Matt Connarton Unleashed: Daryl Hall vs. John Oates

All right, we have to talk about it. I've wait, wait,

I want to read you a quote, and I want you to tell me

who wrote it. Okay, his behavior has become adversarial and aggressive instead of

professional and curious courteous. I do know who said that? Who said that?

The Great Daryl Hall correct ding ding ding ding and what I But what

I is shocking to me is who he said it about. Yeah, that's

the hard part, the great John Oates. This took me by surprise,

Like I didn't see this coming in any way, shape or form. I

thought they were still toring together. Yeah, they apparently they last toured in

twenty twenty one. I think I honestly didn't realize that they'd gone there.

Yeah, this is bizarre. Yeah, it's like, uh, you know,

watching this happen with of course, Daryl Hall versus John Oates. It's

not Daryl Hall and John Oates anymore. It's Daryl Hall versus John Oates.

Yes, you know, it's it's reading reading this and reading these articles and

these quotes of them sniping at each other. It's like some of you might

relate to this. It's like to me, it's like Lyne and bed at

night. And hearing my parents argue. You know, for those of you

who've experienced that when you're a kid, how awful that is. It's like

that. It feels like that this all went forward and said, it appears

to me that John Oates intent has become to burden and harass me without regard

to my interests, as he has excuse me as his business partner or the

interest of woe. Woe of course is whole Oates. Is it enterprises,

yes, yes, whole Oates. Yes, because they had an album Hollowoats

had an album named whole Oates, which that was very early in their career,

and they chose that title with no apparent sense of cringe. It was

clever, No, it's clever. As a lifelong fan of Darryl holland John

Oates, I am almost as horrified at the fact that there exists an album

called whole Oats as I am at the fact that they are getting this what

Darryl Hall is termed a global divorce. Global because the whole world is talking

about this, and uh, it's very upsetting. You should have called it

holloats hau just like one word why stop? Because I thought it was funny

Oh, I think holl Oats is clever. I don't I do. Uh

Now, So part of what is so surprising about well, okay, I've

been paying attention to uh to a. This is not let me put it

this way, the fact that there's some sort of issue between them, which

there clearly is, and and it seems to be business based, a professional

business disagreement that seems to have become personal. But there's there's much that we

still don't know. But the fact that there is any issue at all is

not completely surprising to me. And I'll tell you why, and I haven't

Uh, I'm gonna just make up some observations that I've heard other people sort

of hint at, but nothing. I'm gonna go a little deeper on this

because hopefully you're all as fascinated by the drama of Daryl Hall and JOHNO says,

I am. But a word for that, the that the youth has

yeah, spilling the tea, Oh, spilling the tea. I'm supposed to

be gossip now, right, right or not? What do you call it?

I don't know. I I well, I don't drink tea, but

if I if I did, I would spill it because I'm clumsy, but

uh so I suppose this is apropos which I think the young people also say

that. I think I DJ reckless saying that. The other day he said

something about, oh, that's very apropos So the young the young, the

young people say that as well. I believe I have observed over the past

five or six years that Daryl Hall has low key. They young people definitely

say that has low key been disparaging John Oates subtly and just a little bit

here and there. Now people who have been following this closely. Everyone refers

to the Bill Maher podcast where Daryl Hall was on Club Random. This was

like, I don't know, five six months ago, he was on Bill

Maher's podcast and Bill Maher brings up, you know, he's he's talking to

Daryl Hall about his career and you know, whether uh they're gonna make new

music or they're just gonna keep touring on the hits and whatnot. And uh,

Bill Maher said something to him about in terms of his decision making.

He said something about, well, but you have a partner, to which

uh, Darryl Hall quickly replied, you think John Oates is my partner?

No, he's he's we're business partners. He's not my creative partner. And

Bill Marri's reaction is like, WHOA, what have I stepped in here?

And Daryl Hall goes on to say that, uh, they're not they're not

creative partners, and uh, they're they're strictly business partners. And yes they

made records together called Hall and Oates, but uh, but that doesn't mean

but but even even on the records, they're very separate, and people are

people are pointing to that, and and did at the time saying why is

he why is he talking about John that way? He's he's making it sound

like he's basically Daryl's basically making himself sound like a solo artist, and like

John Oates is just kind of this hanger on, kind of the Andrew Ridgley

to Daryl's George Michaels and or is it George Michael and you know, uh,

and and then he kind of cleans it up a little bit later in

the podcast because Bill Maher comes back to it and says, well, you

know, when you're a fan of people, you want you want the people

you like to like each other. And at that point, Daryl clarifies,

and he says, and keep in mind, this is before the lawsuit.

Daryl says, oh, no, no, I do like John. We're

friends. We're just we're not We're just not creative partners like people think we

are. John's really being very verbal too. He's going out and talking to

everybody. He told the Los Angeles Trimes. Everything you do is just opposed

against another person. Try doing that sometime. I don't want to use the

word emasculating, because that's mail, but it takes away your individuality. I

thought it was Daryl who said that. No, that was Hall Hall,

Darryl Hall. No, Hall, right, yeah, Daryl said that.

Daryl Hall. What did I say? You said? John Oates, Oh,

I'm sorry. Yeah. John isn't saying as much as Daryl. Well,

so Darrel is Daryl is going, That's what I meant. Darryl is

he's talking to everybody I kept well from everybody. That's that's pre lawsuit.

Yeah, so Daryl, Well, that's what I mean. Though. Darryl

for a while now, for about five or six years, has been trying

to kind of distance himself. And I have a theory about this, and

I found I found a podcast that Daryl was on. This was a while

ago, This was a couple of years ago. I found a podcast interview

that because you know, neither of these guys really do a ton of interviews,

but I found one from a number of years ago where Darryl kind of

strongly implied that some of those songs that are credited where both he and John

are credited as songwriters, it was really mostly Darryl and that they were never

creative equals and that it's more of a ninety ten partnership. So he's been

kind of disparaging John for a while. My understanding is the big thing about

this, this is all about creative control over their names, their music,

things of that nature. But prior to this lawsuit, Oates already sold a

good chunk of his they both did together, So there's a third already sold

off part of their publishing. So in it's this company, Prime Primary Wave.

I think Hall is afraid that if Oates sells his to this third party,

now some third party has controlling ownership over their entire catalog, their name,

their everything. Well not only that, but according to Daryl Hall's attorneys,

part of what is in their their business agreement is there's a confidentiality.

In other words, Darryl is claiming that John violated this confidentiality agreement by showing

the business agreement that they have within Whole Oats Enterprises. It's hard for me

to even say that Hole oates the by showing their agreement to Primary Wave,

because you're not supposed to do that. So, uh, you're not supposed

to do that without Hall approving it. And of them can do that without

the other approving it, which seems to be why the judge has gone ahead

and put a pause on the sale. But Darryl. The thing about Darryl

is I have long held a theory, especially when I noticed Darryl I noticed

something Geez. I noticed this years and years ago. In fact, there

is an album, I think it's Do It for Love, which was the

last full length studio album of all original material that Hall and Oates has ever

put out, And I remember looking Jesus must have been this was like fifteen

years ago. It's been a long time since they put out an original because

Daryl has said they don't have anything to say together creatively. They've put out

solo albums, but the last studio album they put out, you know,

I love to look at liner notes if it's an artist that I'm really interested

in, and like I said, I'm a big fan. And I remember

looking at the liner notes and there's a section where, you know, Darryl

thanks. You know you'll see that in albums. Darryl thanks these people,

and John thanks these people. And I notice in the section where it says

Darryl thanks, he says something like I want to thank my musical team,

and then he and then he lists off all these these names, and I

noticed. I remember thinking, that's interesting. I want to thank my musical

team and not our musical team. That's a good point. And I remember

noticing that. And and I think, if you looked at the part where

John thanks everybody, he actually mentions Daryl. But it's like Daryl never mentions

John. My longstanding theory has been that, uh and forgive the pop psychology

here, but I think Darryl resents I think he resents John Oates because I

think Darryl likes to think of himself as a solo artist. I think that's

part of why he started Live at Darrel's House, which is a great series.

I love, you know, I can I can get lost in watching

those online. But I think that I think that Daryl has always seen himself

that way, and I think he kind of resents, you know, when

he does when he's done solo albums, Like I remember when I was a

kid, he released a solo album called Three Hearts. In The Happy Ending

Machine. There's a song called dream Time, which was the first single,

which was a pretty big hit, but not on the scale necessarily of of

what Hall and Oates has accomplished. Hall and Oates together, they're the biggest

selling duo in pop history, and I think Darryl kind of resents being tied

to John in that way. That's so sad, Yeah it is. But

that's my theory why because even in interviews I remember, uh recently, I

saw an interview that had resurfaced from a couple of years ago where Daryl Hall

is talking about Primary Wave owning the publishing on a lot of their their material,

and he refers to it as my material. He doesn't say our material.

He says, I don't like I don't like this company that you know,

it seemed like a good idea at the time, but I don't like

them owning all of my material. You know. It's just he tends to

talk like that. He tends to refer to and it hasn't always been that

way. Of course, back in the day it wasn't that way. But

I've noticed that over the past five or six years, he he almost talks

about himself, you know, unless John's name happens to come up, like

he's a solo artist. The other thing I will say is Darryl. Don't

get me wrong, I love Daryl Hall, huge fan of his music,

and the show Live at Darrel's House is great and everything, but he has

a reputation for being a little bit of a diva, whereas John Oates has

a reputation for just being the salt of the earth. The only person I've

ever seen say anything negative about John Oates is Daryl Hall. In recent days,

since this lawsuit was filed. Other than that, nobody's ever said a

bad thing about John Oates. I also wonder is there some resentment on Darryl's

part, because Darryl, if you hear him now, he can't sing like

he used to. And that's fine. He's seventy seven years old and your

voice changes. But John Oates, if you go online, let me put

it this way, if you go online and you listen to Darryl Hall singing

recently, you might notice a change. He still sounds great, don't get

me wrong, He's one of the greatest singers ever. But he still sounds

really good. Can't take that away from him, but you can tell does

a change. Right. But if you go online and you find a show

of a recent if you find a video of a recent John Oates show,

John Oates sounds incredible. And I remember finding a YouTube video of John Oates

singing out of Touch, you know, the song out of Touch, of

John Oates singing it at one of his solo shows, and somebody in the

Uh it was like somebody read my mind because somebody in the comments. I

don't usually bother to look at the comments, but for some reason on that

one I did. Somebody actually comment on the video. Wow, John sings

better than Darryl now he used to be the other way around. And uh

so, I wonder if Darryl resents John for that too, because John's John's

voice has clearly not diminished, whereas Darryl's has, and Hall is actually actively

touring as a solo act. They both are, Yeah, they both are

well. Oates, Hall accuses Oates of intentionally trying to sell this stuff now

to disrupt and make his life difficult. I saw that he's doing this.

He's creating on necessity. He said, uh not to mention unnecessary expense and

burden during a time when I'm in the middle of a tour through the US

West Coast, Japan and Manila, Manila, and need to focus and perform

at a top level. I believe that John Oates timed the unauthorized transaction to

create the most harm to me. Respectfully, he must be stopped from this

latest wrongdoing and his malicious conduct reined in once then for all. Wow wow,

wow, No, that's hard. We think these guys went to college

together, they met at Temple University, they became a band of the nineteen

seventies. All this time, but they haven't done anything in nearly two nearly

two decades from what I've been reading up as far as like doing anything more,

it's been well, they tour, they've they've toured together. The last

time they actually put anything out together was It's been nearly twenty years since they've

done that. But it's sad to see this long relationship devolve into this.

But I can't blame I'm I'm kind of in camp haul here because I can't

blame him for not wanting a third party to have controlling interest of his work,

right, you know, of their work. I can see why that

would be. Really, I mean, what happens if they do it?

Could Hall legally be prohibited from playing music? No, No, it doesn't

work that way, but it would be. The Thing is, when somebody

else owns your publishing, the publishing rights to your music, and it's a

big subject and I don't know all the ins and outs of it. I

only know a little bit, but they decide how it's used. So let's

say, whoever owns your publishing, they want to sell your song to a

car company to use in their commercial. Well, if you, as the

artist who wrote and recorded that song, you know, if you own your

publishing, you have a right to, you know, do whatever you want

with it. But if somebody else owns your publishing, they have a right

to do whatever they want with it. Yep, some of these artists who

are selling their publishing. Springsteen did it. Neil Young did it. Neil

Young claimed, though in his interview you on Howard Stern that when he sold

off his publishing because you know they're cashing out. They're getting huge sums of

huge lump sums of money to sell off their publishing. Neil Young claims that

in his agreement, I think it was Neil Young who said this, or

maybe it was David Crosby before he died, said that in their agreement they

still have veto power over how their music is used, although that's not how

it's supposed to work. So I wonder if that was I wondered if that

was true. But yeah, so Darryl might be concerned about how their music

is going to be used. And and uh, if if it's true that

John Oates violated that confidentiality agreement, then that's a problem. Absolutely. I

tend to be on team Oates though, team John because uh well, first

of all, the mustache, oh come on, truly one of the great

mustache no, listen, listen, that is John Oates in the eighties.

For you, you young gus who might not know, you'll have to go

back and look. Go to Google images, type in John Oates. He

had a mustache that rivaled Tom Selleck. Uh who else? It is a

very Wilford Brimley. Yes, yes, it is not a reason, I

do not believe. And it inspired and it inspired a cartoon J Stash.

Really yeah, I don't real, No, for real, there's a if

you if you go on YouTube and look up J Stash, it's really funny.

Is it just the Stash or is he his body? It's a whole

thing. You gotta you gotta see it. It's really funny. When you

had a chance, go on YouTube and look up J Stash cartoon. It's

really funny. It's really funny. Yeah, it was. It was a

whole thing, and he was involved in it. He provided the voice for

it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, this was like fifteen years ago.

Maybe it didn't go anywhere though, unfortunately. But no, I mean just

on just based on reputation, I mean, uh, you know, John

sounds like the much nicer person just generally. I do find it hard to

believe that he's doing any of this out of malice to Daryl Hall. But

again, I mean legally, if he's not supposed to share any confidential business

information with Primary Wave and he did that, uh then uh, you know,

it's hard not to be on team Darryl, I suppose. But Daryl

does have a rep for being a bit of a diva. I wonder did

he I mean, did he did he have like a first ride, a

refusal or anything like that, you know what I mean? Like, was

there any effort to let him buy his himself instead of selling it to the

third party? Yeah, I don't know that would make sense to me.

Like first, hey, buddy, do you want it? You know,

I'll sell it to you. I don't want it anymore. I want the

money I'll sell to you. Yeah. But yeah, there's I mean,

there's a lot that we still don't know, but more details keep trickling out.

What we do know is their their relationship feels like it's irretably they've lost

that love and feeling. Yes, whoa that love and feeling? What's your

favorite tar home? Jronald's song? Uh? You know it kind of changes.

I mean I think probably out of Touch is the one that I've listened

to the most over the course of my life. I love Family Man,

which at one point was famously banned here at WM and H. Yeah,

Peter did that. Peter White, Uh, not a family not a fan

of Family Man. I'll tell you it was a whole thing, you know

what. I we had a lot of long, long time listeners might know

about that. It's a lot to it's a lot to explain. It was

a whole bit that we It was one of those bits that sort of enveloped

both this show and the Morning Show, and we had a lot of fun

with it. It was a number of years ago now, But my one

regret about that, I wish that it all happened around April first of that

year, because I would have loved to have come in as an April fool's

joke, come in to do my show and just play family Man for two

hours. I think that would have been hilarious. But the timing of it

didn't work out. It wasn't during the month of April or going into April

that that all happened. But we had a lot of fun the famous family

Man saga. But the other thing about this is I remember within the last

year reading an interview with John Oates before all of this happened, where somebody

asked him about, you know, do you guys ever fight, you guys

ever argue and disagree over anything? And he said, and Daryl Holland had

said this too in the past, that the two of them in their five

decades of working together, had never had an actual argument. How can they

be so distant now? Then? I know, I don't buy it.

Come on, oh, that they'd never had an argument? Yeah, I

mean, I'm sure they had disagreements, but but yeah, they both claimed

that they'd never like actual yelled at each other or stormed out of the studio

or slamming doors or anything like that. I could see that. I could

see that. But it's just it stinks that they're so far apart from one

another now. And then what happens if it is allowed to be sold to

the third party? Does that mean that third party will have the control over

everything because it's not it. This is their name, their logo, their

music, it's everything about them. Yeah yeah, jeez. You know what's

really sad too, is is this how they want to go out? I

mean yeah, I mean just on a you know, putting everything else aside,

just on a human level. I mean, Darryl Hall is seventy seven

years old, Johnois is seventy five, and this is how it's gonna do

it from nineteen seventy this is how it's gonna end. That that part is

heartbreaking to me. It is horrible it is horrible. You know, all

that success, the biggest selling duo of all time, and this is how

it's gonna end. And they like the nice guys in music, right,

They're the guys that you'd want to go listen to and relax and have fun

and jokerund they were the happy guys. Yeah, it's hard to see these

two like happy guys not so happy is you know? Watching them growing up?

Their music, I mean it was it was always good music. It

was you know, it wasn't like, oh I kill something, it's it

was always good music, happy music, you know, loving music. And

they always seemed to be those those people. It's hard to see them in

this really negative, nasty light. Yeah, where they're just at each other's

throats, trying to hurt each other basically. Yeah, maybe they stayed together

too long, maybe and grew to resent each other. Those people do that

relationships I've had. I had a relationship too long. So yeah, you

sent me an article here from grunge dot com. Oh I about this and

well or actually he also put it in the chairman. I clicked it and

just kind of scrolling down. Yeah, this one just came out, this

article I just sent you from grunge. Yeah, literally just came out within

a few hours. So it talks a lot about their career and whatnot,

but then it is scrolling down to the part where it talks about what's happened

recently. It says here, Daryl Hall also seemed to resent, and that's

the word that I used. I think he resents John Oates. He seemed

to resent what his partnership with John Oates represented. He told the La Times,

quote, everything you do is juxtaposed against another person. Try doing that

sometime. I don't want to use the word emasculating, because that's mail,

but it takes away your individuality unquote. Hal's annoyance at his lack of individuality

could be why he hasn't worked together musically with Oates for a long time.

He once again mentioned Oates on an episode of Club Random with Bill Maher.

That's what I was talking about earlier, saying, quote, he is my

business partner, he's not my creative partner. We made records called Hall and

Oates together, but we've always been very separate, and that's a really important

thing for me. Unquote. Oates additionally clarified that the pair aren't close anymore.

In twenty twenty three, he told the Big Takeover quote, I think

we have both grown apart professionally and personally. I think we both want to

do something else unquote. Then in November twenty twenty three, Hall filed the

lawsuit against Oates. As reported, the lawsuit falls under the contract debt category,

and it says no further details have been released, but obviously something's happening

out now. There is a temporary restraining lay preventing the sale from occurring.

Yeah, that was a weird thing too, because when this story first broke,

everybody was like, oh, everybody was like, you got a restraining

order against John Oates? Does he think John Oates is gonna come beat him

up? And I remember reading that and thinking, no, I think the

restraining you know, our restraining order legally, I mean, I'm not a

legal expert, but it has other applications, like you're trying to prevent somebody

from doing something, which is exactly what this restraining order is about, trying

to prevent John Oates from completing this what has been deemed an unauthorized transaction.

People. Yes, it's in regards to some kind of violence, domestic violence

or something like that, right, exactly necessarily, you know, but it

applies in a lot of places. But yeah, he so he cannot they

cannot go forward with the sale until this is resolved in court, or until

the judge says to heck with it and lifts the restraining order. But I

don't see that happening. I think this is going to be a long drawn

out court battle, which is sad to say, but I think that's exactly

what we're what we're looking at. But uh, it's funny too, with

the restraining order thing. And like I said, I I kind of sense

that everyone was taking that the wrong way. But I also remember too,

just coincidentally, this was from I'd seen the clip on YouTube. This would

have been from, jeez, I don't know, at least fifteen years ago.

But Darryl Hall, he was a guest on the Howard Stern Show.

And you know how Howard is, He's always trying to trying to find the

dirt and always trying to be a little provocative, and he was asking Darryl,

well, how come your partner's not here with you today? You don't

like him, do you? I bet you guys argue all the time,

right, because you're the talented one and he's just kind of the hanger on.

And at that time, though, Daryl was like sticking up for John,

and he was like, John's written a lot of our hit songs,

but John. Darryl also made a comment, Oh, because Howard asks Darryl,

but you could take him in a fight, right, you know,

you're taller, so you've got reach on him. You could take him in

a fight. And Darryl says something about, well, you know, John

was a wrestler in college, he was on the wrestling team. He could

probably kick my ass. So I just so I thought of that when I

first saw about the restraining order. It's like, oh, maybe Darryl really

is afraid of John Oates. But no, no, I would be afraid

of the mustache because that could be a sentient being, much like AI could

be someday. But uh, yeah, it's uh, the whole thing is

just just very sad, very sad it is. But I mean it's a

huge issue. It's it's a lifetime of work, a ginormous catalog. Isaac

Banks says in the chat room that his favorite song is Private Eyes by Holland

Oates. Yes, do you think do you. Uh, there's someone that

claims to have a list here of Daryl Hall's five favorite Holland Oates songs.

You get one if you can guess. Well, I don't know if Daryl

feels this way, but I've heard John Oates say in multiple interviews. Oh

wait, no, I'm sorry it was Daryl who said this. So She's

Gone has to be on the list because Darryl has said in interviews that that

is the best song that he and John Oates ever wrote together. Is is

She's Gone? First? The first one on the list was She's Gone?

Yeah, yeah, you want to take a stab at any of the others?

What? What else? Uh? His favorite? Uh? Yeah,

it's hard to guess his favorite Wait for Me, maybe because he likes to

really milk that one when they do it live. Oh god, I can't

go for that. Nope, I don't know. I give up it.

They've got so much so the winning the winning songs are one on one okay,

uh, you make My dreams? Yeah, every time you go away

Sarah smiles, Sarah smile, Yeah, Sarah smile smile. Sorry I pluralized

it. And then She's Gone. Those were the five songs listed as Daryl

Hall's favorite Holland Oats songs, Ah does that surprise you? And no no,

uh every time you go away. By the way, for anyone who

doesn't remember that song, you might uh remember Paul Young's version of it.

Paul Young in the eighties did a cover of that and had a huge hit.

But that was actually a Hall and Oates song originally. And there I

don't did they ever actually record their Yeah, they must have recorded their version,

but there's also a live version. They also did it when they did

the live at the Apollo. They performed that live and uh, I prefer

I prefer Darryl seeing it. Isaac Banks says in The Shaman, my favorite

song is I Can't go for that No can do by Hall and Oates.

His he keeps changing his mind, he said, he said, yeah,

he said before it was Private Eyes. I wonder about this company, Primary

Wave, Like, how many catalogs do they own? Makes you wonder probably

quite a few. Were kind of a collection they've got going. Yeah,

yeah, it's big business. I'm curious. I wonder if I can find

out any more about them. But a lot of these artists are cashing out

and just selling off their publishing. Oh boy. They also own Ray Charles,

Bob Marley, Whitney Hughes, Bert Batarac, Smokey Robertson and the Fourth

Seasons to name a few. Yeah, since twenty sixteen, apparently they Yeah,

they're out there. Well, it's a very lucrative part of music that

doesn't get talked about that much publicly. Is all the royalty and the right

side of it. Well, you know what the most infamous in the in

modern musical history. You know what, the most infamous example is right of

somebody purchasing somebody's publishing Prince what do you mean, prince when he changed his

name? Oh no, no, no no, When somebody purchasing the rights

the publishing rights to somebody else's music. When Michael Jackson bought the Beatles,

you got it? Ha ha, yep, yep. And who owns that

now? Because Michael passed away, do his kids own it or did they

sell it? I wonder they might? Yeah, because he literally went up

against ruined it ruined their friendship. Paul McCarthy wanted to buy the rights to

his own music and Michael Jackson, I'll bit him, yep. Was it

wasn't it a Southerbys or something it was. It was some kind of oxygen.

Yeah. Yeah, well because hi, but you didn't think I'd guess

it. Huh yeah, uh, Paul. Paul McCartney was very bitter over

that because he because he thought he thought Michael Jackson was kidding. You know,

they had had a hit song with say and didn't they do? They

have two hit songs together that they did. But uh. Paul McCartney talks

about a conversation he had had with Michael Jackson where Michael Jackson said told him

he was going to buy he was going to buy his songs, he was

going to buy the publishing of the Beatles, and McCartney thought he was kidding,

and then it happened, and uh, I think that. I don't.

I don't know if they ever spoke to each other again, well,

I wouldn't want to. Yeah. Regard to me, my buddy, how

do you run? Do you buy my music out from under me? That's

crazy, it is, it's crazy. But you know, companies like Primary

Wave cat they're getting quite the catalog. So yeah, I don't know how

I feel about that. I like artists owning their own stuff, you know.

But yeah, but if they want to sell it, sell it.

Yeah, it's just I don't know. I think John Oates is saying it,

I'm going to cash out, you know. I mean again, these

guys are you know, it's not like he's going to pass it down,

you know what I mean? Like, well, well, yeah, no

he could. I mean, but it's not like there's going to be any

more creativity coming out of it. I think, is where I'm kind of

trying to go from. It's like, you know, when these guys are

gone, it's gone. It's over. It doesn't continue. So maybe he

just wants to put a put a period in it and walk away. Yeah,

but I don't blame Hall for being worried about somebody else having the right

to do sell chicken to their music, right. Yeah. Trying to think

of what what Hall and Oats song would go well in a KFC ad,

but nothing comes to mind. Uh. I can't go for that, No,

because because they want you to buy their chicken, you to go for

it. Yeah, yeah, they can't do that. I won't go for

it. Maybe wait for me, you think, yeah, because you know,

if you're saying, oh you're going to KFC, wait for me,

Wait for me, please, I want some of that fried chicken. No,

no, no, I can't sing it like Daryl Hall does. Of

course, Daryl Hall can't sing it like Daryl Hall does either anymore. But

John oatescan and Darryl resents that apparently deal. There will be more to come

out of these two. I suspect that this is not going to be a

quickly resolved issue. I see this being ugly long court battle. Yeah,

it's very sad. It comes out with no winners, very sad. It's

a shame. Come on, can't we all get get along Kumbaya moment?

Well, dang it, there's our dang it, there's our eulogy for the

great uh Daryl Hall team of Darryl Hall and John Oates. All right,

we got a oats you love it? I love it? I don't all

it's the worst album, worst album title ever. It's their company name too.

By the way, have you ever noticed some of their albums, They

they don't even say Some of them say Daryl Hall and John Oates, some

of them don't. Some of them say Daryl Hall, John Oates, without

the without the end. I wonder if that's Darryl's doing. Maybe that was

when the split started. Did you figure out when that was? What year?

Did they drop the end well or did they ever use the end again?

After what it? It came and went like, I'm looking at the

cover of H two O and it just says Daryl Hall John Oates. But

that was an early one because we are going to close with a Family Man,

which, Oh, I'm looking at the same cover which was on the

al there's another one that has a plus sign. Oh really, yeah,

I'm looking at the cover of the single for Family Man. It just says

Darryl Hall John Oates says, no end or plus or is that the one

that has like the yellow and red star behind it? There's no star,

but I don't know anyway, it doesn't matter. We gotta go

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