The Fods | Matt Connarton Unleashed

0:00 Speaker 1: I love it. That is called I Get Blamed.

0:02 Speaker 2: The band is the Fodds, and we've got Rob Critchley

0:06 Speaker 2: on the line via WhatsApp.

0:07 Speaker 1: Rob, are you there, I'm here, Matt.

0:11 Speaker 3: Can you hear me?

0:11 Speaker 1: I can, Yes, Welcome back to the show.

0:13 Speaker 4: It's great, so much for having me.

0:17 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I love that track and you would sent that

0:20 Speaker 2: one to us specifically for today.

0:22 Speaker 1: So is that now?

0:22 Speaker 2: I know that's not the but it's not quite the

0:25 Speaker 2: newest single, right because I think you've had a couple

0:27 Speaker 2: since then.

0:27 Speaker 3: Correct, We've been on a bit of a role. Yeah,

0:31 Speaker 3: it's been good.

0:34 Speaker 4: As a sort of spoke about last time, like, finding

0:37 Speaker 4: people to actually sing for us is one of our

0:40 Speaker 4: biggest challenges. Yeah, and as we've put more music out,

0:44 Speaker 4: people have heard it, and as we've approached them, they've

0:47 Speaker 4: been a little bit more willing to engage with us.

0:51 Speaker 3: So we say, so those.

0:55 Speaker 4: Guys Headphones Jack, I heard about them a long time

0:59 Speaker 4: ago and I just reached out to them and they

1:02 Speaker 4: were like, this is a cool tune, Like, but it

1:05 Speaker 4: took us, you know, a good sort of six months

1:08 Speaker 4: to put it down and get everything ready.

1:11 Speaker 3: And they're they're busy, they're gigging, and they've got their

1:14 Speaker 3: own stuff to do.

1:15 Speaker 4: So we you know, you've got to fit fit all

1:18 Speaker 4: these things in around life. So while we're doing I

1:22 Speaker 4: get blamed. We're also doing like two or three others.

1:26 Speaker 4: So we found ourselves in a situation where we had like,

1:29 Speaker 4: you know, I think four pretty much completed songs, and we.

1:35 Speaker 3: Were like, we don't know what to do with this,

1:36 Speaker 3: you know.

1:36 Speaker 4: Like, how do how do we even like process it?

1:40 Speaker 4: So we thought, right, let's just you know, when they're done,

1:44 Speaker 4: we'll release and we'll give each one a month and

1:47 Speaker 4: move on to the next one. And it's turned out

1:50 Speaker 4: to be quite It turned out to be quite a

1:51 Speaker 4: good process because you sort of not that we're massively relevant,

1:56 Speaker 4: but you stay like, you know, producing things, and things

2:01 Speaker 4: keep hitting you know, the outside world, and you know,

2:04 Speaker 4: it builds a little bit of momentum behind it, and

2:07 Speaker 4: it's worked out really well for us.

2:09 Speaker 3: So we've got songs up to January. We're going to

2:13 Speaker 3: have a release on.

2:16 Speaker 4: Nineteenth and December, and also I think it's the twenty

2:19 Speaker 4: second of January.

2:20 Speaker 3: Okay, we've got and then we've got nothing else.

2:23 Speaker 4: So February we're like, okay, we need to write something

2:30 Speaker 4: or we need to like we've got you know, three

2:32 Speaker 4: or three or four other songs, right it works, but

2:34 Speaker 4: they're not really very mature, you know. Like we've got

2:38 Speaker 4: one out to one singer and he's done something with

2:41 Speaker 4: it and you know it's gotten okay, but like it

2:44 Speaker 4: needs a lot of work, and we've got.

2:45 Speaker 3: Another one and out to another.

2:49 Speaker 4: We've got a band in New Zealand of all places

2:52 Speaker 4: looking at it one and obviously there's a time difference.

2:55 Speaker 4: You've got a factor in and yeah, you know, and

2:59 Speaker 4: we sent it to them and do it light right,

3:00 Speaker 4: we'll have a look.

3:01 Speaker 3: I know, it's only a couple of weeks ago.

3:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I checked in and they were like nothing yet, okay,

3:08 Speaker 4: all right, and it's coming up to Christmas and people

3:12 Speaker 4: get busy and of course I don't think we'll have

3:16 Speaker 4: anything impact from people until January and then okay, so

3:21 Speaker 4: the timelines like sort of change a little bit and

3:23 Speaker 4: you're sort of going through all.

3:24 Speaker 3: This in your head. Yeah, you really want to put

3:27 Speaker 3: something else out because everything, everything that we've.

3:31 Speaker 4: Done, like you're getting a little bit of a role

3:33 Speaker 4: and you're.

3:33 Speaker 3: Saying, okay, this is this is you know, the way,

3:37 Speaker 3: a good way of releasing things and a good way

3:39 Speaker 3: of you know, the way a band should work.

3:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind I kind of chuckled, because I remember

3:45 Speaker 2: when we had you on the first time, you were

3:46 Speaker 2: talking about how there was you had one instance where

3:48 Speaker 2: you would send somebody, you would send a vocalist a

3:51 Speaker 2: song to work on, and like six months went by

3:54 Speaker 2: and they still hadn't gotten the act to you what

3:57 Speaker 2: they had done, and you finally had to move on.

3:59 Speaker 2: And from what I call I don't remember what song

4:01 Speaker 2: it was, but from what I remember you saying, it

4:03 Speaker 2: all worked out for the best because then you found

4:05 Speaker 2: another vocalist who just did a fantastic job on it

4:08 Speaker 2: and the song came out better than you imagined it anyway.

4:10 Speaker 1: But so it kind of all worked out.

4:12 Speaker 2: But it can be frustrating when you're depending on other people,

4:15 Speaker 2: you know, to do their part.

4:16 Speaker 1: And then you get back to here, right, Yeah, that's the.

4:19 Speaker 4: One that's going to be released in January. Oh, So

4:25 Speaker 4: we found someone who was like really receptive to it,

4:28 Speaker 4: and he really wanted to get involved and he wanted

4:30 Speaker 4: to do some music on it, and you know, we

4:33 Speaker 4: went back and forth and he said, let me try

4:35 Speaker 4: something like this, and he's doing quite.

4:37 Speaker 3: A lot of the work, which is brilliant.

4:39 Speaker 4: You know that we want people to be engaged with it,

4:42 Speaker 4: and it works out so much, so much better when

4:46 Speaker 4: people are coming back and forth and we really like,

4:49 Speaker 4: we like them to go, can we try this instead

4:53 Speaker 4: of this?

4:54 Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, yeah, let's.

4:56 Speaker 4: Let's say, because that's what a collaboration should be, just

5:00 Speaker 4: sending it should be, just sending a song out and

5:03 Speaker 4: words coming back and we go, okay, we'll use those words.

5:06 Speaker 3: Yeah.

5:06 Speaker 2: So would you so yeah, would you say this is

5:09 Speaker 2: would you say this has been your busiest period with

5:11 Speaker 2: the thoughts?

5:12 Speaker 3: Oh for sure, Yeah, for sure.

5:14 Speaker 4: Yeah. We don't really know anything different, to be honest,

5:18 Speaker 4: because like we're still such I say, we're an immature band,

5:24 Speaker 4: like we've we did the Don't Argue projects and that

5:26 Speaker 4: was just was like regurgitating stuff that.

5:29 Speaker 3: We did like twenty five years ago.

5:31 Speaker 4: Sure, we still had to we still had to find

5:33 Speaker 4: people to do that, and that's that's what took the time, right.

5:37 Speaker 4: And then then when we released Shopping and the ineffectual

5:41 Speaker 4: Shopping was an old song, we yeah, all old band

5:48 Speaker 4: didn't want to use so it got released like in

5:51 Speaker 4: the two thousands, so late nineties, and when when all

5:58 Speaker 4: wanting to re re record other things from that period,

6:03 Speaker 4: Like he was with a different band and they put

6:07 Speaker 4: out a remote album John Covid and Shopping Shopping didn't

6:11 Speaker 4: make that cut for whatever reason, and so he.

6:15 Speaker 3: Says, right, let's do it.

6:16 Speaker 4: Let's put a Fotts take on it.

6:17 Speaker 3: And we did that. So the song was already there.

6:19 Speaker 4: We just like found a a vocalist, Laura, who did

6:26 Speaker 4: an amazing job. Like I tweaked the words a little bit,

6:30 Speaker 4: he bumped up the music a little bit, and then

6:33 Speaker 4: that was that and then the ineffectuals. It was just

6:37 Speaker 4: like so quick because he put the music down and

6:42 Speaker 4: it started off with his words and that's basically all

6:46 Speaker 4: his stuff, so there was really nothing for me to do.

6:49 Speaker 3: And he was like, I don't like this. I don't

6:50 Speaker 3: like these words. Will you change them?

6:53 Speaker 4: So I changed them as we went along. So I

6:56 Speaker 4: was writing as Joe was going back, and Joe like,

7:00 Speaker 4: you know, sender take it, and I go, his vocals

7:04 Speaker 4: are always amazing, and I go, like, askedufs terrible, So

7:08 Speaker 4: we needed to like, you know, make it better to

7:12 Speaker 4: fit his vocals. As we went along, so and Joe

7:16 Speaker 4: just turned the things around in a couple of days,

7:17 Speaker 4: like he was incredible to work with. So me or

7:21 Speaker 4: we're like, we've got to match this. So we had

7:25 Speaker 4: to really really level up our game. And so the

7:28 Speaker 4: willards sort of came out. They don't they don't really

7:31 Speaker 4: mean anything.

7:31 Speaker 3: It's like it's one of those things where you can.

7:34 Speaker 4: Say, oh, he's talking about it, so he's talking about that,

7:37 Speaker 4: I'm not really I'm trying to fit something in together

7:41 Speaker 4: in quite a short amount of time. And if it

7:44 Speaker 4: comes out, if it comes out to some someone thinks this,

7:47 Speaker 4: this is what he's talking about. That's brilliant. That's that's

7:49 Speaker 4: how I want it. I want it to be interpreted

7:52 Speaker 4: how you want to interpret right, right, just just like

7:57 Speaker 4: good words, and that's how I try and write my

8:01 Speaker 4: words anyway, like stuff that sounds.

8:05 Speaker 3: Like it belongs together.

8:07 Speaker 4: Right. So, so after the ineffectuals were done, we had

8:11 Speaker 4: like I've got you know, it's basically poetry. So you

8:16 Speaker 4: write poetry and then see what happens. See if there's

8:21 Speaker 4: a a lyric or some sort of guitar or you know,

8:28 Speaker 4: some sort of beat which goes with those lyrics, with

8:31 Speaker 4: those pubems. So these all.

8:35 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, so I so just to clarify too for

8:38 Speaker 2: a listener. So, so these all start with you, like

8:42 Speaker 2: you said, you're you're you're coming up with the words,

8:44 Speaker 2: and that's that's where all of these begin. Right, That's

8:47 Speaker 2: that's like the that's like the one thing that everything

8:49 Speaker 2: that the Fodds does as a collective, that's the one

8:52 Speaker 2: thing that that is the through line.

8:53 Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, it's it's my it will always be my words. Yeah,

8:59 Speaker 3: and in my head.

9:02 Speaker 4: You can try and put them to a beat or

9:05 Speaker 4: a tempo or a and then I put them in

9:09 Speaker 4: like a shared folder. Yeah, and I'll have a look

9:13 Speaker 4: at them, and he'll go, oh, I've got this. I've

9:16 Speaker 4: got this line that I wrote on the guitar. See

9:19 Speaker 4: if you can put anything together or what he's doing

9:23 Speaker 4: at the moment with one. Because I've said I've got

9:25 Speaker 4: these lyrics, he says, I've got something in my head.

9:28 Speaker 3: I'm going to try and you know, flesh that out

9:31 Speaker 3: and use these lyrics for it.

9:33 Speaker 4: So they're always a little bit you know, individual, they're

9:37 Speaker 4: was a little bit different, but it's basically him and

9:41 Speaker 4: I like trying to balance what each of us has

9:45 Speaker 4: come up with.

9:46 Speaker 1: Right.

9:48 Speaker 2: We should talk a little bit too about how this

9:50 Speaker 2: all works, because for for listeners, especially people listening to

9:55 Speaker 2: the show who maybe didn't hear our previous conversation I

9:58 Speaker 2: think I had said to you. To me, it seems

9:59 Speaker 2: like like the Fods, it's not so much a band,

10:03 Speaker 2: it's a collective, right, because you work with all these

10:05 Speaker 2: different people. So someone who doesn't know that might be

10:09 Speaker 2: confused about Wait a minute. You know, you're sending tracks

10:11 Speaker 2: to this person and waiting for them to get back

10:13 Speaker 2: to you with this, and you've got this other person

10:15 Speaker 2: you're you're working with, So this is I mean, and

10:18 Speaker 2: it's it's worked this way for a while, right, Like

10:20 Speaker 2: you you essentially you work with a lot of different

10:23 Speaker 2: different people. I mean obviously some of the same people too, right,

10:26 Speaker 2: But but but you work with with a lot of

10:28 Speaker 2: people on these tracks. They all start the same way, right,

10:31 Speaker 2: They all start with your lyrics. But what happens after that,

10:36 Speaker 2: each each song kind of kind of has its own, uh,

10:39 Speaker 2: its own path, shall we say?

10:41 Speaker 3: Yeah?

10:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, each one has its own life. Yeah, and

10:45 Speaker 4: that sort of depends on who we choose to to

10:50 Speaker 4: get involved with because everyone works differently, so some people,

10:56 Speaker 4: you know, like to spend the time and take it

11:00 Speaker 4: a bit of effort and you know, work work with

11:04 Speaker 4: it how they want to work with it. And some

11:07 Speaker 4: people just want to bang it out and do what

11:10 Speaker 4: they think.

11:11 Speaker 3: Is right and move on to the next thing.

11:12 Speaker 4: So everyone works differently, So we don't really know if

11:16 Speaker 4: we will send it out to a vocalist and we

11:21 Speaker 4: don't really know what they're going to send back, right,

11:24 Speaker 4: And that that that's half the joy of it, to

11:26 Speaker 4: be honest. Like, there's a there's a song on They

11:30 Speaker 4: Don't Argue EP. It's called Volumes of Silence, and I

11:33 Speaker 4: love it. I think it's a really good song. And

11:36 Speaker 4: we did that, wrote those songs like when we were

11:40 Speaker 4: teenagers at school and I don't I don't really I

11:45 Speaker 4: was out of the music for twenty odd years. I

11:48 Speaker 4: don't really remember writing that song. I don't really remember

11:50 Speaker 4: how it sounded. When we put it together in twenty

11:55 Speaker 4: twenty four when we were doing the Don't Argue EP,

12:00 Speaker 4: I was like to well, I was like, I know

12:03 Speaker 4: this is a good song, but I don't really remember

12:05 Speaker 4: how I mean, he played it and we were like okay,

12:08 Speaker 4: like and we built it and we had it good

12:11 Speaker 4: enough to send out to a vocalist.

12:14 Speaker 3: We found this guy from the band j h H.

12:18 Speaker 3: It's called Jeff. He had this like.

12:24 Speaker 4: If you sort of think back to you know, I'm

12:26 Speaker 4: from originally from Manchester in the UK, and he had

12:29 Speaker 4: that sort of you know Ian Brown James sort of vibe,

12:34 Speaker 4: you know, like he he sounded like he could have

12:37 Speaker 4: been from that era.

12:40 Speaker 3: We're like, okay, we'll try him. And he came back

12:42 Speaker 3: and he did it.

12:44 Speaker 4: So differently than what we thought he would do it really,

12:49 Speaker 4: and we were like, it's amazing, it's brilliant.

12:53 Speaker 3: It's different. That's it's like the whole process. That's like

12:56 Speaker 3: the whole thing. And there's been a couple that come

12:58 Speaker 3: back and we've gone, oh, no, like what do we

13:00 Speaker 3: do this? It's really it's really not what we wanted.

13:05 Speaker 4: And I really like they've done it in the wrong

13:07 Speaker 4: key or they done it like so we have to

13:10 Speaker 4: then make that decision. Do you do you go back

13:12 Speaker 4: and talk to them and say, right, we know you

13:15 Speaker 4: we gave you a bit of a free reign here,

13:17 Speaker 4: but we don't also like you to change this a

13:21 Speaker 4: little bit and change this a little bit and building

13:25 Speaker 4: building that way and most people are quite they're open

13:30 Speaker 4: to that. They don't mind being told what to do.

13:34 Speaker 4: What was there was one guy is like, I think

13:36 Speaker 4: it should be done like this, probably, don't.

13:41 Speaker 3: You know, You've you've got.

13:41 Speaker 4: To be quite diplomatic and you've got to be quite

13:45 Speaker 4: you know, sensitive to other artists feelings as well, because

13:48 Speaker 4: they're putting their time, they're putting their time and their

13:51 Speaker 4: energy and not pain. You know, they're not getting any

13:54 Speaker 4: you know, not giving them a thousand dollars every time

13:57 Speaker 4: they some lyrics for us. Right, So it's always a

14:02 Speaker 4: fine balance and we've got to be happy and they've

14:04 Speaker 4: got to be happy. And like we as we've gone

14:07 Speaker 4: out to artists, we we've sort of made that clear

14:10 Speaker 4: in the in the stuff that we send out to them.

14:14 Speaker 4: We stay right, would love you to do this. But

14:17 Speaker 4: if you're not happy, if we're not happy, you know,

14:20 Speaker 4: we you know.

14:21 Speaker 3: We can shake hands and walk away from it.

14:24 Speaker 4: And we've got because now we've got like a little

14:27 Speaker 4: bit of you know, we're on our seven to eight

14:33 Speaker 4: song with nearly up to you know, doing an album. Yeah,

14:37 Speaker 4: because we've got that behind us. Now we've got a

14:38 Speaker 4: bit more confidence and we've got and we we have

14:41 Speaker 4: the sort of ability to say to them.

14:44 Speaker 3: It's I would say, not good enough. It's it needs

14:48 Speaker 3: to be different, it needs to go a different way.

14:52 Speaker 3: So it's exciting.

14:53 Speaker 4: And these last we're up to seven songs that are

14:59 Speaker 4: completely and we want to put a song album out

15:04 Speaker 4: at the end, at the end of Q one, oh excellent.

15:08 Speaker 3: And it's been it's been something that always wants to do.

15:11 Speaker 4: It's like, uh, you know, it's it's really something that

15:17 Speaker 4: he's passionate about and say, right for him personally putting

15:21 Speaker 4: an album out after you know.

15:23 Speaker 3: Years and years of writing songs and music, it's going

15:26 Speaker 3: to it's going to be really something.

15:28 Speaker 4: I'm really hoping that it's going to be great for him.

15:32 Speaker 4: I just want to make sure that what we put out,

15:37 Speaker 4: you know, in the ten track format, however it's going

15:39 Speaker 4: to look like, is it's what he wants.

15:42 Speaker 2: So I would imagine I would imagine too that there

15:45 Speaker 2: must be a challenge inherent in that. I mean, you know,

15:49 Speaker 2: I know it's you're not you're not at the stage

15:51 Speaker 2: out of probably thinking about the order of the tracks

15:54 Speaker 2: or anything, I would assume, but when you when you

15:56 Speaker 2: do get to that point, because because of of the

16:00 Speaker 2: way this project works, and like I said, it's more

16:02 Speaker 2: of a collective than a band. So each song, you know,

16:05 Speaker 2: you've got different vocalists, you've got different you know, each

16:07 Speaker 2: song kind of really takes on its own character because

16:10 Speaker 2: when you're putting an album together, artists try to approach

16:14 Speaker 2: it like, Okay, there has to be you know, regardless

16:17 Speaker 2: of when or how these songs were written or how

16:20 Speaker 2: they were recorded, et cetera, there has to be some

16:22 Speaker 2: sort of cohesion that that kind of binds all these

16:26 Speaker 2: songs together. And I wonder, I mean, are you already

16:30 Speaker 2: thinking about the challenge of that. I mean, obviously there's

16:33 Speaker 2: a through line, right because they all start the same way.

16:35 Speaker 2: They all start with you and your words. So maybe

16:38 Speaker 2: that maybe that's the answer, Maybe that's the through line,

16:41 Speaker 2: But I don't know, I mean, are you are you

16:42 Speaker 2: already thinking about that?

16:44 Speaker 1: At this point?

16:46 Speaker 4: We have and we we sort of throw it out

16:49 Speaker 4: there and you know, when a song gets completed, so

16:52 Speaker 4: we've got like a seven track list of the moment, okay,

16:58 Speaker 4: and as the two ball are very different, So what

17:03 Speaker 4: you're saying is that absolutely correct.

17:07 Speaker 3: We can't decide on what track to open with.

17:12 Speaker 4: We've pretty much decided what track to close with, and

17:16 Speaker 4: then there's you know, everything that goes on in the middle.

17:19 Speaker 4: And I think we'll probably only know this once the

17:25 Speaker 4: ten tracks have been finished. You know, we'll see I

17:31 Speaker 4: know it can be an important thing. And we do

17:33 Speaker 4: want to do physical albums, you know, we do want

17:37 Speaker 4: to you know, put this as an old fashioned LP,

17:41 Speaker 4: like five songs on one side, five songs on the other.

17:43 Speaker 3: So they've got to be logical from that perspective. Yeah,

17:48 Speaker 3: at the moment, You're absolutely right, they aren't logical.

17:52 Speaker 4: And I'm not saying I'm worried about it, like I'm

17:55 Speaker 4: going to get ten songs on an album and it's

17:57 Speaker 4: going to be we are going to be good. It

18:03 Speaker 4: is a challenge for us, It's it's a it's an

18:05 Speaker 4: interesting challenge, the one that we've never had to face

18:09 Speaker 4: before because I don't argue projects. Was just like, we

18:13 Speaker 4: know the order because that's the order that we used

18:16 Speaker 4: to play them live when we live every Yeah.

18:20 Speaker 3: So we knew kick that was going to be in

18:22 Speaker 3: the middle.

18:22 Speaker 4: We're going to know that Metal Dog is the opener,

18:26 Speaker 4: and so that's how we did it then, because that's

18:28 Speaker 4: what made sense to us this.

18:31 Speaker 3: You know, we've not played one one of these songs live.

18:35 Speaker 3: Maybe that will change.

18:36 Speaker 4: I don't know, but it's it's something that we have

18:41 Speaker 4: thought about. And every time a song, even even if

18:44 Speaker 4: it doesn't complete, you can sort of see where it's

18:47 Speaker 4: going when it's like in mid flow, and we can

18:52 Speaker 4: we can slide this in between these two songs that

18:54 Speaker 4: that could make a difference. So when we go through this,

18:59 Speaker 4: he sends me, what's happened, he says, this is my

19:01 Speaker 4: seventh song order. Yeah, yeah, no, no, So it will

19:10 Speaker 4: be a conversation that we will have in probably February

19:13 Speaker 4: or March.

19:14 Speaker 1: Yeah.

19:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, something too that I don't think we touched on

19:18 Speaker 2: this the last time when you were on the show

19:21 Speaker 2: before us. But I don't think we talked about distribution,

19:24 Speaker 2: because I'm curious now you don't you don't have the

19:26 Speaker 2: fons is not on Spotify, correct.

19:30 Speaker 4: We we were having problems with them, okay. A few

19:36 Speaker 4: other artists have said the same thing to us. So

19:39 Speaker 4: we were on Spotify okay, and.

19:41 Speaker 3: We're doing okay. And I don't know what caused it.

19:46 Speaker 3: I don't know if if.

19:48 Speaker 4: You or anyone else out there who has been through

19:50 Speaker 4: issues with Spotify, they don't really want to talk to you.

19:54 Speaker 4: They'll talk to your distribution, right, and the distribution will

19:58 Speaker 4: come and talk to us.

20:00 Speaker 3: And every month Spotify would.

20:03 Speaker 4: Not like what's in huge numbers like two thousand or

20:07 Speaker 4: fifteen hundred or two thousand.

20:10 Speaker 3: Streams. Yeah, particularly the ineffectuals.

20:14 Speaker 1: Oh okay, And so you.

20:17 Speaker 4: Know, we we weren't doing anything with We just put

20:21 Speaker 4: it out there and let it and I was always

20:24 Speaker 4: you know, sending links and sending stuff, but you know,

20:28 Speaker 4: we don't buy and downloads or.

20:31 Speaker 3: Anything like that.

20:32 Speaker 4: We we try and produce it organically or try and

20:37 Speaker 4: but we tried to. So after every month, you know,

20:41 Speaker 4: Spotify will go two thousand streams off gone, and we

20:46 Speaker 4: don't go distributing, and they'd.

20:48 Speaker 3: Say, oh, you're.

20:50 Speaker 4: Either getting on playlists that aren't you know, genuine.

20:55 Speaker 3: Or the bot run or whatever.

20:58 Speaker 4: And so after six months of this, we were just like,

21:02 Speaker 4: it's just not worth.

21:03 Speaker 3: It because you're fighting like a huge conglomerate. Oh yeah,

21:09 Speaker 3: there's there's nothing really could do. So there was just

21:12 Speaker 3: no real point. And when we.

21:15 Speaker 4: Left Spotify, the Ineffectuals had seven thousand streams. Whi's not

21:21 Speaker 4: bad in itself it's okay. Yeah, our Spotify rapped came

21:26 Speaker 4: out even though we were off Spotify, and I have

21:28 Speaker 4: not been on since since August. Yeah, they said, and

21:36 Speaker 4: our Spotify rapped that our biggest song of twenty twenty

21:39 Speaker 4: six was the Ineffectuals, which had been streamed thirty three

21:42 Speaker 4: thousand times real, So they right, So they have just

21:49 Speaker 4: you know, sort of admitted, and I put a post

21:51 Speaker 4: on there and I was I was a bit angry,

21:53 Speaker 4: and maybe I should have, but as I said, like

21:57 Speaker 4: in your vanity parade, that is Spotify, I raped, you've

22:01 Speaker 4: admitted that we had thirty three thousand genuine streams and

22:06 Speaker 4: that's what's in our Spotify rap. But we when we

22:08 Speaker 4: came off your platform. You called every single month and

22:12 Speaker 4: it stands to seven thousand, and.

22:15 Speaker 3: We didn't have any comeback. We couldn't ask the question.

22:18 Speaker 3: Our distributor was scared of Spotify. They don't want to

22:22 Speaker 3: talk to them because we've got so.

22:24 Speaker 4: Much power, And we were like, it doesn't really matter

22:26 Speaker 4: to us, right, It's great that we were getting stream

22:29 Speaker 4: and it's great that people were.

22:31 Speaker 3: Listening to it, right every time, every time, you know.

22:35 Speaker 4: We we tried to interact with them, or we tried

22:37 Speaker 4: to understand why they were treating us like this, and

22:42 Speaker 4: like basically what had happened is at the start of

22:46 Speaker 4: every month Spotify would say, oh, even, you know, fifty

22:52 Speaker 4: cents from your your streaming right, but we're going to

22:57 Speaker 4: knock two thousand streams off, so you down to like

23:02 Speaker 4: ten SAIDs or you.

23:03 Speaker 3: Ows money or something like that. It was. It was

23:06 Speaker 3: just brutal. Every month we were like, oh, what they're

23:08 Speaker 3: going to do this month?

23:09 Speaker 4: So we don't really we're not in this for the money,

23:12 Speaker 4: in this for the streams, like hopefully we get people

23:15 Speaker 4: to listen to us, hopefully don't like it. Yeah, but

23:17 Speaker 4: you know, we're at the end of the day, we're

23:19 Speaker 4: really doing it for you know, to get this album

23:22 Speaker 4: out and to make sure that what we put out

23:25 Speaker 4: continues to be quality.

23:27 Speaker 3: And since we've.

23:28 Speaker 4: Come off, we're not we're not sitting there like looking

23:31 Speaker 4: at streams and we're not worried about it.

23:33 Speaker 3: And it doesn't matter when the first of the month

23:35 Speaker 3: comes around and right, you know.

23:37 Speaker 4: There's nothing there to to to do. So I don't

23:41 Speaker 4: know if people I don't really follow it, to be honest,

23:43 Speaker 4: I don't know if people are listening on Apple or

23:46 Speaker 4: these are or wherever else. Sure, on everything else, so

23:51 Speaker 4: you can still get it.

23:52 Speaker 1: But like, of course, yeah, you know, Spotify is.

23:55 Speaker 3: Just such a they're not going to be bothered at

23:58 Speaker 3: we're not on it. It's going to make zero difference,

24:03 Speaker 3: right right. It saves us just like the.

24:08 Speaker 4: The thoughts and people have been very supportive about it

24:10 Speaker 4: and come back and said, like, I wish we could

24:13 Speaker 4: do this, but we need I think it's you know

24:16 Speaker 4: a lot of people still think that, you know, our

24:20 Speaker 4: song could make it. You know, it could get a

24:21 Speaker 4: hundred thousand streams, it could get a million streams.

24:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, do it, you know, do what's right for you.

24:29 Speaker 4: For us, you know, I don't think we're ever going

24:33 Speaker 4: to get a hundred thousand streams or a million streams.

24:35 Speaker 4: You never know.

24:36 Speaker 3: But if they do, they can go to you know,

24:38 Speaker 3: any other platform forther than Spotify. So it's just a

24:42 Speaker 3: little stance.

24:43 Speaker 4: Yeah, it will make no difference, but it's made us

24:46 Speaker 4: feel better.

24:47 Speaker 1: Sure.

24:47 Speaker 2: Sure, Well it's difficult because you're in a position where,

24:51 Speaker 2: you know, and this is kind of the position that

24:52 Speaker 2: everybody's in in a sense, is that we're all sort

24:55 Speaker 2: of at the mercy of you know, it comes with

24:58 Speaker 2: big tech. And don't get me wrong, I love I

25:00 Speaker 2: love tech, and I love that we have all these

25:03 Speaker 2: resources that we didn't have when I was growing up

25:05 Speaker 2: and so forth. But you know, you're really at the

25:11 Speaker 2: mercy of these platforms, you know, no matter what you're doing.

25:14 Speaker 2: Like for example, I wasn't able to stream you know,

25:17 Speaker 2: I like to stream this show to Facebook when I'm live.

25:20 Speaker 2: I wasn't able to do that for a month because

25:22 Speaker 2: I was banned from live streaming.

25:24 Speaker 4: And and and.

25:26 Speaker 1: They don't like to tell you why. They don't.

25:29 Speaker 2: They like to tell you that you did something wrong

25:31 Speaker 2: and so you're banned from And it was the only

25:33 Speaker 2: thing I was banned from. My account wasn't banned or anything.

25:35 Speaker 2: I just was banned from streaming. They like to tell

25:38 Speaker 2: you that you can't do this anymore for a while,

25:40 Speaker 2: but they don't like to tell you why. You know,

25:43 Speaker 2: it'd be nice to know why, so then I can

25:44 Speaker 2: avoid doing it again, But they don't like to tell

25:46 Speaker 2: you that. But we're all kind of at the mercy

25:48 Speaker 2: of you know, And they don't like to talk to you,

25:50 Speaker 2: just like Spotify doesn't like to talk to you. Facebook

25:52 Speaker 2: doesn't like to talk to you either. I'm amazed that

25:54 Speaker 2: I was able to get as much information as I did.

25:56 Speaker 2: You know, YouTube doesn't like to talk to you unless

25:59 Speaker 2: you're you know, unless you have you know, a million subscribers.

26:02 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, we're all kind of at the mercy

26:05 Speaker 1: of that.

26:07 Speaker 4: Like there's so many you know, radio shows and podcasts,

26:13 Speaker 4: and they like to tag bands on there, so the

26:18 Speaker 4: band actually knows that they're going to get played, which

26:20 Speaker 4: is really nice for the band. It's really nice for

26:22 Speaker 4: the for the podcast or for the radio show because

26:25 Speaker 4: they'll get you know, a listener for that hopefully. And

26:29 Speaker 4: if you can't tag something, you just don't know. So

26:33 Speaker 4: even trying to find out, you know, if you do

26:37 Speaker 4: okay on radio, it's not easy. You know, you've got

26:40 Speaker 4: to you've got to really you know, hunts for stats,

26:44 Speaker 4: and you know, we we use sort of I try

26:48 Speaker 4: and use what's called Online Box Radio and they do

26:51 Speaker 4: a few stats every now and then and they show

26:55 Speaker 4: which radio stations played it. But I'd say probably only

26:59 Speaker 4: twenty five sense of the radio stations actually subscribe to

27:04 Speaker 4: online Box, so you're not getting a full picture, right.

27:07 Speaker 4: And the one thing, the one thing with Spotify and

27:10 Speaker 4: they did it so cleverly is they show you exactly

27:13 Speaker 4: what is. You know, what's being played, and you can

27:17 Speaker 4: see that you've had, like, you know, ten streams or

27:19 Speaker 4: one hundred streams, and you know, it gives you a

27:22 Speaker 4: little bit of visibility around what you're actually doing.

27:27 Speaker 3: And I've read.

27:28 Speaker 4: I've read something the other day.

27:32 Speaker 3: You know, if you're not getting those streams, it's what

27:35 Speaker 3: stops you making music. And I thought it was really

27:39 Speaker 3: quite poignant that you're not doing it for yourself, you're

27:43 Speaker 3: doing it for other people. And I think you've you've

27:45 Speaker 3: really got to be making music for yourself. And once

27:47 Speaker 3: you get into that mindset, it doesn't really matter what

27:50 Speaker 3: goes externally.

27:53 Speaker 4: You know, you can do whatever you want and if

27:54 Speaker 4: you want to play gigs, you can play gigs. And

27:56 Speaker 4: if you want to, you know, set a goal for

27:58 Speaker 4: stream and you can do that or get on radio.

28:01 Speaker 3: Well, if you're not.

28:02 Speaker 4: Doing it for yourself first and foremost, then it doesn't

28:06 Speaker 4: really make too much sense to be doing it, because

28:09 Speaker 4: if you can't make yourself happy when you're doing it,

28:11 Speaker 4: it's got to be a joyful experience just making music.

28:14 Speaker 4: And it's one of the things that we talked about

28:16 Speaker 4: when we said, like we'll come off spot because it

28:20 Speaker 4: was just making things that a little.

28:22 Speaker 3: Bit too much harder. And we've got you know, we've

28:23 Speaker 3: both got day jobs.

28:24 Speaker 4: We spend them all our time, you know, chasing up

28:29 Speaker 4: and figuring out what's going on.

28:30 Speaker 3: And we're just like, you know, want to try and put.

28:32 Speaker 4: It out there, yeah and move on and like say, yeah,

28:37 Speaker 4: that was a really good song. We had a great

28:38 Speaker 4: experience with this this guy who sang it with us.

28:41 Speaker 4: We'll try and replicate that and the next time we

28:43 Speaker 4: go and then you know, we go again for another song.

28:45 Speaker 4: And the model, which we have absolutely stumbled upon because

28:51 Speaker 4: we don't know what we were going to be doing.

28:53 Speaker 3: It works well for us.

28:54 Speaker 4: So it's just like it's a good hobby from I

28:58 Speaker 4: get home from work and you know, I sit down

29:00 Speaker 4: for a couple of hours. If I could do it

29:02 Speaker 4: all on my phone and I can distribute to radio shows, yeah,

29:06 Speaker 4: find different contacts that may be able to help. And

29:12 Speaker 4: I don't know, like people may be getting a bit

29:13 Speaker 4: annoyed with me, but I spent quite a lot, spend

29:16 Speaker 4: quite a lot of time like sending emails out and saying,

29:19 Speaker 4: you know, here's.

29:20 Speaker 3: A song which we think maybe maybe a good fit

29:23 Speaker 3: to your radio station.

29:24 Speaker 1: That's what it takes.

29:25 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's the way we do it. Now.

29:30 Speaker 2: I can relate to what you were saying about radio

29:32 Speaker 2: because so one of the things that I do in

29:35 Speaker 2: my business, I'm a college radio promoter. So clients hire

29:37 Speaker 2: me to send their music out to college radio stations,

29:40 Speaker 2: and I do all the follow up and the tracking

29:42 Speaker 2: and everything and that. But the tracking is the most

29:45 Speaker 2: challenging part because a lot of these stations don't report

29:49 Speaker 2: to any kind of a service. So the only way

29:51 Speaker 2: I know for sure, you know, is when the when

29:55 Speaker 2: somebody at the radio station, the music director or the

29:57 Speaker 2: program director confirms directly with me that yes, we've we

30:00 Speaker 2: have this track in rotation. Okay, can you give me

30:03 Speaker 2: a spin count? The answer most of the time is no.

30:08 Speaker 1: You know, but when we can, we.

30:11 Speaker 2: Can tell you if it's in you know, heavy rotation

30:14 Speaker 2: or light rotation or whatever. But it's But it's the

30:17 Speaker 2: single most reliable way is just getting that information directly

30:20 Speaker 2: from the station because there's so many you know, it

30:22 Speaker 2: used to be easier too. There used to be college

30:24 Speaker 2: music Journal, which technically still exists, but not in its

30:27 Speaker 2: old form, and you know, you could get information through them,

30:30 Speaker 2: but now that you know that went away, they completely

30:33 Speaker 2: changed how they do it. They don't really do what

30:34 Speaker 2: they used to do. And now there's all these different

30:36 Speaker 2: services that you can subscribe to. But it's it's more difficult.

30:41 Speaker 2: Like it's easier in one sense to find services that

30:44 Speaker 2: report whether your music is being played at different stations,

30:48 Speaker 2: but it's hard to find one service that reports all

30:52 Speaker 2: of it. And and then to you know, and and

30:56 Speaker 2: actually and and some of these radio stations. They're just

30:58 Speaker 2: like the big tech company. They don't want to necessarily

31:01 Speaker 2: talk to you either.

31:04 Speaker 4: That's all taking a leaf out of Spotify and Big Text.

31:08 Speaker 4: You know, stands the If big tech won't talk to.

31:12 Speaker 2: You, right, right, why should w E R s in Boston,

31:17 Speaker 2: why should they talk to me either? You know, and

31:21 Speaker 2: they do but you know, but but but you mentioned

31:23 Speaker 2: it too. You have to be persistent, right, and that's

31:26 Speaker 2: that's really what it takes. You have to be persistent.

31:29 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we we send an email out.

31:35 Speaker 3: For every release.

31:37 Speaker 4: And one of our problems is as well, so we

31:41 Speaker 4: we we've got a list. I don't know how.

31:42 Speaker 3: Many email addresses are on it.

31:45 Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel guilty. I feel I do feel quite guilty,

31:48 Speaker 4: but I know that it's kind of happen. So we

31:52 Speaker 4: send send this out and it takes like a few

31:54 Speaker 4: hours to send to every radio station. Well, we we

32:01 Speaker 4: don't stick to one genre. Oh you know, some of

32:06 Speaker 4: our stuff was a little bit heavier.

32:07 Speaker 3: Some of it.

32:09 Speaker 4: You know, it's come out as a bit bluesy. You know,

32:11 Speaker 4: there's punkin there. So every time we do a different song,

32:19 Speaker 4: you know you're looking for so, you know, for I

32:23 Speaker 4: get blamed, I was trying to send it out to

32:25 Speaker 4: punk stations if that's such a thing, you know, like

32:29 Speaker 4: a little bit more punky, right, and fanzines and podcasts

32:34 Speaker 4: and all that sort of stuff. And then after I

32:38 Speaker 4: get blamed, we released is very much enough And that

32:42 Speaker 4: is definitely not a punk song, you know. That's that

32:45 Speaker 4: that's a little bit moody and a bit bluesy and

32:48 Speaker 4: a bit ballady, and it's very different for what we

32:52 Speaker 4: what we again sort of set out to do. We

32:55 Speaker 4: know we wanted to do something a little bit different

32:59 Speaker 4: and for us, like being different is great. But when

33:02 Speaker 4: we send that song to the punk channel that we

33:04 Speaker 4: sent to last week, they're like, what is this you

33:07 Speaker 4: just sent us? We can't play this, And I'm like, well,

33:11 Speaker 4: I class ourselves as, like in the Massive Inverted Comments,

33:16 Speaker 4: a punk rock band. And if you have a look

33:19 Speaker 4: at the term of punk, it's basically anything, you know,

33:23 Speaker 4: like it's not like sticking to conformity and like playing

33:29 Speaker 4: two courts, you know, like.

33:31 Speaker 1: Right, of course it can be.

33:33 Speaker 3: Punk can be pretty much anything.

33:34 Speaker 4: And listen, you listen to a band like the Clash,

33:38 Speaker 4: an original punk band, you know what, the biggest punk

33:41 Speaker 4: band around probably and you know, they do Clypso music

33:46 Speaker 4: and they do Middle Eastern music and they've done all

33:49 Speaker 4: sorts and it's just like punk can't be just you

33:53 Speaker 4: know what is stereotypically thought of like a punk song.

33:56 Speaker 4: It's like a short two minute blast, right, And so

34:02 Speaker 4: I know that we're sending you a blue song, you know,

34:04 Speaker 4: give it, give it a try. You don't have to

34:06 Speaker 4: play it, you know, and the next one will probably

34:09 Speaker 4: be more punk, right. But like some people come by

34:12 Speaker 4: and just so you know, on subscribed, delete me from

34:16 Speaker 4: this playlist.

34:17 Speaker 3: You know, some are quite thanks for this, but I

34:20 Speaker 3: can't play this.

34:21 Speaker 4: That's fine, you don't. You don't need to play everything,

34:24 Speaker 4: you know, everything's a little bit different.

34:26 Speaker 2: I actually I feel I feel like the what you have,

34:30 Speaker 2: I mean, it does all you can put it all

34:31 Speaker 2: in the broader category of indie rock. I feel like,

34:34 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, it all fits that certainly.

34:38 Speaker 4: That's exactly what we if we do market That's what

34:45 Speaker 4: we market ourselves as an indie punk crop band.

34:47 Speaker 3: So we're sort of straddling genres, you know, and that's

34:52 Speaker 3: what we want to do, right And.

34:55 Speaker 4: Going back to your point about the album, we've got

34:58 Speaker 4: like a a blue song and a punk song and

35:02 Speaker 4: then shopping and the ineffectuals which are probably just indie rock.

35:07 Speaker 4: And our latest release, which is a matter of time,

35:13 Speaker 4: has got a lot of synth in it.

35:14 Speaker 3: It's got like a SyncE where at the bottom of it.

35:19 Speaker 3: So I don't I don't even know who to send

35:20 Speaker 3: that to be honest.

35:22 Speaker 4: Do we send that to Electric because it's got a

35:26 Speaker 4: bit of cyincionata are they going to like that?

35:27 Speaker 3: Yeah?

35:29 Speaker 4: Or do we send it to the punk people like

35:31 Speaker 4: It's been played on a few rock chields and I'm

35:34 Speaker 4: like that's great. Well I'm not too sure it is rock,

35:38 Speaker 4: and so I just hope people see it for what

35:43 Speaker 4: it is. It's like, what's trying to be a little

35:46 Speaker 4: bit different and not send you like the same sort

35:49 Speaker 4: of thing every time. And some people really appreciate that,

35:53 Speaker 4: and some people don't like it. Well, it is what

35:57 Speaker 4: it is.

35:58 Speaker 1: We should we should tell people too.

36:00 Speaker 2: You are on band Camp, which that's one of my

36:02 Speaker 2: favorite resources for music.

36:05 Speaker 3: It's it's a great place.

36:06 Speaker 2: Everything's on band camp and band camp too. Something a

36:09 Speaker 2: lot of people don't realize is that you get a

36:11 Speaker 2: high quality file, a high bit rate file from band

36:14 Speaker 2: Camp that you don't necessarily get. So, for example, if

36:17 Speaker 2: you're just streaming music on YouTube, you know you're better

36:20 Speaker 2: off streaming music on band Camp and downloading it from

36:23 Speaker 2: there because you're going to get a much higher quality file.

36:28 Speaker 4: I was shocked the difference. I didn't really listen to

36:31 Speaker 4: bank Camp. I knew it was out there, and then

36:37 Speaker 4: I I got sent some bank Camp stuff and I

36:42 Speaker 4: listened to it and I was like, this is brilliant.

36:44 Speaker 4: And then I put it on a Spotify playlist and

36:49 Speaker 4: it was terrible on Spotify.

36:51 Speaker 1: Yeah.

36:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, it was really my opening that

36:58 Speaker 4: that bank Camp's quality was so much better.

37:00 Speaker 1: Yeah.

37:01 Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's like I said, that's something that's something people

37:03 Speaker 2: don't realize.

37:06 Speaker 1: Rob the time does go quickly. I want to make sure.

37:08 Speaker 2: So I think we're going to end the segment when

37:10 Speaker 2: we when we wrap up in a couple of minutes

37:12 Speaker 2: with that song A matter of time. I really like

37:14 Speaker 2: that one a lot later in the show too. I

37:17 Speaker 2: might I might circle back and play a couple others

37:19 Speaker 2: if we have time, but I want to make sure

37:21 Speaker 2: because we were talking about, you know, not being on

37:24 Speaker 2: Spotify and where you are. Discoverability is a term that

37:27 Speaker 2: I use a lot. We want to make sure people

37:30 Speaker 2: do know where to find like where's the best places

37:32 Speaker 2: to go for people to find the fods and and

37:36 Speaker 2: to keep up with everything that you're doing.

37:39 Speaker 3: And you can.

37:41 Speaker 4: We're on Facebook and we're on Instagram and obviously bank

37:44 Speaker 4: camp is a good place for us, and we're on

37:49 Speaker 4: everything else apart from Spify. Yeah, just Spify that is

37:54 Speaker 4: I know it goes on for us now and there's

37:58 Speaker 4: there's gonna be some new places.

38:00 Speaker 3: I can't remember what the card off the top of

38:01 Speaker 3: my head because it's all who basically does.

38:04 Speaker 4: All the all this sort of stuff. But there's there's, there's,

38:08 Speaker 4: there's you know a bunch of new I guess they're

38:14 Speaker 4: trying to disrupt what Spotify and Apple and all these

38:18 Speaker 4: but like there's posts on our Instagram which explain it,

38:22 Speaker 4: and we're saying right now, we're not on Spotify, we'll

38:26 Speaker 4: we'll we'll try these places and the you know, the

38:29 Speaker 4: sort of people who've got.

38:32 Speaker 3: Been in the same sort of situations have got fed

38:34 Speaker 3: up with big tech.

38:36 Speaker 4: I guess I think that they're run by bands. Let

38:40 Speaker 4: me let me just have a quick look on my Instagram.

38:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, and.

38:46 Speaker 4: They were run by bands, and they said that they're gonna,

38:50 Speaker 4: you know, pay a little bit more and look after the.

38:53 Speaker 3: Bands a bit better. So we'll see what. We'll see

38:56 Speaker 3: what happens.

38:59 Speaker 4: What's foot it's what is it? So subvert subvert right,

39:06 Speaker 4: so that this is going to be like a new place.

39:10 Speaker 1: I didn't know about this, So check it out.

39:13 Speaker 4: And you know, if if new bands want to get

39:16 Speaker 4: on there, and it looks to be quite an interesting place,

39:21 Speaker 4: and what's happens. You know, anything that you know gives

39:27 Speaker 4: smaller artists a bigger platform is you know, something that

39:31 Speaker 4: we want to be involved in.

39:32 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and we always need disruptors coming into the frame.

39:37 Speaker 2: You know, and and better to have more options than less,

39:39 Speaker 2: and and and all of it too. And you know,

39:41 Speaker 2: it does get scary when when you've got something like Spotify,

39:45 Speaker 2: that that becomes so dominant and and so important, you know,

39:49 Speaker 2: you know, to the point that as as you talked

39:51 Speaker 2: about earlier, to the point where your own distributor is

39:54 Speaker 2: afraid to even challenge them on anything. You know, that's

39:57 Speaker 2: that's how powerful they are. And that's that's too much.

40:00 Speaker 2: That's that's too much power concentrated in one place.

40:04 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and you say, they're only going to get better.

40:07 Speaker 4: You see the other day Netflix Sport MGM.

40:11 Speaker 1: They bought Warner Brothers, Netflix, Warner Brothers.

40:14 Speaker 4: Yeah, how big Netflix going to be? You know, if

40:19 Speaker 4: that's happening, it's insane. The next thing Netflix, Netflix will

40:24 Speaker 4: probably buy, you know, well another story platform. Man can

40:28 Speaker 4: imagine it by Amazon or something like that. Yeah, just

40:31 Speaker 4: get bigger and bigger. So, I don't know, it's a

40:36 Speaker 4: strange and interesting place.

40:38 Speaker 1: It is. It absolutely is. Well.

40:42 Speaker 2: Listen Rob Critchley from the Thoughts. Always wonderful to talk

40:46 Speaker 2: with you. I really enjoy our conversations. We'll definitely do

40:49 Speaker 2: this again in the near future. Obviously, you've got uh,

40:52 Speaker 2: you've got more music coming, so there's always more to

40:55 Speaker 2: talk about.

40:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, when we get more, and.

41:00 Speaker 4: We'll let you know about the album and please which

41:02 Speaker 4: order we put it in, and yeah, that would be

41:05 Speaker 4: that'd be a good place to uh to talk next.

41:08 Speaker 2: I think absolutely absolutely. That sounds great. That sounds great. Yeah,

41:11 Speaker 2: so we'll we'll talk soon for sure. We're gonna let

41:14 Speaker 2: you go and I'm gonna hit this track a matter

41:16 Speaker 2: of time. Another great another great song from the Fods.

41:19 Speaker 2: We'll let you get going, but Rob, thank you so

41:21 Speaker 2: much and we'll talk to you soon.

41:23 Speaker 3: Man, I appreciate you. Makee look after yourself.

41:26 Speaker 1: All right, I will thank you, take care bye bye

41:28 Speaker 1: je all right.

41:30 Speaker 2: That is Rob Pritchley from the Fods, and I do

41:33 Speaker 2: really enjoy talking with him