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Matt Connarton Unleashed 8-2-25 hour 2
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Speaker 5: Mattso wakes up in the morning.
Speaker 6: He gets into the shower and to the top of
Speaker 6: his lungs, he sings.
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Speaker 2: Jammy Thanks Jerry, Welcome back everybody. We have entered our
Speaker 2: number two New Marow dose of Matt Connorton Unleashed. We
Speaker 2: are live from the studios of wm n H ninety
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Speaker 2: you are listening live today is Saturday August two, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five. In just a moment, Jamie Higgs is going
Speaker 2: to be joining us via WhatsApp all the way from
Speaker 2: the UK, and I'm really looking forward to talking with
Speaker 2: him because I love this song. We did the American
Speaker 2: radio premiere for this recently and we're gonna play it again.
Speaker 2: This is such a great track from Jamie Higgs. This
Speaker 2: is called peace in Your Sound.
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Speaker 5: you sound and round.
Speaker 11: It's like your song as Me I grown that found
Speaker 11: piecing your sound and round.
Speaker 5: It's like your song as me eye off the growl
Speaker 5: every time.
Speaker 9: Around the same loud u p s inside sound shud.
Speaker 5: Found piecing your soul and you round.
Speaker 11: It's like your song as Me high off the growling
Speaker 11: up BC.
Speaker 12: So many round.
Speaker 6: It's like your song is me high off the crowd
Speaker 6: every time you roll sing loud pc sun.
Speaker 2: I love that song so much. That is piece in
Speaker 2: your sound. That is Jamie Higgs, and I believe we
Speaker 2: have Jamie Higgs with us via WhatsApp. Jamie, are you there?
Speaker 4: Hi am indeed tms Hey.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the program. I've been really looking forward to
Speaker 2: talking with you. I do love that song so much.
Speaker 2: The first time I listened to it, it was stuck
Speaker 2: in my head just I could not could not get
Speaker 2: it out of my brain. Jenny Loves it too. What
Speaker 2: a what a great track that is. Congratulations on that.
Speaker 2: Is that your newest single?
Speaker 7: It?
Speaker 4: Well, firstly, thank you very much to really appreciate that feedback. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was nice to hear. And yet that's our latest release.
Speaker 4: So it was actually the face single that po out
Speaker 4: in two years, okay, and it's only asked like my
Speaker 4: personal second ever single and it's our face as a band.
Speaker 2: Oh okay.
Speaker 4: It's like a new beginning, right right.
Speaker 13: That's yeah.
Speaker 2: By the way, So I saw something you said in
Speaker 2: an interview about that that song. Is this correct that
Speaker 2: that song only took twenty minutes to write, like it
Speaker 2: came together really fast?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It's a very very simple song. It's
Speaker 4: like three chords. It literally just I think I was
Speaker 4: listening to a Dire Street song and it was about
Speaker 4: the melody, even they had a lot more complex complex
Speaker 4: with their music. Sure, very like just a nice melody.
Speaker 4: And then I was just messing about with these chordes,
Speaker 4: and funny enough, I was in a rush. We had
Speaker 4: somewhere to be and I just come up with this
Speaker 4: line of piecing your sound and.
Speaker 13: I was like that to my.
Speaker 4: Wife, was that you're gonna have to wait just give
Speaker 4: me a minute, except you always on. I was like,
Speaker 4: you just feel the energy. I was onto something, yeah,
Speaker 4: and I just had to finish writing this song. And
Speaker 4: then I made a note in my phone with the
Speaker 4: lyrics we got in the car, and then I made
Speaker 4: the voice notes singing like the full track as a melody,
Speaker 4: just tack upellade in the car and I was like
Speaker 4: the song formed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that's how you know you've got something though
Speaker 2: that when when it's when it's easy, right, when it
Speaker 2: just kind of comes to you quickly, but it's good,
Speaker 2: then you know you've got something really good because you
Speaker 2: didn't have to force it. It was just natural. It
Speaker 2: just kind of, you know, manifests in your brain or
Speaker 2: however it works, you know, whatever your process is for
Speaker 2: coming up with something like that. No, it's it's really good.
Speaker 4: And thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it is kind of simple, right in
Speaker 2: terms of the the chords, and you know what they say,
Speaker 2: three chords and the truth. But but what you take
Speaker 2: and then do with that, that's what counts. And I
Speaker 2: love the lyrics and yeah, and can you talk to
Speaker 2: us a little bit about the lyrics. It seems like
Speaker 2: it's kind of about finding like sort of finding peace
Speaker 2: in the chaos of life. That's sort of what I
Speaker 2: took from it. Am I am, I on the right.
Speaker 4: Track, absolutely right. Yeah. So it's so I'm married with
Speaker 4: two kids, which is chaos in itself, and then obviously
Speaker 4: a gig like three or four nights a week, and
Speaker 4: the music scene is very chaotic. Yeah, so I found
Speaker 4: then obviously with your friends and your social life, I
Speaker 4: just found life is very loud and chaotic all the time,
Speaker 4: it seems, yes, and sometimes it can kind of get
Speaker 4: you down because you feel like you don't have a
Speaker 4: minute to breathe. And then in the moment of writing
Speaker 4: that song, I was like, I love my life even
Speaker 4: though it's very crazy and loud. It's amazing. I'm surrounded
Speaker 4: by amazing people. I loved me job of singing. I
Speaker 4: was like my pieces in the sound because I know
Speaker 4: people who don't have a lot going on for themselves
Speaker 4: and then spending a lot of time on their own
Speaker 4: actually struggle with depression and everything else. So it's actually
Speaker 4: being busy and having a loud life that's where the
Speaker 4: piece is.
Speaker 13: So it's kind of based around that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I like that. That really connects with me,
Speaker 2: and I think that's something too that's relatable for a
Speaker 2: lot of people. You know, even if you have you know,
Speaker 2: you might have a lot of great things going on
Speaker 2: and things are very very busy, but it you know,
Speaker 2: you can get overwhelmed. Even when life is really really good,
Speaker 2: you can get get overwhelmed. And sometimes you have to
Speaker 2: be able to stop and take stock and all the
Speaker 2: good things that you have. And you know, and you know,
Speaker 2: in America we talk a lot about gratitude and you know,
Speaker 2: you'll hear motivational speakers talk a lot about that stuff
Speaker 2: and yeah, you know, but it but it really is important,
Speaker 2: and you know, and to be able to find piece
Speaker 2: in the chaos. And no, I love that song. It's
Speaker 2: very very catchy too, are you. I'm curious about your
Speaker 2: influences because obviously, like I think a little bit about Oasis,
Speaker 2: when I hear that song, that sounds like something that
Speaker 2: might have been might have fit well on definitely maybe
Speaker 2: for example, I'm a big Oasis fan. But I'm curious
Speaker 2: to know more about your influences. I assume you've taken
Speaker 2: something from the Gallagher brothers, but but probably a lot
Speaker 2: more than that too, So I'm curious about your influences.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think as a guitarist ever and as
Speaker 4: similar sort of influencers. So when you think like singer songwriter,
Speaker 4: so you've got like your sor you Bob Dylan's and
Speaker 4: your Bruce Springsteen's and even like more modern times with
Speaker 4: your Ed Sheen and stuff. I know Edgen's a lot
Speaker 4: considered a lot more pop. But if you played guitar
Speaker 4: in the last decade, you've took inspiration from Edgi and yes, sure.
Speaker 4: And then I think obviously I love David Gray. I'm
Speaker 4: not sure how big David Gray is in America, but
Speaker 4: he's done an album called The White lad Album.
Speaker 2: Yeah he was, he was, He was really big here
Speaker 2: at one point, yeah, David Gray.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so I think I think he peaked with
Speaker 4: that album. It was in like the nineties, but like that,
Speaker 4: that inspired so much to me writing for a long time.
Speaker 4: And then I got more into the band stuff, so
Speaker 4: maybe like a band called the Kooks, who like a
Speaker 4: big British band. Then you've got obviously your Oasist and
Speaker 4: Beatles and everyone else. And I think I've tried to
Speaker 4: take the sing a song right sort of heart filmed
Speaker 4: lyrics but put it with like a sort of indie
Speaker 4: pop music that's right, and try and made them too.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I guess that's the way I kind
Speaker 4: of look at it.
Speaker 2: That makes sense.
Speaker 4: I think I have to give like, for this song,
Speaker 4: we have to give big credit to my guitarist, Eddie Ponting,
Speaker 4: because I loved what I wrote and I loved the song,
Speaker 4: but because of the simplicity of it, I couldn't seem to.
Speaker 13: Fall in love with it, if that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then we were jamming in the room and
Speaker 4: he just does not riff that down down.
Speaker 13: And when he done that, it was like love. A
Speaker 13: face slight.
Speaker 4: As soon as he'd done that, I was like, that's
Speaker 4: what makes the song. That's what gives it like the
Speaker 4: full feel. That's what's going to help sell it. So
Speaker 4: that was a big part of the inspiration for the song.
Speaker 2: Is I was also reading that you you started guitar
Speaker 2: playing kind of lay you know, in contrast with most people,
Speaker 2: I mean, there is no right age to Obviously, the
Speaker 2: younger you are, the more you know. In terms of research,
Speaker 2: they say that the brain can absorb information quicker when
Speaker 2: you're younger. So if you start an instrument, just like
Speaker 2: learning a language. The younger you start, the better in theory,
Speaker 2: But you started when you were nineteen, is that correct?
Speaker 14: Yeah?
Speaker 13: Yeah, I like you, Matt, You've done you like this?
Speaker 2: Oh I try, I try.
Speaker 13: You know it's good though, I like it.
Speaker 2: What was it that made you start at nineteen? What
Speaker 2: was it that inspired you to to start learning guitar?
Speaker 2: Or or maybe it just kind of happened organically. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but it was.
Speaker 4: I'd met a couple of new friends at like eighteen,
Speaker 4: I got me faced job, I was wearing the suits.
Speaker 4: It was like, I was like, I felt like a
Speaker 4: man at eighteen, with working with men and everything else.
Speaker 4: And I met a few older lads and they rolling
Speaker 4: into different genres of music and just different things in
Speaker 4: life in general. And we would at a house party
Speaker 4: and one of them was just playing a guitar and
Speaker 4: I just, I don't know, I just seen it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that that line again of the face sight. When I
Speaker 4: seen it, I was like, that just looks cool, it
Speaker 4: sounds amazing. So then I just kind of saw His
Speaker 4: name was Michael Hilton. He always moans that I don't
Speaker 4: mention him, Okay, so give him his little showers.
Speaker 13: Hell, but yeah, just something about it.
Speaker 4: I'd never really grew up around that type of music,
Speaker 4: so I always joke saying I grew up in like
Speaker 4: a ghetto, so it was like I didn't see a
Speaker 4: lot of it, and then once a kind of discovered it,
Speaker 4: I just loved it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I assume, because it sounds like you were pretty motivated,
Speaker 2: like once you started, once you started learning, did you
Speaker 2: learn quickly?
Speaker 4: Did it did it come with it become like an addiction?
Speaker 13: It become like I just I love doing it. I
Speaker 13: don't even know why.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe maybe it was escapism.
Speaker 13: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It was just something to bury into. And I'm not
Speaker 4: I'm not an overly emotional person, okay, but with the guitar,
Speaker 4: with the with the guitar, and we right, and it's
Speaker 4: like that's my way of getting it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't know that that makes sense.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, because I think a lot of creative people.
Speaker 2: I think you know, and obviously we talk to creative
Speaker 2: people all the time on the show, and I think
Speaker 2: that we tend to When I say we, I mean
Speaker 2: we who are are creative in some way. I think
Speaker 2: that's that is how we tend to express ourselves and
Speaker 2: and maybe some of us, maybe not, might not be
Speaker 2: so good at expressing or emoting you know, emotions and
Speaker 2: feelings just in our everyday lives in terms of dealing
Speaker 2: with people interpersonally. But it comes out through our art.
Speaker 2: That's that's where we tend to channel it, channel it through.
Speaker 2: So that makes a lot of sense. And you know,
Speaker 2: I use the word therapy, I mean music, you know,
Speaker 2: creating anything, whether it's music or visual art or whatever
Speaker 2: it is that you're creating. I think that is the
Speaker 2: best therapy because that's a way to kind of work
Speaker 2: things out and express things and and you know, kind
Speaker 2: of show everyone what you're feeling and what you're thinking.
Speaker 4: And and then yeah, that's the beauty of art, isn't
Speaker 4: it matter? Like you just hit the nail on the
Speaker 4: head as you say, It's an expression, isn't it? And
Speaker 4: the beauty of art is I can express someone and
Speaker 4: say a song form and people are listening to it
Speaker 4: and they'll tee they don'twn expression out of it.
Speaker 13: Yes, It's like that's what kind of makes art cool. Yeah,
Speaker 13: So I definitely love that side, and.
Speaker 4: It's something when I face come into I never really
Speaker 4: considered that. I've just done it sort of naturally, and
Speaker 4: then over the years you just kind of learn these
Speaker 4: things that you learn about yourself through your song writing,
Speaker 4: because I always say, when you start writing the song,
Speaker 4: you might have an idea or an emotional or something,
Speaker 4: but you have no idea what's about to come out, right,
Speaker 4: You don't have no idea what you're about to write.
Speaker 4: And then like with Piecing Sound, I come out of
Speaker 4: no Ways twenty minute Lays some Saturday with this song
Speaker 4: that went on to become what I sort of classes
Speaker 4: are face Release. Yes, you just you have no idea
Speaker 4: that that's where it's going. And that's what I love
Speaker 4: about it. It's creating something out and nothing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of an adventure. You don't know how
Speaker 2: it's going to end up. And when you bring when
Speaker 2: you bring other people to into the process, like your
Speaker 2: guitar player, who who came up with that that riff
Speaker 2: that is so that is so central to that song,
Speaker 2: and then it's like, wow, Okay, I didn't I wasn't
Speaker 2: expecting that, but it's it's amazing and that that you know,
Speaker 2: that really helps.
Speaker 15: You so.
Speaker 4: Helps massively, not just in the same terms of like,
Speaker 4: so the creation of the song then becomes big, bigger
Speaker 4: and better because there's more influence. But also from a
Speaker 4: personal point of view, when it comes to performing the
Speaker 4: song or talking about the song, I don't have as
Speaker 4: much ego because I know it's not all me. Sure
Speaker 4: in the past, when you talk about your music, you
Speaker 4: always feel a bit egotistical talking about your art because oh,
Speaker 4: it's it's all me and look how good I am
Speaker 4: and all that.
Speaker 13: It just comes across the bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, it just comes across a bit ego. But
Speaker 4: because all the band have helped and shape the song,
Speaker 4: I feel like I can perform it and talk about
Speaker 4: it with less weight. It's like it's more freeom That
Speaker 4: makes sense. Yeah, And I enjoy that side of it.
Speaker 2: That makes sense. It sounds like collaboration is very important
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 13: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, am I am I right about that? Is it?
Speaker 2: Is it really important? Because you know some artists. To
Speaker 2: some artists it's kind of the opposite. Some don't want
Speaker 2: to let anybody in, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 2: and that that's fine too. You know somebody who just
Speaker 2: says a solo acoustic thing, for example, and maybe they
Speaker 2: don't want to work with other people. Maybe they just
Speaker 2: want to write their songs and play their songs and
Speaker 2: that's it. But it sounds like to you collaboration is
Speaker 2: really important.
Speaker 4: I think it's a balance. For me, I think, well
Speaker 4: that's where it. Obviously life changes constantly and so does
Speaker 4: your mindset. But for me at the minute, it's a balance.
Speaker 4: So I love having the final say. I I'd admit
Speaker 4: that I like being the one who says that works,
Speaker 4: that doesn't.
Speaker 13: I do like having that sort of control.
Speaker 4: If you will.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 13: But I also love saying to the lads, I don't
Speaker 13: want to tell you what to play.
Speaker 4: Just feel the music, feel emotion. And they'll be playing
Speaker 4: something and I'll say no, to be honest, they don't
Speaker 4: like that, or you'll do something to go, wow, play
Speaker 4: that again, can you maybe change it a little bit?
Speaker 4: Or and it's collaborating, like you say, it's working together yeah,
Speaker 4: or I do like to try and have the last
Speaker 4: say what I think is the best sound or.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 13: It's a balance balance on act.
Speaker 2: So I'm curious about the band dynamic because you you know,
Speaker 2: online you basically you know, you sort of prevent present
Speaker 2: I should say as a as a solo artist. But
Speaker 2: but you have a band that that records with you
Speaker 2: and and uh and plays live shows with you. I assume, right,
Speaker 2: And I assume it's the same people in the studio
Speaker 2: who also play with you live.
Speaker 4: Yes and no, So we do. We do have a
Speaker 4: set band, but it's already changed twice. Oh and we've
Speaker 4: only been We've only been going like three months. So
Speaker 4: part of the reason sticking with the Jamie Higgs is
Speaker 4: my name in Liverpool was doing well at the time.
Speaker 4: I think Me and Me Instagram was getting like nearly
Speaker 4: half a million views a month, So it didn't make
Speaker 4: sense to change the name at the time, right right,
Speaker 4: because you'd lose lose that momentum.
Speaker 13: And then I think over the last.
Speaker 4: Few months it kind of seems like a good decision
Speaker 4: because we've been changing band members and stuff. I really
Speaker 4: want a band name. I just wanted to be a
Speaker 4: step band. So we're everyone's invested in it. Where at
Speaker 4: the minute it's a it's a little bit up than that.
Speaker 13: But we're doing good.
Speaker 4: But we're all great players.
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's just everyone's very busy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we're just I think the idea is to
Speaker 4: get like seven band members, and there'll always be someone
Speaker 4: who can't can't make it until we get until we
Speaker 4: get to a point where people don't want to miss out.
Speaker 13: Yeah, if that makes sense.
Speaker 4: I always hate talking about this side. It was the
Speaker 4: side of the music and people don't really expose. But
Speaker 4: once you've made it, everyone obviously wants to be involved
Speaker 4: climbing up that climbing up that ladder. It's it's obviously
Speaker 4: harder to get people to commit two nights a week
Speaker 4: and traveling to places where you're not going to make
Speaker 4: much money, probably going to cost more money to go
Speaker 4: and play the gig dinner is to make. So it's
Speaker 4: trying to find that level of quality players and commitment.
Speaker 4: I think that's the hardest bit of the bond industry.
Speaker 2: I know, I know that pain. I don't play anymore,
Speaker 2: but I've played in a lot of bands and over
Speaker 2: the years, and yeah, the hardest part to me is
Speaker 2: exactly what you described. It's like, you know, if you're
Speaker 2: in a band with three other people or four other people,
Speaker 2: and it's you know, everybody's got a different level. You know,
Speaker 2: hopefully the levels are close, but everyone has their own
Speaker 2: level of commitment that they're able to bring or willing
Speaker 2: to bring, and maybe different goals and aspirations you might have.
Speaker 2: You know, you might have someone in the band who says,
Speaker 2: I want to take this as far as it can
Speaker 2: possibly go, and you might have someone else in the
Speaker 2: band who feels more like, no, this is a hobby
Speaker 2: for me. I know, I know this isn't going anywhere.
Speaker 2: I'm just doing this for fun. You know, there's all
Speaker 2: kinds of dynamics that can play there, and that can
Speaker 2: be really challenging trying to navigate that, especially when not
Speaker 2: everyone's moving in the same direction, and there's also drama
Speaker 2: that can happen too. But what I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people don't realize is, you know, for it not
Speaker 2: to work out, it doesn't have to be about drama.
Speaker 2: It's not always about drama. Sometimes it's just a matter
Speaker 2: of different people have different priorities, and yeah, that can
Speaker 2: be really hard.
Speaker 4: No, absolutely, like you sum that up very well there,
Speaker 4: And just as an example, so we had a bit
Speaker 4: of a band meeting and a rehearsal on Wednesday, and
Speaker 4: we address the issues then and there's absolutely zero bad
Speaker 4: feeling in the band. Everyone understands what I was saying. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I love every I love everyone except some of them.
Speaker 13: At the time.
Speaker 4: I appreciate everyone's time and effort up to this point,
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I kind of need more.
Speaker 13: And that's not a knock on anyone, even from yourself.
Speaker 4: You've got a demand more from yourself and everyone around you.
Speaker 13: That's the only way to keep pushing up.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: And I said to the lads, what I'm going to
Speaker 4: do is, because I didn't want to do it behind
Speaker 4: anyone's back, is I'm going to get a few new
Speaker 4: band members into trials. Because it doesn't mean anyone's going
Speaker 4: to be pushed out as I but it's kind of
Speaker 4: my way. I'm putting a bit of pressure on your
Speaker 4: toes to see how you react. And if someone else
Speaker 4: comes in who was willing to push more, then that's
Speaker 4: when it might be thanks for your time, but someone
Speaker 4: else is willing to do more.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And it's just it sounds like a brutal side of it,
Speaker 4: but again, there was no bad feelings. Everyone understood. Everyone
Speaker 4: was still happy, and that's good it was. It was
Speaker 4: just a conversation that needs to be hard because I
Speaker 4: love where we've got to for now. But obviously I'm pushing.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'd love to be number one in the
Speaker 4: world at some point. I'm not saying I'll ever be there,
Speaker 4: but if you don't push for that, then you're never
Speaker 4: going to get as high as you can.
Speaker 2: Right, Right exactly? Did you have anxiety going into that?
Speaker 2: Because that would be that that's the kind of thing
Speaker 2: that would would make me nerve, like, because I'm the
Speaker 2: kind of person, whether it's personally or professionally, I dread
Speaker 2: having to risk hurting anyone's feelings. I I and and
Speaker 2: you know, obviously you go into it not with the
Speaker 2: idea that it's a confrontation but just a very mature
Speaker 2: You're going to express this in a mature, professional manner
Speaker 2: and with positivity. But you did. There's that little thing
Speaker 2: there where you don't know how everyone's going to necessarily react. Right,
Speaker 2: I would be anxious doing that? Were you anxious doing that?
Speaker 4: I suppose I understand what you're saying. And it wasn't
Speaker 4: like a conversation I was looking forward to. It wasn't
Speaker 4: something that I was excited excited about doing well. I wasn't.
Speaker 4: I wasn't dreading it because I thought it was a
Speaker 4: conversation that needed to be had. So it was like,
Speaker 4: like I've always played football or soccer, as you might say,
Speaker 4: I've always played that in my whole life. So I
Speaker 4: use it as a conference, a confidence, I use it
Speaker 4: as a constant reference point.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So playing football, I was the captain for my team
Speaker 4: for like ten years, So there's loads of times when
Speaker 4: we had to have serious conversations, and there's times when
Speaker 4: you have to question people's commitment levels.
Speaker 13: And output levels. And it's not a slight at anyone.
Speaker 4: It's not trying to put anyone down. It's demand them more.
Speaker 4: And I unfortunately, like music is a business and it's
Speaker 4: something that you want to achieve it and be successful
Speaker 4: as much as it's fun and we enjoy it and
Speaker 4: we love it. I want to play to the biggest
Speaker 4: crowds and to the biggest radio stations in the world
Speaker 4: if we can, right, And the only way to sort
Speaker 4: of have that ambition in his eyes, is to demand
Speaker 4: more of myself and everyone else around me. So it
Speaker 4: was just one of them conversations I felt needed to
Speaker 4: be had. I've done it in the best way I could,
Speaker 4: for sure, calm and as pleasurable as you can make it.
Speaker 4: And I think the lads took it well. Everyone was
Speaker 4: understood what I was saying, and yeah, everyone was happy.
Speaker 4: We still then jammed and enjoyed our session. And yeah
Speaker 4: we'll just I said to them, in two weeks time,
Speaker 4: it could still be all us and everyone's just leveled
Speaker 4: up and so what I've said on board, but we
Speaker 4: could have a different druma or a different guitar.
Speaker 13: I don't know, but it was just something that needed
Speaker 13: to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like your background too as a team
Speaker 2: captain really uh really helps you out there. You know.
Speaker 2: It's it's funny too because it's not something that someone
Speaker 2: would necessarily expect would translate, but you know that having
Speaker 2: that skill set. But but but it clearly does and
Speaker 2: that's that's great. But it makes sense too because this
Speaker 2: is a very you know, the music industry is very competitive.
Speaker 2: You know, sports is competitive and the music industry is
Speaker 2: very competitive.
Speaker 4: And you know, not one hundred percent agree with you.
Speaker 4: I actually had this little conversation to myself, like going
Speaker 4: into Wednesday night, so I was like, I never thought
Speaker 4: like the football stuff with translations to the music stuff
Speaker 4: as much because in my head, I keep saying I'm
Speaker 4: trying to build a team of like photographers videographers. So
Speaker 4: we've got like the Piece and Love project with a
Speaker 4: project based on the purely do loads of videography and
Speaker 4: photography for artists, and we have them helping us outloads.
Speaker 4: And we've got Liam Gerrards and Louis Neighbor who's helping
Speaker 4: like manage and promoters at the minute.
Speaker 13: And then there's.
Speaker 4: People he knows like Shell and Lee and stuff like that,
Speaker 4: and then Gary from the PR team who's probably organized this.
Speaker 4: Like we've had loads of people helping us, and that's
Speaker 4: what I love. And like, maybe you're right when you're
Speaker 4: saying earlier about the collaboration stuff. I know for a
Speaker 4: fact I couldn't achieve it on my own. Yeah, there's no,
Speaker 4: There's absolutely zero way. So I'm trying to build a
Speaker 4: big team and a good team who all want to
Speaker 4: achieve something.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd say it's just funny how to translate through
Speaker 4: the fotball Beau. Obviously you want to win your league,
Speaker 4: you want to win the cup or if it all
Speaker 4: comes in with the drive and yeah the winner mentality.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah exactly. Uh no, no, So what's kind of
Speaker 2: the future, So speaking of that. So what's what's the
Speaker 2: future uh trajectory here? What's what's your plan? Because you
Speaker 2: obviously you approach this uh seriously and and I assume
Speaker 2: that you've got strategies and so forth in terms of
Speaker 2: how you're proceeding. You're you're you're clearly not someone who
Speaker 2: just throws it all against the wall and sees what sticks,
Speaker 2: which is what a lot of musicians do, which is
Speaker 2: which is fine. But but I sense that you've probably
Speaker 2: got a pretty clear strategy going forward.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I do, But I get I think it's
Speaker 4: a balance you think sometimes because it is art at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, you never want to lose
Speaker 4: that side of it. So you do need to just
Speaker 4: throw some stuff at the wall and see what sticks.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, it's being sort of savvy
Speaker 4: enough to understand what is sticking, Like there's no butt
Speaker 4: in just keep on throwing and stuff. You kind of
Speaker 4: see what sticks and like work with some of that
Speaker 4: stuff as well as adding to it and having a direction.
Speaker 4: So we in my edit's like a two year plan. Yeah,
Speaker 4: which again I understand because they are and this is
Speaker 4: very easy going and sort of creative freedom, which I love.
Speaker 4: I still like the side of it. But because I
Speaker 4: do have the ambition of I want to achieve something,
Speaker 4: I've set myself like a two year plan to go
Speaker 4: with the creative side of it, and I'm hoping that's
Speaker 4: what helps us. So I know what we've got come
Speaker 4: up in a couple of months, I know what a
Speaker 4: one plan for next year, and I know what where
Speaker 4: I want to be in two years time. Whether all
Speaker 4: that comes together, whether it changes on the way, which
Speaker 4: I imagine at all will I'm expecting for that.
Speaker 13: We have an old saying.
Speaker 4: Prepare for the worst, hope for the best, and like
Speaker 4: that's kind of ware me mentality is, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's important to plan, but it's also important
Speaker 2: to be flexible and be able to adapt and and
Speaker 2: and you know, to kind of be limber with that.
Speaker 2: Is it hard, by the way, balancing that you mentioned
Speaker 2: you have you have two kids, right, yeah? Is it
Speaker 2: hard balancing all of that, which I mean we talked
Speaker 2: a little bit about it earlier, And that's kind of
Speaker 2: where a piece in your sound comes from. Right, But
Speaker 2: I mean, like, are your kids, I don't know how
Speaker 2: old they are, do like do they understand what you do?
Speaker 2: And that you create music, and and and why uh,
Speaker 2: why it's important to you and all that, and and
Speaker 2: I'm curious too, while we're at it, do they have
Speaker 2: any musical Do you see any musical inclinations from them?
Speaker 2: You know, do they do they show any interest in
Speaker 2: maybe picking up an instrument. I assume they're very young,
Speaker 2: because you're a young guy. But but I'm curious about
Speaker 2: that dynamic.
Speaker 4: Well, obviously i'll be lying of us. And it was easy. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 4: anyone who's got a family will tell you that's hard
Speaker 4: in itself. It's a it's a constant battle kids. Just
Speaker 4: one of those, he's told. But that's I love them. Then,
Speaker 4: the absolute inspiration in my life. Good me little boy, kay,
Speaker 4: And he's four, and I've got a little girl, Rosabella
Speaker 4: who's six months Okay, oh wow, so she's still very young.
Speaker 4: But me little boy loves it. He loves the music,
Speaker 4: he loves piecing your sound good.
Speaker 13: He's got a little guitar and he's.
Speaker 4: A stand in the living room like piece yourself. He
Speaker 4: loves it.
Speaker 13: Yeah, And obviously there's not a more half. And I
Speaker 13: was made than seeing that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But the juggle of family life and the music
Speaker 4: life is it's it's my biggest challenge in life. Definitely.
Speaker 4: The way I'm kind of fortunate is because I do
Speaker 4: sing him for the living, so I gig in the
Speaker 4: bars around Liverpool City Center. So music is my lifestyle,
Speaker 4: which kind of makes it that bit easier because if
Speaker 4: you're waken a regular Monday to Friday or regular job
Speaker 4: to then find time to do music, I think will
Speaker 4: be harder.
Speaker 13: Because I'm already so I'm going to be out gigging
Speaker 13: in a.
Speaker 4: Few hours, so excellent, So I'm classing this is a
Speaker 4: way time. So I've come to the studio because we
Speaker 4: have a rehearsal room, so I've come here to do
Speaker 4: if it's like you have an office, and that helps
Speaker 4: me real be balanced. And then my wife Tasha, she
Speaker 4: obviously she's very supportive and that has to deal with
Speaker 4: a lot of late lights and sure me and the
Speaker 4: lad are going to practice tonight, so the kids to
Speaker 4: bed on your own.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but you have a supportive partner and
Speaker 2: that's that that helps tremendously with anything.
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, God bless you.
Speaker 2: She puts up with a love absolutely well, very good
Speaker 2: in a moment. Well, we'll let you go in a moment, Jamie,
Speaker 2: You've been very generous with your time, but I also
Speaker 2: want to play at the end of our conversation, I
Speaker 2: want to play the song. I can additional and this
Speaker 2: actually came out now, this came out a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago, right, yeah, this is this is another great song.
Speaker 2: Jenny and I both love this. Is there anything you
Speaker 2: can tell us about this about this song?
Speaker 4: Absolutely I can yet. So this was I think it's
Speaker 4: probably the most emotional song I'll ever write, because it
Speaker 4: just the family were going through such a difficult time
Speaker 4: and we had just lost my granddad, which that wasn't
Speaker 4: like a big deal. He was getting on so we
Speaker 4: kind of it wasn't out of Norway type of thing.
Speaker 4: But me uncle had kind of stopped speaking to his
Speaker 4: dad and when he passed away to break down because
Speaker 4: instant regrets or not like making making up when he
Speaker 4: had the chance, and it had just felt a bit
Speaker 4: of a ripple effect through the family. And then there
Speaker 4: was a lot of other emotional things going on in
Speaker 4: the family at the time.
Speaker 13: Which I won't go into too much.
Speaker 4: I just can't remember the time thinking, wow, everyone falls
Speaker 4: out with people that you love. But at the end
Speaker 4: of the day when the crunch comes to it, once
Speaker 4: they're gone, and you realize that love was always still late.
Speaker 13: It never went.
Speaker 4: You might stop talking, or you might push away and
Speaker 4: whatever else, but whether you like to admit it or not,
Speaker 4: you'll always love the people that you've loved. For your family, right,
Speaker 4: that the big one for me, his family. I used
Speaker 4: to always joke saying about there's someone and new who
Speaker 4: was like the coaxes persions and them was the dog.
Speaker 4: But if they absolutely loved the dog, and it was
Speaker 4: like that unconditional lovely no matter what happens, if you
Speaker 4: can't realize that love is unconditional, and once you kind
Speaker 4: of experience it, it's like an ex partner. You could
Speaker 4: break up with your ex partner, but there'll always be
Speaker 4: a part of you that I'll have love for that
Speaker 4: ex panner, for the time that you spend together, on
Speaker 4: what you went through of course, if it was real
Speaker 4: love obviously. And Yeah, it just comes from so many
Speaker 4: different emotions into one song. And again it was another
Speaker 4: one of them where I had had the code progression
Speaker 4: for years years. I had wrote like two or three
Speaker 4: different songs to it and never liked any of them. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then this one just kind of come out of
Speaker 4: nowhere in like a sort of heartfled like way. And
Speaker 4: then yeah, it was kind of people around me who
Speaker 4: wanted me to release that more than myself.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: So I think it's one of them where my family
Speaker 4: all love it and it'll always be something to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, no, it's it's it's it's a beautiful song,
Speaker 2: beautiful thank you.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that absolutely.
Speaker 2: And before we do that, Jamie, and before we let
Speaker 2: you go, where should people go online? Where's the best
Speaker 2: place for people to go online to keep up with
Speaker 2: everything that Jamie Higgs is doing.
Speaker 4: Instagram's meet soors of main use for social media, that's
Speaker 4: what I kind of use.
Speaker 13: I try and go on that daily.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to build me TikTok because everyone says TikTok's
Speaker 4: the way to go.
Speaker 2: Now that's right.
Speaker 13: I'm trying to use that more.
Speaker 4: I think TikTok's a little bit more cringey, and that's
Speaker 4: what It just takes a bit of get used to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, you know here in America too,
Speaker 2: there's always politicians threatening to take it away from us.
Speaker 2: They haven't done it yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it's just it's a weird one of TikTok
Speaker 4: because the whole China, this whole China connection and everyone
Speaker 4: else to the sort of yeah, yeah, yeah, the opinions
Speaker 4: on that. But we won't open that though.
Speaker 2: No, no, that's a big door to open. But but yeah,
Speaker 2: so so Instagram is.
Speaker 4: The main the main place I would say, so yeah,
Speaker 4: so yeah, okay, all right.
Speaker 2: Very good Jamie. Listen, it's been wonderful speaking with you,
Speaker 2: and we'll definitely do this again in the future as
Speaker 2: you're releasing new music. Well, we'll have you back. Certainly,
Speaker 2: love what you're doing. And uh and you said you've
Speaker 2: got a show tonight, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got three tonight and then I'm doing all
Speaker 4: guest appearing is a studio oh tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got a busy night ahead of you.
Speaker 4: That's great, absolutely off mart Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good.
Speaker 4: But I'd also like to say things I've really enjoyed.
Speaker 4: This has probably been the best one I've done, so
Speaker 4: oh absolutely absolutely credit means have enjoyed this.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, Jamie. I appreciate that. I appreciate that
Speaker 2: very very much. We love to hear that. All right, well,
Speaker 2: we will let you go, my friend. I'm gonna hit
Speaker 2: that track Unconditional, and then I'm probably gonna sneak in
Speaker 2: piece in your sound one more time too for people
Speaker 2: who are just joining us. Sometimes I cheat it. Sometimes
Speaker 2: I cheat a little bit. If I really love a song,
Speaker 2: I'll sneak it in a second time in the hour,
Speaker 2: because why not. But uh, thank you, thank you again
Speaker 2: Jamie so much, and we will talk to you soon.
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 4: Absolute pleasure. Thanks, Steve and Jenny appreciate it.
Speaker 2: You got it all right.
Speaker 4: Take care byeye much love may take care. Thank you,
Speaker 4: you got it all right.
Speaker 2: Wonderful. That was the great Jamie Higgs really enjoyed our conversation.
Speaker 2: And let's play this song again. This is called Unconditional.
Speaker 2: This is such a beautiful song. Jenny and I both
Speaker 2: love this. And then we're also gonna play a piece
Speaker 2: in your sound again too. Another just such a great track.
Speaker 2: So and look forward to watching his career as it
Speaker 2: continues to evolve. But he's doing great stuff. But here
Speaker 2: it does. This is Unconditional by Jamie Higgs.
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