Matt Connarton Unleashed 2-28-26 hour 2

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3:35 Speaker 11: Oversid What a great track that is so catchy. That

3:57 Speaker 11: is called absolutely the band is moving on, and we've

4:00 Speaker 11: got Elijah Jenkins via Microsoft Teams. He's gonna talk with

4:04 Speaker 11: us in just a moment, or we're gonna talk with him.

4:06 Speaker 11: We're gonna talk with each other. Here we have entered

4:08 Speaker 11: our number two New Maarrow dose of Matt Connorton unleashed.

4:11 Speaker 11: Welcome everybody. We are live from the studios of w

4:14 Speaker 11: m n H ninety five point three FM and Glorious Manchester,

4:18 Speaker 11: New Hampshire. If you are listening live today is Saturday,

4:22 Speaker 11: February twenty eight, twenty twenty six. So nice to have

4:25 Speaker 11: you all with us. And let's go ahead and get

4:27 Speaker 11: this up. Ooh, I'm hearing an echo, but uh, Elijah,

4:31 Speaker 11: are you there?

4:32 Speaker 12: Hire?

4:33 Speaker 1: Are you there?

4:33 Speaker 10: Hi?

4:34 Speaker 2: Can you hear me?

4:35 Speaker 11: I can hear you. Yes. For some reason, I'm also

4:37 Speaker 11: hearing myself though. Hearing myself though. Do you have headphones in?

4:41 Speaker 2: Do you have headphones in? No? I don't, but I

4:43 Speaker 2: can't get some one if you If that would be helpful.

4:45 Speaker 11: Oh, definitely, yeah, because it's it's actually feeding back, actually

4:49 Speaker 11: feed Yeah. Okay, I'm gonna turn I'm gonna turn this

4:53 Speaker 11: down for a second. I'm gonna okay, so I've muted Elijah. Yeah,

4:56 Speaker 11: we just uh, I can tell you he didn't have

4:59 Speaker 11: headphones in because we're hearing we're hearing me, and then

5:01 Speaker 11: we're hearing me again, which is exciting in a way.

5:03 Speaker 11: But it's like I'm talking to myself. But no, that's okay.

5:07 Speaker 11: I don't want to talk to myself. I do want

5:09 Speaker 11: to talk to Elijah Jenkins. So I'm very excited about this.

5:11 Speaker 11: We had done a world radio premiere for him not

5:15 Speaker 11: too long ago, one of his solo releases, stay Tonight,

5:20 Speaker 11: I think it was. But uh, but I love this

5:22 Speaker 11: band moving on. So let's see. I'm gonna turn this

5:24 Speaker 11: volume back up on Elijah. We'll see if he's Elijah.

5:27 Speaker 11: Are you with us?

5:30 Speaker 1: Uh?

5:30 Speaker 11: Oh? Oh yes, oh yes, Oh no, it's still feeding back.

5:37 Speaker 11: It's still feeding back.

5:39 Speaker 2: Why I got my headphones to work?

5:42 Speaker 11: You can't get them to work. You can't get them

5:44 Speaker 11: to work.

5:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, give us a sack. Co o.

5:46 Speaker 11: Okay, oh no, no worries. I'll just beat you again

5:48 Speaker 11: for a minute. I'll beat you again for a minute. Okay,

5:51 Speaker 11: Elijah is muted. This has never happened before, actually, and

5:54 Speaker 11: all the time we've been using Microsoft teams. But but yeah,

5:58 Speaker 11: it sounds like it's coming out to speaker. Everything I'm

6:00 Speaker 11: saying is coming out of the speaker on his end,

6:02 Speaker 11: and that is giving us a bit of a trouble,

6:05 Speaker 11: a problem, A bit of a trouble, a bit of

6:08 Speaker 11: a problem. So it is live radio. It is what

6:12 Speaker 11: it is. We uh, we go forth, and I'm sure

6:15 Speaker 11: it will be fine in a moment. He's just got

6:17 Speaker 11: to get those headphones to work, all right. I'm gonna

6:19 Speaker 11: un mute Elijah again. This is exciting though it's kind

6:22 Speaker 11: of fun. You know, sometimes it's going to be challenged.

6:24 Speaker 11: Right when things go wrong, then we have to work

6:27 Speaker 11: through them. It can be uh, you know, because then

6:29 Speaker 11: at the other side of it, if you successfully troubleshoot

6:32 Speaker 11: the problem, you feel a sense of accomplishment. Right, let's see,

6:35 Speaker 11: let's see what we got here. Elijah, are you there?

6:38 Speaker 11: I think we're still connected. Yeah, we're still connected according

6:41 Speaker 11: to this. Can you hear me, Elijah? Do you hear me?

6:43 Speaker 1: Elijah?

6:44 Speaker 2: I can hear you.

6:45 Speaker 8: I can't get any of my headphones to work though

6:47 Speaker 8: I tried free pass.

6:49 Speaker 11: Oh yeah, because the problem is everything I say to

6:53 Speaker 11: you it's being it's we're hearing it.

6:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know, I know.

6:58 Speaker 11: I wonder I wonder if you can do it on

7:00 Speaker 11: your phone?

7:01 Speaker 2: If you can do it on your phone. I'm doing

7:03 Speaker 2: it on my phone.

7:04 Speaker 11: Oh you are doing it on your phone. Okay, you

7:05 Speaker 11: are doing it on your phone. Okay.

7:08 Speaker 2: Do you ever stoppen last time as well?

7:11 Speaker 11: What's adam?

7:11 Speaker 13: Sorry?

7:12 Speaker 11: Say that again?

7:12 Speaker 1: That's Adam?

7:13 Speaker 2: Sorry, say that again? Because they stoppened last time as well.

7:15 Speaker 11: Oh I don't even remember. Hey, for some reason, when

7:21 Speaker 11: I said that, I didn't hear it feedback. It's still

7:24 Speaker 11: there there. Do you have a do you have a

7:27 Speaker 11: computer available? I wonder if you tried it on a computer.

7:30 Speaker 11: I wonder if you tried it on a computer.

7:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just die.

7:33 Speaker 11: That so all right, oh beautiful, yes, yes, yes, yes,

7:37 Speaker 11: uh do that that? Actually? Can you email me the

7:43 Speaker 11: number and I'll call you on What's Up and I'll

7:45 Speaker 11: call you on WhatsApp?

7:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you that now.

7:48 Speaker 11: Okay, yeah, go ahead, and I'll play another song while

7:50 Speaker 11: you do that. Play another song while you do that. Okay,

7:53 Speaker 11: sounds good? All right, guys, thank you for being patient.

7:57 Speaker 11: We will uh we we have found a solution, and

8:00 Speaker 11: it's just gonna take a minute. So what I'm gonna

8:01 Speaker 11: do is I'm gonna play one of Elijah Jenkins's solo

8:05 Speaker 11: songs that he had sent us before. I'm gonna play

8:08 Speaker 11: this one. This is called take a Chance on Her.

8:11 Speaker 11: This is a really good song. So let's give this

8:13 Speaker 11: a spin and then I'm gonna connect with him on

8:16 Speaker 11: WhatsApp and then we will go from there. We should

8:19 Speaker 11: have just sund that to begin with. But but again,

8:21 Speaker 11: you live and you learn and you troubleshoot, all right,

8:24 Speaker 11: but hey, it gives us an excuse to play this song.

8:26 Speaker 11: Check this out.

8:28 Speaker 13: Because it don't remember I'm it all started. Just catch

8:36 Speaker 13: to get my word in case, take amad.

8:42 Speaker 5: So Katy drab in the street centered time, say chilta

8:50 Speaker 5: from the.

8:50 Speaker 3: Ring Welcome was born in Din.

8:57 Speaker 7: You know, I'll dream than all the boys every day.

9:04 Speaker 4: Watch your ringsize, baby, I'm homping.

9:07 Speaker 2: One day I'll get.

9:08 Speaker 13: The chance to ask him.

9:16 Speaker 5: Oh and you said to me, I reckon, you're a

9:20 Speaker 5: bit of a chancer. You last one day, babe, He's

9:26 Speaker 5: something good.

9:27 Speaker 2: Be last.

9:28 Speaker 5: Ever, you do not leave me here with all my

9:33 Speaker 5: questions un answer. I hear everybody talking when you didn't

9:40 Speaker 5: you to take a chance.

9:41 Speaker 4: On going through the train home. I can't seat you again?

9:49 Speaker 4: What myma high? Or is it too good to be true?

9:54 Speaker 5: Or am idress feeling high?

9:59 Speaker 4: Don't know?

10:00 Speaker 2: Don't what to say next?

10:01 Speaker 8: Don't wanna come.

10:03 Speaker 14: Across to shah, don't wanna look back anyantee, all our

10:09 Speaker 14: dreams slowly die, not dream better.

10:17 Speaker 4: Than all the boys every day?

10:22 Speaker 12: What you think?

10:23 Speaker 15: Size, baby, I'm umping one.

10:25 Speaker 2: Day I'll get the chances to us.

10:33 Speaker 4: Oh, and he said to me, I reckon, you're a

10:37 Speaker 4: thing of the chancellor.

10:40 Speaker 1: You last one day?

10:43 Speaker 5: Body be's umping when we last fever, you do not

10:48 Speaker 5: leave me here with all my quest don't answer. I

10:54 Speaker 5: hear everybody talking, would read you to take a.

10:58 Speaker 4: Chance on her. You know better than all the boys

11:22 Speaker 4: every day.

11:25 Speaker 5: I watch ringsize, baby, I'm hoping one day I'll get

11:28 Speaker 5: the chance to ask.

11:37 Speaker 4: Boy, he said to me, Hurricane, I'm made of the

11:41 Speaker 4: chances you lad, what day day's open? When we last raver,

11:50 Speaker 4: you did not leave me here.

11:52 Speaker 5: If all my questions or answered, I hear everybody talking

12:01 Speaker 5: to take a Johnson it.

12:07 Speaker 4: Say my chonce on.

12:20 Speaker 11: All right, let's see I think we have Elijah Jenkins

12:23 Speaker 11: with us via WhatsApp. Let's see how this goes. Elijah,

12:26 Speaker 11: are you there? I am, hey, oh, perfect, perfect, no feedback,

12:31 Speaker 11: Everything's awesome, wonderful, all right, all right, yeah, yeah, I

12:36 Speaker 11: knew we I knew we would work through it. So

12:38 Speaker 11: so welcome Elijah again. You know, I love your solo work.

12:41 Speaker 11: Obviously we just played take a Chance on Her. That

12:43 Speaker 11: is a great song. But I'm really curious to learn

12:45 Speaker 11: more about your band moving on. I love that song Absolutely.

12:50 Speaker 11: We did the American radio premiere for that recently, and

12:53 Speaker 11: I really enjoyed getting to play that again as well.

12:56 Speaker 11: And so tell us about the band. I'm curious about

13:00 Speaker 11: out how, you know, because obviously you know you have

13:02 Speaker 11: released songs as a solo artist, But why moving on?

13:07 Speaker 11: Why why moving to a band project with your material?

13:12 Speaker 8: So I've had songs like absolutely, which is obviously out now,

13:17 Speaker 8: and a couple of other things that we've got in

13:19 Speaker 8: the works for a while towards the end of the

13:22 Speaker 8: solo days, and I thought it was I thought the

13:25 Speaker 8: songs needed a band behind them, to be honest with you, Matt,

13:27 Speaker 8: I thought that was the way we were going to

13:30 Speaker 8: get the best potential out of them.

13:32 Speaker 2: So a little bit about the lads in the band.

13:33 Speaker 8: We've got Scott on drums, who I was in a

13:36 Speaker 8: former band with back when I was seventeen, and then

13:40 Speaker 8: we've got George on bass, who I have a mutual

13:44 Speaker 8: friends with, and then we've got Alfie on guitar, who

13:47 Speaker 8: was last to join us in mid October of last year.

13:51 Speaker 8: So you know, we're still only what we're in now.

13:54 Speaker 8: Late February was still only about four months into the

13:57 Speaker 8: journey as the band, but we're really happy with what

14:01 Speaker 8: we've done so far.

14:03 Speaker 11: How how hard was it to find the right people?

14:05 Speaker 11: I mean, did the chemistry sort of come together quickly?

14:07 Speaker 11: Because obviously when you're putting a band together to do

14:10 Speaker 11: material that you've already written and you know recorded in

14:14 Speaker 11: some form, I mean, is it obviously it's a priority

14:19 Speaker 11: to write to find the right people. Was that difficult

14:23 Speaker 11: or did this come together quickly?

14:26 Speaker 8: So with Scott, I knew Scott who was obviously the drummer,

14:30 Speaker 8: so I knew he was going to be.

14:33 Speaker 2: I knew we worked well together.

14:35 Speaker 8: With Georgia, we had mutual friends, so reached out to

14:38 Speaker 8: him on Instagram before Alfie came in we did have

14:42 Speaker 8: another guitarist, but we parted ways for a couple of

14:47 Speaker 8: different reasons, and George knew Alfie and me and George

14:53 Speaker 8: both reached out to Alfie. And then then first few

14:56 Speaker 8: rehearsals were so exciting because it was obviously just as

14:59 Speaker 8: well playing the songs and getting to know the songs,

15:02 Speaker 8: it was also getting to know each other on like

15:04 Speaker 8: a personal level as well, and to build that band chemistry,

15:08 Speaker 8: which is something we've gotten, something we're very very happy

15:11 Speaker 8: with and proud of as well.

15:12 Speaker 11: Sure sure, was that always kind of the goal when

15:16 Speaker 11: you were recording and releasing music as a solo artist.

15:18 Speaker 11: Did you always kind of have it in mind that

15:20 Speaker 11: you would like to transition that into a band or

15:22 Speaker 11: is that something that you sort of came to over time.

15:26 Speaker 8: It's come quite recently, to be honest about. I think

15:30 Speaker 8: definitely in my earlier solo days, when I had done

15:35 Speaker 8: Start Again and stuff like that, I couldn't really see

15:40 Speaker 8: it as a band. But then the more I started

15:43 Speaker 8: to write and the more I started to think about it,

15:48 Speaker 8: and when it was just me and my guitar, I

15:51 Speaker 8: could hear drums in the back of songs and guitar,

15:54 Speaker 8: solos and bass and obviously I can't play all that

15:57 Speaker 8: at once at the same time, so I thought, right,

16:00 Speaker 8: we need to get a band behind it, and yeah,

16:03 Speaker 8: that's what we've done and couldn't be happy with it either.

16:06 Speaker 11: Yeah, No, it sounds great. Absolutely. Now that's the only

16:09 Speaker 11: single you've released so far as a band to this point. Correct, Yes,

16:14 Speaker 11: that is correct, Okay, And what's what's kind of been

16:16 Speaker 11: the response over there? I mean, obviously, you know, we

16:18 Speaker 11: we played it here, so an American audience is getting

16:21 Speaker 11: exposure to it. But I mean do people when people

16:23 Speaker 11: hear it, do they do they recognize it's you right

16:26 Speaker 11: away with a band or how's how's that transition been

16:31 Speaker 11: in terms of interacting with your audience and and what's

16:34 Speaker 11: some of the feedback that you've gotten from them.

16:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been smooth, to be fair.

16:39 Speaker 8: Even when we've been working with a lot of the

16:42 Speaker 8: people here in the on the UK side of things

16:44 Speaker 8: as well, like gig promoters and stuff, they're really pleased

16:49 Speaker 8: to see it move into a band and it adds

16:51 Speaker 8: a lot more energy even to some of the solo

16:54 Speaker 8: stuff that had been doing as well. A lot of

16:57 Speaker 8: the solo songs that are out have now gone full

17:00 Speaker 8: band versions that were obviously playing live, so you know,

17:03 Speaker 8: we're still keeping the solo stuff in there, but we

17:06 Speaker 8: know we've transitioned it all now into a you know,

17:09 Speaker 8: the four piece band, and you know, the reception who

17:13 Speaker 8: it's been fantastic from obviously both sides of the pond,

17:17 Speaker 8: which we're really really happy about.

17:18 Speaker 11: Yeah, no, that's fantastic. So an obvious question, where does

17:23 Speaker 11: the name come from? Moving On?

17:25 Speaker 2: So the name moving On comes from when.

17:30 Speaker 8: Just previously mentioned we obviously had another guitarist who we

17:34 Speaker 8: separated ways with, and yeah, I created a WhatsApp group

17:40 Speaker 8: with myself, George and Scott.

17:44 Speaker 2: Called moving On.

17:45 Speaker 9: Oh.

17:45 Speaker 8: And it wasn't really thought of us like, oh, this

17:49 Speaker 8: will be the band name or anything.

17:52 Speaker 2: It was just like, oh, this is how we're going

17:54 Speaker 2: to move on from this situation.

17:56 Speaker 11: Yeah, and.

17:58 Speaker 8: It sort of stuck, and you know, then we added

18:02 Speaker 8: alphae in and we were like, right, we've got to

18:04 Speaker 8: think of a band name. And I was thinking, you

18:07 Speaker 8: know a while about what a lot of the songs reflect,

18:12 Speaker 8: and a lot of the songs reflect you know, nostalgia

18:15 Speaker 8: but also escapism and you know that wanting to be

18:18 Speaker 8: free just for moving on. Was the perfect fit really

18:23 Speaker 8: for what a lot of the songs are about that

18:25 Speaker 8: are obviously already out from the solo project, but a

18:29 Speaker 8: lot of what's.

18:29 Speaker 2: To come as well.

18:30 Speaker 11: Okay, okay, were you surprised that the name was available

18:34 Speaker 11: because you know, it almost seems like somebody else has

18:36 Speaker 11: already got to be using that name, right, but but

18:38 Speaker 11: apparently not, like you know, you you found something that

18:41 Speaker 11: I'm just curious, you know, I'm always fascinated by how artists,

18:44 Speaker 11: you know, decide to choose a name, and you know,

18:49 Speaker 11: it is almost surprising to me that that was available,

18:51 Speaker 11: but obviously it was. Was it a surprise to you.

18:54 Speaker 16: It was?

18:55 Speaker 2: I mean we had to drop the g Yeah, was

18:58 Speaker 2: initially on the what that group chat?

19:00 Speaker 8: But no, Yeah, obviously did the research around it, and

19:05 Speaker 8: when we found out it was available and you know,

19:09 Speaker 8: we could get it on Spotify and all that, it

19:12 Speaker 8: just all seemed to fall into place at the exact

19:14 Speaker 8: right moment. And you know, when we went into the

19:17 Speaker 8: studio to do Absolutely and then the other songs that

19:20 Speaker 8: we'll have coming out later this year, it's just all

19:23 Speaker 8: seemed to fit into place really well.

19:25 Speaker 2: And you know, We've got some cracking live shows coming up.

19:30 Speaker 8: We've got a headline show in Liverpool at the Jacaranda,

19:34 Speaker 8: which is a famous venue where the Beatles played when

19:37 Speaker 8: they were just starting out. And then we've got a

19:39 Speaker 8: couple of festivals and a few unannounced things that I

19:43 Speaker 8: can't spill the lid on yet, but as soon as

19:47 Speaker 8: soon as I can, you'll be hearing all about it.

19:50 Speaker 11: I'd standing festivals are great. You know I say this

19:52 Speaker 11: all the time. You might have even heard me say it.

19:54 Speaker 11: Festivals are The great thing about festivals is on two levels.

19:57 Speaker 11: On one, you know, obviously you're playing in front of

20:00 Speaker 11: a large crowd and you're going to get exposed or

20:03 Speaker 11: fans are going to get exposed to you, new fans

20:05 Speaker 11: perspectively who might not have been aware of you or

20:08 Speaker 11: have ever seen you live or heard your music before.

20:10 Speaker 11: So it's such a fantastic way to expand your fan base.

20:13 Speaker 11: But it's also an easy way to be able to network,

20:18 Speaker 11: you know, and meet other industry people and of course

20:21 Speaker 11: other artists as well. Just more broadly, but it's such

20:25 Speaker 11: a Festivals are just such an amazing opportunity for an

20:29 Speaker 11: artist like yourself to just really again not only expand

20:33 Speaker 11: your fan base, but expand yourself within the industry in

20:37 Speaker 11: terms of who you meet and the connections that you make,

20:39 Speaker 11: and you never know what might lead to something even

20:40 Speaker 11: more so, that's great. It's great that you're going to

20:43 Speaker 11: be doing a couple of those. I'm curious about the

20:45 Speaker 11: show at the jack Aranda. You know you mentioned the Beatles.

20:50 Speaker 11: How how do you feel about I mean, is it

20:53 Speaker 11: pressure to be playing a show like that or are

20:56 Speaker 11: you just excited? Or is there like especially where you're from,

21:00 Speaker 11: because you know, obviously you know there's the Beatles and

21:04 Speaker 11: the music scene there. I mean, I'm sure it's always

21:08 Speaker 11: really amazing and that there's so much great talent there.

21:10 Speaker 11: But i mean, do you feel any pressure with that

21:12 Speaker 11: or is it more just excitement or maybe you'll feel

21:14 Speaker 11: pressure on the day of the show. I don't know,

21:16 Speaker 11: but you how do you feel about that? How do

21:18 Speaker 11: you process that psychologically leading up to it?

21:22 Speaker 8: It's a bit of everything, to be honest with you, Matt,

21:24 Speaker 8: To be honest, obviously, yeah, you know there's pressure. When

21:27 Speaker 8: you first announced the show, you hope it sells well.

21:30 Speaker 8: You know, we're nearly sold out, which I'm absolutely delighted

21:34 Speaker 8: to say. You know that this song and the way

21:37 Speaker 8: the band's been received since we announced that it would

21:41 Speaker 8: be a band in late December and then when the

21:43 Speaker 8: show got announced, you know, we've had a really really

21:46 Speaker 8: great reception and response. We've played the Jacaranda BEFOREMT, which

21:51 Speaker 8: I think, oh, ease is a little bit of the pressure.

21:53 Speaker 8: We've played a support slot there just before Christmas. Yeah,

21:57 Speaker 8: so I think that eases the pressure. But you know,

21:59 Speaker 8: headline in it is a different kettle of fish, but

22:02 Speaker 8: I think it'll be that same emotion that's tied to

22:05 Speaker 8: both nerves but also just immense excitement ready to get

22:09 Speaker 8: out there and perform.

22:11 Speaker 11: That's great. That's great. By the way, I saw a

22:13 Speaker 11: couple of names of bands associated with you that you

22:16 Speaker 11: may have played shows with scruff of the neck and

22:20 Speaker 11: this feeling. Are there are those bands that you've been

22:23 Speaker 11: playing with.

22:24 Speaker 8: No, so they're the promoters and the booking agents that

22:29 Speaker 8: we use, and they have oh real champions of unsigned,

22:34 Speaker 8: unsigned acts across the UK.

22:37 Speaker 11: Oh fantastic. Okay, that's why those names came up. Yeah, No,

22:41 Speaker 11: that's great. I mean, how how would you how do

22:44 Speaker 11: you feel about the scene there currently? I mean like

22:47 Speaker 11: I said, I know, you know a lot of great

22:48 Speaker 11: bands have come out of that area, but uh, I mean,

22:51 Speaker 11: are there a lot of other bands that sound because

22:54 Speaker 11: I feel like your sound is unique. Obviously it's reflective

22:57 Speaker 11: of your solo work, but with a full band. But

23:02 Speaker 11: I mean, what's is it competitive?

23:04 Speaker 8: There?

23:04 Speaker 11: Is it more just a community thing where everybody kind

23:07 Speaker 11: of works together. How would you describe the scene where

23:09 Speaker 11: you are?

23:12 Speaker 8: It makes it both to be honest, Matt, you know,

23:13 Speaker 8: there's support and there's you know, willingness from you know,

23:18 Speaker 8: other bands to do well, and there's opportunities, you know,

23:21 Speaker 8: like when we've been looking for support slots, we've been

23:24 Speaker 8: offered it by different bands who are on the way

23:27 Speaker 8: up as well. But you know, it's it's a competitive scene,

23:31 Speaker 8: but there's no one, you know, dragging anyone down and

23:34 Speaker 8: wanting anyone to not do well just so they can

23:38 Speaker 8: do well.

23:39 Speaker 2: If that makes sense.

23:40 Speaker 8: That like, there's a lot of bands out there, but

23:42 Speaker 8: a lot of the bands are all very good and

23:44 Speaker 8: you know, everyone supports each other, which I think is fantastic.

23:48 Speaker 11: No, that is fantastic.

23:50 Speaker 7: You know.

23:50 Speaker 11: I always say success in life or or in a career,

23:54 Speaker 11: it's not a zero sum game. You know, it's not

23:56 Speaker 11: like just because somebody else is doing well that means

23:58 Speaker 11: you're automatically doing less well, you know so, and I

24:01 Speaker 11: think musicians generally understand that, which is good. What's kind

24:07 Speaker 11: of the forward trajectory for you guys as a band?

24:10 Speaker 11: Obviously you've got the single absolutely which is out. Is

24:14 Speaker 11: there a second single on the way. Do you plan

24:17 Speaker 11: to do an EP or an album? What's kind of

24:19 Speaker 11: the next year look like for Moving On?

24:23 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the next year for Moving On, Matt,

24:26 Speaker 8: it looks good. We've already got our second single recorded

24:29 Speaker 8: and produced. Oh so that that will lead into an

24:32 Speaker 8: EP okay, probably into the second half of this year,

24:37 Speaker 8: and then just getting out everywhere, Matt. You know, as

24:41 Speaker 8: I said before, we've got a couple of festivals lined up.

24:45 Speaker 8: We're going to be announcing a London show this weekend

24:48 Speaker 8: as well. We'll be announcing another headline in our hometown

24:53 Speaker 8: of Chester in the next few weeks. So it's it's

24:57 Speaker 8: going to be a really busy year for us, Matt,

24:59 Speaker 8: but it's we're really looking forward to. But yeah, I

25:02 Speaker 8: think in terms of obviously, you know, the second single

25:06 Speaker 8: will be out, give it to a three months. We'll

25:09 Speaker 8: let people enjoy, absolutely, but then we'll make sure that

25:13 Speaker 8: they're wanting the next one as well, and then we'll

25:16 Speaker 8: give the people what they want. But yeah, second half

25:19 Speaker 8: of this year and especially the summer is going to

25:22 Speaker 8: be a really great time for Moving On, with lots

25:25 Speaker 8: of gigs and a couple of festivals lined up as well.

25:28 Speaker 8: So yeah, we're all really excited about it.

25:31 Speaker 11: No, that's wonderful. Yeah, it's great to see that you're

25:33 Speaker 11: after such a great start with the band, and you know,

25:35 Speaker 11: and obviously with your solo work you built a strong foundation.

25:40 Speaker 11: But it's great to see the band doing well. And

25:42 Speaker 11: like I said, I love that for a single Absolutely,

25:44 Speaker 11: that's really good. Where should people go, Elijah, where's the

25:47 Speaker 11: best place to go online to keep up with everything

25:49 Speaker 11: that Moving On is doing or that Elijah Jenkins is doing?

25:52 Speaker 11: Where should people go?

25:54 Speaker 8: Yeah? So for the band, it's moving On Official without

25:59 Speaker 8: the g so m ov im on official for the

26:05 Speaker 8: Instagram and that's where to keep up with everything. And

26:08 Speaker 8: then it's the same on Spotify as well.

26:11 Speaker 11: Okay, okay, outstanding. I think in a moment we're gonna

26:15 Speaker 11: close with one of your again, one of your solo

26:17 Speaker 11: songs Start Again, which I think is appropriate in a

26:21 Speaker 11: sense because you know you moving on. Start Again. This

26:26 Speaker 11: is another one of the songs that we had played

26:28 Speaker 11: previously that I really love. And then I'll probably play

26:31 Speaker 11: absolutely again a little bit later in the show because

26:33 Speaker 11: we did play it to open our segment with you today.

26:35 Speaker 11: But Elijah again, congratulations on the band and the success

26:39 Speaker 11: that you're having. It's wonderful to see this transition in

26:42 Speaker 11: your career. And when the next single is ready, we

26:45 Speaker 11: would love to be again the first American radio station

26:48 Speaker 11: to play that, if you will do us the honor,

26:50 Speaker 11: and we love being able to kind of be your

26:52 Speaker 11: conduit into the American radio market because we're big fans

26:55 Speaker 11: of what you're doing.

26:58 Speaker 4: Yeah.

26:58 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Matt, I appreciate that. Nice one.

27:00 Speaker 11: Oh, definitely, definitely, So we're gonna hit that track. We

27:03 Speaker 11: will let you go. But Elijah Jenkins of Moving On,

27:07 Speaker 11: thank you again, my friend, and we will talk to

27:09 Speaker 11: you soon, I'm sure.

27:10 Speaker 2: Chase out, Thank you everyone, you got it.

27:12 Speaker 11: Bye bye? All right. That is Elijah Jenkins from the

27:16 Speaker 11: band Moving On. And this is another one of his

27:19 Speaker 11: solo songs. This is so good. I love this. This

27:22 Speaker 11: is called start again.

27:48 Speaker 4: Why don'tch.

27:53 Speaker 2: Lock on the doors? He happened months ago from the.

28:12 Speaker 4: Around, spanning days out.

28:21 Speaker 11: No, why wish.

28:25 Speaker 2: They could say me now, I.

28:34 Speaker 4: Know that it hurts, but you have to do your words.

28:45 Speaker 15: Can you say that you change you? Now it's me

28:50 Speaker 15: left him in the way. It's nothing day to say

28:58 Speaker 15: and I it's me sad.

29:01 Speaker 3: Here on the tree, ready to start again. There's nothing,

29:07 Speaker 3: it's the same, ready to start again. Got a fine

29:24 Speaker 3: to dream.

29:28 Speaker 4: Your lovers blue me away. You thought that things could

29:39 Speaker 4: work out this a way.

29:46 Speaker 2: There's no motics to us. What time give me now?

29:56 Speaker 7: So I want to scream and shall most into the

30:01 Speaker 7: worlds come down?

30:10 Speaker 3: Said all that it hurts, but you have to do

30:15 Speaker 3: your words.

30:20 Speaker 15: And you say that you change, Then it's me left

30:26 Speaker 15: Jim's way.

30:31 Speaker 2: There's nothing His days the same, and now.

30:35 Speaker 3: It's me side here on the tree, ready to started again.

30:42 Speaker 2: There's nothing.

30:43 Speaker 3: It's the same, ready to start again. He sign all

31:02 Speaker 3: that it hurts, But do you have to do yourways?

31:12 Speaker 3: And you say that you change who? Now it's me

31:17 Speaker 3: left Tim in the ray. There's no fings days the same,

31:26 Speaker 3: and no, it's me sad here on the tree. I'm

31:31 Speaker 3: ready to start Again. There's nothing, it's the same. I'm

31:37 Speaker 3: ready to start again.

31:41 Speaker 11: I really like that song a lot that is called

31:43 Speaker 11: start Again. That is Elijah Jenkins, another great artist from

31:47 Speaker 11: the UK, from the Liverpool area, and we just spoke

31:50 Speaker 11: with Elijah Jenkins a few minutes ago. If you missed it,

31:52 Speaker 11: of course you can always go back and listen to

31:54 Speaker 11: the podcast version of the show. We had some technical

31:57 Speaker 11: issues in the beginning there, but so Microsoft t eames

32:00 Speaker 11: was not working out for us in that case, so

32:01 Speaker 11: then we switched to WhatsApp and no problem. Always enjoy

32:05 Speaker 11: speaking with him and of course his band moving on

32:08 Speaker 11: their new single absolutely. We did the American radio premiere

32:11 Speaker 11: of that track right here on Matt Conderton Unleash here

32:14 Speaker 11: at WMNH ninety five point three FM and love love

32:17 Speaker 11: the new single. So we'll be talking to him of

32:20 Speaker 11: course again in the very near future, and it's great

32:22 Speaker 11: to see the transition that he's been able to make

32:24 Speaker 11: from his solo career into a full band. Let's see,

32:28 Speaker 11: I do want to we've got a little bit of

32:30 Speaker 11: music news. This particularly caught my eye, so we have

32:33 Speaker 11: we do have a few minutes before we before we

32:35 Speaker 11: hit the top of the Hour. So I wanted to

32:37 Speaker 11: talk about this because this well, in a sense it

32:42 Speaker 11: reflects or effects. I should say something that I've used.

32:50 Speaker 11: This is from Music Businessworldwide dot com artist representatives launch

32:56 Speaker 11: say No to Suno campaign now Sono if you're not familiar,

33:00 Speaker 11: it's an app that uses AI. You can actually create

33:04 Speaker 11: songs using AI. You just put in some simple prompts,

33:10 Speaker 11: tell it what you want, and it will create a

33:11 Speaker 11: song for you. Jenny and I it was over a

33:14 Speaker 11: year ago now, maybe a year and a half ago,

33:16 Speaker 11: the first time we ever used Suno. We did an

33:18 Speaker 11: experiment with it, kind of live on the air, just

33:21 Speaker 11: to see what would happen. It's very easy to use,

33:24 Speaker 11: and it creates some very convincing you know, like you

33:27 Speaker 11: wouldn't know just from listening to what it creates that

33:29 Speaker 11: it's AI generated necessarily. I've used it quite a bit.

33:33 Speaker 11: We've done some really fun things with it. But of

33:38 Speaker 11: course we talk about AI a lot on the show,

33:41 Speaker 11: and it's an effect on the music industry and how

33:43 Speaker 11: artists feel about it. And so now there is this

33:46 Speaker 11: say No to Suno campaign. Now. I have no intentions

33:50 Speaker 11: of involving myself in any way in the campaign because

33:53 Speaker 11: I actually like Suno and it would be hypocritical of

33:55 Speaker 11: me to do so, even though my position ultimately is

33:58 Speaker 11: and I think everyone knows it because of what I do,

34:01 Speaker 11: what I'm involved in, the people I know, et cetera,

34:03 Speaker 11: and the various, uh, you know, in terms of careers,

34:08 Speaker 11: the various things I've done. I will always at the

34:11 Speaker 11: end of the day, I will always always advocate on

34:13 Speaker 11: behalf of artists. That's what I care about the most.

34:16 Speaker 11: But that doesn't mean I won't use an AI app

34:19 Speaker 11: like Suno to create a fun, silly song, because I

34:23 Speaker 11: do use it for that quite a bit.

34:25 Speaker 6: So.

34:26 Speaker 11: Artists representatives, though, have launched the say No to Suno campaign,

34:30 Speaker 11: saying AI slop dilutes the royalty pools of legitimate artists

34:35 Speaker 11: from whose music this slop is derived. So let's take

34:39 Speaker 11: a look at this because again, and who knows, who knows?

34:42 Speaker 11: Maybe looking at this article, maybe there's information in here

34:45 Speaker 11: that will change my mind and make me decide to

34:48 Speaker 11: join the say No to Suno campaign. I doubt it,

34:52 Speaker 11: but let's see. So it says here again. This is

34:54 Speaker 11: from Music Businessworldwide dot com. A coalition of artist representatives

35:00 Speaker 11: published an open letter calling on the music community to

35:03 Speaker 11: reject AI music generator Suno. In an open letter titled

35:08 Speaker 11: say No to Suno, the Artist Reps described the company

35:12 Speaker 11: as a brazen smash and grab platform, accusing it of

35:16 Speaker 11: using unauthorized AI platform machinery trained on human artists. Work

35:22 Speaker 11: published Monday the twenty third, So this just happened this

35:25 Speaker 11: past week on the Music Technology Policy Blog. The letter

35:31 Speaker 11: was signed by figures including Ray Gubitz, executive director of

35:36 Speaker 11: the Music Artists Coalition, Helene Lindvall, songwriter and president of

35:41 Speaker 11: the European Composer and Songwriter Alliance, and Chris Castle of

35:45 Speaker 11: the Artist Rights Institute. Other signatories included artist David C. Lowry,

35:51 Speaker 11: artist and Artist Rights Alliance board member Tift Merritt, Blake Morgan,

35:57 Speaker 11: artist producer and president of VCR Music Group, and Abbey North,

35:59 Speaker 11: president of North Music Group. The letter arrives as Suno

36:04 Speaker 11: continues to face copyright infringement lawsuits from major music companies

36:10 Speaker 11: and rights organizations. And by the way, by the way

36:14 Speaker 11: I tell everybody, I say, if you're enjoying these apps

36:18 Speaker 11: like Suno or Udio is another one, a very popular

36:21 Speaker 11: AI music generator, if you enjoy these apps and use

36:24 Speaker 11: these apps, enjoy them while we have them, because the

36:27 Speaker 11: sharks are circling. Okay, there's all kinds of litigation and

36:32 Speaker 11: all kinds of stuff happening to try to get rid

36:34 Speaker 11: of these apps permanently, or well, probably not getting rid

36:38 Speaker 11: of anything permanently, and there's probably no getting rid of

36:40 Speaker 11: these apps period. But I'm just saying, don't be shocked

36:44 Speaker 11: if one day, all of a sudden, you can't use

36:46 Speaker 11: these anymore because they've been shut down. Okay, they've been

36:49 Speaker 11: bankrupted by lawsuits, whatever whatever may happen, but right now,

36:55 Speaker 11: this is what's going on. Okay, so so uh. The

37:00 Speaker 11: RIAA filed suit against both Suno and rival Udo in

37:05 Speaker 11: mid twenty twenty four, acting on behalf of all three majors,

37:09 Speaker 11: alleging mass infringement of copyright. Udeo has since reached settlements

37:15 Speaker 11: with both Universal Music Group and Warner Music Group, signing

37:19 Speaker 11: licensing agreements with each for a new AI music platform

37:23 Speaker 11: expected to launch this year interesting WMG. Warner Music Group

37:28 Speaker 11: also settled separately with Suno in November, but the AI

37:31 Speaker 11: company remains locked in legal battles with UMG and Sony

37:35 Speaker 11: Music Entertainment as well as European music rights holders, including

37:39 Speaker 11: Denmark's CODA and Germany's Gema Gema. I've not used either

37:44 Speaker 11: of those. In fact, I've never used Udio either. The

37:46 Speaker 11: only one I've used is Suno. Okay, it says here.

37:49 Speaker 11: The open letter took aim at the broader concept of

37:51 Speaker 11: AI in the music business, arguing that unauthorized generative AI

37:55 Speaker 11: platforms are fundamentally different from previous technological discus options in

38:00 Speaker 11: the music industry. And by the way, as we've discussed

38:03 Speaker 11: many times on the show, Jenny and I've talked about this,

38:05 Speaker 11: the music industry has had many technological disruptions over the years,

38:11 Speaker 11: you know, transitioning from vinyl and cassettes to CDs, napster.

38:17 Speaker 11: You know, when Napster first came in and file sharing

38:19 Speaker 11: became a thing, and all of a sudden, music was free.

38:22 Speaker 11: I was working for trans World Entertainment at the time,

38:26 Speaker 11: which owned Fye, Which and Strawberries and everything. When I

38:31 Speaker 11: was working for them as a store manager in a

38:33 Speaker 11: music store, and you know, we saw firsthand what was happening.

38:36 Speaker 11: All of a sudden, people aren't buying CDs because they're

38:38 Speaker 11: getting the music for free. And then there was all

38:39 Speaker 11: these debates about well, is file sharing stealing or are

38:45 Speaker 11: you just taking advantage of what's available and so forth.

38:48 Speaker 11: We won't get into all of that, but anyway, there's

38:49 Speaker 11: been many That's probably the single biggest technological disruption that's

38:55 Speaker 11: happened in the music industry is the Internet and the

38:57 Speaker 11: ability to access music easily and without paying for it.

39:02 Speaker 11: That's probably the biggest one, at least leading up to

39:06 Speaker 11: the advent of AI. Well, not the advent of it,

39:09 Speaker 11: because AI has been with us for a long time,

39:11 Speaker 11: but now with these apps, the advent of these apps

39:15 Speaker 11: like Pseudo and Udo. Okay, so it says here again,

39:19 Speaker 11: this is from Music Business Worldwide dot com. The open

39:22 Speaker 11: letter took aim Actually, well, I read this already, but

39:25 Speaker 11: this paragraph is worth reading again. The open letter took

39:28 Speaker 11: aim at the broader concept of AI and the music business,

39:31 Speaker 11: arguing that unauthorized generative AI platforms are fundamentally different from

39:35 Speaker 11: previous technological disruptions in the industry. The letter argued that

39:39 Speaker 11: the quote hijacking of the world's entire treasure trove of

39:44 Speaker 11: music floods platforms with AI slop and dilutes the royalty

39:50 Speaker 11: pools of legitimate artists from whose music the slop is

39:54 Speaker 11: derived unquote, right, Because when you create something using these apps,

40:00 Speaker 11: you're creating something that derives its content from all all

40:07 Speaker 11: the content that it has learned. You know, we call

40:11 Speaker 11: them large learning models. You know, it's taking that from

40:17 Speaker 11: everything else that's available that it's learned, that it's taken in. Now,

40:21 Speaker 11: when we talk about whether or not that's okay, my

40:25 Speaker 11: argument has always been if I am arguing on the

40:29 Speaker 11: side of not having a problem with any of this,

40:32 Speaker 11: which I really don't, because you can't hold back technology.

40:34 Speaker 11: It never works out. You have to adapt. You can't,

40:39 Speaker 11: but you can't stop it. So you have to adapt.

40:45 Speaker 11: When I let's say I write a song, and I've

40:49 Speaker 11: written songs, I'm a musician. If I write a song,

40:52 Speaker 11: anything that I write is somehow informed and influenced and

40:58 Speaker 11: therefore is a product of all the music that I've

41:00 Speaker 11: ever heard over the course of my life. Right, anything

41:04 Speaker 11: that I create is somehow derived from everything that I've heard.

41:09 Speaker 11: So how is that different from when a large learning

41:11 Speaker 11: model learns music and then creates something from that. Now,

41:16 Speaker 11: it is different in fundamental ways, But I'm just offering

41:19 Speaker 11: as a counter argument to you know, everyone who says,

41:21 Speaker 11: oh Ai, it's got to be stopped. We can't have

41:23 Speaker 11: AI generated music and so forth. Well, is it really

41:26 Speaker 11: different from when a human creates music? Now it is different. Again,

41:29 Speaker 11: I'm just playing Devil's advocate here, but that would be

41:32 Speaker 11: my counter argument to that. Well, if I write a

41:35 Speaker 11: song as a human being, my song that doesn't come

41:39 Speaker 11: out of thin air. My song is based on knowledge

41:42 Speaker 11: and information and experience and all of it from my

41:46 Speaker 11: own life and all the music that I've ever consumed

41:48 Speaker 11: over the course of my life. That's all I'm saying. Okay,

41:51 Speaker 11: getting back to the article, The letter arrives amid a

41:55 Speaker 11: growing volume of AI generated music hitting streaming platforms. Now,

41:58 Speaker 11: this is a problem that we've talked about on the

42:01 Speaker 11: show before too. Is all this AI generated music that

42:06 Speaker 11: ends up on Spotify for example, Well Spotify already, I

42:12 Speaker 11: mean I don't remember the numbers. We've talked about it

42:14 Speaker 11: before on the show. The amount of music that is upright,

42:17 Speaker 11: that is uploaded to Spotify globally on a daily basis

42:21 Speaker 11: is staggering. So then Spotify has to figure out, well

42:29 Speaker 11: what to get rid of because now that you factor

42:34 Speaker 11: in the ease with which you can create music using

42:37 Speaker 11: an app and then just upload it. Now, it's it's

42:44 Speaker 11: that problem of you know, you only have so much storage,

42:47 Speaker 11: and you have to keep creating more storage. And you

42:50 Speaker 11: know now that because people tend to think of it

42:52 Speaker 11: as well, it's just data. It doesn't take up any

42:56 Speaker 11: space physically, it's just data. But that's not true. That's true.

43:00 Speaker 11: Think about your own computer, your own devices, right, you

43:03 Speaker 11: only have so much memory. You know, I only have

43:05 Speaker 11: so much memory on my cell phone.

43:07 Speaker 6: Now.

43:07 Speaker 11: I keep my cell phone very clean because I don't

43:09 Speaker 11: want to getting clogged up with stuff I don't need.

43:11 Speaker 11: But I only have so much memory on it. So

43:15 Speaker 11: it's not like it's no different for Spotify, for example,

43:20 Speaker 11: they only have so much memory. Now they can create more,

43:26 Speaker 11: but there is an expense to that. And also the

43:30 Speaker 11: larger the catalog of music that is available on the platform,

43:35 Speaker 11: doesn't it kind of dilute everything that's already there. So

43:38 Speaker 11: this is a problem for Spotify. Not that I have

43:39 Speaker 11: any great sympathy for Spotify because they don't pay very much,

43:44 Speaker 11: but you know, in terms of royalties and so forth.

43:46 Speaker 11: But you know, but now they've got a whole new problem.

43:51 Speaker 11: This is why a few years ago, before before these

43:54 Speaker 11: apps came out, even a few years ago, Spotify was

43:57 Speaker 11: struggling with this. They were having to start to go

43:59 Speaker 11: through I mean, obviously they have bots that do it,

44:02 Speaker 11: but having to go through and delete low quality demo

44:06 Speaker 11: recordings that people were just uploading to Spotify, thus diluting

44:11 Speaker 11: what's on the platform. People uploading things that probably shouldn't

44:14 Speaker 11: have been on there to begin with, because they weren't

44:17 Speaker 11: of high enough quality to even be on the platform

44:20 Speaker 11: to begin with. So now they've got a whole new problem,

44:23 Speaker 11: let's see. According to getting back to the article, according

44:26 Speaker 11: to recent data from Deezer, approximately sixty thousand AI generated

44:30 Speaker 11: tracks are being uploaded to the Paris headquartered streaming service

44:33 Speaker 11: every day, with synthetic content now accounting for roughly thirty

44:40 Speaker 11: nine percent of all music delivered to the platform daily.

44:47 Speaker 11: Let's look at that again these numbers. According to recent

44:52 Speaker 11: data from Deezer, approximately sixty thousand, sixty thousand AI generated

44:59 Speaker 11: tracks every day are being uploaded. These are also revealed

45:08 Speaker 11: that up to eighty five percent of all streams on

45:12 Speaker 11: AI generated music on its platform were fraudulent in twenty

45:17 Speaker 11: twenty five, up from the seventy percent figure it reported

45:21 Speaker 11: in the prior year, those streams are demonetized and removed

45:26 Speaker 11: from the royalty pool. By comparison, streaming fraud across Caesers

45:29 Speaker 11: entire catalog accounted for eight percent of all streams in

45:32 Speaker 11: twenty twenty five. By the way, I'm not sure. I

45:36 Speaker 11: don't know what they mean by fraudulent. That is not

45:39 Speaker 11: clear to me. What do they mean by fraudulent? I'm

45:41 Speaker 11: not sure. Do they just mean anything that's created with

45:45 Speaker 11: an app or what do they mean? While AI generated

45:49 Speaker 11: music currently makes up only a small share of total

45:51 Speaker 11: streams on Deezer, up to three percent, the platform maintains

45:54 Speaker 11: that generating fake streams remains the primary purpose for uploading

45:57 Speaker 11: such content. The letter also weighed into the ongoing industry

46:01 Speaker 11: debate over so called wald gardens in AI music. Criticizing

46:05 Speaker 11: a recent LinkedIn post by Paul Sinclairs, who knows chief

46:08 Speaker 11: music officer and EXWMG executive, who argued that closed AI

46:14 Speaker 11: systems limit how people engage with music, Sinclair penned a

46:18 Speaker 11: lengthy post Grammy week LinkedIn memo entitled open Studios not

46:23 Speaker 11: wald Gardens, which took direct aim at the approach champion

46:27 Speaker 11: by Universal Music Group in its recent AI licensing agreements.

46:30 Speaker 11: UMG was the first major to settle its litigation with

46:33 Speaker 11: Suno rival Udio in October twenty twenty five, alongside a

46:37 Speaker 11: licensing deal for a new AI platform set to launch

46:40 Speaker 11: this year. The concept of a waled garden was introduced

46:44 Speaker 11: within that announcement, a model where AI generated music cannot

46:47 Speaker 11: be downloaded or distributed outside the platform. Udio disabled downloads,

46:52 Speaker 11: with users given a forty eight hour grace period to

46:54 Speaker 11: retrieve previously created tracks before the walls went up. By

46:58 Speaker 11: the way, this is the first time hearing about this

47:00 Speaker 11: the walled garden concept. Around two months after that deal

47:06 Speaker 11: was announced, in his annual memo to staff, UMG chairman

47:09 Speaker 11: and CEO, Sir Lucian Grange appeared to warn against firms

47:14 Speaker 11: quote validating business models that failed to respect artists work

47:17 Speaker 11: and creativity and promote the exponential growth of AI slop

47:21 Speaker 11: on streaming platforms. So, in other words, he's saying, don't

47:24 Speaker 11: do this, don't make deals with AI. You're making a

47:28 Speaker 11: deal with the devil. Effectively, you're getting in bed with

47:31 Speaker 11: something you don't want. You don't want to encourage this.

47:34 Speaker 11: If you start making deals with AI, you're going to

47:36 Speaker 11: encourage this. I guess a quick counter argument might be, well,

47:40 Speaker 11: if you look back to the previous seismic disruption in

47:43 Speaker 11: the music industry, if you go back to Napster, what

47:46 Speaker 11: was happening. Well, you know, the industry finally had to

47:49 Speaker 11: start making some deals and some compromises and working some

47:51 Speaker 11: stuff out. But what he's saying is, don't do that.

47:55 Speaker 11: Do not encourage it. Michael Nash, execus get vice president

48:00 Speaker 11: and Chief Digital Officer at UMG, explained the company's position

48:04 Speaker 11: in further detail during an appearance on Billboards on the

48:07 Speaker 11: Record podcast last month and outline the Waldgarden concept in

48:10 Speaker 11: stark terms. He said this quote. The concept of a

48:14 Speaker 11: wald garden is to set up through AI, a component

48:17 Speaker 11: of the service for deep interaction with the artists and

48:20 Speaker 11: the content, but not to create derivatives that you then

48:24 Speaker 11: take off of the platform and post all over your

48:26 Speaker 11: socials and post on Spotify and Amazon Music and Apple unquote.

48:30 Speaker 11: He argued that by doing so, you quote effectively use

48:33 Speaker 11: artists content and their brand to create derivative derivatives where

48:37 Speaker 11: you're going to compete with the artists on other platforms unquote,

48:41 Speaker 11: beyond Sinclair, who joined Sosuno in twenty twenty five. July

48:45 Speaker 11: twenty twenty five. The company has made other high profile

48:48 Speaker 11: hires from the music industry to support its efforts to

48:50 Speaker 11: build relationships with the sector, including former Merlin CEO Jimmy

48:56 Speaker 11: Sorry Jeremy Sirata as chief commercial Officer and former Spotify

49:00 Speaker 11: executive Sam Berger as Senior director of Artist Partnerships. In November,

49:04 Speaker 11: Suno closed a two hundred and fifty million dollars Series

49:08 Speaker 11: C funding round. I don't want to get in all that. Okay,

49:10 Speaker 11: never mind, don't care about that part. But that's the

49:13 Speaker 11: end of the article anyway. But there you go. So again,

49:16 Speaker 11: I will not be joining any such campaign. It would

49:18 Speaker 11: be a but critical of me to do so. But

49:20 Speaker 11: this is all about the say No to Suno campaign.

49:23 Speaker 11: So we are approaching the top of the hour. Thank

49:25 Speaker 11: you all for indulging me on that. I think it's

49:27 Speaker 11: fascinating how AI continues to be disruptive in the music industry.

49:31 Speaker 11: We're gonna play a song and then we're gonna take

49:33 Speaker 11: a quick commercial break. When we come back an hour three,

49:35 Speaker 11: Charles Richardson from The Charles Richardson Show will be join

49:38 Speaker 11: us joining us for you wrestling fans. Elimination Chamber is

49:43 Speaker 11: today this weekend, so we're gonna talk about that. But

49:47 Speaker 11: I want to play one more song from Peter, the

49:49 Speaker 11: photographer who joined us today in hour one of the show.

49:53 Speaker 11: This is another studio track from a few years ago.

49:56 Speaker 11: Great great song, Holding one twenty five. We're gonna play

49:59 Speaker 11: this show. Love to our amazing sponsors. And then an

50:01 Speaker 11: hour number three New Marrow Trace Charles Richardson joins us

50:05 Speaker 11: via how's he joining us? Oh? He's gonna join us

50:07 Speaker 11: via re stream? That's right. Uh so always love talking

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