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8:51 Speaker 2: Welcome everybody. It's Matt Connorton Unleashed. We are live from

8:54 Speaker 2: the studios of w M n H ninety five point

8:57 Speaker 2: three f m and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. Today is Saturday,

9:01 Speaker 2: March eight, twenty twenty five. Couple of world radio premieres

9:06 Speaker 2: for you. This morning. We had the new track from

9:08 Speaker 2: Chasing the Devil, which has been on streaming platforms for

9:10 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, but the first time it has

9:12 Speaker 2: aired on FM terrestrial radio, a great track called Morning Star.

9:16 Speaker 2: And we also did the world radio premiere of the

9:18 Speaker 2: new track from Sepsis. It's called Play the Game. And

9:21 Speaker 2: we have a very busy show for you. I am

9:23 Speaker 2: not alone, of course, Jenny John.

9:35 Speaker 9: Jenny is here.

9:36 Speaker 2: Jenny is here at the news table.

9:37 Speaker 9: You step on my good morning, oh, good morning.

9:41 Speaker 2: Well usually I introduce you and then you say good

9:43 Speaker 2: morning sunshine. What's that Yeah, you're like what it just

9:50 Speaker 2: sounded funny? What there you go? That's better. Yeah, you

9:52 Speaker 2: weren't talking into it, well you were kind of it

9:56 Speaker 2: was kind of sideways like this was in front of view,

10:00 Speaker 2: but the mic was was a little off center. That's okay, No,

10:02 Speaker 2: it's better now. But we're gonna be uh, we're gonna

10:07 Speaker 2: go right into We've got a very busy show for you.

10:11 Speaker 2: So in just a couple of minutes, the guys from

10:13 Speaker 2: Naked Without It, one of our great friends from the UK,

10:16 Speaker 2: or two of our great friends. They're a duo, but

10:18 Speaker 2: one of the great acts that we like to talk

10:21 Speaker 2: with from the UK. They're gonna be skyping in. Uh

10:23 Speaker 2: they've got a very big event today that I know

10:25 Speaker 2: they're dying to talk about. So what we're gonna do

10:27 Speaker 2: is we're gonna gohead and play right now their newest single.

10:30 Speaker 2: It's called All the Drugs, and it was a few

10:33 Speaker 2: weeks ago or a couple of months ago. It all

10:35 Speaker 2: becomes a blur. But we did the American radio premiere

10:38 Speaker 2: of this track, the very first time it has been

10:40 Speaker 2: played on American radio. We did that here on WM

10:44 Speaker 2: and H on Matt connorton Unleashed. So we're gonna give

10:46 Speaker 2: that a spin right now, and then we're gonna have

10:48 Speaker 2: those guys joining us via skype and we can talk

10:50 Speaker 2: about what they've been up to and what they've got

10:52 Speaker 2: going on today. So they're seeing a lot of success

10:55 Speaker 2: there in the UK. Very happy for them, and uh,

10:57 Speaker 2: so here it is. This is really catchy. This is

10:59 Speaker 2: called All the Drugs and this is Naked Without It.

11:10 Speaker 8: Met a young lady.

11:11 Speaker 13: She said her taste of brick. She walked the streets

11:14 Speaker 13: of London pleasure she would see. She made the boy

11:17 Speaker 13: so happy, left them with a smile. She earned the

11:20 Speaker 13: most money and the king spinning him out.

11:26 Speaker 3: Without met her.

11:26 Speaker 14: In a dollhouse.

11:28 Speaker 2: Havings been gregged.

11:29 Speaker 13: The con across her eyes was the best that I

11:32 Speaker 13: ever seen.

11:33 Speaker 3: Took her to her restaurant.

11:34 Speaker 15: Her nails were painted black before the night through.

11:37 Speaker 13: While I was under attack. She gone round, she gone back,

11:43 Speaker 13: She gone and blown. She gone black. She gone around,

11:49 Speaker 13: she gone back, she gone blown, She gone black.

11:55 Speaker 2: Said you might not be sending around.

11:57 Speaker 9: I'm sure you ain't.

11:58 Speaker 13: The sink it was written and then stuff I'm eating

12:01 Speaker 13: can't speak. Said I'm sorry, honey, I don't know what

12:04 Speaker 13: you're big. She said, to give me a whiskey and

12:07 Speaker 13: all the drugs are there?

12:08 Speaker 3: Need a mat her in the city.

12:16 Speaker 2: The father was underground. Papa's hitting high was the rocker

12:20 Speaker 2: Penny sign.

12:21 Speaker 13: Wrong place, Wrong time, into my life. She gone five minutes,

12:26 Speaker 13: saying to show me the night.

12:31 Speaker 2: Shook off running. I got myself behind, but I could.

12:35 Speaker 14: See the cat. But you'd have to be blind.

12:37 Speaker 13: Told me Bertie Street that you didn't lie. My tool

12:41 Speaker 13: ain't no problem because the cat came home. She gone around,

12:47 Speaker 13: she gon back, she gone and blown. She gone black.

12:53 Speaker 13: She gone who around, she gone back, She gone and blown.

12:56 Speaker 13: She gone black. Said you might not be a sin

13:01 Speaker 13: of I'm sure you ain't, or sink hips and then

13:04 Speaker 13: stars I mean in that it.

13:06 Speaker 1: Was fixed, Sad.

13:07 Speaker 13: I'm sorry, honey, I don't know what you mean. She said,

13:10 Speaker 13: give me a whiskey and all the drugs are deg

13:13 Speaker 13: you need. You might not be a sin of her

13:47 Speaker 13: I'm sure you ain't.

13:48 Speaker 14: Or six tips.

13:49 Speaker 13: Written them stars I mean, then speak Sad. I'm sorry, honey,

13:53 Speaker 13: I don't know what you mean. She said, give me

13:56 Speaker 13: a whiskey and all the drugs.

13:58 Speaker 4: And Diggy.

14:13 Speaker 2: Such a great track. I love that that is called

14:14 Speaker 2: all the Drugs and it is the duo Naked without

14:19 Speaker 2: It and all the way from the UK, and I

14:21 Speaker 2: believe we have them on a sky pillow. Gentlemen, Good morning, hello,

14:26 Speaker 2: or it's probably it's afternoon there I assume right it is. Yes,

14:32 Speaker 2: Welcome back, guys. Hey, since the last time we talked,

14:35 Speaker 2: so for for the uninitiated, for those who have not

14:38 Speaker 2: heard our previous conversation, would you please each introduce yourselves,

14:42 Speaker 2: tell us what you do in this project Naked without It,

14:46 Speaker 2: who you are and what you do in the in

14:47 Speaker 2: the group.

14:50 Speaker 16: Monks, Tony I play, I sing and play rhythm guitar,

14:54 Speaker 16: and I'm Martin play other guitars and some homedies.

14:58 Speaker 2: Very good, very good tone Me and Martin. Welcome back, guys.

15:02 Speaker 2: Uh yeah we Uh. We had the honor and privilege

15:04 Speaker 2: of doing the American radio premiere for that track a

15:08 Speaker 2: bit ago and and lots of positive feedback. And it

15:10 Speaker 2: looks like you guys are having a lot of success there.

15:14 Speaker 2: Uh should we talk about you know, we'll circle back

15:16 Speaker 2: to it of course to remind people. But what have

15:18 Speaker 2: you got going on today? You've got you've got a

15:20 Speaker 2: pretty big event, right, Yeah, we're.

15:23 Speaker 16: Playing like there's a as we said, there's a there's

15:26 Speaker 16: a chain of music shops in Britain called hm v I.

15:31 Speaker 3: Then they came over, but they sort of they folded

15:32 Speaker 3: a bit at one point, didn't they.

15:35 Speaker 16: And I know there's something in Canada at one point

15:38 Speaker 16: and yes so, but they they've had a bit of

15:41 Speaker 16: a resurgence in England with the with the vinyl sort

15:44 Speaker 16: of return of vinyl over it.

15:46 Speaker 3: So they they've been doing pretty well.

15:49 Speaker 16: And yes, we're playing an HMV this afternoon about in

15:52 Speaker 16: about an hour and half something like that, So yeah,

15:55 Speaker 16: it begins, it's it's it's uh a place, a place

15:59 Speaker 16: called Stains on Tims, which is about twenty minutes out

16:03 Speaker 16: of out of London.

16:04 Speaker 2: Really, that's really cool that you're able to do that too,

16:08 Speaker 2: because you know doing in store events. You know, I

16:12 Speaker 2: used to work for trans World Entertainment, which owns you know,

16:17 Speaker 2: Americans will know Fye and strawberries for those who are older,

16:23 Speaker 2: and so I worked for them for many years and

16:26 Speaker 2: we used to put on in store events at the

16:28 Speaker 2: various locations that I worked at. In fact, we did

16:33 Speaker 2: a world radio premiere for the band Chasing the Devil

16:35 Speaker 2: this morning and one of the guys from Chasing the

16:37 Speaker 2: Devil wasn't a band called Purge d I, and we

16:40 Speaker 2: did a bigger in store event for them once that

16:41 Speaker 2: we put on and I used to love that was

16:44 Speaker 2: that was one of my favorite, absolute favorite things about

16:46 Speaker 2: working for that company was getting to do those. They

16:48 Speaker 2: were so much fun. But it's also one of those

16:51 Speaker 2: things that I think some people probably presume that those

16:55 Speaker 2: have gone by the wayside. That those don't happen anymore,

16:58 Speaker 2: but there's I know of a couple places in our

17:01 Speaker 2: area that have started doing them, you know, these sort

17:04 Speaker 2: of old school record stores which are still around and

17:06 Speaker 2: actually thriving in some cases, which is great to see.

17:10 Speaker 2: So it's it's nice that you're able to do that,

17:12 Speaker 2: and uh yeah, congratulations. That's a big opportunity that gets

17:16 Speaker 2: you a lot of exposure. And I'm sure you're gonna

17:18 Speaker 2: have a lot of people there, so you're gonna be

17:20 Speaker 2: you're going to be performing live obviously, right, it's not

17:22 Speaker 2: just the signing. You're going to perform, no, will be.

17:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, we do.

17:25 Speaker 16: We do like a forty five minute set and it's

17:28 Speaker 16: good fun because we have for sort of a you

17:31 Speaker 16: have a revolving audience, so there's different people coming in

17:34 Speaker 16: the shop all.

17:34 Speaker 3: The time as well.

17:35 Speaker 16: Yeah, so we hope, we hope they don't revolve too much,

17:38 Speaker 16: because if they come in and see us and internmentum

17:40 Speaker 16: revolve straight out of the door, it's not so good.

17:42 Speaker 3: But this one's this one's.

17:44 Speaker 2: Actually in the window of the shop, Oh perfect.

17:48 Speaker 3: As well, so.

17:50 Speaker 16: So we yeah, so anybody sort of wandering through the

17:52 Speaker 16: shop content that will just seize us or sees the

17:55 Speaker 16: back of us in the window.

17:56 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's quite amusing for us.

17:59 Speaker 2: Oh that's been fantastic. Yeah, yeah, I assume there will

18:02 Speaker 2: be video. I mean, obviously people will have their phones out,

18:05 Speaker 2: but I assume I assume you're going to be posting

18:07 Speaker 2: something officially as well, at least I would hope.

18:09 Speaker 11: So yeah, definitely, I mean it's always a good you know,

18:12 Speaker 11: we're in a sort of fairly limited space, so it's

18:15 Speaker 11: great to kind of get that kind of nice close

18:17 Speaker 11: up video and like you say, it's that kind of

18:19 Speaker 11: old school in store appearances. And I think it's good

18:23 Speaker 11: for people because you know, a lot of people they

18:24 Speaker 11: grow up in that sort of later generations that they

18:27 Speaker 11: just you know, they find stuff online or whatever, and

18:29 Speaker 11: to actually see something new in person is a great thing.

18:33 Speaker 11: So it's nice to get out and do that kind

18:35 Speaker 11: of stuff. And yeah, rich people who perhaps you know,

18:38 Speaker 11: wouldn't be checking us out normally, so the kids out

18:41 Speaker 11: on the Saturday afternoon.

18:42 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's good.

18:43 Speaker 2: Absolutely. So you're playing are you playing everything from Singles

18:48 Speaker 2: Club or are you also playing some of the older

18:50 Speaker 2: stuff or what's your what's your plan for your stat list, there's.

18:54 Speaker 16: Mostly singles club yeah, play, We've got, We've got, We've

18:58 Speaker 16: got one track from from the new EP called every Time.

19:03 Speaker 16: So we've got a new EP coming out on the

19:05 Speaker 16: twenty fifth of April, which is called twenty five eight

19:12 Speaker 16: Ring Lit Curls.

19:14 Speaker 3: That's going to be the name of the EPH.

19:17 Speaker 16: So that comes out on twenty fifth of April, three

19:21 Speaker 16: track EP, and we'll be doing the song every Time

19:25 Speaker 16: from that, and then I think as we go into

19:28 Speaker 16: the new EP series, we'll be dropping some of the

19:32 Speaker 16: older songs. I think, so for me, it's like a

19:35 Speaker 16: bit of this is one of the last times we'll

19:37 Speaker 16: probably play a couple of these.

19:39 Speaker 3: Songs for a while.

19:40 Speaker 1: Yeah.

19:40 Speaker 16: So yeah, So we've we've told people that if they

19:43 Speaker 16: want to hear some of those some of the singles

19:45 Speaker 16: club songs, then get down now because we'll be we'll

19:49 Speaker 16: be moving.

19:49 Speaker 3: On to the new stuff.

19:50 Speaker 2: Excellent. I'm really curious about the name of the upcoming

19:53 Speaker 2: EPH Can you can you say the name again? It

19:56 Speaker 2: was it was a little long. I'm not sure I

19:57 Speaker 2: car all of it, and can you tell us can

19:59 Speaker 2: you tell us what it means?

20:01 Speaker 16: Well, we're going to do four three track EPs, across

20:07 Speaker 16: the next year, so one every three months, and so

20:12 Speaker 16: we we called we decided to call a series twenty

20:15 Speaker 16: five eight because the way me and M work generally

20:19 Speaker 16: through the day, twenty four sevens not long enough, so

20:22 Speaker 16: we made it.

20:23 Speaker 3: Twenty five eight. And there's a line in.

20:27 Speaker 16: One of the songs which is called Girl at the Bar,

20:32 Speaker 16: and that is just just just to warn America it is.

20:36 Speaker 3: The best country song ever written.

20:42 Speaker 16: So we'll let you have when that comes out, and

20:44 Speaker 16: make sure you get that you can spread that across

20:46 Speaker 16: America for us.

20:49 Speaker 3: I hate to read it for Nashville, but I'm afraid.

20:50 Speaker 3: We've talked to me.

20:53 Speaker 16: And one of the lines is about a girl who

20:57 Speaker 16: had ringlet curls. So it's called twenty five eight with curls.

21:01 Speaker 16: And then the next DP will be twenty five eight

21:03 Speaker 16: something else. When we decide what's song.

21:06 Speaker 2: Oh very cool. I like the whole I like the

21:08 Speaker 2: whole concept.

21:10 Speaker 3: Good folks.

21:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we did it last year.

21:13 Speaker 16: We did it last year when we did Singles Club

21:14 Speaker 16: where we were putting out a single every six weeks,

21:17 Speaker 16: and then we decided this for this year to do

21:20 Speaker 16: twenty five eight. And that's actually going to work out

21:23 Speaker 16: as pretty much a single every four weeks, so we've

21:25 Speaker 16: given ourselves even more work hence twenty five eight.

21:29 Speaker 2: What's behind the strategy there? Because you know, obviously you

21:32 Speaker 2: have enough material to do. You know, if you wanted

21:34 Speaker 2: to just put out a full album of new material.

21:37 Speaker 2: It sounds like because I assume you guys are always

21:39 Speaker 2: writing like why why are you doing it this way?

21:42 Speaker 2: And it is it a matter I mean, I'm guessing

21:44 Speaker 2: it's a matter of you know, it always gives you

21:46 Speaker 2: new new things to post, new things to put out

21:49 Speaker 2: there for people to listen to. I assume I can.

21:53 Speaker 16: Feel Martin hatching a very good reply, which is great,

21:57 Speaker 16: But my first thought about why are you doing this?

21:59 Speaker 3: I was stupid. You are kind of space it out

22:07 Speaker 3: over over time because you know.

22:09 Speaker 11: It's that thing we've talked about four about you know,

22:12 Speaker 11: something is very instant and people will listen to it,

22:14 Speaker 11: you know, for a short amount of time. You know,

22:16 Speaker 11: maybe they'll listen to one or two songs and then

22:18 Speaker 11: they'll move on to something else. So give the opportunity

22:21 Speaker 11: to you know, we're putting out three songs at a

22:23 Speaker 11: time and then a few you know, weeks later, we

22:26 Speaker 11: put out three more so you can still have that

22:28 Speaker 11: full collection ultimately, but just it just gives it, you know,

22:32 Speaker 11: that concert thing, rather than we do one thing and then.

22:34 Speaker 3: Disappear for a year with new music. Then we've got

22:36 Speaker 3: always got new music coming out, you know, and that

22:40 Speaker 3: keeps us on our toes. You know, Tony is always writing.

22:42 Speaker 11: So if we didn't do that, you know, we'd have

22:45 Speaker 11: to put out you know, sort of double albums every

22:47 Speaker 11: six months.

22:48 Speaker 7: Right.

22:50 Speaker 3: And I think that Mark says that the music now

22:53 Speaker 3: is so immediate, isn't it.

22:55 Speaker 16: Everybody wants something new, something new, something new, and you

23:00 Speaker 16: I mean bands used to sort of like disappear for

23:02 Speaker 16: two years, didn't they They two years and go away.

23:05 Speaker 3: I think now if we went away for two years

23:07 Speaker 3: and came back, no, you don't know who we were,

23:09 Speaker 3: so we we were. We just so it's like just

23:12 Speaker 3: constantly doing them.

23:14 Speaker 16: I mean, as like man says, I do I have

23:17 Speaker 16: it's quite I get quite lucky with with with the

23:21 Speaker 16: lyrics and things.

23:23 Speaker 3: Song I was.

23:24 Speaker 16: I'm not really told this much, but I like Keith

23:27 Speaker 16: Richards always used to say that songs just sort of

23:30 Speaker 16: like float by and you have to grab them. And

23:33 Speaker 16: Noel Gallagher says the same thing. You have to get

23:35 Speaker 16: them as they go and buy Obviously, I would say

23:38 Speaker 16: Keith gets the best.

23:39 Speaker 3: Keith used to get the best.

23:40 Speaker 16: He doesn't get them anymore, so you have to sort

23:44 Speaker 16: of So I find they sort of arrive sometimes like

23:47 Speaker 16: that and you just get an.

23:48 Speaker 3: Idea and you have to run with that. But yeah, yeah,

23:53 Speaker 3: I don't know where they come from. It just appear.

23:54 Speaker 3: And I really buy into that though. They just appear sometimes,

23:57 Speaker 3: and you have if you don't grab them, then it

23:59 Speaker 3: really is.

24:00 Speaker 16: If you don't grab them and write them down or

24:02 Speaker 16: stick them on your phone now, then then they're gone

24:05 Speaker 16: because you forget them the next morning, you forget the

24:07 Speaker 16: idea completely.

24:08 Speaker 3: So yeah, we have we have quite a few. We

24:11 Speaker 3: have quite a few that turn up all the time.

24:13 Speaker 3: And technology is so it's better now as well that

24:15 Speaker 3: you can do that.

24:15 Speaker 11: You know, the days of wake up the middle the

24:17 Speaker 11: night and writing something down on a bed of paper

24:19 Speaker 11: next to the bed and then wondering on what you

24:22 Speaker 11: were talking about when you wrote that down isn't the

24:24 Speaker 11: same because now you can see things into your phone

24:26 Speaker 11: or you can record things you know much more accessibly,

24:29 Speaker 11: so it gives you a much wider. I mean we've

24:31 Speaker 11: both got you know, hundreds of voice notes on our

24:33 Speaker 11: phones of ideas and parts and things that you do.

24:37 Speaker 3: And it's great to kind of look back there and go.

24:38 Speaker 11: Oh, yeah, we remember we did that, because you know,

24:41 Speaker 11: it might be a rehearsal, it might be you know,

24:43 Speaker 11: at a gig or wherever it is, and you do

24:45 Speaker 11: it in the moment, but then you go off and

24:46 Speaker 11: do other things. And so to be able to come

24:48 Speaker 11: back and have that record because sometimes you know, you

24:50 Speaker 11: get great ideas and like you say, if you don't

24:52 Speaker 11: note them down, they're lost forever, you know. And so yeah,

24:56 Speaker 11: so it's really good. Technology in that way is very

24:58 Speaker 11: helpful for and and this is how we can speak

25:02 Speaker 11: to you.

25:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

25:04 Speaker 16: We can get over to you and like get ourselves

25:06 Speaker 16: onto sort of heard of in New Hampshire, which is amazing.

25:11 Speaker 17: Yeah.

25:12 Speaker 2: Well, we're very happy to uh, you know, to help

25:14 Speaker 2: you enter the American radio market of course. And and

25:18 Speaker 2: you know what you were talking to about, uh, what

25:20 Speaker 2: you were talking about in terms of documenting these ideas

25:23 Speaker 2: as they happen and how technology can help you do

25:25 Speaker 2: that and whatnot. There was a documentary I saw a

25:27 Speaker 2: very long time ago about Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys,

25:30 Speaker 2: and a family member of his had heard him playing

25:33 Speaker 2: a song at the piano because he always had a

25:34 Speaker 2: million ideas and he's playing this song. I guess it

25:37 Speaker 2: was at night and he was getting ready for bed

25:39 Speaker 2: and he comes up with the song and someone, his

25:42 Speaker 2: daughter or somebody says to him, that's that's amazing. You've

25:45 Speaker 2: got to record that. You've got a demo that that's

25:48 Speaker 2: that's one of the greatest things you've ever done. And

25:50 Speaker 2: Brian Wilson, you know, because he was a little you know,

25:52 Speaker 2: he was odd. Uh you know, he had a lot

25:55 Speaker 2: of problems of course, which is complicated, but but he

26:00 Speaker 2: just kind of shrugs and says, I'll have another idea

26:03 Speaker 2: tomorrow and it goes to bed. But but he also

26:10 Speaker 2: had that confidence where he just he probably did have

26:13 Speaker 2: a great idea the next day too. But yeah, it's

26:15 Speaker 2: just funny.

26:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the way.

26:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is nice. It is nice to live

26:22 Speaker 2: in a time where you can you can document these

26:24 Speaker 2: ideas and then uh, you know, and I think your

26:27 Speaker 2: whole approach is great, you guys, So you guys are

26:30 Speaker 2: going on So for anyone listening where you are who

26:33 Speaker 2: might be because again technology we're able to you know,

26:35 Speaker 2: you can stream the show from anywhere in the world.

26:38 Speaker 2: What time were you guys going on again at HMV.

26:40 Speaker 3: We're on four o'clock, four o'clock after and it's now

26:43 Speaker 3: help us two.

26:44 Speaker 16: Okay, so we're at four o'clock and it's, as you said,

26:48 Speaker 16: forty five minute.

26:49 Speaker 3: Set, okay of old ones and new ones. So yeah,

26:52 Speaker 3: it should be.

26:53 Speaker 2: Good, outstanding, outstanding, and uh, well, we we'll let you guys.

26:57 Speaker 2: We'll let you guys get going because you've got a

26:59 Speaker 2: you've got a bus the busy rest of the day ahead.

27:01 Speaker 2: But congratulations on that. That's great. I can't wait to

27:05 Speaker 2: see some video of it online. I'm sure it's gonna

27:07 Speaker 2: go great. And where where should people go? Where the

27:11 Speaker 2: where's the best place for people to go who want

27:13 Speaker 2: to follow you guys online naked without it? Where's uh,

27:16 Speaker 2: where's the best place to go to keep up with

27:18 Speaker 2: everything that you're doing?

27:19 Speaker 1: Sure?

27:20 Speaker 11: So all the socials we are n w I band

27:24 Speaker 11: and you can find us on Facebook, Twitter or x Instagram.

27:29 Speaker 3: Band camp were on there as well.

27:31 Speaker 11: And yeah, TikTok Big TikToker is Tiktokye tiktoks?

27:35 Speaker 16: How how's how's TikTok going over there? Because at one

27:38 Speaker 16: point wasn't it? Donald said he wasn't having.

27:41 Speaker 2: It, and then he said he was this This exact

27:44 Speaker 2: subject came up recently with another guest, I think a

27:47 Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. Uh So, it was gone for

27:50 Speaker 2: I think one day, and then it was back, and

27:55 Speaker 2: now nobody's talking about it like you know it was

27:58 Speaker 2: it was. It was banned for for a full day

28:02 Speaker 2: and then it just was back. And I don't know,

28:05 Speaker 2: I don't know how much attention you guys pay attention

28:07 Speaker 2: to American politics. You probably at least a little bit,

28:11 Speaker 2: because it's unavoidable and it's it's all over the Yeah,

28:16 Speaker 2: it's it's very very messy right now. And of course

28:19 Speaker 2: TikTok became a political issue. So uh So, I don't know.

28:24 Speaker 2: As far as I know, TikTok is safe for now,

28:26 Speaker 2: but that could change in the next five minutes. I

28:29 Speaker 2: I really don't know.

28:34 Speaker 3: Look n Wi band and then that'll pass the time

28:37 Speaker 3: until it gets taken down again.

28:38 Speaker 10: There you go.

28:41 Speaker 16: There was there's a like a reality TV couple over

28:47 Speaker 16: here called Molly May and Tommy Fury. They yeah, they

28:54 Speaker 16: they seem to split up and get back together, and

28:56 Speaker 16: split up and get back to So every time they

28:58 Speaker 16: split up, my my nineteen year old always says to

29:02 Speaker 16: me that she she telled me that they split up

29:05 Speaker 16: and we track off a singles club called Molly Has

29:08 Speaker 16: Has It starts with no no no, Molly, No no no,

29:12 Speaker 16: And that's generally the feeling of the nation, I think.

29:15 Speaker 16: So every time you split up and go on TikTok

29:18 Speaker 16: and do some new bit for it, and ten thousand

29:20 Speaker 16: people actually stream and stream that stream the track Molly

29:25 Speaker 16: off off of TikTok.

29:26 Speaker 3: So so thank you to Molly May, whoever she may be.

29:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know what, I think, that's how we'll

29:34 Speaker 2: end the segment I was looking for. I was going

29:37 Speaker 2: to play another track, of course from singles Club to

29:39 Speaker 2: close out our conversation. I should play Molly since we

29:42 Speaker 2: were talking.

29:42 Speaker 3: About fantastic for it.

29:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, guys, Tony and Martin, thank you

29:47 Speaker 2: both so much. We're going to hit that track in

29:49 Speaker 2: a moment. We'll let you get going. But again, you've

29:51 Speaker 2: got a busy afternoon into the evening ahead, So good

29:56 Speaker 2: luck today. Congratulations and we will talk again soon. We oh,

30:00 Speaker 2: you've got plenty of new music coming, so we'll definitely

30:02 Speaker 2: talk to you again soon. And guys, thank you so much.

30:05 Speaker 3: Thank you for having us.

30:07 Speaker 2: You got it all right, guys, take care, bye bye bye.

30:12 Speaker 4: All right.

30:12 Speaker 2: That is Tony and Martin from the acoustic duo from

30:16 Speaker 2: the UK Naked Without It. Those guys are a lot

30:18 Speaker 2: of fun and I love their music and they've got

30:21 Speaker 2: a big opportunity today at HMV uh so that's very cool.

30:25 Speaker 2: Please if you happen to be over there, check them out.

30:27 Speaker 2: And as promised, we will end the segment with this.

30:30 Speaker 2: This is another track from their release Singles Club, and

30:34 Speaker 2: this is called Molly No.

30:38 Speaker 14: Molly, Oh Molly, Molly, No, Molly, No, Molly, no, Molly No.

31:19 Speaker 15: Molly's gonna be a movie stars since five years old.

31:22 Speaker 15: She's gonna go far, gonna get herself fuck found. The

31:26 Speaker 15: scream knows exactly where she wants to fig Nothing's gonna

31:30 Speaker 15: catch and Molly's way all playing out.

31:33 Speaker 2: She could see the tack.

31:34 Speaker 14: Under Hollywood Walker fame, carving out Molly's name.

31:40 Speaker 18: No no, no, Molly, no no no, Molly no no no,

31:47 Speaker 18: Molly no no no no Old Molly, no, no, no,

31:55 Speaker 18: oh Molly, no no, no, no, Molly no.

32:01 Speaker 15: Stevee's gonna be a football star. Daddy told him he's

32:05 Speaker 15: gonna go far, gonna get signed by the greatest team.

32:09 Speaker 15: He's gonna feel failed Daddy's drench. Stevie's gotta work to

32:13 Speaker 15: make it pay, But Steve's gonna make it anyway. Five

32:18 Speaker 15: the Cocaine, Far more fun, always gonna be the chosen world.

32:22 Speaker 18: But nope, no no Molly, no no, Molly, you do

32:29 Speaker 18: no no Molly, no no no no, oh Molly, you

32:36 Speaker 18: know no no, oh Molly, you do no no Molly. Now,

33:07 Speaker 18: life is life.

33:08 Speaker 14: Molly's gonna be Stevie's why.

33:10 Speaker 3: I's gonna be home in a.

33:12 Speaker 18: Little challenge you point for and a pretty gown baby

33:16 Speaker 18: on the way.

33:17 Speaker 14: He gotta layel around legs and money man.

33:21 Speaker 13: Moley sees life from the TV screen name Steedee and

33:24 Speaker 13: the pipe what could have been?

33:29 Speaker 18: No, no, no, no, Molly, no no, Molly, no no, Golly,

33:40 Speaker 18: no no no, Molly, you know no, no Molly.

33:45 Speaker 14: No no Balley. Molly's gonna be a movie star. Yea,

33:53 Speaker 14: Milly's gonna be a movie star.

33:55 Speaker 9: Yeah, Miley's gonna do a movie.

34:01 Speaker 3: Molly's going to be He's staring.

34:04 Speaker 18: Miley's going to be a movie star in Molly's gonna

34:07 Speaker 18: be No movies.

34:12 Speaker 14: No no, no, oh Molly, no no no oh Molly.

34:17 Speaker 14: No no no Molly, no no no no o' molly

34:25 Speaker 14: no no no o' molly, no no no Molly no.

34:35 Speaker 7: The Commander don't get supreme Lyada Maxwell coming.

34:45 Speaker 2: This is Matt Connorton Unleashed. We are live from the

34:48 Speaker 2: studios of w m n H ninety five point three

34:51 Speaker 2: f M and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire, and of course

34:55 Speaker 2: today if you are listening live it it's Saturday March eight,

34:59 Speaker 2: two thousand to twenty five. Jenny is here, of course

35:02 Speaker 2: at the news table, and thank you again to the

35:04 Speaker 2: guys from Naked Without. It always fun to talk to them.

35:07 Speaker 2: It's cool that they get to do an instore.

35:09 Speaker 9: Event, right, that's really cool.

35:11 Speaker 2: That's a lot.

35:11 Speaker 9: I think.

35:12 Speaker 2: What weekend is it? Yes, we get to spring ahead forward, Yeah,

35:18 Speaker 2: which messes with a lot of people. It's never bothered me,

35:22 Speaker 2: but a lot of people have difficulty with the time change.

35:24 Speaker 19: I want to change it and leave it there. Yeah,

35:26 Speaker 19: I mean I want to change it again. I want

35:28 Speaker 19: to change to leave it there, keep the extra sunlight

35:30 Speaker 19: and stop it.

35:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't care. I don't care either way,

35:33 Speaker 2: to be honest with you. But I'm always happy in

35:35 Speaker 2: the sense that at least when we do change the

35:38 Speaker 2: clock going into spring, it's like, okay, it's spring, even

35:41 Speaker 2: though technically it's not until the twentieth but still it

35:43 Speaker 2: just makes it makes it feel more like spring. And

35:46 Speaker 2: the weather's warmer, and my sinuses are stuffy, which is

35:50 Speaker 2: of course the sign of spring. I always say, never

35:52 Speaker 2: mind the groundhog. My sinuses will tell us when it's springtime.

35:55 Speaker 2: And according to my sinuses, springtime is now.

35:58 Speaker 9: It's sprung.

35:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, So again, we've got a lot of

36:03 Speaker 2: show to go today, we have a very busy show.

36:05 Speaker 2: Elijah Jenkins, another great UK artist, is going to be

36:08 Speaker 2: joining us at the top of the hour, and we

36:11 Speaker 2: recently did the American radio premiere of his newest track

36:17 Speaker 2: Stay Tonight, and He's got He's got a bunch of

36:19 Speaker 2: he's got a bunch of great songs. But looking forward

36:21 Speaker 2: to speaking with him. And then and then at ten

36:25 Speaker 2: thirty am Eastern time, we have Harry Zack phazakly I

36:31 Speaker 2: practiced saying his name, and now I can't remember how

36:34 Speaker 2: to say it. Fazakerlely. I think it's Fazakerly. I will

36:37 Speaker 2: get clarification from him when he's on the air. I

36:41 Speaker 2: believe it's Fazakerly. Harry Fazackerly, another young in his teens,

36:46 Speaker 2: but he's doing this incredible music and so he's got

36:49 Speaker 2: a great new track called I Want to Go Home,

36:51 Speaker 2: and today will be the American radio premiere of his

36:54 Speaker 2: new single, So looking forward to speaking with him. And

36:57 Speaker 2: then in the third hour we have the band Sick

36:59 Speaker 2: Dude hell Yeah coming in and really looking forward to that.

37:03 Speaker 2: And yes that is the name of the band, Sick

37:04 Speaker 2: Dude hell Yeah. Yeah yeah, very cool. So so we've

37:09 Speaker 2: got a very busy show for you ahead, and of

37:10 Speaker 2: course we did open the show with a couple of

37:12 Speaker 2: world radio premieres today, the brand new track from Chasing

37:15 Speaker 2: the Devil. It's been on streaming platforms for a couple

37:17 Speaker 2: of weeks now, I believe, but today was the first

37:19 Speaker 2: time that we've heard the track Morning Star on FM

37:23 Speaker 2: terrestrial radio. And love those guys so much. Everything they

37:26 Speaker 2: do is amazing. And we also world premiered the new

37:28 Speaker 2: Sepsis track called Play the Game. So lots going on,

37:32 Speaker 2: and of course you know we have our American radio

37:34 Speaker 2: premieres today as well, or one of course from Harry

37:38 Speaker 2: Harry Fazakerley to American premiers. Who's the other one.

37:45 Speaker 1: Who?

37:47 Speaker 2: No, Harry Fazakerley is the only American radio premiere this week.

37:51 Speaker 2: If you're thinking of Elijah Jenkins, we already did the

37:53 Speaker 2: premiere for his new song just today, but today we're

37:56 Speaker 2: going to actually get to speak with him. So looking

37:58 Speaker 2: forward to that. I did, I got it, Looking forward

38:00 Speaker 2: to that. We should too. You've got a big event

38:03 Speaker 2: coming up, another big art show coming.

38:05 Speaker 19: Up, Yes, the Uncensored Underground Art Experience on March fifteenth,

38:10 Speaker 19: from six to eight pm at twenty Garden Walk here

38:14 Speaker 19: in the Queen City of Manchester. A showcase of political,

38:17 Speaker 19: provocative and other anti censorship art not safe for work

38:23 Speaker 19: and not suitable for all audiences, featuring work by Hazel Grindarck, Dapper,

38:29 Speaker 19: Tom Borsia Jones and many many more.

38:32 Speaker 9: So come on down. I will be there.

38:34 Speaker 19: Matt will be there on March fifteenth from six to eight.

38:37 Speaker 19: I am proud to say that I have some of

38:40 Speaker 19: my I don't know exactly how many paintings they hung.

38:42 Speaker 19: They asked me to bring down the entire collection, which

38:45 Speaker 19: is five very large paintings that have.

38:48 Speaker 9: To do with insurance.

38:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, the insurance collection specifically, not your entire collection of

38:53 Speaker 2: everything you've done, Yeah.

38:55 Speaker 19: Just the insurance collection, which is the collection of five

38:57 Speaker 19: different paintings. So I did bring them down there, and

38:58 Speaker 19: I'm excited to see which ones they chose to hang

39:02 Speaker 19: and what else is on display. So definitely join us

39:05 Speaker 19: March fifteenth from sixty eight at twenty Garden Walk here

39:10 Speaker 19: in Manchester the Uncensored Underground Art Experience.

39:15 Speaker 3: Very good.

39:15 Speaker 2: Congratulations on that. You should mention your website too, so

39:18 Speaker 2: people know where to keep up with all this stuff.

39:19 Speaker 1: That you're doing.

39:20 Speaker 19: Actually see the collection for yourself and much more information

39:23 Speaker 19: about me and my volunteerism at Gencoffee dot com j

39:27 Speaker 19: E N N C O F f e y dot com.

39:30 Speaker 19: And for those who wonder what that means, it means

39:33 Speaker 19: I am out there helping people fight to get the healthcare.

39:36 Speaker 9: They need to live.

39:37 Speaker 6: Yes.

39:38 Speaker 2: Absolutely, We've been talking a lot about AI on the show.

39:42 Speaker 2: Last week we did our experiment with Souno dot com

39:49 Speaker 2: where we made some tracks, and apparently it is even

39:53 Speaker 2: easier than I could have imagined.

39:55 Speaker 19: Too easy, stupid easy, Yeah, like really too easy. If

40:01 Speaker 19: you didn't hear the show last week, seriously, go back

40:02 Speaker 19: and listen to it. Yeah, we didn't give it a ton,

40:06 Speaker 19: just some basic info and it actually spit out some

40:10 Speaker 19: decent music.

40:11 Speaker 9: And it's concerning because how do you know that's AI?

40:17 Speaker 19: Right, Like, you need AI to find out that it's AI,

40:21 Speaker 19: and then what music did they use to learn that?

40:24 Speaker 9: You're right? Yeah, nothing coming out of AI.

40:27 Speaker 19: Didn't have a human On the other end, they're they're

40:30 Speaker 19: taking all of the art, all of the creations from

40:34 Speaker 19: music genres across the spectrum, from artists everywhere, throwing that

40:38 Speaker 19: in a computer and having it spit back out. It's

40:41 Speaker 19: to me, it's still using other people's work. So that's

40:47 Speaker 19: my my I there has to be a way to

40:49 Speaker 19: tell the difference between real human creativity and AI.

40:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you go back and listen to last week's show,

40:57 Speaker 2: you can check out some of the tracks a week

41:00 Speaker 2: just with a simple prompt and what it was able

41:03 Speaker 2: to spit out. Suno dot Com is a service and

41:05 Speaker 2: they're actually they're free. The free version of the service

41:08 Speaker 2: is pretty generous. They give you, you know, you can

41:11 Speaker 2: make ten songs a month, which might not sound like

41:13 Speaker 2: a lot. But some of these services, you know, they

41:16 Speaker 2: they try to get you into a free trial and

41:18 Speaker 2: get you hooked on it so then you'll be willing

41:21 Speaker 2: to pay for it every month. But what Suno does

41:23 Speaker 2: is the free option that they offer is actually pretty good.

41:27 Speaker 2: But if you want to hear, so you can hear.

41:30 Speaker 2: What we did live on the air was something we'd

41:32 Speaker 2: wanted to get to for a while, just kind of

41:34 Speaker 2: an experiment of creating tracks using one of these AI services,

41:38 Speaker 2: and and we created several and and of course I

41:41 Speaker 2: did put the the mc hammer distracks because of course

41:43 Speaker 2: my long running feud with mc hammer going back six

41:47 Speaker 2: years now, Time listeners Effort six years now. Yes, uh

41:52 Speaker 2: we did.

41:54 Speaker 9: I did.

41:55 Speaker 2: We ended up making four distracts using Souno dot com

41:57 Speaker 2: and I did post them all on YouTube as well,

42:01 Speaker 2: So in your face Hammers. Yeah, that's right.

42:05 Speaker 19: So people did an article recently about Celine Dion, so

42:12 Speaker 19: the AI is crossing all gendres as far as what

42:14 Speaker 19: it's doing.

42:15 Speaker 9: But apparently Selene Dion did an.

42:17 Speaker 19: Instagram post this past Friday just yesterday calling out AI

42:25 Speaker 19: and saying that her voice has been allegedly used in

42:29 Speaker 19: an unsanctioned way that she did not approve of. That

42:33 Speaker 19: it sounds like it's her giving a performance. But it's

42:36 Speaker 19: not pretty upsetting when you can consider the fact that,

42:40 Speaker 19: I mean, for one thing, she's an amazing artist.

42:43 Speaker 9: But this woman is going through enough right now without

42:46 Speaker 9: this on top of it all.

42:48 Speaker 19: I mean, look, can we just say that, because I'm

42:50 Speaker 19: really this upset me to see, of all people, you

42:54 Speaker 19: got to go after somebody who's literally fighting for their life.

43:00 Speaker 19: That's pretty down and low and disgusting if you ask me.

43:04 Speaker 19: But to quota it said, it has come to our

43:06 Speaker 19: attention that I'm sanctioned AI generated music purporting to contain

43:11 Speaker 19: Celine Dion's musical performances and names and likenesses excuse me

43:16 Speaker 19: and name and likeness is currently circulating online and across

43:20 Speaker 19: various digital service providers.

43:23 Speaker 9: Please be advised that these.

43:24 Speaker 19: Recordings are fake and not approved, and are not songs

43:28 Speaker 19: from her official discography.

43:31 Speaker 2: So we should clarify this because I think I understand

43:35 Speaker 2: you know, I only had a chance to glance at

43:37 Speaker 2: this before, but I so because my first thought was well,

43:41 Speaker 2: how do you approve that her copyrighted work has been

43:44 Speaker 2: used to train these AI models? And then I realized

43:47 Speaker 2: that's not exactly what's happening here, right, people are creating

43:49 Speaker 2: AI versions and claiming it is her.

43:51 Speaker 19: Yes, okay, yeah, this is actually they're putting stuff out

43:54 Speaker 19: saying it's her, yeah, and it's it's not by any

43:57 Speaker 19: you know, so this so she just.

43:59 Speaker 2: Got, well, you know what this reminds me of? And

44:02 Speaker 2: this was over a year ago, I think now that

44:04 Speaker 2: we talked about it, somebody created on YouTube they posted

44:07 Speaker 2: an AI version of a brand new George Carlin album. Yes,

44:12 Speaker 2: remember we talked about that, and that was interesting. We

44:15 Speaker 2: actually played a little bit of it. We played the

44:18 Speaker 2: very beginning of it on the show because I'd already

44:20 Speaker 2: listened to it, so I knew where the first swear was,

44:22 Speaker 2: so I knew how far how far into it I

44:24 Speaker 2: could play because I wanted to give people an idea

44:26 Speaker 2: of what it sounded like and very real sound. It

44:28 Speaker 2: did sound very real, and not only that, I ended

44:30 Speaker 2: up listening to the entire hour. It actually was funny too,

44:34 Speaker 2: Like it wasn't like, okay, it sounded like his voice,

44:38 Speaker 2: but the jokes were really lame. Like I actually laughed

44:42 Speaker 2: listening to that special, which is part of why some

44:45 Speaker 2: people at the time were a little bit skeptical and

44:48 Speaker 2: probably still are that because the people who created it

44:52 Speaker 2: claimed that it was entirely AI generated, but some people

44:55 Speaker 2: listened to it and said, hmm, yeah, the voice maybe,

44:59 Speaker 2: But some of those jokes, there's no way those were

45:01 Speaker 2: written by AI. Those were inserted by who ever made it,

45:03 Speaker 2: but who knows. But yeah, you can make.

45:05 Speaker 9: Very That's something that anybody can really say.

45:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can make very realistic.

45:11 Speaker 12: With it.

45:12 Speaker 9: That's smart of what you give it.

45:13 Speaker 19: So if you fed everything to it of George Carlin,

45:16 Speaker 19: I actually don't doubt that it could write George Carlin

45:19 Speaker 19: jokes because it would have learned from that. You know,

45:21 Speaker 19: it's a computer what you feed it, right, all the

45:25 Speaker 19: bigga ones and zeros.

45:26 Speaker 2: But humor is Humor is different though. That's why I'm

45:30 Speaker 2: also I'm one of the people who is skeptical. But

45:32 Speaker 2: who knows. We'll probably never know the truth.

45:33 Speaker 9: I got you, yeah, but I mean.

45:35 Speaker 19: In April of last year, there were over two hundred

45:39 Speaker 19: artists that got together and created an Artist Rights Alliance

45:42 Speaker 19: and they sign letters and we're trying to get people

45:47 Speaker 19: to pay attention and saying that you know that they

45:50 Speaker 19: want they want laws to protect them, and they want

45:54 Speaker 19: AI developers to have some freaking morals, I think, and

45:59 Speaker 19: not steal from them, because it really is it's stealing

46:02 Speaker 19: somebody else's. Are you're stealing theon Celene Dion's voice? That's

46:09 Speaker 19: so wrong. It's more wrong by because of who they

46:13 Speaker 19: chose to pick on as somebody who's literally fighting for

46:15 Speaker 19: the If you don't know, Selene Dion has what's called

46:18 Speaker 19: stiff person syndrome. That's why she can't perform anymore. It

46:22 Speaker 19: only does on very very rare occasions. It's extraordinarily painful.

46:26 Speaker 19: She suffers immense, just chronic every day suffering that you

46:31 Speaker 19: cannot even imagine. And that's who they pick. They steal

46:34 Speaker 19: her voice, put music out there, claim it's her, trying

46:37 Speaker 19: to make money off of her.

46:38 Speaker 2: We'll also want to make a clear distinction here again

46:40 Speaker 2: going back to what's really happening in this instance, because

46:44 Speaker 2: you know, we've had a lot of conversations about generative AI,

46:49 Speaker 2: these large learning models. You know, they suck up all

46:52 Speaker 2: this information and all this art, all this creativity and

46:55 Speaker 2: then spit out what they spit out, and we've we've

46:57 Speaker 2: had conversations debating about whether that's okay or not. But

47:01 Speaker 2: this is different in that this because this is not

47:05 Speaker 2: there's no there's no ambiguity here, because this is fraud

47:08 Speaker 2: if you're creating something, because you can take the AI

47:11 Speaker 2: completely out of it. Let's let's say it's just somebody

47:15 Speaker 2: who does a really good impression of Celene Dion recording

47:18 Speaker 2: a song and then claiming that it is Selene Deon.

47:22 Speaker 2: That's out. That's outright fraud. If you create something and

47:25 Speaker 2: then and then and you claim it's something that it's not,

47:28 Speaker 2: that's that's fraud. There's no ambiguity there.

47:31 Speaker 9: But the only.

47:32 Speaker 19: Differences in this instance, because it's AI, they can make

47:36 Speaker 19: it sound just like her. It's not just kind of

47:39 Speaker 19: like it's just like her, you know, because computers can

47:42 Speaker 19: imitate everything, right, and these and what the Artist Rights

47:45 Speaker 19: Alliance is trying to do is protect each other. So

47:48 Speaker 19: when I'm talking about over two hundred like really big

47:51 Speaker 19: names signed on to this, like Billie Irish and and

47:54 Speaker 19: She's imagine Dragons, Sheryl Crow, Stevie Wonder, a whole lot

48:00 Speaker 19: of people and they they're from their perspective.

48:04 Speaker 9: And I want to give this quote because I think

48:06 Speaker 9: it's a great quote.

48:08 Speaker 19: They said quote Unfortunately, some platforms and developers are employing

48:12 Speaker 19: AI to sabotage creativity and undermined artists, songwriters, musicians, and

48:19 Speaker 19: rights holders. And I think that that's a very a

48:22 Speaker 19: very perfect statement. It is sabotaging their creativity. It's theft

48:26 Speaker 19: and fraud to steal somebody else's labors, turn it into

48:30 Speaker 19: whatever you want to turn it into. You know that

48:33 Speaker 19: it's and you know what, artists have enough problems these

48:37 Speaker 19: days making money off their own music.

48:39 Speaker 9: I mean we've talked about that before. What do they

48:42 Speaker 9: make less than what?

48:43 Speaker 12: Is it?

48:43 Speaker 9: A whatever?

48:46 Speaker 19: And it's not even a full penny off the spot? Right,

48:50 Speaker 19: So in the old days, you printed an album, you

48:52 Speaker 19: made your money off of in part apples sales, album sales,

48:56 Speaker 19: and then touring.

48:57 Speaker 9: These days you're making more of.

48:59 Speaker 19: Your money off of tour because you can't make as

49:01 Speaker 19: much money off at album sales.

49:03 Speaker 2: Although although what a lot of people don't realize is

49:06 Speaker 2: it's kind of it's it's it's uh in terms of

49:11 Speaker 2: trying to earn revenue from streaming, it's kind of a

49:13 Speaker 2: worse version of what was already the model, in the

49:17 Speaker 2: sense that you never really made that much off of

49:20 Speaker 2: album sales. This is something people don't know, and I've

49:24 Speaker 2: given this example before, but I remember when I was

49:27 Speaker 2: a kid when I first started to realize, because I

49:29 Speaker 2: was fascinated by all you know, all this stuff. I mean, AI,

49:32 Speaker 2: we didn't have yet. But when I was a kid,

49:34 Speaker 2: I was always very interested in the music industry and

49:35 Speaker 2: how it works. And I remember reading an interview with

49:38 Speaker 2: meat Loaf and he was talking about Bad Out of

49:40 Speaker 2: Hell and of course, which by now is probably sold

49:43 Speaker 2: and it might be it may have surpassed one hundred

49:45 Speaker 2: million at this point, but he was talking about how

49:48 Speaker 2: he didn't really make that much money, like he said,

49:50 Speaker 2: you know, he got like a quarter a quarter, like

49:53 Speaker 2: twenty five cents a quarter per unit sold. Wow, you know,

49:57 Speaker 2: And but that's that's not unusual.

49:59 Speaker 19: Although music didn't get in music kind of be transferred

50:02 Speaker 19: from one person to another in an album. Yeah, for

50:05 Speaker 19: at a cassette you couldn't just electronically, but it.

50:07 Speaker 2: Wasn't but it wasn't as much. That's why I like,

50:10 Speaker 2: sometimes every once in a while you'll hear a very

50:12 Speaker 2: successful I remember Kurt Cobain, you know, of course he

50:15 Speaker 2: took himself away from us very young. But I remember

50:18 Speaker 2: when Nirvana first got really big. He made a comment

50:21 Speaker 2: in an interview about you know, people think because we're famous,

50:24 Speaker 2: we're rich, and it's it doesn't work that way. He said,

50:26 Speaker 2: you'd be surprised how broke we are. And TLC we've

50:30 Speaker 2: talked about that a great example. They were triple platinum

50:32 Speaker 2: and broke. The money has always been in touring, the

50:36 Speaker 2: big money, and now even touring is is as that

50:39 Speaker 2: has become more cost prohibitive. Now the money really is

50:42 Speaker 2: in merch and of course licensing. You know, if you

50:44 Speaker 2: license your music, say to for a film or a

50:47 Speaker 2: TV series or something, then you can make a lot

50:50 Speaker 2: of money. There's always been a lot of money in

50:51 Speaker 2: licensing and that persists. But whatney do you think they

50:54 Speaker 2: make in licensing?

50:56 Speaker 19: Like when you're a venue having a license to be

50:59 Speaker 19: able to to have an artist come in and play

51:01 Speaker 19: certain songs. Venues can't have, can only have certain music

51:05 Speaker 19: that the license for. Do they get the artists make

51:08 Speaker 19: money off of that or is that really something that well, yeah,

51:10 Speaker 19: it doesn't get them much.

51:12 Speaker 2: It doesn't get them much. I mean those performing rights

51:15 Speaker 2: organizations like as CAP and BMI. Yeah, they're supposed to

51:19 Speaker 2: make sure that you get paid. But but but for

51:23 Speaker 2: that it's it's yeah, we're not We're talking about yeah,

51:25 Speaker 2: Spotify money.

51:26 Speaker 9: The bottom line, it's really hard for artists to be

51:28 Speaker 9: able to make money.

51:29 Speaker 19: So to have AI ripping off artists voices or you know,

51:33 Speaker 19: creating songs that they didn't even sing.

51:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is not good.

51:39 Speaker 9: And I I mean, I do believe and I do

51:41 Speaker 9: agree with it. I do believe that it does.

51:43 Speaker 19: They are correct in saying it's sabotage and creativity. It's

51:47 Speaker 19: stealing creativity, it's stealing the life's blood of an artist.

51:51 Speaker 19: You know, whatever I put on a piece of canvas

51:54 Speaker 19: came out of my me, right, I wouldn't you know

51:58 Speaker 19: what I mean you think about when I think of

52:00 Speaker 19: it that way, it's like a musician's song is their baby,

52:04 Speaker 19: that's their soul. You know what it actually brings up

52:06 Speaker 19: is I know it's slightly off, but when with Wren

52:10 Speaker 19: the artist, Wren the rapper, Wren, he used a piece

52:13 Speaker 19: of music, he spent like tune it all to buy

52:15 Speaker 19: it and Kujo another rapper or something had ownership over

52:23 Speaker 19: that piece, and when he saw Wren made so much money,

52:25 Speaker 19: he went and tried to sue.

52:26 Speaker 9: Him for it.

52:27 Speaker 2: Yeah what Yeah, we never really talked about it on

52:29 Speaker 2: the show. But yeah, that that turned into quite a mess.

52:31 Speaker 19: Oh but the but if if you want to hear

52:34 Speaker 19: a really great disc track, you got to listen to

52:36 Speaker 19: Wren's disk track on But.

52:38 Speaker 2: That wasn't even even an AI situation. It was it

52:41 Speaker 2: was over a sample. It was created.

52:43 Speaker 19: Yeah, this was trying and in in the disc track

52:47 Speaker 19: and what he would say and what Ren would say

52:49 Speaker 19: off airs. He's trying to steal my creativity. He's trying

52:53 Speaker 19: to steal my creat That song was so personable and

52:56 Speaker 19: so much of his own soul and lifeblood in there. Yeah,

53:00 Speaker 19: have somebody come along and say, that's not your creativity,

53:02 Speaker 19: it's mine. Yeah, from this two second whatever that he

53:06 Speaker 19: bought and paid for to use this, it's just a SoundBite.

53:09 Speaker 9: It's just a clip. Yeah, the whole song. It didn't

53:12 Speaker 9: you know, it's nothing like that.

53:13 Speaker 19: It's just a particular looping sound Yeah, and he bought

53:17 Speaker 19: and paid for it correctly. And this guy, you know,

53:20 Speaker 19: I want money, right, I see you making money.

53:22 Speaker 9: I want that money. Yeah, trying, But he Wren said

53:25 Speaker 9: the same thing.

53:26 Speaker 19: You're trying to steal my creativity, my creation, Yeah, and

53:31 Speaker 19: it so if you look at it in all these

53:33 Speaker 19: different situations, it's it is. It's stealing the very soul,

53:37 Speaker 19: lifeblood of an artist.

53:39 Speaker 7: Yeah.

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