Field Dispatch
Matt Connarton Unleashed 12-6-25 hour 3
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Speaker 9: That is not giving up. The band is the Forensics,
Speaker 9: and the Forensics is our featured artist in this hour
Speaker 9: we're going to speak with. At least we got one
Speaker 9: of the guys I think on with us via Microsoft
Speaker 9: teams and we're gonna speak with them in just a moment.
Speaker 9: But welcome everybody. This is our number three New Marrow
Speaker 9: trace of Matt Connorton Unleashed. If you are listening live
Speaker 9: on Saturday today is December sixth, twenty twenty five. We
Speaker 9: are live from the studios of wm NH ninety five
Speaker 9: point three FM in Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. Of course,
Speaker 9: you can stream the show from anywhere. Go to Matt
Speaker 9: connorton dot com slash live for all your live streaming options,
Speaker 9: social media links, contact info, show archives, et cetera, at
Speaker 9: et cetera. And let's see. I think we've got Jordan
Speaker 9: King from the band on the line with us.
Speaker 10: Hello, yes, hello, thank you for having me.
Speaker 9: Absolutely welcome. I love that song and as I think
Speaker 9: you know too, the first single we had played from
Speaker 9: you guys was Maxine and I love that one too.
Speaker 9: We had that one in kind of heavy rotation around
Speaker 9: here for a while, but but I love this track,
Speaker 9: not giving Up. It's really good. When did this come out?
Speaker 10: This has only really been out a week, I believe,
Speaker 10: so not too long at all.
Speaker 9: Very new. Yeah's depressed outstanding now Jordan, Is it just you?
Speaker 9: Rs anybody with you?
Speaker 10: It's just myself today, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know
Speaker 10: what the rest of the guys are doing.
Speaker 9: That's all right. Sometimes less is more. Sometimes we get
Speaker 9: you know, a bunch of people on teams and it's, uh,
Speaker 9: it becomes confusing. So we're happy to have you. Now,
Speaker 9: what do you do in the band?
Speaker 10: So I'm the lead guitarist. Okay, So all the little
Speaker 10: riffs and stuff you heard in that track was cut myself.
Speaker 8: So yeah, excellent.
Speaker 9: What I want to ask you too about is there's
Speaker 9: a surprise in that song because when you listen to it,
Speaker 9: you don't really expect, especially you know, hearing your other songs,
Speaker 9: when that saxophone comes in, you don't see that coming,
Speaker 9: or perhaps I should say, you don't hear that coming.
Speaker 9: But it fits a song perfectly. I mean, it works
Speaker 9: really well. But it's a surprise the first time you
Speaker 9: listen to the song. Do one of you guys in
Speaker 9: the band play the sacks or did you bring in
Speaker 9: somebody outside to do that, or how did that come about.
Speaker 10: I'm glad that you say it was a surprise. That
Speaker 10: was kind of the idea. So none of us play saxophone.
Speaker 10: The where that came from. It was an idea for myself.
Speaker 10: So we were sat in the studio. I got the
Speaker 10: lead guitar part down for the breakdown at the end
Speaker 10: of the track, and I just thought it was missing something.
Speaker 10: And I've always liked, you know, brass instruments, et cetera.
Speaker 10: One of my favorite pieces of music is Baker Street.
Speaker 10: I love the sax on that piece of music. Yes,
Speaker 10: you know, I wonder if a sax would fit in here.
Speaker 10: So we went externally, brought someone in to do it,
Speaker 10: and know it's on the track now.
Speaker 9: So that's fantastic. Yeah, no, it fits perfectly. Baker's Street
Speaker 9: is a great example too of where you can do
Speaker 9: that really effectively. But when you do that, so what
Speaker 9: happens when you do that song live? Or have you
Speaker 9: played that song live?
Speaker 10: So we've been playing that song live for about a
Speaker 10: year now. I think obviously as a small band, it's
Speaker 10: difficult to get someone on board that plays saxophone, so
Speaker 10: we play it slightly different live. It's a lot heavier live,
Speaker 10: more guitar driven. Obviously, the am eventually would be to
Speaker 10: have someone play that live with us with the sax
Speaker 10: that'd be pretty cool, but we can't do that at
Speaker 10: the moment.
Speaker 9: At the same time, though, it must be kind of
Speaker 9: fun too to play it a different way live, just
Speaker 9: because it you know, I would guess it kind of
Speaker 9: keeps it fresh for you guys, right, you know, you're
Speaker 9: kind of it gives you some room to kind of
Speaker 9: experiment and only, like you said, maybe make it a
Speaker 9: little heavier live, you know, probably goes over well, I would.
Speaker 10: Imagine, definitely. Yeah, that's the way we try to play
Speaker 10: live all the time. It keeps it fresh and exciting.
Speaker 10: We like to do things slightly different live, maybe extend
Speaker 10: tracks or One thing that we do often is we
Speaker 10: merge songs together. So we've got two new singles coming
Speaker 10: out next year, and when we play them live, they
Speaker 10: fade into each other live, which is quite cool. So yeah,
Speaker 10: we enjoy doing stuff like that when we perform.
Speaker 9: Oh, excellent, excellent.
Speaker 8: How long have you guys?
Speaker 9: I mean it's it's been it's been a few years, right,
Speaker 9: Like we we've just been getting to know you. I
Speaker 9: think May was when you were on before and is
Speaker 9: that around when Maxine came out? Because I love that
Speaker 9: song too, that's such a great track.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that came out first half of this year.
Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, okay, but have you guys been around since
Speaker 9: what twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, or.
Speaker 10: Man, time flies, doesn't it? Yeah that sounds about right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 10: So we formed originally me and my friend who's no
Speaker 10: longer with the band, so he was our first bassist.
Speaker 10: We met in the pub over a drink, decided we
Speaker 10: wanted to be in a band, and that's kind of
Speaker 10: how it came about. So me and him started writing
Speaker 10: some things. Then Liam, the lead singer joined. He'd played
Speaker 10: in a band previously with our drummer, so that kind
Speaker 10: of pulled things together. And yeah, it must have been
Speaker 10: nearly four years now, which is frightening.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 9: Yeah, no, the time does go quickly. Have you guys
Speaker 9: been you know, we talked a little bit about touchdown
Speaker 9: playing live. Have you guys been doing a lot of shows?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 10: We usually gig quite a lot, although the back end
Speaker 10: of this year we've taken the foot off the gas
Speaker 10: a little bit and focused more on studio things. We
Speaker 10: want to get a few new tracks out next year
Speaker 10: after not giving up. That's just come out of course,
Speaker 10: and we're putting a big push on social media I
Speaker 10: think at the moment as well, to try and grow
Speaker 10: a bit of a stronger online presence. So we do
Speaker 10: have two shows like for the start of next year. Well,
Speaker 10: I guess we'll see what the new year brings, but yeah,
Speaker 10: a lot of focus on studio stuff at the moment
Speaker 10: and social media.
Speaker 9: Where do you guys record? You know, I always like to, uh,
Speaker 9: I mean, I have a bit of an autoio engineering
Speaker 9: background myself, so I'm a little bit of a nerd
Speaker 9: for this kind of stuff. But I'm just curious because
Speaker 9: there's so many different ways to record now. You know,
Speaker 9: when I was growing I'm old enough to remember when
Speaker 9: basically your option was you you go to a studio
Speaker 9: or you know, you could maybe by yourself a little
Speaker 9: task scam recorder and make four track recordings at home
Speaker 9: and that was about it. But because it's obvious in
Speaker 9: listening to your music and talking with you that that
Speaker 9: sonically it's very important to get this right. You're you're
Speaker 9: you're clearly, you're every everything is very everything just sounds
Speaker 9: like you can you can just tell. You can tell
Speaker 9: by listening to your songs that you put a lot
Speaker 9: into not only the writing of the songs, but the
Speaker 9: recording of them, so you it certainly doesn't sound like
Speaker 9: a situation where you're just going to a studio for
Speaker 9: a day and spending a couple of hours and banging
Speaker 9: these out. I assume a lot goes into them. I
Speaker 9: don't know if you have a producer that you work
Speaker 9: with or tell me about the recording process.
Speaker 10: Yeah, of course, yeah, And we love going in the studio.
Speaker 10: It's the favorite thing for all members of the band.
Speaker 10: I think they'd all agree of going into the studio.
Speaker 10: And you're completely right, it's not a case of going
Speaker 10: in and banging these out in a couple of hours.
Speaker 10: A lot of work goes into it. I think to
Speaker 10: give you an insight as to how we operate as
Speaker 10: a band, and this is very similar across bands of
Speaker 10: our size. Studio hire is very expensive for alongside hiring
Speaker 10: a producer as well, so a lot of the work
Speaker 10: actually comes pre studio. We do a lot of work
Speaker 10: in practice rooms beforehand. We'll kind of do our own
Speaker 10: mixes on our own software first. That's where a lot
Speaker 10: of the experiment experimental things come into play. Then we
Speaker 10: can go into this studio get the basic layer of
Speaker 10: the track down and then that gives us a lot
Speaker 10: of time to play around with other things and different
Speaker 10: sounds that you can't produce on your own outside of
Speaker 10: that studio environment. So that's the way that we tend
Speaker 10: to do it. So we probably get a track down,
Speaker 10: as you said, you bang it out in a few hours.
Speaker 10: But then because we've done all of that leg work beforehand,
Speaker 10: it gives us that freedom of expression, if you will,
Speaker 10: in the studio to try different things and maybe get
Speaker 10: different instruments in there, like the sax idea for example.
Speaker 10: And so that's how we tend to go about our recording,
Speaker 10: a lot of legwork beforehand, into the studio, get the
Speaker 10: track down, and then we can I don't think mess
Speaker 10: around is the right phrase. Yeah, sometimes it feels.
Speaker 9: Like it, you know.
Speaker 10: So that's how we tend to go about it. I
Speaker 10: think we recording a place called the Grand in Clytherill,
Speaker 10: which actually has a huge stage attached to it, which
Speaker 10: is awesome. We've played that live which was really cool. Yeah,
Speaker 10: it's a quite cool venue. Actually it's in a place
Speaker 10: called Clitherow, which I appreciate. You got to state size.
Speaker 10: So it's about forty minutes drive from Manchester, okay, so
Speaker 10: not too.
Speaker 9: Far away, not bad, No, And it's great that you
Speaker 9: go there prepared. You know, you can save a lot
Speaker 9: of time and money if you're well prepared going to
Speaker 9: the studio. Yeah, it's cool too that it's got a
Speaker 9: venue there as well. I don't know why. I mean,
Speaker 9: there's definitely examples here of places like that, but I
Speaker 9: can't think of any off the top of my head
Speaker 9: where you know, there's a recording studio and there's a
Speaker 9: stage and they you know, and it kind of works
Speaker 9: as both a studio and a venue. It's such a
Speaker 9: it's such a great concept and it seems so obvious,
Speaker 9: but it's probably a lot to do correctly. But I wish, like,
Speaker 9: like I said, I know this place is like that
Speaker 9: here too. I just can't think of many. I can't
Speaker 9: think of any off the top of my head. But
Speaker 9: have you been have you always worked like from the
Speaker 9: beginning of this project, has it always been the same studio?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 10: So we recorded a different studio once and this was
Speaker 10: a long time ago to when our first single came out,
Speaker 10: so I actually can't recall what the name was. It was.
Speaker 10: It was somewhere near Warrington, but I don't know. And
Speaker 10: then since then there was another place I believe in
Speaker 10: clude Throw that we recorded in, and then so yeah,
Speaker 10: we're recorded in quite a few actually, now I think
Speaker 10: about it. One studio was particularly cool because the studio
Speaker 10: was right at the top of a three story building
Speaker 10: and the first floor had a bar, so it was great.
Speaker 10: So once you've done, once you've done, let's say i'd
Speaker 10: finished my guitar part, so I don't have to sit
Speaker 10: and listen to Dan bash on the drums or le
Speaker 10: and du vocals, I can slip away and grab myself
Speaker 10: a beer and then come back in a few hours
Speaker 10: time and see what they've cracked on with, which was
Speaker 10: quite a cool setup. So right, I liked that place,
Speaker 10: so it was cool.
Speaker 9: Oh that's cool.
Speaker 8: That's well.
Speaker 9: I'm sure I've asked you this before. I think the
Speaker 9: last time you were on. I'm pretty sure I asked,
Speaker 9: but I don't remember what the answer was. And you know,
Speaker 9: obviously we have newer listeners who aren't familiar with you.
Speaker 10: Yet.
Speaker 9: Where does the name come from the forensics.
Speaker 10: That's a really good question. I'm actually not undred percential myself.
Speaker 10: I'm completely honest with you. We've had that name for
Speaker 10: a good number of years. I think we just who
Speaker 10: I think it might have been Liam's idea, and obviously
Speaker 10: he's not with us today, so I actually don't know
Speaker 10: where it came from. Obviously, forensics has that tie into
Speaker 10: police work and that kind of stuff, but we've never
Speaker 10: We did a bit of that stuff for Maxine. When
Speaker 10: we released Maxine, some of our artwork was was in
Speaker 10: forensic suits and we have played we have played live
Speaker 10: in forensic suits as well, which is quite cool. But
Speaker 10: by gosh, did they get warm halfway through a show?
Speaker 10: Really likes pointing at you?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I can imagine.
Speaker 10: But as far as the name goes, I don't know
Speaker 10: where it came from. But when someone pitched the idea
Speaker 10: forensics to me, I just thought, yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah,
Speaker 10: And then the fingerprint as the logo, I thought, yeah,
Speaker 10: that's quite cool as well. So where it comes from,
Speaker 10: I have no idea, but I quite like it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, No, it's excellent. Is that the name that the
Speaker 9: band had right from the beginning.
Speaker 10: So we were originally called Riley James and the Summer
Speaker 10: Tones because Liam was a solo artist before he joined
Speaker 10: the band, so we played a lot of his solo
Speaker 10: stuff as a band when we initially came together, so
Speaker 10: it was called Riley James. That was his single stuff,
Speaker 10: and the Summer Tones was the idea for the rest
Speaker 10: of the band. But eventually I think we all came
Speaker 10: together and thought, no, we want to write music as
Speaker 10: a band, and if we're going to do that, you know,
Speaker 10: we need to have a defined name, and so we
Speaker 10: decided on the Forensics.
Speaker 9: Was that challenging at all for Liam? I mean, not
Speaker 9: that you want to speak for him, I'm sure, but
Speaker 9: I'm just curious because that's obviously an adjustment.
Speaker 10: For him, right, I think it was and adjustment.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 10: I don't think he struggled with it. I think it
Speaker 10: was a conversation that happened over a good number of weeks.
Speaker 10: There was a bit of back and forth, of course,
Speaker 10: on which way we wanted to take the band. I
Speaker 10: think looking back now over the years, it was certainly
Speaker 10: the right decision, and I think we've got a really
Speaker 10: unique sound now as a band. It's interesting to watch
Speaker 10: how we progress from what you could define as quite
Speaker 10: light indie pop to almost rocky in a sense, which
Speaker 10: is quite a cool development. Yeah, and I don't think
Speaker 10: that would have happened if it was driven by one individual.
Speaker 10: I think that's because as a group we have very
Speaker 10: unique and individual inspirations, which when you put them all together,
Speaker 10: is quite a good recipe.
Speaker 9: So yeah, absolutely, absolutely, so yeah, so not giving up
Speaker 9: is really new. And then what's kind of the do
Speaker 9: you know when the next single is going to be
Speaker 9: or what's kind of the forward? Tragic as far as
Speaker 9: because I assume, I mean, it strikes me that you
Speaker 9: guys probably have a lot of ideas in the band.
Speaker 9: I mean you're probably always writing, I would guess.
Speaker 10: Always writing. Yeah, many many songs. If we jumped into
Speaker 10: the studio tomorrow and had unlimited time. I think we
Speaker 10: have about ten tracks right now that we could record.
Speaker 10: So obviously a lot of that makes up our live performances,
Speaker 10: which is it keeps it fresh as well, because you
Speaker 10: can rotate songs in and out, so you never get
Speaker 10: bored of the tracks you're playing with. Regards to future plans,
Speaker 10: unconfirmed as to when we're going to release them, but
Speaker 10: we are in the studio in two weeks time to
Speaker 10: finish off three tracks that we got down a few
Speaker 10: months ago. Oh so we went went to the studio
Speaker 10: a few months back, got three quarters of them done,
Speaker 10: I would say. So we're going back in two weeks
Speaker 10: to get vocals and lead guitar finished, which I'm excited for.
Speaker 10: When the will come out, I'm not too sure, but
Speaker 10: there's three singles that within two weeks time should be
Speaker 10: pretty close to to mastard and ready for release.
Speaker 9: Oh fantastic, Yeah, no, I can't can't wait to hear them. Man,
Speaker 9: you know, we we'd love to continue to be sort
Speaker 9: of your your conduit here into the American radio market
Speaker 9: because we love what you're doing. I remember the response
Speaker 9: that we got when we played Maxine for the first time,
Speaker 9: and we you know, we heard a lot of positive
Speaker 9: response on that here. It's such a great song, gets
Speaker 9: really gets stuck in your head. You know, it's so good,
Speaker 9: so so absolutely love it. And then so are you
Speaker 9: are you do you have live shows like this weekend.
Speaker 10: Or no, not this weekend. So we're not doing any
Speaker 10: live shows now until next year. Okay, So I think
Speaker 10: our first show is April. I think the main focus
Speaker 10: is get in the studio, get these tracks finished, and
Speaker 10: then figure out a release schedule for them, you know,
Speaker 10: understanding what we want to do for social media promotion
Speaker 10: and vinyl pressing and that kind of stuff, So I
Speaker 10: think that'll be our main focus for the next few months.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Absolutely absolutely well Jordan,
Speaker 9: you know, we appreciate you joining us, love the new track,
Speaker 9: not giving up and in a moment, well, like I said,
Speaker 9: we'll end the conversation with Maxine, another great song. Where's
Speaker 9: the best place for people to go online to keep
Speaker 9: up with everything that the Forensics is doing?
Speaker 10: So the best place to find us for understanding a
Speaker 10: bit more about us on a personal level is definitely TikTok.
Speaker 10: So that's just at Forensics Band. Find us on TikTok.
Speaker 10: We post on their very regularly once a day probably.
Speaker 10: If you want more official updates, gigs, single releases, all
Speaker 10: that kind of good stuff, Instagram's probably the best place
Speaker 10: for that. That would be the same handle that would
Speaker 10: be at Forensics Band. So either of them Facebook not Facebook,
Speaker 10: So I didn't mention that Instagram or TikTok would be
Speaker 10: the best place.
Speaker 9: Okay, wonderful, wonderful, Well, Jordan, thank you again so much.
Speaker 9: We'll let you go and we're gonna hit this track, Maxine.
Speaker 9: But we appreciate you talking with us today and we'll
Speaker 9: definitely do it again in the future. And you know,
Speaker 9: like I said, whenever the next single's ready, we'll we'll
Speaker 9: have you back on and we'll we'd love to do
Speaker 9: the American radio premiere here and keep up the great work.
Speaker 9: We're big fans here.
Speaker 10: Yeah, for sure. No, I appreciate it. Thank you very
Speaker 10: much for having me. It's great to shot.
Speaker 9: All right, Jordan, thank you, take care, thanks you too,
Speaker 9: Bye bye bye bye. All right. That is Jordan from
Speaker 9: the band The Forensics, and we're gonna play now the
Speaker 9: first single that we played from the band here on
Speaker 9: the show again. This is a personal favorite of mine.
Speaker 9: I know Jenny really loves this one too. This is
Speaker 9: called Maxine and the band is The Forensics.
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Speaker 5: because I've seen you with my dreams.
Speaker 8: Oh please not.
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Speaker 5: The morning rings mean.
Speaker 7: Green sleeves, us wondering why.
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Speaker 4: Some say the Leadings got away your mess, and no.
Speaker 7: Say seven free.
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Speaker 9: I love that track so much. That is Maxie. The
Speaker 9: band is the Forensics. I love that band so much too,
Speaker 9: so I'm gonna play one more from them. This track
Speaker 9: is called LSF and this is the Forensic and Forensics sorry,
Speaker 9: and then after that we're gonna come back in a
Speaker 9: little bit of interesting music news actually uh music, Well
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Speaker 9: my teaser, uh that we will come back and tackle
Speaker 9: just briefly after this track. But here it is. This
Speaker 9: is the Forensics. One more for you. This is called LSF.
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Speaker 9: I do want to thank everyone who has joined us
Speaker 9: on the show today, for those of you listening live
Speaker 9: on Saturday. Of course, in the first hour we had
Speaker 9: Rob critch Lee from the band The Fods, and we're
Speaker 9: actually going to close out the show in just a
Speaker 9: few minutes with another track from The Fods. In the
Speaker 9: second hour, let's see. In the second hour, of course,
Speaker 9: we had the guys from Baron Kismo love their new
Speaker 9: single Easy that just came out pretty recently. We did
Speaker 9: the American radio premiere for that on the show I
Speaker 9: think a week or two ago. It becomes a bit
Speaker 9: of a blur, but love talking to those guys. And
Speaker 9: then of course we talked with Jordan from the band
Speaker 9: The Forensics. We just heard two songs from the Forensics
Speaker 9: to close out that conversation, Max Scene their first single
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Speaker 9: weekend and this particular news item. So we're gonna talk
Speaker 9: about this now, but we might also talk about it
Speaker 9: on Tough Pumps with Eric. This is from Billboard. John
Speaker 9: Cena hit with lawsuit over famed horns sample in theme
Speaker 9: song The Time Is Now. The WWE wrestler turned movie
Speaker 9: star is facing legal claims that the intro to his
Speaker 9: theme song is based on a sample of a nineteen
Speaker 9: seventy four recording that was never properly cleared. Now you
Speaker 9: hear about this, well, you don't hear about it nearly
Speaker 9: as much anymore because everyone's gotten a lot smarter about
Speaker 9: it legally. But you know, I remember growing up there
Speaker 9: were always stories about in hip hop, a hip hop
Speaker 9: artist releases a song, there's a sample in the song,
Speaker 9: very often from an early R and B song, or
Speaker 9: you know, it could be from anything. But so these
Speaker 9: artists would release this music, these hip hop songs with
Speaker 9: samples in them that were not cleared with the rights
Speaker 9: holder of whoever owns that audio, whether it be the
Speaker 9: original artist who did that song that the sample is
Speaker 9: taken from, or a record label or whomever. Right, so
Speaker 9: uncleared samples became a problem. And then you know, obviously
Speaker 9: there's been a lot of litigation about that over the years,
Speaker 9: and I think you don't really hear about that much today.
Speaker 9: That is a story that you heard a lot in
Speaker 9: the eighties and the nineties and even in the two thousands,
Speaker 9: But today you don't really hear a lot of stories
Speaker 9: about while this artist is getting sued because they have
Speaker 9: an uncleared sample on their song or on their album.
Speaker 9: But here now John Cena. Of course, John, he has
Speaker 9: become a mainstream celebrity. He is one of the celebrities.
Speaker 9: He's one of the wrestlers who professional wrestlers who's has
Speaker 9: transcended wrestling and gone on to be a mainstream celebrity.
Speaker 9: Obviously the biggest example of that being The Rock. The
Speaker 9: Rock one of the highest, if not the highest paid
Speaker 9: movie star in Hollywood who initially became famous because of wrestling.
Speaker 9: That's why we call him the Rock, even though his
Speaker 9: real name is Dwayne Johnson, Dwayne the Rock Johnson. But
Speaker 9: you know, he's the greatest example of that. And then
Speaker 9: of course there's other people who you know, hull Cogan
Speaker 9: who passed away not too long ago, hul Cogan, who
Speaker 9: did not find mainstream success in cinema. His movies were
Speaker 9: largely panned because of the films that he starred in.
Speaker 9: Not you know, I'm not talking about Rocky, I'm talking
Speaker 9: about the films where Hogan was actually the star are
Speaker 9: generally pretty awful. So but that doesn't change the fact
Speaker 9: that hul Cogan, despite not really finding success outside of
Speaker 9: professional wrestling, absolutely one of the most fas people on
Speaker 9: the planet. So, but John Cena has also Now John
Speaker 9: Cena is not he has not hit the stratosphere that
Speaker 9: the Rock has hit, of course, but John Cena very
Speaker 9: successful in Hollywood and has transcended professional wrestling. He also
Speaker 9: had and this was really sort of a part of
Speaker 9: his professional wrestling career. He did release an album. He
Speaker 9: has one hip hop album that he released on WWE's
Speaker 9: label at the time, and one of the tracks from
Speaker 9: that album is called the Time is Now, and the
Speaker 9: Time Is Now is the song that John Cena comes
Speaker 9: out to. Now. John Cena has also been in the news.
Speaker 9: When I say it comes out to I mean when
Speaker 9: he comes out of the entrance and goes to the ring.
Speaker 9: For people who are like, what if you're not a
Speaker 9: wrestling fan, you don't know that, So that's what I
Speaker 9: mean by come out to Now. John Cena also has
Speaker 9: been relevant within wrestling recently because he's on his retire
Speaker 9: Ironment tour. He's about to have his final wrestling match
Speaker 9: ever in the WWE, and you know, he's forty eight
Speaker 9: years old and this is it. He's going to commit
Speaker 9: to Hollywood full time, which makes sense. And of course
Speaker 9: there was the John Cena heel turn that happened a
Speaker 9: while back, which actually got a lot of mainstream media attention,
Speaker 9: even though it was part of a professional wrestling storyline,
Speaker 9: but it was such a big deal that the mainstream
Speaker 9: media paid attention to it. So a lot of interesting
Speaker 9: things in a heel turn. Again, for people who don't know,
Speaker 9: that's when a good guy becomes a bad guy. So
Speaker 9: John Cena during his final year in WWE became for
Speaker 9: a short time, he became a bad guy. He became
Speaker 9: a villain, which I thought was very entertaining, but not
Speaker 9: everyone liked it. But anyway, So John Cena is pretty
Speaker 9: relevant these days on multiple levels. He just apparently he
Speaker 9: just was on the Joe Rogan podcast Joe Rogan. I mean,
Speaker 9: I know his stock has fallen a little bit, but
Speaker 9: he's still one of the if not the biggest podcasts
Speaker 9: in the world. And Johnsena was just on there. So
Speaker 9: so John Cene is very relevant right now. But this
Speaker 9: theme song that he's been using for twenty years, apparently
Speaker 9: there is a problem with the sample the horn section.
Speaker 9: Now I should what I'll do is I should have
Speaker 9: had this ready, but let me grab his theme song,
Speaker 9: The Time is Now. I think he says in the
Speaker 9: song you can't see me the Time is Now, because
Speaker 9: that's you know, his thing too, you can't see me? Okay.
Speaker 9: I thought it was called My Time is Now, but
Speaker 9: apparently it's actually called the Time is Now. So there's
Speaker 9: there's horns in it, even though it's a hip hop song.
Speaker 9: Let's see here it is the Time is Now. I'll
Speaker 9: just play a little bit of it for you. Why
Speaker 9: does this have a parental advisory on it? There's no? Uh,
Speaker 9: all right, well, here's definitely a clean version. I was
Speaker 9: gonna say, I don't think there's any swears in it.
Speaker 9: Here's a clean this. This one's definitely clean though, except
Speaker 9: there might be a commercial to sit through before I
Speaker 9: play this. But just so if you're not familiar with
Speaker 9: the song, So you can hear the horns, I don't
Speaker 9: hear anything. Oh, here we go. Hang on, all right,
Speaker 9: here it comes. You can hear the horns right, Your
Speaker 9: time now? Okay, So he actually does say my time
Speaker 9: is now, but the song is called the Time is Now.
Speaker 9: All right, let's pause that. Uh so there's an uncleared
Speaker 9: sample on that apparently. So here's the here's the article again.
Speaker 9: This is from Billboard. WWE superstar and actor John Cena
Speaker 9: is facing a lawsuit over the iconic horn riff from
Speaker 9: his entrance theme, The Time is Now. A questionable legal case,
Speaker 9: but one that shines a light on a tortured history
Speaker 9: of sam and credits behind the famed song. That's interesting.
Speaker 9: So apparently there have been other legal issues with the
Speaker 9: song that I was not aware of, says. The lawsuit
Speaker 9: was filed by the daughter of Pete Schofield, who's nineteen
Speaker 9: seventy four recording of the Night the Lights Went Out
Speaker 9: in Georgia. Everybody knows that song right That's the Night
Speaker 9: that the lights went out in Georgia is the undisputed
Speaker 9: source of the blaring horn blasts at the start of
Speaker 9: Sina's two thousand and five track. In it, she claims
Speaker 9: that Sina and the WWE failed to properly clear the
Speaker 9: sample and breached an earlier fifty thousand dollars settlement over
Speaker 9: the dispute. Now, I did not know. This is news
Speaker 9: to me. I did not know that that had ever happened.
Speaker 9: I think they kept it very quiet. I did not
Speaker 9: know that there was ever a problem established previously over
Speaker 9: that horn section. I do want to and I didn't
Speaker 9: know that there was a settlement. Now you might be thinking,
Speaker 9: though I do know this, might be thinking, why if
Speaker 9: this was already settled, why is this coming up again.
Speaker 9: There's a very good reason. There's a very good reason.
Speaker 9: But we'll come back to that, because I want to
Speaker 9: pull this up. Now. I know the song the Nights
Speaker 9: the night the lights went out in Georgia, I do
Speaker 9: not know. I can't remember though, like I haven't heard
Speaker 9: it in a long time. Is that like if I
Speaker 9: pull that song up, which I'm going to do now,
Speaker 9: and we listen to that, are we going to hear
Speaker 9: that exact I just want to hear it for myself.
Speaker 9: Is it really sampled from that? Because I haven't heard
Speaker 9: that song in forever, But I don't remember hearing in
Speaker 9: that song, you know, the horns. So let's let's find out.
Speaker 9: Pete Schofield and the Canadians The Night the Lights Went
Speaker 9: Out in Georgia. Let's see. I don't know where in
Speaker 9: the song the horns appear, but let's uh, let's find out.
Speaker 9: So this is obviously not the version of the song
Speaker 9: that we're used to hearing. I can't remember because the
Speaker 9: version we're used to hearing, the big hit song The
Speaker 9: Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia has vocals. I
Speaker 9: can't remember who does it, but this is Pete Schofield,
Speaker 9: you know, jazz musician doing his version of it, which
Speaker 9: is an instrumental. I'm hearing a lot of horns, and
Speaker 9: the horns sound similar in tone and timbore to the
Speaker 9: horns in John seen As theme. But I don't hear
Speaker 9: so far. I don't hear that actual.
Speaker 3: Do you.
Speaker 9: I don't hear the actual riff. But let's listen to
Speaker 9: a little bit more of this. Not hearing it.
Speaker 8: Where is it?
Speaker 9: Is it right at the beginning, because I failed to
Speaker 9: unmute this right at the beginning. Let's go back to
Speaker 9: the very beginning. We're not going to listen to a
Speaker 9: whole thing, I promise, because just kill me. I don't
Speaker 9: like this kind of stuff. But here, oh there it is.
Speaker 9: It's in the beginning. Okay, here, all right, okay, guilty. Yeah,
Speaker 9: they definitely took it from that, all right, no getting
Speaker 9: around it. I'm glad I went back to the beginning.
Speaker 9: Let's see, let's go back to this article. Okay, so
Speaker 9: they settled. They settled that for fifty grand. Now there's
Speaker 9: more to this article. Let's back up a little bit actually, Okay.
Speaker 9: So the lawsuit was filed by the daughter of Pete Schofield,
Speaker 9: who's nineteen seventy four recording is the undisputed source of
Speaker 9: the Blaring Horns Horn blasts at the start of Sina's
Speaker 9: two thousand and five track. In it, she claims that
Speaker 9: SENA and the WWE failed to properly clear the sample
Speaker 9: and reached an earlier fifty thousand dollar settlement over the dispute. Okay, so,
Speaker 9: Kim Schofield rights. This is from her December second lawsuit
Speaker 9: obtained by Billboard, which names both John Cena and WWE
Speaker 9: as defendants. Quote. Every effort at informed resolution has been
Speaker 9: met with threats, misrepresentations, and intimidation tactics, leaving plaintiff with
Speaker 9: no recourse but to seek relief from this court. Unquote.
Speaker 9: Now again, this was previously settled, So why is this
Speaker 9: coming up again? Says here The time is now, in
Speaker 9: which Sina wraps over a beat created by producer Jake
Speaker 9: One was released in two thousand and five by Columbia
Speaker 9: House Records and WWE Music Group. The track served as
Speaker 9: a theme song during Sena's rise to superstardom and later
Speaker 9: became a popular track in social media memes. The track
Speaker 9: will likely play at some point during his final WWE
Speaker 9: appearance next week before he retires from wrestling. The song
Speaker 9: is something of a crediting nightmare. The famed horns are
Speaker 9: pulled from Schofield's recording of the Night Went Out in
Speaker 9: Georgia I'm Sorry the Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia,
Speaker 9: which is a cover of a composition by songwriter Bobby
Speaker 9: Russell that's also been released by multiple other artists, including
Speaker 9: Vicky Lawrence, Oh, Vicky Lawrence. She's the one who had
Speaker 9: the big hit with it, Vicky Lawrence and Reba McIntyre.
Speaker 9: Sena song also samples heavily the mop's two thousand hip
Speaker 9: hop classic Anti Up, which itself drew on samples from
Speaker 9: Sam and Dave's soul sister Brown Sugar. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 9: lot of sampling. The complex audio lineage has already led
Speaker 9: to previous legal battles. Back in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 9: MOP sued WWE Oversena's use of the Anti Up sample,
Speaker 9: claiming that they had expressly refused to approve the use
Speaker 9: of their track and that WWE had cleared it by
Speaker 9: getting a signature from a receptionist at an unaffiliated company.
Speaker 9: I didn't know about any of this. This is fast,
Speaker 9: but that case was quickly dropped a few months later
Speaker 9: on undisclosed terms. In Schofield's lawsuit, filed with the help
Speaker 9: of lawyers Kim, Schofield paints a complicated picture of her allegations.
Speaker 9: She says she finally didn't know about seeing his use
Speaker 9: of the song until twenty fifteen, and that they had
Speaker 9: signed a settlement deal in twenty seventeen. This is important
Speaker 9: with WWE for fifty thousand dollars covering the sample of
Speaker 9: the sound recording, but at some point later, she claims,
Speaker 9: they realized they also owned publishing rights two aspects of
Speaker 9: Schofield Scofield's nineteen seventy four song that were distinct from
Speaker 9: Russell's original composition. This guet's very complicated. Such allegations could
Speaker 9: face an uphill climb in court. Decade old claims of
Speaker 9: copyright infringement could very likely be barred in the statute
Speaker 9: of limitations or by earlier settlement. Yeah, I mean copyright law,
Speaker 9: trademark law, intellectual property law. All of it gets very,
Speaker 9: very complicated. I find it fascinating. I hope some of
Speaker 9: you do. It's also not legally clear that Schofield can
Speaker 9: claim the rights she says she owns, nor that she
Speaker 9: can blame WWE for the fact that she was unaware
Speaker 9: of them when she signed the earlier deal. Reps for
Speaker 9: Sena and the WWE did not immediately return her request
Speaker 9: for a comment on Friday. In her lawsuits, Schofield says
Speaker 9: lawyers for WWE told her that the twenty seventeen settlement
Speaker 9: was final and binding on any claims related to the
Speaker 9: time is now, and that she could not later reopen
Speaker 9: negotiations merely because she had seller's remorse. They also allegedly
Speaker 9: told her that they had fully cleared the sample by
Speaker 9: inking a license with the airs of Bobby Russell, the
Speaker 9: songwriter who wrote the song that Schofield recorded. The lawsuit
Speaker 9: also names Russell's airs as defendants. The younger Schofield claims
Speaker 9: they have improperly been receiving the royalties for seen as
Speaker 9: use of the sample, and that they have recently threatened
Speaker 9: to sue her if she does not stop claiming her
Speaker 9: own rights to the song. The Russell Airs could not
Speaker 9: immediately be located for comment. While cover artists can get
Speaker 9: sound recording copyrights to their specific performances, they cannot typically
Speaker 9: claim composition rights, a common sense rule, since the underlying
Speaker 9: music in a cover was necessarily written by someone else.
Speaker 9: In fact, making substantial changes to the underlying song can
Speaker 9: turn a legal cover track into an unauthorized derivative. Now
Speaker 9: there's something else to this that this article leaves out.
Speaker 9: That I was reading last night, and that is and
Speaker 9: I'm surprised it is not included in this article. Part
Speaker 9: of what Kim Schofield is mad about is that she
Speaker 9: claims that when that fifty thousand dollars settlement was reached,
Speaker 9: because that seems like a low number to me for
Speaker 9: this kind of case. When she agreed and her lawyers
Speaker 9: agreed to that fifty thousand dollars settlement, they were unaware,
Speaker 9: and she has claimed that WWE and their attorneys intentionally
Speaker 9: tried to hide this from her. She was unaware that
Speaker 9: that song was about to be used in a national
Speaker 9: advertising campaign for I Think It's Toyota, that I Think
Speaker 9: there were Toyota ads with John Cena's voice in the
Speaker 9: ad is the voiceover, and that that song is playing
Speaker 9: in the ad, specifically with that horn riff that's in
Speaker 9: the ad, and she agreed to that fifty thousand dollars figure,
Speaker 9: not knowing that. Two days later, two days after she
Speaker 9: agreed to that settlement, that ad campaign rolls out and
Speaker 9: on televisions throughout the United States. People are seeing this
Speaker 9: ad with that song and that horns sample in the
Speaker 9: ad for Toyota, and and she claims that they intentionally
Speaker 9: tried to hide that from her. They concealed that from
Speaker 9: her because they knew she would ask for a bigger
Speaker 9: number if she knew that that song was about to
Speaker 9: be used in a national advertising campaign, a high profile
Speaker 9: national advertising campaign, so she's mad about that. So that's
Speaker 9: also part of her claim here. But so there you go.
Speaker 9: That is again that is from Billboard dot com. So
Speaker 9: there's a lot a lot there. All right, we are
Speaker 9: going to begin to wrap up. I want to fit
Speaker 9: in one more track from the Fods, great song called Shopping.
Speaker 9: This was the first single that we ever played them
Speaker 9: on the show. But again, I do want to thank
Speaker 9: everybody who joined us today, Rob Critch Lee from the
Speaker 9: Fods of course in the first hour, and then we
Speaker 9: had Jordan from the Forensics in the third hour, and
Speaker 9: we had the whole band of Baron Kismo in the
Speaker 9: second hour who joined us today. So a fun show today.
Speaker 9: I hope everyone is well. If you want to know
Speaker 9: more about me and all the things I'm up to,
Speaker 9: Matt Coonorton dot com is my website. Jenny is not
Speaker 9: here with us today, she's at home, but she'll be
Speaker 9: back soon. But her website is Jencoffee dot com. Please
Speaker 9: check that out because she's always up to a lot
Speaker 9: of really good stuff, important work that she is doing.
Speaker 9: And oh and this weekend, I believe Eric Pilter and
Speaker 9: I will be doing a new episode of Tough Bumps,
Speaker 9: a new live stream on Sunday night, so be sure
Speaker 9: to tune in for that and please subscribe to that
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Speaker 9: course is you know, he's still he hasn't been directly involved,
Speaker 9: but he's still an important part of Matt Connorton Unleashed
Speaker 9: as well, which is to say that those classic film
Speaker 9: are views that were very popular on the show, those
Speaker 9: will be coming back, I believe in January as Eric's plan.
Speaker 9: So so Eric is still very much with us as well,
Speaker 9: very very much involved. Dad, if you're listening, I love you.
Speaker 9: I hope you're well or will be well. You're not well,
Speaker 9: but that's why you're in mass general, but but you
Speaker 9: had surgery. I hope your recovery goes well and there
Speaker 9: is a path forward for you coming out of what
Speaker 9: you've been going through. And thank you everyone who's been
Speaker 9: very supportive with that.
Speaker 8: Appreciate you.
Speaker 9: And if you missed any part of today's show, we'll
Speaker 9: be up in just a little bit at wmnhradio dot
Speaker 9: org and at my website Matt Connorton dot com, and
Speaker 9: we will leave you with this track again. This is
Speaker 9: from the Fodds. This is the first single that we
Speaker 9: played on the show and I love this a lot.
Speaker 9: This is called shopping. To close out this week's Matt
Speaker 9: Connorton Unleashed Bye everybody.
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