Matt Connarton Unleashed 1-18-25 hour 2

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Speaker 4: That is setus free.

Speaker 10: Brand new from our friend Nancy Manette, who's been on the show a couple of times. She's skyping in from from Texas.

Speaker 4: Nancy, are you there?

Speaker 7: I am, good morning, you two.

Speaker 10: Good morning, It's it's only me. Jenny is at home. She's been she's been very very busy. I don't know if you follow her on social media, and I do.

Speaker 7: Do you've actually been chatting?

Speaker 4: Oh okay, yeah, all of her activism.

Speaker 10: She had a pretty intense, Uh, she had a pretty intense couple of days this week. And so she's home home getting so well earned, well deserved rest. But I'm so very proud of her.

Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, she's yes, well, she she sent me a text and uh, the picture from her in front of you know, down in in the downtown Manhattan, in front of the Stock Exchange. And yes, you know, I got teary eyed when I saw her picture because part of the lyrics, instead of free, talks about greed. And you know, when when our friends and our family and our neighbors and even the strangers we've not met yet yet, but they're they're citizens of this country, do not have access to healthcare, but record profits are being recorded.

Speaker 7: I'm not sure. I'm not sure we're doing it right.

Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm absolutely completely sure we're doing it wrong. I'm absolutely I have no no doubts whatsoever.

Speaker 4: We're doing it wrong.

Speaker 7: That's right.

Speaker 4: But no, I love the song set Us Free, and this is new right or this is relative brand new?

Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I actually, uh, while recording the debut album, I was working on the next one, and so uh, this was written.

Speaker 7: This was it's a it's a I'm I love this song for a lot of reasons, but also like where it came. I was sitting at Criteria down in Miami. We wrapped early and I had time left over to just noodle around on the piano, and I had this concept. Actually when I flew home from London from recording at Abbey Road. I thought, I want to write a song about you know, women and what we've been through and you know whose fault, you know, we we point a lot of fingers, right.

Speaker 10: And and is it is it?

Speaker 7: You know, the man's fault? And and and I'm like, you know, it's it's not just women, and it's not just men, it's you know. I just started writing and then when I got to Criteria, I sat down on the piano and the melody came and it was slotted for the next album. So this is the first read. This is actually the first song on the upcoming album release that will be later this winter, I think early spring.

Speaker 4: Outstanding. Yes, what's the album called? Do you have a title?

Speaker 1: I do?

Speaker 7: Yeah, look look for Paths P A A P A T h S. Yeah, that'll be coming out. How many, of course singles will come after that, but yeah, after this one. But then the album will drop probably sometime in April.

Speaker 4: How many do you know how many songs are going to be on it?

Speaker 7: And that one is nine nine?

Speaker 10: Okay, so is the album? Is the album completely done? It's it's just uh, yes, excellent.

Speaker 7: Yes, it is, in fact, we're finishing number four right now in the studio.

Speaker 4: Okay, so yeah, wow, yeah, a little busy, Yeah, no kidding, huh.

Speaker 10: So, so since we last talked, according to Skype, it was oh, actually, according to Skype, it was ten months ago. But then there was also that time you were here in studio with us. But yeah, so that was obviously more recent, right, Yes.

Speaker 7: That was in May. It was in May at the launch of the debut album.

Speaker 4: Okay, it all becomes I love seeing you guys in person.

Speaker 7: I wish I could be there right now.

Speaker 10: Yeah, no, it was wonderful to have you here. It all becomes such a blur as far as time. I also say too, I feel like the pandemic messed up time for a lot of people because I absolutely so many of us perceived time differently now than we did a pre pandemic for whatever reason.

Speaker 4: But yeah, so this is so. Is there a theme with the the new album?

Speaker 10: I mean, obviously, you know, set Us Free has a you know, it's pretty pretty specific, and you know you can you can get a message out of those lyrics, certainly, But is there a theme running through the album with with paths.

Speaker 7: I would say the word pat that's actually where the you know we have, life takes us down different roads, right, and you know, depending on what we choose on a day to day and year to year, life just takes us in different directions. And and so it's an album that really focuses, you know, And I'm a you know, I'm a I'm a story teller, right, I'm you know a lot of ways. My my lyrics are folk driven, but my style is not folk, right, So I've got the stories that are constantly running through any of my lyrics, and and you'll find that on this upcoming album as well.

Speaker 7: I you know, just address different topics. I addressed topics of pain, I address topics of you know, a woman getting out on her own, address topics of you know, we need each other as a community to jump off together, so we're each other's cheerleaders and and and set us free. You know, I'm addressing we don't want, you know, what our parents thought they could do without getting caught. You know, you know a lot of us have parents, And I was speaking from myself my you know, my dad has been gone many years, but I still have a parent in her mid to late eighties, and and even our grandparents.

Speaker 7: Man. You know, my my grandmother U. She was not a not a not rest her soul, She was not a nice human, you know. And a lot of the problems that are still systemic today point back to this dishonesty and this greed that we built and then said we should be okay with. And it was my daughter who pointed it out, you know, as as she was looking at even my own career, and how we go out and build, build, build, build, build and collect and you know, stuff, and at the expense of other people. And so you know, just what like what Gen's facing, you know, just basic health cares and and and shots that are that are needed for people's well being and not having access is it's heartbreaking.

Speaker 10: Actually now when you talk, when you talk in the song about what what they thought, you know, they could do and and sort of get away with are you are you speaking broadly or are you speaking about specific things that happened to you growing up?

Speaker 7: This one is actually a much broader Yes, it could be let me let me back up. It could be applicable to my life for sure, right, things that happened to me as a child, things that have happened in my adult life that people have chosen to lie about, right for sure. But actually the underlying tone for this song was really based on a conversation I had with my daughter and looking at the state of the world in present day and how you know people can just get away with criminal behavior. Yes, and as long as the dollar is lining our pockets.

Speaker 7: You know, this is a worldwide problem. You know, I could just focus it right here in the US, but this is something that has to be corrected across the world. And there are some places that are doing some things very well, so shout out to to those countries. But I it is it's a direct you know, it's a direct response to where we're finding ourselves as humans on this planet. And I believe we have a responsibility to take care of each other. Yes, it's not just what's in my retirement plan, right.

Speaker 12: Right.

Speaker 7: Yeah, But also you know, for sure, when I was young or even present day, you know, I live under I live under the threat of lives. And you know,

Speaker 7: if just to share a song as simple as set us free, yeah, do.

Speaker 10: You do you have a relationship with and obviously some of these things we've talked about in previous conversations, but for people who are hearing me speak with you for the first time on the show. For newer listeners, I can't recall exactly what you've said about this, But do you have a relationship with anyone from your your family growing up or is.

Speaker 2: I do not?

Speaker 4: Okay and not well?

Speaker 7: And let me back that up. I do with an aunt who really just pioneered the way as a single woman, was single, has been single her whole life, you know, started as an airline attendant way back in the early sixties, and so she has lived her whole life as a single woman and has really paved the way for a lot of us women. But other than my aunt, I do not, and not without trying. And I'll tell you I went last Christmas. I went to share a Christmas song that I had written with my adoptive mother, and I was greeted in the driveway by my adoptive brother who just lit me up, just screaming, yelling, you know you won't sing about it.

Speaker 7: I'm like sing about what. I'm literally here to share a song about Christmas in our hearts all year long, you know, And and I have you know, I lean towards empathy and compassion, especially you know, well, I just lean towards empathy and compassion in general. But you know, we a lot of us have parents siblings that are that are mentally ill, and that mental illness while they don't get access, right, there has to be boundaries they you know, they deserve compassion. Somebody who suffers from any mental illness, it's it's torturess for them.

Speaker 7: But the havoc they reak, you know, is real, and boundaries have to be in place. And I tend to lean towards the hopeful, right, Yes, that I went and shared and the debut album was coming out, and and it was a firestorm and threats. You talk about anything, we'll sue you. It's like, well, Merry Christmas. I was shocked and I thought, where on earth are they getting this narrative about, like what they're screaming about? And then I realized it wasn't you know, until probably days later, because in full you know, vulnerability, Matt, I left.

Speaker 7: I left and just burst into tears. And they live in southern California. So I left, you know, and drove and I was way down, you know, driving through Camp Pendleton, heading to San Diego. And I drove until I got to that rest stop that there's a break there on the coast, and I just I just bawled, and I just thought, wow, you know, I'm hopeful. I believe that people can grow and change. And then WHOA, there, I did it. I walked right into it. Didn't see it coming at all, because I truly went to share a song of hope, and part of the Christmas song I wrote, Spirit of Christmas focuses on, you know, an older person being alone on the holidays.

Speaker 7: Kids are grown, you know, spouses you know are gone for whatever reason, and it identifies with my mom. And yet that that wasn't the focus. So I figured it out. I figured out why they were so upset because I had a promo video that talked about being pinned up against a piano at my cabin. Would I'm referring to my abusive ex husband and my brother literally thought it was him.

Speaker 4: Oh right right. I remember now when you heard the story before it as.

Speaker 7: We had a cabin in the local Big Bear Mountains growing up that had a piano in it, and he Matt, he had actually done that, and I had forgotten, and so you know, as it's all coming back, and of course, you know now I'm calling my my counselor. And I was like, wow, okay, you guys are threatening to assue me if I continue to sing and share stories and bring hope and there's forgiveness for the past. It's the past. I can't be doing what I'm doing now. If I can't embrace forgiveness and wholeness, I'd be writing a lot angrier music.

Speaker 7: Trust me.

Speaker 10: You know what's kind of wild is so you have something very much in common with another recent guest who we had an author, Natalie Moseley Klanad, who was actually on last week. So she's an author, and we had her on because she had written a book about her son has a CRPS complex Regional pain syndrome and which is what Jenny has. So you know, that's that's how we met Natalie. But she's written several books and one of the books she wrote and forgive me, I can't remember the exact title, but it has to do with her family and the term and I had never heard this term before narc attack because I guess I guess her.

Speaker 10: I think it was her mother was was a narcissist, and and and and Natalie for you know, for reasons not unlike your reasons. Natalie has no relationship with her family who she grew up with, and and so narc attack refers to, you know, the narcissism that she had to endure from her family. And I had never even heard that term before, narc attack. I mean, I think I think we might have called that when I was when I was in high school. You know, if if you know, hey, that that kid narked us out, you know, we should give him an arc attack for doing that, you know, But I'm kidding, uh sort of.

Speaker 7: But but I think we're in the same age. I think it had a very different meaning.

Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, well I hear the term narc I I think of something different but abs but but but some of the things And I remember thinking this too as Natalie was speaking on the show about her experience. There are similarities to to your experience with your family, and and I think, if I remember from what she said, she has no, no Jesus not able to have any relationship with the family that she had growing up.

Speaker 7: So yeah, you can't because it's it's debilitating and and for those of us who've experienced it and then uh have grown and healed and we even offer forgiveness. It's still extraordinarily pain and debilitating when when you have to step back into that and you know, I would absolutely put my adoptive brother in the narcissist category. It was a huge eye opener for me because I really have had no relationship with him since we left the home and left high school and we all went out on our own. Yea, he actually was very troubled in his teens and he should have had narcs called on him.

Speaker 4: Yeah, he was.

Speaker 7: He was, you know, just really in the thick of drugs and alcohol and and just really struggled for the rest of his life. But you know, my adoptive mother has borderline personality disorder, and so that's on the spectrum of narcissism. And so you know, somebody's always the bad child in that scenario. And you know, it doesn't matter how good somebody is as a child or an adult,

Speaker 7: if that is you know, what they're facing with parents or siblings, you'll never There's nothing you'll ever do that's good enough.

Speaker 4: You can't win. It's it's an absolutely.

Speaker 7: There isn't. And so you know, there's a there's a very popular belief and it's difficult, Matt, because we want to be close to our family, and you know that that blood is everything and that you never and I'm like, you know what, it's it's not. We deserve to be treated with respect, and we deserve to be treated with love and kindness and understanding and for how we show up in the world. And if our families do not give us that and we're under attack or we walk into abusive situations even as adults, we don't have to stay and we don't have to have relationship.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 10: It's very very and and you talked about it a little bit, it's very difficult when you know they're mentally ill and you so obviously it's in a sense it's well, I shouldn't say in a sense it's not. It's not their fault that they're you know that they're mentally ill. But so of course you want to have love and compassion, especially when it's a family member. But that doesn't mean you're obligated to let them drag you down. And it also doesn't mean that you know, I mean, you have to you have to protect yourself ultimately, and and they they may not understand that, especially if there's narcissism involved.

Speaker 10: They won't understand that they're not capable of feeling that that empathy. And again it's not their fault, it's how their brain is wired. But ultimately, you have to do what you have to do.

Speaker 7: You have to do.

Speaker 4: You have to protect yourself, you have to protect you know, in your case, you have to protect your daughter. You know, yes, so uh so, so it's very very tricky. I I I don't.

Speaker 1: I don't.

Speaker 10: I'm not even sure how I would handle that if I were in that situation. I mean, unfortunately, I you know, I I have a good relationships with my family. I didn't I had, I did have a step parent. I'll keep it vague in case they not that I think they are listening or care about anything that I do. This particular individual I'm thinking of, But I did have a step parent growing up who exhibited a lot of strange behavior and and in some instances I think, uh definitely was unreasonable to deal with shall we say, but but but but that individual also was mentally ill.

Speaker 10: They had had a multiple nervous breakdowns and so forth. So I try to keep that in mind when I think about, you know, certain interactions that I had with that person when I look back as an adult or when I was growing up, and I would think, well, that's kind of messed up, you know, and I don't think I deserve it, and I don't think I deserve the way I was just spoken to. And you know, I think I was being the mature one in the relationship, whereas they're the adult. But you know, but but again, I try to look back at that with well, I don't know what was going on in their head and exactly, and I'll probably never understand it.

Speaker 10: And it's not like I have any contact with that person today. I don't and haven't for decades, not because of any sort of intentional separation.

Speaker 4: But because just they moved away, and I don't.

Speaker 10: You know, I'm one of those people who I don't I'm not the guy who's going to reach out and say, hey, we haven't talked in a long time, just seeing how you're doing. Not because I don't care, but because I just I'm just not the person who does that, you know. So if they reached out to me, I would talk to them.

Speaker 4: Certainly. I don't have any anger or resentment.

Speaker 7: But but well, you know, Matt, that's I love that you said that, because even now, if certain boundaries were respected, I would have you know, my door is still open. It's it's you know, my one of my one of my counselors said to me, uh, somebody that I you know, you know I've moved and somebody from Washington State that I used to see. She said something about, you know, as we were working through how to have a relationship or what what does it look like in a relationship with a family member that's a narcissist, a parent, you know, for instance, or borderline personality disorder, And one of the things she said was, you know, you have to look at yourself like your body or who you are is like a castle, right, and you've got this moat around you, so this body of water that circles us, right, and then you have a drawbridge, and the drawbridge for access to you is are those boundaries whatever you need for yourself to feel safe emotionally and physically, because you know, many of us I have been the subject of not just extreme emotional abuse, I have been the subject of extreme physical abuse.

Speaker 7: And so now do I fear physical abuse from my eighty five year old mother today? No, of course, not the emotional absolutely, do I physically you know, when I was in the presence of my adoptive brother, did I absolutely fear for my life physically? Yes, he was off the chart, like just crazy and angry. I was like, wow, I felt like I was, you know, thirteen years old again. But there's access for relation ship if these boundaries are kept, and if you do not keep these boundaries, the drawbridges up and you do not have access to me.

Speaker 7: So I have lowered my drawbridge many times and said, hey, here is how you have access to a relationship with me. And they are constantly violated. Yeah, and so like even this year, Matt I got a Christmas card and I kind of joke. I'm like, gosh, Mom, could you just leave it to Hallmark? Just leave the sentiment to Hallmark. We do not need to add this is the second year in a row nastiness, right, And I keep thinking of like, but I wrote Spirit of Christmas for you. Oh, I'm like, okay, let's move on.

Speaker 7: And but yeah, I think that that's you know, where I land on it. You know, I know and I respect some of my friends who have like zero we have no contact with Okay, you know, we all have to do what we need to do to feel safe for ourselves and for the loved ones around us that you know, whether they you know, my kids are grown and gone, but I'm still a mom. Yeah, I'm still very protective of and they can fight their own battles. But you know, I think all of us who have kids, you know, it doesn't matter if they're thirty plus.

Speaker 7: Touched my kid and you're going to see a.

Speaker 4: Whole different person, right of course. Of course?

Speaker 13: Yeah.

Speaker 7: Absolutely.

Speaker 10: Do you hear as you've released because you've released how many albums do you have at this point? You've released a few, right, So I have.

Speaker 7: Only released the debut, but I've got you know them in Q.

Speaker 4: Oh okay, gotcha?

Speaker 10: Yeah, So since the debut and by the way, one of them was considered for a Grammy nomination.

Speaker 4: Is that correct?

Speaker 7: The or a Grammy consideration. So the Nancy it's it's self titled, so it's Nancy Manet and it's my debut album, the one that I came in and chatted with you about those couple of times that did receive Grammy consideration this year and for Best Rock Album and Best Engineering Non Classical, And I would be I would not be honest with you, Matt if I wasn't surprised, and you know, my producer laughs, he goes, you shouldn't be so surprised, Aunty. It was good stuff, and I was like, yeah, but you know, I mean, I'm in a sea of genius and I've just and I love artists, and I'm cheerleading all of us on, you know, in our art and to receive that so early on in releasing what I'm writing, right, I'm not early on in my musical performance or even career.

Speaker 7: I've been playing for years, you know, you and I've talked. I mean, that was part of that's part of my story. I played, you know, under the threat of vice lens in my home growing up, after my dad died, I could not play piano when anyone was home. It was never going to happen. And then I picked up a small, little acoustic guitar from a garage sale for five bucks with the pitch pipe and learned to play guitar at two in the morning, you know, as a teenager having to go to school at seven am. I think I slept through my first three periods every day my junior and senior year of high school because I was up playing guitar and so I'm not new to the world of music, but I'm new to writing and releasing my own music, and so it was an extraordinary honor and just to be considered with a group of amazing artists.

Speaker 4: So no, that's remarkable. Do you hear from people who identify with the themes of your songs?

Speaker 7: Yes? In fact, I hear from women on about the song that I wrote called Wanted and how I got free of an abusive relationship and I really just kind of hit it straight on. And I hear from a lot of men about don't let her ruin you. Yeah, crying, thank you, Oh my gosh, how did you know? You wrote a song about our life? And that means more to me than anything, you know, because that's what it's for. It's to relate and hopefully other people identify and find their own path right to what makes them whole, right and the freedom within that.

Speaker 7: Yeah. I also heard from actually belonged to a group called Serendipity Doudan. It's a Mama Bears group for uh mamas that are the parents of lgbt q i A children and even adult children, and and they were very excited about the song My Expansion, which was about my daughter coming out as queer and changing me early in her in her life.

Speaker 10: So yeah, that's probably relatable for for so many people. So that makes sense. I'm not surprised that you've heard from people about that.

Speaker 4: Yeah, that was when you say that changed to you? How did did it?

Speaker 10: Did it just kind of give you a different perspective on uh, because you'll often hear people say, you know, I had certain ideas about what, you know, what it was like to be lgbt Q plus or whatever, and then and then a family member comes out and it and you kind of go, I think for a lot this is my perception is I think for a lot of people it.

Speaker 4: Kind of.

Speaker 10: I'm thinking, I mean, we don't we don't really get into politics on this iteration of the show, but I'm thinking of a couple of so I'll be a little bit vague, but there are a couple of well known, very conservative politicians who have at various points come out as being pro marriage equality because they had children who were gay and it so on that one issue they departed from their conservatism because having a family member who's gay kind of makes you go, oh, okay, so real human beings can be this way, and I love this person.

Speaker 10: And because I love this person and they are this way, I guess being this way is okay, you know, for lack of a better way of putting it. So, I mean, I'm curious how it changed you when your daughter came out.

Speaker 7: So so I love what you just everything you just said, Matt, even that this is not a political show, right, I'm I'm not a for I got. I would describe myself as I am not a political activist. I look at myself and what I mean by that, I mean, while I have my belief systems, and I absolutely support my friends like Jen right absolutely stand there for your healthcare rights. But I'm a writer and I'm a bridge builder, and you know, we all have our places. What I stand next to Jen for her fight, you bet you you know.

Speaker 7: But there's a different level of I think when people like that's their purpose in life is that they are on the front lines in some of these fights. For me, I'm I if anything that I write just get people to think, being able to have conversations, whether or not we one hundred percent agree with each other, That's not what this is about We were never even I mean, humans were never intended to one hundred percent agree. We were intended to figure things out and come to solution that work. Right. So if whatever I write can create a people that maybe are thinking about it, but then oh okay, well let's have a discussion about these topics like this one.

Speaker 7: We don't have to make it extremely political, even though it can divide us politically.

Speaker 10: Right.

Speaker 7: But I was raised very conservative, very rigid, right, wrong, black white. I mean it was intense and very I mean rigid, religious conservative, And so I entered the world as an adult with this. That's all I knew was that was the way. There's one and it's this one, right, And then I have this beautiful baby girl who just from the day of birth, she just wrote her own way. I mean it was like and as she got older, I watched other friends who were rigid and conservative and ultra I call it like a damaging religion, religious religiosity right, uh, where it's an US versus them and there's very little inclusivity.

Speaker 7: And whether listeners or you know, anybody that I talked to lean towards religion at all, I would say the overarching message in healthy religions.

Speaker 4: Is love, right, Yeah, that's.

Speaker 7: Love one another.

Speaker 10: I think, I think, uh, I think Jesus might have even said something about that.

Speaker 4: Possibly correct, he might have. I don't know, perhaps so.

Speaker 7: And so here is this young girl five years old, and she's already challenging me on my belief systems. And I'm watching friends who had the same upbringing, conservative, rigid religious ultra, you know, the unhealthy sides of religion, and they're losing their kids, and the kids are getting older and kids are starting to rebel. And I thought, you know, Hannah really challenged just from the time she was little. Why why why? Why why do you think that way? Because you know, and then as parents, because that's what I was taught, therefore we teach that to you.

Speaker 7: And I was like, yeah, I don't know if I like that answer, right, And then we also are the famous line of parents because I said.

Speaker 4: So, why well, well, uh?

Speaker 7: And I taught her early on, I said, look, if you disagree with me, we have just a few ground rules, and you can always come and talk to me about a decision I made, or even a thought process. It's you know, a decision based upon a thinking way of thinking. You can come and talk to me about it. And if you present your case respectfully, articulately, with no with no temper tantrum, I promise you, excuse me, I promise you I will consider and change my mind. If I said notice something, I will I will absolutely consider and change it to yes.

Speaker 7: However, if you come and screaming, the answer is a hard no, and you will not even we will not even talk.

Speaker 4: Yeah.

Speaker 7: So I'm serious, Matt five years old on. I think I raised the greatest debater of all times.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker 7: And so so when she challenged, let's go bring that back to a circle. So when she challenged me, why mom? As she got older and she came out as queer, I was like, oh, okay, And I had already been evolving and changing, and I've been asking questions of like and I'd have to be quiet if I was, you know, in a group of people who did not accept LGBTQ I a right. I actually had to be quiet because if I stood up for my daughter or that community at the time, I was subject to judgment and right. And so that took a long time for me to really kind of walk through.

Speaker 7: And I watched and then had continual conversations with my daughter, and I grew I just that's you know. So No, I didn't actually have a really open understanding of how parents could change their belief systems until my daughter really just kept asking why. And then I thought, well, because that's the way it was at my family table growing up. So let me think about do I believe what they taught?

Speaker 3: Uh?

Speaker 7: Maybe I don't. What other belief systems are out there? And what are other you know, sides of the political spectrum even saying, let me listen to what they have to say. Yeah, And all of a sudden, I entered a very different phase of my life. And I call it balanced, I suppose now. Of course I lean way. Of course I lean more liberal than I ever did. Do I have some conservative thought processes? Still? Sure, you know, born and raised in it, you you have thoughts and ideas. But I look at it very differently today, and and I'm curious to see how any side of the political spectrum is going to help solve what we're facing in our country and as on a world stage, we have to solve it.

Speaker 7: People are starving, people need medical care, people need housing, three basic needs. And I don't I don't think it's just because you know, there are varying degrees of how people can earn and how people can make a living. And I don't think that if you can't make a living the way I do, you shouldn't have a roof over your head. Do I have the answers? I don't. But you know, bring this back full circle. This, you know, young adult still has very challenging conversations. And one of the conversations we had that led me into writing Set Us Free was, Mom, we don't want what you built.

Speaker 7: Well, I don't understand what that means. Look at your life, mom, because I've been in business my whole life for myself. Yeah, since you've spent your whole life grinding, grind, grind, grind, and you've built, and you've built and you've built. You know, we always upgrade our homes and then we buy investment homes or we have investment you know, retirement. Since she said, we don't want that. We want to live in community, We want to take care of each other. We don't want to be what you guys have built.

Speaker 7: I don't know if you understand that. It's like, oh, and I tell you, Matt, it actually caused me to think about what I build and even present day, Like as early as this setis Free song was written last year. It's like, huh, I could go about life that's without the grind. I don't have to grind, grind, grind rite. Whoa. So here's this thirty two year old, you know, beautiful human, still challenging her mom, you know. And then and then you know, I don't know if I told you this when I saw you last, but I got hit really hard by Hurricane Beryl, and I had to come home from tour and really adjust the latter half of my last year.

Speaker 7: And I sat my kids down and I said, how do you feel about me downsizing and moving and making life a lot simpler? And they're like, we're all for it.

Speaker 9: Mom.

Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, because because you know, I would like to be to be on the road for months on end and not have to worry about the thing that you know, we all want to hang on to, and and for me, it was just too much. And I thought, but that's a conversation with my kid that because I'm open to thinking about things differently, well, I agree with everything. No, do I even understand it. She's discussed economics with me, and it's gone over my head. In fact, i've not because I economics go over my head.

Speaker 14: Her economics go over my head, right right, I understand current economics macro and micro, you know, but as she described how economics could could change, I actually did say to her, I said, okay, you know when we had the you know, the gay and queer conversation early on in life, and I asked you lots of questions, I said, now I want to even ask you more because this is like speaking Greek to me.

Speaker 7: You can think about how we go about our economy totally different, and people can take care of each other in a way that's sustainable. My mind was just blown when we initially started having those conversations. So I've made her promise. I said, you know, as many times as I ask you questions, please stay patient. Right. You know, we have these roadmaps in our brain, right. I think anybody that has done any kind of therapy we get you know, this even is how we see the world. We have a roadmap. And if we were raised to see the roadmap in a certain way, you know, especially about how economy is built or world power is built, and it's a very difficult mindset to change.

Speaker 7: Yes, but it's possible to rewrite those roadmaps if we slow down and listen and are open to having these conversations and bosh, if I can create those in the music that I write and then also bring hope. I think most of what I write, if not all, of what I write, ultimately ends with some type of hope statement within it.

Speaker 10: Yes, yes, I have noticed that. Absolutely, Absolutely, Nancy, we're gonna have to start. The time goes so quickly, we're gonna have to start to wrap up. Unfortunately, I wish, I wish we had more time. It's it's always such a great conversation with you, and I think, if you don't mind, I'm going to close the segment with because we were talking about this song my expansion. I think that would be I think that would be a great way to close. And of course we opened with the new single set us Free and absolutely, and we should remind people too before you go where they should go online to keep up with everything that you're doing.

Speaker 4: And of course Matt, that's very kind of course.

Speaker 7: Yes, So please find me on social media. I am very active on Facebook. So if you find Nancy MiNet, m a n e T. I have a verified check mark. You'll see me sitting at a piano. Please follow, Please send me a direct message. I respond to all of them. Just let me know that you you know, heard me here. And then my website as well. We're in the process of updating, so if you fill out information with an email, but in the next couple of weeks, a refreshed websitees going up with the new material and a new traveling schedule, things like that.

Speaker 7: So that's at Nancymanet dot com. I'm also on Instagram, but I'm newer to Instagram. I joke about it. It's because my age my age group was heavily invested in Facebook. Yes, so I try to cross post and do all that. And then you know, also I'm uploading things to YouTube. You know, I'm not a I'm not a millennial or a gen z. So we're we're I'm figuring out that other side of communications, you know, every day.

Speaker 4: So yeah, I just got to be as many as many places as possible.

Speaker 6: You know.

Speaker 10: Absolutely, I've been thinking about doing more with TikTok. No I'm kidding, obviously, it's about it's about to go dark. For anyone who doesn't know you want to know.

Speaker 7: It's funny, Matt is. I tried so hard to share on the TikTok, but every single time I upload stuff that's not your music, you can't. I'm like, I even had to send information into their legal department all that you're not that's not yours. I'm like, I'm the copyright owner. Please let me, please let me upload.

Speaker 4: My music exactly I have.

Speaker 7: It's like, really, yeah, unused TikTok account. But yes, that is actually funny, Matt. Yeah, well or not, I mean, however we want to see it.

Speaker 10: Yeah, I know, I actually feel badly for a lot of people, but yeah, but uh no, it'll be it'll be interesting to see what happens next with that.

Speaker 4: But Nancy Manet, thank you so much. Always such a pleasure to have you on.

Speaker 10: I always enjoy the discussion, and thank you absolutely and congratulations on everything. And uh, we'll let you go, and we'll close out, uh with this song my expansion. And then for those of you listening live on Saturday, Quincy Raymond is coming up next. He's going to play live in studio for us.

Speaker 4: But we'll let you go. Nancy, thank you again so much.

Speaker 7: Yes, Thank you Matt, and much love to Jen.

Speaker 4: Absolutely, thank you you both. Okay, thank you, bye bye, all right, the great Nancy Manet. And here it is. This is called my expansion. This is a this is a really good song.

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