Matt Connarton Unleashed 12-13-25 hour 1

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4:45 Speaker 4: Good morning, everybody, welcome, Here we go. It is that

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5:12 Speaker 4: Today is a Saturday, December thirteen, twenty twenty five, and

5:17 Speaker 4: I am not alone.

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5:29 Speaker 4: As Jenny is here at the news table, I am present,

5:32 Speaker 4: and we got a well you've got something we should

5:37 Speaker 4: mention plug before we get Oh, by the way, that

5:40 Speaker 4: opening song was the Ocean by replaced by robots. I

5:43 Speaker 4: know I've been playing it on the show, but I'm

5:45 Speaker 4: not sure I had opened with it before today, so

5:46 Speaker 4: I wanted to mention that quickly because such a great song,

5:49 Speaker 4: and they're they're starting to get some play on college

5:51 Speaker 4: stations across the country, and they're gotting a lot of

5:52 Speaker 4: good press right now too for that, for that single

5:55 Speaker 4: and everything that they do. Such a such a great band.

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6:34 Speaker 4: Very nice, very nice. So we do have a very

6:36 Speaker 4: busy show for you today, starring in order of appearance,

6:41 Speaker 4: we have Dots in Moon. We're gonna be talking to

6:44 Speaker 4: Richard from Dots and Moon in just a couple of minutes.

6:46 Speaker 4: We're going to play as New as Single and then

6:47 Speaker 4: talk to him. On the second hour, we have down

6:51 Speaker 4: Boys coming in. They've got a brand new single we're

6:53 Speaker 4: gonna play for you today. They will be here with

6:55 Speaker 4: us in studio. And then in the third hour, I

6:58 Speaker 4: actually have to look at my notes. We got a

7:00 Speaker 4: busy show. Oh yes. In the third hour we have

7:01 Speaker 4: Jesse Kil guests from New York City we're gonna be

7:04 Speaker 4: talking to and Audio gust which is a very interesting project.

7:09 Speaker 4: So we've got a busy show. Chris Evans from audio guest,

7:12 Speaker 4: not Chris Evans the actor, it's a different Chris Evans.

7:15 Speaker 4: I believe that he's from Seattle, so he's gonna be

7:18 Speaker 4: joining us to be a WhatsApp. So we got a

7:19 Speaker 4: busy show ahead of us, So welcome everybody. I do

7:21 Speaker 4: want to mention also quickly, and I shared this out

7:23 Speaker 4: on social media. Our friends chasing the Devil of a

7:27 Speaker 4: brand new single. And usually when whenever they release a

7:29 Speaker 4: new single, we like to do the world radio premiere

7:32 Speaker 4: right here on Matt Connorton Unleashed. But we're not doing

7:35 Speaker 4: it for that, but I do for this one. But

7:38 Speaker 4: I do suggest that you check it out. It's a really,

7:40 Speaker 4: really good song. It's called liar. The only thing is

7:43 Speaker 4: it's one of those things where in the chorus of

7:45 Speaker 4: the song, and I was surprised because I don't think

7:47 Speaker 4: there's any swears in any of their other songs, but

7:49 Speaker 4: in the chorus of this particular song, there's a word

7:53 Speaker 4: that has said quite a few times, and I was like,

7:55 Speaker 4: I don't think I can make a radio edit of

7:57 Speaker 4: this one. I don't mind making radio edits for guests

7:59 Speaker 4: sometimes have to do it and whatnot, but this was

8:01 Speaker 4: one of those cases where kind of like with that

8:03 Speaker 4: Kenny Troon song, uh, you know, the one I'm talking about,

8:06 Speaker 4: Jenny Don't one of my favorite which he played on

8:11 Speaker 4: the he played a self censored He played a self

8:14 Speaker 4: censored version of it on the show Don't mess this

8:16 Speaker 4: thing up. But the actual edit it, yeah, the actual

8:21 Speaker 4: studio track of it. Yeah, there's no way to take

8:24 Speaker 4: that word out without just completely wrecking the chorus. And

8:26 Speaker 4: I had the same thought when I was listening to Liar,

8:29 Speaker 4: the new single from Chasing the Devil. So we're not

8:31 Speaker 4: gonna play it here, you know, unless they unless they

8:33 Speaker 4: make a radio edit and they give it to us,

8:34 Speaker 4: because it should be on the radio. It's very very catchy,

8:38 Speaker 4: really great track. And you know, Jay Bellow from Chasing

8:41 Speaker 4: the Devil is a big supporter of the show. He

8:43 Speaker 4: might even be in the chat room. I haven't uh,

8:45 Speaker 4: I haven't had a chance to look, but but definitely

8:49 Speaker 4: uh check check out the track. It's on streaming platforms.

8:51 Speaker 4: It dropped. I think it dropped at midnight and it's

8:54 Speaker 4: so good. The song is called Liar. The band is

8:55 Speaker 4: Chasing the Devil. Please support them. Amazing band. But I

9:00 Speaker 4: play that here, so check it out. Not right now,

9:03 Speaker 4: stay with us for now, but check it out after

9:04 Speaker 4: the show. I think what we will do now, We're

9:07 Speaker 4: gonna go ahead and play a song from Dots and Moon,

9:10 Speaker 4: a great, great track called Moments in the Sun. And

9:14 Speaker 4: then when we come back from the song, we will

9:16 Speaker 4: have Richard from Dots and Moon on with us via WhatsApp.

9:19 Speaker 4: Can't wait to talk with him. I love this project.

9:23 Speaker 4: Take a listen Moments in the Sun by Dots and Moon.

10:10 Speaker 3: Still five.

10:19 Speaker 6: D side.

10:28 Speaker 1: So mused.

10:39 Speaker 7: So you know.

11:08 Speaker 2: Thecome Omen's son.

11:55 Speaker 3: I have sne.

12:01 Speaker 6: Was the man child a friend.

12:14 Speaker 3: Sis she.

12:39 Speaker 6: Shows the sun e the Sun.

13:37 Speaker 4: Oh I like that a lot. That is Moments in

13:39 Speaker 4: the Sun. The project is Dots and Moon and we

13:42 Speaker 4: have Richard from Dots and Moon on the line with

13:44 Speaker 4: us via WhatsApp. Hello are you there?

13:46 Speaker 7: Yes, I'm here. Thanks for having me. I really appreciate it.

13:49 Speaker 4: Absolutely No, I'm glad you can join us today. I

13:51 Speaker 4: really like what you're doing. The songs they've got. I mean,

13:56 Speaker 4: obviously they you know, they sound different, but a lot

13:59 Speaker 4: of these have a kind of a dreamy, sort of

14:01 Speaker 4: atmospheric kind of vibe. I really like. I really like

14:05 Speaker 4: these a lot.

14:07 Speaker 7: Nice to hear.

14:08 Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely. And you're in Are you in upstate New

14:11 Speaker 4: York or where where are you?

14:12 Speaker 7: Exactly New York north of Buffalo. Were getting the cliched

14:17 Speaker 7: pummel of snow right now? Are you too?

14:20 Speaker 3: Yeah?

14:21 Speaker 7: But you probably you're in New Hampshire, right.

14:24 Speaker 4: We're in New Hampshire. Yeah, yeah, you.

14:26 Speaker 7: Must get a good chunk of snow.

14:28 Speaker 4: We get, well, not as much as you might think.

14:30 Speaker 4: The winters I grew up here, and the winters here

14:33 Speaker 4: are considerably easier now overall than they were when I

14:37 Speaker 4: was a kid. So some years we get some years

14:40 Speaker 4: we get a lot of snow, but we don't get

14:41 Speaker 4: we don't get pummeled too badly. Some years we get

14:44 Speaker 4: very little, so it's not it's not too bad. Here

14:47 Speaker 4: we've had a cold snap, but it's it's not too bad.

14:49 Speaker 4: But where you are, so were you because Buffalo, if

14:54 Speaker 4: I remember a number of years ago, had like, uh,

14:56 Speaker 4: I know, Buffalo gets a lot of snow, but didn't

14:59 Speaker 4: that hurt the city?

15:00 Speaker 7: And then south of the city, if you go north,

15:04 Speaker 7: it'll have an inch of snow.

15:06 Speaker 4: Oh, so it's not bad. So you're north of Buffalo, yeah,

15:09 Speaker 4: oh Goodmerally.

15:10 Speaker 7: It's not too bad. Today, it's a little it's a

15:12 Speaker 7: little rough.

15:13 Speaker 4: So I remember, I remember seeing on the news a

15:14 Speaker 4: few years ago it was like like multiple feet of

15:17 Speaker 4: snow and like it just like snowed for like five

15:19 Speaker 4: days straight.

15:19 Speaker 7: So but well, ever since that blizzard of seventy seven,

15:24 Speaker 7: one hundred years ago, it's just it's, you know, it's

15:27 Speaker 7: just a news cliche. They always you know, because we're

15:30 Speaker 7: right in the lake.

15:31 Speaker 4: Okay, so right on Lake Erie.

15:33 Speaker 7: So it just comes right off the lake and we

15:35 Speaker 7: get slammed.

15:36 Speaker 4: Gotcha, gotcha. I'd like to know more. Tell us more

15:40 Speaker 4: about dots and moon. Well, first of all, let me

15:41 Speaker 4: ask you this right off the top. I'm sure you

15:43 Speaker 4: answer this question all the time. But what does where

15:45 Speaker 4: does the name come from? Dots and Moon?

15:49 Speaker 7: I just liked the sound of it, and it's just,

15:53 Speaker 7: you know, brought up certain ideas in my mind. I mean,

15:57 Speaker 7: the sun and the moon are both at dot you know,

15:59 Speaker 7: and and the sky and it just really you know,

16:05 Speaker 7: I just I hope it produces an image in someone's mind,

16:08 Speaker 7: you know, of something interesting. Yeah, but it wasn't you know,

16:14 Speaker 7: it wasn't the car as most people would think. You know,

16:18 Speaker 7: it's not D A T, S U N. But I

16:20 Speaker 7: even thought that was kind of cool, the idea of

16:22 Speaker 7: an old dots on full moon.

16:25 Speaker 4: Absolutely. And now the project has changed over the years, correct,

16:29 Speaker 4: because from what I was reading, did it used to

16:31 Speaker 4: be a female fronted collaboration and now it's a solo project?

16:35 Speaker 4: Is that true?

16:36 Speaker 7: Well? Even before that, it was me and then I

16:40 Speaker 7: had a friend of mine and it was just the

16:42 Speaker 7: two of us and we would play guitar. When we

16:46 Speaker 7: would play out, the two of us played guitar, and

16:48 Speaker 7: then I would have all the synse and all that

16:50 Speaker 7: stuff recorded on a digital recorder. And especially here Western

16:58 Speaker 7: New York, you know, like there were rules, you know,

17:01 Speaker 7: you didn't have pre recorded tracks and all this stuff.

17:04 Speaker 7: But I don't know if you're familiar with carter usm

17:06 Speaker 7: by any chance, a real old band.

17:08 Speaker 4: No, I'm not familiar with them.

17:10 Speaker 7: All right. So they're from England and they came here

17:12 Speaker 7: and they played and it was two guys with the

17:14 Speaker 7: guitar on their backing tracks. And I said to my

17:16 Speaker 7: and it sounded amazing, and I'm like, you know, I'd

17:18 Speaker 7: rather hear a band with backing tracks. It sounds fantastic

17:21 Speaker 7: than a band with all live members that doesn't sound good.

17:24 Speaker 7: And it's just easy, you know. It was just easier

17:26 Speaker 7: to put everything together and play. And then I met

17:30 Speaker 7: somebody I was friends with and she's like, you know,

17:32 Speaker 7: I can sing. So I asked her to sing this

17:35 Speaker 7: song called Glory and then he'd the warning and then

17:39 Speaker 7: those two songs. I was like, wow, and it sounded fantastic,

17:42 Speaker 7: and we would and we slowly had a band, a

17:45 Speaker 7: five piece BANDA and I had a lap, I had

17:47 Speaker 7: a laptop and say, you know, say the drummer moved,

17:54 Speaker 7: I could then just unmute the drum tracks that I

17:57 Speaker 7: had made or had recorded from the drummer, and that

18:00 Speaker 7: allowed the band to play out a lot more. I've

18:03 Speaker 7: played everything from you know, me and a singer to

18:08 Speaker 7: me and four other bandmates with you know, no backing tracks.

18:12 Speaker 4: Wow.

18:12 Speaker 7: So yeah, that must have been.

18:14 Speaker 4: That must have been kind of exciting, right, to have

18:16 Speaker 4: that sort of flexibility with it where you could work

18:19 Speaker 4: with that. I'm always fascinated by that kind of dynamic

18:23 Speaker 4: because you know, obviously we interview a lot of musicians

18:26 Speaker 4: on the show, and I've i myself. I'm a musician,

18:28 Speaker 4: and I've played in a bunch of bands, but I

18:30 Speaker 4: was never I never played in a band where you

18:32 Speaker 4: could just where you had that kind of flexibility, you know,

18:35 Speaker 4: where you could play in multiple different configurations over the

18:40 Speaker 4: course of shows and and always just make it work.

18:43 Speaker 4: Like all the bands I ever played, and it was like,

18:45 Speaker 4: you know, we got we got the same group of

18:47 Speaker 4: guys who are going to have to be here at

18:49 Speaker 4: every single show because if you remove one piece, it

18:51 Speaker 4: all falls apart. So it must have been it must

18:53 Speaker 4: have been cool. And to be able to use technology

18:56 Speaker 4: to to sort of give you that flexibility.

18:59 Speaker 7: Yeah, because I was a big fan of New Order,

19:01 Speaker 7: you know, growing up, you know, I saw them live

19:05 Speaker 7: and it just ity didn't seem like there was anything

19:07 Speaker 7: wrong with it to me to you know, go ahead

19:10 Speaker 7: and do that. Yeah, and and it was great too,

19:13 Speaker 7: but the best. And then I went and I got

19:17 Speaker 7: an electric drum kit because the frequency of the synse

19:21 Speaker 7: and then the symbol crashes, it was just piercing and

19:26 Speaker 7: it was unreal. So but i'd have I think I

19:30 Speaker 7: played with three or four drummers over the years, and

19:33 Speaker 7: it's a long time, and they'd all be like, kind

19:35 Speaker 7: of am not sure And then they come over and

19:37 Speaker 7: they play that electronic drum kit and they'd be like,

19:39 Speaker 7: this is amazing. I love this. They'd be having so

19:43 Speaker 7: much fun with all the songs, but they'd have to

19:44 Speaker 7: play with a click, right, and they didn't mind that either,

19:48 Speaker 7: they you know, So it was just a lot of fun.

19:51 Speaker 3: You know.

19:51 Speaker 7: It was more the enjoyment of getting together with other

19:54 Speaker 7: people and playing. You know, we never really had the

19:57 Speaker 7: opportunity to tour much. We played, you know, arounding cities,

20:01 Speaker 7: but that was about it.

20:02 Speaker 4: Do you feel like as you were doing that that

20:04 Speaker 4: the certain stigma, because there are you know, even today,

20:06 Speaker 4: I mean it's gotten a lot better as as people

20:09 Speaker 4: continue to embrace technology and using technology and music but

20:12 Speaker 4: I feel like even today, there's there's always going to

20:14 Speaker 4: be some people who just if you don't have everything

20:18 Speaker 4: completely live, if you've got someone on stage with something

20:23 Speaker 4: that is creating some sort of sound other than instruments,

20:27 Speaker 4: you know, you've got somebody up there with a laptop

20:28 Speaker 4: or whatever. There's there's always going to be certain people

20:30 Speaker 4: who are judgmental of that or using backing tracks or anything.

20:34 Speaker 4: But do you feel like over the course of your

20:36 Speaker 4: doing that that, at least in the area where you

20:39 Speaker 4: were out playing live, that the you kind of overcame that.

20:43 Speaker 7: Do you think, oh yeah, because well, and then when

20:47 Speaker 7: we started, we you know, we'd be playing with bands

20:52 Speaker 7: that were ten years younger because they were already embracing that, right,

20:57 Speaker 7: you know. And some of those stuff I love now,

21:00 Speaker 7: like a group called Aso or keep Shelley in Athens.

21:06 Speaker 7: They're a singer and a DJ, so it's not even

21:09 Speaker 7: like a musician. It's a DJ who has found samples

21:12 Speaker 7: and put them all together and that type of thing.

21:15 Speaker 7: But you know, I see where people are coming from

21:17 Speaker 7: with live music. I mean, last night I was at

21:20 Speaker 7: a Hofbra house, you know, with the Oompampa and you know,

21:24 Speaker 7: and I'm watching them and the guy's playing the accordion

21:27 Speaker 7: and the other guys singing, and like what talent. He

21:30 Speaker 7: makes it look so easy. So you know, I get it,

21:34 Speaker 7: you know, with all live musicians, I mean, you know,

21:37 Speaker 7: that's that's incredible skill and dedication and keeps showing up

21:41 Speaker 7: and practicing together, and so I get the stigma. And

21:46 Speaker 7: I also you know, if I could have all live musicians,

21:51 Speaker 7: I would, but you know, life gets in the.

21:53 Speaker 4: Way, absolutely absolutely what you know when one you're in

21:56 Speaker 4: a band. At somebody on the show, I wish I

21:58 Speaker 4: could remember who said it. Somebody on the show who

21:59 Speaker 4: had gone from being in a band to doing everything

22:02 Speaker 4: solo like like like you have done, essentially made the

22:06 Speaker 4: observation that being in a band with say you're in

22:09 Speaker 4: a band with three other people, it's like being in

22:10 Speaker 4: a relationship with three other people who are also in

22:13 Speaker 4: a relationship with three other people, and it's and that's challenging,

22:17 Speaker 4: and you've got to work with everyone's schedules and varying

22:19 Speaker 4: levels of commitment within that project, and it can be

22:22 Speaker 4: very very difficult. I mean, do you find is it

22:26 Speaker 4: less stressful because you've you have transitioned to doing this

22:29 Speaker 4: as a solo project, is it? Is it overall just

22:32 Speaker 4: less stressful doing it this way?

22:37 Speaker 7: Are you still there?

22:38 Speaker 4: Yes?

22:39 Speaker 7: Okay, Well, you know, as far as writing this stuff goes,

22:44 Speaker 7: you know, I always wrote everything and then people would

22:48 Speaker 7: learn how to play what I wrote through. For the

22:52 Speaker 7: first album, did have a bass player, but even he

22:55 Speaker 7: would come over and just jam with the song for

22:59 Speaker 7: four minutes, and then I have to go through what

23:02 Speaker 7: he played and cut out the you know, the snippets

23:06 Speaker 7: that I really like the best and put them in order.

23:08 Speaker 7: So as far as writing the stuff goes, it was

23:11 Speaker 7: always solo. Yeah, But playing live it's just more enjoyable

23:16 Speaker 7: to play with other people. When you play live, you know,

23:19 Speaker 7: it's it's a lot better. But you know, I don't

23:23 Speaker 7: even know if I'm gonna bother because I for a

23:26 Speaker 7: year we had a singer and a guitarist and a drummer,

23:29 Speaker 7: and then the drummer couldn't make it because of work

23:32 Speaker 7: obligations and another band, and then you know, the singer

23:36 Speaker 7: got accepted into a music program, and you know, I

23:41 Speaker 7: just was I thought, you know, it's it's okay, it's

23:45 Speaker 7: but it's a little stressful playing out Maybe I'll just

23:49 Speaker 7: you know, do a studio thing.

23:50 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, the other thing with drummers too, Because you

23:53 Speaker 4: mentioned drummers, it's kind of become well, almost a running joke.

23:58 Speaker 4: But it's not even a joke. Like every every band

24:01 Speaker 4: we have on the show, the drummer in the band

24:03 Speaker 4: is always in like ten other bands. Yeah, and I

24:07 Speaker 4: feel like it's I feel like it's that way everywhere.

24:10 Speaker 4: I have a theory about that. I think it's because

24:12 Speaker 4: drummers are have become so rare because you know, when

24:14 Speaker 4: you're growing up and you first become interested in music

24:17 Speaker 4: and you want to learn a musical instrument. If you

24:20 Speaker 4: approach your parents and you say, I want to pick

24:22 Speaker 4: up an instrument, but I want to learn drums, you know,

24:25 Speaker 4: if it's that or I don't know, maybe the tuba,

24:28 Speaker 4: there's a good chance they're going to try to talk

24:30 Speaker 4: you out of it because they'd rather, you know, because

24:32 Speaker 4: nobody wants all that noise in their house, you know,

24:35 Speaker 4: unless they're just very very supportive. So that's that's my theory,

24:38 Speaker 4: because yeah, every yeah, every drummer I know is in

24:41 Speaker 4: ten bands. And can you tell tell us too about

24:47 Speaker 4: I had read something you said you were talking about

24:49 Speaker 4: how the technology, about how it it both isolates us

24:53 Speaker 4: but also helps us to make personal connections.

25:00 Speaker 7: Wow, sometimes I forget I have little deep nuggets like that. Yeah. Well,

25:09 Speaker 7: I mean, so, you know, writing the song on my

25:12 Speaker 7: own it it can be really lonely.

25:16 Speaker 8: You know.

25:16 Speaker 7: I'd rather have this, you know, have someone else coming

25:21 Speaker 7: over and and working with them and you know, having

25:26 Speaker 7: you know, having a co writer, that would be great.

25:28 Speaker 8: You know.

25:29 Speaker 7: So that's lonely. But on the other hand, where I

25:33 Speaker 7: went to record this album, I wish I would have

25:36 Speaker 7: known about him sooner. I actually I did. A friend

25:38 Speaker 7: of mine kept urging me to go to This guy's

25:40 Speaker 7: name is Doug White, and he's got a studio called

25:44 Speaker 7: Watchman's Studio after the comic book. He had two shoegaze bands,

25:48 Speaker 7: one Macar's Pen and one called Tearwave and recorded a

25:55 Speaker 7: you know, that's like he really is Wheelhouse and he's

25:59 Speaker 7: so easy to work with. He's really reasonable to play with.

26:03 Speaker 7: And I can go in there with all my stems

26:05 Speaker 7: and you know, a raw idea and work with him

26:09 Speaker 7: for seven or eight hours and walk out with a

26:11 Speaker 7: song and recording. I'm really happy with. Yeah, And that's

26:15 Speaker 7: you know, and you're bonding when you're hanging out together

26:18 Speaker 7: talking and playing and making stuff, so you know, or

26:22 Speaker 7: when we would have band practice on a Saturday morning,

26:24 Speaker 7: that was like the highlight of my week, just getting

26:26 Speaker 7: together with people I considered friends and you know, playing

26:30 Speaker 7: music and then going out and socializing and meeting other bands.

26:35 Speaker 7: So you know, you're isolated kind of when you're writing, right,

26:39 Speaker 7: but you know when you go to record or practice

26:43 Speaker 7: or play out, you get to socialize. So yeah, yeah,

26:45 Speaker 7: I think that's yeah. I mean, I don't think it

26:49 Speaker 7: could be much more than that. I guess.

26:51 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting how and I think I think the

26:55 Speaker 4: pandemic kind of really brought this to the forefront for

26:58 Speaker 4: a lot of people because I always say, you know,

27:00 Speaker 4: that was a terrible experience for everybody, but it also

27:04 Speaker 4: we have to find these silver linings where we can.

27:07 Speaker 4: And one of the few silver linings about it was

27:09 Speaker 4: it kind of forced people to be creative in new ways,

27:12 Speaker 4: even though the technology was already there. You know, you

27:15 Speaker 4: could already send files back and forth through Dropbox or

27:17 Speaker 4: Google Drive or whatever, and you so you could you

27:19 Speaker 4: could already do all that collaborating with people from a distance,

27:23 Speaker 4: and people had been doing that, but I think the

27:25 Speaker 4: pandemic kind of forced people who maybe were averse to

27:28 Speaker 4: doing that to give it a try, and it created

27:32 Speaker 4: this entire new wave of collaboration amongst people who thought, well,

27:38 Speaker 4: this person's on the other side of the country, how

27:40 Speaker 4: am I ever going to collaborate with them? Oh, okay,

27:43 Speaker 4: well we'll give this a try. Oh turns out this

27:45 Speaker 4: works pretty well, and so I think it. You know,

27:49 Speaker 4: that was the most isolating thing that you know, we've

27:51 Speaker 4: been through, you know, was the pandemic, right, and yet

27:55 Speaker 4: and yet, because of technology, it also helped people make

27:58 Speaker 4: a lot of new connections in profound ways that allowed

28:01 Speaker 4: them to create together.

28:04 Speaker 7: My friend's son is I don't know, twenty one, and

28:07 Speaker 7: the majority of the bands he listens to are you know,

28:11 Speaker 7: kids in their twenties early twenties, and the bands are

28:16 Speaker 7: made up of seven people and none of them are

28:18 Speaker 7: in the same city.

28:19 Speaker 9: Yep.

28:20 Speaker 7: It's you know, that's not even a big deal. That's

28:23 Speaker 7: just like how it is, right, you know. So, yeah,

28:27 Speaker 7: you know, that was the good part about the pandemic.

28:30 Speaker 7: It's interesting, though, when that was finally done and we

28:33 Speaker 7: could go back to works, I remember somebody said, oh,

28:36 Speaker 7: we might have to wear masks again. And when I

28:38 Speaker 7: heard that, I realized how I didn't realize during the

28:42 Speaker 7: pandemic how much of a strain that was putting on me.

28:46 Speaker 7: It wasn't until afterwards and someone saying something that we

28:50 Speaker 7: might have to go back to, you know, some of

28:53 Speaker 7: the ways we were like we thought there was going

28:55 Speaker 7: to be another wave, and I was just like, oh

28:57 Speaker 7: my god, I hated that. Yeah awful.

29:00 Speaker 4: Yeah, there were a lot of moments like that where

29:02 Speaker 4: it was like, oh, oh, maybe this is finally winding

29:05 Speaker 4: down and maybe oh no, no it's not.

29:09 Speaker 7: Did you get it? I got it? I got I

29:11 Speaker 7: was like four or six weeks. I can't remember, you know,

29:15 Speaker 7: it was the first wave. Yeah, it was just it

29:18 Speaker 7: was awful.

29:19 Speaker 4: I had COVID, but not until I didn't get it

29:21 Speaker 4: until after the pandemic was kind of over, you know,

29:24 Speaker 4: and I was I was vaxed and everything, but I

29:26 Speaker 4: did I did test positive at least on one occasion.

29:30 Speaker 4: I think eventually eventually I dodged it for a long

29:34 Speaker 4: time though, but.

29:37 Speaker 7: You know, yeah, I wouldn't worste it on anybody.

29:41 Speaker 4: No, No, it's it's not well being being sick just

29:44 Speaker 4: generally is uh, it's my my least favorite thing about winter.

29:48 Speaker 3: Ye.

29:48 Speaker 4: But now, so how is how is your live situation now?

29:53 Speaker 4: Like are you are you performing live currently or are

29:56 Speaker 4: you going out and playing show?

29:57 Speaker 7: No, you know, like I said, it was a year

30:00 Speaker 7: we and I think we might have even gotten more viewership.

30:04 Speaker 7: But we at band practice, we would get stuff done

30:07 Speaker 7: and then we would play something on Facebook. You know,

30:11 Speaker 7: we would actually you know, play the second half of

30:14 Speaker 7: band practice on Facebook and a number of views and

30:18 Speaker 7: the number of people who saw it. I started thinking,

30:21 Speaker 7: maybe this is better than thing out. But no, yeah,

30:26 Speaker 7: right now, like I said, I don't know if I

30:28 Speaker 7: really And that's the other problem too, like you know,

30:32 Speaker 7: I can sing, but when I when it comes to

30:33 Speaker 7: playing live, I don't know. I just I'm not impressed

30:38 Speaker 7: with what I hear when I when I play live.

30:40 Speaker 7: So I was, you know, I need to have to

30:42 Speaker 7: practice these songs, you know a lot, you know, and

30:48 Speaker 7: I mean, you know, I take voice lessons, you know,

30:53 Speaker 7: just to keep working on my voice. I'm not a

30:55 Speaker 7: you know, we probably can tell, but I'm not a

30:58 Speaker 7: natural singer.

30:59 Speaker 8: You know.

31:00 Speaker 7: It's more of that kind of guy from the church

31:03 Speaker 7: type of feel ye. So but yeah, but losing the

31:09 Speaker 7: singer we had and she was amazing, she was great.

31:11 Speaker 7: You know, if you want to find a singer, go

31:14 Speaker 7: to your local alternative karaoke because you'll find a lot

31:18 Speaker 7: of people are dying to find bands there.

31:20 Speaker 4: Interesting.

31:21 Speaker 7: And yeah, and but she, you know, we hadn't played

31:27 Speaker 7: out and she was starting a music program, and I

31:36 Speaker 7: just don't know if I really want to search for

31:38 Speaker 7: another band again. You know, I think I'd like to

31:40 Speaker 7: just focus on playing music and maybe even go more

31:42 Speaker 7: towards the piano. I don't know if you read that,

31:46 Speaker 7: but there's a guy named Harold Budd. He did an

31:49 Speaker 7: album with Cocktail Twins and then he's done at least

31:53 Speaker 7: two or three albums with Robin Guthrie. But he's the

31:56 Speaker 7: guy that got me into playing piano in my early twenties.

32:00 Speaker 7: And yeah, we lost him to COVID, but he put

32:03 Speaker 7: out an album with well, he put out a lot

32:07 Speaker 7: of albums, but he put out an album with Brian

32:10 Speaker 7: Eno and the Pearl. It's called and it's just amazing

32:17 Speaker 7: and it's gorgeous. And for the longest time I couldn't

32:20 Speaker 7: figure out what he was doing. And then I figured

32:22 Speaker 7: out he pretty much just played major seventh chords every

32:25 Speaker 7: record he played, And that's what Robin Guthrie does for

32:27 Speaker 7: any of your listeners that are into music theory and yeah,

32:33 Speaker 7: and so there's like I think one, there's not two.

32:39 Speaker 7: I think there's at least one piano interlude on Yeah,

32:42 Speaker 7: there's one before the last three songs on the CD

32:45 Speaker 7: on the new album, and just kind of going down

32:49 Speaker 7: more that vein. Yeah, Like you know, I don't know

32:52 Speaker 7: if you know like Stars of the Lid or the

32:53 Speaker 7: Cranky Label at all. It's kind of it's atmosphere ambient,

33:00 Speaker 7: but it's not, you know, yoga ambient. It's got just

33:07 Speaker 7: a little bit of a twist to it when you listen.

33:10 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, but I'm really rambling.

33:12 Speaker 7: I didn't really, I'm tired.

33:13 Speaker 4: I Hey, No, that's okay. That's what we do here.

33:18 Speaker 4: That's what we do. That's that's perfect. I'd much rather that.

33:21 Speaker 7: No.

33:22 Speaker 4: The worst thing is when someone comes on and they

33:23 Speaker 4: have nothing to say, which is rarest Most musicians like

33:26 Speaker 4: to talk about music. But every once in a while,

33:28 Speaker 4: you know, we might have somebody who kind of clams

33:30 Speaker 4: up and it's like uh, yeah, yeah, person, and can

33:38 Speaker 4: you tell us you about some of the themes. I mean,

33:40 Speaker 4: like I said, you know, the music, it's got a

33:42 Speaker 4: very you know, it's got kind of a dreamy, atmospheric

33:44 Speaker 4: sort of vibe to it. But I mean, what are

33:47 Speaker 4: some of the themes that you like to write about?

33:52 Speaker 7: Well, this one, you know, before, you know, when when

33:56 Speaker 7: I had a female singer, like I like to have,

34:02 Speaker 7: you know, empowered lyrics, something that was strong, something like

34:06 Speaker 7: you know, where someone was coming back from being the

34:11 Speaker 7: underdog or something like that. Yeah, And with this one,

34:15 Speaker 7: I just wanted there to be kind of like a

34:18 Speaker 7: hopeful message, you know. And but a lot of times,

34:24 Speaker 7: you know, and I wonder if this is true for

34:27 Speaker 7: most you know, singers, I would like kind of add

34:30 Speaker 7: lib lyrics and then as I sang them and looked

34:33 Speaker 7: at them and then you know, redid them. Like you know,

34:36 Speaker 7: moments in the sun. Everybody has moments in the sun.

34:39 Speaker 7: It's just like, you know, even if things are tough,

34:42 Speaker 7: you know, you'll have good days, you know. I mean,

34:44 Speaker 7: it's not that complex of an idea or bring love,

34:51 Speaker 7: Bring loves a breakup song, but it's a song about

34:53 Speaker 7: accepting that that breakup. But you know it, don't really

34:57 Speaker 7: realize it until you're done kind of improvising lyrics two

35:02 Speaker 7: or three times. You know. That's the great thing about

35:04 Speaker 7: having home recording studios. You know, you've got that freedom

35:08 Speaker 7: to do that, and then you look at what you've

35:09 Speaker 7: come up with and you're like, oh, there's just kind

35:12 Speaker 7: of a good idea here, or have you know, come

35:14 Speaker 7: up with a story. We're an atmosphere of just you know,

35:20 Speaker 7: you know, I really liked a lot of trip hop stuff,

35:24 Speaker 7: so just having something being kind of a little dark,

35:28 Speaker 7: you know, but yeah, but not like in the end

35:33 Speaker 7: of the world kind of way, but kind of like

35:35 Speaker 7: you know, like you know, a dark movie like what's

35:42 Speaker 7: that Black Mirror something like that.

35:45 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I haven't seen that, but I it comes

35:48 Speaker 4: up in conversation though with people. So I people have

35:51 Speaker 4: told me I would enjoy it.

35:52 Speaker 7: Yeah, you go back to I wouldn't. I'd skipped the

35:56 Speaker 7: very very first episode, but I go back to the

35:59 Speaker 7: British show first and check it out.

36:02 Speaker 8: Ye.

36:03 Speaker 7: So yeah, So either something that's kind of a dark twist,

36:07 Speaker 7: a little Halloween ish, or something that's got a you know,

36:10 Speaker 7: a hopeful message on one or the other. Yeah, generally

36:14 Speaker 7: seems what comes out, you know, things will be okay.

36:18 Speaker 4: I'm also curious too about So your newest is an EP,

36:24 Speaker 4: but why so Moments in the Sun is an EP

36:27 Speaker 4: but Tiger, the previous release was was a full album. Correct.

36:30 Speaker 7: Yeah, And here's why this ended up happening. And I

36:36 Speaker 7: hope you know this doesn't sound bad, but something got

36:41 Speaker 7: messed up in the last three songs of Tiger, where

36:46 Speaker 7: they're all they're named wrong. Three songs are like Moments

36:52 Speaker 7: in the Sun is Winter Streets and Winter Streets is

36:57 Speaker 7: Army of Me. So I put the EP out with

37:02 Speaker 7: you know, an extra news song and then just to

37:05 Speaker 7: get the right names on the songs because because I

37:10 Speaker 7: know this is going to sound horrible. But if I

37:13 Speaker 7: take Tiger down and then put it back up again, yeah,

37:18 Speaker 7: well you lose all the streams. If you lose all

37:20 Speaker 7: the streams, then you're starting from scratch and your music

37:24 Speaker 7: doesn't get placed in you know, Spotify Radio or Apple

37:31 Speaker 7: Music Suggestions and that type of thing. So you know,

37:36 Speaker 7: you just it's just how the algorithm works. You know,

37:40 Speaker 7: you're kind of like going back to zero. So that

37:44 Speaker 7: is why it was done, was to try to get

37:48 Speaker 7: the right names on the songs and yeah, so it's

37:54 Speaker 7: not the best reason to put out of put out

37:59 Speaker 7: on an ep no, but.

38:00 Speaker 4: It well, but it does, you know, it is illustrative

38:03 Speaker 4: of of some of the pitfalls of you know, the

38:06 Speaker 4: technology that we're working with and how it works now

38:08 Speaker 4: with with streaming and everything. You know, it's there's a

38:11 Speaker 4: there's a lot that can go wrong, and you know

38:13 Speaker 4: a lot of musicians and industry people listen to the show.

38:15 Speaker 4: So it's it's kind of a good lesson, you know,

38:18 Speaker 4: something to be aware of. And you're right, I mean,

38:21 Speaker 4: you know, practically speaking, yeah, you you know, you could,

38:23 Speaker 4: you could take it down and then put it back

38:25 Speaker 4: up with but then, yeah, like you said, you you lose.

38:29 Speaker 4: You know, you don't want to lose whatever momentum you've

38:32 Speaker 4: you've built, whatever equity you've built in that with the algorithms,

38:35 Speaker 4: you know.

38:35 Speaker 7: Yeah, because you know, you know that long tail theory.

38:38 Speaker 7: You know, it's just you know, you keep getting you know,

38:42 Speaker 7: because you know, I'm not gonna make any money off this,

38:47 Speaker 7: and I'm not going to be famous. The goal is

38:49 Speaker 7: I when I was a kid, when I was like twelve,

38:53 Speaker 7: I discovered Echo and the bunny Man and I I

38:56 Speaker 7: I was able to, you know, get a CD or

38:58 Speaker 7: an album once a month, and I, you know, no Internet,

39:03 Speaker 7: and I thought they were the coolest band. I didn't

39:05 Speaker 7: realize there was a whole genre called goth where there

39:07 Speaker 7: was other stuff like them. And I got the he

39:09 Speaker 7: An up Here album, and I remember as a kid,

39:13 Speaker 7: my whole motivation to make music was that I just

39:17 Speaker 7: want to make something that fits like a niche, you know,

39:21 Speaker 7: in someone's record collection, you know, like you know, and

39:25 Speaker 7: just make something. You know, anytime I get a new

39:30 Speaker 7: follower on YouTube or someone picks up the music on

39:33 Speaker 7: band camp, I am just thrilled that I made something

39:37 Speaker 7: that someone liked enough to spend their time listening to.

39:42 Speaker 7: You know, I'm like, oh, I'm giving, you know, paying

39:46 Speaker 7: forward what these bands that at the time were obscure,

39:50 Speaker 7: you know, I know from Danny Darko and everything that

39:52 Speaker 7: you know more everybody you know knows who the Bunnymen

39:56 Speaker 7: are now, but back then, no one you know, had

39:59 Speaker 7: a clue. Right, So I don't know if that makes sense.

40:03 Speaker 7: I feel like I'm kind of rambling, but you know

40:06 Speaker 7: that that's the goal is do it for myself because

40:10 Speaker 7: I love it. And then I just really hope someone

40:13 Speaker 7: out there enjoys it.

40:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no very well said, yeah, absolutely, that's what

40:18 Speaker 4: it's all about. And then so in a moment, well,

40:23 Speaker 4: it's been wonderful speaking with you this morning.

40:25 Speaker 7: We'll thank you so much for having me on.

40:26 Speaker 4: We'll definitely have you back in the future. I do

40:28 Speaker 4: want to And in a moment, we'll play We'll play

40:31 Speaker 4: this track never had a Heart from Tiger, but from

40:36 Speaker 4: the Tiger album. But where should Where's the best place

40:39 Speaker 4: to go Richard for people to keep up with everything

40:41 Speaker 4: that you're doing, with everything, all things Dots and Moon.

40:44 Speaker 4: Where should people go?

40:46 Speaker 7: Probably between band camp and I know it's not the

40:51 Speaker 7: most popular place, but the Dots and Moon page on

40:53 Speaker 7: Facebook it's probably the best place to follow and keep

41:00 Speaker 7: track of stuff coming out, so you know, singles.

41:02 Speaker 4: In that Okay, okay, wonderful.

41:05 Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, because I have a website, but it'll

41:07 Speaker 7: just send you to those places Instagram or you know

41:10 Speaker 7: or social media.

41:11 Speaker 4: Sites, gotcha, gotcha? Yeah, speaking of algorithms and all that.

41:15 Speaker 7: Yeah, and then band Camp because you know, I try

41:19 Speaker 7: not to send much out, but you know, if you're

41:21 Speaker 7: a follower on band camp, then I can send a

41:24 Speaker 7: message out, you know, all the followers saying, oh there's

41:27 Speaker 7: a new EP out or there's a new video out.

41:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, absolutely, what wonderful, wonderful. And then so we're

41:34 Speaker 4: going to end the segment with I Never Had a

41:36 Speaker 4: Heart from your your previous release Tiger, And this is

41:39 Speaker 4: one of the ones that you had mentioned when you

41:42 Speaker 4: when you email Jenny, what what a special like? What

41:44 Speaker 4: should we know about this song?

41:46 Speaker 10: Why?

41:46 Speaker 4: Why does this one of the ones you chose?

41:48 Speaker 7: Well? I like because it's really upbeat, you know, yeah,

41:51 Speaker 7: moves along. But also it's not negative like the title

41:56 Speaker 7: would you'd think. It's actually goes you know, heaven never

41:59 Speaker 7: had a heart like yours, And it's just someone is

42:03 Speaker 7: just so amazing that even you know, uh, the image

42:09 Speaker 7: of having like pales in comparison to someone who's just

42:13 Speaker 7: a great person to be around.

42:14 Speaker 4: Yeah. No, it's a great concept. I love it. I

42:17 Speaker 4: love it all right, So we're gonna play that in

42:18 Speaker 4: a moment. We'll let you go. But Richard from Dots

42:21 Speaker 4: and Moon, thank you so much.

42:23 Speaker 7: Like I said to you, I really appreciate it.

42:24 Speaker 4: Absolutely. Well, we'll have you back when when you've got

42:27 Speaker 4: some new stuff. We'll definitely have you back on love,

42:28 Speaker 4: love what you're doing. Keep up the great work, and uh,

42:32 Speaker 4: good luck with whatever weather you're experiencing right in that

42:37 Speaker 4: part of New York.

42:39 Speaker 7: All Right, we'll take care and thank you for having

42:42 Speaker 7: me on. I appreciate it.

42:43 Speaker 4: You got it. We'll talk to you soon. Take care,

42:45 Speaker 4: bye bye bye.

42:46 Speaker 7: All right.

42:47 Speaker 4: That is Richard from Dots and Moon. I do love

42:50 Speaker 4: this project so much, and we're gonna play this. This

42:52 Speaker 4: is from the previous release Tiger Now. This is called

42:55 Speaker 4: never had a Heart. I never felt hat like yours.

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