Krafty K of Kaotic Fotography | Matt Connarton Unleashed

0:00 Speaker 1: And joining us now live in studio. Let me get

0:03 Speaker 1: that mic up here. We have a crafty k with

0:06 Speaker 1: that camera on you there too, because you've got you've

0:09 Speaker 1: got some cool stuff to show us. But of course

0:11 Speaker 1: from also on Facebook, you're my art by KF, My

0:16 Speaker 1: art by KF and of course uh chaotic photography, that's

0:20 Speaker 1: the KF right yep. So it's wonderful to have you here.

0:24 Speaker 1: We met through Terminus Underground, right is that's where we

0:27 Speaker 1: met initially. Yes, you've you've taken I was talking about

0:30 Speaker 1: you at the top of the show today talking about

0:32 Speaker 1: what's coming up, and I did mention that you've many

0:35 Speaker 1: of the photographs, the great photographs of artists, especially performing live,

0:41 Speaker 1: have been taken by you. Those are your pictures.

0:45 Speaker 2: I every time I'm able to get there and the

0:48 Speaker 2: bands are playing, I talk to them. I get the

0:51 Speaker 2: permission to like be up their butts with my camera

0:54 Speaker 2: because I like to get the shots that nobody else gets. Yeah,

0:58 Speaker 2: and yes they do. You use my phone, But I

1:01 Speaker 2: don't consider myself a photographer. I'm an artist, so I'm

1:05 Speaker 2: going to use whatever medium I have at that time

1:09 Speaker 2: that's going to fit that project. Yeah, and then take

1:13 Speaker 2: them and then when I develop them, I have them,

1:20 Speaker 2: well I don't have them. I give them to andre

1:22 Speaker 2: and at Terminus and he puts them in the frames.

1:24 Speaker 2: And we have the Hallway of Fame, Yes, of Terminus.

1:29 Speaker 2: So if you play there and I'm able to capture you,

1:32 Speaker 2: you go into the hallway.

1:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Hey, do me a favorite. Can you

1:37 Speaker 1: just turn that mic towards you a little bit? Yeah,

1:39 Speaker 1: and now just so it's like you're talking straight into it. Oh, perfect, perfect. Yeah,

1:42 Speaker 1: the MIC's are a very the very sensitive. I just

1:44 Speaker 1: want to make sure everybody can hear you. Okay, no,

1:47 Speaker 1: that's uh yeah. And I always tell people too, the

1:50 Speaker 1: first time you go to Terminus, it's kind of like

1:52 Speaker 1: walking into another world, you know, especially when you go

1:54 Speaker 1: into that room. You know, Well, the hallway is impressive,

1:57 Speaker 1: right because the last time i've Jenny and I were

1:58 Speaker 1: there for the open house, and I think at that

2:00 Speaker 1: point there was already some of your pictures that you

2:02 Speaker 1: had taken that were put up, and it was like, wow,

2:04 Speaker 1: this is really cool.

2:05 Speaker 2: Yes, Eleanor has allowed me to keep my art up there,

2:12 Speaker 2: like twenty four seven. Yeah, yeah, which I am willing

2:15 Speaker 2: to share. But I'm the rock star member, and as

2:19 Speaker 2: a right now, I think I might be the only

2:22 Speaker 2: artist artist, but I do believe she has another rock

2:24 Speaker 2: star member. Now I'm not sure what his medium is.

2:29 Speaker 2: But I started painting a year and a half ago,

2:35 Speaker 2: and before that was all pencil. Oh, and I finally

2:40 Speaker 2: was like, you know what, I'm going to try this out,

2:41 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, I just started painting everything. Yeah,

2:46 Speaker 2: and I absolutely love it, and I just keep building

2:50 Speaker 2: my art into every If it interested me, I'm going

2:54 Speaker 2: to do it. So I just now I got into

2:57 Speaker 2: taking pictures.

2:58 Speaker 1: Yeah. Wait, so did the did the photography come later? That? Like?

3:03 Speaker 1: What what came first? In terms of your of your

3:06 Speaker 1: creating art.

3:07 Speaker 2: So I've always done pencil drawing, Okay, pencil and paper

3:11 Speaker 2: like you will never take that away from me. Okay,

3:13 Speaker 2: I can bring it everywhere. I can create what I

3:15 Speaker 2: want with that in any kind of setting. And then

3:19 Speaker 2: I started a little bit with photography, but not as

3:23 Speaker 2: much as I've been doing now. Okay, I've always done crafting.

3:28 Speaker 2: And then just like I said, a year and a

3:30 Speaker 2: half ago, I started really painting like I did paintings,

3:34 Speaker 2: but I never wanted to show anybody really Yeah, and

3:38 Speaker 2: then I had, like, you have that event in your

3:42 Speaker 2: life that either pulls you down brings you up.

3:44 Speaker 1: M hm.

3:45 Speaker 2: Mine pulled me down and I refuse to sit down

3:48 Speaker 2: and refuse to lay down. So I made it bring

3:51 Speaker 2: me up. And people started seeing it and they were like, no,

3:55 Speaker 2: we got to get we got to get this out,

3:57 Speaker 2: we got to get this out.

3:58 Speaker 1: And I was like what.

3:58 Speaker 2: I was like, no, no, no no. And my boyfriend

4:02 Speaker 2: Eddie set up my my Facebook page and my Instagram

4:06 Speaker 2: page for me and just started putting my art out there.

4:12 Speaker 1: Yeah. Is something that we talk about a lot on

4:15 Speaker 1: the show is uh. In fact, it came up with

4:19 Speaker 1: my my previous guest, Jamie Higgs.

4:22 Speaker 2: Uh.

4:23 Speaker 1: Is you know, using art, whether it be visual art

4:26 Speaker 1: or music or whatever art it is that you're creating,

4:28 Speaker 1: using it as really sort of a form of therapy

4:30 Speaker 1: and working through things because sometimes it's hard, especially and

4:36 Speaker 1: Jamie and I talked about this specifically, Sometimes it's hard,

4:39 Speaker 1: especially when you're dealing with you know, major life events

4:42 Speaker 1: or any kind of trauma, you know, to to talk

4:46 Speaker 1: about that stuff and to be able to emote everything

4:48 Speaker 1: that you're dealing with, but using art as a way

4:52 Speaker 1: to kind of channel that and that that expression and

4:57 Speaker 1: working through, working through your feelings and then what winds

4:59 Speaker 1: up happening is not only is a great therapy for you,

5:03 Speaker 1: but it also is something that other people can connect with.

5:06 Speaker 1: So it's a way of you help yourself and you

5:09 Speaker 1: also wind up helping other people too. Well.

5:12 Speaker 2: Mine wasn't. Mine wasn't so much for therapy for me.

5:16 Speaker 2: It was getting people to understand how I felt.

5:20 Speaker 1: Sure, Sure it was because being able to communicate that.

5:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's how I communicate. I'm not very good

5:26 Speaker 2: with words, as you can hear now, but through my art,

5:30 Speaker 2: I can express myself. I can tell a tell how

5:34 Speaker 2: you can feel it. You can see how I'm feeling

5:37 Speaker 2: or what I'm trying to say versus me actually trying

5:41 Speaker 2: to say it. Because I talk NonStop. I'm ADHD, So nope,

5:46 Speaker 2: everybody kind of tunes me out sometimes.

5:50 Speaker 1: The ADHD. Does that play a role in your art?

5:52 Speaker 1: Do you think?

5:53 Speaker 2: Oh, definitely, there's a specific reason.

5:55 Speaker 1: I'm curious about that. So, I don't know if you're

5:57 Speaker 1: familiar with doctor Kevin. He's from Nashua, doctor Kevin Ross Memory.

6:02 Speaker 1: I think Eleanor, Yeah, Eleanor knows him. I've known doctor

6:05 Speaker 1: Kevin for like twenty years and he's amazing. But he's

6:07 Speaker 1: done a lot of work in a d d adhd.

6:11 Speaker 1: He's written some books. One of the books he's written

6:13 Speaker 1: about it is called Managing the Gift, and the premise

6:16 Speaker 1: of the book is, look, if this is something that

6:18 Speaker 1: you have or maybe your child has, this is not

6:21 Speaker 1: this is not a disorder, this is not a bad thing.

6:24 Speaker 1: This is not uh something you have to figure out

6:29 Speaker 1: how to overcome. This is something you should use because

6:33 Speaker 1: people with this are creative and and there's a there's

6:37 Speaker 1: a lot of things if you use it correctly. There

6:40 Speaker 1: are a lot of things about a d d adhd.

6:42 Speaker 1: That's that's how he puts it, that that can actually

6:46 Speaker 1: be very helpful and useful to you and accomplishing things

6:48 Speaker 1: and also and specifically in being creative.

6:52 Speaker 2: Oh definitely, like you can my friends six minds combined.

6:56 Speaker 2: You can ask him. You give me one idea, I'll

6:59 Speaker 2: give you twenty. And it's why you're trying to solve

7:02 Speaker 2: one thing. I've already solved it. I'm working on something else.

7:05 Speaker 2: And it's my hyper focus where it calms me down,

7:09 Speaker 2: It just kind of centers me. My mom calls it

7:13 Speaker 2: he gans the world, and I just get stuck in

7:17 Speaker 2: it sometimes though that I forget everything else.

7:19 Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, So it's got hyper focusing. That's another thing

7:23 Speaker 1: that comes with it. Yeah.

7:24 Speaker 2: It's got its curses and it's got its blessings.

7:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean I think I have

7:30 Speaker 1: a little bit of that myself, because I tend to

7:33 Speaker 1: I can really kind of hyper focus on things. And

7:36 Speaker 1: I remember doctor Kevin and I having a conversation about it,

7:38 Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, Matt, you've definitely got some You've

7:41 Speaker 1: got some of these straits.

7:43 Speaker 2: In the eighties, nobody was diagnosed with that. We were

7:45 Speaker 2: just kids and we were hyper and watching we got

7:49 Speaker 2: set next to the teacher.

7:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. So do you ever is it ever

7:58 Speaker 1: a challenge in terms of of, you know, because you're

8:01 Speaker 1: using your art to try to communicate things to people

8:03 Speaker 1: that are not easy to communicate with words. Does that

8:08 Speaker 1: generally is that pretty easy for you to express yourself

8:11 Speaker 1: that way or do you ever run into challenges with

8:13 Speaker 1: that where maybe you create art that is not that

8:17 Speaker 1: you feel is not adequately portraying what it is that

8:20 Speaker 1: you're trying to get across.

8:22 Speaker 2: When I do pretty pictures, yeah, I can create the

8:25 Speaker 2: most beautiful, pretty flowers and everything like that and like

8:30 Speaker 2: how I'm feeling in that moment, but you look at

8:32 Speaker 2: it and it's it's to me personally, it just feels generic, okay,

8:39 Speaker 2: And my art sometimes gets a little darkish, I guess,

8:45 Speaker 2: And it's not for everybody, but the ones that do

8:49 Speaker 2: understand it and can feel it. There's there's like a

8:54 Speaker 2: group for that. But I can create art for all

8:57 Speaker 2: types of groups, sure, I just and I also try

9:01 Speaker 2: to fit it into what I'm doing. Like New Hampshire

9:07 Speaker 2: Underground Terminus they did the punk rock Masquerade and I

9:12 Speaker 2: was like, oh my gosh, I'm like I have to

9:15 Speaker 2: do this. So I created masks in case people didn't

9:18 Speaker 2: bring their own, they could purchase them. And I don't

9:21 Speaker 2: sell any of my art for expensive prices because I

9:24 Speaker 2: feel I want my art to go out and it create.

9:29 Speaker 2: It just builds something in me to create more when

9:31 Speaker 2: somebody wants to buy my art. And so I created

9:36 Speaker 2: like a couple of them, and then I did a

9:38 Speaker 2: couple more, and then I ended up with like fifty

9:41 Speaker 2: of them and I have five left, so it was

9:45 Speaker 2: like amazing, And then I went on to the next

9:49 Speaker 2: show she did, and I created what was it like

9:54 Speaker 2: zombie boxes? Will you survivor will you die? Like pick

9:58 Speaker 2: your fate? And I had things inside them, so like

10:02 Speaker 2: I loved just creating things for things. Yeah, and it

10:07 Speaker 2: just I don't know, my brain just starts like firing

10:10 Speaker 2: off and I can't stop.

10:12 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm always amazed at you know, Jenny, she

10:18 Speaker 1: makes some incredible painting and it's uh, and you know,

10:23 Speaker 1: my brain is not like I have no in terms

10:26 Speaker 1: of visual art. I have no artistic ability whatsoever. You know,

10:29 Speaker 1: Like if you asked me to draw a person, I

10:31 Speaker 1: could draw you a stick figure. That's I'm very comfortable

10:36 Speaker 1: with acknowledging my my lack of ability in that area,

10:40 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I'm artistic in other ways, like

10:41 Speaker 1: I'm a musician. I can create music and whatnot. But

10:43 Speaker 1: I can't create any kind of visual art at all.

10:46 Speaker 1: I hate it so much. So I was aware of

10:48 Speaker 1: this from a very young age. When I was a kid,

10:51 Speaker 1: I hated art class. I went to Saint John's Regional

10:56 Speaker 1: and Conquered from grade two to grade eight, and these

10:59 Speaker 1: art teachers would come in like once a week or

11:01 Speaker 1: once every other week. It seemed like it wasn't very consistent,

11:04 Speaker 1: but and I would feel like like me and probably

11:08 Speaker 1: a couple of the other kids in the class to

11:09 Speaker 1: have about thirty kids, but I really felt this. I

11:13 Speaker 1: felt like they were trying to force me to be

11:16 Speaker 1: artistic in a way that was not possible. I even

11:19 Speaker 1: have a very specific memory of this. We're painting, We're

11:22 Speaker 1: using watercolors or something to paint this stuff, and I

11:25 Speaker 1: remember just sitting there at one point I remember this,

11:28 Speaker 1: This memory sticks with me. I was in grade school.

11:32 Speaker 1: I don't remember what grade, but I'm sitting there trying

11:34 Speaker 1: to paint this picture, and at a certain point, I'm

11:37 Speaker 1: just painting the same tree over and over. I'm just

11:40 Speaker 1: going over and and over because I'm trying to look

11:42 Speaker 1: busy at that point, because I got to look like

11:45 Speaker 1: I'm doing something. And then the art teacher actually comes

11:47 Speaker 1: over and says to me, Matt, you're just painting the

11:49 Speaker 1: same tree over and over. And I'm like, oh, that

11:51 Speaker 1: didn't work, you know what I mean. But I recognize

11:53 Speaker 1: that in myself, pretty young, I have no ability in

11:58 Speaker 1: that zone. So I always marvel at people who do,

12:02 Speaker 1: because you know, I look at Jenny's paintings it's like,

12:04 Speaker 1: how did you do that? Like, because my brain can't

12:08 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Or Jenny makes this incredible

12:10 Speaker 1: macroma and I'm like, my brain can't do the math

12:14 Speaker 1: because it's geometry.

12:15 Speaker 2: I've tried macromay and I can do plant hangers. Yeah,

12:19 Speaker 2: but what she does there's like this too much counting

12:23 Speaker 2: and it's wild. Yeah, I've tried it. It's fun. It's

12:27 Speaker 2: kind of you know, just sit there, nothing to do,

12:30 Speaker 2: and yeah, you can create something.

12:31 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, and she'll and she'll tell you she's

12:34 Speaker 1: not good at math, but clearly on a subconscious level,

12:39 Speaker 1: she's very good at geometry because you have to be

12:42 Speaker 1: to do that, and she does it. It looks almost effortless.

12:45 Speaker 1: That when she does it, she'll she'll make stuff. During

12:48 Speaker 1: the show. She'll be she's not here today because she's

12:51 Speaker 1: got an event, but you know, she'll be sitting over

12:52 Speaker 1: there just making stuff. And then at the end of

12:54 Speaker 1: the show she says, oh, look what I made. It's like,

12:56 Speaker 1: how it's incredible. Yeah.

13:00 Speaker 2: Actually I failed art class, you like, in the in

13:04 Speaker 2: grade school. I got a's in it, and then towards

13:08 Speaker 2: high school, junior high, high school, I started failing and

13:14 Speaker 2: it was because they were like they were like you

13:16 Speaker 2: said they want. They were like forcing you to do

13:19 Speaker 2: certain things, and then I would do it and They're

13:22 Speaker 2: like you didn't do it this way, and I'm like,

13:23 Speaker 2: I'm not that artist. I can't do that right, like

13:27 Speaker 2: I put the effort in. I did what I could do.

13:30 Speaker 2: Or they're like there's too much. I'm like, I don't

13:32 Speaker 2: I want all that there, right, they're not enough there.

13:34 Speaker 2: I'm like I don't want anything there, and they would

13:36 Speaker 2: get frustrated with me, and I was just I didn't care.

13:41 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm going to create art. Yeah, and that's

13:44 Speaker 2: what I do. I tried playing the clarinet in sixth grade.

13:47 Speaker 2: My mom told me to stick with the pencils. I

13:50 Speaker 2: was my my family's musically inclined.

13:53 Speaker 1: Okay.

13:54 Speaker 2: My uncle played in a band when I was ten,

14:00 Speaker 2: so like early nineties. It was the Wounded Hearts. He

14:03 Speaker 2: was the drummer.

14:04 Speaker 1: Okay.

14:05 Speaker 2: He was actually the first band I ever did art.

14:08 Speaker 1: Four oh no kidding.

14:10 Speaker 2: He asked me to create something for their band T

14:15 Speaker 2: shirt or something like that, and it was a hand

14:17 Speaker 2: I drew. I drew a hand holding an atomic heart

14:20 Speaker 2: and it was bleeding okay, and they didn't. I guess

14:26 Speaker 2: go on or something happened. I'm not really sure. I

14:29 Speaker 2: was sure, I was ten sure, and then I'd forgotten

14:32 Speaker 2: about it for all these years. And then the next

14:34 Speaker 2: one I started doing art four was six months combined, okay.

14:38 Speaker 2: And from there I've done Temple Mountain, I did photography

14:45 Speaker 2: for Jesse Jesse Rustin.

14:47 Speaker 1: And Jesse was here last week.

14:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I did the album cover for Lacey

14:52 Speaker 2: who am I? Yes, yes, yeah, I'm hoping to continue

14:57 Speaker 2: to do more like that for other bands, especially the

15:00 Speaker 2: newer bands, like I want them not to use AI,

15:04 Speaker 2: like please, you guys don't use AI. Find the artists

15:08 Speaker 2: like myself. And there's so many of us out there

15:10 Speaker 2: that are like I got nothing to do. Yeah, And

15:15 Speaker 2: I don't charge, like I said, I don't charge a lot,

15:17 Speaker 2: especially for new bands. Sure, sure because all of us

15:21 Speaker 2: are starting out. So who the heck has all that money?

15:23 Speaker 1: Right? Right? If you're just joining us crafty K is

15:27 Speaker 1: that the right thing? And your Facebook handle my art

15:30 Speaker 1: by KF, my art by KF. I have a mental block.

15:33 Speaker 2: Well, well it's my first and it's my initials. Okay,

15:36 Speaker 2: So everything I do in my art. Instead of writing KF,

15:39 Speaker 2: I do a heart with a K on it.

15:41 Speaker 1: Okay.

15:42 Speaker 2: That way it kind of combines everything together.

15:45 Speaker 1: Okay, okay and KF chaotic photography, right, Yes, so you

15:49 Speaker 1: spelled photography with an F. So for people looking for

15:52 Speaker 1: you online, where's the best way for people to find

15:54 Speaker 1: you online?

15:55 Speaker 2: I use Facebook more than I do Instagram.

15:57 Speaker 1: Okay.

15:58 Speaker 2: Instagram only allows you to post so many pictures at

16:01 Speaker 2: a time, but Facebook I can load one hundred and

16:04 Speaker 2: something on there.

16:05 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so you mentioned AI. This is another subject

16:11 Speaker 1: that comes up all the time on the show, whether

16:14 Speaker 1: it's whether it's about visual art or certainly about music.

16:20 Speaker 1: I'm really curious to explore that subject with you a

16:23 Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, I mean what, like, like what

16:27 Speaker 1: is what is it that you tell? So what do

16:29 Speaker 1: you tell? What do you tell musicians who you work

16:32 Speaker 1: with when you're when you're having that conversation with them? Uh? Well,

16:35 Speaker 1: like like, what what's kind of your pitch to say?

16:38 Speaker 1: Please don't use AI. I know it's tempting, but please

16:41 Speaker 1: don't do it. And here's why, Like what do you

16:43 Speaker 1: say AI?

16:45 Speaker 2: You can put in the words and you can describe

16:49 Speaker 2: what you want. AI will pop something up. Who's to

16:53 Speaker 2: say that's not going to be used for somebody else's description.

16:58 Speaker 2: It could be just a little bit of different color,

17:00 Speaker 2: It could be used a little bit of different that.

17:02 Speaker 2: And yes, same thing with artists, but you don't have

17:07 Speaker 2: that freedom and openness of can we change this a

17:11 Speaker 2: little bit? Can we change that a little bit? Can

17:13 Speaker 2: we tweak this? Can we tweak that? Can we add

17:16 Speaker 2: in this? Can we take this out? Because you're trying

17:19 Speaker 2: to get a computer to understand what you want, right

17:23 Speaker 2: and you not that doesn't always happen. Yeah, so then

17:26 Speaker 2: you're just like, you know whatever, We're just going to

17:28 Speaker 2: go with it, and you're not totally happy with it.

17:30 Speaker 2: But with me, I could take a I can take

17:33 Speaker 2: an eraser out and just yeah, I'll take that right out,

17:35 Speaker 2: all right, I'll move this, and we can choose the

17:39 Speaker 2: colors you want, We can choose the form like painting, pencil,

17:44 Speaker 2: pen photography. You have more options than you do with AI.

17:50 Speaker 2: I mean AI is great to use for some things, sure,

17:54 Speaker 2: but not for everything.

17:57 Speaker 1: Right right, yeah, I mean my own experience with it,

18:00 Speaker 1: I can tell you it's hard to get it to

18:05 Speaker 1: understand sometimes exactly what it is that you're looking for

18:08 Speaker 1: it is great for some things, but when it comes

18:10 Speaker 1: to graphics, when it comes to images, actually my first

18:14 Speaker 1: time trying to make any kind of an image. We

18:16 Speaker 1: had done we had done a segment on the show

18:19 Speaker 1: about I don't know if you follow it at all,

18:21 Speaker 1: there hasn't been any new news on it, but the

18:23 Speaker 1: Daryl Hall versus John Oates lawsuit, that whole legal drama.

18:27 Speaker 1: We had done a segment on the show about it,

18:29 Speaker 1: and I tried to get Dolly three to create I

18:35 Speaker 1: needed a YouTube thumbnail and I wanted an image of

18:40 Speaker 1: Daryl Hall and John Oates in a boxing ring and

18:42 Speaker 1: they're boxing. I thought that would be funny. And this

18:46 Speaker 1: was my first time trying to create a graphic using AI,

18:50 Speaker 1: and it actually wouldn't do it. And I guess it's

18:54 Speaker 1: got a rule about putting celebrities and violent situations or

18:59 Speaker 1: that was because it actually told me why it couldn't

19:02 Speaker 1: do it, and.

19:03 Speaker 2: See me, I don't have I don't have any restrictions.

19:06 Speaker 1: Right exactly exactly. Yeah, what ended up happening was so

19:10 Speaker 1: I couldn't do the boxing thing, and I kept working

19:13 Speaker 1: with it and trying to get it to compromise with me.

19:16 Speaker 1: So what I finally came up with was it created?

19:19 Speaker 1: And I didn't even ask it to do this. Interestingly,

19:23 Speaker 1: it didn't offer to give this to me specifically, but

19:27 Speaker 1: it offered me an alternative. But I went ahead and

19:29 Speaker 1: created the alternative it was offering me, which was Daryl

19:31 Speaker 1: Hollan John, Oh, it's playing chess. And then it said

19:36 Speaker 1: you know, because it said I can't give you the boxing,

19:38 Speaker 1: but I can give you this, and it just created

19:39 Speaker 1: it because like, oh, that's interesting. And then I asked it,

19:43 Speaker 1: can you put angry faces on them? Make them look angry?

19:48 Speaker 1: That was willing to do, and so that's what it

19:51 Speaker 1: came out with. They're they're at a chess board and

19:53 Speaker 1: they look mad at each other.

19:54 Speaker 2: It's a peaceful competitive.

19:56 Speaker 1: Sport, right, right, So it was willing to do the

19:59 Speaker 1: angry face and it kind of looks like them. It

20:02 Speaker 1: doesn't exactly look like them, but yeah, well.

20:05 Speaker 2: Like and my other thing, like I said earlier, is

20:08 Speaker 2: you give me one you can have that one idea,

20:11 Speaker 2: and my brain will just start popping things and I'm like, well,

20:14 Speaker 2: what if you did, what if this?

20:16 Speaker 1: What if that?

20:17 Speaker 2: Or what do you think about this? And it starts

20:21 Speaker 2: getting other people's brains going in there sure, like oh,

20:24 Speaker 2: and then they start getting a bunch of ideas. Yeah,

20:27 Speaker 2: it happens all the time in my little circle.

20:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. So you've done a lot

20:34 Speaker 1: of work with six minds combined, right. Yes, that's because

20:38 Speaker 1: we were talking off air about you know what should

20:40 Speaker 1: we play for music? Coming into the segment. That's my

20:43 Speaker 1: favorite song of his. I love yeah, I love that.

20:47 Speaker 1: The we had we had Rick on the show. It's

20:50 Speaker 1: probably more than a year ago. Now it all becomes

20:53 Speaker 1: a blur. But I remember telling him too, I said

20:56 Speaker 1: that that song, that's one of those songs that after

20:59 Speaker 1: I heard it, I would wake up with it playing

21:01 Speaker 1: in my brain because I always, like a lot of us,

21:03 Speaker 1: you know, when I wake up in the morning, there's

21:04 Speaker 1: always a song playing in my mind, and uh, you know,

21:07 Speaker 1: I have that little wake up playlist, and that was

21:09 Speaker 1: that was the first one I would hear for a

21:11 Speaker 1: long time. I would just wake up in the morning

21:13 Speaker 1: and here you know that you got this.

21:17 Speaker 2: It gets stuck in my head when somebody says they

21:19 Speaker 2: can't do something, yeah, and then all of a sudden

21:21 Speaker 2: they start singing yeah.

21:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, So you've you've done a lot of work with him, right.

21:26 Speaker 2: Yes, I've known him since I was fourteen fifteen, Yeah,

21:31 Speaker 2: and he started becoming six minds combined, and he asked

21:41 Speaker 2: to create, Like I've created a few things that created

21:48 Speaker 2: his album cover for him. Okay, the front and the back, Okay,

21:52 Speaker 2: the back of it is just his mind exploding with

21:54 Speaker 2: all the all the songs, Okay, and the front was

21:58 Speaker 2: his idea, and I took what he gave me for

22:01 Speaker 2: what his image was, and I put it into a painting.

22:05 Speaker 2: I've done his new logo which is going to be

22:10 Speaker 2: coming out, and I'm not sure if I was supposed

22:12 Speaker 2: to tell anybody that I love you. I'm sorry.

22:14 Speaker 1: A little teaser there. That's good.

22:16 Speaker 2: There's a movie.

22:17 Speaker 1: Do we know when? Do we have an e ta on?

22:21 Speaker 2: I'm not sure yet.

22:22 Speaker 1: Okay, I do know.

22:23 Speaker 2: He's got some new merchandise coming out. He also will

22:30 Speaker 2: be having a new video or champion that I'm working.

22:37 Speaker 2: I'm helping work on excellent and it's going to be

22:40 Speaker 2: something me and him I have Like we always talked

22:43 Speaker 2: about making a comic book together, really, yes, and it

22:47 Speaker 2: kind of goes along those lines a little bit. I

22:51 Speaker 2: helped him with running through a mansion. I helped video

22:55 Speaker 2: film it. That's not the right word, but me and

23:00 Speaker 2: Eleanor we both did that. They put it together. I

23:04 Speaker 2: had this after hearing that song. It was like again

23:08 Speaker 2: just sparks flying in my head and yeah, you know what,

23:11 Speaker 2: and then we we should do this in the mansion.

23:14 Speaker 2: And then when we went to the mansion, we were

23:16 Speaker 2: not allowed to videotape. We even got like followed like

23:20 Speaker 2: like towards the end, like on the grounds, there was

23:22 Speaker 2: like some security guy walking behind us.

23:25 Speaker 1: Well, so, so I'm really curious about this. So what

23:27 Speaker 1: So you went to a mansion, did you like where?

23:30 Speaker 1: Like what mansion?

23:31 Speaker 2: The Breaker House? Where's that Rhode Island?

23:34 Speaker 1: Okay?

23:34 Speaker 2: So we went down there and that place was huge.

23:38 Speaker 2: I would not want to ever have to clean it.

23:40 Speaker 1: So you went there with the intention? So is that

23:42 Speaker 1: it's hard to get.

23:43 Speaker 2: Something open to the public. Yes, I mean, did you

23:45 Speaker 2: pay a fee to visit it?

23:47 Speaker 1: Okay?

23:48 Speaker 2: You could take photography, but you couldn't videotape anything use

23:52 Speaker 2: it for like social media.

23:54 Speaker 1: Things like that. Did you did you know that going in?

23:58 Speaker 2: Or did not until we got there?

24:00 Speaker 1: Okay?

24:01 Speaker 2: But we did like get some good shots like small

24:05 Speaker 2: little here, and there.

24:06 Speaker 1: So how did you how'd you do it?

24:07 Speaker 2: Like?

24:08 Speaker 1: Did you have to do it kind of covertly or

24:09 Speaker 1: how did how does that work? Yeah?

24:11 Speaker 2: I mean there were some things that I was like, dude,

24:13 Speaker 2: do it now?

24:14 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, But.

24:17 Speaker 2: So that idea kind of went just like and then

24:20 Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, everybody's mansion is their home.

24:25 Speaker 2: It's there. It's so I was like, how about we

24:29 Speaker 2: do it in a house. Like a person's mansion is

24:32 Speaker 2: their home. It doesn't have to be an actual mansion,

24:34 Speaker 2: right right, Like their mansion is their home where they

24:38 Speaker 2: and it. It ended up working out, which was amazing.

24:42 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh interesting. What now what did you end

24:45 Speaker 1: up doing with the stuff that you took in the

24:48 Speaker 1: actual mansion in Rhode Island? Anything?

24:49 Speaker 2: There's some clips of it in the video vide what

24:54 Speaker 2: we could use that wasn't so much like showing anything interesting?

24:59 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but it was.

25:02 Speaker 2: It was fun. Yeah, try to be sneaky and do

25:05 Speaker 2: it like we were breaking.

25:06 Speaker 1: The law right right, Hey, it's all rock and roll,

25:09 Speaker 1: right do you?

25:11 Speaker 2: So?

25:12 Speaker 1: Do you do a lot of album covers? I?

25:15 Speaker 2: After I did six Months Combined, Temple Mountain reached out

25:18 Speaker 2: to me and I did I did his album cover

25:22 Speaker 2: for Lonely. He sent me a clip of it and

25:27 Speaker 2: now immediately I was like, I got this and it's

25:31 Speaker 2: the picture of a guy sitting on a bench with

25:35 Speaker 2: a woman woman's face up in kind of like the clouds,

25:38 Speaker 2: and he's just sitting there like kind of just defeated.

25:43 Speaker 2: It's sad, you know, Lonely. And then after that, Jesse

25:48 Speaker 2: Rustin asked me to do for some work for him

25:52 Speaker 2: and he wanted photography, so we went to his studio

25:55 Speaker 2: and did photography there. And then after that was who

26:00 Speaker 2: Am I? And Thracks? So I did their album cover

26:03 Speaker 2: for Hot Wax.

26:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, and.

26:08 Speaker 2: She gave me the color scheme and I was in

26:10 Speaker 2: there and I was trying to think of things to do,

26:13 Speaker 2: and I took an image of Racks on the drums

26:17 Speaker 2: and Lacey on the keyboard, and then her wife had

26:22 Speaker 2: done a record, so I took the record and then

26:26 Speaker 2: I made it look like it was melting wax coming

26:28 Speaker 2: down and creating them.

26:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a cool record.

26:31 Speaker 2: Created them and it's amazing to see that painting and

26:36 Speaker 2: the color of lights that Lacy does. It changes the

26:39 Speaker 2: colors on the painting. It's so trippy. It's awesome.

26:45 Speaker 1: That must be exciting too, to have an When you

26:48 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to work with someone who is very visual,

26:52 Speaker 1: you know obviously what what who I am in thracks,

26:54 Speaker 1: what they're doing, it's very visual, right, So to be

26:56 Speaker 1: able to that must be that just must be fun.

27:00 Speaker 2: I love it like I love music, I love art.

27:05 Speaker 2: I do like people, not all people, because the world

27:10 Speaker 2: the way the world is, but it's I love the

27:16 Speaker 2: open creativity, the the compassion, the encouragement. Like nobody's trying

27:24 Speaker 2: to compete with each other, and when there's people trying

27:28 Speaker 2: to compete with me, I'm like why, I'm like, you

27:31 Speaker 2: do what you do. I'm going to do what I do.

27:34 Speaker 2: Like I don't call myself anything other than an artist,

27:38 Speaker 2: and if I see something I want to do, I'm

27:41 Speaker 2: going to try to do it. And I did that

27:44 Speaker 2: even in all my jobs. I delivered pizza, I worked

27:47 Speaker 2: at daycares, I sold luggage, I worked for a sewer company.

27:51 Speaker 2: I like and now I've been in pharmacy for twenty

27:55 Speaker 2: two years. But it's because there's also a whole lot

27:59 Speaker 2: of paw that work. What do you do there? And

28:02 Speaker 2: it's the same thing with my art. I have no

28:05 Speaker 2: idea how to paint. I have no idea what I'm doing,

28:09 Speaker 2: but I wonder if this will work?

28:11 Speaker 1: How do I do this?

28:12 Speaker 2: And then it Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't.

28:16 Speaker 2: And there are some canvases. Let me tell you, there

28:19 Speaker 2: is a lot of layers of paint, lots of it

28:23 Speaker 2: because if I don't like it, I just paint over

28:25 Speaker 2: it and start to Yeah.

28:27 Speaker 1: And now, what do you mean about like like people

28:29 Speaker 1: trying to compete with with you? Like what like is

28:33 Speaker 1: it is it competitive in terms of you know, like

28:36 Speaker 1: doing doing artwork for musicians?

28:39 Speaker 2: Is that No? I think competitive is like you're always

28:42 Speaker 2: going to have that, Like it's just like a job.

28:46 Speaker 2: You go in for your interview, you get hired or

28:50 Speaker 2: you don't get hired. That part's not the competitive part.

28:53 Speaker 2: It's when people start talking bad about your art or

28:58 Speaker 2: about how you do your art really or like, oh,

29:02 Speaker 2: like they did that, Like I don't like that. If

29:06 Speaker 2: you don't like it, then just do what we've always

29:10 Speaker 2: been told is if you ain't got nothing nice to say,

29:12 Speaker 2: don't say anything at all, Like I'm not going to

29:14 Speaker 2: know any different. But when you start saying bad things

29:17 Speaker 2: about somebody's art instead of encouraging them to do or

29:21 Speaker 2: do better, that just brings that person down. They don't

29:24 Speaker 2: want to create the art, and then they suppress.

29:27 Speaker 1: Is that is that like like other artists like criticizing

29:30 Speaker 1: your process or something.

29:31 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't mind criticism whatsoever.

29:34 Speaker 1: Oh sure, constructive criticism is exactly fine.

29:37 Speaker 2: But when you're just like downing somebody because of what

29:42 Speaker 2: they do or how they do it or what they

29:44 Speaker 2: used to do it, or you know, anything like that,

29:47 Speaker 2: it's just it does take. It takes a little bit

29:53 Speaker 2: from you and it kind of like ouch, like what

29:56 Speaker 2: did I do? And then at the same time, I'm

30:00 Speaker 2: the type of person that's I've doubted narcissists, and I'm

30:04 Speaker 2: like the best way to deal with somebody like that,

30:07 Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep doing what I do a smile at

30:10 Speaker 2: my face, and I'm just gonna do it better. So like,

30:13 Speaker 2: bring it, but I'd rather not the negativity of things

30:17 Speaker 2: like that around me. So like musicians playing and somebody's like, ugh,

30:21 Speaker 2: like you might not like it, but don't tell them

30:25 Speaker 2: if you have some constructive criticism on it, like hey,

30:29 Speaker 2: I didn't really like that because and then say why Yeah, yeah,

30:34 Speaker 2: don't just like I don't like that, right. Well, it's

30:38 Speaker 2: like you just it's like watching the show and you

30:41 Speaker 2: get all the way to the end and then it's

30:43 Speaker 2: a cliffhanger and you're like, wait, wait, what happened? What happened?

30:47 Speaker 2: And then you never know. It's the same way of

30:50 Speaker 2: going I don't like it. Why tell me like, right,

30:55 Speaker 2: because I might create something you don't like, but tomorrow

30:58 Speaker 2: might create something you love.

31:00 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, exactly exactly if you are just joining us.

31:04 Speaker 1: We have a crafty k from Chaotic Photography and my

31:07 Speaker 1: art by k F that I get it right. Cool,

31:11 Speaker 1: I'm glad I got it right. Sometimes I worry I'm

31:13 Speaker 1: suffering from adult onset dyslexia. But uh no, And we're

31:18 Speaker 1: having a great conversation today about art and about you know,

31:23 Speaker 1: working with musicians. Is there anyone you've worked with who

31:27 Speaker 1: who presented a unique challenge in terms of where it

31:32 Speaker 1: was maybe difficult to find the right aesthetic for what

31:35 Speaker 1: they're doing, maybe for their album cover or I mean,

31:38 Speaker 1: I don't mean that in a bad way, you know,

31:40 Speaker 1: but but just is there anyone you've worked with who

31:42 Speaker 1: it was it was it took a little more to

31:44 Speaker 1: kind of figure out where to go with it.

31:45 Speaker 2: I did have somebody come message me about Creed about

31:51 Speaker 2: what they want for their album cover. Yeah, and I asked,

31:55 Speaker 2: they want like a certain like background, see like an

32:00 Speaker 2: apocalypse kind of thing, and I'm like, yeah, like I

32:04 Speaker 2: couldn't do that, Like what kind of medium do you want?

32:06 Speaker 2: They wanted like a photography. That's more difficult because you're

32:13 Speaker 2: not going to get the right colors, you're not going

32:15 Speaker 2: to get the right kind of visual. And also talking

32:20 Speaker 2: through Texas so hard because it's hard to understand, like

32:24 Speaker 2: see their thought process, and I haven't. Like I did

32:30 Speaker 2: send a few things and it just wasn't there. So

32:35 Speaker 2: he's just moved on, I believe to somebody else that

32:38 Speaker 2: might be able to do it, because I wasn't able to.

32:41 Speaker 2: But I at least offered a few things. It was

32:43 Speaker 2: almost like, like I said, an interview, Yeah, well.

32:47 Speaker 1: That can be hard to write if somebody because somebody

32:51 Speaker 1: might have an idea, I might have a vision in

32:52 Speaker 1: their mind, but they can't find the right words to

32:56 Speaker 1: communicate it, you know, And that's what's.

32:58 Speaker 2: My that's what I do with my own. Yeah, I

33:01 Speaker 2: can't think of certain words. Yeah, the correct words to say. Sure,

33:05 Speaker 2: I do it through my art and when someone's trying

33:08 Speaker 2: to tell me something because they can see it but

33:10 Speaker 2: they can't get it into words. Yeah, but they don't

33:13 Speaker 2: have the ability to put it on canvas or paper either,

33:17 Speaker 2: So like I can understand that being the most frustrating thing.

33:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like uh, you know, like like me,

33:26 Speaker 1: someone who has no visual artistic ability. If I you know,

33:30 Speaker 1: if I'm trying to communicate to somebody, like sometimes I

33:32 Speaker 1: don't know the like I don't know the vocabulary of

33:34 Speaker 1: you know, for what I'm trying to tell them that

33:37 Speaker 1: I want, you know, just to see artistically. Yeah, that

33:42 Speaker 1: can be. That could be tricky. Now, how does it

33:45 Speaker 1: work in terms of you coming to work with some

33:47 Speaker 1: of these artists? Do they approach you? Do you approach them?

33:49 Speaker 1: Does it depend?

33:50 Speaker 2: So? After I take after I take photos of them

33:54 Speaker 2: when they're playing, I show them a few of them

33:57 Speaker 2: that I have done, and I send that I send

33:59 Speaker 2: them photos and the only thing I ask for for

34:02 Speaker 2: those is photo credit.

34:03 Speaker 1: Yeah.

34:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also offer if you need any artistic

34:09 Speaker 2: guidance or any work done, anything like that, just reach

34:13 Speaker 2: out to me and we can see what we can

34:16 Speaker 2: work out. Yeah, so I don't push it. Yeah, like

34:21 Speaker 2: either because I don't like I don't like I don't

34:26 Speaker 2: like those pushy people, or like, you know, I can

34:29 Speaker 2: do this, I can do this, like buy my stuff,

34:31 Speaker 2: buy my stuff right right, Like I hate selling my

34:34 Speaker 2: own stuff. I am not good at it whatsoever.

34:37 Speaker 1: Well, the interesting thing though, is for what you do,

34:42 Speaker 1: you kind of you really have an advantage and that

34:45 Speaker 1: you can you can show them what what you can

34:51 Speaker 1: do right up front, right like if you're if you're

34:54 Speaker 1: taking pictures and you can show them, look, these are

34:56 Speaker 1: some photos I took of your live performance or whatever

34:58 Speaker 1: it was you. Then they see they can see right off,

35:02 Speaker 1: right off the bat that you're legit. You obviously know

35:04 Speaker 1: what you're doing because you take great pictures.

35:05 Speaker 2: And I have my art hanging up in the hallway exactly.

35:09 Speaker 1: Yeah.

35:10 Speaker 2: Yes, New Hampshire Underground and Terminus has been like it's

35:14 Speaker 2: they've been a blessing. Eleanor has helped me in so

35:18 Speaker 2: many ways this past year and it's only been a year. Yeah,

35:22 Speaker 2: I feel like I've known her for ever really Yeah,

35:25 Speaker 2: and she's helped me more ways than she can imagine.

35:29 Speaker 2: Like she's always like, what do you because I don't

35:30 Speaker 2: care about status. I don't I don't care about any

35:34 Speaker 2: of that. And she's like, what do you I'm like,

35:37 Speaker 2: you what you're doing for me? And they let me

35:40 Speaker 2: put so much art up and all over there, and

35:44 Speaker 2: I love it and I appreciate it so much because

35:47 Speaker 2: of my creativity. I'm like, oh, there's blank space on

35:49 Speaker 2: that wall.

35:51 Speaker 1: No, that's that's amazing. When you're taking pictures of like

35:55 Speaker 1: say you're taking pictures of someone performing live, is there

36:00 Speaker 1: is there kind of a method to that, I mean,

36:03 Speaker 1: or are you just like, oh, this, this would make

36:05 Speaker 1: a good shot, I'm gonna take this picture or I mean,

36:07 Speaker 1: do you have a strategy for that or do you

36:09 Speaker 1: just kind of do it instinctively or I just do.

36:11 Speaker 2: It instinctively, like kind of like candid. Yeah, they I

36:15 Speaker 2: tell them. I tell them all, don't look at me.

36:18 Speaker 2: I'm not there. Like if I do cross that green line,

36:22 Speaker 2: step on me, step over me, just keep playing. Sure,

36:25 Speaker 2: I'm going to get the shot, but you need to

36:27 Speaker 2: continue to play right. And I do apologize to people

36:30 Speaker 2: out there that when I'm in their shot, because I'm

36:33 Speaker 2: sure there's like some shots that people like. I like.

36:38 Speaker 2: Getting back to where the drummer is and getting photos

36:42 Speaker 2: of the crowd. Yes, because the crowd doesn't get to

36:46 Speaker 2: see what the band sees, right, And then I'm taking

36:50 Speaker 2: pictures of the band of what the crowd sees that

36:53 Speaker 2: the band doesn't get to see.

36:55 Speaker 1: I love those personal like, I love those kind of pictures. Yeah.

36:57 Speaker 2: I like seeing both sides, and sometimes like seeing the crowd.

37:03 Speaker 2: I like to show them because sometimes they're just like

37:05 Speaker 2: standing there sure, and I'm like, hey, it's just some

37:10 Speaker 2: yeah yeah, yeah, but it just shows how many people

37:14 Speaker 2: like you get to see both sides, so that it's

37:18 Speaker 2: both sides of the story.

37:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's Yeah, that's a great way of putting it.

37:22 Speaker 1: When you when you tell somebody, hey, I need a

37:24 Speaker 1: candid shot, don't don't look at me, just do what

37:27 Speaker 1: you're doing. Do some people struggle with that?

37:29 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah they do, because like they'll look at me

37:33 Speaker 2: and smile. But six Minds Combined is the only one

37:37 Speaker 2: that I have allowed to We have a he's got

37:42 Speaker 2: to pause, and I got to get the shot because

37:44 Speaker 2: he moves so much, okay, yeah, and sometimes like his

37:48 Speaker 2: I'll go to get that great shot in his hand,

37:51 Speaker 2: or he moves his face and he I'm like, so

37:53 Speaker 2: we have like these like make eye contact and he

37:56 Speaker 2: kind of pauses just like his movement, so I can

37:58 Speaker 2: get the shots.

37:59 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, yeah, because.

38:01 Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, I'm like, I would be raised so

38:03 Speaker 2: many photos.

38:04 Speaker 1: But it's cool that you have that understanding with him

38:06 Speaker 1: and he gets it obviously, and he's able to accommodate

38:09 Speaker 1: that and you're able to work together that way. That's uh,

38:12 Speaker 1: that's great. Oh, I want to make sure we don't

38:15 Speaker 1: forget this. You showed me something off air, a book,

38:20 Speaker 1: and we do have for those For those watching online,

38:24 Speaker 1: you'll be able to see this because she's holding it up.

38:27 Speaker 1: And if you're if you're just listening, you know, radio

38:30 Speaker 1: is theater of the mind, you'll have to imagine this.

38:31 Speaker 1: But but this is really cool. Okay, So tell us

38:34 Speaker 1: what you've got in your hand there.

38:35 Speaker 2: So this was a book. It's called Kaw c Aw

38:40 Speaker 2: by Clay hurt Bus. I am really sorry Clay if

38:44 Speaker 2: I just butchered. So back in the early two thousands,

38:50 Speaker 2: we worked together and he was writing a book and

38:52 Speaker 2: he's written several and he asked me if I would

38:55 Speaker 2: do some artwork for him.

38:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was like yeah.

38:58 Speaker 2: I was like, that would be awesome, and he's just

39:00 Speaker 2: going to publish it and everything, and he had some

39:04 Speaker 2: medical issues and I'm not sure what happened in between

39:08 Speaker 2: all the time that I've seen him to the time

39:10 Speaker 2: he published it, because he had moved, okay, and I

39:14 Speaker 2: finally we finally contacted each other again through Facebook just recently,

39:20 Speaker 2: and he published the book last year in twenty twenty four.

39:26 Speaker 2: In the book, because he didn't know my last name,

39:28 Speaker 2: he didn't put my name in there as an illustrator.

39:33 Speaker 2: But when you look up online about the book, it

39:35 Speaker 2: says my name as the illustrator. But when he had

39:40 Speaker 2: found me on Facebook, my name was my name and

39:43 Speaker 2: my daughter's name. Okay, so the illustration name is Kegan Lily. Oh,

39:48 Speaker 2: so I think that is going forward. Might be my

39:51 Speaker 2: new illustration name.

39:52 Speaker 1: Oh that's cool.

39:53 Speaker 2: But the book is in English and every single language

39:58 Speaker 2: you can think of on Facebook. Wow, it's Chinese. This

40:01 Speaker 2: one's English and Chinese, and it's double sided. But my

40:07 Speaker 2: art at it's old art from before it kind of

40:11 Speaker 2: got a little more talented. But it's it's amazing that

40:16 Speaker 2: he saved him. Ye, and like my art is international now.

40:21 Speaker 2: Wild and just seeing it in a book, I was like,

40:25 Speaker 2: I've always wanted to be an illustrator of children's books

40:29 Speaker 2: and stuff like that, but yeah, it was. It's really

40:32 Speaker 2: a awesome feeling to that's crazy. Wow, everything that I

40:36 Speaker 2: have wanted and everything I'm working for actually getting there.

40:41 Speaker 2: And I got to thank Eddie for a lot of it,

40:44 Speaker 2: because if he didn't push me to open my Facebook,

40:49 Speaker 2: and like, he just supports me a lot, especially with

40:55 Speaker 2: my photography. We'll be at the show together and then

40:58 Speaker 2: all of a sudden running off to take photos and

41:04 Speaker 2: he sits there and watches me paint for hours. Yeah,

41:08 Speaker 2: create whatever, I'm creating it, but he he supports me,

41:12 Speaker 2: doesn't That's great? Yeah, try to be like you're painting again,

41:16 Speaker 2: right right? And I have gotten paint on like so

41:21 Speaker 2: many things, even our own even our own comforter, and

41:24 Speaker 2: really I paint like I have paint on me now.

41:27 Speaker 2: But he supports me in.

41:29 Speaker 1: It, and yeah, I love him for that. Yeah that's wonderful. Yeah, yeah,

41:34 Speaker 1: absolutely no, It's so important to have a creative partner

41:36 Speaker 1: for for people watching on video. Why don't you hold

41:39 Speaker 1: that up one more time? Yeah, so people can see

41:40 Speaker 1: it and then and where can people get that book?

41:43 Speaker 2: Facebook? I mean not Facebook, Amazon, Amazon?

41:46 Speaker 1: Okay e a w And did he did he inscribe

41:50 Speaker 1: that for you too? Did he write something inside of it?

41:52 Speaker 2: Because I saw he said Kegan, thanks for the beautiful artwork.

41:56 Speaker 1: Very nice. That is so cool. And so that was

41:59 Speaker 1: a surprise right when that came out.

42:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, because he said I published the book and I

42:04 Speaker 2: was like, no way, And so I looked it up

42:08 Speaker 2: and he sent them. I bought one prior to him

42:12 Speaker 2: sending it to me. My mom's like I want that,

42:16 Speaker 2: Like you can have it because he's sending me one.

42:18 Speaker 2: And he sent me two of them, a hardcover and

42:21 Speaker 2: the soft cover. The other one's English and Swedish no kidding,

42:25 Speaker 2: and he wrote in both of them. But it was amazing.

42:30 Speaker 2: And it's so weird to see my artwork in there

42:33 Speaker 2: because I remember doing it and then just the style

42:36 Speaker 2: of it, I'm like, yeah, that's totally art.

42:41 Speaker 1: That's extremely cool. So what's kind of your your long

42:44 Speaker 1: term trajectory do you think or do you know, like

42:47 Speaker 1: do you want to do you wanna do you have

42:51 Speaker 1: like a focus, like like is it is it doing

42:54 Speaker 1: artwork for for album covers? Is it photography is it

42:59 Speaker 1: do you know?

43:00 Speaker 2: Just doing art where it I don't want it to

43:03 Speaker 2: be a job. I love doing art. I don't want

43:07 Speaker 2: it to become a job because really, if you think

43:09 Speaker 2: about it, if that's where you're gonna go, I gotta

43:11 Speaker 2: go do this. I gotta go do this, Like you

43:13 Speaker 2: don't want to do it because you have to. I

43:16 Speaker 2: want I do it because I want to do it

43:19 Speaker 2: because I have that freedom of it's my like, it's

43:22 Speaker 2: my getaway, my break, it's my Higans world. But it's

43:28 Speaker 2: the minute it becomes a job, I'm like, I'm not

43:30 Speaker 2: interested anymore. And I want to just be able to

43:37 Speaker 2: do it or don't do it right. And I mean

43:41 Speaker 2: I loved I love doing it, so don't get me wrong.

43:44 Speaker 2: I'm not going to be like I don't want to

43:45 Speaker 2: do that. But if there is something that I'm just

43:48 Speaker 2: I'm just not in the mood for it, or I

43:49 Speaker 2: don't have the time, I want to be able to

43:50 Speaker 2: say I'm sorry, I don't have the time to do this.

43:54 Speaker 2: And then but I know other artists because I've met

43:57 Speaker 2: some amazing artists.

43:59 Speaker 1: Oh I can imagine and yeah, Lily's.

44:01 Speaker 2: Amazing, and I met Chelsea she's an amazing photographer, and

44:09 Speaker 2: there's so many options, especially meeting all through New Hampshire Underground.

44:16 Speaker 2: They have Andrea and Eleanor has brought so many of

44:20 Speaker 2: us together, Like I finally found like a group I

44:23 Speaker 2: can relate to and belong to and like feel comfortable

44:27 Speaker 2: and not like at one of those fancy, like little

44:31 Speaker 2: cliche art gallerries and everyone's kind of like snubbing you.

44:36 Speaker 2: And because I mean obviously I don't dress like I

44:39 Speaker 2: belong in there. I paint on my own pants.

44:42 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Jenny had her art hanging there at one point,

44:49 Speaker 1: which was really cool. And and actually, you know I

44:53 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier we had Jesse Rutstein along with Caleb Caleb

44:57 Speaker 1: Dyer here on the show last week, and we met

45:00 Speaker 1: Jesse at Terminus during the open house.

45:04 Speaker 2: Yes, he actually just played on last weekend.

45:07 Speaker 1: Oh right right, yeah, after yeah, after the It was

45:09 Speaker 1: the same same weekend as the interview. Yeah yeah, so yeah, No,

45:13 Speaker 1: they've done They've done a wonderful job there, and you're right,

45:16 Speaker 1: bringing people together absolutely absolutely so. Now, if somebody, you know,

45:21 Speaker 1: because a lot of musicians listen to the show, a

45:23 Speaker 1: lot of industry people, if somebody wants to work with you, Like,

45:26 Speaker 1: what what's the best way for them to reach out

45:28 Speaker 1: to you?

45:28 Speaker 2: This message me on Facebook? Yeah, like through Facebook Messenger. Yeah,

45:33 Speaker 2: I'm really horrible about my email, which I try not

45:36 Speaker 2: to be. But my email addresses on my business cards.

45:39 Speaker 2: But it also has my Instagram and my Facebook on there.

45:43 Speaker 1: Okay, and how do they find you on Facebook? Again?

45:46 Speaker 2: But my art by kf All one word okay? And

45:49 Speaker 2: then it's got a picture of a pink and black lily, yeah,

45:54 Speaker 2: which I put that on my business card for my daughter.

45:56 Speaker 1: Oh okay.

45:57 Speaker 2: It's a show her that it doesn't matter when you start.

46:01 Speaker 2: You can do whatever you want to do. You can

46:04 Speaker 2: create things.

46:05 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think that's really cool.

46:07 Speaker 2: Even she's benefited. Her first concert was Green Jello, Yes

46:13 Speaker 2: Jelly at Terminus. Yes, she passed kindergarten screening and she

46:20 Speaker 2: got to go through pool noodles with man speaker.

46:22 Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, that was quite a night. Yeah, that all

46:26 Speaker 1: happened because Green Jelly or Jello, I never know which

46:30 Speaker 1: to call him. They had been on the show. And

46:33 Speaker 1: then Bill was talking to Jenny about you know, where

46:36 Speaker 1: can we play in New Hampshire when we come back

46:38 Speaker 1: through And then Jenny connected with Eleanor and worked on

46:41 Speaker 1: that and getting that all booked and that was a

46:43 Speaker 1: lot of fun, although when they were on the show

46:45 Speaker 1: that day. So it's probably one of my most favorite

46:47 Speaker 1: interviews ever, but also the most nerve wracking. I think

46:51 Speaker 1: I hit the dump button because we're on an eight

46:52 Speaker 1: second delay in case anything, you know. I think I

46:55 Speaker 1: hit the dump button five times during during that, and

46:58 Speaker 1: the whole time I was just sing here like, don't

47:00 Speaker 1: get me fired, don't get me fired.

47:02 Speaker 2: I'm being surprised by my own self because the F

47:06 Speaker 2: bomb is like I'm Irish. Yeah, it's just it's the

47:11 Speaker 2: word like in Ireland. Yeah, so it's natural, and I'm like,

47:15 Speaker 2: don't swear.

47:16 Speaker 1: No, You've done great well. The thing is, though, that

47:19 Speaker 1: the trick is to not not worry about it and

47:21 Speaker 1: overthink it, because so many people they come on the

47:23 Speaker 1: show and they're like, oh, I hope I don't swear. Oh,

47:25 Speaker 1: but I don't swear, And it's the people who worry

47:27 Speaker 1: about it, you know, they worry about it and then

47:29 Speaker 1: then it ends up being fine. But like I tell everybody,

47:31 Speaker 1: we're on an eight second delay, so if the worst happens,

47:34 Speaker 1: I can catch it. But but no, I think I

47:38 Speaker 1: think when when those guys were on the show, I

47:40 Speaker 1: think I hit the dumb button five times total. And

47:42 Speaker 1: it wasn't all swears a couple you know, there might

47:45 Speaker 1: have been a drug reference. I was uncomfortable with, you know,

47:47 Speaker 1: just anything it went in doubt. I reached for the dump.

47:51 Speaker 2: Slim had a really big effect on Lily, like she

47:54 Speaker 2: wanted she has a Yuku Leley, but like she wanted

47:58 Speaker 2: to be a rock jammer.

48:00 Speaker 1: Oh that's cool.

48:01 Speaker 2: She would have me take she had me take a

48:02 Speaker 2: video and then send it to her. Yeah, and it

48:05 Speaker 2: was It's cute because Slim ended up sending her a

48:09 Speaker 2: video saying like happy birthday to her. It was like

48:12 Speaker 2: really great, Like it's just showing that these other artists

48:17 Speaker 2: inspire other people. Yeah, it doesn't matter what age group.

48:21 Speaker 2: And Slim was afraid, like she would scare Lily at

48:23 Speaker 2: the show, and because Lily was kind of like, oh,

48:27 Speaker 2: what are you wearing? Yeah, and that was her biggest thing. Oh,

48:31 Speaker 2: Lily wasn't afraid of her, but she was like what

48:33 Speaker 2: are you wearing? And then after that she's like I

48:35 Speaker 2: want to be like her, I want to be a

48:37 Speaker 2: rock star. I was like all right, go for it kid.

48:39 Speaker 1: Oh wow, oh that's cool.

48:41 Speaker 2: That's very and now she's on to now she wants

48:44 Speaker 2: to be a Samurais or whatever thing.

48:47 Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, well, uh Kegan crafty k, thank you

48:55 Speaker 1: so much. This has been wonderful. Thank you. We'll definitely

48:57 Speaker 1: do it again in the future. And uh, I think

49:00 Speaker 1: we should probably close out with who I Am track

49:02 Speaker 1: from Hotwax. Hostly can maybe glow to end the segment,

49:06 Speaker 1: and thank you everyone who joined us today on the show.

49:08 Speaker 1: Of course Jamie Higgs in the second hour and in

49:11 Speaker 1: the first hour we had three times seven both via

49:13 Speaker 1: WhatsApp all the way from the UK. And if you

49:16 Speaker 1: missed any part of today's show, it will be up

49:18 Speaker 1: in just a little bit at Wmnhradio dot org and

49:21 Speaker 1: at my website Matt Connorton dot com. Jenny is not

49:24 Speaker 1: here today, but she is at an event or on

49:26 Speaker 1: her way to an event, going on and conquered, so

49:29 Speaker 1: make sure to keep up with everything she's doing. Go

49:32 Speaker 1: to Jencoffee dot com. She's doing a lot of great activism.

49:35 Speaker 1: I'm so proud of her. And if you want to

49:36 Speaker 1: keep up with everything I'm doing, you can go to

49:38 Speaker 1: Matt connorton dot com. And this is SummerSlam weekend, by

49:41 Speaker 1: the way, so keep an eye on your social media

49:43 Speaker 1: because at some point Eric Pilcher and I are going

49:46 Speaker 1: to do a live stream of Tough Bumps, probably tonight's

49:50 Speaker 1: night one of SummerSlam, So we'll probably go live after

49:52 Speaker 1: that and talk about what we saw on what happened

49:54 Speaker 1: and all that good stuff, and we might do another

49:56 Speaker 1: one tomorrow. We'll see. So there's a lot going on

49:59 Speaker 1: and so please just just keep an eye on the

50:02 Speaker 1: socials and you'll be able to see it all. Let's see,

50:05 Speaker 1: so I think, yeah, so we'll end with this, We'll

50:07 Speaker 1: end with glow. This is from who I Am and

50:10 Speaker 1: Trax and their new release called Hot Wax and Crafty k.

50:15 Speaker 1: Thank you again, thank you and uh oh and if

50:18 Speaker 1: you miss any part of today's so it'll be up

50:19 Speaker 1: in just a little bit at wmnhradio dot org and

50:22 Speaker 1: my website Matt Connorton dot com, and we'll talk at

50:24 Speaker 1: you a little bit later.