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0:44 Speaker 2: live of course, today is Saturday, February twenty eight, twenty

0:48 Speaker 2: twenty six. Nice have you with us, And I'm gonna

0:50 Speaker 2: ahead and bring this up because we also have joining

0:52 Speaker 2: us online Charles Richardson from The Charles Richardson Show.

0:56 Speaker 3: Hello, Charles, greetings, and thanks for having me on this

1:00 Speaker 3: last day of February.

1:01 Speaker 2: Absolutely so.

1:03 Speaker 3: Uh.

1:03 Speaker 2: I know this doesn't affect you because you are in Florida,

1:06 Speaker 2: but I like to think of the last day of

1:08 Speaker 2: February as being the last day of winter. And I'll

1:11 Speaker 2: tell you why, because my something my dad taught me

1:13 Speaker 2: he likes to think. He liked to think of winter

1:16 Speaker 2: as really only being two months long, just January and February,

1:19 Speaker 2: because most of December is technically still fall, so then

1:22 Speaker 2: you have January and February to contend with, and by

1:24 Speaker 2: the time you get to March, it's technically still winter.

1:26 Speaker 2: But at that point, you know, whatever happens happens, you

1:29 Speaker 2: don't care because any day now it's all gonna warm

1:30 Speaker 2: up and everything's gonna melt and it's gonna be fine.

1:33 Speaker 2: So in my mind, tomorrow, March first, is the first

1:36 Speaker 2: day of spring. Okay, but where you are, it doesn't matter, right,

1:42 Speaker 2: it don't matter.

1:43 Speaker 3: It's spring except for a few fragments of really really

1:48 Speaker 3: chilly air. I'm not gonna say cold, because I am

1:51 Speaker 3: I am northern or by blood. I was the one

1:53 Speaker 3: that went out here in t shirts and shorts wets

1:55 Speaker 3: forty degrees, and I see the rest of the people

1:57 Speaker 3: bundle up like it's gonna be a blizzard soon. So

2:01 Speaker 3: it's people look at me weird. I look at them

2:03 Speaker 3: weird too. Like in the fifties, people are still bundling

2:07 Speaker 3: up with with layers and layers like, are you crazy?

2:10 Speaker 2: Right?

2:10 Speaker 3: Come on, it's it just doesn't bother me. Maybe also

2:14 Speaker 3: because I'm like three hundred pounds, so it's like.

2:17 Speaker 2: Me a little bit more. See, you don't get cold

2:19 Speaker 2: as easily as uh no, maybe other other folks.

2:23 Speaker 3: No, everybody else. Everybody else is turning on the heat Monday,

2:26 Speaker 3: and it's like thirty five degrees over here. I got

2:28 Speaker 3: the window open and I'm sleeping in my normal thing.

2:31 Speaker 3: So it's like I was, I was in heaven.

2:35 Speaker 2: How how cold is it in the winter there? Like that?

2:37 Speaker 2: Is it getting down to thirty five? Is that normal?

2:41 Speaker 4: Uh?

2:42 Speaker 3: In about so the cumlative days that it gets into

2:46 Speaker 3: the thirties, I have two hands to count the days. Really, yeah,

2:51 Speaker 3: it doesn't. It doesn't happen that often. And when it does,

2:55 Speaker 3: they have a thing called falling iguana warnings that are

2:58 Speaker 3: down here. Really, I kid you not. I'd use another word,

3:02 Speaker 3: but just that. That's how ridiculous it sounds. Is Literally,

3:07 Speaker 3: if it gets below forty degrees, the iguanas will literally freeze,

3:12 Speaker 3: frozen and fall from trees. They're not dead, Why're just

3:17 Speaker 3: frozen and they fall. And there's that's literally a thing

3:20 Speaker 3: down here.

3:21 Speaker 2: I'd never heard of this before.

3:23 Speaker 3: So when you go ahead and hear, well, have you

3:25 Speaker 3: never heard of it, then you probably not gonna hear it.

3:27 Speaker 2: Right.

3:28 Speaker 3: But every time you hear a frozen to guana warning

3:30 Speaker 3: down here in Florida, it's literally things that don't don't

3:33 Speaker 3: don't kill the iguanas or anything. They're still alive. They're

3:36 Speaker 3: just they're hibernating warms up again.

3:41 Speaker 2: I'll be damned. Oh that's wild. Yeah, I had no idea.

3:44 Speaker 2: I had no idea.

3:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy.

3:47 Speaker 2: Speaking of iguanas. By the way, I don't know how

3:49 Speaker 2: you feel about him. Jenny and I are both very

3:51 Speaker 2: big fans of mister Iguana.

3:54 Speaker 3: Yeah I heard. Listen to me, that was a wasted

4:00 Speaker 3: d rumblespot. Oh he didn't. He didn't do a whole lot.

4:03 Speaker 3: And he look like he looked like doing the clown

4:05 Speaker 3: to me. Oh, yes, he's very Listen, he's very athletic.

4:09 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say anything, but it's like, listen, give

4:12 Speaker 3: him bring him up to to to NXT limbs, see

4:16 Speaker 3: what he can do on that. You know. I know

4:17 Speaker 3: he's in triple A and everything. So okay, it's fine.

4:20 Speaker 3: He's gonna get his fair share. Of exposure. But to me,

4:24 Speaker 3: mister Gana, it sounds like a Vince McMahon gimmick name.

4:28 Speaker 3: It really does. I'm not gonna say, I'm not gonna

4:30 Speaker 3: say he's not talented or anything like that. Yeah, I'm

4:32 Speaker 3: just saying that the first exposure I have mister Guana. No,

4:37 Speaker 3: it's just it doesn't rub me the right way. It

4:40 Speaker 3: really doesn't.

4:41 Speaker 2: We love, we love mister Ivana.

4:43 Speaker 3: Apparently I have. I have very quick judgment to the name. Well,

4:48 Speaker 3: not not the man.

4:49 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what, I got a bunch of

4:51 Speaker 2: crap for it. On So on Friday nights, I'm a

4:54 Speaker 2: co host on Retrospectrum Radio with poly C and they

4:58 Speaker 2: they they they recently gave they've gave me a bunch

5:00 Speaker 2: of crap about my love for mister Iguana. But I

5:04 Speaker 2: think he's great. I say, put the belt on him,

5:06 Speaker 2: make him the champion.

5:07 Speaker 3: What do you think, Yeah, definitely put a belt on him,

5:10 Speaker 3: so you can go ahead and hold this tights up

5:12 Speaker 3: a little bit better. Belt.

5:16 Speaker 2: Well, part of why we're talking today, of course, aside

5:19 Speaker 2: from the fact that we always love to have you on,

5:21 Speaker 2: of course, and you are the host of the Charles

5:22 Speaker 2: richardson show. But today, speaking of shows, is Elimination Chamber. Now,

5:27 Speaker 2: I should tell you that Jenny and I have not

5:30 Speaker 2: yet watched SmackDown. And the reason we haven't watched SmackDown

5:34 Speaker 2: yet is because on Friday nights, I of course, am

5:38 Speaker 2: on Retrospectrum Radio, so we usually don't get to smack

5:40 Speaker 2: Down until Saturday, and then we won't even get to

5:44 Speaker 2: Elimination Chamber until either later this evening or possibly even tomorrow,

5:50 Speaker 2: so we may be a little bit behind. Now. I'm

5:53 Speaker 2: not putting any limitations on our conversation, of course, but

5:56 Speaker 2: I'm just offering this as a spoiler alert. Jenny doesn't spoilers,

6:01 Speaker 2: so if we're if we talk about SmackDown at all,

6:03 Speaker 2: which I assume we will, because that will affect the

6:05 Speaker 2: Elimination Chamber. You know, Jenny might want to tune out

6:08 Speaker 2: because I don't mind spoilers. Uh. But Jenny, of course, Uh,

6:12 Speaker 2: I know she doesn't want any, so this will give

6:15 Speaker 2: her a chance to, uh to shut this off if

6:17 Speaker 2: she's listening. But but I, but I I think something

6:20 Speaker 2: you got go ahead.

6:22 Speaker 3: You got you got three seconds, two seconds, one second,

6:26 Speaker 3: And I have just one word for you. It's three letters,

6:30 Speaker 3: and it's USO. And the reason why I say USO

6:34 Speaker 3: is because USO is out of the elimination chamber. Okay,

6:39 Speaker 3: thanks to the very first part of SmackDown. He got

6:44 Speaker 3: beaten down in an ambulance and the rumors were it

6:49 Speaker 3: was Drew McIntyre. Okay, So that opened up a spot

6:53 Speaker 3: for Jacob Fattou and a part of the vision which

7:00 Speaker 3: probably guess doing one that's not injured. It's Logan Paul

7:04 Speaker 3: actually should be Austin theory is not injured, but do

7:07 Speaker 3: we really count him right anyway, But so Logan and

7:10 Speaker 3: Paul and Fartu went ahead and got into a match,

7:13 Speaker 3: and the final elimination chamber of spot goes to Matt

7:16 Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you a guess.

7:18 Speaker 2: But Jacob Fatu No, oh, Logan.

7:21 Speaker 3: Paul because Dumac and Tyre has to.

7:25 Speaker 2: Wait what say that again?

7:28 Speaker 3: It is the final entrant in the elimination chamber. So

7:31 Speaker 3: Jay us So is out, Logan Paul is in.

7:34 Speaker 2: Just fyi, oh okay, gotcha? Gotcha. By the way, what

7:38 Speaker 2: do you think of Logan Paul? Because I know he's

7:41 Speaker 2: he's kind of divisive. I think he's incredible as a

7:44 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not I'm not so sure about some

7:47 Speaker 2: of the other things he's gotten involved in terms of

7:49 Speaker 2: business practices and so forth. But people call him a

7:52 Speaker 2: scammer of this and that. But I think as a

7:54 Speaker 2: professional wrestler, I think he's incredible.

7:57 Speaker 3: I think Logan Paul is actually mister Honor.

8:02 Speaker 2: He's too tall, too tall.

8:05 Speaker 3: I'm just saying he's very athletic. I mean, definitely, he

8:08 Speaker 3: has all the characteristics of being a WWE guy. He

8:12 Speaker 3: really does. And I'm not gonna call him a superstar

8:15 Speaker 3: or a wrestler because I guess they're neither, you know so,

8:18 Speaker 3: But Logan Paul's got everything. He's dazzled us in the ring.

8:22 Speaker 3: He really does. Now he's becoming a full time thing

8:26 Speaker 3: because I guess his YouTube channel making money anymore, I

8:29 Speaker 3: don't know. But you know, he's obviously been an influencer,

8:33 Speaker 3: which that's a thing nowadays. That's a that's a career

8:37 Speaker 3: choice along with only fans. That's a career choice now.

8:42 Speaker 3: And now he's turned into he's actually making himself full time,

8:47 Speaker 3: which I am very happy to see. That way, you

8:50 Speaker 3: can really see what he's like in the ring. Three

8:53 Speaker 3: hundred and sixty five days a year, and we'll see

8:57 Speaker 3: how he handles himself with his character. And I think

9:00 Speaker 3: put him in the vision is a good way to

9:03 Speaker 3: kind of mask any oopsies that he may do because

9:08 Speaker 3: he's with a group. And who better to mentor than

9:13 Speaker 3: Paul Hayman. Paul Hayman is done, CM Punk done, brock Lesner,

9:18 Speaker 3: he's done, Roman Reigns. All those careers basically took off

9:23 Speaker 3: with Paul Haymon involved. And you got to give the

9:26 Speaker 3: Walhrs his due. We really do so. I think Paul Logan, Paul,

9:31 Speaker 3: I think he's going to be excellent. As a matter

9:33 Speaker 3: of fact, I don't doubt that he wins tonight.

9:37 Speaker 2: Oh you think really? You think he's going to win

9:39 Speaker 2: the elimination chaper.

9:41 Speaker 3: I don't have a solid bet on that one, but

9:45 Speaker 3: he's I mean, he could be built up to it

9:48 Speaker 3: because I think a lot of I think a lot

9:51 Speaker 3: of the storytelling has tooken some turns because of injuries.

9:55 Speaker 3: I think it should have been Bronson Reid in that

9:58 Speaker 3: last spot, but right get injured.

10:02 Speaker 2: Triceptare Yeah, I believe it is triceptor Bceptar. Yeah.

10:08 Speaker 3: I know it has something to do with the tries,

10:10 Speaker 3: so I think he was supposed to be one in there,

10:12 Speaker 3: but I think they had they had to make a pivot,

10:14 Speaker 3: and that's why jay Usso he won, wasn't supposed to win.

10:17 Speaker 3: That's why he's beaten up and now and that that's

10:20 Speaker 3: the that's the swagger, that that's the swing they're doing.

10:24 Speaker 3: So I don't I wouldn't be surprised if Logan Paul

10:27 Speaker 3: is set to go ahead and uh and win, or

10:29 Speaker 3: at least be in the final two.

10:33 Speaker 2: I think it's very unlikely that he wins because they're

10:35 Speaker 2: not gonna want to send him to WrestleMania the main event, right,

10:38 Speaker 2: I mean not yet. Maybe next year eventually, but not yet.

10:43 Speaker 3: You know, no, No, I mean you take a look

10:46 Speaker 3: at if you take a look at the men's chamber,

10:48 Speaker 3: the chamber match, you got Cody Rhodes, Javon Evans, l

10:51 Speaker 3: A Night, Logan, Paul, Randy One, and Trick Williams. A

10:55 Speaker 3: lot of new lou faces. I like Trick, oh, yeah,

10:59 Speaker 3: Trick lot. I like Javon. Javon could do some amazing

11:05 Speaker 3: things in that in that chamber.

11:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jenny loves him too. Yeah, Evans incredible.

11:12 Speaker 3: I really hope and I know this is probably not

11:15 Speaker 3: gonna be true, but I really hope it is not Cody,

11:19 Speaker 3: and it's not Randy.

11:21 Speaker 2: Okay, that's somebody else.

11:23 Speaker 3: Take this rein somebody that somebody that's a face. If

11:28 Speaker 3: you take a look, really, all of these people are

11:30 Speaker 3: faces except Logan ball Well.

11:34 Speaker 2: Trick Williams is kinda I don't know what to think

11:38 Speaker 2: because he acts like a heel. Everything about him is

11:40 Speaker 2: a heel, but the fans love him.

11:43 Speaker 3: I'm saying, it's like, if you want to go, I

11:46 Speaker 3: think Trick is all about Trick. He doesn't care about

11:49 Speaker 3: anybody else's so I don't call him a face or

11:51 Speaker 3: a heel. I think he's just he's just for himself.

11:55 Speaker 3: So does that make him a heel? I don't think so,

11:57 Speaker 3: I think, but it definitely doesn't make it. You know,

12:00 Speaker 3: him being a crowd favorite, I think automatically puts him

12:04 Speaker 3: into that face category.

12:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, because the crowd explodes when his music hits. I mean,

12:10 Speaker 2: that's the bigg he gets the biggest. He gets a

12:13 Speaker 2: bigger face pop than most of the babyfaces. Even though

12:16 Speaker 2: he acts like a heel. He kind of reminds me

12:18 Speaker 2: of the rock, you know, the rock even when the

12:20 Speaker 2: Rock was a babyface early on, you know he was

12:22 Speaker 2: he was all about himself, you know, he wasn't the

12:25 Speaker 2: most empathetic babyface, and I think Trick Williams is probably

12:29 Speaker 2: a very similar to that. I certainly don't think it's

12:33 Speaker 2: going to be Randy Orton. I think it's most likely

12:36 Speaker 2: to be Cody Rhods, but they may also If it's

12:38 Speaker 2: not Cody, then that means they're going to use tonight's

12:43 Speaker 2: match to because they've been teasing it for so long,

12:46 Speaker 2: there's finally going to be some sort of a breakdown

12:48 Speaker 2: between Cody Roads and Randy Orton. You think so, I do.

12:52 Speaker 2: I think that they're They've been teasing that and teasing it,

12:55 Speaker 2: and I think I think this is going to be

12:57 Speaker 2: the moment.

12:58 Speaker 3: It's finally about time, right, It's about time to see

13:01 Speaker 3: heel Roads roseby and a heel or.

13:04 Speaker 2: Well or the Randy Orton heel turn. But the problem

13:07 Speaker 2: with turning Orton heel is he is so and he

13:11 Speaker 2: has been since he came back for the past couple

13:13 Speaker 2: of years. He is so over as a babyface, the

13:17 Speaker 2: way the fans sing his song, I've never seen him

13:20 Speaker 2: as over as a babyface, even though he's an excellent heel.

13:25 Speaker 2: So you think so okay, So you think tonight they

13:28 Speaker 2: pulled the trigger on the Cody Roads heel turn.

13:31 Speaker 3: I didn't say that. I was asking you if you

13:34 Speaker 3: think that's oh okay.

13:36 Speaker 2: I I don't know if they it's so there's so

13:41 Speaker 2: much risk in doing it. I want to see it.

13:43 Speaker 2: Jenny wants to see it too. She was saying she's

13:45 Speaker 2: ready for it. I think it would be great. I

13:48 Speaker 2: have long speculated because we don't know. They've never told

13:52 Speaker 2: us who actually is responsible for the attack on Jacob

13:55 Speaker 2: fat Too, and I've said all along, what if it's Cody,

14:00 Speaker 2: Hm hmm, what if it somehow is revealed that it

14:03 Speaker 2: was Cody.

14:04 Speaker 3: That's interesting. I think that's really too far off. But

14:07 Speaker 3: you know what, it would be the first time that

14:08 Speaker 3: wwe surprised me.

14:09 Speaker 2: They dropped a hint though they opened the door. Right

14:13 Speaker 2: after it happened, there was a conversation between Cody Rhads

14:16 Speaker 2: and Nick All This where Cody Rhodes said to Nick

14:19 Speaker 2: All this, by the way, I'm really sorry about what

14:21 Speaker 2: happened to Jacob. I like Jacob, it's terrible, And then

14:25 Speaker 2: he moved on to something else in their conversation. But

14:27 Speaker 2: I remember him saying that and thinking why did they

14:30 Speaker 2: have him go out of his way to say that

14:32 Speaker 2: and to say how much he likes Jacob Plot too? Why?

14:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, because because fat two cost Roads to

14:38 Speaker 3: Belt literally in that that match. So they they've had

14:42 Speaker 3: some beef. But hey, you know what that that's that

14:46 Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense too. If they will go

14:48 Speaker 3: ahead and pull the trigger, all right, I wouldn't be

14:50 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be too shocked on that. Yeah, I don't

14:52 Speaker 3: think why would it make Roads a bad guy? It

14:54 Speaker 3: was just one guy that he has a thing against it.

14:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, but if it turned out he's the one responsible

14:59 Speaker 2: for the attack, I mean, that's a heel thing to do.

15:02 Speaker 2: That's that you know, a baby face wouldn't do that.

15:04 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's true. That's true.

15:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is but it is risky there, there's

15:08 Speaker 2: there's always a risk to it. But but the shock

15:10 Speaker 2: of it would be a lot of fun.

15:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you can. If you're gonna make a heel turn, listen,

15:15 Speaker 3: don't be like, don't do to Cody like you did

15:18 Speaker 3: John Cena and just like eh merchandise is up. You're

15:21 Speaker 3: just gonna keep you face and faith. No turn him,

15:25 Speaker 3: turn them, if you're gonna do it, turn them.

15:27 Speaker 2: Yeah.

15:28 Speaker 3: I mean Cody even said he came out and said

15:30 Speaker 3: the next contract to gets to w W is gonna

15:32 Speaker 3: be his last. Yeah, so you know what, let's just

15:34 Speaker 3: do it, just do it. Yeah, but what's it really

15:38 Speaker 3: gonna hurt? You know? Orton's on the end of his career,

15:40 Speaker 3: Cody's on the end of his career. Man love to

15:44 Speaker 3: see La Night win. I would love to see ol

15:47 Speaker 3: a night. I think he's overdue a push for so long.

15:51 Speaker 3: I love to see him again.

15:53 Speaker 2: Drew, I would love to see it too, And I

15:55 Speaker 2: think most of the fans would love to see it.

15:57 Speaker 2: I just don't think they're going to. Do you watch well?

16:01 Speaker 2: So let me ask you this because it's has to

16:04 Speaker 2: do with my thought on La Night. Do you think

16:06 Speaker 2: they lost confidence in him? Because I assumed did you

16:08 Speaker 2: watch WWE? Unreal?

16:11 Speaker 3: No, he didn't.

16:12 Speaker 2: Oh you haven't seen it.

16:13 Speaker 3: Oh, I've seen. I've seen two episodes of the first season.

16:17 Speaker 3: I am so behind on that. Oh.

16:19 Speaker 2: Jenny and I ended up binge watching it because it's

16:21 Speaker 2: so good and I know a lot of it. There's

16:23 Speaker 2: a lot of negativity negativity online toward that show, and

16:26 Speaker 2: I don't quite understand it. I think it's I think

16:28 Speaker 2: it's fantastic. I know, I know a lot of the

16:30 Speaker 2: podcasters don't like it. James Romero hates it. I think

16:33 Speaker 2: it's really good. But but there's a moment you might

16:37 Speaker 2: be aware of this. There's there is a moment where

16:39 Speaker 2: because when they did money in the Bank, La Knight

16:42 Speaker 2: apparently made a mistake and it screwed up the ending

16:46 Speaker 2: of the match. And there's a scene in Unreal where

16:50 Speaker 2: Triple H is kind of telling l A. Knight, look,

16:52 Speaker 2: you really mess this up. Here's what was supposed to happen.

16:54 Speaker 2: I don't know what you were thinking, that kind of thing.

16:57 Speaker 2: And so it has a lot of people speculating that

16:59 Speaker 2: they may have lost confidence in l. A. Night and

17:02 Speaker 2: that's why he remains. He's always like on the edge

17:06 Speaker 2: of being in main events, but he never quite quite

17:08 Speaker 2: gets that push all the way to the top. And uh,

17:11 Speaker 2: and and that the speculation that that might be why

17:14 Speaker 2: Eric Pilcher and Austin and I we talked about it

17:16 Speaker 2: on toff Bumps recently. You know that that may be

17:20 Speaker 2: the reason.

17:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of politics to go on behind

17:23 Speaker 3: the scenes too, whether you get a push or not.

17:25 Speaker 3: And you know, my my question has always been listening.

17:28 Speaker 3: He's over with the crowd. You know, we enjoy I

17:30 Speaker 3: enjoy his matches. I think he has a love of athleticism.

17:33 Speaker 3: He's not a typical three moves of doom type of person.

17:37 Speaker 3: You know, he's got he's got a good finisher. Why

17:41 Speaker 3: are we not pushing him?

17:42 Speaker 2: What?

17:42 Speaker 3: What? What's the what's the hold up? What's going on?

17:45 Speaker 3: And stuff like that behind the scenes when you're not

17:48 Speaker 3: cooperating with what was supposed to be planned, and they're

17:51 Speaker 3: kind of like saying, you know what the deal is, Yeah,

17:54 Speaker 3: that can hold you back, That really can't so uh

17:57 Speaker 3: and and to backtrack, listen, an unreal is for the

18:01 Speaker 3: person that kind of wants to see what's going on.

18:05 Speaker 3: Paul Haymon's come out and says he absolutely hates it.

18:08 Speaker 2: He says it right on the show.

18:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, he hates it because it's literally you're pulling

18:13 Speaker 3: the curtain way too far back and that's supposed to

18:15 Speaker 3: be kept sacred, right and steampunk kind of feels the

18:18 Speaker 3: same way a little bit. He said he he refused

18:21 Speaker 3: to do a couple of things that they asked him

18:22 Speaker 3: to do or he asked him to cut it out

18:24 Speaker 3: or something like that. So yeah, it is really one

18:28 Speaker 3: of those things where it it polarizes the industry a

18:32 Speaker 3: little bit because it's like, you know, a lot of

18:35 Speaker 3: people are against it and listen to what's kept behind

18:39 Speaker 3: that curtain, should be kept behind that curtain?

18:41 Speaker 2: M hm.

18:44 Speaker 3: Out.

18:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love all that stuff even you know, even

18:46 Speaker 2: if but see, I would enjoy that show even if

18:49 Speaker 2: it didn't pull back the curtain as much. But it

18:52 Speaker 2: just kind of showed you behind the scenes how things work,

18:55 Speaker 2: you know, and gorilla position and everything. You know, even

18:58 Speaker 2: if they even if they didn't give anything away really,

19:00 Speaker 2: even if it was a little bit more k fame,

19:02 Speaker 2: but still it showed you kind of kind of just

19:05 Speaker 2: how things work behind the scenes. I would still even

19:08 Speaker 2: find that really fascinating, just because I love that kind

19:10 Speaker 2: of stuff anyway. I always have.

19:12 Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, who do you think of when you

19:15 Speaker 3: see Drew McIntyre on camera? You think of him as

19:20 Speaker 3: you think of him as not a nice guy, you

19:24 Speaker 3: and now you take a look behind the scenes and

19:27 Speaker 3: it's like, oh, well, you know, he's he's he's a

19:31 Speaker 3: loving husband, father or whatever they whatever he is, you know,

19:35 Speaker 3: and you know he's actually gotta got a human side

19:37 Speaker 3: to him, right, you know, say you know the same

19:40 Speaker 3: thing with Solo Socoa, so those you know, just he's

19:43 Speaker 3: he's a he's a bad guy, but you know, behind

19:45 Speaker 3: the scenes, you know he's got a family, just like

19:48 Speaker 3: everybody else does, you know, And and and that's that's

19:51 Speaker 3: the way, you know, you need to take a look

19:55 Speaker 3: at I mean, a lot of people, they they want

19:57 Speaker 3: just the image on TV, so they can generally hate

20:01 Speaker 3: somebody or like somebody based on what they see on

20:04 Speaker 3: the camera. But I think you know, there's a lot

20:07 Speaker 3: more people that know that, listen, this is a character. Yeah,

20:10 Speaker 3: it's not really them, right, but you know, but what

20:17 Speaker 3: does that do to the character?

20:18 Speaker 4: Now?

20:19 Speaker 3: Now it's kind of like a little bit clouded. Do

20:21 Speaker 3: I cheer for him? Or do I do I hate him?

20:24 Speaker 3: Because you know who they are behind the scenes and

20:27 Speaker 3: how they are as a real person, but they're playing

20:30 Speaker 3: a bad guy.

20:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to me, it doesn't bother me, It

20:34 Speaker 2: never has. I compartmentalize it pretty easily because I just

20:37 Speaker 2: look at it the same way I look at anything else.

20:39 Speaker 2: You know, they're they're they're actors, so so I you know,

20:43 Speaker 2: I'm not the slightest bit bothered by seeing, you know,

20:46 Speaker 2: somebody like Drew McIntyre who's supposed to be a bad guy.

20:49 Speaker 2: You know, when I when I see him outside in

20:51 Speaker 2: a different context and it turns out he's actually a

20:53 Speaker 2: nice guy, it's like, well, yeah, I actually kind of

20:55 Speaker 2: assumed that already. I assume he's not the character that

20:58 Speaker 2: he plays on television, just like with anything else. So

21:01 Speaker 2: it's it's never bothered me.

21:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. You still have you still have these

21:06 Speaker 3: simple minded people were just getting into wrestling thinking, oh

21:10 Speaker 3: my god, well, why are they allowed to do that?

21:12 Speaker 2: Called the cop yees o. Relax it's a show. Yes, yes,

21:19 Speaker 2: oh my word.

21:20 Speaker 3: They said wrestling was fake. This looks so real. It's

21:23 Speaker 3: fake because the outcomes are predetermined.

21:26 Speaker 2: It is weird to me, though, that in the year

21:28 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, because as a wrestling fan, I've been

21:32 Speaker 2: dealing with this my whole life. And I'm sure you

21:34 Speaker 2: have two as every wrestling fan has. Even today, I'll

21:38 Speaker 2: have a conversation with someone who doesn't like wrestling and

21:42 Speaker 2: they will say to me, well, you know, it's all fake, right,

21:45 Speaker 2: It's like, no kidding, Really, it's scripted. It's scripted entertainment. Wow, No,

21:52 Speaker 2: I thought it was all real. I also thought Star

21:55 Speaker 2: Trek was real. I thought it was a documentary about

21:58 Speaker 2: going into outer space. I thought Game of Thrones were real.

22:01 Speaker 2: I thought those dragons were real dragons. Like, it's so insulting.

22:05 Speaker 2: It's like because when somebody says that to me, to me,

22:08 Speaker 2: it's like, what they're really saying is either they think

22:10 Speaker 2: I'm an idiot or or they they just or they

22:14 Speaker 2: just look down on something that I happen to, Like

22:17 Speaker 2: it's just because they don't like it.

22:20 Speaker 3: What's the sacond one? It's yeah, they're not calling you

22:23 Speaker 3: an idiot. I think it's them they're being idiots. It's

22:27 Speaker 3: it's like, you really think that we don't know. You

22:31 Speaker 3: really think we don't know? Oh, yes, we know they're

22:34 Speaker 3: going through tables and yes, how do you prevent that

22:38 Speaker 3: from being fake? What is the AI? It's table to AI.

22:42 Speaker 3: This is just a character that's that's dropping on tails.

22:45 Speaker 3: It's really a big mattress pad. We know that they Listen,

22:51 Speaker 3: It's it's fake to a point. Listen, you get bumps

22:55 Speaker 3: and bruises. That's the reason why there's injuries.

22:58 Speaker 2: Now, the injuries are real.

22:59 Speaker 3: You are taking risk, but it is calculated risks. Yeah,

23:05 Speaker 3: it's not. We're not going to throw somebody off of

23:07 Speaker 3: still cage and they're gonna land on concrete. No, there's

23:10 Speaker 3: gonna be something to break the fall. So there's not

23:12 Speaker 3: a serious injury, right, you know, it's that point there

23:16 Speaker 3: is still bumps and bruises, you know, it's people still

23:21 Speaker 3: deal with pain.

23:22 Speaker 2: Yeah. I may have told this story. I know I've told.

23:28 Speaker 2: I can't remember who I've told this story to and

23:30 Speaker 2: who I haven't, So I don't know if listeners have

23:31 Speaker 2: heard this yet or have heard this before, or if

23:33 Speaker 2: you have Charles. But when I was a kid, so

23:38 Speaker 2: I had a friend who really looked down on wrestling,

23:40 Speaker 2: and we're having a conversation about it, and uh, and

23:43 Speaker 2: he pulled that with me. He's like, well, you know

23:44 Speaker 2: it's fake, right, And I'm like, yeah, I know obviously,

23:47 Speaker 2: even when I was a kid, I mean I knew,

23:48 Speaker 2: I understood it was scripted entertainment. And I remember he

23:51 Speaker 2: said to me, he goes, well, if there's a if

23:55 Speaker 2: it's all if it's all predetermined where's the integrity in it?

23:58 Speaker 2: That's literally what he said to me, where's the integrity?

24:01 Speaker 2: And I knew about him, and there's by the way,

24:04 Speaker 2: there's a horrible irony to what I'm about to say,

24:07 Speaker 2: But this is how the conversation went. I said to

24:10 Speaker 2: him because I knew he was a fan of the

24:12 Speaker 2: Cosby Show. So I said to him, I said, well,

24:15 Speaker 2: you like the Cosby Show, right, and he goes yeah,

24:18 Speaker 2: And I said, well, did you know that that's all fake?

24:22 Speaker 2: Did you know that Cliff Huxtable that his name is

24:25 Speaker 2: an actually Cliff Huxtable, and that it's really Bill Cosby

24:29 Speaker 2: and he's an actor and that's not a real family.

24:32 Speaker 2: They're all actors and they're just pretending. Where's the integrity

24:35 Speaker 2: in the Cosby Now? Of course, again, what we know

24:38 Speaker 2: about Bill Cosby today, that's the part that makes it

24:40 Speaker 2: horribly ironic, uncomfortably so, actually, But we didn't know that.

24:44 Speaker 2: But I just remember saying that to him. It's like, yeah, well,

24:46 Speaker 2: where's the integrity in the Cosby Show? That's all fake?

24:49 Speaker 2: You know, it's all scripted, you know. But again, you know,

24:53 Speaker 2: and that was when I was a kid, and you know,

24:54 Speaker 2: here we are in twenty twenty six, and people still

24:57 Speaker 2: come at us with that and it's like, yeah, we know,

25:00 Speaker 2: it's fun.

25:00 Speaker 3: It's just it's just now, it's it's the circle of life.

25:03 Speaker 3: It's the circle of disbelief. That's what it is. You

25:06 Speaker 3: got these new new kids that are like it's fake,

25:09 Speaker 3: you know, yeah, And and you know what, in twenty years,

25:12 Speaker 3: it's gonna be the same thing. It's gonna be the

25:15 Speaker 3: same thing. But hopefully by then, maybe we you know,

25:21 Speaker 3: evolve from these apes of people that you know, would

25:26 Speaker 3: would like would go to humans to understand that this

25:29 Speaker 3: is all entertainment. It's all it is. But it's fun.

25:33 Speaker 3: It's fun, just like you know, you ladies out there

25:35 Speaker 3: like your soap operas. You realize that Salem is not

25:38 Speaker 3: really a place. It's based on a place, but it's

25:41 Speaker 3: not really a place.

25:42 Speaker 2: Salem.

25:44 Speaker 3: Oh, I don't even know if it's sale master. I

25:46 Speaker 3: think my wife says, like Illinois, they they they're based

25:49 Speaker 3: in Salem, Illinois. What days of our lives?

25:51 Speaker 2: Oh, days of our lives?

25:52 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, you know, it's like, you know, you got

25:57 Speaker 3: the I just love this. I love it. I don't

26:00 Speaker 3: watch it, trust me, but I've seen things that she

26:03 Speaker 3: watches on that soap opera. Literally, if there's like a

26:07 Speaker 3: fight and there they're holding some hostage at gunpoint, that

26:10 Speaker 3: gun point last for five episodes.

26:13 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you got to fill five.

26:17 Speaker 3: We're you gonna pull the trigger or lose control? What's

26:20 Speaker 3: going on here?

26:21 Speaker 2: Well well, yes, yeah, soap operas are paced a little

26:24 Speaker 2: differently than a weekly show because it's on five days

26:27 Speaker 2: a week. And I understand that because you know, I,

26:29 Speaker 2: like I I grew up watching General Hospital. I blame

26:33 Speaker 2: that on my mother. She got me hooked on it

26:35 Speaker 2: one summer. And but but the thing is, yeah, well

26:38 Speaker 2: the thing is, though General Hospital had and still does

26:41 Speaker 2: from what I understand to this day. You know, it

26:43 Speaker 2: had it had all the tropes of a soap opera,

26:46 Speaker 2: but it also had like this really strong action adventure

26:49 Speaker 2: element to it, you know, with with Russian spies and

26:55 Speaker 2: mob stories and you know, so uh so that's why,

26:59 Speaker 2: even as a little boy, I was able to get

27:01 Speaker 2: hooked into into that. But it also it's worth noting

27:06 Speaker 2: that some of those same elements about General Hospital are

27:11 Speaker 2: probably some of the same elements that got me hooked

27:13 Speaker 2: on wrestling, because wrestling so much of that is you know,

27:18 Speaker 2: inspired by In terms of the storytelling soap operas.

27:21 Speaker 3: It is a soap opera is a male action soap

27:24 Speaker 3: opera that involves guys dressed in tights fighting each other

27:28 Speaker 3: in a ten by ten ring. Yes, and women too,

27:31 Speaker 3: speaking of those, speaking of those athletes and tights, let's

27:35 Speaker 3: go over the matches tonight, Yes, yes, please, obviously I

27:39 Speaker 3: want to go ahead and get your picks as well

27:41 Speaker 3: as mine. Okay, it's gonna be a little odd to

27:44 Speaker 3: pick these because we're not picking one on ones. It

27:48 Speaker 3: will least for two of them. It's going to be

27:50 Speaker 3: which one of the five or six do you think

27:53 Speaker 3: is going to walk out of here? Okay, we already

27:55 Speaker 3: kind of you know, mentioned a little bit about the

27:58 Speaker 3: men's Cody, Javon Night Logan, Randy and Trick.

28:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's gonna be Cody.

28:05 Speaker 3: I I do too, But you know, if I had

28:09 Speaker 3: to go ahead and man, yeah, I after you told

28:13 Speaker 3: me what happened on Unreal, I don't think they have

28:16 Speaker 3: Ellie Knight doing it, and I think Trick and Javan

28:19 Speaker 3: they're too young right now. Yeah, Yeah, it's gonna come

28:22 Speaker 3: down to the two older people when I really hope

28:26 Speaker 3: they fool us. I really hope they fool us and

28:29 Speaker 3: they go ahead and do Night or they do Javan.

28:32 Speaker 2: I would love it.

28:32 Speaker 3: I really hope so.

28:33 Speaker 2: Yeah.

28:34 Speaker 3: But yeah, if I'm gonna put if I'm gonna have

28:36 Speaker 3: to put money on, it's Cody. Yeah, it's sad to say.

28:39 Speaker 2: And it's definitely not gonna be Javan. They're not gonna

28:41 Speaker 2: be He's not gonna be in the main event of

28:43 Speaker 2: WrestleMania already. But he's got a long career ahead of him.

28:46 Speaker 2: He's got plenty of time, and so does Trick.

28:50 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if Logan. I'm seriously if the

28:53 Speaker 3: Vision gets involved, even though it's a cage match, you

28:56 Speaker 3: never know that that's still hasn't stopped people from getting involved.

29:02 Speaker 3: Logan would be my outside choice.

29:04 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, it would be interesting.

29:07 Speaker 3: For the women's Here's what we got. The lineup his Oscar,

29:10 Speaker 3: Alexa Bliss, Keana James, where Calvidriguez, Rhea and Tiffany Stratton.

29:19 Speaker 2: I think it's going to be Rea Ripley.

29:22 Speaker 3: You think so, Yeah?

29:23 Speaker 2: They want to get her into a women's main event, Yeah,

29:26 Speaker 2: I think so.

29:28 Speaker 3: Yeah. And another spoil she dropped the tag team titles

29:31 Speaker 3: to uh Nia Jackson lash legend really stupid? Oh wow

29:39 Speaker 3: he lost last night?

29:40 Speaker 2: Okay, what happened after the uh and again spoiler alert,

29:44 Speaker 2: But so what happened after the match, because what I

29:48 Speaker 2: assume where they're going long term is, you know, Ria

29:51 Speaker 2: Ripley and E O. Sky obviously are very very buddy buddy,

29:54 Speaker 2: but eventually there is going to be a split. I'm

29:57 Speaker 2: curious what happens after the match. Did anything happen after

30:00 Speaker 2: of the match between them?

30:01 Speaker 3: I was reading it. I didn't watch it, but I

30:03 Speaker 3: was reading it at the time, the timetable of the blog. Uh,

30:07 Speaker 3: nothing exciting happened afterwards. They just celebrated.

30:11 Speaker 2: Okay, nothing happened between Io and Rhea.

30:14 Speaker 3: Right, gotcha? Okay, so yeah, I kind of see Ria,

30:19 Speaker 3: But you know what, Tiffany came back from injury. I

30:21 Speaker 3: think she wants to take back her her rightful spot.

30:25 Speaker 2: There could be I could see that too. I could

30:27 Speaker 2: see them going with Tiffany Stratton.

30:29 Speaker 3: I'll go ahead and put my put my dollars on Tiffany.

30:32 Speaker 2: It's not going to be Alexa Bliss. It's obviously it's

30:34 Speaker 2: certainly not going to be a Keana James, Uh, who

30:38 Speaker 2: else It's not gonna be. It's not gonna be Oscar saying.

30:43 Speaker 3: It should be nice though Alexa Bliss has been waiting

30:48 Speaker 3: a long time too, since she came back.

30:50 Speaker 2: True, it's not gonna be her, though, I'd be very surprised.

30:53 Speaker 2: I think it's going to be either uh, Tiffany Stratton

30:55 Speaker 2: or Rhea Ripley one one, one of one of those two.

31:00 Speaker 3: I'll take Tiffany's my horse, Okay, all right, all right.

31:05 Speaker 3: One of the two singles matches that is booked, This

31:09 Speaker 3: one here is for the Women's Intercontinental Championship with Becky

31:12 Speaker 3: and AJ. First singles match for AJ in over ten years. Yeah,

31:19 Speaker 3: against the greatest of all time. It's not just me

31:23 Speaker 3: saying it, it's What's Illustrated saying it's.

31:25 Speaker 2: Meg TV scene, the Bleacher Report says it.

31:29 Speaker 3: I'm so done with everybody else to say it. Oh

31:33 Speaker 3: my god, you're annoying as hell.

31:36 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Okay, Charles, hold on, we got to

31:38 Speaker 2: talk about this. I love Becky Lynch's promos. Yeah, oh

31:44 Speaker 2: my god. I have never been such a fan of

31:46 Speaker 2: Becky Lynch as I am right now. I love her promos.

31:50 Speaker 2: I love when she does that whole thing is not

31:51 Speaker 2: just me saying it's Sports Illustrated says it. I I

31:55 Speaker 2: Becky Lynch as a heel, and by the way, I

31:58 Speaker 2: only as a heel as a baby face. I think

32:00 Speaker 2: she's dull as dirt, but as a heel I love

32:03 Speaker 2: I could. I wouldn't care if they just let her

32:06 Speaker 2: go out and talk for twenty minutes. I love everything

32:09 Speaker 2: she's doing as a heel right now. But it sounds

32:11 Speaker 2: like you're you're over it. Did Do you want to

32:14 Speaker 2: know the reason why I hate her promos? Why?

32:17 Speaker 3: It's just I cannot stand the stuttering. I cannot say

32:23 Speaker 3: it is a minor thing. Well, she doesn't stutter, she stammers,

32:27 Speaker 3: Well you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, it's

32:29 Speaker 3: just people sometimes people say stutter when they mean stammer. Yeah, yeah,

32:32 Speaker 3: a stammer. We'll do that.

32:34 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

32:34 Speaker 3: But I can't stand it. I really, It's just it

32:37 Speaker 3: makes her sound really dumb, oh, really like she doesn't

32:41 Speaker 3: know what she's talking about. But it's just like, you know,

32:45 Speaker 3: I kind of listen. AJ since she's came back has

32:50 Speaker 3: blown her away in every shape and form. She's kept

32:55 Speaker 3: it funny, comical, and she puts it. Oh man, she

32:59 Speaker 3: lays down facts. Oh, it's that she's a fantastic, amazing

33:04 Speaker 3: on the mic. Oh I agree, I agree. So, but

33:09 Speaker 3: coming back one on one match after ten years, I

33:15 Speaker 3: don't see it.

33:16 Speaker 2: No, no much.

33:16 Speaker 3: I'd love AJ to go ahead and just take that

33:18 Speaker 3: title and make a run. I gotta put Becky on that,

33:22 Speaker 3: especially especially if Seth Rollins in that crate.

33:30 Speaker 2: You think it's Seth Rollins in the crate.

33:32 Speaker 3: I don't think it's uh Jericho because Jericho is still

33:35 Speaker 3: in the contract.

33:36 Speaker 2: Well, there's a rumor that it's Dan Housen, which would

33:38 Speaker 2: make sense, and I hope it is.

33:40 Speaker 3: That's another room. I actually, I actually, while I was

33:42 Speaker 3: waiting to get on the air, I went ahead in

33:45 Speaker 3: and a hide the question who is in the air.

33:50 Speaker 3: It came down it's either Chris Jericho, Dan Housen, Seth

33:54 Speaker 3: Rollins or Bianca Belle Air.

33:57 Speaker 2: It's not gonna be honest.

33:59 Speaker 3: There is other rumors of a person named Evil from

34:05 Speaker 3: New Japan.

34:06 Speaker 2: Well that would be a letdown. Nobody. Nobody's gonna know

34:09 Speaker 2: who that is.

34:09 Speaker 3: Nobody. Yeah, I think that's way out there. Yeah, so

34:12 Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be wouln't be these four. I

34:14 Speaker 3: weighs three now, Dan Housen, seth Rollins, Bianca Belle. I

34:18 Speaker 3: think they originally wanted Jericho in there, Yeah, but then

34:21 Speaker 3: they found out it's contracts frozen. Which how do you

34:24 Speaker 3: not know that when you make these plans and sign

34:27 Speaker 3: them under contract?

34:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, well unless somebody put that out there deliberately to

34:31 Speaker 2: throw us, because Jericho is a master of that. But

34:34 Speaker 2: but we don't even know. It might not be a

34:35 Speaker 2: person in the crate. It might be something an object

34:38 Speaker 2: in the crate that refers to the person who will

34:40 Speaker 2: then come out on stage. But if, but if, if

34:44 Speaker 2: someone literally emerges from the crate, it's probably Dan Housen. Yeah,

34:48 Speaker 2: and I hope so because that would be awesome because

34:51 Speaker 2: I've only seen a little bit of Dan Housen's work

34:53 Speaker 2: in aw but the little bit that I've seen I

34:55 Speaker 2: loved is fantastic. I hope it's Dan Housen.

34:59 Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, I'm kind of looking forward to that.

35:00 Speaker 3: I haven't seen much of him, so yeah, but yeah,

35:04 Speaker 3: if he's half as incredible as I heard, ye, then yeah,

35:07 Speaker 3: it would be nice to see.

35:08 Speaker 2: He's a lot of fun. That would be fun.

35:11 Speaker 3: Anyway, I got Becky on this.

35:12 Speaker 2: Match, Yeah, me too, Me too, say.

35:16 Speaker 3: And finally this match, which I kind of think is

35:19 Speaker 3: just a fluffer match really for seeing Punk Punk and Balor.

35:24 Speaker 3: I don't see Balo winning and him being the headline

35:29 Speaker 3: for WrestleMania, although I've gone back and forth and thinking

35:34 Speaker 3: see him. Punk is always wanted to headline WrestleMania. He

35:37 Speaker 3: did it last year. He's not as selfish as he

35:40 Speaker 3: once was before. Right, He's actually come back and helped

35:44 Speaker 3: out a lot of people. He's willing to go ahead

35:46 Speaker 3: and take bumps for people. He might do this because

35:50 Speaker 3: Finn Baller earned it. He may drop the title for him.

35:55 Speaker 3: So Finn Roman reigns going at it.

35:58 Speaker 2: That's a problem. No, okay.

36:00 Speaker 3: So I mean they could always and this is what

36:03 Speaker 3: I said on my on the other show I'm on,

36:07 Speaker 3: they can always pivot like they pivoted if with WrestleMania

36:12 Speaker 3: forty when it was supposed to be Rains against the

36:15 Speaker 3: Rock and everybody chanted Cody. You know, Cody should make

36:19 Speaker 3: the decision. Blah blah blah. They can always pivot like

36:22 Speaker 3: they did. Then they can put the title on Finn.

36:27 Speaker 3: And they got a month and a half before WrestleMania.

36:30 Speaker 3: They can get him rematch somewhere in there where Finn

36:33 Speaker 3: drops it again.

36:34 Speaker 2: That's a rumor that's out there. I hate that idea,

36:38 Speaker 2: and I'll tell you why I don't. First of all,

36:41 Speaker 2: I don't want anything interrupting the build between Roman Reigns

36:45 Speaker 2: and Seampong because that first face to face promo that

36:49 Speaker 2: they did was fire. I loved that promo. The other

36:56 Speaker 2: can so fight, I know. But the other problem but no,

37:00 Speaker 2: actually yet, not at WrestleMania, because then it's going to

37:03 Speaker 2: be Roman Reigns versus Finn Balor if Baler's the champion.

37:06 Speaker 2: The other problem I have is I really don't like

37:09 Speaker 2: the idea of Balor wins the belt and then see

37:12 Speaker 2: him punk wins it back sometime between now and WrestleMania.

37:15 Speaker 2: Then you're hot shotting the title. I really don't like that.

37:18 Speaker 2: That's something I hated during the Attitude era, and I

37:23 Speaker 2: don't want to see it now. So I don't like

37:26 Speaker 2: that idea. I think what happens is Balor loses again,

37:30 Speaker 2: but he's clearly on his way I think to a

37:32 Speaker 2: to a full on baby face turn, and I think

37:36 Speaker 2: he will lose again. I think he will be humble

37:38 Speaker 2: about it, and that will be his face turn and

37:40 Speaker 2: he'll he'll go back to being a babyface. That's what

37:43 Speaker 2: I think is gonna happen.

37:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've definitely seen the writing on the wall there

37:47 Speaker 3: where Finn is Just listen, I don't need you guys.

37:50 Speaker 3: You know I want to do this alone. Yeah, let me

37:53 Speaker 3: do it while on what you know that that's the

37:55 Speaker 3: sign of a heel a face turn right there? Yeah,

37:58 Speaker 3: but yeah, I just but see, here's the thing. He's

38:02 Speaker 3: doing everything that Punk is telling him to do. You

38:06 Speaker 3: would think doing what he says that would make him champion. Dude,

38:13 Speaker 3: I don't know, man, It's it's tough. It's the heart

38:19 Speaker 3: wants to see Finn with the championship, but the timing

38:22 Speaker 3: right now is just not there yet. So I'm gonna

38:27 Speaker 3: go ahead and say Punk is gonna win. Yeah, Punk

38:29 Speaker 3: will win at Mania, and then Finn will get another

38:32 Speaker 3: chance at after Mania.

38:35 Speaker 5: Hm.

38:35 Speaker 2: Maybe, But I am. I am intrigued to see where

38:38 Speaker 2: they're going with Finn Valor. But but I don't think

38:42 Speaker 2: he wins the I don't think he wins the title tonight.

38:45 Speaker 2: Uh what what did you think of the promo? But

38:47 Speaker 2: between uh, punk and Roman reigns.

38:49 Speaker 3: Oh, I agree with you. It was spot on fire.

38:53 Speaker 3: It was it was a volcano erupting on both ends.

38:55 Speaker 3: I loved it. I just to the point of, you know,

39:00 Speaker 3: Romans like, I picked you because I hate you. Yep,

39:02 Speaker 3: And this is gonna be the best line of my

39:04 Speaker 3: life because I'm just gonna go ahead and beat you,

39:07 Speaker 3: to give you the beating you deserve, and I take

39:09 Speaker 3: back my title. Blah blah blah. You know, I'm just

39:13 Speaker 3: waiting and waiting for the tribal chief to have a

39:18 Speaker 3: tribe again.

39:19 Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

39:20 Speaker 3: He hasn't had one yet.

39:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's kind of.

39:24 Speaker 3: I think somewhere along the line, I think it does

39:27 Speaker 3: come to where we finally get all the Samoans in line.

39:32 Speaker 3: I think we get fought too, we get the usos.

39:36 Speaker 3: I don't see Solo coming back on there. I think

39:37 Speaker 3: he's got his MFTs, which I will. I will go

39:41 Speaker 3: ahead and tell you I like Solo as that Gangsters

39:47 Speaker 3: I do.

39:47 Speaker 2: Two Jenny's commented on that too, that he's really grown

39:50 Speaker 2: in the role. I have a problem. I have a

39:52 Speaker 2: problem though, with the MFT gimmick. I hate the face paint.

39:58 Speaker 2: It makes them look No, it makes them look like juggalos.

40:03 Speaker 2: This isn't this isn't supposed to be ICP. It's supposed

40:06 Speaker 2: to be MFT. It looks ridiculous on them, especially on Tomatonga.

40:11 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why, because the great thing about

40:13 Speaker 2: Tomatonga is he's got a very expressive face, and why

40:17 Speaker 2: would you want to hide it under all that makeup?

40:21 Speaker 2: So much of what like, so much of what his

40:23 Speaker 2: character is is you know, he's got that weird sound

40:26 Speaker 2: that he makes, but also just his facial expressions that

40:29 Speaker 2: that's what makes him compelling as Tomatonga. And then you

40:33 Speaker 2: slap all that makeup on him and he covers his

40:35 Speaker 2: face and it looks I know. And I did read

40:40 Speaker 2: online that I guess that he and Tongaaloa they wore

40:44 Speaker 2: the war paint when they were the Gorillas of Destiny

40:47 Speaker 2: in Japan. I just I just think it looks awful.

40:51 Speaker 2: I think they look ridiculous. I think it's they look

40:55 Speaker 2: like juggalos. And again, no disrespect to the juggalos. I

40:59 Speaker 2: played in a band once where we actually had some

41:01 Speaker 2: jugglers who were into us. So whatever I'm laughing not

41:06 Speaker 2: has mean disagreeing.

41:07 Speaker 3: I actually agree with you on that. But it's it's

41:11 Speaker 3: it's given them the identity it really is. You know,

41:15 Speaker 3: granted call them, you know, they look like jugglers whatever

41:18 Speaker 3: the case. Maybe juggles is still pretty. They're pretty bad

41:22 Speaker 3: Like that isn't good? Okay, I was gonna use you know,

41:25 Speaker 3: I was gonna use bad a, but you know we're

41:28 Speaker 3: an FM.

41:28 Speaker 2: So you can say badass. That's not a problem.

41:31 Speaker 3: Badass. They're badasses. So that the paint, I don't think, like,

41:36 Speaker 3: you know, lowers their standard. I think it's just it

41:40 Speaker 3: is a look that they're going for.

41:42 Speaker 2: It's so bad. I think it looks so silly, like

41:45 Speaker 2: cringe when I see It's like, what are you guys doing?

41:51 Speaker 3: They need they need I like this whole thing that

41:54 Speaker 3: they're doing against with the Wyat Sixes, there needs to

41:58 Speaker 3: be more. There needs to be more context in that

42:01 Speaker 3: and to some point where hopefully there's still time that

42:06 Speaker 3: there is like a five on five family versus family match. Wait,

42:14 Speaker 3: I'm kind of hoping for that.

42:15 Speaker 2: They haven't done that already.

42:17 Speaker 3: No, they've done Tag Team champ because that the not

42:21 Speaker 3: the U. The Sixers are still Tag Team Champions use

42:25 Speaker 3: so many times they've defended that how many like one.

42:31 Speaker 3: It's like, come on, man, it's like nobody's really doing

42:34 Speaker 3: anything about these tag team titles. That's the that's the

42:37 Speaker 3: one downfall I have with with WW. Right now, Jake

42:41 Speaker 3: Carghill has defended the title twice once twice something like that.

42:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, where is she?

42:46 Speaker 3: Then she's over here talking about how she is the

42:50 Speaker 3: b now in w W.

42:52 Speaker 2: I love her promos though, I love her. I love

42:54 Speaker 2: her as a heel. She's fantastic as a heel. I

42:57 Speaker 2: love her.

42:58 Speaker 3: But the point is fight. Yeah, you need to fight.

43:02 Speaker 2: That's okay. Though she's a heel. Heels are supposed to

43:04 Speaker 2: be a little bit cowardly, you know, to alter little bit.

43:07 Speaker 3: She is complete. Yeah, she's complete.

43:09 Speaker 2: Talk Yeah. Loving her character though, and she she's believable too,

43:14 Speaker 2: Like when she delivers that line that we can't say

43:16 Speaker 2: on the air, she's like, you believe it, right, Like

43:21 Speaker 2: she's so good. She is so good.

43:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, promo wise, she's great. I keep hearing that she's

43:27 Speaker 3: really green. I mean I see her work. She's not

43:30 Speaker 3: that green.

43:31 Speaker 2: No, I think she gets a lot of unfair criticism.

43:35 Speaker 2: I've said I've said this from the beginning. I think

43:38 Speaker 2: she's better in the ring than she gets credit for.

43:40 Speaker 2: And I will also say she's improved a lot I had. Yeah,

43:45 Speaker 2: and she doesn't get the credit for it though people

43:47 Speaker 2: online just crap all over. I think she's I think

43:49 Speaker 2: she's much better than she gets credit for.

43:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree, she she's she's cleaned up. Listen,

43:56 Speaker 3: I've seen her in some of these matches before. Oh yeah,

44:01 Speaker 3: I've seen botches all over the place. Sure, I see

44:03 Speaker 3: just like things like, oh man, is she gonna get

44:06 Speaker 3: up after that?

44:07 Speaker 2: Uh?

44:07 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's and again, like we had mentioned before,

44:11 Speaker 3: fakeer real, this is real, It is calculated, real, you

44:16 Speaker 3: are trained to take these bumps in a certain way.

44:20 Speaker 3: And with Jade doing the stuff she was doing when

44:22 Speaker 3: she first got called up, which is why you saw

44:25 Speaker 3: her sporadically, you know why, because her behind was down

44:28 Speaker 3: there in the performance center trying to work on her craft, right,

44:33 Speaker 3: you know, I could see why AW got rid of her.

44:37 Speaker 3: I mean, with the little the little integrity they have

44:40 Speaker 3: over there. A w Yeah, they need they need to

44:43 Speaker 3: go ahead and just say all right, we can't have

44:45 Speaker 3: you injuring anybody else, Go get out of here, be gone.

44:49 Speaker 3: So but no, they they w W sees that the

44:52 Speaker 3: the talent there, and you know, they've worked with her,

44:56 Speaker 3: giving her chance after chance, and they saw something. That's

44:58 Speaker 3: why she was made Queen of their Right. That's why

45:01 Speaker 3: she's currently a champion.

45:04 Speaker 2: Right. Oh, one other thing we had to wrap up soon.

45:07 Speaker 2: But just as we're talking about Jade Cargill and her

45:11 Speaker 2: being better than what she gets credit for, what do

45:13 Speaker 2: you think about Chelsea Green Because there's also been some

45:15 Speaker 2: controversy And again, I know you haven't watched the new

45:18 Speaker 2: season of Unreal, but one of the things that's come up,

45:20 Speaker 2: I'm sure you've seen the chatter about this online. You know,

45:23 Speaker 2: Michael Hayes kind of makes some comments in there indicating

45:26 Speaker 2: that Chelsea Green is you know, upper mid card, but

45:28 Speaker 2: that's kind of her ceiling. But she's, you know, she's

45:30 Speaker 2: great at what she does. But but there's a lot

45:32 Speaker 2: of people who are saying, no, she should be in

45:34 Speaker 2: main events, like she's that good, she's that entertaining, and

45:38 Speaker 2: I tend to agree with that. I'm curious what you

45:39 Speaker 2: think because it seems to me everything she's ever been

45:42 Speaker 2: given to do, Chelsea Green, she knocks it out of

45:45 Speaker 2: the park. I mean, she's so good and She's another

45:47 Speaker 2: example too of a heel. She's supposed to be a heel,

45:50 Speaker 2: but obviously the fans love her because she's so talented,

45:52 Speaker 2: and she's so good at everything she does, and she's

45:54 Speaker 2: so likable and funny. So I think she's I think

46:00 Speaker 2: she should be. I think she deserves a bigger push

46:02 Speaker 2: than she gets. What do you think There's.

46:04 Speaker 3: A lot of people we could give pushes too that

46:06 Speaker 3: we want, right, we all thinking I should get a

46:08 Speaker 3: bigger push. You know Chelsea Green, she You're right. She

46:12 Speaker 3: goes ahead and with what she has been given as

46:18 Speaker 3: the quote unquote you know, president in in.

46:20 Speaker 2: Her in her, the secret, hervist, the hervest.

46:25 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I'm like, I'm thinking that's such a stupid name.

46:30 Speaker 3: But then it's like, you know what she's running with it,

46:33 Speaker 3: let's go ahead, and I get it.

46:35 Speaker 2: I get it. Yeah, it's fun and she's a heel,

46:37 Speaker 2: so it can be stupid.

46:39 Speaker 3: But here's the thing. I think she's been put into

46:42 Speaker 3: a position of she's on an island where she's goofy,

46:50 Speaker 3: and it's like, you know, you can't take a main

46:52 Speaker 3: event or that's goofy. That's the problem with that is,

46:58 Speaker 3: you know, to to kind of retrospect on everything you take.

47:03 Speaker 3: You take like the Olsen Twins, there were child actresses. Yeah,

47:07 Speaker 3: you can't seriously as an adult actresses anymore, even though

47:10 Speaker 3: they're not coming back, but still you can't take them seriously. Yeah,

47:14 Speaker 3: they're always gonna be labeled child actresses. So are you

47:18 Speaker 3: gonna cast them in a leading role?

47:20 Speaker 6: No?

47:21 Speaker 3: Chelsea Green is put into this category unfortunately, that she

47:26 Speaker 3: is a goofy, goofy character.

47:30 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think with a little bit of creativity, though,

47:32 Speaker 2: I think they could.

47:33 Speaker 3: She needs yes, and she needs to basically have her

47:36 Speaker 3: character redone. She can't go ahead with the Harvest. She

47:41 Speaker 3: would have to be another another version of Chelsea Green

47:45 Speaker 3: to go ahead and make any type of serious move.

47:48 Speaker 2: I don't think it's so much another version as just

47:50 Speaker 2: take her, just evolve her in a way, maybe make

47:54 Speaker 2: her a little bit more serious, maybe maybe do a

47:56 Speaker 2: babyface turn.

47:58 Speaker 3: But but if you if you would go ahead and

48:00 Speaker 3: be creative to Chelsea Green, how would you go ahead

48:03 Speaker 3: and pivot that baby face? I don't think would be enough. Yeah,

48:08 Speaker 3: but I.

48:08 Speaker 2: Think I think they can get there with her, because

48:10 Speaker 2: I mean, it'd be worth taking the risk, because, like

48:13 Speaker 2: I said, everything they've ever given her to do, she succeeds. Yeah,

48:16 Speaker 2: you know, I kind of I kind of think of

48:18 Speaker 2: her the way I used to think of Live Morgan,

48:20 Speaker 2: because for a long time, I would think, why isn't

48:22 Speaker 2: Live Morgan in main events? She's got everything, she is

48:25 Speaker 2: so good. I was saying this a couple of years

48:27 Speaker 2: ago and then but fortunately in the case of Live Morgan,

48:31 Speaker 2: they did finally figure it out, and now she's a

48:33 Speaker 2: main eventor and she's incredible, But she's she's kind of

48:36 Speaker 2: in that same category in my mind where I used

48:38 Speaker 2: to think Live Morgan she's perpetually stuck in the mid card.

48:42 Speaker 2: But everything they've ever given her to do, she succeeds.

48:46 Speaker 2: She's so good, She's good at everything, promos or in

48:50 Speaker 2: rey work, everything she does is so good. Why isn't

48:52 Speaker 2: she in main events? But she did get there. They

48:55 Speaker 2: got there with.

48:55 Speaker 3: Her, and she probably went ahead and voiced her opinion

48:58 Speaker 3: and Chelsea Green me not you voiced her opinion as

49:01 Speaker 3: much as she should.

49:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe who knows.

49:04 Speaker 3: So probably it's a lot of back at politics type stuff.

49:07 Speaker 3: That's probably where you're hearing all this.

49:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Charles, we are rapidly approaching the top of

49:13 Speaker 2: the hour, we got to go. But I appreciate you

49:15 Speaker 2: so much. It's always wonderful to speak with you. Great

49:17 Speaker 2: to have you on the show. And I know we

49:20 Speaker 2: do have you booked for another appearance coming up, but

49:22 Speaker 2: Elimination Chamber Mania.

49:24 Speaker 3: What so Mania coming up? In a boy, I'm gonna

49:27 Speaker 3: come on on Saturday and we'll talk both nights.

49:30 Speaker 2: Absolutely, No, I can't wait and tell us too before

49:34 Speaker 2: we go. So you've got, of course the Charles Richardson Show,

49:36 Speaker 2: and you do a wrestling podcast, so go ahead and

49:39 Speaker 2: tell us about this.

49:40 Speaker 3: So my current show, the Charles Richardson showed because of

49:43 Speaker 3: personal things I've had going on, has been on hiatus.

49:47 Speaker 3: When we return, we're going to be on Wednesday's eight

49:49 Speaker 3: to ten on Facebook. Okay, So just to go ahead

49:51 Speaker 3: and look us up on Facebook, the Charles Richardson Show,

49:55 Speaker 3: and also the Charles richardsonow on YouTube. And the wrestling

49:59 Speaker 3: podcast that we have have again no no, no trying

50:02 Speaker 3: affiliation with Tough Bumps. It's a little bit different of

50:05 Speaker 3: a show that we do. It is called the Josh

50:08 Speaker 3: Zodiac Podcast. Josh Sodiac is the one that hosts I

50:12 Speaker 3: am co hosting. Okay, bud, you can go ahead and

50:14 Speaker 3: find them on all social media platforms. The Josh Zodiac Podcast.

50:19 Speaker 2: Very good, very good, and while we're at it too,

50:22 Speaker 2: I will mention tough bumps. Of course, Eric and I

50:24 Speaker 2: will be on. Eric Pilcher and I and Austin Hicks

50:26 Speaker 2: usually joins us most weeks as well. We'll be on

50:30 Speaker 2: tomorrow night, Sunday night, I think at seven pm, no,

50:35 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, six pm Eastern. It changes every week, but

50:38 Speaker 2: you can find that of course on Facebook and YouTube

50:41 Speaker 2: and subscribe, like and subscribe and subscribe on your podcast

50:45 Speaker 2: platform of choice, as you should with this show as well,

50:48 Speaker 2: because once we're off the air here, this goes up

50:50 Speaker 2: into the podcast dost sphere, and of course you can

50:53 Speaker 2: find it on the WM and H website and my

50:54 Speaker 2: website Matt Connorton dot com. But Charles, again, thank you

50:57 Speaker 2: so much, my friend. Always great to talk to you

50:59 Speaker 2: and look forward to the next time.

51:01 Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Have a good one, all right, brother, you.

51:03 Speaker 2: Got to take care all right. That is Charles Richardson

51:07 Speaker 2: from The Charles Richardson Show and the Zach oh sorry,

51:11 Speaker 2: the Josh Zodiac Podcast. Sometimes in my mind I create

51:14 Speaker 2: amalgams of words, the Josh Zodiac I almost said the

51:18 Speaker 2: Jodiac or something podcast for more wrestling content, and thank

51:24 Speaker 2: you everybody who joined us today. Of course we had

51:26 Speaker 2: Peter the photographer with us in the first hour. I'm

51:29 Speaker 2: actually going to end the show today with We're gonna

51:31 Speaker 2: play another spin of the Ballad of twenty six, such

51:35 Speaker 2: a great song, and he performed live for us, just incredible.

51:38 Speaker 2: And of course in the second hour we had Elijah

51:39 Speaker 2: Jenkins from the band Moving On all the way from

51:42 Speaker 2: Liverpool joining us. I've always loved talking to him. We've

51:45 Speaker 2: spin on before and he's just incredible. And of course

51:47 Speaker 2: our friend Charles Richardson. So if you did miss any

51:50 Speaker 2: part of today's show, it will be up in just

51:51 Speaker 2: a little bit at Wmnhradio dot org and at my

51:54 Speaker 2: website Matt Connorton dot com. That's gonna do it for

51:57 Speaker 2: us for now. We will talk with y'all a little

51:59 Speaker 2: bit later. Hi, everybody, But I'll be.

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