Matt Connarton Unleashed 3-1-25 hour 3

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0:04 Speaker 3: You are listening to W M n H ninety five

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1:46 Speaker 5: So I'll fine if you can't breathe that sekay.

1:57 Speaker 6: Sola can't pray. I can't see it's.

2:09 Speaker 1: All this bad and go on my mind with all the.

2:15 Speaker 7: Truth being come.

2:20 Speaker 4: At the age being so guy breathing deep be my life.

2:30 Speaker 4: If you take the bill as so.

2:38 Speaker 2: So way ba.

2:43 Speaker 5: Pray, I can't see with all this bad come my mind.

2:55 Speaker 5: I'm a can tell all I don't.

3:00 Speaker 4: I can't convis leave bouts mass but.

3:06 Speaker 6: Really I'm in it up to see the wood.

3:32 Speaker 8: So Coby best, I can't pray. I can't see you

3:51 Speaker 8: as all this bad.

3:54 Speaker 7: My That is called breakdown. That's the name of the song,

4:07 Speaker 7: and the project is called Becoming Human. Welcome everybody. We

4:10 Speaker 7: have entered our number three new marrow, Trace of Matt

4:13 Speaker 7: Connerton unleashed on this Saturday, March one, twenty twenty five.

4:19 Speaker 7: Jenny is here, of course at the news table, and

4:22 Speaker 7: we have joining us via skype let me get that

4:25 Speaker 7: up here. We've got my favorite band. Yeah, we've got

4:28 Speaker 7: Jordan Barney from Becoming Human on Skype with us.

4:32 Speaker 2: Jordan, are you there, I'm here, can you hear me?

4:34 Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah, you sound great. Love that love that track breakdown,

4:39 Speaker 7: very very catchy.

4:40 Speaker 2: Yank you so much.

4:41 Speaker 7: Absolutely absolutely Now, So tell us about Becoming Human, because

4:45 Speaker 7: now this is not a full band, right, this is

4:47 Speaker 7: a solo project.

4:49 Speaker 9: Well, this actually is in the last couple of years,

4:51 Speaker 9: has grown quite a bit. I do have a drummer now,

4:54 Speaker 9: and I have a I also have a bass player,

4:57 Speaker 9: but the bass player just joined the did play on

5:00 Speaker 9: that track.

5:01 Speaker 7: Oh okay, very cool, very cool. So is But it

5:05 Speaker 7: started out this started out just you right.

5:08 Speaker 2: Yes, yep. Yeah.

5:09 Speaker 9: So I was in a band for years and kind

5:12 Speaker 9: of wow myself kind of just alone now, and I

5:16 Speaker 9: was like, all right, well, let me time, let me

5:18 Speaker 9: just rebuild myself a little bit.

5:19 Speaker 2: I didn't.

5:19 Speaker 9: I wasn't always a singer before in my other band,

5:22 Speaker 9: I was just I was mostly like a me and

5:25 Speaker 9: I had a singer and we would write the songs

5:27 Speaker 9: together kind of. And then from yeah, from like twenty

5:30 Speaker 9: nineteen to twenty twenty two, I was like, all right,

5:32 Speaker 9: let me really take my singing more seriously. And yeah,

5:35 Speaker 9: so I just kind of started becoming human by myself

5:38 Speaker 9: and my old drummer actually who's he's in the band now,

5:41 Speaker 9: kind of took interest to it and he was like, hey,

5:44 Speaker 9: I remember asking him if he knew any drummers because

5:47 Speaker 9: he was super busy, like he was a he's a

5:49 Speaker 9: very busy guy, and he was like, I'll do it.

5:51 Speaker 2: I was like, awesome, Oh that is cool.

5:54 Speaker 7: Yeah, well that works right as somebody you've worked with before,

5:57 Speaker 7: and that's perfect, that's perfect. Yep. Where does the name

6:02 Speaker 7: come from? I'm curious if there's a particular meaning to

6:04 Speaker 7: you behind the name becoming human?

6:07 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so so I mean like the last.

6:10 Speaker 9: Five or six years for me have been kind of,

6:13 Speaker 9: uh yeah, like a rebuild a little bit. They A

6:18 Speaker 9: lot of my songs are very mental mental health related

6:21 Speaker 9: and kind of spreading the awareness of mental health, especially

6:24 Speaker 9: in men because they're For a while it was pretty stigmatized.

6:30 Speaker 9: And you know, I got the I got the whole,

6:32 Speaker 9: you know, even for my own mom be a man,

6:34 Speaker 9: man up when I was younger, you know. Uh so

6:38 Speaker 9: I kind of, you know, I'm slowly trying to become human,

6:42 Speaker 9: so you know, in a way kind of by you know,

6:46 Speaker 9: doing my therapy, doing getting in the gym all the time,

6:49 Speaker 9: and just kind of you know, being being myself.

6:54 Speaker 7: Yeah, I can relate to that, and I I really

6:56 Speaker 7: like what you're doing because I you know, I'm someone

6:59 Speaker 7: who I've struggled with depression my whole life, and you know,

7:04 Speaker 7: and there is obviously, i mean there's less of a

7:07 Speaker 7: stigma then there used to be. Yeah, it's getting better

7:12 Speaker 7: in that sense, but there is still a stigma. You know,

7:15 Speaker 7: for for a big chunk of my life. I would

7:17 Speaker 7: try to hide it, you know. You know, you put

7:19 Speaker 7: on the fake smile and you try to hide it,

7:21 Speaker 7: you know, and at a certain point, hiding it just

7:25 Speaker 7: gets exhausting, you know.

7:27 Speaker 9: And yeah, because we you know, everybody has the same emotions.

7:30 Speaker 9: Everybody feels the same thing. Everybody goes to this like, yeah,

7:32 Speaker 9: we all have like the same emotions and stuff like that.

7:35 Speaker 9: So yeah, yeah, that's definitely I mean, yeah, mental health

7:38 Speaker 9: for for everybody. But yeah, it was definitely kind of

7:40 Speaker 9: at the beginning, it was, yeah, because I mean I

7:42 Speaker 9: grew up in one of those yeah, grow up households

7:44 Speaker 9: or like you know, I grew up in one of

7:46 Speaker 9: those Uh yeah, man up right.

7:48 Speaker 2: Don't don't show it. Yeah, that's weak.

7:51 Speaker 9: So yeah, it's definitely kind of uh me expressing myself

7:55 Speaker 9: in that way and also kind of also want I

7:58 Speaker 9: want people to know that like you not alone, you know,

8:00 Speaker 9: like I've gone through this. Every week, we've gone through this,

8:03 Speaker 9: We've all gone through this stuff. Uh So yeah, that's

8:06 Speaker 9: pretty That's the central message behind pretty much every every

8:09 Speaker 9: song that I've done so far.

8:11 Speaker 7: I'm curious as your in terms of your family's understanding

8:17 Speaker 7: of you and that aspect of you. Has that changed?

8:20 Speaker 7: Have have you been able to maybe use your music

8:22 Speaker 7: or maybe just through you know, relationships change over time.

8:25 Speaker 7: Has that changed it all? Where where they under are

8:28 Speaker 7: able to understand that better than they did then or

8:32 Speaker 7: your your your your laugh makes me think probably not.

8:36 Speaker 9: Yeah, no, Yeah, there's not a whole lot of reflection

8:40 Speaker 9: that goes on sometimes. So, but I mean our relationship

8:45 Speaker 9: has definitely changed over the years, and it's been a lot. Yeah,

8:48 Speaker 9: it's it's definitely, uh, it's different than it used to

8:51 Speaker 9: be for sure.

8:52 Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, now is that uh has that always kind

8:58 Speaker 7: of been a goal of yours to be able to

9:01 Speaker 7: address these issues with your music or were you doing

9:04 Speaker 7: that in the band that you were in or or

9:07 Speaker 7: has that been more something that you've been able to

9:08 Speaker 7: do with with becoming human.

9:11 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it's just it's just the easiest thing

9:14 Speaker 9: for me to write about. I remember in my the

9:17 Speaker 9: old band, it was a lot different, the lyrics were

9:19 Speaker 9: a lot different. He had gone through his own stuff.

9:21 Speaker 9: He was a veteran, a marine veteran, Okay, so he

9:25 Speaker 9: had gone through his own stuff. So but yeah, this one,

9:30 Speaker 9: for some reason, they it just it's easy for me

9:33 Speaker 9: to write about. And I enjoy writing about it, and

9:35 Speaker 9: I enjoy like talking to other people about their experiences too,

9:39 Speaker 9: And because yeah, when you kind of when you start

9:40 Speaker 9: talking to somebody about it, like they're like they you,

9:43 Speaker 9: they're kind of like, oh wow, Like it almost seems

9:45 Speaker 9: like even me, like I was like, there's like a

9:47 Speaker 9: sense of relief there that like, oh God, I'm so

9:49 Speaker 9: glad I'm not the only person that goes through this,

9:51 Speaker 9: right my goodness.

9:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

9:53 Speaker 9: So I think just like, yeah, putting it out there

9:56 Speaker 9: in the world, I think I think it put somebody's mind,

9:59 Speaker 9: at least part of it to ease a little bit

10:01 Speaker 9: that like, hey, you know somebody else did that, somebody

10:04 Speaker 9: else also did this, And I think there's like a

10:07 Speaker 9: it's therapeutic in that way too.

10:11 Speaker 7: Well, I always say too And this is something that

10:13 Speaker 7: comes up a lot on the show. Is anytime that

10:15 Speaker 7: you can take something that's negative, you know, like depression

10:18 Speaker 7: or or or anything else, any sort of trauma or

10:21 Speaker 7: or health issues or anything anything that's bad, if you

10:24 Speaker 7: can take it and and create something from that, then

10:28 Speaker 7: you've taken that, You've done something positive with it. You're

10:31 Speaker 7: creating an art, whether it's music or visual art or

10:34 Speaker 7: anything at all. Uh you know, that's that's the best

10:38 Speaker 7: therapy and that and that's not I don't mean that

10:40 Speaker 7: to negate any other kinds of therapy or or you know,

10:43 Speaker 7: anything that people have to do to try to feel better.

10:46 Speaker 7: But but but I think art is because that's something

10:49 Speaker 7: that not only not only are you creating something so

10:52 Speaker 7: it helps you, but it helps other people too, and

10:54 Speaker 7: other people can relate to it and get something from it.

10:56 Speaker 7: And uh so I think that's great. Was that difficult

11:02 Speaker 7: at first when you first started writing music writing lyrics

11:07 Speaker 7: about that? Was it challenging at first? Or did that

11:11 Speaker 7: come easily because there's obviously now doing that, there's a

11:15 Speaker 7: level of vulnerability there that wasn't there before that you

11:19 Speaker 7: have to you know that you have to be able

11:22 Speaker 7: to be vulnerable, right, I mean, was was that hard

11:24 Speaker 7: at first?

11:26 Speaker 2: Yeah?

11:26 Speaker 9: Yeah, definitely, because you know, there's you know, I have

11:30 Speaker 9: like you know, significant other in my life and people

11:33 Speaker 9: other people friends in my life and they'll be like

11:35 Speaker 9: sometimes they'll be like, is this is this real? Because

11:38 Speaker 9: this is really how you you know, this is really

11:40 Speaker 9: how you feel. But I got to explain to that,

11:42 Speaker 9: you know, you explained to them like, yeah, this is

11:43 Speaker 9: something that I've been going through since I was a kid.

11:47 Speaker 9: It's not this isn't new, this is nothing that's come up,

11:49 Speaker 9: you know, and it's also but yeah, yeah, definitely definitely

11:56 Speaker 9: can be hard sometimes.

11:58 Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah. And now in terms of you doing you

12:03 Speaker 7: started this as a solo project and looking at I

12:07 Speaker 7: was looking at reading up about you online, it looks

12:10 Speaker 7: like so the band a vintage year when that ended

12:14 Speaker 7: in twenty nineteen. Now was that did that ending have

12:17 Speaker 7: to do with the onset of the pandemic or because

12:20 Speaker 7: that's I know for a lot of people, a lot

12:22 Speaker 7: of musicians we talked to, you know, the pandemic really

12:26 Speaker 7: just kind of well, not just musicians, everybody when that

12:30 Speaker 7: showed up, it changed a lot of things for a

12:32 Speaker 7: lot of people. But I'm just curious, or maybe it's

12:35 Speaker 7: a coincidence or I don't know, but what was the

12:38 Speaker 7: ending of that band? What precipitated that?

12:41 Speaker 9: Yeah, coincidence. We started in like twenty fourteen. Yeah, and

12:49 Speaker 9: we moved to Austin in twenty seventeen, the same drummer.

12:52 Speaker 9: Drummer who's in Becoming Human now, same drummer, me and him,

12:56 Speaker 9: and then we just had a different sing We had

12:57 Speaker 9: a singer. They hated each other the second when they

13:01 Speaker 9: moved here for I don't I don't know what the

13:03 Speaker 9: heck happened.

13:03 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they like.

13:05 Speaker 9: They were best friends one day and then all of

13:06 Speaker 9: a sudden they were hated each other. And it's like

13:10 Speaker 9: the classic band. It's like the classic band story. I

13:12 Speaker 9: remember liked the singer being like I can't I can't

13:15 Speaker 9: stand him anymore, blah blah blah, and so like me

13:18 Speaker 9: and Nick actually kind of the drummer in Becoming Human,

13:21 Speaker 9: we actually kind of lost touch for like a couple

13:23 Speaker 9: of years because advinted year was also like my baby

13:25 Speaker 9: as well.

13:26 Speaker 7: Oh okay, So I.

13:27 Speaker 9: Stuck with the singer and then in twenty and then,

13:30 Speaker 9: you know, it kind of got stale after a few years,

13:32 Speaker 9: and me and hitting Me and the singer kind of

13:34 Speaker 9: weren't aligned anymore.

13:36 Speaker 2: I think there was he wanted to do some other things.

13:39 Speaker 9: So we kind of just split up and he went

13:41 Speaker 9: and did his so his solo project, and then I

13:44 Speaker 9: started kind of rebuilding myself as like, okay, like if

13:47 Speaker 9: this is gonna work, if I'm gonna make this work, uh,

13:50 Speaker 9: it's I have to pretty much figure out a way

13:52 Speaker 9: to do everything at first, you know, if I'm gonna

13:55 Speaker 9: be if I'm going to attract other musicians to be

13:57 Speaker 9: interested in and in taking part in this. So yeah,

14:02 Speaker 9: from like twenty for like the pandemic, I went through

14:04 Speaker 9: like a rebuild phase. So it was kind of like

14:06 Speaker 9: good timing because it wasn't like there was anything going

14:08 Speaker 9: on anyways in the in that in the industry, in

14:11 Speaker 9: that world, right right, So it's just good timing. And

14:14 Speaker 9: then yeah, I launched a project in twenty twenty two,

14:16 Speaker 9: like late twenty twenty two.

14:17 Speaker 7: Oh okay, okay, Yeah, it's cool. Too, that you were

14:21 Speaker 7: able to take that time to kind of, as you

14:23 Speaker 7: put it, rebuild because you know, the pandemic that's another

14:26 Speaker 7: example of something terrible that we all had to go through.

14:29 Speaker 7: But you know, we have to find these silver linings

14:32 Speaker 7: where we can and and a lot of people did

14:34 Speaker 7: take that time, you know, to kind of rebuild, reassess,

14:39 Speaker 7: you know, find a new direction and find new ways

14:42 Speaker 7: to be creative too, and perhaps explore their own I

14:45 Speaker 7: mean a lot of musicians, you know, kind of explore

14:48 Speaker 7: their own creativity in ways that maybe they they weren't

14:50 Speaker 7: doing or had neglected or didn't have time to do,

14:53 Speaker 7: and now they suddenly have perhaps maybe more time than

14:56 Speaker 7: they than they wanted in certain instances. And depending on

15:01 Speaker 7: your situation, but was it was it kind of liberating

15:05 Speaker 7: to to sort of start over to like was it

15:08 Speaker 7: like okay, you know I can I can put a

15:10 Speaker 7: vintage gear behind me and just just sort of start fresh.

15:13 Speaker 7: Was was that liberating for you?

15:15 Speaker 2: Yeah?

15:17 Speaker 9: Yeah, definitely it was, yeah, because you know, now if

15:22 Speaker 9: if it if it fails, it's my fault. That's kind

15:26 Speaker 9: of like the you know we're before it was kind

15:29 Speaker 9: of like I don't know, and like I said maybe

15:33 Speaker 9: like over time, I think me and like the singer

15:35 Speaker 9: of a Vintageyar kind of like, yeah, we just became

15:37 Speaker 9: misaligned with our goals. But yeah, this time it's like okay,

15:42 Speaker 9: like like I'm I'm gonna bring I'm gonna do the

15:45 Speaker 9: work first, and then I'll bring the people in and

15:47 Speaker 9: then I'll I'll they'll like, I'll bring them in and

15:51 Speaker 9: they'll kind of if they're they're joining me because they

15:54 Speaker 9: you know, they like the music and stuff. So it's

15:56 Speaker 9: it was a little bit. Yeah, it was, uh, I

15:59 Speaker 9: got do it my way this time, basically.

16:01 Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly. Now you're not you're not from Austin originally, right,

16:05 Speaker 7: you moved there.

16:06 Speaker 9: I moved there in twenty seventeen. Yeah, I'm originally born

16:10 Speaker 9: in Rochester, New York.

16:11 Speaker 7: Oh right, that's right. Okay, I remember reading that. Yes, Rochester,

16:14 Speaker 7: New York. So that's a pretty big that's a pretty

16:17 Speaker 7: big move. Yeah, now what what precipitated that?

16:22 Speaker 9: So in like twenty sixteen, you know, me and Nick

16:28 Speaker 9: the drummer Joe who was the old singer of Vintage,

16:31 Speaker 9: we really we took music very seriously and Rochester doesn't

16:38 Speaker 9: really have the like the amenities for music that a

16:41 Speaker 9: bigger city does. Yeah, it's funny because like, looking back,

16:45 Speaker 9: I think it does now it does.

16:46 Speaker 2: We didn't know that at the time though.

16:48 Speaker 9: We were very you know, I was kind of we

16:51 Speaker 9: were rush bell kids, so yeah, we were very naive

16:54 Speaker 9: to like other cities and like what other things looked like.

16:57 Speaker 2: So we just but and our singer was from Houston origin.

17:00 Speaker 9: Oh uh yeah, so that's and yeah, he ended up

17:04 Speaker 9: in Rochester, but he met his wife in the Marine Corps.

17:06 Speaker 2: His wife was from Rochester, Okay, so that's how he

17:09 Speaker 2: ended up there. Yeah, so we.

17:12 Speaker 9: I knew, I knew, Like I was like, I don't

17:14 Speaker 9: want to live in Houston because, like I I've I've

17:16 Speaker 9: already seen enough extreme weather, Like you know, Rochester gets

17:20 Speaker 9: like one hundred and twenty inches of snow a year

17:22 Speaker 9: being on the Great Lakes there. So I was like,

17:25 Speaker 9: what about Austin and he was like, yeah, that sounds great.

17:28 Speaker 9: And we saw that it was like they call it

17:30 Speaker 9: the live capital music of the World, and oh that's

17:32 Speaker 9: pretty cool. So they have like, yeah, there's a lot

17:34 Speaker 9: of decent musician amenities here. There's a lot of work

17:39 Speaker 9: for especially because I also mix and produce as well.

17:42 Speaker 2: I work with other bands.

17:43 Speaker 9: Yeah, so all the music that I you hear that

17:45 Speaker 9: I put out, I've engineered and produced and stuff like that.

17:50 Speaker 9: So which is definitely that's a big game. That's a

17:53 Speaker 9: game changer. If you can do all your own stuff, yes,

17:56 Speaker 9: and you're broke U it helps.

17:59 Speaker 2: So yeah.

17:59 Speaker 9: So I also I also I do that too for

18:03 Speaker 9: other bands here. So there's just more musicians here.

18:06 Speaker 7: Yeah.

18:07 Speaker 9: In hindsight, I don't think it's that much different. I

18:10 Speaker 9: think Rochester definitely has the scene. Uh, but it is

18:14 Speaker 9: mostly like Rochester's very nerdy city. It's very jazz orchestra. Uh,

18:19 Speaker 9: and then the other side is country music. So it

18:22 Speaker 9: was kind of like, can we bridge that gap in

18:24 Speaker 9: a different city.

18:25 Speaker 7: Right right? Yeah, Austin is uh yeah, that's a great

18:29 Speaker 7: music city and obviously too, you know, people who don't

18:32 Speaker 7: know people think of Actually I think this came up

18:34 Speaker 7: recently on the show. Jenny and I were talking about this.

18:38 Speaker 7: I think it was last week. We had this conversation

18:39 Speaker 7: about Texas. You know, people think of Texas and they

18:42 Speaker 7: think of country music or some people you know, and

18:45 Speaker 7: they don't realize that, you know, in some areas like Austin,

18:48 Speaker 7: of course, is such a such a variety of music

18:51 Speaker 7: that comes out of Austin, Yeah, you know, and and

18:54 Speaker 7: other other cities, and you know, Dallas Fort Worth there's

18:58 Speaker 7: a lot of metal bands that we've talked to from

19:01 Speaker 7: that area and so forth. So so there's there's a

19:03 Speaker 7: lot going on. You know, there's a lot of dynamism

19:05 Speaker 7: in the music scene and in Texas, uh broadly. And

19:09 Speaker 7: but it sounds like, so you you were able to

19:11 Speaker 7: to do the the producing and and mixing and everything forward.

19:15 Speaker 7: Do you have a lot of artists that you work with?

19:17 Speaker 7: Is is that? Is that a full time endeavor?

19:20 Speaker 9: No, it's good. But I'm you know, this year has

19:23 Speaker 9: been pretty good for me. I've worked with quite a

19:25 Speaker 9: few of them and good.

19:26 Speaker 2: Uh yeah.

19:27 Speaker 9: So but yeah, for a long time, it was just

19:31 Speaker 9: I just wanted to kind of be able to do

19:34 Speaker 9: the like I just I really enjoy the the writing,

19:37 Speaker 9: the creative process and then seeing it like kind.

19:39 Speaker 2: Of build build it. Yeah.

19:42 Speaker 9: So uh I was just doing that myself, and then

19:45 Speaker 9: somebody was like, man, you should like start working with

19:47 Speaker 9: other bands because you know your mixes are really good.

19:51 Speaker 9: Uh so yeah, And so I say, like a couple

19:53 Speaker 9: of years ago, I kind of started putting myself out

19:55 Speaker 9: there a little bit with very little return, which is fine, Like.

19:59 Speaker 2: It's just it's a it's competitive.

20:01 Speaker 9: But then yeah, so and then this year it's kind

20:03 Speaker 9: of like starting to pick up a little bit words

20:06 Speaker 9: kind of getting around. So yeah, and it's funny because, like,

20:12 Speaker 9: you know, I mentioned that we wanted we thought moving

20:14 Speaker 9: to Austin would kind of but like it's like with

20:17 Speaker 9: the like and I think in the past like seven six, seven,

20:20 Speaker 9: eight years, social media has like grown so much.

20:22 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean I'm I'm.

20:24 Speaker 9: Literally talking to you guys right now, and you guys

20:25 Speaker 9: are in New Hampshire. I think we I think somebody

20:28 Speaker 9: connected us together. We have like a mutual friend I

20:31 Speaker 9: think or something. So but it's just so funny because

20:34 Speaker 9: like you and I could literally be anywhere right now.

20:38 Speaker 9: So it's like, is is the city you live in?

20:40 Speaker 2: Does it really matter anymore?

20:43 Speaker 7: Right? Yeah? Social media has really changed that and uh,

20:47 Speaker 7: you know, and we live in an era too where

20:49 Speaker 7: and again this is something that really grew during the

20:52 Speaker 7: pandemic where it's it's easier to collaborate with people musically

20:57 Speaker 7: from from anywhere in the world. And you know, obviously

21:00 Speaker 7: even before the pandemic, you could do that, you know,

21:02 Speaker 7: you could send tracks back and forth and so forth.

21:04 Speaker 7: But I think the pandemic really forced people to think

21:07 Speaker 7: more creatively, yes, and to and to embrace the technology

21:12 Speaker 7: that we already had, but maybe we're not using to

21:15 Speaker 7: its full potential. So and I assume too. I mean,

21:20 Speaker 7: you know, you probably enjoy the winter in Austin a

21:23 Speaker 7: lot more than you did when you were in Rochester.

21:26 Speaker 9: I'm guessing right, yes, yeah, I it's yeah, sometimes like

21:31 Speaker 9: I'll go out, I'll walk out side leave it even

21:33 Speaker 9: right now, like or like a few like a couple

21:35 Speaker 9: of weeks ago, it was like seventy five degrees and

21:37 Speaker 9: it like blows my mind. It's like Sonny and seventy

21:40 Speaker 9: five to this day. And I've been here for a

21:42 Speaker 9: long time. I've been here since twenty seventeen. So yeah,

21:45 Speaker 9: I'll go outside it like, man, this is crazy to

21:47 Speaker 9: this day still, Like yes, I don't know if I'll

21:50 Speaker 9: ever get used to it, but yeah, it's still kind

21:52 Speaker 9: of like yeah, and it's weird because like you know,

21:54 Speaker 9: if you're from up north or the northeast, like being

21:57 Speaker 9: down south is like that reminds you of like vacation times.

22:00 Speaker 9: I'll go outside and I'll get hit with that southern,

22:03 Speaker 9: warm winter smell and I'll be like, that's Disney World

22:06 Speaker 9: or you know, that's a vacation.

22:08 Speaker 7: Oh that does that does sound nice?

22:11 Speaker 2: It is?

22:11 Speaker 7: It is?

22:12 Speaker 2: It's something else. Yeah, I think. Yeah.

22:14 Speaker 9: There's this guy from the New England area named Matt

22:17 Speaker 9: Matt Roberto. He he played on one of my tracks.

22:20 Speaker 9: I think, I think you guys, I there's a maybe

22:23 Speaker 9: it's not you guys, but I was like, somebody plays

22:26 Speaker 9: it all the time, and I think that's how I

22:28 Speaker 9: ended up on this. His name's Matt, Yeah, he was.

22:31 Speaker 9: He played on we have a track called Make It Hurt.

22:33 Speaker 9: He played bass on it, and he's really like he's

22:35 Speaker 9: got like kind of a fan base out there, which

22:37 Speaker 9: is funny. Oh okay, so that's I think that's how

22:40 Speaker 9: I because I was like, I was like, how do

22:42 Speaker 9: I know these guys? Again, I was like, I think

22:44 Speaker 9: I was connected. We were connected through somebody, a mutual person.

22:47 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've we've talked to a lot of

22:50 Speaker 7: artists from Texas and Okay, there's a gentleman named Mike Woolsey,

22:54 Speaker 7: who uh kind of that's where it started. He's a

22:59 Speaker 7: nic moonfallen.

23:01 Speaker 2: Do you know I think that Yes, I think that

23:03 Speaker 2: name's not definitely name sounds familiar.

23:05 Speaker 7: That might be who connected us.

23:06 Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, yeah yeah yeah, he's great and

23:10 Speaker 9: small world.

23:11 Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, Well, like you were saying, though, you know,

23:13 Speaker 7: social media has made it such.

23:15 Speaker 2: They brought itself together. Yeah, like everybody's closer now.

23:18 Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely. Now, what's what's the situation in terms of

23:23 Speaker 7: live shows? Are you do you play? Do you play

23:26 Speaker 7: this material out? Are you able to play this material out?

23:29 Speaker 7: Since it's you and now now you have a drummer

23:31 Speaker 7: and a bass player, right, so how does that all work?

23:35 Speaker 9: Yeah, we've been playing now for uh well, our first

23:38 Speaker 9: we had our first show about almost a year ago,

23:41 Speaker 9: our first live show, and it was just me and

23:43 Speaker 9: the drummer. So we were backing track the bass guitar okay,

23:47 Speaker 9: which was interesting, but nobody really seemed to mind.

23:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, it worked, but I really.

23:55 Speaker 9: Kind of wanted uh you know, the having another brain

24:02 Speaker 9: definitely makes a huge difference, especially because I do play bass,

24:06 Speaker 9: but I'm not like somebody who spends a lot of

24:08 Speaker 9: time on the bass guitar.

24:10 Speaker 7: Yeah, so I.

24:11 Speaker 9: Wanted somebody who is like a specialist on the bass

24:14 Speaker 9: guitar and we yeah, we brought this guy a named

24:16 Speaker 9: Mike and he's amazing and so yeah, we've.

24:20 Speaker 2: Been playing with him.

24:21 Speaker 9: He's played with us the last four or five gigs

24:23 Speaker 9: and it's been awesome. And yeah, that we wet. We

24:26 Speaker 9: do the material live silver like the SYNTHI stuff we

24:29 Speaker 9: back that that gets put in the backing tracks, which

24:31 Speaker 9: is yeah, it's whatever. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, it's pretty

24:35 Speaker 9: easy to pull off live.

24:36 Speaker 2: It's been great, Oh, excellent, excellent.

24:39 Speaker 7: Are you playing out a lot?

24:41 Speaker 9: We are, Yeah, we have a we have a show

24:44 Speaker 9: on the eighth at this place called Anderson Mill Pub,

24:46 Speaker 9: which is right down the street from where I live,

24:48 Speaker 9: which is really cool. And then we're playing a show

24:50 Speaker 9: in Rochester in April, so that'll be fun too.

24:53 Speaker 7: Well Rochester, New York.

24:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, Rochester, New York.

24:57 Speaker 7: Oh cool.

24:59 Speaker 9: Yeah yeah yeah, And my buddy Matt, who's from Providence,

25:04 Speaker 9: is gonna he's gonna play with me there.

25:06 Speaker 2: He's gonna fill it on. Yeah, so that'd be fun.

25:09 Speaker 7: Oh, that's excellent, excellent. Yeah. And what's what's kind of

25:14 Speaker 7: the the trajectory in terms of have you released an

25:17 Speaker 7: album or just singles at this point, just.

25:20 Speaker 9: Doing singles, but I think eventually, when I have enough,

25:24 Speaker 9: I think it would be cool to kind of release

25:26 Speaker 9: a physical album.

25:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know people still like that.

25:30 Speaker 9: I was very disappointed to find out that a lot

25:32 Speaker 9: of new stuff doesn't have CD players anymore, Like my

25:34 Speaker 9: laptop doesn't have one. A lot of new cars don't

25:36 Speaker 9: have CD players anymore. My old laptop does. But yeah,

25:39 Speaker 9: so like I'm a guy that holds onto technology for

25:42 Speaker 9: like a decade.

25:42 Speaker 2: Oh okay, so I'm always behind.

25:45 Speaker 9: So like, yeah, like my girlfriend had we've gotten, like

25:49 Speaker 9: she bought me a laptop for Christmas, like a new

25:51 Speaker 9: one because mine was old. Yeah, and uh it was

25:54 Speaker 9: a really nice one. And I was like, where's the

25:56 Speaker 9: CD player. She's like, there's no CD players anymore. I

25:59 Speaker 9: was like, are you Yeah. I was very very shocked.

26:02 Speaker 9: So I'm always behind, like technology wise, yeah, but yeah,

26:06 Speaker 9: so that I do want to come out with a

26:07 Speaker 9: full length album with the songs that I've released the

26:10 Speaker 9: past few years. But yeah, so the the whole CD

26:13 Speaker 9: format is the album format. It's it works. It's just

26:18 Speaker 9: everything moves so fast in the music industry now, I know.

26:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like the city.

26:23 Speaker 9: Like if you really, if you drop a whole album,

26:24 Speaker 9: a lot of people are like, it's it's kind of

26:26 Speaker 9: a waste.

26:26 Speaker 7: That's the problem.

26:28 Speaker 9: Yeah, unless you have a unless you already have like

26:30 Speaker 9: a huge fan base, like if you're like Radiohead or

26:33 Speaker 9: Chevelle or cold Play, right, you can, you can do that.

26:36 Speaker 9: But if you're somebody who's still trying to grow, it's

26:39 Speaker 9: really tricky. But I think we are growing. I think

26:41 Speaker 9: we just we just hit three thousand monthly listeners on Spotify, which.

26:44 Speaker 7: Is oh good good.

26:46 Speaker 9: Yeah, so eventually we will do like a physical album

26:50 Speaker 9: like CD release, I think.

26:52 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's funny. Jenny was asking me just the other

26:54 Speaker 7: day if we had anything at home to play CDs on.

26:57 Speaker 7: We actually, believe it or not, we don't. I had

26:59 Speaker 7: a man that doesn't even work anymore. That was the

27:01 Speaker 7: last thing I had. I think that that you could

27:04 Speaker 7: even play CDs on. Yeah, yeah, we don't have anything.

27:09 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think like cars don't even have CD players anymore. Yeah,

27:13 Speaker 9: it's like my car still is a CD player because

27:14 Speaker 9: it's ten years old or fifth they yet out thirteen

27:17 Speaker 9: years old.

27:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, my laptop does not.

27:20 Speaker 7: We have one here at the radio station. In fact,

27:24 Speaker 7: a guy named Rob as a veto he owes to

27:26 Speaker 7: show here called Granted State of Mind on Friday nights,

27:28 Speaker 7: and he uses the CD player that we have here

27:31 Speaker 7: and it works. But yeah, but we don't have one

27:32 Speaker 7: at home. And but a lot of the guests that

27:35 Speaker 7: we have in studio, you know, they they they're still

27:37 Speaker 7: doing physical CDs. They'll often bring CDs in, you know,

27:41 Speaker 7: just because I think a lot of and with vinyl too,

27:44 Speaker 7: you know a lot of our guests they'll even spend

27:46 Speaker 7: the money to uh to do vinyl. But I strongly

27:51 Speaker 7: suspect my theory about that is with vinyl, and probably

27:56 Speaker 7: it applies to CDs too. I think a lot of

27:57 Speaker 7: people who who buy them never actually open them, or

28:02 Speaker 7: or they might open them and look at them, but

28:03 Speaker 7: never actually play them because they just you know, if

28:05 Speaker 7: you're really a plan, Yeah, if you're really a fan

28:08 Speaker 7: of an artist, it's nice to have. But yeah, I

28:11 Speaker 7: always liked, you know, if I'm really a fan of somebody,

28:13 Speaker 7: like you know, opening it up and looking at the

28:15 Speaker 7: liner notes and everything, and yeah, so there's definitely still

28:19 Speaker 7: a market for that. But but I but but I

28:21 Speaker 7: understand what you're saying. Too about you know, if you

28:23 Speaker 7: put out an album all at once and it's kind

28:25 Speaker 7: of like once that blows over. Yeah, you know, yeah,

28:29 Speaker 7: it almost seems like a waste.

28:32 Speaker 2: That's the tricky Yeah, the tricky part.

28:33 Speaker 9: So I see, I think at the end we will

28:35 Speaker 9: culminate a whole album together and then if people want

28:38 Speaker 9: to buy it, well, I'll make them. I'll buy Yeah,

28:41 Speaker 9: I'll make them. And that's kind of how I've been

28:43 Speaker 9: doing this project because it was just a side project originally,

28:49 Speaker 9: and but I always like, I mean, it's if you

28:52 Speaker 9: guys want me to keep making songs, I'll keep me.

28:53 Speaker 2: I'll keep making songs. It was kind of like like

28:56 Speaker 2: a lot of.

28:56 Speaker 9: My friends at the beginning were just listening to it,

28:58 Speaker 9: so I just kept I kept releasing them. Yeah, guys.

29:00 Speaker 9: So that's kind of how I've been doing things. Like

29:02 Speaker 9: if people are like asking me, hey, like we want

29:05 Speaker 9: something to hold on to, we want like a CD,

29:07 Speaker 9: or we want something physical, we want vinyl, Okay, yeah.

29:10 Speaker 2: Let's let's get it. Let me get it, let me

29:12 Speaker 2: I'll get it.

29:12 Speaker 7: Done right right, yeah exactly, and we're going to uh,

29:17 Speaker 7: the time goes so quickly, Jordan, but in a moment

29:21 Speaker 7: we're going to play this track. I'm fine at the

29:24 Speaker 7: end of our conversation, but I do want people. I

29:27 Speaker 7: want our listeners to know where should they go, where's

29:30 Speaker 7: the best places to go to find you online? To

29:33 Speaker 7: keep up with everything that you're doing, with everything that

29:35 Speaker 7: Becoming Human is doing, so that we don't miss anything. Yeah,

29:38 Speaker 7: as you're putting out new music and playing shows and

29:41 Speaker 7: all that.

29:42 Speaker 9: Yeah, so you could find me www dot becoming humanatx

29:46 Speaker 9: dot com is that's kind of the hub for everything.

29:50 Speaker 9: Instagram becoming human at X, Facebook becoming human atx atx

29:55 Speaker 9: means Austin, Texas, and then Spotify becoming human. Now there

30:01 Speaker 9: is two becoming humans. There's a like a rapper, not me,

30:05 Speaker 9: I am the I am the plain black the white

30:08 Speaker 9: text that is becoming human. Okay, Yeah, a lot of

30:11 Speaker 9: people will be like this is you, and I'm like, no,

30:13 Speaker 9: that's not me. So yeah, it's just plain black text

30:17 Speaker 9: becoming human. The logo that's me.

30:19 Speaker 7: Well, at least it's a different genre of music, so

30:22 Speaker 7: that's exactly less confusing. Otherwise you can really run into trouble.

30:26 Speaker 7: So exactly, Yeah, and anything we should know about this track,

30:30 Speaker 7: I'm fine the title makes me think it might be

30:34 Speaker 7: about what we were talking about earlier.

30:37 Speaker 2: Yes, so this is the first track that Nick played on.

30:40 Speaker 9: This came out a few months ago, so it's still

30:43 Speaker 9: kind of new. It's yeah, something I remember my therapist said.

30:50 Speaker 2: She's like because she asked me how am I?

30:52 Speaker 9: And I said I'm fine, and she's like, seldomly does

30:54 Speaker 9: that when someone when someone says I'm fine, seldomly are

30:57 Speaker 9: they really fine?

30:58 Speaker 7: Right exactly?

31:00 Speaker 9: Yeah, So it was kind of like, oh so I

31:02 Speaker 9: kind of like made a whole song about it, and yeah,

31:05 Speaker 9: mostly this one's just kind of like, this is dealing

31:07 Speaker 9: with like anxiety and panic attacks, which I struggled with

31:10 Speaker 9: through in my twenties really bad. I had a really

31:13 Speaker 9: really rough got with panic attacks in my twenties. Oh wow,

31:16 Speaker 9: so that's what that's what this one, This one's about

31:19 Speaker 9: dealing with that.

31:20 Speaker 7: Okay, Well, again, certainly relatable to a lot of people,

31:24 Speaker 7: myself included. So that'll that'll be a great way to

31:28 Speaker 7: end it. So Jordan, we will uh, we will let

31:31 Speaker 7: you go and then I'm gonna hit that track. But

31:32 Speaker 7: thank you so much for joining us today and as

31:35 Speaker 7: you're releasing new music, we'll we'll have you back on

31:37 Speaker 7: because it's been a great discussion. I really enjoyed talking

31:40 Speaker 7: with you and we're a very big fan of what

31:42 Speaker 7: you're doing.

31:43 Speaker 2: Thank you. Likewise, yeah, I will definitely do that.

31:46 Speaker 7: All right, Jordan, all right, sounds good, Thank you, my friend,

31:48 Speaker 7: and we'll talk you.

31:49 Speaker 2: Thank you, talk to you soon, all right, bye bye bye.

31:52 Speaker 7: All right, Jordan Barney from Becoming Human, Let's hit this track.

31:56 Speaker 7: This is called I'm fine.

32:12 Speaker 10: It's time when you're not ok.

32:16 Speaker 4: Yeah, thought the rock, it's time, it's so good.

32:25 Speaker 5: The lab lines.

32:26 Speaker 4: And one steps away.

32:28 Speaker 11: Why does he run? It's time?

32:33 Speaker 5: I'm not okay, Fried the god.

32:42 Speaker 7: We ain't cross b.

32:46 Speaker 11: By the way by the way, her fool amarra go

32:57 Speaker 11: side bye bye way by the way, mind the surrided,

33:09 Speaker 11: but easy.

33:12 Speaker 12: You're rising on my one. This time it's borrow away.

33:41 Speaker 1: Lab bob besid this time as.

33:50 Speaker 11: After that July a week.

33:55 Speaker 2: When not.

33:57 Speaker 7: And my not okay, sprack go.

34:08 Speaker 2: Waiting from my.

34:11 Speaker 11: Bay the way by the way, beautiful.

34:21 Speaker 5: The better go side.

34:23 Speaker 11: Fine by the way, by the way, the easy If

34:38 Speaker 11: you're there, my when.

34:50 Speaker 6: You cross that that you left yourselfie your reflection. Nos,

34:59 Speaker 6: won't you keep it? See strack.

35:27 Speaker 1: Way from.

35:30 Speaker 4: By the Way, by the way, Mine's.

35:37 Speaker 11: Beautiful ard side.

35:43 Speaker 2: By the Way, by the way.

35:48 Speaker 1: I'm Fine.

35:51 Speaker 7: Oh that is so cool. I really love that song

35:53 Speaker 7: that is called I'm Fine. That is Becoming Human. We

35:57 Speaker 7: just talked with Jordan Barney. If you missed it, of

35:59 Speaker 7: course you can always check the archive afterward. We'll have

36:02 Speaker 7: it up shortly after the show today at Wmnhradio dot

36:06 Speaker 7: organ on my website Matt Coonnorton dot com. But yeah,

36:09 Speaker 7: I really enjoyed talking with Jordan and a big fan

36:12 Speaker 7: of Becoming Human and we will of course have him

36:14 Speaker 7: back as he releases new music. But this is Matt

36:18 Speaker 7: Connorton Unleashed. We are of course we're in our final

36:21 Speaker 7: segment today on this week's show. It goes too quickly.

36:25 Speaker 7: I do want to mention too. Last night I was

36:27 Speaker 7: on Granted State of Mind with the great Rob as

36:29 Speaker 7: a Veto, as was Texas Mic, So if you miss

36:32 Speaker 7: that you can check that out. Katie Dobbins was the guest.

36:36 Speaker 7: She came in and performed live and we listened to

36:38 Speaker 7: a studio track of hers too, and always a great time.

36:43 Speaker 7: Always enjoy being on Rob as a Veto's program. Be

36:46 Speaker 7: sure to check out Pembroke City Limits if you haven't

36:48 Speaker 7: been there. It's an amazing place. And I just came

36:50 Speaker 7: in to kind of help out Rob with some sound

36:53 Speaker 7: and in terms of setting up mikes and that kind

36:56 Speaker 7: of thing. But and of course he invited me to

36:58 Speaker 7: be on mike and participate in the show. So I'll

37:00 Speaker 7: always enjoy that, grantit state of mind, and don't forget too.

37:03 Speaker 7: Of course, this week's retro Spectrum Radio. If you miss that,

37:06 Speaker 7: you can check that out. And of course it is

37:09 Speaker 7: the first day of spring now, not technically. I realize

37:13 Speaker 7: that before anyone gets on me about oh Matt, it's

37:16 Speaker 7: not till what is it March twentieth? I know according

37:18 Speaker 7: to the calendar. However, as I've said many times, as

37:21 Speaker 7: I say every year, I learned this from my dad

37:25 Speaker 7: when when I was growing up. My dad always told

37:27 Speaker 7: me because he doesn't like winter either, he doesn't like

37:29 Speaker 7: it any more than I do. He always said he

37:31 Speaker 7: likes to think of winter as really only being two

37:33 Speaker 7: months long. It's January and February is logic being most

37:37 Speaker 7: of December is technically still fall anyway, and you usually

37:40 Speaker 7: don't get till the really bitter cold, nasty weather till January,

37:44 Speaker 7: so then you have January and February to contend with.

37:47 Speaker 7: Once you get to March, it's technically still winter, but

37:49 Speaker 7: you kind of don't care at that point. Even if

37:51 Speaker 7: there's a blizzard, you know it's all going to melt

37:52 Speaker 7: away any day. So my dad likes to think of

37:55 Speaker 7: March first as the first day of spring, and that

37:57 Speaker 7: is how I think of it as well. And by

37:59 Speaker 7: the way, if you ask a meteorologist about that, they

38:02 Speaker 7: will tell you the same thing, because March, actually March,

38:06 Speaker 7: April May are meteorological spring, that's how they think of it,

38:11 Speaker 7: and then June, July and August are meteor me it's

38:15 Speaker 7: so hard to say that word meteorological summer and so forth.

38:18 Speaker 7: I learned that Jenny from al Caprillion, really, yes, many

38:24 Speaker 7: years ago. That about the about how meteorologists, how they

38:28 Speaker 7: just think of the think of the seasons. As you know,

38:32 Speaker 7: summer is June, July, August.

38:34 Speaker 1: I look at it this way. We're listening two weeks

38:36 Speaker 1: away from changing the clocks.

38:38 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's true too, and that's my moment.

38:40 Speaker 10: Yes, yes, when I have more daylight, I will feel better, right,

38:43 Speaker 10: I can't wait.

38:44 Speaker 7: Right, I'm done with this before we go into further too.

38:47 Speaker 7: We're going to kind of circle back to something we

38:50 Speaker 7: were doing earlier in the show. But we should also

38:53 Speaker 7: because I don't want to run out of time. You're

38:57 Speaker 7: you've got something coming up pretty big.

39:00 Speaker 1: Oh yes, I do coming up this. Oh my goodness,

39:04 Speaker 1: I just lost the date.

39:05 Speaker 7: Uh oh oh, oh gosh.

39:08 Speaker 1: Because I have the poster in front of me. What

39:10 Speaker 1: is it, March fifteenth?

39:11 Speaker 7: I believe I don't remember offhand.

39:13 Speaker 1: I have your other schedule in front of me. Yes,

39:16 Speaker 1: I'm multitask.

39:17 Speaker 7: Yes, Jenny does all for those who don't know.

39:19 Speaker 1: Jenny also does all that going on while I'm sitting here.

39:21 Speaker 7: Oh excellent. Jenny also does all the booking. She books

39:23 Speaker 7: the guests for the show.

39:26 Speaker 1: Seriously, I'm sitting here, this happens.

39:28 Speaker 7: Yes.

39:28 Speaker 10: So on March fifteenth, there's a really unique art show

39:32 Speaker 10: coming up here in the Queen City, and I'm really

39:34 Speaker 10: excited to be a part of it. The Uncensored Underground

39:39 Speaker 10: Art Experience will take place on March fifteenth from six

39:42 Speaker 10: to eight pm at twenty Garden Walk here in the

39:46 Speaker 10: Queen City. It's a showcase of political, provocative and otherwise

39:52 Speaker 10: anti censorship art. There's going to be a lot of

39:55 Speaker 10: different artists there, work from people like Porscha Jones, excuse me,

40:00 Speaker 10: DApp or Tom grim Dark. Really looking forward to this.

40:05 Speaker 10: I'm excited to be a part of this display. My contribute.

40:09 Speaker 1: My contribution is in regards to what you all know

40:13 Speaker 1: that I fight all the time, which is insurance trying

40:15 Speaker 1: to get.

40:16 Speaker 10: The coverage that we all pay for, and that spurred

40:20 Speaker 10: off a series of paintings from my personal experiences of

40:25 Speaker 10: having to stay on the line for three hours waiting

40:28 Speaker 10: for an agent and trying to get a prior authorization

40:31 Speaker 10: and all those lovely things that we all end up

40:34 Speaker 10: having to do in order to acquire the healthcare that

40:37 Speaker 10: we all deserve. So if you want to check out

40:39 Speaker 10: that artwork and one of them, actually you get to

40:42 Speaker 10: play with three D glasses with with one of my paintings, yes,

40:45 Speaker 10: which is exciting for me because I just think that's

40:47 Speaker 10: fun to play with.

40:49 Speaker 1: Anyway, check out this amazing show.

40:52 Speaker 10: I think it's great that it's going to be provocative

40:54 Speaker 10: and political and get the juices going and get people going,

40:58 Speaker 10: because art should do that.

41:00 Speaker 1: Art should make you uncomfortable sometimes and art should make

41:03 Speaker 1: you think and want to chat with one another.

41:05 Speaker 10: So absolutely check out the Undercensored Underground Art Experience on

41:10 Speaker 10: March fifteenth from six to eight pm at twenty Garden

41:14 Speaker 10: Walk here in the Queen City of Manchester.

41:18 Speaker 7: And we should also mention today for those listening live

41:21 Speaker 7: on Saturday, Jesse Coffee is performing live at Great North Ailworks.

41:25 Speaker 10: Is he's also located here in the Queen City because

41:28 Speaker 10: we have some of the greatest things here in Manchester,

41:31 Speaker 10: the Great North Aleworks. Jesse Coffee, singer songwriter will be

41:34 Speaker 10: performing tonight starting at four pm. They have a lot

41:38 Speaker 10: of home it's all home crafted al's and brews and

41:43 Speaker 10: it's a really awesome local family business. Come out and

41:48 Speaker 10: support the local businesses. Check them out, come out, have

41:50 Speaker 10: a drink, listen to my son play. He's really talented, talented.

41:56 Speaker 7: And should we also mention the doorbell the doorbell. Someone

42:02 Speaker 7: rang our doorbell here which is unusual.

42:04 Speaker 10: And oh my god, so we had a visitor stop by.

42:08 Speaker 10: Why you were chatting and that was Crispy the comedian. Yes,

42:13 Speaker 10: he was so excited to hear you talk about him

42:15 Speaker 10: and mentioned that he's a good comedian and he gave

42:17 Speaker 10: me a glow in the dark pan.

42:19 Speaker 1: Oh, glow in the Dark pen is from Peller in

42:23 Speaker 1: Motor Sports.

42:25 Speaker 7: Okay.

42:25 Speaker 10: Also here a Manchester, New Hampshire business and I'm really

42:30 Speaker 10: liking the pen that glows and I'm sorry you guys

42:31 Speaker 10: can't see it because radio is theater.

42:34 Speaker 7: Of the mind.

42:34 Speaker 1: But it's a green pen.

42:36 Speaker 10: We'll take a picture that lights up and says the

42:38 Speaker 10: business and their phone number.

42:40 Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm I get to keep the pen.

42:43 Speaker 7: Yes, the pen to me? Okay, well, very good.

42:46 Speaker 1: I'm happy I likes yes.

42:48 Speaker 7: So thank thank you, Crispy.

42:50 Speaker 1: It was so cool that he stopped by. He wanted

42:52 Speaker 1: to say thank you. He really loved hearing you talk

42:54 Speaker 1: about it, and we love talking about you and we

42:56 Speaker 1: hope to have you come in and sit with us

42:58 Speaker 1: one of these days. Yeah, make everybody else laugh.

43:01 Speaker 7: Yeah, he hasn't been on the show in years.

43:03 Speaker 1: I know, I know when he's ready. When he's ready,

43:05 Speaker 1: you want to come on, give us some jokes. We'd

43:07 Speaker 1: love to hear you.

43:07 Speaker 10: Absolutely, And if you want to be on Matt Connaton Unleashed,

43:12 Speaker 10: all you gotta do is give us a contact.

43:14 Speaker 7: Well, it's not all you gotta do. Well, Yeah, I mean,

43:18 Speaker 7: you know, there are other requirements.

43:19 Speaker 10: Mental telepathy maybe yeah, well yeah, send us your music,

43:23 Speaker 10: follow us what you're doing, what's going on in the

43:25 Speaker 10: arts community.

43:26 Speaker 1: Are you an author? Did you write a book? Want

43:28 Speaker 1: to hear about it. If you have something to do

43:30 Speaker 1: with arts, music, the creative spaces of the world, we

43:35 Speaker 1: want to hear you.

43:38 Speaker 10: So you can email me at gen Coffee sixteen at

43:43 Speaker 10: gmail dot com, or visit my website for more information

43:46 Speaker 10: at gen Coffee j E N N co O f

43:49 Speaker 10: f EI dot com.

43:52 Speaker 7: So, speaking of of creative spaces, so we did something

43:56 Speaker 7: earlier on the show. So again if you're which I'm

43:59 Speaker 7: bothered by, or on a different day, if you're listening

44:02 Speaker 7: to the replay of the show. But so something that

44:05 Speaker 7: I've been thinking about doing live on the air for

44:08 Speaker 7: a long time and we just had never gotten to

44:10 Speaker 7: it until today. But today we had the time. Suno

44:14 Speaker 7: dot com is one of several there are several now available.

44:20 Speaker 7: One of these websites and by the way, they've been

44:22 Speaker 7: sued a bunch and there's a lot going on. But

44:25 Speaker 7: this is one of these AI websites where you go

44:27 Speaker 7: on and you put in a prompt for a song,

44:31 Speaker 7: idea that you have and it will create an AI

44:34 Speaker 7: generated song for you. And so I wanted to try

44:38 Speaker 7: this live on the air, and it was pretty shocking.

44:43 Speaker 7: The results that we got as shocking in that they're

44:48 Speaker 7: really good, especially really good. And by the way, I

44:52 Speaker 7: will wear it. And by the way, I am going

44:54 Speaker 7: to put these up on YouTube later because we didn't

44:56 Speaker 7: even play the entire each prompt that we tried. It

45:00 Speaker 7: gave us two versions, so I'm gonna put all of

45:03 Speaker 7: it up on YouTube later because we didn't listen to

45:06 Speaker 7: the entire songs. But I may have reignited my my

45:11 Speaker 7: beef with MC hammer because I asked it to make

45:13 Speaker 7: distracts about MC Hammer. That's a long story. That's a

45:17 Speaker 7: long story. Uh why So if mc hammer comes to

45:21 Speaker 7: get me, uh, yep, we'll be in separate rooms and

45:24 Speaker 7: hopefully will leave you.

45:26 Speaker 1: So you want to be a trouble maker in the doghouse?

45:29 Speaker 7: Yes, yes, but I don't please Hammer, don't hurt me.

45:33 Speaker 7: But uh so, so the technology is incredible. But anyway, so, uh, Jenny,

45:41 Speaker 7: you had mentioned something while we were listening to these

45:45 Speaker 7: incredible AI generated tracks with all the wonder and concern

45:52 Speaker 7: that comes with that because good reason, because there's a

45:55 Speaker 7: lot going on and artists are very concerned, and and yeah,

45:58 Speaker 7: with very good reason. Like I said, these turned out

46:00 Speaker 7: to be Souno dot com. These turned out to be

46:04 Speaker 7: beyond anything I was expected, especially the first two.

46:07 Speaker 10: First two really pop those and they basically to me

46:11 Speaker 10: sounded like ripoffs of Evan essence.

46:13 Speaker 1: But here's the thing, this is what AI.

46:16 Speaker 7: We all know.

46:16 Speaker 10: We've been talking about this and how it affects the

46:19 Speaker 10: music world. But what Britain is trying to do right now,

46:23 Speaker 10: I don't think it's a good idea, and there's a

46:24 Speaker 10: lot of artists that are really worried. And here's what's

46:26 Speaker 10: going on in Parliament. They're talking about passing a law

46:30 Speaker 10: that would basically mean that companies who use AI to teach,

46:36 Speaker 10: you know, to do music can use any artist music

46:39 Speaker 10: that they want, unless the artist chooses.

46:43 Speaker 1: To opt out. So the bill would make it legal.

46:47 Speaker 10: It would make it so everybody's music opts in automatically,

46:50 Speaker 10: whether you like it or not. Everybody's in, and you

46:54 Speaker 10: have to go and make it a point to try

46:56 Speaker 10: and opt out as a musician. And this of course

46:59 Speaker 10: is creating quite the uproar. I mean, Brian May is

47:03 Speaker 10: talking about it. There's a lot of different artists talking

47:06 Speaker 10: about it. But interestingly, the BBC is reporting that a

47:10 Speaker 10: number of artists actually got together and they did something interested.

47:14 Speaker 10: They created a silent album and when you look at

47:19 Speaker 10: the album's imagery, but the name of the album is

47:24 Speaker 10: is this what we want?

47:26 Speaker 1: And then it lists the tracks, but the tracks.

47:28 Speaker 10: Obviously there's no tracks, and it creates a sentence, so

47:31 Speaker 10: there's it lists twelve tracks, But what it really says

47:34 Speaker 10: is the British government must not legalize music theft to

47:39 Speaker 10: benefit AI companies.

47:42 Speaker 1: And I have to agree.

47:44 Speaker 10: If you're gonna make it, if everybody's in and you

47:46 Speaker 10: don't get a control over your stuff unless you opt out,

47:50 Speaker 10: then I agree that is theft.

47:52 Speaker 7: In my book, What about you, I'm not sure. I'm

47:57 Speaker 7: not sure if I would use the word theft, but

48:03 Speaker 7: you know I am. I am deeply concerned about.

48:10 Speaker 1: I mean again, creating everybody else's creation. You're not coming

48:15 Speaker 1: up with anything original.

48:16 Speaker 7: Hearing that way hearing. So this little experiment that we

48:20 Speaker 7: did earlier, creating AI tracks live on the air has

48:25 Speaker 7: left me well speechless, apparently because I'm having hard time

48:32 Speaker 7: even articulating my thoughts about it there, they're so much

48:35 Speaker 7: better than anything that I expected that I'm I have

48:40 Speaker 7: a different level of concern about all of this and

48:43 Speaker 7: how it affects artists, and perhaps I did before this morning.

48:47 Speaker 7: Does that make sense? Like I'm now, I'm.

48:51 Speaker 1: It's worse than you thought in What He Can Do?

48:54 Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean it basically created I mean, for lack

48:57 Speaker 10: of another, it basically ripped off an of its song

49:00 Speaker 10: on those first two as far as really, well.

49:03 Speaker 7: I don't I don't think it sounded just like me.

49:06 Speaker 7: But but because I didn't, well I didn't. I didn't

49:09 Speaker 7: hear a hook like I didn't hear a hit single

49:11 Speaker 7: in those but I did hear I mean, I did

49:15 Speaker 7: hear something. This sounds like it was probably drawn from

49:17 Speaker 7: a lot of different influences. But but what I also

49:20 Speaker 7: heard was something that that if you had played that

49:23 Speaker 7: for me, if you would if you had played one

49:27 Speaker 7: of those for me and I had no idea who

49:31 Speaker 7: who the artist was, where the song came from. If

49:34 Speaker 7: I didn't know anything about it and you played that

49:38 Speaker 7: for me and you just said, what do you think?

49:43 Speaker 7: I would probably say, well, this is is this someone

49:46 Speaker 7: who wants to come on the show because this is incredible.

49:48 Speaker 7: I want to get them on the show, you know

49:50 Speaker 7: what I mean. Yeah, Like that's how good and convincing

49:53 Speaker 7: it is. And it was completely AI generated. So and

49:58 Speaker 7: I even kind of joked, like what did I say, Well,

50:01 Speaker 7: I guess so, I guess music is dead now because

50:04 Speaker 7: we have this, we don't need anyone to create any

50:07 Speaker 7: more music. And I was kidding, but I was sort

50:10 Speaker 7: of like half kidding, like, oh my god, like this

50:16 Speaker 7: this is beyond anything I would have imagined or expected.

50:19 Speaker 10: So one of the spokespeople for the Department of Science,

50:22 Speaker 10: Innovation and Technology, this is in regards.

50:26 Speaker 1: To the UK. Their statement, it's quite bold.

50:31 Speaker 10: Their statement is to say that the current laws that

50:34 Speaker 10: exists in the UK for a copyright is holding back

50:39 Speaker 10: the creative industries of media and AI sectors from realizing

50:44 Speaker 10: their full.

50:45 Speaker 1: Potential, and that it cannot continue, and that's why they

50:48 Speaker 1: want this.

50:49 Speaker 10: Law passed that would allow all of them, empower all

50:53 Speaker 10: of them to use everybody's everything unless the artist opts out.

50:57 Speaker 1: And they call that a a good solution. I've never

51:03 Speaker 1: been a fan of opt out.

51:05 Speaker 10: I've always been a fan of you opt in, not

51:08 Speaker 10: you know what I mean? Like I I've always hated

51:11 Speaker 10: the whole everybody. This is such a departure from traditional

51:17 Speaker 10: copyright law.

51:18 Speaker 7: Well, we're in way, way, way in the uncharted territory

51:23 Speaker 7: with all of this. This is so far beyond anything

51:25 Speaker 7: we've ever had to figure out. I mean, oh my god,

51:29 Speaker 7: Like I remember when remember, like I don't know more

51:33 Speaker 7: than twenty years ago, jeez, maybe twenty five years ago,

51:36 Speaker 7: when when Napster came along and file sharing and everybody, everybody,

51:45 Speaker 7: everybody at the time was freaking out, and it was like, whoa,

51:47 Speaker 7: because of the Internet. We're an uncharted territory here. We

51:51 Speaker 7: had no idea like this makes Napster and file sharing

51:56 Speaker 7: and everything in the way the Internet started to change

51:59 Speaker 7: the music industry. This makes that look like a blip

52:02 Speaker 7: on the radar in terms of cataclysmic or potentially cataclysmic

52:07 Speaker 7: change to how everything operates. This is so far beyond that.

52:13 Speaker 7: And I wonder, so my one of my thoughts, and

52:17 Speaker 7: again I'm kind of if I sound like I'm stumbling

52:19 Speaker 7: in the dark here and kind of grappling for or

52:22 Speaker 7: grasping at ideas here, it's because again, what we did

52:27 Speaker 7: earlier in the show is really affected how I'm thinking

52:31 Speaker 7: about this because again, this technology is better than what

52:37 Speaker 7: I realized. I guess it's like kind of a slap

52:40 Speaker 7: in the face of reality because at the end of

52:41 Speaker 7: the day, I will always always advocate on behalf of artists,

52:49 Speaker 7: although I also love.

52:50 Speaker 1: Technology, rip off technology.

52:52 Speaker 7: But here's the thing though, So I'm wondering. One of

52:55 Speaker 7: my questions is how hard is it to opt out?

52:59 Speaker 7: Is it a big deal?

53:02 Speaker 1: And who do you op out with? Like, is there

53:03 Speaker 1: gonna are they going to create a government entity that catalogs?

53:07 Speaker 1: Do these companies have to register?

53:10 Speaker 7: How does that work? Well, that's the thing. So I

53:13 Speaker 7: wonder about it.

53:14 Speaker 10: That current copyright law when you think about it, right,

53:17 Speaker 10: so we're replacing in some respects the existing law that

53:21 Speaker 10: exists to protect artists well.

53:24 Speaker 7: And and but even with current copyright law, when it

53:26 Speaker 7: comes to copyrights and trademarks, a lot of people, entertainment

53:30 Speaker 7: lawyers for example, will argue that that even the existing

53:33 Speaker 7: laws are inadequate, even taking AI out of it. Even

53:36 Speaker 7: before AI, And.

53:39 Speaker 10: There's always been people out there that I've wanted to

53:42 Speaker 10: have access to things all the time, Like when you

53:47 Speaker 10: talk about laws that remember when we talked about athletes

53:52 Speaker 10: like controlling their.

53:53 Speaker 1: Images, right, controlling their likeness, Yes, exactly.

53:56 Speaker 10: So there's there's always been a movement out there that

53:59 Speaker 10: doesn't want them to have the right to be able

54:01 Speaker 10: to do that. Or when somebody dies, they want to

54:03 Speaker 10: be able to jump on that and utilize that person's

54:07 Speaker 10: image now that they're dead, and some states allow that

54:10 Speaker 10: and other states protect it for a number of years.

54:13 Speaker 10: So this is going into that this is the exact

54:15 Speaker 10: same thing, only on steroids. Because if you let this

54:19 Speaker 10: once this opened, I mean it's one could argue the

54:22 Speaker 10: gates already open you you can't close it.

54:25 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the.

54:26 Speaker 10: AI techs are already utilizing other people's music to learn music.

54:30 Speaker 10: That's the only way it can learn is to use

54:33 Speaker 10: other people's stuff.

54:36 Speaker 7: So the one Devil's Advocate argument that I will offer,

54:39 Speaker 7: and I've said this on the show before, is if

54:42 Speaker 7: you are a musician, you're already everything that you create

54:48 Speaker 7: as a musician, everything that comes out of your brain,

54:52 Speaker 7: is in some way a product or influenced by everything

54:55 Speaker 7: that you've learned about music over the course of your life,

54:58 Speaker 7: and is influenced by and formed by everything that you've

55:01 Speaker 7: heard in your life up to that moment that you

55:04 Speaker 7: create something.

55:05 Speaker 1: But humans have the ability to spark creation, yeah, within

55:09 Speaker 1: and of itself.

55:10 Speaker 10: Well, I don't know, so does a I would see

55:12 Speaker 10: with what we did brain, with what we did from

55:14 Speaker 10: every other brain.

55:15 Speaker 7: With what we did today. I mean, my god, I mean,

55:18 Speaker 7: I don't mean.

55:19 Speaker 1: That's not the same thing a spark.

55:21 Speaker 7: I'm just saying, though I can't, I cannot overstate how

55:27 Speaker 7: you really are shocked by it. I am, I am,

55:31 Speaker 7: I genuinely am.

55:33 Speaker 1: It's how quick it just comes up with something like that.

55:37 Speaker 2: But it what was it?

55:39 Speaker 1: But break it down?

55:40 Speaker 2: What was it?

55:40 Speaker 7: Fifteen seconds? I click create and then bam.

55:43 Speaker 1: They're like, oh my god, but let's break this down.

55:46 Speaker 1: We're talking about computer technology.

55:47 Speaker 10: A bunch of ones and zeros that talk to a

55:49 Speaker 10: bunch of other ones and zeros pull out the information

55:52 Speaker 10: it has, clombs it together and creates this. It's umpteen

55:56 Speaker 10: different minds together. It's not the same thing as a

55:58 Speaker 10: human being who takes the world and then a creative

56:03 Speaker 10: spark creates a new song. I don't think that's I

56:05 Speaker 10: don't think it's the same. Yeah, But I don't like

56:10 Speaker 10: the fact that the way that they have this set up.

56:13 Speaker 1: If it passes.

56:14 Speaker 10: It just kind of usurps everybody's copyright because everybody's in,

56:20 Speaker 10: and then you're gonna go find it to take yourself out.

56:23 Speaker 7: Like I said, I want to know more about the

56:25 Speaker 7: I want, I want. I want to know about the

56:27 Speaker 7: mechanics of it. It's it's it's one thing too. It's

56:31 Speaker 7: one thing to talk about an idea, about a concept.

56:33 Speaker 7: It's another thing to know exactly how the execution is

56:37 Speaker 7: going to work, exactly who's in charge of it, exactly

56:40 Speaker 7: how complex it's going to be. Uh for people to

56:43 Speaker 7: in this case opt out or opt in or however

56:46 Speaker 7: it's going to work. I guess this is opt out.

56:48 Speaker 1: It happens in Britain. These companies can operate out of Britain.

56:54 Speaker 7: Then you've got a whole other Yeah, then you've got

56:56 Speaker 7: a whole other work. Then you've got a whole other

56:58 Speaker 7: set of issues because obviously there's not going to be

57:01 Speaker 7: some sort of international law.

57:04 Speaker 1: It kind of makes you wonder if there shouldn't be

57:06 Speaker 1: some way.

57:07 Speaker 7: To protect artists and how do you even do that.

57:11 Speaker 10: I'll live in a world that's that's not everything's connected now, Yeah,

57:15 Speaker 10: it's a different world. Maybe we need to think globally

57:18 Speaker 10: when it comes to protecting artists.

57:20 Speaker 7: We's yeah, I mean I don't know.

57:24 Speaker 1: I don't think globally on some basics stuff.

57:27 Speaker 7: It's hard to think globally on much. Yeah, it's getting

57:30 Speaker 7: even more difficult now. Okay. While on that note, uh

57:34 Speaker 7: so we'll we'll begin to wrap up, but uh, do

57:37 Speaker 7: you want to plug your website before we go?

57:40 Speaker 10: You can find me and more information about me and

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57:55 Speaker 10: let me know.

57:55 Speaker 1: What you think or if you need me.

57:57 Speaker 10: Also, I did want to briefly mention the Mosaic Art

57:59 Speaker 10: collect They are having an open call for a new

58:04 Speaker 10: show coming up about Celestial but you really should check

58:08 Speaker 10: this place out. It's an amazing local gallery here in

58:11 Speaker 10: the Queen City at sixty six Anover Street, Sweet two

58:14 Speaker 10: one in the Daily Mirror building.

58:17 Speaker 1: Do check them out. The Mosaic Arcollective dot com.

58:20 Speaker 10: Excellent organization and incredible artists showcasing local talent, which is

58:26 Speaker 10: amazing and we need more of yep. Oh, absolutely absolutely

58:30 Speaker 10: we have an incredible amount of art and talent here

58:33 Speaker 10: in New Hampshire.

58:35 Speaker 7: We are definitely blessed and thank you of course all

58:38 Speaker 7: the wonderful guests that we had today, John Denton who

58:41 Speaker 7: skyped in from the UK, and then we had Ian

58:43 Speaker 7: Gallipo here with us in studio, and of course we

58:48 Speaker 7: just had Jordan Barney from Becoming Human really like what

58:53 Speaker 7: he's doing. And if you miss any part of today's show,

58:55 Speaker 7: it will be up in just a little bit at

58:57 Speaker 7: Wmnhradio dot org and at my website Matt Connorton dot com.

59:01 Speaker 7: And by the way, you can learn more about me

59:02 Speaker 7: and all the things I do at Mattconnorton dot com.

59:05 Speaker 7: And uh we will leave you with this, uh again

59:08 Speaker 7: if you missed it earlier. This is called Can't Touch

59:10 Speaker 7: Your Missteps and uh this is this is this is

59:17 Speaker 7: one of the AI generated tracks. Uh see what you see?

59:21 Speaker 7: What you think of it?

59:25 Speaker 13: Yeah, pay so baggy looking like high air balloons dancing

59:35 Speaker 13: on TV.

59:36 Speaker 2: But your career puppy.

59:37 Speaker 1: Soon your sticks and catches out of gold and room.

59:40 Speaker 1: Now you bake account and fier than a month.

59:42 Speaker 13: Soon's trends hard saw your flaws on display.

59:45 Speaker 7: Paid for your fame.

59:46 Speaker 9: Man, you can't afford to stay.

59:48 Speaker 7: Used to be a star now your win disarray.

59:50 Speaker 2: Can't touch success when it slips.

59:52 Speaker 13: Away, can't touch your missteps.

59:54 Speaker 2: Man, it's