Matt Connarton Unleashed 4-26-23

H Hello, everybody, welcome at that time again Matt Connerton unleashed. Now

I have to stop myself because normally I opened the show. By the way,

that track opening track was Savages by Downhill Rollers. We had the gentleman

from Downhill Rollers on the show months ago and I still love that song.

And by the way, I think that's an appropriate song for what Eric Pilcher

and I are going to be discussing in a little bit. When he calls

in, you'll understand. But Savages, I love that song. If you're

looking for it, it's on Spotify. It's everywhere. Savages by Downhill Rollers.

That's the name of the band. It's really just one guy. He

does everything. It's it's great. But so this is where I do the

intro for the show. But I'm stopping myself because my friends, for the

first time ever in the history of the program, we have a we have

an intro generated by chat GPT for me to read. Now. This was

provided by us by our friend Nick Murdoch, who I think of Nick as

because he does help me out. I think of him as sort of like

a remote producer of the show. He helps us with a lot of this

stuff. And I think it's wonderful and he reminds me of things, and

so he put this in the Facebook live chat. So let's see and we'll

see. Maybe we'll vote on it. People can weigh in if they think

that the chat GPT generated intro and it's not there's there's no sound to it.

It's not audio. It's it's a script that I will read for you.

We'll see how that matches up to what I say, what I normally

say at the beginning of the show. So let's see. Let's see how

this flows. So this is the intro generated by chat gptm Ladies and gentlemen,

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and alter that in real time because the wrong chat GPT put a different phone

number, so it's not perfect. But so I'll repeat that sentence again,

but with the correct phone number. And if you want to hear your dulcet

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to be unleashed with Matt Connerton. No, I love it. I love

that chat GPT. Oh. Nick. Now, this is another thing that's

great about Nick and his production, his production duties as a as a as

an unofficial remote, de facto producer, he takes responsibility for his mistakes,

and I like that. Not everyone does that. Nick said in the chat

room, Oops, wrong number. I am so sorry. I told that

number to chat GPT, so we can't blame chat GPT. That was a

human error, but operator error on that. Oh that's a good pond operator

because we're talking about a phone number. Get it. I didn't even intend

that. It just flows out of me. That's why I'm in Afternoon Drive

anyway. But uh no, but that's okay, Nick, You're forgiven for

the error and thank you for that. So that is a chat GPT generated

script that I can read at the beginning of the show. It's not drastically

different from what I say. Regardless, also too might be a little a

little misleading. So in terms of sponsors, so obviously, anyone who becomes

a sponsor here of any of the shows at WMNH, you become not only

a sponsor of that show, but also a sponsor of the station. Um.

But uh so the hop not for example, uh came in under for

sponsorship, came in under this show. Matt Connerton unleashed. I believe Clementos,

both Clementos and Queen City Cabinetry technically are sponsors of the Morning show.

But by sponsoring the morning Show, they also sponsored WMNH. So I mentioned

them on this show as well. You know, obviously it doesn't matter to

me what show they came in through the station under. They are sponsors of.

You know, they're part of this family. They're sponsors of WMH.

So, but the way chat GPT worded it, it almost sounded like,

you know, they're sponsors specifically of my show, which they are not.

Only the hop not is a sponsor of this show specifically, and of course

WMH ninety five point three. But uh, you know, but overall though,

I think it's great this chat GPT. Now, I will tell you

just a quick side note. So I was listening to Howard Stern one day

and uh, they had put in they had a chat complete with audio,

a chat GPT generated intro, you know, to see what AI would come

up with for you, like like a first not an intro, but the

first the opening, the first few minutes after the theme music plays of what

of the dialogue between Howard and Robin. They had an AI generated version of

that. It was only a few minutes long, but it was pretty funny.

But it was it was funny to hear it because it was like,

you know, Howard saying to Robin, Robin, how are you this morning?

And Robin saying, I'm I'm fine, how are you Howard? That

kind of thing. So, but our friend Eric Pilcher is on the line,

Hello sir, Hello Matt. Nice to see you have survived media armageddon.

Well, who knows, it could still be uh, it could still

be in progress. Yeah, right, do I still have a classic film

review this Friday team all the big name for getting canned. Well here's the

thing, and this is a little inside, but uh and I was going

to talk to you about this off air. But uh, you know the

uh, you know, the the comedy special that uh, that you and

I did together when I flew down to Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and you

were recording that comedy that comedy special and I performed that as well. Well,

here's what I need you to do. Uh, if you don't mind,

I need you to edit out all of all of your part in that

and just leave me in it. And uh and I know, I know

technically the special uh is supposed to be called an Evening of Comedy with Eric

Pilcher, But uh, but I own you and I demand you edit it

again. That was very inside. That's a that's a reference to us,

Stephen proud of versus uh yeah, versus Dave Land. Now you do control

me, Nat, Yes, I suppose I can do that. I hope

you watched that whole interview, otherwise you wouldn't even get the joke. Did

you watch that? Yeah? Okay, good? All rights exactly. I'm

saying I'm worried. I'm like, wait a minute, has he even watched

watched the Michael Malice interview with Dave Landau? Because if not, this is

all going to be lost on Eric. Yeah anyway, yeah, I mean,

so, just where do you want to start here? I mean,

two of the most insufferable toe rags in news media no longer have jobs.

Oh, Stephen Crowder and Candas Owens are both out already. Oh I'm sorry.

No, No, I'm talking about Tucker Carlson. That is true.

That is true. Hey. By the way, before we proceed, I

want to just uh, Pete Trouble Morris is in the Facebook live chat and

I want to give him a special shout out. He said in the chat.

Great to see you earlier, Matt, I happen to run in to

that fine gentleman right across the street actually at the Brady Sullivan in front of

the Hopknot so uh, and it was great to see him. I'm glad

he said something, because I wouldn't have known it was him. We were

both wearing sunglasses. And I think I've only met him in person once.

It was at an event at the Hopknot actually but but it was. It

was nice to see you, sir, Yes, nice to see you.

And so oh and by the way, to Eric before we go any further,

because this is for you specifically, Scott Robinson, and the chat room

says, I would love for Eric to do a review of the movie Affliction

with Nick Nolty. It's a great movie, which I'm not familiar with.

Iver seen it. I've never even heard of that, Scott. I will

certainly look into it. Yes, I in my head, I have summer

mapped out, yes, yes already, so yes, yes, because you

know, uh kind of want to do like blockbuster films for the most part.

Yes, because that's what summer's all about, is blockbuster movies. Indeed,

and uh and I will let one cat out of the bag if you

will indulge me. Oh of course. Last review of June will be Raiders

of the Lost Start to commemorate the release of Indiana Jones five. I remember

watching that with my dad. Oh. I love Raiders of the Lost Start.

But I also liked Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls. Oh yeah, yeah,

I like the fourth one so wow. So yeah. And also,

by the way, Melanie is asking about her recommendation no, no, no,

no. She made a recommendation today on the Facebook for a film.

You know, I love Melanie on Liberty, I love the Great Stadium Vermont.

Yes, I love her husband j Fad, But I'm not reviewing that

movie. Would you would you get in an ice bath with Jay fed Uh?

No? Uh. Due to theological belief, some people might frown upon

there. I understand. Well, this's you know, I mean, it's

just it's just an ice bath, you know, as Freud I believe said,

sometimes an ice bath is just an ice bath. Oh. One other

thing, speaking of Freud, because when I think of Freud, I think

of my dad, because my dad likes to quote Freud. My dad was

a guest last night on Patriot Confederation with Billy Painter and John Grosvenor, and

that is up and available if you want to see it. Uh. It's

funny. They stream it live on YouTube, but then they take it off

of But then they don't leave it on YouTube. They posted on Rumble,

which makes complete sense because YouTube would strike it if they left it on YouTube.

So it's up on Rumble. So if you want to see it,

don't go there right now, obviously, please wait until later after the show.

But if you go to rumble dot com and just do a search for

the Bearded Patriots the Bearded Patriots channel on Rumble, and you'll see my dad

was on last night's episode of Patriot Confederation. He shows up about halfway in

between, half halfway in between, halfway into the show. So it's an

at one hour show. My dad shows up at about the thirty minute mark

and you can hear his discussion with them. So there you go. I

always enjoy being on Outlaw Radio whenever I'm asked and whenever I'm able to.

Yeah, it's a great time. Yes, yes, yes, so I

enjoy discussions with Billy. By the way, Nick Murdock says, I would

take an ice bath with every one of Maddie's listeners at the same time,

even I don't even care. I love all of you. That's very nice.

I would have to be a very too, have to be a big

ice bath, I would think, though, to fit us all in it.

Yeah, is he talking just regular listeners or uh I feel there has

to be like an addendum. Uh yeah, I mean that's that's brought well.

He did say all uh you know, and uh yeah, I like

to I like to imagine just uh, Eric, I like to imagine just

millions of people around the globe, just uh, just tuning in right now,

hearing, hearing, hearing us. Uh, well, I know one

person that would crush that dream for you. Oh my goodness, yes,

I mean yeah, he's a he's a deranged, moronic individual from uh the

trash heap of Jersey. So yeah, oh that that could be a couple

of people. But I think I know who you mean. Charles Richardson passes

on the ice path. He needs bubbles and more temperature. I understand,

yes, Now, uh so can you even have a bath bomb in then

ice bath? Can you have what an ice bath? Can you have a

bath bomb? I thought it the water had to be hot for a bath

bomb. A bath bomb. Yeah. If Charles wants bubbles, that's oh

I get what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

Yeah, well he needs yeah, he needs bubbles in room temperature, so

it would have to be warmer, uh like I would be a bath right

exactly exactly. I think that's his way of politely saying he'll pass. I

understand, Charles, I understand, hey, by the way too, just

quickly and then uh, and then we will get into uh, into our

discussion. But coming up at five pm today, five pm Eastern. UH.

Here on the show, we're gonna be joined by Becoming Human. That's

our musical guest today, all the way from Texas. We're gonna play at

the top of the art. We're gonna play Scars their recent single, and

then after our conversation, we we'll be talking with Uh. After we talk

with Becoming Human, we're gonna play the new single. Uh. What was

the way I forgot that? I'm so bad. I forgot the title so

much for my millions of listeners, they'll just shut me off. Um,

oh no, wait, oh no, here it is. I'm sorry,

I'm confused. Our World. I wanted to say it was called one World,

but it's actually called Our World. So I'm glad I checked. Yeah,

there you go. So that'll be that'll be coming up today in the

second hour. But Eric, yes, uh so, Tucker Carlson and Don

Lemon of course both out and we still don't know official reasons. Well,

I mean Fox just settled a multi million dollars defamation lawsuit that Tucker was a

major part of a major Yes, and then I mean don Lemon. I

do we really need to go down the list of reasons CNN had here?

Well, now I am, I mean, I'm curious to explore that with

you. So you you said something to me and messenger we were talking about

how you It was something about how you know, people were talking about like

Tucker was worse, the worse of the two, and you kind of saw

them both both as equally bad. And I and you made an interesting point

about that, and I want you to repeat it here, but I I

because I said, well, I don't really I don't really see it the

same, and I don't think they're equally bad because and I and I took

your your point was interesting, So I do. I do want to get

to that in a moment, but I'll just make my my argument briefly.

UM. You know, with Tucker Carlson, we have someone who helped to

um really put I would say, uh, directly contributing to January six,

Tucker Carlson did by being the the top spokesperson on Fix for you know what

is commonly referred to as the big lie that the that the election was stolen,

and he helped to fuel all of that and continued to fuel that after

January sixth and so forth. So I think Tucker Carlson has done direct damage

to the country in a way that uh, Don Lemon never could. Um,

that would be my argument. So I would put I would put Tucker

Carlson uh as truly contemptible. I'll be honest with you. Don Lemon to

me was always kind of I never really had strong feelings about the guy one

way or another. UM, but I know that there are some stories about

and behind the scenes that sound pretty unfortunate, shall we say, but anyway,

So that would be my argument. But but I but tell us,

tell us your thoughts, please what I what I said, And I still

believe this is Don Lemon was on a lease, Tucker was not. Huh.

If Don Lemon didn't, If Don Lemon was given the leeway Tucker Carlson

was given, he would have been the left version of Tucker Carlton. So

if they would have left him on prime Time, yes, they would have

just let him go. Now that is an interesting That is an interesting point

because you're right about you know, obviously on Fox they let Tucker do whatever

he wanted, no matter how uncomfortable executives there might have been with it.

They they they let him even even after even after they settled that lawsuit with

dominion. They Tucker Carlson went on the air. I don't know if you

saw this clip. He went on the air and continued to poke the bear

with comments unbelievable and uh and that is true. No, yeah, no

regard Yeah, yeah, and I think that might have had something to do

with this firing. Um, don lemon, ahead, go ahead, Eric,

I think I think with Tucker, it's okay. We just settled a

multimillion dollar laws because of you, right, and you you are doing the

same things over and over is over again? Yeah? When do we say

enough? Yeah, like you have your primary base. The leader of your

primary base, Mitch McConnell standing at the Capitol outside the Capitol to the media

basically saying I don't like Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson was wrong and that's bad.

Those are very bad optics if your Fox knew. And I think that

had a lot to do with it. And no one is talking about Mitch

McConnell's rebuke of Tucker after he aired the January sixth uh faux video. Sure,

yeah, yeah, And people need to understand Fox News unlike MSNBC and

unlike DNN, they know their base, they embrace their base. And when

Mitch McConnell came out and said that, in my head, I was like,

this ain't good for Tucker. This is not good for Tucker approaching primary

season. Yeah, closer than people think twenty twenty four elections. Mitch McConnell

has a lot of poll And when Mitch McConnell and Matt You're you know more

about politics than I do, And I hope you agree. When Mitch McConnell

says something, the Republicans listen and they're hard to be some apprehension by some

bid name Republicans like do I upset the base? And do I dare talk

with this guy? I think that had a lot to do with it.

So I partially agree in the sense that obviously Mitch McConnell is extraordinarily powerful.

Um, you know he is, uh, you know, the minority leader

in the Senate. Um. But U. But UM, I don't.

I don't think I disagree with you that that had anything to do with it.

I don't think Fox cares what Mitch McConnell thinks. I think they care

what the audience thinks, and I don't think. See. My theory is

um, So, first of all, you know, they just settled the

lawsuit with Dominion. Now Smart Maddock is next, and so so Tucker may

have been a sacrificial lamb. Also Abby Grossberg, apparently this this might be

the real this might be the be all end all of it. Abby Grossberg,

former producer. Uh, we don't know yet what exactly what she has

to say in court. Um, but she is suing, and uh,

you know there there may have been anti semitic comments. And I have some

new I have some new things that I found today about what she is saying.

Oh, I have not heard about anything new on the Grossman's front.

Yeah, is a Grossman or Grossberg? I believe it's Grossberg, but I

keep I keep hearing people Rosberg. I'm sorry. Yeah, I know that

that that was something, And I love the way you frame that because I

know that something down the road. Yeah. People are like, like,

if you read articles from like Reuters and BBC News, that's at the end

of the article, right right, So not but so, yeah, it's

something definitely worth considering that. Okay, we settled two lawsuits. There's two

more. Um, and if it comes out that Tucker did say anti Semitic

statements, which I'm not saying he did. I'm not saying he didn't,

right right, Um, I'm gonna lean on the side that fifty three forty

eight that he did, fifty three forty seven that he did, right right.

Um. Yeah, he just seems like that swarmy type of guy that

would think that because he generates ratings for the network, he can say whatever

you want. Well, that's the thing, and whatever it is, clearly

it has uh uh, it has them very very worried because he not only

the number one host on Fox, the number one host in all of cable

news. Um, which is probably why he thought he could get away with,

you know, for example, sort of poking the bear after the lawsuit

was settled with dominion. Um. So whatever it is, it it's bad

and they needed to uh, they needed to offload him quickly. Um.

Now you're you're just thought us too. Yeah. You look at who the

preemptive nominee is going to be for the Republican Party. He loves Tucker,

does he his boys? Oh that but that gets that gets uh. That's

a complex relationship there because Yeah, he loves Tucker in the sense that Tucker

public he says many glowing things about him. But remember we learned one of

the things that we learned from those text messages that came out in Discovery,

and I have not heard Tucker explain this, and probably because there is no

explanation he can offer. Privately, Tucker was texting about how much he hates

Trump and he couldn't wait for Trump to go away. What did he say

in one text message? I think he says I hate him passionately. And

I saw an interview with I forget who it was who was interviewing him.

Somebody was interviewing Trump and asking Trump about Tucker's firing, and he was pretty

abrasive on him. Not abrasive, touch shorter. Well, the thing is,

so he's asked about it, and Trump is answering, and he's he's

saying things about He's saying things like, yeah, you know that it's too

bad, But he's got this little bit of a smirk on his face.

It was one of those instances where Trump was saying did not match his expression.

The smirk was very subtle. But Trump has a very expressive face,

and so you know, for those of us who see him for what he

is. You know, he's not getting one over on us, right,

So he's got this little subtle but it's there. It's there. He's got

this smirk because I mean, how awkward must have it been for Trump and

Tucker sitting down recently for that interview where Tucker was interviewing Trump. And obviously

Trump knows all the terrible things Stucker said about him. But I think with

Trump it's all about what you say publicly ultimately, right, So a complex

relationship. He doesn't care what you say about him privately as long as you

give him the adulation he guilty deserves publicly. Yes, yes, But to

kind of circle back to your point about Don Lemon, so it is true.

I mean Don Lemon, they had restraints on him because he was demoted,

and you know, they tried to spend it as not a demotion at

the time, but he but it is a demotion when you're when you're in

prime time and then you're moved to mournings and in your primetime spot, you

were the host and now you're sharing your morning time slot with two other hosts.

Because you know, obviously in television, prime time is you know eight

to eleven PM at night and mornings, uh, you know the mornings are

are are kind of you know second to that. It's it's it's the opposite

of like like in radio, it's the opposite, right in radio, morning

drive is prime time and then afternoon drive is second and so on. So

um but uh but for him, so obviously that was a demotion. So

but um, I guess I don't agree with you about them being just as

bad for a couple of reasons. So so one one, Eric, I

would just say, yeah, you can say if if Don Lemon didn't ever

restraints on him, he would have just been the left's version of Tucker Carlson

full bore. But but that's a that's a hypothetical. You can't prove it.

And the other thing and the and the other thing I would say is,

I don't know what exactly Don Lemon, even if he had become sort

of the extreme left version of Tucker Carlson, I don't know what he even

in that in that scenario, I don't know what he would have done that

would have been as damaging as what Tucker Carlson did. Like I see any

anyone who directly contributed to the Big lie and directly contributed to uh what happened

January sixth, which I use the term insurrection. I think it's an appropriate

term to use. UM. I I don't know what Don Lemon would have

ever done that would have possibly matched that in terms of damage to the country.

You know what I'm saying, and that's fair. I let me just

preface this by saying, I try not to be biased. I am not

a Don Lemon fan. I do not like him. UM. I think

when you use your position as a journalist, and I've said this so many

times on your show, the responsibility of all of us. You're a journalist.

I'm a journalist. Even the jealous one in its own deranged way,

is a journalist. The freedom of the press, the amendment that calls for

freedom of the press calls us watch dogs for the public. It doesn't say

watch dogs for the Republican public. It doesn't say watchdogs for the lgbt QI

public. It doesn't say there's no addendum to that. And when you use

your power, and like Tucker did, and like Don Lemon did in the

Juicy Smoke, Malay K. Smollett whatever his name is, too, was

told something off the record and then told someone under an investigation for multiple selonie

that he was a suspect. Yeah, and to law he should lawyer up.

That is reprehensible to me. And you're right, it's nowhere near what

Tucker did it. What Tucker did with that video for me was the last

straw. Oh yeah, yeah, to sit there and paint this idea that

January six follow it wasn't as bad as we thought. Look at that if

he's just walking in I know, no people fall for that. I say,

I've actually stolen your line many times to debate people on this. Yeah,

they brought damn gallows. Yeah, like you don't bring gallows with you

somewhere Just for shell Well the thing that I like to say too, and

for anyone who's who's unclear what what Eric is referring to. As you know,

Kevin McCarthy gave Tucker Carlson the video surveillance footage of January six, and

then Tucker does a segment showing h showing peaceful moments from that and saying,

see, see, no big deal. The media has been lined you see.

Uh it really was just a tourist event. See And uh, you

know What I like to say is it would be like if um if if

if if somebody committed an armed robbery at a convenience store, and then the

defense attorney for the h the assailant gets up in court and says, well,

listen, you know the prosecute. They showed you. They showed you

the minute of surveillance camera footage that day of my suspect committing that armed robbery.

But what are they hiding from you? They didn't show you the other

twenty three hours and fifty nine minutes of my client not committing that armed robbery.

Ah. Yeah, they're hiding that from you, aren't they. I'm

going to show you that and prove that my client is not guilty. You

know, it would be the equivalent of that. But you know, yeah,

and and so and let's not let's not act like that, Don lemon

And I'm not accusing you of this, Matt, I'm yea in generality,

Yeah, yeah, let's not act like that. Don Lemon Is was someone

that was just caught off guard and was told, you know, there were

warning signs that hey, this needs to stop me personally, I think the

decision was made in UH when the UH stuff wouldn't when the whole thing,

the Nicky Haley controversy happened. Yes, I think the decision was made done.

Actually, Melanie in the chat room just referred to that with a great

comment. She said, I just hope they didn't pair Don Lemon with any

women past age thirty. Uh, they are just past their prime. He

can't be expected to work under those conditions. I actually that's a very fair

point by Melanie. I honestly think that the two women he was paired with

are over the age of thirty. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Well. But but in Don Lemon's defense, he did google it.

He did google it, so you know, yeah, you know what,

You're right, he's totally forgiven. Now. That was that was a very

very bizarre moment. That was, Yeah, that was that was a guy

when when he made those comments about Nicki Haley being pastor prime. That was

that was a guy pushing the self destruct button, you know, right in

front of him. There was on his desk, right in front of him.

He says, I'm just gonna go ahead and push this button multiple times.

It's bizarre, and it gets more and more cringe. Yeah, the

time you watch it, I don't know if there's any Office fans in the

office in the audience. I'm sure there is. Yeah. It's like my

favorite episode of the Office date Night. It is one of the most cringe

inducing episodes of television, comedy television. You will see, Yes, I

remember it. Yeah, keep watching it because you're like, what is going

to happen next? Yeah, And the worst defense you can give is,

I'm just telling me what the computer says. Yeah. There was such a

strange moment because it was one of those things where you know, even if

he's thinking this, how does he not know not to say this out loud?

It was just bizarre and it was Yeah, it was just it was

just strange. It was like, is he trying to get fired? Why

would why would you say something like that. Let's go back to that point.

You have to you would have to think someone as successful as Dammmen was

has a buyout. Oh yeah, I'm sure, Yeah he's fine. Some

point did he just say you know what, forget it. I'm I'm going

all in. Mm I'm going all in. Is they're going to get rid

of me? So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna make it worth it.

Yeah, it's gonna be worth my time and I'm going to get paid

and before we dismiss it, yeah, I want to. I want,

really want some thought to be given to that, because he was obviously unhappy

when they kicked him off Prime Time. And my point about him becoming the

left version of Tucker is really alludes to his time that he had while he

was still on Prime Time. He was really really he was pushing a narrative

that he wanted to push. Oh, yeah, that's that's true. Yeah,

he had he'd be because you know what, you know what it was,

Eric, I think that the U during the Trump administration, they like

CNN Primetime just became It became like MSNBC, whereas I feel like prior to

that, Don Lemon had always been just more of a straight news anchor um.

But then it was like both he and Chris Cuomo, who was still

there at the time, through most of the Trump administration, they just kind

of became they became MSNBC light um. Oh, by the way, I

just want to say so, Melanie said in the chat room, why are

you trying to rationalize a blatant sexist comment. No, I don't think anyone's

trying to rationalize that, Melanie. I mean, and I don't know if

that was directed at Eric or me or both of us, but I mean,

I was just saying, why would you even if you have a thought

like that, why would you say it out loud knowing it's going to wreck

your career? But no, no, I would never rationalize what donay?

Oh yeah No, His comment was, yeah, I was blatantly sexist.

Absolutely. It's my point is he had an ulterior motive in doing it.

He didn't like, he didn't just say that he knew he I think he

was honestly when he did it. He he was like, you know what,

I'm just going to say whatever I want. And if they fire me,

they fire me. Yeah. What he didn't plan for? What he

what he didn't plan for? And this is this, And I honestly believe

this is CNN to kick him off the air for three days to the broadcaster

I forgot about that is more humiliating than being fired. I'd forgotten about that

your off air. Your program is still going off. And that's true.

The world is still moving, but it's moving without you. That's a good

point. Yeah, that train keeps a rolling, whether you're on it or

not. Yeah, yep. And I honestly think during those three days,

executives saw some things. And then i'm this is just me speculating. I

have no inside knowledge. I don't know, I have none of that.

Yeah, But what they did is they're like, hmm, the train rolls

smoother right now, what's going on. It's like when the bad employee is

on a vacation and then the company finally realizes. It's like the light bulb

went off and they're like, m Okay, well, let's see if he

comes back he gets on board with what we're trying to do here. Yeah,

And I think he came back and he just I think he came back

and he just, uh, he just kept doing what he was supposed to

be doing. Yeah. Well, if some of the stories that we hear

about him being unpleasant to work with are true, then it was probably nice

not having him there for a few days. And then he came back and

it wasn't so nice. And you know that might have been. By the

way, I want to ask you two about that, because the prevailing theory

that I see online Eric is that this had to do with um the very

see I wouldn't even consider it in an argument, but the very spirited discussion

that he had with v VEC. How do you say his last name?

Is it remass Away? I heard my dad say it on Billy's and John

Rovenor's show flawlessly, But I struggled with his last name. But you know

who I'm talking about. You've seen the segment, right, is his?

Uh? Yes? So dad mentioned it to me on one of my poth

Oh okay, yeah, I don't think. I don't think that that segment

had anything to do with it. I think every because that that seems to

be the prevailing theory, but I think that's wrong. I don't think that

that segment was I don't I don't think they fired him for that. I

mean, to me, it was just I think that might have been the

straw that broke the camel's back. Do you really think so? I do,

because we got to look at optics here. He essentially to me he

was borderline questioning someone's someone's blackness. And when you wrote a book about fighting

the fire of racism, a book that bombed, by the way, it

did awful. Oh dude, I literally forgot about his book. So yeah,

I understand bombed. Yeah, I forgot. I forgot the book even

existed. I forgot he wrote it. Yeah when when the book failed as

miserably as his dead Yeah, I don't. I'm actually on my way to

a Barnes and Noble right now. I don't even think they probably carry it

in s thought, because why take up the shelf space, right, And

keep in mind they do carry books by day the Duke. Let's put the

perspective here. They will carry books written by David Duke. But Don Lemon's

book is a no go wow. Yeah, think about that. Well,

but but in fairness, it's not like you can't write the things he says

in the things he has promoted and talk like that. M I don't know.

I think I think CNN at that point, I think if nothing else

would have happened, if even if the Nikki Hayley thing wouldn't have happened and

he did that, they probably would have been like, Don, this is

a But the behind the scenes stuff of that is they had politicians saying we're

not coming on the morning show anymore after that? Oh is that true?

See I didn't know that. I didn't catch that. Is that? Yes,

there were politicians that were saying, we're we're not. No. Oh,

that's that's interesting because if if if that's if that's true because cable news,

well and corporate media in general, big media is all about access,

and um, that's uh. I don't I'm sure you don't. Obviously you're

not a fan of his politics. I don't know how you feel about him

beyond that. But jenk Huger, Uh, I don't know if you've ever

heard his story about when he left MSNBC after not being there for very long.

Because Phil Griffin, who I think might still be in charge there at

MSNBC, he was at the time. He told Jenk, Um, you

know you're you're attacking democrats too much. You need to only attack Republicans.

Because you're attacking democrats. We're we're starting to hear from from some people in

Washington that aren't happy with you, And Jenk is going, what do you

mean? This is? Uh? Why why shouldn't I attack anybody who I

think is doing something wrong on on my show? And Phil Griffin told them

because now they're not wanting to come on, they're not wanting to come on

MSNBC because you're attacking democrats. You know, you're you're affecting our access.

Uh, And it's it's and that's the thing. It's all about access.

It's all about access, and it's all about optics. And you know,

Don Lennon, really if that is the case, again, we go back

to the point I made when I first called in mid We're coming up to

primary season, We're coming up to twenty twenty four elections. If there's politicians

that aren't going to want to come on air, these nominees or these candidates

seeking a nominee are going to want They're going to want endorsements. In the

worst way to get those indoors Smiths is to do something that the people you

want the endorsement from doesn't like. And so yeah, I think CNN made

this move towards the future. Yeah, they were just like, Okay,

well we really really have to consider what is happening here. And so I

think there was a lot of things. Um, I if Don Lemon wants

to blame someone for him being fired from CNN, don Lemon should look in

the mirror because it's all Don Lemon. Same with Tucker Carlson. Yes,

it was shocking to see both of them. Let go Yeah, but was

it? Were you really just like man for no reason whatsoever? Actually,

you know, you know, as you were talking to it occurs to me

it was probably a lot easier for CNN to get rid of Don Lemon then

for Fox to get rid of Tucker, just from a business standpoint, because

Tucker Carlson, like like we were saying, you know, the the biggest

name in all of cable news in terms of ratings. Whereas Don Lemon was

he was he still worth that big contract that he had at this point.

You know, they took him off primetime, they put him on the Morning

Show. I don't know what their ratings were like, but they took him

off a primetime. When they took him off primetime, my understanding is that

the deal was completely renegotiated. Oh I didn't know that, Okay, that

the deal was great, heavily amended. The ratings were all for CNN show.

Well that's the thing. If the ratings are bad, then he's not

worth anything. So that's so from a business standpoint, like for Fox to

cut Tucker loose probably really well, we know it hurt, look at what

happened to the stock um. But for but for CNN, to get rid

of Don Lemon. From a business standpoint, if the ratings were bad,

then you know, probably no big deal. Yeah, let's just yeah,

let's just cut him loose. He's more trouble in he's worth you know.

Yep, I agree with that. I think the Don Lemon's story has been

written. It's over, it's done. On the other hand, I think

we're going to find out a lot more on the Tucker Carlson side of thing.

Oh yeah. I really think when these two lawsuits, when the evidence

comes out, we're gonna be like, oh boy. I don't think it's

gonna be up at the level of Roger Ailes because nothing is going to touch

that was a train wreck. Yes, yes, yeah, there's quite a

few people who've been pushed out the door it fox over the years. Um.

I don't think it will be nowhere near Roger Ailes. But I think

what will be like is uh huh, okay, well that was justified m

hey By. Yeah, go ahead, Oh no, go ahead, man.

Well, I just before we run out of time because it's already approaching

the top of the hour, but I just wanted to ask you quickly any

thoughts on the latest twist and Stephen Crowder versus Candice Owens. This thing has

gotten pretty wild. He's he's he's publicly accusing her of extortion and now she's

publicly threatening to sue him for defamation for accusing her of extortion, and uh,

it's it's just a lot of fun to watch this particular drama. You

know what, here's what I will say. You know who I feel bad

for who in this situation. The judge that has to sort this out if

it gets that far, because he's going to be like what like it like

it goes two. This is the equivalent of I know you are, but

what am I? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it's it's just incredible you

have a case. And by the way, for anyone who doesn't know what

we're talking about, obviously everyone knows Don Lemon and Tucker Carlson because they you

know, big media, corporate media. Everyone knows them, h Stephen Crowder,

Candis Owens, more online media personalities. But I would just say to

anyone if you don't know what we're talking about, please uh just go on

YouTube again, not right now, wait till after the show. Just go

on YouTube and type and Stephen Crowder, Candas Owens and hit search. I

promise you you will be entertained. This stuff is crazy. And uh,

although I will just say this, I so it turns out what I guess

what can to Owens was hinting about about Stephen Crowder going through a hard time,

and she may or may not say more. Uh, it turns out

it has to do with his divorce. I thought it was something else.

I thought, you know, maybe uh, well, you know, maybe

he was hiding. Uh he was hiding something because the way she hinted at

it. You know, I thought maybe it had something to do with his

sexuality. But apparently it's it's all about his divorce, and uh, you

know, a big deal. I mean, people get divorced. But I

guess she thought that, you know, it would be very embarrassing, never

coming to conservative divorce mat Well, yeah, I get oh and apparently in

Texas it's very easy to get a divorce, much to Stephen Crowder's chagrin.

Uh, but it's this is uh what legal aspect isn't easy in Texas life?

Yeah, I guess, I guess, well in some in some states,

but Texas is a very conservative state, and some concervative states they try

to make getting a divorce. I mean I used to be when I was

a co host on Rock Paper, hand Grenades, which was a conservative show.

I was kind of the fly in the ointment there. But Gary Hopper

god rest is Sole, he passed away not long ago. He was the

host, but he was actually trying to make it harder to get a divorce

in New Hampshire. He wanted to make it make it more difficult because he

thought people took divorce too lightly. And there are states where they do make

it more difficult than in Texas. But apparently in Texas it's very easy.

In Iowa, unless you both unless both member, both people find a document

saying that it will not help, you have to go through couple's counseling before

it'll be granted. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Apparently it's like that in

a number of states. They give you some hoops to jump through, and

apparently in Texas that is not the case. So of course even prouder.

Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, world's smallest violin let me tell yeah yeah,

yeah, literally, editting here and your boy, your tears, your

boy boy, your boy Dan Bongino. Do you know why he's out any

news on that? No? What I'm thinking. What I'm thinking if is

that his contract was up for renegotiation. Yeah, and he It's probably something

as simple as Dan thought he was worth more than what he was worth.

Yeah, and they just couldn't come to an agreement. He'll be fine.

He can do a show on Rumble and he'll He'll probably have millions of viewers.

It won't matter, um, I mean, or maybe Glenn Beck will

write a masterful crying please for him to join the play yes, like he

did for Tucker. Yeah, yeah, that's yeah. Id you read that?

Oh yeah, oh yeah, I've read that several times and I'm just

like, wow, there are so many like psychological games being played with that

statement. There's martyrdom, oh yeah, there's there's victimization, there's gas lighting.

Yeah, I know. Any reputable therapist would have a field day with

that three paragraph post. Yes, yes, I agree. It's like,

are you kidding me? I know that's good stuff. Now maybe he'll end

up there, who knows. Eric, we gotta let you go. I've

enjoyed this tremendously, as we always do, and looking forward to Friday's film

review. I gotta get to uh, I gotta get to this segment,

but we've got a musical guest skyping in shortly. But thank you, my

friend. This is This has been wonderful as always. That's a great discussion

and I always enjoy media drama. Yes, yes, yes, it's the

gift that always gives. All right, Eric Pilcher, thank you so much

and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you, all right, you got

it, Bye bye. All right. Thought is Eric Pilcher from Cedar Rapids,

Iowa. And of course he does the classic film review for us every

Friday, and we love that. But we got to get to a quick

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here we go, all right, pull that up there, Jordan, is

that you yes? Can hear me? Yes? Yes, you sound great.

Welcome to the program. Thanks, thank you, thank you for having

me man. I appreciate it absolutely absolutely. By the way, we've got

a couple other people in studio with us too. Texas Mike is here at

the news desk. Hello, Mikey. Yeah, yeah, tex Texas,

you've got you've got a fellow Texan here, Jordan. Great, great,

that's awesome, and it's going to be in the company of other Texas folks.

Absolutely absolutely, and Miriam banishes here too. Hello, Miriam and Miriam,

do me a favor. Can you use that other Mike? You can

pull that over yeah that uh that Mike you're in front of sounds U sounds

a little funky so yeah. But uh so Jordan, welcome. We just

played Scars from Becoming Human and and um, this is um. Now this

is your band, but it's really not a it's not a band, right

you do everything on the tracks, that's correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, it's UM, it's just uh just me and it's an entirely

solo project. Okay, okay, Um do you do you play all the

instruments? Uh? Like do you are you also a drummer or is it

electronic drums or how does that work? What's the process? Like? Yeah?

Uh so, Um, the drums are so I compose everything like in

other music programs. Um. The drums are samples. They're like the best

drum samples I think in the world. Yeah, uh so I use those

and uh but the guitar and bass is me. The vocals are all me.

Uh yeah. The only thing that I don't have is a I used

to play drums in high school, so I kind of have that understanding of

how to you know, lay out a um a drum track and stuff like

that. But um yeah, yeah, it's for the most part told me,

I'm always impressed when, uh, when I I talked to artists who

who do the uh you know, when they're not live drums, but they're

uh you know us samples and it's it sounds so it sounds so good.

It sounds you know, it sounds like live acoustic drums. So I'm always

impressive to me, Yeah, yeah, it's um. This is something.

I actually took some recording classes a couple of years ago, and I got

to see some guys who are really high level kind of peel back the curtain

as far as uh as like that kind of production goes. And he was

like, you have no idea. You guys have no idea how much most

songs nowadays don't even have a drummer anymore. It's all just programmed drums.

It's like it's it was staggering. They would be like he would be like,

do you think that's real? And I'd be like, yeah, it

sounds really like yeah, it's a it's drum trump track or just just tracked.

I was like, wow, that's pretty cool. So that's kind of

made me kind of because I used to be against that, like heavily when

I was like years ago. I always wanted to be live drummer and stuff,

but now I'm just like, you know what, I'll just I'll just

give it a try and see what happens. And I like it. Yeah,

yeah, no, it sounds great. And where do you record?

Do you just? Do you record at home? Do you do it all

yourself or have a producer that you work with or how does that work?

Yeah? I do it all. It's just in my apartment and in Austin,

Texas, and I don't currently work with a producer at the moment.

My I do like to try to get like input from everybody when I'm writing

these songs, because you know, sometimes I think what a producer can do

and kind of keep your ego out of the way a little bit of your

writing because you're like, oh, I want to do something that impresses nobody

but me other musicians, and sometimes you got to have that person be like,

hey, that doesn't make any sense or like that doesn't sound that good.

I just do it, like, you know, simplify it a little

bit. That's kind of but my process as far as that goes. Yeah,

Now, have you always done this on your own or have you ever

been in a band. No, yeah, no, this is my first

time doing it on my own. It's uh. I was so I was

in a band called a Vintage Year for a long time. We uh we

started. I'm originally from Rochester, New York. Oh okay, so we

started there, uh and it was me and it was basically like my friends

from childhood and a guy who was a singer we met. He was from

Texas originally, and so I was just a guitar player and he We had

a singer and a bass player. Kind we were kind of like, let's

let's try like doing like a stone temple pilots or like a puddle of mud

type thing, you know, like four piece rock quartet. And yeah,

we did that for years and we we split up, and I was like,

man, like this kind of sucks, you know, because I wasn't

a singer. I didn't consider myself to be one at the time at least,

but I really wanted to keep doing music. But I also didn't want,

like, you know, a really prominent member of the band to be

the reason why, like I'm starting all over again. So yeah, yeah,

this is my first So now I just went to I was like,

you know what I'm just gonna do this my own project by my self.

Um, but uh and see if that works out. And so far as

it's pretty good. It is a lot of work, though, I'm like

trying to balance that with my you know, I'm also an executive chef at

a hotel, so I'm also trying to balance wearing wearing a lot of different

heads. Oh yeah, Is that is that hard scheduling wise, because it

seems like executive chefs usually work. Uh yeah, that's not a forty hour

a week gig, right you're here. There are a lot more than that,

I would imagine. Yeah, it's all around the clock. Sometimes I

am there like at nighttime. Sometimes I get calls at like four am,

like because there's a breakfast shift. Uh so, yeah, that's a it's

a kind of like like you said, it's it's not easy for like scheduling

wise and stuff like that. How did you end up in Texas? So

did did you move there with the the other musician you were working with?

Oh? Okay, yeah, I moved there with a vintage year Um.

We were my singers, my old singers from Houston originally. So we met

him in Rochester because his wife was originally from Rochester. Oh okay, that's

how we That's how we connected. And and I remember so you know Rochester

winters get get they're they're really snowy. It's like that part of like it's

like Lake Ontario, Lake Erie, you know, we get bombarded with snow

every single year. And um, I asked my old singer, I'm like,

hey, what is Texas like, is that a cool place to like

be a musician? And he's like, uh, yeah, yeah, it's

it's it's nice and uh the weather's better. So um that's kind of that

was like the main driving force was And we also were like, you know,

Rochester is a is a cool music city, but we wanted to see

if maybe like a bigger market would make a difference. Uh yeah, which

did. It definitely didn't. But yeah, yeah, no doubt. We're

in Texas. Are you Are you in Austin. I'm in Austin. It

is Austin, Okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah. We've had a lot

of We've had a lot of musicians on the show from Texas, and it

does seem like it's a pretty pretty vibrant music scene there. Um. Yeah.

Austin is obviously known for music and and we've you know, we we've

also had guests on from the Dallas Fort Worth area recently, and uh yeah,

it seems like there's a lot going on there. Um yeah, how

how was the adjustment when you got there? Um it was different. Yeah,

Like it was like, so one thing I noticed about Austin right off

the bat was it's a lot of cover bands. Oh okay, So we

actually we were like we were we moved here like needing a bass player.

And it was weird because like we'd I would so I would, we would

reach out to a basis to who was interested, and then he'd be like,

oh, like I just want to do covers and we were like that

to me was like really strange because Rochester is kind of an artist, artsy

like scene. Yeah. So there's a lot of original music there. I

mean, it's not all good, but it's it's a lot of original stuff.

Sure, So that was kind of a big adjustment that I mean,

And that's probably one of the main driving forces behind me, Like Okay,

let me just like have like like if I'm in control of all of it,

like you know, it's good if it's If it fails, it's my

fault. You know, like, yeah, so it's it was. It

was that So that was kind of like the biggest adjustment was uh was the

was like band members finding musicians and stuff like that. They are there,

they do exist. It's just diff like going about finding a musician for your

original band is a little bit different. Yeah. So when that, when

that band ended the Vintage Year, what did did you? Did you make

a You had to make a decision, right, so obviously you decided to

say did you consider coming back back up to New York or after that?

Or no? No? Um, I no, I still thought, like

I was like, you know what, like I think there's a lot here

that I haven't tapped into quite yet. Yeah. Uh so, and I

was like and I, um, you know, Matt my girlfriend, and

she's wonderful. So yeah that that. Yeah, so there's no real reason

for me to like ever go back to New York. Yeah, no,

that makes sense. How long have you been there? How long have you

been in Texas? I moved here in twenty seventeen, like September of twenty

seventeen, so but like yeah, like almost six years, five and a

half years. Okay, okay, you're so you're by now you're used to

the hot summer and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely it's uh,

I actually prefer the hot summer over the wild, snowy winters. I

bet I can imagine, no doubt, no doubt. Um, so you've

got oh by the way, Jenny As, I'm sure you know, and

I'm sure you've seen her comments. She's also become a very big fan.

She loves your sound. Um, thank you. Yes, yes, she's

very nice. She's been very complimentary. Yeah, yeah, yeah you do.

You do have a great sound. Who who are you influenced by us?

As far as uh, your music, I'm mostly like so a lot

of like the nineties like rock, alt rock, and grunge scene is pretty

big for me. Like that's kind of like the thing that it's like most

of my like if you if if you go back, you can find a

lot of like oh yeah that sounds like this or so like Nirvana was like

the first love of music for me, Like that was the kind of like

they were the band that like when I first heard them, they absolutely like

floored me and like this crazy way that made me want to become a musician

and maybe want to like do you know, do the whole music thing.

So they're like number one like Nirvana, like also like the Beatles, Bush

is big one too, and then I like a lot of the like rock

from the early two thousands, like I love Chevelle and like Cold and Lincoln

Park and stuff like that. But yeah, it's mostly like Nirvana. Okay,

okay, um, And so you've got in a couple of minutes,

we're gonna play the new the new single Our World, which is uh,

which is really good, and you did something with this, so yeah,

it's interesting. And I'm sure you hear this from everybody who listens to the

song, and uh, all of our listeners will hear it when I play

it. But so when you start the song, it sounds like uh like

a like it's a bad recording, and then again gradually gets better. Yeah

d yeah yeah yeah, And that's a really cool I've never heard anyone do

that before. That's a really cool effect, like really yeah yeah. Because

when I first listened to it, you know, Jenny played it on the

computer. This sucks. What is this? I was like, did some

did somebody send us their bad demo? It sounds like a you know,

it sounds like an old cassette that's been water damaged. What's going on here?

But then but then it I shouldn't even say gradually, it's pretty quickly

that, you know, the the quality improves and then it's normal. But

that's a really cool effect. That's kind of a trick, like a production

trick. So like they say, like without you know, without quiet,

there's no loud, right, So like I really wanted the low end,

like the bass and the kick to really kind of kick you in the chest

when that first starts. Yeah, So the best way to do that is

to just suck it, like take it away for a second, like take

it away and get the get you list used to hearing it that way,

yeah, and then like letting it just boot you in the chest when it

finally. I sent that. I showed that to one of my buddies too,

when I and always like do that is He's like, that's really cool,

man, And I think I did do a couple like I have a

couple of plugins to make it sound like it's a cassette, like a really

worn down cassette and stuff like that, a little EQ trick and stuff here

and there. But yeah, that was the That was pretty much the idea.

Yeah, no, that's really cool. I love it. I love

it. Thank you. Now, what's your long term trajectory? Are you

going to keep releasing singles or do you have plans for an EP or a

full album or what's the plan? Yeah, so, um, I'm going

to actually I think I'm going to release one more and take a break because

I need to start making more song because like a lot of these songs I've

started a year ago, like over a year ago, and I've been releasing

them and now I'm out of I'm like out of songs. Yeah, so

I gotta go back and write. Uh, And I I you know what,

I think I'll do an EPH full length. I can do since like

since I don't have to really pay for recording or like studio, that kind

of saves a lot of money for uh, like doing stuff like like that,

like doing I can do an album if I want to or you know,

and also, um, merch, I have money for merch and stuff

like to buy merch, which definitely, Uh that's kind of like the that

keeps that kind of keeps the whole thing afloat basically yeah, yeah, absolutely,

um And but by the way, where does the name come from.

Does a name have any special meaning to you becoming human? Yeah, yeah,

for sure. Uh So I always it's funny like I always kind of

felt like, uh, you know, the past, you know, maybe

ten years have been like me becoming human kind of like feeling like I,

you know, I grew up like we you know, I like everybody,

we all struggle. We have like we have our you know, our demons,

and you know, our past traumas and stuff like that, and you

don't realize when you as like what you do, what you're doing damages you

and maybe the other people around you, and you kind of don't really start

to realize that until you're older and it starts affecting like your professional life and

your uh maybe your personal relationships and stuff like that. So becoming human is

kind of like the healing process of like, okay, like I want to

I know, I don't want to be like I'm a honster anymore, basically

like I want to be like a human, which basically like all the subject

matter of my songs or about like mental health and and stuff like that.

Yeah. Yeah, I like that. I definitely get that vibe from it.

By the way, our friend Melanie Liberty. In the chat room,

she was saying, you know you you were talking about your girlfriend earlier and

your relationship and uh, she said in the chat I bet his girlfriend is

sitting right next to him. Tell him to blink if he needs help.

Yeah, she's got the gun right in my rib case right now. Well,

they don't fall around and affects us up. Oh no, you can

go. Yeah. They got like stores you walk like like like it's like

a store called Academy where it's like dicks. It's basically, oh god,

just all wall guns. It's pretty cool, right, Oh okay, yes,

if you're like yeah, if you're into that, it's pretty sick.

But yeah, right right, Um, very good, And uh, is

there anything else you want to tell us about what? We'll let you go

in a minute, Jordan, and we're gonna play this track our World,

which is, like I said, really good. Um, but is there

anything else you want us to know about about this song specifically? Um?

Actually I did want to say that I actually haven't released this yet. You

guys are premiering it, which is funny. It's actually coming on. Um,

so so I'm I'm I'm literally like right now, I'm working on like

a lyric video to to like because I'm like trying to you know, because

I'm really busy, so I'm trying to cram all this in. But yeah,

it's premiering right now. Um our world is kind of like the whole

idea is basically like uh um you know, uh are if you if you

really want something, you can you can get it, like you can get

up and go out and take it if that And that's basically the whole point

of the song. Yeah, yeah, very cool, very cool. And

so this is a world radio premiere. We love that. That's awesome.

Yeah, yeah, no, thank thank you truly and sure and uh one

other thing too. Of course, we want to make sure before you go

that everyone knows where to find you, where to keep up with everything that

you're doing in terms of music online. What should people know? Yeah,

if so, I'm working on a website right now, Okay, which is

it should be becoming Human ATX dot com. It's not up yet, but

I'm getting there. But everywhere else, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok. Becoming

Human at X you can find me. You can find me there and on

there you'll be able to find links to to Merge stores I have a shirt

for sale. It's pretty kind of a it's got cute little monster guy on

it says becoming Human Austin, Texas. Uh yeah, okay, and that's

that's pretty much it. Yeah, outstanding, outstanding, Jordan. Thank you

so much for joining us today. We're gonna let you go and we're gonna

get to the world radio premiere of Our World from Becoming Human. Yeah.

Absolutely, but we'll do this again as as you release new music, we'd

love to have you back on to talk about it. So yeah, that'd

be great. Absolutely. No, Jenny and I are Jenny and I are

fans, and yes, thank you for joining us today, my friend,

and we'll talk soon. Thank you very much. You guys, have a

good day. You two bye bye. All right. That was Jordan from

Becoming Human. We're gonna listen to this. This is the world radio premiere

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is Matt Connerton Unleashed, and we are live from these studios of wm n

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cruise into our final segment today of course, also on Comcast ninety seven if

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for all of your live streaming options, social media links, contact info,

show archives, etcetera, etcetera. Today is Wednesday, April twenty six,

twenty twenty three, and I have some Luminari. He's in studio here.

If you're gonna play in Texas, you gotta have a fiddle in the band.

That league guitar is hot but not far Louisiana man so rolls enough that

both in Love and Man's old dands. If you're gonna playing in Texas,

you gotta have a fiddle in the band. Yeehaw, Texas Mike is here.

Heha, yeehah, Texas Mike. Welcome sir, thank you. And

that's not all bringing rocks and up. She's just like wrestling. Everyone has

entrance music. John Hopwood is here. Oh, oh wow, you sound

like you're from Texas. I was stationed in Texas, and I lived in

Texas enough to know the states. Subs oh, not a fan of Texas.

Careful now, Texas. Mike brought his brandy and iron the first place

I ever saw that drive through liquor store. There's something to be said to

Texical certainly, yes, yes, and the women were cool too. They

were very aggressive. Uh huh, who wants to date of milks off?

You know? Although holidays, I'd take any time. Oh my goodness,

well even a chet but all right, yes, and joining us in the

corner, hanging out with the giant cardboard Peter Whitehead. Miriam banishes here.

Hi, Miriam doesn't have entrance music yet because she's uh, it's probably only

what your third, third time, the fourth time on the short time.

Yeah. Were you on mister Hopwood's television program earlier? Yes? And why

why do you answer that hesitantly? Are you afraid that there's something incriminating?

Uh? No, I think I just forgot that you were talking to me.

That's okay, a little clueless, you know, well, you know,

don't do this radio TV stuff, right right, it's a little uh

yes. By the way, Melanie law Liberty from the Great State of Vermont

says in the chat room, Hey, Miriam Banish, can you show a

Hopwood something shiny? When he tries to make a point. The distraction works

every time, you know, I I never liked you, Melanie. Oh

that's not true. It is not true. We have we we agreed the

feud. Oh oh, you're feuding. No, I don't mean to Oh

okay. It's always better to tell the person you're gonna feud with them,

Yes, of course, yes, um, yeah, I was thinking of

you John. Actually so uh no, not that way. Don't get excited.

No, but uh well you have a chat. But girlfriend, now

we're gonna now John and I are going to be feuding. Well, actually

we did feud many years ago, and there was a tacit agreement. I

just assumed you think it was funny and you did. No. Um.

By the way, Melanie says, you love me, Such a liar,

Melanie, You're voted for you, but I want to takeot You're not feuding

Melanie please, no, uh, you have to feud. No I thought

of you because so. I don't know if you're familiar with Stephen Crowder online

conservative media personality. No I'm not. But he had a bitter breakup with

one of his co hosts, Dave Landau. And apparently when Dave Landau was

on the show with Stephen Crowder, which uh is now on rumble Um,

they had in studio they had a light up sign that sometimes when Stephen Crowder

was was ranting and he didn't want to be interrupted, he would push this

button and the sign would light up over Dave Lando's head. Dave Landhou's head,

this head, don't talk, Dave and I apparently land Out felt very

insulted by this. But the only thing the way you can get me not

to talk is to not talk yourself. Right, Yes, that is true.

That is true. It's an interesting phenomenon on the show. If I

ever have a technical issue that I'm trying to solve in John's here, so

I'm distracted, I need him to talk, he clams right up. Well,

I'm like a beaver. Beavers go to the sound of water and use

their tails to pack mud. Huh. So when I hear a voice,

I start packing mud. Oh, well, we don't tell. Okay,

that's definitely a discussion for the other show. Uh, let's see. Uh.

And so what did you do on your television show today? And it

is it? Is it still w p YP or is it worth thirteen?

We reward thirteen with John Hopwood today. Next week it's gonna be just w

PYP presents camp ended it today, but their local municipal candidates, so we

won't mention them. Right, Well, well, what did you do today?

Mikey and Miriam? I assume we're both out on to explain. We

had a serious discussion about special needs and special education and how how sometimes the

system sucks for people. Or Mariam talked about being a para professional and what

that means, and tell us what that means, please. Para professional is

somebody who helps a student, uh, in the classroom or it could be

in in a separate room to access the curriculum. It's a thing that it

comes through the i EP and i EP is an individual education program, individualized

education program, and it's a legal document and in that document, um it

might say one on one para for this number of days or this number of

hours, or it might say shared para for this number of days, and

so then they hire para professionals to fill those positions. And it's actually a

federal law that they need to have. Yes, okay, person, it's

a federal right for disabled students. Oh okay, very good. And then

we talked about autism too, oh okay. And I didn't realize that affected

boys far graded degree than girls, but Miriam, you told us why,

Well, it's it's it's a little bit different in girls. So it's I

think it's harder for it to be diagnosed in girls, and so I think

it might actually be that it will balance out once we get the hang of

diagnosing it. But so you think there may be more There may be more

girls with autism than we know about, just because they're not harder to diagnose.

It's why do you think it's harder to diagnose in girls? Any any

theory, any idea? Yeah, Um, there has been a theory that

somehow, um girls they're hanging out with other girls and the other girls have

tendency to kind of help them more than maybe when boys have it. I

don't know that's a there, that's just a theory. That I read somewhere

and I don't even remember where now. But I think that it's maybe partly

I don't know what it is socialization. Maybe I don't know. I don't

know how it's different or why it's different. I mean, my observation is

that it doesn't seem to be that different. I just my understanding is that

the reason that it's diagnosed in girls less often than in boys may have something

to do with it. It just appears different in girls. It in the

beginning. Okay, autism there's a lot of unknowns. There's a lot of

misunderstandings about it too, right, I mean, yeah, there's and it

can have there's so many differences. It's you've seen one. If you see

a kid with autism, you've seen one kid with autism. There's so many

ways that the kids differ. Um. But autism usually has certain features that

all, um make up the diagnosis. So there will be communication difficulties,

Um, maybe sensory processing difficulties, language, language delays. Yeah, yeah,

Um, you haven't a communication lage, not lately. No, No,

I should have, you know, I should have a book out to

read all of the different features of autism. But I think a lot of

times, Um, parents will notice a child isn't talking when they would expect

them to talk. Yeah, Um, and maybe they don't interact, maybe

they don't make eye contact, or they're doing repetitive behaviors. Those are kind

of early indicators that a child might have autism. I was gonna say,

I've always heard that one of the first clues very early that's easy to spot

is when you have a child who uh, you know, they get to

that age where they start talking, where they start interacting verbally, you know,

not saying words obviously, but just vocalizing and that. So if you

have a child who's just not doing that for whatever reason, that's that's usually

a pretty good clue that there may be at maybe something going on. Yeah,

it's hard to tell. I mean, um, my son is on

the autism spectrum. But he was very, very verbal, but he didn't

use language to communicate. When he was really little, he would talk about

the birds in the trees, Oh there's birdies in the trees, you know,

or do you hear that Twain in this kind of sing songy voice.

But he couldn't ask for a glass of water, so he would have a

tantrum because he needed a drink of water. Interesting, So but that's just

him. You know, another kid would show it in a completely different way.

Uh, Melanie, And the chat room says, so happy you guys

are talking about Miriam. How do you feel about ABA based supports? Oh

boy? And you'll you'll have to if you can give us a cliff notes

explanation of what that is, because I have no idea what that. ABA

is Applied behavioral analysis and uh, there are a lot of people right now.

It's it's very controversial. Um. There have been people who have grown

up having had applied behavioral analysis used with them and it um traumatized them.

Really, so somebody is, uh, oh boy, so first I've heard

of it? Right, it's UM first I've heard of With our show,

I've learned a lot. Right. It comes from this is going to go

into a big psychology thing, but it comes from um BF skinner conditioning conditioning,

right, So there, it's it's a UM It's a type of conditioning

where your airing UM stimulus in a response. Right, you want you want

you want to increase the behavior, so you have a UM reinforcer and you

have to study in advance. What's a thing that might be likely to increase

the behavior. It isn't a reward system. It's a what is going to

increase the behavior? Often it may look like a reward um and uh.

And it is used um, and it is used at the school. I

feel like it can be used responsibly. But a lot of people don't want

to hear that for me, so I'm very careful not to. Yeah,

you know, it's it's a little scary. I've been in big trouble with

people for having even mentioned applied behavioral analysis, right because it gives you the

clockwork orange and the Ludvico technique, right, which is which that's a completely

different thing altogether. But you don't think about conditioning behavior right, right,

And but it just it touches on people's fears. I think so well,

but there are people, I think who may have been traumatized. I've seen

it used badly, you know, and I think that there are maybe ways

to do it humanely. But right now, it's it's just too hot and

controversial. Um. Does that include like the behavior where they with the lights

going into your eyes? No different, this is some more like Um,

okay, so you want to target a particular behavior. So what would be

a behavior that head rolling? M isn't head rolling something an autism or is

that? Oh yeah, but they don't. They're they're really sort of stepping

away from UM. They they're not um, they're not trying to get kids

to stop doing the stem things that they do, right. They flap their

hands, they roll their heads, whatever they do. Those kinds of things

are um really helpful to kids with autism because um, it's they're dealing with

sensory okay, but things that are much more sort of practical, Like I'm

trying to think what would be a good example of it biting. You definitely

want to not have a kid biting, right, so you know, how

can you you want to come up with a maybe at a different behavior that

you want them to do instead of biting. You know, and a lot

of them will have, um, if they are nonverbal, they'll have communication

devices, so you might want to encourage them to use their communication device and

uh so you'd pair it with something you know that would maybe make them feel

good. We don't really do that, by the way, Melanie says in

the chat, I agree with you. It's a tool available, but right

now it seems like that is a go to therapy in schools right now.

And part of that is because there's there's evidence. It's sort of evidence based,

it's um empirical, yeah, you know, And so I think it's

because there's science behind it. It's just that when it's been used sometimes it

really is used in I think bad ways. Hopefully that's if you're using it

at a university with PhDs and stuff. When it trickles down to some school

district, the people that might not be as conversant in the techniques or as

well as trained or have the sup financial and the resources to make it work.

Um I did. I did have course work in applied behavioral analysis.

But what I did was we worked with rats and we also made a program

for ourselves. We want you know, like for me personally, it was

how do I increase my house cleaning behavior? And so I said, maybe

if my husband would rub my feet, then I would you know, like,

if I do this behavior and I get my feet rubbed, maybe that

would make me, you know, do more housework. So I actually set

up a whole program for myself where we did this and yes, indeed I

did do more housework. So, um, you know, instead of working

with human beings. So we worked with rats. They're not even doing work

with rats now. Usually people are encouraged to find a friend who has a

pet or you use your pet um for you know, just to learn how

to do the technique. And so with a rat, you're trying to get

the rat to press a lever. It's boring. But if they press the

lever, the sure, you know, they get some food. Yeah,

you know, that's that's kind of the whole thing that I did a really

long time ago. Six zo three two five six seven is a studio line

if you'd like to chime in on anything. Six three two five zo six

seven. Melanie says in the chat evidence based, Hey, if you hold

me down for an hour, I might take I might take off my jacket

when expected. I'm using a worst case scenario, but it is also a

real life example. Oh I don't know that real life example, but hopefully,

I mean, nobody's using negative, nobody's nobody should be using anything negative

in these situations. Yeah, So if you take your card off and then

you get to listen to some music that you like, you know, that

would be kind of an example of every single time you do this behavior,

you get that piece of music that you really like. That's kind of more.

It's almost like being Newlywoods. But we won't go into that. Oh

dear, that might that might be for the other show. Yeah, Matt

Connerton unsheathed, of course. Um there's a YouTuber I like. His name

is Vosh, and I don't agree with him politically necessarily on a lot of

things, but I just find him interesting. And he had posted a video

it was something like titled something like what is masking? And why I refuse

to do it? Or why I don't do it? And when I saw

the title of video, you know, because we live in a time where

you know, I hear masking, I I think we'll wait a minute.

He's not an anti masker. He takes COVID very seriously. What does he

talk about? So I play the video and it turns out and he explains

what masking is. And I didn't know that Vosh was autistic. I would

not have guessed that from his h from his videos where you know, he

discussed his politics and current events and whatnot. But um, but yeah,

he talks about the way he explains it is masking is when you when you're

autistic, but you try to mask your autism by behaving in ways that you

think you are expected to behave you're you're not sure of supressing whatever it is.

Yeah, Yeah, try trying to fit in, which I guess you

know people do anyway in a broader sense, but from the point of someone

who's autism, it's it's trying to actually hide the autism and fit in in

a way that you think that you're expected to so that maybe people won't know

that you're autistic, or maybe they'll just accept you more even knowing that you're

autistic, or you know, I can't explain it is eloquently, but yeah,

I know exactly what you're talking about, and I'm hoping we're kind of

getting away from having people having to do that. Yeah, you know,

because really we don't want to encourage people to just be themselves as long as

they're not you know, hitting and biting and you know, right, yeah,

running down the train tracks or something. Yeah, which mostly isn't you

know, a thing, but right, um, yeah, he but it's

interesting because it's in a sense he talks about how he refuses to do it.

But then I kind of wonder though, well, maybe that's easy for

him to say because he's not someone who I would have suspected was autistic to

begin with. So, because there's can you talk about that, that's something

that's interesting to me. There's a there's a spectrum, right it is,

So there's an autism spectrum. So can you talk about that a little bit

because it's something I've always been curious about. Yes, So there's just different

ways that it presents. Some people are not inferible. Some people, um

move around a lot. They may do repetitive behaviors, flap hands, or

they may vocalize, they may do a lot, make a lot of noise.

Yeah, um and so. And then there's people who they may have

trouble initiating conversation or they may only talk about like whatever special interests they have,

and it won't be as obvious. You'll just say, well, that's

a person that's you know, a little bit different, but you might not

know that it's autism. Yeah, they're shy, they might be shy,

or they just might be a little different, you know. I mean,

when I was a kid, it was this is a horrible thing to say,

but when I was a kid, we didn't have the same diagnoses,

and it would be just like, that's that weird kid. Yeah. Yeah,

they're worse than words than that. Yeah, um, you know and

um. Thinking back a lot, I think about people that I grew up

within, UM, and I think I wonder if that person was on the

spectrum. I wonder if that person but it's very subtle with um with some

people, and then very much not as subtle with other people. But then

I wonder with someone with whom it's very subtle, how do you how do

you determine, uh, determined that they're autistic on one hand, and how

to treat them on the other? Well, how do you Well, actually

I was thinking more how do you determine that they're autistic and not just different?

I mean, because if there's a difference between being autistic and just being

different, like what like if there's a difference between being autistic but but also

being a little bit socially awkward, how do you determine if someone's autistic or

they're just socially awkward. In the nineties, there was all this speculation about

people like Michelangelo and other artists right being autistic, because you know, a

person like a Beethoven just take going to squirrel themselves away and then with the

piano right right are. Beethoven was notoriously anti social, like he'd be in

a principality and the prince would come by and he just put his arm you

know, everybody's bowing, and he crossed his arms and he walked right in

front of him. You know. He's famous for that type of activity.

Yeah, he's he's a person like artists, and visual artist is different than

a writer. I think from my I lived with a painter once and she

had a completely different consciousness. I'd put it away. But you exist in

your head in a way, and you exist in a cocoon in a way,

or else you aren't going to be able to create your art, right.

Yeah, So there was all this speculation, you know, well everybody

likes to have all, you know, speculated about who was this? Yeah,

yeah, but um, you know they're um early on their signs,

and then people will, you know, the parents will take the kids for

evaluations. There's um a manual called the SMUM I think it's M five now,

and so it has all of the features of autism in there, and

the doctors know those and use those, and there's the building evaluations and of

course, right and m you know so, and there's benefit of getting the

diagnosis. Um, that's what we're talking about, the ear better. And

I mean, if you get a diagnosis and it turns out that it's incorrect,

you get early intervention and it doesn't do any harm to do some early

interview, like to get them going to school and having some help and you

know, and then you can kind of further evaluate as you go along.

Uh So it's so you know, it's going to be up to somebody who

um has the skill and the qualifications to be able to make the determinations.

So I mean you can't tell by looking at somebody. Yeah, yeah,

of course, of course. Yeah. Uh like yeah, yeddie, you

know, well we're all the same eyeball, just eyeball the eyeball. Right,

right, yes, well we are. We are almost out of time.

Gosh, we took up all this time. No, that's okay,

though, well these these I hope I said everything right though it's a little

scary. Sure is the thing I do for a job, and I'm not

really qualified to sort of make diagnoses or anything like that, and nobody you

explain hopefully I educated anyway. No, it's It's a subject I've always been

interested in. So this was kind of a spontaneous discussion, but I'm glad

that it happened. And uh, and I would encourage you obviously, you

spend some time on this too, on John's show, so i'd encourage people

to You're always bashful about plugging your show, but I think you should plug

your show so that people it'll be plug or Mikey can plug it. But

if people are interested in the subject, they should check out your show.

This week word thirteen. It was worth thirteen this week? Right? What

footeen? With John Hopwood on YouTube on IPM nation. If you want to

have them send you a Yeah, Brendan stopped sending me the shows a long

time ago. I'm not sure why. Okay, So I'll be on John

Hopwood post channel. We'll get a copy to IPM nation. Yeah, plan

on doing more shows than the future. Yeah. Good, it's a good

subject. Yeah, absolutely. Just a quick question in the Facebook live chat,

Rick Smith is asking do people with autism have a shorter lifespan? I've

never heard that. No, okay, so yeah, yeah, and Melanie

says, love you Miriam, I love you back. Absolutely very good.

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He didn't even mention it to me. Wow, yeah, so it's natural

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John, We're capitalists. I'm an olde, I know, although I do.

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Oh and quickly too. Tomorrow on the show we have an in studio

musical guest. Peter Pappas will be joining us. And apparently, uh,

Peter Pappas, I found out from Peter White was Peter White's biology teacher in

high school and used to be in the band Headshop with don Te Tibbots.

So h, so I feel like, does he work at the Puritan related

to I don't think? I think I think a different spelling of the last

name. How can you spell Pappas different ways? The Appas doesn't Chris Pappas

speller with one P or is a two two three pas three pas. It's

like, oh you two tuds. It seems like a common name around here,

lots of papiss. Of course it is, but because it's Papa backlis.

Oh, and then it got changed dyslexia. I could probably pronounce the

word. Oh yeah, next time we'll talk about dyslexia. Can we talk

about yes? Okay, very good. I can see the chat my song

chat Bought Dogs going nowhere unless Mariam you come in. You'll you'll sing it

with me. Yea. By the way, Jay fat in the chat room,

says Pappas. Mister Pappas was his biology teacher as well, and Jenny,

and he also makes a hell of a chicken finger. Here you go.

All right, we gotta go. Talking to y'all a little bit later.

By everybody, Happy pretze all day.

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