Jesse Rutstein & Caleb Dyer | Matt Connarton Unleashed

0:00 Speaker 1: Let's see, we've got Jesse Rutstein and Caleb Dyer here

0:03 Speaker 1: from of course, uh Hatchet Acts and Saw Records. Hey guys, Hello, Hello, Hello,

0:08 Speaker 1: I learned how to say the name of your label

0:10 Speaker 1: without tripping over it. So yeah, I did my homework

0:13 Speaker 1: this time.

0:13 Speaker 2: Just too many syllables.

0:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, welcome back, guys. It's good to see you.

0:18 Speaker 1: Although you know, unfortunately I'm under some uh troubling circumstances

0:23 Speaker 1: because of the what happened recently in Nashua. We should probably,

0:27 Speaker 1: uh should probably talk about should we talk about that first?

0:30 Speaker 1: And I know there's another part to it we might

0:32 Speaker 1: circle back to at the end, but but you know,

0:35 Speaker 1: I'm sure people are tuning in wanting to know uh

0:38 Speaker 1: more about what happened and then the aftermath and how

0:42 Speaker 1: you're moving forward through that.

0:45 Speaker 3: And uh, yeah, it's been it's it's been a crazy

0:48 Speaker 3: end to twenty five for us.

0:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, sorrowing.

0:52 Speaker 2: Yeah.

0:54 Speaker 3: Last time we were here, we were talking about getting

0:56 Speaker 3: getting rolling with H and S and uh and we're

0:59 Speaker 3: still rolling.

1:00 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:00 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, some minor setback.

1:03 Speaker 2: Train slowed down a little bit, a little bit. Yeah, yeah,

1:06 Speaker 2: it's uh, you know, we're making the best of it.

1:09 Speaker 2: We're doing what we can.

1:11 Speaker 1: So for those who don't know what happened exactly, I mean,

1:13 Speaker 1: obviously there was a there was a fire.

1:16 Speaker 4: So there it's two streets Ash Street.

1:21 Speaker 3: There was an apartment complex that caught fire, and there's

1:26 Speaker 3: rumors I don't want to get into like rumors of

1:28 Speaker 3: how it all happened. But what ended up happening was

1:31 Speaker 3: that fire, which absolutely destroyed this apartment building spread over

1:36 Speaker 3: to the warehouse where Tree Streets Inc. Was located. Tree

1:40 Speaker 3: Streets Inc. Is the studio that Hatchet Accident Saw works

1:43 Speaker 3: out of, ok and it's where we, you know, keep

1:47 Speaker 3: all of our equipment. It's where we do all the recording.

1:51 Speaker 3: My record was supposed to last time we were here,

1:53 Speaker 3: we were talking about my record dropping on December seventeenth,

1:56 Speaker 3: and obviously that didn't happen. So the fire spread over

2:00 Speaker 3: to the warehouse and it like was you know, engulfed

2:05 Speaker 3: in flames. It was a big story and it was

2:09 Speaker 3: just pretty it's it's just pretty crazy. We I I

2:13 Speaker 3: was literally down in the studio until about two am the.

2:18 Speaker 4: The day of or the night before the fire.

2:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, working on the title track of the record, and.

2:28 Speaker 4: I literally wrapped on it.

2:29 Speaker 3: I couldn't wait to call Caleb and say, hey, it's done,

2:33 Speaker 3: ready for you, ready for you to step in, ready

2:35 Speaker 3: to master. And I went home around two in the morning.

2:40 Speaker 3: I had been working all day. And I got the

2:44 Speaker 3: call a couple hours later from somebody else that used

2:46 Speaker 3: to work in the studio. And it was six thirty

2:49 Speaker 3: in the morning. And this is a true story, six

2:52 Speaker 3: thirty in the morning. And I answered the phone and

2:54 Speaker 3: I'm like, I said to this kid, something something better

2:58 Speaker 3: beyond fire if you're calling the Surly, and he goes,

3:01 Speaker 3: I really.

3:02 Speaker 4: Wish you didn't say that. And we get to the scene.

3:07 Speaker 3: I got I got to the scene, I called Caleb,

3:10 Speaker 3: and when I got there, I just I just watched everything.

3:15 Speaker 4: Everything was on fire.

3:16 Speaker 3: Like it's a weird expression that we use all the time,

3:21 Speaker 3: everything's on fire, you know, but everything's everything was on fire.

3:26 Speaker 3: I had worked so hard, we had all worked so

3:29 Speaker 3: hard at this record Superhero Toys that was supposed to

3:33 Speaker 3: drop on December seventeenth. Yeah, and everything was on fire.

3:39 Speaker 3: And I call Caleb. I'm like, I don't get down here.

3:43 Speaker 3: I don't know what to do. First thing we did

3:47 Speaker 3: was round up the people that we knew might have

3:51 Speaker 3: been in the building. Nobody got severely hurt, which is

3:55 Speaker 3: which is the main focus on everything that we've done

3:58 Speaker 3: since this, this these few minutes that I'm talking about. Yeah,

4:02 Speaker 3: Connor Coburn from No More Blue, Tomorrow's Tom philbrook Ivan,

4:08 Speaker 3: too many to name, but we just made sure everybody

4:11 Speaker 3: was okay first, all right, everybody's okay. Now we can

4:16 Speaker 3: now we can start being sad, right, Yeah.

4:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the worst was like smoke inhalation with

4:22 Speaker 2: someone on one O eight or one ten ash. I

4:24 Speaker 2: think that was really Yeah, we're just just very fortunate

4:28 Speaker 2: that just everybody got Yeah, everyone was just.

4:30 Speaker 1: That is that is lucky considering the magnitude of the fire,

4:33 Speaker 1: that that no one was under lave.

4:35 Speaker 2: Property can be replaced life camp right, exactly right?

4:39 Speaker 4: Wow?

4:41 Speaker 1: So now so does that mean, like, is everything you

4:46 Speaker 1: worked on for the album? Is that? Is that all gone?

4:48 Speaker 3: So this story is this story is like crazy because

4:54 Speaker 3: the last time we were here we were talking about

4:56 Speaker 3: how the album came to be. I had a turbulent

5:00 Speaker 3: I had a turbulent year, and then Caleb and I

5:03 Speaker 3: decided that we were gonna make the record. I turned

5:06 Speaker 3: everything around. I kept things positive, and I'm still keeping

5:09 Speaker 3: things positive.

5:10 Speaker 4: Yeah.

5:10 Speaker 3: But the we were on the bottom floor, so everything

5:18 Speaker 3: that the only damage that we received was water damage

5:22 Speaker 3: because they stopped the fire at the top. So some

5:26 Speaker 3: of the other studios that were in the building they

5:27 Speaker 3: lost everything. The people who were in the apartment building

5:30 Speaker 3: they lost everything. Yeah, I lost or thought I lost

5:34 Speaker 3: my music. Oh so I am.

5:36 Speaker 4: I completely was like, don't worry about me.

5:39 Speaker 2: Ye.

5:39 Speaker 3: You know, we've done three benefit shows for the folks

5:41 Speaker 3: who have been displaced. We've raised over seven thousand dollars

5:45 Speaker 3: so far, between a solo show with me, a show

5:49 Speaker 3: at Peddler's with Connor, and then down at Bad Burger.

5:53 Speaker 3: They they hooked us up and we did a great

5:55 Speaker 3: show and we've raised so much money for the So

5:57 Speaker 3: I'm not accepting any donations or doing and he go

6:00 Speaker 3: fund me. I was really sad about my music because

6:04 Speaker 3: when we finally were able to get down there, the

6:06 Speaker 3: computer that everything was on was under three feet of water,

6:10 Speaker 3: and and some of it's backed up, some of it's not.

6:13 Speaker 3: But even the stuff that's backed up, like, there's no

6:14 Speaker 3: way we're going to be able to release a record,

6:17 Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, So and we didn't even know what

6:19 Speaker 3: was on the hard drive. It's literally been a week

6:21 Speaker 3: since our executive producer, Dave Patterson texted me and told

6:26 Speaker 3: me that the hard drives all set, everything is still there.

6:31 Speaker 3: We can still release the record and like like that.

6:35 Speaker 3: That's when I told people like you want to see

6:37 Speaker 3: me cry, That's that's what you're going to see me cry.

6:40 Speaker 3: I got my stuff back, Ye, I got my stuff back.

6:43 Speaker 3: We're not releasing the record. What we're going to do

6:46 Speaker 3: is re release the EP that we released in July.

6:50 Speaker 3: But we're gonna do it with the same kind of

6:53 Speaker 3: same approach that we were going to take at the record.

6:55 Speaker 3: We're gonna do CDs, shirts, stickers, maybe posters, and just

7:00 Speaker 3: get out and start playing. But instead of being ten songs,

7:04 Speaker 3: it's going to be five. And then we'll once we

7:07 Speaker 3: figure out a location to set up shop to start

7:14 Speaker 3: mixing the record, that's when we're going to go forward

7:16 Speaker 3: and start working on that. You know, Eleanor and Andre

7:21 Speaker 3: down at Terminus, they're volunteering some space. They've been instrumental,

7:26 Speaker 3: especially Eleanor, like what a person like ye, just instrumental

7:31 Speaker 3: in organizing the community to come together, and that is

7:35 Speaker 3: the biggest piece of all of this is that our

7:38 Speaker 3: music community came together for this like immediately, and I

7:43 Speaker 3: couldn't be I couldn't be more proud to be a

7:44 Speaker 3: part of it, you know what I mean. Like, there's

7:47 Speaker 3: so many different genres of music in this area, and

7:50 Speaker 3: that's what Hatchet Accent saw I really wanted to focus on,

7:54 Speaker 3: and that's what we wanted to do. We wanted to

7:56 Speaker 3: put everybody out there, and they came to our aid

8:01 Speaker 3: like immediately. So I'm very proud to say that that

8:04 Speaker 3: I'm a part of this southern New Hampshire music community because.

8:08 Speaker 4: Because we're we're awesome.

8:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, people showed up, man, Yeah, question absolutely.

8:15 Speaker 1: Now what about music? Were you in the midst of

8:18 Speaker 1: working on anything else for any of the other artists

8:20 Speaker 1: associated with the label or we we.

8:23 Speaker 2: Had been working on one it it kind of it

8:28 Speaker 2: was fallen through for for some reasons, but there was

8:32 Speaker 2: also more that was going to be coming with Santino

8:35 Speaker 2: that it just kind of started that that hadn't fallen through.

8:40 Speaker 2: We just oh, Crank and Wagon. Crank and Wagon had

8:43 Speaker 2: literally weeks before the fire, We had just started and

8:47 Speaker 2: we had gotten tracks drum tracks on our self titled tune.

8:53 Speaker 2: We had started one of the other ones too, and yeah, man,

8:57 Speaker 2: there were some projects that that were but but still

9:01 Speaker 2: still it started. In fact, you can go and you

9:04 Speaker 2: can check out the Facebook reels that I think Paul

9:07 Speaker 2: published of him doing the the Ambulance sound with the guitar. Yeah,

9:13 Speaker 2: it's just just some fun stuff we were doing with

9:15 Speaker 2: that tune. But you know, we had stuff that was

9:19 Speaker 2: in the works that I think really would have knocked

9:21 Speaker 2: your socks. It still will. I mean, this week, we

9:24 Speaker 2: gotta you know, we gotta make the time and right

9:28 Speaker 2: now get in the real estates the big block. Dave

9:30 Speaker 2: and I Dave and I are we we're looking. We're

9:35 Speaker 2: scouting options. But it's kind of hard to replace what

9:38 Speaker 2: we had there because the one the one thing, man,

9:42 Speaker 2: we are two things. We had the electricity included in

9:46 Speaker 2: the cost of the rent, Yeah, which I mean for

9:48 Speaker 2: a musician, holy crap. Yeah, was like, yeah, it's just

9:54 Speaker 2: and then on top of that, as if that wasn't

9:57 Speaker 2: good enough, we also had it twenty four loud down there,

10:01 Speaker 2: which is just I mean, what more can you ask for?

10:05 Speaker 2: You know, if you if you can work all hours

10:08 Speaker 2: of the day and night and and have power included

10:12 Speaker 2: in your rent.

10:13 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like I would get I'd get out of

10:15 Speaker 3: work at nine, shoot down there and just be there

10:18 Speaker 3: all night working on the music, whether I'm working on

10:21 Speaker 3: one of the projects or.

10:22 Speaker 4: My own stuff.

10:24 Speaker 3: It was just it was too good to be true

10:27 Speaker 3: that space. But you know what, we learned a lot

10:32 Speaker 3: down there in the last In the last five years

10:34 Speaker 3: that I've been working with Caleb and Dave, I've learned

10:38 Speaker 3: so much about myself as a musician. I've learned how

10:42 Speaker 3: how it all goes together. And it's not easy, like

10:46 Speaker 3: you know, I mean, and I still like need Dave

10:49 Speaker 3: and Caleb to come down and do the mixes and

10:51 Speaker 3: stuff like that.

10:53 Speaker 2: How do you put a song together? How do you

10:54 Speaker 2: put show together?

10:57 Speaker 3: I grew so much as a musician because one fifteen Vine,

11:01 Speaker 3: I've been a musician since I was seven. I'm forty

11:04 Speaker 3: five years old, and in the last five years, I

11:07 Speaker 3: I can now be like really proud of who I

11:10 Speaker 3: am as a musician, And a lot of it has

11:12 Speaker 3: to do with Caleb, Dave and one fifteen Vine. Yeah,

11:17 Speaker 3: no doubt a brief detour, because I truly don't think

11:23 Speaker 3: we're just Jesse myself. Dave even just dead like other

11:27 Speaker 3: bands in the basement, dead time, you know, good good

11:31 Speaker 3: friends and folks and incredible musicians. We're just one small piece,

11:37 Speaker 3: small recent piece of the history of that building in

11:39 Speaker 3: the music community. I don't really, I don't think people

11:42 Speaker 3: truly understand.

11:42 Speaker 2: It goes back decades. Oh really that yeah, that that

11:45 Speaker 2: that building in the like early two thousands, it was

11:50 Speaker 2: the home for a bunch of bands. I mean one

11:54 Speaker 2: one band. I remember when I was in middle school

11:58 Speaker 2: and going into high school. There's a band Voyagers, my

12:02 Speaker 2: buddy Eddie and uh Rusty the uh the guitar players

12:08 Speaker 2: and then trying to remember but they I mean Eddie,

12:12 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he used to live in that building.

12:14 Speaker 4: Yeah.

12:15 Speaker 2: And you know now now he's he's married, he's got

12:17 Speaker 2: a got a kid, and he's doing great. He's kind

12:20 Speaker 2: of gotten out of music. But I mean that that

12:24 Speaker 2: whole building for decades was a generator of original music

12:31 Speaker 2: of you know, people doing it honestly, you know, for

12:36 Speaker 2: for real, and and and it's it's truly it's hard

12:41 Speaker 2: to explain to people that we were just the latest

12:45 Speaker 2: custodian exactly. That's it. We we were, we were just

12:48 Speaker 2: the most recent and and I mean I I remember,

12:53 Speaker 2: uh some years ago some guys, I think they're from

12:55 Speaker 2: the New York area, but they had a studio all

12:57 Speaker 2: the way up here in Nashville in that building. Perspective

13:00 Speaker 2: A lovely hand to hold. Oh yeah, they were.

13:03 Speaker 4: They were a.

13:04 Speaker 2: Fantastic band, and they had an incredible studio that was

13:08 Speaker 2: on the second floor, and they had moved out some

13:10 Speaker 2: years ago. But just to explain to people that there

13:16 Speaker 2: were so many, even people who weren't affected by the fire,

13:20 Speaker 2: but just so much music came out of that building.

13:24 Speaker 3: Over the last five Over the last five years, when

13:27 Speaker 3: I say, oh yeah, I'm at one fifteen Vine, I

13:29 Speaker 3: could be talking to some some band that I was

13:31 Speaker 3: playing with in Conquered Oh.

13:33 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, yeah. The Warehouse, oh yeah, that everybody.

13:37 Speaker 2: It gained, It gained a notoriety of just yeah special place. Yeah,

13:43 Speaker 2: musicians come out of there. And you know, if you

13:46 Speaker 2: if you had the gumption, if you're really were putting

13:49 Speaker 2: in time and really doing it, you could do it.

13:52 Speaker 4: Yeah.

13:52 Speaker 3: It wasn't pretty on the outside, but when when you

13:55 Speaker 3: walk through those doors, it was just any given day,

13:58 Speaker 3: I'd be going down to work on one of my

14:00 Speaker 3: love songs and I'd hear a hardcore band rehearsing upstairs, yeah,

14:05 Speaker 3: and and it there's just something about that. And then

14:08 Speaker 3: you'd run out to the guys that everybody's going to

14:10 Speaker 3: their car and stuff, Oh, you guys sound good, And

14:12 Speaker 3: then this hardcore band'll be like, oh, I heard you

14:15 Speaker 3: mixing downstairs. This sounds good, you know. And and just

14:18 Speaker 3: like the amount of respect we all had for each other.

14:20 Speaker 4: It was.

14:21 Speaker 2: It was really like the community within a community. Yeah, yeah,

14:26 Speaker 2: for sure, just you know, and and that hopefully that

14:30 Speaker 2: community will I mean, it's clearly remaining strong. I mean

14:33 Speaker 2: the bad the bad Yeah. The Bad Burger benefit was

14:36 Speaker 2: just it was incredibly well attended, you know, and just uh,

14:42 Speaker 2: it's it's very heartwarming to see it.

14:45 Speaker 3: That was That was a fun show too, because I

14:48 Speaker 3: I had just I didn't even know Ash she does

14:51 Speaker 3: the booking down there, and I saw that she was

14:54 Speaker 3: putting on a show this is in with within like

14:56 Speaker 3: two days of the fire, and so I shot her message, shoot,

15:00 Speaker 3: you know, shoot your shot.

15:01 Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, my name is Jesse Rudstein.

15:04 Speaker 3: I'm a member of the community that that was affected.

15:08 Speaker 3: I'd like to get on the bill just knowing that

15:10 Speaker 3: it was a benefit show, and she's like, yeah, sure,

15:12 Speaker 3: she threw my logo on the poster, and funny thing like,

15:16 Speaker 3: apparently my logo looks like everybody else's logo that was

15:19 Speaker 3: on the poster. But they were all hardcore metal bands

15:23 Speaker 3: and yeah there's me singing my love songs some serious.

15:29 Speaker 4: It was awesome, that's cool. We had a really cool show.

15:33 Speaker 3: But but I with everything that was going on, I

15:35 Speaker 3: didn't really have a chance to check out all the

15:37 Speaker 3: other bands that were on the bill. And then when

15:40 Speaker 3: I did, I'm like, oh no, I mean myself on

15:44 Speaker 3: a hardcore show.

15:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah.

15:48 Speaker 4: Knowing the other bands were great. The whole show is very,

15:51 Speaker 4: like Caleb said, was very well attended.

15:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, very well and people really did show out.

15:56 Speaker 1: Good, good, excellent. If you're just joining us, we've got

15:59 Speaker 1: Jesse I's seen in Caleb Diler tire sorry from Hatchet

16:03 Speaker 1: Asensaw Records. See now I can say the name Hatchet

16:06 Speaker 1: Accessaw Records, but I can't say your last name apparently,

16:10 Speaker 1: but uh yeah, we were talking about the fire at

16:13 Speaker 1: one fifteen Vine that was the address.

16:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, and also want to wait in one ten ash.

16:19 Speaker 2: I think that time. Yeah, at least in the music community.

16:21 Speaker 2: We we focused on one fifteen. Fine, but there were

16:25 Speaker 2: there were like thirty people this placed from there.

16:27 Speaker 4: Oh my god. Wow.

16:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the scale of it was just yeah, that's awful.

16:34 Speaker 1: Remark remarkable though that in all that no one was

16:36 Speaker 1: seriously hurt or killed. I mean that's incredible. Yeah, with

16:40 Speaker 1: that many people, you know, early, well, what time was this?

16:43 Speaker 3: Like six thirty was when I got the phone call? Yeah,

16:48 Speaker 3: I got there at about eight. Yeah, I called Caleb

16:51 Speaker 3: around seven. When I got down there, it was like,

16:54 Speaker 3: where's Ivan, Where's Connor, where's Tom?

16:56 Speaker 4: You know? Yeah, people, where is everybody? Is everybody? Okay? Yeah?

17:01 Speaker 3: And then so then I call Caleb and and of

17:05 Speaker 3: course it was the first really big snowstorm of the season.

17:09 Speaker 3: So yeah, then its dark snow. I'm sitting there like

17:13 Speaker 3: watching the fire department. This is a five alarm fire.

17:16 Speaker 3: So hats off to I'm gonna I'm gonna remember them

17:19 Speaker 3: all this time. Uh, Lowell, Nashville, Hollis, Tingsboro, and Hudson. Yeah,

17:28 Speaker 3: so those are all the fire departments. I think that's right.

17:31 Speaker 3: If if I missed a fire department, sorry, guys.

17:33 Speaker 2: I think Merrimac. Also, I think there's six something like that.

17:37 Speaker 3: I don't know the first hats off to the first

17:41 Speaker 3: responders for sure, but I'm watching it and I'm like,

17:45 Speaker 3: and you know, my mind is always going, I'm an overthinker,

17:48 Speaker 3: and I'm like.

17:49 Speaker 4: Oh, maybe the snow will help.

17:52 Speaker 3: Ye, frost and water falling from the sky, and then

17:55 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, there's all these flames everywhere, and

17:58 Speaker 3: these guys like like, there's some great photos and not

18:01 Speaker 3: they're not great photos, but some really uh captivating photos

18:05 Speaker 3: of of like this guy on one ladder and this

18:08 Speaker 3: guy on another ladder, like those guys one of the

18:10 Speaker 3: Actually there were three injuries, minor injuries, two people from

18:15 Speaker 3: the apartment building and one The only other injury was

18:18 Speaker 3: to a member of one of the fire departments. Okay,

18:21 Speaker 3: and everybody but like everybody's okay, No nobody got seriously injured.

18:24 Speaker 3: But those were the only reported injuries throughout the whole thing,

18:28 Speaker 3: so I would be uh, I got to say, thanks

18:34 Speaker 3: to the fire departments.

18:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, strictly the fire departments.

18:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

18:43 Speaker 2: But as soon as I remember it distinctly, as soon

18:48 Speaker 2: as the scene was kind of cleared, I went home.

18:51 Speaker 2: I as soon as I got to the scene and

18:53 Speaker 2: that fire burning, I was just kind of like, I

18:57 Speaker 2: don't need to be here. I don't need to watch

18:59 Speaker 2: my my life burn away. Yeah, I just went home

19:03 Speaker 2: and I was like, all right, well, time to make

19:05 Speaker 2: some plans, like what are we going to do about it?

19:07 Speaker 4: I couldn't take my eyes off it. And then so,

19:10 Speaker 4: well you gave me a call at what time.

19:13 Speaker 2: I don't know when it exactly it was, but it

19:14 Speaker 2: was sometime the afternoon, and you're like, hey, they're gonna

19:17 Speaker 2: be letting people into the building, and you were. You

19:20 Speaker 2: ended up being one of the first people in the

19:22 Speaker 2: building to tell a little bit about that. And then

19:25 Speaker 2: I'll explain when I got there and what I did

19:27 Speaker 2: to because you.

19:29 Speaker 4: So you want to you want me to tell a story.

19:32 Speaker 2: Well, I mean tell like, whre's another shot down in there?

19:37 Speaker 2: Like you saw you saw it in the original state,

19:40 Speaker 2: you saw it before even I.

19:41 Speaker 3: Got I was I was the first one in the building.

19:43 Speaker 3: So so we're sitting there, everything's burning, and the news

19:49 Speaker 3: crews show up and our good friend Connor Coburn, really

19:53 Speaker 3: close friend of mine, he lead singer for No More

19:55 Speaker 3: Blue tomorrows Uh. He's the one who put on the

19:59 Speaker 3: benefit that's raised them house money for the victims so far.

20:02 Speaker 3: But he sees the news crew show up and he

20:04 Speaker 3: looks over and he goes, Jesse, there's some cameras over there.

20:08 Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, I'll see you guys later. And

20:10 Speaker 3: I went and I did some interviews and on local

20:13 Speaker 3: and national national news about the fire, which was on

20:19 Speaker 3: the street right next to the building. And so that happened.

20:24 Speaker 3: Caleb's like, I'm out of here. You know, everybody's kind

20:27 Speaker 3: of dispersed. One of the great coincidences about the location

20:31 Speaker 3: of this place is that my ex wife lives right

20:34 Speaker 3: down the road. So even throughout all these years, I'll

20:37 Speaker 3: be at the studio. Then I, you know, see my kids.

20:40 Speaker 3: My kids would just come down and jam. You know,

20:42 Speaker 3: my sons are they play and you know they would

20:46 Speaker 3: they would you know, I would be able to just

20:48 Speaker 3: run over there, have dinner and go back and work

20:49 Speaker 3: on stuff.

20:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, nice little coincidence.

20:52 Speaker 3: So I set up shop at my ex wife's house.

20:56 Speaker 4: I called her. Obviously she knew what was going on,

20:59 Speaker 4: she could see it from her wind.

21:01 Speaker 3: And I was kind of like gonna be the point

21:03 Speaker 3: person to be able to walk down there and see

21:07 Speaker 3: what was going on throughout the day. So at around

21:10 Speaker 3: eleven am, after everybody had left, we had some food.

21:16 Speaker 4: I don't even know if it was.

21:17 Speaker 3: It was one of those days where it wasn't lunch,

21:19 Speaker 3: it wasn't breakfast, it was just we have food. And

21:23 Speaker 3: I walked down there again with my son and we

21:26 Speaker 3: went to go check it out and I saw the police,

21:28 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, the fire chief, and he brought me in

21:32 Speaker 3: the building with him. This is after the fire was out,

21:35 Speaker 3: and I was like, I just I just want to

21:38 Speaker 3: know what's going on downstairs. And he walked down half

21:41 Speaker 3: the stairs and he goes, there's like three four feet of.

21:43 Speaker 2: Water down there.

21:45 Speaker 3: That's how much That's how much water it took to

21:47 Speaker 3: put out this fire. But we're in the basement of

21:49 Speaker 3: a warehouse, so there was nowhere for the water to go.

21:53 Speaker 4: So that I called.

21:54 Speaker 3: Caleb, I let him know that, and I go back

21:57 Speaker 3: to go back to the point. And a couple hours

22:00 Speaker 3: later I walked down the street again. This time there

22:03 Speaker 3: was police tape up, like they had put like tape up,

22:07 Speaker 3: and this is the same street I had been walking

22:10 Speaker 3: down all day. There's actually a video of me and

22:12 Speaker 3: my son coming back from that visit where the Mayor

22:15 Speaker 3: of Nashville was taking a video saying how tragic it

22:19 Speaker 3: is on this street.

22:20 Speaker 4: But now there's tape there.

22:21 Speaker 3: I didn't really think anything of it, and I walked

22:24 Speaker 3: around and Officer Jonathan Earnhardt decided to start yelling at me. Rightfully,

22:31 Speaker 3: so I crossed the tape. Sure, sure, I did a

22:34 Speaker 3: bad thing, he said, But but he was a meantiing

22:36 Speaker 3: I'm gonna rest you.

22:36 Speaker 1: I mean, you probably weren't even thinking about it, right,

22:38 Speaker 1: It's not like you consciously did that.

22:40 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just walked the route that I've been walking

22:43 Speaker 4: for five years. Yea.

22:45 Speaker 3: And I like he's he's threatening to arrest me, and

22:47 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm like, dude, seriously, Like I am just

22:50 Speaker 3: like one of the victims here.

22:52 Speaker 4: I'm just checking in. I was literally in the.

22:54 Speaker 3: Building with the fire chief a little while ago, and

22:57 Speaker 3: he's yelling at me and doing his little cop thing,

22:59 Speaker 3: and I'm I'm not nice. I'm not nice when people.

23:02 Speaker 3: I've always had a problem with authorities. Sure, sure, but

23:05 Speaker 3: at this at this point in the game, like.

23:07 Speaker 4: I wasn't doing anything.

23:08 Speaker 3: I literally did a news I was on TV on

23:11 Speaker 3: the place I was standing, so I didn't think it

23:12 Speaker 3: was a big deal.

23:13 Speaker 1: And you were dealing with a lot emotionally, right, I mean,

23:17 Speaker 1: this is a traumatic thing.

23:18 Speaker 4: I am losing my mind not knowing what is going on.

23:22 Speaker 3: So I walked back to my ex wife's house and

23:24 Speaker 3: I told her what happened to.

23:26 Speaker 4: Hanging with my son.

23:26 Speaker 3: We're playing Minecraft, you know what I mean, just just

23:30 Speaker 3: trying to forget about what's going on. Finally four o'clock

23:33 Speaker 3: rolls around and I'm like, you know what, I like

23:35 Speaker 3: what Caleb did early in the morning, Like I'm calling

23:38 Speaker 3: it today. We'll figure all this out. Nobody needs me either,

23:43 Speaker 3: so and I I didn't you know, dried. I had

23:45 Speaker 3: to get an uber to get home, so I ordered

23:48 Speaker 3: my uber, but because of the police vehicles on the street,

23:53 Speaker 3: the uber couldn't get in.

23:54 Speaker 4: So I walk down Ash. I walked three blocks.

23:58 Speaker 3: I walked down Ash around back to Vine to you know,

24:04 Speaker 3: to not cross the line, because I complied when he

24:07 Speaker 3: told me not to cross the line. And I get

24:09 Speaker 3: to the building and he's on the other side of

24:11 Speaker 3: the building because he was literally parked on the other

24:14 Speaker 3: side of the building. There's a couple of cop cars

24:16 Speaker 3: there and another officer was like, where.

24:17 Speaker 4: Are you going. I'm like, I'm just trying to catch

24:19 Speaker 4: my uber. He's over there. Can I go? And he's like, yeah, sure.

24:23 Speaker 3: And then I noticed people going in and out of

24:24 Speaker 3: the building. The cops had started letting some of the musicians,

24:27 Speaker 3: and I started seeing my friends going in and out

24:29 Speaker 3: of the building. Ye. So I turned to the officer respectfully,

24:32 Speaker 3: I'm like, you're letting people in there.

24:34 Speaker 4: This is my building.

24:35 Speaker 2: Now.

24:35 Speaker 3: Keep in mind, I've been calling this my building for

24:37 Speaker 3: five years. It doesn't belong to me, but you know,

24:40 Speaker 3: it's like say in my house.

24:41 Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, of course belongs to Hinch Crowdy, right right.

24:46 Speaker 4: So the officers like, yeah, you're one of the musicians. Yeah,

24:49 Speaker 4: I can go ahead.

24:50 Speaker 3: So I cancel my uber and I go in and

24:53 Speaker 3: we start ripping guitars out of there. Like I'm on

24:55 Speaker 3: the stairs. These other guys are all wading through the water.

24:58 Speaker 3: They're giving me the computer they're give Devin was like,

25:01 Speaker 3: what do you need. I'm like the computer, you know,

25:04 Speaker 3: get me the strat, get me the this case, this case,

25:06 Speaker 3: brown case, you know. And we're just pulling instruments up

25:10 Speaker 3: for about a half an hour, and the pitch black.

25:12 Speaker 4: I'm soaked.

25:13 Speaker 3: Everybody's you know, and I cancel the uber and my

25:17 Speaker 3: dad called me and he's like, hey, do you want

25:19 Speaker 3: some help. I'm like yeah, because because he was out

25:22 Speaker 3: and whatever. So he drove down, parked behind the officers,

25:25 Speaker 3: and I was just gonna start loading up some guitars

25:29 Speaker 3: into his car. And the first guitar that I grabbed

25:33 Speaker 3: was the Stratocaster and it belongs to Caleb.

25:36 Speaker 4: Well, well, it belongs to the studio, doesn't belong to me.

25:40 Speaker 3: I was the one about it. I didn't grab my

25:43 Speaker 3: guitar first. This Strata is on every track. It's a

25:45 Speaker 3: very important sentimental piece, but it's also one of the

25:49 Speaker 3: best guitars in the studio. So I grabbed that one first,

25:52 Speaker 3: mainly because like, carrying two was like carrying one hundred pounds.

25:58 Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt.

25:59 Speaker 3: And then I'm carrying it towards my I see my dad,

26:03 Speaker 3: see the cop cars, and then all of a sudden,

26:05 Speaker 3: I hear where's your uber? And it's the officer from

26:10 Speaker 3: earlier in the day, Jonathan Earnhardt. He he starts yelling

26:16 Speaker 3: at me. He's like, where's your uber. I'm like, dude,

26:18 Speaker 3: I canceled my uber you're letting people in the building.

26:21 Speaker 3: I'm at this point, I'm like I don't want to

26:23 Speaker 3: deal with this. I can feel my blood getting hotter.

26:27 Speaker 3: And he goes, you lied to him and you said

26:29 Speaker 3: you own this building, and you lied and you said

26:32 Speaker 3: you were getting I'm like, dude, please, oh yeah. It

26:36 Speaker 3: was crazy. And he looked. He literally looked at me.

26:38 Speaker 3: He's like, listen, I've had a really long day.

26:41 Speaker 1: Oh my god.

26:45 Speaker 4: So this is yeah my blood.

26:50 Speaker 3: This is where my blood went from boiling to just

26:53 Speaker 3: like overflowing the pot. And and I was like, you've

26:58 Speaker 3: had a long day.

26:58 Speaker 4: And I said, and I started.

26:59 Speaker 3: Runn my mouth and I shouldn't have run my mouth.

27:01 Speaker 3: And when I run my mouth, it runs. And then

27:04 Speaker 3: so he's like, you're on body cam right now, I'll

27:06 Speaker 3: arrest you right now. He had no reason to arrest me.

27:08 Speaker 2: I was.

27:08 Speaker 4: I wasn't threatening.

27:09 Speaker 3: So what I did was I leaned the stratocaster case

27:12 Speaker 3: on my leg and I put my hands up and

27:14 Speaker 3: I was like, go ahead and arrest me. If you're

27:16 Speaker 3: gonna arrest me, go ahead and just do it. Like

27:18 Speaker 3: he had no reason to, so he couldn't. And he

27:22 Speaker 3: grabbed the guitar, and he threw it toward my father's car. Oh,

27:28 Speaker 3: in defense of this officer, mister officer Earnhardt, I will say,

27:33 Speaker 3: in his defense, he didn't know what he was throwing. No,

27:36 Speaker 3: Like he shows up to a you know, cops have

27:38 Speaker 3: a hard job. They show up to like like scenes

27:41 Speaker 3: all the time. Like this guy's getting thrown out of

27:43 Speaker 3: his house. Grab his suitcase and get out of here,

27:46 Speaker 3: you know. So So in his defense, he didn't know

27:48 Speaker 3: what he was throwing, but he threw. Doesn't make it okay, though,

27:52 Speaker 3: And that's the point of this story. So he throws

27:54 Speaker 3: the guitar and that's when I lost my mind. He's

27:57 Speaker 3: still in the air, and I'm now I'm like all

28:00 Speaker 3: the things that you could say to a cop that

28:02 Speaker 3: you're not supposed to say, I'm saying, but I'm non threatening,

28:05 Speaker 3: like I wasn't doing anything wrong. And so finally, thank

28:11 Speaker 3: god it was my dad who was there, because because

28:13 Speaker 3: I would have ended up in cuffs out there. He

28:16 Speaker 3: was like, he grabbed the guitar, he put it in

28:18 Speaker 3: the car. He got me in the car and he's like,

28:20 Speaker 3: let's just go. I'm like, I have other stuff to

28:22 Speaker 3: get and the cops like, you're not going back in

28:24 Speaker 3: that building.

28:25 Speaker 4: It's crime scene.

28:25 Speaker 2: I'm like, you're other people, they're literally literally Connor, Connor, I, everybody,

28:32 Speaker 2: whoever else.

28:32 Speaker 4: He hadn't shown up yet.

28:34 Speaker 2: No, I showed up maybe about an hour after this

28:37 Speaker 2: all happened.

28:38 Speaker 4: I called him. I went home, like, I'm like screaming.

28:42 Speaker 2: Caleb's like, Jesus, yes I know. I'm just like now

28:45 Speaker 2: I have to now go and get all of the

28:47 Speaker 2: rest of the time as much as I could carry

28:49 Speaker 2: it out.

28:50 Speaker 3: And I'm not saying like I believe that Officer Earnhardt

28:54 Speaker 3: caused the scene, but but I didn't.

28:57 Speaker 2: But I was very much part of the scene. So

28:59 Speaker 2: I get home, I opened the case.

29:01 Speaker 3: I noticed at the back of I got to the

29:03 Speaker 3: back of the neck, the guitar is damaged and it's

29:08 Speaker 3: still being looked at.

29:09 Speaker 2: It could have been water damaged, but it's it's very

29:12 Speaker 2: likely a combination of both. So I took it and

29:17 Speaker 2: this this is a shameless plug. This is a shameless plug.

29:19 Speaker 2: And then then I'll talk about the salvage operations.

29:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, let me, but before you do that, sure, I

29:26 Speaker 3: noticed the guitar was damaged, so I did the right thing,

29:28 Speaker 3: and I filed police report against this officer for damaging

29:32 Speaker 3: our property. And I get a phone call two days

29:35 Speaker 3: later from what I just think is a supervisor.

29:37 Speaker 2: I didn't know that.

29:38 Speaker 3: I was talking to the captain of the National Police

29:40 Speaker 3: Department and he told us to come. He asked me

29:43 Speaker 3: to come down, and so I immediately called Caleb, grab

29:45 Speaker 3: the evidence. Let's go, because because Caleb's first like this

29:49 Speaker 3: was an impact that it could Yeah, he'll he'll.

29:52 Speaker 4: Tell you all about how the wood is on the

29:54 Speaker 4: guitar and all that.

29:55 Speaker 3: But we get to the police department and I said,

29:57 Speaker 3: I hope you don't mind I brought U. I brought

30:01 Speaker 3: my partner with me, and he goes, well, I would

30:03 Speaker 3: have liked to heads up. And then we sit down

30:05 Speaker 3: in the chair. What this guy thought was gonna be

30:08 Speaker 3: like he thought he was gonna reprimand me for yelling

30:10 Speaker 3: and being a bad boy. Oh but and he was like,

30:13 Speaker 3: you know, he was gonna throw a couple bucks because

30:15 Speaker 3: they do have funds in police departments, like if they

30:17 Speaker 3: have to kick in a door, yeah, during a fire

30:20 Speaker 3: or during during a scene, that the state or the

30:23 Speaker 3: city or the state will take care of, like the

30:25 Speaker 3: door hinges for the landlord and stuffy. So he thought

30:28 Speaker 3: it was just gonna be like a little okay, you

30:30 Speaker 3: shouldn't have been mean, and we're gonna like pay for something. Yeah,

30:35 Speaker 3: that's not what happened, though. I was like, no, no, no,

30:37 Speaker 3: your officer threw my guitar. He goes, well, I saw

30:41 Speaker 3: you on the bodycam footage and you weren't being nice.

30:44 Speaker 3: And I was like, I know it wasn't being nice,

30:45 Speaker 3: but my hands were in the air. I was not threatening.

30:48 Speaker 3: But did you happen to catch on the body cam

30:50 Speaker 3: footage your officer throwing the guitar?

30:52 Speaker 4: He's no, I didn't see that. I haven't talked to

30:54 Speaker 4: the officer yet.

30:55 Speaker 3: He just kept stumbling over himself because he thought he

30:57 Speaker 3: was just gonna slap some stupid long hair musician on

31:00 Speaker 3: the wrist, of course, but instead he got me, so

31:04 Speaker 3: I started unloading on him, not again, not knowing he was.

31:07 Speaker 4: I just thought he was like.

31:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, Supervisor, that was not smart. I know, I think

31:11 Speaker 2: I think you've assumed too much of Officer Welsh.

31:13 Speaker 4: Yeah.

31:15 Speaker 3: In any event, Officer Captain Welsh continuously told me to

31:22 Speaker 3: not say that his officer was lying, but if his

31:24 Speaker 3: officer said that he didn't throw the guitar. He's lying,

31:26 Speaker 3: you know, Like lying is very simple. If if you

31:28 Speaker 3: know something is the truth and you say the opposite, right,

31:31 Speaker 3: then that's a lie. So I kind of got into

31:34 Speaker 3: it with Welsh and they're they're now can his head dropped.

31:38 Speaker 3: He's like, this is not how I thought the conversation

31:41 Speaker 3: was going to go. Now I have to do an investigation.

31:43 Speaker 3: And he's, you know, given the whole you know, Officer

31:45 Speaker 3: earn Hard, he's a good guy, of course. I'm like,

31:49 Speaker 3: I'm like, look man, he's a good guy, and he

31:50 Speaker 3: made a mistake. This whole time, I've recognized that it

31:53 Speaker 3: was an accident. Sure, but if I hit your car

31:57 Speaker 3: tomorrow with my car and it's my fault, I have

32:00 Speaker 3: to pay for that accident. It was a reason they

32:02 Speaker 3: call it for calling an accent. We just want the

32:05 Speaker 3: guitar replays. That's it. I hope they do the.

32:07 Speaker 2: Right thing repair replaced that. Yeah, I I don't I

32:10 Speaker 2: don't really care which it is.

32:11 Speaker 3: But but then I brought Caleb with me and he

32:14 Speaker 3: talked to the this is where Caleb can.

32:16 Speaker 2: Get So we we had the meeting with Officer welch.

32:21 Speaker 2: I I'm of the opinion it probably could have gone better,

32:24 Speaker 2: but it's all good man, And and you know, I

32:29 Speaker 2: I just I explained to him. I was like, I

32:31 Speaker 2: checked out the guitar, and I was like, some of this, Yeah,

32:35 Speaker 2: the glue was loosened up by the water, but some

32:38 Speaker 2: of it to me kind of looks like impact that case.

32:42 Speaker 2: And I mean the case showed a little bit of

32:45 Speaker 2: scuffing on the top where the headstock would have been

32:48 Speaker 2: in the case, and that's probably the crappiest parts the

32:52 Speaker 2: thing to land on. But yeah, it's a Strats, a

32:55 Speaker 2: bolt neck guitar, and it's got a skunk stripe. So

32:58 Speaker 2: it's got the piece of wood on the back of

33:02 Speaker 2: the neck that contains the truss rod in there, and

33:05 Speaker 2: that piece had delaminated and kind of twisted a little bit.

33:10 Speaker 2: And usually if and I've seen some other flood damage

33:14 Speaker 2: strats and Telly's that have the skunk stripe, and usually

33:17 Speaker 2: what happens is the glue gets loosened up a little

33:19 Speaker 2: bit and it usually uniformly delaminates on one side or

33:24 Speaker 2: the other of the skunk stripe. Just yeah, because the

33:26 Speaker 2: pressure of the wood pushing against itself. It just wants

33:29 Speaker 2: to uniformly delaminate. It had kind of twisted in there,

33:33 Speaker 2: and I'm looking at it and I'm like, man that

33:36 Speaker 2: you know, yeah, water loosened it up, But I don't think.

33:40 Speaker 2: I don't think that that neck movement happened, but just

33:44 Speaker 2: by water water doing it, because I mean, I knew

33:47 Speaker 2: the guitar. The neck was pretty stable on the thing,

33:49 Speaker 2: and strangely, even with the impact the next stage barely stable,

33:55 Speaker 2: like the guitar wasn't in tune, but it definitely it

33:58 Speaker 2: definitely bare weird, Like I mean, the body of the

34:02 Speaker 2: guitar is totally fine. It's just the neck, Yeah, just

34:04 Speaker 2: the neck that got a little bit screwed. But yeah, yeah,

34:09 Speaker 2: the guitar repair, Yeah, I just just repaired. And I

34:11 Speaker 2: took it up And this is a shameless plug to

34:13 Speaker 2: the music text here in Manchester. They're great, great guys,

34:16 Speaker 2: do awesome work. I took it up to Doug McCormick

34:19 Speaker 2: and seth oh.

34:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I've known Doug a long time.

34:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Doug. Doug's fantastic.

34:25 Speaker 4: Yeah.

34:25 Speaker 2: And and Doug wasn't the one who looked at the

34:28 Speaker 2: strat really he he's going to handle another restoration project.

34:33 Speaker 2: It's actually the second time he's taking on this this guitar,

34:36 Speaker 2: because it's the second time it's been in total disrepair unfortunately.

34:40 Speaker 2: But the the fender, he uh or Seth looked at

34:44 Speaker 2: the fender and he was like, yeah, we can at

34:46 Speaker 2: the very word, you know, at the very worst, we'll

34:48 Speaker 2: just pop a new neck on it. Yeah, and then

34:50 Speaker 2: that'll be fine. And I'm sure he'll find a neck

34:53 Speaker 2: that's like, you know, within ninety percent similar.

34:56 Speaker 4: To to it.

34:57 Speaker 2: The one thing that we'll kind of suck about that

35:00 Speaker 2: we won't have the uh, the serial number on it.

35:03 Speaker 2: It was a it was a two thousand, two thousand neck,

35:05 Speaker 2: and you know, even if we replaced the neck, it

35:08 Speaker 2: permanently devalues the instrument. It's no longer you know, I

35:12 Speaker 2: mean that was it. Literally in twenty twenty five, that

35:15 Speaker 2: guitar became a VINTAGEY guitar twenty five, you know, crazy, Yeah,

35:19 Speaker 2: it's really really weird. I bought it a couple of

35:22 Speaker 2: years ago, you know, just as a used strat, just

35:26 Speaker 2: because the studio needed a strat. We needed something that

35:29 Speaker 2: was serviceable and was gonna last a long time.

35:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, got on every track. Really, it's every one of

35:36 Speaker 4: my tracks.

35:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, a ton of tunes. I can't think of one song,

35:40 Speaker 3: Yeah that I didn't. I mean, the strat is the

35:42 Speaker 3: most first stile guitar in the history of guitars.

35:45 Speaker 4: Arguably I disagree.

35:46 Speaker 2: With it well of course, but I mean it's most

35:51 Speaker 2: most certainly is one of one of the most iconic.

35:54 Speaker 2: I mean every you know, if you've ever heard Sweet

35:56 Speaker 2: Home Alabama, you've heard of Stratocaster.

35:58 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a picture. Jimmy Hendrick's right there with.

36:01 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you're right.

36:02 Speaker 4: You're right.

36:03 Speaker 2: Some of the most iconic songs you've ever heard. I

36:06 Speaker 2: recorded on one of them. And you know, I'm not

36:10 Speaker 2: even really a strat guy. Neither of us are. We

36:14 Speaker 2: just we just need one in the studio, you know.

36:17 Speaker 1: If you're just joining us, we have Jesse Rutstein and

36:19 Speaker 1: Caleb Dire. I almost sit it again, whatever, I just

36:24 Speaker 1: say Jesse and Caleb from records.

36:30 Speaker 4: So I didn't mean to we didn't. I'm sorry.

36:32 Speaker 3: No, I don't mean to get so off on that

36:35 Speaker 3: part of the story, because that is such a minuscule

36:37 Speaker 3: piece of this puzzle. Yeah, we just hope Nashvilla PD

36:40 Speaker 3: does the right thing, because I'm doing a lot of

36:43 Speaker 3: shows right now, and like the Bad Burger show that

36:49 Speaker 3: came out like they they just came out swinging. They

36:51 Speaker 3: don't they're not even they weren't even really associated with us.

36:55 Speaker 3: And he came out swinging, and then Peddlers came out,

36:57 Speaker 3: and then San Francisco Kitchen and Nashua. So between those

37:01 Speaker 3: three shows alone, we've done over seven thousand dollars. Yeah,

37:06 Speaker 3: and uh, you can donate through the Salvation Army, just

37:11 Speaker 3: so everybody knows. Eleanor from Terminus New Hampshire Underground set

37:15 Speaker 3: up a link where people can donate and between our

37:18 Speaker 3: contributions and people that have been coming to the shows,

37:24 Speaker 3: and we've raised all this money and we have a

37:27 Speaker 3: really big one coming up on February, February seventh, and

37:32 Speaker 3: and that's going to be at the Backstreet Bar and Grill.

37:34 Speaker 3: That's going to be like an all day festival style

37:37 Speaker 3: with some really great bands to be announced. So we

37:40 Speaker 3: haven't gotten confirmation on every band, but we do know

37:43 Speaker 3: that obviously I'm going to be there, The Faith and

37:46 Speaker 3: Band is going to be there. No More Blue Tomorrow's

37:49 Speaker 3: is going to be there, and and and if I'm

37:51 Speaker 3: I'm missing I know I'm missing people and I'm sorry

37:54 Speaker 3: dead Harrison.

37:54 Speaker 4: I'm wearing it. Yeah, shirt nice. They're going to be

37:58 Speaker 4: down there too. I would love to get that.

38:00 Speaker 2: I'm on that bill.

38:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're working with them. And then on the is

38:07 Speaker 3: it the sixteenth this month or seventeenth? See I had

38:10 Speaker 3: it already the sixteenth? Uh lazy who I am is

38:14 Speaker 3: putting on a show at Photies and she's having me

38:16 Speaker 3: come down and we're going to do a show at

38:18 Speaker 3: Photis that weekend also to benefit So excellent. The thing is, like,

38:24 Speaker 3: I just I really want to focus on because I'm

38:27 Speaker 3: not accepting any donations. Jesse rudstein Brand is not accepting

38:32 Speaker 3: any donations.

38:33 Speaker 4: No gofundmes. I didn't lose what other people lost, right.

38:37 Speaker 2: You know, we we are indirectly, we are taking donations.

38:42 Speaker 2: If you would like to donate Tree Streets, yes, if

38:44 Speaker 2: you If you would like to donate to the effort

38:47 Speaker 2: that we're putting on, it's through a Zephi link. Okay,

38:51 Speaker 2: not not a go the gofundmes that are out there,

38:53 Speaker 2: and please do donate to those as well if you

38:55 Speaker 2: are able. Those are all to benefit individual musicians. That

38:59 Speaker 2: we're in the building or bands or what have you.

39:03 Speaker 2: But the the only one, the only formal operation was us.

39:08 Speaker 2: We were the only one that had like some formal

39:11 Speaker 2: governance structure in any way, shape or form, And so

39:14 Speaker 2: we're trying to use that nonprofit status to receive donations,

39:18 Speaker 2: try to help people who donate to us, give you

39:20 Speaker 2: a tax receipt, you know, help you outcome tax time.

39:24 Speaker 2: But you know, uh so if you if you want

39:27 Speaker 2: to donate, we've got a zephy link we can point

39:29 Speaker 2: you to that. You can find it not only through

39:33 Speaker 2: Tree Streets stuff, but you can also find it through

39:35 Speaker 2: New Hampshire Underground and Ellen Orchishu was the one who

39:37 Speaker 2: set it up, but that any money given to that

39:40 Speaker 2: benefits Tree Streets Incorporated, which is David Patterson myself and

39:44 Speaker 2: where you know, if if you want to see where

39:47 Speaker 2: all the money's going, well, you know we're publishing that.

39:50 Speaker 1: So excellent good but yeah, it's we're doing we're doing

39:54 Speaker 1: some good, you know, and and it stinks that we

39:57 Speaker 1: have to.

39:58 Speaker 3: That's like, that's do Sorry, I'm getting like I wanted

40:02 Speaker 3: to release my record and start gigging in twenty twenty

40:05 Speaker 3: six to support it. Yeah, I couldn't wait. I couldn't wait,

40:10 Speaker 3: and a little bit of a delay. Well, but the

40:13 Speaker 3: amount of exposure that I'm getting from this fire is

40:17 Speaker 3: probably more than I would have got from the record.

40:20 Speaker 3: So I'm not trying to I'm not trying to capitalize

40:23 Speaker 3: on a horrible thing. I just it feels good to

40:27 Speaker 3: do right by the folks, absolutely, you know.

40:29 Speaker 4: And I just wish I didn't have to do that because.

40:32 Speaker 2: They they It's strange how the world works.

40:35 Speaker 4: It really is, man.

40:36 Speaker 2: I mean, we just you know, but we keep on

40:40 Speaker 2: keeping on, just.

40:41 Speaker 3: Keep it, keeping it all positive and looking looking to

40:45 Speaker 3: the future. Hatchet Action and Saw is not dead.

40:48 Speaker 4: We just burned. We just got burned. On a positive note.

40:51 Speaker 2: On a positive note, I have happy news to report

40:54 Speaker 2: about the equipment. So, as Jesse articulated earlier, we really

41:00 Speaker 2: didn't suffer any fire damage. In the basement. It's pretty

41:02 Speaker 2: much all water, so there was a lot of stuff

41:06 Speaker 2: that was submerged. However, one thing that is pretty good

41:09 Speaker 2: about some of these old electronics is that they're actually

41:12 Speaker 2: fairly resilient water damage, especially if you just let it

41:16 Speaker 2: dry out for a whole long time. So, yeah, the

41:21 Speaker 2: computer was toast, which sucks. However, the SSDs, we were

41:27 Speaker 2: able to rip them out of the computer and process

41:30 Speaker 2: that information onto a new machine excellent. So there's an

41:34 Speaker 2: immediate win. That's why we're going to be able to

41:36 Speaker 2: re release or release anything that we will be able

41:39 Speaker 2: to do come this March. In addition to that, I've

41:44 Speaker 2: been going through test and amplifiers. I just last night

41:47 Speaker 2: played a gig with a V four B that we

41:50 Speaker 2: had down there, very very nice base amp costs quite

41:53 Speaker 2: a bit of money, and two by fifteen, a vintage

41:56 Speaker 2: acoustic two by fifteen cab based cab, and that base

42:01 Speaker 2: rig absolutely slams. And that head was totally completely submerged,

42:06 Speaker 2: no kidding, totally submerged water, totally underwater when I when

42:10 Speaker 2: I grabbed it out of the basement, there were at

42:12 Speaker 2: least three inches of water on top of where the

42:15 Speaker 2: handle was. Oh my god, you know, yeah, so it

42:18 Speaker 2: totally submerged in that amp. When I turned it on

42:20 Speaker 2: yesterday before I went to or I should say two

42:24 Speaker 2: days ago testing it for yesterday. When I played the gig,

42:28 Speaker 2: it just fired up.

42:29 Speaker 4: That's amazing, fired.

42:31 Speaker 2: Right up, and and man it you know, thumped all

42:34 Speaker 2: the same that's incredible. And I'm expecting that most of

42:39 Speaker 2: the amplifiers, given that I've given them about four weeks

42:42 Speaker 2: to dry out, most of the amplifiers I think are

42:44 Speaker 2: going to turn on. I haven't tested them all. I've

42:47 Speaker 2: tested the the an amplifier that we literally bought in

42:53 Speaker 2: three days before the fire.

42:55 Speaker 4: Oh really yeah, yeah.

42:56 Speaker 2: It was a nineteen sixty eight La Fayette is a

42:59 Speaker 2: nice old vintage jamp. I bought it out in Swansea

43:01 Speaker 2: off of a guy who was an AMP technician, and

43:03 Speaker 2: he knew what he had, but he was just like, yeah,

43:06 Speaker 2: I'm willing to I'm willing to let this go and

43:08 Speaker 2: and go to go to a good home. And I

43:11 Speaker 2: had put it down there, I had, I had play

43:13 Speaker 2: tested it, and you know, and then the fire happens

43:17 Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, I hope that thing survives. The way

43:21 Speaker 2: that the amp is designed, it's like taller than it

43:23 Speaker 2: is wide, so the amp never actually saw water. Actually

43:29 Speaker 2: fire didn't. The speakers did. The lower speakers saw water,

43:34 Speaker 2: but the actual amp was totally untouched. And I that

43:38 Speaker 2: was one of the first amps that I tested and

43:41 Speaker 2: it just fired right up. There's a lot of stuff

43:44 Speaker 2: like that. Some stuff that's a little more questionable. Unfortunately,

43:48 Speaker 2: both of my keyboards were totally submerged even in their

43:52 Speaker 2: road cases. The b X three, which is a vintage

43:56 Speaker 2: eighties like Cord BX three very it's yeah right, literally

44:02 Speaker 2: can't be replaced. They stopped making them, and it can

44:07 Speaker 2: find what it costs more than yeah, yeah we should

44:09 Speaker 2: be spending on yeah, more than what we should be

44:12 Speaker 2: spending on that. And that thing got soaked and it's

44:15 Speaker 2: still buried in rice right now. Yeah, so I'm gonna

44:18 Speaker 2: have to go and vacuum that all.

44:20 Speaker 1: Oh so in theory there might be hope still, so so.

44:23 Speaker 4: No matter, that seems to be the theme.

44:25 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it's it's miraculous that all these things are surviving.

44:30 Speaker 2: I followed all of the procedures and protocols for for

44:34 Speaker 2: salvage and electronics. Man, so there's there's a high likelihood

44:37 Speaker 2: that it will turn on, okay, even if it doesn't

44:41 Speaker 2: work one hundred percent. Because this thing was built in

44:44 Speaker 2: like nineteen eighty three in Japan. There was actually some

44:47 Speaker 2: Japanese person that point to point wired this whole thing,

44:50 Speaker 2: so you know, it's not built like a modern PCBU

44:55 Speaker 2: board equipment. So it's it's it's definitely only salvageable no

45:01 Speaker 2: matter what. It's a matter of how much money do

45:03 Speaker 2: you want to sink repairing it. But those sorts of

45:06 Speaker 2: things are worth putting it into. The The other major

45:13 Speaker 2: thing which I got a shout out to my my father,

45:16 Speaker 2: Mitch Dyer. He he came down in a couple of

45:20 Speaker 2: days and he helped lug out the HAM and B

45:22 Speaker 2: three that we had down there, and that that if

45:25 Speaker 2: if I mean, if listeners out there, no ham and

45:28 Speaker 2: B three under normal circumstances, generally takes about four people

45:31 Speaker 2: to move it safely, and to have one that's water

45:34 Speaker 2: logged and all kinds of screwed up. Yeah, it was rough. However,

45:40 Speaker 2: because my father is a mechanical genius, we basically were

45:45 Speaker 2: able to do it with two people. Yeah. The way

45:47 Speaker 2: we rigged it up, you know, we locked on the

45:50 Speaker 2: tone wheel and did all we had to do to

45:51 Speaker 2: get ready to move. But we we rigged up a

45:55 Speaker 2: chain fall and we just we we took in the building.

45:58 Speaker 2: There's some four inch cap iron pipe that's just like

46:01 Speaker 2: hanging for for drain lines and stuff. Yeah, just old

46:04 Speaker 2: old cast iron pipe. It's stuff that guys wouldn't use today.

46:07 Speaker 2: But it was perfect for us because we could rig

46:10 Speaker 2: up all kinds of like toast wrapping and chain fall

46:12 Speaker 2: up there and we could support the weight of this organ.

46:15 Speaker 2: Just oh my god, that four inch cast iron pipe

46:17 Speaker 2: with the hang.

46:18 Speaker 4: Oh yeah wow.

46:19 Speaker 2: So so it only took two of us to to

46:21 Speaker 2: actually move it up and out. Do you have video

46:23 Speaker 2: of that?

46:23 Speaker 4: Did you take video?

46:24 Speaker 2: Yeah? So we didn't take video, but we we we

46:26 Speaker 2: got pictures of the rig and it kind of surprised

46:30 Speaker 2: people because we did put out a call to help.

46:32 Speaker 2: That morning, I put out a Facebook post like, hey,

46:35 Speaker 2: if anyone has extra time this to make this safe,

46:39 Speaker 2: you know, really even just a pair of eyes or

46:41 Speaker 2: what have you. But but no, we we got it done,

46:45 Speaker 2: just just the two of us. Amazing and yeah, we

46:50 Speaker 2: we we absolutely did make it out of there with

46:53 Speaker 2: that B three within a couple of days that that

46:56 Speaker 2: that thing is uh, it's gonna get rebuilt. It's going

46:59 Speaker 2: to go down. And here's another shameless plug to someone

47:02 Speaker 2: who doesn't get nearly enough recognition in the Keys community,

47:06 Speaker 2: Tyler dre Bick down in Somerville at Boss, Oregon. He's

47:10 Speaker 2: actually originally from up here in New Hampshire and he

47:14 Speaker 2: does incredible work. He's he's probably and I mean I

47:17 Speaker 2: think he knows this. He's one of the foremost Hammond

47:20 Speaker 2: organ techs in the world. He you know, he does

47:24 Speaker 2: ham and teching for you know, touring act guy guys

47:27 Speaker 2: in touring acts, you you know, and he's gonna be

47:32 Speaker 2: the one who's gonna be taken on the job. I

47:34 Speaker 2: get to deliver the organ to him at the end

47:37 Speaker 2: of the month, end of January or maybe beginning. It

47:40 Speaker 2: kind of depends on when his space exactly frees up.

47:43 Speaker 3: But one of the one of the most amazing things

47:47 Speaker 3: about this situation that just landed in my lap five

47:50 Speaker 3: years ago being a part of Tree Streets Incorporated, Uh,

47:55 Speaker 3: not only just the support from Dave and Caleb, but

47:58 Speaker 3: the fact that we had things like a Ham and

48:01 Speaker 3: B three with a Leslie rotating cab at our fingertips. Nowadays,

48:06 Speaker 3: when you hear organ in the song, if you hear

48:08 Speaker 3: organ in the song, it's it's usually just like a

48:11 Speaker 3: setting and it's fine, like that's what we do when

48:14 Speaker 3: we play live. But on Lost in It All featuring

48:18 Speaker 3: Faith in the single that's the single that's uh that

48:21 Speaker 3: we're trying to get rolling. Yeah, that's a real organ

48:25 Speaker 3: on Dear Baby Gene, which which is a a what

48:29 Speaker 3: didn't start as as a song that was going to

48:31 Speaker 3: be prominently organ driven. It's a real hamm. And it's like,

48:35 Speaker 3: it's like what raymn Zeric used on those Doors records.

48:39 Speaker 2: Well, no, he used a vox but yeah, stop correcting me.

48:43 Speaker 4: Not that wasn't it. That wasn't a B three.

48:47 Speaker 2: No, No, he used a Vox Continental but no, kidding,

48:50 Speaker 2: show my ignorance and a Fender Rhodes based baby. I

48:54 Speaker 2: knew about the Fender room.

48:56 Speaker 3: But in any event, it's the fact that we had

49:01 Speaker 3: all these wonderful instruments and what Caleb and Dave put together.

49:06 Speaker 2: It's if you build it, they will come, and I did.

49:10 Speaker 4: Yeah. But so so we.

49:14 Speaker 3: Dug into the computer computer's fried hard drive is okay

49:17 Speaker 3: yet means we have all the stems for all the songs.

49:21 Speaker 4: Good.

49:22 Speaker 3: And so the title track of the of the album

49:25 Speaker 3: that was meant to be Superhero Toys and it's a

49:28 Speaker 3: song about my son, my son's actually and they were

49:34 Speaker 3: on the track, so I like, I don't want to

49:38 Speaker 3: give too much away about the song. But at the

49:40 Speaker 3: end of the song, we repeat the chorus and all

49:44 Speaker 3: the kids are on it, and we do some like

49:47 Speaker 3: Pink Floyd's style, like recordings in the background of kids,

49:50 Speaker 3: like like stuff throughout the years. So but one thing

49:53 Speaker 3: that was really special to me was Junior's my son.

49:58 Speaker 3: He's twenty. He's a marine, so he's not around, and

50:01 Speaker 3: he wanted to take I have my son Jackson on

50:05 Speaker 3: the track. The last verse is about when he's born

50:09 Speaker 3: and how me and Junior now like it's our job

50:11 Speaker 3: to make him a man. And he sang on this

50:15 Speaker 3: track two years ago when we started it, and we

50:17 Speaker 3: just kind of never finished it, but we decided to

50:20 Speaker 3: add it to the record and it ended up becoming

50:23 Speaker 3: the title track, and so Jackson sang on it again

50:27 Speaker 3: when he was fourteen. So that's the kind of stuff

50:30 Speaker 3: I was scared to lose, having him at eleven singing

50:34 Speaker 3: on the track, and then having him at fourteen, so

50:37 Speaker 3: both of those voices were there, like, I can't get

50:40 Speaker 3: him at eleven again, I can have him redo the

50:42 Speaker 3: track tomorrow we set up. So those are the things

50:46 Speaker 3: that I was thinking about, and honestly, I felt selfish

50:51 Speaker 3: every time I thought about it, because these people lost

50:54 Speaker 3: their homes. I lost some songs, but I got a

50:56 Speaker 3: roof in a bed, which is one of the main

50:58 Speaker 3: reasons why I was like laser focused on making sure

51:02 Speaker 3: people knew that I wasn't taking money from this. I

51:06 Speaker 3: want to make sure people know that we are doing

51:08 Speaker 3: everything we can to help the folks that no longer

51:11 Speaker 3: have a roof in a bed, like they were getting

51:13 Speaker 3: put up at the old the old middle school, Elm Street,

51:17 Speaker 3: that's where that's where they were staying.

51:19 Speaker 2: Like I was staying in my room, you know what

51:21 Speaker 2: I mean?

51:22 Speaker 4: Like I was. I was cooking breakfast the next day

51:24 Speaker 4: in my kitchen. You know, so so I.

51:28 Speaker 3: But but now that we are making sure that in

51:31 Speaker 3: the Salvation Army has been great. I forget the gentleman's

51:34 Speaker 3: name that was the contact. I believe it's Dave something.

51:37 Speaker 3: But he's working closely with the families to make sure

51:40 Speaker 3: that that all our donations are going through and good.

51:45 Speaker 3: Now now that and I jokingly said, like the first

51:49 Speaker 3: week after all this, because any anybody who sees me,

51:52 Speaker 3: so you have the news, you know what's going on

51:54 Speaker 3: with the fire all, I like, I'm like, I'll be

51:57 Speaker 3: sad next month about my music because I thought it

51:59 Speaker 3: was gone, and now it's my month to be sad about.

52:03 Speaker 3: You know, I could be a little bit selfish. And

52:06 Speaker 3: I get a text from Dave the other night. I

52:08 Speaker 3: was literally out having a couple a couple drinks at

52:12 Speaker 3: the blues Blues bar, and I look I looked down

52:15 Speaker 3: at the phone and Dave sent me a message with

52:18 Speaker 3: all my folders.

52:19 Speaker 4: Yeah wow, man, I cried. I cried at the bar.

52:24 Speaker 3: I don't even yeah wow, just like tears filled my

52:28 Speaker 3: eyes and it's all there.

52:30 Speaker 4: It's all there. You don't know when we're going to

52:32 Speaker 4: mix it.

52:33 Speaker 3: I'm gonna put a I'm gonna put a date on

52:35 Speaker 3: it at some point. But right now, what we're going

52:37 Speaker 3: to do is we're going to re release my EP

52:41 Speaker 3: with merchandise and start getting out there and playing it live.

52:45 Speaker 3: So the re release is uh for me personally, this

52:49 Speaker 3: is this is this is just my plug, not a

52:51 Speaker 3: not a benefit. My re release is on February ninth,

52:55 Speaker 3: we're re releasing the EP, and then on March seventh

52:58 Speaker 3: at Bad Burger, we're doing a record release party or

53:02 Speaker 3: an EP release party. My full band will be there

53:07 Speaker 3: and we have two wonderful bands that are gonna be

53:10 Speaker 3: on the bill as well. The tumble Toads and the

53:13 Speaker 3: Faith and Band are gonna also be there on the

53:16 Speaker 3: seventh of March at Bad Burger and we are gonna

53:19 Speaker 3: that's gonna be a party. It's gonna be a ticketed event.

53:22 Speaker 3: There'll be money at the door and merchandise, so if

53:25 Speaker 3: you want a shirt with my ugly mug on it,

53:27 Speaker 3: you can come down and check it out. But we're

53:31 Speaker 3: really really excited to I'm excited to be releasing it.

53:37 Speaker 3: Wanted Superhero Toys to be on it. Like the seventeenth

53:40 Speaker 3: of December was when it was supposed to come out,

53:42 Speaker 3: my son's birthday.

53:43 Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

53:45 Speaker 3: Every one of my releases has has a meeting, even

53:48 Speaker 3: February ninth.

53:49 Speaker 4: I'm like, I want to release in February. What's a

53:51 Speaker 4: good February date? We'll it have.

53:52 Speaker 3: February ninth happens to be the sixty third anniversary of

53:56 Speaker 3: when the greatest band of all time appeared on the

53:58 Speaker 3: Ed Sullivan Show and change rock and roll, you know,

54:02 Speaker 3: and and and pretty much made me want to do.

54:05 Speaker 4: What I want to do, you know, yeah, through my

54:07 Speaker 4: father and stuff. Yeah, excuse me.

54:10 Speaker 3: So everything, everything has a special date, but I really

54:13 Speaker 3: wanted to come out on the seventeenth. Yeah, it's not

54:15 Speaker 3: gonna but buckle up, everybody. Twenty twenty six, we're we're ripping.

54:20 Speaker 2: It and you might even get a single release of

54:22 Speaker 2: one of my originals that made it through nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

54:26 Speaker 2: there's some uh some music of mine that is as

54:31 Speaker 2: of yet unheard by the words. Okay, okay, I absolutely

54:35 Speaker 2: wonder this. This fire has kind of made me realize

54:37 Speaker 2: that I should probably just publish it.

54:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, good, good, Well we look forward to that, guys.

54:43 Speaker 1: We're almost out of time. I'm thinking, uh, I was

54:45 Speaker 1: going to close out the segment, we'll play Lost in

54:46 Speaker 1: It all. I know that single with faith and got

54:49 Speaker 1: that cute up and ready. Anything you want to just

54:52 Speaker 1: remind people before we wrap up the hour, what what

54:54 Speaker 1: they should know about what's coming up?

54:56 Speaker 2: Well, if you'd like to catch me tonight, I'm actually

54:59 Speaker 2: gonna be playing it ten pm tonight.

55:02 Speaker 4: Yep.

55:03 Speaker 2: I'll be with the brad New Bay Bands. Kind of

55:04 Speaker 2: a weird bill. It was like two metal bands and

55:06 Speaker 2: then a blues band in the middle of it. Okay,

55:08 Speaker 2: you know, but if you want to catch forty five

55:11 Speaker 2: minute set of some some Ripping Blues tonight ten pm.

55:15 Speaker 2: Nice also, uh, actually no, that's it, never mind.

55:21 Speaker 3: I would love to end the segment by saying thank

55:24 Speaker 3: you to everybody who supported me, from family, friends, other musicians,

55:29 Speaker 3: are our community, our music community in.

55:31 Speaker 2: Southern New Hampshire is uh is really special.

55:35 Speaker 4: Agreed?

55:35 Speaker 3: And and you know you got Gary coming in next

55:38 Speaker 3: and there is in the hallways. That guy's in every

55:41 Speaker 3: single band in the music community.

55:44 Speaker 1: I always say he's the busiest musician I know.

55:46 Speaker 2: I really be playing with Gary soon. Yeah, excellent, another week.

55:50 Speaker 3: So I want to say thank you to the bands,

55:53 Speaker 3: to Eleanor and Terminus Underground. I want to say thank

55:57 Speaker 3: you to to family and friends who have supported us,

56:00 Speaker 3: anybody who's donated, and and everybody that's keeping this, keeping

56:04 Speaker 3: this rolling.

56:05 Speaker 1: Thank you, absolutely, thank you, well said guys, thank you,

56:08 Speaker 1: thank you for coming in. And this has been this

56:10 Speaker 1: has been wonderful.