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3:34 Speaker 6: Welcome everybody, good morning, here we go. It is that

3:36 Speaker 6: time again. Matt Connorton unleashed and we are live from

3:40 Speaker 6: the studios of wm NH ninety five point three FM

3:44 Speaker 6: and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. Little icy out there, so

3:47 Speaker 6: be careful if you're driving, if you're listening in your vehicle,

3:51 Speaker 6: but nonetheless Glorious here. Of course, today is Saturday, February one,

3:57 Speaker 6: twenty twenty five, and January will pretty quick actually, But

4:01 Speaker 6: as far as the weather goes here in Manchester, we've

4:03 Speaker 6: been lucky. We have yet to have a blizzard, and

4:05 Speaker 6: I hope I have not drinxed us by pointing that out.

4:08 Speaker 6: But it's always just enough snow and ice to make

4:11 Speaker 6: it a nuisance. But we haven't had like a really

4:13 Speaker 6: big storm here yet, so which is just fine with me.

4:16 Speaker 6: But that opening track that was a band called now,

4:19 Speaker 6: I'm not actually sure the correct pronunciation. It's it's all

4:22 Speaker 6: in caps ri i v Ia, so I'm not sure

4:25 Speaker 6: if it's Rivia or Rivia or Rivia. We will find

4:28 Speaker 6: out because they will be skyping in next week. But

4:31 Speaker 6: that is the American radio premiere of their brand new

4:34 Speaker 6: track Fallen and I love that song and really looking

4:37 Speaker 6: forward to talking with these guys. But they are from

4:40 Speaker 6: Liverpool and they're gonna be skyping in next week, so

4:43 Speaker 6: we'll get to talk to them and we'll play some

4:44 Speaker 6: more of their music and really looking forward to that.

4:46 Speaker 6: I love their sound and so much great stuff coming

4:50 Speaker 6: out of the UK. These great guests that we get,

4:51 Speaker 6: and our friend from Gary from Big GPR has really

4:56 Speaker 6: been sending us a lot of great talent for the show,

4:58 Speaker 6: so we appreciate that and being able to kind of

5:01 Speaker 6: be the American radio partner for some of these bands

5:04 Speaker 6: as far as breaking their tracks over here in the US,

5:09 Speaker 6: being the first American radio station to play some of these.

5:11 Speaker 6: So yeah, what a great track again, that's called Fallin'

5:14 Speaker 6: the band is I'm gonna go with Rivia for right now,

5:16 Speaker 6: but we'll find out for sure next week. But what

5:20 Speaker 6: a great track. We'll play that again later in the

5:21 Speaker 6: show if you missed it. We've got a big show

5:23 Speaker 6: for you today. In just a few minutes, Molly Diago

5:25 Speaker 6: is going to be skyping in. She's been on the

5:27 Speaker 6: show before, but she's got a brand new single called Chained,

5:31 Speaker 6: and we are going to play that for you in

5:34 Speaker 6: just a couple of minutes. Chained featuring Jackson Wilder is

5:38 Speaker 6: also on the track, so we're gonna play that. We'll

5:40 Speaker 6: feature that, and then we'll talk to Molly a bit.

5:42 Speaker 6: And in the second hour today, the band Day to

5:46 Speaker 6: Attend will be here with us in studio. And of course,

5:48 Speaker 6: if you're watching online, if you're watching the video, you

5:51 Speaker 6: can see I've got my Day to Attend shirt. Of course,

5:53 Speaker 6: So a couple big things with them. For one thing,

5:56 Speaker 6: they've got a big show tonight. They're gonna be playing

5:58 Speaker 6: in Portland opening for Ace Frayle, So that's exciting. And

6:03 Speaker 6: in addition to that, I assume they're going to bring

6:04 Speaker 6: a copy in with them their vinyl limited edition vinyl

6:08 Speaker 6: release of their newest album, Falling Awake, and it is

6:11 Speaker 6: limited edition, so if you want one, make sure you

6:13 Speaker 6: get one before they're gone. But I think that's really

6:17 Speaker 6: cool and I look forward to to actually seeing that,

6:20 Speaker 6: being able to see it up close. But so they've

6:22 Speaker 6: got a lot going on, of course, such a great band,

6:24 Speaker 6: and I always love having a day to attend on

6:27 Speaker 6: the show. And in the third hour today we have

6:29 Speaker 6: Veil's End who's going to be joining us live in studio,

6:32 Speaker 6: and they have a brand new song too, so we'll

6:35 Speaker 6: feature that as well. So there's lots going on today.

6:39 Speaker 6: Speaking of things going on, I also want to mention

6:42 Speaker 6: and hello to Charles Richardson if he's listening. Hi, Charles.

6:46 Speaker 6: I did communicate with him earlier. So this coming Monday,

6:50 Speaker 6: I'm going to be appearing on the Charles Richardson Show

6:53 Speaker 6: that streams online. You can go to the Charles Richardson

6:56 Speaker 6: Show Facebook page or his YouTube page for the Charles

6:59 Speaker 6: Richardson Show. You can also go it streams on an

7:03 Speaker 6: online station called Powerweadio dot com and it's power and

7:09 Speaker 6: the Number one radio dot com, so you can stream

7:12 Speaker 6: it there as well. But we're going to be talking

7:14 Speaker 6: about hypnosis. We've been talking about doing this for a

7:16 Speaker 6: long time. I've been on the show before, obviously, and

7:18 Speaker 6: he's been on this show, but we've never done a

7:21 Speaker 6: segment together about hypnosis. So he's going to ask me

7:24 Speaker 6: some questions and perhaps I will even hypnotize him live

7:28 Speaker 6: during his program. For those of you who don't know,

7:30 Speaker 6: I am a certified hypnotherapist. I help people to quit smoking,

7:33 Speaker 6: lose weight, deal with phobios, all kinds of stuff I do,

7:37 Speaker 6: all kinds of things. Stress reduction is a stress reduction

7:42 Speaker 6: is a big one right now. But of course if

7:46 Speaker 6: you want more information on that, you can always go

7:47 Speaker 6: to my website, Matt Connorton dot com. But yes, I

7:50 Speaker 6: will be talking with Charles on his show. His show

7:53 Speaker 6: starts at eight pm. I will be joining at eight

7:56 Speaker 6: ten pm Eastern time. So again you can go the

8:00 Speaker 6: Charles Richardson Show Facebook or YouTube page or listen at

8:04 Speaker 6: Power one radio dot com. So that'll be cool. Charles

8:09 Speaker 6: and I haven't done anything together in terms of a

8:12 Speaker 6: show in a long time. I know that Charles Richardson

8:14 Speaker 6: show went away for a little bit. He took a hiatus,

8:16 Speaker 6: but he's back and it is very exciting. So there

8:20 Speaker 6: is a lot going on, but I think what we're

8:21 Speaker 6: going to do now, we'll go ahead and give this

8:24 Speaker 6: a spin. So this is the brand new track from

8:27 Speaker 6: our friend Molly Diago. I like this a lot. It's

8:30 Speaker 6: very very catchy. It is called Chained and Jackson Wilder

8:34 Speaker 6: featuring Jackson Wilder also on the track. And by the way,

8:37 Speaker 6: if you go to Molly's YouTube channel, you can see

8:40 Speaker 6: everything that she's got. We played. I think we were

8:45 Speaker 6: one of the first stations to play it. Actually, way

8:47 Speaker 6: back when we first met Molly. Her track End of

8:50 Speaker 6: the World, which is such a cool song. Maybe we'll

8:52 Speaker 6: play that at the end of our conversation today, but

8:54 Speaker 6: I'm looking forward to speaking with her. She's gonna be

8:56 Speaker 6: skyping in in just a few minutes. But let's go

8:58 Speaker 6: ahead and play this. This is really good.

9:00 Speaker 10: Yeah.

9:00 Speaker 6: The track is called Chained featuring Jackson Wilder, and this

9:04 Speaker 6: is Molly Diago.

9:28 Speaker 1: She's a Higher the Knights.

9:30 Speaker 7: And never and live and then you know you call

9:34 Speaker 7: friends that they live on inside.

9:40 Speaker 4: You're surfin yourgin yeldings the shames which you drive down

9:45 Speaker 4: your se versus. You do whatever you.

9:57 Speaker 11: To find.

9:58 Speaker 2: You find your own chronalyzing you conceal, They find you

10:04 Speaker 2: find your own brain.

10:06 Speaker 4: Nothing else.

10:07 Speaker 7: For the last height your hunting from the parts.

10:11 Speaker 6: This is how it has you been.

10:15 Speaker 4: Change you in your tearses, change.

10:28 Speaker 1: The truth in perhaps beneath your staying, your search for home.

10:31 Speaker 4: Mother ws goes you, your goes through, keep you a

10:39 Speaker 4: rush huts across beneath your veins.

10:42 Speaker 2: You tell your.

10:42 Speaker 4: Mama to love her. It's in Vaine to surfuse bee

10:46 Speaker 4: how God b.

10:51 Speaker 9: Whatever you be.

10:54 Speaker 4: To find you find your own bird.

10:57 Speaker 2: Chronalyzing you conceal, They find you find your own brain,

11:03 Speaker 2: nothing else.

11:04 Speaker 7: The last hat you're hunting, Parma pats, this is Hormard.

11:09 Speaker 4: Has to be change your tears. You with the big

11:16 Speaker 4: blog now to win the fighters don't work.

11:22 Speaker 12: Like the shot a big.

11:35 Speaker 4: Cold.

11:36 Speaker 2: Whatever you really to find, you find your bad from

11:42 Speaker 2: the lage you consume.

11:45 Speaker 6: They find you'll.

11:46 Speaker 2: Find your own brain, nothing else.

11:49 Speaker 7: The last hat you're hunting, parma pads, this is Horvid has.

11:55 Speaker 4: To be changed.

11:57 Speaker 9: You are tears.

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12:22 Speaker 6: Does that catchy or what that has changed. That is

12:25 Speaker 6: Molly Diago, who is here with us via Skype. Hi, Molly, Hey, Matt,

12:31 Speaker 6: how are you very good? Very good? Hey, I'm never

12:33 Speaker 6: sure with your last name. I know we've had this

12:35 Speaker 6: conversation before. Do you say Diago or Diego?

12:40 Speaker 10: Diago is just fine either way.

12:42 Speaker 4: I've been doing.

12:45 Speaker 6: Okay, okay, very good. Because of course you also have

12:47 Speaker 6: a much longer version of your name that people might

12:49 Speaker 6: find online with your with your music. But what a

12:52 Speaker 6: great track. What's that?

12:55 Speaker 10: Thank you so much, Thank you so much for spinning it.

12:57 Speaker 10: I appreciate it.

12:58 Speaker 6: Oh absolutely absolutely, I love it. And that is of

13:01 Speaker 6: course featuring Jackson Wilder. Can you tell us about that collaboration?

13:05 Speaker 6: And who is Jackson Wilder?

13:08 Speaker 11: So, Jackson Wilder is he's actually a kid. He's only

13:11 Speaker 11: fourteen years old. He sounds like like a grown man

13:14 Speaker 11: on the track. But he's a kid that's you know,

13:19 Speaker 11: sort of been a family friend of mine and he's

13:21 Speaker 11: always sort of taken an interest in music, and I

13:26 Speaker 11: you know, one day he had a snow day from

13:28 Speaker 11: school when I was going into the studio to record

13:30 Speaker 11: this track, and there was a little space on the

13:32 Speaker 11: song where I didn't have a bridge written yet, so

13:34 Speaker 11: I asked him, I said, hey, do you want to,

13:35 Speaker 11: you know, see what it's like. And he surprisingly he

13:38 Speaker 11: said okay, and he just went right on and did

13:40 Speaker 11: his thing, and then there's the song. You know, So

13:42 Speaker 11: it's kind of weird how it worked out, but it's

13:44 Speaker 11: all thanks to a snow day.

13:45 Speaker 6: Yeah, very cool. So that must be exciting for him,

13:48 Speaker 6: right to see that, you know, chain featuring Jackson Wilder,

13:52 Speaker 6: that must be pretty cool.

13:54 Speaker 11: Definitely, he was, he was, really, he's really excited, and

13:58 Speaker 11: he he got to participate in some of the press process,

14:01 Speaker 11: which I think was a little you know, overwhelming, especially

14:04 Speaker 11: at that age.

14:04 Speaker 10: But sure, he loves it. He's really excited.

14:06 Speaker 11: And of course to hear his song on the radio

14:08 Speaker 11: even just now, you know, wmnh, he loves it listening.

14:12 Speaker 11: And of course, you know, I have to remind myself

14:15 Speaker 11: what it's like to be, you know, that age and

14:17 Speaker 11: how exciting things are.

14:18 Speaker 10: And I think that working way that kid, you know.

14:21 Speaker 11: Has kind of helped me restore of what I've taken

14:24 Speaker 11: for granted, you know, in this process of music and

14:26 Speaker 11: you know, try to enjoy every second of it.

14:28 Speaker 10: Oh.

14:28 Speaker 6: Very cool. Uh Yeah, I'm curious about that. You know,

14:31 Speaker 6: you you mentioned you know, kind of taking things for

14:33 Speaker 6: granted in this process of music. Does it are there

14:36 Speaker 6: times in your career where it feels maybe a little

14:40 Speaker 6: too much like a job and not as exciting artistically?

14:43 Speaker 6: Do do you fall into that rut sometimes?

14:46 Speaker 11: Yeah, because and honestly, I didn't realize it just how

14:50 Speaker 11: much until recently, because I think that, you know, when

14:55 Speaker 11: I started out, and I was I was actually fourteen

14:57 Speaker 11: when I started as well, and I remember that I've

15:00 Speaker 11: opportunity I got. It was like you know, Christmas Eve

15:03 Speaker 11: every single night until it happened. I remember my first

15:05 Speaker 11: big gig was with the All American Rejects, and I

15:08 Speaker 11: remember I literally when I found out about it, like

15:10 Speaker 11: thirtys where I couldn't.

15:11 Speaker 10: Sleep that whole month. I was so excited.

15:14 Speaker 11: And so recently, like you know, especially releasing my own

15:18 Speaker 11: music now and not sort of playing in a band

15:20 Speaker 11: as a guitar player, like the first release kind of

15:23 Speaker 11: went the same way too, five or six years ago

15:25 Speaker 11: when I started. But I've sort of realized that I've

15:27 Speaker 11: kind of fallen into habit, and you know, it's somewhere

15:30 Speaker 11: along the line I've kind of lost that excitement, and

15:33 Speaker 11: it made me sad, you know, because if I was

15:35 Speaker 11: telling fourteen year old me what I'm doing now, I'd

15:37 Speaker 11: be like so excited. So I think that this single especially,

15:42 Speaker 11: I really had to take a step back and say, listen,

15:44 Speaker 11: like this is a dream, right, and not every person

15:47 Speaker 11: in the world gets to do what I'm doing. Not

15:49 Speaker 11: every person in the world gets streamed by you know,

15:51 Speaker 11: WMNH and so on and so forth.

15:53 Speaker 10: So I definitely have had to.

15:55 Speaker 11: Take a step back and say, listen, like you do

15:57 Speaker 11: this because you love it, Like try to enjoy it, you.

15:59 Speaker 6: Know, right right. I'm really curious about the song. The

16:04 Speaker 6: lyrics to the song. Clearly there there does seem to

16:07 Speaker 6: be a theme here, and there's there's a couple of

16:11 Speaker 6: things I could kind of derive from it. But I'm

16:13 Speaker 6: really curious, uh, I mean, is there is there a

16:16 Speaker 6: story behind these lyrics? Is are they directed at anyone specific?

16:21 Speaker 6: Is it more just a state of the world thing?

16:23 Speaker 6: I mean, tell me, tell me about the lyrics have

16:25 Speaker 6: chained So.

16:27 Speaker 11: I feel like every songwriter, despite what they say, there's

16:30 Speaker 11: always some sort of inspiration, you know, whether you hear

16:32 Speaker 11: cool word and sort of want to build off that

16:34 Speaker 11: there's always something that you know is in the background.

16:37 Speaker 10: And for me, I had an experience with this person, a.

16:41 Speaker 11: Person who is very close to me, who unfortunately I

16:44 Speaker 11: haven't even spoke to this person in two years, because

16:48 Speaker 11: you know, for various sort of components that happen when.

16:52 Speaker 10: You know you're dealing with addiction.

16:54 Speaker 11: So I think the song for me specifically, and I

16:57 Speaker 11: was putting it together although like I wasn't, you know,

16:59 Speaker 11: emotionally high off those feelings maybe I was two years ago,

17:03 Speaker 11: definitely had to do with feeling and I think it

17:06 Speaker 11: doesn't even just have to be addictioned, but I mean,

17:07 Speaker 11: I know all of us have relationships in life where

17:10 Speaker 11: you know, sometimes whether you're dealing with a narcissist or

17:12 Speaker 11: someone you know who's fighting addiction issues or just you know,

17:15 Speaker 11: a nasty person. The feeling of being shut out and

17:19 Speaker 11: then sort of taking control of her own life and

17:21 Speaker 11: stepping away, which took me ten years to do, really

17:25 Speaker 11: it was empowering, and so I think that's kind of

17:27 Speaker 11: where the song was going for me, just hopefully, and

17:30 Speaker 11: I don't even know if the person will ever hear it,

17:32 Speaker 11: but I think that it's important, you know, for people

17:34 Speaker 11: to also think about how their actions have reactions in

17:36 Speaker 11: other people's lives.

17:37 Speaker 10: So sorry, that's kind of a convoluted way of getting

17:41 Speaker 10: to the point.

17:41 Speaker 11: But at the root, it's just about, you know, dealing

17:43 Speaker 11: with someone who's you know and not themselves. And of

17:46 Speaker 11: course it's a tough, a tough thing to sort of navigate.

17:50 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's very difficult when you know, when you're dealing

17:53 Speaker 6: with someone with addiction who you know, if it's someone

17:56 Speaker 6: you love and you care about, but at a certain point,

17:59 Speaker 6: you know, and it depends. I mean, there's a lot

18:00 Speaker 6: of factors. I mean, I have a caffeine addiction, but

18:02 Speaker 6: I don't think that all time. Yeah, yeah, and I

18:06 Speaker 6: think most Americans do statistically from what I've read, but

18:09 Speaker 6: I don't. I don't think that really changes us as people.

18:12 Speaker 6: But there are some things you can be addicted to

18:14 Speaker 6: that really kind of change who you are as a person,

18:17 Speaker 6: and they alter your personality or they make you I

18:21 Speaker 6: shouldn't say make you. That's disempowering, but they they cause

18:24 Speaker 6: a person to behave in ways that they would not

18:27 Speaker 6: have maybe when you first got to know them. So

18:30 Speaker 6: if you if you have someone in your life who

18:32 Speaker 6: you love and you care about, and then at some

18:34 Speaker 6: point this other thing comes in that sort of takes

18:39 Speaker 6: control of them. Now you're dealing with you know, you've

18:43 Speaker 6: got this person you love, but it's like they're not

18:45 Speaker 6: all there anymore because this other thing is kind of

18:47 Speaker 6: taken over a part of them. And yeah, that's that's tough.

18:53 Speaker 10: Like it sounds like you know what I was going through.

18:56 Speaker 11: So and I mean I and it's unfortunate, you know,

18:59 Speaker 11: if you do, because it's hard because exactly right what

19:01 Speaker 11: you said, like, you know, the person that I that

19:03 Speaker 11: I met was completely different, and so I think you

19:07 Speaker 11: kind of drag yourself through the weeds trying to find

19:09 Speaker 11: that person again. But in reality, there's nothing that you

19:11 Speaker 11: can do, like they like. And I always thought it

19:14 Speaker 11: was cliche because I love the show Intervention, you know,

19:16 Speaker 11: I'd watch it all the time when it came out,

19:17 Speaker 11: I don't five or fifteen years ago now, and they'd

19:20 Speaker 11: always say, listen, you have to want it, and I

19:22 Speaker 11: thought that was again cliche.

19:24 Speaker 10: But it's not.

19:25 Speaker 11: If the person does not believe that they're living in

19:28 Speaker 11: this alternate reality, it just in there's nothing you can do.

19:32 Speaker 11: And so it took me years to be able to

19:34 Speaker 11: let it go that that person that I knew isn't

19:37 Speaker 11: there anymore, and until he wants to change, you know,

19:39 Speaker 11: it's just not going to happen.

19:40 Speaker 10: So I think it's hard.

19:42 Speaker 11: And like I said, Matt, the way you described that,

19:44 Speaker 11: I feel like maybe you've sort of gone through.

19:45 Speaker 10: Something smaller and can relate to it. But it's tough. Yeah,

19:48 Speaker 10: it's tough seeing that.

19:49 Speaker 11: And so again, music is just you know, an outlet,

19:51 Speaker 11: is a creative person that I can kind of share

19:53 Speaker 11: those stories, you know.

19:54 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I think what I mean as I think

19:57 Speaker 6: of examples where I, yeah, I may have maybe able

20:00 Speaker 6: to relate to it. I think the theme here is

20:03 Speaker 6: very relatable. I think a lot of people have been

20:05 Speaker 6: through that or or a lot of people also have

20:09 Speaker 6: been on the side of you know, they they were

20:12 Speaker 6: addicted to something, and you know, because obviously, you know,

20:15 Speaker 6: we have a lot of musicians on the show, A

20:16 Speaker 6: lot of musicians struggle with addiction and some of the

20:20 Speaker 6: actually I am thinking of somebody specific who we've had

20:22 Speaker 6: on who talked about how his alcoholism. I don't know

20:27 Speaker 6: if you know the band The Gray Curtain. Dennis Layton

20:30 Speaker 6: from The Gray Curtain, great band, and Dennis is a

20:32 Speaker 6: great guy, but he was. He was on the show

20:35 Speaker 6: talking about so I'm not telling any tales out of school.

20:37 Speaker 6: He was talking about it on the show. He was

20:39 Speaker 6: he was talking about how, you know, with his alcoholism,

20:43 Speaker 6: which he has overcome, he's now recovering, but how that

20:46 Speaker 6: pushed people away and that's what a lot of his

20:48 Speaker 6: music is about, and how he in fact, he talked

20:52 Speaker 6: on the show about how he had a he had

20:54 Speaker 6: a long term relationship with someone who ended up leaving

20:58 Speaker 6: him because he had the way he put it, I

21:00 Speaker 6: remember he used these almost exact words, he said, because

21:03 Speaker 6: he had become someone else other than the person who

21:06 Speaker 6: he was when they first met. He had become a

21:09 Speaker 6: man who he did not recognize himself, and so she

21:13 Speaker 6: had to go. And so I think this is I

21:15 Speaker 6: think it's a very relatable theme. I think a lot

21:18 Speaker 6: of people have been on one side or the other

21:20 Speaker 6: of this, or or even both sides at various points

21:22 Speaker 6: in their life.

21:24 Speaker 10: Yeah.

21:24 Speaker 11: Absolutely, one hundred percent. And like I think, of course,

21:27 Speaker 11: this person that I was doing was also a musician.

21:29 Speaker 11: And the hard part about it's just hard because if

21:32 Speaker 11: you're an empathetic person or an unpathed, like it's again

21:36 Speaker 11: everything you want to do to try and fix them,

21:38 Speaker 11: to make them feel better, because you know that they're

21:40 Speaker 11: not living a healthy life, you know. And I think

21:42 Speaker 11: that you sort of translate that weight onto you, yes,

21:45 Speaker 11: and it caused chaos in your own life, you know.

21:49 Speaker 11: So I mean, but it's good that I guess in

21:51 Speaker 11: that story, it's it's amazing that he could reflect on that.

21:54 Speaker 11: And that's all that I hope one day is that

21:56 Speaker 11: this person, eventually when he comes to light, like, can

22:00 Speaker 11: reflect on hey, like Molly cared about me, she was

22:03 Speaker 11: a good person, like, because you know, it gets it

22:04 Speaker 11: gets nasty, like when they just don't want to feel like,

22:10 Speaker 11: you know, anything is wrong or they're doing anything wrong,

22:13 Speaker 11: because nobody wants to feel that way, right, but yeah,

22:15 Speaker 11: you don't want to feel like they're hurting someone else.

22:17 Speaker 11: And it's tough because then they sort of make you

22:20 Speaker 11: the criminal, you know. So I don't know, it's a

22:22 Speaker 11: crazy of emotions when dealing with that. But it's great

22:25 Speaker 11: for him that he was able to reflect on that

22:27 Speaker 11: and actually tell the story as it, you know, was accurate.

22:30 Speaker 10: And I hope that for this person as well.

22:32 Speaker 11: And of course with any two musicians that have like,

22:35 Speaker 11: you know, creative energy, and of course we're sometimes not

22:39 Speaker 11: the most controlled personalities. A lot comes out, you know,

22:43 Speaker 11: it's tough. It's definitely a tough thing for you know,

22:45 Speaker 11: musicians creatives like and I would.

22:48 Speaker 6: Uh, I would just uh add two for anyone who's

22:52 Speaker 6: who's going through that where you have someone in your

22:53 Speaker 6: life who's addicted and you know you may you may

22:56 Speaker 6: love them, but you're not your love for them and

22:59 Speaker 6: you're caring for them. You're not obligated to let them

23:02 Speaker 6: drag you down with them if that's what's happening. But

23:04 Speaker 6: also if you're just sticking around, you're not necessarily helping

23:09 Speaker 6: them long term either, if you're just kind of sticking

23:11 Speaker 6: around and putting up with it, because they're never going

23:15 Speaker 6: to get better until they as as you alluded to,

23:18 Speaker 6: until they want to change. And one of the ways

23:22 Speaker 6: that people arrive at that conclusion that they need to

23:24 Speaker 6: change is when people start leaving and you know, maybe

23:28 Speaker 6: they lose somebody who is really important to them, maybe

23:30 Speaker 6: they lose enough people where they start to go, Okay,

23:32 Speaker 6: now I need to change. Because you're right, you can't

23:35 Speaker 6: make them want to do it. They have to want

23:37 Speaker 6: to do it. I tell clients that with you know,

23:40 Speaker 6: I'm a hypnotherapist and when I deal with a lot

23:43 Speaker 6: of people who want to quit smoking, and I pay

23:45 Speaker 6: very close attention to the language that they use. If

23:47 Speaker 6: someone comes to me and says, you know, I really

23:50 Speaker 6: want to quit and here's why. Great. But if somebody

23:52 Speaker 6: comes to me and they say, well, you know, I

23:54 Speaker 6: guess I kind of want to quit because my spouse

23:57 Speaker 6: or my kids or whoever they want me to quit,

23:59 Speaker 6: It's like, well, no, I can't. I can't help you

24:01 Speaker 6: if you're doing it for somebody else. I can only

24:02 Speaker 6: help you if you're doing it for you, because you

24:05 Speaker 6: know you're you're never going to be as motivated to

24:06 Speaker 6: do it for somebody else.

24:07 Speaker 11: And you have to want to change, right, And like

24:13 Speaker 11: that's the hardest thing to understand as someone who's the

24:17 Speaker 11: one you know that's sort of on the other side

24:20 Speaker 11: of it, you know, is that if they don't want

24:22 Speaker 11: to change, you can only you can keep dragging yourself

24:26 Speaker 11: down to the end of time. And I can't tell

24:27 Speaker 11: you how many friends over that ten year span told

24:30 Speaker 11: me like, what are you doing? But like, when you're

24:32 Speaker 11: living it and you've seen that, you know how good

24:34 Speaker 11: this person can be. Like again, you just keep fighting.

24:37 Speaker 11: But and it was the hardest thing I've ever had

24:38 Speaker 11: to do, I think in my life, maybe to cut

24:41 Speaker 11: this person off. But once I was able to do that,

24:43 Speaker 11: I was able to stop aside and see that again,

24:45 Speaker 11: everything you're saying is hundred percent right.

24:47 Speaker 10: If he's not wanting to push forward that change, Like

24:50 Speaker 10: what am I going to do? You know?

24:51 Speaker 11: And if I didn't get it done in seven years

24:54 Speaker 11: or eight years or whatever, Like you know, when am

24:56 Speaker 11: I going to wake up and say, hey, this is

24:58 Speaker 11: causing you chaos in your life and people that you.

25:01 Speaker 10: Love because you're getting dragged out.

25:03 Speaker 11: But this person, you know, and some of it, some

25:05 Speaker 11: of what happened to me, and this person was also

25:07 Speaker 11: quite public, so that was sort of another element of

25:11 Speaker 11: the drama. But like, you know, the best thing you

25:13 Speaker 11: can do for yourself, if you are listening and going

25:14 Speaker 11: through this is cut the chord. It's not hard, it's

25:17 Speaker 11: not easy, excuse me, but you know it'll be one

25:19 Speaker 11: of the best things that you can do to preserve yourself,

25:21 Speaker 11: especially if you've given this person, you know, years of

25:24 Speaker 11: your life trying to get back to it unless they

25:26 Speaker 11: want it. Like you said, it's not all you're going

25:29 Speaker 11: to do is you know, more heartbreak for yourself. And

25:31 Speaker 11: it's not selfish to think that either, because I thought

25:33 Speaker 11: it was selfish too for a long time.

25:35 Speaker 10: But it's not. You have to self preserve at some point.

25:37 Speaker 6: Now, right exactly now. In terms of writing the song,

25:41 Speaker 6: was this a difficult song to write? Or was it

25:44 Speaker 6: cathartic for you to write this? Or or I mean,

25:47 Speaker 6: how did you feel in writing the lyrics to this

25:50 Speaker 6: because obviously this is this comes from a very personal place.

25:54 Speaker 10: Yeah, for sure.

25:56 Speaker 11: I mean it's definitely cathartic, you know a little bit.

25:59 Speaker 11: For me, it always becomes more cathartic when I'm able

26:01 Speaker 11: to actually get in the booth, you know, and sing it,

26:04 Speaker 11: because when you're singing for a recording like and I'll

26:08 Speaker 11: never forget this ID.

26:10 Speaker 10: I was working with a guy from mushroom Head.

26:11 Speaker 11: For a while, the singer while XT singer now, and

26:15 Speaker 11: he gave me some really good advice. He went into

26:17 Speaker 11: the studio with me one day years ago and I

26:21 Speaker 11: was kind of laying down lines and he's like, bro,

26:23 Speaker 11: like you're not selling it, Like you're not selling me anything.

26:26 Speaker 11: He's like, until you put emotion into it, like, you're

26:29 Speaker 11: not selling me anything. He's like, you can sing the

26:32 Speaker 11: same line over and over again, but if you're not

26:34 Speaker 11: feeling every single word, like as a listener on board,

26:36 Speaker 11: you know, it could be the best song in the world,

26:38 Speaker 11: but if you're not selling it right. So Ever, since

26:41 Speaker 11: I've had that advice, every line that I put in

26:44 Speaker 11: the studio, I am thinking, how does this make me feel?

26:47 Speaker 10: How can I bring emotion to it?

26:49 Speaker 11: So writing is one thing, because it's words on paper,

26:51 Speaker 11: but actually singing it and you know, wanting to try

26:55 Speaker 11: to get it to the point that it's you know,

26:56 Speaker 11: gonna be sellable to an audience that's going to hopefully

26:58 Speaker 11: listen to it over and over again.

27:00 Speaker 10: That is really when it hits, you.

27:01 Speaker 6: Know, absolutely absolutely. Let's see, I just want to say

27:06 Speaker 6: hi to a few people in the chat room. Grim

27:08 Speaker 6: Rock is in there, of course, one of our great

27:09 Speaker 6: friends from Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh specifically a great musician. Also Jay Fed,

27:14 Speaker 6: our friend from Vermont, Jenny is in the chat room

27:16 Speaker 6: of course. Also I see Scott, Arthur McCullough and Molly.

27:21 Speaker 4: What else have you been up to?

27:23 Speaker 6: It's it's been. I want to say, it's been probably

27:25 Speaker 6: a year and a half since you've been on the show.

27:29 Speaker 6: What have you been Have you been touring, have you

27:31 Speaker 6: just been focused on recording studio tracks, or what have

27:35 Speaker 6: you been doing?

27:37 Speaker 13: Sure?

27:38 Speaker 14: So, I.

27:40 Speaker 11: Honestly a little bit of this, a little bit of that.

27:43 Speaker 11: I did get to do some shows, I think since

27:45 Speaker 11: the last time I saw you. I have a wonderful

27:47 Speaker 11: booking agent who sent me to a couple of cool

27:51 Speaker 11: cities down south, and we've of course been in the

27:56 Speaker 11: studio you know, here and there. But it's funny, my

27:58 Speaker 11: life has kind of and I think this was back

28:00 Speaker 11: to meet taking music for granted a little bit. I

28:03 Speaker 11: started getting into I have a nonprofit organization right now,

28:06 Speaker 11: and what we do is we help racehorses sort of

28:11 Speaker 11: transition into life after racing so they're not ending up

28:14 Speaker 11: in a bad place like a kill pen or slaughter

28:15 Speaker 11: you know thing whatever. Yeah, and horses are very much

28:20 Speaker 11: a summer activity. And it's hard because touring is also

28:23 Speaker 11: very much a summer activity, at least in my life,

28:25 Speaker 11: because I'm not interested in sort of judging around in

28:28 Speaker 11: the snow anymore.

28:29 Speaker 6: But uh, don't blame you, so honestly.

28:32 Speaker 10: Like it's been a very very busy life of both.

28:36 Speaker 11: Sort of managing a nonprofit of course I'm a lawyer

28:39 Speaker 11: in career as well, and also trying to you know,

28:42 Speaker 11: fit in some music. So that's kind of why we've

28:44 Speaker 11: been putting out singles, is just because you know, it's

28:46 Speaker 11: been so busy to try and like, you know, sort

28:49 Speaker 11: of fit an element.

28:50 Speaker 10: Into all of it. So it's been a little of

28:51 Speaker 10: this little of that, you know.

28:52 Speaker 4: But how about you?

28:53 Speaker 11: What have you been up to on Facebook all the time? Yeah,

28:56 Speaker 11: doing all kinds of new things. You look like you're

28:59 Speaker 11: in a new studio since time I've seen you.

29:01 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, we'll have to have you on in person

29:03 Speaker 6: at some point so you can see this beautiful place. Yes,

29:05 Speaker 6: we're in a new you know, and the where we

29:07 Speaker 6: were at before was nice and everything, but yes, the

29:10 Speaker 6: radio station has moved since then and we're in this

29:12 Speaker 6: this this incredible building where everything is new and clean

29:15 Speaker 6: and it's it's it's really nice here. So yeah, we'll

29:18 Speaker 6: have to we'll have to get.

29:19 Speaker 10: You here at are you Are you still downtown area?

29:23 Speaker 7: Uh?

29:23 Speaker 6: Yeah, well it depends on what you'd define as downtown.

29:27 Speaker 6: There's actually been some debate about that across some of

29:30 Speaker 6: the shows. But I think this is technically still considered

29:33 Speaker 6: downtown because we're very close to Elm Street. So the

29:36 Speaker 6: old place was on Elm Street.

29:38 Speaker 15: Uh.

29:38 Speaker 6: Now we're you know, we're a couple of blocks down

29:41 Speaker 6: from Elm Street. But I think this is still technically

29:43 Speaker 6: considered the downtown area. But it's great. The parking situation

29:48 Speaker 6: is so much better, and it's you know, it's everything

29:50 Speaker 6: here is. You know, they remodeled this building before we

29:53 Speaker 6: moved in, and it's incredible. Yeah, you got to see it.

29:56 Speaker 6: You got to see it. It's really nice.

29:57 Speaker 11: I would love to come in. Absolutely, I'm happy. If

30:00 Speaker 11: you guys are happy, I'm happy. I had one of

30:01 Speaker 11: my favorite shocks.

30:02 Speaker 6: Oh, thank you, thank you very much. I'm curious to

30:06 Speaker 6: know more about this nonprofit. By the way, how long

30:09 Speaker 6: how long ago did you start?

30:11 Speaker 13: That?

30:11 Speaker 6: Is this relatively new? Yeah?

30:14 Speaker 11: So, uh, it's just over a year old. And I've

30:19 Speaker 11: had raceources my whole life. I've been heavy into race horses.

30:22 Speaker 11: Not the kime that you think, not the like the

30:24 Speaker 11: Kentucky Derby kind, but the kime that kind of has

30:27 Speaker 11: like a cart. You know, they have the cart and

30:29 Speaker 11: the driver. And actually there's quite a racing community not

30:33 Speaker 11: too far from you in Maine and also in mass

30:35 Speaker 11: so they're in Vermont actually so and honestly, I think

30:39 Speaker 11: is it Somerset, New Hampshire is a town that Summer's

30:42 Speaker 11: Worth or something also had a racetrack. So there's racetracks

30:44 Speaker 11: all over New England that do this kind of cart

30:46 Speaker 11: racing situation, and that's where I grew up in. So

30:50 Speaker 11: recently we've had a really big situation where a lot

30:53 Speaker 11: of those horses are ending up in bad situations because

30:55 Speaker 11: a lot of them end up with the Amish after

30:57 Speaker 11: they race.

30:58 Speaker 10: So the Amish will kind of of they treat them sort.

31:01 Speaker 11: Of like machinery. And you can't even hate on exits

31:04 Speaker 11: their way of life, right, that's what they know. So okay,

31:06 Speaker 11: But the problem is is the Amish when they're done

31:08 Speaker 11: with them, if there's any use life to them, they'll

31:10 Speaker 11: sell them to whoever will give them, you know, a dollar.

31:13 Speaker 11: So a lot of those times there meat buyers, right,

31:16 Speaker 11: so the meat buyers buy from the Amish, and then

31:19 Speaker 11: what happens is these rescue groups have a chance to

31:22 Speaker 11: intercept the horses. So because race horses are tattooed, we

31:26 Speaker 11: can identify who they are. So the rescues go into

31:30 Speaker 11: the kill pens before the horses ship for meat, you know,

31:32 Speaker 11: and then they post every name online. So what happens

31:35 Speaker 11: is is if you own one of those.

31:37 Speaker 10: Horses, all of a sudden, you're like, oh my god,

31:39 Speaker 10: I have to save this horse.

31:40 Speaker 6: Oh wow.

31:40 Speaker 10: So it's kind of become of extortion.

31:43 Speaker 11: Because of course you don't want the horse to go

31:45 Speaker 11: to slaughter, you know, that's your your boy maybe at

31:48 Speaker 11: some point, right, but the back up the price ridiculously.

31:52 Speaker 11: So if the kill buyers paying twenty five dollars for

31:54 Speaker 11: the horse from the Amish, he's gonna sell it to

31:56 Speaker 11: me for one thousand dollars because he knows.

31:58 Speaker 10: Emotionally, I don't want that horse to die, right right.

32:01 Speaker 10: So that's a crisis.

32:03 Speaker 11: And so what I've sort of come up with is

32:05 Speaker 11: if we can place horses and homes that are not

32:07 Speaker 11: the Amish when they're done racing, hopefully we can cut

32:10 Speaker 11: back on this problem. So that's what we've been doing

32:14 Speaker 11: for the last year. We've done I think almost two

32:16 Speaker 11: hundred and fifty adoptions in a year, so that's a lot.

32:19 Speaker 11: Were very busy absolutely excited about that. And at the

32:24 Speaker 11: same time, we also bring these horses to horse shows

32:26 Speaker 11: and such just sort of get the mission out there.

32:28 Speaker 10: So it's super busy, but it's good work and you know,

32:31 Speaker 10: I really enjoy it.

32:32 Speaker 11: It makes me, you know, feel happy and feel good about,

32:34 Speaker 11: you know, doing something that hopefully is benefiting you know.

32:37 Speaker 10: Not only the people who are being extorted, but the horses.

32:39 Speaker 10: You know, at the end of the day.

32:40 Speaker 6: Now, that's great that you're doing that so long. No,

32:43 Speaker 6: that's that's wonderful. I'm glad. I'm glad to hear you

32:46 Speaker 6: talk about that. That's that's fantastic, very positive. And at

32:50 Speaker 6: two hundred and fifty horses you've saved, that's that's amazing.

32:53 Speaker 6: So you're doing great work there.

32:56 Speaker 10: We're very busy.

32:57 Speaker 11: I'm very fortunate to have also a wonderful team who's

32:59 Speaker 11: started volunteers and helps helps the trankey problem. Because it's

33:03 Speaker 11: it's a lot of work, but I love it. It's

33:05 Speaker 11: it's it's, like I said, something that makes me happy.

33:07 Speaker 6: So yeah, yeah, absolutely, you mentioned too reminding us and

33:12 Speaker 6: we've talked about it a little bit before. But you're

33:14 Speaker 6: also an attorney, and are you are you Uh, do

33:18 Speaker 6: you have a particular zone that you work in or

33:20 Speaker 6: do you do entertainment law or.

33:22 Speaker 12: What do you do?

33:24 Speaker 6: Yeah, so.

33:26 Speaker 11: I do a lot of entertainment stuff, mostly because those

33:29 Speaker 11: are my friends.

33:30 Speaker 14: Yeah.

33:32 Speaker 11: Before I did the solo stuff like I did, I

33:36 Speaker 11: was a guitarist, right, so I met a lot of

33:38 Speaker 11: people being a guitar player and sort of floating around

33:40 Speaker 11: to different bands and such. So because I met so

33:44 Speaker 11: many people, the day I became an attorney all of

33:46 Speaker 11: a sudden, like my phone is off the hook every day.

33:49 Speaker 11: So I have a lot of bands that I that

33:51 Speaker 11: I support now, which I'm happy to do it because again,

33:54 Speaker 11: you know, that's the reason why I got into it,

33:56 Speaker 11: and also sort of unexpected when I got out of

34:00 Speaker 11: law school and I was sort of navigating, you know,

34:03 Speaker 11: what I wanted to do.

34:03 Speaker 10: I also work a lot of nonprofit law.

34:07 Speaker 11: So that's another reason which kind of contributed to me

34:09 Speaker 11: starting my own is because I knew, you know, I

34:12 Speaker 11: know what it's like, and I knew the whole sort

34:14 Speaker 11: of legality process, and you know, it made sense.

34:16 Speaker 10: So I do. I work a lot with nonprofits and

34:18 Speaker 10: a lot with artists, so and I love it. Every

34:21 Speaker 10: day is a new challenge, but you know, it keeps

34:24 Speaker 10: us busy.

34:25 Speaker 6: It's so important too for musicians, as you know, to

34:29 Speaker 6: protect themselves and to really you know, we've been talking,

34:32 Speaker 6: Jenny and I sometimes on the show, if we have

34:35 Speaker 6: a few minutes, we'll talk about we've been following very

34:37 Speaker 6: closely Limp Biscuits lawsuit against Universal Music Group, and I

34:42 Speaker 6: was commenting, how you know it's so important. Obviously there's

34:46 Speaker 6: a lot of sharks in the industry, and there's a

34:48 Speaker 6: lot of there's a lot of people who will or

34:50 Speaker 6: big companies like UMG, who will try to take advantage

34:53 Speaker 6: of you and try to take advantage of anybody that

34:55 Speaker 6: they sign. And you know, I learned this term recently

34:58 Speaker 6: spaghetti accounting, and I've been learning a lot. But but

35:01 Speaker 6: we talked about the importance of before you sign anything,

35:05 Speaker 6: have an entertainment lawyer, have somebody look at it before you,

35:10 Speaker 6: you know, sign that deal, so you know exactly what

35:12 Speaker 6: you're getting into, so that you don't end up in

35:14 Speaker 6: a situation where you might think that you're owed a

35:17 Speaker 6: lot of money, but then it turns out you signed

35:19 Speaker 6: a deal where well, maybe you're actually not owed anything.

35:22 Speaker 6: And it's so it's so important to have somebody look.

35:26 Speaker 10: At that.

35:29 Speaker 11: And that alone is literally a crisis. And one of

35:33 Speaker 11: the things actually with the person who inspired the song

35:36 Speaker 11: specifically really opened my eyes set because a lot of

35:40 Speaker 11: my friends that I have a lot of them are

35:44 Speaker 11: rockers from nineties, two thousands, and that was the peak

35:48 Speaker 11: of the rock record deal as we know it, the

35:50 Speaker 11: modern one. Yeah, so they were plucking these bands of

35:54 Speaker 11: kids and they were sort of wrapping them up in

35:59 Speaker 11: these record deals, but they would sort of disguise it

36:01 Speaker 11: with giant advances. So if you take a group of

36:04 Speaker 11: twenty year olds or twenty five ors whatever and say hey,

36:07 Speaker 11: we're going to give you a quarter million dollars to

36:09 Speaker 11: make a rock record, they're like, heck, yeah, I'm in,

36:11 Speaker 11: you know, not thinking about anything else other than that.

36:13 Speaker 11: But what they don't understand is also an advances alone, right,

36:16 Speaker 11: so it's not even like and you have to spend it,

36:19 Speaker 11: of course on these expenses, and then secondarily they're signing

36:21 Speaker 11: their rights away to the end product. So we have

36:24 Speaker 11: these guys who have like mega hits right from the

36:28 Speaker 11: two thousands, especially nineties as well, that are not seeing

36:33 Speaker 11: any of their money and a lot for a lot

36:36 Speaker 11: of them that is money they can live off of, right,

36:38 Speaker 11: especially a lot of them that are not in the

36:39 Speaker 11: business anymore, Like now they're having to go molawans because

36:43 Speaker 11: despite them having a hit that's still spun on lithium,

36:46 Speaker 11: you know, and serious, it doesn't matter. And the other

36:48 Speaker 11: thing that these labels were doing is they were putting

36:52 Speaker 11: these sort of clawback clauses in that says, even if

36:55 Speaker 11: you know, our rights expire after ten or fifteen years,

36:57 Speaker 11: you have to be the ones to come claim them, right.

37:01 Speaker 11: So seeing people who haven't been not that they have

37:04 Speaker 11: been relevant, but they haven't been like as well off

37:06 Speaker 11: as they were fifteen years ago. Trying to navigate or

37:09 Speaker 11: figure out how to do this. You have to get

37:11 Speaker 11: a friend's like accountant, you have to get lawyers, all

37:13 Speaker 11: this thing, and then with what little money you have,

37:15 Speaker 11: you're trying to fight a UMG. You know, you're trying

37:18 Speaker 11: to fight a capital It's like they make it almost impossible.

37:22 Speaker 11: So all of these people, it's really a travesty, you know.

37:26 Speaker 11: And I see their Spotify's they're probably making ten grand

37:29 Speaker 11: them they're not seeing any of it. Right over songs

37:31 Speaker 11: that have been hit for twenty years and it's just

37:33 Speaker 11: terrible because these people now have nothing.

37:37 Speaker 10: And a lot of.

37:38 Speaker 11: Times when you're signing these deals when you're twenty, you

37:40 Speaker 11: miss out on a lot of life skills that every

37:42 Speaker 11: other twenty year old's learning. How to balance a checkbook,

37:45 Speaker 11: how to pay bills, how to do this, how to

37:47 Speaker 11: do your taxes. They learn none of those skills. So

37:50 Speaker 11: now you have these people who are thirty, you know,

37:52 Speaker 11: forty fifty, who have no skills. They have no way

37:57 Speaker 11: to collect a living off of all the work that

37:59 Speaker 11: they've done, because again there's all these red you know,

38:02 Speaker 11: sort of red tape and paper walls, and they're literally living,

38:06 Speaker 11: you know, and swallowed. And that's why a lot of

38:08 Speaker 11: them turn to things like drugs because you know, they're

38:11 Speaker 11: also sort of facing this mental crisis of that one

38:14 Speaker 11: time I was on top of the world and now

38:16 Speaker 11: I'm at the bottom.

38:17 Speaker 10: Like dealing with that, it's difficult for them.

38:20 Speaker 11: So it's like a ginormous ball and especially if you're

38:24 Speaker 11: you know, interested or involved in psychology of many, you know,

38:27 Speaker 11: it's like a huge ball of trauma that explodes on

38:30 Speaker 11: these people and they're forgotten.

38:32 Speaker 12: Yeah.

38:32 Speaker 10: Yeah, And it's again wild because.

38:34 Speaker 11: They can turn on their car radio and their songs

38:36 Speaker 11: still on twenty years later, and they're like literally living

38:39 Speaker 11: in the car, you know, Like it's crazy, it's crazy.

38:42 Speaker 11: But the whole situation, it takes advantage of these kids,

38:46 Speaker 11: and they're still doing it today. I don't know to

38:50 Speaker 11: what extent, but I know what they did. You know,

38:53 Speaker 11: back before streaming was a thing, it was. It's terrible,

38:55 Speaker 11: it's criminal, and Olympus Get is a great example. But

38:59 Speaker 11: Olympus get It has the money and power to be

39:02 Speaker 11: able to do something about it. So I'm really hoping

39:04 Speaker 11: that you know, this sort of makes an example and

39:07 Speaker 11: help set the record straight for all these people who

39:09 Speaker 11: are getting screwed, you know, because it's terrible.

39:12 Speaker 6: Yeah, is that anyways? Wood, No, that's great information. You know,

39:17 Speaker 6: a lot of a lot of musicians listen to the show,

39:20 Speaker 6: some of them young musicians just starting out, and a

39:22 Speaker 6: lot of industry people listen. So this is important information.

39:25 Speaker 6: Is that the number one mistake you see artists make

39:28 Speaker 6: is signing a signing a record deal and they don't

39:31 Speaker 6: know what they're getting into.

39:34 Speaker 10: Yeah.

39:34 Speaker 11: Absolutely, And a lot of artists, a lot of my

39:37 Speaker 11: friends especially you know that I grew up with who

39:40 Speaker 11: you know, are I never had anything really big happen.

39:46 Speaker 11: We'll say, uh, look, I just had one gentleman that

39:49 Speaker 11: came to me a couple of days ago. He got

39:51 Speaker 11: sort of sent a record deal by some unknown company,

39:55 Speaker 11: and the terms were like almost ridiculous, like basically he

39:58 Speaker 11: has to pay for everything. They get to keep all

40:01 Speaker 11: the rights despite him paying for everything, but they'll give

40:04 Speaker 11: him distribution, which distribution is important, but it's only important

40:07 Speaker 11: if you're using a real distributor, and they weren't. So

40:09 Speaker 11: I'm like, dude, you know, think And it's hard because

40:13 Speaker 11: like I don't want to hurt this guy's feelings because

40:15 Speaker 11: I'm like, this doesn't mean that you're bad.

40:17 Speaker 10: You know, this doesn't mean that you're not worth a

40:19 Speaker 10: real record deal. But dude, what are you getting.

40:22 Speaker 11: You're up running all your costs and you're giving them

40:24 Speaker 11: all your rights, like on its face, like you can't

40:27 Speaker 11: do that, right, it's not worth it. And if someone's

40:30 Speaker 11: willing to cut a deal like that, they don't know

40:31 Speaker 11: what they're doing. So I said that it's not This

40:33 Speaker 11: isn't worth the paper it's printed on, and you know,

40:35 Speaker 11: so I get that a lot, and it's bad, you know,

40:37 Speaker 11: because they're so excited and you have to rain on

40:39 Speaker 11: their parade a little bit. But it's important to do

40:41 Speaker 11: that because again, what if he has a hit right

40:44 Speaker 11: like right, it'd be terrible or if you know, it's useless,

40:48 Speaker 11: And I think that's the other thing is uh and

40:50 Speaker 11: A sorry so many tangents, but a lot of these

40:53 Speaker 11: small independent labels are sort of popping up out of

40:55 Speaker 11: the woodwork, and it's just people who you know, want

40:58 Speaker 11: to do it but don't know how are their means

41:00 Speaker 11: Musicians that failed and if they don't have the tools

41:03 Speaker 11: to you know, market your music, they're not it's not

41:06 Speaker 11: worth it. Like they have to have distribution that's actually

41:10 Speaker 11: worth something. A lot of small labels will sign on with,

41:13 Speaker 11: like you know, Sony's distribution is called the Orchard active

41:17 Speaker 11: distribution actively pushing your music, versus passive distribution like CD baby,

41:21 Speaker 11: where anyone could pay nine dollars and your song will

41:23 Speaker 11: pop up in Spotify tomorrow. You know, having a marketing

41:28 Speaker 11: team having radio is not a radio agents, I suppose

41:32 Speaker 11: is good as well as Spotify playlisters. You need to

41:35 Speaker 11: sign with people who have something to give to you.

41:37 Speaker 11: If you're giving them your product, they need to match

41:40 Speaker 11: that contribution right with resources. So that's the most important

41:43 Speaker 11: thing I think if any musicians are listening, you absolutely

41:46 Speaker 11: have to, you know, be able to to sort of

41:52 Speaker 11: do some due diligence and make sure that what you're

41:54 Speaker 11: offering they're matching at right with with resources and services.

41:58 Speaker 6: Right absolutely, you know, And as you were saying, too,

42:03 Speaker 6: you know, these nineties artists, early two thousands artists didn't

42:05 Speaker 6: have some of the ways available to them to do

42:09 Speaker 6: it the way you can do it now. Where now

42:10 Speaker 6: you can you know, Top I don't know if you're

42:13 Speaker 6: familiar with Top music attorney. She's a law tuber and

42:16 Speaker 6: she specializes in this area, and she talks about how

42:19 Speaker 6: you know, be your own record label. You know you

42:21 Speaker 6: can do all this stuff DIY if you want.

42:23 Speaker 10: To, Yes, yes, that's my favorite topic of all times.

42:28 Speaker 10: I want tangent on it.

42:29 Speaker 11: But that is one accurate and I think that that

42:34 Speaker 11: sort of was the last piece of that conversation, is

42:37 Speaker 11: that there's no sense in signing your life away when

42:39 Speaker 11: you can basically it's called label services, right, you can

42:43 Speaker 11: piece together your own team today and do everything label

42:46 Speaker 11: would you kind of it?

42:47 Speaker 10: You have to pay for it.

42:49 Speaker 11: But the pro of it is if it works, then

42:51 Speaker 11: you get to keep every penny that you make, you know,

42:54 Speaker 11: to reinvest it, like you don't. Nobody needs able today,

42:57 Speaker 11: not nobody. But of course it's just this, you know,

43:01 Speaker 11: it's kind of like I don't know, like an old

43:03 Speaker 11: lives tale. I guess that, oh, we want the big

43:05 Speaker 11: record deal and whatnot, but you know, you know how it.

43:08 Speaker 6: Goes, Oh I do. And and if you build your

43:11 Speaker 6: own team instead of using a label too, you retain

43:16 Speaker 6: all the rights to your own music because you know,

43:18 Speaker 6: I mean, we've all heard the horror stories too about

43:21 Speaker 6: you know, somebody records an album for a record label

43:24 Speaker 6: that they're signed to, and then the album gets shelved

43:27 Speaker 6: because for whatever reason, the label doesn't want to release it,

43:31 Speaker 6: and you've just put all this work into something that

43:34 Speaker 6: now isn't even coming out. And those stories are are

43:38 Speaker 6: plentiful and they're heartbreaking.

43:41 Speaker 10: They's terrible.

43:42 Speaker 11: And that's kind of the new trend with these labels

43:45 Speaker 11: is they'll sign twenty people at once, have them all

43:48 Speaker 11: produced content, and then one person will actually see the

43:51 Speaker 11: light of day. The others the music is taken over

43:55 Speaker 11: so you can't use it, and then you're dropped, so

43:57 Speaker 11: you're like, basically you just lost to your life thing.

44:00 Speaker 10: You know, it's awful. But again, they're in the business

44:03 Speaker 10: of making money.

44:04 Speaker 11: So if they think that's how they're going to do it,

44:05 Speaker 11: that's what they're going to do, you know, And they

44:07 Speaker 11: use their status to sort of push people around that way.

44:10 Speaker 11: But you know, I if you can do it yourself,

44:14 Speaker 11: and that's why having a career while you're pursuing music

44:18 Speaker 11: is so important. If you can save some cash to

44:21 Speaker 11: do it yourself, you're one hundred percent putting yourself in

44:23 Speaker 11: a better position, you know, in my opinion, I agree.

44:26 Speaker 6: Uh, we have a question in the chat room. Grim

44:29 Speaker 6: Rock is asking does Molly do things with trademarks and

44:32 Speaker 6: word marks?

44:34 Speaker 10: Yes, I do all the time.

44:36 Speaker 6: Yeah, I can imagine, Yeah I would. I would think

44:40 Speaker 6: that that'd probably be a.

44:41 Speaker 11: It's important trade trademark your stuff, anything that you have

44:44 Speaker 11: That'stellextual property, get it protected.

44:47 Speaker 10: That's the bus advice I can offer.

44:49 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Molly.

44:53 Speaker 7: We are.

44:54 Speaker 6: The time goes quickly, we're already approaching the top of

44:57 Speaker 6: the hour, but I want to make sure I was

45:00 Speaker 6: thinking about when we closed the segment, closing out with this.

45:03 Speaker 6: The first song that we ever played of yours on

45:05 Speaker 6: this show is End of the World, and I still

45:08 Speaker 6: love that song. I was thinking I was thinking about

45:10 Speaker 6: ending with that one, but and I love Chained is great,

45:13 Speaker 6: absolutely great. But what what should people know about where

45:18 Speaker 6: to find you online? And where's the best place to

45:21 Speaker 6: go and where to keep up with everything that you're doing?

45:23 Speaker 6: And I assume changed of course is on all the

45:25 Speaker 6: streaming platforms and people can get access to that or

45:28 Speaker 6: probably all your music, But what should what should people

45:31 Speaker 6: know about in terms of how to find you online?

45:36 Speaker 11: Honestly, at Molly d Ago, I'm on every single thing.

45:40 Speaker 11: I think, Come find me, come say hi. Thank you

45:43 Speaker 11: so much for you know, listening to my music. Anyone

45:46 Speaker 11: who's listening, Matt, thank you so much for having me

45:48 Speaker 11: as usual. And a little funny thing about end of

45:51 Speaker 11: the World. So End of the World was really my

45:54 Speaker 11: first big song that I did on my own and

45:56 Speaker 11: the first time I ever got to hear it on

45:58 Speaker 11: the radio was actually right with you.

46:00 Speaker 10: So there's a video of me to it somewhere as well.

46:04 Speaker 11: So thank you so much for your support for people

46:07 Speaker 11: like me, for all the other artists that you support.

46:09 Speaker 10: I really can't.

46:10 Speaker 11: I can't say how much it helps us, and I'm

46:14 Speaker 11: always grateful every time that you pop up. So thank

46:16 Speaker 11: you so so much, and I am so happy that

46:20 Speaker 11: I got to chat with you on this release as well.

46:23 Speaker 6: Oh absolutely, Molly, thank you. I appreciate the kind words,

46:26 Speaker 6: and we are are very happy to help and and

46:29 Speaker 6: love what you're doing. Do you, by the way, any

46:32 Speaker 6: kind of an eta yet on when the next single

46:34 Speaker 6: might be or are you just focused on promoting Chained

46:36 Speaker 6: right now? Are you working over the summer?

46:40 Speaker 10: Hopefully over the summer.

46:41 Speaker 11: We're not show yeah, I mean, everything's always in progress,

46:44 Speaker 11: so I never really know, but hopefully the summer sometime

46:47 Speaker 11: a few more months and we'll have in something else.

46:49 Speaker 11: Some'm good and I'll have to stop in and see

46:51 Speaker 11: the new.

46:51 Speaker 10: The new digs.

46:53 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you got to see it. You got to

46:54 Speaker 6: see it. It's beautiful here all right, Molly Diago, we

46:57 Speaker 6: will let you go and we'll hit this track end

46:58 Speaker 6: of the world. But thank you, thank you so much,

47:00 Speaker 6: and uh yes, we will do this again soon.

47:03 Speaker 10: Awesome, Thanks guys, all right, thanks.

47:05 Speaker 6: Molly, take care, all right, the great Molly Diago and uh,

47:10 Speaker 6: if you are listening, Live on Saturday. We have Day

47:12 Speaker 6: to Attend coming up next. I gotta take a gulf

47:15 Speaker 6: of water here because uh, I'm still I'm still coughing

47:18 Speaker 6: from I was sick back in December, but so I apologize.

47:24 Speaker 6: But uh, oh my goodness, all right, Uh you know

47:29 Speaker 6: what it is, it's been this, this consistent dry air.

47:34 Speaker 6: It's just so it's been so cold out here.

47:36 Speaker 10: Uh.

47:37 Speaker 6: For people in other parts of the country or other

47:39 Speaker 6: parts of the world, I'll just tell you here in Manchester,

47:42 Speaker 6: New Hampshire, it has been cold and dry and it's

47:46 Speaker 6: making it very difficult to get past this cough. I

47:48 Speaker 6: know I'm not the only one dealing with it, but uh,

47:50 Speaker 6: that's for sure. But every every week I'm coughing a

47:53 Speaker 6: little bit less. So we're getting there. We're getting there.

47:57 Speaker 6: But if you are listening live on Saturday, Day to

47:59 Speaker 6: Attend is gonna be with us. In the second hour,

48:01 Speaker 6: I'm gonna go see if the guys are here. They're

48:03 Speaker 6: probably here. But we will end this segment with this track,

48:07 Speaker 6: another great song from Molly Diago. I love this. This

48:11 Speaker 6: is called end of the World.

48:19 Speaker 16: Is there any Mandy for evokenhot?

48:23 Speaker 2: That's the help?

48:24 Speaker 4: Please show me how so.

48:31 Speaker 7: Even like a snof left to plent you in it

48:35 Speaker 7: cause I love it.

48:37 Speaker 4: You don't see the skin that you cut. Take me

48:58 Speaker 4: until m.

49:04 Speaker 9: Not old at the night this fight, gamble back up until.

49:16 Speaker 4: Up with you crazy.

49:32 Speaker 6: I have to be to tell you what you mean

49:36 Speaker 6: to me when you ever let down.

49:39 Speaker 4: Book God, maybe it sounds rolled.

49:45 Speaker 11: Out baby as.

49:48 Speaker 4: A full love down that they were saying things not.

49:56 Speaker 9: Remn take me if it's kinda make inside be really

50:11 Speaker 9: to until.

50:13 Speaker 12: Me and.

50:16 Speaker 13: Bens if that today this side gamble back until no poo.

50:28 Speaker 4: He can.

50:31 Speaker 9: Be and tis time that is.

50:39 Speaker 4: There's no say from the pass.

50:45 Speaker 11: So we have.

50:48 Speaker 9: To not change, Jason, No.

50:54 Speaker 13: Not change.

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51:20 Speaker 9: got the bank.

51:22 Speaker 16: This side the remain you until the dams it's out

51:32 Speaker 16: of the bank. This side the gamble back until young

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