Matt Connarton Unleashed 10-26-24 hour 1

0:19 Speaker 1: So Coop to day.

0:23 Speaker 2: He was listening to the Greatful Dead for the rest

0:28 Speaker 2: of the day.

0:32 Speaker 3: I wonder what this meant.

0:37 Speaker 2: That I said.

0:41 Speaker 3: That Cockball Day Lasting.

0:45 Speaker 1: That Codall said.

0:50 Speaker 3: That Cockball Day Lasting song com Tony.

1:15 Speaker 2: He was listening to the Grateful Death.

1:19 Speaker 3: He said, hey man, what show is that? He said,

1:24 Speaker 3: show me your hands. Then he shot my dogue.

1:29 Speaker 2: Cop said.

1:33 Speaker 4: That comeball in West.

1:37 Speaker 2: That cop that come ball in.

1:47 Speaker 5: That is Cops on Acid by Plague Dad. And we're

1:51 Speaker 5: gonna be talking to Plague Dad this morning here on

1:53 Speaker 5: the show.

1:54 Speaker 1: Welcome everyone. It is Matt Connorton Unleashed.

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2:13 Speaker 5: Today is Saturday, October twenty six, twenty twenty four, and

2:18 Speaker 5: I am not alone.

2:27 Speaker 2: Jenny John Show guests.

2:31 Speaker 1: Jenny is here at the news table.

2:33 Speaker 4: Good morning, sunshine.

2:35 Speaker 1: Yes, welcome, Welcome.

2:37 Speaker 4: I know something they don't know.

2:41 Speaker 1: You know something they don't know who's they.

2:44 Speaker 4: Our listeners may not know. Well, some might know, but

2:47 Speaker 4: some may not know.

2:48 Speaker 1: Oh, what's up?

2:49 Speaker 4: Happy birthday, Matt? I have surprise for you.

2:55 Speaker 1: MS supposed open this now? Yes, you're supposed.

2:57 Speaker 4: To open the snow as I.

2:59 Speaker 1: Knocked down my All right, well, thankfully.

3:02 Speaker 4: Let's see you can you.

3:04 Speaker 5: Know you have to?

3:06 Speaker 1: Should I open the card later?

3:09 Speaker 6: Okay, I'm just I've been excited. It took every ounce

3:14 Speaker 6: of my being. Can I give you your birthday presently?

3:17 Speaker 1: Oh? Very nice? Should I read it?

3:19 Speaker 4: You don't? You can if you'd like it. You don't

3:20 Speaker 4: have to if you don't want it.

3:21 Speaker 5: Say's happy birthday to my strong, hard working, dependable, handsome,

3:24 Speaker 5: supportive and truly amazing boyfriend.

3:28 Speaker 1: Very nice, Thank you, you're well, Matt.

3:30 Speaker 5: A very happy birthday to the man I love always, Jenny,

3:33 Speaker 5: Thank you very much, very sweet. Oh there's something else

3:37 Speaker 5: in here too, Yeah, all right.

3:40 Speaker 1: Let's see.

3:40 Speaker 5: I should put the camera on me for those watching

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3:45 Speaker 1: Yu, let's see I couldn't. Oh. Oh, we got some

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3:55 Speaker 4: That's just a bonus.

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3:58 Speaker 4: The other one is more.

4:01 Speaker 5: And some Matt Connorton hypnosis stickers a graphic.

4:05 Speaker 1: Yeah of my logo. Yes, my fancy logo.

4:09 Speaker 4: It will be available for purchase.

4:12 Speaker 1: Oh very nice, thank you.

4:14 Speaker 4: I thought you would love those.

4:15 Speaker 1: Yes, thank you very much. All right, yes, well they're okay.

4:21 Speaker 1: My birthday is officially over.

4:22 Speaker 5: Now, okay, that's that's the end of my birthday.

4:27 Speaker 4: We limit discussions.

4:29 Speaker 5: I loved birthdays when I was a kid, no kidding, right,

4:32 Speaker 5: you know, then you get to be an adult and

4:34 Speaker 5: it's like, uh.

4:36 Speaker 4: Oh, my dad was like, I want a list. Me mean,

4:39 Speaker 4: I want a list. What a list of the things

4:41 Speaker 4: you'd like to have. Doesn't mean you're getting all of them.

4:43 Speaker 4: I just want a list. That was birthdays, and that

4:46 Speaker 4: was Christmas.

4:47 Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know about everywhere else but here

4:49 Speaker 5: in New Hampshire. You know, when you're an adult, it's like, hey,

4:52 Speaker 5: time to register and inspect your car.

4:53 Speaker 1: Happy birthday.

4:54 Speaker 4: Give us money.

4:56 Speaker 6: Yes, yes, that is the State of New Hampshire's Happy

4:58 Speaker 6: birthday to you, all of it. Residents of owned vehicles,

5:01 Speaker 6: that's right, and to have a driver's license, that's right.

5:04 Speaker 4: Give us money. Happy birthday to you.

5:08 Speaker 6: You have to pay the government to wish a happy

5:10 Speaker 6: birthday by engaging in commerce.

5:13 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Although the government never forgets it's

5:16 Speaker 1: your birthday.

5:17 Speaker 3: Got to give.

5:18 Speaker 1: Credit for that, they never forget nop. So yeah, So

5:23 Speaker 1: welcome everybody.

5:24 Speaker 5: We've got an exciting show in the second hour, really,

5:28 Speaker 5: October Suns is coming in.

5:29 Speaker 1: Dave Wally's already in the chat room, really looking forward

5:32 Speaker 1: to that. Yes, yes, And.

5:34 Speaker 5: In the third hour we have Rebecca Turmel, yeah, joining us.

5:38 Speaker 5: But right now, and this is the gentleman who is

5:42 Speaker 5: responsible for that song Cops on Acid. Plague Dad is here.

5:45 Speaker 5: Let me get that mic up there. Frank Gallagher, better

5:49 Speaker 5: known as Plague Dad. Hello, sir, how are you doing?

5:51 Speaker 5: Thanks so much for having Yeah, we're very happy to

5:53 Speaker 5: have you here. We're gonna play some of your other

5:55 Speaker 5: tunes today as well. But I do have to ask

5:57 Speaker 5: you right off the top, is that that song Cops

6:01 Speaker 5: on Acid? Is that based on an actual experience? Did

6:03 Speaker 5: you did you encounter a member of law enforcement who

6:06 Speaker 5: was on acid?

6:07 Speaker 1: Well?

6:08 Speaker 3: No, not so much that that was more the speculative part.

6:11 Speaker 3: It isn't It is actually based on an incident though

6:16 Speaker 3: a former life. I used to be a bike messenger

6:18 Speaker 3: back in San Francisco. Okay, so I rode around the

6:21 Speaker 3: city delivering things, picking up things and dropping them off

6:24 Speaker 3: for money. So one day I had picked up a

6:28 Speaker 3: filing that needed to make it to city Hall by

6:30 Speaker 3: a four thirty a deadline, you know, and need to

6:32 Speaker 3: get there quick quick.

6:34 Speaker 1: It was on my way.

6:35 Speaker 3: I was riding up Marcus Street as quickly as I could,

6:37 Speaker 3: and I ran into a police officer who was the

6:41 Speaker 3: doors of his cruiser were wide open and he was

6:43 Speaker 3: directing traffic but blaring out of the He was listening

6:47 Speaker 3: to the dead out of the out of his cruiser

6:49 Speaker 3: while he was directing traffic. And I was like, Okay,

6:52 Speaker 3: that's just interesting. You don't see that every day, And

6:56 Speaker 3: it stuck with me. And then later that night I

7:00 Speaker 3: wrote that song.

7:01 Speaker 5: Oh okay, I know, I thought, maybe, so what about

7:04 Speaker 5: the shooting of the dog, because that that does happen

7:07 Speaker 5: as you know it does.

7:08 Speaker 3: That was something that literally torn from the headlines. Yeah,

7:11 Speaker 3: so to speak. So that was, you know, I mean,

7:13 Speaker 3: with with songwriting, you try to, at least my approach

7:17 Speaker 3: is to try to start from something personal, whether it's

7:20 Speaker 3: deeply personal or superficially personal. I mean, I guess really

7:23 Speaker 3: is a judgment call. But then try to establish some

7:27 Speaker 3: connections and broaden the universality of it at the point,

7:31 Speaker 3: and given everything that's going on with our police these days,

7:37 Speaker 3: that seemed to be a direction.

7:39 Speaker 1: Because they will. If you have a dog who needs

7:40 Speaker 1: to be put down, they will, they will do it

7:42 Speaker 1: for you.

7:42 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you just have.

7:43 Speaker 5: To have a you know, like if you have a

7:45 Speaker 5: warrant for something, they'll show up at your house. Well

7:47 Speaker 5: they're well, they're they're they're you know, if you have

7:50 Speaker 5: like old Yeller or something, you don't want to do

7:52 Speaker 5: it yourself. Yeah, anyway, but you're not. But just to

7:56 Speaker 5: be clear, you're not. You're not pro law enforcement on acid.

8:02 Speaker 3: You're I assume, well, you know, I always think that

8:04 Speaker 3: drug use is a personal choice. You know, while if

8:07 Speaker 3: if somebody who holds that position wants to do that,

8:09 Speaker 3: that would be fine. I probably while they're not on

8:11 Speaker 3: do right, you know, but in what they do on

8:15 Speaker 3: their own time is their their their business.

8:17 Speaker 5: It is a It is a fun song though very

8:19 Speaker 5: catch it is, and it's fun and it's uh, it

8:22 Speaker 5: makes me laugh when I listen to it, and we

8:24 Speaker 5: should say, so you're getting some traction with this, you're

8:26 Speaker 5: getting an airplane? Yeah, uh do you know, uh, do

8:30 Speaker 5: you have any idea how many stations at this point

8:32 Speaker 5: have picked it up?

8:34 Speaker 3: Eight or ten that I know of, you know, throughout

8:36 Speaker 3: New England. And then there's there's some in California that

8:38 Speaker 3: has started to play it as well. You know. I

8:40 Speaker 3: mean it's funny because you look at you know, technology

8:43 Speaker 3: these days, like Apple Music, you know, for the artists now,

8:46 Speaker 3: if you're on Apple Music, they have started to track

8:48 Speaker 3: radio plays, yes, and they will tell you what stations.

8:51 Speaker 3: So it's gotten some play, and it's amazing, Like the Midwest,

8:54 Speaker 3: it's gotten some play out in the Midwest. It's gotten

8:56 Speaker 3: some play in Brazil. Yeah, you know, I mean, it's

8:58 Speaker 3: gotten some play in Japan. It's so it's it's starting

9:02 Speaker 3: to get subtraction. Yes, and you know, I've noticed that

9:06 Speaker 3: shows now, I play a lot of shows. For me,

9:10 Speaker 3: that's the essence of music. I mean, I love making

9:13 Speaker 3: records and I love radio, but music to me is

9:16 Speaker 3: and essentially it's a it's it's a very deeply personal experience. Yes,

9:20 Speaker 3: And so at shows now when I play that song,

9:24 Speaker 3: people are actually starting to sing long. Oh that's great,

9:27 Speaker 3: blows me away, excellent.

9:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very cool. That's that's awesome.

9:32 Speaker 5: We should mention too, and I'll put the camera back

9:34 Speaker 5: on me for a moment for people watching online on

9:38 Speaker 5: the Facebook or YouTube so people can see it. So

9:40 Speaker 5: you brought this, yeah, I'll kind of hold it up.

9:42 Speaker 5: You can't can't zoom in unfortunately. But so this is now,

9:46 Speaker 5: this is Vinyl.

9:47 Speaker 3: It is it's a seven inch record. Very cool for

9:49 Speaker 3: songs on it, very cool.

9:51 Speaker 5: Yes, so a seven inch for for those who don't know,

9:56 Speaker 5: young people might not know, uh, that is it's like

10:00 Speaker 5: and this will you can put this on a regular

10:02 Speaker 5: turn time? Absolutely obviously, Yeah, but for people who don't know,

10:06 Speaker 5: you know, because Vinyl has had such a resurgence, but

10:10 Speaker 5: to see a seven inch like this, that's unusual.

10:12 Speaker 3: Well, it's very I pressed two hundred copies of these.

10:16 Speaker 3: I've sold more than one hundred of them now I

10:19 Speaker 3: just realized, which is amazing to me. I mean, to

10:22 Speaker 3: sell one hundred and seven inch records is just and

10:26 Speaker 3: again getting back to that deeply personal experience. I mean

10:29 Speaker 3: I listened to music through all sorts of medium. I

10:32 Speaker 3: listened Spotify, I listen to band camp, I go to shows,

10:35 Speaker 3: I listen to records. But what I'm finding out is

10:40 Speaker 3: that for a growing number of people, they want some

10:44 Speaker 3: sort of physical connection yes to the music. Yeah, and

10:48 Speaker 3: a record or a cassette or to a lesser extented

10:51 Speaker 3: CD will provide that.

10:53 Speaker 1: Yeah.

10:54 Speaker 3: I mean that the first fifty copies of that come

10:58 Speaker 3: with a comic book as well that you can only

11:01 Speaker 3: get with this record. And it was done by the

11:04 Speaker 3: artist named Paul Kurt John who did the cover art

11:07 Speaker 3: as well, and he's a fairly well known comics underground

11:11 Speaker 3: comics artist in the UK okay. And I ran into

11:14 Speaker 3: him online because on this record is a cover of

11:17 Speaker 3: a tune by Black Flag called six Pack Oh okay,

11:20 Speaker 3: And we can't play it here today because it's a

11:23 Speaker 3: heavy laden with profanity and just isn't appropriate for the

11:26 Speaker 3: audience on a Saturday morning here. But yes, he came.

11:29 Speaker 3: He's a Paul is an enormous Black Flag fan, and

11:33 Speaker 3: he came across the song and we hooked up and

11:35 Speaker 3: we talked, and he's offered to do the cover of

11:39 Speaker 3: the record because he just really dug the tune and

11:41 Speaker 3: I was like, oh yeah, man, absolutely, and then he said, well,

11:44 Speaker 3: could you you want to do a comic book too.

11:47 Speaker 3: I said, I'll draw comic book and you could just

11:49 Speaker 3: give it away.

11:49 Speaker 1: Wow.

11:50 Speaker 3: So he sent me the files, you know, from the UK,

11:53 Speaker 3: and I printed it here and I printed fifty copies.

11:56 Speaker 3: I have eight left. I keep forgetting to bring the

11:59 Speaker 3: comics to the shows when I the records, so you know,

12:03 Speaker 3: mail order, you definitely get the comic book you come

12:05 Speaker 3: to a show. If I remember to bring up I

12:07 Speaker 3: did bring him today. I'll bring one in after the show.

12:10 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, thank you.

12:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh, it's a it's a it's a it's

12:14 Speaker 3: a very offensive comic book to some people. Yeah, it's

12:17 Speaker 3: it's it's uh. It pushes the boundaries. Okay, okay, which

12:21 Speaker 3: is right up my alley?

12:25 Speaker 2: Uh?

12:26 Speaker 1: Now where do you record? You know?

12:28 Speaker 3: I record wherever I can. Honestly, this record was recorded

12:33 Speaker 3: at Monaco Studios in Falmouth, Maine, and it was engineered

12:37 Speaker 3: and uh mixed by a by a man named Dan

12:40 Speaker 3: Capaldi who is an absolutely gifted producer, engineer, musician. This

12:46 Speaker 3: guy has some of the best years that I've ever

12:48 Speaker 3: run across. And he also plays drums and sits in

12:52 Speaker 3: with me sometimes. It shows if I need a drummer.

12:54 Speaker 3: Oh okay, So he's played with me a couple of times.

12:56 Speaker 3: He plays with everybody in Portland. If you've seen a

12:59 Speaker 3: band in Portland, you've probably seen Dan Capaldi play drumas

13:03 Speaker 3: or bass or guitar.

13:04 Speaker 5: Or you know, well, every every drummer I know. I mean,

13:07 Speaker 5: it's a consistent theme on the show. Every drummer I

13:09 Speaker 5: know is in like multiple multiple bands.

13:12 Speaker 3: Indeed, So this one was recorded there at Monaco Studios.

13:15 Speaker 3: Now Dan has his own little studio now that he's

13:17 Speaker 3: just set up in Portland. I don't even know but

13:18 Speaker 3: it has a name yet, but I hope to do

13:20 Speaker 3: some recording there. I also, do you know, I'm touring

13:26 Speaker 3: part of it. I play a lot of shows with

13:27 Speaker 3: a band called Vice's Inc. Who are supposed to be

13:30 Speaker 3: here this morning. They couldn't make it. That's by virtue

13:32 Speaker 3: of their absences. I guess, it's not how I sort

13:34 Speaker 3: of walked into this. But they have a studio, so

13:37 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be doing some recording there. I've done some

13:39 Speaker 3: recording with them as well, excellent, So really wherever I

13:42 Speaker 3: can sit it in. I also just record up in

13:45 Speaker 3: my attic. I have a little home studio that I

13:48 Speaker 3: demo things up there, and I try to record as

13:52 Speaker 3: many live shows as I can, really, yeah, because every

13:56 Speaker 3: live show has a different feel. So I just did

13:59 Speaker 3: a tour in August with vices In and I recorded

14:04 Speaker 3: a bunch of those shows. And I have another set

14:07 Speaker 3: that I recorded at the Cody In Theater in Portland

14:11 Speaker 3: where I opened up a film festival. It was the

14:13 Speaker 3: opening act for film, so I recorded that. That was

14:17 Speaker 3: with a full band, very much the sound that you

14:19 Speaker 3: heard with this track that you played, you know, bass drums, mandolin, vocals, guitar.

14:25 Speaker 3: So I have a half hour set of that sound.

14:28 Speaker 3: And then I have another show this a half an

14:30 Speaker 3: hour that's solo, just me and a foot drum and

14:35 Speaker 3: and you know, and and it's very different field, but

14:40 Speaker 3: it's the same songs, yeah, I mean literally, I mean

14:42 Speaker 3: it's almost the same set list. So I'm going to

14:44 Speaker 3: release that on a cassette only release, Okay, So you're

14:46 Speaker 3: gonna get, you know, the full band on one side

14:49 Speaker 3: and the solo set on the other side, and I'm

14:50 Speaker 3: going to print one hundred copies. They're in production right now,

14:53 Speaker 3: and Paul is going to do the cover right for

14:55 Speaker 3: that as well, and those are going to be available

14:58 Speaker 3: on my website. Play Got Dad and on my band

15:02 Speaker 3: camp page as well.

15:03 Speaker 5: By the way, I think it's so cool that your

15:04 Speaker 5: side is plague dot Dad because a lot of people too,

15:08 Speaker 5: you know, I'm a web designer, so I know this,

15:10 Speaker 5: but a lot of people probably don't even realize that.

15:12 Speaker 5: You know, you can get a lot of different you know,

15:15 Speaker 5: you know, it doesn't have to be dot com or

15:16 Speaker 5: dot net or you know, at this point, you can

15:19 Speaker 5: get almost anything if you're willing to pay for it.

15:22 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, you know it's funny. I kind of

15:24 Speaker 3: backed into this one too, because I do a lot

15:27 Speaker 3: of this myself. So I built the website myself. I

15:30 Speaker 3: did you know, I came to the u r L

15:31 Speaker 3: myself them all the marketing. I mean, that's sort of

15:33 Speaker 3: the nature of the music business these days. And I

15:36 Speaker 3: went through I'm going to name and shame here. I

15:38 Speaker 3: went through go Daddy to buy my domain name. I

15:41 Speaker 3: had plague dad dot com. Yeah it was you know,

15:43 Speaker 3: which was fine, and I got it for a year

15:46 Speaker 3: and it went to what it expired. Yeah, and Go

15:52 Speaker 3: Daddy has created a company now and they bought the

15:55 Speaker 3: thing out from under me and offered to sell it

15:57 Speaker 3: back to me for six hundred dollars, and I was like,

15:59 Speaker 3: you know what, I'm done. Not only am I done,

16:03 Speaker 3: I'm actually gonna just, you know, whenever the opportunity comes up,

16:06 Speaker 3: I'm gonna talk smack about you. So here we are

16:08 Speaker 3: talk a smack about go daddy, because if that's their

16:10 Speaker 3: business model for independent artists, then they are going down

16:14 Speaker 3: the wrong road. So now I found somebody else. So

16:17 Speaker 3: I've learned how to do this myself. I change the

16:19 Speaker 3: domain plague dot Dad. It's much better.

16:21 Speaker 1: Well, who who do you own the we should plug?

16:24 Speaker 1: Who do you own the domain through?

16:25 Speaker 3: Now you know it's uh, I believe it's through band

16:28 Speaker 3: Zogle I think is yeah. Yeah. They help with the

16:32 Speaker 3: website and make it really easy and set up the

16:35 Speaker 3: store to sell the records. I mean it's just sort

16:38 Speaker 3: of a one stop shop. And for a musician who

16:41 Speaker 3: is really trying to, you know, do everything themselves, they

16:45 Speaker 3: have a suite of tools that makes it just as

16:47 Speaker 3: easy as it can possibly be.

16:48 Speaker 5: Absolutely one. Yeah, No, that's that's uh, that's very cool.

16:53 Speaker 5: Uh So where does the name come from? Uh, plague Dad?

16:57 Speaker 5: And and people can probably guess indeed, you know there

17:00 Speaker 5: there we we did go through a little bit people

17:03 Speaker 5: might remember, yeah, a bit of a pandemic.

17:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, well, in fact, that is where it comes from. Yeah,

17:09 Speaker 3: you know, when the pandemic emerged, Like a lot of folks,

17:13 Speaker 3: I lost my job at the time, so I had

17:16 Speaker 3: a lot of time on my hands. I ended up

17:18 Speaker 3: in my attic just writing songs and I've always been

17:21 Speaker 3: a musician, you know, yeah, and writing some songs and

17:25 Speaker 3: recording them and I would send them out to friends

17:27 Speaker 3: or post them on you know, snippets on social media,

17:30 Speaker 3: and it started to get some traction, and it's like, well, wow,

17:34 Speaker 3: that's kind of cool. So the name just sort of

17:38 Speaker 3: suggested itself. I mean, I am we during that time,

17:43 Speaker 3: we sort of all better or worse turned inward. I

17:47 Speaker 3: mean it was very you know, you were alone and

17:51 Speaker 3: with your family. In my case, I have actually I

17:53 Speaker 3: am a father, I have you know, three kids, and

17:57 Speaker 3: it's just sort of emerged as a Yeah, in that

18:00 Speaker 3: in a time like that, you know, you're you're at

18:03 Speaker 3: least for me, family was one of the most important things.

18:05 Speaker 1: Yea.

18:06 Speaker 3: And so it's just sort of captured everything that was

18:13 Speaker 3: going on at that time, both personally and culturally for me.

18:19 Speaker 3: In a in a bumper sticker if you will. And

18:21 Speaker 3: then from a marketing perspective, I was like, all right,

18:23 Speaker 3: that that really conjures up everything that I would need

18:27 Speaker 3: a band name.

18:28 Speaker 1: Right.

18:28 Speaker 3: It does what it needs to do as a band name,

18:31 Speaker 3: right right.

18:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's great.

18:33 Speaker 5: And I regular listeners hear me say this all the time.

18:37 Speaker 5: But you know, but I always say, you know, the

18:40 Speaker 5: pandemic was an awful experience for us all but you

18:44 Speaker 5: gotta find these silver linings where you can. And one

18:47 Speaker 5: of the big silver linings is, you know, just broadly,

18:50 Speaker 5: is it really kind of forced people to be more

18:52 Speaker 5: creative and and find ways to do things or or

18:56 Speaker 5: expand on existing ways to do things. But you know,

18:59 Speaker 5: for example, you saw a lot of like bands, you know,

19:02 Speaker 5: doing online performances where they're all in separate places, that

19:05 Speaker 5: kind of thing. Yeah, it also opened people up to

19:09 Speaker 5: people who may have been you know, because I always

19:12 Speaker 5: I ask every guest, you know, where do you record?

19:14 Speaker 5: Because you have so many options now, But it really

19:18 Speaker 5: kind of I think the pandemic opened people up to

19:21 Speaker 5: people who maybe were resistant to you know, just sending

19:25 Speaker 5: files back and forth and recording that way now found

19:28 Speaker 5: themselves in a position where okay, well, I guess I

19:30 Speaker 5: better figure out how to make this work. So it

19:33 Speaker 5: really kind of, I think, expanded the boundaries that people

19:36 Speaker 5: have in their minds in terms of how to be creative,

19:38 Speaker 5: how to make music or anything else.

19:41 Speaker 3: Oh indeed, no, no, no, no question. And you know

19:43 Speaker 3: it's interesting some with all the technology that exists now,

19:48 Speaker 3: it by it there's a toolbox that is unprecedented. I

19:53 Speaker 3: mean from a musical perspective. Yeah, power that we have

19:56 Speaker 3: available to us now as musicians is exp eventually stronger

20:02 Speaker 3: and more robust than it was even just a couple

20:04 Speaker 3: of years ago, ten or twenty years ago. Curiously, though,

20:09 Speaker 3: I used that technology too. I wanted to create a

20:15 Speaker 3: sound and some material that could be played should that

20:20 Speaker 3: technology not be available. You know, I mean, what can

20:23 Speaker 3: I just do with a voice, right, some wood and

20:27 Speaker 3: some guitar strings, you know, wooden instruments that don't have

20:30 Speaker 3: to be amplified. You know, a foot drum, you know,

20:33 Speaker 3: these these tools that are there regardless of whatever the

20:37 Speaker 3: technology situation is. And again it gets back to that connection,

20:42 Speaker 3: that deep personal connection. I'm not saying that, you know,

20:46 Speaker 3: you can't forge that connection through technology, but I was

20:50 Speaker 3: looking for something a little more primal, and so I really,

20:54 Speaker 3: you know, you made an artistic decision to base this

20:59 Speaker 3: in acoustic instruments, and that acoustics sound filtered through that

21:06 Speaker 3: punk rock ethos that brought me into music in the

21:10 Speaker 3: first place.

21:11 Speaker 1: Yeah.

21:12 Speaker 5: So so prior to this, so prior to plague, Dad,

21:16 Speaker 5: what what were you doing musically before?

21:19 Speaker 1: Were you in a band or were.

21:20 Speaker 3: You Yeah, this is a long sorted tale. How much

21:23 Speaker 3: time we.

21:24 Speaker 1: Oh, we have time? Yeah, it's only nine twenty, we

21:26 Speaker 1: have time. I love a long sorted tail. Yeah.

21:28 Speaker 3: No, I started playing, you know, a lawn back in

21:33 Speaker 3: the tees. Into this. I'm in my fifties, Okay, So

21:37 Speaker 3: I started playing. My first band was a band called

21:40 Speaker 3: Scouts on Her and I went to the Berkeley College

21:43 Speaker 3: of Music and with a couple of Berkeley students who

21:46 Speaker 3: happened to be from San Francisco. Oh, and we you know,

21:49 Speaker 3: we gigged around Boston. We played the rat, we played

21:52 Speaker 3: T T's you know, you know, we're doing some things

21:54 Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, and then these guys said, you know what,

21:56 Speaker 3: let's just move to San Francisco. Man, Let's just yeah.

21:59 Speaker 3: So we bought the school bus, ripped out the seats,

22:02 Speaker 3: threw all a crap in and moved to San Francisco.

22:04 Speaker 1: O kid, Yeah, now, what what year was this?

22:07 Speaker 3: This is in nineteen eighty seven.

22:08 Speaker 1: Okay eighty seven.

22:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, So we started playing around there and did pretty

22:13 Speaker 3: well put out a record. Uh we were. We ended

22:17 Speaker 3: up playing a show with Nirvana, no kids, playing a

22:20 Speaker 3: show with the Google Dolls. We ended up playing with

22:22 Speaker 3: a couple of you know, dands like Alice Donut and

22:25 Speaker 3: Primus and Mister Bungle, And I mean we were going

22:29 Speaker 3: up and down the West coast, playing from La to Seattle,

22:32 Speaker 3: doing that whole thing.

22:33 Speaker 1: Yeah.

22:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh you could you know, it's still a

22:36 Speaker 3: copy a couple of copies of that record floating around somewhere.

22:39 Speaker 3: I'm sure you could find it on eBay or discogs

22:42 Speaker 3: or something like that. Yeah, but uh, it got to

22:46 Speaker 3: the point where that just wasn't fun anymore, did it?

22:50 Speaker 1: What did it become more like work? It did?

22:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it became you know, it's a grind.

22:55 Speaker 5: I mean people think, you know, people think, oh, you

22:57 Speaker 5: go on tour and oh my god, it's just uh wine.

23:00 Speaker 5: Women in Song is like.

23:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, and beyond that, there's just sort of the emotional

23:08 Speaker 3: aspect to it as well. You know, I've a I've

23:11 Speaker 3: come to understand on the deeply personal level that comparison

23:16 Speaker 3: is the thief of George. And at that point in

23:21 Speaker 3: my life as a young person, You're all about am

23:24 Speaker 3: I doing? Am I? Am I? Is it successful? Is

23:27 Speaker 3: it going to be successful? What?

23:28 Speaker 1: Am I?

23:28 Speaker 7: You know?

23:28 Speaker 3: I mean, it's all about that competition. And one day

23:32 Speaker 3: we had booked the show and we were going to

23:34 Speaker 3: open for Helmet at the Kennel Club, which was, you know,

23:37 Speaker 3: a club in San Francisco at the time on the

23:39 Speaker 3: Visadero Street. And the guy we had played there a

23:42 Speaker 3: couple of times in the show's great and the club

23:45 Speaker 3: owner called me back a couple of weeks before the

23:47 Speaker 3: show and he said, you know what, you guys are

23:49 Speaker 3: off the show? Why? He said, well, you know, we

23:52 Speaker 3: got to call. Helmet was on amphetamine Reptile at that time,

23:54 Speaker 3: before they had gotten big huge, and he said, you know,

23:57 Speaker 3: the label called and they said we can't get Helmet,

23:59 Speaker 3: and we take these two other acts promote as well. Sorry,

24:04 Speaker 3: And that was it. I could just feel something just snapped.

24:08 Speaker 3: You know what, I'm done, This is it. I just

24:12 Speaker 3: can't do this anymore. Yeah, So I went back. I

24:16 Speaker 3: left San Francisco. I went back to school, and uh.

24:19 Speaker 1: Did you go back to Berkeley or No.

24:21 Speaker 3: I went to went to or and I went to

24:22 Speaker 3: Umaie and became a journalist.

24:26 Speaker 1: Reporter.

24:26 Speaker 3: I was a reporter for a long time, reporter, columnist,

24:30 Speaker 3: and an editor. Made my way back to San Francisco,

24:33 Speaker 3: where I actually covered city hall politics in San Francisco

24:37 Speaker 3: for for quite a while. And what's fascinating to me

24:40 Speaker 3: is that the folks who were merging into the national

24:42 Speaker 3: power structure now Gavin Newsom, who was the governor, Kamala Harris,

24:46 Speaker 3: these were the folks who were holding local offices when

24:49 Speaker 3: I was covering Oh wow, city hall. I remember when

24:52 Speaker 3: Gavin was appointed to the city council by Willie Brown,

24:55 Speaker 3: a good friend of mine was Commala's chief of staff

24:57 Speaker 3: when she was the district attorney. So you know, I

25:00 Speaker 3: did that for a very long time. Yeah, and uh wow,

25:03 Speaker 3: the background of print journalism.

25:05 Speaker 1: Oh wow.

25:06 Speaker 3: And got married, raise kids and just sort of set

25:09 Speaker 3: the music things aside for a while to yeah, concentrate

25:13 Speaker 3: on journalism and raising.

25:16 Speaker 1: My family and yeah, you know, wow.

25:19 Speaker 3: When the pandemic rolled around again, though, the opportunity presented

25:24 Speaker 3: itself to get back into some of the music. Yeah

25:28 Speaker 3: so I did. Yeah, yeah, you know, three and a half,

25:32 Speaker 3: four years into it. It just keeps rolling, which is

25:35 Speaker 3: you know, yep, I'm thankful for that every day.

25:38 Speaker 5: Yeah, excellent, excellent. We should uh, well, let's play another track. Sure,

25:43 Speaker 5: I'll I'll let you pick. Uh.

25:45 Speaker 3: Well, you know, there's like, there's four songs on this record.

25:47 Speaker 3: The uh there's the there's one called slip the Leash,

25:51 Speaker 3: which really speaks to sort of my love hate relationship

25:56 Speaker 3: with technology. Oh okay, in a minute and a half, uh,

26:00 Speaker 3: very short, which mix should we go with? Well, you know,

26:03 Speaker 3: let's let's do the Let's do the Monoco mix and

26:05 Speaker 3: then talk about the you know, because I like to

26:07 Speaker 3: remix tunes and we've done that with something.

26:13 Speaker 1: Right, right, Okay, So we'll play the.

26:14 Speaker 3: Monaco Monica being the studio where we recorded it, which

26:17 Speaker 3: is why.

26:17 Speaker 5: It's yeah yeah, yeah, and uh yeah, great, great sound

26:21 Speaker 5: coming out of there.

26:22 Speaker 3: Fantastic studio. Sam Monico, who was the host of the

26:25 Speaker 3: Locomotive Show on w MPG. Oh okay to Portland is

26:29 Speaker 3: a fantastic support of the local music scene, and it's

26:34 Speaker 3: just a great guy and that studio is remarkable.

26:38 Speaker 5: Okay, let's give this a listen. So, uh, this is

26:41 Speaker 5: called whoops out there. It is Slip the Leash, the

26:45 Speaker 5: Monico mix and play Dad, check this out.

27:00 Speaker 3: Have mine, but I need it for work.

27:05 Speaker 2: I need it for work.

27:09 Speaker 3: We've all got lap office.

27:11 Speaker 7: That's how we all in the world today.

27:16 Speaker 3: That's how we connect.

27:19 Speaker 4: At least that's what they say.

27:24 Speaker 3: I live near the airport, right under the flight path.

27:31 Speaker 7: I hear the engines and I see the planes.

27:37 Speaker 3: Take the kids to the airport. We'll get the flights.

27:43 Speaker 7: We talk move about where we might go start a

27:47 Speaker 7: new life.

27:51 Speaker 2: We've all got smartphones and a wish to Christ.

27:55 Speaker 3: I didn't even have mine, but I need it for work.

28:05 Speaker 1: That is Slip the Leash. That is a Plague Dad.

28:09 Speaker 5: We have Frank Gallagher of Plague Dad here with us

28:11 Speaker 5: alive in studio.

28:12 Speaker 1: That.

28:13 Speaker 5: Uh, that song in particular, I think is relatable in

28:16 Speaker 5: that Uh. I think probably a lot of people feel that.

28:19 Speaker 1: Well.

28:19 Speaker 5: I shouldn't even say probably, I know a lot of

28:21 Speaker 5: people feel that way, because, uh, people talk about it

28:24 Speaker 5: all the time on on Facebook. You'll you'll see and

28:27 Speaker 5: hear people. Well, I shouldn't say you'll hear, but you'll

28:29 Speaker 5: see people talking about in post you know, I hate.

28:32 Speaker 1: Uh, I hate all this technology.

28:33 Speaker 3: Well it's funny. I mean this is of one company

28:36 Speaker 3: now has made at the centerpiece of their new ad campaigns,

28:38 Speaker 3: the ads featuring Atlantis Morset. Yeah, are talking about how

28:42 Speaker 3: we all have to use our phone people. Is this

28:44 Speaker 3: sort of this love hate relationship with technology. And it's

28:47 Speaker 3: fascinating to me from a cultural and a personal perspective,

28:51 Speaker 3: because you know, the promise of the internet was that

28:53 Speaker 3: it would create community and that it would bring us

28:55 Speaker 3: all together, right, and in some ways it absolutely has

28:58 Speaker 3: done that, But in any other ways it has done

29:02 Speaker 3: exactly the opposite. Has fractured communities, it has destroyed communities,

29:08 Speaker 3: and it has very much provided people, you know, this

29:12 Speaker 3: illusion of community when really they're just in their own

29:17 Speaker 3: cocoon with that with that phone, and they interact and

29:21 Speaker 3: people I shouldn't. I don't say they. I'm as guilty

29:23 Speaker 3: of it as anybody. But we interact these days through

29:27 Speaker 3: a screen as opposed to intentionally and personally, which is

29:38 Speaker 3: it is what it is. We we make our own

29:40 Speaker 3: decisions about how we deal with that.

29:42 Speaker 5: I think, yeah, And people say things to online that

29:47 Speaker 5: they would never say in person, you know, and and

29:50 Speaker 5: the way people treat each other online. I mean, you know, yeah,

29:53 Speaker 5: like some of the things that have been said to

29:55 Speaker 5: me online. It's like, you know, sometimes I think, you know,

29:58 Speaker 5: I'm not a violent person by any and I'm no

30:00 Speaker 5: tough guy, but if this person said that to me

30:02 Speaker 5: in real life to my face, I probably punched them.

30:04 Speaker 3: Absolutely.

30:06 Speaker 1: Yeah.

30:06 Speaker 3: No. The facade of anonymity that that we either believe

30:13 Speaker 3: in or you know, construct is yeah, it allows that

30:17 Speaker 3: to happen and encourages.

30:18 Speaker 5: That yeah, yeah, time courage, yeah yeah. And I also

30:23 Speaker 5: hear people say too, you know, well, like you so

30:25 Speaker 5: you you stepped away from Facebook, absolutely, and from a

30:29 Speaker 5: mental health perspective, you're probably a lot better off. But

30:34 Speaker 5: at the same time, it's like, you know, because we

30:35 Speaker 5: were kind of talking off there about how at the

30:37 Speaker 5: you know, it does, but it does put certain constraints

30:40 Speaker 5: on you in terms of promoting what you're doing.

30:43 Speaker 3: No question, I'm read I will reach fewer people because

30:46 Speaker 3: I'm not on Facebook. Yeah, But in the balance, if

30:49 Speaker 3: you make a list of the upsides and the downsides,

30:53 Speaker 3: upsides of beating off of Facebook vastly outweigh the downsides.

30:58 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, see, I doing this radio show and everything,

31:01 Speaker 5: there's no way I can oh, yeah, you know, like

31:03 Speaker 5: I'm I'm locked in. But I but I don't, you know,

31:07 Speaker 5: I don't engage much in terms of you know, like

31:11 Speaker 5: the way that I use it. You know, I'll share

31:12 Speaker 5: out things related to the show or promote other things

31:16 Speaker 5: that I'm doing, and I use it for my hypnotherapy

31:18 Speaker 5: practice and all this, you know, is to let people

31:21 Speaker 5: know what I'm doing. But and sometimes I'll I'll post,

31:24 Speaker 5: especially in the last couple of years, I'll post things

31:26 Speaker 5: that might be more personal or that I just think

31:28 Speaker 5: are funny. But when when people start commenting, if because

31:33 Speaker 5: the thing is too We live in a in a

31:35 Speaker 5: time when you don't have to be you don't have

31:39 Speaker 5: to be even remotely. Like I posted something recently about

31:45 Speaker 5: about getting vaccinated, and you know, i'd gone to write

31:49 Speaker 5: eight and you know, got my flu shot COVID booster

31:52 Speaker 5: and so of course and I just posted something funny

31:55 Speaker 5: about it. How you know, the pharmacist said, you know,

31:57 Speaker 5: go sit down and for fifteen minutes, and then you know,

32:00 Speaker 5: as soon as he's not looking, I sneak out.

32:03 Speaker 1: You know, because you know, it's not my first time

32:04 Speaker 1: with it.

32:04 Speaker 5: I know, you know, I am gonna have a side effect,

32:08 Speaker 5: but it's gonna be later when I'm exhausted.

32:10 Speaker 1: But of course, you know, so.

32:11 Speaker 5: I just post something like that because I think it's funny,

32:13 Speaker 5: and of course, you know, anti vaxxers and everybody's may

32:17 Speaker 5: make it a totally political thread. But what I do

32:21 Speaker 5: is I don't engage because because I just I don't

32:26 Speaker 5: argue about politics or anything. I just I don't argue

32:29 Speaker 5: with people on social media. I refuse to. I find

32:32 Speaker 5: it both just unenduringly just it's it's so tedious and

32:38 Speaker 5: it's entirely pointless, and and uh so I just I

32:43 Speaker 5: actually learned to kind of enjoy when that happens, because

32:48 Speaker 5: people start posting all this mean, angry stuff at me

32:51 Speaker 5: over what I thought was just a funny post.

32:54 Speaker 1: But instead of.

32:55 Speaker 5: Engaging, I actually take pleasure in not engaging, knowing that

33:01 Speaker 5: it's making them crazy that I'm not engaging, because they

33:05 Speaker 5: want me to argue with them, right right, and uh

33:08 Speaker 5: they want me to fight with them, and I'm not

33:10 Speaker 5: doing it, and I know it bothers them indeed. Well, yeah,

33:14 Speaker 5: and I absolutely get get a laugh out of knowing

33:16 Speaker 5: that it bothers you.

33:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, there's there's a lot to be said for that. Yeah,

33:20 Speaker 3: it's just yeah, emotionally, I just like I said, emotionally,

33:23 Speaker 3: intellectually just didn't have the bandwidth. Yeah for it. Again,

33:28 Speaker 3: it's do I want to give an hour to these

33:32 Speaker 3: people and Mark Zuckerberg or do I want to spend

33:35 Speaker 3: an hour in a meaningful time that you know sparks joy?

33:39 Speaker 1: Yeah?

33:39 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, exactly choose joy choose absolutely absolutely.

33:49 Speaker 5: Well no, no, So let me ask you this, So,

33:51 Speaker 5: how how have you because you know, as we discussed,

33:55 Speaker 5: I mean, you're having some success. You know, Cops on

33:57 Speaker 5: Acid is catching on and and you know you're you're

34:00 Speaker 5: selling your music.

34:02 Speaker 1: What because a lot of a lot of people.

34:04 Speaker 5: In the industry listen to the show, A lot of

34:06 Speaker 5: a lot of musicians listen to the show. Like what

34:08 Speaker 5: advice do you have for for anyone who maybe doesn't

34:11 Speaker 5: want to have to do? You know you utilize Facebook? Like,

34:15 Speaker 5: how are you what is your approach? How are you

34:17 Speaker 5: doing this?

34:18 Speaker 3: Play as many live shows as you can.

34:21 Speaker 2: Ye.

34:22 Speaker 3: Music is all about being heard. Yeah, it's you know,

34:26 Speaker 3: it's like that old if tree falls in the forest

34:29 Speaker 3: and nobody hears it? Does it happen right? Well? You know?

34:32 Speaker 3: I mean, if you write a song and nobody hears it,

34:34 Speaker 3: did it get written? Go out and play shows? Yeah,

34:39 Speaker 3: go to open mics, go play wherever you can. You

34:42 Speaker 3: know when I when when this project first started to

34:46 Speaker 3: come together and seemed as if it would have legs,

34:49 Speaker 3: we couldn't play shows that there was no place to

34:52 Speaker 3: physically get a get a gig because the pandemic had

34:54 Speaker 3: taken care of everything was shut down. So I literally

34:57 Speaker 3: went out into the streets and played started busking. I

35:01 Speaker 3: absolutely and I still do it. I love it. I

35:05 Speaker 3: go as often as I can if I don't have

35:07 Speaker 3: If I'm in Portland and at home and I don't

35:09 Speaker 3: have a show on a Friday or Saturday night, you

35:12 Speaker 3: will typically find me down in the Old Port between

35:14 Speaker 3: six and nine playing music.

35:16 Speaker 1: Kid.

35:17 Speaker 3: Absolutely. I use what's called an AMP that is a

35:21 Speaker 3: rolling tube street. This thing runs on batteries. Yeah, it

35:24 Speaker 3: runs on eight double a's and it runs for six

35:26 Speaker 3: hours on eight double as pushes fifty watts. It has

35:29 Speaker 3: three channels. I can run my guitar and my vocals

35:32 Speaker 3: and my little foot drum through it. And I will

35:35 Speaker 3: just go play for three hours. And I've met some

35:39 Speaker 3: amazing musicians just just doing that, and people will gather around,

35:44 Speaker 3: and you know, I'll bring a crowd, you know, and

35:47 Speaker 3: that I love busking because you will know immediately what

35:51 Speaker 3: works and what doesn't. Yes, you know, if people stop

35:54 Speaker 3: and are listening, then you're doing something right. If people

35:58 Speaker 3: are walking by, you know, I'm and I the thing

36:03 Speaker 3: I'm looking for, reaction. You know, what works, what doesn't work,

36:06 Speaker 3: what makes people happy, what pisses people off. The worst

36:10 Speaker 3: thing in my mind is ambivalents. That's what drives me nuts.

36:14 Speaker 3: Hate being ignored. And maybe that's a personal thing, and

36:18 Speaker 3: I fully cop to it. You know, call me attention

36:21 Speaker 3: or whatever. No I think, so I don't if you

36:25 Speaker 3: hate it, you know, but a reaction is what I'm

36:28 Speaker 3: looking for and busking provides that immediate feedback. And beyond that,

36:35 Speaker 3: you know, part of being a musician is learning how

36:40 Speaker 3: to perform and make no mistake. That is a skill

36:43 Speaker 3: set that is separate and apart from learning your skills

36:46 Speaker 3: and your modes and how to solo and how to improvise.

36:49 Speaker 3: And you know that's there's an element of showmanship that

36:53 Speaker 3: you need to develop, and the only way to do

36:56 Speaker 3: that is to get out there on the stage and

36:58 Speaker 3: play in front of people. And so I'm thankfully I'm

37:01 Speaker 3: fortunate enough at this point where I'm I'm actually getting

37:04 Speaker 3: a lot of shows indoors. But if I, like I say,

37:07 Speaker 3: if I genuinely love busking because I don't have to

37:11 Speaker 3: be there at eight fifteen, I don't have to load

37:13 Speaker 3: in at eight twenty five, I don't have to play

37:16 Speaker 3: twenty two minutes. You know, I don't have to I

37:19 Speaker 3: can play whatever a damn well please, I can play

37:21 Speaker 3: the same song four times if I want, Yeah, you know,

37:23 Speaker 3: and I use that to go workshop new material. Okay,

37:26 Speaker 3: and you know some of these songs that we're playing

37:28 Speaker 3: today have evolved dramatically out there on the pitch. Yeah,

37:33 Speaker 3: is what does buskers call where we play?

37:35 Speaker 1: Okay? I didn't know. I didn't know that. I've heard

37:37 Speaker 1: that phrase. Okay, okay, and.

37:39 Speaker 3: It's uh so I'm you know, if it's warm tonight,

37:43 Speaker 3: I may actually go out, yeah, because you know, I

37:46 Speaker 3: have some shows coming up next three weekends. But I'm

37:50 Speaker 3: actually off tonight, so I may be out.

37:53 Speaker 1: There in Portland.

37:54 Speaker 5: I'm just curious, do you need any kind of a

37:56 Speaker 5: permit or anything, or do they just let you do

37:58 Speaker 5: it or you.

37:59 Speaker 3: Know, you're My understanding is that you're supposed to have

38:05 Speaker 3: some sort of permit if you're amplified, and I often

38:08 Speaker 3: am amplified. That said, I've never had somebody stop me

38:14 Speaker 3: and ask me for that permit. And I'm Dan in

38:17 Speaker 3: the old port where you know, on a Friday or

38:19 Speaker 3: Saturday night where there is a police presence, and those

38:22 Speaker 3: officers down there have actually come to know me because

38:26 Speaker 3: I'm there frequently and like what I do because they know.

38:30 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a sort of a known commodity and

38:34 Speaker 3: I've so I haven't had that problem yet. That said,

38:38 Speaker 3: I've heard from some other buskers in Portland that they've

38:42 Speaker 3: had some some run ins some uh you know, some

38:46 Speaker 3: of the compliance staff. But every town is different. Like

38:51 Speaker 3: in in Boston you don't need a permit across the

38:53 Speaker 3: river and Cambridge you do. Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely so really,

38:57 Speaker 3: I mean, if it's something that you're wanting, if you're

39:00 Speaker 3: a musician, it is something you want to try, hey

39:02 Speaker 3: do it absolutely because it's just fantastic experience. It's it's

39:07 Speaker 3: so much fun. But look check into it. You know,

39:10 Speaker 3: make some calls, do the research, sure, figure it out.

39:12 Speaker 1: Sure.

39:13 Speaker 5: And I don't even know what the I don't know

39:16 Speaker 5: what the laws are on that or rules are here

39:19 Speaker 5: in Manchester. You know.

39:20 Speaker 3: It's funny you say that to you, because I was

39:22 Speaker 3: coming in this morning and coming over the bridge and

39:24 Speaker 3: then wow, I bet I could.

39:26 Speaker 1: Yeah.

39:27 Speaker 3: It's like whenever I come into it town, that's my

39:28 Speaker 3: first thing. It's like, there's the pitch, Where would be

39:31 Speaker 3: the best pitch?

39:32 Speaker 5: Yeah, because I see them on Elm Street. But not much,

39:35 Speaker 5: actually not as much as I used to. It seems like,

39:37 Speaker 5: so I don't know, I have no idea what the

39:39 Speaker 5: what the rule is. But was that when you first

39:43 Speaker 5: started doing that?

39:44 Speaker 1: Was it? Was it intimidating at first?

39:47 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yaaah? But you have to you know,

39:51 Speaker 3: there's a couple of things going on. I'm at the

39:53 Speaker 3: point in my life now where I just don't care

39:55 Speaker 3: what people think anymore. I'm just beyond that, you know,

39:58 Speaker 3: I really don't.

39:59 Speaker 1: And that's one of the few good things about getting older.

40:02 Speaker 1: You did it.

40:03 Speaker 5: It's a short list, but as you get older, you

40:05 Speaker 5: just naturally become less self conscious.

40:07 Speaker 1: It's more like, you know who cares what people think exactly.

40:11 Speaker 3: Beyond that, it's people you're not You're not hurting anybody,

40:17 Speaker 3: you know, you know, just people can ignore it if

40:20 Speaker 3: they want, you know, right. So it's it's as long

40:23 Speaker 3: as you're not blocking the sidewalk. That seems to be

40:26 Speaker 3: the you know, you don't want to cause anybody any problems.

40:29 Speaker 3: But if you're just out there doing your thing, you know. Yeah, Now, man,

40:34 Speaker 3: I'm a ham. Yeah, you got to work to shut

40:38 Speaker 3: me up now.

40:41 Speaker 1: In the uh, you know what about in the winter,

40:43 Speaker 1: do you?

40:43 Speaker 5: I mean, is there anywhere where you can do that indoors,

40:46 Speaker 5: like in a mall or well.

40:47 Speaker 3: You know, it's it's it's it's funny. I don't know

40:49 Speaker 3: about the mall, but like last winter. Uh, there's a

40:53 Speaker 3: there's a a pub in Portland called bram Hall which

40:57 Speaker 3: is on Congress Street and I just walked in there

41:01 Speaker 3: one night. A guy behind the bar had to be

41:04 Speaker 3: the manager. I said, hey, how about you just let

41:05 Speaker 3: me play here every Thursday night? And he's like, what

41:08 Speaker 3: do you mean? And I said, well, here's what I

41:10 Speaker 3: explained to him. You know what's going on? I said,

41:13 Speaker 3: I'm getting too cold and your places to play? Yeah,

41:16 Speaker 3: I said, you know, to pay me, and there's no amplifications,

41:18 Speaker 3: just me and my acoustic guitar and my drum. So

41:21 Speaker 3: there's no laws about entertainment, there's no permits or anything

41:25 Speaker 3: like that. How about you just let me roll in

41:27 Speaker 3: here with my tip Jart Thursday night. Yeah, on Thursday

41:30 Speaker 3: nights and play and if people are digging it, fantastic.

41:34 Speaker 3: If they're not, I'll move along. And he's like, yeah,

41:39 Speaker 3: all right. And I did that for six months.

41:42 Speaker 6: Yeah.

41:42 Speaker 3: It actually turned out really really and it got to

41:45 Speaker 3: be a thing. I mean, if people start to hear

41:47 Speaker 3: about this, if you're any good, I mean, that's why

41:50 Speaker 3: I encourage people to play live. If you're any good,

41:53 Speaker 3: you will find traction because people like live music. If

41:58 Speaker 3: you suck, maybe not so much, you know, because but

42:02 Speaker 3: I was fortunate enough that people would would come around,

42:05 Speaker 3: and people will come back. There were regulars, they'd come in,

42:08 Speaker 3: you know, because they knew what was going on and

42:10 Speaker 3: they people like live music. So I would start to

42:13 Speaker 3: have friends come by, and you know, people other other

42:17 Speaker 3: musicians that I know from around town, sit in, do

42:20 Speaker 3: a couple of tunes. You know. It got to become

42:23 Speaker 3: a thing, and it was actually pretty cool. And then

42:25 Speaker 3: the plays change ownership and the new manager came in.

42:29 Speaker 3: It's just the vibe wasn't the same really, and I

42:31 Speaker 3: was like, yeah, okay, this was played so yeah yeah.

42:35 Speaker 5: But I mean, I think the broader point, though it

42:38 Speaker 5: sounds like that you're making, is it's it's so important

42:40 Speaker 5: to build.

42:40 Speaker 3: A relationship, absolutely, and that's the currency.

42:43 Speaker 5: You know, so you you can get around Facebook, oh yeah,

42:46 Speaker 5: you know, or other forms of uh, but.

42:49 Speaker 3: Play live and when if you're a young musician or

42:54 Speaker 3: a musician who's young in your career and you're just

42:56 Speaker 3: starting out, play as many shows as you can and

43:00 Speaker 3: stay for the other bands. Yeah, listen to those other

43:03 Speaker 3: bands and talk with those other bands and create and

43:07 Speaker 3: nurture those relationships, because that's how you find your audience,

43:14 Speaker 3: and that's how you develop your audience, and that's how

43:16 Speaker 3: you grow your audience. I mean, you can have ten

43:19 Speaker 3: thousand followers on Instagram, but if you can't put twelve

43:22 Speaker 3: people into a club, does that have any meaning? Does

43:26 Speaker 3: that any value?

43:27 Speaker 1: Yeah?

43:27 Speaker 3: What are you know?

43:28 Speaker 1: Good? Yeah?

43:29 Speaker 5: No, that's a great point and an important one because

43:32 Speaker 5: of the club or the bar or the venue, you know,

43:33 Speaker 5: they the promoter they don't.

43:35 Speaker 1: It's you know, they're impressed if you.

43:38 Speaker 5: Have a lot of Instagram followers, but what they really

43:42 Speaker 5: care about is how many of them are going to show.

43:44 Speaker 3: Up exactly exactly. Yeah. Yeah, So now you know, it's

43:50 Speaker 3: getting to be I'm looking around and again I'm thinking, well,

43:52 Speaker 3: maybe I need to find another brand Hale, because it's

43:55 Speaker 3: getting colder. And that said, I also just need to

43:59 Speaker 3: take some time. I've been playing so many shows and

44:01 Speaker 3: touring and I think you know, this past summer I

44:03 Speaker 3: played probably seventy.

44:04 Speaker 1: Five eighty shows, no kidding, wow, it.

44:07 Speaker 3: Which is fantastic. I love it. Yeah, I'm not complaining.

44:10 Speaker 3: What I'm saying is I have about twelve to fifteen

44:13 Speaker 3: songs of a disturbing amount of songs that are half done.

44:16 Speaker 1: Okay, I really.

44:17 Speaker 3: Just need to finish, you know, So maybe I take

44:20 Speaker 3: six or eight weeks and just take it down a

44:23 Speaker 3: notch and finish those songs.

44:25 Speaker 1: And you know, and when you play live, is it

44:28 Speaker 1: always just you? Do you ever have guest musicians.

44:30 Speaker 3: Or I you know, I do. I will play with

44:33 Speaker 3: I look at the show, at what the venue is

44:36 Speaker 3: and who I'm playing with, and pull together if it's

44:40 Speaker 3: a tour, it's probably gonna be me sol yeah, because

44:42 Speaker 3: the cost musically these days, and you know, the business

44:46 Speaker 3: of the music business is so fundamentally broken now that

44:50 Speaker 3: a touring band is very difficult to pull off.

44:54 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I.

44:55 Speaker 3: Mean you're gonna a they're gonna low ball you on

44:57 Speaker 3: the gate, you're not gonna get if you get paid,

44:59 Speaker 3: You're gonna take a cutting and birch ye at. You know.

45:01 Speaker 3: I mean there's just this. You can't do it. It's

45:06 Speaker 3: very difficult, right, So off, when I go on tour,

45:08 Speaker 3: I'm solo. When I'm playing locally or you know, regionally,

45:13 Speaker 3: I will pull together a band. You know. I played

45:17 Speaker 3: a show at Ginos the other night with the band

45:19 Speaker 3: called Euphemia, who, for my money, is the best local

45:22 Speaker 3: band in Portland right now. These guys are fantastic. Oh god,

45:26 Speaker 3: their new record self released. It was It's been the

45:29 Speaker 3: number one local record at Bull Moose now for a

45:33 Speaker 3: long time. These guys are amazing.

45:36 Speaker 1: Okay.

45:36 Speaker 3: So I opened for them at at Geno's and I

45:39 Speaker 3: pulled together the punk rock trio for that.

45:41 Speaker 1: You know.

45:41 Speaker 3: I had Dan Capaldi played drums and a guy named

45:44 Speaker 3: Mike Berkowitz who plays bass with a couple of jazz

45:47 Speaker 3: bands around town, sat in on bass and you know,

45:50 Speaker 3: and we just ripped it for half an hour, man

45:55 Speaker 3: together a thirty minute set that you know, when I

45:58 Speaker 3: go busk, now I have I'll play for three hours

46:00 Speaker 3: at a time. I mean, I know a hundred songs, yeah,

46:03 Speaker 3: you know, a bunch of covers and a bunch of

46:05 Speaker 3: my stuff, and I'll weave that together and sort of

46:08 Speaker 3: pull a set together in the moment based on what's working.

46:10 Speaker 3: You sort of read the room. But when I do

46:12 Speaker 3: a club gig, it's thirty minutes of unrestrained mayhem because

46:17 Speaker 3: I know what works, because I've put that time in

46:20 Speaker 3: and I've road tested this material, and I can put

46:24 Speaker 3: together a set list that will it's contourt, that is

46:28 Speaker 3: just relentless and it rips. And that's what we did

46:32 Speaker 3: and the hell of a show. Yeah, I really enjoy

46:35 Speaker 3: those kind of gigs. There's a lot to be said

46:37 Speaker 3: for those you know busking aside this. You know, coming

46:40 Speaker 3: in and doing a set like that, that's that powerful

46:45 Speaker 3: and you know, at the end of it, people were

46:46 Speaker 3: just cheering. I mean, because I do have that element

46:50 Speaker 3: of showmanship that you know, I'm i enjoy that. That's

46:53 Speaker 3: part of being on stage. It's got to be you know,

46:57 Speaker 3: you have to leave leave it all out there. Man.

46:59 Speaker 3: You know, these people are paying good money for a show.

47:02 Speaker 3: I'm gonna make sure they get what they came for. Yeah,

47:04 Speaker 3: you know yeah, speaking of paying good money, I mean, yeah,

47:09 Speaker 3: I went to a club the other night. I couldn't

47:12 Speaker 3: twenty dollars cover charts. Yeah, that was just to get

47:15 Speaker 3: into the door. Twenty bucks in Portland. Yeah yeah, and

47:18 Speaker 3: that's it was worth it because there were five bands

47:20 Speaker 3: on the bill. But that's a lot of dope.

47:23 Speaker 1: Sure, you know.

47:24 Speaker 5: Yeah where we are yeah, yea these days yeah absolutely, yeah.

47:28 Speaker 5: I mean there's there's major touring acts that have canceled yeah,

47:31 Speaker 5: oh yeah, canceled tours because they can't afford to do it,

47:35 Speaker 5: you know. And and Live Nation has things loted down.

47:39 Speaker 3: Their predatory Live Nation I just have.

47:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've we've talked about that a lot on the show. Yeah.

47:46 Speaker 5: Absolutely. I think they're getting sued again. Good they lose, yeah,

47:52 Speaker 5: no kidding, uh yeah, no, these these monopolies.

47:56 Speaker 1: Let's play another track.

47:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, let's play one off. I call the Mayhem Mix,

48:01 Speaker 3: which is so for this is an interesting story behind

48:04 Speaker 3: these these So I took the songs around this record

48:07 Speaker 3: and I gave him to a friend of mine named

48:08 Speaker 3: Chuck Gonzalez out in San Francisco, who was again another

48:11 Speaker 3: very talented engineer, And I said, Chuck, go nuts. Yeah,

48:17 Speaker 3: just play with it, have fun. And his sound and

48:21 Speaker 3: his approach is very different than Dance who did the

48:24 Speaker 3: initial mix, So he gave it this sort of psychedelic edge,

48:27 Speaker 3: and uh, you know, for for example, there's a guy

48:30 Speaker 3: named New York Mike who's a DJ on w MPG,

48:33 Speaker 3: and he plays the Psychedelic Show and he didn't like

48:36 Speaker 3: that Monico mix. But hell out of the of the Mayhem.

48:39 Speaker 3: Oh okay, so okay, you know it does have a

48:42 Speaker 3: very different feel. Which track, Well, let's play you know what,

48:47 Speaker 3: play play this this the Cops, the may the Mayhem

48:50 Speaker 3: mix the Cops, because that's a it's got a whole

48:53 Speaker 3: different vibe to it.

48:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're at you know, it's funny too.

48:56 Speaker 5: That's the first one I listened to when I listened

48:58 Speaker 5: to the tracks that you sent me was was that

49:01 Speaker 5: mix of yeah, Cops on Acid? Yeah, all right, check

49:04 Speaker 5: this out. This is the mayn mix of Cops on Acid.

49:07 Speaker 5: And this is a Plague Dad.

49:27 Speaker 2: Dot com today.

49:32 Speaker 4: He's listening Rat Dan, We're the rest of the day.

49:40 Speaker 2: I wonder what this man.

49:47 Speaker 7: Acid Cockbowl n LSD.

49:55 Speaker 2: Copone said, comball outst it's a comedy. He was listening

50:25 Speaker 2: due Great Dead.

50:28 Speaker 4: Said hey man, what show was that?

50:32 Speaker 2: Said?

50:33 Speaker 7: Shoot?

50:33 Speaker 1: Answer then shot.

50:35 Speaker 4: My dog.

50:38 Speaker 2: That comeball the last got comball the listening.

50:59 Speaker 5: That is the Mayhem mix of Cops on Acid by

51:03 Speaker 5: Plague Dad. Mister Frank Gallagher here with us alive in studio.

51:07 Speaker 5: No dogs were harmed in the in the actual one, yes, yes,

51:11 Speaker 5: but uh no, that is that is very cool, Frank,

51:15 Speaker 5: this has been wonderful. Thank you so much for joining

51:17 Speaker 5: us this morning.

51:17 Speaker 1: Pleasure.

51:18 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. I really enjoy radio.

51:23 Speaker 3: It's a medium that I keep turning back to because,

51:27 Speaker 3: particularly community stations and college stations. I like to hear

51:33 Speaker 3: what the DJs you have to say and what they

51:35 Speaker 3: what they play. I mean, the algorithm is fine, but

51:38 Speaker 3: I I have heard so much and been turned on

51:41 Speaker 3: to so much cool new music by listening to college

51:45 Speaker 3: DJs or community station.

51:47 Speaker 5: That I'll mention this briefly. My uh my, my father

51:54 Speaker 5: who listens to the show hi, dad, if you're listening.

51:56 Speaker 5: So he he lives on the sea coast here in

51:58 Speaker 5: New Hampshire, and he's an a seventies And I only

52:00 Speaker 5: mentioned that because you know, most people geez, I don't know.

52:03 Speaker 5: By the time they get to be thirty or forty,

52:05 Speaker 5: they kind of just say, Okay, I've heard all the

52:07 Speaker 5: music I'm ever interested in, and I'm not going to

52:09 Speaker 5: like anything that I anything new that I hear from

52:11 Speaker 5: this point forward.

52:12 Speaker 1: Right.

52:12 Speaker 5: My dad is the opposite of that. He still loves

52:16 Speaker 5: new music. He's always been like that. Like you'd never like,

52:19 Speaker 5: if you got into a car with my dad, you're

52:20 Speaker 5: not gonna hear the oldiest station coming out of the stereo,

52:22 Speaker 5: right right. And he so he lives on the seacoast

52:25 Speaker 5: and he loves listening to wunh oh fantastic because he

52:28 Speaker 5: loves hearing new music, and he loves college radio.

52:31 Speaker 3: Yep, yep, no it's great, Yeah it really is. And

52:34 Speaker 3: you know to that, And yes, I do this, plagu dad.

52:37 Speaker 3: But I also run a little blog in town called

52:39 Speaker 3: that Portland Sound Oh really, where I try to bring

52:44 Speaker 3: some attention to bands that I like. Yeah, so I'll

52:47 Speaker 3: just write up little pieces about the bands that I like,

52:49 Speaker 3: and I'll put that out there. Oh and you know,

52:52 Speaker 3: I was a reporter for a long time, so.

52:53 Speaker 4: I write, Oh, I totally want to read this.

52:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's I update it infrequently. I'm thinking, I

53:00 Speaker 3: really need to start making that more of a regular thing.

53:03 Speaker 3: And I'm actually toying with the idea of making it

53:05 Speaker 3: a print thing. You know, really remember the old school

53:08 Speaker 3: with zines. I'm gonna make this into a ze.

53:11 Speaker 1: We have here, we have a paper jam magazine. Yeah,

53:13 Speaker 1: we've had them on the show. Yeah.

53:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna do that with this. There is a

53:17 Speaker 3: market for it, and I'm gonna you know, I've started,

53:19 Speaker 3: I've costed it out. I'm gonna rent up two hundred

53:22 Speaker 3: and fifty copies, probably twenty four pages, and I'm going

53:25 Speaker 3: to put together a compilation CD and just glue it

53:29 Speaker 3: into the back page awesome, and just drop it around town. Yeah,

53:33 Speaker 3: you know, so theyough like, you'll find ten copies in

53:35 Speaker 3: a cafe, You'll find ten copies of Geno's, You'll find

53:38 Speaker 3: ten copies of Hi Fi in in Portland, which is

53:41 Speaker 3: one of my other favorite venues. That place is fantastic.

53:43 Speaker 1: Oh I love it.

53:44 Speaker 3: That's so yeah, I'm gonna start doing that as well.

53:47 Speaker 5: Fantastic, fantastic, And of course the website is plagued bleg

53:51 Speaker 5: dot dad, bleg.

53:52 Speaker 3: Dot Dad dot Dad. And I'm on band camp as

53:54 Speaker 3: well if you want, you know, and you can buy

53:56 Speaker 3: the records there. I have other merch I have T

53:58 Speaker 3: shirts and bandanas. Lot of stuff is sold out, which

54:01 Speaker 3: is crazy. I gotta I gotta up my mid.

54:05 Speaker 1: Totally.

54:07 Speaker 4: I love your music because it makes me smile.

54:09 Speaker 3: Well, that's great, fantastic, that's one of the best things

54:12 Speaker 3: that anybody has ever said to me.

54:13 Speaker 5: And and for those watching online too, let me hold

54:16 Speaker 5: this up again, the seven inch final artwork.

54:19 Speaker 1: You can see that. Yeah, the artwork is very very.

54:22 Speaker 3: That's like I said, Paul court John is the artist there.

54:24 Speaker 3: You like his stuff. He's got He's just got a

54:26 Speaker 3: crazy amount of independent comics.

54:29 Speaker 1: And you're playing You've got shows this week?

54:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're playing. The next one is in Ellsworth.

54:34 Speaker 3: So there's a new place in Ellsworth called the Black

54:37 Speaker 3: Moon Public House. And this is my new favorite place

54:40 Speaker 3: in Maine because it is a pub and it's a

54:43 Speaker 3: record store together. You can like go in and and

54:47 Speaker 3: they're having live shows there. So I was there, you know,

54:50 Speaker 3: back earlier this summer and at the place a soft opening,

54:52 Speaker 3: and I walked in and I saw that they looked around.

54:55 Speaker 3: I found Steve, Steve Pierce, the Empressario, and I said, Hey,

55:00 Speaker 3: do you ever do any in stores here? He's like, yeah, sure.

55:04 Speaker 3: So I just started playing there, yeah, yes, And so

55:07 Speaker 3: I've played there a couple three times now. But now

55:10 Speaker 3: he trusts me a little bit. I don't know, you know,

55:13 Speaker 3: whether better or for worse. So this weekend, Saturday, November second,

55:18 Speaker 3: I'm bringing up a couple of friends of mine from

55:20 Speaker 3: Portland and we're gonna just Portland comes to Elsworth, so

55:23 Speaker 3: Plague Dad will be there crying. Caleb is gonna be there,

55:27 Speaker 3: and a gentleman named Fine Pioneer okay, and he's got

55:31 Speaker 3: a new single out that's just amazing as well. It's

55:34 Speaker 3: called both Sides of Sleepy and it's a fantastic song.

55:37 Speaker 3: So we're gonna take that show on the road. We're

55:39 Speaker 3: gonna go up to Ellsworth on the second and we're

55:41 Speaker 3: gonna play that.

55:42 Speaker 1: Okay.

55:42 Speaker 3: And there's a couple in uh in skou Hegan. There's

55:45 Speaker 3: some there's there's some young people that are organizing shows

55:48 Speaker 3: there now, house parties and other venues so that they

55:51 Speaker 3: they reached out to me and asked me if I

55:53 Speaker 3: come up play a couple there. I said, of course,

55:54 Speaker 3: I will, absolutely. And then the spring Point Tavern in

55:58 Speaker 3: South Portland, Okay, is right across the street from uh

56:02 Speaker 3: SMCC from Southern Main Community College. They're doing live music

56:06 Speaker 3: now and Cryon Caleb got a show there and he

56:09 Speaker 3: asked me if I would play that show with him.

56:11 Speaker 3: He said, oh, yeah, of course, yeah, So we're playing

56:13 Speaker 3: there on I want to say the ninth. These are

56:16 Speaker 3: all on my website, plague dot Dad. I put every show,

56:19 Speaker 3: every this is on This is on there, you know,

56:21 Speaker 3: and there's a mailing list if you want to stay

56:23 Speaker 3: up with things. I promise I won't spam yet, but uh,

56:26 Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of really cool stuff going on.

56:29 Speaker 5: And drop a line outstanding. Well, thank you again, plague Dad.

56:34 Speaker 5: This has been amazing.

56:35 Speaker 1: What should we close with? I'll let you pick.

56:37 Speaker 3: Oh, let's play, let's play the one tune we haven't

56:40 Speaker 3: played yet, which is what ran us off right. There's

56:42 Speaker 3: actually a video for this on YouTube as well.

56:44 Speaker 1: Ran us off. I don't see that.

56:46 Speaker 3: One that's the I don't have the record for me.

56:48 Speaker 3: I can't remember. I've got I've gotten there just as well,

56:51 Speaker 3: just as well as No, that's not that's not the right.

56:54 Speaker 1: Oh that's one of the ones you sent.

56:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what, play that. Go ahead and

56:57 Speaker 3: play that. That's a great little tune.

56:58 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I like that one. Yeah, it's we'll give okay, yeah,

57:02 Speaker 1: we'll give this a spin.

57:03 Speaker 5: And then if you are listening live on Saturday, of course,

57:08 Speaker 5: coming up in the second hour, in just a couple

57:10 Speaker 5: of minutes, we've got October Sun's Dave Wally is here

57:13 Speaker 5: in the building, and I think he's got how many

57:16 Speaker 5: is it just Dave.

57:17 Speaker 1: And Chris or is people?

57:19 Speaker 3: Really?

57:20 Speaker 1: Okay? All right, very good?

57:22 Speaker 5: And uh these are these are some some old old

57:25 Speaker 5: and some old and dear friends of mine. So I'm

57:29 Speaker 5: really looking forward to that. And then in the third

57:30 Speaker 5: hour today we have Rebecca Turmel so stick around. But

57:34 Speaker 5: here it is plague Dad.

57:35 Speaker 1: This is just as well, and.

57:42 Speaker 2: It's just as well either way, the one of us say,

58:02 Speaker 2: and it's just as well.

58:07 Speaker 3: I always thought that me would have a celt another day.

58:13 Speaker 2: But I get drinking to you.

58:15 Speaker 7: Marie Fades away m seeing bad and it's just as well.

58:40 Speaker 2: He would have been it up. And Audi's a ways.

58:47 Speaker 3: So I get drinking to you'll, Ma.

58:48 Speaker 2: Marie fades away and it's just as well. I always

59:01 Speaker 2: thought that you would have a Sealesan us A days

59:07 Speaker 7: Now there's nothing that for either one of us to say,

59:15 Speaker 7: exit bad, and it's just as well.