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1:15 Speaker 4: through room, through both LEAs I know you left me question.

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1:27 Speaker 4: foot what we know is right, and making not demands,

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1:38 Speaker 1: You've already won.

1:39 Speaker 4: It's all about the combined. Some time is an illusion.

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1:50 Speaker 4: finding fly past, not to find us, climbing higher than

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1:54 Speaker 4: resounding off the atmosphere.

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2:07 Speaker 1: all out.

2:08 Speaker 5: Day painting on this canon, last our sparks left. We're

2:21 Speaker 5: burning like the stars. We've got scars as.

2:32 Speaker 1: We've earned them working on so well, you know, well,

2:43 Speaker 1: you know well, you know that you got this, said, well,

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3:04 Speaker 4: to sit and settle myself done before I hear it

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3:16 Speaker 4: doors are torn down? How many more before I'm forced

3:19 Speaker 4: to lay down and take a break, Before I break

3:22 Speaker 4: and fade out? Listen and that this it's got me

3:24 Speaker 4: thinking about what's missing. It's insensitive, obsessing over every single mistake,

3:28 Speaker 4: taking time and making rhymes to take my minds up

3:30 Speaker 4: all this sickness witness in between the lines of something

3:32 Speaker 4: written you got this, you got this?

3:56 Speaker 1: Well you know, well you know? Will you know that

4:01 Speaker 1: you got this? Said, well you know? Will you know?

4:11 Speaker 1: Will you know that you got this?

4:14 Speaker 6: M You can through these windows, watching people following wind blows,

4:20 Speaker 6: holding on the hope that no wind folds beneath the

4:22 Speaker 6: weight of carry getting their burdens, hurting inside and out,

4:24 Speaker 6: trying trying to be something someday, some way, somehow, someone

4:27 Speaker 6: that they can be proud of, sure the work what

4:29 Speaker 6: they climbed out of, holding onto who they were while

4:31 Speaker 6: turning into something more.

4:32 Speaker 4: Be putting keys in their own doors, ensuring needs to

4:34 Speaker 4: just be sure so they won't need to need no more. Indeed,

4:36 Speaker 4: we plead to leave this core, imploring we don't need

4:38 Speaker 4: to work, and we can be without being forced, without

4:41 Speaker 4: being forced, without being forced, without.

4:44 Speaker 6: Being forced, without being poor, without being poor, without being without.

5:06 Speaker 7: I love that we haven't listened to that one in

5:08 Speaker 7: a while. That is running through a mansion by six

5:10 Speaker 7: minds combined. Welcome back, everybody. We have entered our number

5:14 Speaker 7: three new marrow. Trace of Matt Connerton Unleashed and we

5:17 Speaker 7: are live from the studios of wm NH ninety five

5:21 Speaker 7: point three FM and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. Of course,

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5:29 Speaker 7: live streaming options, social media links, contact infosh archives, et cetera,

5:33 Speaker 7: et cetera. If you are listening live today is Saturday

5:35 Speaker 7: August two, two thousand and twenty five, and joining us

5:40 Speaker 7: now live in studio. Let me get that mic up here.

5:43 Speaker 7: We have a craft yk with that camera on you

5:46 Speaker 7: there too, because you've got you've got some cool stuff

5:49 Speaker 7: to show us. But of course from also on Facebook,

5:53 Speaker 7: you're my art by KF, My art by KF and

5:56 Speaker 7: of course Chaotic Photography that's the k right yep. So

6:01 Speaker 7: it's wonderful to have you here. We met through Terminus Underground,

6:05 Speaker 7: right is that's where we met initially. Yes, you've you've taken.

6:08 Speaker 7: I was talking about you at the top of the

6:10 Speaker 7: show today talking about what's coming up, and I did

6:12 Speaker 7: mention that you've Many of the photographs, the great photographs

6:16 Speaker 7: of artists, especially performing live, have been taken by you

6:22 Speaker 7: those are your pictures.

6:24 Speaker 8: I every time I'm able to get there and the

6:27 Speaker 8: bands are playing, I talk to them. I get the

6:30 Speaker 8: permission to be up their butts with my camera because

6:34 Speaker 8: I like to get the shots that.

6:35 Speaker 9: Nobody else gets.

6:36 Speaker 8: Yeah, and yes, I do use my phone, but I

6:40 Speaker 8: don't consider myself a photographer.

6:43 Speaker 9: I'm an artist.

6:44 Speaker 8: So I'm going to use whatever medium I have at

6:47 Speaker 8: that time that's going to fit that project. Yeah, and

6:52 Speaker 8: then take them and then when I develop them, I

6:56 Speaker 8: have them. Well I don't have I give them to

7:00 Speaker 8: andre and at Terminus and he puts them in the frames,

7:03 Speaker 8: and we have the Hallway of Fame.

7:06 Speaker 9: Yes, of Terminus.

7:08 Speaker 8: So if you play there and I'm able to capture you,

7:11 Speaker 8: you go into the hallway.

7:12 Speaker 7: Yep. Yeah, absolutely. Hey do me a favorite. Can you

7:16 Speaker 7: just turn that mic towards you a little bit? Yeah,

7:18 Speaker 7: and no, just so it's like you're talking straight into it. Oh, perfect, perfect. Yeah.

7:21 Speaker 7: The MIC's are very they very sensitive. I just want

7:23 Speaker 7: to make sure everybody can hear you. Okay, no, that's

7:26 Speaker 7: uh yeah. And I always tell people too. The first

7:29 Speaker 7: time you go to Terminus, it's kind of like walking

7:31 Speaker 7: into another world, you know, especially when you go into

7:33 Speaker 7: that room. You know, well, the hallway is impressive, right

7:36 Speaker 7: because the last time i've Jenny and I were there

7:37 Speaker 7: for the open house, and I think at that point

7:39 Speaker 7: there was already some of your pictures that you had

7:41 Speaker 7: take and that were that were put up and it

7:43 Speaker 7: was like, wow, this is really cool.

7:44 Speaker 8: Yes, Eleanor has allowed me to keep my art up

7:50 Speaker 8: there like seven yeah, yeah, and which I am willing

7:54 Speaker 8: to share. But I'm the rock Star member and as

7:58 Speaker 8: a right now, I think I'm might be the only

8:01 Speaker 8: artist artist, but I do believe she has another rock

8:03 Speaker 8: so I member. Now I'm not sure what his medium is.

8:08 Speaker 8: But I started painting a year and a half ago,

8:14 Speaker 8: and before that was all pencil and I finally was like,

8:19 Speaker 8: you know what, I'm going to try this out, and

8:21 Speaker 8: all of a sudden, I just started painting everything and

8:26 Speaker 8: I absolutely love it. And I just keep building my

8:30 Speaker 8: art into every If it interested me, I'm going to

8:33 Speaker 8: do it. So I just now I got into taking pictures.

8:39 Speaker 7: Wait, so did the did the photography come later?

8:42 Speaker 3: That?

8:42 Speaker 7: Like? What what came first? In terms of your of

8:45 Speaker 7: your creating art?

8:46 Speaker 8: So I've always done pencil, drawing, pencil and paper like

8:50 Speaker 8: you will never take that away from me. Okay, I

8:52 Speaker 8: can bring it everywhere. I can create what I want

8:54 Speaker 8: with that in any kind of setting. And then I

8:58 Speaker 8: started a little bit photography, but not as much as

9:02 Speaker 8: I've been doing now. Okay, I've always done crafting. And

9:07 Speaker 8: then just like I said a year and a half ago,

9:09 Speaker 8: I started really painting like I did paintings, but I

9:14 Speaker 8: never wanted to show anybody really Yeah, and then I had, like,

9:20 Speaker 8: you have that event in your life that either pulls

9:22 Speaker 8: you down brings you up. Mine pulled me down and

9:25 Speaker 8: I refused to sit down and refuse to lay down.

9:28 Speaker 9: So I made it bring me up.

9:31 Speaker 8: And people started seeing it and they were like, no,

9:34 Speaker 8: we got to get we got to get this out,

9:36 Speaker 8: We got to get this out.

9:37 Speaker 9: And I was like what. I was like, no, no,

9:38 Speaker 9: no no.

9:39 Speaker 8: And my boyfriend Eddie set up my Facebook page and

9:44 Speaker 8: my Instagram page for me and just started putting my

9:50 Speaker 8: art out there.

9:51 Speaker 7: Yeah. Something that we talk about a lot on the

9:54 Speaker 7: show is, in fact, it came up with my previous guest,

10:00 Speaker 7: Jamie Higgs. Uh is you know, using art, whether it

10:04 Speaker 7: be visual art or music or whatever art it is

10:06 Speaker 7: that you're creating using it is really sort of a

10:08 Speaker 7: form of therapy and working through things because sometimes it's hard,

10:14 Speaker 7: especially and Jamie and I talked about this specifically. Sometimes

10:17 Speaker 7: it's hard, especially when you're dealing with you know, major

10:20 Speaker 7: life events or any kind of trauma, you know, to

10:24 Speaker 7: to talk about that stuff and to be able to

10:27 Speaker 7: emote everything that you're dealing with. But using art as

10:31 Speaker 7: a way to kind of channel that and that that

10:35 Speaker 7: expression and working through, working through your feelings and then

10:38 Speaker 7: what winds up happening is not only is it great

10:41 Speaker 7: therapy for you, but it also is something that other

10:44 Speaker 7: people can connect with. So it's a way of you

10:46 Speaker 7: help yourself and you also wind up helping other people too. Well.

10:51 Speaker 8: Mine wasn't. Mine wasn't so much for therapy For me.

10:55 Speaker 8: It was getting people to understand how I felt.

10:59 Speaker 7: Sure, sure it was because being able to communicate that.

11:03 Speaker 9: Yeah, and that's how I communicate.

11:04 Speaker 8: I'm not very good with words, as you can hear now,

11:08 Speaker 8: but through my art, I can express myself. I can

11:12 Speaker 8: tell tell how you can feel it. You can see

11:15 Speaker 8: how I'm feeling or what I'm trying to say versus

11:19 Speaker 8: me actually trying to say it. Because I talk NonStop

11:23 Speaker 8: I'm Adhd, So Nope, everybody kind of tunes me out sometimes.

11:29 Speaker 7: The Adhd. Does that play a role in your art?

11:31 Speaker 7: Do you think? Oh, definitely, there's a specific reason. I'm

11:34 Speaker 7: curious about that. So, I don't know if you're familiar

11:36 Speaker 7: with doctor Kevin. He's from Nashua, doctor Kevin ross Emory.

11:41 Speaker 7: I think Eleanor, Yeah, Eleanor knows him. I've known doctor

11:44 Speaker 7: Kevin for like twenty years and he's amazing. But he's

11:46 Speaker 7: done a lot of work in add adhd. He's written

11:51 Speaker 7: some books. One of the books he's written about it

11:52 Speaker 7: is called Managing the Gift, and the premise of the

11:55 Speaker 7: book is, look, if this is something that you have

11:57 Speaker 7: or maybe your child has, this is not but this

12:01 Speaker 7: is not a disorder. This is not a bad thing.

12:03 Speaker 7: This is not something you have to figure out how

12:08 Speaker 7: to overcome. This is something you should use because people

12:12 Speaker 7: with this are creative and and there's a there's a

12:16 Speaker 7: lot of things if you use it correctly. There are

12:19 Speaker 7: a lot of things about ad d adhd. That's that's

12:22 Speaker 7: how he puts it, that that can actually be very

12:25 Speaker 7: helpful and useful to you and accomplishing things. And also

12:28 Speaker 7: and specifically in being creative.

12:31 Speaker 8: Oh, definitely, like you can my friend's six minds combined.

12:35 Speaker 8: You can ask him. You give me one idea, I'll

12:38 Speaker 8: give you twenty. And it's why you're trying to solve

12:41 Speaker 8: one thing. I've already solved it. I'm working on something else.

12:44 Speaker 8: And it's my hyper focus. Yes, what calms me down.

12:48 Speaker 8: It just kind of centers me. My mom calls it.

12:52 Speaker 8: He gets the world and I just get stuck in

12:56 Speaker 8: it sometimes though that I forget everything else.

12:58 Speaker 7: Really.

12:59 Speaker 9: Yeah, so it's.

13:00 Speaker 7: Gonna be hyper focusing. That's another thing that comes with it. Yeah. Yeah.

13:03 Speaker 9: It's got its curses and it's got its blessings.

13:06 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean I think I have

13:09 Speaker 7: a little bit of that myself because I tend to

13:12 Speaker 7: I can really kind of hyper focus on things. And

13:15 Speaker 7: I remember doctor Kevin and I having a conversation about

13:17 Speaker 7: it and he said, yeah, Matt, you've definitely got some

13:20 Speaker 7: You've got some of these traits.

13:22 Speaker 8: In the eighties, nobody was diagnosed with that. We were

13:24 Speaker 8: just kids and we were hyper and right watch and

13:27 Speaker 8: we got set next to the teacher.

13:29 Speaker 7: Yeah exactly exactly. So do you ever is it ever

13:37 Speaker 7: a challenge in terms of you know, because you're using

13:40 Speaker 7: your art to try to communicate things to people that

13:43 Speaker 7: are not easy to communicate with words. Does that generally

13:48 Speaker 7: is that pretty easy for you to express yourself that

13:51 Speaker 7: way or do you ever run into challenges with that

13:53 Speaker 7: where maybe you create art that is not that you

13:56 Speaker 7: feel is not adequately portraying what it is that you're

13:59 Speaker 7: trying to get across.

14:01 Speaker 8: When I do pretty pictures, yeah, I can create the

14:04 Speaker 8: most beautiful, pretty flowers and everything like that and like

14:09 Speaker 8: how I'm feeling in that moment, but you look at

14:11 Speaker 8: it and it's it To me personally, it just feels generic.

14:18 Speaker 8: And my art sometimes gets a little darkish, I guess,

14:24 Speaker 8: And it's not for everybody, but the ones that do

14:28 Speaker 8: understand it and can feel it, there's there's like a

14:33 Speaker 8: group for that. But I can create art for all

14:36 Speaker 8: types of groups, sure, I just and I also try

14:40 Speaker 8: to fit it into what I'm doing. Like New Hampshire

14:46 Speaker 8: Underground Terminus they did the punk rock Masquerade and I

14:51 Speaker 8: was like, oh my gosh, I have to do this,

14:54 Speaker 8: So I created masks in case people didn't bring their own,

14:58 Speaker 8: they could purchase some. And I don't sell any of

15:01 Speaker 8: my art for expensive prices because I feel I want

15:05 Speaker 8: my art to go out and it create, it just

15:08 Speaker 8: builds something in me to create more when somebody wants

15:11 Speaker 8: to buy my art. And so I created like a

15:15 Speaker 8: couple of them, and then I did a couple more,

15:18 Speaker 8: and then I ended up like fifty of them and

15:21 Speaker 8: I have five left.

15:23 Speaker 9: So it was like amazing.

15:25 Speaker 8: And then I went on to the next show she

15:28 Speaker 8: did and I created what was it like zombie boxes?

15:35 Speaker 8: Will you survivor will you die? Like pick your fate?

15:38 Speaker 8: And I had things inside them, so.

15:40 Speaker 9: Like I loved.

15:42 Speaker 8: Just creating things for things and it just I don't know,

15:47 Speaker 8: my brain just starts like firing off and I can't stop.

15:51 Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, I'm always amazed at you know, Jenny, she

15:57 Speaker 7: makes an incredible painting, you know, and it's uh and

16:02 Speaker 7: you know, my brain is not Like I have no

16:05 Speaker 7: in terms of visual art. I have no artistic ability whatsoever.

16:08 Speaker 7: You know, Like if you asked me to draw a person,

16:09 Speaker 7: I could draw you a stick figure. That's a best set.

16:13 Speaker 7: I'm very comfortable with acknowledging my lack of ability in

16:18 Speaker 7: that area, you know. I mean I'm artistic in other ways,

16:20 Speaker 7: like I'm a musician, I can create music and whatnot,

16:22 Speaker 7: but I can't create any kind of visual art at all.

16:25 Speaker 7: I hate it so much. So I was aware of

16:27 Speaker 7: this from a very young age. When I was a kid,

16:30 Speaker 7: I hated art class. I went to Saint John's Regional

16:35 Speaker 7: and Conquered from grade two to grade eight, and these

16:38 Speaker 7: art teachers would come in like once a week or

16:40 Speaker 7: once every other week. It seemed like it wasn't very consistent,

16:43 Speaker 7: but and I would feel like, like me and probably

16:47 Speaker 7: a couple of the other kids in the class to

16:49 Speaker 7: have about thirty kids, but I really felt this. I

16:52 Speaker 7: felt like they were trying to force me to be

16:55 Speaker 7: artistic in a way that was not possible. I even

16:58 Speaker 7: have a very specific memory of this. We're painting. We're

17:01 Speaker 7: using watercolors or something to paint this stuff, and I

17:04 Speaker 7: remember just sitting there at one point I remember this.

17:07 Speaker 7: This memory sticks with me. I was in grade school.

17:11 Speaker 7: I don't remember what grade, but I'm sitting there trying

17:13 Speaker 7: to paint this picture. And at a certain point, I'm

17:16 Speaker 7: just painting the same tree over and over. I'm just

17:19 Speaker 7: going over and over because I'm trying to look busy

17:22 Speaker 7: at that point, because I got to look like I'm

17:24 Speaker 7: doing something and then the art teacher actually comes over

17:27 Speaker 7: and says to me, Matt, you're just painting the same

17:28 Speaker 7: tree over and over. And I'm like, oh, that didn't work,

17:30 Speaker 7: you know what I mean. But I but I recognize

17:32 Speaker 7: that in myself pretty young, I have no ability that

17:37 Speaker 7: in that zone. So I always marvel at people who do, because,

17:42 Speaker 7: you know, I look at Jenny's paintings, it's like, how

17:44 Speaker 7: did you do that? Like, because my brain can't, you

17:47 Speaker 7: know what I mean. Or Jenny makes this incredible macroma

17:50 Speaker 7: and I'm like, my brain can't do the math because

17:53 Speaker 7: it's geometry.

17:54 Speaker 8: I've tried macromay and I can do plant hangers. Yeah,

17:58 Speaker 8: but what she does there's like it's too much counting

18:02 Speaker 8: and it's wild.

18:04 Speaker 9: Yeah, I've tried it. It's fun.

18:06 Speaker 8: It's kind of you know, just sit there, nothing to

18:08 Speaker 8: do and you can create something.

18:10 Speaker 7: But yeah, yeah, and she'll and she'll tell you she's

18:13 Speaker 7: not good at math, but clearly, on a subconscious level,

18:18 Speaker 7: she's very good at geometry because you have to be

18:21 Speaker 7: to do that, and she does it. It looks almost

18:23 Speaker 7: effortless that when she does it, she'll she'll make stuff.

18:27 Speaker 7: During the show, she'll be she's not here today because

18:30 Speaker 7: she's got an event, but you know, she'll be sitting

18:31 Speaker 7: over there just making stuff. And then at the end

18:33 Speaker 7: of the show she says, Oh, look what I made.

18:35 Speaker 7: It's like, how it's incredible.

18:38 Speaker 3: Yeah.

18:38 Speaker 9: I actually I failed art class, did you.

18:41 Speaker 8: Yeah, like the in grade school, I got a's in it,

18:45 Speaker 8: and then towards high school, junior high, high school, I

18:51 Speaker 8: started failing. And it was because they were like they,

18:55 Speaker 8: like you said they want. They were like forcing you

18:58 Speaker 8: to do certain things. Yeah, and then I would do

19:01 Speaker 8: it and They're like, you didn't do it this way.

19:02 Speaker 8: I'm like, I'm not that artist. I can't do that right,

19:05 Speaker 8: Like I put the effort in. I did what I

19:08 Speaker 8: could do. Or they're like there's too much. I'm like,

19:10 Speaker 8: I don't I want all that there? Right, they're not

19:13 Speaker 8: enough there. I'm like I don't want anything there, and

19:15 Speaker 8: they would get frustrated with me, and I was just

19:19 Speaker 8: I didn't care. I'm like, I'm going to create art, yeah,

19:22 Speaker 8: and that's what I do. I tried playing the clarinet

19:25 Speaker 8: in sixth grade. My mom told me to stick with

19:27 Speaker 8: the pencils.

19:29 Speaker 9: I was my family's musically inclined.

19:32 Speaker 7: Okay.

19:33 Speaker 8: My uncle played in a band when I was ten,

19:39 Speaker 8: so like early nineties.

19:41 Speaker 9: It was the Wounded Hearts. He was the drummer.

19:43 Speaker 7: Okay.

19:44 Speaker 9: He was actually the first band I ever did art for.

19:48 Speaker 7: Oh no kidding.

19:49 Speaker 9: He asked me to.

19:50 Speaker 8: Create something for their band T shirt or something like that,

19:55 Speaker 8: and it was a handrew. I drew a hand holding

19:58 Speaker 8: an atomic heart and it was leading and they didn't,

20:05 Speaker 8: I guess go on or something happened. I'm not really sure.

20:07 Speaker 8: I was sure I was ten, and then I've forgotten

20:11 Speaker 8: about it for all these years. And then the next

20:13 Speaker 8: one I started doing art or was six months combined,

20:17 Speaker 8: and from there I've done Temple Mountain, I did photography

20:24 Speaker 8: for Esse Jesse Rustin.

20:26 Speaker 7: And Jesse was here last week.

20:28 Speaker 8: Yeah, and then I did the album cover for Lacey

20:31 Speaker 8: who am I? Yes, yes, yeah, I'm hoping to continue

20:36 Speaker 8: to do more like that for other bands, especially the

20:39 Speaker 8: newer bands, like I want them not to use AI,

20:43 Speaker 8: like please, you guys don't use AI to find the

20:46 Speaker 8: artists like myself, And there's so many of us out

20:49 Speaker 8: there that are like, I got nothing to do and

20:54 Speaker 8: I don't charge, Like I said, I don't charge a lot, especially.

20:57 Speaker 9: For new bands.

20:58 Speaker 7: Sure, sure, because all.

21:00 Speaker 9: Of us are starting out. So who the heck has

21:02 Speaker 9: all that money?

21:02 Speaker 7: Right? Right? If you're just joining us a crafty k

21:06 Speaker 7: is that the right thing? And your Facebook handle my

21:09 Speaker 7: art by KF, my art by KF. I have a

21:12 Speaker 7: mental block one.

21:12 Speaker 8: Well it's my first and it's my initials. Okay, So

21:15 Speaker 8: everything I do in my art instead of writing KF,

21:19 Speaker 8: I do a heart with a K on it.

21:20 Speaker 7: Okay.

21:21 Speaker 9: That way it kind of combines everything together.

21:24 Speaker 7: Okay, okay, and KF chaotic photography right, Yes, so you

21:28 Speaker 7: spelled photography with an F. So for people looking for

21:31 Speaker 7: you online, where's the best way for people to find

21:33 Speaker 7: you online?

21:34 Speaker 9: I use Facebook more than I do Instagram.

21:36 Speaker 7: Okay.

21:37 Speaker 8: Instagram only allows you to post so many pictures at

21:40 Speaker 8: a time, but Facebook I can load one hundred and

21:43 Speaker 8: something on there.

21:44 Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, so you mentioned AI. This is another subject

21:50 Speaker 7: that comes up all the time on the show, whether

21:53 Speaker 7: it's whether it's about visual art or certainly about music.

22:00 Speaker 7: I'm really curious to explore that subject with you a

22:02 Speaker 7: little bit. I mean I mean what, like, like, what

22:06 Speaker 7: is what is it that you tell? So what do

22:08 Speaker 7: you tell? What do you tell musicians who you work

22:11 Speaker 7: with when you're when you're having that conversation with them, Uh, like, like,

22:14 Speaker 7: what what's kind of your pitch to say? Please don't

22:17 Speaker 7: use AI. I know it's tempting, but please don't do it.

22:21 Speaker 7: And here's why, Like what do you say AI?

22:24 Speaker 8: You can put in the words and you can describe

22:28 Speaker 8: what you want. AI will pop something up. Who's to

22:32 Speaker 8: say that's not going to be used for somebody else's description.

22:37 Speaker 8: It could be just a little bit of a different color.

22:39 Speaker 8: It could be used a little bit of different that.

22:41 Speaker 8: And yes, same thing with artists, but you don't have

22:47 Speaker 8: that freedom and openness of can we change.

22:50 Speaker 9: This a little bit? Can we change that a little bit?

22:52 Speaker 8: Can we tweak this? Can we tweak that? Can we

22:55 Speaker 8: add in this? Can we take this out?

22:57 Speaker 7: Yeah?

22:57 Speaker 8: Because you're trying to get a computer to understan stand what.

23:00 Speaker 9: You want and that doesn't always happen.

23:04 Speaker 8: Yeah, So then you're just like, you know whatever, we're

23:06 Speaker 8: just going to go with it and you're not totally

23:08 Speaker 8: happy with it.

23:09 Speaker 9: But with me, I can.

23:11 Speaker 8: Take I can take an eraser out and just yep,

23:13 Speaker 8: I'll take that right out right, I'll move this and

23:17 Speaker 8: we can choose the colors you want. We can choose

23:20 Speaker 8: the form like painting, pencil, pen photography. You have more

23:26 Speaker 8: options than you do with AI. I mean AI is

23:30 Speaker 8: great to use for some things, sure, but not for everything.

23:36 Speaker 7: Right right, yeah, I mean my own experience with it,

23:39 Speaker 7: I can tell you it's hard to get it to

23:44 Speaker 7: understand sometimes exactly what it is that you're looking for.

23:47 Speaker 7: It is great for some things, but when it comes

23:49 Speaker 7: to graphics, when it comes to images, actually, my first

23:53 Speaker 7: time trying to make any kind of an image. We

23:55 Speaker 7: had done we had done a segment on the show

23:58 Speaker 7: about I don't know if you follow it. There hasn't

24:01 Speaker 7: been any new news on it, but the Daryl Hall

24:02 Speaker 7: versus John Oates lawsuit, that whole legal drama. We had

24:06 Speaker 7: done a segment on the show about it, and I

24:09 Speaker 7: tried to get Dolly three to create I needed a

24:15 Speaker 7: YouTube thumbnail and I wanted an image of Daryl Hall

24:19 Speaker 7: and John Oates in a boxing ring and there and

24:22 Speaker 7: they're boxing. I thought that would be funny. And this

24:25 Speaker 7: was my first time trying to create a graphic using AI,

24:29 Speaker 7: and it actually wouldn't do it. And I guess it's

24:33 Speaker 7: got a rule about putting celebrities and violent situations or

24:38 Speaker 7: that was because it actually told me why it couldn't

24:41 Speaker 7: do it.

24:42 Speaker 9: And see me, I don't have I don't have any restrictions.

24:45 Speaker 7: Right exactly exactly. Yeah, what ended up happening was so

24:49 Speaker 7: I couldn't do the boxing thing, and I kept working

24:52 Speaker 7: with it and trying to get it to compromise with me.

24:55 Speaker 7: So what I finally came up with was it it

24:58 Speaker 7: created and I didn't even ask it to do this. Interestingly,

25:02 Speaker 7: it didn't offer to give this to me specifically, but

25:06 Speaker 7: it offered me an alternative. But I went ahead and

25:08 Speaker 7: created the alternative it was offering me, which was Daryl

25:10 Speaker 7: Hall and John Oh, it's playing chess. And then it

25:15 Speaker 7: said you know, because it said I can't give you

25:16 Speaker 7: the boxing, but I can give you this, and it

25:18 Speaker 7: just created it because like, oh that's interesting. And then

25:21 Speaker 7: I asked it, can you put angry faces on them?

25:26 Speaker 7: Make them look angry? That was willing to do, and

25:29 Speaker 7: so that's what it came out with. They're they're at

25:31 Speaker 7: a chess board and they look mad at each other.

25:33 Speaker 8: It's a peaceful competitive sport, right, right.

25:37 Speaker 7: So it was willing to do the angry faces and

25:40 Speaker 7: it kind of looks like them, it doesn't exactly look

25:42 Speaker 7: like them.

25:43 Speaker 8: But yeah, well like and my other thing, like I

25:46 Speaker 8: said earlier, is you give me one you can have

25:48 Speaker 8: that one idea, and my brain will just start popping

25:52 Speaker 8: things and I'm.

25:53 Speaker 9: Like, well, what if you did? What if this? What

25:56 Speaker 9: if that?

25:56 Speaker 8: Or what do you think about this? And he starts

26:00 Speaker 8: getting other people's brains going in there. Sure like oh,

26:03 Speaker 8: and then they start getting a bunch of ideas. Yeah,

26:06 Speaker 8: it happens all the time in my little circle.

26:09 Speaker 7: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. So you've done a lot

26:13 Speaker 7: of work with six minds combined, right, Yes, that's because

26:17 Speaker 7: we were talking off air about you know, what should

26:19 Speaker 7: we play for music? Coming into the segment. That's my

26:22 Speaker 7: favorite song of his. I love Yeah, I love that.

26:26 Speaker 7: The we had we had Rick on the show. It's

26:29 Speaker 7: probably more than a year ago. Now it all becomes

26:32 Speaker 7: a blur. But I remember telling him too, I said

26:35 Speaker 7: that that song, that's one of those songs that after

26:38 Speaker 7: I heard it, I would wake up with it playing

26:40 Speaker 7: in my brain because I always, like a lot of us,

26:42 Speaker 7: you know, when I wake up in the morning, there's

26:43 Speaker 7: always a song playing in my mind, and uh, you know,

26:46 Speaker 7: I have that little wake up playlist and that was

26:48 Speaker 7: that was the first one I would hear for a

26:50 Speaker 7: long time. I would just wake up in the morning

26:53 Speaker 7: and here, uh, you know that you got this.

26:56 Speaker 8: It gets stuck in my head when somebody says they

26:58 Speaker 8: can't do something. Yeah, And then all of a sudden,

27:00 Speaker 8: I started singing.

27:02 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, so you've You've done a lot of work.

27:04 Speaker 8: With him, right, Yes, I've known him since I was

27:08 Speaker 8: fourteen fifteen, Yeah, and he started becoming six minds combined, and.

27:18 Speaker 9: He asked to create.

27:25 Speaker 8: Like I've created a few things. I created his album

27:27 Speaker 8: cover for him. Okay, the front and the back Okay,

27:31 Speaker 8: the back of it is just his mind exploding with

27:33 Speaker 8: all the all the songs, okay, and the front was

27:37 Speaker 8: his idea, and I took what he gave me for

27:40 Speaker 8: what his image was, and I put it into a painting.

27:45 Speaker 8: I've done his new logo, which is going to be

27:49 Speaker 8: coming out, and I'm not sure if I was supposed

27:51 Speaker 8: to tell anybody that I love you.

27:53 Speaker 9: I'm sorry.

27:53 Speaker 7: A little teaser there, that's good.

27:55 Speaker 9: There's a movie.

27:56 Speaker 7: Do we know when? Do we have an ETA on

27:58 Speaker 7: the new logo? My drop?

28:00 Speaker 8: I'm not sure yet I do know he's got some

28:03 Speaker 8: new merchandise coming out. He also will be having a

28:11 Speaker 8: new video or champion that I'm working I'm helping work

28:17 Speaker 8: on excellent and it's gonna be something me and him

28:20 Speaker 8: I had, like we always talked about making a comic

28:23 Speaker 8: book together. Really yes, and it kind of goes along

28:27 Speaker 8: those lines a little bit. I helped him with running

28:31 Speaker 8: through a mansion. I helped video film it. That's not

28:37 Speaker 8: the right word, but me and Eleanor we both did that.

28:41 Speaker 8: They put it together. I had this after hearing that song.

28:45 Speaker 8: It was like again just sparks flying in my head

28:49 Speaker 8: and you know what, and then we we should do

28:52 Speaker 8: this in the mansion. And then when we went to

28:54 Speaker 8: the mansion, we were not allowed to videotape. We even

28:57 Speaker 8: got like followed to like like towards again like on

29:00 Speaker 8: the grounds. There was like some security guy walking behind us.

29:04 Speaker 7: Well, so so I'm really curious about this. So what

29:06 Speaker 7: So you went to a mansion, did you like? Where?

29:09 Speaker 7: Like what mansion?

29:10 Speaker 9: The Breaker House?

29:11 Speaker 7: Where's that rd Island?

29:13 Speaker 8: Okay, So we went down there and that place was huge.

29:17 Speaker 8: I would not want to ever have to clean it.

29:19 Speaker 7: So you went there with the intention so is that

29:21 Speaker 7: it's hard to get something open to the public.

29:23 Speaker 8: Yes, I mean you you pay a fee to visit it. Okay,

29:27 Speaker 8: you could take photography, but you couldn't videotape anything use

29:31 Speaker 8: it for like social media things like that.

29:35 Speaker 7: Did you did you know that going in or like not.

29:38 Speaker 9: Until we got there?

29:39 Speaker 8: Okay, but we did like get some good shots like

29:44 Speaker 8: small little here and there.

29:45 Speaker 7: So how did you How did you do it? Like

29:47 Speaker 7: did you have to do it kind of covertly or

29:48 Speaker 7: how did how does that work? Yeah?

29:50 Speaker 9: I mean there were some things that I was like, dude,

29:52 Speaker 9: do it now?

29:53 Speaker 7: Yeah?

29:54 Speaker 8: Yeah, But so that idea kind of went just like that.

30:00 Speaker 8: I was like, you know what, everybody's mansion is their home.

30:04 Speaker 9: It's there.

30:04 Speaker 8: It's so I was like, how about we do it

30:08 Speaker 8: in a house. Like a person's mansion is their home.

30:11 Speaker 8: It doesn't have to be an actual mansion, right right,

30:14 Speaker 8: Like their mansion is their home where they live. And

30:17 Speaker 8: it it ended up working out, which was amazing.

30:21 Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, oh interesting. What now what did you end

30:25 Speaker 7: up doing with the stuff that you took in the

30:27 Speaker 7: actual mansion in Rhode Island? Anything?

30:29 Speaker 8: There's some clips of it in the in the video

30:32 Speaker 8: what we could use. That wasn't so much like showing

30:37 Speaker 8: anything interesting.

30:38 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, but it was.

30:41 Speaker 9: It was fun.

30:41 Speaker 8: Yeah, try to be sneaky into it, like we were

30:44 Speaker 8: breaking the law.

30:45 Speaker 7: Right right, Hey, it's all rock and roll, right do

30:50 Speaker 7: you so?

30:51 Speaker 9: Do you do a lot of album covers or I?

30:54 Speaker 8: After I did six Months Combined, Temple Mountain reached out

30:57 Speaker 8: to me and I.

30:58 Speaker 7: Did, Yeah, I love Eric. Yeah.

31:00 Speaker 9: I did his album cover for Lonely.

31:04 Speaker 8: He sent me a clip of it and immediately I

31:08 Speaker 8: was like, I got this and it's the picture of

31:11 Speaker 8: a guy sitting on a bench with a woman's face

31:15 Speaker 8: up in kind of like the clouds, and he's just

31:18 Speaker 8: sitting there like kind of just defeated, sad, you know, Lonely.

31:25 Speaker 8: And then after that, Jesse Rustin asked me to do

31:30 Speaker 8: some work for him and he wanted photography, so we

31:33 Speaker 8: went to his studio and did photography there. And then

31:37 Speaker 8: after that was who Am I and Thrax So I

31:41 Speaker 8: did their album cover for Hot Wax and.

31:47 Speaker 9: She gave me the color scheme.

31:49 Speaker 8: And I was sitting there and I was trying to

31:50 Speaker 8: think of things to do, and I took an image

31:53 Speaker 8: of Racks on the drums and Lacy on the keyboard

31:59 Speaker 8: and then her why had done a record, So I

32:03 Speaker 8: took the record and then I made it look like

32:05 Speaker 8: it was melting wax coming down and creating them. Yeah,

32:09 Speaker 8: it's cool created them and it's amazing to see that

32:14 Speaker 8: painting and the color of lights that Placy does. It

32:18 Speaker 8: changes the colors on the painting.

32:22 Speaker 9: It's so trippy. It's awesome.

32:24 Speaker 7: That must be exciting too, to have anup when you

32:27 Speaker 7: have an opportunity to work with somebody who is very visual,

32:31 Speaker 7: you know obviously what what who I am and thracks

32:33 Speaker 7: what they're doing. It's very visual, right, So to be

32:35 Speaker 7: able to that must be that just must be fun it.

32:39 Speaker 8: I love it like I love music, I love art.

32:44 Speaker 9: I I do like people.

32:47 Speaker 8: Not all people, sure, the world the way the world is,

32:53 Speaker 8: but it's I love the open creativity, the the compassion,

32:59 Speaker 8: the encouragement. Like nobody's trying to compete with each other,

33:04 Speaker 8: and when there's people trying to compete with me, I'm

33:08 Speaker 8: like why, I'm like, you do what you do.

33:12 Speaker 9: I'm going to do what I do.

33:13 Speaker 8: Like I don't call myself anything other than an artist,

33:17 Speaker 8: and if I see something I want to do, I'm

33:20 Speaker 8: going to try to do it. And I did that

33:23 Speaker 8: even in all my jobs. I delivered pizza, I worked

33:26 Speaker 8: at daycares, I sold luggage, I worked for a sewer company. Yeah,

33:30 Speaker 8: I like, and now I've been in pharmacy for twenty

33:34 Speaker 8: two years. But it's because there's also a whole lot

33:38 Speaker 8: of how does that work? What do you do there?

33:41 Speaker 8: And it's the same thing with my art. I have

33:44 Speaker 8: no idea how to paint. I have no idea what

33:46 Speaker 8: I'm doing, but I wonder if this will work?

33:50 Speaker 9: How do I do this?

33:51 Speaker 8: And then it Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't.

33:55 Speaker 8: And there are some canvases. Let me tell you, there

33:58 Speaker 8: is a lot of layers of paint, lots of it

34:02 Speaker 8: because if I don't like it, I just paint over

34:04 Speaker 8: it and start to Yeah.

34:06 Speaker 7: And now, what do you mean about like like people

34:08 Speaker 7: trying to compete with with you? Like what like is

34:12 Speaker 7: it is it competitive in terms of you know, like

34:15 Speaker 7: doing doing artwork for musicians? Is that No?

34:18 Speaker 8: I think competitive is like You're always going to have that.

34:24 Speaker 8: Like it's just like a job you go in for

34:27 Speaker 8: your interview, you get hired or you don't get hired.

34:30 Speaker 8: That part's not the competitive part. It's when people start

34:34 Speaker 8: talking bad about your art or about how you do

34:39 Speaker 8: your art really or like oh, like they did that,

34:43 Speaker 8: Like I don't like that. If you don't like it,

34:47 Speaker 8: then just do what we've always been told is if

34:49 Speaker 8: you ain't got nothing nice to say, don't say anything

34:51 Speaker 8: at all. Like I'm not going to know any different.

34:54 Speaker 8: But when you start saying bad things about somebody's art

34:58 Speaker 8: instead of encouraging them to do or do better, that

35:01 Speaker 8: just brings that person down. They don't want to create

35:04 Speaker 8: the art, and then they suppress.

35:06 Speaker 7: Is that is that like like other artists like criticizing

35:09 Speaker 7: your process or something.

35:10 Speaker 9: I mean, I don't mind criticism whatsoever.

35:13 Speaker 7: Sure, constructive criticism is exactly fine.

35:16 Speaker 8: But when you're just like downing somebody because of what

35:21 Speaker 8: they do or how they do it or what they

35:23 Speaker 8: used to do it, or you know, anything like that,

35:26 Speaker 8: it's just it does take. It takes a little bit

35:32 Speaker 8: from you and it kind of like ouch, like what

35:35 Speaker 8: did I do? And then at the same time, I'm

35:39 Speaker 8: the type of person that's I've doubt narcissists, and I'm

35:43 Speaker 8: like the best way to deal with somebody like that,

35:46 Speaker 8: I'm gonna keep doing what I do with a smile

35:49 Speaker 8: at my face and I'm just gonna do it better,

35:51 Speaker 8: So like, bring it, but I'd rather not the negativity

35:55 Speaker 8: of things like that around me.

35:56 Speaker 9: So like musicians playing and somebody's.

35:59 Speaker 8: Like, ugh, like you might not like it, but don't

36:02 Speaker 8: tell them, right if you have some constructive criticism on it,

36:07 Speaker 8: like hey, I didn't really like that because and then say.

36:11 Speaker 9: Why yeah, yeah, don't just like I don't like that, right.

36:16 Speaker 8: Well, it's like you just it's like watching the show

36:20 Speaker 8: and you get all the way to the end and

36:22 Speaker 8: then it's a cliffhanger.

36:23 Speaker 9: And you're like, wait, wait, what happened? What happened? And

36:26 Speaker 9: then you never know.

36:27 Speaker 8: Right, it's the same way of going I don't like it,

36:31 Speaker 8: Why tell me like it?

36:33 Speaker 7: Right?

36:34 Speaker 8: Because I might create something you don't like, but tomorrow

36:37 Speaker 8: might create something you love.

36:39 Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, exactly exactly if you are just showing us

36:43 Speaker 7: we have a crafty k from Chaotic Photography and my

36:46 Speaker 7: art by KF that I get it right. Cool, I'm

36:50 Speaker 7: glad I got it right. Sometimes I worry I'm suffering

36:52 Speaker 7: from adult onset dyslexia. But no, and we're having a

36:58 Speaker 7: great conversation today about art and about you know, working

37:02 Speaker 7: with musicians. Is there anyone you've worked with who who

37:07 Speaker 7: presented a unique challenge in terms of where it was

37:11 Speaker 7: maybe difficult to find the right aesthetic for what they're doing,

37:15 Speaker 7: maybe for their album cover or I mean, I don't

37:17 Speaker 7: mean that in a bad way, you know, but but

37:19 Speaker 7: just is there anyone you've worked with who it was

37:21 Speaker 7: it was it took a little more to kind of

37:23 Speaker 7: figure out where to go with it.

37:24 Speaker 9: I did have somebody come message me.

37:28 Speaker 8: About Creed about what they want for their album cover,

37:32 Speaker 8: and I asked, they want like a certain like background,

37:38 Speaker 8: seeing like an apocalypse kind of thing, and I was like, yeah,

37:42 Speaker 8: I was like I can do that.

37:43 Speaker 9: Like what kind of medium do you want? They wanted

37:46 Speaker 9: like a photography.

37:48 Speaker 8: That's more difficult because you're not going to get the

37:53 Speaker 8: right colors, you're not going to get the right kind

37:55 Speaker 8: of visual.

37:57 Speaker 9: And also talking.

37:59 Speaker 8: Through Texas so hard, oh yeah, because it's hard to understand,

38:03 Speaker 8: like see their thought process, and I haven't.

38:08 Speaker 9: Like I did send a few things and it just

38:11 Speaker 9: wasn't there. So he's just moved on, I believe, to

38:16 Speaker 9: somebody else that might be able to do it, because.

38:18 Speaker 8: I wasn't able to. But I at least offered a

38:21 Speaker 8: few things. It was almost like like I said, an interview.

38:24 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, well that can be hard to write if

38:27 Speaker 7: somebody because somebody might have an idea, I might have

38:31 Speaker 7: a vision in their mind, but they can't find the

38:34 Speaker 7: right words to communicate it, you know.

38:37 Speaker 8: And that's what's my that's what I do with my art. Yeah,

38:39 Speaker 8: I can't think of certain words, Yeah, the correct words

38:43 Speaker 8: to say. I do it through my art and when

38:46 Speaker 8: someone's trying to tell me something because they can see it,

38:49 Speaker 8: but they can't get it into words, but they don't

38:52 Speaker 8: have the ability to put it on canvas or paper either,

38:56 Speaker 8: So like I can understand that being the most frustrating thing.

39:01 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like uh, you know, like like me,

39:05 Speaker 7: someone who has no visual artistic ability. If I, you know,

39:09 Speaker 7: if I'm trying to communicate to somebody, like sometimes I

39:11 Speaker 7: don't know the like I don't know the vocabulary of

39:13 Speaker 7: you know, for what I'm trying to tell them that

39:17 Speaker 7: I want, you know, just to see artistically. Yeah, that

39:21 Speaker 7: can be that can be tricky. Now, how does it

39:24 Speaker 7: work in terms of you coming to work with some

39:26 Speaker 7: of these artists? Do they approach you? Do you approach them,

39:28 Speaker 7: does it depend?

39:29 Speaker 8: So after I take after I take photos of them

39:33 Speaker 8: when they're playing, I show them a few of them

39:36 Speaker 8: that I have done, and I send that. I send

39:38 Speaker 8: them the photos and the only thing I ask for

39:41 Speaker 8: for those is photo credit.

39:42 Speaker 7: Yeah.

39:43 Speaker 9: Yeah, And I also offer if you need any artistic

39:48 Speaker 9: guidance or any work done, anything like that, just reach

39:52 Speaker 9: out to me and we can see what we can

39:55 Speaker 9: work out.

39:56 Speaker 7: Yeah.

39:56 Speaker 9: So I don't push it, yeah, like either because I

40:01 Speaker 9: don't like I don't like. I don't like those pushy

40:06 Speaker 9: people like you know, I can do this. I can

40:08 Speaker 9: do this like buy myself by my stuff right right,

40:12 Speaker 9: Like I hate selling my own stuff. I am not

40:14 Speaker 9: good at it whatsoever.

40:16 Speaker 7: Well, the interesting thing, though, is for what you do,

40:21 Speaker 7: you kind of you really have an advantage in that

40:24 Speaker 7: you can you can show them what what you can

40:30 Speaker 7: do right up front, right like if you're if you're

40:33 Speaker 7: taking pictures, and you can show them, look, these are

40:35 Speaker 7: some photos I took of your live performance or whatever

40:37 Speaker 7: it was. You know, then they see they can see

40:40 Speaker 7: right off, right off the bat that you're legit. You

40:42 Speaker 7: obviously know what you're doing because you take great pictures.

40:45 Speaker 8: And I have my art hanging up in the hallway exactly.

40:48 Speaker 7: Yeah.

40:49 Speaker 8: Yes, New Hampshire Underground and Terminus has been like it's

40:53 Speaker 8: They've been a blessing. Eleanor has helped me in so

40:57 Speaker 8: many ways this past year and it's.

40:59 Speaker 9: Only been a year. Yeah, I feel like I've known.

41:01 Speaker 7: Her for ever really, Yeah.

41:04 Speaker 8: And she's helped me more ways than she can imagine.

41:08 Speaker 8: Like she's always like, what do you Because I don't

41:09 Speaker 8: care about status, I don't I don't care about any

41:13 Speaker 8: of that, and she's like, what do you? I'm like,

41:16 Speaker 8: you what you're doing for me? And they let me

41:19 Speaker 8: put so much art up and all over there and

41:23 Speaker 8: I love it and I appreciate it so much because

41:26 Speaker 8: of my creativity. I'm like, oh, there's blank space.

41:28 Speaker 9: On that wall.

41:30 Speaker 7: No, that's that's amazing. When you're taking pictures of like

41:34 Speaker 7: say you're taking pictures of someone performing live, is there

41:39 Speaker 7: is there kind of a method to that, I mean,

41:42 Speaker 7: or are you just like, oh this this would make

41:44 Speaker 7: a good shot, I'm going to take this picture, or

41:46 Speaker 7: I mean, do you have a strategy for that or

41:48 Speaker 7: do you just kind of do it instinctively or I just.

41:50 Speaker 8: Do it instinctively, like kind of like candid. Yeah, they

41:54 Speaker 8: I tell them. I tell them all, don't look at me.

41:57 Speaker 8: I'm not there, like I do, cross that green line,

42:01 Speaker 8: step on me, step over me, just keep playing. Sure,

42:04 Speaker 8: I'm going to get the shot, but you need to

42:06 Speaker 8: continue to play right. And I do apologize to people

42:09 Speaker 8: out there that when I'm in their shot, because I'm

42:12 Speaker 8: sure there's like some shots that people like. I like

42:17 Speaker 8: getting back to where the drummer is and getting photos

42:21 Speaker 8: of the crowd because the crowd doesn't get to see

42:26 Speaker 8: what the band sees, right, And then I'm taking pictures

42:30 Speaker 8: of the band of what the crowd sees that the

42:32 Speaker 8: band doesn't get to see.

42:34 Speaker 7: I love those personal like, I love those kind of pictures. Yeah.

42:36 Speaker 8: I like seeing both sides, and sometimes like seeing the crowd.

42:42 Speaker 8: I like to show them because sometimes they're just like

42:44 Speaker 8: standing there sure and I'm like, hey, it's just some

42:48 Speaker 8: other thing.

42:49 Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, but.

42:51 Speaker 8: It just shows how many people like you get to

42:55 Speaker 8: see both sides.

42:56 Speaker 9: So it's both sides of the story.

42:58 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that's a great way of putting it.

43:01 Speaker 7: When you when you tell somebody, hey, I need a

43:03 Speaker 7: candid shot, don't don't look at me, just do what

43:06 Speaker 7: you're doing. Do some people struggle with that? Yes, I

43:09 Speaker 7: expected yeah.

43:10 Speaker 8: They do, because like they'll look at me and smile.

43:13 Speaker 8: But six Minds Combined is the only one that I

43:18 Speaker 8: have allowed to We have a he's going to pause

43:22 Speaker 8: and I got to get the shot because he moves

43:24 Speaker 8: so much. Okay, yeah, and sometimes like his I'll go

43:28 Speaker 8: to get that great shot in his hand, or he

43:30 Speaker 8: moves his face and he I'm like, so we have

43:33 Speaker 8: like these like make eye contact and he kind of

43:35 Speaker 8: pauses just like his movement so I can get the shot.

43:38 Speaker 7: Okay, okay, yeah.

43:40 Speaker 9: Because I'm like, dude, I'm like, I've raised so many photos.

43:43 Speaker 7: But it's cool that you have that understanding with him

43:45 Speaker 7: and he gets it obviously, and he's able to accommodate

43:48 Speaker 7: that and you're able to work together that way. That's uh,

43:51 Speaker 7: that's great. Oh, I want to make sure we don't

43:54 Speaker 7: forget this. You showed me something off air, a book,

43:59 Speaker 7: and we do have for those For those watching online,

44:03 Speaker 7: you'll be able to see this because she's holding it

44:06 Speaker 7: up and if you're if you're just listening, you know,

44:08 Speaker 7: radio is theater of the mind. You'll have to imagine this.

44:10 Speaker 7: But but this is really cool. Okay, So tell us

44:13 Speaker 7: what you've got in your hand there.

44:15 Speaker 9: So this was a book.

44:16 Speaker 8: It's called Kaw c Aw by Clay hurt Bus. I

44:22 Speaker 8: am really sorry Clay if I just butchered. So back

44:26 Speaker 8: in the early two thousands, we worked together and he

44:30 Speaker 8: was writing a book and he's written several and he

44:34 Speaker 8: asked me if I would do some artwork for him,

44:36 Speaker 8: and I was like yeah. I was like that would

44:38 Speaker 8: be awesome, and he's gonna publish it and everything, and

44:41 Speaker 8: he had some medical issues and I'm not sure what

44:46 Speaker 8: happened in between all the time that I've seen him

44:48 Speaker 8: to the time we published it, because he had moved, okay,

44:51 Speaker 8: and I finally we finally contacted each other again through

44:57 Speaker 8: Facebook just recently, and and he published the book last

45:03 Speaker 8: last year in twenty twenty four. In the book, because

45:06 Speaker 8: he didn't know my last name, he didn't put my

45:09 Speaker 8: name in there as an illustrator. But when you look

45:13 Speaker 8: up online about the book, it says my name as

45:16 Speaker 8: the illustrator. But when he had found me on Facebook,

45:20 Speaker 8: my name was my name and my daughter's name. Okay,

45:24 Speaker 8: so the illustration name is Keagan Lily. Oh, so I

45:28 Speaker 8: think that is going forward might be my new illustration name.

45:31 Speaker 7: Oh that's cool.

45:32 Speaker 8: But the book is in English and every single language

45:37 Speaker 8: you can think of on Facebook. Wow, it's Chinese. This

45:40 Speaker 8: one's English and Chinese and it's double sided.

45:43 Speaker 3: But my.

45:46 Speaker 8: Art at it's old art from before it kind of

45:50 Speaker 8: got a little more talented. But it's it's amazing that

45:55 Speaker 8: he saved him. Yeah, and like my art is international

46:00 Speaker 8: wild and just seeing it in a book, I was like,

46:04 Speaker 8: I've always wanted to be an illustrator of children's books

46:08 Speaker 8: and stuff like that, but it was it's really.

46:11 Speaker 9: An awesome feeling to that's crazy.

46:14 Speaker 8: Everything that I have wanted and everything I'm working for

46:18 Speaker 8: actually getting there. And I got to thank Eddie for

46:23 Speaker 8: a lot of it, because if he didn't push me

46:27 Speaker 8: to open my Facebook, like he just supports me a lot,

46:33 Speaker 8: especially with my photography, Like we'll be at the show

46:37 Speaker 8: together and then all of a sudden running off to

46:40 Speaker 8: take photos and he sits there and watches me paint

46:45 Speaker 8: for hours, create whatever I'm creating it, but he he

46:51 Speaker 8: supports me, doesn't try to be like you're painting.

46:54 Speaker 7: Again, right right?

46:57 Speaker 8: And I have gotten paint on like so many things,

47:00 Speaker 8: even our own even our own comforter and really I

47:04 Speaker 8: paint like I paint on me now.

47:06 Speaker 9: But he supports me in it, and I love him that.

47:11 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's wonderful. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, no, it's so important

47:14 Speaker 7: to have a creative partner for for people watching on video.

47:17 Speaker 7: Why don't you hold that up one more time? Yeah,

47:18 Speaker 7: so people can see it? And then and where can

47:21 Speaker 7: people get that book?

47:22 Speaker 9: Facebook? I mean not Facebook, Amazon.

47:24 Speaker 7: Amazon, a w And did he did he inscribe that

47:29 Speaker 7: for you too? Did he write something inside of it?

47:31 Speaker 8: Because I saw he said, Keagan, thanks for the beautiful artwork.

47:35 Speaker 7: Very nice. That is so cool and so that was

47:38 Speaker 7: a surprise right when that came out.

47:40 Speaker 8: Yeah, because he said I published the book, and I

47:43 Speaker 8: was like, no way, And so I looked it up

47:47 Speaker 8: and he sent them. I bought one prior to him

47:51 Speaker 8: sending it to me. My mom's like I want that,

47:55 Speaker 8: Like you can have it. He's sending me one, and

47:57 Speaker 8: he sent me two of.

47:58 Speaker 9: Them, hardcover. In the soft cover yeah.

48:01 Speaker 8: The other one's English and Swedish kidding, and he wrote

48:05 Speaker 8: in both of them. But it was amazing and it's

48:09 Speaker 8: so weird to see my artwork in there because I

48:12 Speaker 8: remember doing it and just the style of it.

48:16 Speaker 9: I'm like, yeah, that's.

48:18 Speaker 7: Totally that's extremely cool. So what's kind of your your

48:23 Speaker 7: long term trajectory do you think or do you know,

48:26 Speaker 7: like do you want to do you wanna do you

48:30 Speaker 7: have like a focus like like is it is it

48:32 Speaker 7: doing artwork for for album covers? Is it photography? Is it?

48:38 Speaker 9: Do you know just doing art?

48:40 Speaker 7: Ye? See where it.

48:41 Speaker 9: I don't want it to be a job. I love

48:44 Speaker 9: doing art.

48:45 Speaker 8: I don't want it to become a job because really,

48:48 Speaker 8: if you think about it, if that's where you're gonna go.

48:50 Speaker 9: I gotta go do this. I gotta go do this.

48:52 Speaker 8: Like you don't want to do it because you have to. Yeah,

48:55 Speaker 8: I want I do it because I want to do

48:57 Speaker 8: it because I have that freedom of it's my like,

49:01 Speaker 8: it's my getaway, my break, it's.

49:03 Speaker 9: My Higgins world.

49:06 Speaker 8: But it's the minute it becomes a job, I'm like,

49:09 Speaker 8: I'm not interested anymore and I want to just be

49:14 Speaker 8: able to do it or don't do it right. And

49:19 Speaker 8: I mean I loved I love doing it, So don't

49:22 Speaker 8: get me wrong. I'm not going to be like I

49:24 Speaker 8: don't want to do that. But if there is something

49:25 Speaker 8: that I'm just I'm just not in the mood for it,

49:28 Speaker 8: or I don't have the time. I want to be

49:29 Speaker 8: able to say I'm sorry, I don't have the time

49:32 Speaker 8: to do this. And then but I know other artists

49:35 Speaker 8: because I met some amazing artists.

49:38 Speaker 7: Oh I can imagine.

49:39 Speaker 8: Yeah, Lily's amazing, and I've met Chelsea, she's an amazing photographer.

49:48 Speaker 8: And there's so many options, especially meeting all through New

49:53 Speaker 8: Hampshire Underground. They have Andrea and Eleanor has brought so

49:58 Speaker 8: many of us together, Like I finally found like a

50:01 Speaker 8: group I can relate to and belong to and like

50:05 Speaker 8: feel comfortable and not like at one of those fancy,

50:10 Speaker 8: like little cliche art galleryes.

50:12 Speaker 7: Yeah.

50:13 Speaker 8: Yeah, and everyone's kind of like snubbing you. And because

50:17 Speaker 8: I mean obviously I don't dress like I belong in there.

50:19 Speaker 8: I paint on my own pants.

50:21 Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, Jenny had her art hanging there at one point,

50:28 Speaker 7: which was really cool. And and actually, you know I

50:32 Speaker 7: mentioned earlier we had Jesse Rutstein along with Caleb Die

50:36 Speaker 7: Caleb Dyer here on the show last week, and we

50:39 Speaker 7: met Jesse at Terminus during the open house.

50:43 Speaker 9: Yes, he actually just played last weekend.

50:46 Speaker 7: Oh right, right, yeah, after Yeah, after the it was

50:48 Speaker 7: the same same weekend as the interview. Yeah yeah, so yeah, No,

50:52 Speaker 7: they've done They've done a wonderful job there, And you're

50:54 Speaker 7: right bringing people together absolutely absolutely so. Now if somebody,

51:00 Speaker 7: you know, because a lot of musicians listen to the show,

51:02 Speaker 7: a lot of industry people, if somebody wants to work

51:04 Speaker 7: with you, like, what's the best way for them to

51:06 Speaker 7: reach out to you?

51:07 Speaker 8: This message me on Facebook? Yeah, like through Facebook Messenger. Yeah,

51:12 Speaker 8: I'm really horrible about my email, which I try not

51:15 Speaker 8: to be. But my email addresses on my business cards.

51:18 Speaker 8: But it also has my Instagram and my Facebook on there.

51:22 Speaker 7: Okay, and how do they find you on Facebook?

51:25 Speaker 3: Again?

51:25 Speaker 9: But my art by kf All one word okay.

51:28 Speaker 8: And then it's got a picture of a pink and

51:31 Speaker 8: black lily, which I put that on my business card.

51:34 Speaker 7: For my daughter. Oh okay.

51:36 Speaker 8: It's a show her that it doesn't matter when you start,

51:40 Speaker 8: you can do whatever you want to do.

51:42 Speaker 9: You can create things.

51:44 Speaker 7: Yeah. No, I think that's really cool.

51:46 Speaker 8: Even she's benefited. Her first concert was Green Jello, Yes.

51:52 Speaker 7: Jelly at at Terminus. Yes.

51:56 Speaker 8: She passed kindergarten screening and she got to go through

51:59 Speaker 8: a pool.

52:01 Speaker 7: Nice. Yeah, that was quite a night. Yeah, that all

52:05 Speaker 7: happened because Green Jelly or Jello, I never know which

52:09 Speaker 7: to call him. Uh they had been on the show

52:11 Speaker 7: and then uh Bill was talking to Jenny about you know,

52:15 Speaker 7: where can we play in New Hampshire when we come

52:17 Speaker 7: back through And then Jenny connected with Eleanor and worked

52:20 Speaker 7: on that and getting that all booked and that was

52:22 Speaker 7: a lot of fun. Although they when they were on

52:24 Speaker 7: the show that day, so it's probably one of my

52:26 Speaker 7: most favorite interviews ever, but also the most nerve wracking.

52:30 Speaker 7: I think I hit the dump button because we're on

52:31 Speaker 7: an eight second delay in case anything, you know. I

52:34 Speaker 7: think I hit the dump button five times during during that,

52:37 Speaker 7: and the whole time I'm just sit here like, don't

52:39 Speaker 7: get me fired, don't get me fired.

52:41 Speaker 8: I'm being surprised by my own self because the F

52:45 Speaker 8: bomb is like I'm Irish. Yeah, it's the word like

52:51 Speaker 8: ye in Ireland. Yeah, so it's natural, and I'm like,

52:54 Speaker 8: don't swear.

52:55 Speaker 7: No, You've You've done great well. The thing is, though,

52:58 Speaker 7: that the trick is to not not worry about and

53:00 Speaker 7: overthink it because so many people they come on the

53:02 Speaker 7: show and they're like, oh, I hope. I don't swear. Oh,

53:04 Speaker 7: but I don't swear. And it's the people who worry

53:06 Speaker 7: about it, you know, they worry about it and then

53:08 Speaker 7: then it ends up being fine. But like I tell everybody,

53:10 Speaker 7: we're on an eight second delay, so if the worst happens,

53:13 Speaker 7: I can catch it. But uh, but no, I think.

53:17 Speaker 7: I think when when those guys were on the show,

53:19 Speaker 7: I think I hit the dump button five times total.

53:21 Speaker 7: And it wasn't all swears. A couple you know, there

53:23 Speaker 7: might have been a drug reference. I was uncomfortable with,

53:26 Speaker 7: you know, just anything it went in doubt, I reached

53:29 Speaker 7: for the dump.

53:31 Speaker 8: Slim had a really big effect on Lily, like she

53:33 Speaker 8: wanted she had a Yuku Leley but like she wanted

53:37 Speaker 8: to be a rock jammer.

53:39 Speaker 7: Oh that's cool.

53:40 Speaker 8: She would have me take it. She had me take

53:41 Speaker 8: a video and then send it to her. Yeah, And

53:44 Speaker 8: it was It's cute because Slim ended up sending her

53:48 Speaker 8: a video thing like happy Birthday to her.

53:51 Speaker 9: It was like.

53:51 Speaker 8: Really great, Like it's just showing that these other artists

53:56 Speaker 8: inspire other people. Yes, doesn't matter what age group. Yeah,

54:00 Speaker 8: and Slim was afraid, like she would scare Lily at

54:02 Speaker 8: the show. Oh no kidding, And because Lily was kind

54:04 Speaker 8: of like, oh, what are you wearing? Yeah, and that

54:08 Speaker 8: was her biggest thing. Oh wow, wasn't afraid of her,

54:11 Speaker 8: but she's like, uh, what are you wearing? And then

54:13 Speaker 8: after that she's like, I want to be like her,

54:15 Speaker 8: I want to be a rock star.

54:16 Speaker 9: I was like, all right, go for it, kid.

54:18 Speaker 7: Oh wow, Oh that's cool, that's very cool.

54:21 Speaker 8: Now she's on to now she wants to be a

54:23 Speaker 8: Samurais or whatever thing.

54:26 Speaker 7: Okay, fair enough, well, Kegan crafty k, thank you so much.

54:34 Speaker 7: This has been wonderful.

54:35 Speaker 3: Thank you.

54:36 Speaker 7: We'll definitely do it again in the future. And uh,

54:38 Speaker 7: I think we should probably close out with who I

54:40 Speaker 7: Am track from Hot Wax. I was thinking maybe glow

54:44 Speaker 7: to end the segment, and thank you everyone who joined

54:46 Speaker 7: us to doaw on the show. Of course, Jamie Higgs

54:48 Speaker 7: in the second hour and in the first hour we

54:50 Speaker 7: had three times seven both via WhatsApp all the way

54:54 Speaker 7: from the UK. And if you missed any part of

54:56 Speaker 7: today's show, it will be up in just a little

54:57 Speaker 7: bit at wmnhradio dot org and at my website Matt

55:01 Speaker 7: Connorton dot com. Jenny is not here today, but she

55:04 Speaker 7: is at an event or on her way to an event,

55:07 Speaker 7: going on and conquered. So make sure to keep up

55:09 Speaker 7: with everything she's doing. Go to Jencoffee dot com. She's

55:12 Speaker 7: doing a lot of great activism. I'm so proud of her.

55:15 Speaker 7: And if you want to keep up with everything I'm doing,

55:17 Speaker 7: you can go to Matt connorton dot com. And this

55:19 Speaker 7: is SummerSlam weekend, by the way, So keep an eye

55:21 Speaker 7: on your social media because at some point Eric Pilcher

55:24 Speaker 7: and I are going to do a live stream of

55:26 Speaker 7: Tough Bumps, probably tonight's night one of SummerSlam. So we'll

55:30 Speaker 7: probably go live after that and talk about what we

55:33 Speaker 7: saw on what happened and all that good stuff, and

55:35 Speaker 7: we might do another one tomorrow. We'll see. So there's

55:37 Speaker 7: a lot going on, and so please just just keep

55:40 Speaker 7: an eye on the socials and you'll be able to

55:42 Speaker 7: see it all. Let's see, so I think, yeah, so

55:45 Speaker 7: we'll end with this, We'll end with glow. This is

55:48 Speaker 7: from who I Am and Trax and their new release

55:51 Speaker 7: called Hot Wax and Crafty K. Thank you again, thank you,

55:56 Speaker 7: and oh and if you miss any part of today's

55:58 Speaker 7: so it'll be up in just a little bit at

55:59 Speaker 7: wm NS radio dot org at my website Matt Connorton

56:02 Speaker 7: dot com, and we'll talk at you all a little bit later. Bye, everybody.

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