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The Forensics | Matt Connarton Unleashed
Speaker 1: I love it. That is not giving up. The band
Speaker 1: is the Forensics, and the Forensics is our featured artist
Speaker 1: in this hour we're going to speak with at least
Speaker 1: we got one of the guys I think on with
Speaker 1: us via Microsoft Teams and we're gonna speak with them
Speaker 1: in just a moment. But welcome everybody. This is our
Speaker 1: number three New Marrow trace of Matt Connorton Unleashed. If
Speaker 1: you are listening live on Saturday today is December sixth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. We are live from the studios of
Speaker 1: wm NH ninety five point three FM in glorious Manchester,
Speaker 1: New Hampshire. Of course, you can stream the show from anywhere.
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Speaker 1: your live streaming options, social media links, contact info, show archives, etc.
Speaker 1: Et cetera. And let's see, I think we've got Jordan
Speaker 1: King from the Band on the line with us.
Speaker 2: Hello, Yes, Hello, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Absolutely welcome. I love that song and as I think
Speaker 1: you know too, the first single we had played from
Speaker 1: you guys was Maxine and I love that one too.
Speaker 1: We had that one in kind of heavy rotation around
Speaker 1: here for a while, but but I love this track,
Speaker 1: not giving up. It's really good. When did this come out?
Speaker 2: This has only really been out a week, I believe,
Speaker 2: so not too long at all.
Speaker 1: Very new. Yeah, yeah, that's depressed outstanding. Now, Jordan, is
Speaker 1: it just you ors anybody with you?
Speaker 2: It's just myself today? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: what the rest of the guys are doing.
Speaker 1: That's all right. Sometimes less is more. Sometimes we get
Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of people on on teams and
Speaker 1: it's uh, it becomes confusing. So we're happy to have you. Now,
Speaker 1: what do you do in the band?
Speaker 2: So I'm the lead guitarist. Okay, So all the little
Speaker 2: riffs and stuff you heard in that track was cut
Speaker 2: to see it myself. So yeah, excellent.
Speaker 1: Well what I want to ask you too about is
Speaker 1: there's a surprise in that song because when you listen
Speaker 1: to it, you don't really expect, especially you know, hearing
Speaker 1: your other songs, when that saxophone comes in, you don't
Speaker 1: you don't see that coming, or perhaps I should say
Speaker 1: you don't hear that coming. But it fit's a song perfectly.
Speaker 1: I mean, it works really well, but it's a surprise
Speaker 1: the first time you listen to the song. Do one
Speaker 1: of you guys in the band play the sacks or
Speaker 1: did you bring in somebody outside to do that, or
Speaker 1: how did that come about.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you say it was a surprise. That
Speaker 2: was kind of the idea. So none of us play saxophone.
Speaker 2: The where that came from. It was an idea for myself.
Speaker 2: So we were sat in the studio. I got the
Speaker 2: lead guitar part down for the breakdown at the end
Speaker 2: of the track, and I just thought it was missing something.
Speaker 2: And I've always liked, you know, brass instruments, et cetera.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite pieces of music is Baker Street.
Speaker 2: I love the sax on that piece of music. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know, I wonder if a sax would fit in here.
Speaker 2: So we went externally brought someone in to do it,
Speaker 2: and know it's on the track now, so that's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it fits perfectly. Baker Street is a great
Speaker 1: example too of where you can do that really effectively.
Speaker 1: But when you do this, so what happens when you
Speaker 1: do that song live? Or have you played that song live?
Speaker 2: So we've been playing that song live for about a
Speaker 2: year now. I think obviously as a small band, it's
Speaker 2: difficult to get someone on board that plays saxophone, so
Speaker 2: we play it slightly different live. It's a lot heavier live,
Speaker 2: more guitar driven. Obviously, the aim eventually would be to
Speaker 2: have someone play that live with us with the sacks.
Speaker 2: That'd be pretty cool, but we can't do that at
Speaker 2: the moment.
Speaker 1: At the same time, though, it must be kind of
Speaker 1: fun too to play it a different way live, just
Speaker 1: because it you know, I would guess it kind of
Speaker 1: keeps it fresh for you guys, right, you know, you're
Speaker 1: kind of It gives you some room to kind of
Speaker 1: experiment and only, like you said, maybe make it a
Speaker 1: little heavier live. You know, it probably goes over well,
Speaker 1: I would imagine, definitely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the way we try to play live all
Speaker 2: the time. It keeps it fresh and exciting. We like
Speaker 2: to do things slightly different live, maybe extend tracks or
Speaker 2: One thing that we do often is we merge songs together.
Speaker 2: So we've got two new singles coming out next year.
Speaker 2: When we played them live, they fade into each other live,
Speaker 2: which is quite cool. So yeah, we enjoyed doing stuff
Speaker 2: like that when we perform.
Speaker 1: Oh, excellent, excellent, how long have you guys? I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's been. It's been a few years, right, like
Speaker 1: we we've just been getting to know you. I think
Speaker 1: May was when you were on before And is that
Speaker 1: around when Maxine came out? Because I love that song too,
Speaker 1: that's such a great track.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that came out first half of this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, but have you guys been around since
Speaker 1: what twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two or.
Speaker 2: Man, time flies, doesn't it. Yeah that sounds about right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we formed originally me and my friend who's no
Speaker 2: longer with the band, so he was our first bassist.
Speaker 2: We met in the pub over a drink, decided we
Speaker 2: wanted to be in a band, and that's kind of
Speaker 2: how it came about. So me and him started writing
Speaker 2: some things. Then Liam, the lead singer joined. He'd played
Speaker 2: in a band previously with our drummer, so that kind
Speaker 2: of all things together. And yeah, it must have been
Speaker 2: nearly four years now, which is frightening.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, the time does go quickly. Have you guys
Speaker 1: been you know, we talked a little bit about touchdown
Speaker 1: playing live. Have you guys been doing a lot of shows?
Speaker 2: Yeah? We usually gig quite a lot. Although the back
Speaker 2: end of this year, we've taken the foot off the
Speaker 2: gas a little bit and focused more on studio things.
Speaker 2: We want to get a few new tracks out next
Speaker 2: year after not giving up. That's just come out of course,
Speaker 2: and we're putting a big push on social media I
Speaker 2: think at the moment as well, to try and grow
Speaker 2: a bit of a stronger online presence. So we do
Speaker 2: have two shows lined up for the start of next year,
Speaker 2: but I guess we'll see what the new year brings.
Speaker 2: But yeah, a lot of focus on studio stuff at
Speaker 2: the moment and social media.
Speaker 1: Where do you guys record? You know, I always like to.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a bit of an auto engineering
Speaker 1: background myself. I'm a little bit of a nerd for
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. But I'm just curious because there's
Speaker 1: so many different ways to record now. You know, when
Speaker 1: I was growing I'm old enough to remember when basically
Speaker 1: your option was you you go to a studio, or
Speaker 1: you know, you could maybe buy yourself a little task
Speaker 1: scam recorder and make four track recordings at home, and
Speaker 1: that was about it. But because it's obvious in listening
Speaker 1: to your music and talking with you that that sonically
Speaker 1: it's very important to get this right, You're you're, you're
Speaker 1: clearly you're every everything is very everything just sounds like
Speaker 1: you can you can just tell. You can tell by
Speaker 1: listening to your songs that you put a lot into
Speaker 1: not only the writing of the songs, but the recording
Speaker 1: of them, so you know it does It certainly doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like a situation where you're just going going uh
Speaker 1: to a studio for a day and spending a couple
Speaker 1: of hours and banging these out. I assume a lot
Speaker 1: goes into them. I don't know if you have a
Speaker 1: producer that you work with or tell me about the
Speaker 1: recording process.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, Yeah. We love going in the studio.
Speaker 2: It's it's the favorite thing for all members of the band.
Speaker 2: I think they'd all agree going into the studio, And
Speaker 2: you're completely right, it's not a case of going in
Speaker 2: and banging these out in a couple of hours. A
Speaker 2: lot of work goes into it. I think. To give
Speaker 2: you an insight as to how we operate as a band,
Speaker 2: and this is very similar across bands of our size.
Speaker 2: Studio higher is very expensive for alongside hiring a producer
Speaker 2: as well, so a lot of the work actually comes
Speaker 2: pre studio. We do a lot of work in practice
Speaker 2: rooms beforehand, we'll kind of do our own mixes on
Speaker 2: our own software first. That's where a lot of the
Speaker 2: experiment experimental things come into play. Then we can go
Speaker 2: into the studio get the basic layer of the track down,
Speaker 2: and then that gives us a lot of time to
Speaker 2: play around with other things and different sounds that you
Speaker 2: can't produce on your own outside of that studio environment.
Speaker 2: So that's the way that we tend to do it.
Speaker 2: So we probably get a track down, as you said,
Speaker 2: you bang it out in a few hours. But then
Speaker 2: because we've done all of that leg work beforehand, it
Speaker 2: gives us that freedom of expression, if you will, in
Speaker 2: the studio to try different things and maybe get different
Speaker 2: instruments in there, like the sax idea for example. And
Speaker 2: so that's how we tend to go about our recording,
Speaker 2: a lot of legwork beforehand, into the studio, get the
Speaker 2: track down, and then we can I don't think mess
Speaker 2: around is the right phrase. Yeah, sometimes it feels like it,
Speaker 2: you know, So that's how we tend to go about it.
Speaker 2: I think we recording a place called the Grand in
Speaker 2: Clitherol which actually has a huge stage attached to it.
Speaker 2: Which is awesome. We've played that live which was really cool. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a quite cool venue. Actually it's in a place
Speaker 2: called Clitherow, which I appreciate. You guided state side, So
Speaker 2: it's about forty minutes drive from Manchester, so not too
Speaker 2: far away.
Speaker 1: Not bad, no, And it's great that you go there prepared.
Speaker 1: You know, you can save a lot of time and
Speaker 1: money if you're well prepared going to going to the studio. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's cool too that it's got a venue there as well.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, uh, I mean, there's definitely examples
Speaker 1: here of places like that, but I can't think of
Speaker 1: any off the top of my head where you know,
Speaker 1: there's a recording studio and there's a stage and they
Speaker 1: you know, and it kind of works as both a
Speaker 1: studio and a venue. It's such a it's such a
Speaker 1: great concept and it seems so obvious, but it's probably
Speaker 1: a lot uh to do correctly. But I I wish, like,
Speaker 1: like I said, I know, this place is like that
Speaker 1: here too. I just can't think of many. I can't
Speaker 1: think of any off the top of my head. But
Speaker 1: have you have you always work like from the beginning
Speaker 1: of this project, has it always been the same studio.
Speaker 2: No, so we recorded a different studio once and this
Speaker 2: was a long time ago to when our first single
Speaker 2: came out, so I actually can't recall what the name was.
Speaker 2: It was it was somewhere near Warrington, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: And then since then there was another place I believe
Speaker 2: in clid Throw that we recorded in and then so yeah,
Speaker 2: we're recorded in quite a few actually, now I think
Speaker 2: about it. One studio was particularly cool because the studio
Speaker 2: was right at the top of a three story building
Speaker 2: and the first floor had a bar, so it was great.
Speaker 2: So once you've done, once you've done, let's say i'd
Speaker 2: finished my guitar part, so I don't have to sit
Speaker 2: and listen to Dan Bash on the drums or le
Speaker 2: and du vocals. I can slip away and grab myself
Speaker 2: a beer and then come back in a few hours
Speaker 2: time and see what they've cracked on with, which was
Speaker 2: quite a cool setup. So, right, I liked that place,
Speaker 2: So that was cool.
Speaker 1: Oh that's cool. That's cool. Yeah, I'm sure I've asked
Speaker 1: you this before. I think the last time you were on.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I asked, but I don't remember what
Speaker 1: the answer was. And you know, obviously we have newer
Speaker 1: listeners who aren't familiar with you. Yet, where does the
Speaker 1: name come from? The forensics?
Speaker 2: That's a really good question. I'm actually not one hundred
Speaker 2: percent myself. I'm completely honest with you. We've had that
Speaker 2: name for a good number of years. I think we
Speaker 2: just I think it might have been Liam's idea, and
Speaker 2: obviously he's not with us today, so I actually don't
Speaker 2: know where it came from. Obviously, forensics has that tie
Speaker 2: into police work and that kind of stuff, but we've
Speaker 2: never We did a bit of that stuff for Maxine.
Speaker 2: When we released Maxine, some of our artwork was was
Speaker 2: in forensic suits, and we have played we have played
Speaker 2: live in forensic suits as well, which is quite cool.
Speaker 2: But by gosh, did they get warm halfway through a show?
Speaker 2: Really likes pointing at you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can imagine.
Speaker 2: But as far as the name goes, I don't know
Speaker 2: where it came from. But when someone pitched the idea
Speaker 2: forensics to me, I just thought, yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And then the fingerprint as the logo, I thought, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's quite cool as well. So where it comes from,
Speaker 2: I have no idea, but I quite like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's excellent. Is that the name that the
Speaker 1: band had from the beginning.
Speaker 2: So we were originally called Riley James and the Summer Tones
Speaker 2: because Liam was a solo artist before he joined the band,
Speaker 2: so we played a lot of his solo stuff as
Speaker 2: a band when we initially came together, So it was
Speaker 2: called Riley James. That was his single stuff, and the
Speaker 2: Summer Tones was the idea for the rest of the band.
Speaker 2: But eventually I think we all came together and thought, no,
Speaker 2: we want to write music as a band, and if
Speaker 2: we're going to do that, you know, we need to
Speaker 2: have a defined name, and so we decided on the Forensics.
Speaker 1: Was that challenging at all for Liam? I mean, not
Speaker 1: that you want to speak for him, I'm sure, but
Speaker 1: I'm just curious because that's obviously an adjustment for him, right.
Speaker 2: I think it was an adjustment.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't think he struggled with it. I think it
Speaker 2: was a conversation that happened over a good number of weeks.
Speaker 2: There was a bit of back and forth, of course,
Speaker 2: on which way we wanted to take the band. I
Speaker 2: think looking back now over the years, it was certainly
Speaker 2: the right decision. I think we've got a really unique
Speaker 2: sound now as a band. It's interesting to watch how
Speaker 2: we progress from what you could define as quite light
Speaker 2: indie pop to almost rocky in a sense, which is
Speaker 2: quite a cool development. Yeah, and I don't think that
Speaker 2: would have happened if it was driven by one individual.
Speaker 2: I think that's because as a group we have very
Speaker 2: unique and individual inspirations, which when you put them all together,
Speaker 2: is quite a good recipe.
Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely absolutely so, yeah, so not giving up
Speaker 1: is really new. And then what what's kind of the
Speaker 1: do you know when the next single is going to be,
Speaker 1: or what's kind of the forward trajectory as far as
Speaker 1: because I assume, I mean, it strikes me that you
Speaker 1: guys probably have a lot of ideas in the band.
Speaker 1: I mean you're probably always writing, I would guess.
Speaker 2: Always writing. Yeah, many many songs. If we jumped into
Speaker 2: the studio tomorrow and had unlimited time, I think we
Speaker 2: have about ten tracks right now that we could record.
Speaker 2: So obviously a lot of that makes up our live performances,
Speaker 2: which is it keeps it fresh as well, because you
Speaker 2: can rotate songs in and out, so you never get
Speaker 2: bored of the tracks you're playing with regards to future
Speaker 2: plans unconfirmed as to when we're going to release them,
Speaker 2: but we are in the studio in two weeks time
Speaker 2: to finish off three tracks that we got down a
Speaker 2: few months ago. Oh so we went to the studio
Speaker 2: a few months back, got three quarters of them done,
Speaker 2: I would say. So we're going back in two weeks
Speaker 2: to get vocals and lead guitar finished, which I'm excited for.
Speaker 2: When those will come out, I'm not too sure, but
Speaker 2: there's three singles that within two weeks time should be
Speaker 2: pretty close to mastered and ready for release.
Speaker 1: Oh fantastic, Yeah, no, I get can't wait to hear them. Man,
Speaker 1: you know, we'd love to continue to be sort of
Speaker 1: your conduit here into the American radio market because we
Speaker 1: love what you're doing. I remember the response that we
Speaker 1: got when we played Maxine for the first time, and
Speaker 1: we you know, we heard a lot of positive response
Speaker 1: on that here. It's such a great song, gets really
Speaker 1: gets stuck in your head. You know, it's so good,
Speaker 1: so so absolutely love it. And then so are you
Speaker 1: are you do you have live shows like this weekend or.
Speaker 2: No, not this weekend. So we're not doing any live
Speaker 2: shows now until next year. Okay, So I think our
Speaker 2: first show is April. I think the main focus is
Speaker 2: get in the studio, get these tracks finished, and then
Speaker 2: figure out a release schedule for them, you know, understanding
Speaker 2: what we want to do for social media promotions and
Speaker 2: vinyl pressing and that kind of stuff. So I think
Speaker 2: that'll be our main focus for the next few months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Absolutely, absolutely, Well Jordan,
Speaker 1: you know, we appreciate you joining us, love the new track,
Speaker 1: not giving up and in a moment, well, like I said,
Speaker 1: we'll end the conversation with Maxine another great song. Where's
Speaker 1: the best place for people to go online to keep
Speaker 1: up with everything that the Forensics is doing.
Speaker 2: So the best place to find us for understanding a
Speaker 2: bit more a battles on a personal level is definitely TikTok.
Speaker 2: So that's just at Forensics Band. Find us on TikTok.
Speaker 2: We post on their very regularly once a day probably.
Speaker 2: If you want more official updates, gigs, single releases, all
Speaker 2: that kind of good stuff, Instagram's probably the best place
Speaker 2: for that. That would be the same handle that would
Speaker 2: be at Forensics Band. So either of them Facebook not Facebook.
Speaker 2: So I didn't mention that Instagram or TikTok would be
Speaker 2: the best places to go.
Speaker 1: Okay, wonderful, wonderful. Well, Jordan, thank you again so much.
Speaker 1: We'll let you go and we're gonna hit this track Maxine.
Speaker 1: But we appreciate you talking with us today and we'll
Speaker 1: definitely do it again in the future. And you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, whenever the next single's ready, we'll we'll
Speaker 1: have you back on and we'd love to do the
Speaker 1: American radio premiere here and keep up the great work.
Speaker 1: We we're big fans here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, No, I appreciate it. Thank you very
Speaker 2: much for having me. It's great to chat.
Speaker 1: All right, Jordan, thank you, take care, Thanks you too,
Speaker 1: Bye bye bye bye. All right. That is Jordan from
Speaker 1: the band The Forensics, and we're gonna play now the
Speaker 1: first single that we played from the band here on
Speaker 1: the show again. This is a personal favorite of mine.
Speaker 1: I know Jenny really loves this one too. This is
Speaker 1: called Maxine and the band is The Forensics.
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Speaker 5: I just kind of raise all the things out we
Speaker 5: have seen. Now are you away us to seeing you?
Speaker 5: I magine, Oh please, man.
Speaker 3: I've seen send me God a fish swimming against the side.
Speaker 6: The morning brings.
Speaker 7: Me green soon needs us wondering.
Speaker 8: Why that's my decrease, and we stayed everything.
Speaker 7: And something it's don't even don't we ask al sobbeen
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Speaker 4: Then I try to get a raison le stems.
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Speaker 2: Scene see.
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Speaker 6: You feel like a doll bom three five thos acevening.
Speaker 3: There still the they a sun.
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Speaker 7: Se se.
Speaker 4: Scene.
Speaker 1: I love that track so much. That is Maxine. The
Speaker 1: band is the Forensics. I love that band so much too,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna play one more from them. This track
Speaker 1: is called LSF and this is the Forensic and Forensics sorry,
Speaker 1: and then after that we're gonna come back in a
Speaker 1: little bit of interesting music news actually music. Well you'll
Speaker 1: it's interesting. I'll just leave it at that. That's my
Speaker 1: teaser that we will come back and tackle just briefly
Speaker 1: after this track. But here it is. This is the Forensics.
Speaker 1: One more for you. This is called l s F.
Speaker 1: This is a great song.
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Speaker 8: Mist Closers not playing, just sting almost about it, Lexonics
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Speaker 3: Fire, miss Steeper, the sleepert mesides your body and DA S.
Speaker 4: S S S.
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Speaker 1: on the show today. For those of you listening live
Speaker 1: on Saturday. Of course, in the first hour we had
Speaker 1: Rob Critch Lee from the band The Fods, and we're
Speaker 1: actually going to close out the show in just a
Speaker 1: few minutes with another track from the Fods. In the
Speaker 1: second hour, let's see. In the second hour, of course,
Speaker 1: we had the guys from Baron Kismo love their new
Speaker 1: single Easy that just came out pretty recently. We did
Speaker 1: the American radio premiere for that on the show, I
Speaker 1: think a week or two ago. It becomes a bit
Speaker 1: of a blur, but love talking to those guys. And
Speaker 1: then of course we talked with Jordan from the band
Speaker 1: The Forensics. We just heard two songs from The Forensics
Speaker 1: to close out that conversation, Max Scene their first single
Speaker 1: and LSF And then we we had a great conversation
Speaker 1: with Jordan. So love that band. Right now, though, since
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Speaker 1: a lot of stories about while this artist is getting
Speaker 1: sued because they have an uncleared sample on their song
Speaker 1: or on their album. But here now John Cena, of course,
Speaker 1: John Cena has become a mainstream celebrity. He is one
Speaker 1: of the celebrities. He's one of the wrestlers who professional
Speaker 1: wrestlers who's has transcended wrestling and gone on to be
Speaker 1: a mainstream celebrity. Obviously, the biggest example of that being
Speaker 1: The Rock. The Rock one of the highest, if not
Speaker 1: the highest paid movie star in Hollywood who who initially
Speaker 1: became famous because of wrestling. That's why we call him
Speaker 1: the Rock, even though his real name is Dwayne Johnson,
Speaker 1: Dwayne the Rock Johnson. But you know, he's the greatest
Speaker 1: example of that. And then of course there's other people
Speaker 1: who you know, Hull Cogan, who passed away not too
Speaker 1: long ago, uh, hul Cogan, who did not find mainstream
Speaker 1: success in cinema. His movies were largely panned because of
Speaker 1: the films that he started in. Not you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about Rocky, I'm talking about the films where
Speaker 1: Hogan was actually the star are generally pretty awful. So
Speaker 1: but that doesn't change the fact that hul Cogan, despite
Speaker 1: not really finding success outside of professional wrestling, absolutely one
Speaker 1: of the most famous people on the planet. So, but
Speaker 1: John Cena has also Now John Cena is not he
Speaker 1: has not hit the stratosphere that The Rock has hit,
Speaker 1: of course, but John Cena very successful in Hollywood and
Speaker 1: has transcended professional wrestling. He also had and this was
Speaker 1: really sort of a part of his professional wrestling career.
Speaker 1: He did release an album He has one hip hop
Speaker 1: album that he released on WWE's label at the time,
Speaker 1: and one of the tracks from that album is called
Speaker 1: The Time Is Now, and the Time Is Now is
Speaker 1: the song that John Cena comes out to now. John
Speaker 1: Cena has also been in the news. When I say
Speaker 1: comes out to I mean when he comes out of
Speaker 1: the entrance and goes to the ring. For people who
Speaker 1: are like, what if you're not a wrestling fan, you
Speaker 1: don't know that, So that's what I mean by come
Speaker 1: out to now. John Cena also has been relevant within
Speaker 1: wrestling recently because he's on his retirement tour. He's about
Speaker 1: to have his final wrestling match ever in the WWE,
Speaker 1: and you know, he's forty eight years old and this
Speaker 1: is it. He's going to commit to Hollywood full time,
Speaker 1: which makes sense. And of course, there was the John
Speaker 1: Cena heel turn that happened a while back, which actually
Speaker 1: got a lot of mainstream media attention, even though it
Speaker 1: was part of a professional wrestling storyline, but it was
Speaker 1: such a big deal that the mainstream media paid attention
Speaker 1: to it. So a lot of interesting things and a
Speaker 1: He'll turn again for people who don't know that's when
Speaker 1: a good guy becomes a bad guy. So John Cena,
Speaker 1: during his final year in WWE became for a short time,
Speaker 1: he became a bad guy. He became a villain, which
Speaker 1: I thought was very entertaining, but not everyone liked it.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so John Cena is pretty relevant these days
Speaker 1: on multiple levels. He apparently he just was on the
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan podcast Joe Rogan. I mean, I know his
Speaker 1: stock has fallen a little bit, but he's still one
Speaker 1: of the if not the biggest podcasts in the world.
Speaker 1: And Johnsena was just on there. So John Cen is
Speaker 1: very relevant right now. But this theme song that he's
Speaker 1: been using for twenty years, apparently there is a problem
Speaker 1: with the sample the horn section. Now I should what
Speaker 1: I'll do is I should have had this ready, but
Speaker 1: let me grab his theme song, The Time is Now.
Speaker 1: I think he says in the song you can't see
Speaker 1: me the Time is Now, because that's you know, his
Speaker 1: thing too, you can't see me? Okay. I thought it
Speaker 1: was called My Time is Now, but apparently it's actually
Speaker 1: called The Time is Now. So there's there's horns in it,
Speaker 1: even though it's a hip hop song. Let's see here
Speaker 1: it is The Time is now I'll just play a
Speaker 1: little bit of it for you. Why does this have
Speaker 1: a parental advisory on it? There's no? Uh, all right, well,
Speaker 1: here's definitely a clean version. I was gonna say, I
Speaker 1: don't think there's any swears in it. Here's a clean this.
Speaker 1: This one's definitely clean though, except there might be a
Speaker 1: commercial to sit through before I play this. But just
Speaker 1: so if you're not familiar with the song, so you
Speaker 1: can hear the horns, I don't hear anything. Oh, here
Speaker 1: we go, hang on, all right, here it comes. You
Speaker 1: can hear the horns right.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: Okay, so he actually does say my Time is Now,
Speaker 1: but the song is called the Time is Now. All right,
Speaker 1: let's pause that. Uh so there's an uncleared sample on
Speaker 1: that apparently. So here's the here's the article again. This
Speaker 1: is from Billboard. WWE superstar and actor John Cena is
Speaker 1: facing a lawsuit over the iconic horn riff from his
Speaker 1: entrance theme, The Time is Now. A questionable legal case,
Speaker 1: but one that shines a light on a tortured history
Speaker 1: of samples and credits behind the famed song. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: So apparently there have been other legal issues with the
Speaker 1: song that I was not aware of it, says the
Speaker 1: lawsuit was filed by the daughter of Pete Schofield, who's
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four recording of The Night the Lights Went
Speaker 1: Out in Georgia. Everybody knows that song, right, that's an
Speaker 1: that the Lights Went Out in Georgia is the undisputed
Speaker 1: source of the blaring horn blasts at the start of
Speaker 1: Sina's two thousand and five track. In it, she claims
Speaker 1: that Sina and the WWE failed to properly clear the
Speaker 1: sample and breached an earlier fifty thousand dollars settlement over
Speaker 1: the dispute. Now, I did not know. This is news
Speaker 1: to me. I did not know that that had ever happened.
Speaker 1: I think they kept it very quiet. I did not
Speaker 1: know that there was ever a problem established previously over
Speaker 1: that horn section. I do want to and I didn't
Speaker 1: know that there was a settlement. Now you might be thinking,
Speaker 1: though I do know this, You might be thinking, why
Speaker 1: if this was already settled, why is this coming up again.
Speaker 1: There's a very good reason. There's a very good reason.
Speaker 1: But we'll come back to that because I want to
Speaker 1: pull this up. Now. I know the song the Nights,
Speaker 1: the Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia. I do
Speaker 1: not know. I can't remember, though, Like I haven't heard
Speaker 1: it in a long time. Is that like if I
Speaker 1: pull that song up, which I'm going to do now
Speaker 1: and we listen to that, are we going to hear
Speaker 1: that exact? I just want to hear it for myself.
Speaker 1: Is it really sampled from that? Because I haven't heard
Speaker 1: that song in forever, But I don't remember hearing in
Speaker 1: that song, you know the horns. So let's let's find
Speaker 1: out pets Goofield and the Canadians The Night the Lights
Speaker 1: Went Out in Georgia. Let's see. I don't know where
Speaker 1: in the song the horns appear, but let's, uh, let's
Speaker 1: find out. So this is obviously not the version of
Speaker 1: the song that we're used to hearing. I can't remember
Speaker 1: because the version we're used to hearing, the big hit
Speaker 1: song The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia has vocals.
Speaker 1: I can't remember who does it, But this is Pete Schofield,
Speaker 1: you know, jazz musician doing his version of it, which
Speaker 1: is an instrumental. I'm hearing a lot of horns, and
Speaker 1: the horns sound similar in tone and timbore to the
Speaker 1: horns in John Cena's theme. But I don't hear so far.
Speaker 1: I don't hear that actual.
Speaker 2: Do you.
Speaker 1: I don't hear the actual riff. But let's listen to
Speaker 1: a little bit more of this not hearing it? Where
Speaker 1: is it? Is it right at the beginning? Because I
Speaker 1: failed to unmute this right at the beginning. Let's go
Speaker 1: back to the very beginning. We're not going to listen
Speaker 1: to a whole thing, I promise, because just kill me.
Speaker 1: I don't like this kind of stuff. But here, oh,
Speaker 1: there it is. It's in the beginning. Okay, here, all right, okay, guilty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they definitely took from that. All right, no getting around it.
Speaker 1: I'm glad I went back to the beginning. Let's see,
Speaker 1: let's go back to this article. Okay, so they settled.
Speaker 1: They settled that for fifty grand. Now there was more
Speaker 1: to this article. Let's back up a little bit actually, Okay.
Speaker 1: So the lawsuit was filed by the daughter of Pete Scofield,
Speaker 1: who's nineteen seventy four recording is the undisputed source of
Speaker 1: the Blaring Horns horn blasts at the start of Sina's
Speaker 1: two thousand and five track. In it, she claims that
Speaker 1: Sena and the WWE failed to properly clear the sample
Speaker 1: and reached an earlier fifty thousand dollars settlement over the dispute. Okay,
Speaker 1: so Kim Schofield writes. This is from her December second
Speaker 1: lawsuit obtained by Billboard, which names both John Cena and
Speaker 1: WWE as defendants. Quote. Every effort added informed resolution has
Speaker 1: been met with threats, misrepresentations, and intimidation tactics, leaving plaintiff
Speaker 1: with no recourse but to seek relief from this court. Unquote. Now, again,
Speaker 1: this was previously settled, So why is this coming up again?
Speaker 1: Says here The time is now, in which SNA wraps
Speaker 1: over a beat created by producer Jake One was released
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five by Columbia House Records and
Speaker 1: WWE Music Group. The track served as a theme song
Speaker 1: during Sena's rise to superstardom and later became a popular
Speaker 1: track in social media memes. The track will likely play
Speaker 1: at some point during his final WWE appearance next week
Speaker 1: before he retires from wrestling. The song is something of
Speaker 1: a crediting nightmare. The famed horns are pulled from Schofield's
Speaker 1: recording of the night went out in Georgia. I'm Sorry
Speaker 1: the Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia, which is
Speaker 1: a cover of a composition by songwriter Bobby Russell that's
Speaker 1: also been released by multiple other artists, including Vicky Lawrence, Oh,
Speaker 1: Vicky Lawrence, She's the one who had the be hit
Speaker 1: with it, Vicky Lawrence and Reba McIntyre. Sina song also
Speaker 1: samples heavily the mop's two thousand hip hop classic Anti Up,
Speaker 1: which itself drew on samples from Sam and Dave's soul
Speaker 1: sister Brown Sugar. Yeah, that's a lot of sampling. The
Speaker 1: complex audio lineage has already led to previous legal battles.
Speaker 1: Back in two thousand and eight, MOP sued WWE over
Speaker 1: Sena's use of the Anti Up sample, claiming that they
Speaker 1: had expressly refused to approve the use of their track
Speaker 1: and that WWE had cleared it by getting a signature
Speaker 1: from a receptionist at an unaffiliated company. I didn't know
Speaker 1: about any of this. This is fascinating, but that case
Speaker 1: was quickly dropped a few months later on undisclosed terms.
Speaker 1: In Schofield's lawsuit, filed with the help of lawyers Kim,
Speaker 1: Schofield paints a complicated picture of her allegations. She says
Speaker 1: she finally didn't know about see as us use of
Speaker 1: the song until twenty fifteen, and that they had signed
Speaker 1: a settlement deal in twenty seventeen. This is important with
Speaker 1: WWE for fifty thousand dollars covering the sample of the
Speaker 1: sound recording, but at some point later, she claims, they
Speaker 1: realized they also owned publishing rights two aspects of Schofield
Speaker 1: Scofield's nineteen seventy four song that were distinct from Russell's
Speaker 1: original composition. This get's very complicated. Such allegations could face
Speaker 1: an uphill climb in court. Decade old claims of copyright
Speaker 1: infringement could very likely be barred in the statute of
Speaker 1: Limitations or by earlier settlement. Yeah, I mean copyright law,
Speaker 1: trademark law, intellectual property law. All of it gets very,
Speaker 1: very complicated. I find it fascinating. I hope some of
Speaker 1: you do. It's also not legally clear that Scofield can
Speaker 1: claim the rights she says she owns, nor that she
Speaker 1: can blame WWE for the fact that she was unaware
Speaker 1: of them when she signed the earlier deal. Reps for
Speaker 1: Sena and the WWE did not immediately return her request
Speaker 1: for a comment on Friday. In her lawsuit, Schofield says
Speaker 1: lawyers for WWE told her that the twenty seventeen settlement
Speaker 1: was final and binding on any claims related to the
Speaker 1: time is now, and that she could not later reopen
Speaker 1: negotiations merely because she had seller's remorse. They also allegedly
Speaker 1: told her that they had fully cleared the sample by
Speaker 1: inking a license with the heirs of Bobby Russell, the
Speaker 1: songwriter who wrote the song that Schofield recorded. The lawsuit
Speaker 1: also names Russell's airs as defendants. The younger Schofield claims
Speaker 1: they have improperly been receiving the royalties for Sena's use
Speaker 1: of the sample, and that they have recently threatened to
Speaker 1: sue her if she does not stop claiming her own
Speaker 1: rights to the song. The Russell aires could not immediately
Speaker 1: be located for comment. While cover artists can get sound
Speaker 1: recording copyrights to their specific performances, they cannot typically claim
Speaker 1: composition rights a common sense rule, since the underlying music
Speaker 1: and a cover was necessarily written by someone else. In fact,
Speaker 1: making substantial changes to the underlying song can turn a
Speaker 1: legal cover track into an unauthorized derivative. Now, there's something
Speaker 1: else to this that this article leaves out that I
Speaker 1: was reading last night, and that is and I'm surprised
Speaker 1: it's not included in this article. Part of what Kim
Speaker 1: Schofield is mad about is that she claims that when
Speaker 1: that fifty thousand dollars settlement was reached, because that seems
Speaker 1: like a low number to me for this kind of case,
Speaker 1: when she agreed and her lawyers agreed to that fifty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars settlement, they were unaware, and she has claimed
Speaker 1: that WWE and their attorneys intentionally tried to hide this
Speaker 1: from her. She was unaware that that song was about
Speaker 1: to be used in a national advertising campaign for I
Speaker 1: Think It's Toyota, that I Think there were Toyota ads
Speaker 1: with John Cena's voice in the ad is the voiceover,
Speaker 1: and that that song is playing in the ad, specifically
Speaker 1: with that horn riff that's in the ad, and she
Speaker 1: agreed to that fifty thousand dollars figure, not knowing that
Speaker 1: two days later, two days after she agreed to that settlement,
Speaker 1: that ad campaign rolls out and on televisions throughout the
Speaker 1: United States. People are seeing this ad with that song
Speaker 1: and that Horns sample in the ad for Toyota and
Speaker 1: and she claims that they intentionally tried to hide that
Speaker 1: from her. They concealed that from her because they knew
Speaker 1: she would ask for a bigger number if she knew
Speaker 1: that that song was about to be used in a
Speaker 1: national advertising campaign, a high profile national advertising campaign. So
Speaker 1: she's mad about that. So that's also part of her
Speaker 1: claim here. But so there you go. That is again
Speaker 1: that is from Billboard dot com. So there's a lot there.
Speaker 1: All right, we are going to begin to wrap up.
Speaker 1: I want to fit in one more track from the Fods,
Speaker 1: great song called Shopping. This was the first single that
Speaker 1: we ever played for them on the show. But again
Speaker 1: I do want to thank everybody who joined us today.
Speaker 1: Rob Critchley from the Fods of course in the first hour,
Speaker 1: and then we had Jordan from the Forensics in the
Speaker 1: third hour, and we had the whole band of Baron
Speaker 1: Kismo in the second hour who joined us today. So
Speaker 1: fun show today. I hope everyone is well. If you
Speaker 1: want to know more about me and all the things
Speaker 1: I'm up to, Matt Coonnorton dot com is my website.
Speaker 1: Jenny is not here with us today, she's at home,
Speaker 1: but she'll be back soon. But her website is Jencoffee
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Speaker 1: up to a lot of really good stuff, important work
Speaker 1: that she is doing. And oh and this weekend, I
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Speaker 1: And Eric, of course is you know, he's still he
Speaker 1: hasn't been directly involved, but he's still an important part
Speaker 1: of Matt Connorton Unleashed as well, which is to say
Speaker 1: that those classic film reviews that were very popular on
Speaker 1: the show, those will be coming back. I believe in
Speaker 1: January is Eric's plan. So so Eric is still very
Speaker 1: much with us as well, very very much involved. Dad,
Speaker 1: if you're listening, I love you. I hope you're well
Speaker 1: or will be well. You're not well, but that's why
Speaker 1: you're in mass general. But but you had surgery. I
Speaker 1: hope you're recovery. He goes well, and uh, and there
Speaker 1: is a path forward for you coming out of what
Speaker 1: you've been going through. And thank you everyone who's been
Speaker 1: very supportive with that, appreciate you. And if you missed
Speaker 1: any part of today's show, we'll be up in just
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Speaker 1: with this track again. This is from the Fodds Uh.
Speaker 1: This is the first single that we played on the
Speaker 1: show and I love this a lot. This is called shopping.
Speaker 1: To close out this week's Matt Connorton Unleashed, Bye everybody.
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