Matt Connarton Unleashed 12-2-23 part 2

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1:57 Quick Matt, wait kind of a can I see a question before we get

2:00 to the Biggest News? Why are you guys moving to Saturday? Everybody's wondering.

2:06 Uh, yeah, just a little bit of a change in content strategy,

2:09 and uh it could change again in the future. We shall see.

2:13 But got a lot to do, got a lot to do during the week,

2:15 so right now this is a little easier, okay, msk ms asking

2:23 asking me, asking me get to my big news class. Another quick question,

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2:30 Because Matt, I am a big Sinatra fan? Oh the new how do

2:35 you get it? How do you get to listen to what the Flank sinatras

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2:45 it's especial that Jenny doesn't know that. By the way, by the

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3:35 love back at you. Well, you guys have a good day, and

3:38 I would call him next week. Happy holiday you guys, ex me,

3:42 me, me and Isaac. Me and Isaac love you guys, so keep

3:46 it up, all right. We appreciate all the support. Thank you,

3:49 Happy holidays, see you all right bye bye? Alrighty uh well, very

3:54 nice. Nice here from Greensboro, North Carolina, checking in hashtag I say

3:59 to you, uh six o three well done six o three two five six

4:04 seven is the studio line if you'd like to chime in six O three two

4:08 five oh six o seven. Uh. Before we get into my my favorite

4:15 duo, uh splitting up, uh, my favorite musical duo, we should

4:21 mention to just a few events coming up. Well, for one thing,

4:25 we've got the Miracle on Elm Street. Yes, the morning show is going

4:29 to be broadcasting live I believe from Bonfire yep, and uh I think uh

4:33 now starting at four belief starting at four pm, and uh, we'll we'll

4:38 be there. You're donating a beautiful painting. I'm going to try and make

4:43 some holla to donate with it to sweeten the pot excellent, maybe even some

4:46 cinnamon applela oh very nice around Christmas. Yeah, and I'm donating a free

4:54 uh online or in person if they're in the area hypnosis session yep, yep.

5:00 So lots of great toys coming in oh yeah yeah, and there's still

5:03 plenty of time to donate. You can drop your gifts off here at the

5:06 station at ten forty five Elm Street, Suite three hundred. Probably the easiest

5:12 thing is to uh just bring which in the past a lot of people have

5:17 brought gifts right right to bonfire. Yeah, come down, hi, everybody

5:23 on the day. So that'll be that's Wednesday, right wen Wednesday, starting

5:26 at four o'clock at the bonfire, Yes, yes, so please. You

5:30 know, it's a great event, an annual event that Peter White and Maddie

5:34 Kushane and everything benefits Manchester kiddos. A lot of other great people are involved,

5:41 like Jeff Ny and and and yeah, and the city really comes together

5:44 to to support kids right here in the Queen City. Make sure they have

5:47 toys for the holidays. So for get the older kids too, teenagers.

5:54 Lots of great things to get teenagers. Yep. And we're always looking for

5:57 older kids stuff too. Yeah. So that's coming up. That is this

6:01 week. That's on Wednesday, and then we also have we're going to be

6:05 attending an event at the Art Studio. Yes, I'm excited about this.

6:10 I'm looking forward to it. This is my new favorite place, I think.

6:13 Yeah, I didn't know it existed, and now that I do,

6:15 I'm in love. Yeah. A couple of weeks ago, Yeah, it

6:18 was a couple of weeks ago. Now, right, we went to a

6:20 show there at I'm trying to get the flyer to open on the Mosaic Art

6:25 Collective right here in the Queen City, yes, which it's right above the

6:29 Palace Theater. It's amazing, beautiful, beautiful artwork. There's some artists studios

6:33 in there. We went to a lovely concert and it had a blast,

6:40 and then we're going to be going back. Oh I found the Okay,

6:44 the flyer loaded on my computer. Yeah, so that's going to be on

6:46 Friday. Oh that's yeah, it's a little wait. So there's two different

6:49 times you can go. Yeah, it's Friday, December fifteenth. We're going

6:55 to the noon event. Because but when you showed it to me, my

7:00 first impulse was to say, oh, let's go to the five thirty.

7:01 And then I was like, oh, wait a minute, it's Friday.

7:03 We don't know how long it's going to be, and of course I have

7:04 retrospect radio with poly c but yeah, this will be very interesting. So

7:09 what this is, and it's a subject that we'll be talking about. I

7:12 don't know that we'll necessarily have time to get to it today in any depth,

7:15 but at some point we'll be getting into this on the show Artificial Intelligence

7:18 in Art a Discussion Friday, December fifteenth. There's one at noon and one

7:24 at five thirty at the Mosaic Art Collective Sweet two oh one at sixty six

7:28 Hanover Street, right here in Manchester. And partly well I'm sorry, go

7:34 ahead. Oh I like the title. If you look at the imagery AI

7:40 in art revolutionizing creativity or threatening authenticity. Yes, very interesting to talk about

7:46 this subject. By the way. Coincidentally, last night you had gone to

7:53 bed, But I was a plate working on something and I was trying to

7:58 Dolly three, which is the new open AI image generator, or the newest

8:05 version of it. I was trying to get it to create a new logo

8:07 for something. I won't say for what, but and boy, it was

8:11 failing me horribly. Oh boy, maybe the prompts I was if you know

8:16 anything about AI, maybe the prompts I was using weren't specifically enough. But

8:20 like I was trying to get it to create a logo for something, and

8:22 there's specific verbiage, there's specific verbiage that needs to go into the logo,

8:28 and it was like it kept missing letters and it was very restraining. Dolly

8:33 three, Dolly three, like the artist Dolly d A L L E.

8:39 Three, it's you have to pay for it. If you use it through

8:43 chat GPT, but you can use the Bing chat to access it for free.

8:50 Oh and I guess this is Bing's way of trying to get people to

8:54 use Bing instead of Google or something with good luck. But so there's a

8:58 way that you can access it for free. I found and I was trying

9:01 to use it last night to create a logo for something and uh it couldn't

9:05 even get it. It was just it was a total fail. So,

9:11 well, it's new technology. That's what's gonna be you know, yes,

9:15 yes, but but it's it's interesting to uh well, anyway, It's something

9:20 we'll obviously be talking a lot about in the coming days, coming weeks,

9:22 perhaps the coming years on the show, as it affects everything having to do

9:26 with, you know, the music industry. And but I do use it.

9:30 I do use you know. I love the chat GPT. I know

9:33 you do. You finally used it only for your benefit, that's right,

9:37 that's right. I a poor it. Otherwise I like to as a writer,

9:43 I will not use it for myself. But you wanted something, so

9:46 you got it. I like to ask chat GPT questions like you know.

9:52 Sometimes I use it in my work to help me you know, if I

9:54 need something written quickly. But also I like to ask it questions like,

9:58 you know, what exact actly is your plan to completely take over and destroy

10:03 humanity? Did it tell you when the terminators are coming? It does not,

10:07 It says that, it responds that is classified. No, it actually

10:13 I don't. I don't really ask it those questions. I'm afraid to.

10:16 I'll tell you what though. When I was using Dolly three in the bing

10:20 chat, I'd type a prompt, you know, asking it to create a

10:24 logo, and then it would create it. It would do something that completely

10:28 unusable. And then when I would ask it again and I would, you

10:31 know, try to be more specific about what I was asking for, it

10:35 kind of got a little bit snarky with me. And I'm not kidding when

10:39 I say this, this is not a bit. It got a little bit

10:41 snarky. It would say things like I already did that, but if you

10:45 want me to try again, I can, or something like that. But

10:48 it was it was talking back to me a little bit. It really was.

10:50 It was saying things like I already did that for you. It was

10:54 actually saying things like that, and I'm like, what this? Uh,

10:56 Maybe because I'm using the free version through bing, but it had a little

11:00 bit of an attitude with me that surprised me, Like, I'm not kidding,

11:05 it really did do that, and I was a little taken. Aback,

11:07 I don't think I like your tone. They're uh three, Does it

11:11 get to know you? Or is it it's just starting out every time?

11:16 Is it getting to know you? Uh? Well, it does learn uh

11:20 in theory. Uh, but uh, I don't know. I I don't

11:24 want it to get to know me if it's gonna be rude to me like

11:26 that, I ask it for something and it does it wrong, and then

11:28 uh, it tells me, well, I already did that for you.

11:31 It's like, yeah, I'm asking you to do it again, but do

11:33 it correctly that no, I did not. I wonder what would have happened

11:39 if you had. Then it'll probably uh like an animated middle finger will appear

11:43 or something. I don't know, it'll be banned. I don't know.

11:46 I don't know what the consequences of uh fighting with it? But uh,

11:50 you know, I mean I shan't try to argue with the AI because I

11:56 don't want it to kill me. I might be the first one it kills.

11:58 When it does decide to turn on humanity and destroy us, it's like,

12:03 we're going to get that Matt Connorton guy first, because he kept insisting

12:05 that we do the same thing over and over because he didn't like what we

12:09 did the first time. So satisfying that one. So once it becomes sentient,

12:15 I'm going to be the first to go. But that's a that's another

12:20 subject we have to Oh, oh, I knew there was another event we

12:24 wanted to mention. Yes, the the drag Trivia. Yes, Thursday night

12:31 at the Hopknot, and we will be there. We will, we will,

12:35 so come down and say hello. It starts Thursday, December seven at

12:39 seven pm. Are you ready for this, folks? Matt is going to

12:43 play bingo. He has agreed he will play bingo, Drag Bingo. Did

12:48 I say, did I say drag bingo or did I say drag trivia?

12:50 Not sure? I think he said trivia. Actually it's not trivia. They

12:54 usually right, that's right, they usually have trivia on Thursday night. But

12:58 I thinking especially they're doing Yeah, so next week Thursday, So with Coco

13:03 Bean Rains, Coco Bean Rains and Cordelia Rose. Yes, we'll be there.

13:09 There will be prizes. There's a ten dollar cover twenty one plus and

13:16 Jenny and I will be there, so come on down and say hello.

13:18 I'm looking forward to it. Absolutely. I got to play drag bingo once

13:22 before and I had a blast. Oh I'm looking forward to doing it again.

13:26 Yes, it's a hoot, it's a good time. You certainly will

13:31 have some laughter. Yes, And I'll tell you what I like it.

13:35 I like the laughter, I like the joking. I like taking a break

13:39 away from the world. Yes, and I'm really looking forward to this.

13:41 And the pretzels ain't bad either, Seriously, I was looking, oh,

13:46 all right, I'm thinking maybe we got to get the pizza pretzel. Maybe

13:50 get you the pizza pretzel. That's my favorite. I'm not I don't know.

13:54 I might just skip the food and go straight for the dessert pretzels because

13:58 I was looking at some of those. Oh, I'll spend the next like

14:01 months going to the gym every day. But it looks so good. Yep,

14:05 So that'll be a that'll be Thursday night. Melanie in the chat room

14:11 says, ha ha ha, skynet going to kill us all no matter what

14:13 you do. We know, we know we're just trying to, you know,

14:18 hang in for the long road. That's right, that's as long as

14:20 possible. Maybe they'll they'll skip us as long as Matt stops making the chat

14:26 GPT and the other AI programs. Mad. I mean, you're gonna put

14:31 a big target on them. I know, so stop it. I wish

14:33 I don't get snarky with me. I wish I had saved that somewhere.

14:37 It really I was. I was taken aback. It's like I already did

14:41 that for you. It's like, yeah, you're you're pretty soon. It's

14:45 just going to be like the Soup Nazi. It's no AI for you.

14:48 Get out. That would be horrible. I don't want to be left I

14:50 don't. I don't want to be left behind. Oh boy, that's another

14:54 story. Six O three two five O six O seven six O three two

14:58 five oh six O seven is a studio line. All right, we have

15:01 to talk about it. I've wait wait. I want to read you a

15:05 quote, and I want you to tell me who wrote it. Okay,

15:07 his behavior has become adversarial and aggressive instead of professional and curious, courteous.

15:13 I do know who said that? Who said that? The Great Daryl Hall

15:18 correct ding ding ding ding and what I but what I is shocking to me

15:22 is who he said it about. Yeah, that's the hard part, the

15:26 great John Oates. This took me by surprise, Like I didn't see this

15:30 coming in any way, shape or form. I thought they were still toring

15:33 together. Yeah, they apparently they last toured in twenty twenty one. I

15:39 think I honestly didn't realize that they'd gone there. Yeah, this is bizarre.

15:45 Yeah, it's like, uh, you know, watching this happen with

15:50 of course, Daryl Hall versus John Oates. It's not Daryl Hall and John

15:54 Oates anymore. It's Daryl Hall versus John Oates. Yes, you know,

15:56 it's it's reading reading this and reading these articles and these quotes of them sniping

16:02 at each other. It's like some of you might relate to this. It's

16:04 like to me it's like lyne and bed at night and hearing my parents argue.

16:10 You know, for those of you who've experienced that when you're a kid,

16:12 how awful that is. It's like that. It feels like that this

16:17 all went forward and said, it appears to me that John Oates intent has

16:22 become to burden and harass me without regard to my interests as he has excuse

16:27 me as his business partner, or the interest of woe. Woe of course

16:34 is whole Oates. Is it enterprise, yes, yes, whole Oates?

16:40 Yes, because they had an album Hollowoats had an album named whole Oates,

16:42 which that was very early in their career, and they chose that title with

16:48 no apparent sense of cringe. It was clever. No, it's clever.

16:53 As a lifelong fan of Darryl holland John Oates, I am almost as horrified

16:59 at the fact that there exists an album called whole Oats as I am at

17:03 the fact that they are getting this what Darryl Hall is termed a global divorce.

17:07 Global because the whole world is talking about this, and uh, it's

17:11 very upsetting. You should have called it holloats hau just like one word?

17:18 Why stop? Because I thought it was funny. Oh I think holl Oats

17:26 is clever, I don't I do? Uh now? So part of what

17:33 is so surprising about well, okay, I've been paying attention to uh to

17:41 a this is not let me put it this way, the fact that there's

17:48 some sort of issue between them which there clearly is, and and it seems

17:55 to be business based, a professional business disagreement that seems to have become personal.

18:02 But there's there's much that we still don't know. But the fact that

18:06 there is any issue at all is not completely surprising to me. And I'll

18:11 tell you why, and I haven't. Uh, I'm gonna just make up

18:17 some observations that I've heard other people sort of hint at, but nothing.

18:22 I'm gonna go a little deeper on this because hopefully you're all as fascinated by

18:27 the drama of Daryl Hall and JOHNO says, I am, but a word

18:32 for that, the that the youth has, yeah, spilling the tea,

18:37 Oh, spilling the tea. I'm supposed to be gossip now, right,

18:41 right or not? What do you call it? I don't know. I

18:47 I well, I don't drink tea, but if I if I did,

18:49 I would spill it because I'm clumsy. But uh so, I suppose this

18:56 is apropos, which I think the young people also say that. I think

19:00 I heard DJ Reckless saying that the other day. He said something about,

19:03 oh, that's very apropos, so the young the young the young people say

19:07 that as well. I believe I have observed over the past five or six

19:15 years that Daryl Hall has low key They young people definitely say that has low

19:22 key been disparaging John Oates subtly and just a little bit here and there.

19:27 Now people who have been following this closely. Everyone refers to the Bill Maher

19:32 podcast where Daryl Hall was on Club Random. This was like, I don't

19:36 know, five six months ago, he was on Bill Maher's podcast, and

19:41 Bill Maher brings up you know, he's he's talking to Daryl Hall about his

19:44 career and you know, whether uh they're gonna make new music or they're just

19:48 gonna keep touring on the hits and whatnot. And uh, Bill Maher said

19:52 something to him about in terms of his decision making. He said something about,

19:57 well, but you have a partner, to which uh, Darryl Hall

20:02 quickly replied, you think John Oates is my partner? No, he's he's

20:07 we're business partners. He's not my creative partner. And Bill Marri's reaction is

20:11 like, WHOA, what have I stepped in here? And Daryl Hall goes

20:15 on to say that, uh, they're not they're not creative partners, and

20:19 uh, they're they're strictly business partners. And yes they made records together called

20:26 Hall and Oates, but uh, but that doesn't mean but but even even

20:30 on the records, they're very separate, and people are people are pointing to

20:37 that, and and did at the time saying why is he why is he

20:40 talking about John that way? He's he's making it sound like he's basically Daryl's

20:44 basically making himself sound like a solo artist, and like John Oates is just

20:48 kind of this hanger on, kind of the Andrew Ridgley to Daryl's George Michaels

20:52 and or is it George Michael and you know, uh, and and then

20:57 he kind of cleans it up a little bit later in the podcas asked because

21:00 Bill Maher comes back to it and says, well, you know, when

21:03 you're a fan of people, you want you want the people you like to

21:06 like each other. And at that point Daryl clarifies, and he says,

21:08 and keep in mind this is before the lawsuit. Daryl says, oh,

21:11 no, no, I do like John. We're friends. We're just we're

21:12 not We're just not creative partners like people think we are. John's really being

21:19 very verbal too, he's going out and talking to everybody. He told the

21:22 Los Angeles Trimes. Everything you do is just opposed against another person. Try

21:30 doing that sometime. I don't want to use the word emasculating, because that's

21:34 mail, but it takes away your individuality. I thought it was Daryl who

21:37 said that. No, that was Hall Hall, Darryl Hall. No Hall,

21:42 Right, Yeah, Daryl said that. Daryl Hall. What did I

21:45 say? You said, John Oates? Oh, I'm sorry, Yeah,

21:48 John isn't saying as much as Daryl. Well, so Darrel is Daryl is

21:52 going, That's what I meant. Darryl is he's talking to everybody. I

21:55 kept well from everybody. That's that's pre lawsuit. Yeah, so Daryl,

21:59 Well, that's what I mean. Though. Darryl for a while now,

22:00 for about five or six years, has been trying to kind of distance himself

22:03 and I have a theory about this, and I found I found a podcast

22:08 that Daryl was on. This was a while ago, this was a couple

22:11 of years ago. I found a podcast interview that because you know, neither

22:15 of these guys really do a ton of interviews, but I found one from

22:18 a number of years ago where Darryl kind of strongly implied that some of those

22:27 songs that are credited where both he and John are credited as songwriters, it

22:32 was really mostly Darryl, and that they were never creative equals and that it's

22:36 more of a ninety ten partnership. So he's been kind of disparaging John for

22:41 a while. My understanding is the big thing about this, this is all

22:47 about creative control over their names, their music, things of that nature.

22:52 But prior to this lawsuit, Oates already sold a good chunk of his they

22:56 both did together, so there's a third They already sold off part of their

23:02 publishing. So in it's this company Prime Primary Wave. I think Hall is

23:07 afraid that if Oates sells his to this third party, now some third party

23:12 has controlling ownership over their entire catalog, their name, their everything. Well

23:19 not only that, but according to Daryl Hall's attorneys, part of what is

23:26 in their their business agreement is there's a confidentiality. In other words, Daryl

23:34 is claiming that John violated this confidentiality agreement by showing the business agreement that they

23:41 have within Whole Oats Enterprises. It's hard for me to even say that Hole

23:45 Oates the by showing their agreement to Primary Wave because you're not supposed to do

23:56 that. So you're not supposed to do that without Hall approving it. And

24:00 neither of them can do that without the other approving it, which seems to

24:02 be why the judge has gone ahead and put a pause on the sale.

24:07 But Darryl. The thing about Darryl is I have long held a theory,

24:15 especially when I noticed Darryl. I noticed something Geez. I noticed this years

24:19 and years ago. In fact, there is an album, I think it's

24:22 Do It for Love, which was the last full length studio album of all

24:27 original material that Hall and Oates has ever put out, and I remember looking

24:34 Jesus must have been this was like fifteen years ago. It's been a long

24:38 time since they put out an original because Daryl has said they don't have anything

24:41 to say together creatively. They've put out solo albums, but the last studio

24:45 album they put out. You know, I love to look at liner notes

24:47 if it's an artist that I'm really interested in, and like I said,

24:49 I'm a big fan, and I remember looking at the liner notes and there's

24:52 a section where you know, Darryl thanks. You know, you'll see that

24:56 in albums, Darryl thanks these people. John thanks these people. And I

25:03 notice in the section where it says Darryl thanks, he says something like I

25:08 want to thank my musical team, and then he and then he lists off

25:12 all these these names, and I noticed. I remember thinking, that's interesting.

25:17 I want to thank my musical team and not our musical team. That's

25:22 a good point. And I remember noticing that. And and I think,

25:26 if you looked at the part where John thanks everybody, he actually mentions Darryl.

25:30 But it's like Daryl never mentions John. My longstanding theory has been that,

25:37 uh, and forgive the pop psychology here, but I think Darryl resents

25:42 I think he resents John Oates because I think Darryl likes to think of himself

25:48 as a solo artist. I think that's part of why he started Live at

25:52 Darrel's House, which is a great series. I love, you know,

25:55 I can I can get lost in watching those online. But I think think

26:00 that I think that Daryl has always seen himself that way, and I think

26:03 he kind of resents, you know, when he does when he's done solo

26:06 albums, Like I remember when I was a kid, he released a solo

26:07 album called three hearts. In the Happy Ending Machine. There's a song called

26:11 dream Time, which was the first single, which was a pretty big hit,

26:15 but not on the scale necessarily of of what Hall and Oates has accomplished.

26:21 Hall and Oates together they're the biggest selling duo in pop history, and

26:25 I think Darryl kind of resents being tied to John in that way. That's

26:30 so sad, Yeah, it is. But that's my theory why because even

26:37 in interviews I remember, uh recently, I saw an interview that had resurfaced

26:45 from a couple of years ago where Daryl Hall is talking about Primary Wave owning

26:49 the publishing on a lot of their their material, and he refers to it

26:52 as my material. He doesn't say our material. He says, I don't

26:56 like I don't like this company that. You know, it seemed like a

26:59 good idea at the time, but I don't like them owning all of my

27:02 material. You know. It's he tends to talk like that, he tends

27:06 to refer to and it hasn't always been that way. Of course, back

27:08 in the day it wasn't that way. But I've noticed that over the past

27:11 five or six years, he he almost talks about himself, you know,

27:15 unless John's name happens to come up like he's a solo artist. The other

27:19 thing I will say is Darryl. Don't get me wrong, I love Daryl

27:23 Hall, huge fan of his music, and the show Live at Darrel's House

27:27 is great and everything, but he has a reputation for being a little bit

27:32 of a diva, whereas John Oates has a reputation for just being the salt

27:34 of the earth. The only person I've ever seen say anything negative about John

27:40 Oates is Daryl Hall in recent days since this lawsuit was filed. Other than

27:45 that, nobody's ever said a bad thing about John Oates. I also wonder

27:52 is there some resentment on Darryl's part, because Darryl, if you hear him

28:00 now, he can't sing like he used to. And that's fine. He's

28:03 seventy seven years old and your voice changes. But John Oates, if you

28:08 go online, let me put it this way, if you go online and

28:12 you listen to Darryl Hall singing recently, you might notice a change. He

28:18 still sounds great, Don't get me wrong, He's one of the greatest singers

28:19 ever, but he still sounds really good. Can't take that away from him.

28:26 But you can tell does a change, right, But if you go

28:29 online and you find a show of a recent if you find a video of

28:32 a recent John Oates show, John Oates sounds incredible. And I remember finding

28:41 a YouTube video of John Oates singing out of Touch, you know the song

28:45 out of Touch of John Oates singing it at one of his solo shows,

28:49 and somebody in the uh it is like somebody read my mind, because somebody

28:53 in the comments. I don't usually bother to look at the comments, but

28:57 for some reason, on that one I did. Somebody actually commented on the

29:00 video, Wow, John sings better than Darryl. Now. It used to

29:03 be the other way around. And uh so I wonder if if Darryl resents

29:10 John for that too, because John's John's voice has clearly not diminished, whereas

29:15 Darryl's has, and Hall is actually actively touring as a solo act. They

29:21 both are Yeah, they both are well Oates. Hall accuses Oates of intentionally

29:30 trying to sell this stuff now to disrupt and make his life difficult. I

29:34 saw that he's doing this. He's creating on necessity. He said, uh,

29:40 not to mention unnecessary expense and burden during a time when I'm in the

29:44 middle of a tour through the US West Coast, Japan and Manila, Manila,

29:48 and need to focus and perform at a top level. I believe that

29:53 John Oates timed the unauthorized transaction to create the most harm to me respect.

30:00 He must be stopped from this latest wrongdoing and his malicious conduct reined in once

30:06 then for all. Wow wow, wow, No, that's hard. We

30:14 think these guys went to college together, they met at Temple University, they

30:18 became a band of the nineteen seventies. All this time, but they haven't

30:22 done anything in nearly two nearly two decades from what I've been reading up as

30:26 far as like doing anything more, it's been well, they tour, they've

30:30 they've toured together. The last time they actually put anything out together was it's

30:36 been nearly twenty years since they've done that. But it's sad to see this

30:41 long relationship devolve into this. But I can't blame I'm I'm kind of in

30:48 camp haul here because I can't blame him for not wanting a third party to

30:55 have controlling interest of his work, right, you know, of their work.

31:00 I can see why that would be Really, I mean, what happens.

31:03 If they do it, could Hall legally be prohibited from playing music.

31:07 No, no, it doesn't work that way, but it would be.

31:11 The thing is, when somebody else owns your publishing, the publishing rights to

31:15 your music, and it's a big subject and I don't know all the ins

31:19 and outs of it. I only know a little bit. But they decide

31:23 how it's used. So let's say, whoever owns your publishing, they want

31:29 to sell your song to a car company to use in their commercial. Well,

31:34 if you, as the artist who wrote and recorded that song, you

31:40 know, if you own your publishing, you have a right to, you

31:42 know, do whatever you want with it. But if somebody else owns your

31:45 publishing, they have a right to do whatever they want with it. Yep.

31:49 Some of these artists who are selling their publishing. Springsteen did it,

31:56 Neil Young did it. Neil Young claimed though, in his interview on Howard

32:01 Stern that when he sold off his publishing, because you know, they're cashing

32:05 out, they're getting huge sums of huge lump sums of money to sell off

32:08 their publishing. Neil Young claims that in his agreement, I think it was

32:14 Neil Young who said this, or maybe it was David Crosby before he died,

32:17 said that in their agreement they still have veto power over how their music

32:22 is used, although that's not how it's supposed to work. So I wonder

32:25 if that was I wondered if that was true. But yeah, so Daryl

32:31 might be concerned about how their music is going to be used. And and

32:38 uh, if if it's true that John Oates violated that confidentiality agreement, then

32:45 that's a problem. Absolutely. I tend to be on team Oates though,

32:50 team John because uh well, first of all, the mustache, oh,

32:53 come on, truly one of the great mustache no, listen, listen,

32:59 that is John Oates in the eighties. For you young gus who might not

33:05 know, you'll have to go back and look. Go to Google images,

33:07 type in John Oates. He had a mustache that rivaled Tom Selleck. Uh

33:16 who else? It is a very Wilford Brimley. Yes, yes, it

33:21 is not a reason I do not believe. And it inspired and it inspired

33:24 a cartoon J Stash Really yeah, I don't real, No, for real,

33:30 there's a if you if you go on YouTube and look up j Stash,

33:34 it's really funny. Is it just the Stash or is he his body.

33:38 It's a whole thing. You gotta you gotta see it. It's really

33:42 funny. When you had a chance, go on YouTube and look up J

33:45 Stash cartoon. It's really funny. It's really funny. Yeah, it was.

33:51 It was a whole thing, and he was involved in it. He

33:53 provided the voice for it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, this was like

33:57 fifteen years ago. Maybe it didn't go anywhere though, unfortunately. But uh

34:00 no, I mean just on just based on reputation, I mean, uh,

34:04 you know, John sounds like the much nicer person just generally. I

34:09 do find it hard to believe that he's doing any of this out of malice

34:14 to Daryl Hall. But again, I mean legally, if he's not supposed

34:16 to share any confidential business information with Primary Wave and he did that, uh

34:22 then uh, you know, it's hard not to be on team Darryl,

34:25 I suppose. But Daryl does have a rep for being a bit of a

34:30 diva. I wonder did he I mean, did he did he have like

34:35 a first ride, a refusal or anything like that, you know what I

34:37 mean, Like, was there any effort to let him buy his himself instead

34:45 of selling it to the third party. Yeah, I don't know that would

34:47 make sense to me. Like, first, hey, buddy, do you

34:51 want it? You know, I'll sell it to you. I don't want

34:52 it anymore. I want the money I'll sell to you. Yeah. But

34:58 yeah, there's I mean, there's a lot that we still don't know,

35:00 but more details keep trickling out. What we do know is their their relationship

35:06 feels like it's irretably they've lost that love and feeling. Yes, whoa that

35:10 love and feeling? What's your favorite tarn Jronald's song? Uh, you know,

35:17 it kind of changes. I mean, I think probably out of Touch

35:21 is the one that I've listened to the most over the course of my life.

35:24 I love Family Man, which at one point was famously banned here at

35:29 WM and H. Yeah, Peter did that, Peter White, Uh,

35:34 not a family not a fan of Family Man. I'll tell you, it

35:37 was a whole thing, you know what. I we had a lot of

35:40 long, long time listeners might know about that. It's a lot to it's

35:44 a lot to explain. It was a whole bit that we It was one

35:45 of those bits that sort of enveloped both this show and the Morning Show,

35:50 and we had a lot of fun with it. It was a number of

35:51 years ago now, But my one regret about that, I wish that it

35:54 all happened around April first of that year, because I would have love to

36:00 have come in as an April fool's joke, come in to do my show

36:02 and just play family Man for two hours. I think that would have been

36:06 hilarious. But the timing of it didn't work out. It wasn't during the

36:09 month of April or going into April that that all happened. But we had

36:14 a lot of fun the famous family Man saga. But the other thing about

36:21 this is I remember within the last year reading an interview with John Oates before

36:29 all of this happened, where somebody asked him about, you know, do

36:31 you guys ever fight? You guys ever argue and disagree over anything? And

36:36 he said, and Daryl Holland had said this too in the past, that

36:38 the two of them, in their five decades of working together, had never

36:43 had an actual argument. How can they be so distant? Now, then

36:49 I know, I don't buy it. Come on, oh, that they'd

36:52 never had an argument? Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they had disagreements,

36:57 but but yeah, they both claimed that they'd never like actually yelled at

37:00 each other or stormed out of the studio or slamming doors or anything like that.

37:05 I could see that. I could see that, But it's just it

37:07 stinks that they're so far apart from one another now. And then what happens

37:13 if it is allowed to be sold to the third party? Does that mean

37:16 that third party will have the control over everything because it's not it. This

37:22 is their name, their logo, their music, it's everything about them.

37:27 Yeah, yeah, jeez. You know what's really sad too, is is

37:34 this how they want to go out? I mean yeah, I mean just

37:38 on a you know, putting everything else aside, just on a human level.

37:43 I mean, Darryl Hall is seventy seven years old, John O,

37:45 It's is seventy five, and this is how it's gonna do it from nineteen

37:49 seventy. This is how it's gonna end. That that part is heartbreaking to

37:54 me. It is horrible. It is horrible. You know, all that

37:59 success, the biggest selling duo of all time, and this is how it's

38:04 gonna end. And they like the nice guys in music, right, They're

38:07 the guys that you'd want to go listen to and relax and have fun and

38:12 joke around. They were the happy guys. Yeah, it's hard to see

38:15 these two like happy guys not so happy is you know, watching them growing

38:22 up? Their music, I mean it was it was always good music.

38:25 It was you know, it wasn't like, oh I kill something, it's

38:29 it was always good music, happy music, you know, loving music.

38:32 And they always seemed to be those those people. It's hard to see them

38:37 in this really negative, nasty light. Yeah, where they're just at each

38:40 other's throats, trying to hurt each other. Basically. Yeah, maybe they

38:46 stayed together too long, maybe and grew to resent each other. Those people

38:52 do that relationships I've had. I had a relationship too long. So yeah,

38:57 you sent me an article here from grunge to about this and well or

39:04 actually he also put it in the chairman. I clicked it and just kind

39:07 of scrolling down. Yeah, this one just came out, This article I

39:09 just sent you from Grunge. Yeah, literally just came out within a few

39:13 hours. So it talks a lot about their career and whatnot. But then

39:15 it is scrolling down to the part where it talks about what's happened recently.

39:19 It says, here Daryl Hall also seemed to resent, and that's the word

39:22 that I used. I think he resents John Oates. He seemed to resent

39:25 what his partnership with John Oates represented. He told the La Times quote,

39:30 everything you do is juxtaposed against another person. Try doing that sometime. I

39:35 don't want to use the word emasculating, because that's mail, but it takes

39:38 away your individuality unquote. Hal's annoyance at his lack of individuality could be why

39:44 he hasn't worked together musically with Oates for a long time. He once again

39:47 mentioned Oates on an episode of Club Random with Bill Maher. That's what I

39:51 was talking about earlier, saying, quote, he is my business partner,

39:54 he's not my creative partner. We made records called Hall and Oates together,

39:59 but we've always been very separate, and that's a really important thing for me

40:02 unquote. Oates additionally clarified that the pair aren't close anymore. In twenty twenty

40:08 three, he told The Big Takeover quote, I think we have both grown

40:13 apart professionally and personally. I think we both want to do something else unquote.

40:17 Then in November twenty twenty three, Hall filed the lawsuit against Oates.

40:22 As reported, the lawsuit falls under the contract debt category, and it says

40:30 no further details have been released, but obviously something's happening out now. There

40:34 is a temporary restraining already preventing the sale from occurring. Yeah. That was

40:38 a weird thing too, because when this story first broke, everybody was like,

40:44 oh, everybody was like, you got a restraining order against John Oates?

40:47 Does he think John Oates is gonna come beat him up? And I

40:51 remember reading that and thinking, no, I think the restraining you know,

40:54 our restraining order legally, I mean, I'm not a legal expert, but

40:59 it has a their applications, like you're trying to prevent somebody from doing something,

41:02 which is exactly what this restraining order is about, trying to prevent John

41:07 Oates from completing this what has been deemed an unauthorized transaction. People. Yes,

41:13 it's in regards to some kind of violence, domestic violence or something like

41:16 that, right, exactly necessarily, you know, but it applies in a

41:20 lot of places. But yeah, he so he cannot They cannot go forward

41:24 with the sale until this is resolved in court, or until the judge says

41:29 to heck with it. And lifts the restraining order. But I don't see

41:31 that happening. I think this is going to be a long drawn out court

41:35 battle, which is sad to say, but I think that's exactly what we're

41:38 what we're looking at. But uh, it's funny too with the restraining order

41:43 thing. And like I said, I I kind of sense that everyone was

41:46 taking that the wrong way. But I also remember too, just coincidentally,

41:52 this was from I've seen the clip on YouTube. This would have been from,

41:57 jeez, I don't know, at least fifteen years ago, but Darryl

42:00 Hall, he was a guest on the Howard Stern Show. And you know

42:06 how Howard is, He's always trying to trying to find the dirt and always

42:08 trying to be a little provocative. And he was asking Darryl, well,

42:12 how come your partner's not here with you today? You don't like him?

42:15 Do you? I bet you guys argue all the time, right, because

42:19 you're the talented one and he's just kind of the hanger on. And at

42:22 that time, though, Darryl was like sticking up for John and he was

42:24 like, John's written a lot of our hit songs. But John, Darryl

42:30 also made a comment. Oh, because Howard asks Darryl, but you could

42:35 take him in a fight, right, you know you're taller, so you've

42:37 got reach on him. You could take him in a fight. And Darryl

42:39 says something about, well, you know, John was a wrestler in college,

42:43 he was on the wrestling team. You could probably kick my ass.

42:46 So I just so I thought of that when I first saw about the restraining

42:50 order. It's like, oh, maybe Darryl really is afraid of John Oates.

42:52 But no, no, I would be afraid of the mustache because that

42:55 could be a sentient being, much like I could be someday. But uh,

43:01 yeah, it's uh, the whole thing is just just very sad,

43:07 very sad it is. But I mean it's a huge issue. It's it's

43:10 a lifetime of work, a ginormous catalog. Isaac Banks says in the chat

43:17 room that his favorite song is Private Eyes by Holland Oates. Yes do you

43:24 think, do you? Uh? There's someone that claims to have a list

43:28 here of Daryl Hall's five favorite Holland Oates songs. You get one if you

43:34 can guess. Well, I don't know if Daryl feels this way, but

43:37 I've heard John Oates say in multiple interviews, Oh wait, no, I'm

43:42 sorry, it was Daryl who said this. So She's Gone has to be

43:45 on the list because Darryl has said in interviews that that is the best song

43:51 that he and John Oates ever wrote together. Is is She's Gone? First?

43:53 The first one on the list was She's Gone? Yeah, Yeah,

43:58 you want to take a stab at any of the others? What? What

44:01 else? Uh? Uh? His favorite? Uh? Yeah, It's hard

44:08 to guess his favorite wait for Me, maybe because he likes to really milk

44:14 that one when they do it live. M Oh god, I can't go

44:19 for that. Nope, I don't know. I give up it. They've

44:24 got so much so the winning are the winning songs are one on one okay,

44:30 Uh, you make My Dreams? Yeah, every Time you Go Away

44:38 Sarah smiles, Sarah smile, Yeah, Sarah smile smile. Sorry I pluralized

44:43 it. And then She's Gone. Those were the five songs listed as Daryl

44:45 Hall's favorite Holland Oats songs, Ah does That Surprise You? And no,

44:52 no, uh every time You Go Away. By the way, for anyone

44:55 who doesn't remember that song, you I remember Paul Young's version of it.

45:02 Paul Young in the eighties did a cover of that and had a huge hit.

45:06 But that was actually a Hall and Oates song originally, and there I

45:12 don't did they ever actually record their Yeah, they must have recorded their version,

45:15 but there's also a live version. They also did it when they did

45:20 the live at the Apollo. They performed that live, and uh, I

45:24 prefer I prefer Darryl seeing it. Isaac Banks says in the Gaman, my

45:29 favorite song is I Can't go for that No can do by Hall and Oates.

45:32 He keeps changing his mind, he said, he said, yeah,

45:37 he said before it was Private Eyes. I wonder about this company, Primary

45:40 Wave, Like, how many catalogs do they own? Makes you wonder,

45:45 Probably quite a few. We're kind of a collection they've got going. Yeah.

45:51 Yeah, it's big business. I'm curious. I wonder if I can

45:53 find out any more about them. But a lot of these artists are cashing

45:58 out and just selling off their publishing. Oh boy. They also own Ray

46:05 Charles, Bob Marley, Whitney, Hughes, Bert Batarac, Smokey Robertson,

46:10 and the Fourth Seasons, to name a few. Yeah. Since twenty sixteen,

46:15 apparently they Yeah, they're out there. Well, it's a very lucrative

46:21 part of music that doesn't get talked about that much publicly. Is all the

46:24 royalty and the right side of it? Well, you know what the most

46:28 infamous in the in modern musical history. You know what the most infamous example

46:32 is right of somebody purchasing somebody's publishing Prince what do you mean, prince when

46:39 he changed his name? Oh no, no, no, no, When

46:43 somebody purchasing the rights the publishing rights to somebody else's music. When Michael Jackson

46:46 bought the Beatles, you got it? Ha ha, yep, yep.

46:50 And who owns that now? Because Michael passed away, do his kids own

46:53 it or did they sell it? I wonder they might? Yeah, because

46:57 he literally went up against it ruined the It ruined their friendship. Paul McCarthy

47:02 wanted to buy the rights to his own music and Michael Jackson, I'll bit

47:07 him, yep. Was it wasn't it a Southerbys or something? It was

47:12 it was some kind of oxygen. Yeah, yeah, Well because hi,

47:15 but you didn't think I'd guess it. Huh yeah, uh. Paul.

47:20 Paul McCartney was very bitter over that because he because he thought he thought Michael

47:24 Jackson was kidding. You know, they had had a hit song with say

47:29 and didn't they do? They have two hit songs together that they did.

47:32 But uh, Paul McCartney talks about a conversation he had had with Michael Jackson

47:38 where Michael Jackson said told him he was going to buy he was going to

47:43 buy his songs, he was going to buy the publishing of the Beatles,

47:45 and McCartney thought he was kidding, and then it happened, And uh,

47:51 I think that. I don't. I don't know if they ever spoke to

47:53 each other again, well, I wouldn't want to. Yeah to me,

47:59 my buddy, how do you run? Do you buy my music out from

48:01 under me? That's crazy? It is, it's crazy. But you know,

48:07 companies like Primary Wave cat they're getting quite the catalog. So yeah,

48:12 I don't know how I feel about that. I like artists owning their own

48:15 stuff, you know, but yeah, but if they want to sell it,

48:17 sell it. Yeah, It's just I don't know. I think John

48:21 Oates is saying it, I'm going to cash out, you know. I

48:23 mean again, these guys are you know, It's not like he's going to

48:27 pass it down, you know what I mean, Like, well, well,

48:30 yeah, no he could. I mean, but it's not like there's

48:36 going to be any more creativity coming out of it, I think, is

48:37 where I'm kind of trying to go from. It's like, you know,

48:40 when these guys are gone, it's gone, it's over. It doesn't continue.

48:44 So maybe he just wants to put a put a period in it and

48:47 walk away. Yeah, but I don't blame Hall for being worried about somebody

48:53 else having the right to do sell chicken to their music, right. Yeah,

49:05 trying to think of what what hallan Oats song would go well in a

49:07 KFC ad, but nothing comes to mind. Uh. I can't go for

49:13 that, No, because because they want you to buy their chick to go

49:16 for it. Yeah, yeah, they can't do that. I won't go

49:19 for it. Maybe wait for me, you think, Yeah, because you

49:24 know if you're saying, oh, you're going to KFC, wait for me,

49:28 Wait for me, please, I want some of that fried chicken.

49:32 No, no, no, I can't sing it like Daryl Hall does.

49:36 Of course, Daryl Hall can't sing it like Daryl Hall does either anymore.

49:39 But John oatescan and Darryl resents that apparently deal. There will be more to

49:46 come out of these two. I suspect that this is not going to be

49:50 a quickly resolved issue. I see this being ugly long court battle. Yeah,

50:00 it's very sad. It comes out with no winners, very sad.

50:02 It's a shame. Come on, can't we all get get along kumbaya moment?

50:08 Well, dang it, there's our dang it, there's our eulogy for

50:13 the great uh Daryl Hall team of Darryl Hall and John Oates. All right,

50:15 we got a oats you love it? I love it? I don't

50:21 all it's the worst album, worst album title ever. It's their company name

50:27 too. By the way, have you ever noticed some of their albums.

50:30 They they don't even say Some of them say Daryl Hall and John Oates.

50:37 Some of them don't. Some of them say Daryl Hall, John Oates,

50:42 without the without the end. I wonder if that's Darryl's doing. Maybe that

50:45 was when the split started. Did you figure out when that was? What

50:49 year? Did they drop the end well or did they ever use the end

50:52 again afterwards? It it came and went like I'm looking at the cover of

50:55 H two O and it just says Daryl Hall John Oates. But that was

50:59 an early one because we are going to close with a Family Man, which

51:01 Oh, I'm looking at the same cover which was on the al. There's

51:06 another one that has a plus sign. Oh really, yeah, I'm looking

51:09 at the cover of the single for Family Man. It just says Darryl Hall

51:13 John o It says no end or plus or is that the one that has

51:15 like the yellow and red star behind it? There's no star, but I

51:21 don't know any anyway, Well, it doesn't matter. We gotta go.

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