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8:51 Speaker 2: Welcome everybody. It's Matt Connorton Unleashed. We are live from the studios of w M n H ninety five point three f m and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. Today is Saturday, March eight, twenty twenty five. Couple of world radio premieres for you. This morning. We had the new track from Chasing the Devil, which has been on streaming platforms for a couple of weeks, but the first time it has aired on FM terrestrial radio, a great track called Morning Star. And we also did the world radio premiere of the new track from Sepsis.

9:19 Speaker 2: It's called Play the Game. And we have a very busy show for you. I am not alone, of course, Jenny John.

9:35 Speaker 9: Jenny is here.

9:36 Speaker 2: Jenny is here at the news table.

9:37 Speaker 9: You step on my good morning, oh, good morning.

9:41 Speaker 2: Well usually I introduce you and then you say good morning sunshine. What's that Yeah, you're like what it just sounded funny? What there you go? That's better. Yeah, you weren't talking into it, well you were kind of it was kind of sideways like this was in front of view, but the mic was was a little off center. That's okay, No, it's better now. But we're gonna be uh, we're gonna go right into We've got a very busy show for you. So in just a couple of minutes, the guys from Naked Without It, one of our great friends from the UK, or two of our great friends.

10:17 Speaker 2: They're a duo, but one of the great acts that we like to talk with from the UK. They're gonna be skyping in. Uh they've got a very big event today that I know they're dying to talk about. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna gohead and play right now their newest single. It's called All the Drugs, and it was a few weeks ago or a couple of months ago. It all becomes a blur. But we did the American radio premiere of this track, the very first time it has been played on American radio. We did that here on WM and H on Matt connorton Unleashed.

10:45 Speaker 2: So we're gonna give that a spin right now, and then we're gonna have those guys joining us via skype and we can talk about what they've been up to and what they've got going on today. So they're seeing a lot of success there in the UK. Very happy for them, and uh, so here it is. This is really catchy. This is called All the Drugs and this is Naked Without It.

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11:11 Speaker 13: She said her taste of brick. She walked the streets of London pleasure she would see. She made the boy so happy, left them with a smile. She earned the most money and the king spinning him out.

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11:29 Speaker 13: The con across her eyes was the best that I ever seen.

11:33 Speaker 3: Took her to her restaurant.

11:34 Speaker 15: Her nails were painted black before the night through.

11:37 Speaker 13: While I was under attack. She gone round, she gone back, She gone and blown. She gone black. She gone around, she gone back, she gone blown, She gone black.

11:55 Speaker 2: Said you might not be sending around.

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11:58 Speaker 13: The sink it was written and then stuff I'm eating can't speak. Said I'm sorry, honey, I don't know what you're big. She said, to give me a whiskey and all the drugs are there?

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12:16 Speaker 2: The father was underground. Papa's hitting high was the rocker Penny sign.

12:21 Speaker 13: Wrong place, Wrong time, into my life. She gone five minutes, saying to show me the night.

12:31 Speaker 2: Shook off running. I got myself behind, but I could.

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12:37 Speaker 13: Told me Bertie Street that you didn't lie. My tool ain't no problem because the cat came home. She gone around, she gon back, she gone and blown. She gone black.

12:53 Speaker 13: She gone who around, she gone back, She gone and blown. She gone black. Said you might not be a sin of I'm sure you ain't, or sink hips and then stars I mean in that it.

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13:07 Speaker 13: I'm sorry, honey, I don't know what you mean. She said, give me a whiskey and all the drugs are deg you need. You might not be a sin of her I'm sure you ain't.

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14:13 Speaker 2: Such a great track. I love that that is called all the Drugs and it is the duo Naked without It and all the way from the UK, and I believe we have them on a sky pillow. Gentlemen, Good morning, hello, or it's probably it's afternoon there I assume right it is. Yes, Welcome back, guys. Hey, since the last time we talked, so for for the uninitiated, for those who have not heard our previous conversation, would you please each introduce yourselves, tell us what you do in this project Naked without It, who you are and what you do in the in the group.

14:50 Speaker 16: Monks, Tony I play, I sing and play rhythm guitar, and I'm Martin play other guitars and some homedies.

14:58 Speaker 2: Very good, very good tone Me and Martin. Welcome back, guys. Uh yeah we Uh. We had the honor and privilege of doing the American radio premiere for that track a bit ago and and lots of positive feedback. And it looks like you guys are having a lot of success there. Uh should we talk about you know, we'll circle back to it of course to remind people. But what have you got going on today? You've got you've got a pretty big event, right, Yeah, we're.

15:23 Speaker 16: Playing like there's a as we said, there's a there's a chain of music shops in Britain called hm v I.

15:31 Speaker 3: Then they came over, but they sort of they folded a bit at one point, didn't they.

15:35 Speaker 16: And I know there's something in Canada at one point and yes so, but they they've had a bit of a resurgence in England with the with the vinyl sort of return of vinyl over it.

15:46 Speaker 3: So they they've been doing pretty well.

15:49 Speaker 16: And yes, we're playing an HMV this afternoon about in about an hour and half something like that, So yeah, it begins, it's it's it's uh a place, a place called Stains on Tims, which is about twenty minutes out of out of London.

16:04 Speaker 2: Really, that's really cool that you're able to do that too, because you know doing in store events. You know, I used to work for trans World Entertainment, which owns you know, Americans will know Fye and strawberries for those who are older, and so I worked for them for many years and we used to put on in store events at the various locations that I worked at. In fact, we did a world radio premiere for the band Chasing the Devil this morning and one of the guys from Chasing the Devil wasn't a band called Purge d I, and we did a bigger in store event for them once that we put on and I used to love that was that was one of my favorite, absolute favorite things about working for that company was getting to do those.

16:48 Speaker 2: They were so much fun. But it's also one of those things that I think some people probably presume that those have gone by the wayside. That those don't happen anymore, but there's I know of a couple places in our area that have started doing them, you know, these sort of old school record stores which are still around and actually thriving in some cases, which is great to see. So it's it's nice that you're able to do that, and uh yeah, congratulations. That's a big opportunity that gets you a lot of exposure.

17:16 Speaker 2: And I'm sure you're gonna have a lot of people there, so you're gonna be you're going to be performing live obviously, right, it's not just the signing. You're going to perform, no, will be.

17:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, we do.

17:25 Speaker 16: We do like a forty five minute set and it's good fun because we have for sort of a you have a revolving audience, so there's different people coming in the shop all.

17:34 Speaker 3: The time as well.

17:35 Speaker 16: Yeah, so we hope, we hope they don't revolve too much, because if they come in and see us and internmentum revolve straight out of the door, it's not so good.

17:42 Speaker 3: But this one's this one's.

17:44 Speaker 2: Actually in the window of the shop, Oh perfect.

17:48 Speaker 3: As well, so.

17:50 Speaker 16: So we yeah, so anybody sort of wandering through the shop content that will just seize us or sees the back of us in the window.

17:56 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's quite amusing for us.

17:59 Speaker 2: Oh that's been fantastic. Yeah, yeah, I assume there will be video. I mean, obviously people will have their phones out, but I assume I assume you're going to be posting something officially as well, at least I would hope.

18:09 Speaker 11: So yeah, definitely, I mean it's always a good you know, we're in a sort of fairly limited space, so it's great to kind of get that kind of nice close up video and like you say, it's that kind of old school in store appearances. And I think it's good for people because you know, a lot of people they grow up in that sort of later generations that they just you know, they find stuff online or whatever, and to actually see something new in person is a great thing. So it's nice to get out and do that kind of stuff.

18:35 Speaker 11: And yeah, rich people who perhaps you know, wouldn't be checking us out normally, so the kids out on the Saturday afternoon.

18:42 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's good.

18:43 Speaker 2: Absolutely. So you're playing are you playing everything from Singles Club or are you also playing some of the older stuff or what's your what's your plan for your stat list, there's.

18:54 Speaker 16: Mostly singles club yeah, play, We've got, We've got, We've got one track from from the new EP called every Time. So we've got a new EP coming out on the twenty fifth of April, which is called twenty five eight Ring Lit Curls.

19:14 Speaker 3: That's going to be the name of the EPH.

19:17 Speaker 16: So that comes out on twenty fifth of April, three track EP, and we'll be doing the song every Time from that, and then I think as we go into the new EP series, we'll be dropping some of the older songs. I think, so for me, it's like a bit of this is one of the last times we'll probably play a couple of these.

19:39 Speaker 3: Songs for a while.

19:40 Speaker 1: Yeah.

19:40 Speaker 16: So yeah, So we've we've told people that if they want to hear some of those some of the singles club songs, then get down now because we'll be we'll be moving.

19:49 Speaker 3: On to the new stuff.

19:50 Speaker 2: Excellent. I'm really curious about the name of the upcoming EPH Can you can you say the name again? It was it was a little long. I'm not sure I car all of it, and can you tell us can you tell us what it means?

20:01 Speaker 16: Well, we're going to do four three track EPs, across the next year, so one every three months, and so we we called we decided to call a series twenty five eight because the way me and M work generally through the day, twenty four sevens not long enough, so we made it.

20:23 Speaker 3: Twenty five eight. And there's a line in.

20:27 Speaker 16: One of the songs which is called Girl at the Bar,

20:32 Speaker 16: and that is just just just to warn America it is.

20:36 Speaker 3: The best country song ever written.

20:42 Speaker 16: So we'll let you have when that comes out, and make sure you get that you can spread that across America for us.

20:49 Speaker 3: I hate to read it for Nashville, but I'm afraid. We've talked to me.

20:53 Speaker 16: And one of the lines is about a girl who had ringlet curls. So it's called twenty five eight with curls. And then the next DP will be twenty five eight something else. When we decide what's song.

21:06 Speaker 2: Oh very cool. I like the whole I like the whole concept.

21:10 Speaker 3: Good folks.

21:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we did it last year.

21:13 Speaker 16: We did it last year when we did Singles Club where we were putting out a single every six weeks, and then we decided this for this year to do twenty five eight. And that's actually going to work out as pretty much a single every four weeks, so we've given ourselves even more work hence twenty five eight.

21:29 Speaker 2: What's behind the strategy there? Because you know, obviously you have enough material to do. You know, if you wanted to just put out a full album of new material. It sounds like because I assume you guys are always writing like why why are you doing it this way? And it is it a matter I mean, I'm guessing it's a matter of you know, it always gives you new new things to post, new things to put out there for people to listen to. I assume I can.

21:53 Speaker 16: Feel Martin hatching a very good reply, which is great, But my first thought about why are you doing this?

21:59 Speaker 3: I was stupid. You are kind of space it out over over time because you know.

22:09 Speaker 11: It's that thing we've talked about four about you know, something is very instant and people will listen to it, you know, for a short amount of time. You know, maybe they'll listen to one or two songs and then they'll move on to something else. So give the opportunity to you know, we're putting out three songs at a time and then a few you know, weeks later, we put out three more so you can still have that full collection ultimately, but just it just gives it, you know, that concert thing, rather than we do one thing and then.

22:34 Speaker 3: Disappear for a year with new music. Then we've got always got new music coming out, you know, and that keeps us on our toes. You know, Tony is always writing.

22:42 Speaker 11: So if we didn't do that, you know, we'd have to put out you know, sort of double albums every six months.

22:48 Speaker 7: Right.

22:50 Speaker 3: And I think that Mark says that the music now is so immediate, isn't it.

22:55 Speaker 16: Everybody wants something new, something new, something new, and you I mean bands used to sort of like disappear for two years, didn't they They two years and go away.

23:05 Speaker 3: I think now if we went away for two years and came back, no, you don't know who we were, so we we were. We just so it's like just constantly doing them.

23:14 Speaker 16: I mean, as like man says, I do I have it's quite I get quite lucky with with with the lyrics and things.

23:23 Speaker 3: Song I was.

23:24 Speaker 16: I'm not really told this much, but I like Keith Richards always used to say that songs just sort of like float by and you have to grab them. And Noel Gallagher says the same thing. You have to get them as they go and buy Obviously, I would say Keith gets the best.

23:39 Speaker 3: Keith used to get the best.

23:40 Speaker 16: He doesn't get them anymore, so you have to sort of So I find they sort of arrive sometimes like that and you just get an.

23:48 Speaker 3: Idea and you have to run with that. But yeah, yeah, I don't know where they come from. It just appear. And I really buy into that though. They just appear sometimes, and you have if you don't grab them, then it really is.

24:00 Speaker 16: If you don't grab them and write them down or stick them on your phone now, then then they're gone because you forget them the next morning, you forget the idea completely.

24:08 Speaker 3: So yeah, we have we have quite a few. We have quite a few that turn up all the time. And technology is so it's better now as well that you can do that.

24:15 Speaker 11: You know, the days of wake up the middle the night and writing something down on a bed of paper next to the bed and then wondering on what you were talking about when you wrote that down isn't the same because now you can see things into your phone or you can record things you know much more accessibly, so it gives you a much wider. I mean we've both got you know, hundreds of voice notes on our phones of ideas and parts and things that you do.

24:37 Speaker 3: And it's great to kind of look back there and go.

24:38 Speaker 11: Oh, yeah, we remember we did that, because you know, it might be a rehearsal, it might be you know, at a gig or wherever it is, and you do it in the moment, but then you go off and do other things. And so to be able to come back and have that record because sometimes you know, you get great ideas and like you say, if you don't note them down, they're lost forever, you know. And so yeah, so it's really good. Technology in that way is very helpful for and and this is how we can speak to you.

25:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

25:04 Speaker 16: We can get over to you and like get ourselves onto sort of heard of in New Hampshire, which is amazing.

25:11 Speaker 17: Yeah.

25:12 Speaker 2: Well, we're very happy to uh, you know, to help you enter the American radio market of course. And and you know what you were talking to about, uh, what you were talking about in terms of documenting these ideas as they happen and how technology can help you do that and whatnot. There was a documentary I saw a very long time ago about Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys, and a family member of his had heard him playing a song at the piano because he always had a million ideas and he's playing this song.

25:37 Speaker 2: I guess it was at night and he was getting ready for bed and he comes up with the song and someone, his daughter or somebody says to him, that's that's amazing. You've got to record that. You've got a demo that that's that's one of the greatest things you've ever done. And Brian Wilson, you know, because he was a little you know, he was odd. Uh you know, he had a lot of problems of course, which is complicated, but but he just kind of shrugs and says, I'll have another idea tomorrow and it goes to bed.

26:07 Speaker 2: But but he also had that confidence where he just he probably did have a great idea the next day too. But yeah, it's just funny.

26:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the way.

26:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is nice. It is nice to live in a time where you can you can document these ideas and then uh, you know, and I think your whole approach is great, you guys, So you guys are going on So for anyone listening where you are who might be because again technology we're able to you know, you can stream the show from anywhere in the world. What time were you guys going on again at HMV.

26:40 Speaker 3: We're on four o'clock, four o'clock after and it's now help us two.

26:44 Speaker 16: Okay, so we're at four o'clock and it's, as you said, forty five minute.

26:49 Speaker 3: Set, okay of old ones and new ones. So yeah, it should be.

26:53 Speaker 2: Good, outstanding, outstanding, and uh, well, we we'll let you guys. We'll let you guys get going because you've got a you've got a bus the busy rest of the day ahead. But congratulations on that. That's great. I can't wait to see some video of it online. I'm sure it's gonna go great. And where where should people go? Where the where's the best place for people to go who want to follow you guys online naked without it? Where's uh, where's the best place to go to keep up with everything that you're doing?

27:19 Speaker 1: Sure?

27:20 Speaker 11: So all the socials we are n w I band and you can find us on Facebook, Twitter or x Instagram.

27:29 Speaker 3: Band camp were on there as well.

27:31 Speaker 11: And yeah, TikTok Big TikToker is Tiktokye tiktoks?

27:35 Speaker 16: How how's how's TikTok going over there? Because at one point wasn't it? Donald said he wasn't having.

27:41 Speaker 2: It, and then he said he was this This exact subject came up recently with another guest, I think a couple of weeks ago. Uh So, it was gone for I think one day, and then it was back, and now nobody's talking about it like you know it was it was. It was banned for for a full day and then it just was back. And I don't know, I don't know how much attention you guys pay attention to American politics. You probably at least a little bit, because it's unavoidable and it's it's all over the Yeah, it's it's very very messy right now.

28:18 Speaker 2: And of course TikTok became a political issue. So uh So, I don't know. As far as I know, TikTok is safe for now, but that could change in the next five minutes. I I really don't know.

28:34 Speaker 3: Look n Wi band and then that'll pass the time until it gets taken down again.

28:38 Speaker 10: There you go.

28:41 Speaker 16: There was there's a like a reality TV couple over here called Molly May and Tommy Fury. They yeah, they they seem to split up and get back together, and split up and get back to So every time they split up, my my nineteen year old always says to me that she she telled me that they split up and we track off a singles club called Molly Has Has It starts with no no no, Molly, No no no, And that's generally the feeling of the nation, I think. So every time you split up and go on TikTok and do some new bit for it, and ten thousand people actually stream and stream that stream the track Molly off off of TikTok.

29:26 Speaker 3: So so thank you to Molly May, whoever she may be.

29:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know what, I think, that's how we'll end the segment I was looking for. I was going to play another track, of course from singles Club to close out our conversation. I should play Molly since we were talking.

29:42 Speaker 3: About fantastic for it.

29:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, guys, Tony and Martin, thank you both so much. We're going to hit that track in a moment. We'll let you get going. But again, you've got a busy afternoon into the evening ahead, So good luck today. Congratulations and we will talk again soon. We oh, you've got plenty of new music coming, so we'll definitely talk to you again soon. And guys, thank you so much.

30:05 Speaker 3: Thank you for having us.

30:07 Speaker 2: You got it all right, guys, take care, bye bye bye.

30:12 Speaker 4: All right.

30:12 Speaker 2: That is Tony and Martin from the acoustic duo from the UK Naked Without It. Those guys are a lot of fun and I love their music and they've got a big opportunity today at HMV uh so that's very cool. Please if you happen to be over there, check them out. And as promised, we will end the segment with this. This is another track from their release Singles Club, and this is called Molly No.

30:38 Speaker 14: Molly, Oh Molly, Molly, No, Molly, No, Molly, no, Molly No.

31:19 Speaker 15: Molly's gonna be a movie stars since five years old. She's gonna go far, gonna get herself fuck found. The scream knows exactly where she wants to fig Nothing's gonna catch and Molly's way all playing out.

31:33 Speaker 2: She could see the tack.

31:34 Speaker 14: Under Hollywood Walker fame, carving out Molly's name.

31:40 Speaker 18: No no, no, Molly, no no no, Molly no no no, Molly no no no no Old Molly, no, no, no, oh Molly, no no, no, no, Molly no.

32:01 Speaker 15: Stevee's gonna be a football star. Daddy told him he's gonna go far, gonna get signed by the greatest team. He's gonna feel failed Daddy's drench. Stevie's gotta work to make it pay, But Steve's gonna make it anyway. Five the Cocaine, Far more fun, always gonna be the chosen world.

32:22 Speaker 18: But nope, no no Molly, no no, Molly, you do no no Molly, no no no no, oh Molly, you know no no, oh Molly, you do no no Molly. Now,

33:07 Speaker 18: life is life.

33:08 Speaker 14: Molly's gonna be Stevie's why.

33:10 Speaker 3: I's gonna be home in a.

33:12 Speaker 18: Little challenge you point for and a pretty gown baby on the way.

33:17 Speaker 14: He gotta layel around legs and money man.

33:21 Speaker 13: Moley sees life from the TV screen name Steedee and the pipe what could have been?

33:29 Speaker 18: No, no, no, no, Molly, no no, Molly, no no, Golly,

33:40 Speaker 18: no no no, Molly, you know no, no Molly.

33:45 Speaker 14: No no Balley. Molly's gonna be a movie star. Yea, Milly's gonna be a movie star.

33:55 Speaker 9: Yeah, Miley's gonna do a movie.

34:01 Speaker 3: Molly's going to be He's staring.

34:04 Speaker 18: Miley's going to be a movie star in Molly's gonna be No movies.

34:12 Speaker 14: No no, no, oh Molly, no no no oh Molly. No no no Molly, no no no no o' molly no no no o' molly, no no no Molly no.

34:35 Speaker 7: The Commander don't get supreme Lyada Maxwell coming.

34:45 Speaker 2: This is Matt Connorton Unleashed. We are live from the studios of w m n H ninety five point three f M and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire, and of course today if you are listening live it it's Saturday March eight, two thousand to twenty five. Jenny is here, of course at the news table, and thank you again to the guys from Naked Without. It always fun to talk to them. It's cool that they get to do an instore.

35:09 Speaker 9: Event, right, that's really cool.

35:11 Speaker 2: That's a lot.

35:11 Speaker 9: I think.

35:12 Speaker 2: What weekend is it? Yes, we get to spring ahead forward, Yeah, which messes with a lot of people. It's never bothered me, but a lot of people have difficulty with the time change.

35:24 Speaker 19: I want to change it and leave it there. Yeah, I mean I want to change it again. I want to change to leave it there, keep the extra sunlight and stop it.

35:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't care. I don't care either way, to be honest with you. But I'm always happy in the sense that at least when we do change the clock going into spring, it's like, okay, it's spring, even though technically it's not until the twentieth but still it just makes it makes it feel more like spring. And the weather's warmer, and my sinuses are stuffy, which is of course the sign of spring. I always say, never mind the groundhog. My sinuses will tell us when it's springtime. And according to my sinuses, springtime is now.

35:58 Speaker 9: It's sprung.

35:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, So again, we've got a lot of show to go today, we have a very busy show. Elijah Jenkins, another great UK artist, is going to be joining us at the top of the hour, and we recently did the American radio premiere of his newest track Stay Tonight, and He's got He's got a bunch of he's got a bunch of great songs. But looking forward to speaking with him. And then and then at ten thirty am Eastern time, we have Harry Zack phazakly I practiced saying his name, and now I can't remember how to say it.

36:34 Speaker 2: Fazakerlely. I think it's Fazakerly. I will get clarification from him when he's on the air. I believe it's Fazakerly. Harry Fazackerly, another young in his teens, but he's doing this incredible music and so he's got a great new track called I Want to Go Home, and today will be the American radio premiere of his new single, So looking forward to speaking with him. And then in the third hour we have the band Sick Dude hell Yeah coming in and really looking forward to that. And yes that is the name of the band, Sick Dude hell Yeah.

37:06 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, very cool. So so we've got a very busy show for you ahead, and of course we did open the show with a couple of world radio premieres today, the brand new track from Chasing the Devil. It's been on streaming platforms for a couple of weeks now, I believe, but today was the first time that we've heard the track Morning Star on FM terrestrial radio. And love those guys so much. Everything they do is amazing. And we also world premiered the new Sepsis track called Play the Game. So lots going on, and of course you know we have our American radio premieres today as well, or one of course from Harry Harry Fazakerley to American premiers.

37:40 Speaker 2: Who's the other one.

37:45 Speaker 1: Who?

37:47 Speaker 2: No, Harry Fazakerley is the only American radio premiere this week. If you're thinking of Elijah Jenkins, we already did the premiere for his new song just today, but today we're going to actually get to speak with him. So looking forward to that. I did, I got it, Looking forward to that. We should too. You've got a big event coming up, another big art show coming.

38:05 Speaker 19: Up, Yes, the Uncensored Underground Art Experience on March fifteenth, from six to eight pm at twenty Garden Walk here in the Queen City of Manchester. A showcase of political, provocative and other anti censorship art not safe for work and not suitable for all audiences, featuring work by Hazel Grindarck, Dapper, Tom Borsia Jones and many many more.

38:32 Speaker 9: So come on down. I will be there.

38:34 Speaker 19: Matt will be there on March fifteenth from six to eight. I am proud to say that I have some of my I don't know exactly how many paintings they hung. They asked me to bring down the entire collection, which is five very large paintings that have.

38:48 Speaker 9: To do with insurance.

38:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, the insurance collection specifically, not your entire collection of everything you've done, Yeah.

38:55 Speaker 19: Just the insurance collection, which is the collection of five different paintings. So I did bring them down there, and I'm excited to see which ones they chose to hang and what else is on display. So definitely join us March fifteenth from sixty eight at twenty Garden Walk here in Manchester the Uncensored Underground Art Experience.

39:15 Speaker 3: Very good.

39:15 Speaker 2: Congratulations on that. You should mention your website too, so people know where to keep up with all this stuff.

39:19 Speaker 1: That you're doing.

39:20 Speaker 19: Actually see the collection for yourself and much more information about me and my volunteerism at Gencoffee dot com j E N N C O F f e y dot com. And for those who wonder what that means, it means I am out there helping people fight to get the healthcare.

39:36 Speaker 9: They need to live.

39:37 Speaker 6: Yes.

39:38 Speaker 2: Absolutely, We've been talking a lot about AI on the show. Last week we did our experiment with Souno dot com where we made some tracks, and apparently it is even easier than I could have imagined.

39:55 Speaker 19: Too easy, stupid easy, Yeah, like really too easy. If you didn't hear the show last week, seriously, go back and listen to it. Yeah, we didn't give it a ton, just some basic info and it actually spit out some decent music.

40:11 Speaker 9: And it's concerning because how do you know that's AI?

40:17 Speaker 19: Right, Like, you need AI to find out that it's AI, and then what music did they use to learn that?

40:24 Speaker 9: You're right? Yeah, nothing coming out of AI.

40:27 Speaker 19: Didn't have a human On the other end, they're they're taking all of the art, all of the creations from music genres across the spectrum, from artists everywhere, throwing that in a computer and having it spit back out. It's to me, it's still using other people's work. So that's my my I there has to be a way to tell the difference between real human creativity and AI.

40:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you go back and listen to last week's show, you can check out some of the tracks a week just with a simple prompt and what it was able to spit out. Suno dot Com is a service and they're actually they're free. The free version of the service is pretty generous. They give you, you know, you can make ten songs a month, which might not sound like a lot. But some of these services, you know, they they try to get you into a free trial and get you hooked on it so then you'll be willing to pay for it every month.

41:22 Speaker 2: But what Suno does is the free option that they offer is actually pretty good. But if you want to hear, so you can hear. What we did live on the air was something we'd wanted to get to for a while, just kind of an experiment of creating tracks using one of these AI services, and and we created several and and of course I did put the the mc hammer distracks because of course my long running feud with mc hammer going back six years now, Time listeners Effort six years now. Yes, uh we did.

41:54 Speaker 9: I did.

41:55 Speaker 2: We ended up making four distracts using Souno dot com and I did post them all on YouTube as well, So in your face Hammers. Yeah, that's right.

42:05 Speaker 19: So people did an article recently about Celine Dion, so the AI is crossing all gendres as far as what it's doing.

42:15 Speaker 9: But apparently Selene Dion did an.

42:17 Speaker 19: Instagram post this past Friday just yesterday calling out AI and saying that her voice has been allegedly used in an unsanctioned way that she did not approve of. That it sounds like it's her giving a performance. But it's not pretty upsetting when you can consider the fact that, I mean, for one thing, she's an amazing artist.

42:43 Speaker 9: But this woman is going through enough right now without this on top of it all.

42:48 Speaker 19: I mean, look, can we just say that, because I'm really this upset me to see, of all people, you got to go after somebody who's literally fighting for their life. That's pretty down and low and disgusting if you ask me. But to quota it said, it has come to our attention that I'm sanctioned AI generated music purporting to contain Celine Dion's musical performances and names and likenesses excuse me and name and likeness is currently circulating online and across various digital service providers.

43:23 Speaker 9: Please be advised that these.

43:24 Speaker 19: Recordings are fake and not approved, and are not songs from her official discography.

43:31 Speaker 2: So we should clarify this because I think I understand you know, I only had a chance to glance at this before, but I so because my first thought was well, how do you approve that her copyrighted work has been used to train these AI models? And then I realized that's not exactly what's happening here, right, people are creating AI versions and claiming it is her.

43:51 Speaker 19: Yes, okay, yeah, this is actually they're putting stuff out saying it's her, yeah, and it's it's not by any you know, so this so she just.

43:59 Speaker 2: Got, well, you know what this reminds me of? And this was over a year ago, I think now that we talked about it, somebody created on YouTube they posted an AI version of a brand new George Carlin album. Yes, remember we talked about that, and that was interesting. We actually played a little bit of it. We played the very beginning of it on the show because I'd already listened to it, so I knew where the first swear was, so I knew how far how far into it I could play because I wanted to give people an idea of what it sounded like and very real sound.

44:28 Speaker 2: It did sound very real, and not only that, I ended up listening to the entire hour. It actually was funny too, Like it wasn't like, okay, it sounded like his voice, but the jokes were really lame. Like I actually laughed listening to that special, which is part of why some people at the time were a little bit skeptical and probably still are that because the people who created it claimed that it was entirely AI generated, but some people listened to it and said, hmm, yeah, the voice maybe, But some of those jokes, there's no way those were written by AI.

45:01 Speaker 2: Those were inserted by who ever made it, but who knows. But yeah, you can make.

45:05 Speaker 9: Very That's something that anybody can really say.

45:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can make very realistic.

45:11 Speaker 12: With it.

45:12 Speaker 9: That's smart of what you give it.

45:13 Speaker 19: So if you fed everything to it of George Carlin, I actually don't doubt that it could write George Carlin jokes because it would have learned from that. You know, it's a computer what you feed it, right, all the bigga ones and zeros.

45:26 Speaker 2: But humor is Humor is different though. That's why I'm also I'm one of the people who is skeptical. But who knows. We'll probably never know the truth.

45:33 Speaker 9: I got you, yeah, but I mean.

45:35 Speaker 19: In April of last year, there were over two hundred artists that got together and created an Artist Rights Alliance and they sign letters and we're trying to get people to pay attention and saying that you know that they want they want laws to protect them, and they want AI developers to have some freaking morals, I think, and not steal from them, because it really is it's stealing somebody else's. Are you're stealing theon Celene Dion's voice? That's so wrong. It's more wrong by because of who they chose to pick on as somebody who's literally fighting for the If you don't know, Selene Dion has what's called stiff person syndrome.

46:19 Speaker 19: That's why she can't perform anymore. It only does on very very rare occasions. It's extraordinarily painful. She suffers immense, just chronic every day suffering that you cannot even imagine. And that's who they pick. They steal her voice, put music out there, claim it's her, trying to make money off of her.

46:38 Speaker 2: We'll also want to make a clear distinction here again going back to what's really happening in this instance, because you know, we've had a lot of conversations about generative AI, these large learning models. You know, they suck up all this information and all this art, all this creativity and then spit out what they spit out, and we've we've had conversations debating about whether that's okay or not. But this is different in that this because this is not there's no there's no ambiguity here, because this is fraud if you're creating something, because you can take the AI completely out of it.

47:13 Speaker 2: Let's let's say it's just somebody who does a really good impression of Celene Dion recording a song and then claiming that it is Selene Deon. That's out. That's outright fraud. If you create something and then and then and you claim it's something that it's not, that's that's fraud. There's no ambiguity there.

47:31 Speaker 9: But the only.

47:32 Speaker 19: Differences in this instance, because it's AI, they can make it sound just like her. It's not just kind of like it's just like her, you know, because computers can imitate everything, right, and these and what the Artist Rights Alliance is trying to do is protect each other. So when I'm talking about over two hundred like really big names signed on to this, like Billie Irish and and She's imagine Dragons, Sheryl Crow, Stevie Wonder, a whole lot of people and they they're from their perspective.

48:04 Speaker 9: And I want to give this quote because I think it's a great quote.

48:08 Speaker 19: They said quote Unfortunately, some platforms and developers are employing AI to sabotage creativity and undermined artists, songwriters, musicians, and rights holders. And I think that that's a very a very perfect statement. It is sabotaging their creativity. It's theft and fraud to steal somebody else's labors, turn it into whatever you want to turn it into. You know that it's and you know what, artists have enough problems these days making money off their own music.

48:39 Speaker 9: I mean we've talked about that before. What do they make less than what?

48:43 Speaker 12: Is it?

48:43 Speaker 9: A whatever?

48:46 Speaker 19: And it's not even a full penny off the spot? Right, So in the old days, you printed an album, you made your money off of in part apples sales, album sales, and then touring.

48:57 Speaker 9: These days you're making more of.

48:59 Speaker 19: Your money off of tour because you can't make as much money off at album sales.

49:03 Speaker 2: Although although what a lot of people don't realize is it's kind of it's it's it's uh in terms of trying to earn revenue from streaming, it's kind of a worse version of what was already the model, in the sense that you never really made that much off of album sales. This is something people don't know, and I've given this example before, but I remember when I was a kid when I first started to realize, because I was fascinated by all you know, all this stuff. I mean, AI, we didn't have yet. But when I was a kid, I was always very interested in the music industry and how it works.

49:36 Speaker 2: And I remember reading an interview with meat Loaf and he was talking about Bad Out of Hell and of course, which by now is probably sold and it might be it may have surpassed one hundred million at this point, but he was talking about how he didn't really make that much money, like he said, you know, he got like a quarter a quarter, like twenty five cents a quarter per unit sold. Wow, you know, And but that's that's not unusual.

49:59 Speaker 19: Although music didn't get in music kind of be transferred from one person to another in an album. Yeah, for at a cassette you couldn't just electronically, but it.

50:07 Speaker 2: Wasn't but it wasn't as much. That's why I like, sometimes every once in a while you'll hear a very successful I remember Kurt Cobain, you know, of course he took himself away from us very young. But I remember when Nirvana first got really big. He made a comment in an interview about you know, people think because we're famous, we're rich, and it's it doesn't work that way. He said, you'd be surprised how broke we are. And TLC we've talked about that a great example. They were triple platinum and broke.

50:33 Speaker 2: The money has always been in touring, the big money, and now even touring is is as that has become more cost prohibitive. Now the money really is in merch and of course licensing. You know, if you license your music, say to for a film or a TV series or something, then you can make a lot of money. There's always been a lot of money in licensing and that persists. But whatney do you think they make in licensing?

50:56 Speaker 19: Like when you're a venue having a license to be able to to have an artist come in and play certain songs. Venues can't have, can only have certain music that the license for. Do they get the artists make money off of that or is that really something that well, yeah, it doesn't get them much.

51:12 Speaker 2: It doesn't get them much. I mean those performing rights organizations like as CAP and BMI. Yeah, they're supposed to make sure that you get paid. But but but for that it's it's yeah, we're not We're talking about yeah, Spotify money.

51:26 Speaker 9: The bottom line, it's really hard for artists to be able to make money.

51:29 Speaker 19: So to have AI ripping off artists voices or you know, creating songs that they didn't even sing.

51:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is not good.

51:39 Speaker 9: And I I mean, I do believe and I do agree with it. I do believe that it does.

51:43 Speaker 19: They are correct in saying it's sabotage and creativity. It's stealing creativity, it's stealing the life's blood of an artist. You know, whatever I put on a piece of canvas came out of my me, right, I wouldn't you know what I mean you think about when I think of it that way, it's like a musician's song is their baby, that's their soul. You know what it actually brings up is I know it's slightly off, but when with Wren the artist, Wren the rapper, Wren, he used a piece of music, he spent like tune it all to buy it and Kujo another rapper or something had ownership over that piece, and when he saw Wren made so much money, he went and tried to sue.

52:26 Speaker 9: Him for it.

52:27 Speaker 2: Yeah what Yeah, we never really talked about it on the show. But yeah, that that turned into quite a mess.

52:31 Speaker 19: Oh but the but if if you want to hear a really great disc track, you got to listen to Wren's disk track on But.

52:38 Speaker 2: That wasn't even even an AI situation. It was it was over a sample. It was created.

52:43 Speaker 19: Yeah, this was trying and in in the disc track and what he would say and what Ren would say off airs. He's trying to steal my creativity. He's trying to steal my creat That song was so personable and so much of his own soul and lifeblood in there. Yeah, have somebody come along and say, that's not your creativity, it's mine. Yeah, from this two second whatever that he bought and paid for to use this, it's just a SoundBite.

53:09 Speaker 9: It's just a clip. Yeah, the whole song. It didn't you know, it's nothing like that.

53:13 Speaker 19: It's just a particular looping sound Yeah, and he bought and paid for it correctly. And this guy, you know, I want money, right, I see you making money.

53:22 Speaker 9: I want that money. Yeah, trying, But he Wren said the same thing.

53:26 Speaker 19: You're trying to steal my creativity, my creation, Yeah, and it so if you look at it in all these different situations, it's it is. It's stealing the very soul, lifeblood of an artist.

53:39 Speaker 7: Yeah.

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