Field Dispatch
Matt Connarton Unleashed 2-28-26 hour 2
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Speaker 11: Oversid What a great track that is so catchy. That
Speaker 11: is called absolutely the band is moving on, and we've
Speaker 11: got Elijah Jenkins via Microsoft Teams. He's gonna talk with
Speaker 11: us in just a moment, or we're gonna talk with him.
Speaker 11: We're gonna talk with each other. Here we have entered
Speaker 11: our number two New Maarrow dose of Matt Connorton unleashed.
Speaker 11: Welcome everybody. We are live from the studios of w
Speaker 11: m n H ninety five point three FM and Glorious Manchester,
Speaker 11: New Hampshire. If you are listening live today is Saturday,
Speaker 11: February twenty eight, twenty twenty six. So nice to have
Speaker 11: you all with us. And let's go ahead and get
Speaker 11: this up. Ooh, I'm hearing an echo, but uh, Elijah,
Speaker 11: are you there?
Speaker 12: Hire?
Speaker 1: Are you there?
Speaker 10: Hi?
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
Speaker 11: I can hear you. Yes. For some reason, I'm also
Speaker 11: hearing myself though. Hearing myself though. Do you have headphones in?
Speaker 2: Do you have headphones in? No? I don't, but I
Speaker 2: can't get some one if you If that would be helpful.
Speaker 11: Oh, definitely, yeah, because it's it's actually feeding back, actually
Speaker 11: feed Yeah. Okay, I'm gonna turn I'm gonna turn this
Speaker 11: down for a second. I'm gonna okay, so I've muted Elijah. Yeah,
Speaker 11: we just uh, I can tell you he didn't have
Speaker 11: headphones in because we're hearing we're hearing me, and then
Speaker 11: we're hearing me again, which is exciting in a way.
Speaker 11: But it's like I'm talking to myself. But no, that's okay.
Speaker 11: I don't want to talk to myself. I do want
Speaker 11: to talk to Elijah Jenkins. So I'm very excited about this.
Speaker 11: We had done a world radio premiere for him not
Speaker 11: too long ago, one of his solo releases, stay Tonight,
Speaker 11: I think it was. But uh, but I love this
Speaker 11: band moving on. So let's see. I'm gonna turn this
Speaker 11: volume back up on Elijah. We'll see if he's Elijah.
Speaker 11: Are you with us?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 11: Oh? Oh yes, oh yes, Oh no, it's still feeding back.
Speaker 11: It's still feeding back.
Speaker 2: Why I got my headphones to work?
Speaker 11: You can't get them to work. You can't get them
Speaker 11: to work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, give us a sack. Co o.
Speaker 11: Okay, oh no, no worries. I'll just beat you again
Speaker 11: for a minute. I'll beat you again for a minute. Okay,
Speaker 11: Elijah is muted. This has never happened before, actually, and
Speaker 11: all the time we've been using Microsoft teams. But but yeah,
Speaker 11: it sounds like it's coming out to speaker. Everything I'm
Speaker 11: saying is coming out of the speaker on his end,
Speaker 11: and that is giving us a bit of a trouble,
Speaker 11: a problem, A bit of a trouble, a bit of
Speaker 11: a problem. So it is live radio. It is what
Speaker 11: it is. We uh, we go forth, and I'm sure
Speaker 11: it will be fine in a moment. He's just got
Speaker 11: to get those headphones to work, all right. I'm gonna
Speaker 11: un mute Elijah again. This is exciting though it's kind
Speaker 11: of fun. You know, sometimes it's going to be challenged.
Speaker 11: Right when things go wrong, then we have to work
Speaker 11: through them. It can be uh, you know, because then
Speaker 11: at the other side of it, if you successfully troubleshoot
Speaker 11: the problem, you feel a sense of accomplishment. Right, let's see,
Speaker 11: let's see what we got here. Elijah, are you there?
Speaker 11: I think we're still connected. Yeah, we're still connected according
Speaker 11: to this. Can you hear me, Elijah? Do you hear me?
Speaker 1: Elijah?
Speaker 2: I can hear you.
Speaker 8: I can't get any of my headphones to work though
Speaker 8: I tried free pass.
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, because the problem is everything I say to
Speaker 11: you it's being it's we're hearing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 11: I wonder I wonder if you can do it on
Speaker 11: your phone?
Speaker 2: If you can do it on your phone. I'm doing
Speaker 2: it on my phone.
Speaker 11: Oh you are doing it on your phone. Okay, you
Speaker 11: are doing it on your phone. Okay.
Speaker 2: Do you ever stoppen last time as well?
Speaker 11: What's adam?
Speaker 13: Sorry?
Speaker 11: Say that again?
Speaker 1: That's Adam?
Speaker 2: Sorry, say that again? Because they stoppened last time as well.
Speaker 11: Oh I don't even remember. Hey, for some reason, when
Speaker 11: I said that, I didn't hear it feedback. It's still
Speaker 11: there there. Do you have a do you have a
Speaker 11: computer available? I wonder if you tried it on a computer.
Speaker 11: I wonder if you tried it on a computer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just die.
Speaker 11: That so all right, oh beautiful, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 11: uh do that that? Actually? Can you email me the
Speaker 11: number and I'll call you on What's Up and I'll
Speaker 11: call you on WhatsApp?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you that now.
Speaker 11: Okay, yeah, go ahead, and I'll play another song while
Speaker 11: you do that. Play another song while you do that. Okay,
Speaker 11: sounds good? All right, guys, thank you for being patient.
Speaker 11: We will uh we we have found a solution, and
Speaker 11: it's just gonna take a minute. So what I'm gonna
Speaker 11: do is I'm gonna play one of Elijah Jenkins's solo
Speaker 11: songs that he had sent us before. I'm gonna play
Speaker 11: this one. This is called take a Chance on Her.
Speaker 11: This is a really good song. So let's give this
Speaker 11: a spin and then I'm gonna connect with him on
Speaker 11: WhatsApp and then we will go from there. We should
Speaker 11: have just sund that to begin with. But but again,
Speaker 11: you live and you learn and you troubleshoot, all right,
Speaker 11: but hey, it gives us an excuse to play this song.
Speaker 11: Check this out.
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Speaker 5: hear everybody talking, would read you to take a.
Speaker 4: Chance on her. You know better than all the boys
Speaker 4: every day.
Speaker 5: I watch ringsize, baby, I'm hoping one day I'll get
Speaker 5: the chance to ask.
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Speaker 4: chances you lad, what day day's open? When we last raver,
Speaker 4: you did not leave me here.
Speaker 5: If all my questions or answered, I hear everybody talking
Speaker 5: to take a Johnson it.
Speaker 4: Say my chonce on.
Speaker 11: All right, let's see I think we have Elijah Jenkins
Speaker 11: with us via WhatsApp. Let's see how this goes. Elijah,
Speaker 11: are you there? I am, hey, oh, perfect, perfect, no feedback,
Speaker 11: Everything's awesome, wonderful, all right, all right, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 11: knew we I knew we would work through it. So
Speaker 11: so welcome Elijah again. You know, I love your solo work.
Speaker 11: Obviously we just played take a Chance on Her. That
Speaker 11: is a great song. But I'm really curious to learn
Speaker 11: more about your band moving on. I love that song Absolutely.
Speaker 11: We did the American radio premiere for that recently, and
Speaker 11: I really enjoyed getting to play that again as well.
Speaker 11: And so tell us about the band. I'm curious about
Speaker 11: out how, you know, because obviously you know you have
Speaker 11: released songs as a solo artist, But why moving on?
Speaker 11: Why why moving to a band project with your material?
Speaker 8: So I've had songs like absolutely, which is obviously out now,
Speaker 8: and a couple of other things that we've got in
Speaker 8: the works for a while towards the end of the
Speaker 8: solo days, and I thought it was I thought the
Speaker 8: songs needed a band behind them, to be honest with you, Matt,
Speaker 8: I thought that was the way we were going to
Speaker 8: get the best potential out of them.
Speaker 2: So a little bit about the lads in the band.
Speaker 8: We've got Scott on drums, who I was in a
Speaker 8: former band with back when I was seventeen, and then
Speaker 8: we've got George on bass, who I have a mutual
Speaker 8: friends with, and then we've got Alfie on guitar, who
Speaker 8: was last to join us in mid October of last year.
Speaker 8: So you know, we're still only what we're in now.
Speaker 8: Late February was still only about four months into the
Speaker 8: journey as the band, but we're really happy with what
Speaker 8: we've done so far.
Speaker 11: How how hard was it to find the right people?
Speaker 11: I mean, did the chemistry sort of come together quickly?
Speaker 11: Because obviously when you're putting a band together to do
Speaker 11: material that you've already written and you know recorded in
Speaker 11: some form, I mean, is it obviously it's a priority
Speaker 11: to write to find the right people. Was that difficult
Speaker 11: or did this come together quickly?
Speaker 8: So with Scott, I knew Scott who was obviously the drummer,
Speaker 8: so I knew he was going to be.
Speaker 2: I knew we worked well together.
Speaker 8: With Georgia, we had mutual friends, so reached out to
Speaker 8: him on Instagram before Alfie came in we did have
Speaker 8: another guitarist, but we parted ways for a couple of
Speaker 8: different reasons, and George knew Alfie and me and George
Speaker 8: both reached out to Alfie. And then then first few
Speaker 8: rehearsals were so exciting because it was obviously just as
Speaker 8: well playing the songs and getting to know the songs,
Speaker 8: it was also getting to know each other on like
Speaker 8: a personal level as well, and to build that band chemistry,
Speaker 8: which is something we've gotten, something we're very very happy
Speaker 8: with and proud of as well.
Speaker 11: Sure sure, was that always kind of the goal when
Speaker 11: you were recording and releasing music as a solo artist.
Speaker 11: Did you always kind of have it in mind that
Speaker 11: you would like to transition that into a band or
Speaker 11: is that something that you sort of came to over time.
Speaker 8: It's come quite recently, to be honest about. I think
Speaker 8: definitely in my earlier solo days, when I had done
Speaker 8: Start Again and stuff like that, I couldn't really see
Speaker 8: it as a band. But then the more I started
Speaker 8: to write and the more I started to think about it,
Speaker 8: and when it was just me and my guitar, I
Speaker 8: could hear drums in the back of songs and guitar,
Speaker 8: solos and bass and obviously I can't play all that
Speaker 8: at once at the same time, so I thought, right,
Speaker 8: we need to get a band behind it, and yeah,
Speaker 8: that's what we've done and couldn't be happy with it either.
Speaker 11: Yeah, No, it sounds great. Absolutely. Now that's the only
Speaker 11: single you've released so far as a band to this point. Correct, Yes,
Speaker 11: that is correct, Okay, And what's what's kind of been
Speaker 11: the response over there? I mean, obviously, you know, we
Speaker 11: we played it here, so an American audience is getting
Speaker 11: exposure to it. But I mean do people when people
Speaker 11: hear it, do they do they recognize it's you right
Speaker 11: away with a band or how's how's that transition been
Speaker 11: in terms of interacting with your audience and and what's
Speaker 11: some of the feedback that you've gotten from them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been smooth, to be fair.
Speaker 8: Even when we've been working with a lot of the
Speaker 8: people here in the on the UK side of things
Speaker 8: as well, like gig promoters and stuff, they're really pleased
Speaker 8: to see it move into a band and it adds
Speaker 8: a lot more energy even to some of the solo
Speaker 8: stuff that had been doing as well. A lot of
Speaker 8: the solo songs that are out have now gone full
Speaker 8: band versions that were obviously playing live, so you know,
Speaker 8: we're still keeping the solo stuff in there, but we
Speaker 8: know we've transitioned it all now into a you know,
Speaker 8: the four piece band, and you know, the reception who
Speaker 8: it's been fantastic from obviously both sides of the pond,
Speaker 8: which we're really really happy about.
Speaker 11: Yeah, no, that's fantastic. So an obvious question, where does
Speaker 11: the name come from? Moving On?
Speaker 2: So the name moving On comes from when.
Speaker 8: Just previously mentioned we obviously had another guitarist who we
Speaker 8: separated ways with, and yeah, I created a WhatsApp group
Speaker 8: with myself, George and Scott.
Speaker 2: Called moving On.
Speaker 9: Oh.
Speaker 8: And it wasn't really thought of us like, oh, this
Speaker 8: will be the band name or anything.
Speaker 2: It was just like, oh, this is how we're going
Speaker 2: to move on from this situation.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and.
Speaker 8: It sort of stuck, and you know, then we added
Speaker 8: alphae in and we were like, right, we've got to
Speaker 8: think of a band name. And I was thinking, you
Speaker 8: know a while about what a lot of the songs reflect,
Speaker 8: and a lot of the songs reflect you know, nostalgia
Speaker 8: but also escapism and you know that wanting to be
Speaker 8: free just for moving on. Was the perfect fit really
Speaker 8: for what a lot of the songs are about that
Speaker 8: are obviously already out from the solo project, but a
Speaker 8: lot of what's.
Speaker 2: To come as well.
Speaker 11: Okay, okay, were you surprised that the name was available
Speaker 11: because you know, it almost seems like somebody else has
Speaker 11: already got to be using that name, right, but but
Speaker 11: apparently not, like you know, you you found something that
Speaker 11: I'm just curious, you know, I'm always fascinated by how artists,
Speaker 11: you know, decide to choose a name, and you know,
Speaker 11: it is almost surprising to me that that was available,
Speaker 11: but obviously it was. Was it a surprise to you.
Speaker 16: It was?
Speaker 2: I mean we had to drop the g Yeah, was
Speaker 2: initially on the what that group chat?
Speaker 8: But no, Yeah, obviously did the research around it, and
Speaker 8: when we found out it was available and you know,
Speaker 8: we could get it on Spotify and all that, it
Speaker 8: just all seemed to fall into place at the exact
Speaker 8: right moment. And you know, when we went into the
Speaker 8: studio to do Absolutely and then the other songs that
Speaker 8: we'll have coming out later this year, it's just all
Speaker 8: seemed to fit into place really well.
Speaker 2: And you know, We've got some cracking live shows coming up.
Speaker 8: We've got a headline show in Liverpool at the Jacaranda,
Speaker 8: which is a famous venue where the Beatles played when
Speaker 8: they were just starting out. And then we've got a
Speaker 8: couple of festivals and a few unannounced things that I
Speaker 8: can't spill the lid on yet, but as soon as
Speaker 8: soon as I can, you'll be hearing all about it.
Speaker 11: I'd standing festivals are great. You know I say this
Speaker 11: all the time. You might have even heard me say it.
Speaker 11: Festivals are The great thing about festivals is on two levels.
Speaker 11: On one, you know, obviously you're playing in front of
Speaker 11: a large crowd and you're going to get exposed or
Speaker 11: fans are going to get exposed to you, new fans
Speaker 11: perspectively who might not have been aware of you or
Speaker 11: have ever seen you live or heard your music before.
Speaker 11: So it's such a fantastic way to expand your fan base.
Speaker 11: But it's also an easy way to be able to network,
Speaker 11: you know, and meet other industry people and of course
Speaker 11: other artists as well. Just more broadly, but it's such
Speaker 11: a Festivals are just such an amazing opportunity for an
Speaker 11: artist like yourself to just really again not only expand
Speaker 11: your fan base, but expand yourself within the industry in
Speaker 11: terms of who you meet and the connections that you make,
Speaker 11: and you never know what might lead to something even
Speaker 11: more so, that's great. It's great that you're going to
Speaker 11: be doing a couple of those. I'm curious about the
Speaker 11: show at the jack Aranda. You know you mentioned the Beatles.
Speaker 11: How how do you feel about I mean, is it
Speaker 11: pressure to be playing a show like that or are
Speaker 11: you just excited? Or is there like especially where you're from,
Speaker 11: because you know, obviously you know there's the Beatles and
Speaker 11: the music scene there. I mean, I'm sure it's always
Speaker 11: really amazing and that there's so much great talent there.
Speaker 11: But i mean, do you feel any pressure with that
Speaker 11: or is it more just excitement or maybe you'll feel
Speaker 11: pressure on the day of the show. I don't know,
Speaker 11: but you how do you feel about that? How do
Speaker 11: you process that psychologically leading up to it?
Speaker 8: It's a bit of everything, to be honest with you, Matt,
Speaker 8: To be honest, obviously, yeah, you know there's pressure. When
Speaker 8: you first announced the show, you hope it sells well.
Speaker 8: You know, we're nearly sold out, which I'm absolutely delighted
Speaker 8: to say. You know that this song and the way
Speaker 8: the band's been received since we announced that it would
Speaker 8: be a band in late December and then when the
Speaker 8: show got announced, you know, we've had a really really
Speaker 8: great reception and response. We've played the Jacaranda BEFOREMT, which
Speaker 8: I think, oh, ease is a little bit of the pressure.
Speaker 8: We've played a support slot there just before Christmas. Yeah,
Speaker 8: so I think that eases the pressure. But you know,
Speaker 8: headline in it is a different kettle of fish, but
Speaker 8: I think it'll be that same emotion that's tied to
Speaker 8: both nerves but also just immense excitement ready to get
Speaker 8: out there and perform.
Speaker 11: That's great. That's great. By the way, I saw a
Speaker 11: couple of names of bands associated with you that you
Speaker 11: may have played shows with scruff of the neck and
Speaker 11: this feeling. Are there are those bands that you've been
Speaker 11: playing with.
Speaker 8: No, so they're the promoters and the booking agents that
Speaker 8: we use, and they have oh real champions of unsigned,
Speaker 8: unsigned acts across the UK.
Speaker 11: Oh fantastic. Okay, that's why those names came up. Yeah, No,
Speaker 11: that's great. I mean, how how would you how do
Speaker 11: you feel about the scene there currently? I mean like
Speaker 11: I said, I know, you know a lot of great
Speaker 11: bands have come out of that area, but uh, I mean,
Speaker 11: are there a lot of other bands that sound because
Speaker 11: I feel like your sound is unique. Obviously it's reflective
Speaker 11: of your solo work, but with a full band. But
Speaker 11: I mean, what's is it competitive?
Speaker 8: There?
Speaker 11: Is it more just a community thing where everybody kind
Speaker 11: of works together. How would you describe the scene where
Speaker 11: you are?
Speaker 8: It makes it both to be honest, Matt, you know,
Speaker 8: there's support and there's you know, willingness from you know,
Speaker 8: other bands to do well, and there's opportunities, you know,
Speaker 8: like when we've been looking for support slots, we've been
Speaker 8: offered it by different bands who are on the way
Speaker 8: up as well. But you know, it's it's a competitive scene,
Speaker 8: but there's no one, you know, dragging anyone down and
Speaker 8: wanting anyone to not do well just so they can
Speaker 8: do well.
Speaker 2: If that makes sense.
Speaker 8: That like, there's a lot of bands out there, but
Speaker 8: a lot of the bands are all very good and
Speaker 8: you know, everyone supports each other, which I think is fantastic.
Speaker 11: No, that is fantastic.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 11: I always say success in life or or in a career,
Speaker 11: it's not a zero sum game. You know, it's not
Speaker 11: like just because somebody else is doing well that means
Speaker 11: you're automatically doing less well, you know so, and I
Speaker 11: think musicians generally understand that, which is good. What's kind
Speaker 11: of the forward trajectory for you guys as a band?
Speaker 11: Obviously you've got the single absolutely which is out. Is
Speaker 11: there a second single on the way. Do you plan
Speaker 11: to do an EP or an album? What's kind of
Speaker 11: the next year look like for Moving On?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the next year for Moving On, Matt,
Speaker 8: it looks good. We've already got our second single recorded
Speaker 8: and produced. Oh so that that will lead into an
Speaker 8: EP okay, probably into the second half of this year,
Speaker 8: and then just getting out everywhere, Matt. You know, as
Speaker 8: I said before, we've got a couple of festivals lined up.
Speaker 8: We're going to be announcing a London show this weekend
Speaker 8: as well. We'll be announcing another headline in our hometown
Speaker 8: of Chester in the next few weeks. So it's it's
Speaker 8: going to be a really busy year for us, Matt,
Speaker 8: but it's we're really looking forward to. But yeah, I
Speaker 8: think in terms of obviously, you know, the second single
Speaker 8: will be out, give it to a three months. We'll
Speaker 8: let people enjoy, absolutely, but then we'll make sure that
Speaker 8: they're wanting the next one as well, and then we'll
Speaker 8: give the people what they want. But yeah, second half
Speaker 8: of this year and especially the summer is going to
Speaker 8: be a really great time for Moving On, with lots
Speaker 8: of gigs and a couple of festivals lined up as well.
Speaker 8: So yeah, we're all really excited about it.
Speaker 11: No, that's wonderful. Yeah, it's great to see that you're
Speaker 11: after such a great start with the band, and you know,
Speaker 11: and obviously with your solo work you built a strong foundation.
Speaker 11: But it's great to see the band doing well. And
Speaker 11: like I said, I love that for a single Absolutely,
Speaker 11: that's really good. Where should people go, Elijah, where's the
Speaker 11: best place to go online to keep up with everything
Speaker 11: that Moving On is doing or that Elijah Jenkins is doing?
Speaker 11: Where should people go?
Speaker 8: Yeah? So for the band, it's moving On Official without
Speaker 8: the g so m ov im on official for the
Speaker 8: Instagram and that's where to keep up with everything. And
Speaker 8: then it's the same on Spotify as well.
Speaker 11: Okay, okay, outstanding. I think in a moment we're gonna
Speaker 11: close with one of your again, one of your solo
Speaker 11: songs Start Again, which I think is appropriate in a
Speaker 11: sense because you know you moving on. Start Again. This
Speaker 11: is another one of the songs that we had played
Speaker 11: previously that I really love. And then I'll probably play
Speaker 11: absolutely again a little bit later in the show because
Speaker 11: we did play it to open our segment with you today.
Speaker 11: But Elijah again, congratulations on the band and the success
Speaker 11: that you're having. It's wonderful to see this transition in
Speaker 11: your career. And when the next single is ready, we
Speaker 11: would love to be again the first American radio station
Speaker 11: to play that, if you will do us the honor,
Speaker 11: and we love being able to kind of be your
Speaker 11: conduit into the American radio market because we're big fans
Speaker 11: of what you're doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Matt, I appreciate that. Nice one.
Speaker 11: Oh, definitely, definitely, So we're gonna hit that track. We
Speaker 11: will let you go. But Elijah Jenkins of Moving On,
Speaker 11: thank you again, my friend, and we will talk to
Speaker 11: you soon, I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Chase out, Thank you everyone, you got it.
Speaker 11: Bye bye? All right. That is Elijah Jenkins from the
Speaker 11: band Moving On. And this is another one of his
Speaker 11: solo songs. This is so good. I love this. This
Speaker 11: is called start again.
Speaker 4: Why don'tch.
Speaker 2: Lock on the doors? He happened months ago from the.
Speaker 4: Around, spanning days out.
Speaker 11: No, why wish.
Speaker 2: They could say me now, I.
Speaker 4: Know that it hurts, but you have to do your words.
Speaker 15: Can you say that you change you? Now it's me
Speaker 15: left him in the way. It's nothing day to say
Speaker 15: and I it's me sad.
Speaker 3: Here on the tree, ready to start again. There's nothing,
Speaker 3: it's the same, ready to start again. Got a fine
Speaker 3: to dream.
Speaker 4: Your lovers blue me away. You thought that things could
Speaker 4: work out this a way.
Speaker 2: There's no motics to us. What time give me now?
Speaker 7: So I want to scream and shall most into the
Speaker 7: worlds come down?
Speaker 3: Said all that it hurts, but you have to do
Speaker 3: your words.
Speaker 15: And you say that you change, Then it's me left
Speaker 15: Jim's way.
Speaker 2: There's nothing His days the same, and now.
Speaker 3: It's me side here on the tree, ready to started again.
Speaker 2: There's nothing.
Speaker 3: It's the same, ready to start again. He sign all
Speaker 3: that it hurts, But do you have to do yourways?
Speaker 3: And you say that you change who? Now it's me
Speaker 3: left Tim in the ray. There's no fings days the same,
Speaker 3: and no, it's me sad here on the tree. I'm
Speaker 3: ready to start Again. There's nothing, it's the same. I'm
Speaker 3: ready to start again.
Speaker 11: I really like that song a lot that is called
Speaker 11: start Again. That is Elijah Jenkins, another great artist from
Speaker 11: the UK, from the Liverpool area, and we just spoke
Speaker 11: with Elijah Jenkins a few minutes ago. If you missed it,
Speaker 11: of course you can always go back and listen to
Speaker 11: the podcast version of the show. We had some technical
Speaker 11: issues in the beginning there, but so Microsoft t eames
Speaker 11: was not working out for us in that case, so
Speaker 11: then we switched to WhatsApp and no problem. Always enjoy
Speaker 11: speaking with him and of course his band moving on
Speaker 11: their new single absolutely. We did the American radio premiere
Speaker 11: of that track right here on Matt Conderton Unleash here
Speaker 11: at WMNH ninety five point three FM and love love
Speaker 11: the new single. So we'll be talking to him of
Speaker 11: course again in the very near future, and it's great
Speaker 11: to see the transition that he's been able to make
Speaker 11: from his solo career into a full band. Let's see,
Speaker 11: I do want to we've got a little bit of
Speaker 11: music news. This particularly caught my eye, so we have
Speaker 11: we do have a few minutes before we before we
Speaker 11: hit the top of the Hour. So I wanted to
Speaker 11: talk about this because this well, in a sense it
Speaker 11: reflects or effects. I should say something that I've used.
Speaker 11: This is from Music Businessworldwide dot com artist representatives launch
Speaker 11: say No to Suno campaign now Sono if you're not familiar,
Speaker 11: it's an app that uses AI. You can actually create
Speaker 11: songs using AI. You just put in some simple prompts,
Speaker 11: tell it what you want, and it will create a
Speaker 11: song for you. Jenny and I it was over a
Speaker 11: year ago now, maybe a year and a half ago,
Speaker 11: the first time we ever used Suno. We did an
Speaker 11: experiment with it, kind of live on the air, just
Speaker 11: to see what would happen. It's very easy to use,
Speaker 11: and it creates some very convincing you know, like you
Speaker 11: wouldn't know just from listening to what it creates that
Speaker 11: it's AI generated necessarily. I've used it quite a bit.
Speaker 11: We've done some really fun things with it. But of
Speaker 11: course we talk about AI a lot on the show,
Speaker 11: and it's an effect on the music industry and how
Speaker 11: artists feel about it. And so now there is this
Speaker 11: say No to Suno campaign. Now. I have no intentions
Speaker 11: of involving myself in any way in the campaign because
Speaker 11: I actually like Suno and it would be hypocritical of
Speaker 11: me to do so, even though my position ultimately is
Speaker 11: and I think everyone knows it because of what I do,
Speaker 11: what I'm involved in, the people I know, et cetera,
Speaker 11: and the various, uh, you know, in terms of careers,
Speaker 11: the various things I've done. I will always at the
Speaker 11: end of the day, I will always always advocate on
Speaker 11: behalf of artists. That's what I care about the most.
Speaker 11: But that doesn't mean I won't use an AI app
Speaker 11: like Suno to create a fun, silly song, because I
Speaker 11: do use it for that quite a bit.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 11: Artists representatives, though, have launched the say No to Suno campaign,
Speaker 11: saying AI slop dilutes the royalty pools of legitimate artists
Speaker 11: from whose music this slop is derived. So let's take
Speaker 11: a look at this because again, and who knows, who knows?
Speaker 11: Maybe looking at this article, maybe there's information in here
Speaker 11: that will change my mind and make me decide to
Speaker 11: join the say No to Suno campaign. I doubt it,
Speaker 11: but let's see. So it says here again. This is
Speaker 11: from Music Businessworldwide dot com. A coalition of artist representatives
Speaker 11: published an open letter calling on the music community to
Speaker 11: reject AI music generator Suno. In an open letter titled
Speaker 11: say No to Suno, the Artist Reps described the company
Speaker 11: as a brazen smash and grab platform, accusing it of
Speaker 11: using unauthorized AI platform machinery trained on human artists. Work
Speaker 11: published Monday the twenty third, So this just happened this
Speaker 11: past week on the Music Technology Policy Blog. The letter
Speaker 11: was signed by figures including Ray Gubitz, executive director of
Speaker 11: the Music Artists Coalition, Helene Lindvall, songwriter and president of
Speaker 11: the European Composer and Songwriter Alliance, and Chris Castle of
Speaker 11: the Artist Rights Institute. Other signatories included artist David C. Lowry,
Speaker 11: artist and Artist Rights Alliance board member Tift Merritt, Blake Morgan,
Speaker 11: artist producer and president of VCR Music Group, and Abbey North,
Speaker 11: president of North Music Group. The letter arrives as Suno
Speaker 11: continues to face copyright infringement lawsuits from major music companies
Speaker 11: and rights organizations. And by the way, by the way
Speaker 11: I tell everybody, I say, if you're enjoying these apps
Speaker 11: like Suno or Udio is another one, a very popular
Speaker 11: AI music generator, if you enjoy these apps and use
Speaker 11: these apps, enjoy them while we have them, because the
Speaker 11: sharks are circling. Okay, there's all kinds of litigation and
Speaker 11: all kinds of stuff happening to try to get rid
Speaker 11: of these apps permanently, or well, probably not getting rid
Speaker 11: of anything permanently, and there's probably no getting rid of
Speaker 11: these apps period. But I'm just saying, don't be shocked
Speaker 11: if one day, all of a sudden, you can't use
Speaker 11: these anymore because they've been shut down. Okay, they've been
Speaker 11: bankrupted by lawsuits, whatever whatever may happen, but right now,
Speaker 11: this is what's going on. Okay, so so uh. The
Speaker 11: RIAA filed suit against both Suno and rival Udo in
Speaker 11: mid twenty twenty four, acting on behalf of all three majors,
Speaker 11: alleging mass infringement of copyright. Udeo has since reached settlements
Speaker 11: with both Universal Music Group and Warner Music Group, signing
Speaker 11: licensing agreements with each for a new AI music platform
Speaker 11: expected to launch this year interesting WMG. Warner Music Group
Speaker 11: also settled separately with Suno in November, but the AI
Speaker 11: company remains locked in legal battles with UMG and Sony
Speaker 11: Music Entertainment as well as European music rights holders, including
Speaker 11: Denmark's CODA and Germany's Gema Gema. I've not used either
Speaker 11: of those. In fact, I've never used Udio either. The
Speaker 11: only one I've used is Suno. Okay, it says here.
Speaker 11: The open letter took aim at the broader concept of
Speaker 11: AI in the music business, arguing that unauthorized generative AI
Speaker 11: platforms are fundamentally different from previous technological discus options in
Speaker 11: the music industry. And by the way, as we've discussed
Speaker 11: many times on the show, Jenny and I've talked about this,
Speaker 11: the music industry has had many technological disruptions over the years,
Speaker 11: you know, transitioning from vinyl and cassettes to CDs, napster.
Speaker 11: You know, when Napster first came in and file sharing
Speaker 11: became a thing, and all of a sudden, music was free.
Speaker 11: I was working for trans World Entertainment at the time,
Speaker 11: which owned Fye, Which and Strawberries and everything. When I
Speaker 11: was working for them as a store manager in a
Speaker 11: music store, and you know, we saw firsthand what was happening.
Speaker 11: All of a sudden, people aren't buying CDs because they're
Speaker 11: getting the music for free. And then there was all
Speaker 11: these debates about well, is file sharing stealing or are
Speaker 11: you just taking advantage of what's available and so forth.
Speaker 11: We won't get into all of that, but anyway, there's
Speaker 11: been many That's probably the single biggest technological disruption that's
Speaker 11: happened in the music industry is the Internet and the
Speaker 11: ability to access music easily and without paying for it.
Speaker 11: That's probably the biggest one, at least leading up to
Speaker 11: the advent of AI. Well, not the advent of it,
Speaker 11: because AI has been with us for a long time,
Speaker 11: but now with these apps, the advent of these apps
Speaker 11: like Pseudo and Udo. Okay, so it says here again,
Speaker 11: this is from Music Business Worldwide dot com. The open
Speaker 11: letter took aim Actually, well, I read this already, but
Speaker 11: this paragraph is worth reading again. The open letter took
Speaker 11: aim at the broader concept of AI and the music business,
Speaker 11: arguing that unauthorized generative AI platforms are fundamentally different from
Speaker 11: previous technological disruptions in the industry. The letter argued that
Speaker 11: the quote hijacking of the world's entire treasure trove of
Speaker 11: music floods platforms with AI slop and dilutes the royalty
Speaker 11: pools of legitimate artists from whose music the slop is
Speaker 11: derived unquote, right, Because when you create something using these apps,
Speaker 11: you're creating something that derives its content from all all
Speaker 11: the content that it has learned. You know, we call
Speaker 11: them large learning models. You know, it's taking that from
Speaker 11: everything else that's available that it's learned, that it's taken in. Now,
Speaker 11: when we talk about whether or not that's okay, my
Speaker 11: argument has always been if I am arguing on the
Speaker 11: side of not having a problem with any of this,
Speaker 11: which I really don't, because you can't hold back technology.
Speaker 11: It never works out. You have to adapt. You can't,
Speaker 11: but you can't stop it. So you have to adapt.
Speaker 11: When I let's say I write a song, and I've
Speaker 11: written songs, I'm a musician. If I write a song,
Speaker 11: anything that I write is somehow informed and influenced and
Speaker 11: therefore is a product of all the music that I've
Speaker 11: ever heard over the course of my life. Right, anything
Speaker 11: that I create is somehow derived from everything that I've heard.
Speaker 11: So how is that different from when a large learning
Speaker 11: model learns music and then creates something from that. Now,
Speaker 11: it is different in fundamental ways, But I'm just offering
Speaker 11: as a counter argument to you know, everyone who says,
Speaker 11: oh Ai, it's got to be stopped. We can't have
Speaker 11: AI generated music and so forth. Well, is it really
Speaker 11: different from when a human creates music? Now it is different. Again,
Speaker 11: I'm just playing Devil's advocate here, but that would be
Speaker 11: my counter argument to that. Well, if I write a
Speaker 11: song as a human being, my song that doesn't come
Speaker 11: out of thin air. My song is based on knowledge
Speaker 11: and information and experience and all of it from my
Speaker 11: own life and all the music that I've ever consumed
Speaker 11: over the course of my life. That's all I'm saying. Okay,
Speaker 11: getting back to the article, The letter arrives amid a
Speaker 11: growing volume of AI generated music hitting streaming platforms. Now,
Speaker 11: this is a problem that we've talked about on the
Speaker 11: show before too. Is all this AI generated music that
Speaker 11: ends up on Spotify for example, Well Spotify already, I
Speaker 11: mean I don't remember the numbers. We've talked about it
Speaker 11: before on the show. The amount of music that is upright,
Speaker 11: that is uploaded to Spotify globally on a daily basis
Speaker 11: is staggering. So then Spotify has to figure out, well
Speaker 11: what to get rid of because now that you factor
Speaker 11: in the ease with which you can create music using
Speaker 11: an app and then just upload it. Now, it's it's
Speaker 11: that problem of you know, you only have so much storage,
Speaker 11: and you have to keep creating more storage. And you
Speaker 11: know now that because people tend to think of it
Speaker 11: as well, it's just data. It doesn't take up any
Speaker 11: space physically, it's just data. But that's not true. That's true.
Speaker 11: Think about your own computer, your own devices, right, you
Speaker 11: only have so much memory. You know, I only have
Speaker 11: so much memory on my cell phone.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 11: I keep my cell phone very clean because I don't
Speaker 11: want to getting clogged up with stuff I don't need.
Speaker 11: But I only have so much memory on it. So
Speaker 11: it's not like it's no different for Spotify, for example,
Speaker 11: they only have so much memory. Now they can create more,
Speaker 11: but there is an expense to that. And also the
Speaker 11: larger the catalog of music that is available on the platform,
Speaker 11: doesn't it kind of dilute everything that's already there. So
Speaker 11: this is a problem for Spotify. Not that I have
Speaker 11: any great sympathy for Spotify because they don't pay very much,
Speaker 11: but you know, in terms of royalties and so forth.
Speaker 11: But you know, but now they've got a whole new problem.
Speaker 11: This is why a few years ago, before before these
Speaker 11: apps came out, even a few years ago, Spotify was
Speaker 11: struggling with this. They were having to start to go
Speaker 11: through I mean, obviously they have bots that do it,
Speaker 11: but having to go through and delete low quality demo
Speaker 11: recordings that people were just uploading to Spotify, thus diluting
Speaker 11: what's on the platform. People uploading things that probably shouldn't
Speaker 11: have been on there to begin with, because they weren't
Speaker 11: of high enough quality to even be on the platform
Speaker 11: to begin with. So now they've got a whole new problem,
Speaker 11: let's see. According to getting back to the article, according
Speaker 11: to recent data from Deezer, approximately sixty thousand AI generated
Speaker 11: tracks are being uploaded to the Paris headquartered streaming service
Speaker 11: every day, with synthetic content now accounting for roughly thirty
Speaker 11: nine percent of all music delivered to the platform daily.
Speaker 11: Let's look at that again these numbers. According to recent
Speaker 11: data from Deezer, approximately sixty thousand, sixty thousand AI generated
Speaker 11: tracks every day are being uploaded. These are also revealed
Speaker 11: that up to eighty five percent of all streams on
Speaker 11: AI generated music on its platform were fraudulent in twenty
Speaker 11: twenty five, up from the seventy percent figure it reported
Speaker 11: in the prior year, those streams are demonetized and removed
Speaker 11: from the royalty pool. By comparison, streaming fraud across Caesers
Speaker 11: entire catalog accounted for eight percent of all streams in
Speaker 11: twenty twenty five. By the way, I'm not sure. I
Speaker 11: don't know what they mean by fraudulent. That is not
Speaker 11: clear to me. What do they mean by fraudulent? I'm
Speaker 11: not sure. Do they just mean anything that's created with
Speaker 11: an app or what do they mean? While AI generated
Speaker 11: music currently makes up only a small share of total
Speaker 11: streams on Deezer, up to three percent, the platform maintains
Speaker 11: that generating fake streams remains the primary purpose for uploading
Speaker 11: such content. The letter also weighed into the ongoing industry
Speaker 11: debate over so called wald gardens in AI music. Criticizing
Speaker 11: a recent LinkedIn post by Paul Sinclairs, who knows chief
Speaker 11: music officer and EXWMG executive, who argued that closed AI
Speaker 11: systems limit how people engage with music, Sinclair penned a
Speaker 11: lengthy post Grammy week LinkedIn memo entitled open Studios not
Speaker 11: wald Gardens, which took direct aim at the approach champion
Speaker 11: by Universal Music Group in its recent AI licensing agreements.
Speaker 11: UMG was the first major to settle its litigation with
Speaker 11: Suno rival Udio in October twenty twenty five, alongside a
Speaker 11: licensing deal for a new AI platform set to launch
Speaker 11: this year. The concept of a waled garden was introduced
Speaker 11: within that announcement, a model where AI generated music cannot
Speaker 11: be downloaded or distributed outside the platform. Udio disabled downloads,
Speaker 11: with users given a forty eight hour grace period to
Speaker 11: retrieve previously created tracks before the walls went up. By
Speaker 11: the way, this is the first time hearing about this
Speaker 11: the walled garden concept. Around two months after that deal
Speaker 11: was announced, in his annual memo to staff, UMG chairman
Speaker 11: and CEO, Sir Lucian Grange appeared to warn against firms
Speaker 11: quote validating business models that failed to respect artists work
Speaker 11: and creativity and promote the exponential growth of AI slop
Speaker 11: on streaming platforms. So, in other words, he's saying, don't
Speaker 11: do this, don't make deals with AI. You're making a
Speaker 11: deal with the devil. Effectively, you're getting in bed with
Speaker 11: something you don't want. You don't want to encourage this.
Speaker 11: If you start making deals with AI, you're going to
Speaker 11: encourage this. I guess a quick counter argument might be, well,
Speaker 11: if you look back to the previous seismic disruption in
Speaker 11: the music industry, if you go back to Napster, what
Speaker 11: was happening. Well, you know, the industry finally had to
Speaker 11: start making some deals and some compromises and working some
Speaker 11: stuff out. But what he's saying is, don't do that.
Speaker 11: Do not encourage it. Michael Nash, execus get vice president
Speaker 11: and Chief Digital Officer at UMG, explained the company's position
Speaker 11: in further detail during an appearance on Billboards on the
Speaker 11: Record podcast last month and outline the Waldgarden concept in
Speaker 11: stark terms. He said this quote. The concept of a
Speaker 11: wald garden is to set up through AI, a component
Speaker 11: of the service for deep interaction with the artists and
Speaker 11: the content, but not to create derivatives that you then
Speaker 11: take off of the platform and post all over your
Speaker 11: socials and post on Spotify and Amazon Music and Apple unquote.
Speaker 11: He argued that by doing so, you quote effectively use
Speaker 11: artists content and their brand to create derivative derivatives where
Speaker 11: you're going to compete with the artists on other platforms unquote,
Speaker 11: beyond Sinclair, who joined Sosuno in twenty twenty five. July
Speaker 11: twenty twenty five. The company has made other high profile
Speaker 11: hires from the music industry to support its efforts to
Speaker 11: build relationships with the sector, including former Merlin CEO Jimmy
Speaker 11: Sorry Jeremy Sirata as chief commercial Officer and former Spotify
Speaker 11: executive Sam Berger as Senior director of Artist Partnerships. In November,
Speaker 11: Suno closed a two hundred and fifty million dollars Series
Speaker 11: C funding round. I don't want to get in all that. Okay,
Speaker 11: never mind, don't care about that part. But that's the
Speaker 11: end of the article anyway. But there you go. So again,
Speaker 11: I will not be joining any such campaign. It would
Speaker 11: be a but critical of me to do so. But
Speaker 11: this is all about the say No to Suno campaign.
Speaker 11: So we are approaching the top of the hour. Thank
Speaker 11: you all for indulging me on that. I think it's
Speaker 11: fascinating how AI continues to be disruptive in the music industry.
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