8: Yes, you know, yeah, we've been, we've been. I mean, the band's been very fortunate. I mean, we're very grateful for everything that's happened for us. Even though we've been with some of the labels. We still consider ourselves an independent band I because at the end of the day, it's you know, it's up to you, the artist or the band h to make these things happen, especially especially in today's market. I mean, things have changed so dramatically in the last five years that it's, uh, you often scratch your head at the end of the day and go, well, did I accomplish anything?

35:18 Speaker 8: You know, it's because there's so much noise out there, right, good and bad, you know, I mean, you know, you're competing with bands all over the world now right where you know, back you know, thirty years ago, forty years ago, I mean, there was a lot of bands, but you were you were just dealing with your local or regional area, right, and there was a you know, there was there was hope, right, there was a way to get some air. But now you're dealing with bands everywhere, right, and the audience has access twenty four to seven, right, and it's it's instantaneous, like you know, I mean, I remember, you know, you had to order something out of a out of the back of a magazine and you had to wait two weeks before you can order.

36:02 Speaker 8: And it's literally before you even finishing off the button. Right, it's already in your mailbox or wherever it's supposed.

36:10 Speaker 2: To be, right exactly. Yeah, it's uh, it's a yeah. We're I think we're fortunate in the sense that, you know, we're we're old enough to remember what it was like pre internet, which helps us to also I mean, you know, there there may be some downsides, but I think the upsides too, I mean, to be honest with you, I mean, I have wonderful memories of when I was a kid going to record stores and you know, finding stuff and you know, seeing, oh, the cover of this looks cool, this looks interesting, and all of that.

36:37 Speaker 2: But I also but the way that we have it now, I would not trade that to go back, you know what I mean, because I love that we live in an era where if you know, if a song pops into my head just you know, and I've always you know, and I think most of us who are musicians have this where there's always something playing in the back of our heads. We always have kind of a soundtrack that we're walking around with, you know, even subconsciously, and you know, something pops into my head and I'm like, oh, you know, i'd really like to hear that.

37:02 Speaker 2: Well, I can. I can hear it, you know, instantly, I can, I can pull it up and I do love it. But you know, people who you know, Gen X is the last generation to grow up without the Internet, but people after us, And I don't know how old you are, but people after obviously you're old enough to remember what it was like before we had had all of this before. You know, people who didn't experience that, they don't know just how good we have it now in terms of access and and I think I think one of the positives too, and I'm curious to get your thoughts on this.

37:35 Speaker 2: I think one of the positives is I think that where I think there's less of a generationalism, which I think is a term I just coined in terms of younger people. I think there was a time when younger people didn't want to listen necessarily to older music because they were so focused on what's current.

37:58 Speaker 9: You know.

37:58 Speaker 2: I remember having this conversation with my mother, like, you know, she wanted me to listen to the Beatles, and I was like, ah, that's old music. I remember saying that to her. I didn't want to listen to the Beatles. I wanted to listen to what I wanted to listen to it. You know, that was popular at the time. But but I think now, because there's such easy access to absolutely everything, it's easier than ever for young people to get access to older music. So so I feel like there's almost this thing where people just generally aren't concerned with what's new and what's old.

38:31 Speaker 2: They just want to listen to whatever they like, and I think so I think the Internet has been helpful with that. And I also think it's been helpful in terms of older people because you know this, a lot of people they only like music up to whenever they graduated high school or college, or for some people, I think the cutoff age might be thirty, and then they don't want to listen to anything after that. They're like, all this, all this new music sucks. I only want to listen to the back when music was good.

38:58 Speaker 2: I only want to listen to that, right how they think. But I think there's a lot less of that now too, because now older people have such easy access to you know, like you like, if someone's complaining, oh, there's no good new music, and you think, well, I know something you might like that's new here, I'll send you this. Click this link. See if you like this, you know what I mean. So I think that it's helped. I think it's I'm going to use that term again because I think it's so cool and I just made it up.

39:23 Speaker 2: I think it's eliminated a lot of the generationalism that exists. And that was a very long winded question, but I'm curious your thoughts now listen.

39:33 Speaker 8: Well, First, I agree, I think the average person, I think they even statistically, they showed that most people kind of solidify their music taste by twenty twenty two somewhere in college. Some people make that change in college, you know, because they're because that's when they exposed to a new life or different people, right, And so that's the thing that they emotionally connect to. And when they get old and they're stressing or they feel like they need whatever, they go to their favorite music.

40:04 Speaker 8: We all do it. I mean I do it. I'm sure you do it, but I do. I do agree that like the Internet and the capabilities of it has opened up, you know, a vast world of connection for all of us, especially I mean, if just specifically speaking for musicians and artists and bands, I mean, you know, I remember trying to send it, you know, cassette tape to Jersey and it would take forever and then you had to wait forever for some mean sometimes three months would go by until you heard something, not sure if it got there, no way to track it, that kind of thing.

40:40 Speaker 8: Now everything's instantaneous, so you can be connecting with people all the time, you know, that's if they're not ghosting you or ignoring you and that type of thing. But so, I think there's a lot of positives there. I think some of the negatives, you know, even though we're not supposed to talk negatives, is that you can easily get lost in the shuffle, and people can they can easily ignore you if they if they had to. Because there's so much stuff going on right we have so many means of communication now that oftentimes people aren't even using them.

41:13 Speaker 8: Like we have email, and a certain demographic doesn't use email anymore. True, only check their email every you know, every other week or something like that. Even businesses I've I've found that, you know, if if they have email, they don't check their email that often, well, then you shouldn't offer it for customer.

41:32 Speaker 2: For your audience or whatever right you got, you got to connect to them with social media because they're not You're right, they're using that not check. You know, maybe they're just using Instagram and they're not checking. They're not even checking their email. I've run into that exact thing. Yes, that is absolutely true.

41:45 Speaker 8: Yeah, which kind of then separates certain demographics that won't use like that, don't use those type of things. They still go traditional like I like being able to pick up the phone and maybe call somebody and say, hey, you know, I have a problem or or you know, let's connect way. I'm still an email user, but I'm also from the generation when email was introduced and it was like, wow, this is amazing type of thing, you know, that type of thing. I mean, I know there's you know, people that, like you said, they will only communicate via social media, and I think that that's I mean, there's limitations in that because you're limiting your audience maybe, But at the same time, if it's working for you and you're seeing results from it, then you're going to stick with it.

42:29 Speaker 8: So you know, like you said, I think it all depends on the situation of the person. But for music, I mean, again, your music's out there. I mean, your music can be heard, you don't know necessarily, like especially with like internet radio and some of the other stations like you know, your terrestrial radio that's expanded to the Internet and stuff like that. And then with of course with podcasts and playlists and stuff, you have the opportunity to get your music out there. You got to do a lot of legwork.

42:59 Speaker 8: Actually if you're not paying for it, because you can there's easy. You know, everything has is a price here nowadays. I think it's always kind of in that way. But in the early days of it's just giving an example, like you know, fifteen years ago when this band started, there was there was some price tiers, but they were far and few between. Most people were kind of you know, doing it more as because they were fans themselves. They were trying to promote the music, you know, something like that.

43:29 Speaker 8: Now because the audience has grown of like, because everything now is basically online, isn't it. Like I mean, you can't do i mean even just shopping at some of your favorite you know, larger box stores. There's things that they don't even carry in stores only online.

43:46 Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, Walmart does that.

43:48 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, Walmart does it, Depot does it, things like that. So it's almost like their shelves are empty, but online because now they're they're doing, you know, the same thing. They have resellers and sellers from all over different points, so exactly, I think that that's sometimes, you know, so now everything is that you know, somebody actually just told me. I was just talking to somebody last night and I said, hey, you know, you're doing really well, and he goes, yeah, I could probably do even better if I just decide to pay for this next thing.

44:17 Speaker 8: And I'm like, well, yeah, I guess you're right, because that's where everything is right now, and they're just trying to figure it out. So for bands, you just kind of kind of navigate the good and the bad the best that you can. But I think sticking to your guns, being true to what you do and you know, and listen, you gotta have some kind of fun with it. Hence why we decided to do covers after all these years, just hey, let's have some fun with it. What's what's We're not hurting anybody, actually, I mean we're if anything, we're actually helping the bands, not that they they not that it's a big deal, but like we popularized more of the band that we're covering, then we're actually doing ourselves right in a way, because the reality of it is is most of us don't even we can't even get streaming royalties from cover songs, because that's true, just outrageous because of the way the publishing is set up.

45:10 Speaker 8: So we're doing it more for the love of what we do.

45:13 Speaker 2: But sometimes it can help you really break through too, Like I Prevail. I don't know if you're a fan of them, but they they first broke because they did the cover. They did a cover of blank Space by Taylor Swift and that blew up online, that went viral and next thing, you know, these guys are, you know, having a lot of success with their own music and and uh you know they're they're a big band and you guys actually too, Is this is this true Crazy Horses? Because you mentioned you covered Crazy Horses by the Osmonds that that charted on the World Indie charts?

45:43 Speaker 2: Is that right?

45:45 Speaker 8: It did? It did? We were kind of excited about that. Yeah, you know, you know it's it's it's bittersweet all at the same time, like, you know, our first real chart, well, I shouldn't say that our first charting song was actually one of our holiday songs, because you know how they when we do one every year or a couple of them every year, depending on the year. We love Christmas music. It's it's really there are most of them are original, So that was kind of cool. But at the same time, holiday music is kind of universal, you know what I'm saying, Like more you'd probably have more people liking in general holiday music than you would say new wave of traditional American heavy metal so to speak.

46:27 Speaker 8: You know that the numbers, you know, get lower, and our demographic is starting to age out, like they're just disappearing, unfortunately. But anyway, yeah, that that that charted, and like I said, it was bittersweet because we were excited about it, but at the same time, it would be cool if it was our own music. But at the same time, we kind of made it our own, you know. We our sound is in there. We do this gallup thing, which is part of like a lot of what we do. It's in there, and we were excited about it.

46:56 Speaker 8: And the Ozma's are a great group and I realized people today may not realize how big the Osmonds were back in the seventies. Yeah, but they were just unbelievably huge and they were on sprecially during that time of their music. They were on track to really start becoming a hard rock band, but unfortunately that didn't pan out.

47:17 Speaker 2: For Yeah, that song crazy Horses. I wasn't even aware of that song until a few years ago. But I used to do there's another show here that's on another day here at the station that I used to be a co host on, and that's how that song was introduced to me. And I had never heard it before, and I didn't know it was the Osmonds until after the song and I was like, what is that? That's so it's weird, but I like it. It's an odd song, but I really like it, and I was like, oh, that's the Osmonds. Ill. But I guess by that point too, you know, they had so much success because as you mentioned, yeah, they were very, very big.

47:50 Speaker 2: They had had so much success that they could kind of take some chances, and I think they they really kind of took a chance with that song because it's such an oddity, but it's a cool song and the way you guys do it works really well. I did listen to that and I liked it a lot. Absolutely. I also want to ask you about because we're gonna let you go soon that the time goes quickly, but I want to ask you about this single never count Me Out, because we're gonna play this at the end of our conversation.

48:14 Speaker 2: And it's from the new EP, Forever Metal. And is that out yet? Is the EP already out or is it coming out or what's the status?

48:21 Speaker 8: Yeah, yes, the EP's out. It's it's only available in CD. Okay, the single is available digitally, But yeah, we're kind of excited about it. It's kind of it's part of our you know, our our fifteen year anniversary that you know, we're just kind of restating our mission so to speak. Yeah, and the song is kind of in the same vein like you know, like you know, every everybody has their ups and downs, you know, bands constantly, and in this market, I mean, if you're going for more than two weeks like that, you know, if you're not, if there's no noise being being done, please forget about you.

49:00 Speaker 8: But yeah, this song is just again part of you know, our our restatement of our mission that you know, don't count us out yet because we're forever mental that type of idea.

49:11 Speaker 4: I love it.

49:11 Speaker 2: I love it very cool. I love the empowerment of that. Everything it's all, it's all good and it's it's very positive. So well, congratulations again on the fifteen year anniversary of the band. That's amazing of course, Corners of Sanctuary from Philadelphia and Mick, this has been wonderful. Thank you so much for joining us this morning. And before I let you go and we're going to hit that track, but before I let you go, one more thing. Where's the best place for people to go online to keep up with everything?

49:36 Speaker 2: And we did talk about that a lot online to keep up with everything that the band is doing. Corners of Sanctuary, you could just go to our.

49:43 Speaker 8: Official website Cornersosanctuary dot com and we have a ton of stuff there, our shows and we have some music. I think there's I think there's some free music downloaded as well. You know, it just keeps you and you can get to all our socials from there as well.

49:57 Speaker 2: Outstanding, perfect, Yeah, I was looking at the site early, so very good. All right, Mick Michaels, thank you so much. We will definitely do this again in the future because obviously you guys are doing a lot of stuff, releasing a lot of new new music, so you know we'll have plenty of excuses to have you back on. But really enjoyed talking with you today, So thanks man, and you sir.

50:14 Speaker 8: I appreciate it.

50:15 Speaker 2: Thank you, and again I love the kiss cover. I just got to get that in one more time.

50:18 Speaker 8: That is so good, awesome, awesome, thank you.

50:20 Speaker 2: All right, Mick, thank you, take care you too. Bye bye bye. All right. That is Mick Michaels from the band Corners of Sanctuary, and we're gonna end the segment with this, but if you are listening live on Saturday, stick around. We got plenty more to come, but right now here it is. This is called never count Me Out. I love this song Bye Corners of Sanctuary, and.

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