Jessie Kilguss | Matt Connarton Unleashed

0:00 Speaker 1: It's a great track. I love that. That is Fool's

0:02 Speaker 1: Fight by Jesse Kilgus and we're going to be talking

0:04 Speaker 1: to Jesse in just a moment. Welcome everybody. We have

0:06 Speaker 1: entered our number three of Matt Connorton Unleashed and we

0:10 Speaker 1: are live from the studios of w m n H

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0:16 Speaker 1: Today is Saturday, December thirteenth, twenty twenty five. Genius here

0:21 Speaker 1: at the news table book and let's see joining us,

0:25 Speaker 1: joining us via WhatsApp. Jesse Kilgus is here. Jesse can

0:29 Speaker 1: you hear us?

0:30 Speaker 2: Yes, I ken, can you hear me?

0:32 Speaker 1: Absolutely? Yes, you sound great. Welcome to the show.

0:35 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you so much.

0:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that song. It's it's one of those

0:38 Speaker 1: things you just kind of sway to, you know when

0:40 Speaker 1: you hear it. That's really really good. Thank you also,

0:44 Speaker 1: so we we love your sound. Also excited to talk

0:47 Speaker 1: to you because we were playing actually I played at

0:50 Speaker 1: the end of the last hour Win by Charlie neland

0:54 Speaker 1: because I was very as I was reading about you,

0:56 Speaker 1: I was quite pleased to see that that you've worked

0:59 Speaker 1: with Charlie because he was actually on the show with

1:02 Speaker 1: us recently and we had a fascinating conversation. He's an

1:04 Speaker 1: amazing guy. Oh great, but he's he's your producer? Is

1:08 Speaker 1: that correct?

1:09 Speaker 3: Well, he produced this record.

1:11 Speaker 1: Yeah.

1:11 Speaker 3: I've worked with multiple different people on all the different

1:15 Speaker 3: records I've made, but Charlie and I have been working

1:17 Speaker 3: on and off for almost twenty years.

1:19 Speaker 1: Oh no, kidding, wow, yeah, Oh that's amazing.

1:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, he produced this one.

1:25 Speaker 1: What is it about? What is it about working with

1:27 Speaker 1: Charlie that brings out because the record is great? They

1:30 Speaker 1: have a Howard Johnson's there. I love it. What is

1:32 Speaker 1: it about? What is it about working with Charlie that

1:35 Speaker 1: brings out out this great music in you?

1:38 Speaker 3: Well, Charlie's just multi talented, plays a bunch of different

1:43 Speaker 3: instruments and is a great engineer and producer. Yeah. But yeah,

1:48 Speaker 3: but I'm a wonderful person too, So he's just very

1:51 Speaker 3: easy to work with.

1:52 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, no, that makes sense. That makes sense. And

1:55 Speaker 1: tell us about the title, by the way of the album.

1:58 Speaker 1: I love the title. There's a how they have a

2:00 Speaker 1: Howard Johnson's there.

2:02 Speaker 3: So that's a line from my song Howard Johnson's and

2:05 Speaker 3: I wrote that song. I took a poetry writing workshop

2:09 Speaker 3: with the performance artist Karen Finley, and the theme of

2:12 Speaker 3: the workshop was Dog Day Afternoon and oh, we had

2:17 Speaker 3: to watch the movie and then we had this poetry

2:19 Speaker 3: workshop inspired by that and this. I took this workshop

2:21 Speaker 3: about a month after my father died. And his name

2:24 Speaker 3: was Howard. And there's a line in the movie where

2:27 Speaker 3: al Pacino says something like I'm going to Algeria they have.

2:31 Speaker 2: A Howard Johnson's or something.

2:33 Speaker 3: I just really stood out to me because my dad's

2:35 Speaker 3: name was Howard, and it was just so ridiculous too,

2:37 Speaker 3: the line, Yeah, yeah, I wrote a song kind of

2:40 Speaker 3: based around that.

2:41 Speaker 1: Oh that's cool. That's funny too. That's such a great film.

2:44 Speaker 1: But I haven't watched it in so long, and I

2:46 Speaker 1: didn't I didn't even remember that line until you said it.

2:49 Speaker 2: It holds up. It's such a good movie.

2:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it does. It does absolutely, absolutely, And what

2:55 Speaker 1: can you tell us about Fools Fight? That's a great track.

2:58 Speaker 1: I really like that, As I mentioned, thank you, Yeah.

3:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's you know.

3:02 Speaker 3: That was kind of inspired a little bit by some

3:04 Speaker 3: books I was reading by Ellena Ferrante, but it's also

3:07 Speaker 3: inspired by my own life and experiences. But I have

3:12 Speaker 3: a songwriting club with my friend Rembert Block, who sings

3:15 Speaker 3: back up on that song. Okay, she's a great singer, songwriter,

3:18 Speaker 3: multi instrumentalist. She and I have a club of two people.

3:22 Speaker 3: We meet every month and have to share a new song. Okay,

3:24 Speaker 3: So that song came out of that process, which is

3:29 Speaker 3: really useful to have, you know, a deadline every month. Yeah.

3:33 Speaker 1: I'm curious about that because that's such an interesting concept

3:36 Speaker 1: to me, because is it like, because obviously everybody writes differently.

3:40 Speaker 1: Some people like to Some people need to feel a

3:43 Speaker 1: little bit of pressure, you know, to really get then writing.

3:46 Speaker 1: Some some people can't stop writing, and they actually write

3:50 Speaker 1: more music than they could ever or books or whatever

3:52 Speaker 1: it is, than they could ever actually use. Like, do

3:55 Speaker 1: you find that useful to have that little bit of pressure,

3:57 Speaker 1: like to have that deadline.

3:59 Speaker 3: I do. We've been Remembert and I have had this

4:01 Speaker 3: club for over two years now.

4:03 Speaker 2: It's really useful. Just sometimes I feel.

4:07 Speaker 3: More productive with writing and like I have more ideas.

4:09 Speaker 3: But sometimes it's just useful to flex the muscle, even

4:12 Speaker 3: if I don't like the song.

4:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, it comes out of it.

4:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it kind of forced well, obviously, and

4:18 Speaker 1: you know it's a successful partnership. Clearly. Are any of

4:23 Speaker 1: the other songs on the album did they also come

4:25 Speaker 1: out of that?

4:27 Speaker 3: Yes, Saint Teresa in Ecstasy came from that process.

4:33 Speaker 2: Hm, what else is on there? Yeah?

4:36 Speaker 3: I think all of them except for Howard Johnson's.

4:38 Speaker 1: Oh no kidding? Okay, Yeah, excellent, excellent? And what about

4:43 Speaker 1: your approach? You know, I was I was reading something about,

4:46 Speaker 1: you know, a nostalgia clever layered nostalgia online. I mean,

4:52 Speaker 1: is that is that something that that you might have

4:54 Speaker 1: said or I forget exactly where I saw that As

4:58 Speaker 1: I was researching you, I thought you had said something

5:00 Speaker 1: about that somewhere.

5:01 Speaker 2: That doesn't ring a bell?

5:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, but.

5:05 Speaker 3: I think that, you know, some of my songs are

5:08 Speaker 3: can be pretty nostalgic.

5:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah.

5:12 Speaker 1: Well it's funny though, because there's almost a timelessness to

5:14 Speaker 1: it in a way, like you listen to a song

5:17 Speaker 1: like Fool's Fight and that could that could have been

5:20 Speaker 1: any time? Really, you know, that's obviously it's it's a

5:23 Speaker 1: current song, but it could have been you know, it

5:25 Speaker 1: could have been ten, twenty, thirty years ago, and it

5:27 Speaker 1: would fit in any era. If that makes sense, and

5:31 Speaker 1: which which I think is cool when you have something

5:33 Speaker 1: that it could it could have come out anytime and

5:36 Speaker 1: it would have sounded relevant to that period.

5:39 Speaker 2: Oh cool, that's a that's a really nice compliment. Thank you.

5:43 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, no, like I said, I mean, and the

5:44 Speaker 1: whole thing is it sounds like that to me. It

5:46 Speaker 1: kind of reminds me a little bit of you know,

5:48 Speaker 1: it's funny. I remember when I was a kid and

5:50 Speaker 1: the MTV had a show called one hundred and twenty

5:52 Speaker 1: Minutes on Sunday nights, and it was two hours of

5:55 Speaker 1: It was two hours of music that you wouldn't necessarily

5:57 Speaker 1: hear on mainstream radio at that time. And uh and

6:01 Speaker 1: a lot of the music, you know, the alternative music

6:04 Speaker 1: from that period. I remember it. It had that sort

6:06 Speaker 1: of sort of that timeless thing about it where it

6:09 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this is this is something happening now

6:12 Speaker 1: that's not in the mainstream, but this could have this

6:15 Speaker 1: could have happened ten years ago and it would have

6:17 Speaker 1: sounded you know, or maybe it would happen in the

6:18 Speaker 1: future and it would sound good. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

6:23 Speaker 1: I'm also really curious to ask about your acting career.

6:26 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, sure, that's that's interesting to me. And and

6:29 Speaker 1: and I'm very interested too in how that informs your

6:32 Speaker 1: approach to music or or whether you kind of compartmentalize

6:35 Speaker 1: all that as some people do, or or or you know,

6:38 Speaker 1: or do the two kind of influence each other.

6:42 Speaker 3: Well, I don't act anymore. It used to be my prime,

6:45 Speaker 3: primary art forum. I haven't acted in about twenty years.

6:48 Speaker 3: I all wound out on it, Okay, but I did

6:50 Speaker 3: I did, you know, go to college and graduate school

6:54 Speaker 3: for it. And I did work professionally on the stage

6:57 Speaker 3: in England, and I did one movie The Crew with

7:00 Speaker 3: Daniel da Lewis and went on a writer and yeah,

7:04 Speaker 3: but I had this amazing experience working on it. I

7:09 Speaker 3: was part of a Tom Waits musical that the star

7:12 Speaker 3: was Mary and Faithful and the other star was Mary

7:14 Speaker 3: Margaret O'Hara, who's another amazing songwriter, singer, songwriter Canadian. If

7:18 Speaker 3: you don't know her, she's worth looking up. And the

7:23 Speaker 3: band of that show was incredible. The music was by

7:25 Speaker 3: Tom Waits, and the band was all these musicians who

7:29 Speaker 3: had worked with all of my favorite musicians, and Mary

7:33 Speaker 3: and Faithful was one of my favorite singers at the time,

7:36 Speaker 3: and It was an incredible experience, and it made me

7:40 Speaker 3: think that I wanted to maybe not act anymore real

7:44 Speaker 3: kind of yeah, and that's when I started to think

7:47 Speaker 3: about focusing on music more because I have always been

7:50 Speaker 3: a singer. But yeah, and in terms of how my

7:56 Speaker 3: acting life background performed informs my writing. I think creativity

8:01 Speaker 3: is just seamless and you can direct it towards any

8:06 Speaker 3: art form. So it's the same energy I use for

8:12 Speaker 3: same energy I would have used for acting. Just I

8:14 Speaker 3: funnel into music, okay, and.

8:16 Speaker 2: I perform live all the time.

8:18 Speaker 3: I still really love performing as a singer, so so

8:24 Speaker 3: that kind of informs my performance style.

8:29 Speaker 2: When background in acting.

8:31 Speaker 1: When you were really heavy with the acting career, when

8:34 Speaker 1: when that was your primary focus, was it always kind

8:37 Speaker 1: of in the back of your mind that maybe you

8:40 Speaker 1: might sort of switch to a different modality with your

8:43 Speaker 1: creativity or.

8:44 Speaker 3: Or you know, or yeah, I've always been interested in

8:47 Speaker 3: creative writing, and I've always been a singer, so it's

8:51 Speaker 3: and I never really liked musical theater. I mean, a

8:55 Speaker 3: Tom Waits musical is different than a regular musical theater.

9:00 Speaker 3: But so it was always in the back of my

9:03 Speaker 3: mind what to do about music how to incorporate it

9:06 Speaker 3: into my life.

9:07 Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, okay, okay, very good, very good. So then

9:10 Speaker 1: it was so that it was working on that musical

9:12 Speaker 1: that made you think, Okay, that's the that that kind

9:15 Speaker 1: of gave you a push more into that direction. Yeah.

9:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I and after that musical, I actually had

9:21 Speaker 3: to move back to the States from England, Okay, And

9:25 Speaker 3: because I would get a visa for every acting job

9:28 Speaker 3: I got there, but I couldn't get an overriding visa

9:30 Speaker 3: to just like get a job while I wasn't acting,

9:33 Speaker 3: and so so that was tricky, and I decided to

9:36 Speaker 3: move back to the States. And the acting world in

9:38 Speaker 3: the States is very different from in Europe, and so

9:42 Speaker 3: I just kind of fell out of love with that

9:45 Speaker 3: and started experimenting with music.

9:48 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Yeah.

9:50 Speaker 1: When when you say the acting world is very different

9:52 Speaker 1: in the United States, what do you mean? I mean,

9:54 Speaker 1: you don't have to you don't have to get too

9:56 Speaker 1: far into the weeds. But I'm just I'm just curious.

9:58 Speaker 3: I feel like it's more of a inspected art form.

10:01 Speaker 3: In the UK, especially, there's a real tradition of you know,

10:06 Speaker 3: going to drama school and studying the craft, which I

10:10 Speaker 3: loved and.

10:12 Speaker 2: Here it's very commercial.

10:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense, that makes sense.

10:18 Speaker 2: Yeah.

10:18 Speaker 1: What was it like working with Tom Waits? He seems

10:20 Speaker 1: like he's probably an intense guy, but I don't know.

10:23 Speaker 3: Well, he actually wasn't part of our production. He advised

10:28 Speaker 3: from Afar because this was in London and it was

10:31 Speaker 3: a remount of The Black Writer, which I think was

10:33 Speaker 3: first done in the nineties. Oh. The director was Robert Wilson,

10:37 Speaker 3: who just passed away, and it was written by Tom

10:40 Speaker 3: Waits and William Burrows gotch Yeah, but Tom Waits wasn't

10:45 Speaker 3: part of the rehearsal process.

10:46 Speaker 1: Oh okay, interesting. Interesting. Yeah. So then so then when

10:50 Speaker 1: you came back to the United States, I mean, was

10:53 Speaker 1: that was it right away that you that you got

10:56 Speaker 1: out of acting or did you kind of work your

10:58 Speaker 1: way out slowly or.

11:00 Speaker 2: It was gradual I would say, within a year or so.

11:03 Speaker 3: Yeah.

11:04 Speaker 1: Wow.

11:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I stopped liking it. Yeah, And I

11:08 Speaker 3: feel like it's such a tricky profession that if I

11:11 Speaker 3: figured if I wasn't enjoying it, then it wasn't worth

11:14 Speaker 3: putting my energy into anymore.

11:16 Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, I mean everything always looks so glamorous from

11:19 Speaker 1: the outside, right, but when you're actually doing it, you know,

11:22 Speaker 1: people don't see what really goes into it. Yeah, and

11:26 Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, I can imagine it's you know, it's

11:29 Speaker 1: enormously challenging when you so, when you made that switch,

11:35 Speaker 1: you know, and then you're doing music, did you ever

11:38 Speaker 1: or maybe even today, like, do you ever think back

11:41 Speaker 1: and do you ever feel like getting back into acting

11:44 Speaker 1: or is that definitely completely behind you?

11:47 Speaker 2: It's definitely completely behind me. Yeah.

11:49 Speaker 3: I just burnt out on it, and the whole idea

11:53 Speaker 3: of that makes me feel uncomfortable. Yeah yeah, yeah, so no,

11:58 Speaker 3: I mean if somebody offered me a million dollars to

12:00 Speaker 3: be in a movie, I would do it.

12:01 Speaker 1: Well, of course, yeah yeah. Somebody offered you a role

12:04 Speaker 1: in a superhero franchise or something, you know, you'd have

12:07 Speaker 1: to say yes to that.

12:08 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but but yeah, I've I put that to

12:14 Speaker 3: rest a while ago, and I haven't looked back.

12:16 Speaker 2: Yeah.

12:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well you're on a great path now. Like I said,

12:19 Speaker 1: I love, I love what you're doing. Have do you

12:23 Speaker 1: do you write any song? Like have you written any

12:25 Speaker 1: specific songs about your experience in acting?

12:30 Speaker 2: I have not?

12:31 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah, no, I haven't, but you know what

12:37 Speaker 3: I am doing now also in addition to music, is

12:39 Speaker 3: I just trained to be a breastwork practitioner.

12:41 Speaker 2: I saw that you're a hypnotherapist.

12:43 Speaker 1: I am, yes, yes, yeah, oh good for you.

12:46 Speaker 3: So you're doing I mean that's kind of yeah, and

12:48 Speaker 3: I would say that that's maybe influencing the way I

12:51 Speaker 3: write or the way I sing even.

12:53 Speaker 1: Oh that makes sense, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, Breathing

12:56 Speaker 1: is such an important part of how you're saying. I've

12:59 Speaker 1: been looking in a bread work myself actually because I

13:01 Speaker 1: use it, well, I use a little bit of it

13:03 Speaker 1: in my sessions, you know when I tell this the

13:06 Speaker 1: client to you know, focus on your breathing and focus

13:08 Speaker 1: on the rhythm of your breathing and all of that.

13:10 Speaker 1: But but I've been thinking about really learning, you know,

13:13 Speaker 1: really getting into it and learning more about breath work

13:15 Speaker 1: because I think it would be helpful and and everything

13:17 Speaker 1: else I do, or or even you know, even doing

13:20 Speaker 1: the radio show, just not running out of air when

13:23 Speaker 1: I'm you know, talking and you know sometimes if you're

13:25 Speaker 1: talking a lot, you know. Yeah, but no, that's that's

13:29 Speaker 1: really cool that you're doing that, And yeah, I would

13:31 Speaker 1: imagine that would be very helpful with your singing.

13:33 Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, it's actually it's not any sort of like

13:36 Speaker 3: gentle meditation that I'm doing. It's yeah, it's this three

13:40 Speaker 3: part proniama all through the mouth, and you oxygenate your

13:43 Speaker 3: brain so much that your brain shuts off and just

13:46 Speaker 3: all your feelings come out. Yea, So people people don't

13:49 Speaker 3: find it gentle. It's often kind of like, uh, people

13:52 Speaker 3: often cry oh wow, but it's really intense but powerful

13:57 Speaker 3: and useful.

13:58 Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, I got to learn more about that. That's

14:00 Speaker 1: very very interesting. That's very interesting to me. Oh that's wild.

14:03 Speaker 1: That's wild. Yeah. And as far as your your music,

14:07 Speaker 1: are you do you play out? Do you play these

14:10 Speaker 1: songs out? Yeah?

14:11 Speaker 2: Excellent all the time. I just had a record release.

14:13 Speaker 3: Actually, Charlie and I shared a bill for both of

14:15 Speaker 3: our record releases at this.

14:17 Speaker 2: Club in New York that's called Berlin, Okay.

14:21 Speaker 3: And I sing regularly with this band called the Loser's

14:24 Speaker 3: Lounge at Joe's Pub, and I sing with a couple

14:27 Speaker 3: other bands too. But yeah, I perform almost once a

14:32 Speaker 3: week these days.

14:33 Speaker 1: Oh wonderful, good good. Yeah, you're in New York.

14:36 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I am in New York, Brooklyn.

14:39 Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent. Oh the other thing I wanted to ask

14:42 Speaker 1: you to getting back to uh they aa Howard Johnson's

14:45 Speaker 1: there the artwork. I really like the cover.

14:47 Speaker 3: Oh thanks, Yeah, that was my friend Scott MX Turner

14:51 Speaker 3: did that.

14:51 Speaker 2: I love it too.

14:52 Speaker 3: It's very retro.

14:55 Speaker 1: And it is it is maybe maybe that's where I

14:58 Speaker 1: got the idea about the mist Alga, but yeah, it

15:01 Speaker 1: is very retro. Yeah, it's very cool. Yeah, that is excellent.

15:06 Speaker 1: That is excellent. And then what about what do you

15:10 Speaker 1: have in the future, what's kind of your trajectory? I mean,

15:14 Speaker 1: obviously you know this album hasn't been out that long,

15:17 Speaker 1: right right, Well.

15:19 Speaker 3: You know, I did an artist residency this summer in Iceland.

15:22 Speaker 3: I was in East Iceland for a month, oh wow,

15:24 Speaker 3: and I was writing all new songs there and they

15:26 Speaker 3: gave me this beautiful space, this recording studio and all

15:29 Speaker 3: the instruments. But I brought these tiny synths that I

15:33 Speaker 3: was playing. So I've written a whole bunch of new

15:35 Speaker 3: songs on these tiny synths. Found nothing like like the

15:38 Speaker 3: current record that I'm really excited about this new stuff.

15:41 Speaker 3: So I'm going to be recording that with my friend

15:45 Speaker 3: John Kengla, who plays guitar in my band. We're going

15:49 Speaker 3: to be recording that sometime this year and hoping to

15:52 Speaker 3: put that out. I don't know when, but that's what

15:55 Speaker 3: I'm into right now. Okay, synth music.

15:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, very good, very good.

16:00 Speaker 2: Yeah.

16:00 Speaker 1: Well, Jesse, it's been wonderful speaking with you. We're going

16:03 Speaker 1: to you know, in a moment, we're going to play

16:05 Speaker 1: this other track after we Let you Go. We're gonna

16:07 Speaker 1: play Saint Teresa and Ecstasy.

16:10 Speaker 2: Oh cool.

16:10 Speaker 1: What should we know about that song? It's with such

16:12 Speaker 1: an interesting title.

16:14 Speaker 2: Oh thank you?

16:15 Speaker 3: Well, that was inspired by I was in Rome and

16:18 Speaker 3: two different friends said, Oh, you have to go see

16:21 Speaker 3: this sculpture in this little church and it's just magnificent,

16:27 Speaker 3: this culture of st It's called the Ecstasy of Saint Teresa.

16:30 Speaker 2: Okay, and it has like this.

16:31 Speaker 3: Panel of gold above the sculpture and there's a window

16:35 Speaker 3: above it and when the sunlight hits the gold, it

16:38 Speaker 3: lights up the statue. It's just really incredible. And the

16:41 Speaker 3: song is about that, just being really moved by seeing that.

16:46 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, yeah, outstanding?

16:49 Speaker 2: Thank you?

16:50 Speaker 1: And where's before we let you Go? Where's the best

16:52 Speaker 1: place for people to go online to keep up with

16:54 Speaker 1: everything that you're doing, all your music and everything.

16:57 Speaker 3: I post the most stuff on Instagram. Okay, so it's

17:00 Speaker 3: just Jes Jesse kill Gus on Instagram. And then the

17:03 Speaker 3: best place to check out my music is band camp,

17:06 Speaker 3: especially if people want to buy it, because band camp

17:08 Speaker 3: gives the artists the most money. Yeah, but in terms

17:13 Speaker 3: of staying up to do up to date on news,

17:15 Speaker 3: I would say Instagram.

17:16 Speaker 1: And I like to tell people too, I love band

17:18 Speaker 1: Camp and I like to tell people not only does

17:20 Speaker 1: band camp give the artists the most money, but you

17:22 Speaker 1: get you get a high quality file, you get a

17:25 Speaker 1: better sounding file than you do if you just you know,

17:27 Speaker 1: stream it on YouTube or whatever. So I really encourage

17:29 Speaker 1: people to use band camp as well.

17:32 Speaker 2: Nice.

17:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely all right, Jesse kill Gus, thank you so much. Well,

17:38 Speaker 1: definitely when you've got some new stuff, when you got

17:40 Speaker 1: some new music, we'll definitely have you back.

17:42 Speaker 3: Great.

17:43 Speaker 1: Absolutely love what you're doing. What we enjoyed speaking with

17:46 Speaker 1: you this morning. Wise. Absolutely we're going to hit this

17:50 Speaker 1: track Saint Teresa in Ecstasy. We'll let you go. Oh

17:52 Speaker 1: and and again, congratulations on the breath work and I

17:55 Speaker 1: got to learn more about that. I'm very curious about that,

17:57 Speaker 1: so we might have to kill breath. Oh very good.

18:02 Speaker 1: I'll check out the site and we we might. We

18:04 Speaker 1: might have to have you back to to talk about

18:06 Speaker 1: that too, so we might we might have you back.

18:07 Speaker 1: Really alright, all right, Jesse, thank you so much. Bye bye,

18:14 Speaker 1: all right, very cool. That was Jesse kill Gus from

18:16 Speaker 1: New York City. Check out her album. They have a

18:19 Speaker 1: Howard Johnson's there. It is available on band camp. And

18:21 Speaker 1: we're gonna play this track, uh, this is a Saint

18:24 Speaker 1: Teresa in Ecstasy, and then when we come back, we're

18:27 Speaker 1: gonna have Chris Evans from Audio Gust with us on

18:31 Speaker 1: Microsoft Teams. Hopefully we don't have any tech issues with teams.

18:35 Speaker 1: That was unusual what happened there with with WhatsApp. We

18:37 Speaker 1: don't usually have any trouble, but I'll clean it up

18:39 Speaker 1: on the on the podcast version. But here it is.

18:42 Speaker 1: This is Saint Teresa in Ecstasy by Jesse kill Gus